WEBVTT 00:00.858 --> 00:03.227 [SPEAKER_00]: brought to you by BedroomBattlefume.com. 00:03.468 --> 00:06.158 [SPEAKER_00]: This is the table top miniature movie podcast. 00:16.027 --> 00:27.139 [SPEAKER_00]: Earlier this year, David from New Zealand posted some pictures on the Bedroom Battlefield's Discord community of a really devastating flood at his neighborhood and his house. 00:28.060 --> 00:33.526 [SPEAKER_00]: There was photos of one particular photo which got picked up and news outlets all across the world 00:37.870 --> 00:47.533 [SPEAKER_00]: Just photos of the street, you know, the water was really high, loads of basements and stuff flooded, including David's own basement, which had all these hobby stuff in it. 00:48.153 --> 01:04.118 [SPEAKER_00]: So yeah, it's been a tough old time for them and he's had a few months to kind of pick up the pieces and just, you know, get back to normality or some semblance of it at this stage, you know, it's still not that long ago that happened, I think it was April. 01:04.818 --> 01:26.755 [SPEAKER_00]: so yeah David reached out and he was keen to come on and have a wee chat about it and you know I was really interested as well just to find out where he was at with everything and how he was keen to get him back on track not just with his hobby but obviously his life as well so yeah here's David now and he'll talk us through exactly what happened and how it paned out from there 01:27.483 --> 01:46.114 [SPEAKER_01]: I live in Wellington, New Zealand, which is a, but much like Britain, it's an island nation, and a lot like Britain, it gets its fear, copper rain, and when, and I'm predictable with the patterns, and I guess with, you know, the impact climate change, one of the, 01:47.234 --> 01:59.658 [SPEAKER_01]: fortunate consequences that we're seeing and our sort of the South Pacific is more extreme severe weather events and there's been a number of the last few years that has hit New Zealand. 02:00.119 --> 02:01.939 [SPEAKER_01]: In some cases, quite dramatically. 02:02.539 --> 02:05.720 [SPEAKER_01]: In our case, and yeah, like I said, towards the end of April, 02:08.146 --> 02:23.376 [SPEAKER_01]: an unexpected deluge, our very localized part of our city Wellington, and we received something like, I think, 70 millimeters of water or milliliters of water in an hour. 02:24.457 --> 02:33.162 [SPEAKER_01]: And for those who don't know Wellington's quite a helly city, so when it rains like that, the water will just pour 02:35.442 --> 02:54.615 [SPEAKER_01]: And this case had overwhelmed the stormwater system and at about, I don't know, I think it was 3 a.m. in the morning, my wife worked me up and I said, wake me up because we have a toddler and she came, she'd already come into our bed and I'd gone into her bed, so that everyone could try to go to sleep. 02:55.316 --> 03:01.480 [SPEAKER_01]: So I was, literally, unaware, but my wife woke me up in about three a.m. and said, Dave, the cars are moving, I was like, what? 03:02.200 --> 03:08.641 [SPEAKER_01]: And I jumped out of bed, and I laughed about it now, but at the time it was pretty intense. 03:09.141 --> 03:16.703 [SPEAKER_01]: We went to look out for Windows, so it was pitch black, raining, and the water was just coming up and up and up. 03:16.783 --> 03:25.425 [SPEAKER_01]: And our street, because it's early, we looked down the indoor streets, so it backs onto almost like a little basin type area. 03:26.509 --> 03:42.653 [SPEAKER_01]: As we know, with basins, they fell up with water until the plug gets pulled and the water drains and the bottom of our street, unfortunately, the stormwater system was over capacity, but it just basically failed all around our neighborhood. 03:43.553 --> 03:49.734 [SPEAKER_01]: And so, we remember there was a basin that water just came up and up and up for us. 03:50.834 --> 03:53.475 [SPEAKER_01]: We were pretty fortunate in that our house 03:55.055 --> 04:11.499 [SPEAKER_01]: Although we are down at the west in a district to be hit, it was up high enough that the flood waters didn't hit our living areas, so luckily our bedrooms, kitchen, bathrooms were safe. 04:12.900 --> 04:22.322 [SPEAKER_01]: Whereas our downstairs underneath our house where our store or my managers, where we store sports equipment, we had a laundry, all that was taken out in the flood waters. 04:26.081 --> 04:40.282 [SPEAKER_01]: As we started the next morning, we began to see the full extent of the damage because with flood waters, it's not just the water itself, it's all the other bits of dirt. 04:41.043 --> 04:41.903 [SPEAKER_01]: could be sewerage. 04:41.963 --> 04:42.703 [SPEAKER_01]: You just don't know. 04:42.823 --> 04:43.924 [SPEAKER_01]: It's picked up in this water. 04:45.244 --> 04:46.424 [SPEAKER_01]: It's a health hazard. 04:46.444 --> 04:48.325 [SPEAKER_01]: You have to treat this as being toxic. 04:48.785 --> 04:51.366 [SPEAKER_01]: That's just went all through the bottom underneath the house. 04:51.586 --> 04:59.108 [SPEAKER_01]: It went completely through some of our neighbors' houses who unfortunately basically probably lost about 90% of their positions. 04:59.908 --> 05:02.129 [SPEAKER_01]: So we were waking up on a Monday morning. 