[SPEAKER_01]: I got stuff for you.
[SPEAKER_01]: Holy moly.
[SPEAKER_01]: I need to get some snakes and release them around my house.
[SPEAKER_01]: Uh-uh.
[SPEAKER_01]: But I love eat people.
[SPEAKER_05]: I love eat kids.
[SPEAKER_05]: These guys are the scientists of the supernatural.
[SPEAKER_05]: Lecturers leaving lessons for acquiring laymen.
[SPEAKER_05]: They are applying the scientific method to a world that baffle signs.
[SPEAKER_05]: They are the cryptids of the core.
[SPEAKER_03]: Every day, you open your mouth.
[SPEAKER_03]: I know, right?
[SPEAKER_03]: I'm more convinced that you're a science.
[SPEAKER_04]: No.
[SPEAKER_04]: And it just stood up.
[SPEAKER_04]: I mean, it just kept going on and going on.
[SPEAKER_04]: And she goes, what the fuck?
[SPEAKER_04]: These are idiots.
[SPEAKER_01]: I was laughing reading this because I already knew how you would feel.
[SPEAKER_01]: Idiot!
[SPEAKER_01]: What's the story?
[SPEAKER_01]: Fits your balloon.
[SPEAKER_03]: Well, this isn't a UFO.
[SPEAKER_03]: But he also has big black wings and red eyes.
[SPEAKER_03]: Um, Batman.
[SPEAKER_03]: Oh, mach man.
[SPEAKER_03]: Oh, yeah, mach man.
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, everyone, I think we know exactly what it is.
[SPEAKER_00]: So say it all with me.
[SPEAKER_00]: It was a sand bill crane.
[SPEAKER_02]: Would you try it?
[SPEAKER_03]: No, you wouldn't need it.
[SPEAKER_01]: No, why?
[SPEAKER_01]: Because they're probably toxic.
[SPEAKER_03]: There'd be a lot of poop in my face.
[SPEAKER_03]: I've seen a six foot alligator going to swing into the air slam into a tree.
[SPEAKER_03]: Hello, hello and welcome back.
[SPEAKER_03]: The crib is the cornpot.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yes, I am the great and powerful mystery and I'm J. Clown 15.
[SPEAKER_03]: Have you ever had one of these experiences?
[SPEAKER_02]: 17 times.
[SPEAKER_03]: Why don't you tell us about one of them?
[SPEAKER_03]: I don't know the topic.
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't know what we're talking about.
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, I was just looking at my new home.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, a 500-dollar camper.
[SPEAKER_03]: $800.
[SPEAKER_02]: $800.
[SPEAKER_02]: Sorry.
[SPEAKER_02]: We'll talk them down.
[SPEAKER_03]: I am I'm sure they will.
[SPEAKER_03]: We're going to talk about near-death experiences.
[SPEAKER_03]: Oh, wow.
[SPEAKER_03]: And the 21-gram experiments.
[SPEAKER_02]: To anyone grant I don't know what that means.
[SPEAKER_02]: We're going to talk about it.
[SPEAKER_02]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_02]: I've never heard of it.
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't think yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, I think you have and you just don't remember 21 Graham like wait.
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, I know exactly what it is actually now.
[SPEAKER_02]: What is it is when there was an experiment done on a dying patient.
[SPEAKER_02]: and they weighed said patient and they put them in a giant sling basically that was attached to or like a hammock that was attached to a scale that weighed his body and on the moment of death he lost 21 grams of weight maybe maybe maybe maybe maybe maybe I've ever had so first we're
[SPEAKER_03]: And then I have a bunch of, uh, basically, uh, no encounter, I guess experience accounts accounts.
[SPEAKER_03]: I have a bunch of accounts of them of all the types, but if you ever had an ear death experience, uh, I was scared half the death twice, yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, how do you count?
[SPEAKER_03]: Have you ever had an ear death experience?
[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, can you can think of?
[SPEAKER_02]: maybe getting stuck to that culvert to be one.
[SPEAKER_02]: That was probably, that was probably your closest.
[SPEAKER_02]: Maybe that I didn't feel, I didn't feel the concern of death at all.
[SPEAKER_02]: Like that never was a,
[SPEAKER_02]: very easily could have been part of the equation, but in my mind, that was never a registering moment, so I didn't really, I don't really count that, because I didn't feel the fear of death if that makes sense.
[SPEAKER_02]: I was scary, but I didn't feel like death was coming for me.
[SPEAKER_02]: I just felt like, oh, I got to get through the end of this culvert, so I can breathe again.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's the only thing I was like, what you're nose hang on.
[SPEAKER_03]: I don't think I've ever had one either.
[SPEAKER_02]: probably when you got shocked.
[SPEAKER_03]: Now, because nothing, nothing is going to your brain.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's weird.
[SPEAKER_03]: I've been elected many times.
[SPEAKER_03]: I guess I've been electrically shocked many times.
[SPEAKER_03]: Electicated is different, like, drowning.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, true.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: I've been, I will say, I've been electrically at least one time.
[SPEAKER_03]: Mm-hmm when I got hit with 16 amps.
[SPEAKER_03]: I don't even I can't even tell you how many bolts that is.
[SPEAKER_02]: I think I would have drowned once You just made me think of that.
[SPEAKER_03]: Oh, you know what I have had one you made me you reminded me.
[SPEAKER_03]: Okay When that guy threw me in the pool.
[SPEAKER_03]: Oh, yeah, I remember sitting at the bottom of pool like I'm gonna die Yeah, I'm dying and like everything's so down so much which we'll talk about.
[SPEAKER_03]: Oh, okay Friendly didn't know I know I've shared this story, but I don't know if he's on Patreon or whatever
[SPEAKER_03]: I can't tell you how old I was six or seven.
[SPEAKER_03]: I have no idea how to get it out.
[SPEAKER_02]: Anyone that caught that at home just leave get out All right, all right, they're gone.
[SPEAKER_03]: All right, resume any so this guy I could not swim
[SPEAKER_03]: And this guy thought I was his nephew at the pool, they ate a pool, they ate a pool.
[SPEAKER_03]: So our local community pool, and he picks me up and he throws me into the deep end.
[SPEAKER_03]: And I just think like a rock, and I remember just being on the bottom like I'm about to die in time as we've been so slow.
[SPEAKER_03]: And I couldn't tell, I mean, it had to be just seconds, right?
[SPEAKER_03]: Maybe, but he grabbed me, jumped in, grabbed me, got me out, and he was so a polygenic and it freaked out, and my mom was screaming out of him, and it was just because he thought I was his nephew, because apparently there was no little blind kid that looked just like me.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: That could swim.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: And him and his nephew had been playing that game all day.
[SPEAKER_02]: Mm.
[SPEAKER_02]: And you got got.
[SPEAKER_03]: Mom, I think mommy even remembers who that is.
[SPEAKER_03]: I should have asked her,
[SPEAKER_02]: Should we relive that trauma for him?
[SPEAKER_02]: Bring him up, up to him.
[SPEAKER_01]: Hey, remember when you was killed me?
[SPEAKER_01]: He's probably dead now.
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, shoot.
[SPEAKER_02]: Maybe we shouldn't then get a Ouija board.
[SPEAKER_02]: When I was a kid, I was like five or six.
[SPEAKER_03]: And I remember I learned I think we were a little older.
[SPEAKER_02]: What?
[SPEAKER_03]: You weren't five or six you were?
[SPEAKER_02]: No, I was five or six because I don't remember that because there's pictures in my mom's office at work from that trip because all my cousins and grandpa and grandma went with us or went with that we all went together up to Canada to go fishing in the cabin.
[SPEAKER_02]: We all stayed together.
[SPEAKER_02]: I like vaguely remember it, but I remember on that trip.
[SPEAKER_02]: My brother was walking behind the boat house.
[SPEAKER_02]: I think I told his story, but my brother was walking behind the boat house.
[SPEAKER_02]: And there was like the water was up and there's like these little chain of rocks that are just as the waves go up and down you can see them and not seen them so that's just that close to service and they walked out these little chains and then there was this other bigger rock you could like kind of explore around on that mean no bigger than a couple cars but the other but so there was these little chain of rocks leading out to that and my brother was walking out there and I was five or six again and my I remember my brother turn around looking at me said don't follow me out here you're going to fall in.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I guess it's a kid, it's just like, that means, uh,
[SPEAKER_02]: Challenge is a challenge.
[SPEAKER_02]: Okay, let's see.
[SPEAKER_02]: So I started following out there.
[SPEAKER_02]: Sure enough.
[SPEAKER_02]: The water came up swept my legs slipped.
[SPEAKER_02]: I slipped out and I remember just sliding into the water like feet first Because it wrote, you know, rocks are sloped in the slippery.
