[UNKNOWN]: I too will try.
[UNKNOWN]: Oh, Boston!
[UNKNOWN]: You know I had to play it.
[UNKNOWN]: You know it.
[UNKNOWN]: Welcome to the Lorehounds, where your guides to the dance of dragons.
[UNKNOWN]: I'm your host David, and I have declared my allegiance to the rightful Lord and Master of Heron Hall, Alice Rivers.
[UNKNOWN]: And I'm John, and John, I had a question for you if you had a house, I don't know what your house name would be, but I know what your house words would be.
[UNKNOWN]: Oh boy, wow, they would be kick rocks.
[UNKNOWN]: And we'd have like a banner with a big rock and like an emoji kicks thing.
[UNKNOWN]: That was not what I expected, but yes, I think you spot on.
[UNKNOWN]: I'll take it.
[UNKNOWN]: I'll take that one.
[UNKNOWN]: You can figure out your house name later, but at least we got to admit that.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, we got to have to be right.
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[UNKNOWN]: John, it's still hot lower summer too, too hot to lower.
[UNKNOWN]: How are you doing?
[UNKNOWN]: You survived in the heat.
[UNKNOWN]: It's not too bad right now.
[UNKNOWN]: It's almost again.
[UNKNOWN]: No, it was really cool weekend.
[UNKNOWN]: So that's a good thing.
[UNKNOWN]: So yeah, we'll see how the rest of the week turns out.
[UNKNOWN]: But so far, you know, not going to be a part of it.
[UNKNOWN]: Okay.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, I'm about to.
[UNKNOWN]: Uh, yeah, you know, fine.
[UNKNOWN]: I mean, we've got a lot cooking over at the lower hands here.
[UNKNOWN]: We've got Lestat coverage.
[UNKNOWN]: John is first chair on that with Alicia and then Alicia is running her silo coverage.
[UNKNOWN]: It's a big show for her.
[UNKNOWN]: So she is all in on that with Luke.
[UNKNOWN]: I think John was going to do some Odyssey coverage because that's coming this weekend.
[UNKNOWN]: Oh, let's hit this weekend already.
[UNKNOWN]: Oh, man.
[UNKNOWN]: It's coming up, right?
[UNKNOWN]: It's coming up.
[UNKNOWN]: Then you guys, when, when did you have supergirl schedule this whole way?
[UNKNOWN]: We have to push back supergirl until the 22nd.
[UNKNOWN]: Oh, that's a long time.
[UNKNOWN]: Okay.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: Next week.
[UNKNOWN]: All right.
[UNKNOWN]: Let's go.
[UNKNOWN]: Well, that's just because they're so much going on.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, this desk gosh.
[UNKNOWN]: And then right after supergirl, we're going to have to do Spider-Man.
[UNKNOWN]: So.
[UNKNOWN]: Great.
[UNKNOWN]: That's a big one.
[UNKNOWN]: I heard the numbers are looking big for Spider-Man.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: I don't have them off the top of my head, but yeah, it's looking like it's going to be crazy.
[UNKNOWN]: That's crazy.
[UNKNOWN]: Well, that's good.
[UNKNOWN]: Good.
[UNKNOWN]: I mean, we need a good, you know, summer blockbuster superhero thing.
[UNKNOWN]: Not some of the, hopefully, yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: Anyway, no, I'm not going to get into that topic today because we got a lot of talk about dragon-wise.
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[UNKNOWN]: I also, and background watching the bear and Ron Dawson and I are going to do some coverage of that once I get done with it.
[UNKNOWN]: I think I just got up to Episode 4 and I was like,
[UNKNOWN]: little fist bump moment at the end of that episode, and I'm, uh, I snuck in one episode of the agency, and that was just like, oh, two good.
[UNKNOWN]: I got to find somebody in our, in our group to podcast with that about.
[UNKNOWN]: But for today's episode, we are going to be talking about episode 4 as Houthis Dragon.
[UNKNOWN]: Oh, I should also mention to you, you can hear my voice.
[UNKNOWN]: I had a really nasty cold over the weekend.
[UNKNOWN]: I'm just now getting over it.
[UNKNOWN]: Sounds fine, but I know my voice is a little weird.
[UNKNOWN]: That's what it is.
[UNKNOWN]: But in today's episode, I decided to go for a thematic approach.
[UNKNOWN]: Can I talk about it last week?
[UNKNOWN]: Man, I was like, I'm glad we did two pods last week because it got me back into the game and the way that I needed to.
[UNKNOWN]: I just realized how off my game I had been coming in from vacation.
[UNKNOWN]: So now I'm feeling like,
[UNKNOWN]: got my fighting train a little bit and so I thought we'd try a thematic approach where I've grouped together a bunch of themes and if folks you don't like it so much let us know right in and say hey you know maybe try and change up or or do something different there's just so many podcasts out there and there's so many podcasts that are doing the scene by scene and the break down and stuff and we figure well let's see if we can add value a little bit in a little bit
[UNKNOWN]: I've come up with a new topic that I want to throw into our mix, but I ran out of steam today.
[UNKNOWN]: I'm calling it military corner, and I think I'm going to move it to the Thursday pod, and what I want to do is sort of do an assessment, sort of the battlefield assessment of like where things are, what's the air power coverage looking like, where the ground forces at, why is this,
[UNKNOWN]: So, uh, I think I will have a little assessment for everybody on Thursday, but then we're going to talk about the veil, and then we're going to talk about hair and haul, and we're going to talk about the egg on and lyrous buddy, comedy, road show.
[UNKNOWN]: We need a funny name for that.
[UNKNOWN]: We'll get, we'll talk about that when we get to that section.
[UNKNOWN]: uh, Reneer is just this giant nexus of relationships and small councils, things dragon seeds and what's going on town.
[UNKNOWN]: So she's like a big topic.
[UNKNOWN]: And then the last thing we've got is a trouble in tumble town and we'll deal with the high towers and all of that fun goodness, uh, as are our last topic.
[UNKNOWN]: But first, our fresh takes,
[UNKNOWN]: I mean, I keep finding reasons to really love this season.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, so this did not disappoint.
[UNKNOWN]: And I didn't think they would go into the battle straight away.
[UNKNOWN]: And I'm happy that they didn't because we got to sit with some characters in different places to see what else is going on.
[UNKNOWN]: And I just really,
[UNKNOWN]: I think all the performances were stand out yet again.
[UNKNOWN]: This is becoming the norm for this show where we can, I can at least pick out one or two actors who are totally like killing what we're watching on screen.
[UNKNOWN]: We get some shout outs later coming up in the episode too.
[UNKNOWN]: Because they're extraordinary performances.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, so I really, really, really,
[UNKNOWN]: just am in awe of the way the show looks, the way the show feels, the way that it moves.
[UNKNOWN]: Cloud along for me is working big time.
[UNKNOWN]: And yeah, and we got cheapy.
[UNKNOWN]: So I cannot be any more aesthetic about episode four.
[UNKNOWN]: Well, okay, that's pretty succinct.
[UNKNOWN]: I've got a little bit more to say, I think about the episode.
[UNKNOWN]: So roll with you.
[UNKNOWN]: No, I've got a lot to say.
[UNKNOWN]: I'm just waiting to say it.
[UNKNOWN]: They'll get me wrong.
[UNKNOWN]: There it up.
[UNKNOWN]: I heard this on another pad I thought I think it was a ringer and it was either Joanna or Mal, so it's something in their pod that this episode really reminded them of old school game of thrones where we were flipping around in new locations and bringing up and bringing new characters into the thing and it was just like, yeah, there's a lot going on in it.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, I was like, yeah, I like that idea, like, you know, we're moving around to a couple of different places, get some new introductions, get some deep in some of the characters are already with.
[UNKNOWN]: And I thought that in terms of how they're structuring the season, I really like this structure that we're doing here.
[UNKNOWN]: They're they're pulsing us along really nicely.
[UNKNOWN]: We had that real close intimate.
[UNKNOWN]: set up with Reneer last episode and I think a lot of what they constructed in that episode, I think we're going to see play out over the course of this season.
[UNKNOWN]: There were some audio design stuff that they developed in last episode where we hear that rush of blood sort of in her head as she's like, oh, like feeling like the stress of the moment.
[UNKNOWN]: or the rats scaring around and, you know, little bell sounds or little violin, you know, I know there's a name for it, but you know, and they're like ramping up some tension.
[UNKNOWN]: And I heard a bunch of those scattered throughout the episode today, or, you know, last night.
[UNKNOWN]: And so I was like, oh, okay, so maybe,
[UNKNOWN]: episode three is like a what's a what's a keystone for the rest of the season and introducing some elements both you know in terms of production and story so I think that's really cool
[UNKNOWN]: The dragon interaction this episode was great seeing these dead dying dragons, seeing these live dragons, seeing some different aspects of dragon culture and working with dragons and we're going to talk about she be in cracks these later.
[UNKNOWN]: So they're really splash, they really splashed out this season on the Dragon Budget.
[UNKNOWN]: So absolutely loving that.
[UNKNOWN]: That's what each of you and I were talking in the discord were like, what is it like, you know, when a when a show with a plot is weak and the story is not so great, we like start picking nits at like the episode.
[UNKNOWN]: It's like, yeah, but like the story is great and the details that, you know, we're picking nits, but we're not picking them.
[UNKNOWN]: We're like, oh my god, look at this knit.
[UNKNOWN]: It's so great.
[UNKNOWN]: And like we're in this weird thing where the small details are as good as the major plot things.
[UNKNOWN]: And like you're saying the acting that's going on.
[UNKNOWN]: The one thing about this episode, though, was the little bunny rabbit at the beginning, was the camera rises up, so we get that view of
[UNKNOWN]: I'm pretty sure that was a real rabbit and that was like a constructed environment.
[UNKNOWN]: It felt like one of those diodes or what's it called a diorama?
[UNKNOWN]: The thing in a museum, you know, where you see like the frozen and time moment of.
[UNKNOWN]: So I was like, oh, this feels like it felt fake.
[UNKNOWN]: And then, of course, obviously, we had a digital mat behind that as we see the town of Temple Town.
[UNKNOWN]: So it was just a funny contrast because all of the other dragons felt like really good.
[UNKNOWN]: A couple of shoutouts, we're going to talk about some, um, other, wait, what is this name here?
[UNKNOWN]: I think I've got a name, no, no, that's right, this is the right name, um, Abhin Galaya, I believe is how to pronounce the name of the actor who plays Kat's brother, and he is our man pack
[UNKNOWN]: He was the guy with the sun that had where he kept the secret radio that Bix would use.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, it's yes.
[UNKNOWN]: It's like, wait, I recognize that dude.
[UNKNOWN]: Then later, and then I think somebody on the discord confirmed it.
[UNKNOWN]: So it's great to see him, and I'm just, which is, I wish his agent would get him some roles where he doesn't...
[UNKNOWN]: get the shirt into the stick right brother needs some some longer lasting rolls because he keeps getting killed off.
[UNKNOWN]: But then also Phoebe Campbell who is playing Reina.
[UNKNOWN]: Reina.
[UNKNOWN]: Man, she she that that was that was that was phenomenal.
[UNKNOWN]: That was really an exciting performance little that she gave there.
[UNKNOWN]: So super excited for her.
[UNKNOWN]: Let's see here, maybe I will, I'm going to put this, I'm going to talk about the tactical situation in tumble town, but I'll save that for when we get into the trouble of tumble town, I think I can go down to that section there.
[UNKNOWN]: That said, I do want to say something about Ormond and it's like he is the protagonist that we needed this season.
[UNKNOWN]: pull in all kinds of stuff.
[UNKNOWN]: We need a bad guy that we can hate and we could throw popgorn out the screen and Tom's Kick Rocks, but he's interesting.
[UNKNOWN]: And he's got Daphst to him and complexity.
[UNKNOWN]: And it's like, oh, good, finally, like a clear, I think part of maybe what was so hard about season one was there was no antagonist, right?
[UNKNOWN]: The whole family was an antagonist.
[UNKNOWN]: So we were like, and we were dumping tons of scorn on crispy coal and, you know, but we didn't have like a singular baddie.
[UNKNOWN]: So like, I'm really glad that Oremon that they'd been building up Oremon and we'll talk about him as well.
[UNKNOWN]: But man, all episode long, there were little hints about what was coming and then bang at the end, like that was just really well-constructed episode, like they really plotted this episode out.
[UNKNOWN]: when we talk about some of the details, like, oh, the grandmaster was saying this, and, you know, Alice, it was saying that, and it was slowly, slowly adding all of these little elements so that when we get the full reveal at the end, it all makes sense.
[UNKNOWN]: And it makes sense in the moment, and we're taken, we're like, oh, wow, this is great.
[UNKNOWN]: But it's great because all along, they were seasoning it all along, right?
[UNKNOWN]: They were just adding everything up, so it just perfect.
[UNKNOWN]: And the language and the dialogue are on this episode and the season are just on point.
[UNKNOWN]: There's a line that cold delivers when they're at hair and haul that just knocked my socks off.
[UNKNOWN]: So good.
[UNKNOWN]: And it's really inc- and like they're really taken the language to another level, like you know, and using the sentence constructions and the word choices that they're using, talking about painting a rondal on the breastplate, just paint a target.
[UNKNOWN]: No, they said rondal because that's like, you know, that makes sense and it worked and that it flows off the tongue for the character.
[UNKNOWN]: Unlike some other big movies that we've got coming out this
[UNKNOWN]: The Odyssey.
[UNKNOWN]: Dune.
[UNKNOWN]: Oh, come on.
[UNKNOWN]: You can't be upset with the language.
[UNKNOWN]: Come on.
[UNKNOWN]: That's a real cough in between a fake cough there.
[UNKNOWN]: Man, I heard a clip of like Matt Damon saying, Let's go home boys.
[UNKNOWN]: I'm like, what is this?
[UNKNOWN]: Saving private Ryan?
[UNKNOWN]: Yes.
[UNKNOWN]: What did you want it to be?
[UNKNOWN]: 6-year-old grease.
[UNKNOWN]: Yes, I want it to be 6-year-old grease.
[UNKNOWN]: 6-year-old grease.
[UNKNOWN]: I want to be taken out of time.
[UNKNOWN]: I want to be taken out of place.
[UNKNOWN]: I don't want to be in modern bro culture, man.
[UNKNOWN]: I want to throw it over to anyway.
[UNKNOWN]: To wrap up, there's a couple of things I wanted to touch on too.
[UNKNOWN]: Obviously, funny episode, right, lots of great humor in here.
[UNKNOWN]: Oh, oh, my, you didn't know the royal belly lift.
[UNKNOWN]: There's news about how she will be informed.
[UNKNOWN]: Those are just hilarious lines.
[UNKNOWN]: But then, as I was thinking about the episode overall, I was going back to that various quote about where power resides, power being an illusion.
[UNKNOWN]: And I don't think that that is the thesis of this season.
[UNKNOWN]: I think it plays and it's an important part of the matrix of this season.
[UNKNOWN]: But for me,
[UNKNOWN]: What this season is turning out to be in the in really a much bigger picture beyond the Allicent Reneera beyond parents The dynamic between parents.
[UNKNOWN]: There's a lot of parents and child interactions going on in this
[UNKNOWN]: Um, the, you know, how how revenge is this kind of poison that if you keep, you know, chasing it like there was a couple, there's two different themes and elements of that about revenge and this one.
[UNKNOWN]: And then just how utterly corrupting the thrown is you were talking about the bloody footprints and then of course we had to.
[UNKNOWN]: kill what's his name, uh, Allison's dad, I don't auto and then this one, uh, young dayeron, um, you know, kills, uh, cats, probably like all these people, you know, you have to sort of partake in this bloody communion to, uh,
[UNKNOWN]: play the game of thrones, right, to be in this.
[UNKNOWN]: And you have to, and we talk with Allison to, Renew about things that you will have to do as a ruler that you have to wall off from who you are, as a person, all of these kinds of things.
