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[SPEAKER_00]: Welcome, everybody.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's another episode of how we would God follow the blockers.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Pat Paturelli.
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[SPEAKER_00]: gradually as it progresses in sign contracts, but it's very all good.
[SPEAKER_00]: So tonight Pat has a special investigative type story that we were all a part of indirectly and directly, but him being a police officer, he's going to detail as if he's doing an episode of Laura and Anna.
[SPEAKER_02]: Take it away, Pat.
[SPEAKER_02]: OK, there was a time in mob history in the 70s, there early 70s, where there was a lot of turmoil with the banana prime family.
[SPEAKER_02]: And what I'm going to start to talk about in Johnny will love pickup because he has a personal knowledge and interaction with the principal Joe Benano is a convoluted story.
[SPEAKER_02]: of how family relationships can screw everything up, which we know not only in organized crime, animals, but in real life, how about my life and all my kids and all their life?
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm not even, even, even, even arguing at the Thanksgiving table, you know, it just screws up everything.
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, God.
[SPEAKER_02]: a major school up which led to a shootout which went down in the annals of organized crime as the wildest biggest shootout and mafia history that not many people are even aware of.
[SPEAKER_02]: So we will begin with a character by the name of Gaspard Degrogerio, who was one of Joe Bernardo's closest friends.
[SPEAKER_02]: Who's the best man?
[SPEAKER_02]: Wasn't he too tall?
[SPEAKER_02]: Pardon?
[SPEAKER_02]: Wasn't he his best man?
[SPEAKER_02]: I was just getting to that.
[SPEAKER_02]: It was the best man in his wedding in 1931.
[SPEAKER_02]: This is basically the inception of the mob as we know it.
[SPEAKER_02]: And Joe Bonano was one of the principles that organized organized crime.
[SPEAKER_02]: When we talked about that in the past.
[SPEAKER_02]: Now, a cousin named Stefano Magadino was also a relative of Joe.
[SPEAKER_02]: She was another cousin.
[SPEAKER_02]: So he got Degrogario and Magadino.
[SPEAKER_02]: two cousins, well, what was the friend that was Bulgaria and Macadena was a cousin?
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, Macadena, that family originated in Buffalo when they settled.
[SPEAKER_00]: And they're like, now crime family.
[SPEAKER_02]: I know I'd more like Bulgaria would marry Maria.
[SPEAKER_02]: Ever's listening to this, it's going to be a test, OK?
[SPEAKER_02]: Connected lots.
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[SPEAKER_02]: She didn't last very long.
[SPEAKER_02]: She died in 1927 at the age of 23 not true causes at 23 Yeah, she had pneumonia or something.
[SPEAKER_02]: You know in those days.
[SPEAKER_02]: You caught a call.
[SPEAKER_02]: Do you have that in the 70s?
[SPEAKER_02]: No, this is 1930 Oh, okay 1927.
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, I'm just trying to explain clearly as I could
[SPEAKER_00]: You're giving us the family tree.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yes, yes, because the family is very much involved in this craziness.
[SPEAKER_02]: So in 1931, Diego Garrio, now in addition to being the best man that Joe Benado's wedding becomes his very best friend.
[SPEAKER_02]: And the Godfather to Joe Bernadau's first son, who's named was Salvatore, and naturally, they called him Bill.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I know what that's, I don't want.
[SPEAKER_00]: No sense, but he's got half of this story.
[SPEAKER_00]: But the funniest thing about that, he looks more like a bill than the Salvatore.
[SPEAKER_00]: Because he looks like a CPA.
[SPEAKER_00]: I know, I mean, he's so, when I met him for I knew about him,
[SPEAKER_00]: And he was father made him early on in life, like so many fathers do, I don't know why they've been there sons into this.
[SPEAKER_00]: But I had the privilege later on meeting with him in Tucson, which we'll get into.
[SPEAKER_00]: And when I met the guy, I said, this guy trying to be John Wayne.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, cowboy boots, he's like six years old.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, but he looked like a Westerner.
[SPEAKER_02]: But his father brought it in at what him in as this could the consigularity right off you know I mean that's for those of you don't know what that is that's a counselor who is a a person who has been involved in the life all his life which is an all the person who was looked upon for six year advice.
[SPEAKER_02]: And so what do they do they get a guy fresh out of college and they make him the number three man.
[SPEAKER_02]: in the banana crime family just goes to show you how they were organized.
[SPEAKER_02]: Hello.
[SPEAKER_02]: Hey, so after Salvador Maranzano was killed in his office in 1931, jaw-pointed Degarri was one of his captains and set him up with his own crew.
[SPEAKER_02]: So this is when organized crime is not organized crime.
[SPEAKER_02]: There are five families, the Colombo family back then was known as the confitory family and we'll get into that shortly.
[SPEAKER_02]: Degogario now was a major criminal never convicted of anything or as he would say later on I am a man of no convictions.
[SPEAKER_00]: I got to use that I like that.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, you know, actually a very generic
[SPEAKER_02]: Joe Bernardo didn't think very much of his second in command, his best friend, his best man, he called him at one time and I'm quoting here, as most deficient in leadership qualities, let's make him a boss, okay.
[SPEAKER_02]: He's the captain of his own crew.
[SPEAKER_02]: He also said that he was too slow of thought and ineffectual.
[SPEAKER_02]: Let's give that man a promotion.
[SPEAKER_02]: Okay, so
[SPEAKER_02]: uh... digogario was known as uh... a guy that didn't have the stomach of violence he was a he was a peace loving thug that makes any sense so far here's no qualification to even be in a borske uh... no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no
[SPEAKER_02]: uh... with other gangsters which was known as ready for this i didn't make this up the banana split i love it man are you kidding i thought you don't know what you said i thought you definitely made that i can't claim credit for that that was uh... actual actually what they call anyway jobanado in nineteen sixty three for some unknown reason applies for canadian citizenship
[SPEAKER_02]: and Macmedino came to believe that his cousin was making a move on the upstate New York faction of the mob because it bought his Canada.