05:02.649 --> 05:02.789 [SPEAKER_01]: We're 05:07.928 --> 05:23.521 [SPEAKER_01]: After the flight of wood is subsided, we were in the, and now, and our gumboots, so the Wellington's as you brits like to say, going downstairs, starting to assist the damage, and my neighbor, message us and see it. 05:23.801 --> 05:27.164 [SPEAKER_01]: By the way, if you want to know where your car is, it's on the fence at the end of the road. 05:29.506 --> 05:30.367 [SPEAKER_01]: That's like what? 05:31.247 --> 05:31.968 [SPEAKER_01]: And sure enough. 05:34.192 --> 05:36.273 [SPEAKER_01]: walked out of our house. 05:36.413 --> 05:38.454 [SPEAKER_01]: Two houses down was this the end of our street. 05:38.674 --> 05:42.156 [SPEAKER_01]: It's a backs on to a, a bit, it's a bit of a code of sex. 05:42.176 --> 05:45.698 [SPEAKER_01]: So this car was just placed up on the, 05:47.463 --> 06:11.375 [SPEAKER_01]: On the, on the, our native's fence and it was a really surreal because during the rains, we could actually start seeing, we saw the cars starting to lift up and water bobbing around floating off it was like a massive stew, if you could imagine like just a tempest of, I don't know, bits and bobs floating around cars and. 06:12.378 --> 06:29.930 [SPEAKER_01]: They, it just goes to shows like that the amount of water we had in our street managed to lift our car out of our car port down onto the road and then about 30 or 40 meters down the street and it just so happened that landed on top of a fence. 06:30.191 --> 06:37.236 [SPEAKER_01]: And once that happened and once those first boaters started coming out we were really like 06:38.459 --> 06:53.099 [SPEAKER_01]: with by journalists saying like oh we want to come talk to you can you come talk to us and so we invited some some tough to come and have a look around they looked around their neighborhood they took some photos took some quotes 06:53.700 --> 07:07.724 [SPEAKER_01]: And then, yeah, weirdly, or maybe unsurprisingly, because of the way that Kai had ended on the fence, it just became like the picture associated with these floods, and it kind of went around the world. 07:08.884 --> 07:21.388 [SPEAKER_01]: It went first or the New Zealand media, then people were like, oh, you made the New York Times or the BBC, or wherever else, but yeah, it was a pretty crazy event. 07:24.356 --> 07:30.901 [SPEAKER_01]: And one that, I guess you just don't, one you, you never want to go, anyone to go through that kind of kind of thing. 07:32.802 --> 07:40.128 [SPEAKER_01]: And I mean, we, our family, we feel pretty lucky that we weren't more severely affected. 07:40.688 --> 07:42.249 [SPEAKER_01]: We're lucky that we can live in our house. 07:42.850 --> 07:45.912 [SPEAKER_01]: Some of our neighbors are still, you know, they're probably out of their houses for, 07:47.350 --> 07:53.378 [SPEAKER_01]: probably until the end of the year, at least because they have to repair so much or they have to make decisions about whether to move back in. 07:54.659 --> 08:03.711 [SPEAKER_01]: So it's been a really big event that's hit the whole, the whole about sort of part of the city. 08:05.595 --> 08:07.336 [SPEAKER_01]: pretty surreal to live through, I think. 08:07.516 --> 08:07.777 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. 08:08.737 --> 08:09.018 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. 08:09.938 --> 08:19.045 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, yeah, what I think it goes through and you could obviously look back on it now, about the time it just must have been, you know, you must have been feeling all sorts of emotions. 08:19.245 --> 08:19.666 [SPEAKER_00]: None of them. 08:20.046 --> 08:20.266 [SPEAKER_00]: Good. 08:21.667 --> 08:35.458 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm not going to be crashing and you know, say that your miniature collection or that would have been one of the first things that you thought about but eventually you must of you don't once you made sure the family was safe and dealt with with your priorities. 08:35.518 --> 08:37.840 [SPEAKER_00]: So what was what was King of the script there? 08:38.861 --> 08:40.883 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, so we were lucky. 08:40.903 --> 08:44.766 [SPEAKER_01]: There was no immediate risk to our family to life and women. 08:44.826 --> 08:47.148 [SPEAKER_01]: I think what's we knew our neighbors were safe? 08:51.383 --> 08:56.086 [SPEAKER_01]: Assessing what's the damage and in our case, I think. 08:57.387 --> 09:10.677 [SPEAKER_01]: So we have some an internal staircase staircase that goes down to our basement level and I knew that it was not going to be good because we'd seen how high the water had got in terms of how far to come up the stairs. 09:11.317 --> 09:15.760 [SPEAKER_01]: So we knew that it was just probably going to be a real miss and that was. 09:16.821 --> 09:17.662 [SPEAKER_01]: We had. 09:19.543 --> 09:30.997 [SPEAKER_01]: what we'd seen was the worry of kind of like picked up and tapped over shelving units that unfortunately hadn't been secured to the wall and in a lot of cases that was where quite a lot of boxes of meditures, mediture terrain. 09:32.859 --> 09:33.239 [SPEAKER_01]: Luckily, 09:34.249 --> 09:37.091 [SPEAKER_01]: Luckily not books, I'd recently renovated our house. 