[UNKNOWN]: And when I pull back from that, and I look a little bit bigger at what this is saying, to me, at least this season, and maybe the series, we'll see when we get done with the whole series,
[UNKNOWN]: is that this is a kind of a meditation on the effects and practices of power.
[UNKNOWN]: What the pursuit of power does to people?
[UNKNOWN]: What holding of power?
[UNKNOWN]: does to people.
[UNKNOWN]: The choices that we have to make to achieve power, to use power.
[UNKNOWN]: What happens if we have power and we don't use it, to service?
[UNKNOWN]: You know, what happens when we've got a lot of power and we think we're really above at all, payment, orment, right?
[UNKNOWN]: You know, what is power for?
[UNKNOWN]: What do you got?
[UNKNOWN]: What are you guys fighting for?
[UNKNOWN]: Well, with, you know, f the small folk.
[UNKNOWN]: Well, well, well, why do you, why do you want to rule if you don't have small folk?
[UNKNOWN]: You can't do nothing if you don't have a small folk right?
[UNKNOWN]: You got no economy.
[UNKNOWN]: You got no livelihood.
[UNKNOWN]: You got no riches.
[UNKNOWN]: Like, so what's the purpose of you chasing all of this?
[UNKNOWN]: And to me, this is all this sort of meditation on the effects of and the practices of power and all of these various forms.
[UNKNOWN]: And we're seeing as power flows through these characters and these relationships, how it bends and breaks and twists these people that were
[UNKNOWN]: very connected to, and we're seeing these amazing performances of.
[UNKNOWN]: So that is my big thought for the episode.
[UNKNOWN]: That's a lot of big thoughts.
[UNKNOWN]: We're going to dig into them.
[UNKNOWN]: Cool.
[UNKNOWN]: Well, let's do this.
[UNKNOWN]: Let's take our first break.
[UNKNOWN]: And when we come back, we will fly to the Vale.
[UNKNOWN]: And we're back.
[UNKNOWN]: Meanwhile, in the Vale, a demon visits Lady Erin at the eerie to demand tribute.
[UNKNOWN]: She pays him off to be rid of him, caraxies, laden with gold.
[UNKNOWN]: What is the airspeed velocity of an unladen swallow?
[UNKNOWN]: What do you mean, an African or European swallow?
[UNKNOWN]: I don't know if that.
[UNKNOWN]: I got a whole bunch of funny quotes today, man.
[UNKNOWN]: I'm in a very humorous moods.
[UNKNOWN]: I got a bunch of money by thought coming next year.
[UNKNOWN]: Let's see, Caraxi's follows their nose is, I think, we don't, is, is, is, uh, Caraxi's gender fluid.
[UNKNOWN]: I don't think we have a gender on corrects, because there's indications both way.
[UNKNOWN]: Somebody right in and let us know.
[UNKNOWN]: Anyway, corrects leads Damon to Reina's hideout where father and daughter are reunited under less than ideal circumstances.
[UNKNOWN]: Damon commits treason and covers for his daughter by bringing the head of a goat pervert back to Reneera.
[UNKNOWN]: What did you think about the whole veil situation and then we can get into the whole Damon and a starter?
[UNKNOWN]: I mean, wow.
[UNKNOWN]: Just, just, wow.
[UNKNOWN]: The errands are weird, man.
[UNKNOWN]: Those people are weird.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, we could start off with that.
[UNKNOWN]: We could start off with that.
[UNKNOWN]: What is what is what are they eating there?
[UNKNOWN]: What are they drinking in the veil?
[UNKNOWN]: What are they?
[UNKNOWN]: Thai altitude is like like a box.
[UNKNOWN]: What is going on?
[UNKNOWN]: Because yes, they are a very weird family.
[UNKNOWN]: you know, petting that a hound, like this is just the moon door, everything about the veil, the sky's so light.
[UNKNOWN]: I don't like it.
[UNKNOWN]: I don't like the veil.
[UNKNOWN]: So, Lady Erin, you know, is quick with the whip.
[UNKNOWN]: You know what I mean?
[UNKNOWN]: She's more nice.
[UNKNOWN]: Anything, right?
[UNKNOWN]: Yes, yes, yes, yes, she is.
[UNKNOWN]: And she recognizes what's happening here.
[UNKNOWN]: And, um,
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, her line in my maybe I should have sent babies like you sent me a baby dragon, so maybe I should have sent a baby boy right right now.
[UNKNOWN]: So she's she's seeing the lay of the land.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, and you can tell that she's you know, calculating and plotting and trying to figure out how she's going to use everything that's going on to the best of her advantage.
[UNKNOWN]: But David has the Trump card.
[UNKNOWN]: which is caracces right right right like yeah give me some gold or I'll be here for a little bit and you don't want me to be here for a little bit I love that compromise she was like okay yeah yeah yeah you can recognize that she's like yeah totally let me let me just give me some gold so you can get out of here and don't burn and shit up because I don't even know where this guy is
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, just get it.
[UNKNOWN]: Your creepy, you piss me off.
[UNKNOWN]: You killed, what's her relationship to his first wife is that a sister or niece or a guy I can't remember?
[UNKNOWN]: And yeah, she's just like, I just need you out of here.
[UNKNOWN]: That wasn't going to take.
[UNKNOWN]: Got to get you out of here, get you out of here, because I know who and what you are.
[UNKNOWN]: And if you don't get your way, I know what you can do, right?
[UNKNOWN]: his the goal.
[UNKNOWN]: And when people recognize that, like they recognize like Damon is about the business man.
[UNKNOWN]: He's not going to play games.
[UNKNOWN]: He's I need something.
[UNKNOWN]: I want something.
[UNKNOWN]: Give it to me or else.
[UNKNOWN]: And when he wants something, he takes it like the head of the goat.
[UNKNOWN]: He takes it.
[UNKNOWN]: And that is a frightening persona to have
[UNKNOWN]: I got to my sound bank is too full.
[UNKNOWN]: I can't I can't put that one in there.
[UNKNOWN]: It bent on It was still funny to see him loading the socks on the back.
[UNKNOWN]: Yes, and it's like yeah, but then cracks He's just like we didn't hit it
[UNKNOWN]: Dragon WiFi.
[UNKNOWN]: They get, I, what am I, what am I sensing?
[UNKNOWN]: What am I smelling here?
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: I'm, you know, is he the question that I have is it is corrects is sensing, reina or sheepy.
[UNKNOWN]: Because, or both.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, we don't know how Dragon Wi-Fi works like we don't know like if you're connected if you got some Wi-Fi going on you got a Bluetooth signal as well because it, you know, like can you detect what's going on, but yeah, cracks he's was clearly like a lot to something like, no cracks he's obey knows what he told and then and that shows you
[UNKNOWN]: play without the cooperation, without the cooperation from the dragons.
[UNKNOWN]: You are shit, you are fucked up.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: If the dragons decide to be like, you know, we're going to do X, you're going to go do X.
[UNKNOWN]: There's this sense that I think that I felt that I disagreed with in me, that in some way, the dragon writers are the ones who are in the lead, the dragons are allowed in them to lead.
[UNKNOWN]: It's not like you can control me.
[UNKNOWN]: I let you have control to do this thing.
[UNKNOWN]: But if I have to do something else, you're coming along for the writing.
[UNKNOWN]: There's nothing you can do about it.
[UNKNOWN]: So this is why dragons are cats because they're half wild.
[UNKNOWN]: Cats are half wild.
[UNKNOWN]: They let you pet them and when they want pets, they get pets.
[UNKNOWN]: And when they don't want pets, they fall off or I need to go outside or whatever.
[UNKNOWN]: They are still their own creatures while at the same time having a relationship with us.
[UNKNOWN]: And I love seeing that.
[UNKNOWN]: I love seeing like this one of the most if not the most capable dragon rider in the land, be totally unable to control his dragon.
[UNKNOWN]: There was nothing he could have done in that moment.
[UNKNOWN]: And cracks his is not.
[UNKNOWN]: Short and stocky like at other ones is like no, then neck going on and he's like doing the serpentine thing flying through the air So Damon's really got a hold on when practice is going for it.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, yeah Especially when he's not in control, right?
[UNKNOWN]: Don't know where they're going So I was wondering too this question of control
[UNKNOWN]: is, you know, when the series wrote the Larry on, about couple two, three times as I understand it,
[UNKNOWN]: And he was like, I don't have control.
[UNKNOWN]: Like, just that same feeling.
[UNKNOWN]: I have no control over this thing.
[UNKNOWN]: This thing's freaking dangerous.
[UNKNOWN]: And the series never seemed like a, like, hey, I'm gonna write it.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, no, let's put it to the max a little bit.
[UNKNOWN]: Let me do some bungee jump in and let me do some dang lighting and like, you know, low altitude parachute jumps and base jump in where he's not, he was not a thrill-seeking dude.
[UNKNOWN]: He was like, what did I play with his Lego set?
[UNKNOWN]: thinking about old Valeria and hang out.
[UNKNOWN]: He didn't like to exercise power in that way where Damon really loves that.
[UNKNOWN]: And also I think, you know, Valeria was such an aged dragon.
[UNKNOWN]: Hmm.
[UNKNOWN]: By the time that Viserys came to power, right, it changes.
[UNKNOWN]: like you know the the life span of the dragons we we can't they're not going to be what they are always you know does that make sense you see that right we are as human being as as animals we we are not what we were 20 years ago
[UNKNOWN]: You're preaching the choir, my friend.
[UNKNOWN]: Like I am like, you know, hitting this mid 50 stride.
[UNKNOWN]: I still got plenty of life left in me, but I am not a 20, 30 something hungry out there on the streets, like, you know, trying to grab every opportunity I get.
[UNKNOWN]: Like, I just have a whole different attitude towards life.
[UNKNOWN]: And a whole different approach, because I've got different things that I, you know, yeah, there's just a lot of different, and I just don't have that same thing.
[UNKNOWN]: So like, if you're malaria on how old was malaria?
[UNKNOWN]: Like, 100.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: He's not young like sheepy.
[UNKNOWN]: Mm-hmm.
[UNKNOWN]: You know, like, sheepy could get, could get busy.
[UNKNOWN]: You know what I mean?
[UNKNOWN]: Like, yo, I'm, I'm with the business.
[UNKNOWN]: Let's do this.
[UNKNOWN]: Belery on at that time was just like, I've done this already.
[UNKNOWN]: You know what I mean?
[UNKNOWN]: And I think still the power of the Sarah's self, I'm assuming that the Sarah's just fat felt just immense power.
[UNKNOWN]: Just like, oh, I don't want any piece of this.
[UNKNOWN]: This is not for me.
[UNKNOWN]: It's not to say that, but Larry, I wouldn't get busy and brush it down because, you know, yeah, yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: I mean, I keep busy, you know, I'm not just not the same.
[UNKNOWN]: It's just not the same.
[UNKNOWN]: And I think it's a, I never thought of the dragons in this way.
[UNKNOWN]: You know, watching Game of Thrones in the first season, season and a half of House of the Dragons.
[UNKNOWN]: I'd never, you know, even reading the book never really contemplated about what the Dragons
[UNKNOWN]: are a side from bad-ass creatures that burn shit down, and I think this episode gave me and not just this episode, right?
[UNKNOWN]: I think really this season has given me a way to think differently about the dragons.
[UNKNOWN]: And I think this episode
[UNKNOWN]: Like, significantly added for me to that knowledge.
[UNKNOWN]: Like seeing a dragon in the coma, seeing a dead dragon, seeing a wild dragon, seeing a baby dragon, seeing a fully grown adult dragon, all different shapes, all different colors, all different personalities, and then using that scene with demon on caraxies.
[UNKNOWN]: And at first I was like, is it the gold, like, is it pissing cracks these off?
[UNKNOWN]: Like, what are they tripping about?
[UNKNOWN]: And then it was like, once they were landing on the cliff, I was like, oh, oh, oh, this is like, okay, it makes sense, though.
[UNKNOWN]: And then that's a whole thing.
[UNKNOWN]: And cracks these like screaming at sheepies, sheepies flying out of the cave.
[UNKNOWN]: Like, is it like a couple of cats or dogs that kind of like sniff each other?
[UNKNOWN]: And they're like, okay, you, you just go over there.
[UNKNOWN]: I'll just stay over here, but I'm going to, you know, vocalize to make sure that you know that I'm not,
[UNKNOWN]: Like what was going on between these two dragons?
[UNKNOWN]: Their buddies are not, I mean, it was super interesting that it just posed a whole bunch of questions.
[UNKNOWN]: And also the tension between father and daughter in that moment.
[UNKNOWN]: No, if the dragons are bonded, that has to play a role as well.
[UNKNOWN]: You know what I mean, that has to play a role as well, because they're feeding off their emotions as well.
[UNKNOWN]: of their writers.
[UNKNOWN]: And we see that not only with Reina and she be in in Damon and in cracks, he's but also with Darren and and Dissertial.
[UNKNOWN]: Yes, yes, Dissert is very like you.
[UNKNOWN]: I'm going to be able to say not even that, just say the words.
[UNKNOWN]: And we know which words I want to write at any time, any time I'm moving.
[UNKNOWN]: Like, can't we do we talk about stuff?
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, I'm super excited.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, yeah, so for sure.
[UNKNOWN]: And it was such a good seat, like this whole scene with Damon and his in that song, right?
[UNKNOWN]: Rayne, it was so good to see Damon care about something that was not him about him, right?
[UNKNOWN]: And the whole, like, so we have
[UNKNOWN]: Oh, I want to just have with Allison and her kids and Darren and whatnot.
[UNKNOWN]: And then we have, you know, Renera dealing with the grief of the loss of her sons.
[UNKNOWN]: And then we have Coralis and Allen.
[UNKNOWN]: And then with this with Damon and Reina, she's like, dude, I never asked you for anything.
[UNKNOWN]: And it really made me think like, oh, like, what is the
[UNKNOWN]: What is the nature of that?
[UNKNOWN]: What do we ask of our parents as children?
[UNKNOWN]: What do we ask of our parents?
[UNKNOWN]: Then is a parent?
[UNKNOWN]: What is it that our children are asking of us?
[UNKNOWN]: What do we owe them?
[UNKNOWN]: What do we responsible for beyond the legal construct?
[UNKNOWN]: So, you know, you gotta take care of them until they're 18.
[UNKNOWN]: And blah, blah, blah.
[UNKNOWN]: But this question of what happened between Damon and Reina and watching Damon, like, let me solve this like, I, you know, come home or like run away.
[UNKNOWN]: He was really distressed and tripped out by the fact that his daughter was like living in a cave.
[UNKNOWN]: She's a freaking princess, like, what are you doing in a cave?
[UNKNOWN]: You know, the first thing he tells her, what did you do to yourself?
[UNKNOWN]: Oh my God, right?
[UNKNOWN]: Like, what did you do to yourself?
[UNKNOWN]: Like, that's a, that's why I have a question, man.
[UNKNOWN]: Like, so later tonight as it happens, you and I are going to hop over for a minute to the don't just do rags podcast because they're podcast is going to, they're going to start recording like right after we get done.
[UNKNOWN]: And I just want to, I cannot wait to hear these guys pop off about this old scene.
[UNKNOWN]: Because I know like JD is going to have some funny shit to say.
[UNKNOWN]: because she looks bad.
[UNKNOWN]: She looks bad.
[UNKNOWN]: She's so bugged.
[UNKNOWN]: She looks, she looks traumatized.
[UNKNOWN]: She's the same age.
[UNKNOWN]: She's cut off her hair.
[UNKNOWN]: She knows that she has to be on the run.
[UNKNOWN]: She knows that she gets caught by her anaurus.
[UNKNOWN]: That's it.
[UNKNOWN]: Like, she doesn't know where next meal is coming from.
[UNKNOWN]: And this is someone who's been royalty.
