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[SPEAKER_01]: Hello, everybody, and welcome to the SuperJaycast.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm Joel, and joined by Damon McDonald.
[SPEAKER_01]: It is Wednesday, 8th of July, 1226.
[SPEAKER_01]: This is episode 416.
[SPEAKER_01]: I've got the MacBook fix with back on the YouTube's.
[SPEAKER_01]: You're all excited and ready to go to Chicago.
[SPEAKER_01]: No world cup for all today.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's full attention, full steam ahead for the Great One Climax, have we feeling?
[SPEAKER_02]: Let's go, let's do it.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, feelin' pretty good.
[SPEAKER_02]: Again, I'm not the best flyer,
[SPEAKER_02]: between me and usual, first class, takes care of that pretty easily.
[SPEAKER_02]: You haven't seen mine.
[SPEAKER_02]: It wasn't that much more expensive, I feel a little bit more expensive.
[SPEAKER_02]: And then, you know, I got the club access, so I'll be doing fucking old fashions at six o'clock in the morning.
[SPEAKER_02]: And an ambient, not an ambient.
[SPEAKER_02]: as any.
[SPEAKER_02]: Just to kind of ease me into the flight situation, because you know me, not the best flight, but I'm excited.
[SPEAKER_02]: We, all the plans are lined up, all the itinerary is set.
[SPEAKER_02]: The weather looks to be cooperating with us.
[SPEAKER_02]: I was a little worried.
[SPEAKER_02]: because it was a little worried about, you know, getting together on Friday night.
[SPEAKER_02]: If you're a $10 tier subscriber and going to the show, you would have all those details.
[SPEAKER_02]: And also all of a sudden, you'll just finalize such as so it would be just good.
[SPEAKER_02]: So we're looking forward to that.
[SPEAKER_02]: And then Saturday we have afternoon plans with a lot of the voices of wrestling gang.
[SPEAKER_02]: And others, and then right off to the show, so in which we'll be enjoying a sweet, we have two sweet, do they read correctly?
[SPEAKER_02]: So lots of people, lots of fun.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm excited for the show.
[SPEAKER_02]: I wish you were there, Joel, but yeah, again, hopefully for the people who cannot be in attendance in a shocking move.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm doing video content.
[SPEAKER_02]: It will be a daily vlogs vlogs and again, if you can't make it, if you're a $10 tier subscriber, you'll have access to those.
[SPEAKER_01]: So, uh, there's no if, right, every single person.
[SPEAKER_01]: who is listening to this show now.
[SPEAKER_01]: If you're not on the $10 tier, you need to do that now, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: Now is the perfect time to be jumping up.
[SPEAKER_01]: And there are no excuses not to do it.
[SPEAKER_02]: Really?
[SPEAKER_01]: We are on the door step of G1 climax.
[SPEAKER_01]: And not only are you going to be getting all the stuff at the $10 subscriber's usually get, which is live streaming on YouTube off the SuperJacass every week.
[SPEAKER_01]: bonus shows coming out of my ass.
[SPEAKER_01]: I still get a great show.
[SPEAKER_01]: I just uploaded recently, we review in the New Japan DDT crossover show with odd jobs.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's a great listen.
[SPEAKER_01]: And just constantly there is bonus audio coming out, me and you talking to interesting people.
[SPEAKER_01]: You get access to the Delhi where there is regular breaking news that no one else has access to even.
[SPEAKER_01]: Earlier today, there was an exclusive gun up about a member of the New Japan roster who is departing the company and you know, you're not going to find it elsewhere.
[SPEAKER_01]: You're going to get access to the vault.
[SPEAKER_01]: which, for any New Japan fan and a pre-show of New Japan history, that is an absolute must.
[SPEAKER_01]: And you will be getting daily grade one climax audio.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's correct.
[SPEAKER_01]: From myself, from you, Damon, we're going to be reviewing the shows as and when they happen with Red Hot instant fresh takes on the show.
[SPEAKER_01]: None of this business.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, you got a weight for the weekly podcast drop, and we're going to talk about a show that happened six days ago, that note because, Mark, no, you're going to hear
[SPEAKER_01]: Thank you.
[SPEAKER_01]: As soon as the show's finished, we're going to be on the airwaves, not live, but it will be uploaded in the timely manner.
[SPEAKER_01]: And you're going to be hearing our reactions and our honest and insightful analysis about the shows and how the story lines are unfolding, and I think, even if I say so myself, I didn't outstanding job with that last year, and with you sharing the load is going to be even better.
[SPEAKER_01]: Plus all the bonus stuff you're gonna be doing from your trip to Chicago like what more could you possibly want like it like I said there is no excuse For not getting on that 10 dollar tier now, just give it a try if you if you don't like you just cancel at the end of the month That's fine.
[SPEAKER_01]: We'll be okay with that.
[SPEAKER_01]: Just give it a try because you will love it
[SPEAKER_01]: I think so.
[SPEAKER_02]: And again, for ten measly dollars, again, I like to say I don't like to spend people's money, but for ten measly dollars, all of that and more.
[SPEAKER_02]: So again, I can't see why not.
[SPEAKER_02]: But, you know, the world's a wacky place.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I think you, I think if you're a five dollar tier, it's worth the upgrade.
[SPEAKER_02]: If you, again, we're thinking about it,
[SPEAKER_02]: Now's a great time to get in, because again, yep, just as Joel described, especially the deli, we had some breaking news that no one else had, but us, and yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: So get on that 10, 10 measly dollars.
[SPEAKER_02]: And again, if you think this, it stinks, just cancel and be like fuck that, I'm out, I don't think you will.
[SPEAKER_02]: I think I think you'll enjoy it.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'll tell you what though.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's going to be a very busy day on Saturday.
[SPEAKER_01]: Is it Saturday when the G1 show is correct?
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_01]: Because also on Saturday, we've got some tasty fee for World Cup quarterfinals to look for too.
[SPEAKER_01]: So much as half of the day, since we last spoke in the world.
[SPEAKER_02]: So just as an FYI, I, I, I, I subscribed to YouTube TV.
[SPEAKER_02]: So with that, I'll be able to watch it live if necessary on my phone, or tablet device.
[SPEAKER_02]: So yeah, I'm actually like, I'm hoping there's a TV somewhere around in that arena, but if not, I'll be set because if the show's such things my tensions band's going right there aren't right there.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, a lot has happened in the last week of World Cup action.
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know, you're not a particularly diehard football fan, but what events from the World Cup have kind of permeated your own sphere of...
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, aware of this.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, first of all, you know, go ahead.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yep, if the doors for me, I'm not here, all right, first of all.
[SPEAKER_02]: I heard the banging.
[SPEAKER_02]: Was this somebody at the door?
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, it's my wife, you know, she doesn't give a fuck that I'm recording.
[SPEAKER_01]: Absolutely, no respects for what we're doing here.
[SPEAKER_01]: But I've given up, trying to knock her about it.
[SPEAKER_02]: She understands what we do and how we do it and how there's extra income coming in.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yes, she likes that.
[SPEAKER_01]: She likes spending the money.
[SPEAKER_01]: But the bit about being quite what I'm recording.
[SPEAKER_01]: Not so keen on that one.
[SPEAKER_02]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_02]: All right.
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, we're up.
[SPEAKER_02]: So first, I had to address the elephant in the room.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I cannot believe.
[SPEAKER_02]: You would talk about FIFA very negatively.
[SPEAKER_02]: And, you know, I kind of forms my attitude with FIFA with that.
[SPEAKER_02]: And again, just a shit that I have read in the past about that.
[SPEAKER_02]: The fact that there was even a discussion outside of the realm of the FIFA Board of Governors.
[SPEAKER_02]: that someone had a politician from the United States had to get involved and then the decision was suede.
[SPEAKER_02]: That is just vomit inducing.
[SPEAKER_02]: Like could you imagine like in any other sport that
[SPEAKER_02]: Help me out because Joe correct me wrong.
[SPEAKER_02]: There was no There were no grounds for a review right you can't review the red card and they made a special case and then the dude wound up playing and they got ballooned Anyway, but what the fuck was that all about?
[SPEAKER_02]: Exactly.
[SPEAKER_02]: My thoughts exactly.
[SPEAKER_02]: Dead sounds.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think he's taking it.
[SPEAKER_01]: So the YouTube subscribers have heard me shouting at Esther there because she's just come up and not we've got a coffin.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I've always said that FIFA's been.
[SPEAKER_01]: But now they just, they keep sinking to new lows.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's unbelievable.
[SPEAKER_01]: And it's unbelievable.
[SPEAKER_01]: There's no, there's no bump to this thing.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like, it's rigged.
[SPEAKER_01]: And at least there was some sort of plausible, sort of suspicious disbelief that there was some kind of this portignarate involvement.
[SPEAKER_01]: Now that is just completely off the table here.
[SPEAKER_01]: And the fact that,
[SPEAKER_01]: Donny Trump can call up his mate, Johnny and Fanti, you know, and get that suspension.
[SPEAKER_01]: Not even over turn.
[SPEAKER_01]: It wasn't even like, oh, can you take another look at this?
[SPEAKER_01]: We don't think it's a regular car.
[SPEAKER_01]: Which even in and of itself would, it's probably totally unacceptable.
[SPEAKER_01]: But they still, not only did they, it wasn't that they overturned it.
[SPEAKER_01]: They just postpone the suspension.
[SPEAKER_01]: So like, no, we still think it's a red card.
[SPEAKER_01]: We still agree with that.
[SPEAKER_01]: And he's still gonna have a suspension, but it's gonna be later.
[SPEAKER_01]: So he can play this world cup match, which to be fair, like they did before, they did for Ronaldo.
[SPEAKER_01]: He was supposed to be having a band, but they postpone that.
[SPEAKER_01]: So he could play in some of the world cup games.
[SPEAKER_01]: I never thought I would be kind of clamoring for the return of the previous president of FIFA, set Blatter, who, you know, it's like literal books written about how corrupt it is, but even he was critical of what's going on.
[SPEAKER_01]: And when he's the voice of reason, the room's saying, this is getting a bit silly now.
[SPEAKER_01]: You need to take a long hard look at yourself.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's just, there's no bottom to this thing, Damon.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I just, very curious to see if there are any repercussions
[SPEAKER_01]: actually gets dealt with at all if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if
[SPEAKER_01]: attention and the hype for the game was on Trump and in Fantino and almost, they felt like flow ballad game.
[SPEAKER_01]: It wasn't really about him at all.
[SPEAKER_01]: It was like kind of immaterial, whether who the player was that involved.
[SPEAKER_01]: It was more the process that I got behind it.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I think it made the USA into a bit of a
[SPEAKER_01]: a laughing stock.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think it fired up the Belgian team who were not that good, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: Let's there's been honest here.
[SPEAKER_01]: They've been pretty poor this tournament, but they were fired up by and they just absolutely tore the USA to shreds.
[SPEAKER_01]: So the hopeful was just an absolutely disaster class.