[SPEAKER_02]: So I just slid feet first all the way in submerged underwater and I just laid there underwater And I just remember laying on my back looking up and I could see the sky and the surface above me.
[SPEAKER_02]: But I was so I think I wasn't shocked.
[SPEAKER_02]: I just didn't move and I think I probably would have drowned there
[SPEAKER_02]: And my cousin ran over there because my brother was already down on that other little island Iraq.
[SPEAKER_02]: So my cousin was like right behind me.
[SPEAKER_02]: He jumped in the water.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I just remember seeing his face above the surface of the water and his hand reaching and I grabbed my chest and pulling me out.
[SPEAKER_02]: And then I buried again.
[SPEAKER_02]: But I think I just like watch like, oh, he's right.
[SPEAKER_02]: I am going to fall.
[SPEAKER_02]: I am going to die.
[SPEAKER_02]: Dang it.
[SPEAKER_02]: He was right.
[SPEAKER_02]: I didn't even fight or nothing.
[SPEAKER_02]: It was weird.
[SPEAKER_03]: And you just reminded me I did have a second experience.
[SPEAKER_02]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_03]: When I fell at the cliff.
[SPEAKER_03]: Oh, there you go.
[SPEAKER_03]: I do remember slow like times slowing down.
[SPEAKER_03]: Because I remember Cynthia saying something to me about not standing where I was.
[SPEAKER_03]: I turned around and I just remember instantly looking at rock in front of my face.
[SPEAKER_03]: and then it slowed down and then it was weird because it time was really choppy.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, because I'll hit all the stuff on the way down.
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, got you.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: I kind of forget.
[SPEAKER_02]: The only time ever had a slow down moment where things just went into super slummo and I remember it all was when I flipped that.
[SPEAKER_02]: snowmobile so it made my brothers we had my brother and my friends Steven we took an old snowmobile so scorpion something i don't remember what i just never said scorpion on the side and we took an old monocarlo car hood and we took a big extension cord and tied it to the back of it my gosh so obviously i was driving hard and county thing
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm so fun though and There's only thing that hang on to is the front of the hood.
[SPEAKER_02]: So it was one of us on the snow will be all two of us on the car hood.
[SPEAKER_02]: It should have been the other way around But two of us on the car hood gets pretty heavy And I didn't realize it.
[SPEAKER_02]: I was trying to make a big wide turn in the field.
[SPEAKER_03]: I'm an anchor
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, they just whipped around so hard and I I didn't turn sharp enough and it's just the weight of them pulled the back in so hard and it whipped around so hard it started dragging the back in sideways and then once it got so far it literally tipped over onto it side and then started barrel rolling but luckily I as it started tipping on it side that's when it slowmo happened.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I just instinct, I just jumped off, but when I jumped off into the air, I was remember it being in slow motion.
[SPEAKER_02]: Jumped off, I landed on my feet and I did a run in ran, you know, like walked it out.
[SPEAKER_02]: And so I'm standing there in the field.
[SPEAKER_02]: I looked to my right, or I looked to my left, and I see the snowmobile actively doing like a slow motion barrel roll.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I turn and look to my right, and I see my brother and my friend on the car hood still swinging, like flying through the field still.
[SPEAKER_02]: attached to this rolling snowmobile and the cords behind me and then all our members feeling the cord hit the back of my legs and seeing sky so it whipped my legs out from under me and I was parallel the ground and hit the sky and slam the ground and then they both came to a stop and they came running over me to check on me I was perfectly fine the snowmobile was a little screwed up but they were fine but they went in slowmo like I witnessed it all in slow
[SPEAKER_03]: This article, the first article I want to touch on, is by Mohamed Talman, an unrefined neuroscience model explains near-death experiences, so near-death experience have intrigued humanity for centuries, evoking questions about consciousness, the nature of existence, and the mysteries of the afterlife.
[SPEAKER_03]: A vivid, often transformative experience described by individuals who have faced life-threatening situations, have sparked countless theories, ranging from spiritual interpretations, to psychological and neurobiological explanations.
[SPEAKER_03]: However, in recent years, a growing body of scientific research has begun to provide a more comprehensive understanding of near-death experiences with one groundbreaking study leading the way.
[SPEAKER_03]: An unrefined neuroscience model proposes by the multi-disciplinary team at the University of Lege.
[SPEAKER_03]: This model, drawing on more empirical findings across neurobiology, psychology, and evolutionary theory.
[SPEAKER_03]: Sheds of light on the mechanisms that may explain these extraordinary phenomena.
[SPEAKER_03]: So what exactly is a near-death experience?
[SPEAKER_02]: Right, yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: That was a lot, he just said there.
[SPEAKER_03]: Basically, they're saying that nobody knows, not even them.
[SPEAKER_03]: They have a unrefined, neurological model.
[SPEAKER_03]: They're working on right now.
[SPEAKER_03]: The kind of, it's kind of explaining some of the things.
[SPEAKER_03]: So it's a group of evolutionary scientists, a group of neurobiologists, so people they actually study like neurons, and kind of mind-transforms, how do my words?
[SPEAKER_02]: All that stuff.
[SPEAKER_02]: Sections of the brains that fire when you're experiencing
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, and psychologists, um, but yeah, so what is an eardith experience are typically described as profound psychological events that occur when a person perceives, they are extremely close to death, but when they are facing extreme life-threatening situations.
[SPEAKER_03]: Okay, while they experience some selfs are highly variable, many individuals report striking similarity in themes and in elements,
[SPEAKER_03]: These commonly report phenomena include out-of-body experiences, sensation of leaving the physical body and observing it from an external perspective.
[SPEAKER_02]: OK.
[SPEAKER_03]: So I heard a lot of people in crashes and say like, they were watching the crash from outside from above.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: Like looking down on themselves.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: Distorted awareness of time.
[SPEAKER_03]: So kind of ones we were just talking about.
[SPEAKER_03]: OK.
[SPEAKER_03]: Feeling of time has either slowed down, stopped, or extremely accelerated.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, like a warm feeling, many of those report overwhelming sense of tranquility and emotion well being something described as a state of bliss or serenity.
[SPEAKER_03]: Uh, normally when you get those, if you go that far, you're already died.
[SPEAKER_03]: Like, you're going to die.
[SPEAKER_03]: Your body feeling those things.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: Like the sense of calm.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: Your body is dumping every feel.
[SPEAKER_03]: Good chemical.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's got just being like, let's, uh, let's sit this one out, champ.
[SPEAKER_03]: Enjoy this a little bit.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: Right, so we're going to take this in stride and as your body slowly burns the death and this horrible house fire turns, let's just take a moment and enjoy it life review so terrible some individuals experience a rapid vivid recollection of key moments in their lives, some of them described as life flashing before their eyes and you know, I don't I guess you may be able to explain that later, but I mean that's such a
[SPEAKER_03]: widely talked about phenomena thousands of years people have been yeah it's it's so it's happening all these happen all these are highly highly highly documented okay there's there's nobody is questioning the validity of these things it's more of why they happen is the question okay okay i just want to make that clear
[SPEAKER_03]: Uh, and it gets into the paranormal here in a minute.
[SPEAKER_03]: So don't worry, everybody.
[SPEAKER_03]: When we are going to get this supernatural.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, bright lights slash tunnel slash spiritual encounters is can include visions of bright lights, long tunnels and encounters with deceased relatives, mystical and godly figures or perceived spiritual beings.
[SPEAKER_03]: Uh, so we're going to talk about my dad's later.
[SPEAKER_02]: So I figured you were going to get to.
[SPEAKER_03]: However, the field of, uh, basically, the out of body experience, aren't not out about it.
[SPEAKER_03]: He's been near death experiences.
[SPEAKER_03]: Researchers are not limited at these.
[SPEAKER_03]: It is more positive or mythical accounts.
[SPEAKER_03]: While the majority of near death experience report in popular culture, fit the patterns of all and wonder, there are also less frequently mentioned experiences that are much more darker, nightmareish and simply nonsensical.
[SPEAKER_03]: Gotcha.
[SPEAKER_02]: I remember I asked my dad about his near death experiences and he said, oh, what Tuesday?
[SPEAKER_03]: Your poor dad.
[SPEAKER_03]: These list discussed accounts challenge idea of near-death experiences are inherently positive or universally transformative, pointing to a more complexity of consciousness and influence of personal psychology of these events.
[SPEAKER_03]: For example, some people report feeling fear, anxiety, and lack of meaning to their experience.
