[SPEAKER_02]: Hello everyone, welcome to the Delta Flyers journey through the wormhole with Quirk, Dex, and their good friends, Tom and Harry.
[SPEAKER_02]: Join us as we make our way through episodes of Star Trek Deep Spurs Nine.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yo, host for today, are my fellow trick actors, Armin Schimmerman, Robert Duncan McNeill, and myself, Gerrit Wong, who's just copying you, but you're a little patient in this space.
[SPEAKER_01]: And we are at a space here on that one.
[SPEAKER_01]: See, we're on this thing, Armin.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yesterday, we were recording with Terry, and because she was ill, we decided to just it up and sort of entertain her and be funnier to sort of take, you know, and it's continued to today.
[SPEAKER_00]: And as long as you don't make me, you know, yeah, you might feel- Here's the fundamental thing.
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't know what your opinion on this.
[SPEAKER_02]: So...
[SPEAKER_02]: As actors as people in show business, part of our job is to tell authentic stories and be real and be honest and speak from the hearts and all those things, but part of our job is to entertain.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I often struggle with this as a director sometimes because I see actors doing a scene and they're so self-focused.
[SPEAKER_02]: that they're not entertaining.
[SPEAKER_02]: They're not actually making the scene interesting to watch.
[SPEAKER_02]: Or you'll see the opposite.
[SPEAKER_02]: You'll see someone who's trying really hard to entertain.
[SPEAKER_02]: You're like, yeah, but you're missing the heart of the scene.
[SPEAKER_02]: What are your thoughts on that?
[SPEAKER_00]: I very much agree that an actor must be both an educator and an entertainer at the same time.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: I've often said to my students in class, you may be feeling it, but I'm not.
[SPEAKER_00]: If I'm not feeling it, the audience isn't feeling it, and therefore you're not accomplishing, you may be up there on stage having a wonderful time.
[SPEAKER_00]: That is not doing anything for me, and I paid for the ticket.
[SPEAKER_00]: Exactly.
[SPEAKER_00]: So it's up to the director.
[SPEAKER_00]: Sometimes the actor can't tell.
[SPEAKER_00]: And that's why we have directors.
[SPEAKER_00]: The director needs to say to the actor too much of that or a little more of that and find the right narrow path for the actor's performance.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's a collaborative process.
[SPEAKER_00]: And you need both the actor and the director.
[SPEAKER_00]: The actor has to provide it and the director has to sculpt it.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, it makes me think of like musicians, you know, like jazz musicians or something, you know, there is some value in the artist sort of getting lost.
[SPEAKER_02]: Miles Davis getting lost and our trumpet's so low.
[SPEAKER_00]: Just, that's a different medium.
[SPEAKER_00]: You can't, you, this is not speaking from the higher.
[SPEAKER_00]: Interesting.
[SPEAKER_00]: At least for a stage actor who has to reproduce that performance somewhat a times a week.
[SPEAKER_00]: You can't get lost.
[SPEAKER_00]: You can get lost where you don't know what's happening.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think I've talked about that in other podcasts, but that can happen.
[SPEAKER_00]: But for the most part, you must stay in control of your performance.
[SPEAKER_00]: Otherwise, it's not fair to the production one, it's not fair to the other actors.
[SPEAKER_00]: One of the most experimental and moment of the moment actors I ever saw before was Max Wright.
[SPEAKER_00]: Max Wright, for those of you who don't know who he is, wonderful stage actor, also don't know how to film, but primarily a stage actor.
[SPEAKER_00]: and Max Wright would just go off on tangents on stage and they were lovely to watch.
[SPEAKER_00]: They were incredible to watch, but I had a friend doing a play with him and he said, I had the next line after Max's line and I didn't know where he would be on stage and it was a three-tier stage.
[SPEAKER_00]: There was the stage level, there was a level above the stage and there was a level above that.
[SPEAKER_00]: And he and Max could be in any one of those three levels.
[SPEAKER_00]: And he gave him time and Billy would say, I don't know where he's going to be.
[SPEAKER_02]: Wow.
[SPEAKER_00]: So it has to be some sort of control.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, it's interesting.
[SPEAKER_02]: Like I know that and jazz music is a very different medium to play devil's advocate a little bit.
[SPEAKER_02]: If Miles Davis goes off on a solo and gets lost in it, part of the responsibility of the rest of the musicians is to stay with him, stay in that zone with wherever he's going.
[SPEAKER_02]: Right, that's all you know.
[SPEAKER_00]: If it's a solo, yeah, I suppose you can do that.
[SPEAKER_00]: But yes, you have a responsibility to the other people on stage.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, it's an interesting, I mean, even with this podcast to bring it back to like our being silly at the top of this.
[SPEAKER_02]: Like I think of that sometimes because we talk about, you know, we talk about our memories or our opinions or our thoughts, are we getting lost too much sometimes in our own like, you know, nasal, get nasal, navel gazing.
[SPEAKER_00]: It depends on the audience member whether that's something they are entertained by or not.
[SPEAKER_00]: If you were talking to a non-right now, she would advocate getting lost in the performance.
[SPEAKER_00]: I couldn't say this several times.
[SPEAKER_00]: She wants to get lost and it helps her a great deal, and God knows she gives great performances.
[SPEAKER_00]: So I'm not saying it's wrong.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm just saying in a different medium, in the theater which I'm more familiar with, you can't really do that as often.
[SPEAKER_00]: Thank you.
[SPEAKER_00]: And because on camera, if you get lost and it doesn't work, the director says that take to.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's true.
[SPEAKER_02]: We've always got another take.
[SPEAKER_02]: All right.
[SPEAKER_01]: Interesting.
[SPEAKER_01]: Thank you for sharing the thoughts.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: I love that.
[SPEAKER_01]: All right.
[SPEAKER_01]: We have some birthdays.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_01]: We got to talk about.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: Nicholas Albano.
[SPEAKER_02]: What?
[SPEAKER_02]: Nick.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's your birthday on July 14th.
[SPEAKER_02]: Happy birthday.
[SPEAKER_02]: Nick.
[SPEAKER_00]: Happy birthday.
[SPEAKER_01]: Is that best still day the 14 best day before oh my goodness well happy happy happy happy Best deal and happy birthday day to you happy birthday day.
[SPEAKER_01]: I just said a new thing.
[SPEAKER_01]: Also, we have WD Debby D on July 19th.
[SPEAKER_01]: What a wonderful day.
[SPEAKER_01]: WD was born happy birthday WD happy birthday.
[SPEAKER_00]: Happy birthday.
[SPEAKER_00]: Happy happy happy happy happy birthday.
[SPEAKER_02]: What he said happy birthday
[SPEAKER_01]: What did he say?
[SPEAKER_01]: Deputy.
[SPEAKER_01]: What did he say?
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Little Debbie.
[SPEAKER_01]: Snackcakes.
[SPEAKER_01]: When we were young.
[SPEAKER_02]: I love little Debbie.
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh.
[SPEAKER_01]: The cream inside.
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh.
[SPEAKER_02]: Individually.
[SPEAKER_02]: Individually wraps.
[SPEAKER_01]: You knew they were fresh.
[SPEAKER_01]: Fresh.
[SPEAKER_01]: They were fresh.
[SPEAKER_01]: No one had tampered with them.
[SPEAKER_01]: It was wonderful.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_02]: Little Debbie's were big when I was growing up in the south.
[SPEAKER_02]: And yes.
[SPEAKER_02]: That was a popular one.
[SPEAKER_02]: And then when I moved to New York,
[SPEAKER_02]: I discovered intemans.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, oh.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's hard to pass the intemans.
[SPEAKER_01]: So intemans got so big.
[SPEAKER_01]: They started shipping to California everywhere.
[SPEAKER_00]: So intemans were massive.
[SPEAKER_02]: poetry time.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yes, it is.
[SPEAKER_02]: Let's get some poetry, a little sophistication, a high class for this high class.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yes, exactly.
[SPEAKER_01]: High brow poetry.
[SPEAKER_01]: Let's go.
[SPEAKER_01]: Hi, bro.
[SPEAKER_02]: Here we go for my home for behind the lines.
[SPEAKER_02]: When Odo links up in the goo with the founder, he had quite a breakthrough.
[SPEAKER_02]: He came back all Zen said, solids are just my friends, then spaced out for an
[SPEAKER_01]: You've made up for yesterday's.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, this is so much.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, on point.
[SPEAKER_01]: I love it.
[SPEAKER_02]: Thank you.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, you said, you know, because you had comedy.
[SPEAKER_01]: Remember that?
[SPEAKER_01]: You didn't, you had, you sort of, you you rind warfin' course.
[SPEAKER_01]: You were like, okay.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, I'm going to be kind of in the neighborhood.
[SPEAKER_01]: This one up friends and then, which is so perfect.
[SPEAKER_01]: So thank you.
[SPEAKER_01]: Thanks a lot.
[SPEAKER_01]: Excellent.
[SPEAKER_02]: Thank you to the rhyming dictionary online.
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh my gosh.
[SPEAKER_02]: All right?
[SPEAKER_02]: It's called Rockstone.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm sorry.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm sorry, everybody.
[SPEAKER_02]: I go to rhyme, go on.
[SPEAKER_02]: I find the matches.
[SPEAKER_02]: Mine's on this great.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's gold.
[SPEAKER_00]: What flowers are made of?
[SPEAKER_00]: Rime's on.
[SPEAKER_00]: Something like that.
[SPEAKER_00]: Rime's on.
[SPEAKER_00]: Cowboys.
[SPEAKER_01]: That should be your gamer tag, your name.
[SPEAKER_01]: Rhymesone Cowboy is should be Robby's gaming and moniker.
[SPEAKER_01]: All right, my high coup for behind the lines, here we go.
[SPEAKER_01]: Cisco promoted resistance plots for Mayhem.
[SPEAKER_01]: Odo links.
[SPEAKER_01]: Ramcott.
[SPEAKER_01]: Very nice.
[SPEAKER_01]: Thank you so much.
[SPEAKER_01]: Very high brow.
[SPEAKER_01]: It may have felt good when I said that.
[SPEAKER_01]: It just it just it was succinct and it was done.
[SPEAKER_02]: Is there a clean one?
[SPEAKER_02]: He's a clean one.
[SPEAKER_02]: This high brow is etymology is going to do it.
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, before we get into it a mileage, let me just ask a military question.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, would
[SPEAKER_00]: Cisco being made an adjunct be a promotion or would it be just a moving from one side to another side not going up and not going down.
[SPEAKER_02]: A lateral moves when I think it's like getting vice president job that's kind of like you're sort of a pretty big deal there.
[SPEAKER_01]: And it's Adjutant instead of Adjunct.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think you were looking for Adjutant.
[SPEAKER_01]: Adjutant.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's like Adjutant.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's what I said.
[SPEAKER_01]: Makes with agitated.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's what he said.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Agitated.
[SPEAKER_00]: Agitated.
[SPEAKER_00]: Excuse me.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, bless you.
[SPEAKER_00]: You see, it may not be a promotion.
[SPEAKER_00]: It may be just no.
[SPEAKER_01]: It is a promotion.
[SPEAKER_01]: Guys, he's the right hand man to the commanding officer of the whole bank.
[SPEAKER_02]: Alexander Hamilton.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: The right hand man.
[SPEAKER_01]: Mm-hmm.
[SPEAKER_01]: So, I would say, yeah, you think it's a lateral move?
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know, I don't know, that was my question.
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, I didn't know whether it was a lateral move or not.
[SPEAKER_00]: No, I think he may.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_02]: I think it's a move up, I think.
[SPEAKER_02]: And it seemed like he didn't have a choice.
[SPEAKER_02]: Like when he didn't have a choice, your order, this is your orders.
[SPEAKER_00]: You're going to be this now.
[SPEAKER_00]: You're going to do this.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's you follow orders.
[SPEAKER_00]: And of course, in the script, it's subtly hinted that he didn't like the choice.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, he didn't like the promotion.
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_01]: Now, now I should do that.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's not going to talk about the individual words, but talk about the phrase with the title itself.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: So I looked up behind the lines.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's an area which is militarily occupied but where no fight takes place, where the army provides support services to combat forces as well as military management of occupying forces.
[SPEAKER_00]: So in the case of this episode, behind the lines would be the station deep space night.
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, again, where the Army provides support services to combat forces, as well as military management of occupying forces.
[SPEAKER_00]: So, I would say that would be the station.
[SPEAKER_00]: Now, going to the individual words behind, it's from the old English, the Hinden, or an old high German, Hintana.