[SPEAKER_01]: And it was, I was gonna say, like it had been a really great tournament lot of exciting matches, good comebacks.
[SPEAKER_01]: And
[SPEAKER_01]: kind of almost sort of by accident who was becoming a bit of a PR win for the USA, you know, hosting a tournament like this, we such great football going on.
[SPEAKER_01]: And it seemed like, oh, maybe the legacy for this thing is going to be a positive one.
[SPEAKER_01]: People will look fondly on this world cup and have great memories of all the action and all the, you know, superstar players firing on all cylinders and great stories and comebacks and everything.
[SPEAKER_01]: But
[SPEAKER_01]: just instantly making it all about himself and then in Fantino with his groveling, sick of Fancy, just exposing the whole thing to be an absolute sham and now that's caused fans to be questioning everything.
[SPEAKER_01]: Everything that happens now, like that Egypt's Argentine again, a few dodgy decisions there
[SPEAKER_01]: perfectly fine-looking goal from my point of view of the Egypts, having chalked off for a very minor infraction that happened about 12 minutes before the goal was actually scored.
[SPEAKER_01]: And now people are sort of thinking, well, where's the bottom of this?
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, how much of this is fixed?
[SPEAKER_01]: Is this just like the football version of WWE?
[SPEAKER_01]: Is this been predetermined?
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, okay, it's now very obvious that
[SPEAKER_01]: significant parties have got their fingers on the scales here, which definitely affects my enjoyment of watching it.
[SPEAKER_01]: I would love to see England going knock out Argentina after all that, but we got to get past Norway first, which is no, not a given, but it's a shame.
[SPEAKER_01]: I thought our win against Mexico, the Aztec estate was just fantastic.
[SPEAKER_01]: Work tremendous event and really iconic performance, iconic result for English football that I think is going to be looked back
[SPEAKER_01]: for many, many years with pride and rightly so.
[SPEAKER_01]: But then, 24 hours later, then it's just suddenly, yesterday's news, because Donald Trump needs to be the main character of everything.
[SPEAKER_02]: It was, again, whatever your political beliefs are.
[SPEAKER_02]: OK, I'm even willing to say, I put it aside, and we're talking about the sport and whatever.
[SPEAKER_02]: But
[SPEAKER_02]: Like, again, could you imagine this occurring in baseball, in American football, in hockey, in anything, calling up Gary Beppen, yes, I would like you to overturn that, go, like what, what are you talking about?
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm talking WWE, Raw, Heal, Jen, Romanticist, story, right, isn't it?
[SPEAKER_02]: Right, it really is.
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh my god, like that really took me out of shit because here's the thing, and I think it took a lot of people
[SPEAKER_02]: Look, you know, as well as I do football's not the sport, it is here that it is in other countries.
[SPEAKER_02]: So it's always been, you know, every four years, everybody's like, oh, is this where it turns the corner in the United States and every year it does grow, but nowhere near where it should be.
[SPEAKER_02]: like that kind of shit though makes you feel like okay whatever.
[SPEAKER_02]: Again, everybody talks about oh they dive and you know all the acting and all of her I broke my shin and you know all that stuff.
[SPEAKER_02]: which never goes over well, but I think people can like appreciate the art form that it is especially now when you're getting the best of the best and games that, you know, you have a little, little patriotism, little pride, and then that happens and it's like, what the fuck?
[SPEAKER_02]: Why am I even watching this?
[SPEAKER_02]: Because you're right, it's like, I don't trust anything at this point.
[SPEAKER_02]: Like what, what is it a trust?
[SPEAKER_02]: So,
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh well, but the action itself, yeah, it's been, it's been fun.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's games every afternoon, there's, you know, you could pop on and you don't have to have a rooting interest.
[SPEAKER_02]: But they're exciting.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I don't know, as the game goes on, you kind of do get a rooting interest and, you know, listen, I'm rooting for you again.
[SPEAKER_02]: Once again, living, living through all of my British friends,
[SPEAKER_02]: And let's go, I mean, here's the thing too with the Argentina thing.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's kind of like, um, so yeah, I'm looking for England all the way here.
[SPEAKER_02]: And, uh, let's go.
[SPEAKER_02]: Let's do it.
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, let's move on to talking about some in New Japan news.
[SPEAKER_01]: There was an announcement from Tom Raki-Honmer, who is going to retire before his home crowd.
[SPEAKER_01]: So he's going to call it day on.
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know.
[SPEAKER_01]: He doesn't say I've ever used that school.
[SPEAKER_01]: Since July for us, not televised met Yamagata started off with Tom Raki-Homa, Greek, his hometown crowd.
[SPEAKER_01]: 29-year veteran, who unwent for normal robbering off of the law, has taken the decision to retire.
[SPEAKER_01]: He would work to improve his condition.
[SPEAKER_01]: Another retirement match in his hometown next year, ending his career at 30 years in the business.
[SPEAKER_01]: So he's going to be retiring at some point next year.
[SPEAKER_01]: It does seem that now that the town of Hashi retirement is out of the way.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's kind of open the floodgates to quite a few retirements.
[SPEAKER_02]: Hmm.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: Let's be honest here.
[SPEAKER_02]: If this probably should have happened a while ago, he, you know, since the injuries absolutely a shell of, but, you know, at one point, even during the news, I think he's more like, if you're looking for a release,
[SPEAKER_02]: interesting body of work.
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, here's a guy that, you know, with a big Japan, and he did a lot of his stuff there, and then moving on to New Japan.
[SPEAKER_02]: And even like, you know, being the the lovable loser, so to speak, had its place, because you were always looking for the big win, and you're always looking for that moment for him.
[SPEAKER_02]: Was he ever like a serious threat to titles,
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, I don't think he was ever really, like, anybody was...
[SPEAKER_02]: and clamoring from the way in any of the, even the secondary builds.
[SPEAKER_02]: But he definitely had a purpose and people enjoyed him.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I enjoyed him to a certain degree.
[SPEAKER_02]: I, you know, the one memory I have of him and we'll have of him is when I went to Fukuoka for Don Taco and he was in the lobby signing stuff.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I did, I had a t-shirt, or maybe I bought the t-shirt and you got the autograph, but I couldn't understand that he wanted me to hold the t-shirt and stretch it out.
[SPEAKER_02]: So he could sign it.
[SPEAKER_02]: I just put it on the table.
[SPEAKER_02]: So he's expecting me to hold it so he can do it.
[SPEAKER_02]: It was a little miscommunication there, but it's, you know,
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't know what the plan, I don't know what the retirement tour might look like, but hopefully it's somewhat limited and I'm gathering a shithon of multi-man tags.
[SPEAKER_02]: We'll have for at least six months going into the new year.
[SPEAKER_01]: So let's talk about the show that took place on Monday, July 6th, voted you on climax in Coracleen Hall, a very healthy sentence of 1,483.
[SPEAKER_01]: Let's get to the highlights.
[SPEAKER_01]: The second match was the oligbolting comeback match.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's just kind of notable in and of itself that they felt that was worthy of.
[SPEAKER_01]: having that moniker, you know, that this is the ol' ol' boss in combat match, like, you know, he's not been out that long and the fact that they gave it, I don't know, it's only, it's like an eight-man tag match second on the card at Corcorcoran Hall, but not for nothing, as you would say.
[SPEAKER_01]: There was, you know, a little bit of fanfare here, and
[SPEAKER_01]: It was a really good match actually when eight minutes and it was some really interesting pairings.
[SPEAKER_01]: We got to see Goto and Yuto Ice and Aaron Wolf going off against Yota Suji and Shingo was there as well.
[SPEAKER_01]: So you know quite a few big names in there and diking a guy as well.
[SPEAKER_01]: I thought one thing that stood out to me here was just seeing Aaron Wolf working wrestlers who were not in house of torture was just a breath of fresh air.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's in him having sequences of ring with Yota Suji.
[SPEAKER_01]: I just thought that the realisation washed over like, oh my god, how could I get to see Aaron Wolf wrestling loads of different wrestlers who are not in house of torture and I just thought,
[SPEAKER_01]: It was just for a really happy for about 30 seconds there.
[SPEAKER_01]: But yeah, on a bolting, got the wind here, pinned, staking the guy.
[SPEAKER_01]: And yeah, I'm kind of expecting him to have a bit of a run here in the juke on client mercy with Milner.
[SPEAKER_02]: Um, kind of sort of.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I mean, I like this G1 feels, I don't know Chris Samsa has his, um, his pickup contest.
[SPEAKER_02]: Once again, I forget what's the, give me the website if it's a chance.
[SPEAKER_01]: What's it pro wrestling dot com?
[SPEAKER_02]: There you go.
[SPEAKER_02]: I got to do mine probably tonight or early tomorrow.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'll get mine in in the nick of time and fail miserably as I do every fucking year.
[SPEAKER_02]: But the match itself was like it was a G1 appetizer.
[SPEAKER_02]: and you got to like to see it on paper is one thing, but you got to see little tastes of it in the ring.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I had very similar thoughts to you of, oh, we're going to see, you know, old button, but not only in the mix with a bunch of different people, we talk about Aaron Wolf,
[SPEAKER_02]: There's a lot of people that it's interesting to see what this will be, you know, what this, what will be the end result, not necessarily like who's winning, but like performance wise and you know, are they ready for next steps and is this a guy we can lean on and all that kind of stuff is that's fascinating to me with with this particular G1.
[SPEAKER_02]: And Aaron Wolf is in there as well, like, is he going to win more than he's going to lose?
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, on the one hand, is his first one.
[SPEAKER_02]: So if we're looking at any type of traditional booking patterns by New Japan Pro Wrestling, you would kind of think he would be losing more than he's winning.
[SPEAKER_02]: That said, he's an established single's guy with a second every bill.
[SPEAKER_02]: He's not going to lose that often, so it's kind of like what you got to pick your spots.
[SPEAKER_02]: Like where do you see like him losing, you know, you're figuring, okay, we're setting up for potential title defenses and stuff like that.
[SPEAKER_02]: like who's getting the wins and who's getting the losses.
[SPEAKER_02]: So, you know, for him specifically, it's such an interesting thing to me.
[SPEAKER_02]: And again, over and above the fact that we're getting to watch him in the ring, singles matches, for a month, like that, my pants are down.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm fucking ready.
[SPEAKER_02]: Let's let's go.
[SPEAKER_02]: Let's see what these, let's see what everyone's got.
[SPEAKER_02]: And that goes across the board.
[SPEAKER_02]: How is, and again, I know we're going to talk about this in a second, so bear with me.
[SPEAKER_02]: But again, I think about guys like,
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh
[SPEAKER_02]: without the idea of, okay, these guys that are stars have to get surprised losses or stuff like, it's 50, it's like, who, it's evenly managed.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's where my excitement lies, and then that's full squarely on like, like, Aaron Wolf's shoulders.