[SPEAKER_03]: I have meaning like I that's more getting at like you wasted your life for oh gosh that's deep okay that's horrible yeah no it's not good now yeah lack of our fear anxiety and lack of meaning yeah that sucks that's not good bad combo like uh it's more at peace you're like I did my best
[SPEAKER_03]: Right.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: This is like I've really not been trying.
[SPEAKER_02]: I've wasted all this time.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, that's.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's not a good feeling.
[SPEAKER_03]: Interestingly near death, like experiences can also occur in non-life threatening context.
[SPEAKER_03]: Such as during fainting drug use in sleep paralysis.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yep.
[SPEAKER_03]: These are just that near-death experiments may not uniquely be tied to the proximity of death, but rather to an altered states of consciousness, that makes sense, which can be induced by very psychological and physiological triggers.
[SPEAKER_03]: So the physiological, I mean, that can be like, you're about to get hit by a car, or you're in a rolling car, or there's a tiger jumping at you, with him per sound.
[SPEAKER_02]: Like there's a lot happening or you like you took too many shrumes and you're like, yeah, I've lived a bad life I like yeah, I like the tired jumping at you like it's in mid flight at you and you're experiencing all this and that point two seconds and you punch it right the last second I'd be awesome.
[SPEAKER_03]: So a new unrefined neuroscientific model in review article titled and neuroscientific model of near-death experiences, published in Nature Reviews, Neurology or Neurology, a research team from the University of Lege presents the unrefined model based on convergent evidences of various scientific fields.
[SPEAKER_02]: But before you go too far, what can I see that university because I have a feeling?
[SPEAKER_01]: Lege, I think it might be Lehigh, could it is that a chance?
[SPEAKER_01]: It's right there.
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, never mind, it is.
[SPEAKER_02]: L-E-I-G-E.
[SPEAKER_02]: I've never heard of that.
[SPEAKER_02]: I think it's French.
[SPEAKER_03]: Didn't, uh... No, it could read it.
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, no.
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, maybe it's not French.
[SPEAKER_02]: I didn't puke.
[SPEAKER_02]: L-E-G. Oh, it is, too.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm just kidding, I don't know.
[SPEAKER_02]: L-E-I-G-E. Screw you.
[SPEAKER_03]: You.
[SPEAKER_02]: Me?
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: Why?
[SPEAKER_02]: You thought I didn't have the right word.
[SPEAKER_02]: I really didn't.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm like, you said it earlier now.
[SPEAKER_02]: I was like, I'll let him go.
[SPEAKER_02]: But if it comes up again, I got to say something.
[SPEAKER_02]: L-E-I-G-E.
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, it is our L.I.E.
[SPEAKER_02]: Sorry, G.E.
[SPEAKER_02]: Universities.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: Oh, it's in Belgium.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: Told you it wouldn't French.
[SPEAKER_02]: Wow, Belgium.
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, uh, is a major public French language university.
[SPEAKER_02]: Ugh.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's Belgium.
[SPEAKER_02]: Belgium.
[SPEAKER_02]: That thing.
[SPEAKER_02]: All right, back, sorry.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm, we're, we're getting off.
[SPEAKER_03]: Basically, the researcher draws upon data from neurobiology, animal studies, psychedelic research, clinical observations to try to offer a more comprehensive explanation of near-death experiences, which may engage in response to physiological stressors, such as oxygen deprivation, carbon dioxide build up, and disturbances in brain energy metabolism.
[SPEAKER_03]: these are all stressors, right?
[SPEAKER_03]: So that you could trigger it basically from hyperventilating, you could trigger it from being choke like drowning, you could trigger it like the brain energy metabolism being spiked or lowered.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, but that can be more like your brain is working in an overdrive, you're getting an adrenaline dump, so your brain is entering the base, not a fugue state.
[SPEAKER_03]: what kind of this crazy active state?
[SPEAKER_03]: So it's jumped up and how much power it's draining and so it kind of triggers one of these.
[SPEAKER_03]: At the core of the model, the idea of near-death experiences are triggered by scientific, physiological processes that occur during critical moments of survival, such as during cardiac arrest, traumatic injury, or near-droundings.
[SPEAKER_03]: These events indicate a cascading of neurological responses leading to the alteration of consciousness.
[SPEAKER_03]: Wow, okay, these key factors identified in this model includes auction deprivation produced blood flow to the brain can result in cardiac arrest or traumatic injury leads to hyperphyxisia.
[SPEAKER_03]: The state of which the brain is deprived of oxygen.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's been linked to vivid visual and emotional experiences, including hallucinations and the feeling of, I can always, I always mess up this word.
[SPEAKER_03]: euphoria, there it is, which is commonly reported during near-death experiences.
[SPEAKER_03]: So basically it's the brain is just being like, we're dying, let's experience all the emotions.
[SPEAKER_03]: Well, we're going to have, we're all these chemicals I've been saving, yeah, we're going to just enjoy them, dump, ride this last ride into the sunset.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's pretty cool though, if you think about it, that.
[SPEAKER_02]: Uh, I guess your body has all these natural chemicals and things built in where you can experience the different states of consciousness that's already built in within you.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, but why your body first doesn't do it is it's kind of like why you don't run nitro into a normal car.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, he works fine a couple times, but it just starts destroying the system.
[SPEAKER_02]: Right.
[SPEAKER_02]: No, I don't disagree with that.
[SPEAKER_02]: I just think it's funny like you can achieve these things.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: And but the American way I think now or just modern humanity.
[SPEAKER_02]: we have to turn to like these controlled substances to for people to experience different states of consciousness.
[SPEAKER_02]: So then they can experience different emotions.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm basically pointing my finger at like alcohol.
[SPEAKER_02]: Like certain people can only have fun or enjoy themselves if they're using alcohol.
[SPEAKER_03]: What's drunkenness, everybody knows basically the auction deprivation.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, it's the same thing.
[SPEAKER_02]: And what to his different drawn out degree.
[SPEAKER_02]: But at the same way, it's an altered state consciousness.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, and I've seen that change in people where
[SPEAKER_02]: mostly just from experiences and like high school and moving on where you see where the where people start experience and that stuff and you see changes not only in the personality but what they do for fun it's like they can't have fun unless that's involved now and good and uh and it's it's it's it's just kind of crazy to know like hey your brains are already capable of all this stuff you don't need these control options they're just a short cut to get to that
[SPEAKER_03]: So the next one is increased carbon dioxide buildup.
[SPEAKER_03]: When oxygen levels drop, carbon dioxide levels in the blood tend to rise.
[SPEAKER_03]: This goes all in feeling of extreme confusion, disorientation, in the sense of altered reality, which may contribute to the distant body, such as sensations, often reported.
[SPEAKER_03]: So, okay, that's interesting.
[SPEAKER_03]: This is one idea, right?
[SPEAKER_03]: This is one university's work.
[SPEAKER_02]: Where do they, where does there's a connection from oxygen deprivation or high levels of CO2 to out of body experience?
[SPEAKER_02]: You know what I mean?
[SPEAKER_03]: They're just saying in case studies, they've seen this lead to that a sense of basically disembodied meant where you don't like this, this sense of confusion leads to altered reality where you think you're watching yourself from the outside.
[SPEAKER_03]: Hmm, but maybe you are, oh yeah, I'm not arguing that I'm just saying this this one study is going into some of these things of what they think.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, okay.
[SPEAKER_03]: All and then disturb our disturbances in brain energy metabolism.
[SPEAKER_03]: The brain requires a constant supply of glucose and oxygen to maintain its functions, during extreme stresses and or traumas, metallic illicit balance is disturbed, leading to a breakdown in the brain's normal electrical activities.
[SPEAKER_03]: This can give a rise to altered states of consciousness, ranging from dissociations to intense perceptional experiences.
[SPEAKER_03]: No.
[SPEAKER_03]: because yeah, so you can go either or is what they're saying.
[SPEAKER_03]: It can go down to where like, if you go down to confused in fugues state and like you're starting to see stuff like that because it's like the brain's dying from that.
[SPEAKER_03]: So it's hallucinating.
[SPEAKER_03]: And more when you get a dump of adrenaline and these other chemicals the other way, time slows down and you become hyper focused on things.
[SPEAKER_03]: Okay, because your brain is using basically a higher energy fuel source.
[SPEAKER_03]: that it's not good for it.
[SPEAKER_03]: But if during these life and death situation times of need, it needs it's necessary.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's pretty cool.
[SPEAKER_02]: Uh, she, I had a thought somewhere in there.
[SPEAKER_02]: Sorry.
[SPEAKER_02]: No, no, you're good.
[SPEAKER_02]: Uh, with, uh, I can't remember.
[SPEAKER_02]: I lost it.
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't know.
[SPEAKER_02]: Interesting stuff, though.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's very.
[SPEAKER_02]: Hmm.
