[UNKNOWN]: Welcome to The Horror Hounds, a Lorhound's podcast.
[UNKNOWN]: I'm John Manicly pursuing failure.
[UNKNOWN]: And I'm Alicia emerging from the fog of vampiric love to discuss Montreal, season one episode six of the Vampireless Stat on AMC Plus, or season three episode six of Interview with the Vampire.
[UNKNOWN]: If you want again to contact with us, send an email to AskDannethelorhounds.com, or head to our Discord server from the link to the show notes for real-time conversation.
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[UNKNOWN]: Now,
[UNKNOWN]: We are going right into the episode.
[UNKNOWN]: We're going to be talking about all spoilers for the episode and anything that's happened in the book that's already happened in the show.
[UNKNOWN]: So anything like, you know, certain event happening, little different in the show.
[UNKNOWN]: We might pull from the book from there, but we won't spoil a spoil future book events.
[UNKNOWN]: And we may be spoiling some stuff from May Fair, which is this episode, so maybe what's that?
[UNKNOWN]: Or if you don't care about it and debatable whether you should care about it.
[UNKNOWN]: I don't know, can we really spoil it?
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, I don't know if you, yeah, I don't know.
[UNKNOWN]: I just say, Portland, I think Portland's your favorite character from that show, right?
[UNKNOWN]: He is my favorite character.
[UNKNOWN]: He's just very complicated, and I like that about him.
[UNKNOWN]: He's one of the more interesting may-fares.
[UNKNOWN]: But, uh, and he gets a name drop this episode, so it's happy about it.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, sure does.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: That's also where I want to say to be honest.
[UNKNOWN]: I mean, that would be a cool crossover.
[UNKNOWN]: But it would be a weird time to have that crossover just because of events that happened in that show in season too.
[UNKNOWN]: Right, right, now there'd have to be in the future.
[UNKNOWN]: But I mean, the American thing actually comes from a book in the vampire side of the series to be honest, so not technically a crossover I'm going to put out there.
[UNKNOWN]: Well, in that adaptation of a crossover,
[UNKNOWN]: Right.
[UNKNOWN]: I mean, because her last name is May Fair, but yeah, yeah, I wonder if we'll see her on the May Fair which is in the future of the pickle.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, I was trying to remember if we've seen her because you do meet a lot of the cousins and like a, you know, a passing moment.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: So I was trying to remember.
[UNKNOWN]: I could not remember what they're not, but I've also not carefully watch that show so we made of it.
[UNKNOWN]: I just don't remember.
[UNKNOWN]: So, um, yeah, let's get right into it.
[UNKNOWN]: There is going to be a post credits inside the coffin book spoiler section, but for now, you are safe without the book spoilers.
[UNKNOWN]: We have some feedback from Pirates, so do you want to get right into it?
[UNKNOWN]: Yes, so I think the first one actually is someone most familiar to you.
[UNKNOWN]: Do you want to read that one?
[UNKNOWN]: Sure, yes, Sarah Z.
[UNKNOWN]: Back again from the Triage Center.
[UNKNOWN]: Hello again, from the former pit, chief medical correspondent, Hello Sarah.
[UNKNOWN]: It's lovely to hear from you.
[UNKNOWN]: I heard a medical question asked on this week's Vampire LaSotte podcast and yes, I love this show too.
[UNKNOWN]: Parkinson's disease currently has no cure, and is primarily treated with medications aimed at controlling symptoms, muscle stiffness, tremors, etc.
[UNKNOWN]: I did however do a quick bit of research on clinical studies being done in the area of Parkinson's and noted a handful of studies looking at monoclonal antibodies and their use in destroying the protein thought to be responsible for the disease.
[UNKNOWN]: Most of these studies are in phase one or two of clinical trials at the time.
[UNKNOWN]: So maybe Dr. Fareed is doing his own research with Daniel and the trial subject.
[UNKNOWN]: It's not impossible.
[UNKNOWN]: Very like Dr. Fareed to be honest.
[UNKNOWN]: Love listening to your takes on the show and just everything about interview with the vampire of the vampire list.
[UNKNOWN]: May fair, which is can go.
[UNKNOWN]: All right.
[UNKNOWN]: We're tossing it out there.
[UNKNOWN]: Shots fired.
[UNKNOWN]: Thanks for continuing to be part of my nerd herd.
[UNKNOWN]: And thank you, Sarah.
[UNKNOWN]: The new chief vampire medical correspondent, Sarah Z.
[UNKNOWN]: Yes, and now Sarah, how about be headaches?
[UNKNOWN]: No, I'm just kidding.
[UNKNOWN]: What's the longest someone has survived after being ahead?
[UNKNOWN]: Oh.
[UNKNOWN]: We also heard from Lorax, who said Alicia grew up in Northeast PA and went to college in Filly University of the sciences, which, by the way, is right next to where I went to college, also in University City.
[UNKNOWN]: Um, I totally missed the Walnut Street sign, but we'll rewatch because yeah, they're Walnut Street sign popped up during, uh, episode four in the Devil's minion thing on, you know, when, uh, when Daniel confronts our mom on the street after the big boss thing.
[UNKNOWN]: My favorite band from Philly is The Hooters.
[UNKNOWN]: They opened a live in 1989.
[UNKNOWN]: I spent more time with the clubs in the 80s and studying.
[UNKNOWN]: I like how the show is trying to capture the feel of a band in the 80s.
[UNKNOWN]: I so enjoy this podcast and both you take on everything.
[UNKNOWN]: Thank you, and I agree with the acting and dialogue of superb Laroxids.
[UNKNOWN]: Um, yeah, no, I really like that too how they are, I mean, because obviously, so the book is set in the 80s and this is set today, but they really managed to grab that 80s vibe and make it work for today.
[UNKNOWN]: You know, where the songs feel inspired by the 80s, but current in the vibes as well.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, there is a whole thing that happened, I want to say like five to 10 years ago where there was this 80s revival artists.
[UNKNOWN]: And I think the killers were kind of part of that for a little bit.
[UNKNOWN]: Hmm, I kill this is one of my favorite bands to be honest.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, they're great and they did now them a few years ago that was very much 80s revival.
[UNKNOWN]: I think towards the end of their original run, I don't know if they were really stopped.
[UNKNOWN]: But you know, their original wave of popularity, they were getting into more of an 80s vibe too.
[UNKNOWN]: So it's certainly a thing that's around.
[UNKNOWN]: It's not like unique to list that.
[UNKNOWN]: No, but I wonder what we're not hearing from our vampires.
[UNKNOWN]: True.
[UNKNOWN]: They're not for our ears.
[UNKNOWN]: Speaking of our ears, it's actually really cool that the members of the band have been more involved than we might realize.
[UNKNOWN]: We talked about Ryan Katner, and I think this is what inspired LaRox's feedback,
[UNKNOWN]: And that's the actor who plays Salamander, but he's also in the writing room.
[UNKNOWN]: There's a music supervisor on the show during all sorts of stuff.
[UNKNOWN]: Obviously, Daniel Hart is writing pretty much all.
[UNKNOWN]: Most of the music, almost all the music for this show, and is also in the writer's room this season, and Daniel Hart and Ryan Katner.
[UNKNOWN]: Also, I believe they had writing credits on episodes four and five respectively, if I remember correctly.
[UNKNOWN]: And then Sarah Swire, who plays TC, apparently she actually learned the drums for this role.
[UNKNOWN]: Like, we need a drummer.
[UNKNOWN]: We know we want to have this group here.
[UNKNOWN]: So either Ryan Katner, Sarah Swire, one of you has to learn the drums.
[UNKNOWN]: And when they gave them both a chance, they're like, it's Sarah.
[UNKNOWN]: No, it's definitely Sarah.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, it's her.
[UNKNOWN]: So she said she's taking a life skill with her out of this, um, but she also did the backing vocals on a lot of things like, um, like, stinger size.
[UNKNOWN]: Oh, yeah, that's super cool.
[UNKNOWN]: I'm glad that everybody's getting involved, everyone's, it sounds like you're right.
[UNKNOWN]: They're much more involved than we expected them to be.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, it's, yeah, it just seems like whenever you see them and I love watching interviews of this cast and crew together because you can just tell how close they all got in this whole process and it just seems like they had a lot of fun but also just everyone puts their everything in but they all care about it on the creative and intellectual level.
[UNKNOWN]: So it shows in my
[UNKNOWN]: Do you think that this show is hitting the cultural zeitgeist now because, I don't know about you, but on my video feed, there is now a lot of people reciting Akasha's affirmations, it's like a modern affirmation, and I love it, it's so funny.
[UNKNOWN]: I do think that there's there seems to be a lot of lively conversation about the show.
[UNKNOWN]: So I do think that it's hitting more mainstream than, yeah, I mean obviously we hope for that because we wanted to continue and as we've discussed previously it certainly looks like it will, at least for season four and now it sounds like they're already talking about season five too.
[UNKNOWN]: And I just, I do notice when I go in social media, there is a lot of chatter about it.
[UNKNOWN]: There's a lot of people covering it and recap videos and podcasts and things like that.
[UNKNOWN]: So I think, yeah, I think it has hit the cultural zeitgeist.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: Because I think it is the answer.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, that rolled out at the end.
[UNKNOWN]: You're like, I should have that clip to Maya who's not really watching right now.
[UNKNOWN]: And as soon as she did the, my, my, what, oh.
[UNKNOWN]: I can't watch that without getting chills, yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: and people have been really breaking down like someone I put I linked in in our discord chat for I guess episode five someone did a Reddit post where they really broke down everything they mapped out her whole speech alongside the things that last thought and Marius were saying the same times and how they overlapped thematically and the visual things that were going on just really impressive work.
[UNKNOWN]: But he was up there for three days, so we had a lot of times in three days.
[UNKNOWN]: that was another one of the the Meevenbola stop moments right like that's going to be in the compilation of I've been up here for three days Speaking of timelines and doing the work to put it all together I have to shout out that Corey from the interview vampire subreddit wrote another blog post for us called the Queen Awakens great conversion timeline so you can find this on the lorehounds.com blog
[UNKNOWN]: And it goes through really nicely pieces together.
[UNKNOWN]: The timeline of events, including, you know, the things we learned from Marius in this past episode and including things we learned from the telemaska show.
[UNKNOWN]: And then laying out the why and the where it's probably going from here, including why Gabriella is so into this and why, yeah, the whole omel thing.
[UNKNOWN]: So light book spoilers there on the omel regardless.
[UNKNOWN]: If you're curious about that, I recommend checking it out.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, and I would recommend it.
[UNKNOWN]: It's very good.
[UNKNOWN]: There are questions over whether me inquiry with the same person who exercise such allegations.
[UNKNOWN]: However,
[UNKNOWN]: I am equally attracted to the start.
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[UNKNOWN]: I thought it was fantastic.
[UNKNOWN]: I mean, I would say if you're not in a good head space, we'd tell tomorrow to watch it because it's like,
[UNKNOWN]: You know all the other episodes had a mix of like really heartbreaking stuff, but also really funny and happy stuff And there's some laughs in here, but this was the episode that made me like go wide I like oh my god So like I was in the middle of watching this and outlining it and my I came into the room to ask me a question And I she was like are you okay because I was just like
[UNKNOWN]: like my face was just like I looked like somebody just like shouted my face because Claudia did.
[UNKNOWN]: Right.
[UNKNOWN]: It was so much.
[UNKNOWN]: It was a lot to handle, but it was it was so well done.
[UNKNOWN]: I mean, what an incredible performance.
[UNKNOWN]: The accent work was, you know, maybe my biggest criticism of this episode.
[UNKNOWN]: which was weird because Delaney did a good job in season two as far as I thought, but maybe I'm just listening for it more than I know that she's actually British, but man, that Claudia monologue sounded half British to me the entire time.
[UNKNOWN]: Don't really, okay, I didn't rev up against that as much.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, that's my biggest criticism, because the episode was so good and performance was incredible overall.
[UNKNOWN]: You know, the her getting breaking out of the circle and really just, you know, the the attention to detail having her ankles still be slit so that you couldn't run away.
[UNKNOWN]: the, um, you know, the comedy within Louis and let's start together.
[UNKNOWN]: Even even when they're just completely, you know, taking it back, pay everything that Claudia said, uh, Louis going like, I guess that puts an end to that.
[UNKNOWN]: So good.
[UNKNOWN]: I think this show does the perfect balance
[UNKNOWN]: Right.
[UNKNOWN]: And really grounded human drama, even then in Paris.
[UNKNOWN]: What about you?
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, I really like this.
[UNKNOWN]: I'm not a lot of people are calling it their favorite of the season.
[UNKNOWN]: I'm still going to stick with three and five as my tops, but this was an incredible hour of television again.
[UNKNOWN]: I'll say this is probably the only one I've only watched twice before recording.
[UNKNOWN]: And I guess, well, part of it is just has to do with, you know, having had a very busy week, but also just the, yeah,
[UNKNOWN]: emotional happiness of it and also part of it is also that it's a more straightforward episode I didn't you know didn't need as much it's not jumping around so much there's not a lot of flashing memories or anything like that.
[UNKNOWN]: And it just speaks right to like this emotional core of this relationship and that's yeah, I got I got it.
[UNKNOWN]: I really got it.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, um, and yeah, but it was I was glad because of the Claudia stuff.
[UNKNOWN]: I was glad that we had a week in between that stained glass eyes emotional moment and this sort of clap back against that.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: Um, certainly, I think that the showrunners went, oh, you were starting to feel badly for Claudia again.
[UNKNOWN]: Let's pull that back a little.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: Well, yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: I mean, I don't know because the one thing that really made me cry this episode perhaps is maybe not the other.
[UNKNOWN]: But the thing that made me the most emotional was her yelling about Madeline, Madeline.
[UNKNOWN]: Yes.
[UNKNOWN]: And I think it's true.
[UNKNOWN]: And this should as a good job of this of like you can be both the victim and perpetrator in this world.
[UNKNOWN]: And that's realistic to the real world.
[UNKNOWN]: I think we've seen the victim version of Claudia a lot this season.
[UNKNOWN]: I don't think that we have seen the perpetrator version as much and here we have.
[UNKNOWN]: Especially, you know, lying about let's start and causing them to get killed.
[UNKNOWN]: Right.
[UNKNOWN]: I mean, this is at the end of the day, like Louie can romanticize her as his daughter.
[UNKNOWN]: All he wants, but at the end of the day, this is the girl who, you know, would chop off a woman's breast to keep as a trophy after murdering her.
[UNKNOWN]: Like, I'm very, like, one of perhaps in some ways even more blood Thursday than less thought.
[UNKNOWN]: Absolutely.
[UNKNOWN]: No, I definitely think so because she had that
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, yeah, um, but say yeah, obviously the loose stat high is over the moon about, you know, just I'm sure I'm sure I'm sure I bet it's a very romantic episode poor Lemuel
[UNKNOWN]: But I think what really obviously, again, it's like they do the lighter more tender moments so well, but what you walk away with what really sticks in in your cause you walk away is the emotional moments and, you know,
[UNKNOWN]: previously in this season, they did one of the best representations of talking about sexual assault.
[UNKNOWN]: And now we see one of the best representations of a panic attack that I've ever seen on television.
[UNKNOWN]: And I've seen, I know a lot of other people are connecting with that as well.
[UNKNOWN]: yeah just showing let's not dealing with reality crashing down physically how it physically affects him in addition to you know the the panic of of trying to push it off and accepted and you know yeah yeah I think let's thought to is confronting perhaps he was groomed a bit
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, maybe I won't, but, and as far as the ending, you know, I'm not going to pretend for a second that I think they're dead obviously.
[UNKNOWN]: No, they're not dead.