[SPEAKER_02]: Like, like, it starts with him and it goes throughout the whole and fucking tournament.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I think it's just taking a step back and
[SPEAKER_01]: over the years, especially when we were kind of in the pandemic era, was the problem New Japan had with failing to restock the shelf with homegrown domestic heavyweights.
[SPEAKER_01]: But now, seeing that they've got homegrown guys like.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yota Suji, they've got Oywa, they've got Yuto Ice, a great okan on me, I know he's crap, but he's still homegrown, every way.
[SPEAKER_01]: We've got a show to Umano, we've got Yuto Emra, again, mileage may vary, but renarity here's a homegrown, every way.
[SPEAKER_01]: We've got Aaron Wolfe as well.
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know whether you technically class him in that category, but you certainly a Japanese heavyweight at least.
[SPEAKER_01]: And they've got, can I go to Keshe now?
[SPEAKER_01]: Like, I think that's, they've done a really good job in sort of restocking that so that they do have a kind of healthy line up of Japanese heavy weights there, which I think they were struggling with for a while there.
[SPEAKER_01]: So it's just exciting that this is a tournament where it feels
[SPEAKER_01]: wide open, in as much as you don't have guys who are like the clear stand-out stars, and it feels like a big opportunity for guys to make a name for themselves, even if they might not be booked to win the whole thing, there's going to be certainly a lot of eyeballs on the Chicago show for people to get themselves over, and I think a real big opportunity for people to state their claim to
[SPEAKER_01]: be the next guy up in the division, so there's certainly a lot to be excited about there, and again, just seeing little glimpses of that in this seemingly throw away eight-man tag match second on the card.
[SPEAKER_01]: I've got a lot of excitement watching that, which is very, very cool.
[SPEAKER_01]: It is.
[SPEAKER_01]: And here's the thing.
[SPEAKER_01]: No, it's just going to be able to the next match, but you extend that.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, just one point, I just want to, like, a good, let me, a great G1, we'll make a star, you know?
[SPEAKER_02]: Like, if any of those guys that you mentioned,
[SPEAKER_02]: can put together a tournament that is second, you know, just like really sexy that that you elevate yourself and the eyes of people like people will take you seriously you will be a star like if you go out there and bust your fucking ass for a month like you're this is a this is a thing that can make your career I mean just go back
[SPEAKER_02]: You know, 2016, I think it was or 17, you know, and again, I'm not comparing these two to anybody on this roster, but, you know, a lot of people got into New Japan for a wrestling with Shibata and Ishi, and it's not like they were household names before that G1 match, but afterward, that got a lot of fucking buzz and a lot of views and a lot of people kind of like, oh, let me check this shit out, maybe I got maybe that I have something I can sync my teeth into.
[SPEAKER_02]: Like, if you could be one of those guys that, again, that match was great.
[SPEAKER_02]: I got to see what he does with this guy, like this can make people's careers.
[SPEAKER_02]: People that you think, they don't got it, they don't have it, like this could do it.
[SPEAKER_02]: So again, I know we're talking a lot about G1 right now, but yeah, I'm pumped.
[SPEAKER_01]: Burning Hammer says, was putting Wolf in the G1 ahead of Yoshi Hashie, one of the worst decisions in terms of potential match quality for the tournament.
[SPEAKER_01]: I strongly disagree with that, I think.
[SPEAKER_01]: We've not, actually, oh, good to go, what's that for?
[SPEAKER_01]: I think.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, I think I have seen enough from Aaron Wall so far for me not to be fearful about his inclusion, the G1.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think we're going to get some really good, really memorable matches there.
[SPEAKER_01]: And we all love Yoshi Hashie.
[SPEAKER_01]: I get that.
[SPEAKER_01]: And here's a really good performer.
[SPEAKER_01]: But I don't want to kind of retroactively give me to some sort of wrestling god just because he had some good performances during the pandemic and was good with a six-man title and a nice tag run.
[SPEAKER_01]: And occasionally when he gets to tap on the shoulder, he can fire up and put on a good match.
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't think it's a significant,
[SPEAKER_01]: downgrad in terms of match quality.
[SPEAKER_01]: If at all, I mean, that could be attacked by the time this G1 climax is finished.
[SPEAKER_01]: We might be looking back and thinking, wow, Aaron Wolf, what a breakout star he looks like.
[SPEAKER_01]: So yeah, I think that's a, I don't know.
[SPEAKER_01]: I personally I don't agree with that one.
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, I can see the point of, okay, you have a guarantee
[SPEAKER_02]: handful probably more than that.
[SPEAKER_02]: If you put Yoshihashi in that spot, you could probably get some really good matches.
[SPEAKER_02]: The problem is this, is that just like what we've said before, we have to give guys a chance.
[SPEAKER_02]: Number one, so we don't know if you can have a great, you know, G1.
[SPEAKER_02]: This is first one, he's got to have one and I'm willing to take that chance, I really am.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I end, I'll go so far as to say,
[SPEAKER_02]: The idea of the potential of Aaron Wolf versus what we think the bar is in Yoshi-Hashi.
[SPEAKER_02]: I think Aaron will get either damn close or exceed.
[SPEAKER_02]: Again, we'll talk about two different styles when I do, but let's like, I want it to work.
[SPEAKER_02]: It needs to work.
[SPEAKER_02]: It has to work because there's so much invested in it.
[SPEAKER_02]: So, yeah, I understand the thought process of just from a pure match quality perspective.
[SPEAKER_02]: I can see where you can make that argument.
[SPEAKER_02]: But,
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm pretty confident that we'll be, we'll be talking about Aaron Walker, the end of this G1, and saying, oh, we have a blue chipper.
[SPEAKER_02]: And if we don't, then, you know, we figure out where we go from here.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I mean, we're all sort of doing a bit of guess work at the moment, really, because we don't have a huge amount of data to go on, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: There's not the evidence and the pool of matches there for us to look at and analyze that.
[SPEAKER_01]: He's had a handful of matches against how to talk to you guys.
[SPEAKER_01]: it's difficult from that to extrapolate and make any bold predictions about what's torn was going to look like.
[SPEAKER_01]: But I'm going to choose to earn on the side of Optimus.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think he's going to wild out of everything.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it's wild out.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think he's going to be the greatest wrestler.
[SPEAKER_01]: He's going to be the second coming of Kurt Angle and it's going to be really great.
[SPEAKER_01]: With the third match was a Tiger Mask final three way tornado tag match where we had Dicto go and Yoshinabu kind of Maru defeat and ghetto and Tajish moori and Jadot and Tiger Mask Six minutes 26 seconds kind of maru got the pin over Tiger Mask Samsung Clutch Yeah, yeah, but it's just a lot of fun.
[SPEAKER_01]: So it's just like
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I don't know if you have these in the USA where you get a multi-packs of crisps and there's all different flavors, you know, you get like two, ready-soldier, two-salt vinegar, two-cheese like this, this was like a variety pack of
[SPEAKER_01]: like you grizzled uncle restless in all different flavors.
[SPEAKER_01]: So you had like grumpy flavor, dastedly cheetah flavor, lovable cheetah flavor, drunk cheetah flavor, full flavor, just like, yeah, a little smaller sport of different flavors of grumpy uncle.
[SPEAKER_01]: So yeah, I think it was fun.
[SPEAKER_01]: I like these kind of matches.
[SPEAKER_01]: We chill.
[SPEAKER_02]: And for all our giggling, you know, under our breath about tiger
[SPEAKER_02]: I thought this week was pretty good for him, you know what I mean?
[SPEAKER_02]: Like he got, he went out and shined.
[SPEAKER_02]: I just loved the idea of them.
[SPEAKER_02]: They always do that.
[SPEAKER_02]: You know, the guy going out the door, he's lying down, and you would think it would be the opposite, you know, you went everybody to get that.
[SPEAKER_02]: You know, I don't find a final big cheer, big pop, I guess, forget in a way that they don't love it.
[SPEAKER_02]: And again, from a wrestling standpoint, I guess you could make the argument of, oh yeah, going up the door, he's putting people over, but okay, but there's nobody in that message really needs that kind of push or, you know, kind of rub, so to speak.
[SPEAKER_02]: So
[SPEAKER_02]: Um, yeah, a fun little match.
[SPEAKER_02]: You know what I mean?
[SPEAKER_02]: It was a reason to smile.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and I mean, we'll come on to the Tigermaster retirement match itself.
[SPEAKER_01]: But I mean spoiler like he won.
[SPEAKER_01]: So one of the rare occasions of an outgoing wrestler actually winning in his final match.
[SPEAKER_01]: But it's just extremely funny to me that
[SPEAKER_01]: He was taking the loss on his way out in one of his final two matches like, no, no, I want to go do things the right way, play it forward.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm going to go out on my back and put someone else over and like, okay, so which, which young and I've been, I've been coming sorry you're going to put over in your way out.
[SPEAKER_01]: Can I borrow?
[SPEAKER_02]: Wait, 50 year on can I borrow?
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, and here's the thing too, it's the only because you mentioned that we'll get to it obviously in a moment, but I mean, the reason why Tiger Rascal wanted, because he's his opponent was on a new Japan guy.
[SPEAKER_02]: And it's really, if it was anybody else in that ring, he would have lied down, I guarantee it.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, well, opening a bit of a can of worms there, in terms of discussing a guest A, W, rest as parachuting in for retirement matches, whether or not they'd do it in the job.
[SPEAKER_01]: As part of that, yeah, we'll come on to that.
[SPEAKER_01]: The fourth match was the G1 Climax B book.
[SPEAKER_01]: Play a match with Oscar, defeat New Droid Hackashi at 9.54 seconds via KOB, which is a tag team move.
[SPEAKER_01]: You will note, this was fine.
[SPEAKER_01]: I just said it before.
[SPEAKER_01]: we're not going to get an entire tour of big man gets legworked over and fights from below.
[SPEAKER_01]: Right, and I'm not saying that Oscar is bad at it.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think he is already better or all of that stuff than Hiccolo ever was.
[SPEAKER_01]: but I just wish the company had the guts to book a big man, like a monster and not just like a vulnerable, tall person, you know?
[SPEAKER_01]: Like, do you think they won't ever speed around that?
[SPEAKER_01]: You only get the monster booking if you either do your time, like, I'd say, an RA has managed to get to something resembling that spot.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I'd say,
[SPEAKER_01]: either that or you come from outside of the company as an established commodity like, you know, like a Jonah Rock when he came in, he was just immediately, he's a monster.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I get why this match was worked this way.
[SPEAKER_01]: Because obviously, you Joe has very little credibility as a single's wrestler and he was used here as a vehicle for House of Torture and to, you know,
[SPEAKER_01]: build up excitement to Oscars, single was matched with Ren in Chicago, and Oscar doesn't have the record as a single's guy either, so like this is essentially degenerated into like a two on five handicap tag match, which is fine for what it was, you know, I'm not saying I was desperate to go and see the purity of grappling between Oscar and Udro Takahashi with no infractions whatsoever, but my issue is that I do think that there is potential with Oscar as a
[SPEAKER_01]: I think he's got the right instincts to be a monster, but just we know this company, they weren't booking like one in a single's capacity, unless he proves himself over like, you know, the next eight years or so.
