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[SPEAKER_01]: Welcome back to Open the Voicegate for July 14th, 2026.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's a whole pile of Mike Spears alongside your other host, Case Low and Case.
[SPEAKER_01]: We have a couple of topics we want to get to really quickly before we spend the vast majority of this episode previewing the big show happening on the 20th.
[SPEAKER_01]: It is Kobe Pro Wrestling Festival time here, and we're six days out, buddy.
[SPEAKER_01]: How are you?
[SPEAKER_01]: No, no, not at all.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's not what I have this year.
[SPEAKER_00]: If I have a fever, it's an illness.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's Kobe World fever, and it is a plague on society.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's what it is.
[SPEAKER_00]: We'll talk about this weekend into it just by excitement level and this, you know, for 2026 compared to the last 11 Kobe worlds, it's a fever is an app ward, but again, only in the way that it is weakening my system from within.
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, I was going to do like a fake open, like going like cases time for us to talk about the biggest show of the year.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's right.
[SPEAKER_01]: The Osaka Castle town festival happening in Osaka Castle town for Osaka Pro on the 20th, but I decided I didn't want to do that for art listeners.
[SPEAKER_00]: Now, you know, you, you sort of like to get right into it.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I always like a little bit of a warm-up topic before we start talking about some serious stuff.
[SPEAKER_00]: So I know it's the Kobe World Preview.
[SPEAKER_00]: My guess is it'll be the most listened to show we do this year outside of maybe the Kobe World Review depending on what happens next Monday.
[SPEAKER_00]: Because of course, in a year, we're dragging it is done everything possible to annoy me.
[SPEAKER_00]: Kobe World is on a Monday this year and not on a weekend, which is going to make my life so much more difficult.
[SPEAKER_00]: I have some stuff that I want to talk about wrestling related before we get into Kobe world.
[SPEAKER_00]: I have been meaning to ask you this question for probably about a month now.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think this thing that's been bothering me has been going on for about a month and maybe I'm going to ask you this question and maybe you're going to have a succinct answer and maybe I'm going to be completely out of line with being annoyed by this thing that I continue to say.
[SPEAKER_00]: Who in the world is Brooks Jensen and what what is happening on his Twitter?
[SPEAKER_01]: What is a I know Brooks Jensen is an NXT wrestler and I think he did Noah I think he did Noah That's about it like I have not seen let me pull up this guy's Twitter
[SPEAKER_01]: It seems like he's posting matches he's watching right now.
[SPEAKER_00]: So that's like his whole thing is that, and I also, I don't see Noah on this on this cage match.
[SPEAKER_00]: I see he started wrestling in 2019.
[SPEAKER_01]: Something's Hank and Tank.
[SPEAKER_00]: Sorry, he did, he did Southern Fried Championship wrestling which is the best name for a promotion that I've ever heard.
[SPEAKER_00]: He did some action wrestling.
[SPEAKER_00]: He did a 2020 evolve show.
[SPEAKER_00]: January 5th, 2020, you've all dure died too.
[SPEAKER_00]: I got in mid this one did not come across my radar in real time and looking at the car now.
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't think I'll be firing up my club, but WWE in subscription to give that a watch.
[SPEAKER_00]: So Brooks Jets in just today, let's see what he's done today, three hours ago, 436 PC match.
[SPEAKER_00]: Roderick Strong versus Brian Daniels, and that's the one from Super Cardabona 1, 10 hours ago, 9-11 AM PC match, Roderick Strong versus Kushita, and then it's him retweeting a picture of
[SPEAKER_00]: Brooks Jensen's match of the week and a QR code, which is Brian Danielson versus homicide.
[SPEAKER_00]: Last night, he was watching, out of this was also this morning, fit family versus Roddork's strong from a 2012 ring of honor show that I'm sure only Sean Seedore and I have watched 806 AM he was watching AJ Styles versus Chris Hero from a 2014 ring of honor show that a lot of people watched that was the last time hero worked ring of honor, but it's just it's all this stuff.
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, hell, yeah, sure, sure, tell me if this is unfair, stop me if I'm going too far here, but when an NXT wrestler is doing this, and I haven't seen this man wrestle, but that tells me everything I need to know because I think if he was any good, he would have come across my radar.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm now reading that he's bowl-be-canon son, which is great, love that for him, but
[SPEAKER_00]: If he was any good, I would have heard about him.
[SPEAKER_00]: He has plenty of chances to improve.
[SPEAKER_00]: I want him to be good.
[SPEAKER_00]: I would love for a wrestler to be this big of a nerd and also be a great wrestler.
[SPEAKER_00]: When you work in NXT and you're tweeting about Masato Tanaka versus Shinya Hashimoto Mashits, it comes across like when David Stars gimmick was that he was a leftist on Twitter.
[SPEAKER_00]: It comes across disingenuous.
[SPEAKER_00]: Is that unfair?
[SPEAKER_01]: No, I don't think so.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I mean, the fact that his entire feed is this, and I have to say for an NXT wrestler, his engagements not great for most of these other than like the time he was watching Okiyama versus Nagada.
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, he's not a scantly cloud woman, which is the only thing that appeals to the NXT demographic.
[SPEAKER_00]: So he does have that working against Talma.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: No, that's fair.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's a comment.
[SPEAKER_00]: Not on the women working in XT, but the people that watch it XT.
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, women are allowed to do whatever they want.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'll come to the degree that they do.
[SPEAKER_01]: No, no, no, no.
[SPEAKER_01]: Uh.
[SPEAKER_01]: It just also like in a way, looking at these, it's very much like, oh, he got a list of things to watch.
[SPEAKER_01]: And that's like he's watching with like no variety.
[SPEAKER_00]: And a way, look, I mean, you go down the list.
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, bus story versus Kevin Vaughn, Eric, and the next match is Nigel McGinnis versus the Keshie Moore streamer, guys, guys fixing it up, you know, he's, I want to see some lucha in that.
[SPEAKER_01]: I want to see some, I want to see some.
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't think everybody doing that, but you know, it's like, you know, these are all matches that I like.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yama vs. Hase from the dome.
[SPEAKER_00]: Great match.
[SPEAKER_00]: Pedro Morales vs. Bob board and haven't seen them.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm sure it's a fun watch.
[SPEAKER_00]: Jimmy Ray, okay.
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't like this.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's good.
[SPEAKER_01]: He has Elsa Solitario versus Sumi Fujianami.
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's I enjoy that as a big food genami guy.
[SPEAKER_00]: I very much enjoy that match.
[SPEAKER_00]: I can picture it in my head.
[SPEAKER_00]: I've watched it a few times now, but you know, I want Phil Schneider to be doing this.
[SPEAKER_00]: I want Alan for all to be doing this.
[SPEAKER_00]: I want them to be tweeting about the matches they're watching.
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't, I don't want an NXT wrestler.
[SPEAKER_00]: who, by the fact that I haven't heard of him, maybe cribbing these matches in his own, in his own work, I would assume it's not wrestling like these guys.
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know if I want to hear it from him, but I didn't see people little odd to me.
[SPEAKER_00]: Now, if he was like an AEW dark guy,
[SPEAKER_00]: which I don't that doesn't exist that has a sister for years no no no I mean sadly it has an existence in a long time yeah if he was you know undercard a w collision guy you know sort of in the ace Austin position he was doing this all right and get on board with that but if you're an NXT wrestler to come on stop that that's not for you
[SPEAKER_01]: There's also, like, as I'm scrolling through it, and in case this is an absolutely amazing thing as I'm going through this guy's Twitter account, I love the ones that it's very clearly that he's like pulling up like a YouTube version of it and it has like watermarks on it and it's saying, you know, we got to find a lot of footage where we can find it.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's not that doesn't bother me because I certainly have watched many of these same videos that he's tweeting about right now, that the sky is watching Davy Boy Smith Junior versus Timothy
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, geez, okay, I don't that's dedication.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'll give him that.
[SPEAKER_00]: Look, if I'm off-base and being unfair to Brook Extension, somebody tell me, I'm more than happy for our Kobe World Pro Wrestling Festival 2026 review episode next week, which is coming out a day later than you normally get it.
[SPEAKER_00]: We're recording that next Wednesday.
[SPEAKER_00]: You'll get it early Thursday.
[SPEAKER_00]: If I'm wrong about him and I'm being unfair, please let me know.
[SPEAKER_00]: I would be more than happy to issue an apology, but it's just it's constant.
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't follow this guy in my entire Twitter feed is obviously right-wing hate because that's Twitter, but then it's just Brooks Jensen talking about how he's watching jumbo ceruda versus
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, that also makes me wonder, like, what is the exact, like, a Reggie, a regiment that you're doing in the PC these days?
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know if they've cut back on, had a lot of classes.
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, the other thing that bothered me this week, and I tweeted about this, and it was one of those weird moments where, you know, Dave Meltzer doesn't follow me on Twitter, but occasionally engages with my son.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, that's nice.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it's always terrifying when Dave does that.
[SPEAKER_00]: I love Dave to death.
[SPEAKER_00]: I prefer to communicate with him via email,
[SPEAKER_00]: But the Finn baller quote about, you know, think God Terry Taylor taught me to do that bullshit preserve my career and I would have been able to keep wrestling think like that in New Japan, who's a fuck do you think you are that annoyed me to know and that drove me absolutely insane.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, I mean, like that's a guy who's really like showing himself over like the last decade to be a lot less cool than we really thought he was.
[SPEAKER_00]: It really did strike me and I at the risk of sounding overly dramatic here, but it was a very turn coat statement.
[SPEAKER_00]: There was like, you know, I knew Japan was was amazing to fin for as long as he was there.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, don't you, you know, it's it's an amazing story.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's a great story thinking about the life that this guy has made for himself from where he came from and where European wrestling was out when he broke in to get into the new Japan dojo system to not only get into the dojo, but then to have all of the success that he had.
[SPEAKER_00]: To some degree, I actually think we undervalue it.
[SPEAKER_00]: How he single-handedly changed the course of pro wrestling.
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't think that's unfair to say.
[SPEAKER_00]: No, I think a lot of the bullet club stuff.
[SPEAKER_00]: get attributed to AJ, which is fine and objectively for English-speaking fans, AJ styles leaving the Bullet Club was a bigger deal than Prince Devillating the Bullet Club, but I will say this is somebody that started watching New Japan in the summer of 2013 during the G1 climax.
[SPEAKER_00]: It is hard to explain, and I always mention this with Nakamura too, where it's like if you weren't watching Nakamura in New Japan in real time, it's hard to explain
[SPEAKER_00]: Prince Devitt in 2013, especially when you didn't know who he was and you were trying to learn more about new Japan and you were trying to figure out what the hell the bullet club was and you were trying to learn what the G1 climax was, hard to put into words just how cool Prince Devitt was, but if you don't have Devitt, you don't have the bullet club, you don't have the ring of honor, new Japan, pro wrestling relationship, you don't have
[SPEAKER_00]: Jeff Jarrett saying I'm going to put wrestle kingdom nine on paper viewing.
[SPEAKER_00]: You don't have the stove all that leads to kiddo mega versus Chris Jericho in AEW today and Prince debit being Prince debit is so tremendously responsible for a lot of that in a way where I actually feel like history's been a little unkind to him in that regard.