[SPEAKER_02]: This is the dump.
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, that's what it was.
[SPEAKER_02]: There you go.
[SPEAKER_02]: The dump of chemicals.
[SPEAKER_02]: Because we are just a big bag of chemicals and electricity.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's all we really are.
[SPEAKER_02]: That controls everything.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's really controls our emotions too.
[SPEAKER_02]: So maybe ours are input of it is just how we think of things.
[SPEAKER_02]: And that controls those electronic discharges and those chemical dumps.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's just how our consciousness controls it.
[SPEAKER_03]: My CO2 is clinically low.
[SPEAKER_02]: You're CO2, is it, is it, is it slow?
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: Is that good?
[SPEAKER_03]: No.
[SPEAKER_03]: So you need, you need CO2 for basically chemical balance in the body.
[SPEAKER_03]: Hmm.
[SPEAKER_03]: Like there's an appropriate level.
[SPEAKER_03]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_03]: For your pH balance.
[SPEAKER_02]: Gotcha.
[SPEAKER_03]: Mine's really low.
[SPEAKER_02]: So what do you do about that?
[SPEAKER_03]: Die.
[SPEAKER_02]: Drink more Dr. Pepper.
[SPEAKER_02]: Try and.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm trying.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm trying to get as much CO2 in as I can.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's not working now.
[SPEAKER_03]: If I didn't drink Dr.
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't know, we should experiment.
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't think you would.
[SPEAKER_02]: What?
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't think you die.
[SPEAKER_03]: I already gave a bow call.
[SPEAKER_03]: If I give up Dr. Pepper, you'll die.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's probably more likely.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's more likely.
[SPEAKER_02]: One of us will be dead in a week.
[SPEAKER_02]: I think we should try and switch the cambouche.
[SPEAKER_03]: Because you'll say something to me, and I'm just like, I don't have a stalker who'll come back.
[SPEAKER_03]: I'll just shoot you.
[SPEAKER_02]: No, you just pull a sword out, yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, that'll be seen in this episode.
[SPEAKER_03]: So physiological mechanisms behind your death experience is one of the critical insights provided by the unrefined neuroscientific model as a psychological breakdown of the courage during life-threatening events.
[SPEAKER_03]: The research team synthesized their findings from human studies, animal experimentations, and neuro-imaging data from critically ill patients to identify consistent patterns of brain activity associated with near-death experiences.
[SPEAKER_03]: These studies show that the cerebral blood flow is reduced during cardiac arrest and other critical conditions.
[SPEAKER_03]: The brain experiences a shortage of oxygen in a buildup of carbon dioxide, like what I said.
[SPEAKER_03]: These factors can lead to a variety of symptoms and can be any of these or a combination of, but it's confusion, hallucination, and feeling of being outside the body.
[SPEAKER_03]: Mm-hmm.
[SPEAKER_03]: So yeah, like I said, this study is a podge podge of many other studies together and they're kind of putting it all together.
[SPEAKER_03]: But mom.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: But like critically, your patients when they die, like they when they if they died, why they were understudy.
[SPEAKER_03]: They've seen this where the brain starts reducing blood flow and all this stuff.
[SPEAKER_02]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_03]: And it could be everything from the your body.
[SPEAKER_03]: Like it's time to call it kind of deal and your brain is just like, we're going to we're going to start down back and we're going to release the happy chemicals and the fun ones.
[SPEAKER_02]: Maybe it's maybe that's just a prepare you or whatever the next step is, you know?
[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, I mean, did not die dramatically.
[SPEAKER_03]: I'll take.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: If you're sitting there.
[SPEAKER_03]: Researchers also suggest that these physiological disturbances may trigger the brain survival mechanisms.
[SPEAKER_03]: For example, hypoxia can lead to the activation of neural circuits responsible for creating a sense of calm and disattachment from the physical body.
[SPEAKER_03]: But basically, the lack of oxygen can create this calm and distashment from the body.
[SPEAKER_03]: One of the thoughts was to basically, maybe in a adaptation, the help individuals cope with extreme stress and trauma.
[SPEAKER_03]: So they calm down and they work out how to get out of the situation they're in.
[SPEAKER_03]: OK.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's to prevent panic.
[SPEAKER_02]: Right.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: Um, additionally, the brain proposed, uh, produce a vivid imagery and response to this mental metabolic imbalance could explain the bright lights, tunnels, and all that stuff, they say.
[SPEAKER_03]: They don't have evidence for that.
[SPEAKER_03]: That's one of the thoughts they have.
[SPEAKER_03]: Right.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: But they do have that when you start having high poxia, when you start getting lack of oxygen, you can have these calm experiences and these out of bodies, and they think it's for fast problem solving, but you can get out of situations.
[SPEAKER_02]: Hmm.
[SPEAKER_03]: The involvement of altered brain activity is further supported by studies of psychedelic substances, which can induce similar states of consciousness to those described in your death experience.
[SPEAKER_03]: Psychedelics such as DMT and psilocybin, often result in visual hallucinations, a sense of unity with the universe, and encounters with mystical beings.
[SPEAKER_03]: These substance influence brain regions associated with self-awareness perception and emotional regulation.
[SPEAKER_03]: These regions are the same ones impacted in near-death experiences.
[SPEAKER_03]: OK.
[SPEAKER_03]: So what's saying similar but different?
[SPEAKER_03]: OK. Yeah, yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: Where it's the same regions that are firing at the same.
[SPEAKER_03]: In addition to the neurobiological and the psychological explanations, researchers have also considered an evolutionary perspective to the near-death experiences.
[SPEAKER_03]: The idea that the brain responds to life-threatening situations may have evolved as an adaptation to design to enhance survival.
[SPEAKER_03]: For instance, the feeling of peace and calm reported many individuals during these experiences could serve as a way to reduce panic and anxiety and face the end of the danger.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's like we already kind of said, helping you better cope with extreme stresses.
[SPEAKER_03]: Your brain is like you need to calm down to get through this.
[SPEAKER_03]: We have 30 seconds before the Saber Dude cat is going to eat us.
[SPEAKER_03]: Okay, this phenomena of life review in which individuals experience rapid recall of memories may also be an evolutionary factor.
[SPEAKER_03]: Some researchers speculate that this life flashing for your eyes could be a form of cognitive rehearsal to help individuals access their actions and decisions, potentially leading to better decision-making in the future situation.
[SPEAKER_03]: I think we've discussed that before.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's just your body's like, I need to recall everything right now to search for whatever they can to get out of whatever situation they're in.
[SPEAKER_03]: And the role of an individual's psychological state also a giant part in this.
[SPEAKER_03]: And we've talked about this with psychedelic trips, too.
[SPEAKER_03]: Basically, your mind's set going in.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: Gaby, completely do the same exact
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, drug or chemical, whatever you want to call it, but you can have opposite reactions doing the same exact thing.
[SPEAKER_03]: So they say people that have had extreme emotional damage or anxiety in life, often when they have near death experience, it's horrible, it's nightmarish.
[SPEAKER_03]: Even people say they see shadow creatures and demons like in the corners.
[SPEAKER_02]: Wow, okay.
[SPEAKER_03]: Uh, whatever the real or not, you know,
[SPEAKER_02]: All right, but it's not good.
[SPEAKER_02]: And no, anytime seen any of that stuff, it's just doesn't even feel good or you're probably like doesn't feel good.
[SPEAKER_03]: You're not supposed to be here.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: And every time we try to look at it, it just disappears.
[SPEAKER_02]: And then you look away and it's back.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's like, and I know thanks.
[SPEAKER_03]: Ah, remember, if it has wings, you can catch it with a butterfly net, and if it has horns, you can catch it with a lasso.
[SPEAKER_03]: If it has fins, you can catch it with a cast net.
[SPEAKER_02]: And if it's got a, oh no, I was just going to say you
[SPEAKER_03]: That's just an ostrich.
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, okay.
[SPEAKER_02]: I would beat one up.
[SPEAKER_03]: But yeah, so if you have anxiety and trauma, most time you're gonna have a nightmare of experience in these near-death experiences, on the opposite side, if you have a more peaceful disposition or more optimistic outlook on life, it's normally reported that you have a more positive uplifting experience, and you even, like, basically you double down on how you live.
[SPEAKER_03]: And they're still working on this, the University of Luge team is what?
[SPEAKER_02]: the lose team.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's still researching and this is still, it's early developments.
[SPEAKER_03]: This just came out at the end of last year.
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, wow.
[SPEAKER_02]: Very recent.
[SPEAKER_02]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, this article would even publish till November of last year.
[SPEAKER_03]: So they're still working on it.
[SPEAKER_03]: And it's not comprehensive whatsoever, but they're just starting to kind of piece some ideas together.