[UNKNOWN]: You know, just, I just felt for her in that moment when she tells Damon, like, you didn't care about me.
[UNKNOWN]: I was the one that didn't have a dragon.
[UNKNOWN]: What's wrong with me?
[UNKNOWN]: You know what I mean?
[UNKNOWN]: That's how everybody treated me.
[UNKNOWN]: Everybody looked at me like, I was like, I was already nuts.
[UNKNOWN]: Because I didn't have a dragon.
[UNKNOWN]: Everybody looked down on me or pitting me.
[UNKNOWN]: You know, and now you're telling me, I gotta give up my dragon.
[UNKNOWN]: Fuck off.
[UNKNOWN]: This is what you, you were avoiding me all my life because of that.
[UNKNOWN]: And now I've done the unthinkable, team a while, I bonded with the whole body, done it, it's gone down like I caught myself, bonded with a wild dragon.
[UNKNOWN]: The witch, everybody says is impossible.
[UNKNOWN]: Mm-hmm.
[UNKNOWN]: And you're standing in front of me.
[UNKNOWN]: And you're telling me,
[UNKNOWN]: No way.
[UNKNOWN]: There's no way she's doing that.
[UNKNOWN]: And this dragon is, you know, the, this question of identity.
[UNKNOWN]: I think is really important to us as individuals, like, what's my identity and, like, what do I, how do I style myself?
[UNKNOWN]: Or, you know, if the white and, you know, queue the hammer, like, we have these little narratives about ourselves and it's how we relate to ourselves.
[UNKNOWN]: And she's the youngest, what do we have?
[UNKNOWN]: Bala, Baceras, and wait, a siblings, I'm looking at the thing.
[UNKNOWN]: So it was Lena, like shit, now I'm getting confused about her.
[UNKNOWN]: Bala's her other sister.
[UNKNOWN]: Bala's a twin sister, yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: Right.
[UNKNOWN]: Baceras, sort of a Sarah's Targaryen?
[UNKNOWN]: It's a baby, and then there's another egg on.
[UNKNOWN]: God, like, see George Ben, you got to knock off this ship, the names.
[UNKNOWN]: She's just like this forgotten kid, right?
[UNKNOWN]: They just, you know, nobody pays attention to her.
[UNKNOWN]: She doesn't have a dragon.
[UNKNOWN]: what they moved from the free city where were they pentose or something like that they were overseas so long time is he has baila and rena Raymond that's right that's right right um but he also has the two boys with renaura that's it that's where i was getting confused
[UNKNOWN]: call this his daughter.
[UNKNOWN]: Right.
[UNKNOWN]: He has.
[UNKNOWN]: Right.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: That's the arena.
[UNKNOWN]: And then with Renoir, he has a gun.
[UNKNOWN]: And it's the the next kids name visorous.
[UNKNOWN]: Sorry.
[UNKNOWN]: Right.
[UNKNOWN]: The service.
[UNKNOWN]: And just the.
[UNKNOWN]: the pain that Reina's feeling were like, okay, you found me in my cave, and now you're here trying to play dad and fix it for me, but very nothing to fix.
[UNKNOWN]: It's broke and that's just the way it is.
[UNKNOWN]: But that even bad the first after he tells her what did he do to yourself is like, I thought you were supposed to be Yeah, right and pentos with my with my other kids to boys looking after my other two boys right the other ones I really care about And she's like, what?
[UNKNOWN]: What are you talking about, what are you talking about, what are you talking about, what are you talking about, what are you talking about, what are you talking about, what are you talking about, what are you talking about, what are you talking about, what are you talking about, what are you talking about, what are you talking about, what are you talking about, what are you talking about, what are you talking about, what are you talking about, what are you talking about, what are you talking about, what are you talking about, what are you talking about, what are you talking about, what are you talking about, what are you talking about, what are you talking about, what are you talking about, what are you talking about, what are you talking about, what are you talking about, what are you talking about, what are you talking about, what are you talking about, what are you talking about, what are you talking about, what are you talking about, what are you talking about, what are you talking about, what are you talking about, what
[UNKNOWN]: And I think those things hit him because when he's like, oh, no, no, no, no, it can't be you can't be you because he knows.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, and this is the first time that I can say that I've seen him be a father just in that little moment of caring like, no, no, no, this can't be real, this can't be you.
[UNKNOWN]: And then he goes in a dad fix it mode like how are we going to fix this go go go go you know go catch up to that right here Well, or we'll go together and like all about for you protect like I'll protect you I got you you know instead Hey dad you want to do commit some trees in for me He does it he does it he does it
[UNKNOWN]: He doesn't.
[UNKNOWN]: At the expense of a poor past your coat.
[UNKNOWN]: I mean, he didn't have sheed.
[UNKNOWN]: There were goats.
[UNKNOWN]: I did double.
[UNKNOWN]: Oh, they were going to go to her.
[UNKNOWN]: Oh, I know.
[UNKNOWN]: Right.
[UNKNOWN]: But yeah, that's rough.
[UNKNOWN]: That's rough for dude.
[UNKNOWN]: It's, you know, and she has to live this nomadic lifestyle, but she's the hunt right now in the wilderness.
[UNKNOWN]: You know, she's out there just wild.
[UNKNOWN]: and unhoused and it's crazy.
[UNKNOWN]: Do you get a cave?
[UNKNOWN]: Oh my Jesus, come on, no, no, no, no, no, no.
[UNKNOWN]: She got fire.
[UNKNOWN]: She is unhoused at the moment.
[UNKNOWN]: I know, I know you're being silly.
[UNKNOWN]: But yeah, so for him,
[UNKNOWN]: And I think he, again, this is one of, this is the first time that I can't see David, actually, he don't show emotion, that's not based on anger.
[UNKNOWN]: The only other time I've seen him flicker is when he learned about the, the castle in of Harron Hall, getting killed.
[UNKNOWN]: You know, not like this is the stress rate.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: This is distress, and it was good to see this little wrinkle in his character.
[UNKNOWN]: And Matt Smith and Phoebe Campbell were just fucking killed.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, they killed us.
[UNKNOWN]: They killed us.
[UNKNOWN]: The sound design of the scene, the whole thing of them trying to keep their dragons calm, the silhouetting of Reina.
[UNKNOWN]: Reina's got damn it with the sheep's sheepy in the background with lighten up his throat.
[UNKNOWN]: We see her, you know, silhouette, like it was so good, just everything about it was just great.
[UNKNOWN]: And then she comes out and he's like, like, I'm Damon Targaryen.
[UNKNOWN]: I have done a lot of shit in my day.
[UNKNOWN]: I'm not scared.
[UNKNOWN]: And for a moment, he was scared.
[UNKNOWN]: He was scared.
[UNKNOWN]: It was like, what ghost is this that's coming out of this cave?
[UNKNOWN]: And then holy shit, it's my daughter.
[UNKNOWN]: wild.
[UNKNOWN]: Absolutely wild.
[UNKNOWN]: Let's talk about hair and haul.
[UNKNOWN]: Yes, so crispy coal and going or as in my mind.
[UNKNOWN]: G Wayne.
[UNKNOWN]: Ryan the Harry Hall and witness the deficit.
[UNKNOWN]: No, that's official.
[UNKNOWN]: All right, that hair and haul and witness the devastation brought by Amon and Vega.
[UNKNOWN]: They counter the rightful Lord and master.
[UNKNOWN]: That's Harry
[UNKNOWN]: Ooh, and for them, of the change in King's Landing and professes knowledge, no knowledge of the units of Amens, excuse me, whereabouts.
[UNKNOWN]: G-wane and coal, assessed this situation, and coal chooses the path of violence.
[UNKNOWN]: What did you think?
[UNKNOWN]: Man, I love Paranol, it's so spooky.
[UNKNOWN]: It's such a spooky place.
[UNKNOWN]: And crispy, it's really crispy right now after a big art toasted it up a little bit.
[UNKNOWN]: And I love every time before Alice shows up, there's a little goat bleep somewhere.
[UNKNOWN]: It's like, oh, that here comes Alice.
[UNKNOWN]: And then do the, okay, you know, the kids, you know, oh, slay queen, right, that's a little thing, you know, that my daughter says it a lot, quite a lot, you know, when they're giving each other props and stuff like that.
[UNKNOWN]: And I was like, oh,
[UNKNOWN]: You know, she's like, they're like, where's the dude?
[UNKNOWN]: Slay, oh, slay, slay, right?
[UNKNOWN]: I was like, oh, this is a queen.
[UNKNOWN]: And I just, I don't know, I think it's very funny.
[UNKNOWN]: But see in her, again, spooky again, right?
[UNKNOWN]: You know, we had a reena coming out of the cave and we've got Alice Rivers coming out of the shadows.
[UNKNOWN]: And that outfit she was wearing, I was just like, oh, I'm bending the knee right now.
[UNKNOWN]: This is it.
[UNKNOWN]: This is my queen.
[UNKNOWN]: She was great.
[UNKNOWN]: I absolutely love seeing her.
[UNKNOWN]: And I'm sorry that we don't have more for this episode.
[UNKNOWN]: I mean, the coldest talk, I hate this man, I hate his face, I hate the way he walks, I hate his armor, I hate his, you like his little hand necklace that he has.
[UNKNOWN]: Oh God, you know, yes, that thing, I hate him and you know, he's out here talking big,
[UNKNOWN]: You know, let's just give them the what's for you know what I mean, like yeah, we don't got the dragon, but they are number us but we're going to be men and we're going to Fuck off.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, but okay.
[UNKNOWN]: Well, I understand it.
[UNKNOWN]: I understand it.
[UNKNOWN]: I don't want to hear it from him right.
[UNKNOWN]: So I had a, I have a quick segue before we, we've year back in this circuit call.
[UNKNOWN]: Scotchips have reached on to it.
[UNKNOWN]: They found the remains of a level base, but they estimate that it has been deserted for some time.
[UNKNOWN]: I just went the guard came in and said, hey, we couldn't find nothing.
[UNKNOWN]: I just went to my mind, just went there.
[UNKNOWN]: My mind was like popping off and all these kinds of different directions.
[UNKNOWN]: I said, okay, I got a minute.
[UNKNOWN]: Let me pull some audio quotes.
[UNKNOWN]: So sorry for that.
[UNKNOWN]: Sorry.
[UNKNOWN]: No apologies.
[UNKNOWN]: The, this episode, this is like, don't sleep on this episode.
[UNKNOWN]: There's some stuff in here.
[UNKNOWN]: To me, I think one of the most illustrative, one of the most illustrative, let me say it that way.
[UNKNOWN]: lines of dialogue because we had a lot of character reveals in the dialogue, but this one knocked my socks off like from a writing standpoint this is so our task is simple keep the river scum from reaching King's Landing give woman time to swell his ranks army is 10 times our side 20 but let us attack it as the scorpion does the ox let us become raids
[UNKNOWN]: With theorists, our standards strike from the quiet and the darkness, our fight will not be clean, but it will be killed.
[UNKNOWN]: We'll be manned a man.
[UNKNOWN]: And it will be free from dragons.
[UNKNOWN]: Our fight will not be clean, but it will be pure.
[UNKNOWN]: Dude, that is like, from a dialogue standpoint, that is an awesome, awesome, fucking line, and it tells you everything you need to know about crispy coal.
[UNKNOWN]: Because who?
[UNKNOWN]: who decryzed their purity so much somebody who soiled their purity.
[UNKNOWN]: Somebody who hates themselves loads themselves.
[UNKNOWN]: He's seeking purity.
[UNKNOWN]: And he fucking hates these dragons.
[UNKNOWN]: And he wants a clean end to man fight.
[UNKNOWN]: And he wants to do the dirty business of being a soldier.
[UNKNOWN]: But seeking that purity, seeking that like release of of what he's done and how he's debouched himself, both with
[UNKNOWN]: Ah, this was just like an absolute A plus line delivery from one of the guy who makes my skin crawl.
[UNKNOWN]: Absolutely.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: And I wish it wasn't him who said it.
[UNKNOWN]: But that no one else could deliver that line.
[UNKNOWN]: Not in that way, about purity, our fight, no, I clean, but it will not be clean, but it will be pure.
[UNKNOWN]: And that is, that is a line that only coal can say.
[UNKNOWN]: I agree with you, but I refuse to give him credit.
[UNKNOWN]: I'm just not going to do it, I can't do it, I can't do it, I can't, I can't do it.
[UNKNOWN]: You cannot abide by serchrispy coal.
[UNKNOWN]: So this will be interesting too, and maybe I'll talk about this when we have the military corner on on the feedback show, because I got to get from hair and haul down, and then obviously, we're, you know, try to interact with the forces that are
[UNKNOWN]: embedded in tumble town, tumble town, and at the same time with the river lords there, and they're going to try to hairy and harass them.
[UNKNOWN]: And that can be a very effective strategy.
[UNKNOWN]: Good come.
[UNKNOWN]: the American rebel, the American colonists used it very effectively against the British line troops, especially when you had sort of straight line battle formations and being able to snipe harass and hairy, cause a lot of fear and a lot of it can destabilize things.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, you may not be
[UNKNOWN]: taking out whole companies of men and whatnot, but you are causing that fighting force to be less effective than they otherwise might be.
[UNKNOWN]: So we can we can talk about maybe Nate, Nate, if you're listening to this, maybe like right in a little bit about, because it's that necessarily really warfare tactics.
[UNKNOWN]: I mean, it is, but it's a little bit different.
[UNKNOWN]: They're
[UNKNOWN]: being in a prolonged fight in the same area and you're using non-standard, you're not forming up into formations and having sort of set piece battles.
[UNKNOWN]: You're doing something else you're like nipping at the heels of these forces that are moving.
[UNKNOWN]: So I think it's interesting.
[UNKNOWN]: But anyway, and I just love that fact that coal,
[UNKNOWN]: what dragons can do and the utter devastation that they can inflict.
[UNKNOWN]: And then when G-Wane
[UNKNOWN]: It's like, yo, games over, like, okay, we'll call it in, we'll go back, and Cole's like, you know, fuck you and your feathered bed, right?
[UNKNOWN]: You know, bulls, and I think this is another interesting thing that another dimension that's going on here is this question of power and who has power, Cole comes from a family that doesn't have power or G Wayne does.
[UNKNOWN]: And, yeah, high towers, like, okay, so we had a little rebellion didn't work out, you know, okay, well, we'll send some kids as words and hostages, we'll pay some tribute, and we'll kind of go back to our thing.
[UNKNOWN]: We lost a few soldiers, but no big deal.
[UNKNOWN]: We're still noble, you're still noble.
[UNKNOWN]: The power structure's still in place.
[UNKNOWN]: And Cole's like, not, that's the way that this game is playing.
[UNKNOWN]: And like, we are,
[UNKNOWN]: that's not the game.
[UNKNOWN]: This game is for to the death.
[UNKNOWN]: Whereas G Wayne is like, oh, okay, well, you know, it's over and then we'll just everybody go back to their sides and we'll just go back to being nobles.
[UNKNOWN]: He doesn't have the same perspective as Cole.
[UNKNOWN]: Cole has nothing to lose.
[UNKNOWN]: G Wayne has everything to lose.
[UNKNOWN]: Again, Cole is just, um, I think if he could ride a dragon, he would.
[UNKNOWN]: Well, you think so?
[UNKNOWN]: Yes, absolutely.
[UNKNOWN]: Because I don't think he has the, he doesn't, the more the scruples that he, he pretends to have.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: He pretends to have.
[UNKNOWN]: I think all based up entirely upon what the situation is.
[UNKNOWN]: If he could rock, if he could rock, if he could rock, if he could rock, if he could rock, if he could rock, if he could rock, if he could rock, if he could rock, if he could rock, if he could rock, if he could rock, if he could rock, if he could rock, if he could rock, if he could rock, if he could rock, if he could rock, if he could rock, if he could rock, if he could rock, if he could rock, if he could rock, if he could rock, if he could rock, if he could rock, if he could rock, if he could rock
[UNKNOWN]: and it gives them status, and he would absolutely he would do it.
