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[SPEAKER_03]: You have no idea.
[SPEAKER_01]: Alex is Luke warm at this.
[SPEAKER_01]: And that's right where you want him.
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[SPEAKER_03]: This is in this vlogged to the world here.
[SPEAKER_03]: So we were talking about the idea of like coming in a hot because one of us I don't want to say who was coming in hot.
[SPEAKER_03]: It was Justin and I would say that maybe it should actually be coming in cold because if you think about it like if you have a pipe and hot dish fresh out of the kitchen If it's coming to late, it's cold.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's not even a hotter.
[SPEAKER_03]: It doesn't heat up as it gets there, you know?
[SPEAKER_01]: But I think that's really good.
[SPEAKER_01]: Is there are they going to do a season six of the bear yet?
[SPEAKER_01]: Because I think this could be, I don't know, openings.
[SPEAKER_02]: We don't work in the kitchen, though.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's where you lose me with this.
[SPEAKER_02]: You know what I mean?
[SPEAKER_02]: We are.
[SPEAKER_01]: We do the work in the crucible where everything's coming in.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Johnny, you're cooking up hot fresh interviews for everybody out there.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Our amazing guests that we have on this evening.
[SPEAKER_03]: She's the writer of Dynamite's tail spin coming.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, we're just coming out August 19th, ladies and gentlemen, Amanda Diverton.
[SPEAKER_03]: Great, thank you.
[SPEAKER_00]: I am coming in hot with a tail spin reference to tell you that it's a pilot term from the military.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's a time spread into the comment.
[SPEAKER_00]: Hell yeah, hi is when you're coming and landing and you're coming in too fast It's gonna cause friction.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's gonna cause heat.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's gonna be dangerous It's a fire hazard and that's the origin of the term there it is
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[SPEAKER_03]: Come on.
[SPEAKER_03]: Fans spin on the podcast I actually don't know what the fan began with this.
[SPEAKER_01]: Stan Spinn.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, my brother and I got really into tailspin when we were kids.
[SPEAKER_01]: The kit cloud kicker fantasy train was always trucking through my household.
[SPEAKER_01]: So something I feel like these all of these Disney-based comics have been coming out lately have been such a great pop of creativity So how did you approach tailspin with that editorial sort of
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, yeah, so, you know, also grew up in the tailspin era.
[SPEAKER_00]: So for me, in the same way that I approached Darkwing Duck when I did that, it's about, you've got this awesome cartoon that we know and love, and these characters that are very near and near to all of our hearts.
[SPEAKER_00]: So the first thing you wanted to do is make sure that you're respecting that and you're operating within the world of this thing.
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, I'm not trying to reinvent it.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm not trying to, you know, make my mark on it as far as like changing something just to change it.
[SPEAKER_00]: What I want to do is...
[SPEAKER_00]: create the stories with these characters in this world that I would like to see.
[SPEAKER_00]: You're basically like hidden secret episodes that we never got to watch and now we get to watch them and that's that's the way that I like to approach.
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean sometimes you know we're in a modern world it's it's not the 1990s anymore I know I know but it feels like I'm sorry I'm sorry to let you say that
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, we've got to stab your breeding audience, we've got, you know, there are things that you kind of have to pivot a little bit, but for the most part of this about, you know, doing it justices is the way that I try to jump into it.
[SPEAKER_03]: Well, it's also format-wise.
[SPEAKER_03]: I don't know how much this makes a difference, but I remember back of the day there were the, I think it was the Disney Adventures magazines that would have like little comics and stuff featuring this.
[SPEAKER_03]: This is, like you're saying, years on, it is a comic, which has a different M-O, it's not.
[SPEAKER_03]: you're working with Disney, but it's not necessarily like the official Disney magazine or anything like that.
[SPEAKER_03]: So is there any sort of difference in how you approach the story?
[SPEAKER_03]: Is there something that inherently makes it like a 20-ish page floppy versus what you might have seen in that magazine?
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, I mean, yes and that, you know, you want to
[SPEAKER_00]: It's its own thing.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's its own medium.
[SPEAKER_00]: So anytime, I mean, like, you know, comics versus cartoons too, right?
[SPEAKER_00]: Like, there are certain things that are going to work better in a medium where you have.
[SPEAKER_00]: sound and movement and things that are going to work better where your, you know, your big moments are going to be like a splash page or a page churn or that kind of thing.
[SPEAKER_00]: So you do have to, I mean, you just approach it for the media.
[SPEAKER_00]: You go like, what's the best way I can tell in this way that's that's very visual forward, that's very rapid fire because even with, you know, a full issue 22 pages or whatever, like that's not.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's not the same as having 22 minutes of television content.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like it's faster.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's a faster paste.
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, you got to get right to the point.
[SPEAKER_00]: You got to jump in, make things happen, jump out.
[SPEAKER_03]: This is a little bit more of a general question and then we can get back to tellspend, but you've made a really good career so far of doing a lot of licensed properties.
[SPEAKER_03]: Like you work on a ton of them, and you're clearly very good at them.
[SPEAKER_03]: What is your first step when you approach a new property like tellspend?
[SPEAKER_03]: Is it sitting down and watching the cartoon and taking notes?
[SPEAKER_03]: Do you just ask about the parameters from the license, or what are kind of like the first couple of things you need to get started?
[SPEAKER_00]: It's a great question.
[SPEAKER_00]: So when I'm doing IP like that, that's like from a TV or movie and as you said, I've done a lot of that kind of stuff.
[SPEAKER_00]: The first thing I do is watch or rewatch a bunch of the stuff, because it's been a long time since I watched Tales Ben, right?
[SPEAKER_00]: Now it hasn't been.
[SPEAKER_00]: But before that, that was been a minute to you guys.
[SPEAKER_00]: But it, you know, so the first thing I do is I go back in and I watch and mostly what I'm doing there is just reminding myself of like voice and tone and pacing and that kind of You know remembering like who these characters are, how they speak the vibe of the of the show.
[SPEAKER_00]: So that when I'm then and then I go off on my own and just think about you know story ideas that I'd like to do arcs I'd like to see the characters in situations I'd like to put them in and come up with my own thing but I do always start with watching a pretty hefty chunk of the cartoon before I get started on that so my daughter has a really skewed
[SPEAKER_01]: a concept of what work is he had that I want to do what you do Yeah, I'm like, hey, you want to come help me work?
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm going to just watch this in a minute.
[SPEAKER_03]: Oh my god.
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh my god.
[SPEAKER_00]: Going like, oh, that's a good idea.
[SPEAKER_00]: And like writing it down.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like,
[SPEAKER_00]: But sometimes too, you know, when I'm watching, it's like, I'll see some little thing and go like, it'd be fun to expand on that or like that one little concept they never did a lot with that.
[SPEAKER_00]: That might be cool.
[SPEAKER_00]: And so they all sit and, you know, so I know.
[SPEAKER_02]: I was hoping you were going to say the first thing you do is put on like jammies that get a big bowl of cereal and sit in front of the TV.
[SPEAKER_02]: But I really... Basically.
[SPEAKER_02]: What's interesting to me is like, what is your favorite part?
[SPEAKER_02]: Is someone who was a kid watching this?
[SPEAKER_02]: Is there a part that you kind of geeked out on?
[SPEAKER_02]: Like, oh my god I can't believe I got to do this Or is there what's your kind of like favorite part of this process?