[SPEAKER_00]: But to say that Terry Taylor showed you how to protect your ball this nonsense, it's just awful.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and it's like there's other ways to say like, well, I have taken more steps in my 40s, you know, to be a lot more, you know, smart about how I'm working.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's what they're doing.
[SPEAKER_00]: Follow me at all.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I think that would be an entirely fair statement, you know, like I think that given like if you are a wrestler in WWE who somehow surviving all of these cuts and you're in your 40s, like I'm no you're not going to I don't expect you to be doing just like just 15 minutes sprint every night like like that makes no sense like to for yourself out of like self preservation but like
[SPEAKER_01]: to lord that Terry Taylor of all people, the person who like consistently as an agent, I feel like first off agent says in pro wrestling is something that I think is pretty antithetical to at least how I like to watch wrestling, but like the person that's like pointed to is like one of the biggest producers in like one of the more toxic people in those kinds of roles
[SPEAKER_01]: it just like blows my mind.
[SPEAKER_01]: So no, I'm with you on that.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I just, I found it for whatever reason.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think I would have the same reaction if, if Kenny Omega gave a quote to that regard, but I don't think Omega would ever do that.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think Omega's probably a little bit upset that American wrestling is not more like Japanese wrestling.
[SPEAKER_00]: I found the debit quote there to be just weirdly upsetting in a way where I would say I'm not, especially
[SPEAKER_00]: What pro wrestlers do with their lives and the opinions they carry is something that doesn't factor into my life in any way, shape or form, but the devoured thing for whatever reason really got under my skin.
[SPEAKER_00]: And maybe part of that was just attributing the quote, or his lifestyle change to Terry Taylor, who, of course, shocking that Terry Taylor found a way to critique a minority in the Japanese wrestling style, no way that Terry Taylor had an issue there.
[SPEAKER_00]: But I don't know the devoured thing really got under my skin.
[SPEAKER_00]: I was really unhappy when I read that.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, no, it's it I feel like that like between that and it's not even worth getting to like the dumb age I think like it is wild like people who At least like a decade ago seem to have got it in the in the difference in Japanese progress like progress with the the the the mass American style that now we're like you know what we need to do
[SPEAKER_01]: After what happened seeing how AAA and CMLL have kind of now both in their own ways have decided to just merge themselves into being a lot more indistinguishable and not like singular in itself because of trying to pursue tourism and like working with the either corporate overlords or a
[SPEAKER_01]: partner that it makes things a lot easier to if your partner's promotion and guys are wrestling sell they're used to yeah, let's go take it and go do that in Japan Like that just is completely seems like that the kind of behavior that ends with like data centers
[SPEAKER_00]: like what are we doing I think the AJ thing doesn't bother me because I understand the brainwarm that is is forcing that quote out of him at the very least.
[SPEAKER_01]: I always, I mean, David's is the same brainwarm just a different form.
[SPEAKER_00]: I guess I guess you're right.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm just, I'm not surprised.
[SPEAKER_00]: I wasn't surprised whenever that I was really surprised when I read the David thing.
[SPEAKER_00]: I always like thinking about
[SPEAKER_00]: that cubs blog posts for a few months ago.
[SPEAKER_00]: It wasn't for the Grande Americana stuff, but it was it was for something else, maybe when AAA on Fox, Latin America started, but just.
[SPEAKER_00]: I do think there's truth to the idea that even though they have completely turned AAA into Hispanic WWE from a presentation standpoint, from an entering standpoint, not that I was certainly not that I was in love with AAA before, but I would rather that AAA exists than this current AAA exist.
[SPEAKER_00]: But I come with me the point where he's like, you know, I bet deep down.
[SPEAKER_00]: Mark Callaway and Jeremy Borrash, the team there, they really think they're doing something different, just because of the culture that they've inhabited, whereas they're probably patting themselves in the peck, like, oh, we are, we are really chained to the game here.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's like, no, you're doing,
[SPEAKER_00]: Raw, but with red white and green ropes instead of all red ropes, but yeah, you know, it's I've said by piece on that.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm I'm grossly uncomfortable by the Grande Americano stuff and I'm happy being in the minority on that.
[SPEAKER_00]: I really was was bothered by the praise that that God and you know, whatever, but we've also got a bunch of drainage stuff to talk about that is probably maybe a little bit less controversial because I think everybody that is watching it this year is unfortunately on the same page about this promotion.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, no.
[SPEAKER_01]: It definitely is an interesting year to have covered Dragon Gate, and especially looking in on the biggest show of the year, which is Kobe Pro Wrestling Festival, this Monday from Kobe World can in Hall, and guys, before we get kind of into it, we have a couple of quick, quick, quick Dragon Gate things.
[SPEAKER_01]: For a lot of people, this will be the first major show, or for show that they have watched since the network has been relaunched and remodeled as it went down in the first week of July.
[SPEAKER_01]: It came up for the last face show from Sunday, but it's a new day for the Dragon Gate Network.
[SPEAKER_01]: Some changes, maybe not all the changes that people really kind of wanted, but a different coat of paint on the online service.
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, let's drink it in 2026.
[SPEAKER_00]: So I can't say I'm a fan of it.
[SPEAKER_00]: I will say that for as flawed as I guess network 1.0 was.
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, that thing had existed since 2018 and had it done update until now.
[SPEAKER_00]: So it was a long era of network 1.0 as we are now in network 2.0.
[SPEAKER_00]: But for the first version, it was heavily flawed.
[SPEAKER_00]: There are a lot of things
[SPEAKER_00]: But I learned how to speak that website's language and I knew how to find everything that I needed to find.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I know that nobody else could because I answered all of your guys' DMs on, hey, I heard there's Tori Macho's here.
[SPEAKER_00]: Hey, I heard this, I heard there's that.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I know that it was impossible to find, but I knew how to find the impossible to find stuff.
[SPEAKER_00]: There's two issues I have with the current version of that work.
[SPEAKER_00]: We'll start with the first, is that they appear to have completely buried their archives.
[SPEAKER_00]: And if you do a search of Tory mod, you get the Tory mod TV that comes up, but you also get every broadcast to show in 2020 with anything labeled Tory mod generation, which is,
[SPEAKER_00]: Not ideal.
[SPEAKER_00]: It looks like in 2022.
[SPEAKER_00]: You've got some shows that come up.
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, this is not a perfect system by any means.
[SPEAKER_00]: So they yeah, they've made the heart of the organization.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, they've lost the categorization.
[SPEAKER_00]: So they've made what was already at at our best will say a heavily flawed archive somehow harder to find.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, like I just right now pulled up and there is a keyword search and I searched Kobe world just because, you know, this week and the things that come up for Kobe world at least on the first page are the Kobe porous thing fossil from last year's both versions English and Japanese a BB Hulk 20th anniversary special.
[SPEAKER_01]: April and May, El Numer, you know, 2004, you know, Dos Traystapes, Soccer Chicao versus Great Sasuke from Kobe World, with part of the Soccer Retirement stuff that I got ported over same with Ajacong, Kobe World 2024, and then really it is a kind of combination of like tape and then like not any sort of
[SPEAKER_01]: like way to identify things other than the title themselves, which is objectively, like I
[SPEAKER_01]: I have worked with a lot of librarians and like idea like metadata and how you kind of format these sorts of things that this is like that they have all the metadata but they did not decide to put any sort of wrapper behind it and essentially if you're going to want something you're going to need a search by date, but here's the issue about searching by date case I've noticed they use different date stylings for things.
[SPEAKER_01]: So like you can't search like July 2nd, 2026, really looking for a Kobe world.
[SPEAKER_01]: If you're looking for the English version, it's identified as 2026.7.2, which is actually more the Japanese style of kind of date things sometimes.
[SPEAKER_01]: So it's an virtually impossible service to get into the archives of.
[SPEAKER_01]: I will say the fact that like it has the next network show on the main page, both the regular slash Japanese version, the player commentary slash English version, already posted for the next show.
[SPEAKER_01]: And there is a pretty easy way to type through recent stuff.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's fine.
[SPEAKER_01]: But the use of this is a valuable tool as an archive
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it's just it's a little frustrating because the other version was not great by any means by could at least I could at least figure out what I needed and it's not like people are really diving into those archives.
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, they the the Toryman archive has been complete or at least as complete as the network version is going to be for about a year now and it's not like anybody we know is
[SPEAKER_00]: is doing a Toryman rewatch project, although I wish they would, and I guess this is probably a question that we should ask Jay, although I know you won't have an answer, he'll just shrug, which is, Drea Gates fault not his, but I would love to know why they stop with the Toryman stuff and didn't just continue into Drea Gates and start uploading there from the very beginning.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think that's an incredibly odd thing that this network now has footage from 1999 through the
[SPEAKER_00]: And for the most part, 2018 to now and there's just a 14 year gap with the middle, which is like stuff that I think most people would be interested in rewashing that is just not there.
[SPEAKER_01]: Right.
[SPEAKER_01]: And like I just searched 2005 just because like you can't like tab and there's not a way to go like search by year.
[SPEAKER_01]: So I searched 2005 again what pulls up there is B.
[SPEAKER_01]: B. Hulks to anything anniversary of the Sith Festival that that this fucking video case shows up for everything that Kobe world from that year and then B.
[SPEAKER_01]: B. Hulks when he was young again, it's just soon when you close go.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's only up in 2005.
[SPEAKER_00]: If I search 2014, I get the across Fukuoka evening show from October 12, 2025.
[SPEAKER_00]: I get the BB Hope, 20th anniversary special.
[SPEAKER_00]: I get Kobe Arts Center from October 12, 2024.
[SPEAKER_00]: And then Dragon Gate Best Bout selection 2012 through 2016, Dead or Live 2014, Dangerous Gate 2014, Gate of Destiny 2014, Kobe World 2014.
[SPEAKER_00]: I will say that Gate of Destiny 2014 thumbnail is of the Osaka O6 versus T-Hawk and A-T-Match, which now I'm like desperate to re-watch, I really want to throw that on.
[SPEAKER_00]: And then the Prime Zones from that year, which is fine.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's what we would expect.
[SPEAKER_00]: But this network has existed since 2018.
[SPEAKER_00]: There's a separate conversation that we won't have today because it's a overarching conversation on culture, on tech and on where wrestling fits into all of this, on what even the value of archive content is and this short answer is next to nothing, but it would be really, really nice since I pay for the Drain Gate Network,
[SPEAKER_00]: to have all of the cork ends from 2013 and all of the cork ends from 2014 and all the cork ends from 2015, especially the 2015 ones, which are still a little hard to find.
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, you and I would say probably have between the various servers and Google drives that you and I are a part of, probably have access to more rogue, dragon gate footage, than just about anybody else.
[SPEAKER_00]: There's still some 2015 stuff that isn't widely available that I would really have to search for and you would think after all of these years that would be there and yet there's no progress being made on that whatsoever.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, no, that actually might be a good topic with Jay about.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I mean, you know, look, there's a point in time with this network was much new where you know around, you know, the year that it launched and especially, you know, about a year into existence where you and I had a bit of an year in terms of somebody that they could at least relay messages and relay ideas and there was a point in time where I spent a lot of time thinking about, you know, what what content could be made for the Dren gate network that could.