[UNKNOWN]: I mean, we had Dr. Friede, laid out for us earlier in the season that vampires can survive some hours, especially those with the blood of a caustia can survive some hours.
[UNKNOWN]: We've got that again this episode, it really got me.
[UNKNOWN]: He's like, but I have the ballad of Akasha and Luis like, it's not the blood.
[UNKNOWN]: It's what you do with it.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: I love, I just love that it's a recurring trope in this show now, but like somebody says something profound to list out if he just laughs in their face.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: But it's, yeah, as far as like the Armand Defense League listen.
[UNKNOWN]: Murder Pugui always has a reason or 20.
[UNKNOWN]: Give him five lashings for each of the laws.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, I mean, basically, we'll get to it later, but the whole episode, people keep talking about how this concert is going to bring on the apocalypse.
[UNKNOWN]: So...
[UNKNOWN]: I don't think that he really wanted them dead.
[UNKNOWN]: I don't think he or Daniel really wanted them dead.
[UNKNOWN]: I think they, it's kind of misleading when they walk away.
[UNKNOWN]: They end that they might be leaving their heads there.
[UNKNOWN]: I don't think that's what's happened.
[UNKNOWN]: We'll see if I might be proven wrong.
[UNKNOWN]: Nobody's seen the finale outside like the show team.
[UNKNOWN]: But I don't think that's a good idea.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, I can see wanting to stop the concert, and I do part of me wonder is like, oh, are we actually not going to see the concert because that would be extremely expensive to film?
[UNKNOWN]: Oh Maybe maybe that's a truth.
[UNKNOWN]: I don't know.
[UNKNOWN]: I really would like to see the concert I know what we got in 50,000 50,000 vampires I don't know well you could see GI that Not cheap, yeah, you get you get a good couple hundred in there and you'll be fine
[UNKNOWN]: We'll see.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: We'll see what happens next week.
[UNKNOWN]: Um, I, it's, it's killing me that I can't, uh, when we're done with this.
[UNKNOWN]: Just finished the finale.
[UNKNOWN]: Well, that's one thing we should say.
[UNKNOWN]: We don't have a screener for the finale.
[UNKNOWN]: We don't know if we're going to get it before the finale.
[UNKNOWN]: So we will probably be a day or two later with the finale coverage.
[UNKNOWN]: We'll say.
[UNKNOWN]: Mm-hmm.
[UNKNOWN]: Say.
[UNKNOWN]: All right.
[UNKNOWN]: Well, shall we get right into the episode then?
[UNKNOWN]: We got plenty to cover.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: Let's do it.
[UNKNOWN]: All right.
[UNKNOWN]: So we're back in Montreal.
[UNKNOWN]: Or I don't even know how Listop pronounced it, I'm not even going to try.
[UNKNOWN]: Mm-hmm, that's real.
[UNKNOWN]: It's Halloween again.
[UNKNOWN]: And Listop prepares new identities before 50,000 vampires descend on Montreal to hear his music, which only appeals to vampires.
[UNKNOWN]: Pittsburgh gave it a 3 out of 10, of course.
[UNKNOWN]: Having spent the night in Lestat's coffin, Louis, a company is Lestat to see the witch Merrick May Fair, but not before dinner with a sassy Daniel.
[UNKNOWN]: Daniel tries to get an end to his biography, but fishes for information about the fog of empiric love and perhaps the true relationship between Lestat and Sophia.
[UNKNOWN]: The vampire's drink of vintage of Lyoncore blood and Daniel announces his new relationship.
[UNKNOWN]: So, um, first of all, can we just say that let's start in Cortland or in a bookbump?
[UNKNOWN]: Where's that flashback?
[UNKNOWN]: They didn't want to hire that actor for the day.
[UNKNOWN]: Um, yes.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, her maybe, uh, which her name's Spalding didn't want to, you didn't want to lend them out.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, so we found out it's Lestock, Cortland, Merrick, and then he said, Marinagan and James Carville, and so these are two real-world references, the other one, Ray Nagan.
[UNKNOWN]: the mayor.
[UNKNOWN]: He was the mayor from 2002 to 2010 of New Orleans.
[UNKNOWN]: Of course.
[UNKNOWN]: And he ran the city.
[UNKNOWN]: He's famous for running the city during the Katrina disaster, or as many would say, misrunning the city during the Katrina disaster.
[UNKNOWN]: And then probably even more famous for later being indicted on 21 charges of bribery, kickback schemes, money laundering, and other
[UNKNOWN]: really flaggering.
[UNKNOWN]: So if you feel free to look him up, Ray Nagan.
[UNKNOWN]: So it's funny.
[UNKNOWN]: He's in the book club, but the one that Lestat says everybody hated is James Carville, who you might have heard of referred to as the Raging Cajun.
[UNKNOWN]: He's a Democratic, he's a strategy.
[UNKNOWN]: This is the one that was married to the Republican strategist, and that was like a whole
[UNKNOWN]: Right.
[UNKNOWN]: So he helped Bill Clinton win and he was a strategist for a bunch of other campaigns and now he's like a pun in this is the economy is it's the economy stupid guy was that him maybe me I think that's him, but the thing is like yeah, let's that says everybody hated him, but he's by far the least controversial person that he named at this book Yeah, that's pretty funny
[UNKNOWN]: Um, I have a question.
[UNKNOWN]: So they said he said we read your memoir, presumably in the book club, but didn't the book interview the vampire not come out until the start was already in Montreal.
[UNKNOWN]: Hmm.
[UNKNOWN]: I wonder if there was another memoir.
[UNKNOWN]: Maybe there was, um,
[UNKNOWN]: I don't know.
[UNKNOWN]: I think it must have been this.
[UNKNOWN]: I don't know.
[UNKNOWN]: But then it was funny said everybody loved Tom Anderson who that was the one who was the politician who is kind of nicer to them than the other politicians in New Orleans in the 1910s.
[UNKNOWN]: But and he's the one who Louis and Lestat said they'll get him a boat if he gets Lestat named King of
[UNKNOWN]: he said during that like let's not like I want to be king of martygron tombs like ha ha him and because of that let's not killed him during their little murder party after martygron and that's he's the one that Claudia poisoned so that let's not would drink that poison knowing that he would be petty and go after him.
[UNKNOWN]: Oh, interesting.
[UNKNOWN]: and then there's a reference to people love the way he said the line at one point to pick up.
[UNKNOWN]: This isn't to pick up.
[UNKNOWN]: Let's not say I said that.
[UNKNOWN]: But not like that, I'm sure.
[UNKNOWN]: Right.
[UNKNOWN]: That's pretty funny.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: Good call back.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, I loved the way this opens, where, you know, he wakes up and he calls Montreal his halfway home and the intersection of his many selves.
[UNKNOWN]: Stutterer, ape, actor, keeper, tourist, reckless, rock star, nesting doll of identities.
[UNKNOWN]: But then he says, I was coming out of a coma, feeling alive, or maybe it was him.
[UNKNOWN]: And then Louis walks in the room and the entire world goes, oh, the bang.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, well, just to just to be clear or fanging.
[UNKNOWN]: I'm sorry, but he's a question.
[UNKNOWN]: So he he talks about this.
[UNKNOWN]: This coffin and Louis didn't sleep in this hastens coffin with hastens bedding brand, by the way.
[UNKNOWN]: But does that mean like what's Louis supposed to sleep in the stats coffin with him or he bought a whole other coffin for Louis?
[UNKNOWN]: Oh, I think it's a I think he got him a vintage coffin.
[UNKNOWN]: It's the guest bed.
[UNKNOWN]: You know, you have to have a guest bed.
[UNKNOWN]: Mm-hmm.
[UNKNOWN]: I mean, you don't have to, but it seems like let's start the kind of person who likes to entertain.
[UNKNOWN]: He's got a guest bed.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, but I think he wants to entertain Louie in his bed bit, but yeah, I also had clocked on the voice mail, so there was the voice mail from Mary Rick, he listened to, which is obviously Merrick, we also see calls coming in from Twa, which we know is Gabriella, and then also Louis, which means, I mean,
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, it sounds like Louis, but it means him.
[UNKNOWN]: So I'm pretty sure it's Louis.
[UNKNOWN]: Louis.
[UNKNOWN]: Oh, cute.
[UNKNOWN]: And private.
[UNKNOWN]: I'm like, who's called?
[UNKNOWN]: Who's the private calls?
[UNKNOWN]: Is that going to be a thing?
[UNKNOWN]: That's a good question.
[UNKNOWN]: Is that going to be a thing?
[UNKNOWN]: Hmm.
[UNKNOWN]: other question about is it going to be a thing?
[UNKNOWN]: We get caught up on the friday a thing.
[UNKNOWN]: It's been apparently months since Lestat went to see her in the diner.
[UNKNOWN]: And Louis has quote unquote done his best to stay clear of her venn mode her once.
[UNKNOWN]: And I don't know if that's the initial 500k or since city blocks her number.
[UNKNOWN]: But then she called him from a different number and he picked up.
[UNKNOWN]: So I have a feeling we might not be done with friday.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, we all definitely will talk about some theory theorization about that going on in the inside of the coffin segment.
[UNKNOWN]: It turns out she was just like in a costume for the sounds, that was her.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: No, I don't think so.
[UNKNOWN]: That was Claudia.
[UNKNOWN]: Well, what's interesting?
[UNKNOWN]: He said that Louis called Merrick the worst kind of witch.
[UNKNOWN]: Do you think that means a may fair?
[UNKNOWN]: Ooh.
[UNKNOWN]: Like, say, I don't see witches, like those who, those who deal with the dead.
[UNKNOWN]: Maybe, hmm, I don't know.
[UNKNOWN]: I'm just going for it here, you know?
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, because well, the stots like she's different her and her uncle, Cortland, which is why I was like, oh, maybe they're saying different than the other May fairs.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: Oh, yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: That could be too.
[UNKNOWN]: Okay.
[UNKNOWN]: All right.
[UNKNOWN]: I'm into it.
[UNKNOWN]: I think it is Mayfair.
[UNKNOWN]: They don't like the Mayfair's.
[UNKNOWN]: Do you think we'll stop knows about the telto stuff?
[UNKNOWN]: Because I think the Mayfair's are the only which is involved with like a demi-god.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, I don't know.
[UNKNOWN]: I don't know, but Louis and his family, like, remember even in the first season when Louis's sister was going to get married and they're like, oh, you're going to, uh, uh, they talked about jumping the broom, which is a wedding tradition, and they're like, oh, like, I'm like the May fairs or something like that.
[UNKNOWN]: Oh, I didn't remember that.
[UNKNOWN]: I wasn't, I was not much aware of the May fairs at that point, because I was not going to watch May fair, which is until later.
[UNKNOWN]: Right, right, why guess did it exist when you watched the first season?
[UNKNOWN]: I don't know.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, I think I think it did actually.
[UNKNOWN]: Okay, yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: Why just rewatched it recently?
[UNKNOWN]: Um, oh.
[UNKNOWN]: Did you enjoy it?
[UNKNOWN]: the the first season of if interview the vampire me.
[UNKNOWN]: Oh, okay.
[UNKNOWN]: Sorry.
[UNKNOWN]: So you're like, I'm not going to read for what I will.
[UNKNOWN]: I will.
[UNKNOWN]: Actually, so what I'm doing?
[UNKNOWN]: I'm rereading the vampire books now and then when I get to, I forget.
[UNKNOWN]: I laid out a track for myself and at some point I'm going to sidestep and I haven't reread the May Fair which is books since they came out in the 90s.
[UNKNOWN]: You know, since I was a teenager, basically, or you know, after they came out.
[UNKNOWN]: So I'm going to finally reread them and then rewatch the show, which probably is a bad idea doing in that order, but that's something I want to do.
[UNKNOWN]: Well, you got to make your own mistakes, you know?
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: And then later you can have a say-outs to see, you know, well, never run.
[UNKNOWN]: Now, I'd like to read the books at some point too, because I think the bones of a good story are there.
[UNKNOWN]: Honestly, I'm talking a lot of smack about the May Fair which I show, but I enjoyed season 2.
[UNKNOWN]: It was not nearly as good as in every with the vampire, but it wasn't really fun story.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, and I heard there was an interview recently with Mark Johnson, who's the, he's the producer, who's in charge of like the overarking.
[UNKNOWN]: You know, I'm sorry, Anne Rice and mortal.
[UNKNOWN]: That's what they call it on AMC.
[UNKNOWN]: So all of the shows together.
[UNKNOWN]: And he was saying that May Fair, which is season three, he's particularly excited about and things that will be better received.
[UNKNOWN]: He basically said in different words.
[UNKNOWN]: He didn't call it like almost every boop, but something along those lines where and he's I think the idea is that they are maybe I don't know maybe but taking bigger swings or something that I don't know that that's what was missing per se No, I don't think so either.
[UNKNOWN]: I think it was more
[UNKNOWN]: Oh, let's not talk too much back.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: Let's not too much back.
[UNKNOWN]: Talk too much back.
[UNKNOWN]: Let's get right back to our show that we really love.
[UNKNOWN]: Just as Fatala Masca, anyway.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, so, let's not, it's not the one who, like, he's putting all of his ducks in a row.
[UNKNOWN]: He wanted to do the dinner with Dan.
[UNKNOWN]: I think Causey feels bad about the way he treated him.
[UNKNOWN]: He's the one who reached out to Mary May Fair because he wants to help Louie find closure that's healthier than the Fraudia angle.
[UNKNOWN]: Um, somebody's gotta help him.
[UNKNOWN]: My god.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, and and Louis has these are all a bad ideas.
[UNKNOWN]: That's canceled all and of course they don't, but I love I love Louis.
[UNKNOWN]: Thoughts for Spons because it's Halloween.
[UNKNOWN]: He said, let's stay inside and answer the begging doorbell.
[UNKNOWN]: I'll trick her trick her trick her trick her trick her trick her trick her trick her trick her trick her trick her trick her trick her trick her trick her trick her trick her trick her trick her trick her trick her trick her trick her trick her trick her trick her trick her trick her trick her trick her trick her trick her trick her trick her trick her trick her trick her trick her trick her trick her trick her trick her trick her trick her trick her trick her trick her trick her trick her trick her trick her trick her trick her trick her trick her trick her trick her trick her trick her trick her trick her trick her trick her trick her trick her trick her trick her trick her trick her trick her trick her trick her trick her trick
[UNKNOWN]: uh... you know answering the doorbell for holoeners players holoeners i love i love that he's like really into holoenie also where's it he i mean yeah so they said they're doing the concert the concert does take place on holoenie in the book uh... we said they're doing it that week to allow like all the visiting vampires to blend in and he he's like into all the traditions he puts a sign in the door says uh... preneal on
[UNKNOWN]: Oh, so mom.
[UNKNOWN]: So all we just like only take one please.
[UNKNOWN]: Um, actually doesn't even say please.
[UNKNOWN]: This is only take one.
[UNKNOWN]: Um, which obviously a full proof plan always.
[UNKNOWN]: But it was just like it really opened the episode like with this charming music and like these slow fades.
[UNKNOWN]: It was like this very cozy Halloween special opening and a nice contrast with that.
[UNKNOWN]: opening Halloween.
[UNKNOWN]: He was confronted during that opening Halloween after the book came out with all these people dressed as like his exes and stuff.
[UNKNOWN]: And this time, now that he has made a name for himself, there was actually a kid walking around dresses.
[UNKNOWN]: Let's stop this time.
[UNKNOWN]: So I did notice that that's really cute.
[UNKNOWN]: And of course he's the grim reaper because he's like
[UNKNOWN]: And of course, they get the flyers make more make more there's make more make more people are Chanting on the one hand and somebody else is like obey the five laws and handing out flyers So I still think team pink versus team green is on it's poster theory is in effect Very possible and I will say we know that was stopped did not turn Alex because he can be tell a path ago with him.