[SPEAKER_00]: But these are the root words for the present word behind.
[SPEAKER_00]: As an adverb, it means in relation to an object in motion.
[SPEAKER_00]: In a place, when those to whom the references made have departed, remaining after the others have gone.
[SPEAKER_00]: And it was first used in 900 AD.
[SPEAKER_00]: So, thank you.
[SPEAKER_00]: years in the Middle Ages.
[SPEAKER_00]: At the second definition, in the position, condition or state in which a person or thing has left.
[SPEAKER_00]: I.e.
[SPEAKER_00]: the riches he left all behind, that's an example from the dictionary.
[SPEAKER_00]: Third definition, in reserve, kept back, not yet brought forward or mentioned, I.e.
[SPEAKER_00]: still to come.
[SPEAKER_00]: Measure from measure has a quote which says,
[SPEAKER_00]: will show what's yet behind that's the example for that definition of fourth definition.
[SPEAKER_00]: This has as a preposition before I was talking about Nadver now I'm talking as behind as a preposition in a place left by one who has gone on ii she has resolved to stay behind me for a few days so that's it as a preposition.
[SPEAKER_00]: So it's both of
[SPEAKER_00]: Lynn first used in in 1975 the word means the fight this is a strange definition the word means the fiber of flaps in middle English in old English it's more like Lynn or LIG and E I can't pronounce it
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, L.I.G.A.
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: Maybe.
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_00]: Accord or string first used in 1,000 AD or an appointed lot in life or a thread-like mark line if you underline something.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's a lot of history of that phrase, those words.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, that's also behind being a preposition, being an adjective.
[SPEAKER_01]: Just for you know, all over the place, right?
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I mean, I can't off the top of my head, give you a word that's both an adverb and a preposition.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm sure there are ones, but I don't know what they are.
[SPEAKER_00]: So this is sort of unique in that way.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: So a true study in etymology.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, definitely.
[SPEAKER_00]: Thank you, Norman.
[SPEAKER_01]: Thank you.
[SPEAKER_01]: All right, yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Next up, we have a Patreon submitted poetry winner.
[SPEAKER_01]: This is a Limerick.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, I love this.
[SPEAKER_01]: So I get to say the Limerick.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, that's an amazing idea.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yeah, nice.
[SPEAKER_01]: All right, Limerick, you read.
[SPEAKER_01]: Limerick by A-Me-T.
[SPEAKER_01]: Here we go.
[SPEAKER_01]: Secrets slip from a drunken demar.
[SPEAKER_01]: Thanks to Quark and a bottle of canar.
[SPEAKER_01]: Auto is enticed, and ROM is a sacrifice.
[SPEAKER_01]: So much for getting rid of the Gem Hadar.
[SPEAKER_01]: Good job, Amy.
[SPEAKER_01]: I love it.
[SPEAKER_01]: Nice, Amy.
[SPEAKER_02]: Very nice.
[SPEAKER_02]: Very impressive.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yes, taking on a limb wreck is can be challenging.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, it is.
[SPEAKER_01]: No small feet.
[SPEAKER_02]: All right, here's our high coup from our patrons of minute poetry.
[SPEAKER_02]: This is honorable mention.
[SPEAKER_02]: High coup by Charlie Faulkner goes like this.
[SPEAKER_02]: Odo drifts away.
[SPEAKER_02]: Linking clouds, his sense of self.
[SPEAKER_02]: Kira stands alone.
[SPEAKER_01]: Nice.
[SPEAKER_01]: He focused right on to the Kira Odo relationship here.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and that in Tico.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, that's nice.
[SPEAKER_01]: The job.
[SPEAKER_02]: Odo does drift away.
[SPEAKER_02]: He gets very spacey there.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, my gosh, does he ever.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, my goodness.
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, so much to talk about in this episode.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, let's just go with the, but the basics here with written by Renee Eshavaria.
[SPEAKER_01]: Lavar Burton is directing this episode.
[SPEAKER_01]: guest stars Jeffrey Combs as way you.
[SPEAKER_01]: Mark Alaymo is going to caught Max Groudenshek as Ram, Aaron Eisenberg as Nog, Casey Biggs is tomorrow, Barry Jenner as William Ross, Selamijens as the female changeling.
[SPEAKER_01]: The original title for this episode was life during wartime.
[SPEAKER_01]: You like, do you like that title?
[SPEAKER_01]: It's kind of lame.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's beyond this life during wartime.
[SPEAKER_02]: Play on Broadway.
[SPEAKER_02]: Who was the playwright?
[SPEAKER_02]: Do you remember, or are you, no, that's his first time hearing him.
[SPEAKER_02]: This is hearing this, did play in the 80s.
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh my goodness.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I remember there was a role for a young man.
[SPEAKER_02]: It was if he had a be a nom returning vet story line and so he was mission for it.
[SPEAKER_01]: Then, that's what you're saying.
[SPEAKER_02]: I wanted this play so bad.
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh my god.
[SPEAKER_02]: I came down to like the last couple people.
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh.
[SPEAKER_01]: So, you know, everyone knows this is basically a six-episode arc, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: But this whole arc here, this episode was considered the most difficult of the six to put together as Ronald D. Moore explains, quote, by the time they got around to shooting rocks and shoals, Renee Ishavaria was working on the next episode behind the lines, and that's where we all got really confused and, quote, similarly, Iris, even Bear points out, quote,
[SPEAKER_01]: He was really behind the ball on that one going around to each of us asking, what are you doing?
[SPEAKER_01]: What are you doing?
[SPEAKER_01]: He was suffering and it was a very painful experience, but ultimately the show worked.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's amazing that it turned out as good as it did because usually when shows have that painful of a birth, they usually show it on screen and quote.
[SPEAKER_01]: So there is a lot of turmoil in the beginning parts of doing this episode.
[SPEAKER_01]: Originally the B-story of this episode was based on the 1930 Howard Hawks' film, The Dawn Patrol, a major theme of the movie is that of a reluctant commander being forced to send untrained troops into the field and the moral turmoil it causes him.
[SPEAKER_01]: However, when Ira read Eschevariah script, he felt that it didn't work because
[SPEAKER_01]: The B-story had become too important and felt like it should be the A-story, as such Eshavaria dropped the story entirely, and replaced it with the B-story involving Dax.
[SPEAKER_01]: She is given command of the U.S. as to find, and discovers that she loves combat, according to Eshavaria, quote, she gets into it too far and becomes patent, general patent, and quote, neither bear nor Eshavaria himself was happy with this story, however.
[SPEAKER_01]: Ultimately, quote, we reinvented it yet again, making it a much smaller quieter, little story, where you're just asked to put yourself into Cisco shoes and see how hard it must be for him to have to sit back and send his friends to war.
[SPEAKER_01]: And quote, so a lot of shifting and moving around before this episode finally, you know.
[SPEAKER_01]: started filming.
[SPEAKER_01]: Odo's original role in this episode was also quite different from how it ultimately turned out.
[SPEAKER_01]: In the Eshavaria's first draft, Odo becomes so involved with the female changeling that he allows his need for order to consume and blind him and he actively tries to end the resistance movement.
[SPEAKER_01]: Indeed, I know.
[SPEAKER_01]: In that crazy, like he stops it.
[SPEAKER_01]: Indeed, he is the one who
[SPEAKER_01]: in that crazy so he's the one that grabs him out of there as he's trying to it's okay all right continuing neither Eshavaria nor bear was happy with this turn in Otos character however and ultimately Eshavaria decided to alter the script so that Otos commits quote a sin of omission not a sin of commission the old Catholic maxim a sin of omission
[SPEAKER_01]: out of Odo's carelessness and his obsession with the female shapeshifter, he doesn't deliver on what he's supposed to and when he's confronted with it, he realizes that he doesn't really care that much.
[SPEAKER_01]: It doesn't seem important.
[SPEAKER_01]: And quote, yes, it did seem like he became sad and it didn't matter anymore.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: You know what, he, he, it's like he went through yoga teacher training in a way.
[SPEAKER_02]: You know, where he was able to realize the things during he was high on drugs.
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know where to go.
[SPEAKER_00]: There is that feeling in watching the episode.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_01]: As if the female changing hypnotized and mesmerized and more drug to something.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: We immediately go to that it's something that she did.
[SPEAKER_00]: And of course, it is something that she did.
[SPEAKER_00]: But it is the link itself that it is a drug.
[SPEAKER_00]: The link itself is a drug.
[SPEAKER_00]: And she introduces him, the first one is free.
[SPEAKER_00]: She introduces him to the drug and he's fascinated with the drug.
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, he loves it.
[SPEAKER_00]: And of course, he's been trying for four or five years to find out who he really is and now he's finding out.
[SPEAKER_02]: I feel this episode for me, I learned more about changelings than maybe I have in five seasons before.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I mean, I love the metaphor of the drop in the ocean.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: I am the ocean and when I join when I'm in the link, I'm just a drop in the ocean.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, yeah, that's a very good writing.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, very good writing and very kind of the metaphors and the analogies they used to explain for Odo to understand who he was helped me to understand in a whole new way.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm a very concrete way.
[SPEAKER_02]: It was, yeah, a very good writing.
[SPEAKER_00]: I will say I think this episode has a lot of good writing in it, but it is in my mind plot driven.
[SPEAKER_00]: No, it's more about character study than it is about plot.
[SPEAKER_00]: Not that that's a bad thing.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's just something that usually we get a very strong plot I don't see either in the A-B in the A story or the B story as strong a plot as we're used to You know it's bad.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm not criticizing.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm just saying that's my feeling about it.
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, I also feel like
[SPEAKER_02]: Your show is shifting.
[SPEAKER_02]: DS9 is shifting from these standalone episodes into very heavily serialized stuff.
[SPEAKER_00]: Which is why people didn't like our show.
[SPEAKER_00]: This is exactly what people did.
[SPEAKER_00]: If I miss one, I don't know where I'm at.
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, how can I watch this show?
[SPEAKER_00]: And the syndicates who bought the show, because it's a syndicated show.
[SPEAKER_00]: They didn't like it at all.
[SPEAKER_00]: And the studio didn't like it either.
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, I think that what you've sensed in terms of plot or lack of plot or soft plot or whatever was this kind of unashamed embracing of we're going to do a serialized show now.
[SPEAKER_02]: This is going to be ongoing stories we're going to we don't need a plot we don't need it you know as strong of a plot to sort of drive a story that wraps up in 43 minutes we're going to you know it's going to this story is going to keep going so we don't have to rush and I will also point out and this this involves the two of you as well did Voyager had just really started and so the allies were on Voyager and we were left to our own devices.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes you've mentioned that yes for sure.
[SPEAKER_02]: All right.
[SPEAKER_02]: Let's dive into this episode.
[SPEAKER_02]: We start off with a captain's log, start at 51145.
[SPEAKER_02]: 0.3.
[SPEAKER_02]: The defiant has been operating out of star base 375.
[SPEAKER_02]: Conducting four days into demanding controlled space.
[SPEAKER_02]: While the missions have taken a toll on my people, they remain determined to do whatever it takes to win this war as do I.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's what Cisco says.
[SPEAKER_02]: I just want to say I was reminded in this episode of star base.
[SPEAKER_02]: three, seven, five.
[SPEAKER_02]: How it was inspired by the original series, the Tribbles episode, that star base with the balls.
[SPEAKER_02]: I just love that they sort of designed your star base with some of that similar influence.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's interesting.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I was great.
[SPEAKER_01]: Cool.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's really great.
[SPEAKER_01]: It was like a modern version.
[SPEAKER_01]: I loved it.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, we go into the mess hall.
[SPEAKER_02]: Nog has got an impromptu bar going.
[SPEAKER_02]: Why?
[SPEAKER_00]: My question is, twice Nog serves drinks in this.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I'm going.
[SPEAKER_00]: Why?
[SPEAKER_00]: Because he can't.
[SPEAKER_00]: Because he does, and he's trying to help out.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's what I'm talking about.
[SPEAKER_00]: No, no, no, that's not the reason.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's not what I'm aiming at.
[SPEAKER_00]: What?
[SPEAKER_00]: Why is it assumed?
[SPEAKER_00]: that he serves the drinks.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, there could have been somebody else serving the drinks and and not could have said, yeah, I got that.
[SPEAKER_02]: I got that on the black market.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm still a for anger.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's true.
[SPEAKER_02]: Agreed.
[SPEAKER_02]: Although he does his status were reminded of his low status as a cadet by miles in this episode, I think, where miles
[SPEAKER_02]: when they're talking about captain.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: And now I'll just say something like, you mean, I could be called captain.
