[UNKNOWN]: The Survivor Specialists are back and once again, I am joined by West from once upon an island.
[UNKNOWN]: As we continue discussing winning survivor today, caramowing to worlds apart.
[UNKNOWN]: That means we are talking about Cochrane, Tyson Tony 1.0, Natalie Anderson, and Mike Holloway, a good stretch of winners here.
[UNKNOWN]: I'm excited to discuss them.
[UNKNOWN]: I was just telling West before we went live.
[UNKNOWN]: None of these five have come up in the first 20 names of our winner rankings thus far.
[UNKNOWN]: So I'm not able to announce where we have them yet.
[UNKNOWN]: I know Wes, you will obviously get into some of that as we go through the podcast.
[UNKNOWN]: But yeah, this is a good stretch.
[UNKNOWN]: And I think that kind of sums it up.
[UNKNOWN]: So I'm excited to talk about all these winners.
[UNKNOWN]: We have two returning player winners to start it off with, which is always interesting.
[UNKNOWN]: What do you do with returning player winners?
[UNKNOWN]: You know, are these the blue prints for winning for half-returning player seasons to win the game with a little bit more competitive of cast.
[UNKNOWN]: I go there, I guess.
[UNKNOWN]: Cochrane's cast wasn't very competitive, but Tyson's was.
[UNKNOWN]: Um, I don't know, I'm excited to dive into this.
[UNKNOWN]: How are you doing?
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, I'm looking forward to this group.
[UNKNOWN]: I think this interesting group has one of my favorite winners in it.
[UNKNOWN]: Um, and then I know, Phil, we might as well tell everyone, we're not doing this next week because we're doing this tomorrow morning.
[UNKNOWN]: Mm-hm.
[UNKNOWN]: So we're doing it.
[UNKNOWN]: We were like, should we record an advance and no, screw it.
[UNKNOWN]: We're doing it live.
[UNKNOWN]: We're doing this live tomorrow.
[UNKNOWN]: It's a join us tomorrow for what?
[UNKNOWN]: Can't bode you through.
[UNKNOWN]: Benj Reberg, an HVHVH, what a terrible idea.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, heroes versus healers versus hustlers, don't you?
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, we're covering 10 winners today in tomorrow.
[UNKNOWN]: So, noon and noon, noon and Easter and time tomorrow.
[UNKNOWN]: Everybody is wondering, and then there won't be an episode next week.
[UNKNOWN]: And we'll have one the week after on the 23rd.
[UNKNOWN]: But yeah, I mean, so we're really going to be going through an era where survivor was going through a massive evolution too.
[UNKNOWN]: I think that's what's fun about doing these on back to back days is,
[UNKNOWN]: You know, across these 10 seasons, survivors coming out of the, the dull drones of the darkest era of survivor, the four worst seasons, maybe with the exception of once we get into new era, but who knows, we'll get there when we get there.
[UNKNOWN]: But, you know, 21 to 24 were disaster, 25 kind of brings us back up to life a little bit, and then 26 through 30 and then 31 through 35 is really when the show is trying to find itself again, and figure out what it actually wants to be.
[UNKNOWN]: And there's really nothing better than starting this off by just talking about fans versus favorites too, and one of the main reasons why, and we'll get to this with blood versus water as well, a lot of times thing lightning doesn't strike twice and survivor tried to do fans versus favorites a second time.
[UNKNOWN]: Thinking this would be really popular.
[UNKNOWN]: It was really popular the first time and unfortunately They forgot that they were supposed to actually cast a full tribe of favorites and a full tribe of fans And so that makes for caramona be a very unique season.
[UNKNOWN]: It's one that I actually enjoy a little bit more than some others I remember I didn't have it ranked quite as low as I thought I would on this recent rewatch But it is such a tough season because when you're sitting there and you're watching the favorites tribe You're like, okay, who are the actual favorites here?
[UNKNOWN]: Malcolm is a favorite.
[UNKNOWN]: Cochrane is a favorite.
[UNKNOWN]: Eric Reichenbach is a favorite
[UNKNOWN]: Maybe Corinne, but she was so vile.
[UNKNOWN]: I don't know if she was actually a favorite beyond that.
[UNKNOWN]: You're like Who are these people and then you look at the fans tribe and 90% of them have never watched Survivor before so what did the interesting way to start and what a different type of winning game Cochranet to have here than poverty did back in the first verse
[UNKNOWN]: So since we have a running trend of talking about, you know, what extra stuff's on the DVD?
[UNKNOWN]: This is one of those where on the DVD for Carammo and there's an interview with Carammo, where she's like, I'm not a fan favorite.
[UNKNOWN]: I'm a producer, favorite, right?
[UNKNOWN]: And that's why I'm on the season.
[UNKNOWN]: I'm like, yep, that's it, because it's definitely not.
[UNKNOWN]: She's the only one from what?
[UNKNOWN]: Pretty, Nicaragua, pre-21, that's on the season.
[UNKNOWN]: It's like a rock and rock, too, I like it.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, almost for eight years sometimes.
[UNKNOWN]: Do you know what happened to Eric, by the way, did you ever, I don't mean to interrupt your thought, but do you know why Eric was pulled from the game?
[UNKNOWN]: This season?
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: Shoot, I forgot, the thing is I've covered it like multiple times, but I've covered some of things that it goes in one year out the other.
[UNKNOWN]: Can you remind me?
[UNKNOWN]: He had an allergic reaction to an antibiotic they put him on for like a cut.
[UNKNOWN]: He had.
[UNKNOWN]: And so they they play it off like his blood pressure just dropped in whatever then they never mentioned it again and he was really mad that they never mentioned it at the finale at the reunion, but that's why he ended up getting pulled out of the game was because he had an allergic reaction to a medication they put him on while he was out there sorry that I just feel like he's always something that gets missed in this community.
[UNKNOWN]: No, that's completely, that's completely fair.
[UNKNOWN]: I know you made a video about it a few years ago, and I've used that in a couple of videos.
[UNKNOWN]: I made a video about him on both seasons.
[UNKNOWN]: He was on an include of that.
[UNKNOWN]: So thanks for reminding me.
[UNKNOWN]: This season, I think it's a tale of two seasons.
[UNKNOWN]: This is the first time that you really did a sequel that I remember.
[UNKNOWN]: I think this is the first time it is sequel, because we're going to have another sequel later with Bloodverse War, too.
[UNKNOWN]: But it's a very telling of the Jeff Cropes to Era,
[UNKNOWN]: of him taking over his executive cruisers, we've had, this is our fourth returning season with some sort of attorneys, Sin, Nicaragua.
[UNKNOWN]: So, 20, went through 26, this is our fourth time we've had attorneys.
[UNKNOWN]: It's an overload at this point, but they're going to do it again next season with 27, and they're finally going to get it right.
[UNKNOWN]: Um, but it's it's always down to casting in this season.
[UNKNOWN]: The fans were more obviously not fans than they were the first time around and the favorites are so obviously not favorites.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: Like we were the first time around like you got are you a couple people for each of them were like are those fans are those favorites.
[UNKNOWN]: This time it's like yeah, there's like what like two favorites here Malcolm and Eric I guess you could say were favorites.
[UNKNOWN]: I think Cochrome was a favorite too.
[UNKNOWN]: I know on the online community.
[UNKNOWN]: He's a massive favorite outside of the online community.
[UNKNOWN]: Okay.
[UNKNOWN]: I'm trying to think about this.
[UNKNOWN]: They were on this time frame.
[UNKNOWN]: Looking up.
[UNKNOWN]: People were talking about the time.
[UNKNOWN]: I know Eric and Malcolm.
[UNKNOWN]: And I'm like, Don, no, Philip.
[UNKNOWN]: No, Philip.
[UNKNOWN]: I know some people love Philip, but he's very
[UNKNOWN]: much not liked in general.
[UNKNOWN]: Who else we got here, Francesca certainly not and they were just this just showed what the shoulders of the women during that era like they needed a young woman who was actually willing to play the game and they were doing such a dreadful job of casting young women during this era and Andrew was the only one who played.
[UNKNOWN]: I like Brenda on Nicaragua because I like how villainous she was, but then this season she decided she's going to be good and they're not interested in telling that story until she has her moment of dawn.
[UNKNOWN]: I guess like nine episodes they don't care that Brenda's turn to turn to corner and is now being good and being hero.
[UNKNOWN]: Speaking of fun facts with this, her confessional count on this season is truly remarkable because then I think she ends up finishing third in like fan favorite voting or something absurd like that.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, she's never like we agree with you friend to go out and go out and go at dawn.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, and I always say I don't think that there's any, like, you know, is it nasty?
[UNKNOWN]: Sure, but I'm all about survivor being nasty.
[UNKNOWN]: I think there's certain lines you can't cross.
[UNKNOWN]: I think Farner proves that, you know, a couple seasons later.
[UNKNOWN]: But in this instance, like, I don't really think that, you know, whatever.
[UNKNOWN]: This is your moment, go for it.
[UNKNOWN]: I don't care.
[UNKNOWN]: Um, I can't find it.
[UNKNOWN]: I normally I can pull up the, uh,
[UNKNOWN]: The confessional can't very quickly over some reason I'm having a hard time right now, but anyway, I think it's something along lines of eight or nine episodes in a row where she has zero confessional's and then I wasn't she's like pops up with a few but she is she's invisible.
[UNKNOWN]: And also, I think it's very telling that Jeff probes at three unions like Dawn or you're going to apologize the Brenda and it's like just a one way street like that's the perception is the perception so ours pushing and I'm guessing it's where the fans were standing so I know this series we're here to talk about the winners though I just love talking about the seasons in general so I've seen some people say
[UNKNOWN]: Oh, we should talk more about the winners.
[UNKNOWN]: We're definitely going to do that.
[UNKNOWN]: But I do so much talk about the seasons as well, but I love, but yes, John Cochran comes this season with a buddy and dawn.
[UNKNOWN]: And not everybody has that.
[UNKNOWN]: Philip is not buddies with Andrea, or Francesca Francesca is not buddies with Andrea.
[UNKNOWN]: You know, like they're all like separate people from the same season, friend is by yourself.
[UNKNOWN]: Eric's by himself, Malcolm's by himself, Karin's by herself.
[UNKNOWN]: So, like, Kalkran came in with an advantage, having somebody who actually he worked with, and I know he burned Dawn at the end, when South Pacific.
[UNKNOWN]: But like, I don't know, she didn't take it as hard as so many others.
[UNKNOWN]: Like, it's not like he came into the season with Ozzy.
[UNKNOWN]: Like, okay, they're not working together.
[UNKNOWN]: But this was with Dawn, who, yeah, she was willing to work with them.
[UNKNOWN]: Because you always look at these relationships and how they're built in and you look, you know, this happens on a lot of the seasons, here's where civilians is another example, like Tom and Stephanie are kind of ostracized right off the bat just because They don't know these other players who have all played together so many times and you look at it and you say, oh, there's three people from Redemption Island.
[UNKNOWN]: none of them work together.
[UNKNOWN]: Andrea and Francesca did work together, Francesca and Phil have certainly didn't work together, Francesca and Andrea didn't work together.
[UNKNOWN]: So you have three people, but again, like you're saying, they're not friends with each other.
[UNKNOWN]: Malcolm's on an island, Eric's on an island, and then you have Corrin on an island, and then you have three people from South Pacific, and honestly, something that gets slept down pretty big going into the season is not just dawn,
[UNKNOWN]: Cochrane also has his buddy in brand it because if you remember, he's in brand really stands up for Cochrane big time in South Pacific when the rest of his tribe is kind of going at him and Brandon probably one of the only normal and same things Brandon does in his two seasons on the show, but he really does go to bat for Cochrane saying like you all got to back off.
[UNKNOWN]: But the one thing I will say is Cochrane's relationships pre-game don't actually play into this season as much as you would think they do.
[UNKNOWN]: Cochrane plays a lot more of this season in the background than I remembered.
[UNKNOWN]: I just rewatched this not too long ago and I was genuinely surprised at how he was able to take control without ever having to be so outwardly in control because some of the personalities on this season were just absurd and he had to throw it all the way through.
[UNKNOWN]: I think that Cochrane played it exactly right in a way that not people, people generally don't like, but this is how returning seasons are won so consistently.
[UNKNOWN]: You just stand back, let everybody go after each other, and then you step in at the end.
[UNKNOWN]: Show people that they like you make a couple moves and win the game, and that's what Conqueror did It we just saw with Aubrey.
[UNKNOWN]: We see it with so many other returning winners I think the only exception to this rule really is Tony Vlaka someone is a war.
[UNKNOWN]: I just rewatch that recently Because I'm making a video about his win there are re-making it because YouTube took down the original fill I just love that it was up for five six years YouTube took it down so
[UNKNOWN]: They can't concentrate on like a they sent an email to everybody saying we understand that certain things are coming down for copyright infringement that aren't copyright infringement.
[UNKNOWN]: I'm like What do you mean you understand that
[UNKNOWN]: You don't understand if you're doing it.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, they took down 15 plus videos on my channel, most of the story videos.
[UNKNOWN]: So I'm going to fix most of them.
[UNKNOWN]: Some of them, I just got a completely remake because it's from a time when I don't have the original files anymore, unfortunately.
[UNKNOWN]: So Tony's one of them, or he watched it.
[UNKNOWN]: Tony, like, is literally saying we have to go at these hyenas, it's what he calls them.
[UNKNOWN]: These people who sit on sides, we heard during 50.
[UNKNOWN]: You know, they were talking about getting out people in the middle.
[UNKNOWN]: It's the same idea just different names for it.
[UNKNOWN]: So the lions can go to the end.
[UNKNOWN]: Well, really the only time it happens in return, he sees in terms of lions going the end of winning is Tony.
[UNKNOWN]: I'm like, thinking through like Amber was not a lion.
[UNKNOWN]: She was a hyena.
[UNKNOWN]: Sandra, hyena, poverty.
[UNKNOWN]: She was a hyena going into that one hundred percent.
[UNKNOWN]: She became a lion at the end, but even then, she was not the most vicious of her group, but she did what's part of Vistic Group.