[SPEAKER_02]: So to their way of thinking, well, that's where Macmedino was a boss in Buffalo, that's why.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, well, that's right on the board of this.
[SPEAKER_02]: They think it's, well, Joe Bernardo must be getting Canadian citizenship to take us over in Buffalo.
[SPEAKER_02]: Does that make any sense to you?
[SPEAKER_02]: It really does.
[SPEAKER_00]: It really does.
[SPEAKER_00]: Because, you know, it's true.
[SPEAKER_00]: One of his biggest crew and bigger earning crew was in Canada.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: What about a lot of listeners don't know.
[SPEAKER_00]: A lot of Italians, as they migrated to America, some of them came from Canada.
[SPEAKER_00]: And then when they got to Canada, they never came across the border because they got operating on both borders without being so scrutinized by the American government.
[SPEAKER_02]: And they were a lot less scrutinized and candidate that they got away literally with more years.
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, you know, that's what I'm saying.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's why they did it.
[SPEAKER_00]: But Mac Mac Adino, I know that Mac Adino's really well.
[SPEAKER_00]: In fact, some of the kids are still alive.
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, so the story goes.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, his family's still around.
[SPEAKER_02]: But Joe Bonan, I had a site set on becoming the boss of New York's Mafia, to achieve this.
[SPEAKER_02]: He had a get rid of Colo Gambino
[SPEAKER_02]: Tommy Lucas.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's going to happen.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: Exactly.
[SPEAKER_02]: Like, that's going to happen tomorrow.
[SPEAKER_02]: This guy can't even control his own family.
[SPEAKER_02]: So along with cousin Megadino, and the boss of the mafia family, Frank D. Simone, so he wanted his cousin whack too.
[SPEAKER_02]: And the boss, if there wasn't organized crime, functional organized crime family in LA at the time, which I doubt.
[SPEAKER_02]: But they became powerful a little later when the movie business got stronger.
[SPEAKER_02]: But they're still talking to silent, silent movie area here and just coming out of the silence.
[SPEAKER_02]: Now Hollywood wasn't as big as it became in a late 30s and 40s.
[SPEAKER_02]: Anyway, he wants to kill everybody.
[SPEAKER_02]: He wants to kill Gambino.
[SPEAKER_02]: We can be crazy.
[SPEAKER_02]: His cousin, back in Dino.
[SPEAKER_02]: And the boss of the Los Angeles Mafia family was somebody very high up in that crew.
[SPEAKER_00]: uh... draga took over at the frankie yeah after the whole fiasco abomin uh... Mickey Cohen's house that's another whole thing
[SPEAKER_00]: That was what we were going on.
[SPEAKER_00]: I know.
[SPEAKER_02]: Where he got, you know, what's he been extremely power on, we saw.
[SPEAKER_02]: He comes up with this other unbelievable idea.
[SPEAKER_02]: He's going to have Joe Colombo.
[SPEAKER_02]: He hires Joe Colombo, who was a captain under profanity, who Bernardo wanted over throwy.
[SPEAKER_02]: He hires Colombo to do all these hits.
[SPEAKER_02]: And what does Colombo do?
[SPEAKER_02]: I'll leave that to you, Johnny.
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, I know what he did then, God, he did because, you know, he goes to Gambino, right at them out and said, this is what's happening.
[SPEAKER_00]: And Gambino gave him the contract and said, listen, you take care of Papachi, which he didn't have to do because he died in natural causes.
[SPEAKER_00]: And if this is all resolved, we will give you the Papachi family.
[SPEAKER_00]: and now it's called the Colombo family.
[SPEAKER_00]: And for our listeners who know my history, if it wasn't for Joe Colombo and I have to say it openly, I owe him the credit, we made the deal.
[SPEAKER_00]: I wouldn't have been in the movie to Godfather.
[SPEAKER_00]: Because he was the one that called Godapult.
[SPEAKER_02]: This is it all.
[SPEAKER_02]: This is what the Colombo Johnny Rousseau's podcast.
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[SPEAKER_02]: did the strategically correct thing.
[SPEAKER_02]: He was taking a plan that had no way of resolving itself by wiping all these people.
[SPEAKER_02]: This is the movie, The Godfather, where they kill the heads of the five families, all in a space of 10 minutes.
[SPEAKER_00]: You're well, they're pursuing my baby.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, he was silly.
[SPEAKER_02]: So he does the right thing by turning on Joe Bonano and his plan.
[SPEAKER_02]: But let me ask you this, and it's something
[SPEAKER_02]: What was your- what was Columbus reputation like for the rest of his life once he did that?
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, the the first problem with when in the using the referencing of God for the movie.
[SPEAKER_00]: The banana family as I know it was the family that was trying to introduce the drugs.
[SPEAKER_00]: And that's why the Gambino character played by Maulim Brando.
[SPEAKER_00]: They said we stay out of the drugs.
[SPEAKER_00]: Because that's, that lose all their power politically, and which all was true.
[SPEAKER_00]: But the problem that Banano had was that he was such a big earner.
[SPEAKER_00]: Sicily wouldn't let them kill him.
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know if you knew that.
[SPEAKER_00]: Now Sicily, because they had to go to the commission, and the commission said, what this guy earns, he stays.
[SPEAKER_00]: They gave them an ultimatum, go back to Sicily and run your family from there with some people have done in the past, and war.
[SPEAKER_00]: go to Arizona.
[SPEAKER_00]: And he went to Tucson, Arizona.
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, I don't know how many people have traveled to Arizona.
[SPEAKER_00]: Tucson is the armpit of Arizona.
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, before he wound up there, he had a lot of adventures here.
[SPEAKER_02]: But my question to you is, in an organization that
[SPEAKER_02]: at the time, specifically, he was nobody, nobody flipped, nobody talked, nobody ratted until Joe Volacic comes along in 1964.