[SPEAKER_02]: I was like, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if,
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I don't worry.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I guess I did rank on me that he was serving.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, you feel like there's some bias against Franky's right there.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I get it.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's very valid.
[SPEAKER_01]: You have a very valid point.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, he's got some sorry and brandy somehow on the black market.
[SPEAKER_02]: Reminds everyone, you know, he's still a fringy.
[SPEAKER_02]: Biles brings in this tube, looks like a bazooka or something.
[SPEAKER_01]: It looks like a skinnier scuba tank.
[SPEAKER_01]: It does look like a heavy.
[SPEAKER_01]: Exactly.
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_01]: That is a power cell for the phaser array.
[SPEAKER_01]: So it powers up the phasers.
[SPEAKER_01]: But evidently, when you use it up, you just discard it.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I'm going to say right now, everybody.
[SPEAKER_01]: Now we're so, we're always thinking at the forefront of our minds about recycling
[SPEAKER_01]: And I keep thinking, really, they just throw these power cells away.
[SPEAKER_01]: I felt like they should have been rechargeable.
[SPEAKER_01]: So that was kind of weird when they saw it.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, a power cell is a battery in a sense.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's what you're describing a power cell, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: Right.
[SPEAKER_01]: but it's disposable though.
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, once it's used up, you just toss it, which I thought, wow, that's what a waste.
[SPEAKER_01]: And in the future, shouldn't they all these be, you know, bring a back and recharge them or something?
[SPEAKER_02]: I have my AA and AAA batteries with my rechargeable little machine and a bar and I recharge my AAAs and AAs because you go through those with all kinds of things.
[SPEAKER_02]: We have controls or all kinds of stuff around the house.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yep.
[SPEAKER_02]: good to have rechargeable.
[SPEAKER_01]: And you're saving money.
[SPEAKER_01]: You're not buying new batteries.
[SPEAKER_01]: You keep using the rechargeable ones.
[SPEAKER_01]: Right.
[SPEAKER_00]: You're not throwing the old ones in the garbage.
[SPEAKER_00]: Exactly.
[SPEAKER_01]: Exactly.
[SPEAKER_01]: But for the for the sake of this storyline, you need them to be disposable.
[SPEAKER_01]: So they can kind of put them up.
[SPEAKER_01]: As funnels like trophies or like trophies or just memorials of we survived this battle.
[SPEAKER_02]: We survived that battle.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_02]: Cisco gives a very big speech.
[SPEAKER_02]: very inspiring moment, very nice ceremony, and the Admiral Ross arrives.
[SPEAKER_02]: He wants to take a walk.
[SPEAKER_02]: They take a little walk in talk, and we learn that Sturfleet is found out how the Dominion always knows their moves before they arrive to attack.
[SPEAKER_02]: Before Sturfleet shows up, it's like the Dominion has, you know, a nice pier or something they've been like up.
[SPEAKER_02]: And Ross says that they've discovered a massive sensor array hidden in their goal as cluster.
[SPEAKER_02]: So Ross gives him Admiral Ross gives Cisco this intelligence report and says he wants a plan on his his desk at 0800.
[SPEAKER_00]: So, uh, let's go first on this show at 0800.
[SPEAKER_00]: So fun.
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, I will say like, oh, 800 for me is a little late eight o'clock.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm up much earlier than that and then the military don't think I'm notoriously very like super early, but I want to live five in the morning.
[SPEAKER_01]: If you funny, remember, I was like, I get that attack plan on my death by 1930.
[SPEAKER_02]: What happens next?
[SPEAKER_02]: We go to Quarks.
[SPEAKER_02]: This is such an international.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, let me talk about this.
[SPEAKER_01]: This is really interesting because you have Kira on the second level.
[SPEAKER_01]: And she's narrating this entire thing.
[SPEAKER_01]: As if she's, you know, it's she's in the theater play or something.
[SPEAKER_01]: She's the spotlight's up on her and the Mezzanine.
[SPEAKER_02]: And you guys think of this.
[SPEAKER_01]: I thought it was cool because it was different from anything we have ever seen on this show.
[SPEAKER_01]: And there's a bit, Armin, you're taking it.
[SPEAKER_01]: Did you like the tape?
[SPEAKER_00]: I did think it was different and therefore I liked it, but I thought several times in this episode instead of showing you what's happening.
[SPEAKER_00]: We hear about it.
[SPEAKER_00]: Some people tell you about it.
[SPEAKER_00]: Because it was the first of a handful of those.
[SPEAKER_00]: It was very different and therefore interesting because usually the story isn't told through a narrator.
[SPEAKER_00]: Right.
[SPEAKER_00]: And that I found to be very interesting.
[SPEAKER_00]: And that was a nice way.
[SPEAKER_00]: It is, you know, the writers took a different tack.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: But at the same time, they did allow some of the dialogue to float up that you could hear.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's from Demar Singh.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, throw your entire race off of the station or something like that about when when it gets, you know, what's the fact?
[SPEAKER_00]: And I watched my silent stuff with Casey with Demar.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I'm wondering, was that scripted?
[SPEAKER_00]: What I doubt it was.
[SPEAKER_00]: What we told what we had to do, I don't remember, in order to accommodate the narration.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, that's a good question.
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, you would have read the script and saw everything that I had memorized her narration.
[SPEAKER_00]: I know, obviously.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it just seemed like we were indeed doing a scene down there, but there was no script.
[SPEAKER_00]: There was no dialogue.
[SPEAKER_01]: Robbie could have, uh, Levarben, you kind of off camera going like, okay.
[SPEAKER_01]: So now he's going to ask about the blah, blah, I mean, could he be?
[SPEAKER_00]: Like it didn't seem like that because there weren't a abrupt changes, it seemed to flow.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: I feel like that was improvised.
[SPEAKER_01]: What I thought it was interesting, but I mostly was thinking, why are they not shielding themselves in the upper level and hiding a little bit?
[SPEAKER_01]: Because anybody could just look up casually, oh, well, what the hell is Major Kira doing up there?
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, so she could have been linked to the whole loss of the pad.
[SPEAKER_02]: So it helps, I think.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, just grounding it in why would, I mean, this is a question I often ask actors when we're rehearsing a scene rather than telling them what I think and saying, I think you share character would blah blah blah.
[SPEAKER_02]: I ask a question, why would your character do this?
[SPEAKER_02]: Why would your character narrate from up on the balcony?
[SPEAKER_02]: Why?
[SPEAKER_02]: Because you feel like you're in control, you're having fun, and you've set them up, you're watching it all play out, your puppet masters, enjoyed that.
[SPEAKER_02]: But it didn't seem like the why would your characters be doing this weird thing, this unusual thing.
[SPEAKER_02]: Right.
[SPEAKER_02]: have been heard discussed.
[SPEAKER_00]: It seems a lot of character is what it seems, right?
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, as I've been listening to you guys wisely discussed this, it occurred to me in reference to what you're just saying, Robbie.
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know if you guys play chess.
[SPEAKER_00]: I play chess.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_00]: He's doing pretty good at it.
[SPEAKER_00]: If you're really good at it, you can look at the board and know what the next six moves are going to be.
[SPEAKER_00]: If I do this, then he has to do that.
[SPEAKER_00]: And then I have to do this, and then she has to do that.
[SPEAKER_00]: And you know what that could have been the way to do this.
[SPEAKER_00]: Are we doing great?
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, so she says at the very top of the scene,
[SPEAKER_00]: a character of routine or something.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm pretty sure you have it.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: So we start by making this move, and he sort of has to go that way.
[SPEAKER_00]: And then Quark has to do this.
[SPEAKER_00]: And then the Gemma Dart have to do that.
[SPEAKER_00]: And so you're waiting.
[SPEAKER_00]: What you're doing is, as the six moves are evolving, yes indeed, it's just the way I thought it would go.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes indeed, yes indeed.
[SPEAKER_02]: That would have worked too.
[SPEAKER_02]: That would have been great.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_02]: I feel like there was not there was sort of this generalized idea that they're going to narrate from afar and the writers wrote out the narration without thinking about how humans or characters would actually why would they do this?
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, they say that.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, and the writers.
[SPEAKER_00]: Why would the writers do that?
[SPEAKER_00]: And that's the second time I want to see episode.
[SPEAKER_00]: I was thinking about that.
[SPEAKER_00]: Why this narration?
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I thought because the script was too long.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_00]: And they needed to get a lot of plot.
[SPEAKER_02]: A lot of pipe as we call it.
[SPEAKER_01]: Showbiz.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's called what pipe pipe pipe.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's just pipe information.
[SPEAKER_02]: May the pipe that's going to lay the pipe.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's going to get the story from here to there.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I thought that's why they did this is that in order to cut down on the time of the episode.
[SPEAKER_00]: 100%.
[SPEAKER_02]: All right.
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, we do learn through this narration that Demar's frustrated, he can't find his pad.
[SPEAKER_02]: The pad has all this info about the white is running out and they may have to make a poison with the remaining white that will kill the gemhadar because if the gemhadar run out of white, they're going to kill everybody.
[SPEAKER_02]: So they can't have that.
[SPEAKER_02]: So they may have to actually kill the gemhadar right here.
[SPEAKER_02]: So that's all on the pad.
[SPEAKER_02]: Jim had our arrives with a pad in his hand.
[SPEAKER_02]: They start arguing tomorrow and then quirk tries to break it up.
[SPEAKER_02]: A big fight ensues.
[SPEAKER_02]: There's even a backbreaker from the WWE.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh my god.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, you've heard it.
[SPEAKER_01]: His back broke.
[SPEAKER_01]: Wonder if the British film commission, you know, cut that sound out.
[SPEAKER_02]: It was very, very WWE to me.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it was, it was a, what do you call it?
[SPEAKER_01]: A suplex, something like that.
[SPEAKER_01]: Paul driving, suplex, it was a, it was a wow, but there are casualties.
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, people are getting raised and stabbed and, but let's not somebody get thrown over a bar.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, that's okay.
[SPEAKER_01]: Let's talk about it.
[SPEAKER_01]: the minute that the bar grabs court and just tosses him.
[SPEAKER_01]: I thought yet another abuse of quirk and I was I was like you know what just shove him out away just push him out of the way you don't have to throw him over the bar he's not Jim Hadar he's quirk so it was a little unnerving for me to see you get thrown right there.
[SPEAKER_00]: It was not necessary to get to be that strong.
[SPEAKER_01]: Exactly, he became Superman all of a sudden, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: But we also have to remember, it's wrong who Pilfer the Pad.
[SPEAKER_01]: Mom has his amazing abilities.
[SPEAKER_01]: He can fix things, and he can also Pilfer people's goods, so, and he's the one that placed it outside the Jementar quarters.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yes, and Cara disappears into the shadows.
[SPEAKER_01]: He's very film noir, heard back up into the film noir blocking, and we love it.
[SPEAKER_02]: It was a little theatrical, the whole thing for my taste, I just didn't, I didn't quite buy.
[SPEAKER_02]: Great.
[SPEAKER_02]: that part of our story, but it was a lot of pipe.
[SPEAKER_01]: They had to get out and throw a lot of pipe down.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_00]: But to give it a little bit of due, it was very nice to look at.
[SPEAKER_00]: I liked where they could set the camera and how all the action was happening down below.
[SPEAKER_00]: That usually doesn't happen on our show.
[SPEAKER_00]: We did get those sort of angles sometime, but I thought Levar was right to put it where
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, you got to see a much larger discreet.
[SPEAKER_00]: He only has to shoot discreet, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: But he was with that distance and that wider angle.
[SPEAKER_01]: You got to see a lot more than normal, which is different for sure.
[SPEAKER_02]: Come back from our opening titles and we're still a quarks to cod is mad at do more he is mad mad mad.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, to Mars says they attacked me and to cod's like, I don't care what they did.
[SPEAKER_02]: You should never let the situation go hand.
[SPEAKER_02]: And then Wei Yoon comes over and Wei Yoon says, Deaf to make everyone feel like they're still allies.
[SPEAKER_02]: He says smile.
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, what you can pull off the smile, and then he tells through God to smile, keeps smiling.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, I, in my nose, I wrote down, William does his best, Mr. Rock impersonation from Fantasy Island.
[SPEAKER_01]: Smiles, everyone, smiles.
[SPEAKER_00]: So that's what that was very funny.
[SPEAKER_00]: When this is a tangent, when Kitty auditioned for a Ford in the next season, just she went to Jeffrey and she says, what do you think the essence of a Ford here is?
[SPEAKER_00]: What should I bring to the audition?
