[SPEAKER_00]: Hello, everybody.
[SPEAKER_00]: JJ Cooper, Jacob Rudner, Carliske Lawso, in what was possibly the worst setup we've ever had for one of these, we're going live though, but I don't think anyone's gonna complain because we wanna talk to you about the day one.
[SPEAKER_00]: Of the amount we draft, which was both completely as expected and completely unexpected.
[SPEAKER_00]: I felt like at the same time, Carlisle, let's start with the expected.
[SPEAKER_00]: Rock, rock, rock, rock, rock, rock, rock, Chalowski, we will play a part of Chalowski.
[SPEAKER_00]: Chalowski, how does want to make sure that's clear?
[SPEAKER_00]: Chalowski, but Rock Chalowski goes one one, the UCLA shortstop, as predicted the mock, but also, as kind of had been the, like, the expectation, but obviously at just a slight level, but the expectation,
[SPEAKER_00]: month after month after month, right?
[SPEAKER_00]: Grady Emerson, too, like, was there anything that surprised you at the top?
[SPEAKER_00]: Or is it, nope, we would chalk and that's, there wasn't any intrigue to it.
[SPEAKER_01]: Now, first four picks, I think, like, everyone would have expected that, like nothing was shocking.
[SPEAKER_01]: Even five Derek Curial to the Pirates, like we'd heard some rummlings and Curial is not super far off the board in that range.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think it's Zion Rose, probably at six.
[SPEAKER_01]: That was maybe the first kind of shocking pick or like player that no one really would have expected, no one was projecting to go there.
[SPEAKER_01]: We'd heard some whispers of Zion rose, but to think that that was the most likely pick.
[SPEAKER_01]: That one was interesting and then we also thought it was going to be a very hit or heavy at the top of the graph this year.
[SPEAKER_01]: It was exceptionally hit or heavy, maybe the most hit or heavy draft we've seen.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think ever his story, this tied inside top 10 and I think going on.
[SPEAKER_00]: And on the top 15 it was the most because there had never been only one picture in the top 15 before.
[SPEAKER_01]: And then the other theme that stood out to me is we were watching hitters come off the board and sing some surprising picks like Jake Schaffner.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think at 20 to the red socks, maybe the biggest surprise in the first round, sounds like the red socks got scooped a little bit in front of that pick, but every single hitter who was at the top of our board had great contact skills.
[SPEAKER_01]: A lot of the guys who didn't slid in this draft, I don't know, that feels like a little bit of a theme of the draft to me beyond, hey, so like the top three went top three.
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, now this is both of you, but I guess we'll start with Jacob.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like you mentioned Zion Rose, Zion Rose was kind of the first like, oh, surprise pick, but I do want to lay out that like, that's one of those surprises where it's not that much of this surprise.
[SPEAKER_00]: If you look at our rankings, you may go, oh, he went significantly higher, but we've been trying to say we've been trying to emphasize over and over here.
[SPEAKER_00]: One team may have Drew Burris here, and another team may have Zion Rose, and another team may have Derek Coriel.
[SPEAKER_00]: There wasn't this massive gap of separation, whereas there was, if you said, oh, I'm gonna take one of these guys over great Emerson or Von Lackey.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like Zion Rose is not like, wow, that was out of the blue pick at that pick, is it?
[SPEAKER_02]: No, I don't think so.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I think that like you just said one of the things that was a theme going into this draft was just El variable picks like eight through about 30 or 40 could have been.
[SPEAKER_02]: You really could have justified any order.
[SPEAKER_02]: And and to the Zion rose point, we did know that Zion rose was somebody who had late helium.
[SPEAKER_02]: He was somebody who We really liked going into this draft.
[SPEAKER_02]: He has a lot of the skills that play at the top of the board.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I think we also saw that there was kind of a premium on to let us Ism.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: At the top of this year's draft of which Zion Rose has ample, and so that is another reason why I think it's not really that crazy of a pick at all.
[SPEAKER_02]: I think that if you're really going down the board, it would be a little bit more noticeable, but this felt within range for a draft that did have a lot of murkiness beyond our top four or five picks.
[SPEAKER_00]: So to Carlos, like with that pick and some of the others in that range, where any of those, like you said, okay, we know that the Red Sox picked, that's a different level.
[SPEAKER_00]: Before that was there, any others where you're like, oh, that surprised me a lot, or was it more of like, these were guys, again, that the murky middle of that first round was always gonna be murky.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I think up until 20, everything felt like we expected this draft to feel even Jacob Lombard sliding to 14, like we had heard some rumblings like Jacob Lombard.
[SPEAKER_01]: There's probably the most likely of that top six to slide he was.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think he's the one with the most significant swing and miss questions.
[SPEAKER_01]: in that grouping, Joe Rojas turns out he really didn't slide that much.
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, I know he was talked about as a potential pick in the first 10 Justin Lebron.
[SPEAKER_01]: He goes around kind of the range we expected him to go off the board in terms of his floor.
[SPEAKER_01]: So yeah, I thought at the top it was it was kind of what we were thinking could happen in that range if that makes sense.
[SPEAKER_00]: So the pictures, as you said, we did have Jackson Florego 4, but then we just waited an awful long time to get out of the picture's name.
[SPEAKER_01]: We had Cole Hamles up there not being able to talk about players.
[SPEAKER_01]: We had Lance, has waited for Lance to do some work on the broadcast.
[SPEAKER_01]: He had no arms to talk about.
[SPEAKER_01]: It was very hit or heavy.
[SPEAKER_00]: But then we did get to the pitchers in the, you know, not a run, but we did have a number of pitchers, especially when we got around pick 20.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I would say in this class that feels actually logical in some ways, because we also kept talking about how this was a class where after a clear number one pitching prospect, Jackson, Florida, after a clear number one on the high school side, geo rowhouse, but he's not high school pitcher, he's a fluffy,
[SPEAKER_00]: Dressed of it was guys who it was going to be a little bit of some to you thought this guy something's team sing this guy, but none of them were really we kept saying all year, who's going to claim the mantle of the college SP2?
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, second starter.
[SPEAKER_00]: And the answer is no one.
[SPEAKER_00]: Unclaimed, but you did see something to start to go off the work.
[SPEAKER_01]: You did.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think Liam Peterson to the Guardians at 19 is a really interesting fit.
[SPEAKER_01]: Coleman Borthwick to the podgers at 21 makes a ton of sense for what they were doing Cameron Flooky.
[SPEAKER_01]: No, it is interesting.
[SPEAKER_01]: All three of our pre-season college pitchers that that floor of Peterson Flooky range.
[SPEAKER_01]: They were the first three college pitchers to come off the board.
[SPEAKER_01]: No one behind them, I guess, did enough this spring to give teams confidence that they are definitely the guy.
[SPEAKER_01]: And then the Carson Wiggins pick at 27 to the Metz.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm sure you got that.
[SPEAKER_01]: I know you like that.
[SPEAKER_01]: I love it.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, that was a fun one to me.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like why do you like that?
[SPEAKER_01]: That course we can speak.
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, I just think the upside.
[SPEAKER_02]: Like that point in the draft.
[SPEAKER_02]: There are so few sure things like we're saying on the broadcast day.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I thought it was a great point.
[SPEAKER_02]: There's really only a certain range of guys that you can go and feel reliably.
[SPEAKER_02]: You're going to go and be a starter or have starter traits even at that point in the draft.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's one of the most electric players available this year.
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, it's a fastball when he's healthy.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's up to 102.
[SPEAKER_02]: There's an electric slider in there.
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, it's, it's real stuff.
[SPEAKER_02]: And so the question is, if he's going to be healthy, how fast is he going to move?
[SPEAKER_02]: Right.