[UNKNOWN]: So I am not fooled by this, you know, you know, this, this, this, principled Christian call.
[UNKNOWN]: This is a man with our principles, but a man who will use principles,
[UNKNOWN]: in order to further his own, his own, whatever, his own status, not only status within the larger nobility, but to make himself feel better about himself.
[UNKNOWN]: for anything other than doing anything that he can in order to make himself feel better.
[UNKNOWN]: And if he can't make himself feel better, if there was a way that what you're talking about with when he says, you know, it will be pure, right?
[UNKNOWN]: If there was another way to do so by decimating whoever was in front of him with our consequence,
[UNKNOWN]: Well, he said, Eric or Eric, he was like, remember when you walked in and he was like, bro, you're cloaks dirty.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: And he's like, no, you know, that's, it's not good enough to go change it.
[UNKNOWN]: You gotta go, you gotta go fix this.
[UNKNOWN]: Your brother's trader.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: Go fix this.
[UNKNOWN]: What?
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, go sneak in and go kill the queen.
[UNKNOWN]: Well, the, the, the, or shirt for whatever you want to call her, whatever coal would call her.
[UNKNOWN]: And he's got special venom for her.
[UNKNOWN]: Uh, yes.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, give it to the relationship.
[UNKNOWN]: Uh, um, he's like that, that is talk about no principal.
[UNKNOWN]: That, that's, that's, and that's my entire thing with was Christian coal.
[UNKNOWN]: He pretends.
[UNKNOWN]: Mm-hmm.
[UNKNOWN]: He has the facade of someone who's principal, but it's not real.
[UNKNOWN]: It's not real.
[UNKNOWN]: At one point, he even wanted to run away.
[UNKNOWN]: He was like, come on, princess, let's, like, give up, give up, give up your tone and let's go live as whatever's.
[UNKNOWN]: Vacabilities in the free cities.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, let's go around, you know.
[UNKNOWN]: No.
[UNKNOWN]: And then when she said, no, it's like, oh, heart, remember boy, let me do something to hurt her back.
[UNKNOWN]: And he's had ample opportunity.
[UNKNOWN]: And then he murdered the lover of what's his name,
[UNKNOWN]: at the big dinner and coordination dinner.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: And he murdered one of the small council dudes.
[UNKNOWN]: Okay, it was kind of an accident because bro, he just had on the little rock wall all things, the relics of a dead dead regime.
[UNKNOWN]: Love that line.
[UNKNOWN]: So good, right?
[UNKNOWN]: This is what I'm saying.
[UNKNOWN]: Like there's just all these little things.
[UNKNOWN]: And time and time and he's going to Alice and he was like, you know, I'm a terrible guy, you know, you shouldn't have me.
[UNKNOWN]: Oh, I mean, Eric or Eric or whatever one of the dudes fell on his sword, right?
[UNKNOWN]: Like, uh, wasn't there, you know, he, he, he's a coward, right?
[UNKNOWN]: He's kind of a coward because he can't actually face up to his actions.
[UNKNOWN]: And he will, he stays in the situation and he stays engaged in whatever it is.
[UNKNOWN]: And he's just, God, man, the talk about, then the bill hours on the therapy for that dude would be like, and now, and now he's telling that, now he's telling G Wayne, you know, let's go kill ourselves, let's be nasty, like, rage, it's like a scorpion's let's go die.
[UNKNOWN]: Anyway, he's looking at him like, you don't want to die, not for you.
[UNKNOWN]: No, I'm going to go back to my father better than no bowl, right?
[UNKNOWN]: No, I'm not fun.
[UNKNOWN]: How many of his men that he's leading would agree?
[UNKNOWN]: Mm-hmm.
[UNKNOWN]: Come on man, no.
[UNKNOWN]: He's not even a fanatic, right?
[UNKNOWN]: He's not even, he's not even like, Cole doesn't even believe in anything.
[UNKNOWN]: Like, he's, he's driven by his shame.
[UNKNOWN]: Uh, something, I,
[UNKNOWN]: It's just realized we have two hands of the rulers, a hand of the king, and a hand of the queen.
[UNKNOWN]: Not at their posts, they're both out.
[UNKNOWN]: Put it around in the countryside.
[UNKNOWN]: That's up with that.
[UNKNOWN]: All right.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, yeah, yeah, I'm I mean Quarterly spin.
[UNKNOWN]: We're gonna get there.
[UNKNOWN]: We'll get there in a second.
[UNKNOWN]: All right.
[UNKNOWN]: Let's take a quick break again and then we come back Let's talk a little bit about Agon and Laris
[UNKNOWN]: And we're back talking about the Aegon and Larasho.
[UNKNOWN]: I need to ask the listening audience.
[UNKNOWN]: We need a better name for this segment.
[UNKNOWN]: What do we call the agon and laris show?
[UNKNOWN]: Tangletong and mangle face is kind of too easy, right?
[UNKNOWN]: That was it that's a given.
[UNKNOWN]: We need something clever.
[UNKNOWN]: I mean, everybody was popping off last week about the, the penting bowl.
[UNKNOWN]: Like it was, that was pretty good.
[UNKNOWN]: We had some good names in there.
[UNKNOWN]: So we need some good names for the agon and laris traveling roadshow.
[UNKNOWN]: This like, you know, buddy.
[UNKNOWN]: uh... farce of them out on the road anyway they stop by to see the nearly dead sunfire you know it's coming what's not in the ocean i put some not dead he says he's not dead yes he isn't while he will be soon he's very well i'm getting better now you're not
[UNKNOWN]: You know I had to do it.
[UNKNOWN]: You know I had to do it and they didn't make their way to rook's rest and seek shelter to gather some info and buy their time to escape Westeros.
[UNKNOWN]: Hey, God, learns what it is to call another man, Lord.
[UNKNOWN]: Two pennies, Joe, touch the dragon with two hands.
[UNKNOWN]: Man, that's some steep prices.
[UNKNOWN]: And you know, Laeris needs to stop Flash and his Benjamin's around.
[UNKNOWN]: That big old wall that I don't feel bad.
[UNKNOWN]: That was pushing me all this episode.
[UNKNOWN]: I'm like, dude, you're going to get stuck.
[UNKNOWN]: Like, somebody's going to stick you like you went.
[UNKNOWN]: And I'm waiting for him to get stuck because he's killing not the pouch.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, these guys are, you know, people on the road.
[UNKNOWN]: they want the coin, like, and you'll just, his, his, my, and you will clearly or not, a, uh, somebody who's going to be able to defend themselves very vigorously, right, say, like put your money away, bro.
[UNKNOWN]: But Larry's is very clever and I thought it was incredibly clever when he did the little thing.
[UNKNOWN]: Well, okay, yeah, first he did the, uh, you know, you wouldn't want to kill a, you know, a holy man.
[UNKNOWN]: But then when he was like, oh, yeah, we escaped.
[UNKNOWN]: What was the other place not rich rest?
[UNKNOWN]: That's where they were at.
[UNKNOWN]: The other place, the first town, anyway, that got burned up, he was like, oh, yeah, we almost didn't make it, and check out this guy, he almost got burned up really bad.
[UNKNOWN]: So I thought that was like super clever.
[UNKNOWN]: Mm-hmm.
[UNKNOWN]: I, that interaction did not, in any way, humanize a government.
[UNKNOWN]: Let me just make that very clear from jump.
[UNKNOWN]: Let's, let's, let's be, let's be clear.
[UNKNOWN]: This was all about some fire.
[UNKNOWN]: You know, you know, you feelings for it.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, for it.
[UNKNOWN]: This is all about some fire.
[UNKNOWN]: And I said, Yeah, I don't think some fire is dead.
[UNKNOWN]: I have to agree with a guy.
[UNKNOWN]: I think that little dragon is just, you know, in a coma.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, they're talking about them.
[UNKNOWN]: They just scored just a little while ago about being in it.
[UNKNOWN]: Okay.
[UNKNOWN]: All right.
[UNKNOWN]: I think, um, yeah, I think he's in a coma, man.
[UNKNOWN]: And it's just like, I was expecting like a eye to open and shut.
[UNKNOWN]: Puffa, puffa, duffa, duffa, duffa, duffa.
[UNKNOWN]: And I didn't get it.
[UNKNOWN]: Right, we didn't get it.
[UNKNOWN]: But I don't believe that's on fire.
[UNKNOWN]: And last episode, there was somebody in the disc I figured who wasn't the discord said, oh, didn't there wasn't there a line?
[UNKNOWN]: And I posted the thing, and it was like, yeah, Damon says, you know, dead.
[UNKNOWN]: Yes, right.
[UNKNOWN]: I don't think so.
[UNKNOWN]: No, I don't think so.
[UNKNOWN]: No, Sunfire is not out of it yet.
[UNKNOWN]: Oh, no, and then yet.
[UNKNOWN]: And then when what's the, what's the character's name that was making a gun, um, bended me?
[UNKNOWN]: Oh, yeah, do we get his name?
[UNKNOWN]: I don't know.
[UNKNOWN]: We got his name.
[UNKNOWN]: I can't remember.
[UNKNOWN]: Okay.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, no, there was it was it.
[UNKNOWN]: No, not Gary.
[UNKNOWN]: Gary was the high tower soldier.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: So there's so many characters like that's the thing we have this amazing resource the show guide and it's just packed with characters it's like oh my god scrolling for days trying to find this dude.
[UNKNOWN]: don't know that I see him, just say, I know Nancy was working on it.
[UNKNOWN]: Anyway, just matter, that guy.
[UNKNOWN]: Janels.
[UNKNOWN]: That's it.
[UNKNOWN]: Janels.
[UNKNOWN]: That's it.
[UNKNOWN]: Janels.
[UNKNOWN]: That's what that, that was my first, as I was suffice going to come out.
[UNKNOWN]: But then some fight didn't come out.
[UNKNOWN]: It was actually hard to kiss the boo.
[UNKNOWN]: And I was like, yes.
[UNKNOWN]: I said, yes.
[UNKNOWN]: And this is,
[UNKNOWN]: Again, going into this question of power, Aegon thinks that he still has power.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: And Laerus understands the extent of his power in this world in this time.
[UNKNOWN]: This is not a safe place for us.
[UNKNOWN]: Right.
[UNKNOWN]: Our neither of us are, we're both disabled in some way that affects the ability for us to physically defend ourselves.
[UNKNOWN]: These people are hungry out here.
[UNKNOWN]: They will take what they want.
[UNKNOWN]: and leave us for dead and that's I think what the scene was of seeing the the the people scavenging the bodies in the battlefield.
[UNKNOWN]: And I know there's a bunch of historical research on that and and how you know that kind of stuff would would go on be it you know revolutionary war battles or you know earlier medieval battles.
[UNKNOWN]: But this is not a world to mess around, and Aegon is thinking that he still has power.
[UNKNOWN]: They're both physically impaired.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: And he's just not, he, you know, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's really interesting watching lyrids because lyrids has had to move.
[UNKNOWN]: This in this world, in this way, for his life.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, he spent a lot of time building up his abilities and skills to get out of shit without having to throw hands.
[UNKNOWN]: Mm-hmm.
[UNKNOWN]: Hey, Guy has none of that.
[UNKNOWN]: He has none of those skills.
[UNKNOWN]: He's like the opposite skills.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, he has none of those skills, right?
[UNKNOWN]: So here it is that that larry's is here, trying to save his life and he's just like, dude, I'm king.
[UNKNOWN]: That's all he keeps, everything that's fascinating is in his mind, as their own journey is that I am king.
[UNKNOWN]: And you can't talk to me this way because I'm the king.
[UNKNOWN]: And this goes to this question of power.
[UNKNOWN]: He has been raised all his life to have access to power with no responsibility or consequences for use of power.
[UNKNOWN]: None of it affects him.
[UNKNOWN]: and people are, he is, he's got, like, ultimate main character energy and everybody else's NPCs in his world and there's never been, he has no empathy for other people even his buddies and that he, you know, poor pastures to become like the king's guard, that was a bad job to take, you should have not taken that job.
[UNKNOWN]: uh... if you wanted to have fun and hang out with your buddy but even then you know when when those guys were getting the you know the told told for what what uh... just like uh... whatever sorry sorry man i can do nothing for you right he would cast them off as quick as anything it's just fascinating to watch
[UNKNOWN]: Larry's knowing how to maneuver and Aegon being totally lost and even when he was on the throne who it was fascinating to watch of Larry's maneuvering and Aegon being maneuvered because he's even as king he was lost.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah for sure even in power he was lost.
[UNKNOWN]: Right
[UNKNOWN]: which is what auto is just like, oh my god.
[UNKNOWN]: Right.
[UNKNOWN]: You guys seriously?
[UNKNOWN]: You don't make a call to be your hand.
[UNKNOWN]: You only here because you have a dragon.
[UNKNOWN]: Right.
[UNKNOWN]: That's it.
[UNKNOWN]: So little bit of theory crafting here.
[UNKNOWN]: And I don't think it's very, like you don't have to, this isn't like a cleverly embedded plot.
[UNKNOWN]: But there was a dude that was at the dragon at the sunflowers, whatever, you know, the viewing station, the pony rides.
[UNKNOWN]: And that same dude was in Brooks Rast when they were having the little confrontation about not having enough food.
[UNKNOWN]: Same dude, I checked, I posted screenshots in the discord.
[UNKNOWN]: And, both times, that dude was given Aegon a hard look, and I don't, I think that this guy is going to finger Aegon at some point.
[UNKNOWN]: Oh, wow.
[UNKNOWN]: that he's going to like maybe he was a foot soldier, maybe he was a cup, you know, maybe he was something somewhere and he maybe he saw the king pass by once saw the burnt or maybe you know, maybe he helped build the car, you know, something like he was around saw something.
[UNKNOWN]: He knows something when he's starting to put it together and then he took the him talk to Sunfire and the way that he's reacting to Sunfire.
[UNKNOWN]: Right.
[UNKNOWN]: The way that he's reacting to Janos with his sort of high and mighty like talking like a
[UNKNOWN]: I think that dude's going to put it together and it's going to compromise their position.
[UNKNOWN]: But same guy.
[UNKNOWN]: I was like, wait a minute.
[UNKNOWN]: When I was doing my rewatch today, I was like, well, it's not it's there, right?
[UNKNOWN]: They're not being overly clever about it.
[UNKNOWN]: But like it's those little things, those little things.
[UNKNOWN]: So, I think we're coming around to talking about Reneera.
[UNKNOWN]: But there's a lot of stuff in here, like she's an umbrella.
[UNKNOWN]: So you have the tiny council.
[UNKNOWN]: We have the issue with the hand of the queen.
[UNKNOWN]: We got the dragon seeds.
[UNKNOWN]: We got a grand maister or a while.
[UNKNOWN]: And Allison and Damon.
[UNKNOWN]: So I figured we just sort of run down the list here a little bit.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, let's do it.
[UNKNOWN]: Let's do it.
[UNKNOWN]: So we've got various scenes of Reneera attempting to get her hands around the levers of power and building her small council back up.
[UNKNOWN]: Hand of the Queen, Coral is a very area on FSoft to fight pirates and gives his son Allen a promotion.
[UNKNOWN]: Allen visits Reneera at her father's old Lego set and then
[UNKNOWN]: So a couple of scenes of Council here, and what's interesting is, at first, it's just Missaria and her new Queen's Guard dude and Grand Master, or a while, is not even sitting at the table.
[UNKNOWN]: Right.