[SPEAKER_00]: They could be an olive branch for English fans, you know, that we could grab them in the same way, because there was a point in time where I thought It maybe I'm just numb to it now because due to pan is is the functioning enterprise that they are, but I was like, kind of look at what new Japan is doing There's no reason that during it can't do some things like that and something's better than that and it just never happened and so now you know
[SPEAKER_00]: New Japan world chugs along with what I find to be an incredibly difficult search function to use and it's a headache when I use their archive because I certainly use their archives more than that I am watching current new Japan, but I see an effort being made there and drag it there is no effort which is just a continuous frustration the other issue that I've had and this might be user error, but I try to cast the Shinjuku facial to my TV and I could not get the audio to sync up any time that I tried.
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, when you say audio sync is just like the usual thing with how bad the audio sync has been on the footage over the last few months or this notice that when I was washing it on my laptop when I tried to go laptop.
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_00]: The audio sync the audio would be like 30 seconds off from the actual match.
[SPEAKER_01]: So far, I've only watched it through web browser.
[SPEAKER_01]: I haven't tried to cast it.
[SPEAKER_01]: I usually use my smart TVs on board internet browsers.
[SPEAKER_01]: And that usually works pretty okay with the old network.
[SPEAKER_01]: It did sometimes get into like, it was difficult to get it to fast-forward, but that was also TV-EY2 with that.
[SPEAKER_01]: But I haven't tried that out yet to see if it works on browsers with that, but I always had an issue with the old network trying to cast from like an iPad to a Apple TV.
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, well, I, I had a even thought about trying the browser on the TV, so maybe I'll give that a shot for Kobe world, which again is on a Monday and not a Sunday, and that creates a whole other string of issues, but Mike Draingate said goodbye on Monday of this week to Shinjuku face with dragon gate last face.
[SPEAKER_00]: Shockingly enough, this was only the 16th event and company history to take place at this building.
[SPEAKER_00]: They never ran there as Torium on their first, uh, Shinjuku Feisha was a DDT joint show in 2007, which I don't feel like we ever got.
[SPEAKER_00]: Do you remember seeing this show?
[SPEAKER_01]: I remember seeing A, I remember seeing A, D, G, show because of the,
[SPEAKER_01]: rather infamous to Zawa and Denkishino Dino stuff.
[SPEAKER_00]: But that's the cork and show from away.
[SPEAKER_00]: Right, this is, yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: Because I don't read, the main event is a Hirashima Kudo and McCombie versus Batside El Rio Saitu and Susumi Akosuka.
[SPEAKER_00]: What sounds awesome?
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I would definitely know if I saw that.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I, I don't feel like I have.
[SPEAKER_00]: There's an Ibushi versus BB Hulk match on that show as well, which, you know, they did it again when they ran a DDG show in 2012.
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't think we ever got that, and then from there, it's a slew of shows in Champion Gate and the fallout of the Fukushima earthquake and typhoon and all those issues, I'm sorry, soon right, all those issues there, where they had to move some events, and then the next time they ran face was the big game, in some ways, the beginning of the end, because this was really the downturn from the promotion after the golden era was when Korkin Hall was under construction,
[SPEAKER_00]: and the summer of 2016, there was a month where they couldn't run cork and as they were a day night double had our ancient juku face for the start of the summer adventure tagly and I don't know, I mean, I were watching the the first show live and being so into it, I would have had a bot that show on Nico Nico.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, that's a pretty good idea.
[SPEAKER_00]: So into it, not because of the tag League stuff, because the opening match on that show was Cybertron, Problem Dragon, and Shingo Tikage versus Massaggio, Shino Tikhawk, and Futa Nakamura.
[SPEAKER_00]: This is pre-Bin-K. Bin-K. Hammer of the Futa Nakamura name.
[SPEAKER_00]: And we were so excited because he and Mocha Zuki were supposed to team together in this tag league.
[SPEAKER_00]: We really hadn't seen a ton of Nakamura up to this point.
[SPEAKER_00]: Maybe two or three matches.
[SPEAKER_00]: Who were like, oh, this is awesome.
[SPEAKER_00]: He's going to, he's going to be on this tour.
[SPEAKER_00]: We'll get a bunch of shows on this tour.
[SPEAKER_00]: And then you got, can custom that match and had to pull out from the tour.
[SPEAKER_01]: Right.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: And at that time, especially with Nakamura in the class of 2016, we only like really saw glimpses of them up until the fall, like even for Skywalker and Hio who were wrestling
[SPEAKER_01]: But yeah, it just was not a venue that they would really run even for the produce shows they would run, Shinkiba first ring.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like that's where like the Warriors produce shows were in the original Boyadens would go after they they saw for any them in Corquant.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, so from there, you know, they don't run in the get until the budget and shows in 2023 pick up with Mocha Zuki and that goes through the end of 2024 there was that great shoe sky walk our SSW quest produce show last March a Mocha Zuki produce show last July that I don't remember.
[SPEAKER_00]: And, oh, no, that was Tanaka versus June Masuoka, I do remember that show.
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, that's that's good to know.
[SPEAKER_00]: I thought I had completely hit the mid and black memory eraser on that and then November for Gate of nostalgia, a Gajadilkuro produce show this year and then DG last face just a day ago.
[SPEAKER_00]: So as we continue to talk about venues that are important to dragon gate evaporating or being under construction or just not being available for whatever reason.
[SPEAKER_00]: This is, yes, a venue that's being lost, but I would say a venue that's that's far more important to other Japanese promotions right more so than Dragon Gate.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, no, I completely agree with that.
[SPEAKER_01]: Dragon Gate basically stuck to cork and other than those Shin-Kiba first-ring produce shows where they run running places like Ariake or Defer during those time periods.
[SPEAKER_01]: And they just never went a position to consistently run a frankly, a building as small as Shin-Kuku face on a normal basis.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: And really, you take away the Mochizuki shows.
[SPEAKER_01]: The only time this is that they were on there was because they couldn't run Corgan.
[SPEAKER_01]: So as much as I like, I have a good fondness, especially in 2023 and 2024, more towards 2023 for the revival of Buida then.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's just not that kind of venue for singularly dragon gate versus, I mean, DDT.
[SPEAKER_01]: This is a huge loss, you know, I mean, company is like that and, and I mean, DDT for the fact that they run so much more around Tokyo that they would run cork in this place, the outdoor park venue, like they have a lot of Tokyo venues and dragon gate just because of the way that they
[SPEAKER_01]: have always done their touring and their focus like they just don't go that much to Tokyo except for like their monthly Tokyo visits so there was no need to kind of do more shows there other than these produces.
[SPEAKER_00]: As for this show itself I will start to to preview Kobe world here and we'll be able to blend in some commentary but any overarching thoughts on DG last
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, in a way, it kind of felt like a produce show, you know, like especially given how let me pull up my notebook for it.
[SPEAKER_01]: It just had a vibe up until really the semi main event in the main event of just having a good time and kind of goofing around and smiling a lot, you know, I mean,
[SPEAKER_01]: You had an overly long Kikotaru match in the year of our Lord 2026.
[SPEAKER_01]: You had Heo and Johnny Valeta have Heo proclaim his desire to have as Jay put it, Beesiel sucks with him.
[SPEAKER_01]: And then the handsome special battle royale, which is as everyone doing poses and was kind of charming and junior and Gucci at the end.
[SPEAKER_01]: And
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I mean, my big takeaway from this match really goes into the Twink Gate about Sennotag, and the main event was a lot of fun and had a little bit of air of like 2024 zebra's versus modern god Jedokoro, and that was kind of noted and appreciated.
[SPEAKER_00]: I thought the main event.
[SPEAKER_00]: was just getting really, really, really good when the match was 15 minutes.
[SPEAKER_00]: It went 1442 and that is a match that I was mentally preparing to go about 21 or 22 minutes and when soon got Jason up for the SSW.
[SPEAKER_00]: I thought Shirley Jason's going to slip out, he'll go for a maximum drive or we'll do more spots with those two.
[SPEAKER_00]: Everybody will go down and then we'll we'll start to go into that finishing stretch and study picked him up into the SSW and that was it and it was it was a fun match.
[SPEAKER_00]: It was one of those matches where
[SPEAKER_00]: It is entirely justified, our love for him.
[SPEAKER_00]: But I would say over the course of the last three or four months, he hasn't done a lot to blow me away.
[SPEAKER_00]: He hasn't had a lot of even just strong individual performances.
[SPEAKER_00]: If you want to remove and extract him from the Gajad Dochero malaise,
[SPEAKER_00]: I haven't left a lot of shows going like, God, look at look at what Eashon's done.
[SPEAKER_00]: This was one of those God, look at what Eashon did performances.
[SPEAKER_00]: I wanted that best to go long, right?
[SPEAKER_00]: One of that best to be better.
[SPEAKER_00]: I really liked it.
[SPEAKER_00]: I just, I felt they all had more in them.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and especially the way that they did the Eastern doing the heat on Dragon Kid.
[SPEAKER_01]: I thought that that was really a lot of fun.
[SPEAKER_01]: Did you notice how fast Fulmita was running the ropes when he added his exchange of the Eastern to start off the match?
[SPEAKER_00]: Fulmita, the Eastern continued to just have absolutely miraculous chemistry.
[SPEAKER_01]: he was getting like 0.7 Yoshino speed on that.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like it was noticeable.
[SPEAKER_01]: It was going to be a handful made up.
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, with that, my only negative about this was what the hell was the special mass that D.A.
[SPEAKER_01]: Montet was wearing?
[SPEAKER_01]: Like that was an off.
[SPEAKER_01]: It was a Shin Sky Walker mask clearly, or like a Shin Sky Walker design kind of thing.
[SPEAKER_01]: But I'm like, man, this is not what we expect out of you when you say D.A.
[SPEAKER_01]: Montet, we're thinking about the black mass with the diamond and the mouthboard, not to this like,
[SPEAKER_01]: uh... like skywalker uh... psychomass that he was like using for like uh... skywalker cita with uh... reta you know well obviously talking about shooting skywalker and his departure a little bit during this preview i i think
[SPEAKER_00]: The time to talk about Skywalker and his legacy and just sort of what this last year of his career has been in the conversation that we'll come after Kobe world.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_00]: Partially just because I'm curious to see what they do with him at world and the way that he's treated and what sort of spotlight or attention he gets.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm very intrigued by that, but this was one of those times where I got
[SPEAKER_00]: really sad, because I would say for the most part, like the Skywalker news didn't surprise me in the slightest, the fact that as soon as it was announced, I had multiple people reaching out to me from different pockets of being within wrestling, people that are tied to different scenes, people that promote or help promote different things in different parts of the world that immediately went, oh yeah, we knew about this.
[SPEAKER_00]: It was just, we were just waiting on the announcement.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like none of that caught me by surprise.
[SPEAKER_00]: And again, there's a separate conversation about what was left on the table, what he, what he could have done that he won't get to do.
[SPEAKER_00]: There's a point in this match where Dragon Kid and Shune Skywalker are doing stereo offense.
[SPEAKER_00]: and they're not doing double team moves, but they're doing things at the same time to the heel group.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I thought, oh my god, I've never really thought about a shoe and sky walk or dragon kid tag team before.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I guess I shouldn't bother thinking about it because we're never going to get it and that really sucks.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, like, like, there were like moments of like, oh, this is the last time we're probably going to see Shun Monte offense, right, like we had a little bit of that and it was like, oh, yeah, I know remember how much fun that was and it's like, oh, and it really.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm going to have to write something about Shun Skywalkers career and especially his last year of it just because of trying to, and a lot of ways I still feel like I am making sense of how it's ending in this kind of way or at least the, the runway to the departure with it because like you, you get those moments of hem of dragon kid or hem with Monte and you go like,
[SPEAKER_01]: This is what, if we were doing this thing, non-stop.