[UNKNOWN]: I wonder
[UNKNOWN]: Why is it is, yeah, Gabriella did, I wonder why Alex is just so freaking mad at Lestat when he can read in his mind that he had nothing to do with it and he should be able to read in I guess no because didn't it take didn't take Louis a long time
[UNKNOWN]: Louie, Louie wasn't great at it and Alex is learning from Armand who's the best at it.
[UNKNOWN]: So I think that Alex is totally under the thrall of Armand and whatever Armand tells him to think at this point.
[UNKNOWN]: And as
[UNKNOWN]: as, uh, let's stop points out.
[UNKNOWN]: At this point, Larry's quote-unquote suicide was still mysterious.
[UNKNOWN]: So I think, from Alex's perspective, he just looks at Lestad and, and it's, it doesn't matter that Lestad didn't want Larry to die.
[UNKNOWN]: He bullied him and then he appeared to have killed himself.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: So now Alex is sighting with the guy who did it.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, it's kind of crazy like I just wonder if is is our mind just that good at keeping people out of his head maybe Yeah, I remember there was something is the best at it.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, yeah, there was something.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, that's what I was saying is like Yeah, I think there was a scene where Lestat like still pretty pretty new is being a vampire is like getting manipulated by our mom because he's trying to get into our mom's head And we're on like
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: He's a grandma.
[UNKNOWN]: He's very good at being a grandma.
[UNKNOWN]: He's a brain grandma.
[UNKNOWN]: Yep.
[UNKNOWN]: I thought it was interesting, we'll talk about this more obviously later, but Lestot calls the concert, Lestot's final gift to the Vampirous Gabriella, obligations met good luck and fuck off everyone everywhere.
[UNKNOWN]: So it seems like even at the start of this episode before the video leak, he's like, that situation's bad and I'm done with it.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, I think he does realize that it's manipulative for sure.
[UNKNOWN]: I mean, she's, she's not good to him at all.
[UNKNOWN]: We all know that and I think he's seeing that now.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: I don't know.
[UNKNOWN]: Maybe, you know, sometimes there was time at your mother episode where like when someone pointed something out to you, you heard glass shattering and you're like, oh my God, I can't see that.
[UNKNOWN]: I don't see that in my partner anymore, you know.
[UNKNOWN]: And I think that Daniel asking questions
[UNKNOWN]: is very much why listot is like oh maybe this is a bad relationship.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah and I'm in listot says later during the confrontation like I brought her on the bus, I brought you to her, I guess part of me wanted to be caught.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: He wanted it to be over, I think.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: Wanted the secret to be out with Louie, probably.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: And I love that he picks up these three passports.
[UNKNOWN]: He has a French one that says, Leston Greger, Canadian one that says, Sheridan Blackwood and a US one that says, Clarence Oddbody.
[UNKNOWN]: And who's making up these names?
[UNKNOWN]: And right, actually.
[UNKNOWN]: Well, actually, I'll say, Clarence Oddbody is the name of the angel from, it's a wonderful life.
[UNKNOWN]: But yeah, all of these are names that let's not use as like Anne Rice had a great time making up aliases for let's not we heard before Sebastian Malmoth when in the season two when Louie goes back to New Orleans and he takes that tour and there's like they stopped at the world house and they're like and the in the man living here was named
[UNKNOWN]: Um, we heard earlier this season, the stop to Valois, he says to, uh, is a name he's using when he first goes to Paris and meets Nikki, so they get away from his aristocratic background, um, there are still others out there.
[UNKNOWN]: I want to, uh, thank Svika on, uh, blue sky who shared a nice list with me that somebody co-related.
[UNKNOWN]: So there's also we haven't heard yet Stanford wild, Lionel Porter, Isaac Rummel, and my favorite Barron von Kindergarten.
[UNKNOWN]: Who's believing these?
[UNKNOWN]: That's a real question.
[UNKNOWN]: But that's a thing, like, Clarence, like, okay, list on Gregor, fine, Sheridan Blackwood, okay.
[UNKNOWN]: Like, I do think maybe the Sheridan part from Anne Rice was a reference, oh, I just say it's the best in the moment was also a real-world reference that Oscar Wilde used to use that as an alias.
[UNKNOWN]: Sheridan Blackwood might refer to some classic, like, Gothic writers, for example, Joseph Sheridan Lufnow, Lufnow.
[UNKNOWN]: I guess it's pronounced, and it is the writer of Carmella.
[UNKNOWN]: This really famous lesbian vampire novella.
[UNKNOWN]: Actually, really quite good.
[UNKNOWN]: I do recommend it.
[UNKNOWN]: From the 19th century, and then maybe like,
[UNKNOWN]: Like, Aldrin on Blackwood was also a famous writer, but Blackwood is a name that comes up particularly in Blackwood Farm is one of the later books in the Vampire Chronicles that's across over with the May Fair Books and there are, like, people are really nervous already, even though that's much later in the series, about whether this character Queen Blackwood will
[UNKNOWN]: So I've heard people say, like, oh, they said the name Blackwood.
[UNKNOWN]: Now Quinn's never coming, but I don't know.
[UNKNOWN]: I think they've done so far, like, in, unless they said they killed that character off screen, like Agent Talbot, I think most of the time they drop a name and then keep dropping it until that person eventually shows up.
[UNKNOWN]: I like it.
[UNKNOWN]: We'll say.
[UNKNOWN]: No, yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: I think that rewarding people who are eagle-eyed is a great way to keep, you know, super bands being evangelical about a show.
[UNKNOWN]: Right.
[UNKNOWN]: That's true.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: What did you think about the stats reviews got a 3.1 from pitchfork, which I had to look up the pitchfork scale, and a 3.1 is they consider really bad incompetence and thoughtless.
[UNKNOWN]: Oh man, that's that's pretty awful.
[UNKNOWN]: Hey, hey.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, I mean, look, I used to have, well, I guess I still have a degree in music.
[UNKNOWN]: But I got a degree in music and I used to go to school from music.
[UNKNOWN]: And during that time, we looked at pitch for a lot.
[UNKNOWN]: Since then, I kind of don't care what pitchfork says.
[UNKNOWN]: I like what I like.
[UNKNOWN]: No, I'll say the review was written by Daniel Hart.
[UNKNOWN]: So he said he had a great time writing it, making fun of his own music.
[UNKNOWN]: Oh, OK, that's funny.
[UNKNOWN]: It opens with the pitchfork review.
[UNKNOWN]: Bo Ridley, the guy who shot Listat, should spend the rest of his life in prison.
[UNKNOWN]: He also saved us from a second album from the vampire Listat.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, he lost odd pretends to be so aloof, but he is so thin skin, it's insane.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, well, I mean, the artist, you know?
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: I mean, and he did say it was for vampire, and not human ears, and the vampires seem to love it.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, I mean, I love the scene with the vampire groupies later.
[UNKNOWN]: Mm-hmm.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: Um, apparently the largest gathering of vampires in history, I feel like Louie's work could go wrong.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: They're really teasing this finale hard.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: So, I mean, so he is successful in Gabriella's goal at least, of fueling the great conversion, but Louie's right, Montreal, freezing, feeding frenzy incoming.
[UNKNOWN]: Yep.
[UNKNOWN]: Um, absolutely.
[UNKNOWN]: I mean, or people just
[UNKNOWN]: Did you use to, so they filmed this season in Canada, obviously, and so they had to make a Drake reference and a Degrocy reference, did you use to watch Degrocy?
[UNKNOWN]: No, I did not.
[UNKNOWN]: I was too young to really be part of that generation, and I mean, it's a shame that Drake died when Kendrick murdered him at the Super Bowl, but I just can't listen to his music at this point.
[UNKNOWN]: Apparently he dropped 50 songs that one day though, and that's why cabbage was on number 68 on the Billboard top 100.
[UNKNOWN]: Did it?
[UNKNOWN]: Did that actually happen?
[UNKNOWN]: Like did he release 50 songs all one day recently?
[UNKNOWN]: Not that I know.
[UNKNOWN]: I don't know.
[UNKNOWN]: I'm not much of a, I don't follow Drake that much except for, I'll say out of, when it comes to the Kendrick Lamar thing, I came out of that with a lot more respect for him and
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, you know, I, um, everything, I, what is it, the kids say, everything I've learned about Drake has been against my will.
[UNKNOWN]: I, I don't know, I, whatever, like I don't have any strong feelings about him, but yeah, exactly.
[UNKNOWN]: Well, exactly.
[UNKNOWN]: I don't, I don't seek out information on him, because I like or dislike him.
[UNKNOWN]: I just know that Kendrick wrote the greatest
[UNKNOWN]: Well, so we've got Daniel Maloy here, and Daniel Maloy is the saltyest guy I've ever witnessed in my life.
[UNKNOWN]: He is the best person that's going someone maybe on all of television.
[UNKNOWN]: Do you think he's certainly up there?
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: Like who's better than that?
[UNKNOWN]: Even the second best is his character in succession.
[UNKNOWN]: Oh, fair.
[UNKNOWN]: he's just so good at it.
[UNKNOWN]: There is like a level of sass in the tone of his voice that I don't like anyone else can mimic.
[UNKNOWN]: It was so nice though when they walk in and you see it's him there and it's like reenacted and it feels so good.
[UNKNOWN]: I think somebody actually commented that in the discord.
[UNKNOWN]: But yeah, I, you know,
[UNKNOWN]: The whole, I don't know, it obviously felt off between him and then they didn't seem to notice as much as I did.
[UNKNOWN]: I also clocked Daniel Sunburn right away, which it took them a while to comment on, like, something weird is up right now.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, absolutely something weird was up.
[UNKNOWN]: I did enjoy the whole like, ah, we brought you a fine vintage, your own blood.
[UNKNOWN]: And that's a great way to foreshadow the whole.
[UNKNOWN]: You know, Sophia, thank you later.
[UNKNOWN]: Sophia, Gabriella, thank you.
[UNKNOWN]: like he likes indulging in his own flesh.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, so I had to look up.
[UNKNOWN]: So there's this Francine, Lucian, Lashapel was, they said a Leon court is descendant.
[UNKNOWN]: But then they said she's from a line that came to Montreal in 1940, it's sorry, 1749.
[UNKNOWN]: So let's stop wasn't born until 1760.
[UNKNOWN]: So actually, so I first thought like, oh, it descendant of him and then I'm like, no, no, no, this is a different
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, I got it.
[UNKNOWN]: I thought like a descendant of because some of his brother's kids survived the massacre, right?
[UNKNOWN]: So I don't know about that.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, no, yeah, they did because because they were like crying children at the end.
[UNKNOWN]: Right, right.
[UNKNOWN]: But now it's not from them as I initially thought it's from some other branch that left left friends before he was born.
[UNKNOWN]: Right, which good for them because apparently it was not a good time for the Lee and Corps after that.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: So
[UNKNOWN]: Lem calls as as Louie calls him.
[UNKNOWN]: Let's not clearly just about him.
[UNKNOWN]: He's like, tell them to keep it simple and then before the okay you two, then let's not also freak out about.
[UNKNOWN]: So I guess the tell them to keep it simple was about them showing up.
[UNKNOWN]: But it was like, it was cute how the restaurant staff and guests were so star struck by let's start and Louie says later, it worked out for both of us.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: I think that's probably right.
[UNKNOWN]: I mean, it's fun to see him play with, um, you know, this fame and the fact that all the vampires know he's alive and all the humans think he's done.
[UNKNOWN]: Mm-hmm.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: Um, I mean, it was the flirting, flirting between them was fully on from from the beginning.
[UNKNOWN]: Like, I feel bad for Lemmoel and I wonder what kind of messy breakup he and Louie are inevitably going to have considering that Lemmoel seems really deeply ensconced in Louie's business empire.
[UNKNOWN]: Or is it going to, I don't know, maybe he can get to know in the start and they can all be happy together.
[UNKNOWN]: He is going to be in the Cayman Islands.
[UNKNOWN]: It was so quiet.
[UNKNOWN]: Oh, there's a character named Cayman that some people think that he is anyway.
[UNKNOWN]: Oh.
[UNKNOWN]: Um, and I love the Louis at this point.
[UNKNOWN]: Obviously, we get more honesty later.
[UNKNOWN]: But he's let's not like we could talk about the proximity of your restaurant to my home.
[UNKNOWN]: He's like, it's catastrophic coincidence, like sure it is.
[UNKNOWN]: Um, okay.
[UNKNOWN]: So I'm not a swifty.
[UNKNOWN]: But so I didn't even understand at first when Daniel called them Taylor and Travis when they walked in.
[UNKNOWN]: Oh.
[UNKNOWN]: But apparently I read somewhere that it just so happened, obviously, completely coincidental because it couldn't plan this, that the episode dropped on the same day as Taylor Swift and Travis, which is football faces name.
[UNKNOWN]: Travis Kelsey.
[UNKNOWN]: No, it didn't.
[UNKNOWN]: It would be here, go.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, it's a week later.
[UNKNOWN]: Oh, week after they're wedding.
[UNKNOWN]: Okay.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: They're wedding was last weekend at Madison Square Garden.
[UNKNOWN]: You haven't heard about this whole kerfuffle.
[UNKNOWN]: Well, and is it careful?
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, because they booked MSG on the 4th of July, and there was like a lot of police over time and apparently she did pay for that, but then a lot of people were like that you closed all the streets and my business was running and you cost me money and this is a lot of public debate right now.
[UNKNOWN]: You know what it was, why I thought it was the same day because the trailer for the after episode five is trailer for episode six came out.
[UNKNOWN]: And that I guess was the same days that we're having.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, that's probably true.
[UNKNOWN]: And I think that was in the trailer.
[UNKNOWN]: So yeah, yeah, that's pretty funny.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: What did you think about so that they had that cute moment pretending they didn't know what they said in the hurricane and Daniel wants an ending.
[UNKNOWN]: And let's not said it was enough that he showed up and Daniel was just like not having it.
[UNKNOWN]: But I was really moved by it.
[UNKNOWN]: What are you thinking?
[UNKNOWN]: What do you think?
[UNKNOWN]: Would that be satisfying end to the documentary for you?
[UNKNOWN]: I think the Daniel wanted more fire because he wanted to feel better about what he was about to do.
[UNKNOWN]: I think he, he, getting that sappy ending makes him look like an asshole.
[UNKNOWN]: And well, yeah, yeah, I also love that Daniel's quote-unquote got your question is the fog of empiric love was that a thing for you and he's pretending it's about the interview, but I'm like, Daniel, you are asking about yourself.
[UNKNOWN]: Yes, no, absolutely, he is trying to figure out.
[UNKNOWN]: We're he's about now.
[UNKNOWN]: Mm-hmm.
[UNKNOWN]: He's like, I'm so full of the bad guy.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, he says I'm seeing someone.
[UNKNOWN]: And they don't ask follow-up questions.
[UNKNOWN]: Always ask follow-up questions.
[UNKNOWN]: Why does everyone go to journalism school?
[UNKNOWN]: Mm-hmm.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, I think that, um, I think that Daniel's last episode is probably next episode.
[UNKNOWN]: I, I don't, I don't agree, but we'll see.
[UNKNOWN]: We'll see.
[UNKNOWN]: Um, and I, I also, but I do wonder like about him and her mom.
[UNKNOWN]: I appreciate you respecting my privacy, Louie, because Louie's like, no, I just didn't I stayed out of your head during the Dubai interview out of respect.
[UNKNOWN]: He's like, I appreciate you respecting my privacy clearly a callback to the fact that last week our mom told him that he's been stalking him for 52 years.