[UNKNOWN]: And then it's them,
[UNKNOWN]: it's grandmaste to earn massaria and then we've got what's his name who's the new master of coin guy mandally yeah torn mandally and listen there's somebody else so like each yeah yeah that's right so each scene of the small council
[UNKNOWN]: boop boop boop boop like it's building back up like we're actually seeing and they're not talking about it and see in the way of like oh hey look everybody we've got new people to sit at the small council they're just showing us boop boop boop she's actually doing what she needs to do is reconstitute a small council that is her small council not a bunch of other entrenched interests that make up her small council but they did let us know they let us know
[UNKNOWN]: They did, but like I'm just saying it's in a very clever, they did it in a really way.
[UNKNOWN]: They did it.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: It was an exposition.
[UNKNOWN]: Hello, sir.
[UNKNOWN]: Right.
[UNKNOWN]: Well, it was the new.
[UNKNOWN]: It was a council.
[UNKNOWN]: You were now joining, so and so and so and so and so and so and so and so and so and so and so and so and so and so and so and so and so and so and so and so and so and so and so and so and so and so and so and so and so and so and so and so and so and so and so and so and so and so and so and so and so and so and so and so and so and so and so and so and so and so and so and so and so and so and so and so and so and so and so and so and so and so and so and so and so and so and so and so and so and so and so and so and
[UNKNOWN]: And she's like, man, really, that's like, okay, perfect, good.
[UNKNOWN]: Like we do, that's clear, that's set up, right?
[UNKNOWN]: And then it's done.
[UNKNOWN]: It's not exposition.
[UNKNOWN]: It's not stupid exposition stuff.
[UNKNOWN]: And they are treating us like we're smart.
[UNKNOWN]: I love that she told or will make sure you tell, sorry, everything that you do.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: Like, she's really empowered her, like, you know, she's an integral part of this and you better keep a, I want her to know everything that you don't.
[UNKNOWN]: But, bringing her up that little bit, we'll talk about it later, but she didn't.
[UNKNOWN]: when she told the, which gave the orders of the gold for the gold cloaks.
[UNKNOWN]: Oh yeah, that was bad.
[UNKNOWN]: She really should have ran that through Missaria.
[UNKNOWN]: That was bad.
[UNKNOWN]: That should have been a Missaria operation.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, that was bad.
[UNKNOWN]: Not a gold cloak operation.
[UNKNOWN]: Absolutely.
[UNKNOWN]: The other thing that was really bugging me a little bit was that she's trying to plot military strategy without anyone who's been versed in military strategy.
[UNKNOWN]: So, you know, fair enough, you know, outside of the box thinking, being a little, you know, on orthodox and whatnot,
[UNKNOWN]: But I am impressed at what she was doing.
[UNKNOWN]: She was really thinking she was putting her noodle into it and she was like, okay, let me go talk to Orwell.
[UNKNOWN]: I mean, talk to Allison.
[UNKNOWN]: And so she actually really was doing ruling.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: She was ruling.
[UNKNOWN]: I like it.
[UNKNOWN]: She was not depending on other people to tell her her what to do.
[UNKNOWN]: She was trying to figure this shit out.
[UNKNOWN]: Mm-hmm.
[UNKNOWN]: You know, as she was asking the right questions.
[UNKNOWN]: Going to the right sources.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, going to sources and just saying, hey,
[UNKNOWN]: and then making decisions.
[UNKNOWN]: Whether we can agree with those decisions or not, the fact is that she went about it in a way that I can respect.
[UNKNOWN]: We got a new queen's guard.
[UNKNOWN]: I don't know who this dude is.
[UNKNOWN]: He looks like he's kind of out of a page from a catalog.
[UNKNOWN]: He's very handsome and very fancy-looking.
[UNKNOWN]: But I'm sure somebody, I'm sure there's some lore about him.
[UNKNOWN]: So if one of the lore heads wants to,
[UNKNOWN]: of our lore hounds out there once the let us know a little bit more about him that would be great for the Thursday feedback episode.
[UNKNOWN]: Misari is fucking hilarious.
[UNKNOWN]: What small quantity of gold that Damon has brought back?
[UNKNOWN]: Like two, she's always digging him.
[UNKNOWN]: Always digging it.
[UNKNOWN]: What whose head was that?
[UNKNOWN]: I don't know.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, she's on point.
[UNKNOWN]: She's so afraid.
[UNKNOWN]: And she knows Damon, she's got plenty of experience with Damon.
[UNKNOWN]: She knows these lines.
[UNKNOWN]: And she knows Damon, she's got plenty of experience with Damon.
[UNKNOWN]: She knows these lines.
[UNKNOWN]: No, is this game?
[UNKNOWN]: There is an interesting question, and I was thinking about you, Brian 863, when this question came up, was this question of the use of the gold and in Reneer, like good on her, like, you know, right or wrong decision,
[UNKNOWN]: but she made a call.
[UNKNOWN]: She's like, the gold is going to do this period.
[UNKNOWN]: And then we're going to, this is how we're going to balance this other issue with that.
[UNKNOWN]: Now that said, using the gold, like your ballot, you've got two forces here.
[UNKNOWN]: You've got your security forces and you've got your small folk.
[UNKNOWN]: And she's betting that they can string out the security forces a little longer, but the danger is you don't pay your security forces your secret police your regular police your paramilitary your straight up military units.
[UNKNOWN]: If they're not getting theirs, that ultimately is a recipe.
[UNKNOWN]: What does that say?
[UNKNOWN]: Even Aaron, I think I'd be interested in Aaron from Radioactive Ramburgs.
[UNKNOWN]: I know he was studying political science.
[UNKNOWN]: Like I know there's a bunch of scholarly work in about this area, about like what happens when death spots rulers, you know, whatever rulers of various types, when they don't look after theirs, when they depend on a security state, when they depend on a state that is employing
[UNKNOWN]: military, paramilitary, police forces to maintain control of the population that that knife literally has two edges, and it will cut you one way as quickly as it will cut the other way.
[UNKNOWN]: And if you don't pay them soon enough, they are not going to be happy and that is going to be a big strategic disadvantage for you.
[UNKNOWN]: So, that is what it is.
[UNKNOWN]: I'm gonna ask if fuck everything I'm out.
[UNKNOWN]: That's me, that's me, that's me, that's me, that's me, that's me, that's me, that's me, that's me, that's me, that's me, that's me, that's me, that's me, that's me, that's me, that's me, that's me, that's me, that's me, that's me, that's me, that's me, that's me, that's me, that's me, that's me, that's me, that's me, that's me, that's me, that's me, that's me, that's me, that's me, that's me, that's me, that's me, that's me, that's me, that's me, that's me, that's me, that's me, that's me, that's me, that's me, that's me, that's me, that's me, that's me, that's me, that's
[UNKNOWN]: You know, I tried to give you legitimacy and I failed, saw them out.
[UNKNOWN]: You know, I'll be back some time, I guess.
[UNKNOWN]: But while I'm gone, you know, go, go, go chill in the council.
[UNKNOWN]: You know, yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: Here we go again.
[UNKNOWN]: Thanks, Dad, for that.
[UNKNOWN]: I cannot give you legitimacy.
[UNKNOWN]: But I can give you the chance to better yourself.
[UNKNOWN]: Anger is not something that could be ended with a blade.
[UNKNOWN]: My Lord.
[UNKNOWN]: And you should have tried to give me something to better myself a long time ago, or a long time ago.
[UNKNOWN]: So, there's this whole issue of parents and what do we owe our children and what let's children do we ask of our parents and this all ongoing relationship between Alan and Coralis.
[UNKNOWN]: But I just wanted to highlight that other
[UNKNOWN]: that anger cannot, what it would heal me, let me hear that.
[UNKNOWN]: I think it has something that can be ended with a blade.
[UNKNOWN]: I cannot give you a chance to receive, but I can give you the chance to bet to yourself.
[UNKNOWN]: Anger is not something that can be ended with a blade.
[UNKNOWN]: My Lord.
[UNKNOWN]: So this idea that revenge and in Reneer is dealing with his as well with the whole fake sheep's
[UNKNOWN]: guy like revenge.
[UNKNOWN]: Like what were you going to do?
[UNKNOWN]: Were you going to torture this guy?
[UNKNOWN]: Were you going to kill him?
[UNKNOWN]: Right.
[UNKNOWN]: Coralist.
[UNKNOWN]: Right.
[UNKNOWN]: Okay.
[UNKNOWN]: Didn't work out.
[UNKNOWN]: You're not doing great as a hand.
[UNKNOWN]: Maybe you should resign.
[UNKNOWN]: But you know, just to go out and pick a fight with some pirates.
[UNKNOWN]: Okay.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: Fine.
[UNKNOWN]: That's a legitimate concern.
[UNKNOWN]: We got to fight these pirates.
[UNKNOWN]: But you're your sore, your pissed off.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: Okay.
[UNKNOWN]: You got a lot of pissed off things.
[UNKNOWN]: Get over it.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: You got a job to do.
[UNKNOWN]: And if you don't want to do that job, then resign that job.
[UNKNOWN]: You've done a lot of shit.
[UNKNOWN]: So, you know, sometimes you got to admit, I've done a lot of fucked up shit.
[UNKNOWN]: Mm-hmm.
[UNKNOWN]: And, what I did I want Rinaura to, you know, legitimize Adam and Alan, yes.
[UNKNOWN]: Did I understand why she did it in do it?
[UNKNOWN]: Yes, does it make it right?
[UNKNOWN]: No.
[UNKNOWN]: Am I pissed?
[UNKNOWN]: Yes.
[UNKNOWN]: What are you going to do for them now, right?
[UNKNOWN]: Because they're in the position that they're in because of you.
[UNKNOWN]: And if you are not around, what makes you think, this was my thought, what makes you think that these people will treat them fairly without the great sea snake
[UNKNOWN]: Just because they're here now doesn't mean that your job is overburled, it doesn't mean that their place is set, it doesn't mean that they're safe.
[UNKNOWN]: What are you going to do?
[UNKNOWN]: And at the first hint, the first moment that his shit is not where he needs to be, he does what he has always done.
[UNKNOWN]: and he goes to fight some stuff.
[UNKNOWN]: That's what when the last time he always got killed.
[UNKNOWN]: He was all upset about a bunch of stuff and he was like, well, I'm going to go fight these triarchy.
[UNKNOWN]: Because at least that's what I can do.
[UNKNOWN]: Right.
[UNKNOWN]: We're going to say it wrong, though.
[UNKNOWN]: I mean, I think Alan would make a will make a great hand.
[UNKNOWN]: I, in time.
[UNKNOWN]: No doubts.
[UNKNOWN]: Yes.
[UNKNOWN]: In time.
[UNKNOWN]: but he's seen how this world works in a way that Alan has not.
[UNKNOWN]: So who does Alan lean on?
[UNKNOWN]: If he's not around, his brother, his brother.
[UNKNOWN]: He doesn't lean on his brother.
[UNKNOWN]: He doesn't, they don't, and his brother has that.
[UNKNOWN]: A dragon right now, he's doing the shit.
[UNKNOWN]: So who does Alan lean on in this moment?
[UNKNOWN]: You know, I mean, you know, he says I'm not a creature of the court, but it's like Ned wasn't a creature of the court either, and you're building from you're in the middle of a war, and things are really unstable, and you're going to be the assistant to the traveling assistant of the team or something like that.
[UNKNOWN]: I'm trying to think of what George
[UNKNOWN]: Like, you're the hand of the queen, bro.
[UNKNOWN]: And he's not, though, not legit.
[UNKNOWN]: He doesn't have a little thing.
[UNKNOWN]: How many different, uh, medial hand of the king, my queen medialians, they have.
[UNKNOWN]: They must have a whole library of them.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, they got, like, they got them just made.
[UNKNOWN]: You know what I mean?
[UNKNOWN]: They got somebody making them.
[UNKNOWN]: They're a jewelry store, you're walking.
[UNKNOWN]: And, um, but, you know, that,
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, she wants, I just didn't sit right with me that he left his kid yet again.
[UNKNOWN]: Right, he left his kid in a dinner world.
[UNKNOWN]: Who hasn't been raised in that?
[UNKNOWN]: And that's my whole point.
[UNKNOWN]: If Ellen had been raised in that, I call, I get it.
[UNKNOWN]: But he hasn't.
[UNKNOWN]: And it's not that he's not capable.
[UNKNOWN]: You see, no, no, no, no, no, but he just didn't have the training.
[UNKNOWN]: He's been, he's been a, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, you know, uh, what I, I've, I forget about the ranks are on the ships, but anyway, he's been on a, you know, the chief officer of a boat, you know, the fighting ship.
[UNKNOWN]: These are people who have been in court for decades.
[UNKNOWN]: and they know how to maneuver and work the system.
[UNKNOWN]: And they know how to snipe people.
[UNKNOWN]: Mm-hmm.
[UNKNOWN]: They know how to get people talking about you and ways that are not good for you.
[UNKNOWN]: And you just left them there, for it in that.
[UNKNOWN]: And that does it well.
[UNKNOWN]: So Reneer is down, checking out the old Lego model of old Valeria.
[UNKNOWN]: that was joking around on the on the discord.
[UNKNOWN]: Who's it was it was it's that to each you can or somebody.
[UNKNOWN]: We were joking we should uh oh no it was Rocky's him Rocky's him said I really want to show or series about old the area.
[UNKNOWN]: Then I said.
[UNKNOWN]: It shouldn't be how often do you think about the Roman Empire you know that will mean thing that went around a minute ago.
[UNKNOWN]: I was thinking it should be how often do you think about old Valeria that's uh that's
[UNKNOWN]: question to be asking in this community.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: I don't think it bears much weight anymore.
[UNKNOWN]: No, but not for Raynara.
[UNKNOWN]: The, um, we all the sound of the rats around the model too.
[UNKNOWN]: They've even shown us the rats.
[UNKNOWN]: They even showed us the rats.
[UNKNOWN]: And it was, I think it's, it's telling you know, so granted it's a great setup for the cat.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, the thing is why we have cats.
[UNKNOWN]: So we owe Allen a debt of, we're forever in your debt, Allen, for giving us the cats of the Red Keep.
[UNKNOWN]: That said, I just thought it was a very interesting visual storytelling device, just to have these rats screwing around the city in this little later model.
[UNKNOWN]: And you know, I can't keep thinking,
[UNKNOWN]: The Sarah says, I'm always thinking about the of old Alaria.
[UNKNOWN]: It was a ghost in his mind.
[UNKNOWN]: It was something that was afraid of what was his thought and relationship to old Alaria.
[UNKNOWN]: And why did that affect his use of powers?
[UNKNOWN]: So when we go back to this question about the, about how power, all these different questions about power and how it permeates and who uses it.
[UNKNOWN]: Well, I think when you say that it goes back to what Alice said last episode, your father was in a world of his own.
[UNKNOWN]: You know, and I think that's what it was.
[UNKNOWN]: Well, clearly that was the world he put him in self in.
[UNKNOWN]: But then how did that, what my question is, is how did that shape his use of power?
[UNKNOWN]: how did his ideas about old Valeria in form how he exercised his power?
[UNKNOWN]: Was he afraid of the doom?
[UNKNOWN]: Was he afraid of, you know, was he trying to live up to like, what were the ghosts, what were the ghosts saying to him?
[UNKNOWN]: Well, he, it's just a question, like I don't know the other thing.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, that's a good question, I'm thinking about it because,
[UNKNOWN]: You know, the Bulgarians weren't, they were not the rulers.
[UNKNOWN]: Right, they were just another family, right?
[UNKNOWN]: They were another fan, they were not the rulers over there.
[UNKNOWN]: So there was just some dude had a vision, it was to say, we better get you up out of here and then they split with the Valarians.
[UNKNOWN]: That's a good question.
[UNKNOWN]: How does he see himself?
[UNKNOWN]: Well, yeah, thought, thought.
[UNKNOWN]: uh... right let's talk uh... about the dragon seeds but yeah let's do that uh... will kick the break a little bit further out quickly about the dragon seeds he offers to take watch tumble town and off returns to his old tavern after he sees some graffiti later he's insulted by the queen again and when she when he delivers the news about that about said graffiti
[UNKNOWN]: And, you know it, this is my last one, this is the last one.