[SPEAKER_01]: And if this is what he was doing for the last year, like this, I would not be having like necessarily this feeling of like whistfulness of like, oh, what could have been that like this match kind of provided where you compare that to his other final matches that we had.
[SPEAKER_01]: So far, and they've been more or less just kind of what we get from modern Skywalker.
[SPEAKER_01]: This was kind of a little bit of a throwback for me in some ways.
[SPEAKER_00]: It was nice.
[SPEAKER_00]: It was nice because he's, you know, been some weird combination of being a headache and being a distraction and being off putting for so long now.
[SPEAKER_00]: this was one of those you can turn your brain off matches and go like oh that's right this is the guy who I've said now for the 2020s has been the best wrestler not named Brian Danielson or will offspring and it wasn't like it was that elite type of performance in this match but it was just nice to not be bothered by skywalker which is something that I really haven't been able to say for most of this year.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yeah, absolutely.
[SPEAKER_01]: And yeah, we'll get more into it with the twin gate, but like it was nice seeing a true to form like tag match in the semi-main with Sanotaga,
[SPEAKER_01]: they're going to be fine after we're seeing this match or like okay they have the obvious chemistry well we can see where this thing goes and I feel like that for stuff that like moved on and like has this thinking about Kobe world like those were kind of like the two things that I took away from that from the show.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah so we'll talk about it more when we talk about the 28 match specifically but I was encouraged by what I saw from Yoshioca and Minora.
[SPEAKER_01]: Absolutely.
[SPEAKER_01]: And buddy, and unless you have anything any other news and notes you want to go on, I think it's time to crack open this go Bay World card.
[SPEAKER_00]: Let's do it.
[SPEAKER_01]: All right.
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, let's let's let's start here.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm going to I'm sorry.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm going to cut you off for just a second.
[SPEAKER_00]: So I have been watching Kobe world's live.
[SPEAKER_00]: This goes back to you stream.
[SPEAKER_00]: I've done Kobe World's Live on you stream, Nico Nico and the Dragon Gate Network.
[SPEAKER_00]: I have been watching them live since 2014.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think the only year that I didn't watch live, which was by choice and even then I don't remember if I ended up talking myself into staying up or not, was 2018.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'll be able to probably watch the undercard live just because I'll be up for work anyways.
[SPEAKER_00]: Had this show been on a weekend, I would watch live because at this point, I'm too locked into this and too committed to this to not do that.
[SPEAKER_00]: But when I think back to the Kobe world that I've watched in a real time, which again is 2014 to now, this feels like other than 2018, the least excited I've been for a world.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I would have to really go back into my notes and go through the cards.
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, this would be probably not my 20th Kobe world.
[SPEAKER_01]: I was not immediately like on like that, but like 15 or 16.
[SPEAKER_01]: And you know, it's
[SPEAKER_01]: I, I saw a really good comment in the the drawing gate channel and the voice is wrestling discord about how year and I and Liam touched on this and the written preview on voices are wrestling like it's a great written preview for me.
[SPEAKER_00]: Thank you for doing that because neither Mike or I want to do that and Liam took one for the team there and it's a great preview.
[SPEAKER_00]: So well done well done by Liam.
[SPEAKER_01]: But like, an idea of if you're like someone who really, like you know that Kobe world is your big, dragon gate show, the ear, and like this is the one you make time for, like the way that people make time for, you know, the major, like,
[SPEAKER_01]: Peter Pan or the the the big uh Senjo show from last week you know like the if this is the show where you're Not that that not just your die hearts are getting ready for you just pull up the card for it And you like look at the matches just as the matches and you haven't been consuming twenty twenty six dragon gate I feel like you really might have a different view of this show
[SPEAKER_01]: Just because of you be like, okay, so my main event they're putting two young guys in the main event.
[SPEAKER_01]: Homare has been a lot of fun now.
[SPEAKER_01]: He's no longer with Shune and Tanaka's going for the record.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's great.
[SPEAKER_01]: KZ time KZ time is on offer here.
[SPEAKER_01]: Menora and Yoshioca, you know, I mean, that they're names there and then you go down and go like skywalkers last match and in Kobe world can and Hall is a dry and gate wrestler.
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, triangle gate, you have basically three really young hot wrestlers there, and then you have Heo who, you know, a little bit older, but still like at this, and then, you know, natural vibes there.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I feel like that you can almost get yourself into a mindset of that this card is something to like really kind of get excited for.
[SPEAKER_01]: But it's just after the last seven months, it's just a hard way to like erase my brain in that kind of fashion to be excited about this.
[SPEAKER_01]: If you're going to ask me a number for the show, I mean, there's certain things I'm very excited for, and there's certain things I'm excited to get through and see where we're going to next, but the show by itself, I mean, we're talking about a three or four for me out of ten.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'd be at a four, that feels like a very fair number.
[SPEAKER_00]: The the solace that I have in this car, and I mentioned this after the June cork ends, I felt like they took a major step back in July, but I mentioned this after the June cork ends where, okay, we can deal with everything we've dealt with this year, bad or at, you know, at the very least uninspired booking, some guys getting screen time that I don't necessarily care for, some guys that I really like not getting the screen time that I think they deserve.
[SPEAKER_00]: They have set the ducks in a row.
[SPEAKER_00]: We're post Kobe world, they can hit the ground running.
[SPEAKER_00]: And we had this conversation last week about whether or not they do a tag league in August, that historically has been something that has tripped up some dreamgate champions coming out of world, especially some new dreamgate champions coming out of world.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think a tag league would be such a great pallet cleanser for the promotion if they did it in August.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I would really support that just because there
[SPEAKER_00]: with a bunch of really good matches with Tanaka and Kamorah teaming and with Kame and Rita teaming and with Shio and Junior doing their thing and you know team, uh, Kato and Eshen could go back out there and try to get a win over the 28 champions, presuming they lose the belts at world.
[SPEAKER_00]: It could be a nice cultural reset and then you find your first challenger for Kazy if he wins.
[SPEAKER_00]: You find a new challenger for Kuku Duffy went through that tag.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like I think
[SPEAKER_00]: They've set their ducks in a row to where they could feasibly have some momentum.
[SPEAKER_00]: leaving world.
[SPEAKER_00]: Whether or not that happens is up for debate.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I am terrified that whatever I think the right decisions are, they are going to do the opposite of because that is how this promotion has been booked this year.
[SPEAKER_00]: And there's a chance that if we're coming into the show at fours, we're leaving at eight.
[SPEAKER_00]: There's also, and I don't say this to be funny and I don't say this to be dramatic.
[SPEAKER_00]: There's a real chance coming into the show where at fours in leaving
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, no, I mean, this is not a booking team and a booker and real site though that can be trusted if you're someone that is parachuting in like the war.
[SPEAKER_01]: If this is the final exam, but like let's be honest, the best you can imagine that he can get himself out of on this course is maybe a C plus if he nails it.
[SPEAKER_01]: like it and that's still like him pulling rabbits out of his ass is non-stop and some guys really are just giving the runway to have the matches that you know that they could have with some of these what was some of these match ups and you know i mean the the hopes at least looking at how this show is laid out i mean
[SPEAKER_01]: You have some matches here that you can say, like, okay, they are safe from God to docaro bullshit, you know, and you could put some faith into like those maybe having a higher, higher floor there, but I mean, you look at the Skywalker match and there's a big chance there, you know, for a lot of shenanigans and not necessarily a just complete, you know,
[SPEAKER_01]: All out three way six man like that that's very possible and then you could look at team 204 versus Senota I can go like oh geez now that means that you have Jason and Kai free.
[SPEAKER_01]: They're going to get involved there in the main event.
[SPEAKER_01]: You have to go, you know, for a while, Kakura was being a clean heel champion, but that's in the win now.
[SPEAKER_01]: And if that happens, I mean, that's where you're really looking at your ones and two's coming out of it.
[SPEAKER_00]: Absolutely.
[SPEAKER_00]: And so, all eyes for better or worse are on the dream gate match.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's Kukuta versus Kazy for Kukuta, shockingly enough.
[SPEAKER_00]: It is the second time that he has defended the dream gate belt at Kobe World.
[SPEAKER_00]: First time he'll be in the main event.
[SPEAKER_00]: For Kazy, it is his third Kobe World, main event.
[SPEAKER_00]: Kobe World 2020, Kobe World 2021, night one, and now here
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm still baffled by how we got here.
[SPEAKER_00]: I just have such a hard time believing that this is the main event, but it speaks to, and we talked a little bit about this last week, but it speaks to now this five year run, 2022 with Coach Manora, 2023, yes you had the cage match, but you had the ice cold cocoa versus Yoshioka match.
[SPEAKER_00]: 2024 was the,
[SPEAKER_00]: effective, but not in thralling bin cave versus Yamato build that generated on all-time grade dreamgate match, but you know what it was not like we were invested in the idea of Yamato versus Ben K. 2025 was soon versus Yamato in a match that felt humongous, but it had an annoying
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, I don't know, a match that doesn't feel hot to me, you know, it doesn't feel as hot as the brave gate batch, which I have some issues with, but I also will applaud their booking on that momentarily.
[SPEAKER_00]: It doesn't feel as hot as the twin gate match because of the challengers in that twin gate match.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm more invested in the triangle gate match given the guys involved.
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, this, this is the coldest of the title matches, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and I think this title match is really banking on the idea that Casey is getting his shot here and like the idea of Maybe he is that on this third attempt at Kobe world he will be able to have his big kind of
[SPEAKER_01]: championship of moment, and that's not necessarily the most compelling build in the way that we got here with basically a dream key match that was decided after the June cork in that basically, you know, you had KZ and then you had a completely untastic guy in LCL
[SPEAKER_01]: you had three weeks to build KZ here, so I feel that they just basically banked on the fact that it's KZ.
[SPEAKER_01]: And as I mentioned last week, I still am of belief that the Shimizu injury really would have changed things.
[SPEAKER_01]: And that this might have been a position where we're talking about Shimizu versus
[SPEAKER_00]: The problem with that is that shimmers who got hurt in February, right?
[SPEAKER_00]: So either you had time to pivot, or they had five months to pivot, or you had time
[SPEAKER_00]: to build KZ up in a way, to where it feels like him winning the dream gate belt, finally.
[SPEAKER_00]: Should come across as this monument to this moment.
[SPEAKER_00]: But Mike, you go through his booking this year.
[SPEAKER_00]: He gets killed by Shimazu in January.
[SPEAKER_00]: He wins the triangle gate belts in February, but he's not the focus of that team.
[SPEAKER_00]: That is, Aki and Gucci's reign in KZ happens to be there.
[SPEAKER_00]: they lose those titles to outsiders on an untelive show, Casey at the end of May when they do the triple shot in his hometown was thoroughly uninteresting.
[SPEAKER_00]: And that to me is maybe the biggest crime of all, if they would have really started to heat Casey up on those shows and made it obvious
[SPEAKER_00]: I could give them a little bit more runaway, but Casey may be had his least interesting Hokkaido triple shot ever this year.
[SPEAKER_00]: And then he goes into the June Corquins.