[SPEAKER_02]: So he basically ratted out, Joe Bonato, for a good cause, he wanted to save some lives here and increases power.
[SPEAKER_02]: My question, he was, what was his reputation?
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_00]: The reason why he was so reviewed, the Gambino family had like 2,000 members.
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, they had 150 major guys and they, I mean, they were major owners.
[SPEAKER_00]: They controlled all the peers, not just in New York City and New Jersey, but everywhere.
[SPEAKER_00]: So, I mean,
[SPEAKER_00]: That's why the Gambino family was the end of the five families.
[SPEAKER_02]: And they wanted that biggest family out of the five.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, still now.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, that doesn't seem to look so he wasn't he wasn't talking about the behind this back that he was a rat.
[SPEAKER_00]: No, no, no.
[SPEAKER_02]: No, that's the question.
[SPEAKER_00]: No, the question is for the people they were already being turned off by getting involved in drugs.
[SPEAKER_00]: And that's what banana wanted to do and did.
[SPEAKER_00]: And then he got Pofachii, who was getting older, and what I know of Pofachii, I mean, I know John is son and all his grandsons, in fact, I went to business with them with Calavita.
[SPEAKER_00]: Calavita is their brand stillings, worth fortunes, they sold it off recently, but he helped, well, yeah, okay, all the Calavita brands, everything on the shelves, that's them
[SPEAKER_00]: Joe Pofachy was such a gentleman and not really a, in to violent.
[SPEAKER_00]: His thing was like, they gave him a family, he took it in early on, they did well.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I think they were even divided as far as the drugs go because, you know, Joe Pofachy was an amazing family man.
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, I know the whole, all the grandkids and everybody.
[SPEAKER_00]: They still live on Staten Island.
[SPEAKER_00]: In fact, John and Connie's wife just moved to New Jersey now, John is in his 80s.
[SPEAKER_00]: And, but, you know, so that was the end that the Pavachi family becomes the Colombo family.
[SPEAKER_00]: And Colombo was very aggressive and a big earner already.
[SPEAKER_02]: And so, you know, all right, so he cemented his reputation and his place as that had a 105 families.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's what I was unsure of, but so, as you said, Fashi dies in June of 1962, I'm natural causes, which doesn't happen a lot in that business.
[SPEAKER_02]: Right.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yambino and Lukazy, who were targets of Joe Benano,
[SPEAKER_02]: but also close personal friends related by the marriages of their children.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, let me into it.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, so I'm saying, because Tommy Gambino married a little Casey's daughter.
[SPEAKER_00]: See, so those two families were so powerful now, but it's like, you know.
[SPEAKER_02]: You wonder if these marriages were set up to Ghana and cement power?
[SPEAKER_00]: No, you know what it was and I'm a victim of that, I mean it's ironic so many things you brought up that I became part of.
[SPEAKER_00]: There were mouchards.
[SPEAKER_00]: I had a mouchard, my grandmother sent my grandfather sent me up to married as a woman whose for names I don't want to mention because they're still around.
[SPEAKER_00]: Half father was a gambino and a boss and that is on crew.
[SPEAKER_00]: So it's something you're thrown into.
[SPEAKER_00]: So, you know, at 15, now we start having Sunday, then, is every other Sunday.
[SPEAKER_00]: I went off-family, now the Sunday, I'm there.
[SPEAKER_00]: And now I'm saying to myself, I was all over the street already, and it didn't mean not to make it.
[SPEAKER_00]: I thought it would never happen to us.
[SPEAKER_00]: I went to Gambino when they said a date for me to get married.
[SPEAKER_00]: How old were you?
[SPEAKER_00]: I was 18.
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, she was 17.
[SPEAKER_00]: I said, wait a minute.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I said to you, oh man, I said, this is barbaric.
[SPEAKER_00]: He's what you say.
[SPEAKER_00]: I said, this is barbaric.
[SPEAKER_00]: He's, you know, this is Sicilian, and you're doing it.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I think of what happens to you, how your life would have gone in a different direction, how you have done that.
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, my God.
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, I don't know what I don't know about that, I mean, I don't think I could have not done it.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's why I did it, only the last in 90 days, but I did it.
[SPEAKER_00]: And then her father was found mysteriously killed, and, you know, just a mystery of life, I guess.
[SPEAKER_02]: Anyway, on with this, this weird story, Gambino and Lukazy, summoned Joe Bernano to a meeting.
[SPEAKER_02]: and Joe, who basically, it's a, it's a, it's a, it's a, a major slight, he doesn't show up.
[SPEAKER_02]: Of course, uh, because he wouldn't know I got out.
[SPEAKER_02]: But I know in, in the meantime, after he decided he wasn't going to go he, uh, he, uh, uh, promote his son Bill, uh, into the position of his acting boss.
[SPEAKER_02]: Now, this is going to be a wartime-concigliary.
[SPEAKER_02]: the guy the closest this guy ever got the war was watching uh... war movies i mean how you do that i mean it's uh... to be a war time could singly area is an honor because you you already made your bones you're running a crew you have been running a crew and all these buildings i mean you've been to a couple of wars yourself and when you know you talk about the gig gangland was he's a real wars with real strategy
[SPEAKER_02]: you know, you have to know what you do.
[SPEAKER_02]: You just don't walk down the street.
[SPEAKER_02]: It is Joe.
[SPEAKER_02]: Let's kill him.
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, these are organized, you know, you're fighting for something.
[SPEAKER_02]: So they appoint this college boy as the counselor, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the,
[SPEAKER_02]: The family on the bush was like, I named Joe Morales, do you ever hear of him?
[SPEAKER_00]: No.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it's a Hispanic name.
[SPEAKER_00]: I never knew that much about the Bannano family, which I, well, I think is interesting to me is that in my 30, 40 years ago, I was still bringing envelopes to him, Tucson, till he died.