[UNKNOWN]: What's this thing?
[UNKNOWN]: Room mornings, are you on dumbest?
[UNKNOWN]: People call around mornings, they go the house.
[UNKNOWN]: It's a, it's a, rules go home.
[UNKNOWN]: No, it doesn't.
[UNKNOWN]: What's that in for Roman?
[UNKNOWN]: I wanted to play like this whole clip, but I like really forced myself to do the chopping down.
[UNKNOWN]: There was just so many, it was all of them, all of them were there, life of Brian, holy grail.
[UNKNOWN]: Like it was all just right there.
[UNKNOWN]: Like I think these writers are like very literate people.
[UNKNOWN]: Maybe that's why I like this season so much, just like, I can detect there what they're layering in here.
[UNKNOWN]: Uh, Hugh, what do you think about Hugh, Hugh with the hammer?
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, I don't understand his point, you know, and he wants to be there to watch over his wife.
[UNKNOWN]: He wants to be there to make sure nothing happens, sir.
[UNKNOWN]: So he's like going to be vigilant, but yet he's compromised at the same time.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, because we see some shit going down.
[UNKNOWN]: What's he going to do?
[UNKNOWN]: He's going to do what he has to do.
[UNKNOWN]: You know, so it's a very dangerous situation that Reinaura is concurrently over Tomodam.
[UNKNOWN]: And I think do you think Kat knew that it was him when he flew over or she was hopeful it was him?
[UNKNOWN]: I like to think that she thought it was him?
[UNKNOWN]: I don't know.
[UNKNOWN]: I love that wind effect.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, no, it's like, oh, that's great.
[UNKNOWN]: That's great.
[UNKNOWN]: That's what what do you know like you know what a helicopter flies over here something you need to get the downwash right you know this thing is beating its wings.
[UNKNOWN]: When flying low, it's buzzing flying.
[UNKNOWN]: No, yeah, flying low.
[UNKNOWN]: Uh, and then I love that it's off that brings the news of the graffiti because she's like,
[UNKNOWN]: She does the whole hand gesture, this whole thing, this belly, this is my belly.
[UNKNOWN]: She's like circling her hands.
[UNKNOWN]: But off is, is wow.
[UNKNOWN]: Either while he's, you know, he's like, yo, can I, can I get a joint?
[UNKNOWN]: So I could, you know, show off.
[UNKNOWN]: I don't know why he, he could invite his friends into the red keep, right?
[UNKNOWN]: He could presumably.
[UNKNOWN]: Right?
[UNKNOWN]: Well, you guys beer.
[UNKNOWN]: Hell, give me, let me get a joint, pay for it.
[UNKNOWN]: So I could have people over and they can see how big of a person I am.
[UNKNOWN]: And then I can be happy and you won't insult me and I won't feel like, you know, like, yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: Like, when you press me, I'm not going to snap.
[UNKNOWN]: Right.
[UNKNOWN]: Like, he's, he's something else, man.
[UNKNOWN]: He's something else.
[UNKNOWN]: uh... let's see here then we get the scene and this is the one that i think this is really a bit faithful we mentioned it before with masaria like she should have run this by masaria yeah but this really reminded me of the quasi quasi it's a very famous quote will no one ridden ridden me of this turbulent priest said by Henry the second about tomis back at the art
[UNKNOWN]: And this is this whole idea of, you know, a ruler says something vague about something getting, you know, like that's bugging them or they want to get done and it's an imprecise instruction and
[UNKNOWN]: We've seen this go wrong a couple of times with the rat catchers.
[UNKNOWN]: Right.
[UNKNOWN]: And now with these brute force raids, which are completely counter to everything that Masario has been trying to build up.
[UNKNOWN]: Yep.
[UNKNOWN]: And she's set it in this moment of frustration and and unthinking.
[UNKNOWN]: But I think this is a really bad.
[UNKNOWN]: Amen.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: And people at this power level, you have to be careful about what you say because your words drift down.
[UNKNOWN]: to people down the power chain and they're like, oh, did they mean this or did they mean that?
[UNKNOWN]: Well, there's not really a culture around here of me following up and asking clarifying questions.
[UNKNOWN]: So yeah, it's, you know, you gotta be careful about what you say when you sit this high up.
[UNKNOWN]: That's much, with the, with the glow cloaks because they don't know any other way, but to be brutal.
[UNKNOWN]: We've not seen them be gentle ever.
[UNKNOWN]: So, why give them license to go out and just, you know, weigh lay people.
[UNKNOWN]: Rex, shut up.
[UNKNOWN]: Yes, it's not.
[UNKNOWN]: It's it's completely counter to what Missario was trying to work on.
[UNKNOWN]: Right now, we had a little technical malfunction, but I think we're fine.
[UNKNOWN]: We had been talking about, uh, all from the dragon seeds.
[UNKNOWN]: Uh, I know this won't sound like nothing to the, to the listeners because it's that kind of an error.
[UNKNOWN]: But anyway, we're just coming back in.
[UNKNOWN]: Did you have anything more to talk about?
[UNKNOWN]: No, no.
[UNKNOWN]: Just some.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, this is a very bad situation that's standing up for Rinaura.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: And the royal belly.
[UNKNOWN]: That belly is my belly.
[UNKNOWN]: A little hand gestures.
[UNKNOWN]: It was so fun.
[UNKNOWN]: It's like dragging me up.
[UNKNOWN]: She's so good.
[UNKNOWN]: I have to say, Emma Darcy is just phenomenal.
[UNKNOWN]: absolutely phenomenal.
[UNKNOWN]: I got to be right this time.
[UNKNOWN]: They're acting like the way that they go from seeing to seeing the way they code switch between like all for, you know, because they're grandmaster or Allison's that just level performance is just, it's so good.
[UNKNOWN]: Like, I think so far this is really my favorite season of this show without it, without it out.
[UNKNOWN]: And these performances
[UNKNOWN]: Would you talk about grin, maister, or while?
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, let's do that.
[UNKNOWN]: She talks with Oral, several times, and reappoints him to our small council, and also has him do some research on the high towers.
[UNKNOWN]: He offers his offer, some advice, or mostly, mostly, sound.
[UNKNOWN]: So, you haven't seen the agency I'm guessing.
[UNKNOWN]: With no, I have not.
[UNKNOWN]: I haven't.
[UNKNOWN]: Are you a spy?
[UNKNOWN]: I can't I don't know.
[UNKNOWN]: I don't know this about you so you a spy guy I got my issues with the CIA, so Well, this is the agency is like full there's like in the it's all about the CIA
[UNKNOWN]: Well, anyway, season one of the agency, Kurt Edgey, when Edgey Allwin, I believe is how to pronounce his last name, who plays Greene Mester or while, is one of the antagonists of season one of the agency.
[UNKNOWN]: He's so good, he's so good in that season.
[UNKNOWN]: He's so interesting, he's a baddie, he's like a baddie, baddie.
[UNKNOWN]: But like there's just some nuances to his performance and that season, and I just really enjoy what he's got cooking.
[UNKNOWN]: And this episode, they actually gave him some things to do and some things to say and not just be sort of a background functionary, but he was actually giving Raniera some good advice and counseling her wisely about how to manage the
[UNKNOWN]: and she was like, well, let's see, what did you like kill his ass and she's like damn.
[UNKNOWN]: I was I was going that I loved that.
[UNKNOWN]: I would have gone with plan B, kill him.
[UNKNOWN]: So we talked before too about this I this thing with Raniera, she's like figuring it out, right?
[UNKNOWN]: What did she do?
[UNKNOWN]: I need to see all the correspondences between the red keep and
[UNKNOWN]: Ormans, it's a step ahead because he's got no replies.
[UNKNOWN]: No replies.
[UNKNOWN]: So I don't know how you run a search like that.
[UNKNOWN]: Maybe they have duplicates of their request.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, right?
[UNKNOWN]: Like, because what you give them, you give the message to the person, do they try, because what if they just burn it on the spot or throw it away?
[UNKNOWN]: There's what I was like, yeah, yeah, yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: I don't know.
[UNKNOWN]: All men didn't respond, so we will only have, but if you write the message and then you see it with the little wax thing and you put it in the thing and then you give it to the macer, it's a sealed message, like unless it's like mundane communications, like if it's secret negotiation, stuff secret order stuff, it's not going to get copied into some like master book.
[UNKNOWN]: Right.
[UNKNOWN]: Regardless, how do you run the search on that?
[UNKNOWN]: I still think it gets copied.
[UNKNOWN]: Like, he's not, like, auto wasn't sending him, wasn't, was sending him probably secretissives, but don't even missives that they can actually look up on the ones that were.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, but who does that?
[UNKNOWN]: How do you do that?
[UNKNOWN]: Like how is that index?
[UNKNOWN]: How is that cross-reference?
[UNKNOWN]: That's what I'd say like that's what they're not It's what they do What the least is do This is job.
[UNKNOWN]: They need to.
[UNKNOWN]: Hello.
[UNKNOWN]: They're gonna do it in the dark.
[UNKNOWN]: Right.
[UNKNOWN]: It's a job If the rats have eaten all the candles, it's gonna be hard for them to do that stuff So, but this is as I was saying before, too.
[UNKNOWN]: This is part of the breadcrumming that has been happening all episode
[UNKNOWN]: no replies from Oremont, right?
[UNKNOWN]: Like, oh, that's an interesting detail.
[UNKNOWN]: That's a blink and you miss a detail.
[UNKNOWN]: But then you add it to what Alice was saying.
[UNKNOWN]: And then you add it to what Orr Orr while says later about the, or, you know, in the same conversation about the story, set and the interlinkages between the high towers and the seven, the faces of the seven.
[UNKNOWN]: So there's all these little things that are building up.
[UNKNOWN]: And this is like, these are like little conversations that you could just blow by.
[UNKNOWN]: But on rewatch, I was like, oh, that's a clue there.
[UNKNOWN]: That's a clue embedded there.
[UNKNOWN]: And it was all in service of the Spig reveal at the end of the fact that our guy,
[UNKNOWN]: Ormond is, uh, he's a member of the Christmas.
[UNKNOWN]: We'll talk about him when we get there.
[UNKNOWN]: And he really is.
[UNKNOWN]: He really is.
[UNKNOWN]: That's the sad part.
[UNKNOWN]: And it's not lost on to mean that that, uh, that, did you on?
[UNKNOWN]: And or well, they're a person of color and they're talking about this like,
[UNKNOWN]: The high towers are bad, can news, man.
[UNKNOWN]: They are supremacists, right?
[UNKNOWN]: Fundamentalists.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, but they are, we are the better mid.
[UNKNOWN]: Like, we are the, we are above everybody else.
[UNKNOWN]: We are a superior race.
[UNKNOWN]: We'll get there.
[UNKNOWN]: Um, so they mentioned the starry sept, which is the sept in old town and it's like the high sept of bail or it's like this big domed thing apparently I didn't want to read too far in the wiki because I didn't want to get that spoiled, but if anybody's got some details on the, um, the story sept that would be cool.
[UNKNOWN]: Um, and then this interlinkages of the high towers and the faith of the seven.
[UNKNOWN]: The, like she was asking, you know, like with the with the high towers controlled, the faith of the seven and, and he's like, no, you know, they're the seven are to, you know, they think too much of themselves.
[UNKNOWN]: But do you need to take control when it comes to being aligned in purpose?
[UNKNOWN]: If you have the same purpose, if you have the same baseline purpose, you do not need to actually take active control.
[UNKNOWN]: Right?
[UNKNOWN]: I mean, I see the high towers in the seven, you know, like I see our real life, you know, conservative movement and that's a Christian, the Christian, right?
[UNKNOWN]: A lot of the, a lot of folks are not.
[UNKNOWN]: believers, but they co-op the messaging in order to gain power.
[UNKNOWN]: Ormond looks like he's a true believer of fanatic, which I think is the difference.
[UNKNOWN]: I don't think Aero, high-town was a fanatic.
[UNKNOWN]: No, no.
[UNKNOWN]: Ormond is.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: 100%.
[UNKNOWN]: and when he and the high captain have the same purpose in mind, you don't need to he doesn't need to control the church and the church doesn't need to control him.
[UNKNOWN]: Because he is the church and they're parallel.
[UNKNOWN]: They're running parallel track.
[UNKNOWN]: No, that's what I'm saying.
[UNKNOWN]: So essentially there is no difference.
[UNKNOWN]: Right.
[UNKNOWN]: Exactly.
[UNKNOWN]: He's a church.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, that's no difference.
[UNKNOWN]: The one thing that I was thinking Reneer could do, in which I kind of thought, or while was suggesting not just killing the high septon, was that if you merge the crown and the faith, so that the political ruler was the religious ruler.
[UNKNOWN]: Right.
[UNKNOWN]: And I think we have some plenty of real world historical, right, the examples of this, the Church of England, right, to the monarch is the head of the church.
[UNKNOWN]: the pharaohs, right?
[UNKNOWN]: They were, you know?
[UNKNOWN]: I don't know enough about Central and South American ancient civilizations, but, you know, I think there were some people who thought they were God kings down there as well.
[UNKNOWN]: And so it's not uncommon.
[UNKNOWN]: But yeah, I thought it was like, why are you suggesting that she take over the church?
[UNKNOWN]: That would be interesting, but then to have a Targaryen take over the faith as seven.
[UNKNOWN]: They, I don't think they would.
[UNKNOWN]: What?
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: That would be hard.
[UNKNOWN]: Be hard.
[UNKNOWN]: Let's talk about Allison.
[UNKNOWN]: We see Rhinara talking things out, talking things through with Allison, and the guys would trying to learn what she can about a one month.
[UNKNOWN]: And then I think later there's a blip of a scene where she returns the ring.
[UNKNOWN]: and she just doesn't know enough about one.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, very superficial.
[UNKNOWN]: You know, Alice doesn't have to tell her or anything, but she does.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, she tells her, you know, doesn't like the sensitive to smells.
[UNKNOWN]: So that's a thing, where is it?
[UNKNOWN]: Oh, I had a whole hyper-somia, hyper,
[UNKNOWN]: hyper-osmia.
[UNKNOWN]: Hyper-osmia?
[UNKNOWN]: Did I type of that?
[UNKNOWN]: No, that's right, hyper-osmia.
[UNKNOWN]: A rare condition characterized by an overwhelming hypersensisivity to smells.
[UNKNOWN]: According to Wikipedia, it can be genetic or it can be environmentally induced and there's some different things that can cause it.
[UNKNOWN]: And there's not really, there's only ways to kind of manage it.
[UNKNOWN]: So obviously,
[UNKNOWN]: I think even when he was talking to, well, no, let's save it, let's save this.
[UNKNOWN]: Let's save, let's save a talk of Orman until we get to the trouble in.
[UNKNOWN]: So this relationship with Allison and Reneer, where you at based on these conversations, I mean, it's what I've been saying the entire season.
[UNKNOWN]: You know what I mean?
[UNKNOWN]: It's fascinating to see the two of them interact with each other, knowing the harm that they've done to each other.
[UNKNOWN]: It's like, you know, we've heard each other so badly, we've done terrible things to each other.
[UNKNOWN]: there's no way we could come back from that, right?
[UNKNOWN]: There's no way, you know, to go back, yeah, can we, you know, it's disprobing almost, you know, like to see if there are limits to their friendship and if their friendship can be a semblance of what it used to be.
[UNKNOWN]: So I really love the scenes with them and their interactions because it's about so much more than what they're
[UNKNOWN]: and layered on top of, hey, like, tell me about your family because I need to kill them.
[UNKNOWN]: Right, right.
[UNKNOWN]: Although she does say, you know, you know, I wouldn't kill them.
[UNKNOWN]: I wouldn't have killed they run.
[UNKNOWN]: You know, she said that.