[SPEAKER_00]: He's in a three way tag that is good, but ultimately, meaningless on the first night, he's in that big natural vibes tag on the second night.
[SPEAKER_00]: And then all of a sudden, he decides that now he's going to challenge for the Dreamgate belt.
[SPEAKER_00]: throughout all of the years of Casey's career, really, you know, from 2015 to now, when he really starts to be a push and valued commodity in this promotion.
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, this is a guy that I had at the tail end of my 100 greatest wrestlers ever list.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I've made the point that I think match for match pound for pound, I think he's had a better career than Kentomi Ahara.
[SPEAKER_00]: This is as uninspired as I've been by Casey.
[SPEAKER_00]: in a very, very long time.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I don't know if that's his fall.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think a lot of it is just the uninspired booking that he's been forced to sort of trudge along with.
[SPEAKER_00]: But...
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, this isn't 2021 KZ challenge for the dream gate belt, where you had people frothing at the mouth and threatening to quit Washington, dragon gate, if Skywalker beat KZ, then sure enough Skywalker beat KZ, and although I feel like it was the right move, it was a gut punch, and I don't have that level of emotion tied to this dream gate challenge at all.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'd be nowhere close.
[SPEAKER_01]: No, uh, it just kind of feels in some ways that there were off ramps to Kudas, title run, that just never were taken with a Yoshioka, but I mean, maybe Yoshioka is not that guy anymore, but like, you look at his title defenses.
[SPEAKER_01]: He's only had to this calendar year.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's this and
[SPEAKER_01]: And a lot of ways feels like that yes, you had the cage stuff in the way that he was interjected into the cage when Shimazoo was out, which again, they had him step into the cage for Shimazoo two months after he broke orter his ACL.
[SPEAKER_01]: It really is just a fuddling that one, it cacuda just does not defend the belt after defending the belt basically monthly in 2025.
[SPEAKER_01]: And two, all of this, all this runway to build up this main event.
[SPEAKER_01]: And yet again, Rio Saito does not pay any sort of care towards the drinkate title.
[SPEAKER_00]: No, it's another bad Kobe world building.
[SPEAKER_00]: This is the fifth year in a row that we've talked about this, which is absolutely insane, given for a bad booker.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, we now have the evidence.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I'm curious to know, and I think these questions will become a little bit more clear as we get further away from 2026.
[SPEAKER_00]: But there is a definitive tone shift this year that I do wonder if some other people have more power now.
[SPEAKER_00]: Because one of the things that I noticed on this
[SPEAKER_00]: has been prevalent for a while, but for some reason it really hit me on the other card of that show, is this has become a really comedy heavy promotion again?
[SPEAKER_00]: And I don't like that.
[SPEAKER_00]: I do not, and I have to preface myself because I feel like this is gonna get pushed back where inherently rooted in the dragon system,
[SPEAKER_00]: from Hamada's universal with low sprazos through Mitch Dokupro with Yona Gengin to Torimon with the undercards there to drink.
[SPEAKER_00]: Now, there's an inherent goofiness that comes with a style.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm not arguing that.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm not asking for this to be the UWF.
[SPEAKER_00]: There is comedy wrestling.
[SPEAKER_00]: revelant throughout this promotion right now and it's really off-putting.
[SPEAKER_00]: It is very 2023 AEW sort of brochacho's on down and Kukuta's not doing that, but he's one of the only guys not doing that.
[SPEAKER_00]: This is a goofy wrestling promotion right now and not in a good way.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and especially with final faces, you had jokes literally and every match up until the semi-manus.
[SPEAKER_00]: So I made it, and that's the, these honor cards right now, and I was trying to figure out what it was, because
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, you know, there was the big picture issues with the promotions that we talked with the promotion that we talked about every week, but lately, I've had a really hard time focusing on these undercards and I was trying to say what it was and the face, I was like, oh, that's right, because every match has been a comedy match so far.
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't care.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm not invested in any of this, even like the battle royale fine, whatever, but like
[SPEAKER_00]: were two weeks away from company world that's how some fight you know you can have you show to the semi-man event of the main event that you can do this show page tribute to this building and do something productive but uh man these undercard these undercards are really goofy right now and i do not like that so
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, Casey on the whole, I've just I found his booking to be so incredibly lackluster this year in a way that is is depressing and I mentioned this to you at the beginning of this month when this match was booked and it's it's a concern that I still have.
[SPEAKER_00]: given the state of everything that has gone on with the discontent from the fans with Skywalker leaving, just a bad time for the logo of Dragon Gate.
[SPEAKER_00]: Not a lot of people waving that flag proudly in 2026 for the perpetual loser to finally win, especially, because I might feel differently about this if he was on the hottest run of his career, but especially given the way that he's been booked,
[SPEAKER_00]: I do have grave concerns that putting the title on KZ is sort of waving the white flag and and caving in and surrendering a little bit to the past instead of trudging forward, which for all of my issues with this promotion, I do continue to appreciate that they focus the top of the card either on.
[SPEAKER_00]: I won't say young.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'll say fresh champions or veteran champions with brave young challengers coming their way.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I just don't know if a KZ-Rain is the right tone for right now.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and especially with the fact that the last two months' corkans have had two out of the three lowest attended corkans in company history.
[SPEAKER_00]: A business.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, talk I said, it's operating cork in, you know, and you know, but there we go, you're at it there, but he probably already had the thousand tickets sold before he said that.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's with it's talk.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's fair.
[SPEAKER_00]: But that is entirely for, but nevertheless, the business show, a JTO show outdrewed, dragging in cork at home.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like, and it wasn't the talk.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm at your local retirement show.
[SPEAKER_01]: No, you're absolutely right, so yeah, so why is the answer a someone that you, you know, no moment to mess you laid out here weakest one of his challenges coming into it and
[SPEAKER_01]: the idea of this promotion at this point like is this really the time to pull out this gold watch ring because it feels like that it like abstract from the day-to-day dragon gate if you are the people parachuting in.
[SPEAKER_01]: you're setting yourself up for the kz gold watch run and that's not what what I feel like is going to like be the instant solve to the the bad business caused by the bad book.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's just because like yes kz has like an open dance card so you can go do a lot of interesting kind of things like maybe you're able to do just like people like kato or who knows but like
[SPEAKER_01]: Is that really, are we really at that time to be doing that?
[SPEAKER_01]: And it to me, at least, it feels like that this isn't the time whatsoever to be doing it.
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, if KZ wins, I think that Dringet Rain goes in one of two directions.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I can't get a feel for which one is more likely.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think the first possibility, which I talked about last week, which is the one that I dread.
[SPEAKER_00]: And it's why
[SPEAKER_00]: Quite frankly, I don't want KZ to win because I don't really want to have to confront this possible reality, but it's KZ winning strong machine J turning, and then maybe a really quick KZ reign that leads to a heel strong machine J run.
[SPEAKER_00]: And the thought of that, and it's really not even a reflection of strong machine J, it's just the thought of more heel shenanigans and the dream gate scene that it like it honestly makes me sick to my stomach.
[SPEAKER_00]: process that and I don't want that at all.
[SPEAKER_00]: with the other possibility being, and I was talking with somebody about this last week, where, okay, let's say Kasey wins, and let's say he kind of has a run like Yamato had a few years ago, where you throw, you know, Yamato as a challenger, and you throw a doya as a challenger, and let's say you do Kasey versus CIO and Cork, and maybe we finally ripped the band it off that, and we just have a series of title matches that are good professional wrestling matches.
[SPEAKER_00]: Maybe that stabilizes things at the top of the card.
[SPEAKER_00]: But I'm also not particularly excited about that.
[SPEAKER_00]: And maybe that's just me looking through the fog of war here and maybe once Casey, if he wins the dream gate belt and then we get a succession of really fun dream gate matches announced, maybe I can buy into that.
[SPEAKER_00]: But as we sit here in Minjuly a week out from world, I can't say that I'm in thus by the prospect of that either.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's kind of like we have seen how the proposed generation has failed with Kakura's like leaders and and like with that and going to KZ in this kind of position with those kinds of challenges like.
[SPEAKER_01]: completely like out of the picture, the guys that like have been, you know, have been basically in these tile matches over the last few years.
[SPEAKER_01]: It just doesn't interest me.
[SPEAKER_00]: No, that's the thing.
[SPEAKER_00]: It doesn't.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like that's the hard part with this promotion right now.
[SPEAKER_00]: And it's reminds me, I mean, this promotion reminds me of 2018 and so many ways, but
[SPEAKER_00]: there really is that great divide right now where even if they're not ready for prime time again when a card gets announced now my eyes are darting to Tanaka and Gucci and Komura and now he was a veteran presence on the roster like I'm looking at what he was doing and Casey is two generations removed from that and for as good of a few I mean it's like four generations real removed from my
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, there's 10-year gap between them and yet you would have had the 0809 guys you've got kicked out you would have had Teahawk has sort of a standalone guy and then the Millennials and then you know, lend them in into QA or you're right.
[SPEAKER_00]: A lot a lot of time pass there.
[SPEAKER_00]: So the goto thing
[SPEAKER_00]: the way that it was packaged, the way that it was presented, and the way that New Japan struck lightning in a bottle, captured lightning in a bottle, the night that go to one, it ended up being an incredibly feel good moment for everybody for all the wrestling.
[SPEAKER_00]: It was an amazing thing.
[SPEAKER_00]: I am the biggest New Japan critic there is, and I was standing in pacing for goto versus Zack Saber Jr.
[SPEAKER_00]: I just worry that,
[SPEAKER_00]: They're going to try to do that with KZ.
[SPEAKER_00]: And it's going to be the end of verse.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's going to be a nightmare scenario.
[SPEAKER_00]: And it's going to remind us how fragile dragon gate has become and how unspired this promotion is right now and how they don't trust anybody.
[SPEAKER_00]: born after 2000 and how it's going to be a real issue going forward.
[SPEAKER_00]: And for that reason, for it's critical, as I have been of Madoka Kukuta as Dreamgate champion, and let me be clear, I think he's been a horrible Dreamgate champion.
[SPEAKER_00]: I was thinking about the rollercoaster ride
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, for a guy that's been in wrestling for six years now, it's one of the more interesting career rocks of anybody in wrestling.
[SPEAKER_00]: There's always been something going on with Kukuta.
[SPEAKER_00]: It is amazing to me that his two lowest points as an active wrestler, let's not count the Dead or Alive 2021 Dreamgate match, but the two least interesting times in his career, the two times he's defended the Dreamgate belt at Kobe World, that being said, I think I would rather have Kukuta retain.
[SPEAKER_00]: What's one more dreamgate defense after this?
[SPEAKER_00]: What's two more?
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't think it matters because I don't think putting the bell on KZ is bringing 1500 people to cork in an August in September and October.
[SPEAKER_00]: I would rather them just continue to eat shit until they find the right guy to pick them off of the pavement.
[SPEAKER_01]: And Kakuda has a pretty open fight card just for the fact that he this is only his six defense considering he's held a belt since August.
[SPEAKER_01]: So Tanaka as we always said like he is feel so viable at this point for like these kinds of thing and then even I mean.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, you have Doy saying around there.
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, Yamato at a certain point, probably figures into that.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm not saying, but the belt on Yamato, but I'm saying, it's a 20th anniversary here.