[SPEAKER_00]: From the commission,
[SPEAKER_00]: And I hated that right.
[SPEAKER_00]: I have to land in Arizona or drive in from California and drive an hour or two from a Phoenix to Tucson.
[SPEAKER_00]: And you're talking about 120 degree weather.
[SPEAKER_00]: There's nothing out there.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: Anyway, well, all these effects are taking place.
[SPEAKER_02]: All this turmoil, all these plans and capital plans and backstabbing.
[SPEAKER_02]: On October 20, 1964, jumping out is just walking down the street mining his own business on Park Avenue and Broadway light.
[SPEAKER_02]: And he gets snatched off the street.
[SPEAKER_02]: He gets kidnapped supposedly.
[SPEAKER_00]: I was going to say yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: But think about this.
[SPEAKER_02]: What an opportune time to get kidnapped.
[SPEAKER_02]: You couldn't have done it better if you planned it yourself.
[SPEAKER_02]: So now everybody's looking for this guy, the word is he's dead.
[SPEAKER_02]: He's alive, he's spotted them all over the world.
[SPEAKER_02]: 19 months go by and he, Joe Bernardo, marches into a courthouse in Brooklyn in the southern district and says, understand you guys are looking for me.
[SPEAKER_00]: What happened?
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, this sounds like a bad gangster word.
[SPEAKER_00]: It sounds like something like that.
[SPEAKER_00]: Um, what's that sure would say he did it in real good.
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, the guy that couldn't shoot straight.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: I was thinking while I was researching this, if I did a book proposal on this, it would burn it.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's probably out.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's absolutely no sense and it's never going to sell, but this is, this is real life.
[SPEAKER_02]: Uh, anyway, uh, now, now he's, he's, he's back in the street.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's, these are these are all investigations, 19 months gone by the grand jury collapses.
[SPEAKER_02]: Now comes the shootout, which is what this episode is about.
[SPEAKER_02]: They, they invite Bill Bonanno, Frank Gorlebrusy and he got him Joe Netaro, you know, these guys.
[SPEAKER_02]: I know Joe, I know the name Joe Netaro, I don't know that.
[SPEAKER_02]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_02]: They figured, let's, we'll invite these guys and bring and have Banano's son come to the meeting.
[SPEAKER_02]: To me, it's, it's a set-up for assassination.
[SPEAKER_02]: They decide they're going to go anyway.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: People want to stay.
[SPEAKER_02]: They let Bill Banano choose the meeting place, which was on the, but a trout mystery.
[SPEAKER_02]: And it was a relative of, of the Bananos.
[SPEAKER_02]: They figured their safe inside whether they're going to have the meeting, which is true.
[SPEAKER_02]: which is what happened.
[SPEAKER_02]: They thought they were selecting it.
[SPEAKER_02]: Talked their car.
[SPEAKER_02]: Three blocks away from the meeting, and it's like the sneak up on traveling street.
[SPEAKER_02]: If you know anything about it, if you know anything about the area at night, these areas are deserted.
[SPEAKER_02]: You got three guys walking down the street, and it was eight gunmen at least waiting at ambush.
[SPEAKER_02]: And this is how Bill Bonatt, I'll describe it 30 years after the event.
[SPEAKER_02]: through his biographer, J. Toligy, you know, Gaitalich.
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, yeah, he's my neighbor, that's me.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, he, in fact, he wanted to write your story.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm glad you didn't do it.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, but it was too.
[SPEAKER_02]: Anyway, as Bill Bonano described, he says, we were caught in the middle of a battlefield with no way to go.
[SPEAKER_02]: 200 rounds are expanded.
[SPEAKER_02]: The bad guys have to fly a power and the three guys have the little pop guns that revolvers and they're shooting over the tops of cars You know, just an elevator 200 rounds nobody gets hit nobody got shot a can't believe that I mean, it's nobody got hit Uh And how do they know they were they were about eight people because they found seven guns these guys that dropped the guns and off What this world they'll throw away That's what they did you know you think well time to go guys and can you imagine if this was the it just
[SPEAKER_02]: Whoever made this plan, made the plan, we killed Paul Castellano and Job.
[SPEAKER_02]: And, and, and, and, a lot of them.
[SPEAKER_02]: They'd be shooting each other.
[SPEAKER_00]: No, you know, ridiculous.
[SPEAKER_00]: No, I mean, the, uh, the whole thing.
[SPEAKER_02]: This is 203 trial and street in the Bushwick.
[SPEAKER_02]: Bushwick, at that time was of the private area.
[SPEAKER_02]: Now it's been gentrified.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's only different.
[SPEAKER_02]: But, uh, they, they were ambushed at, uh,
[SPEAKER_02]: uh... is seven-discorded weapons police interviewed over a hundred people who knew nothing a hundred people saw this they'll poke the heads out the one to see what the fireworks were about because that's what they don't they work on the land that they show the entire scenario here but i mean i can understand the tour and to have two hundred witnesses on that street that's like four tenement of the sort of a business one woman the name of uh... josephine seminary
[SPEAKER_02]: she actually signed statements that she said what she saw which was very much a whole bunch of guys shooting at each other in the middle of people and it's the doors and the street lights turned out.
[SPEAKER_02]: So it was the the most prolific shooting in Marcus.
[SPEAKER_02]: maybe for that area.
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, there's a little 200 rounds.
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, that's a, that's, that's a major shootout.
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, let me ask your question.
[SPEAKER_00]: How many rounds you think were fired at the same Valentine's Day massacre?
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know.
[SPEAKER_00]: Very well organized.
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, that's what I'm saying.
[SPEAKER_00]: There's almost shit.
[SPEAKER_02]: I was supposed to have a minute to say.
[SPEAKER_00]: Anyway, why didn't you make this one a prolific shooting?
[SPEAKER_00]: This is nothing.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's a joke.