[UNKNOWN]: And he told him that he went back and reported his stalking activities to Louie.
[UNKNOWN]: Do you think that part is true?
[UNKNOWN]: Do you think our mom told Louie what he was up to, with Daniel?
[UNKNOWN]: No, and I don't think Louie ever asked because I think Louie has made a sport of not asking the hard questions, even think about his reaction to listot saying can I ask question and he goes, I'll risk it, yeah, he does not like uncomfortable questions.
[UNKNOWN]: No, it's true.
[UNKNOWN]: And then, but he's calling the start-out, why didn't you tell me true things?
[UNKNOWN]: And to be honest, did Louie really want to know all of that stuff.
[UNKNOWN]: No, they're both hypocrites.
[UNKNOWN]: Absolutely, they're both hypocrites.
[UNKNOWN]: But what I appreciate about this episode is that they both acknowledge that this episode.
[UNKNOWN]: We're seeing growth in the sense of acknowledgement and like, okay, being a self-aware asshole still leaves you an asshole.
[UNKNOWN]: But it's the first step at least.
[UNKNOWN]: Mm-hmm.
[UNKNOWN]: Did it true?
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: You first, do you acknowledge the problem?
[UNKNOWN]: That's the first step to fixing it.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, and, and I do wonder, you know, as far as the armon thing, what other traits he's picked up from him, because later we hear, like, could you feel him trying to read our minds?
[UNKNOWN]: And Louis says, hmm, he got in mind.
[UNKNOWN]: So I'm wondering, what did he get from Louis's mind?
[UNKNOWN]: But also it's cute that our months been teaching him.
[UNKNOWN]: Right.
[UNKNOWN]: And also he says to like, you know, he asks about, he asks, let's start, like, okay, so you're transitioning from, I forget, what he's like petty rockstar, what did you say?
[UNKNOWN]: To, to dark monarch and let's not say no, I gifted the great conversion in anthem, when he's basically it's up to you, what you do with it, that I'm done.
[UNKNOWN]: And then he's like, well, what are you going to do after it rest, which of course makes me think of what our mom said to Larry,
[UNKNOWN]: They're not going to kill us.
[UNKNOWN]: Come on.
[UNKNOWN]: No, I'm not.
[UNKNOWN]: Obviously not.
[UNKNOWN]: I mean, they beheaded him, but yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: I wonder if that's a reference to that.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, no, I agree.
[UNKNOWN]: But I wonder if that was a reference to that.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, look for a vampire.
[UNKNOWN]: It's like a bug bite.
[UNKNOWN]: Um, I mean, it's not it's not it we we saw we saw like one of those bright more vampires die within a minute But yeah, let's dot has the blood of a caution as he keeps telling us and Louie's been drinking from list at and probably our mom so he's Yeah, he's got secondary blood of a caution.
[UNKNOWN]: Mm-hmm.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: Yep.
[UNKNOWN]: Do you think Liz Scott could really be happy transcribing bird song in the forest for a decade and then playing piano at one of Louise hotels?
[UNKNOWN]: No, he loves, he loves society and he loves being big fish and a small pond.
[UNKNOWN]: Gabriella, I think, could be happy doing that for ten years.
[UNKNOWN]: Not, let's not.
[UNKNOWN]: I agree.
[UNKNOWN]: Yep.
[UNKNOWN]: Why don't we take a break, Alicia?
[UNKNOWN]: We've got a lot more episode ahead of us.
[UNKNOWN]: Let's slow down a little bit for a car ride.
[UNKNOWN]: Louis and Lestat ride to the venue.
[UNKNOWN]: Louis encourages Lestat to indulge in his vampire groupies.
[UNKNOWN]: Lestat's question about Louis seeing him in Paris gets them arguing about Lestat's secrecy, entranet, and all the other slights over the years when they realize what they're doing, they laugh.
[UNKNOWN]: I really enjoy this because I feel like we've done this for two seasons, then we've bought some argue for two seasons.
[UNKNOWN]: And it's a refreshing thing for them to just kind of laugh at themselves falling back into the same old patterns.
[UNKNOWN]: Do you know what it reminds me of this?
[UNKNOWN]: And then later, when they feel defeated from Claudia, is a eternal sunshine of the spotless mind.
[UNKNOWN]: Do you remember the end where?
[UNKNOWN]: What's your name?
[UNKNOWN]: Come and die.
[UNKNOWN]: Kate wins.
[UNKNOWN]: Clementine.
[UNKNOWN]: Yes.
[UNKNOWN]: Jim Carras character says, like, you know, you know, we're just going to get back together and you're just going to get tired of me and I'm going to get tired of you and we're going to argue or to be miserable and he just goes, okay.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: Okay.
[UNKNOWN]: They're like, yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: You know what?
[UNKNOWN]: It's worth it for the journey.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: And I feel like that's kind of Louis and Lestot now.
[UNKNOWN]: There's no one I want to be miserable with more than you.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: The way that like when they started arguing let's start is like beaming at Louie with this look of love It was so cute But then of course he's also saying bullshit like I wanted to live with you It like I had been dragged out of the bayou gills to lungs for you and you only like no you wanted to live in denial Ignore all of your shit and pretend this is a new beginning that somehow erased your history
[UNKNOWN]: Right.
[UNKNOWN]: And let's thought I'm sorry, but you are not the answer that was somebody else.
[UNKNOWN]: Right.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: And then Tuenet was not the answer either.
[UNKNOWN]: No, no, she was not.
[UNKNOWN]: She caught over figure.
[UNKNOWN]: She was very embarrassed about that.
[UNKNOWN]: She thought we could give it.
[UNKNOWN]: She thought that gift would make her grow back.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: Dangled to provoke Louis out of depression and
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, it doesn't make it better, but it does sound true.
[UNKNOWN]: A voice I could fuck.
[UNKNOWN]: That was, and then he said, actually no.
[UNKNOWN]: She was a good time in the book's prose, reveled and making her smaller than she was, Justice Franchoinette.
[UNKNOWN]: Like we all were all like, fuck, Antoinette, but that was a great line.
[UNKNOWN]: He's not wrong.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, that was, he's really good at like, again, like channeling Reddit.
[UNKNOWN]: Mm-hmm between that and Fraudia.
[UNKNOWN]: He's really he's really channeling Reddit.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, ready.
[UNKNOWN]: Sorry.
[UNKNOWN]: Ready.
[UNKNOWN]: As a red meat for ready a question about so you in the in the recap here saying that you know Louie pushed the start to show off to his fan girls Do you think that was to make listot happy like he's like, oh, I know listot will love this
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, um, yes, I do think so.
[UNKNOWN]: I think he just wanted, you know, he wanted him to enjoy himself.
[UNKNOWN]: Louie does love Lestot and Lestot actually says it to Louie in this, and I feel like have we heard him say that before?
[UNKNOWN]: Hmm, I don't know.
[UNKNOWN]: I mean, I never doubt it, but... No, but I don't think he's never said it at love before, and that's growth.
[UNKNOWN]: that's growth although he also says he says Jan is an awkward man with a you think you're better than me chip on his shoulder and then let's not like but we are better than him let's go that's gonna come bite you in the neck
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, or like a flatment one at least.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: And then, uh, what did you think about Lestott asked about dream start in the book?
[UNKNOWN]: And Louie says it was driven by guilt and basically he said you being gone.
[UNKNOWN]: Do you think that because they bring up this dream start thing a lot?
[UNKNOWN]: And obviously, Lestott does not come out and say,
[UNKNOWN]: Actually, I've been seeing you and Nikki and Magnus, luckily, he left my younger self, you know, haunting me.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, no, he didn't say it, but he did imply it.
[UNKNOWN]: I think he did imply it.
[UNKNOWN]: I thought he lied about it.
[UNKNOWN]: He said it shook some things loose right after he asked if he'd seen him and it's like, okay, I think that implies that he's at least seeing something.
[UNKNOWN]: Okay, but he did deny seeing Louis and that's not totally honest because he has been seeing human Louis.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: And then he blames the blood of Akasha for all his bad behavior.
[UNKNOWN]: And I was like, but even before Louie said his thing about it ain't the blood that's what you do with it.
[UNKNOWN]: I was like, nah, that's it.
[UNKNOWN]: No, that's bullshit.
[UNKNOWN]: You cannot, it's like, you know, saying, you can, we can only blame our epigenetics for so much.
[UNKNOWN]: Like, yes, we inherit a certain amount of trauma, but it is up to us how we handle that in our own lives.
[UNKNOWN]: And I think...
[UNKNOWN]: overall not to be like books for me, but I think overall let's start's arc is toward taking responsibility for things.
[UNKNOWN]: And I think that they've done a good job setting that up this season where we do see him start to take responsibility more obviously there's a big thing that comes on this season, this episode.
[UNKNOWN]: But you just see like he how much he hates himself too when he calls himself a
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, no, absolutely, you you feel badly for a month in one breath and you're like, okay, but you did all this, right?
[UNKNOWN]: It's a tough one.
[UNKNOWN]: You want to go to dress rehearsal?
[UNKNOWN]: I did it.
[UNKNOWN]: at the dress rehearsal listot and antagonizes his band especially the depressed Alex.
[UNKNOWN]: And serene, it's his lover's Louis and Sophia.
[UNKNOWN]: Gabriella encourages Louis to avoid the show and when Louis refuses, she tells him to stay near her for her protection.
[UNKNOWN]: Lemuel?
[UNKNOWN]: For his protection.
[UNKNOWN]: Oh, yeah, sir, for his protection.
[UNKNOWN]: Lemuel sends Louie Lestat's new leaked video and Lestat is offended that Louie was on his phone.
[UNKNOWN]: Gabriella warns Lestat that our mind is planning to disrupt things.
[UNKNOWN]: Sam does a good a vote.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: So I love that this, the brutal love thing.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: The salamander calls it Dixolton, like, okay, it's actually a great song.
[UNKNOWN]: I love he finally says tough cookie, her full name.
[UNKNOWN]: She's on the fence about it.
[UNKNOWN]: But like, why is nobody saying this?
[UNKNOWN]: Sam gets no vote, but I love this Sam's in the band on the keyboard.
[UNKNOWN]: Now, obviously, they needed some, another- Yeah, they had to fill it out.
[UNKNOWN]: A rhythm guitarist is not a lead guitarist,
[UNKNOWN]: No, Alex is a, yeah, Alex abstains from the vote on the song, but he's, yeah, he's a league guitarist, and because he was the one that list out says has the actual talent, Larry didn't.
[UNKNOWN]: And so yeah, honestly, probably having a keyboard rather than rhythm guitars rounds out the sound more, they don't need three guitars per say, because they have bass, yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: I'm I'm so nervous that the entire band is going to die next week at a very possible maybe not Sam because he's he's been around for a while but maybe him too.
[UNKNOWN]: I don't know I don't want any of them to die they've been fun but you know what I will say like having characters developed and die does give better stakes.
[UNKNOWN]: I know.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, I mean, I don't take so much.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, probably not, but, you know, maybe.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, but anyone who's not Louis and Lestot or Armand is, yeah, probably up for death.
[UNKNOWN]: Um, that I loved that serenade, and especially, you know, so Louie meets quote-unquote Sophia, and she's already so jealous.
[UNKNOWN]: But then when she sees at some point that Lestot is purely singing that song to Louie, um, I don't know.
[UNKNOWN]: Would we think like when she says stick by me, I'll protect you, does she mean it or is that sinister?
[UNKNOWN]: yeah i don't know well yeah i don't know i can't i can't get a read on her i do think she wants to start to be happy in general but i don't know if she wants a little bit of being involved in that no yeah which is repetitive a change for the way anyway uh... and got realized probably the most change character from the books um...
[UNKNOWN]: but she has a point though that like there's vampires coming from all the world all over the world and she lists Dubai Paris Detroit which is places we've specifically seen Louis piss vampires off.
[UNKNOWN]: So probably yeah there are a bunch of his enemies coming about baby janks would be there.
[UNKNOWN]: Definitely sounds like her scene.
[UNKNOWN]: Oh, she's gonna be involved.
[UNKNOWN]: She's gonna do something.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: I like that, um, I like that Louis shows some sort of growth in a way where, you know, he says, like, she's like, oh, I heard you didn't like want to do the concert.
[UNKNOWN]: And he's like, it doesn't matter what I think he's going to do, what he's going to do.
[UNKNOWN]: But then he also says, but I think he'd be hurt if I didn't show.
[UNKNOWN]: And do you think she meant I think he'd be more hurt if you were hurt?
[UNKNOWN]: Or is that I think I would be hurt if you don't bug her off and let me have him to myself.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, I don't know.
[UNKNOWN]: I, uh, I do think that she thinks that he would be hurt if Louis like was injured or died.
[UNKNOWN]: Sure.
[UNKNOWN]: I do think that's true.
[UNKNOWN]: I mean, we saw a lot of people with injuries, including Louis at the beginning of, um, you know, at the beginning of the season and the flash forward.
[UNKNOWN]: So we'll see what happens here.
[UNKNOWN]: Do you think she was being sarcastic when she said he shy just as the start is doing the bounce the jumping swirls?
[UNKNOWN]: Yes absolutely she was being sarcastic.
[UNKNOWN]: She was like if he's not saying something to you it's because it's intentional.
[UNKNOWN]: Right.
[UNKNOWN]: I don't know.
[UNKNOWN]: Again, poor Lemwell, poor Lemwell, because he's he's he's play glowy had his 70 something year rebound with our mind and I don't think his relationship with his relationship with Lemwell might be less toxic as far as we know it's so far, but I don't think it's any more grounded in Luis love.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: No, I think that's absolutely right.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, yeah, yeah, they don't text.
[UNKNOWN]: I don't trust Lemule.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, I don't know because also Louie says he doesn't know what he's doing a lot of the time when he goes off.
[UNKNOWN]: So that is like a bit Hmm, and I don't think that Louie's a good partner to him.
[UNKNOWN]: I'm just saying no, but I mean Lemule's off doing stuff that Louie doesn't know Which means we as the audience also don't know what he's been up to right now definitely that's true
[UNKNOWN]: But the text between them are super sparse.
[UNKNOWN]: Like, let me just like you made it safely, safe.
[UNKNOWN]: And then the next thing we see is linked to a new documentary by bestselling author, no more.
[UNKNOWN]: All right, exactly.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: We've got a marking territory by Gabriella.
[UNKNOWN]: Mm-hmm.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, she left her scarf on his piano bench, so that's kind of creepy.
[UNKNOWN]: Like, and she said, and the small books for travel, does that mean that she got the passports?
[UNKNOWN]: I guess so, yeah, I think she did, you know, she was the one zooming to be coordinating his flight to Monat, so why not?
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, because she showed up while they were sleeping, which is a little creepy, left this stuff behind to mark her territory, and then, you know, it sounds like to her, she thinks she's running the travel show, you know, saying, like, I'll have our tour bringing you to the hangar after the concert, it's being the driver and the guy who listouts, I would replace
[UNKNOWN]: he doesn't like, it sounded like he's already decided he was going to take not get in the car with our terror after the show and ditch her and just go somewhere else and he did not look into that kiss that she gave him at the end.
[UNKNOWN]: Right.
[UNKNOWN]: No, I think that he's kind of getting sick of her.
[UNKNOWN]: You know as much as she's been the one to leave, I almost feel like he is looking
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, I got that sense that he's like just realizing in the last episode when he was like, remember when you left me and she's in coma, which time and he's like, yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: right.
[UNKNOWN]: But she's right.
[UNKNOWN]: Our mom's in town.
[UNKNOWN]: He's going to try to disrupt things.
[UNKNOWN]: And let's start threatens to spank him.