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[SPEAKER_02]: All right, near death experience.
[SPEAKER_02]: So this is just a counts of people that have had near death experiences and there's them sharing their experiences.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yes, okay, so near death experience, what was it read.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's the near death experience research foundation research foundation.
[SPEAKER_03]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_03]: So yeah, you ready for some near-death experiences?
[SPEAKER_02]: I am, I am.
[SPEAKER_03]: We're on this episode with giving you a near-death experience.
[SPEAKER_03]: With what?
[SPEAKER_03]: And giving you a near-death experience.
[SPEAKER_02]: Giving me one?
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, would record it live?
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I'm going to take a sledgehammer and try to hit you in the head and you're going to try to dodge it.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, but I already know it's not near-death because I'm good in dodge, I'm too late.
[SPEAKER_03]: As you see it coming in your eyes, good ol' big.
[SPEAKER_02]: Things slow down in my face gets smashed in.
[SPEAKER_02]: Ah, when I, you let the secret out.
[SPEAKER_03]: No, you still, it's still like your body's like, it still looks like a real such hammer.
[SPEAKER_03]: I just watched one of the prop companies make us shovel and to hit a guy with and they're like, yep, the horror movie.
[SPEAKER_03]: He really is beating this guy with the shovel.
[SPEAKER_02]: Real shovel.
[SPEAKER_03]: No, it's, it's a prop.
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, but they made it look so real.
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, I don't know why.
[SPEAKER_02]: You ever seen the movie the Punisher?
[SPEAKER_03]: No.
[SPEAKER_02]: Uh, well, it's, you know, comic book book that came out 2000s, but Kevin Nash was a played uh, henchmen in it basically, and in this, they had a fight scene where he meets the guy in his apartment, and basically he's trying to kill him, Kevin Nash basically, like his six foot 10 assassin, big buff guy.
[SPEAKER_02]: and he starts, you know, the grab on him.
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, they had to see there's seen in there where he takes a knife and he jabs it into his chest.
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, it was supposed to be a prop knife and never got switched out.
[SPEAKER_02]: So he took this knife and jabbed it right in the Kevin Nash is like chest right up here.
[SPEAKER_02]: And he just like.
[SPEAKER_02]: He said he was so just amped up from the being in the film that he didn't really need notice.
[SPEAKER_02]: So he finished.
[SPEAKER_02]: He did the whole scene with a knife.
[SPEAKER_02]: A real knife jabbed into his chest and he just went through with the scene with it.
[SPEAKER_02]: He just didn't need it in bright character.
[SPEAKER_02]: Pretty awesome.
[SPEAKER_03]: We knew a lady that had a catfish stuck at her neck and she didn't know what a catfish stuck.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, went right into her neck
[SPEAKER_03]: That wave hit somebody buzzed their boat.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, and a wave hit it as she was on hook in it for a kid.
[SPEAKER_03]: Oh, and she thought she threw it off And they were all like more to find and she's just like what then it wiggled Oh my goodness.
[SPEAKER_03]: No thanks So some of these are dark just so everybody knows They're near death experiences So to be to have them you have to be near death
[SPEAKER_03]: So we're going to talk about Carl as near-death experience first.
[SPEAKER_03]: And like I said, this is at the near-death experience research foundation, okay, very interesting page, very interesting group.
[SPEAKER_03]: So this is from this year.
[SPEAKER_03]: I'm sorry, the near-death experience was in 2015.
[SPEAKER_03]: She just turned it in this year.
[SPEAKER_03]: Carl up my boyfriend who was shot in front of me and died was there.
[SPEAKER_03]: He said, I can chill for a bit.
[SPEAKER_03]: But I have to go back soon.
[SPEAKER_03]: He told me I had to find my twins and my daughter needs me and I have to have our, I have kids waiting to be born.
[SPEAKER_03]: I still have many things to accomplish.
[SPEAKER_03]: He said it, it's just simply not my time to die.
[SPEAKER_03]: Wow.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's pretty cool.
[SPEAKER_03]: And she got this near death experience.
[SPEAKER_03]: Dude, an accidental, neurotopic overdose.
[SPEAKER_03]: Wow.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's crazy.
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, anything, we are very resilient creatures, but we're also very vulnerable.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, definitely depends.
[SPEAKER_03]: The phone is due to a combat injury.
[SPEAKER_03]: Ziko, I'm gonna go with Ziko.
[SPEAKER_03]: As I began to realize that I was dead, and who knows where space, I thought I would remain there forever, and like that on a dense lake, suddenly a small passage open at the top of the space.
[SPEAKER_03]: I saw the first stars, gradually the passage widened more and more, and I slowly rose from the dark space.
[SPEAKER_03]: I should also say that the soldier who is with me was our was alive longer, but died so quickly that he shot up like a laser beam from Earth into space.
[SPEAKER_03]: I think he or I think he directly went into heaven.
[SPEAKER_03]: Wow, really got shot in war.
[SPEAKER_03]: And he was laying there.
[SPEAKER_03]: He got revived, but his buddy that was dying next time.
[SPEAKER_03]: He saw him just shoot up through the passage.
[SPEAKER_02]: Wow, that's crazy.
[SPEAKER_03]: Malekka.
[SPEAKER_03]: You know, I think experience due to severe COVID infection, interesting appeared shared consciousness with a person who was murdered in details of murder verified later.
[SPEAKER_03]: It was her, our horizontal shaped like a rectangle with a bright yellow or just light and moved like it was fire.
[SPEAKER_03]: The, which is not good.
[SPEAKER_02]: No, probably not.
[SPEAKER_03]: I'm gonna say if you're,
[SPEAKER_03]: If you don't, if you see fire, horizontal fire, like the whole horizon, yeah, it was fire, hmm, it's I'm just going to say I don't know, I don't imagine that's good.
[SPEAKER_03]: The movement was a horizontal and was going the same direction I was traveling.
[SPEAKER_03]: I felt the thousands of prayers were being said on my behalf.
[SPEAKER_03]: I understood that the movement within the bright fire was the tens of thousands of prayers gently pushing me through the tunnel.
[SPEAKER_03]: The loving piece I felt was unlike anything I had ever experienced on Earth.
[SPEAKER_02]: Hmm.
[SPEAKER_02]: Very interesting.
[SPEAKER_03]: Sandi B.
[SPEAKER_03]: I'll never forget the feeling of peace, warmth, and freedom.
[SPEAKER_03]: It was released from everything in a way.
[SPEAKER_03]: I'll never be able to describe.
[SPEAKER_03]: Near to the experience at age 16, due to a hypertensive crisis leading to a stroke and cardiac arrest at the same time.
[SPEAKER_03]: Later verified details could not have been known from her deceased grandfather was wearing.
[SPEAKER_03]: So she seemed like some stuff that she didn't report, but she met her great-grandfather that died white, but she never met and everything like that.
[SPEAKER_03]: I persisted towards an indescribably bright light, was getting closer and bigger until I reached what seemed to be the bottom of a light glowing row.
[SPEAKER_03]: I could barely recognize the person because their hands were positioned palm up.
[SPEAKER_03]: I knew it was telling me to stop coming any further.
[SPEAKER_03]: A voice entered my mind to say it wasn't time and I had to go back.
[SPEAKER_03]: I was very upset that I had to leave the place.
[SPEAKER_03]: It was the most amazing, comfortable feeling I'd ever felt.
[SPEAKER_03]: And this was a near-death experience due to a suicide attempt at 17.
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, wow.
[SPEAKER_02]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_03]: She is now 57.
[SPEAKER_02]: Hey, that's good.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's a good end of the story on that one.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, so there's a lot of, actually, there's a lot of suicide ones.
[SPEAKER_03]: Well, keep mind to write the story.
[SPEAKER_03]: They lived.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I know.
[SPEAKER_02]: I know.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's just sad.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's just sad, though.
[SPEAKER_02]: That at so common.
[SPEAKER_02]: I guess that feeling and that people feel the need to do that.
[SPEAKER_03]: I would say, and then.
[SPEAKER_03]: real quick as a Christian one thing that gets asked a lot is how do Christians view suicide and here's what I would say in my point of view, the creator loves you so much and if you are going home or anybody you know is going through so much trauma that you can
[SPEAKER_03]: I love the loving God that I believe in would look harshly upon you.
[SPEAKER_02]: Right.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: And it didn't say it didn't talk about it in the Bible.
[SPEAKER_03]: Sorry.
[SPEAKER_03]: That's all I can tell you is it didn't talk about it in the Bible directly.
[SPEAKER_03]: There are suicides in the Bible, but it didn't, you know.
[SPEAKER_03]: I have a person to really commit suicide for those reasons.