[SPEAKER_00]: She said, smile.
[SPEAKER_01]: Just smile.
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, way in smiles says, do caught shit's mild.
[SPEAKER_02]: They should make everyone think they're, you know, they're They're getting all allies.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, and then auto comes over and suggest, hey, maybe you should get your men out of here and separate them before there's another fight So they do do caught takes his men off first and then way in with this smile
[SPEAKER_02]: because over and starts to take his men out.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I like the fact that Mark stops smiling about three quarters the way through that scene and then didn't smile anymore.
[SPEAKER_00]: Even has way on his saying, we have to smile.
[SPEAKER_00]: He's just, you can, that's more, yes.
[SPEAKER_00]: Very clever about saying, okay, I did it for a little while, but I'm not sticking with this.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm not his puppet.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's right.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm not gonna play his name.
[SPEAKER_00]: And there is a little tension between who's men are gonna get sequestered?
[SPEAKER_00]: And Wayne makes it clear both, both sides, both sides.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: You also see Odo's not really happy with life on the station right now.
[SPEAKER_00]: Right.
[SPEAKER_02]: You know, he pops in and says, Get your men.
[SPEAKER_02]: You should separate him.
[SPEAKER_02]: But he's very grumpy.
[SPEAKER_00]: Mm-hmm.
[SPEAKER_02]: A little extra grumpy in my opinion.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: He should get thrown over bar.
[SPEAKER_02]: Then I could understand and be.
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, next up, we are in Admiral Ross's office on Starbase.
[SPEAKER_01]: Is it Starbase 375?
[SPEAKER_01]: 375?
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, 375.
[SPEAKER_01]: 375 with the bulbous parts to it that Robbie loves so much.
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_01]: So we're in Admiral Ross's office with Cisco Cisco has his attack plan to take out the massive sensor array over in the Argollis cluster.
[SPEAKER_01]: And his idea is instead of going around it, we're going to go through it.
[SPEAKER_01]: And Ross is like, ah, yeah, that's going to shred your ship to pieces because of the gravimetric forces that are going to be encountering.
[SPEAKER_01]: And Cisco is like, no, no, it's good.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's good.
[SPEAKER_01]: We got Dax and Dax can actually navigate around all the gravimetric distortions.
[SPEAKER_00]: Dax is a science officer.
[SPEAKER_00]: No, it's not a pilot.
[SPEAKER_00]: You've got a pilot, but you know, it's not a pilot.
[SPEAKER_02]: Wasn't wasn't one of her posts a putover went through this.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, it was a test pilot or something.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, one of her whatever prior past lives was a pilot.
[SPEAKER_01]: So she does know how to pilot because of that.
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, I could probably not drive a model A because that mechanism would be so different than what I'm used to.
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, fine.
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, they're a lot of you.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's what I mean.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I get you.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's a very funny, but then again, she's captaining the ship.
[SPEAKER_01]: So there may be another navigator on that, on the, on the, uh, defiant, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: It's possible.
[SPEAKER_01]: But as the science officer, she knows her way around gravometric distortions.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's, thank you.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, that's, that's the key.
[SPEAKER_00]: Right?
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: So Ross is willing.
[SPEAKER_01]: He's game.
[SPEAKER_01]: He's like, let's go for it.
[SPEAKER_00]: Let's give it a shot.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's obviously very risky.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's what Barry has said.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's what Ross has said.
[SPEAKER_00]: Forgive me.
[SPEAKER_00]: I only think of Barry's Barry and not as wrong.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's wrong.
[SPEAKER_02]: He's so good by the way.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, very good.
[SPEAKER_02]: He's so good.
[SPEAKER_02]: And he's a small dog.
[SPEAKER_00]: He's a relatively man who unfortunately is passed away.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: He says to Cisco, this is really very risky.
[SPEAKER_00]: And Cisco says, I'm willing to take that chance.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I thought, really shouldn't you discuss it with the others?
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, he says it's a gamble, but I'm willing to take it out.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I'm thinking there are probably anywhere from 10 to 20 people on that ship on the way.
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, risking their lives because he's willing to take that chance.
[SPEAKER_00]: No group discussion needed.
[SPEAKER_02]: We go to security office next.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: Otas there, Kira shows up.
[SPEAKER_02]: He, Otos mad.
[SPEAKER_02]: He is very mad because she made this plan without his approval.
[SPEAKER_02]: Basically, the whole pad steal the pads, set them up.
[SPEAKER_02]: And she's like, but you were in there.
[SPEAKER_02]: You were in there, and then you left.
[SPEAKER_02]: You said you didn't like the idea, but you left, and we kept talking about it, and you didn't stick around.
[SPEAKER_01]: So they're kind of getting into a little bit of a bickering there.
[SPEAKER_01]: This is like a couple's bickering.
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, to me, it's like, it's literally a husband and wife going a little, all right, you didn't tell me about this plan to, that's the overall that I saw here.
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, I would, if I were referring this argument, I would say you both have a point.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: However, Kira, if you guys came to an agreement of a plan at the end when he wasn't there, you should have filled him in before you move forward.
[SPEAKER_02]: You should have said great.
[SPEAKER_02]: We all agree.
[SPEAKER_02]: Let's just fill Odo in because it's a small resistance group and everybody should be a part of it.
[SPEAKER_02]: So yeah, they both have a point, but they should have filled them in.
[SPEAKER_00]: He's he's probably slightly and if it goes to a ride, the security officer should be aware of it.
[SPEAKER_00]: So you'll know what to do for Plan B if it goes a ride.
[SPEAKER_01]: Also, Odomus understands Kira.
[SPEAKER_01]: He thinks that she's questioning his loyalties, which she's very upset about in this scene.
[SPEAKER_01]: He's like, are you questioning me?
[SPEAKER_01]: Answer me.
[SPEAKER_01]: And she's like, no, I'm not.
[SPEAKER_01]: So this is not what it's about.
[SPEAKER_01]: So, and right when that happens, guess who shows up?
[SPEAKER_01]: Female founders.
[SPEAKER_01]: She, female shapeshifter comes in.
[SPEAKER_01]: Sound engines.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, I'll imagine.
[SPEAKER_02]: And Sullivan Jen's is she, like, French or Dutch or something, I felt like there's an accent in there now.
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't think that's a theater training.
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: It almost in one of the scenes.
[SPEAKER_02]: I was like, maybe it was the makeup with the theater training, you know, kind of.
[SPEAKER_02]: She is demonstrating.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: She's an unsating a little bit.
[SPEAKER_02]: She's American.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Wow.
[SPEAKER_01]: I like a vetock that we saw Robbie with that heavy accent.
[SPEAKER_01]: Remember the vetock?
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: She was French.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: Uh, what we continue after a little break, the founder asked Kira for some privacy, Kira leaves, founder says that she was trapped in the Alpha Quadrant when the wormhole got minced.
[SPEAKER_02]: She couldn't get out and she's getting kind of lonely.
[SPEAKER_02]: She wants to connect with people over, you know, like herself, but Odo initially is still mad that she turned him into a solid and she says, well, that was the punishment.
[SPEAKER_02]: You killed one of our own and that fit your crime to take away your
[SPEAKER_02]: shapeshifting, make you a solid, but she says now, you know, now that you're back to being a shapeshifter, you know, you've got your powers back or whatever, you're capable of so much more than fighting a war that isn't even your war.
[SPEAKER_02]: These aren't your people, and she says, you know, we should spend time together, and then you'll understand.
[SPEAKER_02]: I wrote down smooth pickup loss.
[SPEAKER_01]: She's coming on hot, isn't she?
[SPEAKER_01]: She really is.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh my goodness.
[SPEAKER_01]: So next up we're back in Admiral Ross's office on star base 375 and guess what?
[SPEAKER_01]: Cisco is getting some news.
[SPEAKER_01]: Ross is talking about Captain Bennett.
[SPEAKER_01]: Captain Bennett is Ross's agent is being promoted to or being put in charge of the seventh tactical wing.
[SPEAKER_01]: But now there seems to be an open space and open, you know, there's a job opportunity here.
[SPEAKER_01]: And Cisco's like, wow, who's going to fill in the role of, you know, what Captain Bennett was doing.
[SPEAKER_01]: And Cisco finds out he is the one, he is the one who gets promoted.
[SPEAKER_01]: So he is now the new agitent to Admiral Ross.
[SPEAKER_01]: And he would not be doing the R. Goldless mission.
[SPEAKER_01]: And they will send Commander Dax to leave that mission.
[SPEAKER_01]: Come on.
[SPEAKER_00]: And then she'd be asked whether or not she wants to take?
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, you.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's one thing that landed for me in this episode, more than it normally does, is that when you're in the military, you don't get a choice.
[SPEAKER_02]: You're told, now you're taking this ship, you're going on this mission.
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, that is, it was the realities of war that landed for me in this episode more than normal.
[SPEAKER_02]: Is that,
[SPEAKER_02]: the mission is more important than the individuals involved.
[SPEAKER_02]: And at the same time, Oda is looking for his individuality.
[SPEAKER_02]: You know, the mission is becoming less important to him.
[SPEAKER_02]: Interesting.
[SPEAKER_02]: Fascinating.
[SPEAKER_02]: Very good.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: But you can tell you can even see not even now.
[SPEAKER_01]: Cisco does not want to relinquish command of the defiant.
[SPEAKER_01]: He wants to be the person leading that mission, clearly.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: And for him to be relieved of that.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's bothering him.
[SPEAKER_01]: It really is.
[SPEAKER_02]: We're in the ward room and they're finishing up this council meeting, and this is when the founder walks in.
[SPEAKER_02]: Now shouldn't they have known she was on the station?
[SPEAKER_02]: You would think so, and Wei Yun is shocked, he's surprised and shocked.
[SPEAKER_02]: I love Jeffrey's choice, by the way, to not look at her.
[SPEAKER_02]: She, yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: He's doing all make eye contact.
[SPEAKER_00]: This is again what Jeff said to kitty when she auditioned for wait for a...
[SPEAKER_00]: you know, you don't make eye contact with the founders.
[SPEAKER_00]: You look away.
[SPEAKER_00]: These are all choices that Jeff made.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's why he established the rules for all of orders.
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, he was kind of creating not just this character, but a culture.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's why.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I'm so good.
[SPEAKER_02]: I won't look her in her eye.
[SPEAKER_02]: And, yeah, sorry.
[SPEAKER_02]: I didn't mean to jump on your point.
[SPEAKER_02]: They should know that there's a founder on the ship.
[SPEAKER_02]: What was that?
[SPEAKER_02]: It should be a big deal, super big deal.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: And someone should be protecting her.
[SPEAKER_02]: She's got a couple of guards.
[SPEAKER_00]: I saw it on the other side of the, yes, he had a side of it.
[SPEAKER_00]: He's got a couple of big guards actually.
[SPEAKER_00]: They're very tall.
[SPEAKER_00]: But it just seemed to me that it shouldn't be a surprise.
[SPEAKER_00]: It might be, oh, we've come into, you know, we knew you were on the station, but it's good to see you as opposed to, oh, we didn't know you were on the station.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: He does it so good though, Jeffrey.
[SPEAKER_01]: I want to go knock on his door and when he answers, I just want to copy him.
[SPEAKER_00]: Found it.
[SPEAKER_01]: You honest with your presence and just look at the ground when he answers the door and see what he how he reacts.
[SPEAKER_01]: He's such a good star truck actor.
[SPEAKER_00]: He's just he's up there with how many, you know, how many characters has he played?
[SPEAKER_00]: He's I've
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, I know you have a champ, but no, no, no, he is.
[SPEAKER_00]: He's always not.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, it's good to be close to him.
[SPEAKER_01]: He has more does, I think he has more episodes than Delancy does than Delancy.
[SPEAKER_01]: Delancy, Delancy, Delancy, Delancy, Delancy has literally shot to the, he would be the breakout character of the overall Star Trek.
[SPEAKER_01]: universe, I would say.
[SPEAKER_01]: And it's funny because I would say that Jeffrey Combs deserves that mantle or that role of being.
[SPEAKER_01]: Jeffrey's to appreciate the great work.
[SPEAKER_01]: Jeffrey should supersede uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh uh, uh uh, uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh
[SPEAKER_01]: focus on this gentleman listen to this man is just because not a leading man though is he truly not a leading man He'd like to be but he isn't.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, he's a character.
[SPEAKER_00]: What is a character?
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, all right in my book he's a leading man Neither okay
[SPEAKER_02]: I just watched the Martin Short Documentary, by the way, which is fabulous.