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, I think it's getting to play with it at all, getting to go, it's imagining time traveling to your child, self and being like, hey, Wednesday, you're going to write your own stories with these characters.
[SPEAKER_00]: And it's going to be like, not just what you're doing in your room, but other people are going to read them.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's going to be officially like canon part of the world, and anytime I'm working on a fun IPS, especially an astrologic one for me, that's kind of,
[SPEAKER_00]: I always do I guess kind of imagine myself as a time traveler going back and telling like little Amanda like hey guess what she's doing I mean, the interesting thing with tail spin even as a kid.
[SPEAKER_01]: I was like there's just more going on here than other cartoons like first off this and itself is an adaptation of characters from the jungle book
[SPEAKER_01]: And but they're it touched on a lot of like lot more grown up themes.
[SPEAKER_01]: You had a love of cheese Love of cheese obviously.
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know what you're talking about the but you had like Dealing with like corporate interest versus like mom and pop shop You had the sort of Soviet villains that were always the big enemy, but they were super incompetent So I had this weird political Not maybe edges too strong word, but at least it was in that area
[SPEAKER_01]: Like, do you absorb any of that?
[SPEAKER_01]: Do, is there any of that in your book?
[SPEAKER_00]: Some of it, not so much, I hate to break it to you.
[SPEAKER_00]: There's not a big Soviet storyline.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, yes, I had a feeling you weren't going deep into Chernobyl, but you don't mean, I guess.
[SPEAKER_03]: No, I mean, sorry everybody.
[SPEAKER_01]: Viewership died.
[SPEAKER_02]: No, no, no.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Well, I mean to follow up on that then, when you're looking at something like this, what and not to keep going back to like the license or of it all, but like obviously you're trying to do tail spin, but there are elements like what Justin's talking about that are important from that type here that just don't work anymore.
[SPEAKER_03]: So how do you navigate things like that?
[SPEAKER_00]: So what's very fun about what I get to do is I get to pick and choose what I want to touch and what I don't want to touch.
[SPEAKER_00]: You know what I mean?
[SPEAKER_00]: I get to look at it and say like,
[SPEAKER_00]: What do I love about tailspin?
[SPEAKER_00]: What do I think is interesting about it?
[SPEAKER_00]: What do I think?
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, and obviously within that you can't be like so far in the corner that then you're just doing, you know, suddenly it's the jam farmers growing the berries for the stuff he's going to transport and that's the whole sort.
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, like you can't like leave the whole.
[SPEAKER_00]: But within that, you know, it's like the sum of telspin dealt with like the main character somewhere very like monster of the weeky like depending on which episode.
[SPEAKER_00]: And so I got to look at it and go, what do I want to do?
[SPEAKER_00]: Do I want to do something that feels very like monster of the week where there's, you know, like squid monsters and crazy things happening?
[SPEAKER_00]: Do I want to do something that's very, you know, 1990s politics?
[SPEAKER_00]: Do I want to do something that's there, you know, like you kind of see union based, you know.
[SPEAKER_03]: And so like you know the things to me that we're You could update it to be about like Russia and the Ukraine or something like that You know what I'm going to do Perfect would be to stick myself Yeah, totally You can solve it.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think we'll tell you Yeah, exactly.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's what kids want to eat Yeah, that's totally what we do But yeah, so it's you know for me It was like yeah, obviously the character relationship's are very important and having a very cool like
[SPEAKER_00]: slight sequences and stunt flying and like the stuff that makes tailspin like tailspin.
[SPEAKER_00]: So I pitched a story that centers around that, right, that the big, over, I decided instead of doing, you know, villain of the weak style stories that I wanted to do and in our connected arc, there's still obviously going to be things that happen issued to issue that are,
[SPEAKER_00]: you know isolated problems and mayhem ensues and so you get some of the other characters and bad guys and good guys that we know and love.
[SPEAKER_00]: But I centered it all around like this like a stunt flying situation, this competition that's going to happen that way we get to have a lot of the fun um
[SPEAKER_00]: sense and flying in other pilots and like the stuff because like what makes tailspin tailspin is the stuff that happens in the plane in my opinion other than their relationships and the characters so it was like how do I make that as front and center is possible also like that plays well on the page right like for for the art for like fun cool stuff if there's wingwalkers and things happening it's like it's action it's fun and that's what you want.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, uh did you have a favorite character when you were younger uh and is it the same
[SPEAKER_00]: That is a great question.
[SPEAKER_00]: Um, I think Kid was definitely my favorite as a kid.
[SPEAKER_00]: Which I think is probably true for a lot of us who are kids there.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think he's the one that you see yourself in.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think he still might be.
[SPEAKER_00]: Although like now, I've always been fond of blue, but I think like growing up me is even more fun.
[SPEAKER_00]: So it's a little bit of a toss up.
[SPEAKER_03]: I do want to mention before I forget every week on the show, we have a professional chef down in New Orleans.
[SPEAKER_03]: He runs an amazing place called Shift down there if you're ever in New Orleans.
[SPEAKER_03]: Just check it out.
[SPEAKER_03]: He usually designs a cocktail for us on the show.
[SPEAKER_03]: but that seemed a little inappropriate for a children's book, so instead he made a fun soda drink in honor of the book, the cloud kicker sky soda.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's pineapple juice, coconut water, blueberry simple syrup, lemon lime soda or sparkling water, coconut cream.
[SPEAKER_03]: and powdered sugar and so it's supposed to be the 90s dust-styleja good for kids and also have a couple of those tropical flavors that they might be using on-tales, but it's very cool.
[SPEAKER_03]: Coconut cream like the clouds.
[SPEAKER_03]: Exactly.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's delicious.
[SPEAKER_00]: I might have to make this for my daughter later.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I'll pass you the recipe.
[SPEAKER_03]: Now, this, just to take a little bit of a serve, this isn't the only nostalgic property that you're working on, though, semi-distouject.
[SPEAKER_03]: You're also going to be working on masters of the inverse legend of attorney, I believe, is that correct?
[SPEAKER_03]: And that's coming out July 29th.
[SPEAKER_03]: The thing that's interesting about this one, which is very different from the Talspit book.
[SPEAKER_03]: This is a manga style book from Tokyo Pop,
[SPEAKER_03]: that is set in the continuity of the new movie, and as far as I understand it, I imagine like each issue is telling one tale or two tales, maybe three tales, I don't know, of the different characters for the movie, so just to like start off, how does tackling something like this, and more modern property that literally is this year differ from tackling something like tellspin, that's kind of been on the shelf for a longer period of time.
[SPEAKER_00]: Um, yeah, I'm, I'm really excited about this.
[SPEAKER_00]: No, it's my first time tuning manga.
[SPEAKER_00]: So I, that was exciting in itself, um, and, yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: So with this one, you know, there's, no, I've, full disclosure.
[SPEAKER_00]: I've done he-man before.
[SPEAKER_00]: I wrote on the animated series for Netflix and I've done a, he-man graphic novel for, um, Scholastic.
[SPEAKER_00]: So like, I am well-versed in like the he-man world.
[SPEAKER_00]: But obviously this film is different than,
[SPEAKER_00]: other iterations that I've worked on before, and then different than the one that we watched growing up as well.
[SPEAKER_00]: So luckily I was able to, they sent me, because the movie had not come out yet, I was able to have the script of the film beforehand so that I could, because there's a time gap in the film that there's 15 years that passed that we don't see in the movie.