[SPEAKER_01]: So I do feel we're staring down the barrel of mine, Oscar matches of Alchew, my long legs are being damaged, which for me, personally is going to wear thin after about night three, but there you go.
[SPEAKER_01]: Welcome to your pan pro wrestling.
[SPEAKER_02]: We're going to chop down the, we're going to chop down the giant joll.
[SPEAKER_02]: Um, I thought the match was decent.
[SPEAKER_02]: Um, again, if you're not getting a ton of Oscar singles matches.
[SPEAKER_02]: So, um, they kind of, I don't want to say it took the easy way out, but they, you know, they did the, the thing I think everyone would expected and you're right.
[SPEAKER_02]: It did turn into a two on five at certain points.
[SPEAKER_02]: The thing that I kind of was like, uh, who was the most overguy in that match?
[SPEAKER_01]: He took.
[SPEAKER_02]: Thank you very much.
[SPEAKER_02]: Right.
[SPEAKER_02]: And the finish was, I mean, it was you to ice.
[SPEAKER_02]: And he did everything clean house set up for the finishing move.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I don't think it did.
[SPEAKER_01]: It just happened.
[SPEAKER_01]: A nice tone to establish that Oscar does have some ability as a single's restaurant.
[SPEAKER_01]: Right.
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, hey, look, this guy does deserve to be in the tournament and can win matches by itself.
[SPEAKER_01]: But no, that's not what they do to you.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: That was my own.
[SPEAKER_02]: Like, oh, really?
[SPEAKER_02]: Come on.
[SPEAKER_02]: The guy's got, you know, he's got to win the match and get into G1.
[SPEAKER_02]: Let's not make it a...
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, they're giving them definitive win.
[SPEAKER_02]: Can people pumped up the same?
[SPEAKER_02]: You know, it's fucking usual for crying out loud.
[SPEAKER_02]: What are we doing?
[SPEAKER_01]: Um, I've got a frittet usual.
[SPEAKER_02]: Right.
[SPEAKER_02]: The guy wrestles in three singles matches a year.
[SPEAKER_02]: If that.
[SPEAKER_02]: So, all right.
[SPEAKER_02]: But yeah, the, like, to me, I felt like, oh, here comes the fucking meat potatoes of this team and he's going to clean it up and he did, oh, Oscar had to do his roll over and fucking count the three.
[SPEAKER_01]: So the fifth match was the G1 Climax A-Blog playing match where we had to do you know who I was to think El Fantasma in nine minutes, 36 seconds via the grip.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I quite enjoyed this, I thought it was a competitive, but ultimately I would say fairly comprehensive wind for oil.
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't think there were really any particularly close near-force for ELP.
[SPEAKER_01]: I feel that
[SPEAKER_01]: or he was essentially just manhandled him and put him away with relative comfort.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I liked what I would did here.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think he really uses his bulk in a way that not many guys in his cohort do, you know, he lays it in thick as he should for a guy of his size.
[SPEAKER_01]: He's you know, a big thick, burly muscular dude and I wish more people would wrestle to their strengths there.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I thought Elfan Tasmo was a very generous, very willing opponent who bumps a lot and made
[SPEAKER_01]: I thought it was a fine opponent, he understood the assignment, so yeah, obviously I'm not particularly surprised by that.
[SPEAKER_01]: That was probably the one match of the four planes where they might have been a bit of doubt, but I was always kind of 90% confident that that oil will be in.
[SPEAKER_01]: So that's nice, that's good.
[SPEAKER_01]: There is a conversation to be had here about Elfantasm because he made some very cryptic comments backstage about all the seven years that he spent with a company and it's come to this and he said that he'd explain more tomorrow the following day, but he wasn't all booked on that.
[SPEAKER_01]: He wasn't booked on that show.
[SPEAKER_01]: So we didn't get to hear what he had on his mind there, but uh, yeah, a lot of question marks arising from Jason and what Elf and Tasmo said or rather what he didn't say.
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, I do think if we sort of analysing
[SPEAKER_01]: his new Japan performances over the last two years.
[SPEAKER_01]: I feel he has significantly slowed down, and that's not a criticism, it's just an observation, obviously they've been mitigating health factors for him, and certainly if he were to continue with New Japan, I would see his role personally as an enhancement guy for the younger wrestlers at this point, but possibly there might be other paths in his future.
[SPEAKER_01]: We don't know, Dame, what do you think
[SPEAKER_01]: about this match and OUI and Elfen timesmer.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: Um, again, we were talking about it, you know, if not last week, the week before, prior, about how we kind of felt like,
[SPEAKER_02]: You know, this might be an opportunity for ELP to sit one out, you know.
[SPEAKER_02]: Could he take the grind of the G1 and quite honestly, we need to create stars once again hammering that point home and I think the right guy needed to win and did and convincingly.
[SPEAKER_02]: You know, when you talk about the health of a pro wrestler,
[SPEAKER_02]: And the idea that your career has a certain length.
[SPEAKER_02]: Now, there are guys that have found ways to extend their career more than the average.
[SPEAKER_02]: Let's put it that way.
[SPEAKER_02]: You know, your flares, your fungs, your whomever, your takers, your makamees, your whatever.
[SPEAKER_02]: You made a career, you made a name for yourself and you've afforded yourself the luxury of being with the company.
[SPEAKER_02]: Maybe past your welcome.
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, it's debatable for all the people that we mentioned.
[SPEAKER_02]: But in a case of like ELP, like okay, so like what's what does 10 years look like?
[SPEAKER_02]: Are you is a new Japan that?
[SPEAKER_02]: willing to set you up financially for those next 10 years.
[SPEAKER_02]: Again, I think we all can assume that the clock is ticking on ELP's career.
[SPEAKER_02]: That said, it, you know,
[SPEAKER_02]: if he's, well, he is sitting this G1 out and if he does feel the clock is ticking as well, you know, G1 might not be the best idea for him.
[SPEAKER_02]: So, um, look, oh, I know is if you got 10 bucks, you might as well spend it now.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, if I don't want to speak too much of this until we actually have some verifiable information here.
[SPEAKER_01]: So, I'll hold my tongue for now, we'll hold it.
[SPEAKER_01]: We'll discuss that in the future, because sick match was the IWGPE Global Heavyweight Championship with the Challenger, Gay Kid, successfully defeating the champion showed to Umino, 8 minutes and 48 seconds.
[SPEAKER_01]: the match was a lot longer than that, because there was a lot of, you know, how many minutes of out-ties of it, really, really, yes.
[SPEAKER_01]: But honestly, David, I thought both guys were outstanding here.
[SPEAKER_01]: I thought it was great.
[SPEAKER_01]: They both deserved their flowers.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I know we've been critical of gay kid over the last nine months and rightly so, I feel, but I thought he was excellent here.
[SPEAKER_01]: He's in tremendous physical shape.
[SPEAKER_01]: The fans are still obviously
[SPEAKER_01]: happy and excited to see him in spite of his extremely heavy-handed heel mannerisms.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I love how he just immediately dropped it.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's mutt, it's army.
[SPEAKER_01]: I know.
[SPEAKER_01]: But, you know, as the match played out, this walk-and-roll and Gabe's interactions with Fat Pussy Tana Hashie, who's talking.
[SPEAKER_01]: An unused character from the subpronos.
[SPEAKER_01]: The dynamics of the match, I thought, settled really nicely.
[SPEAKER_01]: I thought the crowd were fully behind,
[SPEAKER_01]: much improved at work in the crowd and choosing the right moments to let things breathe and when to sell to elicit sympathy and when to fire up to get the crowd hyped and Gabe was a brilliant foil for him and I thought they really brought the heat out.
[SPEAKER_01]: Each other, they carried the match with the intensity of a blood feud which
[SPEAKER_01]: It kind of is, you know, if rumours are to be believed about the history between these two men, they really went hard, like the slap exchange they were laying it in and the match turns narratively with a moment I particularly like where Gabe was pretending that his shoulder was hurt again, the same shoulder there.
[SPEAKER_01]: I've lost his G1 as that was a nice little callback that I think elicited the perfect response from the crowds and they just turned on Gabe, they're not on the standpoint
[SPEAKER_01]: emptied the tank on shoulder.
[SPEAKER_01]: All of his big moves, you know, the pile driver on the floor in front of Tanahashi and and Shota.
[SPEAKER_01]: In defeat, I still think he showed his fighting spirit kicked out again and again and again that a difference and almost an auto pilot and gave ultimately coming out on top with a death rider which was a nice bit of symbolism because obviously there's stuff going on between them and you figure a job.
[SPEAKER_01]: Moxley's going to figure into that at some point, so it feels like a piece of a puzzle in a wider storyline arc that they have going for them.
[SPEAKER_01]: I just thought over it was a really vicious and heated match that probably the start of a trilogy, you know, if we know New Japan book in patents, they're going to meet in the G1 in their block and probably looking at an autumn rubber match, and yeah, I just think both guys knocked out the park here and gave, I feel like he's actually, you know, as much as he
[SPEAKER_01]: presents this larger than life character with his hatred for New Japan and laser on thick.
[SPEAKER_01]: I almost feel like he's tone things down a bit.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think I feel like he's something.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, like a darker and more violent and menacing version of the character than
[SPEAKER_01]: the pre-fucking ball again.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, last year it was just a hooligan.
[SPEAKER_01]: It was just him swearing and he didn't feel that there was much substance to it.
[SPEAKER_01]: It came because it was a bit tri-hard, but it feels like here he's kind of backing it up with his actions.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I'm not saying that him slapping Tanahashi and throwing the bell on the floor is particularly nuanced.
[SPEAKER_01]: But it feels a bit more,
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know, a bit more coherent, a bit more organic than what he was doing before.
[SPEAKER_01]: Again, I just saw really like we did here.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think he set up nicely as a dangerous and vindictive rival for show to overcome at some point in the future.
[SPEAKER_01]: Honestly, I'm grateful to have another top here in the company.
[SPEAKER_01]: That isn't enticing the booking team to fall back on their usual lazy cheating interference tropes.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's kind of bent the rules a bit.
[SPEAKER_01]: without explicitly cheating, you know, he exploited showters sense of mercy by pretending his shoulder was hurt and, you know, tricked the referee bit.
[SPEAKER_01]: I wouldn't say it was outright cheating, but, you know, this is a breath of fresh air as compared to having a load of goons jumping in the ring and having
[SPEAKER_01]: Reef bumps and weapons used and things like that.
[SPEAKER_01]: So I think it's a nice spot for gay But I don't know how long he's sticking around, but yeah, I thought he served his purpose really well here And I thought Choto was excellent too.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think he's looking great.
[SPEAKER_01]: He's gone back to his initial
[SPEAKER_01]: post-exercise and look with the, you know, the pink and the tights and the long hair and let's be honest, that was the best look at of all the iterations he's gone through.