09:37.131 --> 09:50.102 [SPEAKER_01]: So all the books were upstairs, but yet I've gone to one of the first, I knew that it was going to be bad, and it was a matter of just going down and kind of seeing just how bad things were. 09:50.202 --> 09:58.708 [SPEAKER_01]: And I think when it's this kind of weather events, it's interesting how random the destruction can be or the impact on. 10:00.187 --> 10:09.530 [SPEAKER_01]: or terrain or other gaming aids equipment can be in that some boxes, if they were high enough up, we're fine. 10:11.130 --> 10:17.712 [SPEAKER_01]: Other boxes, you know, with some rich totally in water, others heads, 10:19.053 --> 10:25.237 [SPEAKER_01]: probably have been all right except that Ben sort of lifted up by the flood waters shifted and then dropped. 10:25.737 --> 10:36.363 [SPEAKER_01]: And so you get a whole range of water damage, you get things being broken, you get the whole issue of light. 10:37.473 --> 10:43.015 [SPEAKER_01]: these things are toxic, so you have to treat them as being toxic because you don't know what's been in the water. 10:43.496 --> 10:51.039 [SPEAKER_01]: So, yeah, it was one of the things I had in the back of my mind was just like, this is going to, this is going to in me. 10:52.039 --> 11:00.763 [SPEAKER_01]: This is, this could potentially have ended my, my, my Harvey been in there and many respects in terms of just the potential for, for destruction, 11:04.752 --> 11:25.577 [SPEAKER_01]: And probably we can get into this and more detail if you're really interested that I guess the good thing about my collection was predominantly what I had a plastic and middle minis and they can actually take the clean up process it pretty robust so I mean particularly middle minatures can take. 11:26.997 --> 11:27.818 [SPEAKER_01]: being washed in. 11:28.038 --> 11:31.841 [SPEAKER_01]: So people would have been sterilized and bleached quite well. 11:32.622 --> 11:35.824 [SPEAKER_01]: And once you've done that, they're okay to handle. 11:36.325 --> 11:48.195 [SPEAKER_01]: Obviously basing as an issue if you've got like empty if basis to rain unfortunately, in my case, had a lot of empty if to rain. 11:49.543 --> 12:13.552 [SPEAKER_01]: because I play a lot of infinity which requires a lot of terrain and a lot of it was MDF and a lot of it unfortunately you just cannot sterilize MDF and any meaningful way so a lot of that has gone, but I think on the whole, I think I've come out all right in terms of a fact that a lot of what I have that I could clean up 12:16.788 --> 12:35.986 [SPEAKER_01]: And even though there's been damage, I feel like I can kind of get over time, get through repair jobs, there's a lot of re-painting that has to happen a lot of kind of organizing what let's go where on which models that still to happen, but yeah, manage to save all my 12:41.727 --> 13:04.271 [SPEAKER_01]: So there was hope, but yeah, at the time before really understanding the kind of full scope of what had happened and the full impact on things, I was, I've got to say, it was, that's real like heart in your mouth moments because you think, well, how much time have I spent, you know, of my life? 13:04.311 --> 13:07.291 [SPEAKER_01]: How many years have I put into creating 13:11.950 --> 13:29.351 [SPEAKER_01]: And to have that potentially all go and a matter of an hour and a half of heavy rain, it's just kind of, you know, a normal or no normal person should have to sort of think about that because it's just, it's heartbreaking. 13:30.243 --> 13:43.873 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, yeah, you talked about, you mentioned paint in there, so was there a, was there a decent ratio of these managers, the war painted and and the that basically mean they had to be stripped what was the kind of score there. 13:44.194 --> 13:45.174 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, pretty much. 13:45.555 --> 13:50.999 [SPEAKER_01]: Um, so it's, it's, it's interesting in that, um, yes, a lot were painted. 13:51.059 --> 13:53.721 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know a ratio probably. 13:55.495 --> 14:05.603 [SPEAKER_01]: Probably like some, maybe 60, 60-ish percent, if I'm being, maybe 60% painted. 14:07.024 --> 14:15.531 [SPEAKER_01]: So probably got a lot of unpainted stuff for sure, but surprisingly painted quite a lot of what I had. 14:16.652 --> 14:23.297 [SPEAKER_01]: In the main, they haven't had to be stripped, because they, because I'd vanished them, 14:24.280 --> 14:31.030 [SPEAKER_01]: the varnish generally is tended to resist the worst effects of bleach. 14:31.271 --> 14:32.212 [SPEAKER_01]: I have noticed that 14:33.128 --> 14:57.622 [SPEAKER_01]: of used different banishes over the years, like some have been bitter, and some have, in terms of as being able to resist what bleached would otherwise do to a paint to paint with, so some have been really good, and there's no need to repaint others have been discolored or even the seems like the way it's reacted with the bleached, the vanishes raked with the bleached, it started 14:58.952 --> 15:02.814 [SPEAKER_01]: to turn them all cloudy in the stuff so starting to play conference. 15:03.194 --> 15:06.416 [SPEAKER_01]: It's bizarre, I guess it's just different, different chemical reactions. 