[SPEAKER_02]: I think the answer is potentially very quickly, and that was kind of the conversation about Carson Wiggins before this season.
[SPEAKER_02]: Like, we were talking about him, you and I, before the year is somebody who we thought could be easily at first round, if he had even a slight opportunity to go and play towards the end of the year, he didn't get that chance.
[SPEAKER_02]: But he was still on the first round because I think that the starter potential, but really the stuff by itself is just so loud.
[SPEAKER_00]: We've got our first check question, Chris Bobona's working the board here.
[SPEAKER_00]: So we've got a don't exempt really, how has he fell out on the first four rounds?
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know that Dominic Santorelli was ever a guarantee to go in that first round range.
[SPEAKER_01]: We had him ranked number 146 right now.
[SPEAKER_01]: I imagine if he doesn't go very early tomorrow, we're going to get excited about seeing what he can do with a metal bat.
[SPEAKER_01]: I know Jay Johnson is probably very excited to not hear his name called right now to keep that elite class intact a little bit.
[SPEAKER_01]: To say that like he fell out of the first four rounds to me would maybe indicate that like he was locked into go in that range where I don't necessarily think that was the case if he he just kind of on that fringe from me where if he did go on that in the top four unsurprising if he doesn't also kind of unsurprising I think there are some profile questions maybe some swing a miss questions that would make people hesitant.
[SPEAKER_01]: And also, if he maybe had a really high price tag, maybe he wanted top two rounds money.
[SPEAKER_01]: If he didn't get that, all of a sudden, you don't feel like you can sign and that could it very easily have happened as well.
[SPEAKER_00]: So, okay, we talked about, so at the top, with a little further on that, Chilowski, Emerson, Lackey, Floor, a Couriel, Zion Rose, we mentioned.
[SPEAKER_00]: Eric Booth to the Orles, which was, again, that's a guy who was taught to be top to here.
[SPEAKER_00]: Drew Burris to the A's, AJ Groscia to the Braise, been badler, is some sure very excited about that picture.
[SPEAKER_01]: He's like, Terri Couriel, I'm going to let a bit early on.
[SPEAKER_01]: And he did beat me on Burst too, Burst went high, but we all had our, we all had to take my lost though, because so your Stroke Snyder, maybe one of the bigger followers in this draft.
[SPEAKER_00]: But goes back to, okay, so let's talk about this theme that you brought up earlier.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_00]: If there's a theme of this that seemed to stand out, the theme is, if you're a position player who has swing and miss has contact concerns.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: Those players seem to fall, even if they have big time power, whereas if you had elite contact skills, or if you'd be a plus hitter, with questions about your power, those guys seem to go higher this year.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and I wonder if teams are just now looking at the track record of guys that have a lot of swing and missing college, maybe didn't hit for super high averages.
[SPEAKER_01]: and trying to see Jacob Lombard if let's we can focus in on college profiles maybe because I think that's works more interesting to me maybe more apparent.
[SPEAKER_01]: Justin LeBron has some hate risk but I don't know that it was like pure contact risk to the same degree that some guys like so your Stroke's nine are eradicated so well who slipped a little bit further and then you're looking at guys in the 20s like
[SPEAKER_01]: Trane Ebel Carter Beck who make a lot of contact Taj Marshall on land and tell me Tyler Spangler like no one in the top 30 35 picks really has significant swing and miss questions game of Jackson's probably your first guy Just inside the top four.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah 37 to the Rockies with their first pick then you then you start to see guys like Carson Tini
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, a Texas catcher who went 43 to the twins.
[SPEAKER_01]: Some of those profiles started to be Rocco, Miniscalco at 50, some swimming in Miss questions there.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it did really seem like a class where you got punished pretty heavily.
[SPEAKER_01]: If you had Miss questions, Cadence Rell, goes number 62 to the cubs.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think yes, first round tools, first round athleticism.
[SPEAKER_01]: We ranked him inside the first round.
[SPEAKER_01]: And so your straws nine are 66 to the brewers.
[SPEAKER_01]: If you're a brewers fan, I'd be thrilled with this pick
[SPEAKER_01]: If he hits, and I think there's some reasons to buy into some improvements he could make at the next level, it's tremendous secondary tools and impact and upside, but yeah, it was interesting to see.
[SPEAKER_00]: Now our question we have here is, is will Grinnell or Noah Grinnell or the Angels for Trump pick B2A?
[SPEAKER_00]: He was announced as an outfielder.
[SPEAKER_00]: I, again, that doesn't mean anything that's a serial.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, you're a real, you're a real, you're a real, you're just about to know what.
[SPEAKER_01]: But were you guys surprised and not hear him analysis of two-way player?
[SPEAKER_01]: Because I kind of was.
[SPEAKER_01]: Even if even if I thought teams prefer him as a hitter, which I think they do, I could be going to speak more to this.
[SPEAKER_02]: It feels like the two of you guys kind of always get announced as two of you guys and maybe the Yeah, I was a little surprised if you were to not get them announced it both ways just because it kind of leaves the option open Where is this it feels like you really shut down Like the path has been has been laid, but I do think that the future for him is right the bat in his hands And so at the end of the day is it is it that big of a deal is it you know really string from what's gonna ultimately happen?
[SPEAKER_02]: Probably not but I do think that it was a little bit surprising
[SPEAKER_00]: I will say obviously to talk about that angels pick a little bit and I'll see we also had a comment by someone saying that they liked what the angels did, krypton 18, I think right there.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's the angels.
[SPEAKER_00]: But I do think with the angels like, obviously it's the first prep first pick since they went Jordan Adams 2018, Joe at L 2017.
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, wow, that's the Shoeotani is joining the team era of the angels.
[SPEAKER_00]: So it's been a while for that.
[SPEAKER_00]: I do think, obviously, John Lizelax there, so we do have a new head in our head.
[SPEAKER_00]: But I think on top of that, I do think that there is at least some realization we're seeing that the angels have come to a realization that their approach wasn't really working, right?
[SPEAKER_00]: Like, it did work with Zack Neto.
[SPEAKER_00]: It did work to some extent with some other guys like a no-one channel, no-one channel,
[SPEAKER_00]: It's been okay, but what it hasn't done is it's like given them any actual success Right speeding these guys up.
[SPEAKER_00]: Tyler Brumner is on seems like what I would describe as a much more traditional path developmentally this year Hey now Varaz who's I would say one of the best developing young angels prospects is in low-way Whereas Nelson Roda was sent like hey you're going to rock at city
[SPEAKER_00]: I feel like that grilling or kind of as to that, that this is the guy who's one of the youngest players in the draft class, right?
[SPEAKER_00]: This is not a, oh, you're gonna speed him to the majors.
[SPEAKER_01]: I just wanna say you're not gonna speed this 17.2.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think it says age on draft.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Speaking of the majors, I really like the fact that the angels have gone to, what I would think is the best player available pick, kind of just not worrying about that ETA factor, because I do think it has led them to maybe some sub-alphimal picks.
[SPEAKER_01]: In the past, we had heard that they're associated with more high school profiles.
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know that I've necessarily thought it would be crumbling your in particular, but I just think it's a fun pic to see from an organization that has been super college heavy.
[SPEAKER_01]: They were college heavy in the second third and fourth with Jiren Edvin Kula, who I think that's good value at 45.
[SPEAKER_01]: I thought he could have gone in the back half of the first Gavin Grohovic.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's used me in the third round.
[SPEAKER_01]: This is not my favorite profile, but I pick 81.
[SPEAKER_01]: I really like that.
[SPEAKER_00]: But this guy could have a first round or going in with you.
[SPEAKER_01]: If you're in Lujo as well in the fourth round, I think there are tools, defensive profiles to like there.