[UNKNOWN]: You know, so it's, you know, right now is, she's really trying, um, I think she's really trying to find a way
[UNKNOWN]: And I don't know if Alice is fully on board with trying to find a way back.
[UNKNOWN]: She's fully on board with helping her in what ways that she can.
[UNKNOWN]: But baby, that's how, maybe that's what she can give, you know?
[UNKNOWN]: Maybe that's what she can give.
[UNKNOWN]: I can give you information.
[UNKNOWN]: I won't try to harm you.
[UNKNOWN]: I'll even try to further your claim on the throne.
[UNKNOWN]: You know, she can't run any games on Reneera because Reneera knows her so well.
[UNKNOWN]: So if she was feeding her false information or showing a false face at all, I don't think Reneera would accept it.
[UNKNOWN]: I think she might hope pretty quickly.
[UNKNOWN]: And without giving Reneera a good information, like what is she trying to preserve her life
[UNKNOWN]: What's her name's life?
[UNKNOWN]: Um, Helena.
[UNKNOWN]: And Hoina's surviving child.
[UNKNOWN]: I forget which one it is.
[UNKNOWN]: Is it egg on the second?
[UNKNOWN]: No, wait, Jail.
[UNKNOWN]: Jailers.
[UNKNOWN]: Jailers or Jahaera?
[UNKNOWN]: Isn't it, isn't it?
[UNKNOWN]: Man, I can't say anything.
[UNKNOWN]: I can't do it.
[UNKNOWN]: I can't, it's too hard.
[UNKNOWN]: And then the yet unborn child.
[UNKNOWN]: which we learned about at the end.
[UNKNOWN]: Which is a surprise?
[UNKNOWN]: I wonder if that's a book thing.
[UNKNOWN]: This is a surprise to Mama.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, yeah, she pulls her thing.
[UNKNOWN]: She's like, that's great, great visual storytelling.
[UNKNOWN]: Perfect visual storytelling.
[UNKNOWN]: a mother knows her child, you know, Allison's given birth enough time as she understands what pregnancy does to the human body and suddenly to like have those changes present she detects it immediately.
[UNKNOWN]: Right.
[UNKNOWN]: Is that egg on, baby?
[UNKNOWN]: Is this the time line matchup?
[UNKNOWN]: I mean, could it be?
[UNKNOWN]: It could also be.
[UNKNOWN]: Does that have another brother?
[UNKNOWN]: I don't know.
[UNKNOWN]: I don't see her.
[UNKNOWN]: I don't know.
[UNKNOWN]: I mean, we all have needs, right?
[UNKNOWN]: You know, Mel's sister and the... No, I need.
[UNKNOWN]: It's not needs.
[UNKNOWN]: You know, not her needs.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, that's what I'm saying.
[UNKNOWN]: I don't know.
[UNKNOWN]: I don't know what, uh, I don't know what our needs are.
[UNKNOWN]: I don't know.
[UNKNOWN]: I don't know what, uh, either of our brothers.
[UNKNOWN]: That's for sure.
[UNKNOWN]: Mm-hmm.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: Um, we did see really quickly, uh, Allison picking her fingers a little bit, doing that sort of, uh, anxiety thing, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um um, um um, um um um um um um um um um um um um um um um um um um um um um um um um um um um um um um um um um um um um um um um um um um um um um um um um um um um um um um um um um um um um um um um um um um um um um um um um um um um um um um um um um um um um um um um um um um um um um
[UNKNOWN]: And we have the, you know, she doesn't, we don't know that she doesn't know yet that Helen is pregnant.
[UNKNOWN]: She's trying to borrow that woman.
[UNKNOWN]: Right, not in that moment, not in that moment.
[UNKNOWN]: and they were just talking about like, you know, sending your child away and that it was her choice to send Darron away.
[UNKNOWN]: They run.
[UNKNOWN]: Although she doesn't, Darron doesn't, but she doesn't know what fate that she's delivered him to.
[UNKNOWN]: Oh, God.
[UNKNOWN]: And she's so, she's like, I've been in one him to be a, a Targaryen, I'm one in him to be a high tower.
[UNKNOWN]: Oh, I do all it have mercy.
[UNKNOWN]: She poured, oh man, Allison has,
[UNKNOWN]: has not turned out well for Allison.
[UNKNOWN]: Look at how my other two sons were.
[UNKNOWN]: They're like, oh, gosh, oh, man.
[UNKNOWN]: Let me get them out of it.
[UNKNOWN]: I don't know away from these dark years.
[UNKNOWN]: Oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh,
[UNKNOWN]: No, her father.
[UNKNOWN]: Oh, auto.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: Oh, too, too, too, uh, ornament.
[UNKNOWN]: Yes, uh, the kind of man that or Yes, yes, yes, yes, yes.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, yeah, that's a good point.
[UNKNOWN]: Uh, he knows auto, auto would know that kind of stuff.
[UNKNOWN]: Unlike G Wayne, who seems pretty chill.
[UNKNOWN]: He's just a regular noble dude.
[UNKNOWN]: Uh, it's not quickly about Damon.
[UNKNOWN]: Um, he doesn't have a lot of good answers for the head that he brought in.
[UNKNOWN]: He didn't think through some of the more complicated aspects of like throwing a head up on the table.
[UNKNOWN]: Like it's a burnt head.
[UNKNOWN]: There you go.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, like good enough, right?
[UNKNOWN]: Who was he?
[UNKNOWN]: What blood did he have?
[UNKNOWN]: Oh, yeah, it was to happen so fast.
[UNKNOWN]: It's over.
[UNKNOWN]: That's what you wanted, right?
[UNKNOWN]: Come on.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, and he's hoping that she'll overlook, you know, in her fit of revenge, that she'll just be satisfied with that.
[UNKNOWN]: Right.
[UNKNOWN]: When no, she wanted to, she wanted something a little bit deeper, a little bit more.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, this is not good.
[UNKNOWN]: I'm.
[UNKNOWN]: But Damon's committing super duper treason.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, this is not good.
[UNKNOWN]: This is not good.
[UNKNOWN]: And what does he ask her, you want to punish him yourself?
[UNKNOWN]: You think that would end your grief?
[UNKNOWN]: Right.
[UNKNOWN]: That's true.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: And this goes back to what Allen says to Coralist, like, you know, your anger is not going to be quenched by at the point of a knife.
[UNKNOWN]: But it's also demon recognizing that if he would abhorne,
[UNKNOWN]: It's like in that moment, he's recognized in that.
[UNKNOWN]: Uh, do you think she would kill it?
[UNKNOWN]: Killer?
[UNKNOWN]: Do you think Reniro would kill her?
[UNKNOWN]: I think he thinks so.
[UNKNOWN]: I don't think Reniro would do it.
[UNKNOWN]: I think he thinks so.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, fair, fair.
[UNKNOWN]: I'm not, I, what's in his mind?
[UNKNOWN]: That's true.
[UNKNOWN]: They're all terrified of what mommy Queen is going to do, right?
[UNKNOWN]: And he finds out.
[UNKNOWN]: And you spilled the milk.
[UNKNOWN]: I think she might, because her son.
[UNKNOWN]: that person for the death of her son.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: But if he knew the circumstances, would she actually go through with it?
[UNKNOWN]: What's the circumstances that you got on a wild dragon and didn't know what the fuck you were doing and the equals to the demise of my son?
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: No.
[UNKNOWN]: I could see a world where she kills Ramah.
[UNKNOWN]: I don't know if I go down that road.
[UNKNOWN]: And then I love the closing line.
[UNKNOWN]: I suppose I should thank you for committing treason.
[UNKNOWN]: So let's take our last break and then we'll come back.
[UNKNOWN]: We'll talk a little bit about trouble.
[UNKNOWN]: Your favorite guy.
[UNKNOWN]: Tumbled down.
[UNKNOWN]: And we're back, trouble and tumble down.
[UNKNOWN]: Lord Arman Garrison's is army of 15,000 men in the town of tumble town.
[UNKNOWN]: Naturally there's conflict between the citizens and the quarter troops leading to a confrontation between cats, family, and some of the soldiers.
[UNKNOWN]: Later we learn that Armand is a member of the Christmas Adventure Club.
[UNKNOWN]: if you don't know mild spoiler for every battle what was it what was that one battle left one battle after another anyway it's a cipher for a super secret racist cipher how's that is that accurate description yeah definitely so i wanted to mention really quickly kind of like a tactical assessment of
[UNKNOWN]: garrisoning your army in tumble town, so you're using a human shield principle to stop your opposing air power from cooking your guys and wiping you out in a couple of quick sorties.
[UNKNOWN]: And you're hoping that your opponents, Reneera, is not a blood-thirty monster, and somebody like AEMAND who would just smoke the whole town.
[UNKNOWN]: But you're now in a difficult position because your forces are known in a fixed location, like we know where you are.
[UNKNOWN]: And we have a good sense of your size.
[UNKNOWN]: And you can't leave there.
[UNKNOWN]: Right, unless you have your own air power, and even if you have your own air power, that's going to be, that's like one B, what, three, you know, and if that gets taken out, then you know, you're, you're back in the same position.
[UNKNOWN]: So you're in a fixed position where everybody knows where you are.
[UNKNOWN]: For Renera and for the blacks, it's a strategy game on two fronts.
[UNKNOWN]: You could now hit the high towers in other locations where they're vulnerable.
[UNKNOWN]: You could send your dragons and start taking out garrisons in their rear.
[UNKNOWN]: You could take apart their supply lines.
[UNKNOWN]: You could take out the high tower HQ itself, right, in Old Town, right?
[UNKNOWN]: You could smoke that.
[UNKNOWN]: So, and he has no ability to move his forces to count to yours because the moment he leaves the town, right, you've got air superiority over him.
[UNKNOWN]: If he stays in town, then what you do is you put a ring of lightly armed troops.
[UNKNOWN]: You don't need a lot of troops to ring, you don't need to commit a lot of forces to this, but you basically put up a little cordon around the town.
[UNKNOWN]: And if he breaks out, fine, he breaks out, but he triggers the trip wire and then the dragon's come and, you know, if he breaks out in force, right?
[UNKNOWN]: And then that force is gonna get attacked by dragons.
[UNKNOWN]: If you try to sneak your guys out slowly, they're gonna get hung up in the picket line that's around the town.
[UNKNOWN]: So, if Reneer just takes a minute and plays some longer range strategy, Ormons in a terrible tactical position, as far as I can tell.
[UNKNOWN]: I am not an actually trained military strategist.
[UNKNOWN]: I've played a bunch of war games and tabletop games and whatnot.
[UNKNOWN]: That's my sense of it at this stage.
[UNKNOWN]: Ormons in a terrible position and Reneer just needs to be patient.
[UNKNOWN]: Okay.
[UNKNOWN]: She's got all the cards.
[UNKNOWN]: I can't say I disagree with that.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, like I was trying to, I was like trying to poke logic, poke holes in my logic last time and I couldn't think of anything.
[UNKNOWN]: I think the worst things you can do is send troops into the town.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, yeah, the worst thing, absolutely the worst thing.
[UNKNOWN]: that kind of street by street fighting?
[UNKNOWN]: No, that's, that's, lot of citizenry killed, lot of you're, you're going to grind, it's a meat grinder.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: And they have the tactical advantage because they've been able to set their defenses and you're going to have to go into them.
[UNKNOWN]: So they have the advantage of the position.
[UNKNOWN]: But on the bigger pictures, you just kind of wait them out.
[UNKNOWN]: And it's like if they were garrisoned in a castle, you just in a circle of castle and stop their ability from linking up with any other forces.
[UNKNOWN]: The real trick would be stopping any other forces joining them.
[UNKNOWN]: So.
[UNKNOWN]: But you had dragons so you can do that.
[UNKNOWN]: Exactly.
[UNKNOWN]: You have air superiority.
[UNKNOWN]: Um, you may very much thought about the third amendment watching these court.
[UNKNOWN]: These troops get quartered without permission of the landlords.
[UNKNOWN]: I was like, oh, isn't that nice when our 250th American birth dates?
[UNKNOWN]: A third amendment to the constitution, uh, the United States that you can't quarter troops without the, uh, owner's permission?
[UNKNOWN]: Um, what else?
[UNKNOWN]: I had a little joky thing here.
[UNKNOWN]: Norton, did you ever watch Rome?
[UNKNOWN]: I didn't watch Rome.
[UNKNOWN]: You remember the guy who played Mark Antony?
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: James, is it, don't know, is it James?
[UNKNOWN]: No, per foi.
[UNKNOWN]: What's this last first name?
[UNKNOWN]: I don't remember.
[UNKNOWN]: I could see his face, but I don't remember his first name.
[UNKNOWN]: Anyway, he's just giving me the same vibe.
[UNKNOWN]: Norton is James per foi, that's right.
[UNKNOWN]: He's just giving me the same vibes that Norton is doing for a woman getting out of the bathtub.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: So what's your read on on good lord, uh, arment?
[UNKNOWN]: Um, he's given, he's given, Christian coal, a run for his money.
[UNKNOWN]: He is definitely top three.
[UNKNOWN]: maybe top two of folks that I need to see demise before the end of the series.
[UNKNOWN]: Like I have to look at their cold dead eyes.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, like Reneer looking at the murder of Jason.
[UNKNOWN]: Yes.
[UNKNOWN]: Okay.
[UNKNOWN]: I got it.
[UNKNOWN]: I just want to make sure we're in the same.
[UNKNOWN]: Same reference.
[UNKNOWN]: Same frame.
[UNKNOWN]: I need to look at them.
[UNKNOWN]: And Armand is someone who is so terrible.
[UNKNOWN]: Can we talk about all this stuff now?
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: This is it.
[UNKNOWN]: Let loose.
[UNKNOWN]: Cook.
[UNKNOWN]: Get the stoves on the, on the, get the, the pans on the stove and The first thing was when a dayeron was called him sire.
[UNKNOWN]: Right.
[UNKNOWN]: Like.
[UNKNOWN]: Oh.
[UNKNOWN]: He let me sire, lured, but you're the crown prince, you know what I mean?
[UNKNOWN]: Like, you're the one.
[UNKNOWN]: It's not him.
[UNKNOWN]: And then that immediately let me know where they're at in their relationship.
[UNKNOWN]: And where they're at in their relationship is that,
[UNKNOWN]: they run has been abused, groomed, cowed, whatever you want to, whatever words we want to use to describe how an adult can terribly mistreat a child.
[UNKNOWN]: That is what we are witnessing for me.
[UNKNOWN]: And remember, Alice, it was like, he thinks he is superior to every, he thinks he's no, no, he's like, so we're dropping those clues, right?
[UNKNOWN]: Yes.
[UNKNOWN]: It's all there.
[UNKNOWN]: And I think that he beat the shit out of Dayron to get him to be the person that he wants him to be.
[UNKNOWN]: When he took that, when,
[UNKNOWN]: they're at the table and he gets the news right and they were on the accept at the the the messenger was like oh you just had a leaf leave that
[UNKNOWN]: right because he knew and then he looked at he like he's like what and then he glanced over at Norman's face and he knew because he had seen that before and he was like oh I'm out get I'm gone by he's seen it before and and I I believe he's been you know he he's felt it before
[UNKNOWN]: And that was so infuriating for me to watch and he takes that sword and he just starts whacking the table, whacking, whacking, whacking, whacking, whacking, whacking, whacking, whacking, whacking, whacking, whacking, whacking, whacking, whacking, whacking, whacking, whacking, whacking, whacking, whacking, whacking, whacking, whacking, whacking, whacking, whacking, whacking, whacking, whacking, whacking, whacking, whacking, whacking, whacking, whacking, whacking, whacking, whacking, whacking, whacking, whacking, whacking, whacking, whacking, whacking, whacking, whacking, whacking, whacking, whacking, whacking, whacking, whacking, whacking, whacking, whacking, whacking, whacking, whacking, whacking, whacking, whacking, whacking, whacking, whacking, whacking,
[UNKNOWN]: And I'm watching this, and I'm thinking, what was Deiron's life like?