[UNKNOWN]: Hyena becomes becoming a lion and trying to go out of the return, he sees and's happened up to this point.
[UNKNOWN]: I think Caramolans, next one after here of Versus Villains, Cochrane's hyena, blood versus water, Tyson's hyena, he's not a lion.
[UNKNOWN]: I know that he's loved, but he's not a lion.
[UNKNOWN]: Cambodia, Jeremy, Zahaina, a little bit of a, I a little bit of a line in San Juan del Serra, but not in Cambodia, is not Serra, La Cena, Haina, yeah, you know, just like the, speaks for themselves when it's like, most of the time it is about staying under the radar.
[UNKNOWN]: So the bigger names, the bigger egos can attack each other and you just let it happen, and Cocker did a year.
[UNKNOWN]: And we got to mention, perfect game.
[UNKNOWN]: Only other player besides JT to accomplish this without needing any idols or anything.
[UNKNOWN]: Because Jeremy,
[UNKNOWN]: accomplishes it if you don't if it's idle counts like some people don't count the idle if you think it's idle where you negates the only three votes against them counts then there you go Jeremy's also perfect winner but some people don't count it so yeah I still say like Jeremy got votes Jeremy played an idle successfully to negate those votes but it's like they're still votes that were cast for Jeremy on that season where as that never happens with Cochrane and you know I think that's also where people just think
[UNKNOWN]: Man, he didn't though.
[UNKNOWN]: Like he had to really give and take a lot on this season, dealing with Brandon, dealing with Frances.
[UNKNOWN]: The Francesca boot at the beginning was another example of that.
[UNKNOWN]: When Matt gets voted out at final, whatever episode that is, when Matt goes and it's Matt,
[UNKNOWN]: uh, Cochrane Don, Philip Michael Corrine.
[UNKNOWN]: I'm sorry.
[UNKNOWN]: I'm looking at the wrong thing.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: It's Philip Michael Corrine, Julia Matt Don and Cochrane, and Cochrane kind of starts to feel that Corrine is trying to build up a little bit of an army of her and some of these other outside, you know, fan people.
[UNKNOWN]: And he kind of pushes back against that.
[UNKNOWN]: And that's what ultimately
[UNKNOWN]: And it's really when the game just kind of kicks in the gear from there and and Cochrane just really has it in control from there.
[UNKNOWN]: But he doesn't really great job of just managing his threat level and just letting other people pop up throughout where it's like, oh, Andrew, I might be a bigger threat than Cochrane.
[UNKNOWN]: She's never a bigger threat than Cochrane.
[UNKNOWN]: But he's able to ride an idol that way.
[UNKNOWN]: She had an idol.
[UNKNOWN]: I guess, you know, it really for me, Phil.
[UNKNOWN]: It's almost like when Philip goes because Cochrane is more than willing to let Philip
[UNKNOWN]: be the leader, and be the face of their alliance.
[UNKNOWN]: And that was fine.
[UNKNOWN]: And even when the three amigos do their super two idol play to get out, fill up, which they, it's been discussed.
[UNKNOWN]: They misplayed that they could and that a lot better.
[UNKNOWN]: Just less information given out basically.
[UNKNOWN]: Cockroach like that's fine.
[UNKNOWN]: Okay, they're gonna spill it fine.
[UNKNOWN]: I can't even do that some point and just doesn't it doesn't deter his game at all Nothing really ever deterres his game.
[UNKNOWN]: No way of retarget him.
[UNKNOWN]: I think he learned a lot from South Pacific Cockroach South Pacific Was he was way more confident.
[UNKNOWN]: I know he says is paranoia is why he won and I'm sure it helped him like be honest toes, but who's way more confident in here cool calm and collected even though he's only like a year later from South Pacific
[UNKNOWN]: And I really have to push back against this Darrell Seymour saying, Cochrane had no threat level to start with, unlike other players.
[UNKNOWN]: That is just to me that's completely false.
[UNKNOWN]: I think Cochrane, whether you think he's the biggest target or not, whether he was a good player in South Pacific, I think people viewed him as a good player.
[UNKNOWN]: And as somebody who really understood the game, when you look at the rest of that tribe, Francesca wasn't a threat, Brandon wasn't a threat.
[UNKNOWN]: Karin was a Philip wasn't a threat.
[UNKNOWN]: Andry is really not a threat.
[UNKNOWN]: God, maybe Brenda was being seen as a threat.
[UNKNOWN]: Malcolm, they hadn't seen play, so they don't know.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: I think I'm all a threat in our mind.
[UNKNOWN]: I mean.
[UNKNOWN]: You could say Malcolm, maybe.
[UNKNOWN]: But they're not airspin a joke ever since this first season.
[UNKNOWN]: And yeah, not even fair.
[UNKNOWN]: Like Eric could have won the season.
[UNKNOWN]: He's a joke because of the survivor won't shut up about it.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, not even this season.
[UNKNOWN]: They're not interested in Eric until they can be like, oh, Eric gave Andrew the Immunity Idol.
[UNKNOWN]: Cockrots like, how do you learn nothing?
[UNKNOWN]: And it's like,
[UNKNOWN]: It's actually not a bad play by Eric.
[UNKNOWN]: I always say that Eric is because he gave up the necklace.
[UNKNOWN]: People just want to trash Eric.
[UNKNOWN]: Eric finishes fifth twice once because he gets pulled from the game.
[UNKNOWN]: Eric's probably going to final three on both seasons.
[UNKNOWN]: If he doesn't give up his necklace and if he doesn't get mad, if he doesn't get mad, it back.
[UNKNOWN]: Does he win either of those seasons?
[UNKNOWN]: Maybe.
[UNKNOWN]: Like, I don't know because they really weren't interested in telling his story the second time.
[UNKNOWN]: He says he would have had to, you know, have a really big moment at the final travel council to figure out what was going on.
[UNKNOWN]: But, you know, I just feel like
[UNKNOWN]: He plays a much better game than people give him credit for.
[UNKNOWN]: I always rank him, you know, it, whenever it's like, hey, do a top hundred survivor players, I always say Eric needs to be in there and people kind of laugh at me.
[UNKNOWN]: I'm like, no, like, he had one blunder, but he was in a winning position twice.
[UNKNOWN]: And he was always in the middle on this season, which was a good thing, but people just didn't view him as much of a threat.
[UNKNOWN]: But yeah, I know I think Cochran absolutely was some, if you were to say to me,
[UNKNOWN]: Out of the 10 returning players, Cochrane's easily top four if not top three, most threatening because nobody saw Malcolm Place and nobody cared.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, my, the unknown factor of Malcolm was enough for people to not super trust him, but I don't yeah, it's just, this season is a, a season full of non fans versus mostly non favorites.
[UNKNOWN]: It's a very interesting season.
[UNKNOWN]: It's tail to season the first half's just a chaotic dramatic mess, not much good gameplay in the first half at all, mostly just drama with Brandon and fill up.
[UNKNOWN]: And even in secret scenes, Phil, from Karimoff, you've seen these, but there's one where
[UNKNOWN]: Brandon's in the water with Eric and he's like he's like Eric.
[UNKNOWN]: He's like if they don't do we say We should just blow up the whole camp and burn it all down He's already like predicting what he's going to do.
[UNKNOWN]: This is secret scene.
[UNKNOWN]: I'm like this should have been left in the show But maybe he would made the show look bad because they knew it was coming like they did If you this is a secret scene, I mean often was he talking about it And Eric's just laughing because Eric doesn't think it's like why would he think this?
[UNKNOWN]: Why would he think that's serious?
[UNKNOWN]: Um, but no, Brandon was that serious.
[UNKNOWN]: I don't know how Brandon passed psych both times.
[UNKNOWN]: Oh, yeah, and then the very first there's a secret scene from the first episode.
[UNKNOWN]: That was from episode five.
[UNKNOWN]: There's a secret scene from the first episode of Brandon.
[UNKNOWN]: It gives Cocca and a hug, I think, and they're like, and Cocca's like, uh, is this okay, hug or you mad at me?
[UNKNOWN]: It's like he's already on edge about Brandon, you know, he knows.
[UNKNOWN]: got to be on edge of the brand and you can't fully trust the man, which goes back to my thought that I don't think he was winning South Pacific year, which is the end.
[UNKNOWN]: Despite what Jim said, I know we talked about that last time.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: I don't put a lot of, you know, fact in that statement, because, yeah, they might have said that, no, we're going to get back at them.
[UNKNOWN]: Like, if Jim wants to be a bitter juror, Jim can be a bitter juror, and I'm sure Keith and Whitney would have been bitter, but I don't think everybody else would have been bitter.
[UNKNOWN]: You know, to that extent, I don't think
[UNKNOWN]: Brandon who was crazy.
[UNKNOWN]: So I, um, I just, again, I just go back to with Cochrane on this season.
[UNKNOWN]: I remember at the time when this was airing live, a lot of people just felt like, you know, it's not that impressive.
[UNKNOWN]: They put them on with this friends, whatever.
[UNKNOWN]: I think like, Cochrane, Cochrane works.
[UNKNOWN]: That's all, that's all I'm going to say, Cochrane definitely works throughout this season and has to make things happen.
[UNKNOWN]: And he builds real alliances.
[UNKNOWN]: But he's always kind of in control without being overly controlling and it's kind of, it is similar to like, poverty has her closer.
[UNKNOWN]: It's poverty serene Amanda who are in control without ever feeling like they're being controlling until the very end of that game.
[UNKNOWN]: In this one, it is more of like Cochrane and Don, but Don always feels like she's just following Cochrane around it's not really doing a text on as a final tribal.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, as shown by most people were siding with Brenda again and like, I mean, Brenda, so this is what's crazy.
[UNKNOWN]: I found it finally.
[UNKNOWN]: Brenda had one confessional in the premiere and did not have another confessional until episode number 10.
[UNKNOWN]: and 10 is the one where her teeth fall into that pond.
[UNKNOWN]: And she gets one confessional, Brenda ends up ending with 13 on the season, but she literally has two after 10 episodes.
[UNKNOWN]: Great, yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: Because she ends up having that moment with her dad that makes Jeff actually tear up.
[UNKNOWN]: So it's like her stories and kick off self-sattention.
[UNKNOWN]: So I interested in her being a hero, they're interested in the drama.
[UNKNOWN]: Fair enough, Brenda is like, there's a secret scene of cocking going, Brenda just sits by the rocks and just kind of stares at them all day.
[UNKNOWN]: If true, that's an insane strategy.
[UNKNOWN]: Like to stay out of the way, people forget you exist.
[UNKNOWN]: I think that's the strategy, which is just crazy.
[UNKNOWN]: So, but, Packard's best move this season fell.
[UNKNOWN]: I personally think his best move is, I know file tribal, like it was already in his direction, but he did nothing wrong.
[UNKNOWN]: And he answered everybody's questions exactly as needed.
[UNKNOWN]: Saying that I was in better than any of you.
[UNKNOWN]: I just had better timing.
[UNKNOWN]: Like, my time is just better.
[UNKNOWN]: That's it.
[UNKNOWN]: I'm not better than any of you.
[UNKNOWN]: And of course, telling people who'll drink with them at the bar or whatever, like, cock, or what would do it?
[UNKNOWN]: Well, like, like, I don't know if you did, but like, Cocker would do that.
[UNKNOWN]: I got to find the hard to believe, but it's what they wanted to hear.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, and for me, it's a great final travel performance.
[UNKNOWN]: I still think it's the current move going after one of the favorites who you know is not going to work with you.
[UNKNOWN]: And you know is kind of like building up this army where if she was able to get her way there and get Sherry out of the game, she really did have Michael.
[UNKNOWN]: She had Malcolm, she had Eddie, she had Reynolds and current plays a much better game on this season than people gave her credit for.
[UNKNOWN]: She's covering the image.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, Cochrane really sniffing that out at 12 was the moment where I was like, okay, great now.
[UNKNOWN]: There's no way that people can overcome us and I think another thing that Cochrane doesn't get enough credit for it just putting up with fill up for as long as we need it to is a very good, you know, game move that's very solid people to Boston Rob.
[UNKNOWN]: You just got a pope of fill up.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, I'm sorry.
[UNKNOWN]: What's his worst move, Phil.
[UNKNOWN]: Uh, if I was, you know, when I look at his game, I think his worst move, you know, I don't know, so it's weird because he doesn't go to many tribal councils in the pre-merge and then when he does go, it's just like, okay, we're going to get rid of Matt.
[UNKNOWN]: I'm going to get rid of Julia like, and that just seems very, very straightforward.
[UNKNOWN]: I don't know if he has like a worst move.
[UNKNOWN]: And this was an era where survivor was protecting their winners a little bit.
[UNKNOWN]: And survivor was definitely not showing as many blemishes for the people who are going to be winning the game.
[UNKNOWN]: I think that's why after what happened with Fabio and then Sophie was hitting, and then it was like, okay, we're gonna really start to show more of our winners.
[UNKNOWN]: Natalie Sandra, like there was that stretch there.
[UNKNOWN]: We're like four out of five or four to six winners.
[UNKNOWN]: Darryl Seymour, man, the hate for Cochrane is absolutely absurd.
[UNKNOWN]: Like, I don't know what you want from us.
[UNKNOWN]: Cochrane can do anything so he can't have a worse move.
[UNKNOWN]: Okay, cool.
[UNKNOWN]: That's what you think.
[UNKNOWN]: I don't know what you want from us.
[UNKNOWN]: But it's like, I just think that Cochrane, you know, he doesn't have a worse move because everything went the way he wanted it to the whole season.
[UNKNOWN]: The only time that it didn't go his way was when Philip goes home.
[UNKNOWN]: But he's okay with losing Philip.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, and the three of me was just misplayed that entire play.
[UNKNOWN]: Cochrane, I mean, the number reflects, it's like when we talk about JT, the number just reflects the game, like JT played a false game.
[UNKNOWN]: I basically agree.
[UNKNOWN]: It wasn't much the way it'd done moves by J.T.
[UNKNOWN]: Same with Cochrane.
[UNKNOWN]: There's not much the way it'd done moves.