[UNKNOWN]: And I've seen a lot of horny responses to that on the internet.
[UNKNOWN]: Go, I'll just put him over my knee.
[UNKNOWN]: And I do love the one consistency backabriela is that she does not like our mom to never did and that's definitely true in the books, too But so we find out She she's Alex is maker She's very taken aback that let's start interrupts to say that she should show some affection to Alex that he needs it
[UNKNOWN]: So yeah, that was also like a sort of slap in her face and also like in the fact like your bad mother be a better mother to him But this means then Sam made Salamander, I guess, because let's start obviously made TC because we know the drummers at the table.
[UNKNOWN]: Oh, yeah, that makes sense.
[UNKNOWN]: Huh.
[UNKNOWN]: I like this, you know, spreading her to around.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, because I think it's too much for when to one vampire to just make three fledgings a long ago.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, I mean, I had said last episode, like, hey, in this little weird that, you know, making multiple fledgings and you were saying it's more of a book thing.
[UNKNOWN]: to be more limited about it, but, you know, I like that we didn't just have a stop.
[UNKNOWN]: Because again, it's a big process and it's not like the, you know, other vampire things, it's just like bite them all over and, you know, drink or anything.
[UNKNOWN]: This is like, you, I mean, you basically have to filter the changes that you have to filter the fledgling's blood through the vampire.
[UNKNOWN]: That's like it didn't tense process.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, and all three of them, because Sam and Gabriella are also centuries old.
[UNKNOWN]: We actually, I hope Sam doesn't die because I need his full backstory.
[UNKNOWN]: I wonder if there could be a spin-off, you know, Sam, Sam sucks.
[UNKNOWN]: Well, poor Sam, he just gets roped into all the dirty work.
[UNKNOWN]: Yep.
[UNKNOWN]: I sure does.
[UNKNOWN]: Wonder what role he plays in the events that are going down.
[UNKNOWN]: Well, so there's a lot going down and they get back into the car, right?
[UNKNOWN]: And Louie shows, let's stop the sex tape, that leaked of him and his mom, which is attached to an interview with Daniel and our mom identifying Sophia as his mother.
[UNKNOWN]: We'll stop tonight's epithent, The Rose Up, and has a panic attack.
[UNKNOWN]: Louie is disgusted.
[UNKNOWN]: He calls our mom, he calls it our mom level to seat, let's stop The Rose, the Claudia
[UNKNOWN]: Louie holds a crumbling will stop and the two go to a bar.
[UNKNOWN]: Louie mentions his own childhood sexual assault, which is new information to us, I think.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: And the two compare their relationships with their mothers and agree they should cancel the evening's plans.
[UNKNOWN]: And they go anyway.
[UNKNOWN]: Like, let's start, like, ridiculous night.
[UNKNOWN]: I love, let's start calls everything ridiculous that he doesn't like.
[UNKNOWN]: There are, they take, like, embarrasses him.
[UNKNOWN]: Like the pronunciation of Worcester is ridiculous.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, no, yeah, absolutely.
[UNKNOWN]: You know, it's, you know, I already mentioned Louis sexual assault, that's why I just want to, you know, you had out of the way.
[UNKNOWN]: First of all, very, very sad that that happened to him.
[UNKNOWN]: He said the cousin that stuck his fingers in me also gave me a dollar, like, why did that come from?
[UNKNOWN]: It came out of nowhere, but also, I think, I, it sounds like they've talked about it before, you know, coffee and talk.
[UNKNOWN]: And I just, I think he's really making an honest effort here helping us not see like, yeah, you were groomed.
[UNKNOWN]: Even if you don't think so, you were definitely groomed.
[UNKNOWN]: Like she was in a position of power over you.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, yeah, let's stop really like brushes off Louise thing.
[UNKNOWN]: Like it's not about you right now, basically.
[UNKNOWN]: And Louise like, oh, sorry, go ahead.
[UNKNOWN]: Like I was like, Louise being extremely generous because I was a pretty dick response too.
[UNKNOWN]: Louie dropping that him tell, but as you said, yeah, probably he did already know.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, I don't think that was a first time for less though.
[UNKNOWN]: That was just the first time for us.
[UNKNOWN]: Mm-hmm.
[UNKNOWN]: Uh, so about the sex tape, it looked like it was in the studio.
[UNKNOWN]: Did Alex set up the camera?
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, or there's cameras just in the studio, because they're recording and Daniel has a camera up for the documentary, I don't know.
[UNKNOWN]: Would Gabriela have allowed that because she was like she basically turned Daniel away and said no more documentary for you Maybe she's not gonna maybe he's not gonna with Sam Me yeah, that's that's my question is what role is Sam Playing in this is he on team our mind is he just a neutral party who's just like I'm always You know centuries later.
[UNKNOWN]: I'm still dealing with the same vampire shit
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: I think that I think Sam, you know, he's taking a lot of these insults like a champ and perhaps he thinks it's fair because he was directly involved with Claudia's death at the same time.
[UNKNOWN]: Maybe he is just playing a role here.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: Maybe he's like, yeah, all right, kick me around.
[UNKNOWN]: You're going to get your head cut off soon.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: Maybe.
[UNKNOWN]: Maybe, um, and yeah, let's start, like, trying to play this off as a deep fake at first, like, oh, it's so sad and desperate.
[UNKNOWN]: Um, but they better tell us how, because this is in the books, the whole day walking thing is something that, like, some much older vampires than our
[UNKNOWN]: where they can just sort of get like a submarine, like we saw it with Daniel.
[UNKNOWN]: So this is definitely an escalation of that lore to have not only our mind, who which is okay, he's like 500 years old, I can kind of buy into that.
[UNKNOWN]: But then he's already taught Daniel how to do it, unlike tell me more about how this works.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: Well, we only saw Daniel in Twilight.
[UNKNOWN]: So I wonder if this is,
[UNKNOWN]: It's not like he was in blaring daylight.
[UNKNOWN]: Right, I'm at Miami Beach at noon or something.
[UNKNOWN]: Right.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, we got an anatomy lesson from the start.
[UNKNOWN]: I hope people learn some things.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: I was also like, yeah, no, he's not he was not in her vagina for nine months.
[UNKNOWN]: He was in her uterus.
[UNKNOWN]: It's complicated.
[UNKNOWN]: Okay.
[UNKNOWN]: Yes.
[UNKNOWN]: It is more complicated than Louis was making about to be.
[UNKNOWN]: But the point stands.
[UNKNOWN]: It's like he's been inside this woman for nine months, and then yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: it's true and and and you know let's start the as I mentioned earlier this is like he really this is the biggest crash out we've seen in a season full of crash out where you know he vomit on Louis shoes and he's got like I've been watching the new Rick and Morty season it just reminds me of grandpa Rick with the with like the vomit the blood vomit like dribbling
[UNKNOWN]: I haven't thought about working Morty in many a year at this point well season nine is airing now I'm not watching that.
[UNKNOWN]: Okay.
[UNKNOWN]: I don't want that No, I look all right to be clear for the Rick and Morty fans of the audience.
[UNKNOWN]: I enjoyed it at the first like two or three seasons
[UNKNOWN]: and then I was like, all right, this is getting a little old the stick and then the allegations against the voice actor came out and I was like, ah, I was already half out.
[UNKNOWN]: He's gone.
[UNKNOWN]: I know.
[UNKNOWN]: But I was already half out and I was like, ah.
[UNKNOWN]: This is a good enough reason for me to leave.
[UNKNOWN]: I actually think the season after he left was one of the best seasons overall.
[UNKNOWN]: This one's a far, I'm only a couple episodes in, or a few episodes in.
[UNKNOWN]: And I think it's, it's in okay season.
[UNKNOWN]: I like the first two bet, so it's better than episode three.
[UNKNOWN]: Anyway, I'm doing it for, I'm rushing it right now to write for TV since.
[UNKNOWN]: So I am intentionally tearing each episode.
[UNKNOWN]: I watch a part so.
[UNKNOWN]: Oh.
[UNKNOWN]: Um, yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: I mean, I do always like to watch something first, like just to get like gauge my own feeling and then go back and see how I feel about it when I do a rewatch for that purpose.
[UNKNOWN]: So interview with the podcaster.
[UNKNOWN]: Anyway, I think with, let's start to crash out, I think, you know, he, like I said before, he said basically, I think part of me wanted to be caught, but I also think that Louis finding out is what made it like fully hit home the reality of it.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, I think that that's true.
[UNKNOWN]: I think let's start is very good at
[UNKNOWN]: ignoring what people think, except Louis.
[UNKNOWN]: I think he really does care what Louis thinks, which is why when Louis was just a bummer for like 20 years, he didn't just run off.
[UNKNOWN]: He tried to wake Louis up from that.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: I mean, but also Louis is like, you lied to me for a century about this.
[UNKNOWN]: You hung her portrait over our coffins, but okay, here's the question.
[UNKNOWN]: It was at a
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, that's true.
[UNKNOWN]: I mean, well, she's cutting her hair.
[UNKNOWN]: She's did dress differently.
[UNKNOWN]: I mean, maybe the portrait is from her younger years.
[UNKNOWN]: Maybe, do you remember to be see the portrait?
[UNKNOWN]: I do actually plan to go back and rewatch from the beginning on because season 3 is coming to Netflix in Europe in July 20th, so I'm going to restarting from the beginning again so that I can also watch this when it comes out after the finale.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: I want to watch out what if you look like in the portrait.
[UNKNOWN]: So when we do our season wrap, which we are going to do a season wrap about a week after the finale, I'll have rewatch the whole thing, so I'll watch out for that.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: All right.
[UNKNOWN]: But I mean, let's start has a point though that like he's, Louis, I understand Louis's reaction to, you know, obviously this is not cool information to find out about your
[UNKNOWN]: boyfriend or ex boyfriend or whatever.
[UNKNOWN]: But let's start also has a point that, you know, he's like, I spent a month and a half talking you back from unimaginable friend, friendsy in the middle of my own fracturing, you know, well, after he was shot and everything.
[UNKNOWN]: So yeah, I, I think,
[UNKNOWN]: I don't know, I think that this as far as revelation of this magnitude.
[UNKNOWN]: could have gone, I think this is kind of the best in most ways, except when Louis calls it our bond level to see.
[UNKNOWN]: Do you agree that it's our bond level to see it?
[UNKNOWN]: I guess so.
[UNKNOWN]: No, not at all, not at all.
[UNKNOWN]: I think that our bond deception was, you know, something, it was a secret that belonged to Louis, right?
[UNKNOWN]: That should have, that should have been told to Louis.
[UNKNOWN]: Louis asked for the memory wipe, though.
[UNKNOWN]: I believe that personally.
[UNKNOWN]: Well, the memory of the 19, right, right, right, right, right, right, right, right, right, right, right, right, right, right, right, right, right, right, right, right, right, right, right, right, right, right, right, right, right, right, right, right, right, right, right, right, right, right, right, right, right, right, right, right, right, right, right, right, right, right, right, right, right, right, right, right, right, right, right, right, right, right, right, right, right, right, right, right, right, right, right, right, right, right, right, right, right, right, right, right, right, right, right, right, right, right, right, right, right, right, right, right, right, right, right, right, right, right, right, right, right, right, right, right, right, right, right, right
[UNKNOWN]: That's true.
[UNKNOWN]: All right, sure.
[UNKNOWN]: I'll go with you on that, yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: But yeah, then he has that really visceral panic attack, which just was so realistic and Louis just does the thing that everyone, I think most people who have a panic attack hope that the person that they love does is just hugs him and tells him it's gonna be okay.
[UNKNOWN]: He did a good job.
[UNKNOWN]: Good for Louis.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, I mean, because I, you know, I understand let's start to a certain degree.
[UNKNOWN]: Like this is a prime grooming situation where she was the only person who showed him affection growing up as he says.
[UNKNOWN]: But she was also withholding of that affection, making him crave more of it in an unhealthy way.
[UNKNOWN]: And you know, to her credit, he says she helped him imagine a larger life beyond Overn.
[UNKNOWN]: When they're talking later in the bar, Louie asks, so you never had sex before turning her right and let's start instead of answering just takes a sip and then turns to bashing Louie's mother who sucked, but in a totally different, more understandable way.
[UNKNOWN]: So I guess that means she was doing things to him before even the turning.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, I think that's right.
[UNKNOWN]: I really don't think that she was innocent before the grooming and then suddenly was attracted to her son and I think she was a groomer from the beginning.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: I love how they call out, though, in the script.
[UNKNOWN]: If we can find the blame, if we agree on the blame, then it's all mapped, the why we are, the why we do.
[UNKNOWN]: And then he's like, no, fuck that noise.
[UNKNOWN]: I conduct the chaos.
[UNKNOWN]: So it isn't a way that is him taking a bit of responsibility.
[UNKNOWN]: It's not just the bad blood.
[UNKNOWN]: It's he thinks he did.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, I mean, yeah, he has been pretty awful to a lot of people in his life.
[UNKNOWN]: We do find out that one of the worst things that he was alleged to do, he didn't do.
[UNKNOWN]: So there's that, where it went.
[UNKNOWN]: Win for our list of defenders, this episode, I'll say that.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: And we got with a loose dot moment, we got the blood in the beer, which was really a nice intimate moment because it's sort of like sex between vampires and booktards.
[UNKNOWN]: And Louise responds to it like he's like, oh, this is my favorite flavor.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, he was really like, wow, that really hit the spot.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, that's cute, that was a cute moment yeah it was it was great like it was hard to watch especially the first time how visceral and ugly the confrontation got but to see how relatively quickly and relatively healthily especially for these vampires they worked through it was like you know these kids just might work it out one day if they get their heads back attached
[UNKNOWN]: Once they have a good head on their shoulders, again, if you will.
[UNKNOWN]: I think that's right.
[UNKNOWN]: I think they're good.
[UNKNOWN]: I think they're going to be great.
[UNKNOWN]: You know who's not great, though?
[UNKNOWN]: Claudia?
[UNKNOWN]: She's not great at all.
[UNKNOWN]: She's having a very hard time.
[UNKNOWN]: Wherever she is, Merrick May Fair welcomes the vampires to a sound.
[UNKNOWN]: With Claudia's personal possession, she can call her back.
[UNKNOWN]: Claudia is in rage, she attacks Merrick, and unleashes everything she's ever felt about Louis, who she saw as the weakling, she can manipulate as she hated him in lightless stop better.
[UNKNOWN]: She confesses that she made upless dots of threats, and she taunts them both with their failures.
[UNKNOWN]: Demanding that they stop using her name.
[UNKNOWN]: She has spent her afterlife looking for Madeleine and can't find her.
[UNKNOWN]: Merrick close the gate and the vampire's weep.
[UNKNOWN]: Let's start and Louis agree to do some work on themselves.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, so this whole sayon's thing is ripped right out of book seven, Merrick.
[UNKNOWN]: yeah it seemed like something that was a big book showpiece so i'm glad that they got a good adaptation of it so they're really pulling a lot from the different books even later than the second book yeah yeah and they said they're repolling some things from vampire arman which
[UNKNOWN]: I don't have I really see much of that while I guess we'll see in the finale.
[UNKNOWN]: But yeah, I was, we, there's been thought for a while that Marick was showing up because of just previews and stuff, but it's like, oh, that's surprising that they're pulling that.
[UNKNOWN]: But it's a good way to bring Claudia Beck.
[UNKNOWN]: Well, it's a stuff from the vampire mount his romance with Daniel.
[UNKNOWN]: No, that's from Queen of the Damned sets of love.
[UNKNOWN]: Okay.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, and I think we'll get more of that next season presumably that 52 years in
[UNKNOWN]: Bring back Luke, Brandon, feel is that the young Daniel young that he was good.