[SPEAKER_01]: I would not be stunned if Yamato has a title defense before the end of 2026 for that reason.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I just don't like,
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, a KZ win at this point, which it feels insane to say considering KZ's career, and especially considering the last decade of his career, it feels manufactured.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I just, I'm kind of a coin flip.
[SPEAKER_01]: I totally see your part, your point about Doomsday with KZ as a obvious way, why you have no interest in him as champion here.
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know if they're capable of building up the person to pick them off the ground unless it's someone like Rho yet's not good.
[SPEAKER_00]: I just think it's that it's Tanaka.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it just staring at us in the face and I think you and I have watched enough wrestling over our lifetimes to look at this roster, look at the way that these guys are treated.
[SPEAKER_00]: For as much as we like sorting guys go, eh, maybe not them those time around.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's Tanaka.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's not, it's not complicated either.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's, he, he, Mike, I said when he debuted.
[SPEAKER_00]: I said this in May of 2023.
[SPEAKER_00]: He looks like he was created in a lab meant to produce dragon gate wrestlers.
[SPEAKER_01]: He's the future dream gate champion.
[SPEAKER_01]: He's the guy.
[SPEAKER_00]: It doesn't have to be at Kobe world, although I wish they would have done Kakuta versus Tanaka.
[SPEAKER_00]: I would love to rebook this entire card.
[SPEAKER_00]: We'll talk about that with a shoot match, but I wish it would have been Kakuta versus Tanaka.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's not.
[SPEAKER_00]: That doesn't mean it can't be at some point later this year where they do the right thing and they put the belt on Tanaka.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well speaking of Roya Tanaka, he is the semi-main of the enter of Kobe World this year, going for his 12th and record-breaking defense of the open-the-braved gate champion, he still has a bit to go on the length of a rain record, and he's defending against Amara, who all of a sudden seems to have Tanaka's number after essentially being absent any sort of victories for the two months since he lost his hair.
[SPEAKER_01]: The one thing that I could look at this card case and say this is the right move you should do this put this match here is putting this match second from the top because this is the match with the exception the triangle gate match that I feel like that there is a level of expectation at least every work wise that can't be beat down by heel bullshit.
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't even know that's funny.
[SPEAKER_00]: You said that I don't know if it's an expectation of in-ring work.
[SPEAKER_00]: I do think there's a level of investment in this match that maybe some people have for the twin gate match, maybe some people in the building, especially will have for the twin gate match.
[SPEAKER_00]: But I think in our bubble, I think in the, in the Dragon Gate channel on the voice to wrestling discord, this has to be everybody's most anticipated match.
[SPEAKER_00]: At least I would
[SPEAKER_00]: In part, I mean, I, I talked at length about just the, the horrors of homari's booking from Golden Coliseum at the end of April to him challenging for the Bravegate belt in just, it was a, it was a felony crime they committed against him.
[SPEAKER_00]: I can't believe they did all of the things they did do him that they did, but
[SPEAKER_00]: I will give them this and this is maybe some level of meta analysis where I'm factoring in my lack of trust with this booking department right now, I think Tanaka's going to win.
[SPEAKER_00]: Let me be very clear in the fact that Tanaka should absolutely win.
[SPEAKER_00]: Can't rule out Hommari when I get it's not real it out is that is in part the build in the excellent works that Hommari has been doing since this match with booked.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think that is also in part again meta analysis.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think that is the booking department making me a little bit nervous.
[SPEAKER_00]: But I will say this.
[SPEAKER_00]: I wanted them to do Tanaka versus Dragon Kid.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think if they could have waited had a filler defense at Corca to the Tanaka versus Doi, I think those matches.
[SPEAKER_00]: symbolically would have fit this show a little bit better, but I don't think I would have gotten the level of intrigue of, oh my god, Tanaka might lose tied with Pock, that a Dragon Kid match or a Doi match would have produced.
[SPEAKER_00]: So we credit to them because I am now on the edge of my seat, and this is far and away, far and away, the thing that I am most looking forward to on this show.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and I think like the thing I'm most looking forward to in a lot of ways is seeing Mara go from essentially, you know, before his second anniversary being able to be in the Kobe world main event.
[SPEAKER_01]: And we've seen shades of his proposed like Babyface offense, especially in the children's day match.
[SPEAKER_01]: And seeing him like start to really kind of embrace, you know, not having to do shoe and skywalkers, you know, being a second pursuant skywalker.
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, I mean, we've seen him really flush himself out as a wrestler.
[SPEAKER_01]: and seeing him in a match that I mean, hopefully goes 15 minutes, like just with the way that these shows are, like the, the, a Kobe world's usually about four hours long, but the undercard doesn't get a whole lot and things go pretty quickly up until the meat of the show.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think that like for him,
[SPEAKER_01]: look like I'm not I'm taking the idea of him as Brave Gate on champion off the table because of just we as you said we can't discount it but just really looking at this as just the match by itself.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think that this is the opportunity for this guy that I mean we've seen from Tanaka have these defenses of the Brave Gate and we've seen like against Doy and against others like these truly
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm ready for Hamari to have that kind of match.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I'm especially ready to see right afterwards after Roe, Tanaka splats him with the star-des press.
[SPEAKER_01]: Tanaka pull him up and go like, hey, here with me now.
[SPEAKER_01]: And we are going to start running this company and him in Komora and Hamari are off to the races and Tanaka good.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's, it's a match that again, it's sort of what we were talking about.
[SPEAKER_00]: We were coming into this show out of four and I think this match specifically is going to determine a lot of our feelings about the promotion going forward.
[SPEAKER_00]: We know what to expect from Tanaka at this point.
[SPEAKER_00]: I know he'll bring it on this stage.
[SPEAKER_00]: Homeara, I think we both have faith in, but there's a giant question mark hanging over his head in what his ceiling is in a singles match and without whom Skywalker.
[SPEAKER_00]: So, yes, absolutely.
[SPEAKER_00]: So, I hope they both deliver.
[SPEAKER_01]: Moving down the car, we have the open-the-twin gate title, the, uh, raining-to-champions team 204, e-shenio shiki kato versus what's currently known as say no tag.
[SPEAKER_01]: We will have an official name for the team, and maybe the unit that is going to come from this at the fan fest on the 19th, but the team of
[SPEAKER_01]: Yuki Oshioca, and the face turned Kota Manora, getting his continued vigilance on his former Gajadokuro tag team partners and stablemates and actually for things that have been build up towards this show.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think the face term for Kotaminora, and then his later alliance now of Yuki Yoshiyoka, probably, if we're going to acknowledge all the negatives, I think with Rio Saito's booking of this year, I think we do have to acknowledge that I don't really have many complaints about what they've done with Minora since he got turned on and how they've handled this since
[SPEAKER_00]: maintain that I think given just the the life that we've lived with these two guys.
[SPEAKER_00]: I do think they need new gear.
[SPEAKER_00]: I would prefer to see them both in tights just for the mental image refresh of it all just to have a little bit of a minute black eraser with these two, but.
[SPEAKER_00]: I've always enjoyed Yoshioka and a tag team.
[SPEAKER_00]: I've always enjoyed Minora and a tag team.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm not mentally at a spot where I want either of those guys to get a big singles push.
[SPEAKER_00]: So I'm okay with this.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm on board with this.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think right now, this is an abject net positive.
[SPEAKER_00]: The best case scenario that comes from this is Minora and Yoshioka, when clean, they look great
[SPEAKER_00]: We all celebrate we've got great new twin gate champions going forward.
[SPEAKER_00]: They can rest a lot here in Gucci.
[SPEAKER_00]: They can rest a little retake Jackie.
[SPEAKER_00]: They can do a different Gajah do Kuro pairing.
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, you could do Jason and Kai if you want to.
[SPEAKER_00]: You've got all the paradox guys waiting in the wing.
[SPEAKER_00]: You've got Montana for me to if you want to.
[SPEAKER_00]: The worst case scenario.
[SPEAKER_00]: is that the spatula's in the DQ, and at the belt are vacated, and then we do a tag league for the twin gate belts.
[SPEAKER_00]: And that is without question, something that would crush my soul.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it just feels like you do that.
[SPEAKER_01]: And if this tag team was formed before after Kobe World, and it was like, okay, we're gonna unite and do the twin gate league, I guess, to call it for lack of better words.
[SPEAKER_01]: And then they become champions after that.
[SPEAKER_01]: Then yeah, no, that's absolutely what you would do with that.
[SPEAKER_01]: But it just makes,
[SPEAKER_01]: It just feels like that there is actual motion behind Kotima Nora for the first time really in like four or five years in Yuki Yoshio because finally found kind of the lane that he needs to be in and it would be such a disservice to just have this be another, you know,
[SPEAKER_01]: titles are held up and it would be even more bummer to do so considering the overall situation of the triangle gate over the last three months, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: Like that would just be telling your fanbase in a lot of ways, oh, these titles are really props.
[SPEAKER_01]: These aren't things actually worth fighting for, because goofy stuff happens and you might be champion one day and not be championed the next day.
[SPEAKER_01]: what this company needs is more like stability.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I just go into that tagly idea just really bumps me out.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's something that I don't think we can ignore.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's the type of thing that they have it.
[SPEAKER_00]: Don, yes, the triangle gate belts were just vacated, but they were vacated out of stupidity.
[SPEAKER_00]: And this twin gate thing is like, well, it's an angle.
[SPEAKER_00]: We're telling a story here.
[SPEAKER_00]: We're going to delay the great win of Menorra in Yoshioca, whereas we can just rip the band-aid off and do it at world and without thinking.
[SPEAKER_00]: Again, I just rattle off a bunch of teams that I would be interested in,
[SPEAKER_00]: In seeing them defend against, you know, I give me manure and yo she'll cover says for me to Monte.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think that's a really interesting match.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think all the vibes guys in this spot would be a really interesting match.
[SPEAKER_00]: So
[SPEAKER_00]: We've got it all the mileage we can.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think at this current time, out of the Eastern and Cato.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think they've been a very good tag team that has been dealt a bad hand.
[SPEAKER_00]: Somehow, the hardest, both of those guys have ever been pushed is the weakest creative they've been served with.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think it's affected Eastern a little bit that more has Cato, I think Cato's actually had a really, really strong year.
[SPEAKER_00]: We've now told the story of this team.
[SPEAKER_00]: They can lose their belts gracefully.
[SPEAKER_00]: We can move on.
[SPEAKER_00]: I would hope that if there's going to be one match with powder and box attacks and referee in our parents, I would hope it's this match.
[SPEAKER_00]: I have far more leniency for that in a twin gate setting that I do a dream gate setting, especially at Kobe World.
[SPEAKER_00]: So if this is your car crash, attitude, era, style, a twin gate match, bring it on.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm okay with that as long as it ends with the high fly flow.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yeah, no, I'm with you on that, and you know,
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know how much I really like the idea also of them being at just a tag team.
[SPEAKER_01]: I would really like to see what else you could add to this and I feel like this is an opportunity not to completely rewrite the narrative on them.
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't think that's possible given the history with this, but I do feel like that this could be a
[SPEAKER_01]: how the proposed leadership has completely outright failed.
[SPEAKER_01]: And maybe it's not that that's so far gone.
[SPEAKER_01]: And it's not that we expect Yoshioka in order to kind of be the leaders that were proposed three years ago.
[SPEAKER_01]: But there seems to be a value in an undercurrent here that just seems like it would be such a misopportunity not to take advantage of.