[SPEAKER_03]: I can't, I can't see why, just personal.
[SPEAKER_03]: Oh yeah, or what's it?
[SPEAKER_02]: David H. Pump, pump, pump.
[SPEAKER_02]: Probably not the same one.
[SPEAKER_03]: Suddenly, I swung or saw the room or any figures in the room, everything was solid white.
[SPEAKER_03]: Like from a warm bright light, it's surrounded me.
[SPEAKER_03]: I felt completely waitless as if I had no physical form.
[SPEAKER_03]: I felt a total piece.
[SPEAKER_03]: It was just warm comforting light all around me.
[SPEAKER_03]: Near this experience due to a eight, no my gosh.
[SPEAKER_03]: Empathic shock from fire and stains.
[SPEAKER_02]: That would be her terrible.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, he got enough firing at bikes that he was basically dying.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I wonder what that would experience it would be.
[SPEAKER_02]: I wonder what his near the experience is going to be like, uh, I have feeling that's going to be more of the panicky ones.
[SPEAKER_03]: Here, next one's from Michael T. Uh oh.
[SPEAKER_02]: He, the sea monster ripped him out of the ship and then he saw himself.
[SPEAKER_03]: I don't know if anybody gets this like what I'm like, why I'm picking some of these names.
[SPEAKER_03]: Oh, I know why.
[SPEAKER_03]: I know why you are.
[SPEAKER_03]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_03]: Us, and then this is from a near-death experience due to pneumonia and ethemuria at age six.
[SPEAKER_03]: They're now 69 years old, okay?
[SPEAKER_03]: So this is from a six-year-old's point of view.
[SPEAKER_03]: A senior orb appears.
[SPEAKER_03]: It was a male who has authority.
[SPEAKER_03]: His voice is very commanding.
[SPEAKER_03]: You must decide now, your time is almost up.
[SPEAKER_03]: You choose not to suffer anymore, you can come with us.
[SPEAKER_03]: You will be given a better body, but you must choose now.
[SPEAKER_03]: And you chose to go back to his parents.
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, yeah, basically that was an abduction.
[SPEAKER_02]: He about experience.
[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, experiences with angels can be very, very terrifying.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: And that's kind of like I've read it.
[SPEAKER_02]: I read it is like one of those, uh, alien kid abduction ships like comes down and hey kid, like come with us, but you have to choose, you know what I mean?
[SPEAKER_02]: You get a brand new body, things will be great.
[SPEAKER_02]: Come on, candy in here too.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I just got a new puppy you can play with.
[SPEAKER_03]: I'll share my dad's real quick, and then we'll move on to the next thing, the Twainland Gram experiment.
[SPEAKER_03]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_03]: And why we did them together, is because I think they're connected, but that's a personal opinion.
[SPEAKER_03]: But, um, if I didn't know, my dad is legally been dead twice.
[SPEAKER_03]: Uh, the first time was like, I always get it wrong, but like, seven or eight minutes.
[SPEAKER_03]: Next time was only like a handful of minutes.
[SPEAKER_03]: Okay, but the first time he died, he went through the dark tunnel, he seen the light, he got out into a field of his favorite flowers.
[SPEAKER_03]: And across the field he seen and felt like the great presence of love, like love.
[SPEAKER_03]: kind of like that lady was feeling with the fire and she's seen the felt like people prayers and everything yeah but he could feel everybody like all this past loved ones and what he felt you know the presence of God and then he said he felt this he didn't wouldn't like words but almost how they talk about like in your mind but he felt like this giant force or a hand pushing him back saying not yet and then he woke up after he'd got I believe it
[SPEAKER_03]: uh, and then when he died the second time, he just got to the edge of the field.
[SPEAKER_02]: He didn't even make it to the field.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: He was in the field the last time.
[SPEAKER_02]: Gotcha.
[SPEAKER_02]: What do you feel like?
[SPEAKER_02]: Did he feel like he got pushed back?
[SPEAKER_02]: We got pulled back or he got, yeah, he felt like or did he turn around and walk back?
[SPEAKER_03]: No, no, no, who, like, what he feels is like, God, and I'm not going to talk for him.
[SPEAKER_03]: Right, right, right.
[SPEAKER_03]: Well, like push him back into it, like push him back.
[SPEAKER_02]: And at Earth, basically.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: Wow.
[SPEAKER_02]: I have to ask my dad if he ever, my dad's never talked about that stuff.
[SPEAKER_02]: But I can only imagine.
[SPEAKER_02]: when he got burnt really bad that he had to have some kind of traumatic he has to or he went so far the other way like past it like where your brain is just like one soldier's losing lemon stuff like that and they talk about like just walking around yeah well I don't know I if anyone don't know my dad got severely burnt by plastic and uh
[SPEAKER_02]: But he said it, he said it hurt with the most painful thing wasn't getting burned.
[SPEAKER_03]: He said the most painful thing was then removing it removing the plastic I wasn't laughing your dad got burned but just like.
[SPEAKER_02]: him just say yeah it was it hurt try it like I wouldn't imagine well he's molten plastic using my skin yeah exactly the doctor said that because he went for in the hospital for really bad kidney stones once that's about the only I've ever seen like slow my dad down ever was a kidney stone he said multiple it sucks I'll tell you that
[SPEAKER_02]: And yeah, I mean, he was doing, where my first time I ever experienced it, we were in Florida, I think we only been in Florida vacation as kids like once or twice, but it was one of those times, and he was doing laps around the hotel, grabbing a stomach like hunched over, just walking and walking, and we're in, I thought, and he was, is it?
[SPEAKER_02]: He was going to die, kill my dad, yeah, even though I was like 10, maybe.
[SPEAKER_02]: But uh, he said that the doctor asked him on a scale of one at 10, you know, what is it?
[SPEAKER_02]: And he said, you know, nine.
[SPEAKER_02]: And then I got, and then they're like, well, you've been, was you burnt, were you burnt?
[SPEAKER_02]: He was like, oh, yeah, because they said anyone, everyone says a 10 for kidney stones.
[SPEAKER_02]: Everyone says 10.
[SPEAKER_02]: He said nine because he'd been severely burnt.
[SPEAKER_03]: Because then his burnt almost burnt to death by molten plastic.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, that one's a 10.
[SPEAKER_03]: He's like, yeah, you know, I've experienced one level up.
[SPEAKER_02]: So I, so I am experiencing now I have to imagine he had to have gone through something but I've never he's never talked about it.
[SPEAKER_02]: I've never asked him.
[SPEAKER_03]: Like I said, I can just see him completely going patty because that was so devastating.
[SPEAKER_03]: I can see him going completely past that kind of phase and just going into just shock blackout mode.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, just like, you know, we're going to tap out.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's all blur.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I thought you are dead like we're just we're dead.
[SPEAKER_02]: So they're trying to pull him into the field and he's come on Got his arms and legs up in the door frame.
[SPEAKER_03]: You know you have nothing to go back to your body is laying a pile of molten plastic I mean, he came back to it.
[SPEAKER_03]: Thank goodness Oh, yeah, the 21 gram experiment The 21 gram experiment that tried to weigh a human soul in 1907 Duncan McDougall.
[SPEAKER_03]: Oh, lovely name Duncan McDougall
[SPEAKER_03]: put up dyeing or put dyeing patients on a scale.
[SPEAKER_03]: A light-toned painting shows a body wrapped in a white shroud laying on a bed or a stone slab.
[SPEAKER_03]: Above the body is a translucent ghostly figure with long hair and white garments flowing away, reaching with upper alarms.
[SPEAKER_03]: A framed window in the left shows the room where veiled a blue sky and green hills with mountain distances.
[SPEAKER_03]: The style of a soft and ethereal suggestion departed of a soul.
[SPEAKER_03]: This is a William Duke's 1805 illustration of a Scottish poets Robert Blair's poem The Grave.
[SPEAKER_03]: Basically kind of showing this idea.
[SPEAKER_03]: It is a little complicated to weigh a dying person on a hospital bed, but that didn't matter to dunk in McDougall.
[SPEAKER_03]: In the early 20th century, Medukul's unique purpose-built scales were ready to receive test subjects.
[SPEAKER_03]: How do you go about asking people?
[SPEAKER_02]: I'd imagine you're already at like some kind of...
[SPEAKER_02]: not hospice center, but you know, uh, just to place where people are, there's a time limit.
[SPEAKER_03]: You're aware of the hospice patients and a lot of like that before.
[SPEAKER_03]: And uh, along some of them mentally, they are in some of them aren't.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: But some of the mentally ill ones are not mentally ill.
[SPEAKER_03]: The mentally well ones.
[SPEAKER_03]: If you kind of talk to them about it, like, I want to see how much your soul weighs when you die.