[SPEAKER_01]: So I'm not sure who mentioned the angels here, but I tend to agree I like what they did this year.
[SPEAKER_02]: I also think that, you know, to the point of the angels in their affinity for proximity, it's not like they didn't get that today.
[SPEAKER_02]: I think they just appropriately, they had those guys in the right spot this year, whereas I think in years past we've seen them kind of reach for that in the first round, whereas this year to your point, you get a guy in Jared Grinlinger who's a very talented, very raw player, somebody who does need a little bit longer of a developmental runway, but you have Jared and Vinkiller who's a no doubt second baseman with one of the best
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't foresee him getting much stronger or bigger in the sense that he's really going to change his game quite quickly.
[SPEAKER_02]: Exactly, I think Gavin Grahovic is a great example of somebody who could move fast and Lujo, you know, there are some things to figure out defensively with him, but that's another guy who I think offensively speaking, fits their fast moving potential profile.
[SPEAKER_02]: And in this year, I think that the value of those guys happened a little bit more like this way of lining them up.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: Next question is thoughts on the rangers getting Bumilla and Ross, Brody Bumilla and Gioro Ross.
[SPEAKER_00]: So they get two prep lefties.
[SPEAKER_01]: And not just those two.
[SPEAKER_01]: Let's not bury those.
[SPEAKER_01]: Let's not bury.
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, that's the lead.
[SPEAKER_00]: That is the lead.
[SPEAKER_00]: So you're not wearing the lead, but let's not bury the rest of the...
[SPEAKER_01]: When I saw this, see, this is my brain fog of still not putting everything together.
[SPEAKER_01]: I was thinking, Ruger Riohoss?
[SPEAKER_01]: No.
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[SPEAKER_01]: No
[SPEAKER_01]: Do you mean like getting him in the third round?
[SPEAKER_01]: This is one of the more terrifying profiles in the draft, but to get him in the third.
[SPEAKER_01]: And again, we say this over and over and over again, if you're taking in the first 10 rounds, we're expecting you to sign until we hear otherwise.
[SPEAKER_01]: Connor Komo, I really like, I know Jacob really likes him.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'll sign me up on him too.
[SPEAKER_01]: I like JJ.
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, it's something beautiful swing.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it is tremendous.
[SPEAKER_01]: And then Hudson Calvator rounded out.
[SPEAKER_01]: This is a lovely upside draft for me.
[SPEAKER_00]: I like it a lot, Jacob.
[SPEAKER_00]: So outspir, B.A.
[SPEAKER_00]: But you don't possibly know, but also B.A.
[SPEAKER_00]: Brudsex correspondent.
[SPEAKER_00]: Brody Bemila tells Maddie Sports that Rangers will sign in for first round money.
[SPEAKER_00]: He'll undergo Tommy Johnson to start his poke career.
[SPEAKER_01]: So first round money, that's at least.
[SPEAKER_01]: $3 million.
[SPEAKER_01]: We're looking at here.
[SPEAKER_01]: Could be a little bit more.
[SPEAKER_00]: And again, I'm going to tell you right now.
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't think Geo Rollos is taking a haircut.
[SPEAKER_01]: Nope.
[SPEAKER_01]: That would be surprising.
[SPEAKER_01]: Slot value for the 16th overall pick.
[SPEAKER_01]: It was just over five million.
[SPEAKER_01]: So maybe the ranges are going to have to dip into the senior demographic.
[SPEAKER_01]: Got some more.
[SPEAKER_01]: This one's up.
[SPEAKER_00]: We've got to slam dunk easy one here.
[SPEAKER_00]: Question for the baseball America folks.
[SPEAKER_00]: Why did Rintaro Suzuki drop out of day one?
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, that was true.
[SPEAKER_00]: Sorry, that was true, but he was never going to go in the first round.
[SPEAKER_00]: There's never been a day in Rintaro, like this is one of the guys who it's nothing.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's Rintaro, it's like respectfully.
[SPEAKER_00]: Respectfully, he was one of these stars of the high school circuit in Japan, but he's he is a first spaceman with limited defense about you, limited-based running value, and
[SPEAKER_00]: The offensive impact is not to be that profile, you need to be like a guy who's a stud hit or a stud power and he's never, he's not shown that.
[SPEAKER_00]: So we don't expect him to be drafted to be honest.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like we didn't rank him on the 500.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, like let's move on to some other questions.
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, thoughts on the twins day one of the drafts.
[SPEAKER_01]: Twins, okay, let's pull up their board.
[SPEAKER_01]: Again, I'm still, I don't know how quickly or how long it takes you guys to like process.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, I have to look at it.
[SPEAKER_01]: So Twins wrapped, third overall, they grab on Lackey, love that, expected just kind of doing it.
[SPEAKER_00]: But I also expected, but at the same time, one word, if they didn't do that, I would probably like it a lot less if they didn't, you know, like you had, if you went in another direction, I don't get cute about it.
[SPEAKER_00]: Fun Lackey.
[SPEAKER_01]: No, I really like it.
[SPEAKER_01]: So thumbs up, yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Doubling down on catchers car centini at four years.
[SPEAKER_00]: That is a little weird though.
[SPEAKER_01]: No, I don't mind at all.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think that's a great value.
[SPEAKER_01]: Brett Renfro with their Complicate 74 Ethan Walksman third round at pic 79 and then Tommy LePore.
[SPEAKER_01]: TCU.
[SPEAKER_01]: I honestly think this is like I really like it played fairly straight up like nothing nothing of this
[SPEAKER_01]: of this board here as we're looking at it on like oh they like really went off the board here like it looks like they just took a lot of players a week think of as good values of this.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I would also add to JJ's point about the potential weirdness of taking two catchers of top.
[SPEAKER_02]: I actually think that there is a decent chance and it's way too early to really know that you need this stuff but that one of those two guys probably doesn't end up a catcher.
[SPEAKER_02]: And that could very well be Iván Lackey, like one of the things that we heard about Iván Lackey throughout the entirety of the cycle was that part of his extreme value was the fact that he would be a good prospect and player if he wasn't a catcher.
[SPEAKER_02]: So in a world where catching doesn't work out and JJ, you can attest to this catching is hard.
[SPEAKER_02]: I think they've on that he is in a really good spot and you bring in somebody like Carson Tinney who if you can figure it out with him behind the plate or not, you do bring in a supercharged bat who brings a lot of power.
[SPEAKER_00]: So if you want to leave, I will just play this video though that, yes, but if one of them is going to end up not a catcher, I think it's Tinney because I think Lackey,
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't, to me, I don't care if a player who can catch can play other positions, if you're a great catcher, that's where I want to play one to see you play, because it's so hard.
[SPEAKER_00]: Now, you're right.
[SPEAKER_00]: If he fails to do it, if our projecting catchers from the amateur, the pro-level's very hard, but he was considered like an elite defender in college.
[SPEAKER_00]: I expect him to be the catcher.
[SPEAKER_00]: But at the same time, the other thing is, you also do need to, like, even if both these guys
[SPEAKER_00]: perform, the Orioles have some, the Orioles having Adley Rushman and Samuel Bessayo at catcher on the same team is not a problem for them.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's say you one of them deaches and one of them catches and you keep both of them relative fresh and people teams don't seem to want their catcher to catch 120 plus games now.
[SPEAKER_00]: So that's kind of an interesting kind of fall on that.
[SPEAKER_00]: We have a lot of other teams that...
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm sure we have a ton of good points.
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, thoughts will go this one next thoughts.
[SPEAKER_00]: We're going to do probably a number of teams, but thoughts on Yankees day one draft.
[SPEAKER_00]: So let's go to the end.
[SPEAKER_01]: Let's pull up the Yankees here.
[SPEAKER_01]: My brains aren't working.