15:06.536 --> 15:10.538 [SPEAKER_01]: But I'm not having to do it too much, repainting, I don't think. 15:11.078 --> 15:17.742 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm still really in the, it's still a little bit in the assessing phase of how much, how much repainting is going to need to happen. 15:18.582 --> 15:30.271 [SPEAKER_01]: more probably for stuff that's just been damaged because it's been tipped over scrape or it's a broken off like an arms broken off and it's taken some of the paint with that kind of thing I think. 15:32.873 --> 15:40.619 [SPEAKER_00]: How did you kind of feel once you'd assessed the damage and had time to kind of consider what was ahead of you? 15:42.020 --> 15:43.501 [SPEAKER_00]: What were you kind of feeling at that point? 15:47.619 --> 15:54.864 [SPEAKER_01]: to be honest, it was a bit on the back of my mind because I mean, there was just so much other stuff to focus on. 15:55.624 --> 16:02.108 [SPEAKER_01]: We had to move, like, in the initial stages, we had to move out of our house, we put all our other things that had survived the flag. 16:02.128 --> 16:04.350 [SPEAKER_01]: We had to kind of clean and put on storage. 16:04.770 --> 16:05.730 [SPEAKER_01]: We moved in with my mom. 16:06.711 --> 16:14.515 [SPEAKER_01]: that God for about five or six weeks while our house was drying out, there was just so much other stuff to focus on. 16:14.895 --> 16:26.902 [SPEAKER_01]: I didn't even really get the opportunity much to think about about the totality of it all until probably until maybe even over a few weeks ago. 16:33.590 --> 16:38.549 [SPEAKER_01]: I think it's maybe it's provided a bit of healthy separation between the 16:39.754 --> 17:00.366 [SPEAKER_01]: Um, the pressure of like wanting to get things painted, wanting to get things on the table, wanting to play a lot of games, um, it's kind of just ease that off a bit because, and I don't know if everyone feels that, but maybe from time to time they do, like this, this urge to want to get out and do things, particularly like in my case, we have a, a toddler. 17:00.787 --> 17:03.228 [SPEAKER_01]: So that that's in the past is stop. 17:03.949 --> 17:06.130 [SPEAKER_01]: Some of the gaming opportunities, but 17:07.536 --> 17:22.588 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it's been interesting, psychologically, how you kind of go through those whole levels of like, you know, anger, upset, acceptance, and then looking, looking to move forward. 17:22.608 --> 17:35.758 [SPEAKER_01]: I think now I feel like I'm in a pretty good space psychologically to be able to kind of just not stress the, not stress the big job that's in front of me, but maybe just. 17:36.851 --> 17:45.616 [SPEAKER_01]: It could pick out it, like, chip away at it as sort of almost like a, it's on rebuild process, right? 17:45.676 --> 17:49.839 [SPEAKER_01]: It's like, at some point I know I'm gonna get to, I don't know. 17:50.539 --> 17:55.522 [SPEAKER_01]: Some World War II bold action miniatures, and I'll look, I'll be able to look over them properly. 17:55.582 --> 17:56.203 [SPEAKER_01]: I'll be able to, 17:57.604 --> 17:59.527 [SPEAKER_01]: work on what needs to be fixed. 17:59.827 --> 18:03.071 [SPEAKER_01]: I'll be able to maybe assemble some more and paint them. 18:03.732 --> 18:05.574 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it's a strange one. 18:05.674 --> 18:07.036 [SPEAKER_01]: I think I'm still not 100% through. 18:08.778 --> 18:11.060 [SPEAKER_01]: the whole sort of process yet. 18:11.660 --> 18:16.044 [SPEAKER_01]: So yeah, I have to be a follow up channel that one. 18:16.564 --> 18:16.805 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. 18:17.245 --> 18:22.069 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I mean, not obviously, your hobby doesn't boil down in this terrible event, either. 18:22.109 --> 18:30.756 [SPEAKER_00]: Like, you know, let's maybe go back in time or we button just learn a bit more about how you came in at the hobby in the first place. 18:31.236 --> 18:31.817 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, yeah, sure. 18:34.019 --> 18:37.161 [SPEAKER_01]: Probably like a lot of the people you've interviewed 18:39.523 --> 18:50.966 [SPEAKER_01]: I would say the first kind of like definitive kind of hobby gateways probably through Hero Quest which came through New Zealand and the early 1990s at least I would have been about. 18:51.787 --> 18:54.309 [SPEAKER_01]: Probably nine or ten. 18:55.069 --> 19:19.086 [SPEAKER_01]: When at first, when we got our first copy, and I loved that game, at least to play it a lot with friends and my brother, I think that had really kind of just started some minting this whole kind of like concept that there's this, there are these games out there where you can kind of act out the merch yourself and fantasy sitting or a side-by-side sitting. 19:21.462 --> 19:46.914 [SPEAKER_01]: I think also what was really kind of like quite monumental I think it's probably when I was about even before the here a question probably I was about seven or eight my parents got me a copy of the Hobbit graphic novel I don't know if you've seen that one it's like a comic comic book form of of the Hobbit and just the kind of combination of 19:48.000 --> 19:53.842 [SPEAKER_01]: the visuals of that plus, the greatness of Tolkien. 