[SPEAKER_03]: Some of them would be like,
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I mean I can see it going both ways like honestly like what do I have to do and they're like well, we're just gonna put a scale in your bed Yeah, so when you die we know I would want to be part of that I'd be like that doesn't bother me.
[SPEAKER_02]: Like actually I would ask Wait a minute, it'd be like actually it's double edged sword here because it didn't have like a weird vacuum in the corner Well, that's not that I don't want that not even that that's ready for me Yeah, I'm at more like like being an organ donor
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, like okay, are they gonna actually revive me at the hospital or are they gonna look and see like brain dead But a lot of good organs We're not gonna revive.
[SPEAKER_03]: I've told that whole story of that guy that woke up when they were starting harvest.
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh real.
[SPEAKER_03]: Oh gosh You came to consciousness there.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, they already had some of the stuff out.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, yeah, I don't know so it if being part of this and by the way People that does happen that does happen It's happened whether it's malicious or not it's a different question because
[SPEAKER_02]: No, I don't have a marked on mind if I do and I regret it.
[SPEAKER_02]: This is back when I was more open to the world being people in like hospitals being good.
[SPEAKER_02]: You know what I mean?
[SPEAKER_02]: Like not nurses and stuff like that.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm talking about the people running and controlling the hospitals turning them into profit over people kind of hospitals, which they're all at way now.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's the most part and anyone that's not is independent run and they're shunned from the medical
[SPEAKER_02]: That world or family.
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't know.
[SPEAKER_02]: They're not allowed in so to speak.
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't even remember what got me on to that tangent, but I don't want to I wouldn't I probably now And reflection wouldn't want to be part of this experience because I'd be if two afraid that they're gonna just go to murder me long as they don't have like the ghost busters like Protein pack and yeah protein pack Proton pack I know but protein packs better The one is I don't have that in the corner when the guy comes to talk to me
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, like, gosh, yeah, I wouldn't know.
[SPEAKER_03]: Thank you, but no, I mean, I'm a bunch of people would be like, yeah, maybe.
[SPEAKER_02]: Okay, but back to the camera.
[SPEAKER_03]: He's ready to receive.
[SPEAKER_03]: So 1907, who do you think the majority of people like were dying?
[SPEAKER_03]: Who could you ask like a big group of people?
[SPEAKER_02]: 1907?
[SPEAKER_03]: Mm-hmm.
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't know.
[SPEAKER_03]: To break your losses, patience.
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, okay, okay.
[SPEAKER_03]: One of the first was a tuberculosis patient described by the New York Times as an ordinary man with a usual American temperament.
[SPEAKER_03]: It was placed on the bed when he was near death.
[SPEAKER_03]: With Medugal and other doctors watching over him, the man died.
[SPEAKER_03]: In Medugal noticed the scale dropped its counterweight with a surprising quickness.
[SPEAKER_03]: So I was like, he had other doctors in the room, right?
[SPEAKER_03]: The second to do died through counterweight measurement dropped, like fast.
[SPEAKER_02]: Now I have an account or argument, okay?
[SPEAKER_02]: They say when you pass away, that you void your bowels.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, so maybe a little piece of poop shot out and then at this speed of light.
[SPEAKER_02]: At this speed of light.
[SPEAKER_03]: Maybe stuff like that.
[SPEAKER_03]: Just so you know, in his experiments, why he designed this bed?
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, so everything stayed on the bed.
[SPEAKER_02]: projectile every human shoots 21 grams of poo out precisely it's just don't stay behind him trust me.
[SPEAKER_03]: With me do go another doctor watching over the man died and that counterweight scaled dropped with his pricing quickness.
[SPEAKER_03]: The scale displayed the weight that had been lost with death three fours of an ounce aka 21 grams.
[SPEAKER_03]: McDougal had his results in weight and the weight of a human soul are
[SPEAKER_03]: They do go hope to discover whether a human soul had a mass with his macop experimentation.
[SPEAKER_03]: And if so, how much with his tests or his tests with patients, later known as a 21-gram experiments, were eliminated by their sample size and were quoted as poorly designed.
[SPEAKER_03]: Nonetheless, the experiment had endured through the decades, spawning movies, books, and television episodes, and other recreations.
[SPEAKER_03]: Part of the way MacDoo experiment existed was because its attempt to prove are have provided a hard proof of the ethereal.
[SPEAKER_03]: In the same way that people look for scientific proof of heaven or an afterlife, I'm do Google asked a question to occupy the philosopher's and scientists for millennia.
[SPEAKER_03]: The 21-gram experiment showed us how many of the life's mysteries remain unsolved.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm going to look it up really quick because I'm sure it's already happened, but there's if there's not already a band with the name 21-grams.
[SPEAKER_02]: You're missing out, or at least, name an album called 21 Grams, and then music for the soul.
[SPEAKER_03]: The experiment rooted in spiritualism and scientific and science.
[SPEAKER_03]: The dogle is working in the time of the spiritualism hierarchy.
[SPEAKER_03]: A belief that person's spirit persisted after death is able to be contacted, sometimes in bizarre ways, scientists and doctors as well as mediums and theologians carried out numerous experiments and parlor tricks to establish relationships between spirituals and spirits and matter.
[SPEAKER_03]: Published in 1907, the Journal of American Society of Physics Research, like Douglas paper was named, hypothesis concerning soul substances together with experimental evidence of a existence of such substances.
[SPEAKER_03]: That is immeasible.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, it was.
[SPEAKER_03]: One of his key ideas was that a personality or caution is persisted beyond death.
[SPEAKER_03]: And it may occupy more physical space than the body or was thought.
[SPEAKER_03]: To him, it was impossible that a soul could be nothing but ethereal.
[SPEAKER_03]: Therefore, he decided that the mass of a soul would disappear once the body, not like at the death.
[SPEAKER_03]: He tested it.
[SPEAKER_03]: It doesn't sound like the kind of who Tarot card reading stuff that other people said, Marie Roach, the author of Spook Science tracks the afterlife.
[SPEAKER_03]: So he basically, this experiment, Madugal created a set of extremely extensive scales.
[SPEAKER_03]: That way, the dying, he knew weight loss could occur after death come from breath leaving the body and the evacuation of bowels or bladder or even sweat evaporation.
[SPEAKER_03]: So he tested and accounted for these issues.
[SPEAKER_03]: For example, he calculated the sweat evaporation at the rate of 160th and ounce per minute after death.
[SPEAKER_03]: We also weighed himself breathing full in and full out, many times, neither of which had any effect on the scales.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's been interesting.
[SPEAKER_03]: Which makes sense?
[SPEAKER_02]: It does, yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: Each of my dogle six patients, five men and one woman still lost a sudden small amount of weight at the moment of death.
[SPEAKER_03]: Was it all the same amount?
[SPEAKER_03]: Result confirmed a due-go-sold departure of the body in his mind.
[SPEAKER_03]: Uh, he noted that for some patients, it was difficult to measure the weight loss accurately.
[SPEAKER_03]: One patient died while he was adjusting this scale.
[SPEAKER_02]: So that one don't count.
[SPEAKER_03]: In addition, there was a good deal of interference by people opposite to our opposed to his work.
[SPEAKER_03]: his paper he described the interference only a fraction of the part of officials in the institution without further elaborating basically that other doctors had to be there at the time and stuff like that right and he claimed that during some of his things that other doctors screw with his results sabotaging basically yeah throw an apple at it or something i mean they could have uh when he's like dying they run over the check on the patient so they're touching the bed that kind of deal right yeah i mean anything to throw a set throw it off
[SPEAKER_03]: After public, our publicity around the experiment grew, we do goal faced harsh criticisms.
[SPEAKER_03]: While he'd said somewhere support from a religious minded people, scientists found it that sample size way too small, mythology was flawed and results were inconsistent.
[SPEAKER_03]: That's that first part where he did do these experiments.
[SPEAKER_03]: He tried to use it scientifically as far as he was concerned.
[SPEAKER_03]: But he only had six patients, which is way too small.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's very small.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: But I mean, but they all as far as all.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: So that's saying something right there.
[SPEAKER_02]: In my opinion, I mean, if he's accountant for the obvious, like you said, uh, the excrement, uh, you've sweat evaporating anything that breathing, you know, like spelling of gases, uh, I'm trying to think of any other obvious sort of thing, but I don't know.
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, uh, covering all of those.
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, if you're getting a result, something you're losing a small amount of weight each time you die, there's something there.
[SPEAKER_03]: So after these experiments, MeduGul then worked on other ideas, including using X-rays to photograph a human soul.
[SPEAKER_03]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_03]: In 1911, the story in the New York Times titled, picturing a soul.