[SPEAKER_00]: And so this series of
[SPEAKER_00]: what the characters were up to during those 15 years and there's kind of, you know, I came up with kind of a frame story of, you know, we're kind of catching him and up on everything that he missed while he was.
[SPEAKER_00]: you know, not there.
[SPEAKER_00]: And so it's a fun, it's a fun look at a gap.
[SPEAKER_00]: So basically what I had to pay attention to, number one, how the characters were done for this film in this particular universe.
[SPEAKER_00]: And then number two, making sure that where they started is where you see that happens in the film.
[SPEAKER_00]: And like where they end up is where they end up in the film.
[SPEAKER_00]: But then I had some, you know, fun that I could play with.
[SPEAKER_03]: Was there a character?
[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, there's a couple of characters that I think are very different in the movie than the classic He-Man was there anyone that you had written before that you're like, oops, I got our real line my brain a little bit I mean, I basically had to do that with everybody, right?
[SPEAKER_00]: Because you don't want to get too close to You know, it's different so you have to kind of go like
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, just forget everything you know, fresh and I mean, there's some stuff like, yeah, it is a little bit like you just have to somehow pretend that you don't have any kind of form or You know connections with the artist sort of where your love of RAM man has to be put away for you know Connection with the very deep character a character with a lot of nuances that we haven't really unpacked as a capture
[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, the other thing that I'm curious about it, I don't know how much you could talk about this, but they've talked a lot about how there's a lot of improv in this movie.
[SPEAKER_03]: So you're working off of the script, but the eventual movie is very different than that.
[SPEAKER_03]: So was there any process of having to go back and tweak things a little bit to match it once you saw the final project?
[SPEAKER_00]: There were like a few notes on a few things like do this or don't do this but like otherwise not really because again luckily I wasn't trying you know I was covering a period of time that wasn't in the film As opposed to doing something that like it might have been harder if I was doing like a side adventure that was happening simultaneously I think that would have been
[SPEAKER_00]: harder to do without having seen it, but this was kind of more getting the feel of what the characters were, what the world was, what they were going to do with it, and then getting to play within it.
[SPEAKER_03]: But what about writing for manga?
[SPEAKER_03]: This is the first time doing that.
[SPEAKER_03]: What was different about this scripting of that?
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, there's you write it backwards.
[SPEAKER_00]: Totally.
[SPEAKER_00]: I stood on my head upside down and backward.
[SPEAKER_00]: And then I just... Smart.
[SPEAKER_00]: It was great.
[SPEAKER_00]: much sparser dialogue so it's so even though you know it's funny it's because all the worlds that I'm ending you know like film and TV is show don't tell in writing and then comic book is even more show don't tell because you you can't do very long and then manga's even more show don't tell it's just it's it's just boiling down the dialogue to
[SPEAKER_00]: just, you know, just the hits, just the keeping it sparse.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's much more visual medium than even comics, which is wild to say about a very visual medium.
[SPEAKER_01]: But in when you're doing that, were you writing it sort of in the style you were more used to, and then like just aggressively cutting, or were you just like, okay, I'm just going to zero it out at the top.
[SPEAKER_00]: so that I had to go into it because I don't think it would have been good to go into it and then try to cut back like I had to just go into it like this is visual this is you know there's like a there's one issue that has almost no dialogue um very very farce
[SPEAKER_00]: a little bit, but it's very, so it was just going through it with that, and people talk, they're still plenty of dialogue and a lot of it, but it was just coming at it from a much more visual frame of mind.
[SPEAKER_03]: These are obviously two very exciting books you have come out.
[SPEAKER_03]: I know you're always working on things all the time.
[SPEAKER_03]: Is there anything else you would like to plug?
[SPEAKER_00]: Um, short.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I've also got the graphic novel coming out of the name right before Christmas with the Sally.
[SPEAKER_00]: Um, yeah, or pumpkin queen, which is that's an adaptation of a novel.
[SPEAKER_00]: So again, like doing doing different things, right?
[SPEAKER_00]: So this is, is taking, you know, someone else's words and world and all that fun and then adapting it.
[SPEAKER_00]: And like, then now that is a matter of taking,
[SPEAKER_00]: That is taking something and condensing it way we're down going We you know for every chapter for every bit of it.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's like great and now You know tell the same story and like a fifth of the You know, but get all the emotion and all the feeling and all the world world building and all this gorgeous stuff You know because it's a great story.
[SPEAKER_00]: There's so much going on and you want to cram it all in so that was a big exercise in
[SPEAKER_00]: really boiling things down to their essence.
[SPEAKER_00]: Which was fun.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, it's cool.
[SPEAKER_03]: That is very cool.
[SPEAKER_03]: And before we wrap up here in terms of tellspin, if anybody is a deal fight to the property, why should they pick it up?
[SPEAKER_00]: Because even without knowing anything about it, it's fun.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's going to be fun.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's going to be funny.
[SPEAKER_00]: They are there in during characters.
[SPEAKER_00]: It is wacky.
[SPEAKER_00]: It is zany.
[SPEAKER_00]: It is slaps to key.
[SPEAKER_00]: It is action packed.
[SPEAKER_00]: There's like, you don't get a lot of comics with like old school planes doing 1930s style since it.
[SPEAKER_00]: So like, pick it up for that because there's not a lot that you can read that's going to be like
[SPEAKER_03]: Awesome.
[SPEAKER_03]: Amanda, thank you so much for coming on and pleasure chatting about the book and good luck with everything.
[SPEAKER_01]: Can't wait to read it.
[SPEAKER_01]: Thanks, Amanda.
[SPEAKER_00]: Bye.
[SPEAKER_03]: All right.
[SPEAKER_03]: There we go.
[SPEAKER_03]: Once again, the book is called Tale Spin.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's coming out from Dynamite on August 19th.
[SPEAKER_03]: I would didn't measure this, but the art is by Carlo Laura.
[SPEAKER_03]: Definitely pick it up.
[SPEAKER_03]: It looks great.
[SPEAKER_03]: And also we mentioned Masters of the Universe Legends of Attorney of it's coming out July 29th, as well as I'm blanking on one of the Pumpkin Queen book is coming out, but I'm gonna guess sometime in spooky season.
[SPEAKER_03]: Maybe towards tomorrow.
[SPEAKER_01]: I guess we'll
[SPEAKER_01]: Alex read in the tea leaves man coming in lukewarm love to see well that's how I fly my plane We decided you land here's what you do Alex is you land it at the right velocity You come in with the tires only get just a little hot
[SPEAKER_03]: All right, we'll see if I can do it and we'll see if you can do it with your next section Which is my favorite section because you all make it up in his your audience question Just I realize I got rescue rangers.
[SPEAKER_01]: I knew I That's what I didn't want to call you out.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm not having your Disney afternoon like handled in your head You were thinking Monterey Jack.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I went through with Zippermilad He's mustache spinning when he smells a little bit of cheese.
[SPEAKER_01]: Whether it's good or limber or whatnot
[SPEAKER_01]: but I got you, I had you, but I had to, I was trying to, Alex set me up to prove my tailspin bone of feet.
[SPEAKER_01]: No, I'm not saying you did a bad thing.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm saying I couldn't come out and be like, yes, Pete, everyone on that show loves cheese when I know they don't.
[SPEAKER_01]: They're other animals.