19:54.343 --> 19:58.804 [SPEAKER_01]: I think that really kind of had sitting off on the road of fantasies, a good thing. 19:58.844 --> 20:10.149 [SPEAKER_01]: And as I sort of got a bit older, then going into what high school people in classes might they might have had like a GW catalog. 20:10.189 --> 20:11.290 [SPEAKER_01]: And I was like, oh, what's that? 20:11.330 --> 20:12.810 [SPEAKER_01]: That's the success really cool. 20:13.451 --> 20:14.871 [SPEAKER_01]: I remember going into high school, 20:17.342 --> 20:21.584 [SPEAKER_01]: And one of the guys there was like, oh, there's this amazing store and town. 20:21.724 --> 20:23.525 [SPEAKER_01]: You should go check it out. 20:23.585 --> 20:27.127 [SPEAKER_01]: They sell many and this would have been the 1997. 20:27.927 --> 20:32.910 [SPEAKER_01]: So I think like the condition of Warhammer had dropped the year before. 20:32.930 --> 20:39.193 [SPEAKER_01]: It was near the drop of third edition, 40k. 20:39.613 --> 20:44.476 [SPEAKER_01]: We're going into those stores instead of seeing all the range of possibilities was 20:47.967 --> 21:07.637 [SPEAKER_01]: I know maybe I must have been about 14, and I got the original Necromander box set for probably my birthday, I think, and that kind of really sparked the hobby for me, and it was kind of quickly followed by just trying to require as much as much as I could. 21:08.197 --> 21:09.158 [SPEAKER_01]: So yeah, coming through 21:15.915 --> 21:17.538 [SPEAKER_01]: inroads into the hobby. 21:17.558 --> 21:21.785 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, that was really, that was really it for me. 21:21.865 --> 21:23.228 [SPEAKER_01]: And I mean, I think, 21:24.407 --> 21:37.677 [SPEAKER_01]: New Zealand is obviously kind of the upside of the world to the UK, but connected pretty closely, culturally, and there's always been really a big kind of gaming scene here, and some pretty well established gaming clubs. 21:38.158 --> 21:41.140 [SPEAKER_01]: Unfortunately, we're over where I spent my teenage years at Wazan. 21:41.780 --> 21:45.823 [SPEAKER_01]: Super predominant as a hobby, but there was still enough 21:47.499 --> 21:55.162 [SPEAKER_01]: enough people around that they could be gaming stores that they could be stores that start 40k stores that stop role playing games. 21:55.902 --> 22:05.646 [SPEAKER_01]: So there was a, there's always been a community and I think it's just one that for I guess I just found myself kind of naturally kind of slipping into having friends at school that played. 22:08.491 --> 22:11.212 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, we, you know, we would sort of slowly try to win this. 22:12.292 --> 22:13.633 [SPEAKER_01]: We'll have a fantasy armies. 22:14.233 --> 22:20.155 [SPEAKER_01]: I remember more at home dropping and that they're coming really, like, you know, just really, 22:22.750 --> 22:29.755 [SPEAKER_01]: I think one of those games that really kind of captured people with some imaginations, I remember, do you remember inquisitor? 22:30.216 --> 22:33.038 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know, you might have been out of the hobby by then, but they're 50 years old. 22:33.078 --> 22:34.279 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I was a weird guy then, yeah. 22:34.359 --> 22:44.347 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, but I remember that dropping and that kind of just blowing away some of my friends just and me as well, it's just like, this is so cool. 22:44.507 --> 22:47.869 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't think we haven't actually played a game but the managers themselves were amazing. 22:48.998 --> 22:57.422 [SPEAKER_01]: you know, it's a jump-large artwork in the world works, RIP, that was just, yeah, just really evocative. 22:58.123 --> 23:15.552 [SPEAKER_01]: And so yeah, I would have come pretty strongly through the games workshop, the games workshop sort of pipeline until I don't know, probably around 5th edition of 40K was probably when I sort of started to lose some of the interest in 23:18.151 --> 23:32.718 [SPEAKER_01]: and the GW side of things and then a little bit later on probably took a bit of a break and from all aspects of the hobby and then started to kind of like really get my juices flowing again. 23:33.920 --> 23:40.884 [SPEAKER_01]: Probably, in my early 30s, I started looking at some of the other alternative kind of games out there, some of the romantic games. 23:41.004 --> 23:48.569 [SPEAKER_01]: And the one that really kind of appealed to me at that time was infinity, which was a 28 millimeter sci-fi game. 23:48.629 --> 23:57.815 [SPEAKER_01]: And probably since maybe 2016, I've been playing it on and off pretty well, not even on and off, I've been playing it quite a bit. 23:58.635 --> 24:24.872 [SPEAKER_01]: and it's probably been my go-to game for the best part of a decade, but I've also, you know, as I've grown older, I've sort of, you know, I had 40, and then to start discovering historical miniatures, so, you know, starting looking at bold action, looking at saga, I just think, or in such a good space as a, you know, as a consumers of hobby stuff you can find whatever you want, 24:26.650 --> 24:34.516 [SPEAKER_01]: and it supports and they look up for, you know, new games to use old menus or, you know, new games as an excuse to play new menus. 