[UNKNOWN]: Cochrane also Jeff is falling over Cochrane this season.
[UNKNOWN]: Just in love with the guy, he gets three of the unities and I think two were because he had advantages.
[UNKNOWN]: So it's like he has three wins, but
[UNKNOWN]: One was eating food, the other one was he had the advantage of holding the rope because he got to be like two knots out of everybody else.
[UNKNOWN]: And then the other one was the one where he makes the fire puzzle, but he didn't have to untie ropes or something.
[UNKNOWN]: I don't know, which I do think that he won that advantage by winning our challenge.
[UNKNOWN]: I guess to be fair.
[UNKNOWN]: But again, it's like, it's not like he was like, they were like, cockroach in the immunity beast in the opening of the finale.
[UNKNOWN]: And I'm like, he is.
[UNKNOWN]: And then the advertising this, this season fell.
[UNKNOWN]: I found this one's just on YouTube where it's like, for the finale goes, um, how's it go?
[UNKNOWN]: It's talk about the file four.
[UNKNOWN]: And it says, who was in the file four, sorry.
[UNKNOWN]: Well, it's going to the file five.
[UNKNOWN]: Because Eric doesn't get metivect to the premier.
[UNKNOWN]: So it's Eddie Eric Sherry, John and Cochrane.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, it goes.
[UNKNOWN]: I forget.
[UNKNOWN]: I'm so sorry.
[UNKNOWN]: It was very sexist against the women, though.
[UNKNOWN]: It was like basically presented the men and then it said, oh, is it brains, brawn, sherry and dawn or something like that?
[UNKNOWN]: And like it showed.
[UNKNOWN]: Cockroaches, brains, Eddie has brawn and then so sherry and dawn.
[UNKNOWN]: And it's like, what?
[UNKNOWN]: They just wanted the ride.
[UNKNOWN]: The ride was good, but it was definitely biased towards
[UNKNOWN]: you know the brains of the brawn and then what do you think we're sharing on if they don't brains or brawn I guess there's a sharing on they're just sharing on and they I
[UNKNOWN]: I do think other moves, though, like with Cochrane, Andrea blindside, like he votes for Eddie there, but like he's very much in control of why Andrew is going home there, the Brenda 321 vote out because they knew Eddie was gonna move for Eric and so then it was able to just be him, Dawn and Cherie who made sure Brenda went home.
[UNKNOWN]: Cochrane has a lot of really good moves late in the game and it's like that's when he takes control.
[UNKNOWN]: So yeah, where was he ranked on the ranking for you guys?
[UNKNOWN]: That's a good question.
[UNKNOWN]: Where do you, well, okay, so for context, JT was 9th.
[UNKNOWN]: where do you think Cochrane falls at a fifth?
[UNKNOWN]: So, this is what's hard for me.
[UNKNOWN]: I think Cochrane is so unbelievably hated on the internet, but I think in real life, people like him more.
[UNKNOWN]: So I don't know if you have like a big time internet fanbase, obviously you're on the internet, but I don't know if your fanbase is just strictly people who are like always on Reddit.
[UNKNOWN]: They used to be on sucks, they're doing all this.
[UNKNOWN]: Well, they did put a lot of form answering questions about 50 winners.
[UNKNOWN]: So, yeah, okay, so I'm gonna say 21.
[UNKNOWN]: Uh, not quite his 14th, um, that's pretty good.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, right below D and right above Richard Hatch.
[UNKNOWN]: Okay.
[UNKNOWN]: I don't think he's worse than D. I think he should be above D. Um, Rich, better the Richard, of course.
[UNKNOWN]: I mean, chocolate at a perfect game.
[UNKNOWN]: I.
[UNKNOWN]: me, that's a top 10 winner, just strictly based on that, but I do agree that unlike JT, who came in into a game fresh and had to create his own perfect game, Cochrane came into a season that was definitely in favor of the favorites, and then the favorites weren't even that well cast.
[UNKNOWN]: So it's definitely, it's the weaker cast and he does know some people and it's like, I can't rank him above JT any day the week.
[UNKNOWN]: JT's always above him, but
[UNKNOWN]: top to kind of talk to him like it doesn't matter what season we're all like it's only having twice and this is the last time it happened.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah for me whenever I get these like split seasons I kind of do rank the winners a little bit lower but it's funny you mentioned D and Cochrane I just looked at my own rankings and obviously we haven't gotten a Cochrane yet but I have Cochrane ranked one spot ahead of D in my rank.
[UNKNOWN]: Okay, so that's where your fans were at too.
[UNKNOWN]: I'm trying to think D's game of 45 is not better than Cochrane's game on 26, and that's where I has nothing to do with their other seasons.
[UNKNOWN]: I don't count South Pacific and I don't count 50, like strictly winning games.
[UNKNOWN]: I think Cochrane's in our way of the D. But then that puts him below Ethan.
[UNKNOWN]: It's like, is he rather than Ethan?
[UNKNOWN]: We just ranked Ethan 39th.
[UNKNOWN]: Wow.
[UNKNOWN]: So yeah, and then okay, the Karimo and the season, where do you think it falls out of 50?
[UNKNOWN]: 38.
[UNKNOWN]: Close 37.
[UNKNOWN]: You were right there.
[UNKNOWN]: Right above 43 and right below game changers.
[UNKNOWN]: Man, people got to rewatch game changers and realize that one stinks.
[UNKNOWN]: I'm in the almost, I'm like, have way through game changers.
[UNKNOWN]: I hate that much.
[UNKNOWN]: Oh, my God.
[UNKNOWN]: Man, it does not get better.
[UNKNOWN]: The fact that the episode's only 43 minutes and you're like, at least could have been true.
[UNKNOWN]: It says a lot of stuff.
[UNKNOWN]: It's really rough.
[UNKNOWN]: There's a lot of rewatching winners of war.
[UNKNOWN]: I legit and like all these episodes could be 90 minutes easy.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, and I know the season wouldn't be better for it.
[UNKNOWN]: Maybe it would be, but like winners of war I'm like almost every episode could be longer and would be better for it.
[UNKNOWN]: But then a while I'm watching game changers, I think dops and like these could have been shorter.
[UNKNOWN]: And both these are like, what are we doing here?
[UNKNOWN]: I actually like Caramone quite a bit.
[UNKNOWN]: I think down the stretch, it gets really good.
[UNKNOWN]: Towards the end, Cockroar becomes like an obvious win, but I do feel like there's some good blindsides.
[UNKNOWN]: I think the whole merger this season is really, really, really good.
[UNKNOWN]: I think the pre-merge is bad, but I think the post-merge gets really, really exciting.
[UNKNOWN]: Out of the first,
[UNKNOWN]: 33 seasons, I have it ranked, let me see, 33, 32, 31, 32, 31, 30, 29, 28, 27, 26, 25, 25, 24, 23, 22, I have it ranked 21st out of the first 33 seasons.
[UNKNOWN]: So, you know, and I don't like the new era.
[UNKNOWN]: So, honestly, this is probably going to end up in right around my top half of seasons, which even surprised me when I was rewatching, but I think the second half of the season is phenomenal.
[UNKNOWN]: I also got to mention, I think this is so they moved to new location of Philippines, it's second time they're there.
[UNKNOWN]: I think they're in a different part of the Philippines fill for $27 and $28 than they are for $25 and $26.
[UNKNOWN]: I think they're a pair of locations, but this is the exact year, this is the exact time frame of Jeff's like.
[UNKNOWN]: We are budget's going down, eventually we're going to have to just pick a place and just stick there.
[UNKNOWN]: So the writing was on the wall at this time with Caramel and though we're not quite there yet, but yeah worth mentioning a Caramel and yes, first half season.
[UNKNOWN]: I actually enjoy it, but only because of the drama.
[UNKNOWN]: I don't I don't enjoy that Brandon did what he did or how it happened, but like it's hard to deny that they still made an inter they made an entertaining episodes out of what should have been not there's nothing else really going on.
[UNKNOWN]: Check in with the fans, just like Sherry and Shemar and it's like, yeah, and then you're running with the Reynolds electric in my eyes, man.
[UNKNOWN]: I love Reynolds.
[UNKNOWN]: And you go over to the favorites and it's like Brandon and Philip.
[UNKNOWN]: So, and that's your I agree with you.
[UNKNOWN]: The second half season, like strategically, the second half season is so much better.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, because there's actually like gameplay happening that you want to watch.
[UNKNOWN]: Because the first half, the problem with the with caramel is you start off with Francesca going with just like how we got the meme before
[UNKNOWN]: And then you lose all this time, yeah, you lose hope and alley who nobody cares Laura would have been a good strategist, but she had no physical game.
[UNKNOWN]: They do the swap and that's not good.
[UNKNOWN]: You have the quit from Shamar, you have the quit from Brandon.
[UNKNOWN]: I mean, you're going into the merge, like what the hell is happening?
[UNKNOWN]: He's ran into the quit.
[UNKNOWN]: they weren't letting him go back to the island.
[UNKNOWN]: It's too quick.
[UNKNOWN]: Like it's being pulled from the game.
[UNKNOWN]: And I love, I mean, just I know we gotta get off this season, but one of my favorite moments in the history of the show and I didn't realize this until I just rewatched.
[UNKNOWN]: But when they are
[UNKNOWN]: Like Jeff is doing everything he can to keep Brandon under control and Reynolds from the other Matt is just trolling the shit out of Brandon.
[UNKNOWN]: He is like, Oh, so we win, we're winners are we going to win this is awesome.
[UNKNOWN]: Can you raise your hands and say that we won Jeff?
[UNKNOWN]: Oh, my God, it is so incredible how Reynolds does that.
[UNKNOWN]: And I absolutely love it.
[UNKNOWN]: Yes, that we would do by the way, never did it, Phil.
[UNKNOWN]: He never did it.
[UNKNOWN]: Well, because Jeff was very, Jeff was really concerned that Brandon was actually going to harm somebody.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: So yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: I don't even know why they left it in the show that he agreed that he doesn't do it.
[UNKNOWN]: So anyways, yes, we do definitely need to move on to blood versus water, though.
[UNKNOWN]: Yes, so let's do that.
[UNKNOWN]: Tyson, what's up, man?
[UNKNOWN]: All right, so Tyson, back to back seasons
[UNKNOWN]: the much more competitive season is here with Blood vs Water.
[UNKNOWN]: This is like Man's versus David's 3 to me.
[UNKNOWN]: It's fans versus favorites three except we didn't have any favorites, but we had a lot of fans and that was the difference.
[UNKNOWN]: This was I actually think this was the first time that they actually cast people who cared about survivor as the favorites and obviously it's blood versus water, but like Hayden Moss might not be a big survivor fan.
[UNKNOWN]: But Hayden is a great casting choice and understands how these games work.
[UNKNOWN]: You know, that's more of what I'm getting at Sierra, phenomenal casting trees.
[UNKNOWN]: If you actually look at it with a lot of the people they cast.
[UNKNOWN]: Why are Monica Cat and Laura Merett on this season?
[UNKNOWN]: Because their loved ones are phenomenal TV who are going to bring it nonstop.
[UNKNOWN]: And that's what was awesome.
[UNKNOWN]: And then you look at somebody like Tyson Rachel probably one of the bigger duds of this cast, but it's Tyson that's coming back.
[UNKNOWN]: So that's okay.
[UNKNOWN]: And so I do think that this was this is the best cast out of any of these 50 50 cast and it is an insanely competitive season in Tyson has to do quite a bit towards the end of this game to ensure he's going to get that win over Monica and Jervis.
[UNKNOWN]: This season is indicative of the casting philosophy at the time, which was it's okay to cast duds or cannon fodder because we have enough.
[UNKNOWN]: people that we know will make it far because of the cannon fodder.
[UNKNOWN]: It's okay.
[UNKNOWN]: We're banking the season on the hits and laying the cannon fodder be the cannon fodder.
[UNKNOWN]: The only time I think it doesn't work this season is when Rupert leaves for Laura.
[UNKNOWN]: Yes.
[UNKNOWN]: When that happens, that's the only time that this shows the cracks in this casting philosophy.
[UNKNOWN]: Otherwise, I'm with you.
[UNKNOWN]: Like the casting nails it.
[UNKNOWN]: I don't know why how the cast was put together last season.
[UNKNOWN]: I don't know what happened there.
[UNKNOWN]: because then they immediately do this and also Philippines was a hit.
[UNKNOWN]: So I don't know.
[UNKNOWN]: So I do know that I agree with you.
[UNKNOWN]: Like this is where this is when the casting shines is like, okay, the hits are better than the cannon fodder and the cannon fodder goes out when where they should hate call people cannon fodder, but that's where they're cast to be.
[UNKNOWN]: Well, a lot of players.
[UNKNOWN]: And exactly, and you think about it, like you're going to get Tina on this season.
[UNKNOWN]: Okay.
[UNKNOWN]: So we'll bring Katie and that's fine.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, you know, you're getting what you're getting your season two winner back on the show.
[UNKNOWN]: Right, we had a good place in season two because all stars was she was, yeah, Jenna had her agenda there.
[UNKNOWN]: I mean, you're getting Jervis and yeah, Marissa actually probably would have been great TV had Marissa last night, very long there.
[UNKNOWN]: Marissa had personality.
[UNKNOWN]: But Jervis also like getting him and him just like getting in everybody's faces and that being the reason for the vote out John Cody is amazing on this season Caleb starts off really strong he just appears in halfway through but he starts off really, really strong they get a great job casting this season and I I love this season.
[UNKNOWN]: I don't really like Sam Mondals.
[UNKNOWN]: I think Sam Mondals are I think Sam Mondals are as a bore and I think the internet over rates it.
[UNKNOWN]: But I really love this first iteration.
[UNKNOWN]: I think they really clicked here and I think what was so interesting about the season it was something we hadn't seen before was the strategy from the one tribe was if we vote out Rachel maybe Tyson will step in for her.
[UNKNOWN]: and this was just what we've ever seen.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, and it was really fascinating to see Tyson do that and see Tyson, his mindset changed on a dime when Rachel got voted out because he was a goof and token change who wanted to have control but was more focused on being entertaining.