[SPEAKER_01]: Thank you, Jake.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, 100 deeds at a pick 35 with their first shot pick that was lowered.
[SPEAKER_01]: Sean Duncan in the second round of 63, Brendan Brock in the third round at number 99.
[SPEAKER_01]: And then Paul contraris in the fourth round.
[SPEAKER_01]: I really like the Sean Duncan pick here in the second round.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think if he didn't have his late injury in May, they maybe don't get a chance to take him at the 63rd pick here.
[SPEAKER_01]: I am a little more scared of hunter dates, but I acknowledge the power stuff that he has.
[SPEAKER_01]: I like it in 35.
[SPEAKER_01]: And then Brendan Brock is really just this dynamic athlete.
[SPEAKER_01]: This is another one, if he doesn't catch.
[SPEAKER_01]: You could still be sent or feel like it's exactly him.
[SPEAKER_01]: So yeah, what do you think Jacob?
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, I mean, they got a 70 runner rock and I think that the value in the third ground of somebody who's either going to end up catching or being a very productive, very athletic outfielder with range to the alleys is a pretty rare selection for that range.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I actually will say that the Paul contraris pick is a sneaky good one.
[SPEAKER_02]: He was somebody who was kind of a late riser on the west coast kind of a pop-up name at a Cal State Fullerton.
[SPEAKER_02]: There's power.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's good swing decisions.
[SPEAKER_02]: He's got a decent feel to hit.
[SPEAKER_02]: I do think it's a corner bat at the end of the day.
[SPEAKER_02]: in the fourth round to be getting some very solid tools like that, somebody who proved it and sustained production at the division one level for a long time.
[SPEAKER_02]: Like you did, it's a good draft and I agree with you.
[SPEAKER_02]: I think Sean Duncan was one of the sneaky picks of the day.
[SPEAKER_00]: Again, indeed, like at 35, I'm fine with it.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like if you've been 25, I'd have been a little more more to turn.
[SPEAKER_00]: But at 35, you're getting a power arm.
[SPEAKER_00]: And if it ends up like starter great, if it ends up as a reliever, okay, it's pretty, pretty electric too.
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, I think we probably should do this one.
[SPEAKER_00]: Thoughts on white socks draft, not gonna give you a break.
[SPEAKER_00]: We're not gonna give you a break before we even see the whole draft.
[SPEAKER_01]: Even half the draft.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, we haven't seen like the whole picture yet, but we will give you some socks.
[SPEAKER_01]: Pick number one, Rock to Laoski, Choski.
[SPEAKER_00]: Don't do that.
[SPEAKER_01]: Landed Tell May, Comparound 34th.
[SPEAKER_01]: Colp ProSec at 41, Joey Volcco at 77.
[SPEAKER_01]: Eric Sagerah at 105 in the fourth round.
[SPEAKER_01]: I love this draft.
[SPEAKER_01]: The first three players here, I think you can make cases to me that they're all first round talents.
[SPEAKER_01]: And you can do that pretty convincingly and pretty easily.
[SPEAKER_01]: To me, I like not getting creative at number one in a class where I think there's a clear number one overall player in Rock, Chalowski.
[SPEAKER_01]: irrelevant to me if you think like this is maybe not the most ideal profile for you right now if it doesn't fit your timeline like I think rock does I don't I wouldn't be bothered if you didn't I think it's just the best way in the class and they took him first overall.
[SPEAKER_01]: So curious to the white socks for that.
[SPEAKER_01]: I really like the offensive profiles of both land and to my end cool project.
[SPEAKER_01]: Some of the better peer hitters in the high school class, ProSec, the power is really exciting.
[SPEAKER_01]: Lane and Tomay have a chance to stick in the middle of the infield.
[SPEAKER_01]: Is really exciting.
[SPEAKER_01]: I wish Cold ProSec was announced as a catcher.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, because I'm like very intrigued by that possibility.
[SPEAKER_01]: But if they just want to say, hey, we want you to just go hit.
[SPEAKER_01]: I understand that too.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I'll even say Voltsco 77 is like, okay, you're taking a chance on an interesting arm.
[SPEAKER_02]: I actually was going to say, I think their last two picks, the two arms, Joey Voltsco and Eric Segura were in that, like really sneaky great pick category that we had today.
[SPEAKER_02]: Voltsco and we've said this at Baseball America for a long time, but Joey Voltsco is one of those guys where it's like, if it clicks,
[SPEAKER_02]: And the strikes are there, and you refine the fastball a little bit more, which I still think is kind of ahead of him, despite the velocity that it possesses.
[SPEAKER_02]: This is somebody who has, as good an arsenal as anybody in this draft class, the capacity to spin the baseballs out standing when we saw him in the college world series.
[SPEAKER_02]: I feel like that was a really good look at when Joy Vultico could be.
[SPEAKER_02]: There have been flashes of that throughout the season, which was an out-to-case prior, and Eric Sigura, I actually think Eric Sigura could be one of the more overlooked names in this class.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's great angles.
[SPEAKER_02]: There's also spin capacity there.
[SPEAKER_02]: He was successful as a starter at Oregon State.
[SPEAKER_02]: He was also very successful out of the bullpen.
[SPEAKER_02]: I think it's the kind of stuff that would move quickly if it were to be a bullpen profile.
[SPEAKER_02]: So those are two guys.
[SPEAKER_02]: So I think you kind of have a lot of room to sheep and mold but at the same time, they bring proven production at the very high level of college baseball.
[SPEAKER_01]: I always thought Joey Volsko reminded me of Brody Brecht and they get him here at Pick 77 whereas Brecht to the Rockies had to take him at the 38th pick.
[SPEAKER_01]: So just the
[SPEAKER_01]: the risk factors with Voltsco, I'm much more comfortable than in the third half of the grade.
[SPEAKER_00]: OK, so I think we need to talk people off the ledge.
[SPEAKER_00]: You're a little bit, because there's real fans seem to be.
[SPEAKER_00]: Let's think I'm seem to hate their draft in a way that I've got to be honest.
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't understand.
[SPEAKER_00]: OK, so let me to start with some elite tools.
[SPEAKER_00]: So it's just a little brown, Eric Becker, will I, will I leave a Thai or Ethan Norby?
[SPEAKER_00]: What I would say is it seems like that Reds
[SPEAKER_00]: And I don't know why.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'll be honest with you, like that there was going to be money saved from these first picks to spend on other guys, just a little brawn at that pick at 18 is not a money saving pick in any way.
[SPEAKER_00]: You're not like that's full price.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's that that's where we we had him right 19th.
[SPEAKER_00]: This is where we expect him to go Eric back or at 58 also is where we expected him to go where don't tell me that fans are now becoming.
[SPEAKER_01]: in love with money saving this early right playing it straight up but i think the reasons this is straight up draft to me well i think the reds have done this in the past that they've been willing to go straight up they've been willing to pay guys down early they don't jump out to me as a team that's like oh we've got to save early so we can get cute later now this is a a drug like you said it's a straight up draft Ethan Norby at one twenty two is a good picture of you and again let's just circle back to
[SPEAKER_01]: If you are like afraid of Justin LeBron, I understand it, but Justin LeBron at pick 18 is one of the better values you could have had Who this huge draft just in terms of upside potential.
[SPEAKER_01]: If Justin Lebron hits, he is a game-changing franchise type prospect.
[SPEAKER_01]: He is a dynamic elite runner.
[SPEAKER_01]: He has tremendous bat speed.
[SPEAKER_01]: He can rocket the ball out of a park with shocking ease for his size and his frame.
[SPEAKER_01]: If you're worried that his defense this spring, you don't think he's a shortstop.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think that's crazy because he is such a smooth mover defensively and he has been.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like a very good defensive shortstop.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think it's probably just a case where there's some draft I just going on.