[SPEAKER_01]: But they do not be.
[SPEAKER_03]: Don't love cheese.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like they hate cheese.
[SPEAKER_01]: They do, actively, is that part of the theme song?
[SPEAKER_03]: Tellspend, tellspend, tellspend, we hate cheese.
[SPEAKER_03]: Don't like it.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, there's another nation.
[SPEAKER_01]: I after they took on the Soviet Union.
[SPEAKER_01]: They destroyed France in the great.
[SPEAKER_01]: And it wasn't France, exactly.
[SPEAKER_01]: It was a French stand-in.
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, just talking about tailspin, we didn't get into the design of it is like very if you're like the rocketeer, it has that article style.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I was trying to get to the larger ideas of tailspin, which we're about like how to survive in the world, where the capitalism and larger forces are trying to crush you.
[SPEAKER_01]: But the show had that in there and it was like blue either her boss his boss Rebecca how fighting but then getting along and it's a great show and I'm so psyched that it's coming to
[SPEAKER_03]: I'm glad you're excited.
[SPEAKER_03]: I'll fully admit I never watched tell what.
[SPEAKER_03]: How did you miss tailspin?
[SPEAKER_03]: Here's something about tailspin.
[SPEAKER_03]: There were a couple of the reasons I didn't watch tailspin.
[SPEAKER_03]: One of them was hearing that it was like, these are the jungle book characters, but they're not doing jungle book stuff.
[SPEAKER_03]: They're just doing something entirely.
[SPEAKER_03]: Oh, that's what it was.
[SPEAKER_03]: It was a way way better than jungle books.
[SPEAKER_01]: Fine.
[SPEAKER_01]: This is the ultimate form of
[SPEAKER_03]: But then here's the other thing that we're going to be out is their pilots, but launch pad and the quack wasn't in it.
[SPEAKER_03]: And I was like, why isn't he at it?
[SPEAKER_03]: You already have a pilot over these doxings.
[SPEAKER_01]: They're going to only be one pilot.
[SPEAKER_01]: Highland?
[SPEAKER_01]: They're already at somebody at Disney.
[SPEAKER_01]: Listen, listen, there's no ducks in tailspin.
[SPEAKER_01]: All right.
[SPEAKER_01]: They're in a different part of the world.
[SPEAKER_03]: That's a problem.
[SPEAKER_03]: Somebody at Disney made the correct, insane, but correct decision at some point that kids love ducks.
[SPEAKER_01]: They were like, well, the name of the plan was the C duck, Alex.
[SPEAKER_01]: It was the C duck.
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_01]: All right, I guess there's that connection there.
[SPEAKER_01]: So Los Pad was in, was in Duck Tales and Darkwing Duck, that's enough.
[SPEAKER_01]: He's not in that much of an icon.
[SPEAKER_03]: I, I, I'm not going to disagree with you like that, but the fact that they were like, we got Duck Tales, huge hit.
[SPEAKER_03]: Everybody loves ducks.
[SPEAKER_03]: Kids love ducks.
[SPEAKER_03]: They can't get enough of ducks.
[SPEAKER_03]: What's to spit off?
[SPEAKER_03]: Let's do Darkwing Duck.
[SPEAKER_03]: You put Lodge Pad to crack at that.
[SPEAKER_03]: Oh my god, people love these two kids.
[SPEAKER_03]: Cat, I get enough of ducks.
[SPEAKER_03]: We can expand a whole Disney afternoon into a Disney duck afternoon.
[SPEAKER_03]: What do we do?
[SPEAKER_03]: Jungle Book, pilots, not large pad.
[SPEAKER_01]: That last pad and it brought up a show in the down what the one episode the plane crashed that guy couldn't fly He was a plane crashed in a pilot go to bed launch pad.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's time to move on to other Say it was flying kiss my dog could have stopped by Blather and blather sky now, it's I don't think magic could dispel I don't know It just felt like there's a wealth of characters out there.
[SPEAKER_01]: You just opened up a whole part of my brain that I can't
[SPEAKER_01]: Of what he just said go say references of saying references to the show.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Great.
[SPEAKER_03]: Uh, great.
[SPEAKER_03]: I just said several references of the road that you were like, you're the master Justin.
[SPEAKER_03]: What I just what just happened.
[SPEAKER_01]: I consider to collab, but you know Pete's gonna land on me.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yep.
[SPEAKER_03]: That's what improsse all about competition.
[SPEAKER_03]: Uh, Justin, what are you drinking?
[SPEAKER_01]: Actually made up a weird cocktail with what was in my bar.
[SPEAKER_01]: This is a mezcal little a and a clementine Wow, it's like a garbage plate.
[SPEAKER_03]: Are you okay?
[SPEAKER_01]: It's actually really good.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's very savory.
[SPEAKER_01]: Nice.
[SPEAKER_01]: I would I would say try and give this a shot at home What about you Pete?
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, I don't have a garage, but I got the beer And this is your last one, right?
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, yeah, I'm gonna have to give me go to the beer store or find something else.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'll add to the Kelsey Brothers, make some other beer you get or they do and I've tried them all.
[SPEAKER_01]: You're wearing Kelsey Brothers shoes, underwear and everything, right?
[SPEAKER_03]: Not yet.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, well, ready for questions to come in here, we did start a fun trend of
[SPEAKER_02]: makes matching cereal and that's been a fun passion of mine for a while now wait what mixing cereals yeah mixing cereals you know you go you go to the cereal grab a couple mix them up see what happens sorry you're saying the calcium brothers invented that no they didn't invent it but they got to do it it was a in a cereal aisle they do it
[SPEAKER_03]: well they've mixed a bunch of uh... cereals together made their own combination so that's right calci brothers like to loose bears water into the cereal aisle start ripping up and boxes mix them on the floor and eating it off the floors that was going on
[SPEAKER_03]: They don't have a garage, but they do have a floor of the cereal off of them.
[SPEAKER_02]: But it's fun to try different cereals and mix and match them.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, that was, sorry, it's when did they start doing this?
[SPEAKER_03]: Because there was like five pre-pad debit, they were like opening cereal bars everywhere where you could mix up cereal and that was a whole thing.
[SPEAKER_03]: So they just got on.
[SPEAKER_03]: six years later.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, but here's the thing there are trend setters, Alex, and now they've made it they've made it much more acceptable for people like Pete to go to a grocery store and tear a box open.
[SPEAKER_03]: I'm just glad they're speaking out for people who eat cereal.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm glad you're standing up with it.
[SPEAKER_02]: A fun fact, if you make a certain like the right make sure of a cocoa crispy and for us in flakes, you get a strawberry taste.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's poison.
[SPEAKER_03]: You're poison.
[SPEAKER_03]: I believe that's where that new diarrhea comes from.
[SPEAKER_03]: Is that correct?
[SPEAKER_03]: Is that.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, sorry, Alex, you have a new diarrhea.
[SPEAKER_01]: You want to share with us?
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: You have a new diarrhea.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm sorry, I really want to talk about it on this step.
[SPEAKER_02]: Have you ever asked a diarrhea corner?
[SPEAKER_01]: Alex says where that.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm sorry, we were not in it.
[SPEAKER_01]: We were not in it.
[SPEAKER_02]: We were not in it.
[SPEAKER_02]: We don't have diarrhea.
[SPEAKER_01]: He's got a new one.