24:35.057 --> 24:35.737 [SPEAKER_01]: So yeah. 24:35.757 --> 24:43.944 [SPEAKER_00]: And if we overlook the obvious massive disruption you've had this year, what sort of games, I mean, you might mention them already. 24:43.964 --> 24:46.626 [SPEAKER_00]: What sort of games are kind of on your radar right now? 24:47.898 --> 24:57.241 [SPEAKER_01]: So, yeah, so I would say at the moment, there's probably, at the moment right now was infinity again, I played a lot over the last 10 years. 24:57.301 --> 25:12.747 [SPEAKER_01]: I took a bit of a hiatus because I was feeling a bit burnt out, but I reckon, earlier, since sort of like the end of the last year, I started to try and pick it up a bit more again, started to kind of like really, rediscover the mojo for that. 25:13.607 --> 25:22.095 [SPEAKER_01]: Other, but that aside, I started to get into Sago, which I think is a great game, but unfortunately I don't play enough of it. 25:23.116 --> 25:24.758 [SPEAKER_01]: And also the other one was bolt action. 25:25.739 --> 25:31.264 [SPEAKER_01]: And that one has been really cool because that's one that my son, who's 10 now. 25:32.405 --> 25:34.567 [SPEAKER_01]: that he thinks is pretty interesting. 25:34.627 --> 25:40.231 [SPEAKER_01]: And we've had a couple of like really sort of struck down rules ways, games of that. 25:40.491 --> 25:47.736 [SPEAKER_01]: And so so probably those three are the ones that are kind of on my radar. 25:47.776 --> 25:49.618 [SPEAKER_01]: Infinity's the game I play most often. 25:50.699 --> 25:52.580 [SPEAKER_01]: There's probably the one I enjoy the most. 25:54.581 --> 25:55.882 [SPEAKER_00]: What'd you like about Infinity? 25:56.903 --> 25:59.205 [SPEAKER_01]: Probably what drew me to it. 26:01.133 --> 26:14.175 [SPEAKER_01]: as a game, one was, of course, the miniatures and we could probably talk about it for another question, but as a game, I found it to me just so immersive. 26:15.690 --> 26:19.753 [SPEAKER_01]: It's bizarre, and that game that's so rules heavy and quite crunchy. 26:20.414 --> 26:30.022 [SPEAKER_01]: Once you kind of get the hang of the rules, as you're playing, just feels so, for me anyway, I just get lost in the games themselves. 26:30.122 --> 26:37.208 [SPEAKER_01]: It really sort of takes me outside of being a player and into the games at its best. 26:38.629 --> 26:40.711 [SPEAKER_01]: I haven't quite found a game that's... 26:41.660 --> 26:48.004 [SPEAKER_01]: really taking you one so de-tactically and a sort of like an skirmish kind of game. 26:50.425 --> 26:54.307 [SPEAKER_01]: And I think it's, yeah, I can see it's very crunchy. 26:54.327 --> 27:01.332 [SPEAKER_01]: So you have to, you have to get used to the unexpected happening to you and not really being able to do much about it. 27:01.392 --> 27:06.094 [SPEAKER_01]: So if you, you know, it runs a sort of a critical hit system and also allows the, um, 27:07.800 --> 27:12.483 [SPEAKER_01]: the reactive player to be able to kind of undertake actions. 27:12.603 --> 27:22.268 [SPEAKER_01]: Sometimes that could be to shoot back at you as you're shooting at them and every so often they'll get lucky and they might take you out. 27:22.368 --> 27:24.409 [SPEAKER_01]: So it's quite a brutal game. 27:25.570 --> 27:25.650 [SPEAKER_01]: Just 27:29.676 --> 27:40.902 [SPEAKER_01]: I've made a lot of really good friends through it over the last 10 years and people who from other cities who you may only see them if you go up to play a tournament. 27:41.442 --> 27:46.985 [SPEAKER_01]: But the tournaments are not a huge community so you kind of get to know everyone pretty well. 27:48.026 --> 27:55.610 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it's interesting, it is a fun game, but it's not to everyone's liking. 27:56.886 --> 28:09.392 [SPEAKER_00]: You did talk about minatures there and it was perhaps in reference to a question I want to ask you about like, is there a particular miniature that you'd consider genuinely perfect? 28:09.952 --> 28:11.613 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yeah, I am. 28:12.033 --> 28:12.834 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I know there is. 28:13.874 --> 28:17.716 [SPEAKER_01]: So I think as I was starting to get into infinity, 28:20.493 --> 28:30.180 [SPEAKER_01]: I would say, I started my collection, a lot, a fair amount of time before I started playing the games, but before I really sort of found the communities. 28:30.220 --> 28:39.326 [SPEAKER_01]: So I would kind of like buy some of these images, paint them up, look what's happening on the forums, look at the new releases that were coming out. 28:39.926 --> 28:45.570 [SPEAKER_01]: And I think there was one in particular that just, I thought was just outstanding. 28:47.011 --> 29:11.077 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know if you know of Angel Heraldas, who is a pretty well-known painter now, and the mid-2010s, he was pretty much the main painter for Corvus Belly, who had produced infinity, and he would paint display models for them pretty routinely, and at the time he had 29:12.272 --> 29:24.583 [SPEAKER_01]: pretty I mean I don't know I didn't see a lot of other wasn't necessarily checking a lot of other painters at that time but his style was just incredible and he was just a very good job of 29:26.930 --> 29:30.453 [SPEAKER_01]: using using a light shade. 