[SPEAKER_01]: He is also an excellent physical condition.
[SPEAKER_01]: I feel he's mostly got the crown behind him providing, they're not in Osaka, which is an entity unto itself, but I just think in general, show to looks a lot more comfortable and confident being a top baby face and, and
[SPEAKER_01]: It felt to me that this match is a launching point for something big for showtor.
[SPEAKER_01]: I will be really surprised if this is just a little self-containful with Gabe that doesn't factor into a larger narrative art for showtor.
[SPEAKER_01]: Just the timing of this match right before G1, the forbidden door match that he had with that showcase when it gets packed.
[SPEAKER_01]: It feels very intentional.
[SPEAKER_02]: Thank you very much.
[SPEAKER_01]: Right.
[SPEAKER_01]: I feel it's making sure to look and feel like a protagonist heading into the G1.
[SPEAKER_01]: He feels like he's got the most heat and momentum in the field.
[SPEAKER_01]: Out of all the 20 guys, I can't think of anyone else who's got this much kind of narrative force driving him kind of emotionally into this tournament than all the other guys and that feels like coming out of this match.
[SPEAKER_01]: He's got to be one of the early favorites to win the whole thing.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: I first I was a little surprised and then you did kind of a text exchange.
[SPEAKER_02]: You were, you did make that point.
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, it was again, you know, you were, you are right.
[SPEAKER_02]: They did, they did set that up for, you know, a clear path and a distinct path.
[SPEAKER_02]: Man, they hammered home.
[SPEAKER_02]: They left nothing to chance in establishing one.
[SPEAKER_02]: Gabe as, you know, he is the heeliest heal of them all, and when you trot out Hiroshi Tanahashi, who is the ultimate baby face, going you know, and Gabe going against the guy that New Japan was love to pick up that mantle of ultimate baby face and kind of, you know, carry that torch further.
[SPEAKER_02]: they did everything in their power to establish that, okay, this game kid character is something to be reckoned with and something that you will despise.
[SPEAKER_02]: Um, again, all that interaction with Hiroshi Tanahashi, by proxy, you know, you're rooting for, show to that point to fucking kick games ass, come on, kick his ass because of the spitting and the, the physical altercation.
[SPEAKER_02]: And again, the match itself, like people, like, it gave people a clear definitive, oh fuck
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, they really
[SPEAKER_02]: They, I got to give him credit in the sense of they left nothing to change.
[SPEAKER_02]: Like he, like that was crystal, by the time that, that match ended and the post match and him tossing around the global title, like it was a piece of trash.
[SPEAKER_02]: And him, you know, cousin and middle fingers and body language and everything else, leaving, you know, the next super baby face in a heap of his own
[SPEAKER_01]: Uh, yeah, there was a bag of puppies under the ring and a bus for the orphan outside the arena that they luckily didn't need to use.
[SPEAKER_02]: It was about to say, like exactly my thoughts, like aside from, you know, slapping some babies and kicking some puppies.
[SPEAKER_02]: I think I did everything that's fucking power to have the crowd and everyone else hate them.
[SPEAKER_02]: So yeah, I mean, there was no subtleties there that it was it was full on which in a way was refreshing like it was clean clear cut this guy's a scumbat.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I think, you know, at the end of the day, we're trying to get a show to be the guy people can rally around.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's taken a lot less organic routes that people poo pooed and people hand-waved and people were like, now, and I think things like this, again, by proxy.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's all, it's, it's off.
[SPEAKER_02]: What a fucking asshole.
[SPEAKER_02]: Because he went out to the Horoshi town on Hollywood.
[SPEAKER_02]: He's the president of the president's trying to keep his cool.
[SPEAKER_02]: He's getting spit in the face and not out.
[SPEAKER_02]: By proxy, you're like, okay, come on, show to fucking fire up and beat the shit out of this guy.
[SPEAKER_02]: Paraceling 101, but they went 1,000% in that direction, 100 miles an hour.
[SPEAKER_02]: But again, felt a little refreshing, I liked it, I thought it was fun.
[SPEAKER_01]: And the main event was the IWGB Junior Heavyweight Championship match where the 100th champion Yo successfully defended against the Challenger Francesca Akira.
[SPEAKER_01]: 26, a very long minutes, I don't know David, maybe I might be on a island with this.
[SPEAKER_01]: I felt it was too long.
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't like the matches being this on maybe it could just be because I have broken my brain with my phone and I've got the attention span of a bumblebee, but I just got annoyed when the match graphic came up on the screen just the render of yo with his big stupid face and he's like
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, it's just filling a really dark face.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm like, please, just let me believe for a moment.
[SPEAKER_01]: Just for a second, that you're taking this seriously.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I did, well, come on, it's like five minutes into a match.
[SPEAKER_01]: Akira was banging you on the head with a silver platter.
[SPEAKER_01]: And he was jerking around in a comedic manner that made me think I was still watching the DDT cross-overshoot.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, no, no, no.
[SPEAKER_02]: But then at toward the end, though, don't you think that, like,
[SPEAKER_02]: Like, toward the end, I'm like, this might be my favorite y'all match in a fucking long time.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it was good.
[SPEAKER_01]: I just don't like him.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, right.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's the disconnect, then.
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't think I will ever
[SPEAKER_01]: be able to take him seriously or really appreciate what he's doing as a serious singles wrestler in New Japan for wrestling.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I'm not saying that he is bad or that the booking of him is bad or that him winning this is bad.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think it's great, it's fine.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like absolutely having Ms. Champion and having him win matches like this and going to run and do what is made in popular.
[SPEAKER_01]: I just don't like it.
[SPEAKER_02]: I hear you.
[SPEAKER_02]: Listen, you're not to tell me twice, I get it.
[SPEAKER_02]: that said, I thought the ending stretches to this match.
[SPEAKER_02]: You felt his fire, you felt him taking it seriously, you felt, and you got to tip your cat the actor because he, I thought he did an outstanding job as well.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, it wasn't too long.
[SPEAKER_02]: Could we have done without the first 10 minutes, probably?
[SPEAKER_02]: Probably.
[SPEAKER_02]: But I think by the end, I was kind of like, oh, this is turning into something good.
[SPEAKER_02]: And by the end, I was into it.
[SPEAKER_02]: I was into it.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I guess not that anybody had any doubts, but
[SPEAKER_02]: You know, it's moments like that where I kind of get a little bit more angry in the sense of, okay, we know you can fucking do it.
[SPEAKER_02]: Now you're just choosing not to do it.
[SPEAKER_02]: Here's proof of concept.
[SPEAKER_02]: So, yeah, what?
[SPEAKER_01]: But at this point, Emery, his fans are expecting the quirkiness.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: So it doesn't make sense for him to drop all of that and suddenly become serious, bouchy, don't rest there, just because I want him to do that.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's not what the character is, and that's not what's,
[SPEAKER_01]: and in this spot and his fan base and his popularity.
[SPEAKER_01]: So yeah, past this match, we're good, absolutely.
[SPEAKER_01]: I liked the Diakira to Jerry Pants.
[SPEAKER_01]: They were nice, lots of tributes there.
[SPEAKER_01]: I thought there's a very decent near-fogadrama with that ground to ranch, where I thought he was about to submit there and there was a couple of good near-fogals with the five all the running near-tax.
[SPEAKER_01]: So, yeah, it did get good at the end,
[SPEAKER_01]: I said, no, I just did 26 minutes.
[SPEAKER_01]: It was too long for my detention span.
[SPEAKER_01]: But yeah, other opinions are available.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I hear you.
[SPEAKER_02]: Like I said, if we didn't have the first 10, I think we would be even, I'm pretty glowing on the match.
[SPEAKER_02]: I think it was really good.
[SPEAKER_02]: Again, if you hit the fast forward button, past the first 10 minutes, and then you've got then the difference.
[SPEAKER_01]: So that was actually then.
[SPEAKER_01]: We also had a show that was taking place on Tuesday, July 7th, also a Coracle and Horde.
[SPEAKER_01]: This was Tiger Master retirement match.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm just going to skip straight to the Tiger Mask stuff.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, because I feel that there's not really much else worth coming to going.
[SPEAKER_01]: So the first was a five minute
[SPEAKER_01]: time limit match retirement match one, which is Tiger Mask against Dynamite Kid Tom Billington, which went to five minute draw, and then the seventh match was another five minute limit retirement match two, which was Tiger Mask against Black Tiger Four, aka Rocky Romero, which went to a five minute time limit draw, but then Rocky attacked him after Berlin said he wants another five minutes, and then Tiger Mask was able to get the win with the Tiger Suplex in fairly short
[SPEAKER_01]: go out as a winner trying for it.
[SPEAKER_01]: He's not putting anybody over.
[SPEAKER_01]: Fuck that.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's true.
[SPEAKER_02]: That finish was almost, I mean, a little difference is mind you, but very similar to that of what they did in Trenton with the
[SPEAKER_02]: L.P. who was right, they had the time limit drawn and they go to extra five.
[SPEAKER_02]: Rocky loves that.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's that's Rocky's go to go to finish.
[SPEAKER_02]: I like this a lot.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm sorry.
[SPEAKER_02]: I really did.
[SPEAKER_02]: I thought.
[SPEAKER_02]: Uh, again, they do the five minute exhibitions a lot, I get it.
[SPEAKER_02]: Um, and a lot of times, I'm like, uh, whatever, I would just seem a match, but I think everything involved from the first five with a building tin, you know, uh, I was happy they pulled that off.
[SPEAKER_02]: I really was, uh, the black tiger stuff.
[SPEAKER_02]: I was happy they pulled it off.
[SPEAKER_02]: Um, the ceremony at the end.
[SPEAKER_02]: I enjoyed
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't know.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's, New Japan does these things really well.
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't think they're over the top.
[SPEAKER_02]: I think they're fitting for the individual.
[SPEAKER_02]: They honor them well.
[SPEAKER_02]: uh... they let them go out with grace uh... yeah uh... i look but we're not going to see their talk about match quality we're not going to see their talk about uh... you know still are so anything nonsense like that uh... i think if you followed this product
[SPEAKER_02]: And you know the history of what that mask might represent, and you can say, well, the luster is off the shine, and it's not what it once was.
[SPEAKER_02]: All that stuff.
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't know.
[SPEAKER_02]: I felt it.
[SPEAKER_02]: I thought it was well done, and I think New Japan deserves some flowers in the way that was handled.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, agreed.
[SPEAKER_01]: We have a couple of questions on this.
[SPEAKER_01]: So Troy says, following, because it's got a card of a time who actually turned a hashy and Tommy Billings in slash rock who are Ameri-retiring Tycamask for, which A-W-Restler do you want to retire?
[SPEAKER_01]: Here we are, she turns and this is August.
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, they got a very rich and robust roster to be able to do that.
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh boy, I don't even have a big show.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, you want the big show to come out?