[SPEAKER_01]: I thought this would be more in our retirement home era episodes, but I guess we're getting there a little early.
[SPEAKER_01]: We have early onset diarrhea here and other stuff, but like, look Alex is bugging the fusty right now, or fusted.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm like your way turns colors.
[SPEAKER_01]: New diarrhea.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, man.
[SPEAKER_01]: Great.
[SPEAKER_03]: Well, we do have one question here.
[SPEAKER_03]: This is from Shrekler.
[SPEAKER_03]: What are your favorite properties movies?
[SPEAKER_02]: I thought you would never ask.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm going to go with, hold on in the barbarian from the 1930s.
[SPEAKER_02]: And you go with the shadow.
[SPEAKER_02]: Doc said, no, no, I'm going to go with the shadow and Conan the barbarian.
[SPEAKER_01]: Wow, Pete, did you get this question ahead of them?
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know, I'm sure.
[SPEAKER_03]: As soon as it came in, I started doing a little research.
[SPEAKER_01]: Wow.
[SPEAKER_03]: Do you know who I like is Superman and Batman?
[SPEAKER_01]: Ooh, really good stuff.
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, I mentioned this character a second ago, but I feel like the rocketeer epitomizes this.
[SPEAKER_03]: Mm-hmm.
[SPEAKER_01]: And it's very fun.
[SPEAKER_01]: There's a type of the art in those old rocketeer comics and the other stuff we're talking about that is so...
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm about to end the animated series.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, exactly.
[SPEAKER_01]: Art's echo.
[SPEAKER_01]: Really involved with those?
[SPEAKER_03]: Not from the 1930s, but of Voking the style of the 1930s.
[SPEAKER_03]: That's great.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: You want some comics from the 1930s?
[SPEAKER_01]: That's what he asked.
[SPEAKER_01]: I know.
[SPEAKER_03]: I know there was in his mid-twenties, then, I believe.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's true.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm sure there's a comic back then about a kid who likes smoke cigars, and that's the one I like.
[SPEAKER_01]: great question.
[SPEAKER_01]: Any picks up there, guys?
[SPEAKER_02]: I guess we got to go with Cam, Yankees pitcher.
[SPEAKER_02]: Absolutely.
[SPEAKER_02]: So Darrell's strawberry in this here.
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, wow, speaking of the 80s.
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, my God.
[SPEAKER_02]: He turned and does this.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, he did 80s.
[SPEAKER_02]: Wow, dude.
[SPEAKER_02]: Do you only know Met's players from the 80s and 90s?
[SPEAKER_02]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_02]: Wow, fun.
[SPEAKER_03]: All right, let's get into it.
[SPEAKER_03]: Doc Gooden, Gary Carter, Muslims, all sound familiar.
[SPEAKER_03]: I read out after by two.
[SPEAKER_03]: Oh, OK.
[SPEAKER_01]: Um, I don't really watch baseball.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: There we go.
[SPEAKER_03]: We got a related one.
[SPEAKER_03]: This is also greater good.
[SPEAKER_03]: Speaking of sportsball wins the next state draft.
[SPEAKER_03]: We were just talking about this.
[SPEAKER_03]: We don't know when maybe it depends on when we don't have a guest.
[SPEAKER_03]: So maybe we'll do it two weeks from now.
[SPEAKER_03]: We have an idea that we won't mention here, but we'll see when we have room for it because we definitely want to do it.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's going to be fun.
[SPEAKER_01]: I promise.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm excited.
[SPEAKER_01]: I love a draft.
[SPEAKER_01]: You do love a draft.
[SPEAKER_03]: Do Bobby Bonilla.
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, Bobby Bonilla.
[SPEAKER_02]: Nice rough.
[SPEAKER_02]: Sick poll.
[SPEAKER_01]: Sick poll.
[SPEAKER_01]: That is an old poll as well.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: uh... uh... uh... uh... uh... uh... uh... uh... uh... uh... uh... uh... uh... uh... uh... uh... uh... uh... uh... uh... uh... uh...
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, there's still a spin.
[SPEAKER_01]: Uh, yes.
[SPEAKER_01]: Let's not move past.
[SPEAKER_01]: I want to do them in order.
[SPEAKER_02]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_02]: Chippendale is my Rangers.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I mean, rescue.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, if we're doing an order, it should be gummy bears first, I believe.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, Bowser here and there and everywhere.
[SPEAKER_01]: Great stuff.
[SPEAKER_01]: Where are the gummy bears?
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_01]: Ducktails, woo woo.
[SPEAKER_01]: Uh, Chippendale rescue Rangers.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Had that not had the most psychs sort of epic pop nature to it Right a tail spin of course Friends for life through thick and thin with another tail spin right Dark wing duck let's get dangerous a wild idea for a theme song for children That showed that it was like what do you watch in this show?
[SPEAKER_01]: It's called it's about getting dangerous That's good dangerous.
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know if Disney would make that move today
[SPEAKER_01]: And then I think that's about it.
[SPEAKER_01]: Maybe Goof Troop came there.
[SPEAKER_01]: There are gargoyles of course.
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, gargoyles, top line dude.
[SPEAKER_01]: That was more of a tone poem than the song.
[SPEAKER_01]: There are no.
[SPEAKER_02]: Still just the...
[SPEAKER_03]: So of those, which one is the best?
[SPEAKER_03]: I gotta go.
[SPEAKER_01]: I gotta go gummy bears.
[SPEAKER_01]: gummy bears.
[SPEAKER_02]: Mm-hm.
[SPEAKER_02]: Doctales.
[SPEAKER_02]: And then I...
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't know man, this is tough.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, Pete stumped.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: I had to say duct tape was just in terms of that is a saw, I say God was every day.
[SPEAKER_02]: So still, which one is this thing almost every day?
[SPEAKER_03]: Duck tape.
[SPEAKER_01]: Do you sing this out loud?
[SPEAKER_03]: Uh, yeah, usually when I hear a phrase that sounds like life is like a heart like Dutcburg specifically.
[SPEAKER_03]: Oh, yeah, like I end up saying like yeah, I don't know like I'm gonna Drink the water in this here thermos that sort of thing like a legitimately every single day I do like that nice Even that water cool or warm, maybe yeah, we don't know Alex loves that thermos full of hot water to go with his new diarrhea
[SPEAKER_01]: You gotta try it.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm starting to get some clues while your body's broken, and you have this fresh D. Follow up here on the Cartoon talk.
[SPEAKER_03]: What is a cartoon or TV show or movie that people would be surprised that you'd never saw.
[SPEAKER_03]: Besides the ones that I already said.
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, there's something I never saw.
[SPEAKER_02]: You've seen it all.
[SPEAKER_02]: I tried to watch them all.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah I mean I will say speaking of gotta collect them all like I never watched the Pokemon cartoon really never well That was they kind of missed us.
[SPEAKER_02]: You know what you mean now, but I was still there.
[SPEAKER_01]: I was still there That was still I mean I was still watching like mystic nights of tear-and-a-n-a I was watching the true trash after television when I was in college Oh, I was thinking about the other day's dark water
[SPEAKER_02]: a higher rate car water.
[SPEAKER_01]: I love that car too great cartoon and that's what that's my answer I don't know what that is really the power to dark water great like anime influenced Sort of pretty dark that show always remind me of silver hawks another old school show from the earlier 80s that I really like
[SPEAKER_02]: But we got to be talking about croquants and totes at some point.