[UNKNOWN]: He was a really good young version of Eric but go to see him
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, the resemblance is uncanny for them.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, it's insane.
[UNKNOWN]: I would have believed that they just, you know, he needed 3D version of a young Daniel.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, the cloned him and aged him too, whatever.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, it was, it's interesting.
[UNKNOWN]: Merrick was advising them against an advance.
[UNKNOWN]: I had to look up.
[UNKNOWN]: This struck me as odd and anyone from New Orleans, I would love to hear from you on this.
[UNKNOWN]: She, when she has her message at the beginning where she's like, I advise against it, but tell me before I go to the airport.
[UNKNOWN]: She calls the airport a moissant field.
[UNKNOWN]: or which was the original name of the New Orleans International Airport.
[UNKNOWN]: They changed the name from that in 1960, and then changed it to the Louis Armstrong in 2001 on his 100th birthday.
[UNKNOWN]: But it just do people today still call it.
[UNKNOWN]: Moise on Field, the airport, or is like, I'm like, I don't know.
[UNKNOWN]: Is this a signal that this is just not our universe, which is fair?
[UNKNOWN]: It could be that um she knew that they would work remember it is up because that's when they were living there Mostly yeah, I guess that's not moved back there, but Louis didn't it seems like yeah, cuz she's not that old obviously No, she's not a human age Uh, the other thing is perhaps Louis Armstrong was an enemy of the main fairs who knows Maybe just like real real good witch hunter Louis Armstrong yeah
[UNKNOWN]: I, the first time I watched it, I had some suspicions about whether she initially planned to do some trickery at this, but I, I guess not, um, scheduled for midnight on Halloween how appropriate.
[UNKNOWN]: But yeah, I was questioning like the needing two hours in the room to prep and stuff, but I, I don't know, I had to let my suspicions go on my rewatch.
[UNKNOWN]: Um, I also wonder if any New Orleans people under new what liquor it was that she used.
[UNKNOWN]: It looked like Senua or Senua or I tried looking it up and I couldn't find it, but, uh, this is like in, you know, the spirits, literally called spirits are used to, in the sorts
[UNKNOWN]: This spirit's to take form and we see Claudia is holding on to it and that dress to take form when she does and then drops it when she disappears.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: Oh, man.
[UNKNOWN]: I will say the visuals here were great.
[UNKNOWN]: And I know we've talked about like them having a low budget, but I didn't sense it at all in this.
[UNKNOWN]: No, not all the visuals were amazing.
[UNKNOWN]: It was it was great performance by Delaney.
[UNKNOWN]: Again, the accent work was not my favorite part of it, but it didn't take away from it for me most of the time.
[UNKNOWN]: She really did sell this
[UNKNOWN]: you know, enraged person who is both a victim and perpetrator to both of these.
[UNKNOWN]: You know, it also was interesting that Merrick kind of calls them out right away is like, you know, you both killed her.
[UNKNOWN]: And let's have like, I believe she's speaking of the turning.
[UNKNOWN]: It's like, I know that you want to blame me for the play, but this is about when she we should have let her die in that fire apparently.
[UNKNOWN]: Well, the other, you know, I think she makes the point like you could have taken me to a hospital.
[UNKNOWN]: We could have tried another way.
[UNKNOWN]: Right, right.
[UNKNOWN]: It's true.
[UNKNOWN]: It was a selfish act and she knows that now.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: And there's definitely, obviously, Mary Knows, the stop from their book club.
[UNKNOWN]: I love the tying back to the first season because it does the way this show goes through time.
[UNKNOWN]: It can feel, especially with this change and perspective.
[UNKNOWN]: It can feel like different shows across the seasons.
[UNKNOWN]: But this ties it back to like, great mama Ernestine to not like the du Lac boys, although Louie's like, Knows, my brother Paul, who called her,
[UNKNOWN]: whatever, or whatever it was, and she's like, oh, did you hear that?
[UNKNOWN]: It was the other one.
[UNKNOWN]: But I wonder Paul's brought up twice this episode.
[UNKNOWN]: It makes me wonder, I still, and we don't get these answers in the book, but I still wonder about his death.
[UNKNOWN]: Like why he just walked off the roof suddenly, I believe list.
[UNKNOWN]: Now, when he says he wasn't involved, but was there something else involved?
[UNKNOWN]: And what about these birds who were speaking to him?
[UNKNOWN]: Could that have been some sort of spirits?
[UNKNOWN]: And I wonder if bringing him up is a way of setting up getting into that story in the future?
[UNKNOWN]: Or was it the may fairs pissed about him, you know,
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, I think so.
[UNKNOWN]: I think so.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: Um, so I had to check in with, with Sean about, uh, he's, he started watching the, first season.
[UNKNOWN]: He watched the first episode.
[UNKNOWN]: He said it was very interesting, but he's, uh, he wants to keep watching and see where it goes.
[UNKNOWN]: But I, I said, like, listen, there's a who do say, I'll inside some questions for you.
[UNKNOWN]: Um, because we've talked a lot about,
[UNKNOWN]: Voodoo and Hudu, and like it comes up a lot in like Marvel and stuff, so I'm familiar with, you know, there's the loa, which are like the, yeah, in some ways are the saints of of
[UNKNOWN]: voodoo, but it is like this, this Haitian voodoo does sort of mix them up with Catholic saints, you know?
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, that was tripping me up because again, I don't have background on this and I want you to continue on the John thing, but like the May fairs in May fair, which is never mentioned Christianity really.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, well, she's from a different branch, obviously, of the family, in the book, she calls the other May fairs, like the uptown May fairs, like it seems like she and Cortland have a better relationship in the show than they do in the books, but yeah, I like the cheese, because she's from New Orleans, I like the cheese seems to be grounded in Hudu.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: But yeah, so I know Papa Legba is he seems to be the most important law because he's the one who's brought up the most he's the guardian of the crossroads.
[UNKNOWN]: So it absolutely makes sense that they would call upon him for this.
[UNKNOWN]: And then the other main one, she called upon were the Catholic side of Voodoo and so she says, Virgin Mary, Angels, Michael, and Gabriel, you know more about Bible stuff than me.
[UNKNOWN]: Is there anything special about Michael and Gabriel being called upon, do you know?
[UNKNOWN]: No, I don't know.
[UNKNOWN]: I really don't know.
[UNKNOWN]: I mean, Gabriel's one who, I don't know.
[UNKNOWN]: I know more about early biblical stuff than I know about the Christian stuff.
[UNKNOWN]: I know more about, you know, Jewish, Lauren, and Hebrew Bible stuff than I do about New Testament stuff.
[UNKNOWN]: Okay.
[UNKNOWN]: Well, so one of the other ones that she mentions is Son of Ham, which I guess is Cainan.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: Do you know more about him?
[UNKNOWN]: There's a lot of loaded stuff in American racism about Canaan.
[UNKNOWN]: Canaan is the cursed, right?
[UNKNOWN]: So Canaan is the one who his whole land's going to be cursed, and then Canaan is the land that becomes Israel, is that basically again, the descendants of Canaan settle this area that becomes known as Canaan, and then that's the land that God's like, said the promise to the Israelites, like, oh no, you can take that.
[UNKNOWN]: That's yours now.
[UNKNOWN]: Um, and there was a branch of American racism and slavery that insisted that African slaves were descendants of Keenan and that way it was justified biblically to have American slaves so Okay.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, so perhaps it was John said to me about Keenan too.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: Oh, okay.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, that's why I was I was thinking of that like is that what they're trying to not to hear
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, and then Chelsea mentions Lord of Blood.
[UNKNOWN]: I wasn't sure it like could have been a bartholomeal.
[UNKNOWN]: I was having trouble figuring out what that was.
[UNKNOWN]: There's also a mama you, which I'm like, that sounds Chinese.
[UNKNOWN]: I don't understand what mama you is, and Jean couldn't help me with that.
[UNKNOWN]: When I looked it up, and I just found noodles.
[UNKNOWN]: I'm also not sure what blank dummy is, but.
[UNKNOWN]: Baron Semi, or, as I call them, Sir Saturday, that one was easy to find, and that is another Luah, and he is noted for quoting Wikipedia disruption, obscenity, debauchery, and having a particular fondness for tobacco and rum.
[UNKNOWN]: Additionally, he is the Luah of Resurrection, and in the latter capacity, he is often called upon for healing by those near or approaching death as he is the only barren that can accept an individual into the realm of the dead.
[UNKNOWN]: So, totally makes sense why they would call on him here.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, uh, interesting.
[UNKNOWN]: There's, there's so much lore in the world.
[UNKNOWN]: And I, I focus so much on fictional lore and why don't I, why don't I, why don't I, why don't I go out and learn more lore like this?
[UNKNOWN]: And it all ties together.
[UNKNOWN]: Good thing shows like this, bring it to our attention.
[UNKNOWN]: Right.
[UNKNOWN]: I also, I did a deep dive into the cornstarch too, just trying to, because they made a point to the beginning.
[UNKNOWN]: We need these special items.
[UNKNOWN]: Of course, the dress and the diary are special items that make sense for Claudia's personal items.
[UNKNOWN]: But then, also, at the beginning, he pulls out cornstarch, and just
[UNKNOWN]: to kind of show it.
[UNKNOWN]: And so apparently corn starch is used as a base for hudu, sachet powders to make spells.
[UNKNOWN]: But I also wondered if it was used in the salt circle because Claudia later says like, oh, you're going to wear his modeling, you didn't bring her to to the like you
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, so I guess corn starch was for that, but then again, I just, I think I was I was looking for ways in which she was being a fraud and I don't think she was being a fraud.
[UNKNOWN]: I think I just have to accept that was Claudia.
[UNKNOWN]: But doesn't matter that Fraudia also wrote in that diary they used.
[UNKNOWN]: Oh, good question.
[UNKNOWN]: Do you think that's going to tie?
[UNKNOWN]: Oh, maybe that's why she was able to break out of the circle.
[UNKNOWN]: You think?
[UNKNOWN]: And maybe she's going to be a little bit tethered to the land of the living through Regina.
[UNKNOWN]: Hmm, and it was interesting also that Merrick saw Madeline Madeline.
[UNKNOWN]: I don't know why he keeps calling her in by an American name When she she sees the broken Madeline when touching the dress, which also was like that's what Claudia would first want to make them feel guilty about Yes, yeah She sure the only good thing that happened to her apparently.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: And I was like, why'd she move the chairs apart?
[UNKNOWN]: Was it for air flow?
[UNKNOWN]: But maybe it is just like bad feelings between them.
[UNKNOWN]: And then I can't imagine if it was her do, you know, trying to put on a show at first that she would have bashed her own face into the table so that she needs dental work now.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, that was some pretty rough dental damage.
[UNKNOWN]: I mean, that's going to be a fortune to fix.
[UNKNOWN]: I mean, I see, I hear people going to turkey now to fix their, you know, to fix their teeth because American dental dentistry is so expensive.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: But what did you think about the fact that when Claudia was in Merrick, she looked at Lestat when talking to Louie, even after Louie called her attention, she kept looking back to Lestat.
[UNKNOWN]: I do think that she liked him better, I think she was telling the truth there.
[UNKNOWN]: I think that I think from the beginning a lot of people have pointed out like they were more alike than her and Louie and so they got along a little better and I kind of believe everything she said about Louie was the easier one to manipulate and so I went with him.
[UNKNOWN]: mm-hmm.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, I'll say that's that's book accurate to like her the whole thing that she says is it's very similar in the book that like basically hates you both, but I decided to choose Lui as my ally because he would I knew he would go along with it.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, um and and I'd say her Marick's eyes did turn that sort of pink orange color of Claudia's when she was supposed to be possessed,
[UNKNOWN]: And everything she said was so on and she had the cut ankle backs.
[UNKNOWN]: That was good CGI.
[UNKNOWN]: The cut ankle back.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, that was really good.
[UNKNOWN]: That was really good.
[UNKNOWN]: And the way that she was like stumbling a little bit when she was walking with it, that that was good.
[UNKNOWN]: And Louise, I heard you calling to me.
[UNKNOWN]: She's like, I'd have tripped our mom on the stairs if I wanted you with me.
[UNKNOWN]: Is that mean she can physically just haunt is she attached to Louis maybe?
[UNKNOWN]: Or because usually the ghosts are attached to something.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, I don't know.
[UNKNOWN]: I know.
[UNKNOWN]: I father.
[UNKNOWN]: I read it more that like if I had that much power to pull someone from the end.
[UNKNOWN]: Mm-hmm.
[UNKNOWN]: I would have, I would have gotten rid of our mind.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: And then when Louie says, what about the thing you should be thanking me for and let's start and Claudia both look at him with the same look like what now?
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: And then Louie's response later is really great when he goes, didn't know that one was in me.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: awkward.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: I have to say in the book, Merrick says like maybe it was sort of a trickster.
[UNKNOWN]: Demon rather than Claudia.
[UNKNOWN]: I kind of trying to make Louis feel better.
[UNKNOWN]: But in this case, it seems more definitive in the end.
[UNKNOWN]: I kept looking for excuses to write it off as that, but I do think it was really Claudia.
[UNKNOWN]: Absolutely, and if I were Louie, I would be trying to avoid whatever realm she's in as long as I could.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, I mean, and I'm not shocked by it because a lot of us always assumed there was the two bits of pages of her diary that were torn out and now we found out that one of them was the letters to the pages about Bruce, but then I always assumed that the other
[UNKNOWN]: batch of pages that were torn out more roughly were the ones where she's like talking bad about Louie and I thought that maybe our mom tore it out to protect Louie.
[UNKNOWN]: Oh, maybe maybe I wonder if he read them and and yeah and spy rolled for a little bit maybe walked out in the sun again.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah
[UNKNOWN]: I mean, this was tough to watch and like I said, I'm glad we had that week after the that beautiful moment of sadness last week, but I do think at the end of the day it doesn't mean she just because she hates them doesn't mean that she doesn't also still love them in whatever way because love and hate are two sides of the same coin in difference is their opposite and she's certainly not indifferent.
[UNKNOWN]: No, she is certainly not, and I just, I mean, I was not prepared for that level of rage.
[UNKNOWN]: I think, you know, I was talking about before like, I just felt like someone had just like, you know, one of those like cartoonists like a monster rose in your face and then you your hair is blown back and that's how I filmed after that.
[UNKNOWN]: Like I was like, oh my god.
[UNKNOWN]: But then I noticed on the rewatch at the beginning, Louis says, you know, when they're talking about the sounds, he's like, well, she'd be angry from being dipped in the river sticks.
[UNKNOWN]: And so yeah, the river sticks, it's known as the river of hate.
[UNKNOWN]: And it's like considered to just be a river of anger, basically, it's Dante's fifth circle of hell.
[UNKNOWN]: And the original Greek
[UNKNOWN]: So, and you have to wonder like, is she affected by that as well, this response?
[UNKNOWN]: Is that really a thing?
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, I don't know.
[UNKNOWN]: But it seemed real when she said that she faked list-outs worse than rape threats, because that vindicates, but list-out, has been saying all season.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, no, I think that's right, and I will cling to that with your life, because my poor boy can't do anything wrong.
[UNKNOWN]: Did you notice though he almost seemed to enjoy being berated by her?
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, I don't know, maybe it made him feel less guilty because he was definitely feeling really guilty last week for not saving her.
[UNKNOWN]: And now he's like, yeah, alright, I'll take it now.
[UNKNOWN]: No, I don't have to feel better anymore.
[UNKNOWN]: Or maybe it's like this, this massacre is of the same part of him that called himself a monster before he's like, yeah, tell me I'm a monster.
[UNKNOWN]: Give it to me.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, I think you're probably right.
[UNKNOWN]: Why are you in a porcupine on low stoce?