[SPEAKER_02]: Recommended?
[SPEAKER_02]: Highly recommended.
[SPEAKER_02]: And Martin Short talks about being a character, and playing small roles often.
[SPEAKER_02]: He'd come in for a bit for a funny idea in a movie.
[SPEAKER_02]: And he talked a lot about how he was there to serve the material as a character actor.
[SPEAKER_02]: And if his character was successful and broke out great, if not.
[SPEAKER_02]: But the one thing I remember him
[SPEAKER_02]: emphasizing over and over was most often we're going to fail.
[SPEAKER_02]: This movie's going to bomb.
[SPEAKER_02]: The show's going to close, people aren't going to like it, most of the time we fail, expect failure.
[SPEAKER_02]: And then when the success happened, the job is to accept that you do your best and it may still fail.
[SPEAKER_02]: That is your job.
[SPEAKER_02]: And then when the success happens, he's like, wow, isn't this amazing?
[SPEAKER_02]: Isn't this a gift?
[SPEAKER_02]: Aren't I lucky?
[SPEAKER_02]: Who would have thought this would be my success?
[SPEAKER_02]: It's just such a great, it's a great documentary.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: good advice.
[SPEAKER_01]: Very good advice.
[SPEAKER_01]: I want to watch it now.
[SPEAKER_01]: Back to the Wardroom though.
[SPEAKER_01]: Once female changeling comes in in the Wardroom, we have way you know, we have decaught.
[SPEAKER_01]: Essentially, you know, introductions are made to cuts very excited, but the female changeling sort of cuts them off because she says, well, what is happening with the minds?
[SPEAKER_01]: How come the minds have not been deactivated?
[SPEAKER_01]: The minds of this.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it's got to happen.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's got to happen right now.
[SPEAKER_00]: And there's a little back and forth between a way in and to caught about who's in charge.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's right.
[SPEAKER_00]: Running the war.
[SPEAKER_01]: The minute they're dismissed, a female changeling, the Solomon Jen's turns to Odo says, is that how they always, you know, they've got a knowing.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: He's like, yeah, they are.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: And she's like, wow, you've had to deal with a lot.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, no, kind of dismisses himself.
[SPEAKER_01]: He's, I'm busy.
[SPEAKER_01]: I've got some work to do.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm going to go to my quarters.
[SPEAKER_01]: And the founder says, man, walk with you.
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, the ultimate, how good is the female founder walk with home?
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, yeah, yeah, it's literally, I don't think, come in.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm going to say goodbye, Victor.
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, really?
[SPEAKER_02]: OK, I'll come in.
[SPEAKER_01]: But it's calling her shot A.
[SPEAKER_01]: She's the smooth operator.
[SPEAKER_01]: She really is.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh my goodness.
[SPEAKER_01]: She's smooth.
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, they go to Odo's quarter.
[SPEAKER_02]: She does get find her way in there.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yes, he's he's showing it off.
[SPEAKER_02]: All the shapes, all the objects, the jungle gems, all that stuff, the logs, the logs.
[SPEAKER_02]: He admits after he visited the home world that he's been very curious about who he is and what he can do.
[SPEAKER_02]: And she says, you know, the great link will always be there for you.
[SPEAKER_02]: You're one of us.
[SPEAKER_02]: And he says, oh no, he can't, can't possibly go back to the home world.
[SPEAKER_02]: She says, is that because of Kira, and he admits that he loves her.
[SPEAKER_02]: And then he gets into how deeply he loves her and it's a beautiful speech about love and how that experience I thought it was really well written Renee did a great job.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: And she says, well, I can offer clarity.
[SPEAKER_02]: I can offer you.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I mean, sorry, this drug.
[SPEAKER_01]: The first thing is for you.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, you mentioned the writing being so good.
[SPEAKER_01]: And it continues being so good.
[SPEAKER_01]: When the founders is poor Odo, and Odo says, no, I don't want your pity.
[SPEAKER_01]: And the founders says, I'm not offering you pity.
[SPEAKER_01]: And Odo says, what I need is some peace and the founders says, what you need is clarity.
[SPEAKER_01]: I can give you that.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's very simple.
[SPEAKER_01]: These are very short lines, but it's so effective and so well written.
[SPEAKER_01]: I love this scene.
[SPEAKER_01]: I really Yeah, and they start that link.
[SPEAKER_01]: The link happens a little bit of trivia for you guys while the writers didn't intend for the interaction between Odo and the female changeling to be sexual in nature.
[SPEAKER_01]: There, later, as Ravi Chenle, later conceded quote, it makes a certain amount of sense, and quote, the director of our Burton commented quote, those are love scenes.
[SPEAKER_01]: She was seducing him, straight up, plain and simple, and quote, Renee O'Bridge and Walsh quoted as saying, quote, I think it has some kind of sexual implications.
[SPEAKER_01]: It is definitely a very sensual experience for Odo.
[SPEAKER_01]: It is absolutely the consummation of a kind of peace that he can't have and quote.
[SPEAKER_00]: and when they when they morphed in the goo was it looked like they were about to kiss I guess they did I thought is that a kiss or is it just they're going to merge together so that they become a little to the ocean to get right but they didn't merge they stayed in their own separate places but they were getting closer to the same yeah I thought if we had stayed on that shot for another eight nine seconds I wonder if they would have left right into one
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, we go to the security office next tomorrow is there.
[SPEAKER_02]: The more sitting at the security desk, Kira kind of teases him, she please been demoted or something.
[SPEAKER_02]: She asks where Odo is, though, there's a bit of a power struggle between the two of them.
[SPEAKER_01]: They're just both in shots at each other.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: And tomorrow says, uh, Odo's in his quarters with the other shapeshifter.
[SPEAKER_02]: She starts to leave.
[SPEAKER_02]: He's like, oh, are you jealous?
[SPEAKER_02]: So they're just, they're at each other.
[SPEAKER_02]: They are.
[SPEAKER_01]: The bar hates Kara clearly.
[SPEAKER_02]: She says, uh, to stay out of trouble tomorrow.
[SPEAKER_02]: You don't want to end up in sanitation duty.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's her advice.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's no love loss here.
[SPEAKER_02]: No, that's something those two.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's interesting.
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, you may know, uh, the answer to this arm.
[SPEAKER_02]: And, but,
[SPEAKER_00]: uh... was tomorrow always conceived as a like a character like this or do you think they sort of no i think case he's charm made a difference uh... i mean that's what happens we all know that it if the writers see an actress performance that we really like this guy well we like this woman
[SPEAKER_00]: They write more for them and I think tomorrow I think was always going to be an ad Adjutant to do cut, but then he takes on a personality episode because because Casey is a charming lovely smart man Yeah, and the wonderful actor.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, I'm Julia Ark as you know.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yes, all right So we're back at out of his quarters.
[SPEAKER_02]: He's sitting there gazing out of the window He's had his first taste of this link drug very expensive come addicted to yeah, he loves it
[SPEAKER_02]: Here comes in, ask Oto why she came to see him.
[SPEAKER_02]: Why did the founder come?
[SPEAKER_02]: And, uh, let's clear Kira does not like this founder.
[SPEAKER_02]: No.
[SPEAKER_02]: She asked if, if they linked.
[SPEAKER_02]: And he admits that they did.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, she is mad.
[SPEAKER_01]: See, this is at this part where Otos kind of says, hey, it's okay, she didn't find out about the resistance.
[SPEAKER_01]: I started thinking, really?
[SPEAKER_01]: That's like the main founder alien that we've been introduced to that can do anything and that knows everything.
[SPEAKER_01]: I kept thinking that's baloney.
[SPEAKER_01]: I completely can realize that she's interested in the relationship.
[SPEAKER_01]: Right, of course she can.
[SPEAKER_01]: Hey, can't hide that from her.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's absolutely right.
[SPEAKER_00]: She's on the money.
[SPEAKER_00]: She really is.
[SPEAKER_00]: And she would have, I mean, we hear all the time.
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, I didn't say this, but I got this, or I didn't actually hear this.
[SPEAKER_00]: But I got this sense that she was, that someone was covering something.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, the better would have stayed.
[SPEAKER_01]: The founder would have did the same thing.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, he's covering something.
[SPEAKER_00]: Of course, 1,000%.
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, Cara makes him promise not to link again till this war is over.
[SPEAKER_02]: And he agrees.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, at the end of the scene.
[SPEAKER_02]: She seems like so far so good.
[SPEAKER_02]: Kira's right, but she's being she's forgiving him or giving him a little space to make a mistake here, but says, please don't do this again.
[SPEAKER_02]: You can't.
[SPEAKER_00]: And his agreeing in my mind is exactly what we would expect on this show after watching it for a five plus seasons.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, she says something.
[SPEAKER_00]: He agrees.
[SPEAKER_00]: And that seemed to me absolutely the way it's been done in the past.
[SPEAKER_00]: The surprise in this episode is he goes against that.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I'm a little ahead of myself, but I really like that.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I did too.
[SPEAKER_01]: Next up, we're on the bridge of the defiant and they're doing all their last second preparations before leaving for their mission.
[SPEAKER_01]: And we have a nice little cute scene with Nog and Dax and a bright, well, with Nog and a Brian.
[SPEAKER_01]: Basically, Dax asks, are you two ever going to be finished in Nogs?
[SPEAKER_01]: It's just a few more minutes commander in a Brian says, that's Captain.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's an old naval tradition, whoever's in command of a ship regardless of rank is referred to.
[SPEAKER_01]: It was Captain.
[SPEAKER_01]: Nog gets it very excited.
[SPEAKER_01]: He's like, wait, wait.
[SPEAKER_01]: You mean if I had to take command?
[SPEAKER_01]: I would be called Captain Two, and a Brian's like, Cadet, by the time you took a man, there'd be nobody left to call you anything.
[SPEAKER_01]: And dogs, I could point, everyone would be dead, and that's right, there'd be no one left.
[SPEAKER_01]: He's the lowest ranked person, but this is when Cisco enters.
[SPEAKER_01]: Cisco comes into the bridge, and Cisco is just looking around thinking, this should be me, I wanna be fleeting this.
[SPEAKER_01]: This should, please, let me, he's bummed, he really is.
[SPEAKER_01]: Brian goes all done here captain and both Cisco and Daxel.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like very all right, they both respond to a Brian and it's a cute little interchange there, but you know, he wishes them well and he leaves, but you I'll tell you what boy does he play that, you know
[SPEAKER_01]: Wistful longing.
[SPEAKER_01]: Look at the bridge before he gets out of there.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yes, he does.
[SPEAKER_02]: I didn't know that it was a naval tradition that you call whoever was in church.
[SPEAKER_02]: Captain, that seemed like new information to me.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, and I kind of liked it, actually.
[SPEAKER_02]: I like, I feel like Jean Roddenberry really drew from authentic naval tradition and naval research and knowledge and things like that.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, that's great.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'll also say, Arm in that, as much as, for instance, having cork thrown over the bar by tomorrow was in my estimation too much.
[SPEAKER_01]: It should have just pushed out of the way, not abuse cork day.
[SPEAKER_01]: For all the instances and all the moments of
[SPEAKER_01]: this sort of description or display of how cork is being treated.
[SPEAKER_01]: We always have the counter balance, which is Nog, a fringy being an integral part of this crew of this mission.
[SPEAKER_01]: So that makes me smile.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's all like, oh, thank goodness, at least sometimes.
[SPEAKER_00]: I couldn't agree more.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and certainly that's an agenda for the writers to show that the difference between the two
[SPEAKER_00]: But I do have a question not knowing a naval tradition at all.
[SPEAKER_00]: The stuff about the Captain I agree with you is interesting.
[SPEAKER_00]: What I would like to ask someone who knows about this stuff.
[SPEAKER_00]: Is it normal for a cadet to go on such an away and dangerous mission?
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, yeah, probably not.
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, we just dealt with this in the last episode with Terry.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: The clingsons had new recruits show up, and Warf Sun showed up, and was suddenly at a integral position of like ops operations on the bridge.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's like a battle, like it was like, wait, he's a brand new recruit.
[SPEAKER_02]: The whole story is that he's not prepared or trained for any of this, and you've put him
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I feel like Star Trek does that often with this kind of trophy characters, you know, these archetypes, the innocent, you know, in experience character gets thrown into responsibility.
[SPEAKER_02]: I get why it helps story wise.
[SPEAKER_02]: It just doesn't make any logical sense.
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, I honestly felt that, yeah, yes, he's cadet, but it's almost as if he was assigned to the station as his internship, you know, and so he's with the gang no matter what they do, he's going to be with the gang is the way I validated that my own head.