[UNKNOWN]: And in Heroes vs. Valencia was not coming out there to win the game.
[UNKNOWN]: I don't know, he was not serious.
[UNKNOWN]: And on this season he wasn't serious early on it was very much like I'm gonna come out I'm still be Tyson and as soon as Rachel went out all of a sudden you start getting confessionals of him being like I'm just kind of throwing Aris under the bus without Aris even realizing I'm throwing him under the bus He's just phenomenal on this season.
[UNKNOWN]: I think he does a phenomenal job
[UNKNOWN]: And yeah, when Rachel's voted off and he doesn't know it yet, they're still doing scenes of Tyson just being goofy.
[UNKNOWN]: He's like, oh, yeah, it's ours.
[UNKNOWN]: It's not a real belt.
[UNKNOWN]: It's not a cupcake.
[UNKNOWN]: It's not a cupcake ours, just a belt.
[UNKNOWN]: You can't eat it.
[UNKNOWN]: Like that scene happens after Rachel it off, but before he knows, but you're right, Sue's Rachel's revealed him to be voted off.
[UNKNOWN]: Tyson finally clicks in the Gary's like, I'm here to win this game, finally, it's crazy by the way, he's such a great casting that we don't mind that it took two seasons and three episodes from to finally to take survivor seriously.
[UNKNOWN]: But that's a long text.
[UNKNOWN]: I mean, when there's a war he's there to win again, but it really, it really was the elimination of Rachel seemingly insignificant.
[UNKNOWN]: you know, as a boot, but holy craft, is it completely changed Tyson?
[UNKNOWN]: And as a result, makes this season go a different direction than what had had racial made the merge.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, absolutely.
[UNKNOWN]: I mean, because once that happens, he's now playing for her and him.
[UNKNOWN]: It's no longer she can win.
[UNKNOWN]: And if she's going to get voted out, and I'm not going to step in for her, I need to make sure it's worthwhile.
[UNKNOWN]: And he does.
[UNKNOWN]: He makes sure it's worthwhile.
[UNKNOWN]: And he does a great job.
[UNKNOWN]: I mean, I...
[UNKNOWN]: I love this game from him.
[UNKNOWN]: I always rank it a little bit lower just because it is his third time playing and he is definitely out of all of the returning players.
[UNKNOWN]: He's by far one of the best players out there.
[UNKNOWN]: I mean this is a guy who was on Heroes vs. Villains.
[UNKNOWN]: If you look at it like Rupert very much more of a character than a player, obviously Colton is nothing.
[UNKNOWN]: Kat is nothing.
[UNKNOWN]: Um, you know, Tina, a winner, but not as threatening.
[UNKNOWN]: I don't think that's Tyson because I don't think she was as top of mind.
[UNKNOWN]: So for me, I always go a little bit lower just because it is his third time he is playing against a bunch of people who are first timers and I don't find the returning players to be as captivating.
[UNKNOWN]: But man, when you start getting down to that end game with him and Hayden and Sierra, that end game is crazy and it is so well handled by Tyson the whole time.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, Tyson's the only player to ever win on their third time playing.
[UNKNOWN]: No one else has ever done it.
[UNKNOWN]: Everyone else has won on their first second or fourth.
[UNKNOWN]: Tony won on his third though.
[UNKNOWN]: Sorry, Tony had already won.
[UNKNOWN]: I meant, you're right.
[UNKNOWN]: He did win us their time.
[UNKNOWN]: I meant that Tyson's win came on his third time.
[UNKNOWN]: But you were correct.
[UNKNOWN]: Like, technically Tony did, Tony had already won.
[UNKNOWN]: I mean, everyone had won that season, but yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: Tyson's the only player who hadn't won and then won the third season.
[UNKNOWN]: Everyone else was first second or fourth.
[UNKNOWN]: No, he's over one of their fifth either, as far as I know.
[UNKNOWN]: I think we've only had like Ozzy, Seri, and Boston Rob.
[UNKNOWN]: Boston Rob won us fourth, but Seri, nor Ozzy, of one.
[UNKNOWN]: So like, no, he's one of their fifth.
[UNKNOWN]: No, he's one of the third aside from Tyson.
[UNKNOWN]: Tyson's by himself doing that.
[UNKNOWN]: But yes, technically Tony did win us third.
[UNKNOWN]: He just said, are he won?
[UNKNOWN]: Sorry.
[UNKNOWN]: That was a good call.
[UNKNOWN]: Tyson, I think Tyson, there's a lot of things you'd qualify as worst moves.
[UNKNOWN]: game, when you look at the numbers like he just builds an alliance of singles, gets right of couples and then takes a single to the end, finding his best buddy in Jervis and then dragging Monica the goat to the end, a very loyal which is very valuable as a alliance member just not going to win the game.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: But yeah, that fight against Hayden and Sierra who vote off her own mother.
[UNKNOWN]: I don't know if you knew that.
[UNKNOWN]: She voted off her own mom, who could who would have guessed?
[UNKNOWN]: And I bet you feel that blood versus water doesn't return until boss Robin is daughter on the show.
[UNKNOWN]: And then his daughter votes him off because boss Robin would 1,000% make that happen to make his daughter a survivor legend.
[UNKNOWN]: And he can be trying to be like, I love this game so much.
[UNKNOWN]: I played this 35 years ago,
[UNKNOWN]: I was a doctor and I said go to my cell for my daughter, Jeff, that's all.
[UNKNOWN]: I mean, it's already been written.
[UNKNOWN]: We need.
[UNKNOWN]: We need to remember doing this at this time.
[UNKNOWN]: So I didn't like five to 10 years when this happens.
[UNKNOWN]: We back and just hold it this.
[UNKNOWN]: I have videos.
[UNKNOWN]: I have talked about this in many videos for many years.
[UNKNOWN]: I'm like, that's when Blood Verse 3 is going to happen because they were wanting, we're back for 50.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, like what do you need raw back for 54 they're asked me back 50 he said no And I'm like yeah cuz he's waiting to do one of this daughter obviously But Jeff asks him every chance he gets that's why he's gonna get him back.
[UNKNOWN]: Hey, what if we get you and your daughter on we do some sort of I don't know what they would call like a CC.
[UNKNOWN]: I don't know what they would call it cuz how many children can our old Of play I really want to run in hands back.
[UNKNOWN]: I rewatch winner
[UNKNOWN]: Like I rewatch when there's a war and when they did the family visit Jeff said, oh, oh, you kids are future survivor players I'm like, you know, the seeds are always planted in advance with Jeff.
[UNKNOWN]: He always not always but like most time You could see things coming and I see like, oh, children of survivor players.
[UNKNOWN]: It's gonna happen.
[UNKNOWN]: Will it be blood versus water?
[UNKNOWN]: I don't know.
[UNKNOWN]: I think that's the way to do it kind of random name in the ring for this.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, good.
[UNKNOWN]: At 41 minutes of this podcast We're pretty much everybody else is watching the big brother from here
[UNKNOWN]: I want Brennan Shapiro and his son to make it onto that cast.
[UNKNOWN]: I want it.
[UNKNOWN]: That's what I want, Wes.
[UNKNOWN]: Brandon Shapiro.
[UNKNOWN]: Am I right?
[UNKNOWN]: The new branch Shapiro.
[UNKNOWN]: That from Ghostile.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, Brennan Shapiro from Ghostile.
[UNKNOWN]: Why?
[UNKNOWN]: Why him?
[UNKNOWN]: Because he...
[UNKNOWN]: has, he has everything it takes to be a survivor winner and just ended up on the wrong season and he was on that Malolo low tribe and have a low up in the tribe that's stuck and had it been to Vidi, that season's good, but to Vidi was such a boring as tribe.
[UNKNOWN]: that the whole season's garbage.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, I want to see Brandon Shapiro playing it.
[UNKNOWN]: If they brought back Tom of latte and Chris Noble, they're not bringing back Brandon Shapiro, those other two are for, or to be called before Brandon is saying or blood versus green water.
[UNKNOWN]: Chris Noble, I don't know Chris Noble's playing with, but I'm just saying if this was going to happen.
[UNKNOWN]: It's a, it's a, it's a, it's a, it's a, it's a, it's a, it's a, it's a, it's a, it's a, it's a, it's a, it's a, it's a, it's a, it's a, it's a, it's a, it's a, it's a, it's a, it's a, it's a, it's a, it's a, it's a, it's a, it's a, it's a, it's a, it's a, it's a, it's a, it's a, it's a, it's a, it's a, it's a, it's a, it's a, it's a, it's a, it's a, it's a, it's a, it's a, it's a, it's a, it's a, it's a, it's a, it's a, it's a, it's a, it's a
[UNKNOWN]: She's genuine, but she means it.
[UNKNOWN]: She does.
[UNKNOWN]: And it really breaks her heart that other people don't like her as much as she thinks they should.
[UNKNOWN]: It really bothers her.
[UNKNOWN]: And I do feel bad for Monica, but they never felt that Monica had control.
[UNKNOWN]: Darrell Simors says that here.
[UNKNOWN]: They felt that she was being dragged.
[UNKNOWN]: And what's funny is I don't necessarily think she was like she votes the same way as Tyson that every tribal council, but like I kind of understand where people where Monica is coming from of why is it so bad that I did it, but it's not so bad that Tyson did it the end of the day.
[UNKNOWN]: He was just like Tyson Moore and that's like Tyson's a very very charming likeable guy There's a reason why he's been on so many shows why he is a successful podcast or now I could argue he's the most successful podcaster.
[UNKNOWN]: You could argue that he's more successful than Rob Rob's on Netflix
[UNKNOWN]: Rob is a Rob action Netflix or he just got an effort for Evan.
[UNKNOWN]: Oh, no, it's all over my Instagram.
[UNKNOWN]: Like Rob's on Netflix and some sort of Netflix show.
[UNKNOWN]: Well, he was on.
[UNKNOWN]: He was on Evan Ross cat's pop.
[UNKNOWN]: It wasn't Rob's podcast.
[UNKNOWN]: Oh, I thought Rob had was part of a show like permanently.
[UNKNOWN]: I don't keep.
[UNKNOWN]: I don't think so.
[UNKNOWN]: Up too much, I guess.
[UNKNOWN]: I think he was a guest on Evan Ross cat's podcast on that.
[UNKNOWN]: Rob launched Tyson.
[UNKNOWN]: That is true about Tyson, exactly.
[UNKNOWN]: But now Tyson is, you know, gallevanting on Spotify and on the ringer.
[UNKNOWN]: And I think Tyson's, I mean, their numbers are crazy, right?
[UNKNOWN]: Spotify's pushing Tyson's podcast, for sure.
[UNKNOWN]: In good words, let's talk about it.
[UNKNOWN]: I would say we're getting buried.
[UNKNOWN]: I'm all over, I'm, I, hey, good for him, good for him.
[UNKNOWN]: I will say, so Tyson's worst move this season fell.
[UNKNOWN]: What is his worst move?
[UNKNOWN]: Tyson's worst move on this season, honestly, probably going rocks, letting that happen because he had an idol.
[UNKNOWN]: He did have an idol and it was at final six, and it's very weird that he lets it get there because he's drawing a rock and I know some people, like the feeling is, oh, because he had
[UNKNOWN]: You know, Redemption Island, he could win his way back in, so it's not as threatening, but I do wonder why was he willing to even put himself in that position because if he I think he has an idol at that moment and if he does have an idol at that moment, he does he has an idol you are sure okay so like why why not just play it and ensure that.
[UNKNOWN]: Katie goes home or hating goes home or whatever, because then you have a three to advantage of the next tribal no matter what and then who cares who comes back into the game.
[UNKNOWN]: They might see you as a threat, but they can't give up their numbers.
[UNKNOWN]: So.
[UNKNOWN]: I think going to rocks there is definitely his worst move, but I think he has so many great moves throughout.
[UNKNOWN]: I think Arace is his best move since that's going to be your next question.
[UNKNOWN]: I actually agree with you.
[UNKNOWN]: I think the RS move, of course that was already the plan was to eliminate couples, separate couples, but I really do think that RS move kind of sets the stage for what's going to happen the rest of the post-emerge game.
[UNKNOWN]: though, I mean, getting out Sierra's mom now.
[UNKNOWN]: Laura came back with the merge.
[UNKNOWN]: They do let her live for a little bit, but unlike Ozzy and unlike Matt.
[UNKNOWN]: Laurel in my mind was never a threat to win this game.
[UNKNOWN]: I think Matt, there's a scenario where Matt gets the end of Redemption Islander wins.
[UNKNOWN]: There's a scenario obviously where Ozzie gets back to wins.
[UNKNOWN]: That was more obvious.
[UNKNOWN]: I don't think Laurel had the social game, and you see it in some, oh, as well, to pull it off.
[UNKNOWN]: So I get why they don't immediately eliminate her.
[UNKNOWN]: Um, whatever.
[UNKNOWN]: She got against herself this season.
[UNKNOWN]: Oh, Laura, I don't think it's 19.
[UNKNOWN]: I believe that, yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: I think it's 19 because she gets voted out seven one twice.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: And then she saves Tina in a challenge.
[UNKNOWN]: She helps Beatis feels really burned when Laura helps Tina be this.
[UNKNOWN]: But also good for Laura and Tina, like, I don't work together if you can.
[UNKNOWN]: Tina goes into the game beat Laura and Tina of course you have to get her right away and it's like more proof from the putting you cannot let these people get back in the game go the end.
[UNKNOWN]: Tina's more obvious though she's the past one or and of course she's the vice of the alliance and this is why I don't like redemption island in the second half of the game.
[UNKNOWN]: Redemption Island for the first half of the game I'm okay with if you're in a lot everybody know it's coming but the second half of the game redemption island like Tina being able to come back at five and then she wins one immunity and now Tina
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, also I'm with you Phil, I think if the open air decides to bring back redemption out or edge of extinction.
[UNKNOWN]: And it seems like, I mean, I don't know exactly, we haven't watched fishing or 52 yet, not to date this, but we haven't.