[SPEAKER_02]: Bill Benadle testified before King's County grand jury.
[SPEAKER_02]: King's County for those of you who don't know is broken.
[SPEAKER_02]: All right.
[SPEAKER_02]: And Bill recognized one of the many guns on display.
[SPEAKER_02]: The guns recognized a gun as belonging to
[SPEAKER_02]: Phil Rostelli, so it was obviously involved in the shooting, had his own personal gun, it was a fancy gun, but not a recognized gun.
[SPEAKER_02]: So that's so sharp.
[SPEAKER_02]: Sorry to that.
[SPEAKER_02]: It doesn't show like that.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's right.
[SPEAKER_00]: He didn't testify to what he just, you know, 30 years later, he should be counting this.
[SPEAKER_02]: Did David Chase write this?
[SPEAKER_02]: Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha
[SPEAKER_02]: And as a direct result of that, it's time for revenge now.
[SPEAKER_02]: So we'll jump on Nano's group, we'll carry out the most publicized attack against the other fashion, November 1967, a gunman dressed in black, very appropriate, walked into a restaurant and machine gun, three men to death.
[SPEAKER_02]: Machine gun, they have no recollection of this at all.
[SPEAKER_02]: Do you?
[SPEAKER_02]: No.
[SPEAKER_02]: All right, they have the date, November 67.
[SPEAKER_02]: It was well, it was Joe Bernardo's group that was supposed to get hit, and they did get hit.
[SPEAKER_02]: They didn't machine gun for anything to death.
[SPEAKER_02]: Who were there?
[SPEAKER_02]: Nobody knows, they got away with it.
[SPEAKER_02]: They also killed three more people in September 1968, but they only said these people were killed because they were never seen again.
[SPEAKER_02]: They just vanished.
[SPEAKER_00]: But let me ask you a question.
[SPEAKER_00]: This is factual statements.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: anybody can made this up.
[SPEAKER_00]: I was a kind in Tommy's zoom-o.
[SPEAKER_02]: I was one of the three that vanished.
[SPEAKER_02]: But the, you know, T-but just with just the other associates, the soldiers, crimes of opportunity, they just shot them.
[SPEAKER_02]: Anyway, they said that this was the, the, the machine gunning of the three individuals in public on this scale.
[SPEAKER_02]: would not be repeated until the 1972 killings of two me company executives shot dead in the neapot noodle and you feel familiar with the neapot noodle.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, yeah, this was the the Gallant Bumble one now and they thought some guy named Stevie Darrow who I had a passing acquaintance with, think of these three guys as Colombo top echelon.
[SPEAKER_02]: I
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, really?
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, so Darrow goes out to tell the hitman who was imported from Vegas, was wearing a long shoulder length wig.
[SPEAKER_02]: How is the towel he was described?
[SPEAKER_02]: And Jackie O'Nassus sunglasses.
[SPEAKER_02]: We're gonna sunglasses you use the wig.
[SPEAKER_02]: Look, he walks into the bar in the meantime, Ali Boy and the two other guys, I don't have the main tandy.
[SPEAKER_02]: Got a table and sat down and were replaced
[SPEAKER_02]: to meet company executives with scars, they'll, and if there's who was celebrating one of their birthdays, with their wives.
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh wow.
[SPEAKER_00]: So it was an accidental here.
[SPEAKER_02]: One of those things, one of those crazy things.
[SPEAKER_02]: Wow.
[SPEAKER_02]: Good type of song.
[SPEAKER_02]: Anyway, a kill, two of the added of three severely wounded, third guy.
[SPEAKER_02]: The hitman gets in the plane goes back to Vegas.
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't think he had much of a history after that.
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, I mean, to me, it's like, let's ask our expert on the mob.
[SPEAKER_00]: Megan, what do you think about this story?
[SPEAKER_04]: I love what you throw that at me.
[SPEAKER_04]: What do I think?
[SPEAKER_04]: There's a whole lot to think about.
[SPEAKER_00]: No, but I'm just saying, it sounds so bizarre.
[SPEAKER_04]: Of course it does.
[SPEAKER_04]: I mean, to me, it only sounds like a movie topic and book stories,
[SPEAKER_04]: You know, a hunger for power can also bring a taste for blood, really.
[SPEAKER_04]: Just being so willing to kill people, just to gain some sort of power from it.
[SPEAKER_04]: It's really just a wild concept that I still can't quite wrap my head around.
[SPEAKER_02]: Nobody, you know, and you have to understand, too, that the 60s, the late 60s and the 70s.
[SPEAKER_02]: This wasn't that uncommon.
[SPEAKER_02]: Nobody's dropping all the time.
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, that was, yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: But this is the apparel and noodle thing.
[SPEAKER_02]: uh... that was the turning point uh... of going after the mob julyani wasn't around yet but he was doing to make an appearance but the kill two family men and severely wounded third uh... in a crowded the time your places i knew that the problem uh... uh... loosing a month twice over the years it's no longer there this is a small place do you think those guys realize as soon as it happened that they had the wrong guys
[SPEAKER_02]: They watched, you know, they're watching these three guys who would have been them if the table wasn't open.
[SPEAKER_02]: get killed they think they were at the book when when when when Stevie Darrell left Ali boy and his two bodies were at the bar three goes tells the hitman they're at the bar he tells them where they are meanwhile in that short period of time a way to said your table is ready you know magic words saved their lives and they went got the table he's other three guys took their place just three so you don't care if they don't care if they don't care if they don't care if they don't care if they don't care if they don't care if they don't care if they don't care if they don't care if they don't care if they don't
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, somebody's telling you, here's the guy, here's the way they address the three of them at the bar right now.
[SPEAKER_00]: You walk in and the guy goes to the bathroom and the other guy gets, you know, it's that, but I mean, it's just that.
[SPEAKER_02]: You know, and these were the times where, you know, you went out to dinner.