[SPEAKER_01]: He was struggling early.
[SPEAKER_01]: Except for baseball or to it takes that to the field.
[SPEAKER_01]: Exceptional based on I think his success rate is he was 66 for 68 on the basis for his career is pretty elite.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I mean, I think this is one of the more.
[SPEAKER_00]: And by the way, every backer of 58, if you take him at 18, I've been like,
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, I was going to say on the LeBron point, if you're concerned about LeBron's defense, fine, because statistically speaking, not the best year, and I can see why somebody who maybe didn't watch every rep of him at short stop would be mildly concerned about the defense, let's give it to you.
[SPEAKER_02]: You can throw that guy in a center field.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, and he's in the go and be successful.
[SPEAKER_02]: Like this is somebody who's going to have exceptional range to the alleys.
[SPEAKER_02]: He has a strong arm.
[SPEAKER_02]: I would argue it's a plus arm right now, even with all of the concerns defensively.
[SPEAKER_02]: I agree with you.
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, like, I think at that range and this draft where there was so much uncertainty, after six to eight, like you really could have done anything that could show up.
[SPEAKER_02]: Give me the best athlete in the class who is going to play a premium position either way, who has a strong arm, who's done it in spurts and flashes throughout his college career.
[SPEAKER_02]: And if it doesn't work out, I mean, I hate to break into you, but like in that range, there's going to be a lot of dudes who don't go perfectly.
[SPEAKER_02]: And so I think that the upside swing there is really justified.
[SPEAKER_02]: I agree.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, so again, when you say not 1-0 high school guys, I will also say just an little bronze at upside play.
[SPEAKER_00]: He's a high school player.
[SPEAKER_01]: I guess like the question would be like, do you want high schoolers just for the sake of drafting from high school or do you want upside, in which case, little bronze covers of that for the entirety of your draft, I would think.
[SPEAKER_01]: So, yeah, hopefully Redskins feel a little bit better about their draft after us chatting with it for a bit.
[SPEAKER_00]: uh... carless are rid of the story is how many of the player picture that you think will get the top next cop on the road yet uh... and pull it up just to refer uh... i guess we're all answer for you ten you know jesus canish canish um...
[SPEAKER_00]: I'll give you also the weirdest version of that is that Eons also here, but we can only fit three people on the couch for Eons across us, but Eons does the race and I'm just like Tom's Martia, that's a great pick for the race and then we're like
[SPEAKER_00]: You realize that he might be 10th on their top 10 because they have like 8 or 9 guys in the top 100 and we don't think Marshall is going to be like general or ballpark generally get 10 to 13 or initial jump on that's the range.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, 10 players, Rochelask, you ready Emerson Vaughn, Lackey, no doubters.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think all those guys are going to rank in the top 30 or close to it if Vaughn is not there.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think Jackson, Flora, Jacob, Blombard, Eric, was junior.
[SPEAKER_01]: They're all going to be somewhere in the middle of the top 100.
[SPEAKER_01]: The other guys, I think should jump in right away.
[SPEAKER_01]: Our rider, Helfer, Drew Burris, Tyler Bell, Derek Curryel.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think all of those have really strong cases currently the next four that I think have cases, but maybe I wouldn't expect them to be on there.
[SPEAKER_01]: Um, or wouldn't guarantee that they would be on there.
[SPEAKER_01]: Our Kusikopian ace race, Sawyer Stroh Snyder and Ajay Krasia.
[SPEAKER_01]: We do fold and draft capital into our discussions on, like, what draft players are going to be added.
[SPEAKER_01]: So maybe that'll add some wrinkles to it as well.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like, maybe if we're already borderline on Stroh Snyder and because of the slide, we'd be less inclined to get them on there.
[SPEAKER_01]: But I think those are kind of where the starting points are going to be for these players.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: What do you think of Carson Bowleman at 29?
[SPEAKER_00]: I love that pick.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, let me pull up who actually drafted him 20 in giant sex giants at 29.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I like that pick too.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think Bowlem and this is after taking Jackson's Laura.
[SPEAKER_01]: So you may be wound up with the best college picture in the draft and if you wanted to make a case for Carson Bowlem and as the best high school.
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, let me ask that question.
[SPEAKER_01]: What would what does Carson Bowlem and have to do to be the best?
[SPEAKER_01]: I think he basically just needed to come out with
[SPEAKER_01]: bigger fast ball velocity than he did this spring.
[SPEAKER_01]: That was the specific question Scouts had for him.
[SPEAKER_01]: It was kind of the reason they were a little bit disappointed because Carson Bulman on our preseason high school all merits in balloting.
[SPEAKER_01]: He was one of only two players who were unanimous first team, which I think says a lot about.
[SPEAKER_01]: where the scouts beat you, entering the ur, the only other player who got that honor was gradie Emerson.
[SPEAKER_01]: And then he just didn't throw quite as hard.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I don't know that it's like a huge question for velocity, but it wasn't enough to kind of get him out of the consensus top high school pitching range, but it's a lead second there is a lead feel for second there is
[SPEAKER_01]: Good frame.
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, tremendous command and track record.
[SPEAKER_01]: They took Kate and Wachter in the second round who has a lot of other, like the starting pitching profiles they have here in their first three picks are really exciting.
[SPEAKER_01]: Even their fifth deck.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, Carlos Martinez, out of Hofstra at 1-18, and then they're getting paid me bonds who is really exciting athlete.
[SPEAKER_00]: We love, we love, we love paid bonds.
[SPEAKER_02]: So now you're on name for the area, to us.
[SPEAKER_02]: All right, let's see what else we got here.
[SPEAKER_00]: Got a lot.
[SPEAKER_00]: We do.
[SPEAKER_01]: Got a lot of people watching, which is really cool.
[SPEAKER_01]: So thank you guys for hanging out and doing that by the side of us and doing that by us.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: Just go on.
[SPEAKER_02]: does the Rockies drafting two catchers mean they could be fine trading hundred good men.
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay and let's also say with this I know we have another question saying thoughts on Rockies draft will roll both of those into this.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: This is kind of giving us we eventually will get through almost all the teams if we get all the question you don't like but uh uh uh uh oh my gosh.
[SPEAKER_00]: Eventually we have to eat too but uh but okay Rockies let's talk about the Rockies draft so obviously they go Tyler Bell, Daniel Jackson, Logan Redmond,
[SPEAKER_00]: Jack, I tell you, congrats.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, my God.
[SPEAKER_00]: Ben Davis, Mississippi State right hander in the fourth round.
[SPEAKER_00]: But, okay, so Carl is, I'll take the easy one.
[SPEAKER_00]: No, this does not, you don't take catchers now and say, oh, you're gonna trade your all-star catcher because you've got two guys who down the road could reach the majors.
[SPEAKER_00]: In the best case scenario, catchers do not move fast through the minors.
[SPEAKER_00]: In the best case scenario,
[SPEAKER_00]: 100 good men will have reached free agency like you'll either be extended or he'll be a free agent before Jackson and Jack Natalie Natilly arrive because catchers have to develop.
[SPEAKER_00]: a lot, like from the standpoint of working with pictures, in addition to all the things that amateur players have for college, non-professional, you know, big affiliate players got a change about wording now.
[SPEAKER_00]: These players are not an amateur, so they're making good money in college, in like cases.
[SPEAKER_00]: But they have to adjust with bats, all those things, but they can catch rest to adjust to workload, to many other things as well.
[SPEAKER_00]: So it's not usually a fast track, and so I would say with that that's not a bit.
[SPEAKER_00]: Let's start with Jacob, give us why you are excited about the second catcher with that.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I mean, I think Jack and Tilly kind of brings everything to the table that you could be looking for in a modern catcher.