[SPEAKER_03]: Explain how MeduGul had copied the experiment from medical electrician, Dr. W. J. Cleaner, known for his studies on human oras.
[SPEAKER_03]: Okay, I think I've heard of him before.
[SPEAKER_03]: McDougal intended to photograph and display a soul.
[SPEAKER_03]: Wait, what was his last name?
[SPEAKER_03]: Clinin, Clinin.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's not Curlian.
[SPEAKER_03]: K-I-L-N-E-R. K-I-L.
[SPEAKER_03]: I don't think it's K-L-N-R. K-L-N-R. K. McDougal intended to photograph and display a soul and describe the presence with a resilient x-ray slides as a light resembled that of an inner stellar ether.
[SPEAKER_02]: There's this thing called curly infotography.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's what I thought.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I think, uh, lady.
[SPEAKER_02]: Uh, I guess, either coin, not coin a term because it was named after a Russian scientist photographer.
[SPEAKER_02]: But her name is Thelma Wood and she continued their experiments here in the US and she threw that technology or whatever that photography techniques they were using.
[SPEAKER_02]: They could see like a aura around the human body like energy.
[SPEAKER_02]: If you almost looks like a small fire of glowing all around you and they showed up in different colors and then they actually had two people basically sit almost face to face and they could
[SPEAKER_02]: it was capturing basically energy coming off him mixing yeah kind of in a sense yes yes and no because she told them the two people to just think about think about like desires they didn't know each other but basically she told them the staring to each other's eyes and just think about uh like let your emotions in your desires run wild don't say it out loud but just think it all in your head
[SPEAKER_02]: And, you know, whether it be, you know, love or sexual desire anything like that, it was just connecting with that other person, but it was just staring at each other's eyes and basically what she captured was a literal almost connection where the energy almost touched together like lightning and actually created a visible spark quote unquote, at least that's what the camera caught their energy.
[SPEAKER_02]: created.com.
[SPEAKER_02]: There was like a formation of light where the two energies touched and it is pretty interesting stuff.
[SPEAKER_02]: Curlian photography and I think it's curly and with a K. So if anyone wants to look that explore that at home a little bit.
[SPEAKER_03]: According to the Times, the Google believed that photographing the soul was not hard.
[SPEAKER_03]: In fact, he said anybody could do it.
[SPEAKER_03]: Nine years later, though, Meducle died.
[SPEAKER_03]: Mr. and circumstances at 54, leaving behind far more questions than he ever answered.
[SPEAKER_02]: So he was in the midst of his experimentations and his research and he's gone.
[SPEAKER_03]: Madam Roach, which was another like just person into this kind of field, said he was definitely in one of a kind in a way, he was the best kind of scientist because he was so curious.
[SPEAKER_03]: He didn't really care what other people thought or were going to say about him.
[SPEAKER_03]: Everyone, or even a hundred years later, Meduels experiments continue to surface.
[SPEAKER_02]: Good.
[SPEAKER_02]: No, I mean, we need more people like that in the world, especially today.
[SPEAKER_03]: A few years later, in 1930s, R.A. Walters used sealed chambers to examine animals the moment of death.
[SPEAKER_03]: Out of which, apparently, came a cloud of vapors that he called the immaterial body of a soul.
[SPEAKER_03]: After a law of interest for 70 years, another reincarnation was carried out in 2001 by physicist who enduced athlete Lewis Hulbert, who tried to measure whether sheep lose weight when they die.
[SPEAKER_03]: 2005, physicist Garnold, new film, proposed another experiment, Nefum suggested surrounding the body with electromagnetic detectors to detect energy of a or a soul escaping to the suddenly was conducted.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's an interesting one.
[SPEAKER_02]: That would be.
[SPEAKER_02]: I wonder if someone actually has done that now.
[SPEAKER_03]: So since his McDougall's 21 gram experiments, nobody's really either found and
[SPEAKER_02]: What no one's really, no one's really disproved it, I guess, right?
[SPEAKER_03]: No, it's still popular in media.
[SPEAKER_03]: Now many ethics committees won't let people test it.
[SPEAKER_03]: Wonder why.
[SPEAKER_03]: But it's interesting whether he was faultier or not.
[SPEAKER_03]: A lot of people say it was faulty, but I a lot of people said it wasn't.
[SPEAKER_02]: All right, yesterday, a lot of people can say a lot of stuff's faulty, and it's not.
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, yeah, I'm just whatever the science wants at the time.
[SPEAKER_02]: So do you think a soul weighs 21 grams?
[SPEAKER_02]: I think I believe that we all do have a soul.
[SPEAKER_02]: Now, I don't know what a soul is, but I think we all per possession of one.
[SPEAKER_02]: We all are a soul, like we are energy at the end of the day.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I don't think energy, I'm a grants with that energy can't be destroyed nor created.
[SPEAKER_02]: And unless you got some giant high-drawn client or that you're super charged, and then maybe you can create some sort of energy.
[SPEAKER_02]: What demon beings, if you wanted, I'm sure.
[SPEAKER_03]: What if that?
[SPEAKER_03]: Okay, we recorded these out of sequence.
[SPEAKER_03]: What if the large hydron collider is a soul collector?
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: Is it giant?
[SPEAKER_02]: Collective soul.
[SPEAKER_02]: They have that song.
[SPEAKER_02]: Giant hydron collider.
[SPEAKER_02]: No, wait, it's not that called.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's not called that.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's called the world, I know, I think.
[SPEAKER_03]: Keep that in mind, everybody, for Wednesday.
[SPEAKER_02]: Hmm.
[SPEAKER_03]: Here's, there's a hint for the future.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, future, but yeah, I do.
[SPEAKER_02]: I think I was going to ask you, do you think these experiments like they just do with the animals?
[SPEAKER_03]: Or is that fall in the, well, it's because the reason they moved into the animal stuff is because they ethics communities.
[SPEAKER_03]: Well, no, I get that, but I'm saying that if it does, they purposely ended the life of those animals in those experiments.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: So it was easy to tell when they were gonna die because they'd hit a button.
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, no, I know, they would die.
[SPEAKER_02]: But do animals have souls?
[SPEAKER_02]: Do all dogs go to heaven?
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, we did a patreon episode about this.
[SPEAKER_02]: Right.
[SPEAKER_02]: Or yes, no.
[SPEAKER_03]: So, I mean, what, in my opinion is yes, no.
[SPEAKER_02]: What was coming out of these animals?
[SPEAKER_03]: Look.
[SPEAKER_03]: Huh?
[SPEAKER_03]: The little poo, the truth of light speed.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's what that steam was coming out of there.
[SPEAKER_02]: That barrel was still hot, so to say.
[SPEAKER_02]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_02]: Excuse me.
[SPEAKER_02]: I think we all do have souls.
[SPEAKER_02]: I think our body is just a vessel for our soul to experience emotions on earth.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I think your heart senses the world around your body and your brain is your receiver to interpret and to move your body around to so you can navigate this magical world known
[SPEAKER_03]: I will say, going back to the 21 gram experiments, as far as my research goes that he tried to be a scientific as possible for them, and a lot of the people that was forced to be around him during the experiments due to the nature of the experiments.
[SPEAKER_03]: Uh, did not like it or thought it was such whoy that I, I do believe in purposeful sabotaging or not care.
[SPEAKER_03]: It may be not caring where doctors were dealing with the dying patients and they just thought his, his little, he was sitting in the corner, they just did not care and there's also that.
[SPEAKER_03]: So like they would go over and have to treat the patient and then he'd have to go over and recalibrate it because it was such, he was trying to measure such tiny things.
[SPEAKER_02]: but there's also that part of the of the science and modern day science where
[SPEAKER_02]: They refuse anything to blend what it could be spiritual into something that's Experimental and measured and it has to be this way and you can't believe in Faith you can't faith in nothing and measure it all that unless it's like the big bang or something And that's fine because that's our thing we made that up so we can use that but you can't if it proves that God might exist It's not science the big bang is faith-based frame.
[SPEAKER_03]: I didn't
[SPEAKER_02]: It's just face, it's no different than saying God create everything with this, well, I think there's more evidence and saying God create everything than there is in a big bang.
[SPEAKER_03]: I just think my personal belief, yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: I think there's a lot more evidence.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I think anyone that actually takes the time and cares about cares about it and searches, researchers, it experiments it themselves.
[SPEAKER_02]: You'll come to that conclusion that it just makes more sense.
[SPEAKER_03]: Well, I have been the great and powerful mystery, and I have been a J clone.
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't even remember what started this episode.
[SPEAKER_02]: 19 15.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: It was.
[SPEAKER_02]: I think it would be got 19 that you tried to sneak in here after we threw.
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