[UNKNOWN]: What was his life like?
[UNKNOWN]: Growing up, away from his father, away from his mother, away from his brothers, his sister, stuck with this.
[UNKNOWN]: If Alice and all, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh
[UNKNOWN]: What is that going to do to her?
[UNKNOWN]: She already thinks that she's a terrible mother, right?
[UNKNOWN]: She already thinks she's a been a horrible parent.
[UNKNOWN]: What is that going to do to her?
[UNKNOWN]: Like that is some, that was some of the, and I didn't see, we didn't see any violence towards their own, anything like that.
[UNKNOWN]: It's all imagined in my mind what he went through, growing up with Omar.
[UNKNOWN]: And that is some scary shit, and that is a scary character to have when I have no evidence, no scene evidence.
[UNKNOWN]: that he's done terrible things to someone else, but yet I feel in in my bones that he has.
[UNKNOWN]: And Rockston was just chill.
[UNKNOWN]: He was just standing there all relaxed, and then once the episode was over, he just stands the chair back up and goes back.
[UNKNOWN]: And he's like, that means it's, it's Rockston who is is whatever primary night do there.
[UNKNOWN]: What does that tell us that this is expected and normal behavior for the land?
[UNKNOWN]: And he has seen this so much that he's just like, hey, whatever.
[UNKNOWN]: I'll just put the chair back.
[UNKNOWN]: I'll just pick up some pieces when it's all done.
[UNKNOWN]: And I know, because it's not directed to me.
[UNKNOWN]: I didn't bug up, so like, you know, I know he needs me.
[UNKNOWN]: You know, I'm ahead of a clan.
[UNKNOWN]: I'm one of his bander men, right?
[UNKNOWN]: He's not gonna, but,
[UNKNOWN]: But, Deiron, like, the way he, like, shrunk back, yeah, get out.
[UNKNOWN]: It was like, what?
[UNKNOWN]: That was like, wow, wow, this kid has been through it.
[UNKNOWN]: the psychological mess that he was having dored.
[UNKNOWN]: And then earlier when the, what's the, the Lord, Lord and Lady Futley are coming up with cats, brothers, family.
[UNKNOWN]: with uh... with uh... with the soldier what's his name uh... white group yeah garrick garrick of white grove yes is like a well you're gonna get gelled it in your arm broken and like you fuck up again and you know will kill you and you think oh dude's fair like look you know he's kind of a high whatever right
[UNKNOWN]: into like from a from a construction standpoint of an episode construction standpoint, it's so clever because they kind of hit the ball on us like, oh, you know, but if you go back to a previous scene, you can see
[UNKNOWN]: Ormans frustration bubbling just underneath the surface when they get the message when what is it more excuses from Baratheon.
[UNKNOWN]: When he drops a little funny line about like maybe you know, send him some pictures that he can understand like drawing crayon.
[UNKNOWN]: right, but you can see that he's starting to, he's starting to boil, all right, getting a little simmer on.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: So all episodes slowly, slowly, they've been giving us all these little clicks and things.
[UNKNOWN]: So then we get the outburst.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, we get what's really scary when he starts
[UNKNOWN]: a taint in your blood, you will restore our ancient order.
[UNKNOWN]: This is the language of supremacy, and it mirrors the septons language, yes.
[UNKNOWN]: The language of religion, using religion to control and manipulate and manage so that
[UNKNOWN]: be in charge.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: And he's a true believer.
[UNKNOWN]: 100%.
[UNKNOWN]: It's not even belief, it just is like it's right.
[UNKNOWN]: Yes, you know, yeah, we use the word belief, but man, it's like it's beyond.
[UNKNOWN]: This is life.
[UNKNOWN]: This is, this is real.
[UNKNOWN]: This is what it is.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: There is savage race, and we have to take back what's ours.
[UNKNOWN]: Like, what would you be without your dragons?
[UNKNOWN]: All right.
[UNKNOWN]: And what did the septons say they were, you know, profite their, they're, they're on these matches.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, and that's what I'm saying about you know, the church doesn't need to, the high towers don't need to control the church and the church doesn't need to control the high towers.
[UNKNOWN]: They are of singular purpose and separate entities, but singular purpose, which is that they are the superior race.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: The Targaryens are not from Westerners.
[UNKNOWN]: Mm-hmm.
[UNKNOWN]: And the high towers have a different opinion about who is in charge over here.
[UNKNOWN]: Right.
[UNKNOWN]: Who should be in charge?
[UNKNOWN]: Who should... And why?
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: And I love Tess.
[UNKNOWN]: Tess in that moment.
[UNKNOWN]: Again, I'll say it.
[UNKNOWN]: She sees through that shit.
[UNKNOWN]: Mm-hmm.
[UNKNOWN]: Let me burn him like one I will burn you and hey, they're on can I burn them please burn them let me burn them because You know dragons they Protective right yeah, yeah, and they feel that energy they're bonded yeah and his fear and his you know Is it's palatable?
[UNKNOWN]: you see it yeah right right yeah the energy's flowing back to the dragon yeah except um the dragon was like um are you gonna eat that there's a little bit hungry got me on a tune up in uh I need a snack no I can't get no sheep need to pour a four guy here let me pour cats brother oh man
[UNKNOWN]: It reminded me a little bit too of season one episode one of Game of Thrones when Ned does the beheading.
[UNKNOWN]: And it made me think of like, you know, Reneera, killing auto.
[UNKNOWN]: And just like a whole bunch of other scenes throughout both serieses.
[UNKNOWN]: But this idea of this, you, you've
[UNKNOWN]: you're going to partake in this sort of blood right almost in like killing people to prove, you know, to join in, you know, how do we really know, oh, you're an undercover cop here, taking token on this, you know, take a bump, right?
[UNKNOWN]: Oh, you're not a gummy brass kosher.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, exactly.
[UNKNOWN]: You're like, oh, you want to, you're, you're, you're a ruler.
[UNKNOWN]: You're going to bring us, you know, bring us back.
[UNKNOWN]: You're going to restore our glory.
[UNKNOWN]: But we got to know that you're for real.
[UNKNOWN]: So kill this poor bastard.
[UNKNOWN]: Oh, you know, you got to kill Otto, right?
[UNKNOWN]: You know, he's the stand-in for Egon, right?
[UNKNOWN]: You know, we don't have Egon.
[UNKNOWN]: So kind of kill him.
[UNKNOWN]: And then what's the bloody footsteps up to the throne?
[UNKNOWN]: So again, for me, it's all these meditations on power.
[UNKNOWN]: Like, you know, what are the trappings of power?
[UNKNOWN]: What are the rituals of power?
[UNKNOWN]: What are the, you know, what's the story that you have about power yourself?
[UNKNOWN]: Well, I killed that guy because he was a threat to us as high towers.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, we,
[UNKNOWN]: had to like deal with our own soldier, but that dude touched one of ours and that's in effect touching me.
[UNKNOWN]: So the ritual has to be that that guy's got to pay with his life.
[UNKNOWN]: And he who passes the sentence has to swing this order.
[UNKNOWN]: Right.
[UNKNOWN]: This is what Ned said and he's in one episode one.
[UNKNOWN]: But this is very different.
[UNKNOWN]: Right.
[UNKNOWN]: This is very different.
[UNKNOWN]: It's different right in terms of, but it's, it's
[UNKNOWN]: I understand where you were seeing it, but it's just like just the application of, it's just very different.
[UNKNOWN]: Because this, this motherfucker here is just like, you know, there's a woman on the throne.
[UNKNOWN]: He does it like that.
[UNKNOWN]: Just like the, the septon, you know what I mean?
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: just all all the all the stuff a woman with a dragon like that's a double right with a dragon just really really and he he wants I I think that hormone is looking at day on and saying once you're on the throne we're on the throne
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, yeah, yeah, all right, we're on the throne once you get once you once I get you there with with we're there The faith is there with her.
[UNKNOWN]: I'm there.
[UNKNOWN]: I'm making the calls This is what he's been you know telling this kid From for many years now Yeah, yeah, he's completely groomed, right?
[UNKNOWN]: Right.
[UNKNOWN]: I'm making the calls you they give the ritual nod right our Lord
[UNKNOWN]: after he kills him and they leave, right here, if you see there's a woman next to us, not 10 when the guards don't have her head.
[UNKNOWN]: But that's a, that's a ritualistic.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, that means nothing, it's, it's, it's theater means nothing.
[UNKNOWN]: So it's really amazing to watch, or mind in this role of caretaker, but caretaker of what?
[UNKNOWN]: not care, take off a child, care, take a power, well, he says, you know, you're going to restore our ancient order, our ancient order.
[UNKNOWN]: It's like that's mine.
[UNKNOWN]: That is my ancient order.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, you have a taint in your blood.
[UNKNOWN]: So we're going to use you, but it's not really yours because you're
[UNKNOWN]: And I can't just help, but be impacted by some of the modern circumstances around that, right?
[UNKNOWN]: And what we look at in modern 20th century history and how this sort of fanatical true belief of us versus them zero-some-been, right, does not have good outcomes, right?
[UNKNOWN]: It is a very bad set of outcomes because there's not reason you can't, you can't reason
[UNKNOWN]: No.
[UNKNOWN]: No
[UNKNOWN]: wanted to kill everybody like if you should let it kill everybody.
[UNKNOWN]: All right, anything else?
[UNKNOWN]: No, just yeah, this was a hell of an episode, right?
[UNKNOWN]: like very different in tone and pacing than last episode and in just designing construction, but there's a lot going on.
[UNKNOWN]: There's a lot of deep thought that has gone on into the plotting of this season.
[UNKNOWN]: And I think when we look back, we're just gonna go, oh, they were laying tracks all the way along.
[UNKNOWN]: Stuff that we don't even realize that, like I'm waiting for the towel, I mean, maybe the towel doesn't come back out, but I'm like waiting for that kind of stuff to pop up.
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[UNKNOWN]: Are you guys doing anything like that?
[UNKNOWN]: I think they're on.
[UNKNOWN]: We're gonna do a one shot once the season's over.
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[UNKNOWN]: The Empire list that looks like they're coming to the end.
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[UNKNOWN]: The coming up soon, super girl, you guys are gonna kick that to next week, so that'll be us soon.
[UNKNOWN]: We are just at the top of Saturday.
[UNKNOWN]: Are you in on Saturday yet?
[UNKNOWN]: I'm not.
[UNKNOWN]: I haven't watched the season yet.
[UNKNOWN]: Same.
[UNKNOWN]: Like, I don't know, like, this is weird, like having to stack shows up like this.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, I know, I know.
[UNKNOWN]: It's kind of rough on viewership.
[UNKNOWN]: I hope like the streamers, like, appreciate the fact that, like, we're trying to juggle a lot of cocked and y'all.
[UNKNOWN]: Thank God, we have a diverse bench on our team that can cover all of you.
[UNKNOWN]: Yes, absolutely.
[UNKNOWN]: And I stayed away from the feed because I don't want to be spoiled.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, right.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, because you're like that show.
[UNKNOWN]: You bet on that show.
[UNKNOWN]: I love that show.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: You gotta see what happens.
[UNKNOWN]: I saw I did see one or two cool still images.
[UNKNOWN]: I was like, oh, that looks interesting.
[UNKNOWN]: A little house in the prairie.
[UNKNOWN]: There's a little house in the prairie we make out.
[UNKNOWN]: That's gonna be a pass for me.
[UNKNOWN]: I'm not your show.
[UNKNOWN]: It's not, man.
[UNKNOWN]: No.
[UNKNOWN]: I'm not.
[UNKNOWN]: It's coming.
[UNKNOWN]: Oh.
[UNKNOWN]: Odyssey.
[UNKNOWN]: I don't know, John.
[UNKNOWN]: If you're listening to this far, I don't know if you're covering that.
[UNKNOWN]: A strange new world.
[UNKNOWN]: Search.
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[UNKNOWN]: I haven't caught up with them in a minute so I'm going to give them a howler and see what they're doing.
[UNKNOWN]: I know they've been doing some back catalog coverage stuff.
[UNKNOWN]: I see their podcast drop everyone's going to want.
[UNKNOWN]: And I know Ian and I and Zach from the Dune Minute podcast, we're going to talk about we were talking about some Star Trek 60th anniversary of the original series this year, so we'll see what happens.
[UNKNOWN]: Spider-Man brand new day.
[UNKNOWN]: You guys are going to cover that?
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[UNKNOWN]: Lay interns.
[UNKNOWN]: Hello.
[UNKNOWN]: Next month.
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[UNKNOWN]: Uh, what do you guys do?
[UNKNOWN]: Are you guys going to, uh, we haven't decided if we're going to do, um, episode episode, uh, it looks like it's really going to be good.
[UNKNOWN]: So we'll, stay tuned, stay tuned.
[UNKNOWN]: Okay.
[UNKNOWN]: So how's the dragon?
[UNKNOWN]: We'll overlap slightly.
[UNKNOWN]: Yes.
[UNKNOWN]: So we may have to, um, we have to juggle that a little bit.
[UNKNOWN]: I may have to, because I know, um,
[UNKNOWN]: uh, at least it will not be done with silence.
[UNKNOWN]: I know about a time that comes out now.
[UNKNOWN]: And she's doing like heavy cover.
[UNKNOWN]: She's doing book stuff.
[UNKNOWN]: She's doing show stuff like that's a, it's a, it's a, it's a, it's a, it's a, it's a, that's always, yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: So okay, we have to just talk about it.
[UNKNOWN]: And then of course Ted Lazo comes out right after that.
[UNKNOWN]: So I got to talk to John to see if he wants to cover the new season.
[UNKNOWN]: The final season.
[UNKNOWN]: Dude Apple TV's been killing it, man.
[UNKNOWN]: Apple TV is like where it's the new HBO.
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[UNKNOWN]: Oh, do you want to you woke up?
[UNKNOWN]: Oh yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: I lay that blur.
[UNKNOWN]: Just being in France, man.
[UNKNOWN]: That's going to be something.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: You know.
[UNKNOWN]: All right.
[UNKNOWN]: The not a fan of Spain.
[UNKNOWN]: Not a fan of Argentina.
[UNKNOWN]: Or England.
[UNKNOWN]: Are you an England fan?
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[UNKNOWN]: I rock with England.
[UNKNOWN]: You know.
[UNKNOWN]: Did the role hit the wire or not?
[UNKNOWN]: It did.
[UNKNOWN]: I didn't see it.
[UNKNOWN]: And I felt, I think I saw it, I think I saw it the way I think I saw it the way I do it.
[UNKNOWN]: Do they have sensors in those balls that I know?
[UNKNOWN]: I don't understand, this entire world cup, the officiating has been really terrible.
[UNKNOWN]: And so, I don't know what they're doing.
[UNKNOWN]: VAR, the ball sensor is everything has been just off, has been really bad.
[UNKNOWN]: Well, the fish, what are they, what's the line about the fish, stings at the head?
[UNKNOWN]: And finally, you know, it's definitely a fish, a stinky fish.
[UNKNOWN]: So yeah, like yeah, it's been a really compelling world cup so far.
[UNKNOWN]: And I think these next two games are going to be amazing.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: be pretty sweet.
[UNKNOWN]: Be pretty sweet.
[UNKNOWN]: And then we got next year we got the women in Brazil.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, well that's going to be equally as awesome.
[UNKNOWN]: I'm looking forward to that.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, definitely.
[UNKNOWN]: And unlike the men, I think Brazil might pull this one out.
[UNKNOWN]: the Brazilian Brazilian Brazil the team.
[UNKNOWN]: Yes, the Brazilian women's team got my pull out the World Cup next.
[UNKNOWN]: They might get the victory.
[UNKNOWN]: All right.
[UNKNOWN]: They've been playing, they've been really well playing well in the world stage.
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[UNKNOWN]: Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, that too.
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