[UNKNOWN]: It's interesting to me and wondering to me, like, are they going to be more loosey goosey with how they implement advantages and twists because if they do, I'm with you, do outcast twists, do redemption outdo edge of extinction, but stop it at the merge.
[UNKNOWN]: Like, let it just be the first half of the season and it's not
[UNKNOWN]: because I feel like when they commit to the theme for some reason, they think this has to go through the finale.
[UNKNOWN]: But they've created a twist that doesn't really work going through the finale.
[UNKNOWN]: It only works the first half season.
[UNKNOWN]: This redemption island is fantastic.
[UNKNOWN]: The first half of the season is so much content, so much drama out of redemption on the first half.
[UNKNOWN]: Second half, redemption island's kind of just like, it exists.
[UNKNOWN]: Doesn't really add to the season though.
[UNKNOWN]: And I feel like the same with the other seasons as well with Edge and Redemption Island.
[UNKNOWN]: Like, oh, when there's a war, they force advantages in the game, but like, it's not natural.
[UNKNOWN]: It's not the players interacting.
[UNKNOWN]: Like, the source advantage on Tony, for example, like that was post merge, but like, that's survivor forcing stuff.
[UNKNOWN]: Whereas I think all the good natural stuff happens the first half of the season when it comes to this twist.
[UNKNOWN]: So I hope the open air, it bring in this back, it's just, it's only through the merge.
[UNKNOWN]: No, I totally totally, totally agree with you.
[UNKNOWN]: All right, so what else about Tyson here before before I move on to Tony because I mean, yeah, we want to talk about how many votes he is off because he's not by many.
[UNKNOWN]: I guess because he doesn't get votes in the game, right?
[UNKNOWN]: Because the rock draws a close.
[UNKNOWN]: He is to going home three votes.
[UNKNOWN]: He misses a perfect game by and one of those votes goes to jurists have final tribal.
[UNKNOWN]: So he only misses it by two.
[UNKNOWN]: Let's go.
[UNKNOWN]: Monica gets Vitas.
[UNKNOWN]: Oh, sorry.
[UNKNOWN]: Monica, yeah, because they didn't want Jervis to get.
[UNKNOWN]: Sorry.
[UNKNOWN]: I forgot.
[UNKNOWN]: Vitas threw it on Monica.
[UNKNOWN]: I thought you threw on Jervis.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: Next up there.
[UNKNOWN]: I remember that he threw it on somebody so that Jervis got third.
[UNKNOWN]: That's what happened.
[UNKNOWN]: Now I'm looking back at blood versus water seeing who voted for him.
[UNKNOWN]: He gets a vote from Vitas when Vitas goes.
[UNKNOWN]: He gets a vote from Tina with Tina goes.
[UNKNOWN]: But like.
[UNKNOWN]: That's it.
[UNKNOWN]: There's stray votes.
[UNKNOWN]: There's no unified effort.
[UNKNOWN]: And he does win individual immunity twice at the end, which is crucial to stopping a comeback for Sierra Antina.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, he wins immunity.
[UNKNOWN]: I think that's what's also interesting.
[UNKNOWN]: He doesn't win immunity necessarily to save himself.
[UNKNOWN]: He wins immunity to keep his alliance in the power.
[UNKNOWN]: And ensure that the other people can't have like this hanging on longer than they should situation.
[UNKNOWN]: right.
[UNKNOWN]: It's perfectly timed, the immunities.
[UNKNOWN]: It was fun seeing, I really like when you see people come back and they change Tyson looked like you just do the same stick but Rachel going like it makes for a less fun character game but it's like oh Tyson can play survivor like he can play survivor and it which is an interesting twist after two seasons and three episodes the Tyson is goofing off.
[UNKNOWN]: making jokes.
[UNKNOWN]: I love Tyson Kraken jokes, but it's fun to see him actually place your driver and be successful at it.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, where do you think your ranks as a winner?
[UNKNOWN]: Remember that character is a part of the ranking spell?
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, I'm going to say eight.
[UNKNOWN]: Very close again, seven.
[UNKNOWN]: Okay.
[UNKNOWN]: Right below Todd.
[UNKNOWN]: Once it's up below Todd.
[UNKNOWN]: And the season, well, 40, you think it falls out of 50.
[UNKNOWN]: I think it should be in the top 20.
[UNKNOWN]: I'm gonna say 16, but I could see it being lower.
[UNKNOWN]: 12, 12.
[UNKNOWN]: Wow, okay, so your audience is actually a good audience.
[UNKNOWN]: How do we get your audience on our channel?
[UNKNOWN]: There, that's what I'm here for.
[UNKNOWN]: There were right below, outside island and one step above 46.
[UNKNOWN]: I personally like 46 more than both of those seasons, but I get, I'm a sucker for 46.
[UNKNOWN]: 46, the one new era season, I'm like, this could have been a pre-new era and worked fantastic too.
[UNKNOWN]: That's high for Panama.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, exile in Panama is ranked, yeah, ranked pretty high to 11.
[UNKNOWN]: That's high.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: Good season.
[UNKNOWN]: I just think it's high.
[UNKNOWN]: I think blood versus water though, it's a good season.
[UNKNOWN]: It really helps.
[UNKNOWN]: I think Hayden for me, it's like Hayden creates a worthy opponent to whoever is going to win in this case, Tyson.
[UNKNOWN]: That I don't know if the show, that was their intention, but like they don't, I think why don't they casting more big brother winners in the future Hayden?
[UNKNOWN]: It's fancy tried with Caleb, but he wasn't a winner, but they tried with Caleb and that kind of Yeah, no, I mean, bring a winner on, but like on a season like this, it works because the winner has experience being on CBS show being a strategy show.
[UNKNOWN]: It's almost like a season of big brother winners versus survivor winners would be fantastic TV.
[UNKNOWN]: Like, holy crap, it is on survivors, therefore survivors have edge, but it would just be fantastic TV to see that.
[UNKNOWN]: And that on big brothers, while I would actually watch big further again, if they put on like a legends, survivor cast versus like not just David indeed.
[UNKNOWN]: Right, not, Devons' Z is not enough for me to actively tune in live and watch this episode.
[UNKNOWN]: I'm gonna have to, I will maybe I'll watch them later.
[UNKNOWN]: I'm sure I will, but like, I'm not gonna, I'm not, it's not my CTV.
[UNKNOWN]: It's must see if they do half an half.
[UNKNOWN]: Like, I'm just kidding.
[UNKNOWN]: It's so good by the way, it would be fun.
[UNKNOWN]: It's funny the only show they ever did that with was the amazing race.
[UNKNOWN]: Yes, and that was one of the best of Azeris seasons ever.
[UNKNOWN]: I love it, Mary.
[UNKNOWN]: Thanks for bringing up films.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, I brought it up.
[UNKNOWN]: I let you get to almost an hour.
[UNKNOWN]: And I wanted to see if you would say it.
[UNKNOWN]: But I was funny that that's the iron season.
[UNKNOWN]: They did it on.
[UNKNOWN]: Like a charm for those one hearing.
[UNKNOWN]: It was the edge of the West.
[UNKNOWN]: Of course the amazing race players.
[UNKNOWN]: I mean, there's there's no social strategy that that like it doesn't go deep enough on amazing for social strategy.
[UNKNOWN]: Like there's like one moment that it mattered and that was it amazing races more about the adventure and the racing.
[UNKNOWN]: So I do hope fill.
[UNKNOWN]: I'm sure I said this before, but I really hope 40 season 40 amazing races all winners don't know.
[UNKNOWN]: They haven't cast their film to yet, but I'm hoping that they do the survivor do all winners.
[UNKNOWN]: It's about time.
[UNKNOWN]: They've not been done yet.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, yeah, which is good.
[UNKNOWN]: That's blood versus water.
[UNKNOWN]: That's Tyson.
[UNKNOWN]: All right.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: That means we're moving on to Tony.
[UNKNOWN]: And it's Tony one point out, Caggy on Tony, who is a lion.
[UNKNOWN]: He is not a hyena.
[UNKNOWN]: He plays an aggressive, aggressive, aggressive game from day one.
[UNKNOWN]: And I think that's why people took to Tony so much.
[UNKNOWN]: I think that's why people were so excited when he did end up winning season 40 was because we were in this stretch of survivor
[UNKNOWN]: Natalie White, Sandra, Fabio, Boston Rob, always in control, but also just terrible season.
[UNKNOWN]: Sophie, Kim, always in control, terrible season.
[UNKNOWN]: Denise, who's more under the radar, cocker, who's more under the radar, Tyson, who's more under the radar.
[UNKNOWN]: It's hard to meet with a controlling winner and a good season fell.
[UNKNOWN]: I think that's what you said.
[UNKNOWN]: And we get Tony on the key.
[UNKNOWN]: And it really works here and this is such a great cast and they did such a good job of putting personalities that clash against each other.
[UNKNOWN]: And yet Tony, Tony plays this crazy, crazy aggressive game that you almost didn't think was possible to play to win the survivor.
[UNKNOWN]: I remember when it came out, Wes, I don't know how you felt.
[UNKNOWN]: I remember when it came out, my family and I, and like a couple family friends, we used to this thing where you pick one man and one woman and we would do it as a draft.
[UNKNOWN]: Sure.
[UNKNOWN]: I mean, to do a pick one man, pick one woman.
[UNKNOWN]: So they were nine of us.
[UNKNOWN]: Tony was the last pick of that draft because we all thought Tony was just going to be another Russell just going to be in knucklehead who's going to cause a lot of drama.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, but out he was kind of an ass in his preseason interviews.
[UNKNOWN]: His new interviews fail.
[UNKNOWN]: He said they made a mistake casting me.
[UNKNOWN]: They put me a shark.
[UNKNOWN]: They put me a shark into a like a lake of minnows are upon a minnows.
[UNKNOWN]: I've always said that maybe in a fish tank of minnows.
[UNKNOWN]: Like Tony called his shot in the being right.
[UNKNOWN]: Which is crazy though, because when you hear that back in 2014, you're like, this guy's an idiot.
[UNKNOWN]: This guy's a clown.
[UNKNOWN]: He has a play today.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, what was he talking about?
[UNKNOWN]: And he was a first ball at Hall of Famer.
[UNKNOWN]: I know for all of the people when Gordon Holmes used to do the, when he was with Xfinity, he used to do like the Survivor Hall of Fame.
[UNKNOWN]: He was the only person who was a one-time player who got in and he got in like right after his first season because it was just such an insane game.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, Tony, so I know Phil, I think last time this is one of those few things I remember from last time we talked, meaning last time we did this series, we talked obviously since then, but last time we did this series, I remember you saying that Tony's win was not obvious, this is one of the seasons I was I did as part of my binge.
[UNKNOWN]: to catch up after game changers when I did all the catching up.
[UNKNOWN]: Unfortunately, that meant that I knew Tony had won because I saw the map.
[UNKNOWN]: All I knew was game changers though.
[UNKNOWN]: So I don't know if I fully remember that he won, like if it was the same guy, because he goes out and that's one of game changers.
[UNKNOWN]: I think that's right, it's second booths.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, because they do it two hour double booth for the first episode of game changers.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: In the back of my mind, I guess it was there.
[UNKNOWN]: If I didn't remember watching Kai Guy on, that he won.
[UNKNOWN]: But when I'm watching the season, I'm like, he's getting so much screen time.
[UNKNOWN]: It's in the same amount of screen time.
[UNKNOWN]: I'm like, he has to win.
[UNKNOWN]: He didn't come across the same way as Russell.
[UNKNOWN]: Like he was chaotic.
[UNKNOWN]: But like I was looking at the rest of the cast, and I'm like, okay, who beats Tony?
[UNKNOWN]: Who beats Spencer?
[UNKNOWN]: Spencer, I was rooting for Spencer.
[UNKNOWN]: That's what everybody did.
[UNKNOWN]: And that's right.
[UNKNOWN]: The most vendor goes, I'm like, Tony's won.
[UNKNOWN]: It can't be anything like that.
[UNKNOWN]: What's that?
[UNKNOWN]: Oh, I know.
[UNKNOWN]: I know.
[UNKNOWN]: That's so deep in the season.
[UNKNOWN]: I'm aware.
[UNKNOWN]: I'm not saying I told her not early.
[UNKNOWN]: I know.
[UNKNOWN]: And that's what I'm saying is like Tony might seem obvious because he's getting so many professionals.
[UNKNOWN]: But you have to remember, this is coming only four or five years after us watching back to back seasons of the Russell handship.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: And he loses.
[UNKNOWN]: And so when you're watching this season, I remember at the reunion, Tyler Perry even says like, because of the Tyler Perry, I just want it Spencer to get that and whole crowd goes nuts, because the whole everybody was rooting for Spencer at that time, which is crazy in retrospect, because in my opinion, like Tony infinitely more interesting as a character player, everything.
[UNKNOWN]: but spread the underdog story and people love to refer to an underdog.
[UNKNOWN]: And that's where people thought this was going.
[UNKNOWN]: They thought Tony's getting all the screen time, he's a hog, he's super entertaining, but eventually he's gonna get got.
[UNKNOWN]: And that's why when Wu wins the final immunity challenge, everybody's like, oh, God, it's gonna be Wu vs. Cass and we're watching it all over again.
[UNKNOWN]: Cause we had seen this kind of edit before, right?
[UNKNOWN]: The problem is, we're not gonna be able to do that.
[UNKNOWN]: You know, Rob Cisternino, Russell, any of those people, where they eat up a lot of screen time and then ultimately just fall a little bit short, so it really isn't until, I mean, until who writes Cases name on that parchment where you go, oh my god, Tony just won this game.
[UNKNOWN]: How the hell did that happen?
[UNKNOWN]: I think Caggy on a such a perfect season, but Tony plays such an incredible game.
[UNKNOWN]: I got to say, so Tony's best move.
[UNKNOWN]: There's a lot of moves you could say is worse.
[UNKNOWN]: He made a lot of bad moves.
[UNKNOWN]: It was always like two steps forward one step back with Tony on everything he did.
[UNKNOWN]: His best move, I know a lot of people say it's convincing will.
[UNKNOWN]: It like, yes, like maybe that's the second best move.