[SPEAKER_00]: very much so yeah I don't I don't want to see decurge 2.0 with the Oceoca in just a partner in the original incarnation of decurge I give me a minute you got plenty of guys on the sidelines right now and God forbid we split up paradox or we we put mochizuki in a unit or we just put somebody to give them I mean you know it's been almost two years of monetized been in the unit you know he's allowed to be in one it's something some sort of change would be nice no I am totally with you on this
[SPEAKER_01]: As they start to celebrate his 20th anniversary, we have a 12-man tag for Yamato as he teams up with the entirety of Paradox at Yamato, Dragon Kid, BB Hulks, Assumia Koska, Kagatora, Nuruki Doy, versus the Torimon Generation team of Masaki Mochizuki, Azushi, Kanda, Don Fuji, allegedly, he's been injured.
[SPEAKER_01]: Ginki Horiguchi, Ultimo Dragon, and making his co-hat world return
[SPEAKER_00]: What an odd match, what an odd placement for this match.
[SPEAKER_00]: It is the least interesting thing.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think you could have done with the Amados 20th anniversary.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's really high up on the card.
[SPEAKER_00]: I wish they would have flipped this with the triangle gate match.
[SPEAKER_00]: This is just the type, I can't figure this one out.
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, in theory, it's nice that all the old guys are in one match, because that prevents a Genki-horro Gucci from challenging for the dream gate belt.
[SPEAKER_00]: But there's something about this, just I don't this is an ice ore on this car when I look at it on paper.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it feels like a match that should be match three, not match five and it's your motto and I get them is 20th anniversary and I get that.
[SPEAKER_00]: But if you're going to put it here.
[SPEAKER_00]: You gotta give me something else.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm gonna get, I can't, I can't believe that it's not paradox versus natural vibes in Yamato versus Gucci for the triangle gate belts on this show.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm sick to my stomach thinking about the wasted potential there.
[SPEAKER_00]: But for all of the Kobe worlds, which is most of them that have big guests, some of whom have come into a wrestle Yamato, I'm just shocked at how chalk this matches and how just sort of bland it is.
[SPEAKER_01]: it does kind of make me wonder so one of the things that was announced that last face was and I don't have the exact date of it out in front of me right now case but at Yamato's anniversary show or homecoming show that's coming up in a latte I think it's in September it is it's going to be shingo te kagi versus Yamato and that feels like the a 20th anniversary match of I ever heard of one much more so than this 12-man tag.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's like, yeah, well, it's not available.
[SPEAKER_00]: There's not a G1 show on this night.
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't think.
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, it's a holiday.
[SPEAKER_00]: There's got to be a G1 show.
[SPEAKER_00]: Let me, let me see here.
[SPEAKER_00]: Hold on, because I'm curious now.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's just, I don't know.
[SPEAKER_00]: This match feels out of place on this show.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's just weird.
[SPEAKER_00]: No, there's not July 19th, Hokkaido, July 21st,
[SPEAKER_01]: that would be a rough travel day.
[SPEAKER_00]: That would be a single he can do it.
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, I mean, there's one person that I feel like that would go from Hokkaido to Kobe and back up to Sendai, it would be Shingo to Kagi, but yeah, it just feels like to me that they're, again, like maybe this is me making excuses and I should really stop and just say facts that this is bad booking, but it makes me wonder if like there was a plane for a different
[SPEAKER_00]: It does give the impression that something fell through.
[SPEAKER_00]: What I don't know what that would have been.
[SPEAKER_00]: But I do have a hard time believing this was plan A. I mean, if you want to get condo in the match, that's fine.
[SPEAKER_00]: But do Yamada versus Susumu and Conda?
[SPEAKER_00]: That would be more interesting as an anniversary match.
[SPEAKER_00]: No, this is this big, bloated tag match, who cares?
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, the most terrible it's doing what they need to do for Yamato and then making sure that all the veterans are kind of sequestered into one match or at least like figuring out what all they're doing on this show in one fell swoop.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, that's the positive of it, but it's just it's a strange match on paper.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's it uglies up this card.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's just sort of right in the middle
[SPEAKER_00]: with a business end that I'm actually kind of excited about and an undercard that could over deliver this match just it's right at the middle of something that I do not care about and why would you do a twelve-man tag right after you do a three-way six-man at that's that's the least of their concerns I mean like this is just more and more making need of conspiracy minded guess conspiracy minded as to
[SPEAKER_01]: I think that that I would love to know what the various versions of what this card were before we got the version that came to us after the Corkin earlier this month.
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, it's always a good chance to talk about always a good time to talk about what I would have done differently with Shun Skywalker on this show.
[SPEAKER_01]: Right, because what we are doing of ShunSky Walker is an SSW Dragon Gate Kobe final international special six-man tag team match three way, it is the former Cypatra pairing of ShunSky Walker Johnny Valetta and LCLO versus the Mexican team of Flamita, Luis Monte and Dragonbane versus the heel team of Kai Jason Lee and Alpha Wolf.
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh boy, I don't know this, I should be excited about this and I am just not excited about this at all.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's just like the entire way of the Shun Skywalker departure tour has left a bad taste in my mouth with a lot of kind of things here, but having Johnny Valletta come back and do that three-minute match and then say like we're going to reunite Cypatra once more
[SPEAKER_01]: As much as I enjoy Mante and Fometa teaming with each other and the team Mexico stuff, I don't want to, I'm done with that.
[SPEAKER_01]: I want to see Mante move on.
[SPEAKER_01]: I want to see Fometa in a different kind of context here.
[SPEAKER_01]: uh... low school of a door is showing up here i mean they've been in and out this promotion at times throughout the few years they don't feel like big guests they don't feel like special guest for shinskai walkers uh... final co-bay world match and then kai and that jason lee are just wedges in here it's just dumb you know
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I completely forgot Alpha Wolf and Dragon Bay and we're on the show and then you said their names like that can't be right.
[SPEAKER_00]: I pulled up the card real quick because I didn't have it in the front of me.
[SPEAKER_00]: I was like, oh no, I guess they are.
[SPEAKER_00]: Here's the thing, the shoe match that I want, would have required complete card restructuring,
[SPEAKER_00]: And it also maybe would have been contradictory to the point I made about making sure that Common Rita are in a big match on this show.
[SPEAKER_00]: The match to do on this show was Skywalker and Montaversus, Common Rita, in the match before in her mission.
[SPEAKER_00]: can and be damned, don't need a story, don't care.
[SPEAKER_00]: That was the match to do.
[SPEAKER_00]: If you insist on bringing Valetta back for whatever reason, and again, I love the guy, but his right-off should have been the dream gate challenge in December, do Skywalker and Valetta versus Kame and Rita.
[SPEAKER_00]: Any other thing, I am not really interested in.
[SPEAKER_00]: If you, if you were going to do some weird, sci-patra closing angle, and you want to do Skywalker and Gianni versus Humara and Cielo, obviously that requires massive card restructuring, I could at least sort of bite into that app a little bit.
[SPEAKER_00]: There's nothing for you to chew on in this match.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think it's bizarre.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think it sucks that we're probably never going to see skywalker and coming in skywalker and reto do anything of substance ever again.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I'm a little upset by it.
[SPEAKER_00]: This is just an odd, non-canon, non-sequitor match that I am not emotionally attached to in any way.
[SPEAKER_00]: And it really sucks to think about a shooting skywalk or match it, Kobe world that I am not emotionally attached to in any way.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, my idea was, if everyone's really playing nice, bring in Shima, do Shima versus Skywalker because that's a match that really never has done before.
[SPEAKER_01]: Never really happened again.
[SPEAKER_01]: If Shima is getting back and everyone's good books or at least like his meeting and his getting his way in as like the Japanese, Jeff Jar once again, go for Skywalker, at least get something interesting here with it, but I would be, yeah,
[SPEAKER_00]: Again, I think they're saving that for the retirement match.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think he'll retire in a drink, it rings next May, and we'll all cry, and it'll be okay.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm not sure how on the table that was, but I know there had to have been a better option than this.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I say that knowing that Ben Kay is injured and I think Ben being hurt, I think has really thrown some of the skywalker stuff, the farewell stuff out of whack, because Yoshioka's in a very specific angle right now,
[SPEAKER_00]: All of the class of 2016, there's a story with Skywalker and Heo, but those guys have more distance between them than Skywalker and Yoshioka and Skywalker and Ben.
[SPEAKER_00]: So Ben, sitting out, really hurt some of the stuff, but also Ben's injury is not new.
[SPEAKER_00]: And you had three months from when Ben got hurt to now to book a more interesting match.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, no, I mean.
[SPEAKER_01]: these two matches with 21 people in them do really feel like, hey, outside the title picture, we don't really have plans for anyone else on this show.
[SPEAKER_00]: But I don't know, like, I mean, other than putting the old guys in a dark match or in just a different opening match and maybe you extend the card out to nine matches instead of eight.
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, he'll come in, Rita are in a big match.
[SPEAKER_00]: Gucci's in a big match.
[SPEAKER_00]: Cotto and E-Shin and U-Shio can manure.
[SPEAKER_00]: Those guys are in the right spot.
[SPEAKER_00]: The brave people, those guys are in the right spot.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's, they just found a cluster of guys with nothing to do when they shove them all together.
[SPEAKER_00]: Now, I'm with you.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think the Yamato match in particular was not the first plan.
[SPEAKER_00]: But I don't, you know, I mean, we're missing out on maybe something with Flamita, but there's no, there's no hate first world.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, yeah, you're right.
[SPEAKER_00]: But there's no great injustices being done outside of just bad booking.
[SPEAKER_00]: It would be different if the Yamato Anniversary match was Yamato, kid, baby Hulk, Susuma, Kagatura, Dway, versus, and I'm gonna use it a very specific order.
[SPEAKER_00]: Ultimo, Oregon, Ganky, Kami Rita.
[SPEAKER_00]: I would blow a gasket at that.
[SPEAKER_00]: That would be terrible, but that's not what's happening.
[SPEAKER_00]: These are just uninteresting matches, but I also don't know especially with the lack of focus on the undercards this year.
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, these are not full shows.
[SPEAKER_00]: There's all these comedy undercard matches, because there's no undercard angles happening right now.
[SPEAKER_00]: I just don't know what else you would have done.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, no.
[SPEAKER_01]: And to be fair, it's not like the undercard.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's on Kobe world shows even in peak Dragon Gate periods.
[SPEAKER_01]: It was not like that there were not matches that just get everyone on the card there.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I mean, you know, there, look, there's a version of this card that doesn't have veleta and that doesn't have Dragon Bay and an Alpha Wolf and that doesn't have Arrakand and maybe Fuji and Ganky are in a dark match and you figure out
[SPEAKER_00]: you know, some sort of ultimo claustrophac and the undercard.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's just to it's you want to it is it's get everybody on the show matches, but their matches four and five not matches one and two or two and three.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, and they're before the Open the Triangle Gate Championship match, where to decide the 100th Triangle Gate Championship, you have natural vibes, strong machine J, UT and Gucci versus CEO, Ajaki, Kameh and Rita of Love and Peace, like it breaks up the title matches in a very bizarre kind of way.
[SPEAKER_00]: It does.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm really just the point in the card placement for this show.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think this match in the open or do have a chance to be pretty spectacular, but I would have felt more comfortable with this card and I would have been much more excited for this card.