29:30.493 --> 29:32.234 [SPEAKER_01]: He could just really make this minute just pop. 29:32.775 --> 29:34.816 [SPEAKER_01]: He was really addicted using an airbrush. 29:35.277 --> 29:47.487 [SPEAKER_01]: So the one model that I think I still look at and still kind of gives me this kind of sense of where I wasn't 25, 20, 16 was this faction of infinity called Harkislam. 29:48.307 --> 29:54.272 [SPEAKER_01]: And one minute you're in particular was a motorcycle rider, Harkislam, 29:55.557 --> 30:03.100 [SPEAKER_01]: And it's this guy who's, um, looks like a, like a really rough biker on a, on a big chopper. 30:04.040 --> 30:09.122 [SPEAKER_01]: Um, I'll flick you a link to, to pick, to the, to one of the pictures in a minute and lucky. 30:09.662 --> 30:11.863 [SPEAKER_01]: And, um, he just looks so cool. 30:11.923 --> 30:12.543 [SPEAKER_01]: He's, um, 30:14.551 --> 30:24.456 [SPEAKER_01]: He's, um, and as leaders, he's sitting at the top of this job, uh, he, he's got this amazing tattoo across his chest. 30:25.116 --> 30:25.957 [SPEAKER_01]: He's got stubble. 30:25.997 --> 30:27.918 [SPEAKER_01]: He looks like he's been through it getting shit. 30:28.518 --> 30:36.202 [SPEAKER_01]: Rugged as, and I remember looking at this, uh, and just thought that's just outstanding, both the sculpt and the, and just the paint job. 30:36.722 --> 30:38.183 [SPEAKER_01]: Like, there's amazing motorcycle, 30:39.769 --> 30:58.684 [SPEAKER_01]: uh flame patterns on a motorbike uh it just looked incredible and it just really I was real close to running out and just buying that that many and maybe just like you know I didn't play that faction or that army at the time but I thought oh man maybe maybe I should pick these guys up. 30:59.344 --> 31:02.867 [SPEAKER_01]: I never did but I still look at that many and I was looking at it 31:05.369 --> 31:06.150 [SPEAKER_01]: for this show. 31:06.591 --> 31:11.640 [SPEAKER_01]: And I was looking back at it and just thinking, that's just so, so good. 31:12.181 --> 31:17.270 [SPEAKER_01]: Um, so for me, I think that's the one that I keep, you know, I keep thinking about. 31:18.380 --> 31:41.030 [SPEAKER_01]: What's next up for you then Dave like what's on the more immediate horizon for you hobby wise hobby wise well there's an infinity tournament happening here in Wellington and next week next weekend so I'm going to go along to that which I'm pretty pumped for see a bunch of mates again I haven't really been playing very much so it's nice to kind of 31:48.009 --> 32:13.788 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know, after my last game of infinity, I got really inspired and started writing up a bit of a short story of the game, so I kind of came to kind of just keep working at that and maybe sort of looking at a tournament as a kind of like a bit of an inspiration to write more of this kind of story about these bunch of near-do-well space guys, I had 32:17.594 --> 32:28.438 [SPEAKER_01]: some really cool support from some companies when I see what happened with the floods, a couple of companies reached out. 32:30.700 --> 32:38.764 [SPEAKER_01]: and offered to send some staff over, which I was really really happy to receive. 32:38.804 --> 32:41.805 [SPEAKER_01]: So big shout out to DeepCut Studios. 32:41.865 --> 32:45.747 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm really looking forward to unboxing and playing with this map that they sent me. 32:47.227 --> 32:51.069 [SPEAKER_01]: And likewise, Watsonville, which is a small boutique 32:56.271 --> 32:57.771 [SPEAKER_01]: send over some terrain. 32:57.791 --> 33:01.872 [SPEAKER_01]: So I'm slowly assembling that as well. 33:03.013 --> 33:06.253 [SPEAKER_01]: Other than that, just sort of trying to 33:18.492 --> 33:22.517 [SPEAKER_01]: some of my gaming mates who haven't seen a lot of over the past few months. 33:23.339 --> 33:25.682 [SPEAKER_01]: And of course listening to bedroom battlefields. 33:27.063 --> 33:27.784 [SPEAKER_01]: Of course. 33:28.325 --> 33:28.665 [SPEAKER_00]: Of course. 33:31.197 --> 33:35.378 [SPEAKER_00]: No, I mean, it's great to hear it, you're looking out. 33:35.438 --> 33:45.382 [SPEAKER_00]: You're able to look out the other side of this, and you've obviously managed to keep a good attitude and outlook in spite of all the challenges and that as well. 33:45.442 --> 33:47.883 [SPEAKER_00]: So yeah, thanks for sharing that story in. 33:48.443 --> 33:55.766 [SPEAKER_00]: Obviously, sorry you went through it, but I guess all you could do now is kind of rebuilding crack on, isn't it? 33:56.766 --> 33:57.546 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, that's right. 34:01.493 --> 34:08.879 [SPEAKER_01]: what's happened or you, you know, and people do, but I think it's far more positive to try to move forward. 