[UNKNOWN]: I think his best move was pretending he's super idle lasted longer than it did, which of course is where Riz got his, I'm, you didn't say Tony, but I'm sure it's where you guys idea from on 50, basically to, or on 49, sorry, to lie about when his idle was good until,
[UNKNOWN]: Um, except he did the office.
[UNKNOWN]: He said it ends earlier, which is, but Tony says it lasts till this point and nobody could back check him.
[UNKNOWN]: So it just worked.
[UNKNOWN]: Tony didn't notice by the surprise file too.
[UNKNOWN]: So he still had to, you know, survive.
[UNKNOWN]: What I think he said worked all through five.
[UNKNOWN]: So he still survived two more votes, but almost sounded like Tony's like, I only asked to arrive one vote.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, it wasn't through.
[UNKNOWN]: They actually, I think this season, I know the Subaru has a return since then, and it's co-wrong.
[UNKNOWN]: They, I think that's the best version of it.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: But this means, and I'm like, stop being a file six when you had a file two.
[UNKNOWN]: I'm like, that's me as fair.
[UNKNOWN]: I know Subaru is not inherently fair, but like, that's a lot of votes that you still survive without the Subaru at all.
[UNKNOWN]: I almost think I could go through three votes.
[UNKNOWN]: I mean, exactly.
[UNKNOWN]: Right.
[UNKNOWN]: If the open-air brings back the super idol or, in my opinion, the co-wrong super idols, the better way of doing it, make it stop at like seven or six.
[UNKNOWN]: And I'm like, that's, that's fine.
[UNKNOWN]: Actually, that's a really good advantage, but it doesn't get you to the end.
[UNKNOWN]: You don't just have the win like you'll, or like Terry deets almost did just because I'm a super idol.
[UNKNOWN]: Well, and, and that's what's so fascinating about about Tony's game here is like that lie sets Tony up so unbelievably well because it towards the end of the game they're going to well we can't go over Tony, but we can't go over Tony.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, we can't go over Tony because I don't think you're five.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, they think well, I think I think he lies and says he can use it till four.
[UNKNOWN]: I think that's what I see.
[UNKNOWN]: I thought it's through five.
[UNKNOWN]: I forget to only get your sex.
[UNKNOWN]: I can double check this.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, look it up.
[UNKNOWN]: Um, he was saying.
[UNKNOWN]: So he was saying that he had both idols at final five and he was saying that he could use the other one at final four.
[UNKNOWN]: He was saying that he could use this Oh, right.
[UNKNOWN]: Like you were idle.
[UNKNOWN]: Gosh, it's been a while.
[UNKNOWN]: So Voscagiano.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: So that I agree with you that that's his best move.
[UNKNOWN]: I don't think that like, you know, voting out Sarah is a great move.
[UNKNOWN]: Voting out LJ is a great move and retro respect voting out Jefra is a great move.
[UNKNOWN]: But I do think it is
[UNKNOWN]: of that line.
[UNKNOWN]: That's what set him up because they always feel like they can't get rid of them.
[UNKNOWN]: Tony plays a regular, Tony plays the regular idol at the Trish Boats, which is what that's five.
[UNKNOWN]: Okay.
[UNKNOWN]: So you have the regular idol, good through five.
[UNKNOWN]: Maybe you're right.
[UNKNOWN]: Maybe he lies the Superhouse, good through four.
[UNKNOWN]: It's why he's able to pull off the lie too, because he burns that idol, because it's the last time he can use it anyway, but it's laying on fit.
[UNKNOWN]: Oh, look, I'm using this because then I get it at four.
[UNKNOWN]: No, yeah, you're right.
[UNKNOWN]: I'm looking at it, so I got mixed up.
[UNKNOWN]: I do think that I think the idea it stops at six is still good.
[UNKNOWN]: That's not how they do this season.
[UNKNOWN]: They stopped at a five.
[UNKNOWN]: He lied those through four, like you said.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: So, which, of course, makes it sound one vote better, which is basically a risk I've did with this.
[UNKNOWN]: I don't, but saying it the other way on 49.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, and of course, the other regular idol that he played at the Trishpo, they didn't need to.
[UNKNOWN]: But I think it actually expired there, so he had to play it.
[UNKNOWN]: Uh, now one did expire there, but it was also his way of being like, oh, you know, yeah, it's expiring, but I still have this other one.
[UNKNOWN]: And I'm going to prove that I'm willing to get rid of this one.
[UNKNOWN]: What's also really funny is Tony doesn't lean either of the last two immunity challenges.
[UNKNOWN]: But going into that final four vote, Spencer and Castro.
[UNKNOWN]: Like, well, we can't vote for Tony.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: And then the wonders of war, Tony somehow wins four amuse.
[UNKNOWN]: I know.
[UNKNOWN]: I know after what he went on this season is one, right?
[UNKNOWN]: And you won't know individually when any.
[UNKNOWN]: No, he got close to you.
[UNKNOWN]: I think he has second and a couple of times like woo or whoever, but he never gets seen ever wins.
[UNKNOWN]: And the individual music season, which I think makes his win more impressive, because he is just flip flopping every other vote.
[UNKNOWN]: He votes those lines, but all the other in-between votes are with
[UNKNOWN]: not his lines.
[UNKNOWN]: He's always able to justify it, his own chaotic Tony way.
[UNKNOWN]: People just have to accept it, but you don't have an option, I guess.
[UNKNOWN]: They have to accept Tony's chaos.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: Well, and would so fascinating, because we didn't really get to talk about this with Cochrane and Tyson, because they were returning players and they're on half and half seasons.
[UNKNOWN]: But when you think we liked to have the discussion of could this type of game win again.
[UNKNOWN]: And the way that survivor is
[UNKNOWN]: You can't play the Tony type of game because there's too many landmines for you to step on throughout.
[UNKNOWN]: Tony was able to actually make plans and say, you know what, getting rid of Sarah here.
[UNKNOWN]: We'll get rid of Morgan next.
[UNKNOWN]: Now I'm going to blindside LG.
[UNKNOWN]: Now I'm going to blindside Jeremiah.
[UNKNOWN]: Now I'm going to blindside Jeffrey.
[UNKNOWN]: Like when you look at that boot order, you say, oh, all the beauties go back to back to back to back to back.
[UNKNOWN]: Give it, it's all blindsides.
[UNKNOWN]: It's not none of them actually know.
[UNKNOWN]: that they're going home when they go home.
[UNKNOWN]: Right.
[UNKNOWN]: Because Tony's going back and forth, Spencer's even going back and forth.
[UNKNOWN]: Like there's a lot of really dynamic gameplay on this season.
[UNKNOWN]: But the way that the show is now designed, you have to play the way Aubrey played in 50.
[UNKNOWN]: You can't remember what Tony played.
[UNKNOWN]: You have to be a Haina because the game is too,
[UNKNOWN]: they say unpredictable and I guess on 50 really was unpredictable given that like I wouldn't have predicted half the nonsense they threw them but the other nine new era seasons were actually super predictable by forty nine uh... forty one i'll give people a bit forty one for forty four like okay mostly unpredictable because that was all new by time it's forty nine's like it's the same old crap every season
[UNKNOWN]: It's just the same crap, it's like people act shocked, but it's the same thing again and again.
[UNKNOWN]: I'm with you, Phil.
[UNKNOWN]: I think that the show was like, we got to make it so dangerous.
[UNKNOWN]: The more unpredictable it is, the better the show, but it's like, it just encourages people to not do anything.
[UNKNOWN]: Because they're like, I don't know what's coming.
[UNKNOWN]: So why, why go take the risk here.
[UNKNOWN]: You know, so I want some take risk, but then survivor doesn't set them up with that because they don't have no what's coming up.
[UNKNOWN]: Big brother I know has this problem I have.
[UNKNOWN]: seen a lot of fans say that we're a big brother will throw crap at them so the people just sit in their hands.
[UNKNOWN]: I've seen a big brother season to know that's the case as well.
[UNKNOWN]: But and then so here's why I get praised the amazing race.
[UNKNOWN]: Maze Race does not do this.
[UNKNOWN]: The Maze Race, if they throw a twist at them, they tell them at the beginning of the like, hey, heads up, this like we're doing X.
[UNKNOWN]: This is this like we're doing X, like, okay.
[UNKNOWN]: So now I can like at least prepare during the like to make a move or not to make a move.
[UNKNOWN]: Like what am I going to do with the yield, with the U-turn, whatever.
[UNKNOWN]: Um, so that's one thing where I think that show gets it right.
[UNKNOWN]: It's like, I don't know how that would work in Survivor.
[UNKNOWN]: Like, could you, okay, coming up, we're going to be doing X?
[UNKNOWN]: Like, I don't know if they can do that.
[UNKNOWN]: Doesn't really fit within how the show works, I guess.
[UNKNOWN]: But if they want people to like play more aggressively, just put idols in the game.
[UNKNOWN]: That's how you get aggressive game play.
[UNKNOWN]: like that's it.
[UNKNOWN]: You just put idols in there.
[UNKNOWN]: You do other nonsense.
[UNKNOWN]: It makes people go, why don't know all that's out there?
[UNKNOWN]: Like, you know, when all you know is that there's idols, maybe there's a super idol, but there's idols.
[UNKNOWN]: Okay.
[UNKNOWN]: I can work with that.
[UNKNOWN]: That's a variable.
[UNKNOWN]: And the people with idols can play more aggressively.
[UNKNOWN]: It's usually what happens.
[UNKNOWN]: When you get the necklace you play more aggressively, when you get the idol you play more aggressively, she feels more confident.
[UNKNOWN]: I don't feel more confident with the steal of vote in my pocket.
[UNKNOWN]: Or, oh no, I'm Colby and I lost my vote.
[UNKNOWN]: Now, Colby's played on a season filmed in 2025, but still hasn't voted on Survivors since 2009.
[UNKNOWN]: Crazy.
[UNKNOWN]: Great.
[UNKNOWN]: How am I supposed to play survive or when you don't let me vote?
[UNKNOWN]: So, well, at the point of this season, I think works fantastic casting, but also the design of the season worked really well to let them just play the game, but also just enough there.
[UNKNOWN]: So, it was, it, you know, encouraged the gameplay that we got.
[UNKNOWN]: And, and I will say, if you think about it, so Kagan is Kagan, Natalie Anderson will get to her, will get to Mike.
[UNKNOWN]: I always say Cambodia is the turn point of survivor, right?
[UNKNOWN]: That's when survivor realized the route that they wanted to go and they wanted to be this this different version.
[UNKNOWN]: So, co-wrong obviously Michelle wins, but that was filmed first.
[UNKNOWN]: So, you think about all the seasons 33 on.
[UNKNOWN]: Adam is a hyena.
[UNKNOWN]: I'm literally just going to go through this right now.
[UNKNOWN]: So, if you guys don't know this, if you guys don't know all these winners and you don't want to hear this, fast forward like 30 seconds into the winning survivor series, that's also a good thing.
[UNKNOWN]: Sarah's a hyena you skip Sarah's a hyena I skip Sarah when does a hyena dumb is the lion when does the hyena Nick Wilson is a hyena first underwood maybe a lion I know he's a hyena okay it doesn't matter time as a hyena can add base a hyena
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, Tommy is purposefully throwing challenges.
[UNKNOWN]: He's a hyena Tony the second time has to play more like a hyena and even says that.
[UNKNOWN]: But there's a line on the inside knows it.
[UNKNOWN]: He wants to let loose.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: So then we have that 41 Erica 42 Marianne 43 Gavler.
[UNKNOWN]: Can I say for Jam Jam.
[UNKNOWN]: I know I'm interrupting.
[UNKNOWN]: Erica literally says I'm going from LAM to LINE like acknowledging that that is like I know it's Erica nobody cares about Erica but like that is the winning formula for most linear is to be a LAM or pretend to be a LAM and then be a line at the
[UNKNOWN]: Rachel Kyle Savannah Aubrey there is literally no aggressive player savanna's probably the closest and it takes the banana deer the closest And he though is very subtle because he gets her alliance and then she's doing everything behind the scenes people aren't seen Tony was
[UNKNOWN]: in your face all the time, and that Tyson's in your face all the time.
[UNKNOWN]: Natalie Anderson, the second half of that game is in your face the entire time.
[UNKNOWN]: You could play Mike Holloway is in your face.
[UNKNOWN]: Everybody knew he had to go and he was just in my communities.
[UNKNOWN]: Mike Holloway is a lion.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: And you go all the way all the way back.
[UNKNOWN]: Like Tom Westman plays a lion game.
[UNKNOWN]: Like you could play these lion games.
[UNKNOWN]: And when, and I think that, you know, the show has now said we want more passive winners.
[UNKNOWN]: We want more passports, but they actually want, but that's what they're saying.
[UNKNOWN]: Even though when they get them on the island, they tell them play like this is your second time.
[UNKNOWN]: Like Jeff preaches that and then he's on his on fire podcast.
[UNKNOWN]: By the way, do you think that's gonna come back, Phil?
[UNKNOWN]: I think it's done personally.
[UNKNOWN]: You think it's done?
[UNKNOWN]: I think it's done.
[UNKNOWN]: I think the on hiatus was an excuse for canceling it.
[UNKNOWN]: Personal.
[UNKNOWN]: Personally, personally, I hope it's back because I actually like, too.
[UNKNOWN]: I think it's better like I always say competition.
[UNKNOWN]: It's like you want to put a Wendy's next to a Burger King because if the line at Wendy's is long, you're just going to go to Burger King if you wanted Wendy's and a Burger King's happy.
[UNKNOWN]: I feel like having on fire there, on fire, Tyson's podcast, your podcast.
[UNKNOWN]: obviously Rob has a podcast, you know, no no buffs, you know, all these people, Bryson when I think having more is better because if you like like them, you can do it and like we got our torch enough by somebody who posted on Reddit that our torch was enough and that there no longer listening to us.
[UNKNOWN]: So, you know, we got to make sure that there's more podcasts that people can still discover us and all the editors don't abandon us now.
[UNKNOWN]: I do hope on fire guns back.