[SPEAKER_02]: There's strength in the swing.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's above average exit velocities.
[SPEAKER_02]: He is a game power guy, but he could really hit too, which I think is kind of the big separator here.
[SPEAKER_02]: If you look at a guy with Carson Tinney and this is the knock I have on personally coming into the draft, I think some of the swing decisions in just the overall aggression.
[SPEAKER_02]: gets him at times and comes back to bite him.
[SPEAKER_02]: We didn't see that a whole lot with Jack and Tilly this year, like they were really good swing decisions.
[SPEAKER_02]: The ability to make contact and feel for hitting in the zone is strong.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I do think that the arm gives him kind of a foundational tool as he transitions into professional catching.
[SPEAKER_02]: There's work to do as a receiver and blocker, but I don't think that there's anybody in this class, you know, maybe save for a couple of guys who don't need
[SPEAKER_02]: some real refinement behind the plate and like I said he is a plus thrower.
[SPEAKER_02]: So interesting pick.
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, I think that the value at 76 overall is really high.
[SPEAKER_01]: I agree.
[SPEAKER_01]: And it's like you want to range that I would want that to happen.
[SPEAKER_01]: If you took Jack and Italy at 37, where they took the end of Jack's knocking.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, I was supposed to say, yeah, really it's a like it.
[SPEAKER_02]: No, I think it would be a little high.
[SPEAKER_02]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I think it would be a little bit high.
[SPEAKER_02]: Do I think that 76 is I think 76 is like a steel like you're you're getting it like really good territory But if you took them in the 50s, I think that we very appropriate value.
[SPEAKER_01]: I really like in this draft is Logan Reddiment.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, 38 I if he was healthy if he didn't have any arm fatigue down the stretch
[SPEAKER_01]: and we were talking about him going more Tyler Bellman, 10th overall.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yep, I don't really think that would have been that shocking, but that helped him or not helped him.
[SPEAKER_01]: It caused him to slide down and help the Rockies, maybe, to get him at victory.
[SPEAKER_00]: I want to give, I think it was Jeff Ponce, uh, I'll give him credit for this, making the point.
[SPEAKER_00]: So Tyler Bell, I would say that that's the one that we would say it's a little bit more where he went for the Rockies, is a little bit more scary.
[SPEAKER_00]: Now, he's within the ranking range of where we anticipated where it kind of is overall.
[SPEAKER_00]: But, you know, when we dove into Tyler Bell, the offense of profile has some concerns to especially breaking balls at all.
[SPEAKER_00]: And
[SPEAKER_00]: One thing about the Rockies, if you're in course field, it is hard to throw breaking laws in course field.
[SPEAKER_00]: They're not as good, they're not as effective.
[SPEAKER_00]: So you made that may help him a little bit.
[SPEAKER_01]: I was maybe hoping to see like a get a feel for if the Rockies had like a specific philosophy change here in this trap because of the changes they've had in their organization.
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know that I feel like they're definitely is one here.
[SPEAKER_01]: A lot of these offensive profiles are pretty disparate, they're fairly different to me.
[SPEAKER_01]: So I don't know maybe we'll get a better feel for that tomorrow
[SPEAKER_00]: So yeah, keep going on.
[SPEAKER_00]: So what are the thoughts on the three high school guys, the Braves drafted, and this becomes also or plus talk about the Braves?
[SPEAKER_01]: The Braves draft, I thought was a lot of fun.
[SPEAKER_01]: I know like at the top of Ben Badler was here.
[SPEAKER_01]: He'd be raving about the H.A.
[SPEAKER_01]: grass hit pick, he thought he should go in this range at nine overall.
[SPEAKER_01]: He really likes hit power combo.
[SPEAKER_01]: Carter Beck, interesting pick at 26.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think we were kind of joking earlier this year.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like how high can you really go in the staff drafts?
[SPEAKER_01]: answer very high.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think we had a 93 and like we had bumped him up to 93, but we could have bumped him up.
[SPEAKER_00]: We bunched up to 60.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it's our 60.
[SPEAKER_02]: No, it was definitely like a feel that he could jump up the board.
[SPEAKER_02]: I think if you told me at any point throughout the year that Carter Beck the undersized corner outfielder from any end of state was going to be a, you know, first round top 30 pick.
[SPEAKER_02]: I think I'm going to laugh a little bit, but as far as like
[SPEAKER_02]: off top of your head.
[SPEAKER_02]: How many of your better cadence for our own, maybe?
[SPEAKER_02]: He's one and then after that.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's kind of it on out of it quickly.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, it's like he leaked contact.
[SPEAKER_02]: There's strength.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's a compact, smaller body, compact, smaller swing.
[SPEAKER_02]: But it is like real power, real contact.
[SPEAKER_01]: 92% in zone, which is you'll meet.
[SPEAKER_01]: This feels like just such a brave draft to me because they are a team that will go under slot early and push savings later.
[SPEAKER_01]: They'll take high school profiles.
[SPEAKER_01]: They'll take multi-sport athletes, Carter Bix, multi-sport background is really fun to me.
[SPEAKER_01]: And the Carter Beck, this is why you can't get like two overboard and criticizing picks immediately because you don't know what's coming next.
[SPEAKER_01]: But Carter Beck in this range makes a ton of sense when you look at Kate and McCarthy in the second round.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_01]: Jensen Hirsch corn in the third round.
[SPEAKER_01]: You might be
[SPEAKER_01]: of the entire first day of the draft.
[SPEAKER_01]: And then another shot in a big upside high school right entering cold Dennis in the fourth round at 112.
[SPEAKER_01]: I love the Jensen Hirschkorn pick at 84.
[SPEAKER_00]: So, Druss explained that to someone who's baby not as plugged into what we know, what all this for how this work.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like, this is a key part of this is, don't when you see a first pick.
[SPEAKER_00]: And it's like, we're going to get to the Red Sox draft eventually, I'm sure.
[SPEAKER_00]: And this will take me a stronger version of this.
[SPEAKER_00]: But when you get to the first pick, and you see something that's kind of shocking, sometimes there's like a follow-up to it.
[SPEAKER_00]: In this case with the braids, not the grassy, it was like, oh, we wasn't in first round pick or anything.
[SPEAKER_00]: But these were guys, I would say if grassy and back most likely Carl's isn't it that there will be money savings there that allowed them to pay, that will allow them to pay
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, correct.
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know how much grass he will be.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think he's generally in a range that makes sense for him, but a lot of these for Trump players in general, or under slack guys in some capacity.
[SPEAKER_01]: Carter Beck, I imagine is some savings.
[SPEAKER_01]: If Kate and McCarthy and Jensen Hirsch Corner are not significant over-slot deals or big money picks there, I'd be a little surprised.
[SPEAKER_01]: And then we'll see how they attack around five to ten is it going to be the case where they've already created the savings to sign those players?
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, they need to create some more with some seniors or just more.
[SPEAKER_01]: A sign of both players later on will have to wait and see about that, but I really like this draft class for it.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I think Atlanta has done a really nice job later in the draft than recent years.
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, one of the better players in the minor leagues right now is a great example of that.
[SPEAKER_01]: So I guess we'll see what they do this year and around 20 circle back after.
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, it's gonna get out of the roll like it.
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, so did Mason Edwards fall or was this always his range?
[SPEAKER_02]: Good question.
[SPEAKER_02]: I was suspicion that this was always his range.
[SPEAKER_02]: I know that there was word late from a number of different teams that he was somebody who maybe would be flying up the board.
[SPEAKER_02]: But at the end of the day, excuse me, I think some of the things that you and I actually talked about on the college podcast way earlier in the season about Mason Edwards, some of the concerns that you and I had.