[SPEAKER_02]: All right.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: All right.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm trying to think of if there's anybody else that I can think of that would be super duper thrilled with.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I can't think of anybody on that roster.
[SPEAKER_02]: So yeah, great.
[SPEAKER_02]: We all have the big show.
[SPEAKER_02]: Let's do it.
[SPEAKER_01]: Derek said, is there anyone you would like to see pick up the man's with Tiger Morsk?
[SPEAKER_01]: And do you think there's any shot is seeing dynamite kid in the best of the super genius?
[SPEAKER_02]: Great question.
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't know if like to have seen it this year.
[SPEAKER_02]: I think there is a chance, I don't think it's a great chance, but I think there's definitely a chance, uh, and no, I don't know, I don't think, here's the thing, I think they always have it in their back pocket that they can have somebody beat Tiger Mask.
[SPEAKER_02]: The problem is this, if you are a pro wrestler, do you want to beat Tiger Mask?
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it's going to say exactly that.
[SPEAKER_01]: If you were in a young line and you've making you happen in the company and they said, right, how about you just where this mask can be type of hostage?
[SPEAKER_01]: You'd be offended, I'd be like, what?
[SPEAKER_00]: You don't even see my lovely handsome face.
[SPEAKER_01]: And my lovely name?
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, yeah, I don't know, as much as I sat here and I said, I was great what they did.
[SPEAKER_02]: They honored the idea of tiger mask and all that stuff.
[SPEAKER_02]: You know, in this form, and I'll also say, does it have, would it have the same connection with this generation of fans?
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't know, I don't know.
[SPEAKER_02]: I honestly, I would prefer not, and if you were going to do that, I wouldn't do that with any of the guys that are currently here, I would keep it in my pocket and wait and see.
[SPEAKER_02]: I wouldn't rush it by any stretch of the imagination.
[SPEAKER_02]: So I'm really, really ugly.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: Something really good.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I mean, again, I think, I think, if you, just like you would, you know, laid out, if you were a young wrestler and you're trying to make an aim for yourself, I don't know if I would really, would want to do that.
[SPEAKER_02]: So, um, I, I hold on to it, hold on to it.
[SPEAKER_02]: If you don't have to do it immediately, you can do it down the road, but I'm in the rush to see it again.
[SPEAKER_01]: Right, well, let all leaves us to is a preview Saturday show.
[SPEAKER_01]: So July 11th, the G1 Climax 36 in the now arena, Hoffman is having a minute of sleep.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: Take it.
[SPEAKER_02]: Not selling too good.
[SPEAKER_02]: No?
[SPEAKER_01]: Last I heard.
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm not that interested in the ticket discussion.
[SPEAKER_01]: We can have that discussion afterwards and have the post more to them.
[SPEAKER_01]: But I'm more interested in talking about the matches.
[SPEAKER_01]: in the B-block.
[SPEAKER_01]: What a way to start.
[SPEAKER_01]: Iron Wolf versus Henry.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, we're starting right out of gate, right?
[SPEAKER_02]: And you don't think that.
[SPEAKER_02]: I know this is, you know, the Aaron Wolf show.
[SPEAKER_02]: Don't think that Henry doesn't have a chip on his shoulder.
[SPEAKER_02]: And don't think that that maniac.
[SPEAKER_02]: isn't opposed to hit me as high as you can in the face, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, I think Hinoa is a guy who understands a guy, I'm just purely speculation here, but I think he understands the value that Iron Wolf is bringing to the company.
[SPEAKER_01]: And he is, you know, just die trying to make Iron Wolf look like a star.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, and again, you want to start the tournament off on a good foot.
[SPEAKER_02]: You want to get the crowd into it.
[SPEAKER_02]: You want, like, like, this is a good spot.
[SPEAKER_02]: Opening match.
[SPEAKER_02]: Everyone, you know, nobody's burning out.
[SPEAKER_02]: Everyone is wearing a go.
[SPEAKER_02]: Everyone's got a beer or two in them.
[SPEAKER_02]: We're ready.
[SPEAKER_02]: We're ready to fucking roll.
[SPEAKER_02]: Having these two beefy boys coming out and beat the shit out of each other.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, both, again, maybe not both, but you know, Hinar is got a chip on the shoulder and you know he's going to go out there and and it's going to, we're going to hear some meat slap in my friend.
[SPEAKER_02]: I think this is going to be a great way to kick it off outstanding.
[SPEAKER_02]: And again, let's, let's see what Aaron Wolf's got.
[SPEAKER_02]: Let's, this is going to be a nice little test.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm ready for this one.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think one of the things that Iron Wolf is struggling with at the moment is the fact that he is a real-life elite prize fighter and he probably is a fully aware of the fact that
[SPEAKER_01]: If he's not careful, he could seriously hurt the people that he's in the ring with, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: So I think he's kind of pulling his punches so to speak.
[SPEAKER_01]: I feel he's kind of working a little bit light just because he doesn't want to obviously hurt his coworkers which is understandable, but I think if there is anyone on this roster, get him out of that mentality and be like, you are coming out here, you are gonna fucking hit me as hard as you can.
[SPEAKER_01]: I worry about hurting me, Henare is the guy and I think he will absolutely understand the assignment here and yeah I'm excited to I just want to see Aaron Wolf let loose here.
[SPEAKER_01]: Do you think it is a essential for Aaron Wolf to win this opening match?
[SPEAKER_01]: Because I think yes, I think especially if Aaron Wolf is going to be the big
[SPEAKER_01]: star in the company that they need him to be, then I feel that he needs to make a good impression with the US audience, you know, this is his first match outside of Japan and I think they want to make him look like a big deal.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm with him.
[SPEAKER_02]: I think you can do that without him having to win.
[SPEAKER_02]: I will say this, that if that is your end goal, which rightfully, New Japan, it should be, that is probably the most direct path, but I don't think it's necessary that he does.
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't know.
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't know if he does absolutely has to do it.
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't even know if you will do it.
[SPEAKER_02]: I think what people are looking for is can he hang, can he go and can he compete with guys in that ring and make it compelling and make it fun and make it so that we see something in the guy that's so I think that I think if we can do that like if we can walk like
[SPEAKER_02]: When the bell rings, are we looking at each other like, yes, here we go, you know, I think that's the key.
[SPEAKER_02]: Like that, that'll make up for any wins and losses.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's for sure.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: No, I think you've talked me around that, actually.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think if they got another killer match, then...
[SPEAKER_01]: people are not going to be talking about the result today.
[SPEAKER_01]: They're not interested in who wins or loses.
[SPEAKER_01]: They just want to see does this guy have it.
[SPEAKER_01]: So yeah, very much looking forward to that one.
[SPEAKER_01]: Second match then in the A block is Shingo Takagi versus Jake Lee.
[SPEAKER_01]: I feel that Shingo is a guy that the American fans really like.
[SPEAKER_01]: So
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm wondering if this, they might just throw him a bone here and make the crowd happy and be like, you like Shin Go, okay, yeah, here we go, Shin Go, Takagi wins a match and everyone goes, yay.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I would be shocked if he didn't, be honest with you, just here.
[SPEAKER_02]: I definitely have my reservations.
[SPEAKER_02]: if Jake Lee's going to find that extra level, I would hope it would be here to kick off G1.
[SPEAKER_02]: If this is shit, boy, we're in for a long fucking haul, would Jake Lee.
[SPEAKER_02]: Like, if you can't have at least a match where, okay, that was good, with Chingo.
[SPEAKER_02]: We have massive problems.
[SPEAKER_02]: I would say of the entire show.
[SPEAKER_02]: This is where I'm kind of on the fence of, how good is she gonna pull this fucking rabbit out of that?
[SPEAKER_02]: Because Jake Lee, I got no fucking time for.
[SPEAKER_02]: I think Jake Lee might be above y'all in my, I don't give a fucking.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I noticed in Jake Lee's last match.
[SPEAKER_01]: Was it against CLP?
[SPEAKER_01]: Was that the kind of no DQ gimmick match they had to remember that?
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, he didn't take many bumps at all now.
[SPEAKER_01]: So that's going to be something to keep an eye out here.
[SPEAKER_01]: Is he actually able to bump like, what kind of physical state is Jake Lee and going into this tournament?
[SPEAKER_01]: So, like, my expectations are not particularly high.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm already kind of washing my hands objectively.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I'm, yeah, I don't have high hopes for him in this tournament.
[SPEAKER_02]: No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know if I feel like Ren is going to win this.
[SPEAKER_01]: They will want to establish him as a threat and he's kind of filling the spot that evil, vacated, even though he's not as good as evil.
[SPEAKER_01]: I thought he had a pretty poor tournament last year aside from the Zack match, which everyone has a great match against Zack because it's Zack.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm hoping for a better output from Ren but not necessarily expecting it, but I do think he is probably going to be book fairly strongly and I think this is going to be a comfortable win for him here.
[SPEAKER_02]: will there be no interference in this matter?
[SPEAKER_01]: David, the fourth match is Utah Ice vs. Great O'Con, so the fact that they have put the knockout guys back to back does make me wonder now that you've mentioned that about some sort of famous special situation, but...
[SPEAKER_01]: Um, do I think there's going to be interest?
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_01]: I do.
[SPEAKER_01]: I do think there will be interference.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think lots of house torture guys are going to come out and I think you to ice is going to come out and try to even the score.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, that is exactly what's going to happen.
[SPEAKER_02]: Then it's a tag match, right?
[SPEAKER_02]: And then I'll turn it over.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I just want to tag and then probably do tag match here.
[SPEAKER_02]: great.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's like me.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I think there will be interference and again, a little smoke and mirrors to kind of get us through where we need to be.
[SPEAKER_02]: So yep, I think that will be my prediction of yep interference galore.
[SPEAKER_01]: Then the fourth match is in the A block U to ice with his debut G1 match against great Ocon.
[SPEAKER_01]: Again, greater card as a guy who I don't have particularly high expectations.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'll be interested to see if he's got his working boots on here.
[SPEAKER_01]: Is he going to answer the line?
[SPEAKER_01]: That's you one of his five years, sure.
[SPEAKER_01]: Is he going to go to the same efforts that other people on this roster have done to make you to ice look good?
[SPEAKER_01]: I will believe it when I see it.
[SPEAKER_01]: I, if I had to choose one or the other, is he going to bump like a mad man and make you to ice look great?
[SPEAKER_01]: Or is he going to absolutely dog it?
[SPEAKER_02]: It's probably going to be, I have no idea, trust me.
[SPEAKER_02]: Now, again, if there's any glimmer of hope,
[SPEAKER_02]: any glimmer of hope.
[SPEAKER_02]: One, it is Utah Ice's first G1 match, so I'm sure he'll want to go out there and impress.
[SPEAKER_02]: And two, Greedocon does love the U.S. Maybe he hits a strip club, the night before, he gets all his horns in this out of him, and he's ready to go.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I don't know.
[SPEAKER_02]: Let's put it this way.
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't trust it.