[UNKNOWN]: I just think the on hiatus, like third reason was, because of what the press he was doing, but like all the press was just preseason, Jeff didn't do much during season press.
[UNKNOWN]: So I'm like, also, he said, he said that the episodes are edited six weeks in advance fell, which means that Jeff, who runs the show, could watch the watch episode and record his podcast.
[UNKNOWN]: up to six weeks in advance.
[UNKNOWN]: I don't believe that.
[UNKNOWN]: By the way, I do believe six weeks in advance, but he acts like they can't change anything because of that and I'm like, that's not true.
[UNKNOWN]: Jeff was also bad two weeks before an episode aired on Edge of Extinction season that they will add the little thing on the bottom telling you what people have in their pocket, which means they can change things.
[UNKNOWN]: So it's like, and also if he is watching things six weeks in advance, why did he blow the
[UNKNOWN]: Oh yeah, honestly that I'll and it's crazy as it is.
[UNKNOWN]: I think the reason the fire 50 fire makers blown was simply because he wasn't watching the show as it's happening that night.
[UNKNOWN]: He had so many of your things to juggle.
[UNKNOWN]: So he comes out there thinking it's already been shown and it hadn't been.
[UNKNOWN]: So like,
[UNKNOWN]: Oh, that's what I just have the part of that out there because like why would you be watching the show when you know I think it's what I'm saying I think he's already watched all these episodes like you can done the podcast yeah the podcast could have been done so that's why I think they were being in a views I'm going to be using a dipping personal I feel like what's crazy though is if you go and look at Apple and like Spotify I don't know how you're supposed to find all the numbers and Spotify like I don't know anything stuff right but on but on Apple podcasts you can find
[UNKNOWN]: all of like where you're ranking compared if you go to the TV film thing like I was really palm through your showing up at like one fifty this year one forty five I think our highest was like one one fifteen or something I was like damn that's really good we haven't been in there in a long time and then you can see like you know we get better we'll get better numbers on YouTube then like snuff and torches and no and no buffs then you go look over there on apple podcasts and they're ranked higher than you and and Jeff's podcast was always
[UNKNOWN]: But I don't know what that strictly based on total view count.
[UNKNOWN]: I think it's also based on like getting new followers, getting this, getting that, which you would make sense that you get followers for that podcast, but are people actually coming back and listening every time.
[UNKNOWN]: So part of this whole side tangent, Phil, I'm not an apple podcast.
[UNKNOWN]: Do they pay you money for putting your podcast on there?
[UNKNOWN]: No, not me.
[UNKNOWN]: They don't pay me nothing but Spotify, which is always why I put it on their later than you.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, we have a company now that helps us get ads, which if you're listening on Spotify, maybe I'll throw an ad in right now to bring your life, but like we do have a company that helps us get ads.
[UNKNOWN]: We are making some money.
[UNKNOWN]: Finally, that didn't start until right before 50.
[UNKNOWN]: Okay.
[UNKNOWN]: You were able to put your dollars on the podcast for everybody who's listening on the podcast portion.
[UNKNOWN]: That done the tangent.
[UNKNOWN]: I hope they come back.
[UNKNOWN]: I just don't think they're well.
[UNKNOWN]: But anyways, if they want you to be a great on fire co-host to tie it all together, he really would be.
[UNKNOWN]: He's hilarious to listen to.
[UNKNOWN]: He's got to be super knowledgeable.
[UNKNOWN]: He's one of the game twice.
[UNKNOWN]: But Tony does not come back for free.
[UNKNOWN]: He came back when he was a war for 40 K. So I need a minimum of 40 K. So I could put a fool in my house.
[UNKNOWN]: Tony had come back for free.
[UNKNOWN]: Anyway, a lot of that.
[UNKNOWN]: Tony and Cagagagagagagagagagagagagagagagagagagagagagagagagagagagagagagagagagagagagagagagagagagagagagagagagagagagagagagagagagagagagagagagagagagagagagagagagagagagagagagagagagagagagagagagagagagagagagagagagagagagagagagagagagagagagagagagagagagagagagagagagagagagagagagagagagagagagagagagagagagagagagagagagagagagagagagagagagagagagagagagagagagagagagagagagagagagagagagagagagagagagagagagagagagagagagagagagagagagagagagagagagagagagagagagagagagagagag
[UNKNOWN]: It was, it's kind of, it's not quite Tyson, but there's something about Tony that is really likable.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, even though he's aggressive, even though he's talking llama, even though he's yelling at people, even though he's getting people's faces and clapping their hands, he's so authentic that he's likable.
[UNKNOWN]: And he's not a bully in the way that Russell Hans is.
[UNKNOWN]: Now, I think that it's a hard thing to to understand until like I've never met Tony, but you see Tony going to this event.
[UNKNOWN]: You hear people talk about Tony, like people love Tony.
[UNKNOWN]: And I do think that there's there's there's a lot going on there.
[UNKNOWN]: He just happens to be a North Jersey guy who cannot turn it off for anybody.
[UNKNOWN]: And that's why he's great TV.
[UNKNOWN]: And that's why he's been on the traders.
[UNKNOWN]: He's been on A Uvers the world.
[UNKNOWN]: He's been on Survivor three times.
[UNKNOWN]: it makes sense that he's showing up despite the fact that he's not one of these like perennially on social media guys.
[UNKNOWN]: He doesn't care about that lifestyle.
[UNKNOWN]: He's not using this to try to build a platform.
[UNKNOWN]: He's using this because he likes playing the games and he wants to disappear and go live with his family.
[UNKNOWN]: He doesn't care.
[UNKNOWN]: And I just think that that is
[UNKNOWN]: So interesting, and that's why he's able to get the votes at the end and win in dominant fashion over somebody that everybody there probably thinks is a more pleasant person, but you ride rather hang out with Tony than whoa.
[UNKNOWN]: Oh, yeah, yeah, no, I'd rather meet Tony too as well.
[UNKNOWN]: And that and that's even if they all both were only only play Kaga, and I would say that has nothing to do with it helps the subsequent season to help.
[UNKNOWN]: But yeah, it's Tony so much fun.
[UNKNOWN]: He's so much fun every seeing these on and just like.
[UNKNOWN]: As a character, as I said earlier, I really like when I see people come back and they change and improve.
[UNKNOWN]: Tony is going to be proof that he comes back on game changes basically as a character of himself.
[UNKNOWN]: He's not worth talking about.
[UNKNOWN]: We talked about Sarah eventually, but when he comes back and wears the war, it's like clearly he has learned and is a different, more mature person but still Tony and I love seeing people come back and be better versions of themselves and not just be the same person again.
[UNKNOWN]: Which game are you prefer of Tony's you prefer this one or winners at war oh for entertainment this one but for strategy winners of war
[UNKNOWN]: interesting.
[UNKNOWN]: I'm really close on them.
[UNKNOWN]: I actually prefer this one for Mr. Tejik standpoint.
[UNKNOWN]: I think the way he was able to go back and forth on on everybody, fact that nobody knew who he was and he was still able to take such control of the game.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: I also think the fact that he was able to overcome like bad idle plays and all that stuff.
[UNKNOWN]: And I think that lie about the the super idol is just one of the all time.
[UNKNOWN]: All time great lies and he's coming up with that on the spot.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: He doesn't know that there should be a super
[UNKNOWN]: And some people will say, that's the only reason he got through.
[UNKNOWN]: No, Tony used that super idle to his advantage and made it so that people were terrified of him with it.
[UNKNOWN]: They didn't know exactly what it was.
[UNKNOWN]: It's not the only reason he got through.
[UNKNOWN]: He plays an amazing game.
[UNKNOWN]: I think it's, I think I've ranked, I rank it in the top five.
[UNKNOWN]: Both of his games, I've put in the top 10.
[UNKNOWN]: But I do put this on.
[UNKNOWN]: All right, so how many votes is he off from a perfect game fill?
[UNKNOWN]: Do you already know I know he has the one vote We'll get some vote.
[UNKNOWN]: Yep, and then I feel like this Tony get like I don't think Tony gets that many votes during the game.
[UNKNOWN]: What does he get like two votes three votes?
[UNKNOWN]: Believe it or not he six votes off a perfect game.
[UNKNOWN]: He gets five against him.
[UNKNOWN]: He gets one he gets one against from Spencer during the Tasha vote But really the big push you got Tony was when Morgan goes the pillow herself
[UNKNOWN]: when she goes he gets votes from Jeremiah Morgan Spencer and Tasha.
[UNKNOWN]: That was the push to got Tony was that episode and didn't work.
[UNKNOWN]: Which is great.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, but that was also after they had taken control by voting out Sarah.
[UNKNOWN]: Right.
[UNKNOWN]: But they're trying to get out Tony and just
[UNKNOWN]: Nope, he helped.
[UNKNOWN]: The thing is it could have all fallen apart after Sarah and it did not.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, Tony.
[UNKNOWN]: Tony was not the glue of his alliance, but he did enough.
[UNKNOWN]: He did enough to keep them together, but he was not, it was not, I think Trish was more glue, as she said, like I was calling people down for you.
[UNKNOWN]: Good for Tony, a lining of her, you know.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: Good for her as well.
[UNKNOWN]: She could have, if she had caught his crap, she could have gone further too.
[UNKNOWN]: I don't think Trish wins though, but yeah, I don't think Trish wins.
[UNKNOWN]: I think she has a chance against Tony, but honestly, I think the jury was very annoyed by Trish.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: Oh, fun facts about Trish of all people.
[UNKNOWN]: She was on snake and the grass.
[UNKNOWN]: so far, who was she on with?
[UNKNOWN]: I don't know.
[UNKNOWN]: She was on episode.
[UNKNOWN]: I think with no other survivors.
[UNKNOWN]: That show was not a lingerie.
[UNKNOWN]: That show was doomed when they decided to have a different cast every episode.
[UNKNOWN]: Where do you think Crony falls as a winner?
[UNKNOWN]: He's Kayaan game five three.
[UNKNOWN]: Okay.
[UNKNOWN]: That's where I have it.
[UNKNOWN]: By the way, I'm going to spoil that for everybody using a three.
[UNKNOWN]: I have it as three as well.
[UNKNOWN]: It's a top 10 one for sure.
[UNKNOWN]: Where do you think the season falls?
[UNKNOWN]: It's a two.
[UNKNOWN]: That on, yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: That's just behind here as villains.
[UNKNOWN]: Oh, of course.
[UNKNOWN]: Of course, let's survive a camp spot.
[UNKNOWN]: They could never do it here as we'll see.
[UNKNOWN]: We've talked about this.
[UNKNOWN]: They just can't.
[UNKNOWN]: Because they would just never live up to the first one and they know it.
[UNKNOWN]: So it says a lot about the show that they can't even, they're like, we can't live up to a normal legacy.
[UNKNOWN]: All right, well, that's Tony.
[UNKNOWN]: I think also as far as tribal was solid.
[UNKNOWN]: I'm American bad about it.
[UNKNOWN]: I think the best final tribal that five people here for me is between Cochrane and Mike Holloway.
[UNKNOWN]: I think I did between those two for best final tryables.
[UNKNOWN]: I agree.
[UNKNOWN]: I actually think they're two of, I mean, it's hard with this, but it's like, those are both top 10 tribal councils and we'll get to Mike and just a little bit here.
[UNKNOWN]: When Mike gets Dan to get back up and say, can I go back and say something?
[UNKNOWN]: I'm like, oh my god, this guy just needs to demolish this jury.
[UNKNOWN]: Um, yeah, we'll get to Mike in a little bit here.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, we will.
[UNKNOWN]: We got to get somewhere else first.
[UNKNOWN]: Sand, Laundel, Sir, Blood vs. Water to the inferior Blood vs. Water season.
[UNKNOWN]: But I'm sure everybody knows that.
[UNKNOWN]: I think, oh, the season is mid for me at best.
[UNKNOWN]: However, Natalie's winning game is impressive to me because it's not very often you see.
[UNKNOWN]: an aggressive woman win this game like let's I can one hand one hand and I'm trying to think like Sandra and Natalie Anderson I can't think of anyone else top of my head who's an aggressive game is pretty aggressive and we did say D in Savannah like yeah Savannah definitely is more aggressive D I think is less aggressive than Savannah so it's like again one hand on one hand who'd you say?
[UNKNOWN]: I think I who did I say I don't know can I said I think Kim I think Kim was just not negative purpose now I think a person
[UNKNOWN]: Scenality aggressive, I guess.
[UNKNOWN]: He doesn't have the personality.
[UNKNOWN]: You have to understand, too, though, Wes, we're in the Jersey era of survivor right now.
[UNKNOWN]: Tony's North Jersey, Natalie's North Jersey.
[UNKNOWN]: Mike Holloway's Texas, that's okay.
[UNKNOWN]: Jeremy is a returning player season, and then Michelle is Jersey.
[UNKNOWN]: So it's like three of your four winners of you go chronologically, are Jersey at this.
[UNKNOWN]: The show cannot cast enough people from California and the New York New Jersey area fell.
[UNKNOWN]: You look from both of those things.
[UNKNOWN]: Why am I not on the show, Wes?
[UNKNOWN]: You should be cast on the show because they're looking for you fill.
[UNKNOWN]: Survivor 42 leaked cast so far.
[UNKNOWN]: Everybody, if you look this up on the inside to viard.com, I think there's only seven aims really so far and three are from New York New Jersey.
[UNKNOWN]: And it's like, of course, brother is anybody going to be from Alaska?
[UNKNOWN]: I'm crossed to my fingers.
[UNKNOWN]: I hope so.
[UNKNOWN]: Why don't we go today and wrap it up representative.
[UNKNOWN]: I'm happy to see New York New Jersey coming up more now because New York New Jersey is still the most aggressive type of personality and that's what the show so desperately needs in this era and it's what it's so desperately has not had is these like aggressive aggressive personalities I mean Tony and Natalie are so much fun on TV now here's the one thing I will say with Natalie because I really recently watched San Juan doser
[UNKNOWN]: I like Natalie's game.
[UNKNOWN]: I think the internet has officially overrated Natalie's game to the point of me no longer like Natalie's game that much.