[SPEAKER_02]: We go into quarks from here, a mourn is there as usual, drinking, tomorrow comes in.
[SPEAKER_02]: He's very happy tomorrow, which is surprising.
[SPEAKER_02]: It seems a little unexpected because he was in such a big trouble for the big fight.
[SPEAKER_02]: And it was kind of demoted to sit in the security office.
[SPEAKER_02]: But here he is ordering the expensive stuff from quark.
[SPEAKER_02]: He mentions that he's going to be a goal.
[SPEAKER_02]: He can afford it on a goal salary.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, he is a goal now.
[SPEAKER_01]: He's already a goal.
[SPEAKER_01]: He's been.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, he is because he's he was a glim before it, which is the lower position.
[SPEAKER_01]: Now he's a goal because he says I can afford it on a goal salary.
[SPEAKER_00]: So he's going to be.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I'm not so sure about that.
[SPEAKER_00]: Why, Garrett, I think he's thinking he's going to get a promotion.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's what I thought.
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, okay.
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, then I did it.
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_01]: I was anticipating his promotion.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: I can see that side of it now.
[SPEAKER_02]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_02]: See, he found a way to make it up to him.
[SPEAKER_02]: And it's going to change the course of history.
[SPEAKER_02]: And quarks very interested in this.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's like, oh, yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: Changing the course of a business man.
[SPEAKER_02]: So the course of history.
[SPEAKER_02]: stories very interesting to me.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_02]: So it's pouring him free drinks out of the expensive bottle and tomorrow and says, see, can't talk about it, but they keep drinking.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, can I keep drinking?
[SPEAKER_00]: Can I?
[SPEAKER_00]: This is one of the things I remember from this episode.
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, good.
[SPEAKER_00]: Really, David.
[SPEAKER_00]: Let's talk about it.
[SPEAKER_00]: So can I as prune juice?
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, is that what they hear?
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's what's in the bottle.
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, my God.
[SPEAKER_00]: And he hated the taste of
[SPEAKER_00]: And as far as I had to shoot this particular scene several times and there's actually a look if you if you get beyond the performance and you really look in the exercise When he has to drink that he goes
[SPEAKER_00]: And the bar for the necessity of shooting the scene had to do it several times, and, and, and, Casey never complained.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: But he, he did certainly mean one point.
[SPEAKER_00]: I hate this stuff.
[SPEAKER_02]: And if you have to drink a lot of prune juice, I'm just going to say, yeah, yeah, you're going to be at least get things moving.
[SPEAKER_02]: It does.
[SPEAKER_00]: It does.
[SPEAKER_00]: It takes off one of his costumes is very difficult.
[SPEAKER_00]: So my God.
[SPEAKER_00]: What if he hated drinking that can also.
[SPEAKER_01]: Two things.
[SPEAKER_01]: I wish that tomorrow had a line to court.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm sorry about throwing you over the bar the other day.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's something like that, just to apologize.
[SPEAKER_01]: And the second question for both of you is more directed towards Armin, I thought Kenar was meant to be sipped.
[SPEAKER_01]: I didn't, the way he's taking it, and he's not gonna do a shot of it.
[SPEAKER_00]: Wasn't it, I mean, it may be, it may be, but I promise you, he wanted to get it over with his feet.
[SPEAKER_01]: It was possible.
[SPEAKER_01]: He's not gonna sip it and say for it.
[SPEAKER_01]: He's gonna sip it, throw it down.
[SPEAKER_01]: He'll melt it down.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's like Tequila.
[SPEAKER_02]: You can sip Tequila or you can do shots.
[SPEAKER_02]: You can't read that.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's what you're going for.
[SPEAKER_00]: I suppose.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: Before we go on, we're doing repairs as what Quark says.
[SPEAKER_00]: And he shows him something.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I would assume it's something broken from the bar.
[SPEAKER_00]: I would assume that.
[SPEAKER_00]: But I don't really know from that shot.
[SPEAKER_00]: We just say, oh, we're doing repairs and he showed you something.
[SPEAKER_00]: I would have loved an insert to show me what that was.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't remember that, but I don't know why what it would be because it doesn't seem like a broken chair, a burst of glass, something from that, but it's so far away, I have no idea what that is, we're talking to the pairs.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'll have to watch it again, see if I can see how interesting.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: All right, we're in Cure's quarters right now.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's a resistance meeting.
[SPEAKER_01]: Jake is there.
[SPEAKER_01]: Ram is there.
[SPEAKER_01]: Odo is there.
[SPEAKER_01]: Jake's talking about re-igniting the attention between the Kardashians and the Gemma D'Ar, and maybe causing another altercation.
[SPEAKER_01]: Cure is not sure about it.
[SPEAKER_00]: I had a question about that, Garen.
[SPEAKER_00]: Is Cure not sure about that for herself?
[SPEAKER_00]: And therefore, she doesn't care for it.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's what I think.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, she's deferring to Odo here, because she knows how upset he was before.
[SPEAKER_00]: So wouldn't it, it wouldn't clear to me if she had just somehow said that?
[SPEAKER_00]: Right.
[SPEAKER_00]: Odo doesn't think that's a good idea.
[SPEAKER_00]: Right.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, that would have been faster, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, quicker.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like, it's true.
[SPEAKER_01]: But she sets it up, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: She's like, yeah, I'm sure we want to do that.
[SPEAKER_01]: And then since she's, what do you think?
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, no, it was like, I'm not sure that's a good idea.
[SPEAKER_01]: And because he's caught up with what he's thinking about.
[SPEAKER_01]: He's on the link drug.
[SPEAKER_00]: He doesn't know what he would have liked for him to say.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm not sure, but that's a good idea.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think I would have liked to see the old Odo just pop out for a second.
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, yeah, get a little, a ruck for you about that.
[SPEAKER_00]: Right.
[SPEAKER_02]: He doesn't seem interested in this conversation.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, completely just detached from everything at this point.
[SPEAKER_01]: So, Kira says, okay, we'll just think of something else, but of course, the doorbell rings.
[SPEAKER_01]: Everyone is, well, mostly Brahms like, could that be?
[SPEAKER_01]: If there's a little bit of nerves, Kira's like, oh, don't worry.
[SPEAKER_01]: We're just enjoying each other's company hanging out.
[SPEAKER_01]: Kork comes in and boy does Kork make an entrance.
[SPEAKER_01]: Kork is clearly a knee-rated.
[SPEAKER_01]: Good job.
[SPEAKER_02]: Like playing drunk.
[SPEAKER_01]: Good job, Norman.
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I don't need that.
[SPEAKER_00]: You don't know where the line is.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's hard to play trunk realistically without overdoing.
[SPEAKER_00]: And if you overdo, it just looks harder.
[SPEAKER_01]: I didn't think you overdo it at all.
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know.
[SPEAKER_01]: Because you kept it very, very contained in the very beginning.
[SPEAKER_01]: And it's funny because the drunk people do try to...
[SPEAKER_01]: They try to hold it together.
[SPEAKER_01]: The best they can, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: And they're very...
[SPEAKER_01]: They're very gentle with their movement slow.
[SPEAKER_01]: But then where you were able to let loose was that line about, didn't tomorrow, drinking canar and you start laughing.
[SPEAKER_01]: And it was, I think it was perfect for your laugh was so good.
[SPEAKER_00]: It was genuinely, yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: I, I, I.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's what I remember.
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, I don't drink.
[SPEAKER_00]: So I don't get drunk.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, but certainly I'm on the few times that I have things You know, it's often seen funnier than they normally would.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and you've seen it happen to other people as well Thank you.
[SPEAKER_00]: Thank you both.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I think that whenever you have to like You've done these scenes where it's it says in the script, you know, we cut inside the Dining room and they're all laughing right
[SPEAKER_02]: And all the actors look at that and they're like, oh, she's we're going to have to get her to do that.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, so we're an overall laughing guest.
[SPEAKER_02]: And so somebody inevitably, one of the actors starts telling a fresh joke every take or something to try to make the laugh authentic.
[SPEAKER_02]: So people are,
[SPEAKER_02]: not getting burned out.
[SPEAKER_01]: Right.
[SPEAKER_02]: I had thought your laugh in this scene was so authentic.
[SPEAKER_02]: It was honest and real and heartfelt.
[SPEAKER_02]: It did not feel like an acting laugh at all.
[SPEAKER_02]: It was really funny.
[SPEAKER_02]: Thank you.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's really good.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: That was honestly that was probably the high point of this entire episode was good.
[SPEAKER_01]: You're doing it.
[SPEAKER_00]: You man.
[SPEAKER_01]: I just shared a bottle of glass.
[SPEAKER_01]: Look at his face.
[SPEAKER_01]: I just shared a bottle of canar with tomorrow.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, right.
[SPEAKER_01]: And the laughter that ensued was so good.
[SPEAKER_01]: Thank you.
[SPEAKER_01]: I was so authentic and lovely.
[SPEAKER_01]: It was wonderful.
[SPEAKER_01]: uh... but cork does go on he goes on to talk about you know what i just don't like these cardassians there mean they're arrogant and then the jemba dot they're creepy they just stand there they look at you they stand you felt those feelings i think you did a great job of this little speech here but most importantly cork wants the federation back he doesn't want these guys a lot of you don't want to hear your
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_01]: So there you go.
[SPEAKER_01]: Let's see once we appear to be sold.
[SPEAKER_00]: So I'm very happy for this scene, not for my performance, but for the fact that the writers are finally letting me become part of the gang for one of a better term.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, right.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's finally that he's going to, he's made up his mind to join up with these people, which are the,
[SPEAKER_00]: which are the heroes of the episode right now right of the series so i'm really glad that they you know a war is going on you have to take sides yes no as uh this is tangential but years ago when i served on the union board and it was very bifurcated there were two different factions and i was in the middle and one of the faction leaders came up to me and said arm and you have to take sides
[SPEAKER_00]: She said, we're like two semi trucks, and if you don't take sides, we're going to run you over.
[SPEAKER_00]: So I think finally Quark is taking sides, and that's a good thing.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, I'm just taking part in this.
[SPEAKER_00]: But obviously, how does he know that this meeting is going on?
[SPEAKER_01]: It has to be from wrong.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Who else could it be?
[SPEAKER_01]: Right.
[SPEAKER_00]: And his nephew is serving as a cadet on in this war.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: So family has always been most important to quack.
[SPEAKER_00]: So I think this is part of the decision-making process of what quack.
[SPEAKER_00]: Not only does he dislike the others, the the Jempedar and the Cardassians, but he has family risk here.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, yeah, both family are essentially working for Starfleet, right, for the Federation.
[SPEAKER_01]: So he has family in mind, but the important information is he's there to divulge is that he has found out that Demar has come up with a way to deactivate the minds and to caught once him to start field tests right away.
[SPEAKER_01]: So this is a huge, huge news for everybody.
[SPEAKER_01]: We have a bit of a commercial break.
[SPEAKER_01]: We come back and we see the beginning beats of this scene where they're sort of trying to
[SPEAKER_01]: with some coffee a little bit of coffee and cork is is a little bit more sober and he comes up with the the defector and they're like defector what is that how he's defecting a he's only said I'm not sure it's no no no no no no the flexor is what he is yeah I don't understand why he doesn't know the word defector he lives
[SPEAKER_00]: on that station where that word must be used a lot, but yeah, he was drunk.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, he was drunk.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's all, but it is, there is a defector in this episode.
[SPEAKER_00]: And that is Odo.
[SPEAKER_00]: That is right.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, so maybe it was written.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, very nice.
[SPEAKER_00]: I like that.
[SPEAKER_00]: There is a defector on things.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's him.
[SPEAKER_00]: Right.
[SPEAKER_00]: But you sound the only one.
[SPEAKER_00]: And the reality is Odo.
[SPEAKER_00]: But if you watch the episode, you go, no, the defector is Odo.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Wow.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, they're going to use the deflector array to essentially reconfigure the field generators, re-focused the emitters.
[SPEAKER_01]: So the deflector array becomes one big anti-gravaton beam, which will basically deactivate or take out all the mines.
[SPEAKER_01]: bad bad bad bad bad bad thing.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's going to happen.
[SPEAKER_01]: But what the cure does find out from wrong that the deflector can be sort of disabled in a certain way, but you got to have somebody go and run a certain diagnostic, uh, guess what?
[SPEAKER_02]: I've got to overload the wave guide.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, that's what he says.
[SPEAKER_01]: But that whole thing is secure.
[SPEAKER_01]: There's alarms attached to it.