34:09.580 --> 34:15.364 [SPEAKER_01]: And actually, you know, they're a good look for the silver linings in life, eh? 34:15.965 --> 34:23.811 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm pretty, yeah, I think we're pretty, pretty fortunate that we've got a good, good, great gaming community here. 34:25.010 --> 34:33.075 [SPEAKER_01]: um, got a good group of mates who are into it and it's a good way to kind of pass the time and um, you know, enjoy doing what we do. 34:33.795 --> 34:45.421 [SPEAKER_01]: So yeah, I think it sucks that has happened, but um, you know, there are a bit of things ahead, but it's been a real pleasure to come on, um, 34:51.376 --> 35:02.322 [SPEAKER_01]: I would say, you know, the people who've gone through this kind of events before like poor old Mark probably knows, you know, he's probably come pretty close to something similar. 35:02.802 --> 35:17.991 [SPEAKER_01]: It's, it's not fun, but, you know, it can also, you know, it can bring people together and I think, you know, I've had a lot of kind of support through the, through the discord as well, people checking in and that's really nice to see. 35:19.304 --> 35:20.945 [SPEAKER_00]: Thanks very much for your time, Dave. 35:20.965 --> 35:23.087 [SPEAKER_00]: I really enjoyed the conversation. 35:23.127 --> 35:27.771 [SPEAKER_00]: Is there any way you would like to point the lesson towards the checkout at all? 35:29.092 --> 35:33.635 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't really run any social media myself, social media channels. 35:34.176 --> 35:36.057 [SPEAKER_01]: I point the listener towards your discord. 35:37.098 --> 35:37.478 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm going to 35:38.359 --> 35:39.479 [SPEAKER_01]: Hit there. 35:39.699 --> 35:41.100 [SPEAKER_01]: Sorry, no, you're just quite your patriot. 35:41.540 --> 35:43.240 [SPEAKER_01]: I'll hit that way myself. 35:43.820 --> 35:53.782 [SPEAKER_01]: I think, you know, just wanted to sort of shout out the work that you do and the like the amazing stuff that happens through the discord is it's really cool. 35:54.182 --> 36:03.404 [SPEAKER_01]: Unfortunately, I haven't been able to kind of get into the campaign stuff as much as I'd want, but it's really really great to kind of like pop on and just see what people are doing and 36:04.144 --> 36:05.866 [SPEAKER_01]: you know, share a bit. 36:06.447 --> 36:07.869 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it's a, it's a cool place. 36:08.330 --> 36:10.413 [SPEAKER_01]: I think if you've created something that's 36:11.762 --> 36:14.023 [SPEAKER_01]: really been official to a lot of people. 36:15.104 --> 36:19.145 [SPEAKER_01]: So I would point people straight back to what's your channel. 36:19.165 --> 36:22.407 [SPEAKER_00]: So massive thanks to David for the chat there. 36:22.727 --> 36:26.649 [SPEAKER_00]: And thanks also for that we show out David for the Patreon. 36:26.669 --> 36:27.969 [SPEAKER_00]: I really do appreciate that. 36:27.989 --> 36:35.073 [SPEAKER_00]: You could find that a bedroom battlefields.com forward slash Patreon or in fact, patreon.com forward slash bedroom battlefields. 36:35.093 --> 36:37.514 [SPEAKER_00]: You could go ask for elbow as they say. 36:38.614 --> 36:41.516 [SPEAKER_00]: So on there there'll be more content from David. 36:41.556 --> 36:44.898 [SPEAKER_00]: I usually do a little bonus Q&A the last about 10 minutes. 36:44.958 --> 36:46.559 [SPEAKER_00]: So I've got some recurring questions. 36:46.619 --> 36:53.142 [SPEAKER_00]: I really enjoy asking those to the guests and you'll find them, you know, recent guests as well. 36:53.162 --> 36:55.684 [SPEAKER_00]: They've got a little bonus episode on there. 36:55.704 --> 36:58.105 [SPEAKER_00]: We had Ted on recently, John, Joe McCullock. 36:58.485 --> 37:01.487 [SPEAKER_00]: So you'll find bonus content with them as well. 37:01.527 --> 37:03.768 [SPEAKER_00]: And like I say, I'm going to be post not the bonus. 37:04.408 --> 37:06.712 [SPEAKER_00]: episode with David in the comment days. 37:07.113 --> 37:09.556 [SPEAKER_00]: I've also been posting on Patreon. 37:09.937 --> 37:12.961 [SPEAKER_00]: A little 5.5.6 from Home Audio Diary. 37:14.175 --> 37:15.856 [SPEAKER_00]: so five parsecs from home. 37:16.797 --> 37:28.587 [SPEAKER_00]: As I think I've mentioned recently on the show, it's something that I've really started to get into and I have formed up a crew and I have started this campaign and it's been really fun so far. 37:28.607 --> 37:36.434 [SPEAKER_00]: So I've been doing these little audio diary entries just kind of talking through where the crew are at, what challenges they're facing, who they're fighting, 37:36.974 --> 37:41.857 [SPEAKER_00]: who's got injured, so I've been doing that and post number on the Patreon as well. 37:41.877 --> 37:57.707 [SPEAKER_00]: So if you want some bonus content, there's certainly plenty of it over at patreon.com forward slash bedroom battlefields and plenty more in the pipeline too, because I've got more conversations lined up and certainly more games of five parsecs from home as well. 37:57.767 --> 38:03.410 [SPEAKER_00]: So big thanks to everyone who support me over there and I hope you're enjoying the extra content. 38:05.259 --> 38:09.610 [SPEAKER_00]: All right, that is it for this episode of the Table Top Manager Hobby Podcast. 38:09.651 --> 38:13.220 [SPEAKER_00]: Thanks as always for listening and we'll chat again on the next one.