[SPEAKER_02]: You dress fairly decently, so all the men are in suits with sport coats, right?
[SPEAKER_02]: So it's the three guys at the bar in the suits.
[SPEAKER_02]: Stand together.
[SPEAKER_02]: You know, I'd talk about a stroke of bad luck, I mean, geez.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I'm gonna ask that.
[SPEAKER_02]: So anyway, this has to settle down.
[SPEAKER_02]: Now, you're gonna know this, because I couldn't find it.
[SPEAKER_02]: Joe Banano was asterie tire.
[SPEAKER_02]: There's people don't retire from his life.
[SPEAKER_00]: No, yeah, he was, he got dead.
[SPEAKER_00]: He, he was asked to step down and he had the choice of going to Sicily.
[SPEAKER_00]: He wanted to stay in Arizona.
[SPEAKER_00]: And they said, great, you can't leave.
[SPEAKER_00]: You zig-zagged out there and never left Arizona again.
[SPEAKER_02]: I tell you, anybody said you're hearing Joe Benado being interviewed, 60 minutes still did an interview.
[SPEAKER_02]: But a year prior to his death, which is on YouTube.
[SPEAKER_02]: And he was the epitome of what people think the Mafia is like.
[SPEAKER_02]: And all very refined gentlemen who had a thick Italian accent was here for 70, 30 years.
[SPEAKER_02]: Still had that thick accent.
[SPEAKER_02]: But very regal, very, you know, the type of guy that would walk into a room of square out of it.
[SPEAKER_02]: You know, all the tension would be on him.
[SPEAKER_02]: And he was interviewed on 60 minutes for 20 minutes.
[SPEAKER_02]: Was he had a book on of that father?
[SPEAKER_02]: But the talk, why did he talk?
[SPEAKER_02]: Why did he give an interview to 60 minutes?
[SPEAKER_02]: That's what everybody else wanted to know.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I did.
[SPEAKER_02]: I think it's on YouTube.
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't want to say it, just go on a site and find it.
[SPEAKER_02]: He was very impressive.
[SPEAKER_02]: Anyway, he wound up dying in 2002.
[SPEAKER_00]: young man 97 years old and he left us yeah I don't know I know he just I mean two son as I said I was there three or four times I wouldn't I mean I'd rather go to Sicily's both for the first of all what I mean I recall him showing the film crew and the reporter whoever was around
[SPEAKER_02]: his spread yet a nice oh no we had a ranch house type of thing spread yeah but i mean who wanted his son bill college graduate on the block one of spending eleven years in prison he moved with his dad to two son and he stayed in the house after his father died in 2002 he passed away 2008 and uh... he was seventy five
[SPEAKER_02]: That was the end of, uh, uh, uh, guesspard dig, uh, good, uh, good, uh, even, it's a good Oreo died in the 1970, uh, and it, it was Mafia history goes and it's said by the press that there was, uh, never something on the scale on what happened on childhood street, so many men,
[SPEAKER_02]: involved in a shootout over that period of time.
[SPEAKER_00]: But they should give it another title.
[SPEAKER_00]: The most ridiculous shootout.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, yeah, let me say, you know, Jimmy Brown.
[SPEAKER_04]: Nobody was hit, right?
[SPEAKER_00]: Nobody was hit.
[SPEAKER_02]: Nobody.
[SPEAKER_02]: You know, I think they're doing this.
[SPEAKER_02]: I think they heard Dolby Nano's feelings.
[SPEAKER_00]: But that's as far as it got.
[SPEAKER_00]: But you know, it's more interesting to me
[SPEAKER_00]: but I do read the newspaper as we all did.
[SPEAKER_00]: There was another round-up of the banana family just recently.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I just, so I mean, again, I don't know them.
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't have any disrespect for anybody.
[SPEAKER_00]: I know, you know, just going to clarify myself.
[SPEAKER_00]: I know nobody in the banana family anymore.
[SPEAKER_00]: I didn't know it still existed.
[SPEAKER_00]: And now it's shot like you were, were you heard?
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know, I didn't know they had 100 members that they could round up.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, they were, when I was around in the 70s, they had like 80 members.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's how we call them.
[SPEAKER_00]: No, that's from the sand, so there's a job bigger.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, they expanded, I guess, but you know, I look back at those days, you know, anything in anybody's history is always the good old days, you know.
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, I used to bounce around the east side of one of the people all the time.
[SPEAKER_02]: I missed that hit, and Ali Baba, like 10 minutes.
[SPEAKER_02]: You know, there was a guy named Rabbit, they were after that night, and he actually took refuge under the piano, like that's going to save him.
[SPEAKER_02]: There must have been 200 people in there, and everybody saw it, and they killed them, and I showed up time and it's later.
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, there's a whole different world back then.
[SPEAKER_02]: You expected this to go on a lot.
[SPEAKER_02]: Doesn't happen anymore, thankfully so.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, like you're playing out earlier, I mean, once when Giuliani became the DA, get to being a mayor.
[SPEAKER_00]: and then he had the backing of Robert Kennedy as a attorney general.
[SPEAKER_00]: They wanted to suffocate them all.
[SPEAKER_02]: Even he didn't hit Julie I didn't hit his stride until the early 80s.
[SPEAKER_02]: And he had the, you know, the commission case.
[SPEAKER_02]: Of course, what that is, the members that has it of five families went to prisons in the rest of their lives.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's when they, that's when they, in both the,
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, but Rico has been around since 70 too, only if not really, if not really, if not really that.
[SPEAKER_02]: No, it's there.
[SPEAKER_02]: And so, and Julia, I said, hey, let's see what this thing is about.
[SPEAKER_02]: And they study.
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, I couldn't believe that for our audience.
[SPEAKER_00]: For our audiences, that is not used, not for me with the Rico Act, Rico Act was created for an ongoing enterprise and a price.