[SPEAKER_02]: You want to talk about a banger of a theme song?
[SPEAKER_02]: Yes, good question.
[SPEAKER_02]: Talk to you here.
[SPEAKER_01]: Another cartoon that I know Pete and I know it, and we may be the only ones left.
[SPEAKER_02]: Also, mask was it just an unbelievable theme song?
[SPEAKER_02]: I've never heard you say that, interesting.
[SPEAKER_03]: This is an interesting one from just, oh, Justin, Otsuka.
[SPEAKER_03]: Do you guys think you'll ever do any collab episodes with other podcasters or YouTubers?
[SPEAKER_03]: Maybe some sort of big top 10 ranking thing or something.
[SPEAKER_03]: That's a great idea.
[SPEAKER_03]: I never thought about that before, but I love it.
[SPEAKER_03]: Would love to have been ton of collabs.
[SPEAKER_02]: We've been on other people's podcast.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, yeah, but I think I'd be down for that.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, yeah, for anybody else in the ideas hit us up happy to do something like that.
[SPEAKER_03]: We've got a couple of other legends here, Rovo Tech is sick.
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, yes, oh, yes, straight.
[SPEAKER_01]: I never got into Rovo Tech either, but what was the one with the magnetic boots?
[SPEAKER_01]: There was like a mask, a second step.
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, we have to mask the boots one.
[SPEAKER_01]: Magna something those were cool and that cartoon was great.
[SPEAKER_01]: I remember where I in Syracuse It was on the family channel on Sundays and that was like what my brother and I had to look forward to on Sundays is getting home to watch that show
[SPEAKER_03]: Oh, I had for good totally forgot about this.
[SPEAKER_03]: Capture of the glue says I still finally remember Alex talking about taxi on the Brett White podcast that was probably like 15 years ago.
[SPEAKER_02]: The taxi TV show?
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, yeah, he did a what was it called must-seen TV or something like that.
[SPEAKER_03]: Must-have-seen TV.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, that was fun.
[SPEAKER_03]: We got another one.
[SPEAKER_03]: Any mighty max fans?
[SPEAKER_01]: Also, a series I never watched, but one that I watched was fantastic, Max.
[SPEAKER_01]: Anybody?
[SPEAKER_01]: He was a baby who had self-depocrines and mysteries.
[SPEAKER_01]: And it was about making sure he had a diaper pin by the end of it.
[SPEAKER_03]: Here's the thing.
[SPEAKER_03]: There's a lot of cartoons out there, and they're all wonderful.
[SPEAKER_03]: And your questions were all wonderful this evening.
[SPEAKER_03]: Oh, we have a one-the-cabe and right at the end here Streebull it says is Avengers doomsday gonna suck.
[SPEAKER_03]: Well, it's help not man That would really I mean, I don't want to speak for Justin, but Justin believes it's gonna be the best movie of the year Now I didn't say that I think he did best movie of the year
[SPEAKER_01]: I believe movies we were looking forward to and felt like we're going to work and I did take that and I do think it's going to be a big hit and I think it's going to be in looking to be good good.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's going to be interesting.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's interesting going from this is going to be the number one MCU movie of our time to dogs barking and handling and
[SPEAKER_03]: people chasing you through the woods you know i think the numbers are going to be huge just because people don't see it people uh... by a lot of shit bad well interesting all right diarrhea guy uh... yes i do think of edge of your students and it's going to suck you think it's going to be legitimately bad i think it's going to be bad i come on bro
[SPEAKER_03]: I want to be clear about one thing this is not like if it's good you really showed me because I'm gonna walk into that theater being like I hope this is good.
[SPEAKER_03]: I want it to be good And I want it doesn't seem like that's I don't know.
[SPEAKER_03]: I want to have a good time because I love Marvel stuff I love super-year stuff.
[SPEAKER_03]: I always want to watch a good movie.
[SPEAKER_03]: I never want to watch a bad movie So I want to go there the last time you have a great time.
[SPEAKER_03]: Feel things awesome.
[SPEAKER_03]: I Do not think there's a very good chance of that
[SPEAKER_03]: Right, so do you think it's going to go the spider man then do me say that's what the box office is going to say so you're saying no We just said this box office has nothing to do not directly with the quality of the box office is going to be huge there But let me let me ask you this Alex someone who if I remember the Alex I'm speaking with who likes Thunderbolts and Like fantastic for it and I like fantastic for yes, so these movies are certainly in that
[SPEAKER_01]: lineage of creative properties but with the plus up of the original Avengers cast members coming back.
[SPEAKER_03]: It all feels so sweaty and desperate.
[SPEAKER_03]: There's too many characters in it.
[SPEAKER_03]: There's too many plotlines throwing in Robert Tandy Jr. is Dr. Doom all of it like we just said.
[SPEAKER_03]: I could go in there and it could be like a magic trick.
[SPEAKER_03]: We're like none of these elements are going to work together and then they'll surprisingly do.
[SPEAKER_03]: I felt that a little way, a little bit going in to see Spider-Man no way home.
[SPEAKER_03]: or it's like, I don't know if they're going to make this work.
[SPEAKER_03]: There's so many villains.
[SPEAKER_03]: There's the multiverse stuff.
[SPEAKER_03]: I think we all know that Andrew Garfield, the Toby McGuire could be here and here.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's going to be overloaded.
[SPEAKER_03]: And then they made that movie work by just focusing in on Tom Holland in his emotional journey as a character.
[SPEAKER_03]: and then let everything all serve that.
[SPEAKER_03]: There was a lot of fun to be had there.
[SPEAKER_03]: So the exact same thing could happen in Dubes Day.
[SPEAKER_03]: The problem is they have 600 characters in this movie that they all somehow need to serve with plotlines that have been very janky for the past couple years and not really amounted to much.
[SPEAKER_03]: So again, they might pull off a magic trick.
[SPEAKER_03]: That would be awesome.
[SPEAKER_03]: I would love that.
[SPEAKER_03]: But I don't feel very confident, particularly given the rusos have turned out
[SPEAKER_03]: over the past couple of years since Avengers Endgame.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm sorry.
[SPEAKER_03]: I forgot that Pete is the number one the gray man stand on the podcast.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, there has to be one in every room.
[SPEAKER_01]: I agree with you there, but I think this is going to be like it's like going back after you've gone to college to a high school party.
[SPEAKER_01]: So there's going to be, like, you know what you're getting, they know what they're making much more.
[SPEAKER_01]: I feel like then these other things that they've made where they had way too much money and creative freedom.
[SPEAKER_01]: This they have a lot of money, but they end the creative, guardrails are already in place.
[SPEAKER_01]: So I'm going to choose to remain optimistic.
[SPEAKER_02]: I also think it doesn't have to be a magic trick, they just got to set up what they're paying off.
[SPEAKER_02]: You know what I mean?
[SPEAKER_02]: That's all they got to do is, that's what a magic trick is.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's what a magic trick is.
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, it doesn't have to be magic or fooling.
[SPEAKER_02]: You could just be like, hey, we're going to pull this off.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's it.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's just going to be the plane's going to go up in there and then it's going to land.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's magic.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's awesome.
[SPEAKER_01]: I love that.
[SPEAKER_02]: I love that.
[SPEAKER_03]: When I go up at a plate and it lads, I'm like, hell yes.