[SPEAKER_02]: I, I'd be curious to see where where this lands on enjoyable scale, like, like, if I,
[SPEAKER_02]: like I would be stupid to sit here and sit here and say uh yeah this will be great this will be this will be so yeah both guys will have their working shoes on like again if we're looking at history I just can't I don't say it.
[SPEAKER_01]: Have we ever seen a great amount of much where we've said at the end of it wow he made his opponent look brilliant there no well I still think it's performance
[SPEAKER_02]: No.
[SPEAKER_02]: Let alone a five page blog.
[SPEAKER_02]: I couldn't write a paragraph.
[SPEAKER_02]: Sorry.
[SPEAKER_02]: We see things differently.
[SPEAKER_02]: So yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't know.
[SPEAKER_02]: And the thing about it is that I truly believe everybody on that roster.
[SPEAKER_02]: Once again, get the tap on the shoulder, they can deliver.
[SPEAKER_02]: Deliver, like I'll be the first person to fucking say I was wrong wrong I don't think I'm going to be saying that but okay fingers crossed make me wrong
[SPEAKER_01]: Fifth match is show to Umano versus Zack Saber Jr in the B-block.
[SPEAKER_01]: Now, this is a bit of surprising.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's a big match.
[SPEAKER_01]: They've got great chemistry.
[SPEAKER_01]: They've got a really good category of matches between them.
[SPEAKER_01]: Obviously, this was a rest of Kingdom main event a couple of years ago.
[SPEAKER_01]: But this is the fifth match.
[SPEAKER_01]: The fact that this is not tie up the guard.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's a surprise to me.
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know if this is kind of like a sort of pre-intermission spot that they are kind of penciling this in to be a big one,
[SPEAKER_01]: put some other matches as a buffer between that and stuff coming later on in the card like the match following this is got a versus sonada.
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know, just it seems like it's a strange choice in terms of card placement.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, yeah, you would think it would be higher.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I don't, I don't have a great answer as to why it's placed there.
[SPEAKER_02]: And again, maybe it's just pacing the the show and they felt like that would be the spot to do it.
[SPEAKER_02]: I think the match will be very good.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm excited for it, actually.
[SPEAKER_02]: I can't believe they've wrestled so many singles matches together.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's pretty amazing.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: Again, it should be very good.
[SPEAKER_02]: I think I think, again, Zach always delivers.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm not worried about him.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm not even worried about shows.
[SPEAKER_02]: I think I think we're getting a wrestling kingdom main event in half-medicates.
[SPEAKER_02]: I can't shit on that.
[SPEAKER_02]: So yeah, I think it'll be one of the better matches in the night.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I feel the assignment here, not just in this match, but in the tournament, is to get show to over.
[SPEAKER_01]: And if anyone is going to be good at doing that, it's going to be Zack Saber Jr.
[SPEAKER_01]: So I'm very interested to see how that matches worked.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I don't know, do you think the winner is significant?
[SPEAKER_01]: Do you think that it's important for show to win this in front of the American fans to...
[SPEAKER_01]: get his tournament off on the right foot and establish him as a serious contender by being a former G1 win or former World Champion in Zack.
[SPEAKER_02]: I think I had to get one to help.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I think I think he does get a win here.
[SPEAKER_02]: I really do.
[SPEAKER_02]: because for all the reasons that you just mentioned, like it's okay if Zach loses, like because Zach will get wins and he'll be in the mix and nowhere he's there.
[SPEAKER_02]: But if anybody is strong enough to put him over, it's Zach and put him over in a strong way.
[SPEAKER_02]: So it wouldn't hurt to have him get that win right out of the gate, shock a little couple people and wake up in an American audience that,
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm not going to say it's cold on him, but, you know, needs a little, needs a little waking up to the fact that, you know, the sky where we're counting on you, we need you to be a, we need you to be a guy.
[SPEAKER_02]: So we have, let's, I say you wins and I think the match will be great.
[SPEAKER_01]: Safe match, as I mentioned before, in the A-block, it's a heroicic goto against Salada.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm interested to hear in the reception that goto gets, because I still think he's a bit of a commodity in Japan.
[SPEAKER_01]: Obviously, he's a former World Champion, fairly recently, he's in the Street Fighter movie, and he's not, he wasn't in the G-1 last year, unless we forget, so he's returning to the G-1.
[SPEAKER_01]: It feels like he's not really had any showcase singles matches since the title run.
[SPEAKER_01]: It feels like you've kind of been kept away from things almost.
[SPEAKER_01]: So, I'll be interested to see how the American fans react to him, like do they treat him like a former World Champion?
[SPEAKER_01]: Will they be excited to see him?
[SPEAKER_01]: Are they going to be
[SPEAKER_01]: cheering for him.
[SPEAKER_01]: And also we talked about some out of a four like a few weeks ago and what his presentation is going to be like during the tournament is it going to be just house a torture guy number three where there's lots of interference and cheating or is it going to be doing something different?
[SPEAKER_01]: I think in the press conference today he said that he was going to be taking it seriously and not going to be doing all the shenanigans.
[SPEAKER_01]: So I'm curious to see what this match looks like.
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't have particularly high hopes for it, but I think there are a
[SPEAKER_01]: variables there, at least make it interesting to me going into it.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I'll just a couple of the points.
[SPEAKER_02]: One, the good news is, while it might not be this
[SPEAKER_02]: The people that are going to be there are die-harts, you know what I mean?
[SPEAKER_02]: So I think Goethe was going to get a strong reaction and a strong reception.
[SPEAKER_02]: Sonata, quite honestly, when him saying I'm going to take the seriously, I'm going to, you know, I came out last year, you know, and goofy outfit and everybody kind of was talking
[SPEAKER_02]: Um, and he says he's going to take it seriously, screams to me that he's not taking it seriously.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: He's going to come out in a fucking clown suit.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: And all the other sonatas coming out of the car, you know, uh, um,
[SPEAKER_02]: Look, these guys have wrestled many times before.
[SPEAKER_02]: These guys know the deal.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm hoping they pull a rabbit out of their hats.
[SPEAKER_02]: And when I say pull a rabbit out of their hat, I mean, son out of pulling a rabbit out of his hat.
[SPEAKER_02]: And they have a really solid match.
[SPEAKER_02]: I think GoTo is excited.
[SPEAKER_02]: I think GoTo was a chip on his shoulder, being back in it.
[SPEAKER_02]: So this has the potential to be a dark horse
[SPEAKER_02]: match of the night.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm going to say that.
[SPEAKER_02]: Again, the variable is Sonata.
[SPEAKER_02]: And what version of Sonata do we get at Hoffman in the States?
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't know.
[SPEAKER_02]: Once again, I just don't have confidence.
[SPEAKER_02]: Could this match be good?
[SPEAKER_02]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_02]: I think that's, I think good is the baseline.
[SPEAKER_02]: Good is the starting point.
[SPEAKER_02]: Can they elevate it?
[SPEAKER_02]: Again, this is close to the
[SPEAKER_02]: Instead of his fucking big goofy clown shoes, put on your working boots, do give me give me that and again He's coming off of injuries coming off of everything like there's just so many fucking things that you're just like Can we can we can we have can we have the good thing?
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't know.
[SPEAKER_02]: I wish I could sit here and be confident and say, yep, it'll be great.
[SPEAKER_02]: It could be great.
[SPEAKER_02]: And it could also be like fart and church.
[SPEAKER_01]: We'll see.
[SPEAKER_01]: 7th match is the B-block tournament match with you, Oemner against Calum Newman, so a rematch of the New Japan Cup final here.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: So obviously last time it was a glorious win for Calum Newman, become the youngest ever at New Japan Cup Champion.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'd have been interested what you think should be the objective in this match here.
[SPEAKER_01]: Who do you think needs to win?
[SPEAKER_01]: Or do you think this is just the case of going out and having a really good match?
[SPEAKER_02]: do you want?
[SPEAKER_01]: No, it's not.
[SPEAKER_01]: It says third.
[SPEAKER_01]: Jesus Christ.
[SPEAKER_02]: Wow, boy.
[SPEAKER_02]: The potentials there to have a great match.
[SPEAKER_02]: Don't get me wrong.
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't, like if if you put a gun in my head and said who needs it more, I would tell you.
[SPEAKER_02]: But I feel like this is a calumnite.
[SPEAKER_02]: This also could be match the match of the night.
[SPEAKER_02]: The positioning they're going to give a time.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, I was going to say the opposite, I think.
[SPEAKER_01]: This is the seventh match out of nine.
[SPEAKER_01]: So I think.
[SPEAKER_01]: this is going to be significantly shorter than the New Japan Cartfightals they had.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like, yeah, I think so.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I was going to speculate, well actually, how long was that match?
[SPEAKER_01]: That's a good thing that I should look up here.
[SPEAKER_01]: Because I was going to say it could be in a situation where in being required to be briefer, that they might actually have a, not a better match, but like a different kind of match,
[SPEAKER_01]: Dynamic match more, I thought I'd kind of trim the fat a bit, yeah, if you see what I'm saying.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, no, I do.
[SPEAKER_01]: Um, less of the melodrama and, you don't think they're given them less than 20 minutes, do you?
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm just checking how long the final lasted.
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, so the final was 25 minutes and 52 seconds.
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_01]: So I'll call it the, there is a 30 minute time limit on this as it is the G1 climax, but I think it goes less than that.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think it does like, I don't know, maybe 15.
[SPEAKER_01]: Really?
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, again, we're talking five minutes.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's not, you know, earth shattering.
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't know, I think they go 20.
[SPEAKER_02]: It does have the potential to be really good though.
[SPEAKER_02]: Really does.
[SPEAKER_02]: Do you think it matters who wins or lose?
[SPEAKER_01]: I would like to see them get behind you.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I know like he had his runs, then you'd Japan can't find all.
[SPEAKER_01]: But I want to see them get back as sustained pressure.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I think he gets his win back here.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm down.
[SPEAKER_02]: I think here's what I mean, in a rather selfish fashion, and again, I'm saying Kalon Newman is not a New Japan guy, 100% it's don't get me wrong.
[SPEAKER_02]: I would love to see New Japan born and bred guys getting a wins to establish them.
[SPEAKER_02]: and a positive light to the fans out there, even though the fans are going to be there, are the hardcore of the hardcore I would think?
[SPEAKER_02]: I still would like to see that opening thing.
[SPEAKER_02]: This, I've said this seven times, but I think a lot of people have this circle that's match of the night.
[SPEAKER_02]: Uh, like if they're looking for like anything other than the main event, like to stay has a potential to be really fucking good.
[SPEAKER_01]: 8th match is a block tournament match, Oleg Bolton versus your hit, oh my god.
[SPEAKER_01]: I get really interesting choice for a semi-main event.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I love it.
[SPEAKER_01]: I like the fact that they're putting to relatively young guys here, guys with a point to prove.