[SPEAKER_00]: would say I could do ten years on my head and because they'd go to jail, their wives still lived in the same houses, their wives still got the envelope that was supposed to come every Saturday to take care of them.
[SPEAKER_00]: But soon as the Rico act came in and you got convicted on it, then they would start going through your family tree and say, how did you buy this house?
[SPEAKER_00]: Go take that.
[SPEAKER_00]: They take everything.
[SPEAKER_00]: bank accounts, if you couldn't, you couldn't prove where the money came from and you didn't pay income tax on it, it was eradicated and that's why everybody started flipping and that was, I didn't mean that, that was you didn't mean that, it was you didn't mean that, it was you didn't mean that.
[SPEAKER_02]: The sentences with your Conan, you're not going right there.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yes, you can't do that on your head, you got to have a flat head after a while.
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh yeah, I don't know, that's what I'm on the years were like compounded to what they were getting, but it, um,
[SPEAKER_02]: That's what made Giuliani and as everybody knows, he won't have self-destructing the few years ago, but he was the man, he was the man.
[SPEAKER_00]: All right, well, thank you for bringing this wonderful, funny story.
[SPEAKER_00]: I thought about the man.
[SPEAKER_02]: You know, got an injectable humor in this thing they call them mafia.
[SPEAKER_02]: When I was a man, I wanted to be a stand-up comic and my act would be I was a hitman and I would tell funny stories.
[SPEAKER_00]: There you go.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I think that would go all the wrong.
[SPEAKER_02]: I think of a tribe when I retired.
[SPEAKER_00]: When I get old, you know what, it wouldn't be.
[SPEAKER_00]: It wouldn't have been a hit.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's why it's like, it's like, it's time to earn some money.
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[SPEAKER_04]: All right, once again, do it.
[SPEAKER_04]: First we have is some Joe, Joe says Gianni Seville episodes back, you mentioned there was a difference in the initiation ceremonies between Sicilians and Calabrese.
[SPEAKER_04]: I'm from Toronto, my parents are from Pulia, and I grew up around both Sicilians and Calabrese.
[SPEAKER_04]: We've heard so much from popular culture about the Sicilians, but next to nothing about the Calabrese, what can you share about what makes Calabrese a mob unique, cheers?
[SPEAKER_00]: It's not, no, no, no, you can't point out anything about them.
[SPEAKER_00]: There's still a very honorable quiet.
[SPEAKER_00]: The way it should be.
[SPEAKER_02]: It realized it's a secret organization.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's what I, I mean, I only notice the same people, I know, you know, I don't know anybody in other mobs or, you know, well, maybe I do, and I don't know who they are, but I couldn't answer that question other than that's what I hear.
[SPEAKER_00]: I know of.
[SPEAKER_04]: All right.
[SPEAKER_04]: Next is from Phil.
[SPEAKER_04]: Bill says, Gianni, what do you miss most about Las Vegas?
[SPEAKER_04]: Are you planning on going back anytime soon?
[SPEAKER_00]: I miss the 60s, 70s and 80s Vegas, and I'm not going back.
[SPEAKER_00]: Unless they're going to go turn the clock back.
[SPEAKER_00]: What's down there now is nothing that I'm being, even attracted to.
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't even know what showrooms I'd go to.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's Disneyland.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and I'm used to going, knowing the maturity and getting the right table in King's Row.
[SPEAKER_00]: And now you get a ticket and you sit down like in a theater, I wouldn't, I mean, and I don't plan to come back for the, and you can't get any body for good, you can't get any body for a good table.
[SPEAKER_00]: They do it to you to style, they don't do that anymore.
[SPEAKER_00]: Sorry.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it's got to be fair, it's, it's, it's run by corporations.
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, like fair, money talks, it's vague.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's when Vegas was great.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm, I'm going to start crying in a minute.
[SPEAKER_02]: Bye.
[SPEAKER_04]: All right, next is from Zachary.
[SPEAKER_04]: Zachary says that someone who presumably has made a lot of money in his life.
[SPEAKER_04]: Do you have any general advice on how to be financially
[SPEAKER_04]: Also, was recently in Las Vegas for a couple weeks do you have a favorite hotel there, President Wayne?
[SPEAKER_02]: Like, that question is obviously for me.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I thought so, right?
[SPEAKER_02]: That can be true.
[SPEAKER_02]: But I will defer to you.
[SPEAKER_00]: No, I don't.
[SPEAKER_00]: No, I thought it was for you also.
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, I didn't make a lot of money.
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: No, but the, uh...
[SPEAKER_00]: They're probably, I still favor Caesar's palace.
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know why, and I got to like it when we left, left the sands to go over there.
[SPEAKER_00]: To me, just, you know, the Bologior came close and it was right across the way where the old dunes was.
[SPEAKER_00]: I never really went to the wind, they tell me that's good, the unclea.
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't like them, they just too big now.
[SPEAKER_00]: I liked when there were small room, small casinos, and now they're huge.
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, there's nothing about Las Vegas that would attract me to go back.
[SPEAKER_02]: I used to like to stay at the frontier, believe it or not, because I like it was small.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, well, that's similar to what you're saying.
[SPEAKER_00]: And the frontier had good access.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, everybody that was there.
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, I don't like it, it's so huge.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's huge, I mean, but, you know, I'd go back if they give me 25, 30,000 for the weekend to perform, that's how I go back.
[SPEAKER_00]: That doesn't smell there.
[SPEAKER_04]: All right.
[SPEAKER_04]: Next is from Nicholas.
[SPEAKER_04]: Nicholas says, hey, Gianni, I was wondering if you had any stories about Kansas City family or any of the civil families.
[SPEAKER_00]: I love the civil of family.
[SPEAKER_01]: And then we answer this question before.
[SPEAKER_00]: but she's very close to but she and you know his family is Uncle Corky and Nicky and them they ran they were very powerful in fact they I don't know how they got control of the teams this pension plan but they were you had to get okay by them
[SPEAKER_00]: to get along from the pension fund.