[SPEAKER_01]: All this
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, Otos says I can take them offline for about five minutes if I run a security diagnostic, but that's all that I can give you at five minutes.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, that's enough though.
[SPEAKER_01]: Roms like I can do that in that time.
[SPEAKER_01]: So the plan is it's going to happen at 0800 and yet again, it's 0800 always.
[SPEAKER_01]: As always, it's always 0800.
[SPEAKER_01]: You will begin the diet.
[SPEAKER_01]: You will begin the diet in all ways.
[SPEAKER_00]: And really, it could be fun if they've received this.
[SPEAKER_00]: There's a scene.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's what the episode should be called.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, you know, but there's another scene with Demar's telling the cadassian troops.
[SPEAKER_01]: Hey, guys, it's really close to 800.
[SPEAKER_01]: Let's, let's up the patrols right now.
[SPEAKER_01]: Everything happens at 800.
[SPEAKER_01]: That would be exactly.
[SPEAKER_00]: So you guys have been very nice about complimenting me.
[SPEAKER_00]: So you haven't complimenting something.
[SPEAKER_00]: I was very proud of.
[SPEAKER_00]: A limitation of rom.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, yeah, I forgot about that.
[SPEAKER_01]: You don't want it was so seamless that it did it was so good that it did not, you know, stand out to for us to say that, but you did do a good impression.
[SPEAKER_01]: I was very happy with what did, uh, what did, uh, what did, uh, what did, uh, what did Max say on the distance.
[SPEAKER_01]: He's fine with it though, yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I mean, Max is doing impression.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's, it's close as they Max talks, but it isn't Max.
[SPEAKER_00]: Right.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's, you know, it's, it's just, you know, it's his wrong.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's his wrong.
[SPEAKER_02]: All right, so they have a plan.
[SPEAKER_02]: We go to Admiral Ross's office with Warf, Warf is calling in.
[SPEAKER_02]: And he's very worried about DACs.
[SPEAKER_02]: Cisco's there, Warf is talking to Cisco.
[SPEAKER_02]: And Cisco says, she'll be fine.
[SPEAKER_02]: She can handle this.
[SPEAKER_02]: She can do this job.
[SPEAKER_02]: And obviously, she's not going to miss your wedding.
[SPEAKER_02]: And then Warf notices that Cisco seems
[SPEAKER_02]: stressed, exhausted, tired.
[SPEAKER_02]: He says you need to get some rest.
[SPEAKER_02]: Cisco says I'm not going to rest tonight.
[SPEAKER_02]: They hang up and he goes to look out the window again.
[SPEAKER_02]: There's a lot of staring out windows.
[SPEAKER_01]: There's a lot of pens of staring.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, Cisco.
[SPEAKER_01]: And throw it out.
[SPEAKER_01]: And out.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, everybody.
[SPEAKER_01]: Uh, I'm just going to.
[SPEAKER_01]: You can randomly look at your window right now, okay.
[SPEAKER_00]: And as an executive producer, Rob, you said to the director, we've had enough of those.
[SPEAKER_00]: The looking at the windows?
[SPEAKER_00]: Looking at the windows?
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, probably it was written to be honest, but I would probably was written, and I would have caught it there.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's just we keep doing the same bit over and over.
[SPEAKER_02]: Unless you're going to tie them together.
[SPEAKER_02]: Like, if you're going to do something like that,
[SPEAKER_02]: Repeat it then either make it mean something or correct it and don't do it.
[SPEAKER_02]: But if you're gonna have people looking out the windows a lot Then connect that Cisco's not feeling himself in a way that autos not feeling himself and they're both sort of lost and have them say something that you kind of go Oh, that the poetry of that reference makes sense to me the poetry of of them both doing the same thing But you have to kind of own it.
[SPEAKER_02]: You know
[SPEAKER_02]: or sometimes if characters say things that are, you know, or about to make a stupid choice, then have the character acknowledge.
[SPEAKER_02]: I know this is a really stupid thing I'm about to do, but I don't know what else to do, so I'm going to go jump in the lake.
[SPEAKER_02]: Whatever it is, if you acknowledge it, then you sort of take the power of the mistake away.
[SPEAKER_02]: Whereas if you don't acknowledge it, has a filmmaker writer, then you let the audience point it out as we're doing right now.
[SPEAKER_01]: Thank you.
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, it's interesting how much warf worries about Dax and about his wedding and about everything he's over here.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, he's a worry wart and instead of saying that from now on, I'm going to call people a worry warf.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm like, you're such a worry warf.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's not being a worry warf, please.
[SPEAKER_01]: And that's
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: He's a warrior warf.
[SPEAKER_02]: This goes a warrior warf.
[SPEAKER_02]: He's staring at the window when Ross comes in at more Ross.
[SPEAKER_02]: He says, uh, you need to get some sleep.
[SPEAKER_02]: I need your rest at tomorrow.
[SPEAKER_02]: We got this Bolian operation plan thing and I need your, you know, you're, I need you to be sharp.
[SPEAKER_02]: And Cisco says I'm not going to sleep even if you order me.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm not going to sleep tonight and Ross understands.
[SPEAKER_02]: But he says on the way out, he says, you know what?
[SPEAKER_02]: He better get used to this because I may be sending the define a lot of these missions and you're not gonna be leading them.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_02]: So get used to this.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, so we go to Otos Quarter's next and Otos has so many questions for the founder and she basically says, just link with me and all this will get explained.
[SPEAKER_02]: And he goes, no, I can't.
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, I want to use words and it's overwhelming.
[SPEAKER_00]: He says the link is overwhelming.
[SPEAKER_00]: I thought, you know, God bless Renee.
[SPEAKER_00]: It was the best case of of lying on camera that I had seen for a long time.
[SPEAKER_00]: He had always got that actually.
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, we know why he won't link.
[SPEAKER_00]: But the lie that he comes up with sounds so plausible and he says it's so believingly that I went.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's, there's a lesson right there that the master class in lying in the character.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, she, I mean, she keeps pushing though.
[SPEAKER_01]: Even after he lies, she keeps pushing to the point where she says, look, let's just link.
[SPEAKER_01]: This is going to happen.
[SPEAKER_01]: And that's when he says, I promise, Kira.
[SPEAKER_01]: And then the her reaction so good.
[SPEAKER_01]: And it was almost speechless.
[SPEAKER_01]: And she's like, she is a solid.
[SPEAKER_01]: This has nothing to do with her.
[SPEAKER_01]: It was very beneath me sort of kind of dialogue I felt.
[SPEAKER_02]: But this is this scene, and it's not a long scene, but it's an beautifully written scene about shapeshifters and about the link.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, the drop becoming the ocean, the ocean becoming the drop, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: So when she separates from, and she comes to visit him right now, she is the drop when she returns to the link, she is the ocean.
[SPEAKER_01]: And she, yeah, I mean, it's, it's beautiful.
[SPEAKER_01]: It is very well written.
[SPEAKER_02]: very well written.
[SPEAKER_02]: We cut out into a quarter or a rom's got a basket with a bunch of fruit in it.
[SPEAKER_02]: Here opens the door.
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, this is the second time they use high, they've had fruit baskets before, so it's very, oh yes, hiding things under the fruit.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, he's got his tools in the fruit basket and Kira covers very good when some Kardashians approach.
[SPEAKER_02]: She's like, oh, did your brother send this?
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm going to talk to him about this.
[SPEAKER_00]: So, let me ask you about those Kardashians.
[SPEAKER_00]: The last time I saw Kira and Kardashians was in Roxane Sholes.
[SPEAKER_00]: And in there, they made a point that there was always a Kardashian guard that took Kira from her morning getting up in the morning, going from her quarters to work.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I thought, are those two guys the same as the guys from Roxane Sholes?
[SPEAKER_00]: to score her to ops as they did in rocks and shovels.
[SPEAKER_02]: I didn't make it.
[SPEAKER_00]: I didn't see that.
[SPEAKER_00]: There wasn't what the bar wanted to show us, but I thought, is that otherwise why are they there?
[SPEAKER_00]: And she obviously, if she's used to having that escort, sure, needs to make sure that they understand, you know,
[SPEAKER_02]: And your explanation would have been much better.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: That makes more sense that the guards show up in the reason she's got to say, Oh, I'm mad at Quark.
[SPEAKER_02]: I need to go talk to him before I head off to work.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: That would get her away from these.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_01]: Because they're not going to score her to quarks.
[SPEAKER_01]: Right.
[SPEAKER_01]: They don't need to do that.
[SPEAKER_01]: Their job is just to take her to ops.
[SPEAKER_02]: So I think it's a great connection.
[SPEAKER_02]: I hit the button about it.
[SPEAKER_02]: But that's what it's going with that.
[SPEAKER_01]: because it just seemed coincidental that it was part of the guy's right there.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, they're sort of stopping right across the hall from her front door.
[SPEAKER_02]: And they look like they were looking at a panel or something.
[SPEAKER_00]: I got the feeling they would just smell talking.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's all.
[SPEAKER_00]: They weren't looking at it.
[SPEAKER_00]: And that's why I thought they were the escort.
[SPEAKER_00]: I thought they're just waiting for him to come out.
[SPEAKER_00]: Great.
[SPEAKER_02]: I think you're absolutely right.
[SPEAKER_02]: That was probably the intention.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, I'll say it it looked more casual than that.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think they were randomly there and I think the writers forgot that she had an escort like they could they could have made those guys stand in the tension right there and or whatever it would have been yeah, I don't think it was intended.
[SPEAKER_00]: She did you on set, Armand thankfully I was somewhere else.
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, they head down the hall, ROM and Kira and Kira reminds him exactly at 800 hours, you know, open the door, we'll turn off the alarms, and he's not worried.
[SPEAKER_02]: So he jumps inside this conduit.
[SPEAKER_02]: It has good fast crawling.
[SPEAKER_02]: I love his crawling.
[SPEAKER_01]: I was shocked because I, whenever we get inside of Jeffries tubes, it's so painful in your hands, your knees, we would ask props.
[SPEAKER_01]: I would ask, um, who's the guys that would bring you, uh, knee pads and fernies and all that, who's whatever job would be a costume.
[SPEAKER_01]: No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no
[SPEAKER_00]: If it's painful, if it's a problem, he doesn't care.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm going to do the best I can.
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh my God.
[SPEAKER_00]: He doesn't ever complain.
[SPEAKER_00]: He just does it.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm super impressed if that was him and then I was too.
[SPEAKER_01]: Because it looked like whoever was on that really fast take at the very, very end of the running away.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: The very final one where he scored at least literally a Olympic runner, a Olympic crawler.
[SPEAKER_01]: He's going to sell his two.
[SPEAKER_01]: That person.
[SPEAKER_01]: That person's body looked bigger a little bit thicker.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I remind you if Max hadn't been an actor, he would have been a professional ball player.
[SPEAKER_00]: So he's a good boy.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, okay.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, Kudos to him.
[SPEAKER_02]: I also liked Max when he got to the spot and he goes computer time.
[SPEAKER_02]: Peter says seven, seven, hundred hours, fifty eight minutes.
[SPEAKER_02]: He's got two minutes till.
[SPEAKER_02]: Right.
[SPEAKER_02]: He says two minutes to go, and then he eats the fruit.
[SPEAKER_02]: He's very confident.
[SPEAKER_02]: He's relaxed.
[SPEAKER_01]: He is.
[SPEAKER_01]: Two almonds point about the time is always 0800.
[SPEAKER_01]: When Kira says, Oto should be in his office now by now.
[SPEAKER_01]: Now remember, he's going to interrupt the censor alarms at exactly 800, 800 hours.
[SPEAKER_01]: She says that he's going to interrupt the censor alarms at exactly the time.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's it because it's always always 100 the usual time Yeah, exactly.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's what I would have gone with did you guys notice when he's at the when he's at the Anyway box didn't notice what does it say on the outside it is a 51 A 51 which is a nod towards area 51
[SPEAKER_01]: That's right.
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, in at least that's what I think, which is in in my home state of Nevada is Area 51.
[SPEAKER_01]: So a 51.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it was huge block letters.
[SPEAKER_01]: It was like, you know, I was trying to make a point there.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, We go with Kira out to the promenade.
[SPEAKER_02]: She's walking down the promenade.
[SPEAKER_02]: And this is a shot of the promenade that felt very Blade Runnery to me.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, wow.
[SPEAKER_02]: before she gets to secure why was that why did you see it no it's just it wasn't smuggish this one or not the next one she walks it she's just walking she stops looks and then it with pans over to the empty chair yeah yeah yeah and then she enters it's the next the next walk that I was particularly taken with
[SPEAKER_02]: Okay, really.