[SPEAKER_01]: And the fact that this is the penultimate match, the semi-main event, if you like, suggest to me that they are going to give it time.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I'm excited for this when I, and again, I'm just analyzing this thinking what needs to happen in this match, what needs to be achieved in front of this American crowd.
[SPEAKER_01]: Because it's a unique opportunity there.
[SPEAKER_01]: And it's almost like you've got two opening nights for the G1HM, there's this show, which almost feels separate from the tournament itself.
[SPEAKER_01]: And it feels like there's a second opening night when they do have the
[SPEAKER_01]: kick off show when it's exactly.
[SPEAKER_01]: I feel that's important.
[SPEAKER_01]: I should look that up.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's like a week isn't it?
[SPEAKER_01]: A week later.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, week later in Hokkaido.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: It would be nice to have it be something that sticks in people's mind to say, okay, I can't wait for this week to get over because I can't wait for light, too.
[SPEAKER_02]: That is my
[SPEAKER_02]: Um, yeah, they are going to give it time.
[SPEAKER_02]: And, you know, this has the potential to be, I mean, I don't, I don't expect you to go fucking looking it up, but, you know, it's not like, either of these guys have, you know, 25 minute matches or a ton of them under their belts.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's for fucking sure.
[SPEAKER_02]: So there is a part of me that while they could give it lots and lots of time,
[SPEAKER_02]: They might, they might give Newman and Uya the time and cool down the crowd a little bit with this one.
[SPEAKER_02]: Again, it still could be great.
[SPEAKER_02]: I guarantee you will see a suplexer to probably and then we're rising back up for the main event.
[SPEAKER_02]: Um, if again, this is so interesting because there's so much unknown, like this is a big time spot for both of those guys.
[SPEAKER_01]: like, oh, choice isn't it?
[SPEAKER_01]: Like, they could have done something like, I don't know, Schingo again, got her what was that versus something like with guys who are established entities and commodities for the US crowd, but no, they've gone with two guys who, I don't know if they've worked in the States before.
[SPEAKER_01]: So they've picked two, oh, no, no, I'm sorry guys.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, yes, yeah, of course.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, well, you know, oh, we're definitely has as well.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, because I remember he wrestled gay kid didn't eat for the strong title at some point.
[SPEAKER_01]: But my point is that this is a statement of intent to pick two guys who, you know, are not established commodities in the New York family roster and put them in a big spot like this.
[SPEAKER_01]: And so, right, these are two guys you need to pay attention to, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: Right.
[SPEAKER_02]: You know, New Japan usually doesn't do the
[SPEAKER_02]: but I described of, all right, let's cool down the crowd for the main event, like there are, when we get into this business end of the show, it's, you know, the graph is shooting up.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's not, they're not booking shit to cool down a crowd.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, interesting spot, interesting fucking spot.
[SPEAKER_02]: You think both of those guys have a chip with no shoulder to go out there and fucking deliver.
[SPEAKER_02]: Boy, this is, um, this is, this is pretty great.
[SPEAKER_02]: This is pretty great because the, the upside of this Joel is people talking about this and people being like, whoa, you got a fucking see that match.
[SPEAKER_02]: And, and honestly, the downside is is good match.
[SPEAKER_02]: They've got experience, they have more in the tank and imagine we'll be in two or three years.
[SPEAKER_02]: Like that's to me, that's the downside, which I think is a very positive thing to begin with.
[SPEAKER_02]: But boy, if they fucking knocked a ball out of the park, that would be incredibly great.
[SPEAKER_02]: Be to shit out of each other.
[SPEAKER_01]: And Charles and I have voices, what your expectations for OE was booking in the G1?
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't know, and that's kind of what I opened up with with this show.
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know.
[SPEAKER_02]: Again, if we're just going by history at the past year and year and a half, you would think he's looking at the lights more often than not.
[SPEAKER_02]: Somebody's got to be looking at the lights more often than not.
[SPEAKER_02]: Um, he might be, he might be that guy, but New Japan's weird man, they might be like, he goes on this magical run and they always do that.
[SPEAKER_02]: They do always do the people that you think, oh, Christ almighty, they're, they're not even making the semis, ah, they go on this heater for like four matches, you know, they, you know, they went in three out of four or even four, um, there's always that, so that is something
[SPEAKER_02]: I think at the end of the day that he's losing what then he's winning.
[SPEAKER_02]: Somebody has to.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I don't know, it's for, again, I'm not, I'm not ready mentally to start doing my pickups yet and start giving my, you know, all predictions about who's going to do what.
[SPEAKER_01]: These are two guys who I feel are both ripe for getting a person to be established as significant players in the heavyweight division,
[SPEAKER_01]: until it happens, it hasn't happened yet.
[SPEAKER_01]: If you're not in me, like I've been guys, it just seems that the pattern with the glacial booking of New Japan that it would take about four years of me saying, oh, this is this guy's year, this isn't year he's gonna get pushed and get to the final before it actually happens.
[SPEAKER_01]: So whilst I think there is a strong case to be made for both of you guys going deep in the tournament, I don't think, I,
[SPEAKER_01]: Not that I don't think it will happen, but I believe it want to see it basically.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's hard to put money down on it, yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: But here's the positive job.
[SPEAKER_02]: Under that thinking, this is Greedle Kanji here.
[SPEAKER_01]: Right O'Conan is going on a run, Gokki Goa, and the finally like the main event here, the ninth match is in the A-Block, Kanozkei, to catch that versus Yota Suji.
[SPEAKER_01]: So another Wrestle King, this was on a Wrestle King's and main event, was it a Wrestle King and a semi-main event, really much here.
[SPEAKER_01]: Again, what needs to happen here is this
[SPEAKER_01]: your top guy in the tournament.
[SPEAKER_01]: He is your world champion.
[SPEAKER_01]: Is this where he goes out and proves a point to the American fans to show his values.
[SPEAKER_01]: He says, yeah, I'm the ace of this company now.
[SPEAKER_01]: Or is this a point where to catch the gets his win back and possibly get another crack at the title somewhere in the autumn?
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, we're hoping that you see this one going.
[SPEAKER_02]: Joel, this is Tony Carter, if you know.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yes.
[SPEAKER_02]: I can't, I don't, I mean, getting the win back.
[SPEAKER_02]: I think it's important.
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know.
[SPEAKER_01]: The optics of having this, one of the, like this big New Japan show in the States and having an AEW guy closing the show is the winner of the main event.
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, let's be honest here.
[SPEAKER_02]: Aside from the hardcore, he's the most famous.
[SPEAKER_02]: But TV star, turn on the TV guy in that building.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, but he doesn't work for a new Japan.
[SPEAKER_01]: Does he?
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, D10.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I'm curious.
[SPEAKER_01]: How do you think the American fans react to him?
[SPEAKER_01]: Do you think they will treat him as like, oh, this is new Japan stock to catch the like they're going to cheer for him like everyone else.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm curious is to see if there's going to be any different people who could get one of the largest Evations of the night.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, probably.
[SPEAKER_02]: And it's hard for me to sit here and justify him not winning.
[SPEAKER_02]: even though for the good of the company, you would absolutely want to do that, just all the things outlined above, I'm not saying to any concert in there with a fucking phone in his hands saying, I don't want to see him, you know, looking at the lights.
[SPEAKER_02]: But I'm saying, I want to be suppliers of Tony Collins, like, well, you got to make wrestle kingdom, but now we're here in the States and guess what, we're running a show like the next month.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I mean, maybe this was part of the deal, going back to the book in a wrestle kingdom.
[SPEAKER_02]: Could it be, could it be, don't know for sure, but could it be, I just don't know how you close this show without him being,
[SPEAKER_02]: And again, even though he works in AEW a lot, you know, he's technically both TV champion
[SPEAKER_02]: Again, aside from, well, but it would help New Japan Pro Wrestling establish stars, give me the reason how wide to catch the looks of the lights.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I know, I only reason would be that the necessity to solidify your to suit you as the top guy in the company.
[SPEAKER_02]: Look, again, I'm with you.
[SPEAKER_02]: I just don't see that, I just don't, and that doesn't diminish the light of this match of, you know, this is closing night one of G1, big time spot, big spot light, they're going to give them time, both guys can fucking go, they'll deliver, I mean if we're looking at winners and losers, I'm just, I can't see to catch the losing twice.
[SPEAKER_02]: You know, domes one thing.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's a big show of the year.
[SPEAKER_02]: Is this one, is this the big show of the year for New Japan Paraslin?
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know, I don't know.
[SPEAKER_02]: You excited?
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, I am.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: I think the show is gonna be really fun.
[SPEAKER_02]: Again, I'm excited for the,
[SPEAKER_02]: Just what do you got up your sleeve guys, you know, who's, who's going to come out star the night?
[SPEAKER_02]: Who's going to come out?
[SPEAKER_02]: Getting people talking again, it's G1 and as much as people have turned their back on this product and again in a lot of cases rightfully sell in some cases.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's like okay.
[SPEAKER_02]: We really ever fan.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's
[SPEAKER_02]: people parachute them for G1.
[SPEAKER_02]: So to get off on a good foot, you're in front of it might not be the biggest crowd, but it'll be the we're there for it.
[SPEAKER_02]: You know what I mean?
[SPEAKER_02]: We're there for it.
[SPEAKER_02]: We know we know what this is.
[SPEAKER_02]: So I hope they deliver.
[SPEAKER_02]: A lot of guys, it's nobody, nobody there is
[SPEAKER_02]: have career-defining moments for some of these guys.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I'm there for like, go, go, go kids because, you know, we need you.
[SPEAKER_02]: We need it more than, I can't say more than they would need it.
[SPEAKER_02]: But we need it just as bad.
[SPEAKER_02]: Become a star.
[SPEAKER_02]: As Jim Ross would say,
[SPEAKER_02]: Make yourself a star, oh, boy, boy, that's the worst J, I don't even know what that was.
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, you know, I'm a star kid.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I'm a good shot for a star, my barbecue sauce.
[SPEAKER_02]: All right, there you go, there's G1, for those of you traveling, I'll see you there.
[SPEAKER_02]: Those of you not, you'll have a $10 tier where you'll get, it'll be like yet, yeah, you're right there with us.
[SPEAKER_02]: And you don't have to leave your couch.
[SPEAKER_02]: How about that?
[SPEAKER_02]: How great is that?
[SPEAKER_02]: Technology, I cannot believe I'm doing this, but...
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm doing it.
[SPEAKER_02]: I committed it.
[SPEAKER_01]: Get your fucking bullets out now!
[SPEAKER_01]: Do it now!
[SPEAKER_01]: I know.
[SPEAKER_02]: You'll see me through here.
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, she's the lead.
[SPEAKER_02]: Uh, yeah, you could see me be very uncomfortable for another counter.
[SPEAKER_02]: You'd be great.
[SPEAKER_02]: They'll love it just for that.
[SPEAKER_00]: Alright, um...
[SPEAKER_00]: Anything else on the docket?
[SPEAKER_01]: Bye, everyone.