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, I definitely did cry, both times I watched with the, um, I can't find Madeline here, the one good thing in my bleak black life.
[UNKNOWN]: And I don't know where she is and I spend every fucking second of nowhere looking for her.
[UNKNOWN]: Where is she?
[UNKNOWN]: Why is she not here with me?
[UNKNOWN]: So I guess Claudia is in purgatory.
[UNKNOWN]: She talked about the spidery.
[UNKNOWN]: Nothingness or something?
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, I couldn't tell what she was trying to allude to if we're going with like, you know, I, you know, Christian version of heaven and hell and we're going with some kind of purgatory, some kind of blackness of nothing.
[UNKNOWN]: I don't know.
[UNKNOWN]: It's definitely Christian heaven and hell because I get out of ice.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: Well, right.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: She went through that whole thing, didn't she?
[UNKNOWN]: And she never read con that.
[UNKNOWN]: It was just, you know, we're going with the, you know, Christian heaven hell.
[UNKNOWN]: Listen, this is maybe spoilers, but like spatially and show up later, so maybe a little bit but you know, there is a whole, there's that mem knocked the devil thing that we've talked about a couple of times in the inside, and I'll actually bring it up inside the coffin this time, but that's literally like visiting heaven and hell, and that's apparently going to be a spin-off.
[UNKNOWN]: Okay, all right, I'm interested.
[UNKNOWN]: I'm very interested.
[UNKNOWN]: and I wonder what's going to happen with Claudia now because very notably the salt circle is a gap blows in it and Claudia walks out beyond it so she was not contained.
[UNKNOWN]: No, she was not and well that's what I was saying like if we're going with the whole Regina's connected through the diary is she going to now possess Regina?
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, ooh, ooh, good question.
[UNKNOWN]: That could be.
[UNKNOWN]: I'll say this version, the whole say on was very much like the book to me, but this version ends a bit better because the version in the book ends with Louie attempting suicide, but we already saw him do that in the 70s last season.
[UNKNOWN]: So this time it was almost, it did feel like it was a bit of catharsis for them.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, what does he say?
[UNKNOWN]: He says, pretty much closes the door on that.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: She spared us the ambiguity.
[UNKNOWN]: I do think that's right, though.
[UNKNOWN]: It's like Louis always wondered, like, did he need to get some closure with her?
[UNKNOWN]: And he's got his closure, I think.
[UNKNOWN]: She's like, don't speak my name again.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, I want to part of her is this like, I'm so sick of you, sad, sacks.
[UNKNOWN]: Well, she's like, you know, you're making my death about yourself, but I want to part of her is this like, being extra cruel as a way to sort of say, just like, let go of this, you know?
[UNKNOWN]: Let go, move on with your life and let me move on with my search for Medellin.
[UNKNOWN]: Right.
[UNKNOWN]: Do you think that she's holding it?
[UNKNOWN]: Did she say something about like them holding her back
[UNKNOWN]: I don't know.
[UNKNOWN]: I don't think she did, but maybe I'm putting that into my head.
[UNKNOWN]: But maybe they are holding her back with all they're like longing for her.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, maybe, maybe.
[UNKNOWN]: Like most people who die, everyone who remembers them is dead in another hundred years, but that's not true for a Claudia.
[UNKNOWN]: That's true, that's true.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, it's been like 80 years since she died in the forties.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: I wonder if the lore is because of vampires having personally known you, you can't move on as easily.
[UNKNOWN]: Hmm, I do hope, I mean, I'll say the ghost lore is definitely something because it's one thing in the books, like Anne Rice just keeps adding new layers of lore.
[UNKNOWN]: She goes on because she's like, well, I've explored that enough.
[UNKNOWN]: Let's add ghosts, you know, and so the TV show has opportunity to take all of that and say, like, well, let's
[UNKNOWN]: what is the definitive version through line of the lore throughout all of this?
[UNKNOWN]: And so that's why I'm glad that they bring stuff like this forward.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, I don't know, I think that's great because it is frustrating to be like, all right, here's the phase of this now.
[UNKNOWN]: Mm-hmm.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: All right, we've got one more scene, but before that, we're going to take a break.
[UNKNOWN]: Let's start in Louis fantasize about a life together.
[UNKNOWN]: Alex smokes a cigarette and watches his Louis and let's start our decapitated by Daniel and Armand.
[UNKNOWN]: So apparently some vams still like to smoke or is it just like a habit?
[UNKNOWN]: I could be, I don't know, do you retain a nicotine addiction?
[UNKNOWN]: I don't know, does it like affect them physiologically at all, or is it just, I mean, because I do feel like a lot of what keeps people smoking is the whole hand to mouth thing and the feeling of the smoke going into your lungs.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, no, that could be, I don't know.
[UNKNOWN]: Well, I mean, Louis only talked about, you know, like food tasting like paste, but
[UNKNOWN]: right cigarettes also already tastes like pretty like it's like ash trays literally yeah I guess I guess they're even I mean we know Akasha big fan of ashes mm well yeah that's that's how she eats through her skin apparently yeah or yeah when she's being kept why must she be kept?
[UNKNOWN]: I did note when they sat down on the bench to talk, a violin started playing, and this stuck out to me for two reasons.
[UNKNOWN]: One is because I wondered if...
[UNKNOWN]: If let's start with singing about Nicky at all, and the other thing is that a violin playing is in the book what directly wakes up, like let's start playing violin and a kosher hearing it on MTV, yes, really, is what wakes a kosher up finally in the book.
[UNKNOWN]: Hmm, yeah, I think that's right.
[UNKNOWN]: I think very possible, and I don't think we get out of the next episode
[UNKNOWN]: Maybe she's like my little boy list art is in trouble and I need to go save him.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, yeah, I do wonder that too.
[UNKNOWN]: If that's... My boy.
[UNKNOWN]: Who gave me blood when nobody else would?
[UNKNOWN]: Yes.
[UNKNOWN]: Give me a little blood lipstick.
[UNKNOWN]: He threw a weird near-zeev party with... With his imaginary trauma friends.
[UNKNOWN]: I'm ruined your party.
[UNKNOWN]: With the vampires bird, and I love this.
[UNKNOWN]: What do you replace death with?
[UNKNOWN]: And I give, what does that mean to replace death, replace death as something to dread, something to keep you, I've heard a lot of people talk about death that you're taking, you know, timeline of our lives being something that keeps us active in pursuing things we want.
[UNKNOWN]: because if we had forever maybe we wouldn't, I don't know, I just agree.
[UNKNOWN]: I think I would spend like a decade reading books, but then I would do shit.
[UNKNOWN]: Like, let's start.
[UNKNOWN]: Do you just want to go record birdsong for a decade?
[UNKNOWN]: That sounds great.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, I think if I had immortality, I'd have a chilled decade once in a while.
[UNKNOWN]: But, you know, it's good to go exploring, especially, you know, the thing is the world's always changing.
[UNKNOWN]: So there's always gonna be something new to learn.
[UNKNOWN]: Exactly.
[UNKNOWN]: An endless instruments and languages
[UNKNOWN]: I don't share people's dread of immortality.
[UNKNOWN]: No.
[UNKNOWN]: I was really like, I've read the play Faust in high school, and I think I was the only one.
[UNKNOWN]: I was like, that sounds great.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, people are like, oh, man, but you'd go crazy.
[UNKNOWN]: Oh, I'm going to show you.
[UNKNOWN]: Probably, yeah, I'm going to be up.
[UNKNOWN]: I'd be up if I could.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: Pretty sure I could kill a lot of time.
[UNKNOWN]: I mean, if I had to live in like a 90-year-old body forever.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, and continue to, you know, have things break like that.
[UNKNOWN]: All right, maybe then I wouldn't enjoy it so much, but if I could be like 35 forever, yeah, I'd do it.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, yeah, for sure.
[UNKNOWN]: I would even freeze myself now, even though I'm slightly older than 35.
[UNKNOWN]: Um, uh, this like the head decapitation thing comes obviously intentionally at the most devastating moments when they're finally being fully honest to each other like the songs are about me most of them.
[UNKNOWN]: You open a restaurant three blocks for my house because yeah, if it was just the two of us again because yeah, who else is going to have us.
[UNKNOWN]: and then they talk about like this trailer park and with evening primrose and the birds in the desert and I'll say in the book they do reconcile and kiss right before the concert so except for the kiss that is basically what we got here and then our mom and our mom and our mom you know what people are calling him online now?
[UNKNOWN]: Kiddy daddy.
[UNKNOWN]: Kidding daddy.
[UNKNOWN]: Why faking that?
[UNKNOWN]: Because they think he's like cat-like.
[UNKNOWN]: Why does he cat-like?
[UNKNOWN]: I mean, I think he's cat-like.
[UNKNOWN]: I don't know.
[UNKNOWN]: I can't describe it.
[UNKNOWN]: Just like, like, you know, love me, love me, murder mode.
[UNKNOWN]: That's pretty funny.
[UNKNOWN]: I like it.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, I guess cats are like that.
[UNKNOWN]: They're just too small to hurt us most of the time.
[UNKNOWN]: No, I know that you don't like our mind, but do you understand why they, he would have done this?
[UNKNOWN]: Yes, I do, and I hate him.
[UNKNOWN]: No, he's a well-written character.
[UNKNOWN]: To be clear, I don't hate, like, no, I know.
[UNKNOWN]: I don't hate the existence of the character I hate character.
[UNKNOWN]: which is a good, a good villain is like this.
[UNKNOWN]: Is I understand his motivations?
[UNKNOWN]: I think he's well ridden, and I fucking hate this guy.
[UNKNOWN]: No.
[UNKNOWN]: I mean, yeah, the entire episode, everyone's like, it's gonna lead to the apocalypse, and, you know, our mom's all about the five laws, which I wrote only made for my break, the five great laws and parentheses for Daniel.
[UNKNOWN]: Because he did, he broke pretty much all of them to turn Daniel.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, recite them for us, please, because I don't remember half of them.
[UNKNOWN]: All right, all right, I got to look it up.
[UNKNOWN]: Like the fifth one is definitely don't tell mortals.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, that one's for sure.
[UNKNOWN]: And then another one is don't turn anyone who's like in firm basically.
[UNKNOWN]: So, you know, with Daniels Parkinson's that breaks that law.
[UNKNOWN]: Right, no vampire may ever destroy another vampire except that the Coven Master has the power of life and death overall is flock.
[UNKNOWN]: So I don't think that our mom really wants to kill these two, although they were technically, I suppose, part of his Coven at some point, but I don't think he intended to kill them.
[UNKNOWN]: That's one of the laws.
[UNKNOWN]: Never should an old vampire
[UNKNOWN]: work this magic.
[UNKNOWN]: Okay, we wait.
[UNKNOWN]: Okay, starting with law one.
[UNKNOWN]: Each covenant must have a leader and only he may order the working of the dark trick upon a mortal.
[UNKNOWN]: Fine.
[UNKNOWN]: So Armand kind of went against that because he wasn't in a covenant, he just turned Daniel on his own.
[UNKNOWN]: Right.
[UNKNOWN]: The dark gifts may must never be given to the crippled maimed or children.
[UNKNOWN]: Okay.
[UNKNOWN]: What is Lee and correct?
[UNKNOWN]: But yeah, I mean, he's I think that this would this is at least a borderline case.
[UNKNOWN]: And it seems like, you know, as we've been talking about the antibodies, it seems like it doesn't cure it after all.
[UNKNOWN]: Um, never should a vampire work this magic, less the blood of the fledgling B2 strong.
[UNKNOWN]: So basically, old vampires shouldn't be the ones turning people, which obviously are monbroke-up, because he's pretty old.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, and then for you can't destroy them five don't reveal your true nature.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: Well, he didn't commit to writing.
[UNKNOWN]: He didn't publish his book yet.
[UNKNOWN]: Ah, four out of five.
[UNKNOWN]: That's not them.
[UNKNOWN]: Book six is called the Vampire Armand.
[UNKNOWN]: Is that, is that the premise of the book?
[UNKNOWN]: Is that Armand is coming out with a tell-all?
[UNKNOWN]: Well, so basically the most of the series is like there's a group that ends up calling themselves the articulate cuffin and they are the ones who published their memoirs and um, this isn't really a spoiler.
[UNKNOWN]: Belator on there's actually a radio DJ who is sort of broadcasting their vampire stuff.
[UNKNOWN]: But you know, after this concert and everything, it's kind of like all bets are often to certain extent in terms of, yeah, people not knowing about them.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, so you have here, are they calling it Akasha with this?
[UNKNOWN]: And we kind of already talked about that.
[UNKNOWN]: But yes, I do think that this is how Akasha's gonna wake up.
[UNKNOWN]: But also, there was the reference earlier where the voiceover said, you know, let's stop maybe, Amol said that our mom did something worse than anything the queen ever did.
[UNKNOWN]: So is that this?
[UNKNOWN]: What is the something worse that you did than the queen ever did?
[UNKNOWN]: I'm sure we'll find out next week.
[UNKNOWN]: And then, I love, so I just, this was just a random comment I saw on Reddit from someone named Silver Star 5453, and they said, let's dot goes low, and our mom goes to hell.
[UNKNOWN]: Like yes, revenge porn is bad, but if someone made fun of me being a child sex lab in front of 1,000 people, I might not be thinking straight.
[UNKNOWN]: So, a lot of people think the big boss song, there's a line about a ragdoll.
[UNKNOWN]: and a lot of people think that that is poking fun at the fact that that that Marius used to rent out child human our mom as a sex slave to his friends.
[UNKNOWN]: That's pretty dark.
[UNKNOWN]: Yes, see you just don't know he he did tell us that in season two as I brought up last time but um people just don't understand murder poofy story.
[UNKNOWN]: But I have to ignore anything that it could be at all justifying for our mind because I've decided he's the villain of my story.
[UNKNOWN]: Okay, fair.
[UNKNOWN]: All right.
[UNKNOWN]: Years a question though, okay, so with obviously we know their heads are going to be reattached because they're the stars of the show, but also we see at least Louis later at that auction with his head attached, missing a foot, but head attached.
[UNKNOWN]: So the question is for Reed, obviously brought up earlier this season to Daniel that vampires can stay alive, older, more powerful ones can stay alive for a while is for Reed involved in this, is he going to be the one reattaching them next episode?
[UNKNOWN]: He's got to be involved, I don't know if willingly, but he's got to be involved in some way.
[UNKNOWN]: I mean, let's start with so nice to him, everybody likes for Reed.
[UNKNOWN]: Maybe this is how he earns his dark gift.
[UNKNOWN]: I mean, I'm sure it sounds like interesting research to him.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, for sure.
[UNKNOWN]: I mean, like, he's never been able to see a vampire that powerful before.
[UNKNOWN]: But the blood of Akasha.
[UNKNOWN]: Right.
[UNKNOWN]: I don't know.
[UNKNOWN]: I need the finale now.
[UNKNOWN]: All right.
[UNKNOWN]: Well, we've got to get into the feedback.
[UNKNOWN]: Let's get a few pieces of feedback here from the Discord.
[UNKNOWN]: The TCS came in and said, and the TCS, by the way, is a lore master.
[UNKNOWN]: More Emmy caliber performances today, another great episode and Red Zippy, of course, set and Lisa, you've heard her on the Widow's Bay.
[UNKNOWN]: Covered.
[UNKNOWN]: Can't breathe.
[UNKNOWN]: Gatswing face.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: Abby says so many feels I'm a wash and a flood of emotions still this show my gosh on another level entire entirely I have a very small request joking kind of please gremlin fans hold your pookies excuses for a hot moment and let us rage and uninhabited for this hot moment sorry Abby
[UNKNOWN]: Uh, first thought after that finale is where is Dr. Farid?