[SPEAKER_02]: ended up being kind of what pushed him down the board is a very light fastball for all the things that are very good about him and on top of that I think that the control is poor.
[SPEAKER_02]: So there's there's major reliever risk here and I think that that's something that teams of long recognized but it's reliever risk with somebody who does have a lighter fastball is very breaking ball reliant and that's kind of a scary demographic even there's a left hander that had a lot of success in college.
[SPEAKER_02]: So
[SPEAKER_02]: I would imagine that that's what pushed him down the board.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I don't think that it's that crazy of a fall relative to where we had a rain to maybe some of the buzz that was going into the draft.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, that's what I was going to say is, yeah, this one is surprising to me because I, we wrote about it.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'd heard Buzz Higgie go in a pretty good spot.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think we had a mocked in the late teens.
[SPEAKER_01]: They even thought like, you could go even earlier than that.
[SPEAKER_01]: But like all those questions that Jacob laid out, I think are real questions for the profile.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I don't know.
[SPEAKER_01]: You said, I feel like he has a decent chance to start.
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know if the control I would say is for with him, but definitely is not like it is worse than you would expect for a player who dominated like he did this spring.
[SPEAKER_01]: even his secondary shapes that were very effective in college, you don't see a lot of those in Pro Ball having some success, so maybe some of that underlying analytical pitch data was also maybe pushing against him, but I think in 47, even if Mason Edwards is not like my ideal flavor of a college pitching profile for what he did this year, the value is quick.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think it's really good.
[SPEAKER_01]: Drew Burris at seven for the A's, I don't know if you mentioned it, Mason Edwards went 87 or went
[SPEAKER_01]: with the 47th overall pick.
[SPEAKER_01]: Sorry, putting the other words at the stage for me is difficult.
[SPEAKER_01]: And then they rounded out with Gabe Gackle, who I really like Jacob Dude and Jacob really likes and Roman Martin who I also.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm going to put me on the凍 group too.
[SPEAKER_00]: If he had not been hurt as a sure I think.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think you don't get him being hurt.
[SPEAKER_01]: You don't get him in the third round.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think if he's not hurt.
[SPEAKER_00]: So yeah, this is a good one.
[SPEAKER_01]: A very college heavy draft for the A's.
[SPEAKER_00]: Can you read that?
[SPEAKER_02]: Did Daniel Kubez injury keep him from being drafted on the first day or do you think he might just go back to Miami?
[SPEAKER_02]: Both.
[SPEAKER_00]: Right, I always say, but injury, but also there's always been defensive questions, have they not?
[SPEAKER_02]: Yes, I think it's a right right for space, but at the end of the day, he has a big arm.
[SPEAKER_02]: The footwork is well below average at this point.
[SPEAKER_02]: He's not a very good mover.
[SPEAKER_02]: Obviously, when you are not a good mover in the first place and then you hurt your back, those things tend to not
[SPEAKER_02]: lead to improvement.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I also just think that back to the theme that we discussed at the top of the show, it was kind of hit tool day.
[SPEAKER_02]: Like the question today was, can you hit reliably?
[SPEAKER_02]: And I don't know that Daniel Kubez and the reliable hit tool category.
[SPEAKER_02]: Awesome power, major major power, maybe some of the best raw in this entire class.
[SPEAKER_02]: But I think the hit tool questions and the injury where things are limiting.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I agree.
[SPEAKER_01]: If you look at our best available board, there are a couple of college players.
[SPEAKER_01]: We have at the top.
[SPEAKER_01]: We've got guys like we'll guess for you know, Garrett right Ryan Morone in the day.
[SPEAKER_01]: No, QVA.
[SPEAKER_01]: So I do think he's one of the better available college players.
[SPEAKER_01]: It is interesting that we can even have the conversation about like colleges being competitive enough to start getting their players back because they have the financial muscle to throw it out.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, so it around.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I'd just wrote a story about some of the challenges that are being presented to the pro teams when it comes to signability and how much you do have to kind of cough up and to the point that we were talking about with Carter Beck.
[SPEAKER_02]: There is kind of a new flavor to the overslot underslot game that teams are playing, because I think that the level of financial offer that's required is a little bit different than it used to be.
[SPEAKER_00]: We'll couple more questions and wrap it because we do need to get some food, but we had multiple people asking about the cardinal stress.
[SPEAKER_00]: So I just want to tee that up first.
[SPEAKER_01]: Cardinal's draft, Trevor Condon, going first overall.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think there's a huge fan of that.
[SPEAKER_01]: Pick, let me pull up their whole draft board here.
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, got it.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, the car was had so many picks this year that an extra pick after the first where they took T-Concunes to follow up that, which was like a great spot for T-Concunes.
[SPEAKER_01]: That agreed.
[SPEAKER_01]: Rockham and Escalco in the second, one of the marks saying athletes in the class, then Andrew Williamson, Dawson on Tessa, Caden Ferraro, and D-Cennedy to round it out.
[SPEAKER_00]: Again, I can't wait for our D-Cennedy, like,
[SPEAKER_00]: You have the analytics darling, and then you have the like, traditional stats performer, darling, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: This does feel like a fairly straight up draft to me, so far.
[SPEAKER_01]: I like cater for all in the third round more than I would have liked it if you went higher than that.
[SPEAKER_01]: I was born and he was going to go higher than that.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, because I think the bad of all that and the offense of profile Jacob has been all over this one for a long time as a guy who could go in this range.
[SPEAKER_01]: So could I stay in for nailing that?
[SPEAKER_01]: I do wonder where he's going to play defensively, nowhere.
[SPEAKER_01]: Maybe invert that entire question for Rocco Maniscalco.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think he is a dynamic person.
[SPEAKER_00]: I know where he's going to play.
[SPEAKER_01]: In a lead defender, we're now always going to play sure about the one.
[SPEAKER_01]: We didn't get to talk about this in the broadcast, but the one that's interesting to me.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I'm not sure if you guys view it differently.
[SPEAKER_01]: But I think he's actually a really good catcher, which you don't see a sure stuff like that.
[SPEAKER_01]: They go, let's think about moving him to catcher.
[SPEAKER_01]: But I'm fascinated by all the catcher conversions this year.
[SPEAKER_01]: Condon, I think fits on talent.
[SPEAKER_01]: I really love Cumes at 32.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, if someone took Cumes 15 to 20, I would have liked the pick.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think there's a lot more that could be gotten out of team Cumes at the next level.
[SPEAKER_01]: I really love that delivery in the pitch makes he has, I don't know, any other players you guys like in this range or thoughts.
[SPEAKER_00]: Again, Cumes, I've thought where you got where they got him.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think that there's...
[SPEAKER_00]: a real potential there.
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't feel like that we've even seen like I think there's more to come with teacons as far as, yeah, the ways use pitch election.
[SPEAKER_02]: I actually think that he might be the best example in this class of now stuff mixed with projectability.
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know that anybody has that combo quite like teacons has, it was a really big strike thrower and the stuff is super advanced plus he is, yeah, very thin.
[SPEAKER_01]: You have like
[SPEAKER_01]: Very obvious questions about almost every pitcher in the college ranks.
[SPEAKER_01]: I guess I'll set a Jackson floor.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it was a clear top guy.
[SPEAKER_01]: It seemed good.
[SPEAKER_01]: He's very well around it.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: I just think that that's like a really good fit for that work, too.
[SPEAKER_02]: The other one that I would chat out is Andrew Williams.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I think that's a really good pick.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's an outfielder who is going to be probably a corner, which is fine.
[SPEAKER_02]: Like I don't necessarily think that everybody has to be a centerfielder extract value, but he can hit fastballs as well as anybody in this class.
[SPEAKER_02]: And obviously that's becoming increasingly important.