[SPEAKER_01]: I like what a pilot is says, nothing up my sleeve, presto, and then three hours later to the plainlands.
[SPEAKER_03]: Oh, man.
[SPEAKER_03]: That's crazy.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's the ultimate.
[SPEAKER_02]: What's the best time you've been on a plate that's landed, Pete?
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, geez.
[SPEAKER_02]: I assume if you were in first class and you're getting free booze, you know what I mean?
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, the stakes are low, but not to be the Bayes Airlines.
[SPEAKER_03]: We've got a couple of others that came into the meantime, Gary Romes says, what casting rubbers for brand new day are most likely least likely to happen?
[SPEAKER_03]: I guess we need qualifications as to what those casting rubbers are.
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, I think the number one is the Sadie Sync Gene Gray situation.
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, to some of them more, like I think we can say that the Punisher will be in the movie.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, I think the whole that one will be in the movie.
[SPEAKER_03]: There's a 90% chance Spider-Man will be in the movie, but I don't want I guarantee that
[SPEAKER_03]: But if there is anything that I know, this is from Captain the glued to they catch the breaking news that Blue Beetle is going to be in Manitumoro.
[SPEAKER_03]: This was just up on variety.
[SPEAKER_03]: All we know about it is so though Meritumoro is going to be back as Blue Beetle is going to be in Manitumoro.
[SPEAKER_03]: We don't know what role or how big or anything like that.
[SPEAKER_03]: But there you go.
[SPEAKER_03]: How to feel about that.
[SPEAKER_03]: That's sad.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think it's good.
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, it's very interesting like trying
[SPEAKER_01]: in the DC movie universe with super girl being such a failure at the box office, coupled with all of the like what's going to happen with the paramount Warner merger and it feels like what they're doing in the DC office being like, hey, where's we have a plan beyond this?
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, to maybe make a case to the paramount that they should still be able to do what they're doing and then this movie which will be
[SPEAKER_01]: It seems like, you know, we know Super Ghosts going to be in it.
[SPEAKER_01]: We know it's going to be focusing on Lex and Superman, and a larger threat likely where they're going to have to come together potentially.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, Blue Beetle in this mix now, are we doing an almost justice league-esque story with a lot of heroes coming together, the Justice Gang will be in this as well.
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know, it's interesting.
[SPEAKER_01]: It might be a weirder movie than even these other ones.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I think it probably will be.
[SPEAKER_03]: I liked Zola Margarina as Blue Beetle.
[SPEAKER_03]: I thought that movie was pretty fun as I'm excited to see it back.
[SPEAKER_03]: There is
[SPEAKER_03]: I have like two initial thoughts when I heard this announcement.
[SPEAKER_03]: One is he definitely already filmed his role like a month ago at this point like it's not like when these things come out of the trade usually and they say this person has been cast in the movie.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's done.
[SPEAKER_03]: They did it.
[SPEAKER_03]: It already happened and they added agreement to let out the information at this time that's most of the time what's going on here.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's very, really, rarely actual breaking news.
[SPEAKER_03]: But the other thing, which is definitely not true, but I had this feeling anyway, is I wondered, since James got us been talking about having him back as Blue Beat All from Wave and before Superman, like Dawn of the DCU, when he was talking about plans, this felt a little bit like, oh, Pol Ripcord, we maybe need to like, Genesis and the whole franchise, get everything in there that we said we're gonna get in there.
[SPEAKER_03]: I don't think that's true, but I'm just saying like that was, there's a little bit of a feeling with the DCU like, okay, you gotta get to it now.
[SPEAKER_03]: You don't do this now.
[SPEAKER_03]: Do the thing, you've had enough, enough starts to the universe, now you really actually have to start the universe.
[SPEAKER_03]: So, we'll see.
[SPEAKER_01]: really interesting well and also like what I've been thinking about lately i mean a lot of this hinges on clay face if clay face works and can somehow be put in the line of these other beats so mad about talking about this put in the line of these other horror movie hits this year
[SPEAKER_01]: and be a third or fourth data point there, like that could really pivot the direction of all of these superhero property movies I feel like.
[SPEAKER_03]: Well, I hope it does because my other big feeling that I've been having from my very outside perspective here is that James Goddard feels like is staying the course.
[SPEAKER_03]: He's like, I'm confident in my vision, which is nice, up to a point,
[SPEAKER_03]: But he is starting to show that he is a good creative, meaning like a good writer and director, but me may not quite write as a studio boss.
[SPEAKER_03]: And as the studio boss, you need to be able to take that step back and say, okay, we have this plan, we like what we're doing, but it's just not connecting for whatever reason.
[SPEAKER_03]: So what do we have to do differently because ultimately,
[SPEAKER_03]: I love art.
[SPEAKER_03]: I want to see some interesting things as a viewer, but you also need to be thinking about covers at the same time.
[SPEAKER_03]: And we've had the same conversation before, but like, I'm dying to see dynamic duo, but I don't think puppet Robin movie is the thing that's me like we got this trade back on track.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, but I would throw out there that supergirls were like Superman did well enough to be considered the plan is starting the plan is working.
[SPEAKER_03]: Supergirl is there's sort of big hurtful stumbling block right now like I think they're still I wouldn't knock him except and I know I brought this up before as well But I keep seeing people make the same mistake was just they're not mentioning the fact that nobody really watched Creature Kovados or piecemaker season 2 or at least not at the level that you need for a massive
[SPEAKER_03]: Global franchise.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and you could argue that's a misstep as a like these are our first two things we're doing But like creature commandos was never gonna be a huge mainstream hit is a pretty weird cartoon animated television show And peacemaker was the second season of a show that was already out there and yes It wasn't as good as the first season.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think maybe all of us including people to greet is
[SPEAKER_01]: but it certainly was a heightened version that continued the exact time season two of the original season.
[SPEAKER_01]: So I don't know.
[SPEAKER_01]: Tim metals was hysterical in season two.
[SPEAKER_03]: I am merely talking about the cobbler side of things, which affects us as viewers and fans a lot less, but
[SPEAKER_03]: He needs to start listening to that and figuring out how to get viewers and money.
[SPEAKER_03]: If he wants to keep his artistic vision going.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, and I think if he had moved the goal, if they had moved the goal post and started the DC universe with Superman, I feel like we wouldn't be doing it.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think that was a mistake to be like, let's go.
[SPEAKER_01]: So yes, that would I would classify as a mistake and they should have done it with Superman.
[SPEAKER_01]: It would have made total sense in every way to do that.
[SPEAKER_01]: But I think if Lanterns works on HBO and Clayface works as a lower budget genre hit in movie theaters, I think he's going to be on a course to win.
[SPEAKER_01]: The other thing I would say also is maybe a lot of this is indication that they should be more of a TV focus studio at a time when superhero movies are less of a thing anyway, and only pop out in genre ways where it makes sense for a movie to be a character or
[SPEAKER_03]: make the lower tier interesting efforts because if all the things that were coming out at theaters from DC Studios were clayface, dynamic duo, the Christopher Reeve doc that I thought was really wonderful.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_03]: Well, like that's great.
[SPEAKER_03]: I would rather I wouldn't win just that coming out versus on the umpteenth Batman and super band movie and interconnected universes, whatever.
[SPEAKER_03]: Like you're saying,
[SPEAKER_03]: Do that on TV pop out for some if he's really able to keep being bullish about we got to have the best scripts hopefully also pivoting into we have the best directors as well, but like making sure your project is ready to go.