[SPEAKER_00]: Had this been match five and not match three.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and especially with the idea of
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, I don't think it's unfair to speculate that they might have sold the triangle gate belts for that run in Ryuku dragon that like there's no heat, there's no real action to this whatsoever.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's kind of notable that you tease in the slot and not a hockey, but like there's not any belt to this other than these were the two teams that said, hey, we would like the triangle gate belts and we wanted to fight to become the champions.
[SPEAKER_00]: Do you have a preference of winner here?
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, heo and Jackie Rita.
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_00]: All right.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm very curious to see.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I think though when curious to see what heo does with Gucci.
[SPEAKER_01]: And curious to see if there's any room given there.
[SPEAKER_00]: If there's a final say that, you know, heo, heo, heo is probably pinning him with the Samson driver.
[SPEAKER_00]: But I'm really curious to see what that last 90 seconds looks like.
[SPEAKER_00]: And if it's those two in the ring.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, that is your double underlying matchup to watch here.
[SPEAKER_01]: And honestly, like looking at like the title matches and like the matchups, like in the in the twin gate, also that is probably my most anticipated matchup in the title matches to be fair.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like it does not feel like it's trotted ground and it seems like this, especially Gucci who is probably like most improved 2026 considering how good he was in 2025, you know?
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, he took a leap that I mean, I've been one of those most ardent supporters and I didn't see this coming.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and with heo who has, I mean, if you take it out to five years, is the most improved wrestler in the promotion over that time period.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think that that's really interesting.
[SPEAKER_01]: UT and Rita, that's always kind of fine with the two grapplers out of the pairings here.
[SPEAKER_01]: And, you know, a strong machine J, like looming in this match, does make me fear of that,
[SPEAKER_01]: Tokyo Hector Infinite Hector Pascal is going to be a man invented by KZ vs.
[SPEAKER_01]: Newly Heal, Sean Machine J.
[SPEAKER_01]: Because he feels like wedged in here.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, very much so.
[SPEAKER_00]: Very much so.
[SPEAKER_01]: Jero Shimbashi's summer bonus special singles match is against someone who has a level of familiarity to be on these Kobe world shows.
[SPEAKER_01]: Jero Shimbashi vs. Masakatsu Fanaki.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I'm over the giro stuff.
[SPEAKER_00]: Had me lost me.
[SPEAKER_00]: Had me again.
[SPEAKER_00]: The kick guitar is a match.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's too much.
[SPEAKER_01]: The kick of taro matches where he lost me because it was 12 minutes long.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, I get it.
[SPEAKER_00]: The train stations, I got it.
[SPEAKER_00]: They're going to do the kind of match, whatever.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's too much, too much.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, I miss him.
[SPEAKER_01]: The idea of him doing stuff with the rest of the roster, and not just that.
[SPEAKER_01]: Maybe he,
[SPEAKER_01]: Maybe they don't think he's able to do stuff for the rest of the roster.
[SPEAKER_01]: They go, like, okay, you just do this now, who's to say at this point?
[SPEAKER_01]: The opener of the show is an unaffiliated young guy's tag match, mochizuki, junior, and Kazuma Komora versus Ria Fuda and Aki.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's this could be awesome.
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, I think it's unfortunate that Ria Fuda's and the pinnating spot here, but I think Komora's going to come in.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I think Komora's going to kill him.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, that's why I really hope that he does.
[SPEAKER_01]: So out of all the guys in the handsome battle royal, I have to say, Kamora, I did not respect your game beforehand.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like he looked like like, he was like one that only like guys I was like, okay, I totally imagine that this Judo Sambo guy just walks around this way and it's just kind of cool as hell.
[SPEAKER_00]: And a joke that was, only for me and Jay, Jay to describe him as 1997 Tom Penny, and that was just an astonishing reference, and he was so right in that, but it didn't necessarily fit the rest of the motif of that handsome battle royal.
[SPEAKER_01]: No, no, no, no.
[SPEAKER_01]: And our advanced match probably will not be shown in full, hopefully we get to at least see some parts of it.
[SPEAKER_01]: It is the Kobe World debut of Tristan Moody, as he's teaming with the Kung Fu Masters, Hoho, London, Reach, Thoma, Naga versus Sachi, Hoko, Boy, Takashi, and Mondai, Ryu, the old trio of true blunts.
[SPEAKER_00]: We'll see what Moody has to offer.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm very excited to see what he can bring to Kobe.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: He will make tape over the two shows that they're doing before Kobe world.
[SPEAKER_01]: He's been over at least for this week.
[SPEAKER_01]: It seems he was not on the, he was not on the last face, of course.
[SPEAKER_01]: But
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm really kind of intrigued.
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, he's a guy from my old neck of the woods.
[SPEAKER_01]: And he seems to have, at least from the clips he's posted online.
[SPEAKER_01]: I've not seen a full match of him at this point.
[SPEAKER_01]: He seems to have at least something that a potential to go with here.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm looking at the Kobe Sumble Hall show.
[SPEAKER_01]: He's in the opener with Junior and Monteverse's Futa, Takashi, and Mocha Zuki on that one.
[SPEAKER_01]: on the Kyoto show, this actually I'm going to make some time for.
[SPEAKER_01]: Tanaka and Kamura versus Samara and Moody as the opener.
[SPEAKER_00]: That sounds like a lot of fun.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, so he's going to be making tape and I think that that's a good sign at least for this.
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, there are guys who have gone over there and we don't hear about until years later.
[SPEAKER_01]: And then, you know, there's there's someone who knocks them dead in audition match.
[SPEAKER_01]: And then now he is going to wrestle, I probably from the biggest crowd of his career at this point.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like, even with Kobe World and Dragon Gate where it is, I mean, I, to my awareness, I don't think he's been in front of like two thousand three thousand people crowds.
[SPEAKER_00]: No, I would not imagine so.
[SPEAKER_01]: And that's the Kobe world preview that the show again is on Monday.
[SPEAKER_01]: A ticket sales, they looked like that they were moving last week.
[SPEAKER_01]: Case, I took a screenshot just so I can compare to see things going.
[SPEAKER_01]: It is not worth going into now because they clearly opened up more seats.
[SPEAKER_01]: It seems like that I don't have a beat on what ticket sales are moving, but they had two sections that were sold out that they have reopened again for it.
[SPEAKER_01]: With the way that this year goes, I can't guess what would be considered a good number for this.
[SPEAKER_01]: What do you think would just all top ahead would be a good number for this show?
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, let me look and see what they did last year hold on.
[SPEAKER_00]: I've got that pulled up.
[SPEAKER_00]: So last year they did 4890.
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, God.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think 4,000 is a win.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, that I was going to say 3,500 to 4,000 would they did 47 95 two years ago they did 48 last year I guess just for fun I'll go back to 2023 and they did 51 50 oh boy.
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, okay.
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, but I you know, I guess I guess they got they got to be praying for like 42 or 43 hundred.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think 4,000 might actually be caused for concern
[SPEAKER_00]: So let's say 40 to 42, 50 is our bell one for 42, 50 is we go out to the bar after we have one drink and we go home.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, if it's a full of it, 1000, we're drinking ourselves to death and sadness 46 to 5,000.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm doing body shots off of you.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think that is it's a bell curve basically.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, yeah, it's all right.
[SPEAKER_00]: Good work.
[SPEAKER_00]: I shake your hand.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's Kobe world.
[SPEAKER_00]: Let's go have a beer and then we're going to go our separate ways and get to work the next day.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, haven't really night watched.
[SPEAKER_01]: Go to the hotel.
[SPEAKER_01]: See what's what's on shark tank.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it gets blasted by the hotel air conditioning.
[SPEAKER_00]: See what's like, yeah, you can kind of hear Cubans offer.
[SPEAKER_00]: It kind of not the air conditioning is super super loud.
[SPEAKER_00]: We'll get back to work the next day.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, that's what that number is.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, no, I'm with you on that.
[SPEAKER_01]: And the next time you'll hear us review Kobe world will be on one day later.
[SPEAKER_01]: We're shooting for a Wednesday record time.
[SPEAKER_00]: So sorry, sorry.
[SPEAKER_00]: Drangator cider on a Monday this year.
[SPEAKER_00]: It just it screws up the entire thing.
[SPEAKER_01]: What is the national holiday?
[SPEAKER_00]: Nothing worth running Kobe world on a Monday for because there's not a G1 show that day.
[SPEAKER_00]: So it can't be that big of a deal.
[SPEAKER_01]: Hey, no, I, I, I, I just like to see if it's something like Marine Day or like respect for the age, you know, the, the, those little things provide little spice, but what's the day?
[SPEAKER_01]: I did not pull it up here, but I'll have it for us for Thursday.
[SPEAKER_00]: Washer live Sunday morning we wash in the afternoon we talk about it Sunday night We're done with it for the week.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's Marine Day.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's not even cultured days and I even children say it's celebrating the ocean.
[SPEAKER_01]: We can't trust the ocean.
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, so you know my theory is my feelings about the ocean.
[SPEAKER_00]: But one of the many things you're paranoid about it was just to finally sell.
[SPEAKER_01]: We know more about our space than we know about the ocean.
[SPEAKER_00]: That is terrifying.
[SPEAKER_00]: That is absolutely awful.
[SPEAKER_00]: And Kobe World's on a Monday this year, which is really throws off my entire week.
[SPEAKER_00]: So, we'll be back next week.
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, bigger show with the air.
[SPEAKER_00]: We'll see how we'll see what our tone is like next week.
[SPEAKER_00]: Again, we're going into it at the forge.
[SPEAKER_00]: We could leave it once.
[SPEAKER_00]: We could leave it eights.
[SPEAKER_00]: And neither would really surprise me.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, no, I did check just because I was interested in seeing this because of someone if they were going to make the trip from one place to another, that's not Shinko Takagi.
[SPEAKER_01]: Osaka Pro starts at the same time as Dragon Gate, and Shima isn't booked on that show.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's Osaka Pro Show.
[SPEAKER_00]: looks really fun.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I am really, really excited for Matsufusa versus our Insano.
[SPEAKER_00]: I am really excited.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I think it's, I think it's Sano's match.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think it's Sano too.
[SPEAKER_01]: I, I, I, I'm into our new Osaka Blue beefy boy.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's awesome.
[SPEAKER_00]: That whole crew, Matsufusa and Mazuna and Sano, I am so into.
[SPEAKER_00]: Good for them.
[SPEAKER_00]: That Osaka Pro.
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, it is weird to think that there are two wrestling promotions.
[SPEAKER_00]: I have enjoyed this year, and they are AEW and Osaka Pro.
[SPEAKER_00]: But that is where we are at.
[SPEAKER_01]: That is where we are at.
[SPEAKER_01]: Maybe we can start the second half of Dragon Gates year with on a strong note here at Kobe World and come back on Wednesday and say, hey, we exit it on an eight, but case I am prepared for a therapy session if we come back here on Wednesday and it's a one.
[SPEAKER_01]: Let's do it.
[SPEAKER_01]: Alright, you can follow us on social media both Twitter and Blue Sky at Open Voice Gate.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We have our own Open The Voice Gate channel there, we have show notes and all of that stuff as well as the Dragon Gate channel that I'm certain on Monday will be full of people staying up and chatting and watching the show live together with that.
[SPEAKER_01]: as well, but we'll be back with you next Wednesday.
[SPEAKER_01]: We'll see you next time, take care.