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, like I said, apologies to everyone, but we do have to get some food at some point.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's been a very long time.
[SPEAKER_00]: And sleep.
[SPEAKER_00]: But okay, I'll start and kind of just to give you all, I've been to think, but it doesn't have to be best draft.
[SPEAKER_00]: Again, the draft's not over yet, but what's a draft you like so far?
[SPEAKER_00]: I'll start and say,
[SPEAKER_00]: because we haven't, I'm also going to use this, because I'm really talking about it, yet the raised draft, they're picking to, again, much as we said at three, they didn't get cute.
[SPEAKER_00]: Rocholowski was off the board, they went ready Emerson, that's our number two guy and our board, that's the guy who, you're, again, the Dao Shokhal's for the raised, the raised love to draft first draft, high school short stops.
[SPEAKER_00]: They've done it.
[SPEAKER_00]: a lot, you know, if you look at the list of top 50-pick short-stop technical short-stop, they take in, there are a number of them, but beyond that, and this is, I feel like it's kind of like the Jacob Rudderdraft.
[SPEAKER_01]: So Taj Mahrsheng goes 33, which by the way, I'm very happy that when I have it, because I feel like we've been banking the drum on Taj Mahrsheng, going 33 for a while, so it was nice to see that come from.
[SPEAKER_00]: Then Ben Blair at 49.
[SPEAKER_02]: Actually, I mean, it ought to be noise when they select
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, and then Gavin Geese at 85, who was a guy who we had, you know, some heat, we'd heard that there was helium on, and then Colin Bland at 113, the, uh, again, to the went very high school heavy, four high schoolers out of five picks.
[SPEAKER_00]: I would say Bland was probably the one who I would say the most surprising to me, but this is the team I'd say that, you know,
[SPEAKER_00]: They don't mind being surprising.
[SPEAKER_00]: If they see something they like, they're going to take, you know, like, I would say the Xavier Isaac pick a few years ago, as an example of a guy who, I would say they're a lotting time to lower on their board because of profile and also because he'd been hurt, but they absolutely didn't, you know, didn't have a problem taking him.
[SPEAKER_00]: They have, I call him, but I was, I know, a calm mind guy who really kind of stood out.
[SPEAKER_00]: But I do want to kind of go back to like,
[SPEAKER_00]: You got greedy hammers and like that's, I mean, that's a good place to start.
[SPEAKER_00]: You got to do to could absolutely be a stud hitter and that's never a bad place to start.
[SPEAKER_00]: And the rays were already one of our best pharmacists as a baseball thing got a lot better than that.
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, take a quick
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I actually think, is it like my favorite class?
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm not 100% sure yet.
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't know that I've decided officially what my favorite class is from tonight so far.
[SPEAKER_02]: But I do think that the Angel strategy changes and what they did tonight was really productive.
[SPEAKER_02]: Like, I think that Grinlinger fits what they're trying to do.
[SPEAKER_02]: I think that it might usher in a little bit of a different era depending on, we don't know yet who's gonna be the new General Manager of the Angels.
[SPEAKER_02]: But I do think that this is a good,
[SPEAKER_02]: tone center for what could come next.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I think that they prioritize guys in the right order.
[SPEAKER_02]: Like grilling or where he went, I thought it was really good for them.
[SPEAKER_02]: I think in vincula at 45 overall was great.
[SPEAKER_02]: Really great value.
[SPEAKER_02]: I think that Rohovic, like JJ said earlier, was somebody that at the beginning of the year, you said he was going to go on the first round.
[SPEAKER_02]: I would have totally bought that.
[SPEAKER_02]: And then Lujo, I've kind of been being Lujo drum for a while, as somebody who could be underrated, I think he has a chance to sick in center field.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I really do like the contacts,
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I was torn here.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm most interested in like Pittsburgh.
[SPEAKER_01]: I feel like with the curial pick at the top would be hard for me to pick against, but we've talked about curial a lot here.
[SPEAKER_01]: Surprise, you're not the one that's more interesting to me.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think is the guardians, because I really like the fit of the first two pictures they took here.
[SPEAKER_01]: They drafted Liam Peterson with their first from pick at 19.
[SPEAKER_01]: And then in the second round, they got Logan Schmidt at pick 59.
[SPEAKER_01]: We kind of came into this thinking that Logan Schmidt's range would be a little bit more volatile than maybe the talent warranted.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think the Guardians are the beneficiaries of that because if you told me that Logan Schmidt was an equivalent talent straight up to Liam Peterson, that makes a lot of sense to me.
[SPEAKER_01]: I also think Liam Peterson maybe has
[SPEAKER_01]: Some of the best pure stuff in the class, maybe the best slider, one of the better changeups in the Guardians or a team that does a great job with pitching development.
[SPEAKER_01]: So I think this is just going to be a great environment for him on and off the field.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think the Guardians are a really good job with
[SPEAKER_01]: They're like specific player development paths.
[SPEAKER_01]: And then trade Bruce art in the third.
[SPEAKER_01]: I like that pick.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think that's a fair range for him.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think the same for Kate Lewis really for me, the first two pictures here are carrying a lot of the weight in the intrigue.
[SPEAKER_01]: Sing what Liam Peterson looks like two years after being with the Guardians.
[SPEAKER_02]: I actually will stick my neck out a little bit on that pick and say that I thought that was the pick of the day.
[SPEAKER_02]: The fact that they got Liam Peterson down at 19, just with the capacity, that's there.
[SPEAKER_02]: Just the stuff is,
[SPEAKER_02]: really, really good.
[SPEAKER_02]: Like you just said, I think that you could make an argument that he is second to none in the stuff category.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I think developmentally, it's just been kind of a weird go for him in college.
[SPEAKER_02]: Like this could be somebody who in this draft could benefit as much as anybody from pro instruction and what that process in tips in terms of refining the stuff in terms of refining the arsenal in terms of just kind of developing like the player and the competitor.
[SPEAKER_02]: I think that he somebody who takes off in a big way and pro balling.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Um, also good that we don't have to go into the night.
[SPEAKER_00]: We'll have been right up till there's already all there.
[SPEAKER_00]: Um, but uh, and then obviously, I would say the most important thing though is is tomorrow's day two of the draft.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It is by dream one day.
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[SPEAKER_00]: we do that every year.
[SPEAKER_00]: And then we'll have reports for many of the players and after the 10th round, 11th round and on as well.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You want to know what those players are for your team.
[SPEAKER_00]: We're going to tell you, but also there's so much more about it over at baseball america.com.
[SPEAKER_00]: Jacob, like I said, Jacob wrote about the side of the ability.
[SPEAKER_00]: If you're wondering why there's so many players who have drew from the drafts this year, we have a piece explaining that.
[SPEAKER_00]: If you thought that the draft today kind of to be honest, like had some issues like the hammering that was going on during frown two, three, and four, I wrote a column about that.
[SPEAKER_00]: How?
[SPEAKER_00]: As much as we love the draft, there were some issues today and, you know, the, you know, rock Jaluski and things like that that you just don't want to see happen.
[SPEAKER_00]: Um, so there's all that we will
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's coming off now, but like this is this is one of the biggest days of the year for us, maybe the biggest day of the year for us.
[SPEAKER_01]: Jacob puts in so much work on all the college, the college seniors, the college reports, like I'm super excited for the product that we had this year in terms of our coverage.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's 11 o'clock at night or so.
[SPEAKER_00]: And Jacob is serving up senior signs, not telling us about it and saying, where do you think this guy should rank on the top 100?
[SPEAKER_00]: And we got, I don't say, to the...
[SPEAKER_00]: It's out there.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'll say, Ian and I, Ian and I were getting them right too, we're like, oh, about 65, 61, 65.
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