[SPEAKER_03]: That's great, but then don't make an intricate universe.
[SPEAKER_03]: Make it a series of done in ones where people are really like taking swings with their visions.
[SPEAKER_01]: Or if you want to get even weirder with it, take something like Doom Patrol or a property like that and give it to a young filmmaker to do on YouTube.
[SPEAKER_01]: And do like make some stuff that could actually get into people's consciousness rather than trying to
[SPEAKER_01]: tell us it's important from the top, make it important from the bottom with actual property that people are fans of.
[SPEAKER_03]: Take it even further, do you like a detective-chimp series as for little shorts on TikTok, you know?
[SPEAKER_03]: Maybe they're like a little perverted, you know, that would be kind of interesting.
[SPEAKER_01]: you're talking about the detective ship only fans that you've been hitting us.
[SPEAKER_03]: It is a guaranteed money maker.
[SPEAKER_03]: You guys are like I keep saying, and this is very funny every time I say it, bananas not to do it.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, definitely.
[SPEAKER_01]: You just say that a lot, and now I'm finally understanding what you met the whole thing.
[SPEAKER_03]: Well, that's it for your audience questions.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Digital Zach already said me so digital Zach on twitch.
[SPEAKER_03]: You are up for trivia.
[SPEAKER_03]: Pete.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_03]: All right.
[SPEAKER_03]: Give it to us.
[SPEAKER_02]: All right.
[SPEAKER_02]: Today's trivia is about the comic kingdom of earth and the small nod to the legendary Conway.
[SPEAKER_02]: RIP.
[SPEAKER_02]: Thanks for all you did for comics and the great stories you shared.
[SPEAKER_02]: Here we go.
[SPEAKER_02]: Question number one.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yep, when does it take place?
[SPEAKER_02]: Is it A, 2036?
[SPEAKER_02]: B, what would you call me if I went back in time to watch MJ and cheer for him live at a game?
[SPEAKER_02]: See, Jordan Rooton.
[SPEAKER_01]: MJ, wow, you're really, I guess that, all this sports talk earlier, really got you fired up.
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, hey.
[SPEAKER_02]: Hey, it's correct, yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: All right, here we go, question number two.
[SPEAKER_02]: And the beautifully drawn comic kingdom of the earth, hordes of blank rose from the earth and sea.
[SPEAKER_02]: Is it a, monsters?
[SPEAKER_02]: B, how is Randy?
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, I wouldn't say she was super sad.
[SPEAKER_02]: C, Randy, seeper sad.
[SPEAKER_01]: I want to do some behind-the-scenes stuff, tracking your development of these questions on a week by week basis.
[SPEAKER_01]: Hey, is it A?
[SPEAKER_01]: A is correct!
[SPEAKER_01]: Can we get some footage of you when you're doing this?
[SPEAKER_01]: You're like set up a little camera in the corner.
[SPEAKER_01]: I want to see you, like give it to yourself.
[SPEAKER_03]: We can do a Patreon level for that, right?
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I can.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I'll be lonely to that.
[SPEAKER_02]: Okay, here we go.
[SPEAKER_02]: Last one.
[SPEAKER_02]: Speaking of amazing art, who is the artist for the so far glorious comic kingdom of earth?
[SPEAKER_02]: Is it a, so lee?
[SPEAKER_02]: Be, oh my god, did I just overhear you tells Schmidt you love him for the first time?
[SPEAKER_02]: See, love you Schmidt.
[SPEAKER_01]: about is that a reference to new girl?
[SPEAKER_01]: It's a new girl reference.
[SPEAKER_03]: Is it a, a is correct.
[SPEAKER_03]: Wow, congratulations.
[SPEAKER_03]: Digital DAC, you are gonna get a chance to get a gift card to bidtown comics, just sure as to leave home.
[SPEAKER_03]: We'll get that off to you.
[SPEAKER_03]: Pete, what is the secret Jerry Conway movie?
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, it's teasing.
[SPEAKER_01]: I've since surely limited for this.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I'm fortunate that he wrote movies, but as far as being an actor,
[SPEAKER_02]: He was in the 2020 TV series, quarantine leap, quarantine leap, that's right, TV series, TV series, ran for six seasons.
[SPEAKER_01]: What really got hurt and wouldn't that work you can find that I couldn't find that And this related thing who shut up these rules for this quiz that's what I was gonna say as well Why does it happen
[SPEAKER_03]: Anyway, as we all don't do comics are coming out tomorrow.
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh my god, they are too.
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh my god, it's so my great things.
[SPEAKER_02]: Grendel, a devil's crucible, a sedation number one.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm really looking forward to that.
[SPEAKER_02]: Invincible universe, battlebees, number 11, looking forward to that.
[SPEAKER_02]: Course TSU, Ninja Turtles, the last row in training day.
[SPEAKER_02]: Number one, really looking forward to that.
[SPEAKER_02]: Punisher Spider-Man, number one, really looking forward to that.
[SPEAKER_02]: And of course, infertile Hulk, number nine, really looking forward to that.
[SPEAKER_01]: That feels like a lot.
[SPEAKER_01]: Can you be looking forward to all of those things?
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm going to give it up for the return of assorted crisis events.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I also want to say, give it up for a little bit of the one-of-series we've been talking about these and these have been such a pleasant surprise as I feel like there's another one coming out tomorrow about Jessica Jones and so I'm looking forward to that Jessica Jones would have Jessica Jones and absolute green arrow.
[SPEAKER_01]: Really we had a great interview with
[SPEAKER_01]: Raphael Albert Crooky talking about this currently and the first two issues have been much darker and building out in area of the absolute universe that I didn't expect just the absolute dark corporates nature of humanity that is basically our reality and this comic keeps digging deeper into that so looking forward to more
[SPEAKER_03]: a couple of other things I'll mention something epic number thirteen is coming out tomorrow from image comics uh... we really enjoy the first part of the series by Simon could transki about a woman who meets a bunch of fictional characters carries to see what he does now that he is essentially finished off the premise and is coming back also felt fall of the house of slaughter from boom studios and something is killing the children spin off really been enjoying this one some carries to see if they can keep it up in issue three
[SPEAKER_03]: And a couple of other things, but I will mention end of life number six from DC in Vertigo.
[SPEAKER_03]: This is Kyle Starks and Steve Pew, to the Vertigo book.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's ridiculously silly and violent and fun every issue.
[SPEAKER_03]: Just just our great comic book, one of my favorite things to come out of this Vertigo reboot.
[SPEAKER_03]: And folks, that is it for this week's show.
[SPEAKER_03]: Thank you to Amanda Diberd for coming on to the show to talk about dynamite's tail spin that's coming out august 19th also As we mentioned master's the universe legends of attorney is out a July read that before you see the movie July 29 before Tokyo pop by the way Pete.
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, what do you think of the movie?
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, well, that's, I got away for this book to come out because I got to read that and then see it.
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, welcome.
[SPEAKER_02]: Not a he-man fan.
[SPEAKER_02]: Got it.
[SPEAKER_03]: Next week on the show, we are not going to have a guest here, but we are going to do a San Diego Comic Con preview for you talking down the stuff that we're excited to see or hear about.
[SPEAKER_03]: You've already heard some of my thoughts about Avengers.
[SPEAKER_03]: Doomsday, so expect those to repeat a little bit next week.
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