[UNKNOWN]: Okay.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: I want him on site ASAP.
[UNKNOWN]: Second thought, forget the sun.
[UNKNOWN]: Gremlin and all his minions can eff off into a supernova, or now we have a witch on location.
[UNKNOWN]: She can do a say on some bring back a few targ dragons for thorough burninating of the aforementioned company crying emoji.
[UNKNOWN]: Love it.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: No, I'm with Abby.
[UNKNOWN]: Let's be in Rage Together.
[UNKNOWN]: You have my permission.
[UNKNOWN]: You feel, you feel free to tag me on the discord, and you can rage with me about our mom.
[UNKNOWN]: I'll be in our mom to hate her till the day I die.
[UNKNOWN]: Murder Pookey's got a murder.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: Okay.
[UNKNOWN]: That's just what he does.
[UNKNOWN]: It's in the name.
[UNKNOWN]: Come on.
[UNKNOWN]: Your mom shouldn't have called him that.
[UNKNOWN]: Now teach your kids to ask before they pet the dog.
[UNKNOWN]: Jesus.
[UNKNOWN]: I mean, they've been so mean to him and I think he like said, you know, even also, as I'm on the actor, it says like, he's like, oh, I think he gets a little bit aroused when the stop makes fun of him, you know, but he was definitely going to clap back to a necessary degree.
[UNKNOWN]: And as I said, you know, he's, he's trying to prevent this concert and I understand
[UNKNOWN]: I think the more messed up thing they did was releasing the sex tape.
[UNKNOWN]: Yes, that was awful.
[UNKNOWN]: I mean, it's illegal in many states now for a reason.
[UNKNOWN]: Like don't non-consentually release sex tapes.
[UNKNOWN]: Mm-hmm.
[UNKNOWN]: Terrible.
[UNKNOWN]: Terrible thing to do.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: Ugh.
[UNKNOWN]: All right.
[UNKNOWN]: Everybody's villain.
[UNKNOWN]: Let's all go home.
[UNKNOWN]: But first.
[UNKNOWN]: Make sure you stick around for the after the credits inside the coffin segment where we'll talk about book spoilers and other connections and of course are weekly checking with the devil's minion corner on our our good friends Daniel and our mom together.
[UNKNOWN]: So let's get into the lower-house feed what's going on on there.
[UNKNOWN]: We've got House of the Dragon weekly coverage with David and Jean.
[UNKNOWN]: Now the David's back in town.
[UNKNOWN]: And they're having a great time.
[UNKNOWN]: They've now split into main and feedback episodes because they could not contain it all in one episode.
[UNKNOWN]: So I think that's great.
[UNKNOWN]: May the seven blessed them in their efforts.
[UNKNOWN]: What have we got?
[UNKNOWN]: We've got a silo.
[UNKNOWN]: You want to talk about your silo coverage?
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, so we are two episodes out on silo and I am loving the season.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, I did a crossover meme where there was a thing this week where there's a fan girl who wanted to meet Juliet and then when the fan girl talked to Juliet, Juliet was really harsh with her because she's Juliet and so I combined, I took a picture of that interaction
[UNKNOWN]: Like are you enjoying your exclusive fan experience?
[UNKNOWN]: Tom is pit.
[UNKNOWN]: But no, I think silo season three is off to a great start.
[UNKNOWN]: It's based on the second book shift, which is the book with all the answers.
[UNKNOWN]: So yeah, answers in come and fast.
[UNKNOWN]: I'm excited.
[UNKNOWN]: I really have to catch up because I am excited to see the season.
[UNKNOWN]: This was I think my favorite of the three books.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, no, yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: So they're they're like combining this and a nice opposed.
[UNKNOWN]: They they saved the end of wool for the start of this season.
[UNKNOWN]: And then I think yeah, they're going to continue the dust storyline.
[UNKNOWN]: Because obviously they're not going to not have the Juliet story line going at the same time.
[UNKNOWN]: Well, you know, I've I've once been a guest on the bullshit does podcast.
[UNKNOWN]: So now I have to live up to that commitment.
[UNKNOWN]: twice we did a crossover episode that we did you right no and there was a game show after there was a game I three times three times that I'm not caught up I got to get a regular freaking podcast right now go watch this no I mean I mean I think I'm gonna turn it on tonight because I'm not watching how to drag it that's for sure
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, no.
[UNKNOWN]: I recommend it.
[UNKNOWN]: I thought episode two was a good set up, but I thought episode one was a good set up, but I liked episode two even more and introduced one of my favorite characters from the books and they've changed some things in the story and I think they're doing a good job of like doing parallels about things like you know about the memory drug that's a big theme of the start of the season.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: All right, well keep going to that.
[UNKNOWN]: That's on a separate feed everyone.
[UNKNOWN]: The bullshit that's feed, which is linked in the link between the show notes As our other affiliates like radioactive ramlings and Probably Howard movie review which are both currently on sort of an off-season But we also have never mind the music doing their weekly coverage of music and psychology I'm gonna be a guest next month.
[UNKNOWN]: We're gonna have a great time together.
[UNKNOWN]: They've got an episode every single Tuesday.
[UNKNOWN]: It's very impressive
[UNKNOWN]: And also we have new dungeons and duerex content.
[UNKNOWN]: I don't know if you know this, but they've been doing reviews of House of the Dragon.
[UNKNOWN]: I've been listening to them.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: Actually, I'm in the middle of their most recent episode.
[UNKNOWN]: There's a lot of fun.
[UNKNOWN]: I'd pop into the discord to be like, Ron is right.
[UNKNOWN]: Only Targaryens can fly dragons, but the Valerians do have Targaryen blood because they're in a married.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: Valerians.
[UNKNOWN]: Yep.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: No.
[UNKNOWN]: It's good.
[UNKNOWN]: I'm glad that they're with the network now.
[UNKNOWN]: And they've got their audio feed set up.
[UNKNOWN]: So you should be able to catch that.
[UNKNOWN]: Not just on YouTube where they usually are, but now there is a dedicated feed.
[UNKNOWN]: Yes.
[UNKNOWN]: I think that's it for I will cause me a corner for the music.
[UNKNOWN]: Oh yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: I said never mind the music.
[UNKNOWN]: Oh yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: We did all this thing, Alicia.
[UNKNOWN]: Hi, Beth.
[UNKNOWN]: I brought up Cosmere Corner on Willshift Dust and I got an excited response.
[UNKNOWN]: Oh good.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: Well, well, thank you for letting me know.
[UNKNOWN]: I'm excited to start it.
[UNKNOWN]: We were about a month of recordings in and then we're, you know, we're going forward from there.
[UNKNOWN]: But it's going to be a lot of fun.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, I'm excited because, you know, I'm obviously a big wheel of time fan, but I've never read any other bread and send us some books and people have been asking me for years why not.
[UNKNOWN]: I'm like, I'm gonna do it.
[UNKNOWN]: I'm doing it again.
[UNKNOWN]: Well, never fear.
[UNKNOWN]: Never fear.
[UNKNOWN]: There is a seasoned preview that where it's about a half hour we talk about sort of what is the Cosmere.
[UNKNOWN]: It gives you the primer and why we're starting with this series.
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[UNKNOWN]: End of this month.
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[UNKNOWN]: We really go inside the coffin.
[UNKNOWN]: All right, let's check inside the coffin and see what we find.
[UNKNOWN]: Oh, a reference to a stop becoming a dark monarch.
[UNKNOWN]: People may be aware that what is it?
[UNKNOWN]: The tenth book in the series is called Prinseless Stop.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, so this is more than that, actually, I think.
[UNKNOWN]: Well, it depends if you count the side vampire books.
[UNKNOWN]: Okay.
[UNKNOWN]: Um, but so this, this is a, yeah, again, something like a reference is coming forward, but they're not obviously not going to do like 13 seasons or whatever.
[UNKNOWN]: So it makes sense, but um, I'll just say the blog post I mentioned that Corey did, he talks a bit about Gabriella being a stage mom, kind of, um, pushing, let's start toward this and that definitely
[UNKNOWN]: she's definitely encouraging him to take responsibility and leadership of the vampire community as we see her doing here now.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, it does seem so.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, although I wonder, let's start also, once he becomes Prince, he moves back to Overn, and I wonder if that's what the suggestion is with him talking about the forests in this episode.
[UNKNOWN]: Oh, interesting.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, he deserves a little vacation, you know?
[UNKNOWN]: yeah well yeah yeah like he moves back there with like Louie and like I don't know the the growing group of vampires that um they kind of have their own yeah they said they've got a cover and if they articulate or whatever they settle on various places and that's one of their hangouts
[UNKNOWN]: Um, I do wonder about this head reattachment thing.
[UNKNOWN]: I brought up the doctor for read thing.
[UNKNOWN]: And I do think that that makes the most sense based on, you know, the events of this season.
[UNKNOWN]: But I'll say there is a storyline in the book that involves Marius reattaching of Empire's head.
[UNKNOWN]: Uh, so I wouldn't be totally shocked if Mario showed up next week in that regard, but I also think, I don't think we're going to see more of Mario's this season probably.
[UNKNOWN]: I don't know, and Mario's has beef with the start anyway.
[UNKNOWN]: I don't think he's interested in reattaching with start-todd.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, but he also had beef with the vampire who's had you reattached in the book or no, no, it wasn't his head.
[UNKNOWN]: He actually liked the one who's had his reattaching.
[UNKNOWN]: He had beef with the other vampire who brought him back was like, I don't fix this, you know.
[UNKNOWN]: No, yeah, so their minor characters and marius is back story.
[UNKNOWN]: This is like centuries ago So I don't even know that they'll show up on the show, but I hope we get far enough that we get marius is back story because in it There's like this whole thing where like druids are keeping this vampire in a tree and yeah anyway, this whole thing
[UNKNOWN]: Um, I wouldn't, I would kind of love to see that.
[UNKNOWN]: Like, people are like, I hope they don't get to the weird later book stuff by which they mean like the alien stuff after that.
[UNKNOWN]: I'm like, honestly, I would love for them to start talking about Atlantis and Laura Castrian and all that stuff.
[UNKNOWN]: I think with this, with these writers, they, I would love to see how they handled all of that when the story really flies off the handle.
[UNKNOWN]: They do seem to be able to use absurdity in a compelling way.
[UNKNOWN]: mm-hmm.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: I do wonder, so I hinted at this above, but what earlier when we talked about this whole memnock, the devil, the fact they're doing it as a spin-off rather than part of the main series.
[UNKNOWN]: It is sort of memnock the devil's fifth book, and it's sort of, it's a side story for Lestat where memnock the devil.
[UNKNOWN]: Basically, ends up taking, it's like, you have to understand my story, and ends up taking Lestat on a tour of heaven and hell.
[UNKNOWN]: So to be clear, this is the big D devil.
[UNKNOWN]: This is like actual Satan.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, pretty much, but then, of course, later on, it's more complicated than that's like, okay.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: So, and this is where I also mentioned previously the stop, he's witnesses the crucifixion and drinks from Jesus.
[UNKNOWN]: You know, it's just casually.
[UNKNOWN]: It's just casually.
[UNKNOWN]: So if they're doing this as a spin-off, I do not think it will star list that, so I'm like, oh, maybe it's just starring Memnock, but then,
[UNKNOWN]: Um, I one thing that really like perked my ears in this episode is just that part of this, it's sort of a side part of this story where let's thought he's keeping an eye out for Niki as he's taking this tour because he just wants to know that Niki's okay and death basically.
[UNKNOWN]: And he can't find him in heaven or hell.
[UNKNOWN]: So,
[UNKNOWN]: Part of me's like, well, what if they took Claudia and put her in the spin-off looking for Madeline with a memnock.
[UNKNOWN]: I'd watch that.
[UNKNOWN]: I'd watch that for sure.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, I'd be really into that.
[UNKNOWN]: Because I think her role in Louis and the South story is kind of done.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, although okay, so I wonder this is there's a theory that was going around that I didn't want to mention it because we had specific instructions not to mention that Merrick was going to show up and but now that she has I can say this that there's a theory that's been going around about that Merrick in the book.
[UNKNOWN]: the Merrick book.
[UNKNOWN]: She basically enchants Louie and David that character Talbot who was killed off-screen.
[UNKNOWN]: And basically because she wants to be a vampire and that this whole sayons becomes part of it and all this stuff.
[UNKNOWN]: So she enchants them basically.
[UNKNOWN]: She enchants Louie.
[UNKNOWN]: So a part of
[UNKNOWN]: American chantment of some sorts and one thing of an image that's gone around that it actually was shared on our one of our discord chat shows that Merrick has in her left ear the same piercings as fraughty I did Ooh Interesting Okay, all right, all right, I'm into it.
[UNKNOWN]: You've sold me
[UNKNOWN]: So I mean we'll see if that doesn't happen.
[UNKNOWN]: If we don't get that reveal next week, then it must not be so, but.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: I don't know.
[UNKNOWN]: They could leave someone cooking for a while, who knows.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: That was far as Devils minion corner.
[UNKNOWN]: I think it's about time to retire as a...
[UNKNOWN]: as a spoiler thing because it's pretty much all out in the open now.
[UNKNOWN]: Yes, I don't think there's much more to gleam secret wise from the book, probably as I said, season four will delve more into those in between years.
[UNKNOWN]: But I do think you know, you brought up Daniel's death.
[UNKNOWN]: Eric Bogozian and Roland Jones, and one of the after-dark episodes, said that they agreed that Eric Bogozian could have a horrible death, you know, as was teased by Baby Janks, but then implied they still needed to write it.
[UNKNOWN]: So,
[UNKNOWN]: This would be part of the whole body switching thing would be part of tail of the body thief, which is implied is maybe the basis of season five.
[UNKNOWN]: So I don't think he's going to die this season.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, no.
[UNKNOWN]: All right.
[UNKNOWN]: I think I think I'm with you.
[UNKNOWN]: And I think more seasons are Daniel.
[UNKNOWN]: And I predict, I mean, and Daniel still exists after that.
[UNKNOWN]: He's just in a different body.
[UNKNOWN]: And I predict that the different body he would go into is real Rashid.
[UNKNOWN]: Okay, I could see it.
[UNKNOWN]: I'm in it with you.
[UNKNOWN]: Right, I'm gonna let it, that's basically those are my spoilery thoughts.
[UNKNOWN]: I don't know if you've any.
[UNKNOWN]: I mean, I didn't, I haven't read anything that's forever.
[UNKNOWN]: So no, I do not.
[UNKNOWN]: I wish I did.
[UNKNOWN]: I think by next year, I'll have read a few more of these books because I wasn't enjoying it.
[UNKNOWN]: I didn't, I did not love the Vampireless Outbook after watching the show because it shows, I think a lot better, but it was still enjoyable.
[UNKNOWN]: I think it's a nice compliment because a lot of people are like, oh, we're not getting enough of the flashback stuff, which is actually the majority of the book.
[UNKNOWN]: But then I'm like, well, yeah, so you have the book.
[UNKNOWN]: You can have like the extended version of the flashbacks there.
[UNKNOWN]: And then I'm glad to have this modern timeline story.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, all right, that's fair.
[UNKNOWN]: I'm with you on that.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, I will say the show is where my heart is though.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, that's fair.
[UNKNOWN]: All right, Alicia, let's get out of here.
[UNKNOWN]: It's time to let Claudia rest in peace.
[UNKNOWN]: Or whatever she's resting, and maybe it's not peace.
[UNKNOWN]: Yes, I will be searching heaven and hell for Madeline because I miss her too, on my screen.
[UNKNOWN]: She was fine.
[UNKNOWN]: All right, goodbye.
[UNKNOWN]: I like her.