[SPEAKER_00]: So, I mean, I think they orchestrated the demise.
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know why I have this idea of Jimmy Hoffman, not make it, go back into his position after he found God in prison.
[SPEAKER_00]: But the symbolic families are a very well-organized family.
[SPEAKER_04]: All right, next is from Lisa.
[SPEAKER_04]: Lisa says, Gianni, when was the last time you spoke with Al Pacino?
[SPEAKER_04]: What's your relationship like today?
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't speak to Al a lot.
[SPEAKER_00]: When I see my talk to him, I call them recently about something just because we hadn't both had an interest.
[SPEAKER_00]: I want to see what he thought about it.
[SPEAKER_00]: No, I mean, Al, you know, Al is has this
[SPEAKER_00]: three daughters now.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I know he's staying devoted to his career.
[SPEAKER_00]: And that's it.
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, Al Azal, let me such a great actor.
[SPEAKER_00]: And he's constantly working at 83.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, doing a TV series called Hunter right now.
[SPEAKER_00]: He just finished the whole thing on the
[SPEAKER_00]: Lady Gaga played her, um, oh, the brother got killed.
[SPEAKER_00]: What's the design of it?
[SPEAKER_04]: Oh, I know who you're talking about.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, he was killed in Florida.
[SPEAKER_04]: I can't think of it either.
[SPEAKER_00]: Versacee.
[SPEAKER_04]: No, I think it was Gucci.
[SPEAKER_00]: No, not Gucci away.
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, not Gucci Versacee.
[SPEAKER_00]: Did you know Versacee?
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, Johnny Versacee was.
[SPEAKER_04]: Oh, okay.
[SPEAKER_04]: Well, the show is called House of Gucci.
[SPEAKER_00]: So that's why I mean, maybe he's playing Gucci in it.
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, oh, yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: They're doing the bio-cook on the entire family.
[SPEAKER_02]: Let's scandal the next number.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I'm going to guard you.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I said, this has nothing to do with the mob or anybody dying.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's about the financial shenanigans.
[SPEAKER_00]: Right.
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, I think one of the grandsons was, was kidnapped.
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know if it was by the mob.
[SPEAKER_00]: And they sent the grandfather to kids ear, but he still didn't pay for them.
[SPEAKER_00]: But anyway, no, but I was still working and he has a TV series called Hunter Yeah, I saw the first season very good.
[SPEAKER_02]: He plays a Nazi hunter who turned out to be the Nazi I'm just what they're gonna do in the second season.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, but I mean, so he's working constantly as as Bobby the Narrows not stop working But it's all good
[SPEAKER_04]: Good for them.
[SPEAKER_04]: All right.
[SPEAKER_04]: I think we have time for one more.
[SPEAKER_04]: This last one is from Matthew.
[SPEAKER_04]: Matthew says, Johnny, have you ever met Joey Marlena?
[SPEAKER_00]: He Joey.
[SPEAKER_00]: No.
[SPEAKER_00]: I knew a woman could have met him though.
[SPEAKER_00]: And can I ask him why?
[SPEAKER_00]: Why does he want to know?
[SPEAKER_02]: He's the daughter of no, he's a Philadelphia mob guy.
[SPEAKER_02]: Took all of the family because everybody else was dead recently.
[SPEAKER_02]: He's had his trouble with the law in Florida.
[SPEAKER_02]: You know, we had a guest on the show, Mike Russell, Nema Mike Russell, in the cup of cotton, Jersey.
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh yeah, yeah, yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: He made skinny Joey, just target for years.
[SPEAKER_02]: He'd fall him around and harass him.
[SPEAKER_02]: Joey hated him.
[SPEAKER_02]: I hope he lived in Florida.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, he's the, or rest of hell out of him, you know.
[SPEAKER_02]: He loved doing it.
[SPEAKER_02]: He was a good looking guy.
[SPEAKER_00]: I know that.
[SPEAKER_00]: A very stylish guy too.
[SPEAKER_00]: skinny Joe.
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, that is it.
[SPEAKER_00]: I hate to have these shows in.
[SPEAKER_00]: Now, what am I going to do to the rest of the night?
[SPEAKER_00]: Anyway, okay, money.
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't have to go home.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm here already.
[SPEAKER_00]: But we are so grateful for you sending in the letters and keep coming tell your friends.
[SPEAKER_00]: We need no reviews.
[SPEAKER_00]: we're having fun with it.
[SPEAKER_00]: We're going to what our fourth season, Megan.
[SPEAKER_04]: Oh, we're like way past.
[SPEAKER_04]: I think it's like the eighth season.
[SPEAKER_04]: We're way past four in this way.
[SPEAKER_02]: God bless.
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, listen, about 140 shows, right?
[SPEAKER_04]: This is episode 140, exactly.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: Wow.
[SPEAKER_02]: Happy to bless you to us.
[SPEAKER_02]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, thanks you all.
[SPEAKER_00]: And Pat, I know Megan and I, we enjoyed doing it.
[SPEAKER_00]: Obviously, you all are still listening, tell friends, expand the audience, and keep the letters coming in to request.
[SPEAKER_00]: We'll film them in.
[SPEAKER_00]: We would love it.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, you give us show ideas.
[SPEAKER_02]: We love that.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: Good night, everybody.
[SPEAKER_02]: Good night, guys.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's all on.
[SPEAKER_02]: Bye-bye, bye.
[SPEAKER_01]: Bye.
[SPEAKER_01]: There's a service I could rent at.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm the one who loves you only.
[SPEAKER_01]: I could be so unsatended, calm man.
[SPEAKER_01]: Don't be afraid you can come, man.
[SPEAKER_01]: Maybe it's late but just calm man.
[SPEAKER_01]: Tell me and I'll be wrong.
[SPEAKER_01]: All right.
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