[SPEAKER_02]: Okay, promenade looked great.
[SPEAKER_02]: The colors, the something about it looked extra cool.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_02]: She walks over Odo's not there.
[SPEAKER_02]: The chair's empty calls for for Odo, no answer.
[SPEAKER_01]: Good job with a non-op playing freaked out and trying to maintain control at the same time.
[SPEAKER_01]: So.
[SPEAKER_02]: We cut into his quarters, and he is linking.
[SPEAKER_02]: He's doing the drugs.
[SPEAKER_02]: He is not paying attention to that.
[SPEAKER_01]: No, because he hasn't even turned a goo yet.
[SPEAKER_01]: And you hear her say, cure to Odo.
[SPEAKER_01]: Odo answer me, and you hear that very clearly.
[SPEAKER_01]: And he's like, nope, I'm going to go to goo.
[SPEAKER_01]: See ya.
[SPEAKER_00]: Here's a quibble I have.
[SPEAKER_00]: Just a quibble that's a tiny little one.
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't think she should have called Odo first.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think she should have called Romance.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, because he's not in the office.
[SPEAKER_00]: He's at 30 seconds.
[SPEAKER_00]: He's not going to be back.
[SPEAKER_00]: He's going to be able to get back in time.
[SPEAKER_00]: You're right.
[SPEAKER_00]: And we all know what happens if Odo doesn't do all the things.
[SPEAKER_00]: I would have called Ron first and said, get out of there.
[SPEAKER_00]: Before you open, don't open it.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, she didn't.
[SPEAKER_02]: She calls Odo.
[SPEAKER_02]: He does not answer.
[SPEAKER_02]: We come back to her.
[SPEAKER_02]: She asked computer what time it is.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's 7.59.
[SPEAKER_02]: One more minute.
[SPEAKER_02]: Demar suddenly arrives and he wants to discuss the personnel report, but she says, nope, he insists he puts his arm up and delays her just long enough that when she
[SPEAKER_02]: Push his pass.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: She gets away.
[SPEAKER_01]: Get away far enough.
[SPEAKER_00]: Get away far enough.
[SPEAKER_00]: I would have suggested to the writers in hindsight.
[SPEAKER_00]: This is really easy is that she tries to contact Rome when tomorrow shows up.
[SPEAKER_00]: That she said, Rome, and then he shows up and then she can't say anymore, even better.
[SPEAKER_00]: And you could, you could then watch her trying desperately to figure out a way.
[SPEAKER_00]: I've only got seconds left to contact Rome.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, she contacts him and says, don't open the hatch, but we cut to Rome.
[SPEAKER_02]: He's just open the hatch.
[SPEAKER_02]: He's already dead.
[SPEAKER_02]: We're really just pulling it up inside.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: And the alarm goes off.
[SPEAKER_02]: We cut out the promenade, tomorrow here's it.
[SPEAKER_02]: He heads off with some cardesting security.
[SPEAKER_02]: We cut back to the super fast crawling.
[SPEAKER_02]: Man, he was moving.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm telling you, I think that's max.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think well, I thought that was true.
[SPEAKER_01]: Max just, well, he was able to literally shut off all his pain receptors in his knees and his hands.
[SPEAKER_01]: Because that grading sucks.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's like the same grading.
[SPEAKER_02]: It was a little different.
[SPEAKER_02]: That may have been really slightly like smoother floor.
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, that's what allowed him to do it.
[SPEAKER_00]: Because the, that old grading was, yeah, it hurt.
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, you and I would have would have complained.
[SPEAKER_00]: We would have said, we need something we can't do this, or we can't go as fast.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's not in Max's psychology.
[SPEAKER_00]: I get it.
[SPEAKER_01]: I get it.
[SPEAKER_01]: And the fact that he is so athletic, very impressive.
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, to me, that crawl, that very final crawl away from camera, was a sprint.
[SPEAKER_01]: That was a hundred-yard dash.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I've never seen a human being move that fast in a second.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's true.
[SPEAKER_01]: In any star trick, maybe it was visual effects.
[SPEAKER_01]: He'd know, but it's still in every film.
[SPEAKER_01]: Every episode of Truck Up Ever seen no one can go that fast.
[SPEAKER_01]: And Max was in a Jefferson.
[SPEAKER_01]: Max was amazing.
[SPEAKER_00]: He's literally an expert.
[SPEAKER_00]: It was all I would have taken was filibar to say to Max.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's fascinating.
[SPEAKER_00]: Dude goes fast as you can.
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: And Max would have done that.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, it's faster than any other other actor in the history of Star Trek.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm going to say right there.
[SPEAKER_01]: So kudos to Max.
[SPEAKER_02]: All right.
[SPEAKER_02]: We have we have established that Max is fast.
[SPEAKER_02]: I think that there is no question.
[SPEAKER_02]: If anyone listening to this podcast does not know one thing is one thing.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yes, yes, it's that Max.
[SPEAKER_02]: is a fast crawler.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, but the other thing you must take away is that tomorrow and can not rhyme.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's from Max.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's from cork.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_02]: Ron pumps out into the hallway.
[SPEAKER_02]: Mark catches him.
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, well, what do we have here?
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh boy, rums and drop.
[SPEAKER_02]: We have a captain's log.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: The finance returned after a successful attack on the Dominion sense array.
[SPEAKER_02]: Uh, Admiral Ross and I have recommended the Commander DAX and the entire defined crew be cited for exceptional performance of their duties.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, excuse me.
[SPEAKER_00]: I know it was a time issue.
[SPEAKER_00]: I know, but the fact that we've been talking about this.
[SPEAKER_00]: This battle that we never felt this that we never saw.
[SPEAKER_00]: We should have been able to see some of that.
[SPEAKER_02]: Or have them, you know, have Cisco keep asking, have we heard anything?
[SPEAKER_02]: Have we heard anything?
[SPEAKER_02]: Nope, they're out of touch.
[SPEAKER_02]: We can't.
[SPEAKER_02]: We can't reach them until they get back into this sector or something.
[SPEAKER_02]: Something that tells the audience, you're going to experience the same anticipation that Cisco has got.
[SPEAKER_02]: right now we're going to see this battle because they're so remote and on their own.
[SPEAKER_02]: Like you could have woven that in as opposed to just skipping it.
[SPEAKER_00]: We've been led.
[SPEAKER_00]: This is an important mission.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_00]: And then we'd never see it.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, we don't really even hear updates or any there's no version of kind of the battle being part of our story.
[SPEAKER_02]: It just sort of, yeah, jump ahead and time.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: So, you know, congratulations all around, uh, the, the Admiral shows up as well.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, Brian comes in with a scuba tank, uh, power cell, phaser power cell, uh, as well and says, here we go.
[SPEAKER_01]: And so it's nice to kind of book ends with the beginning of the episode of this ceremony of this, um, sort of, here's our momentum from this last battle.
[SPEAKER_01]: The used power cell was placed up against the
[SPEAKER_02]: Did you see Bashir asking Dax to tell Ensen Kirby?
[SPEAKER_02]: But I took over the con when Hodge was injured.
[SPEAKER_02]: She doesn't believe me.
[SPEAKER_02]: He's trying to impress a girl.
[SPEAKER_01]: I know.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's a random.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's so bizarre.
[SPEAKER_00]: It was a very bizarre.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I was like, what is what the hell are they doing with with the Bashar?
[SPEAKER_00]: Why is he they just wanted to give us a said something?
[SPEAKER_01]: Do you know what is residual scene?
[SPEAKER_01]: Is that what we had another scene?
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know the scene, but what I don't understand is why Garrett isn't there.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, excuse me.
[SPEAKER_01]: You're right.
[SPEAKER_01]: He was there before.
[SPEAKER_01]: Where is he now?
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, well, I can understand him not going on this mission.
[SPEAKER_00]: I can understand that.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, but if you haven't been successful, he should be invited to the to the party that celebrates.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, my.
[SPEAKER_00]: Is there his friends?
[SPEAKER_00]: Definitely.
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, that's the little.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and underside there.
[SPEAKER_02]: We cut out to a corridor where Kira is storming down.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's the shot I like.
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, that's the shot that frees down way and go.
[SPEAKER_00]: Talk about being, I don't know.
[SPEAKER_01]: The camera man must have been on the doll in a prone position in the coma and shooting up at us.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it was, it was a great shot.
[SPEAKER_01]: It was almost something like coming out of the shining or something.
[SPEAKER_01]: It was definitely a good shot.
[SPEAKER_01]: It was really mad.
[SPEAKER_02]: And then she bangs on the door, not one thing either.
[SPEAKER_01]: Whatever the controls.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: Bang, ding, hit it.
[SPEAKER_02]: And then door opens and she comes in and I wrote, I am on team Kira with this one.
[SPEAKER_02]: He is so calm.
[SPEAKER_02]: I wrote, he seems like a psychopath.
[SPEAKER_02]: He's so calm.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm going to go with yoga teacher.
[SPEAKER_01]: So he's you're getting it.
[SPEAKER_00]: He's so zen I will go one step for the further ready for this.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I think he's post-quate.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, oh You are whoa.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yes, yes, I can It's all those things.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yes, it's drugs.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's yoga What he can with a little sex involved.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's like there's a recipe for that look
[SPEAKER_01]: It is, yeah, because when she, after, after Kira and he have it out, Kira is so mad, and Essentially he says, you know, you just don't get it because you're a solid and she leaves and that's when female Chainsling, Salam Agents, slinks out of the, but the side room wherever this she came out of and she's like, are you upset by that?
[SPEAKER_02]: And he's like, no, actually, I'm not
[SPEAKER_02]: lover.
[SPEAKER_01]: The only word that's buzzing.
[SPEAKER_01]: Lava, lady, Lava.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, he is weird.
[SPEAKER_02]: And yes, post-coital and episode ends like that.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's just like because you're left with this, huh?
[SPEAKER_00]: You're like, what the heck?
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and how is exactly?
[SPEAKER_00]: And it's beautiful the way shouting me goes, huh?
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: I love that.
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: I love that.
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: But is it for the I one of us what it was I love it good call there I don't know how Kira and Otto come back from this like I know how she will forgive him I will see but I'm so excited to find out what goes on in this soap opera, you know for these two characters
[SPEAKER_01]: What is our theme slash lesson of this episode?
[SPEAKER_01]: Arm it?
[SPEAKER_00]: What are you going to say?
[SPEAKER_00]: Alliances in war are untrustworthy and difficult to maintain.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's one theme.
[SPEAKER_00]: Or, this is a quote from the episode.
[SPEAKER_00]: You don't know what you are capable of becoming.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I like that.
[SPEAKER_01]: Robby, what's your theme lesson moral?
[SPEAKER_02]: My lesson, my deep thoughts about this are don't link ever, just say no to linking.
[SPEAKER_01]: So let's just say now the linking is a drug is what you're saying.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, I got it, I got it, I don't like don't do links, let's have a shirt, do you remember those?
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, no, but during the days of wham, they had those shirts like, you know, just a huge block of justice.
[SPEAKER_01]: do it, like a top of each other, he's like, don't link ever in big block letters as the shirt.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's probably less than my theme slash lesson.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's more about Cisco and his having to let go of command of the defiant.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I say, learn to embrace change and learn to let go.
[SPEAKER_01]: That was the lessons.
[SPEAKER_01]: Very good lesson for everyone.
[SPEAKER_00]: Learn to embrace change.
[SPEAKER_01]: All right.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, Rob, who's our Patreon poll winner for theme slash less and slash more of this episode?
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, that is submitted by Katie McCarty, and that is personal desires, whether you recognize them or not, can exert too much influence over your duties.
[SPEAKER_01]: Love you.
[SPEAKER_02]: What?
[SPEAKER_02]: Duties.
[SPEAKER_02]: I gave it to you.
[SPEAKER_01]: You made the tea on there.
[SPEAKER_01]: The honorable mention for the backlash let's us last more of this episode as submitted by Martin Doplez never underestimate a guy with a wrench, a dream, and absolutely no self preservation instincts.
[UNKNOWN]: What?
[SPEAKER_02]: That's wrong.
[SPEAKER_02]: Don't
[SPEAKER_01]: No self-preservation.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh my God.
[SPEAKER_01]: Or never, never underestimate a person who can traverse a Jeffrey's tube faster than any other human being or alien.
[SPEAKER_01]: He can outrun all of us.
[SPEAKER_01]: He can.
[SPEAKER_01]: This is the end of our episode.
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