[UNKNOWN]: Natalie does nothing for the vast majority of this game.
[UNKNOWN]: However, from, let me get the exact number right, from final, I don't know, eight on,
[UNKNOWN]: Her game is absolutely perfect.
[UNKNOWN]: It's really the garlic booth.
[UNKNOWN]: So it's really fun.
[UNKNOWN]: Oh, the last third of the season.
[UNKNOWN]: She's great.
[UNKNOWN]: She's amazing.
[UNKNOWN]: Like there's no denying it.
[UNKNOWN]: Natalie is such a non-factor until Jeremy is voted out.
[UNKNOWN]: It's crazy.
[UNKNOWN]: Link, she's a non-factor.
[UNKNOWN]: And then what's funny is, after Jeremy goes, she's still kind of a non-factor in the next episode when Wes goes out with the two votes.
[UNKNOWN]: Everything else just happens.
[UNKNOWN]: It's really good.
[UNKNOWN]: What was that?
[UNKNOWN]: Stick to the plan.
[UNKNOWN]: And so for me, it's like, yes, she tells John, play your idol and John correctly plays his idol.
[UNKNOWN]: But at the end of the day, Natalie's game to me doesn't pick up until the end.
[UNKNOWN]: And I understand timing is a lot of it.
[UNKNOWN]: I just think people, what you realize when you rank the winners, Kim, Sandra, they always end up really close to the top.
[UNKNOWN]: I think what happens is a lot of the other winners that you rank highly tend to skew men.
[UNKNOWN]: So I think the internet tries to find like, who's the woman that we can say, no, this is the better winner.
[UNKNOWN]: And I think they've clanged on to Natalie Anderson.
[UNKNOWN]: And I think Natalie Anderson, the reason they're able to cling on to her is because her moves down the stretch are so good.
[UNKNOWN]: I mean, obviously, the Jacqueline, I don't play.
[UNKNOWN]: That's going to get her a lot of Jerry boats getting rid of John at the 222 vote.
[UNKNOWN]: That's going to get her some Jerry votes.
[UNKNOWN]: Like she plays a great game down the stretch that is showing.
[UNKNOWN]: But I think there's more consistent players.
[UNKNOWN]: on other seasons that play better games than Natalie, but I do think Natalie's game is very impressive.
[UNKNOWN]: I just think that there's better winners.
[UNKNOWN]: I also knock Natalie a little bit.
[UNKNOWN]: She's not as dominant as Kim and this cast might be as bad as Kim's and she really did benefit from Nadia going home first.
[UNKNOWN]: She really did benefit from Nadia would have dragged Natalie down and I could say that somebody who watched both their amazing race would have died.
[UNKNOWN]: that bickering, that bickering they do in the beginning of episode one, or as long as Noddy's there and they're doing their day zero, so you're seeing to them bickering the entire time as well, that would have tanked their games if they've reached the merge together, or gone to a Tribeswap together, I forget the season I think had Tribeswap.
[UNKNOWN]: If they had gotten together, people would have not put up with those two bickering all the time.
[UNKNOWN]: It's fun on TV by just can't see that working on Survivor.
[UNKNOWN]: She's is very one of them had to go.
[UNKNOWN]: One of them had to go
[UNKNOWN]: had Natalie Gahn would not have won, you know, I don't know.
[UNKNOWN]: But yeah, on the amazing race fill, if you okay, see if you watch her seasons, you saw the first one where the masonry's 21 specifically for those wondering, this is a fantastic season.
[UNKNOWN]: Natalie and Nadia are aggressive all always been long.
[UNKNOWN]: And it's like they literally is like they put to a survivor team in the midst of a new be amazing overseas.
[UNKNOWN]: And like strategically, a correct taking advantage of other people stealing money from others, literally taking that double you turn and making a single you turn by forcing other people to do their dirty work, black widow style, and then getting off clean.
[UNKNOWN]: And it's like, oh my gosh, like one of the best seasons of amazing receiver, and they don't win that season.
[UNKNOWN]: I can tell you, but like, I don't want to spoil it completely, they don't win the season.
[UNKNOWN]: I've lost the season though, wait, now I'm trying to rack my brain.
[UNKNOWN]: You just Google that one, Phil.
[UNKNOWN]: I don't want to spoil it, just get somebody wants to watch it.
[UNKNOWN]: They don't win, and I guess I spoiled that.
[UNKNOWN]: But like you would have known if they had won and been on survivor like that would have been.
[UNKNOWN]: They've been like, we want amazing race, they've been.
[UNKNOWN]: And I found them to be so obnoxious.
[UNKNOWN]: I really did.
[UNKNOWN]: I've found them to be so obnoxious that I really wasn't a fan of them at all.
[UNKNOWN]: Oh, that is a good season.
[UNKNOWN]: I remember that one.
[UNKNOWN]: Well, that is the great season.
[UNKNOWN]: See, we get the winter activities.
[UNKNOWN]: I couldn't stand them and then I watched them the second time I was so happy when they go out early.
[UNKNOWN]: And then when they were cast on this, I was like, oh, I don't need this.
[UNKNOWN]: I do like Natalie Moore on this season because we don't get the 20 energy.
[UNKNOWN]: I think the 20 energy is like really bad and I agree with you.
[UNKNOWN]: I don't think people, I don't think that if they ever got together, people would have worked with them.
[UNKNOWN]: Well, look, there's a lot of luck involved in everybody's game, so I'm not going to knock and everyone has it a lot of them.
[UNKNOWN]: Only has this, especially we just talked about him.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, we just talked about it right.
[UNKNOWN]: Natalie goes to one tribal council on the pre-merge.
[UNKNOWN]: One, it's the drew vote, so that's a nice, easy one.
[UNKNOWN]: She ends up when she does the tribe swah, um, what she ends up with, oh, she doesn't end up with the pairs.
[UNKNOWN]: But when she starts playing the game, the second half of the game, she wants Jeremy's gone.
[UNKNOWN]: It's like, okay, where do I pivot to it?
[UNKNOWN]: I'm going to go with Missy and Baylor, who have no idea how to play survivor.
[UNKNOWN]: And I'm going to go with Jacqueline and John, who, yes, they're going to control the game but at the end of the day, they also have no idea how to play survivor.
[UNKNOWN]: And Natalie, having the experience of playing a reality TV show twice at this point,
[UNKNOWN]: was so massive for her and she's going up.
[UNKNOWN]: It's not like boss and rob levels.
[UNKNOWN]: Okay, I'm not going to get to that.
[UNKNOWN]: But I almost look at this as another returning player win because Natalie had such an advantage having played on another TV show coming into this because the cast that they put before her, these weren't big survivor fans.
[UNKNOWN]: But she didn't really mention that was it.
[UNKNOWN]: Well, does she's not in eight women in 12 men?
[UNKNOWN]: So it was gender.
[UNKNOWN]: No, it's 10.
[UNKNOWN]: Ever because so the can in her sister dropped out the day before and they couldn't put in up another problem.
[UNKNOWN]: So was it 10 men in eight women in the season?
[UNKNOWN]: 10 to eight.
[UNKNOWN]: Okay.
[UNKNOWN]: So there was a gender imbalance, but they ended up making that work like by the end.
[UNKNOWN]: I think it was all women in Keith.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, the entire jury is people always say, it's like despicable that there's only one woman on the jury of this season.
[UNKNOWN]: It's because, yeah, the three other women are sitting at Final Three.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: The women did the best they could won the merch hit.
[UNKNOWN]: And that's part of Natalie's game.
[UNKNOWN]: So the thing is I think I don't know I wouldn't say this is a returning win But I will say that if you want to see Natalie one-point-o watch amazory 21 On amazory 24 they're the first her and naughty of the first boots.
[UNKNOWN]: It's one episode if you want to watch it I guess you're not getting it.
[UNKNOWN]: There's nothing a value there for them But 20 season 21 is like it's Natalie one-point-o.
[UNKNOWN]: This means like Natalie 1.5 because she hasn't played survivor yet
[UNKNOWN]: But then you get Natalie 2.0 on winners of war.
[UNKNOWN]: So like this to me is like 1.5.
[UNKNOWN]: Like the seeds were already there with all the aggressive strategic gameplay.
[UNKNOWN]: They did not want to show that usually doesn't have that.
[UNKNOWN]: Bostaraba is the same way.
[UNKNOWN]: Except Bostaraba and I are going to play it survive or when you want to amazing race.
[UNKNOWN]: He does a aggressive strategic gameplay.
[UNKNOWN]: They make the show more fun.
[UNKNOWN]: But then you get to know what it is and what it is on amazing race.
[UNKNOWN]: And they are like, they do not have a place survivor.
[UNKNOWN]: What are you doing?
[UNKNOWN]: It's like, how did, how was casting saying, you know, Keith and Whitney were so interesting.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: Another show.
[UNKNOWN]: I have a little bit of a cheat on her husband with you insane.
[UNKNOWN]: I have, I have Natalie ranked as the 10th best woman, which I know might like raise some, you know, ruffle some feathers, whatever people might not like that.
[UNKNOWN]: But I do have her ranked as the 10th best woman to ever would survivor.
[UNKNOWN]: So that's where I stand on her.
[UNKNOWN]: There are some sloppy elements to it we have Darrell here saying Natalie yelling at the baseball guy was fun like Natalie is a hothead and I think that actually is part of why she's such compelling TV it's similar to Tony but Natalie's able to kind of work her way out of these like situations just because of.
[UNKNOWN]: the pairings and stuff.
[UNKNOWN]: It really worked out for her when you start getting down to the end game.
[UNKNOWN]: What is it you have?
[UNKNOWN]: Josh and Reed both make the merge.
[UNKNOWN]: Allie.
[UNKNOWN]: Allie doesn't.
[UNKNOWN]: It's John and Jacqueline.
[UNKNOWN]: Josh and Reed, Baylor and Missy, and West and Keith.
[UNKNOWN]: So you're talking 8 of the final 11 are in pairs.
[UNKNOWN]: and then one of the really impromptus for fibers.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, it's just, it's so interesting this season.
[UNKNOWN]: And so, again, I'm not really like trying to knock Natalie.
[UNKNOWN]: I'm just saying I think the internet wants to cling to Natalie being better than she is.
[UNKNOWN]: I still think she's a great survivor player.
[UNKNOWN]: I also get,
[UNKNOWN]: way too many unironic, not trolling comments about how Natalie has the best average placement of any two-time player.
[UNKNOWN]: And I'm like, you all need to just get out of here, like as quickly as possible.
[UNKNOWN]: I mean, it's, yeah, one and a half place.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: Our average place is just shown.
[UNKNOWN]: Michelle's is too.
[UNKNOWN]: Joe's is two and a half, this was saying, but it's like she was voted out first and winners at war stop giving me this non-frolling non-ironic, not up here.
[UNKNOWN]: So with Natalie, another thing worth mentioning is she was only three votes off a perfect game and all three of them where I filed tribal, it's almost like the design of this season, the theme of the season.
[UNKNOWN]: I mean, don't be wrong, Tyson got into a situation where.
[UNKNOWN]: Like he could have gotten every vote, so it's not necessarily, but it doesn't make it harder to clean sweep the jury.
[UNKNOWN]: And now, and with this jury could not clean sweep it, Baylor was never not going to vote for her mom.
[UNKNOWN]: What's a Jacqueline Getshee, I want from John, of course.
[UNKNOWN]: She gets it from Reed as well.
[UNKNOWN]: Which is another thing.
[UNKNOWN]: I got into a lot of arguments on the internet during the bracket from Dalton Ross I didn't shame a weekly being like there's no way Natalie Anderson should be winning She'd be Tony and like whatever one it was and I was like you guys are crazy It's it was people being like well, they she only didn't get reads vote because he didn't want Missy to win I'm like you guys just create stories
[UNKNOWN]: in your minds and then and then attach them, attach fact to it.
[UNKNOWN]: It's like stop that.
[UNKNOWN]: Don't don't do this.
[UNKNOWN]: Like the read did not vote for Natalie.
[UNKNOWN]: Read voted for Jacqueline.
[UNKNOWN]: So there is one vote that wasn't a family member that Natalie Anders did not get.
[UNKNOWN]: But that's the only vote I'll knock against her.
[UNKNOWN]: So like, you three votes off technically from perfect game, but really one vote because those two, she was never getting John or Baylor's votes, one vote off and it's like, that's impressive.
[UNKNOWN]: And I gotta give Natalie credit, where do you think she ranks as a winner amongst all 50?
[UNKNOWN]: And yes, the internet did rank.
[UNKNOWN]: Of course, so I'm going to say I didn't go out on the street and get people's ranks.
[UNKNOWN]: I guess nine.
[UNKNOWN]: I already said a nine close eight.
[UNKNOWN]: She's one.
[UNKNOWN]: She's one with a damn.
[UNKNOWN]: She's one spot about JT, which I disagree with that's crazy.
[UNKNOWN]: She's one spot below Tyson, which I disagree with.
[UNKNOWN]: Well, her enticing be close to each other on my nine.
[UNKNOWN]: It's just JT being a nine.
[UNKNOWN]: I don't agree with.
[UNKNOWN]: No, that's what I'm saying too.
[UNKNOWN]: I think that's crazy, Tyson.
[UNKNOWN]: I have Tyson a few spots I had an Adelaide, but not like far ahead of Natalie.
[UNKNOWN]: If you would ask me in West, I don't know how you feel about this because I know that this ranking is coming from viewers in the internet and whatever.
[UNKNOWN]: I feel like my bottom 10, really it's like my bottom nine is pretty set in stone.
[UNKNOWN]: My top 10 is pretty set in stone.
[UNKNOWN]: If you were to tell me like, hey, you're 25 should change with your 19.
[UNKNOWN]: Whatever, like you could probably make a compelling argument to make me change that.
[UNKNOWN]: So like when I rank Natalie where I do on a different day, I might rank her 10 spots higher.
[UNKNOWN]: I might rank her three spots lower.
[UNKNOWN]: Like it's just like when how you felt at the time because I don't feel as strongly about her game as others do to you.
[UNKNOWN]: Are you on the boat that she beats Keith Nail or no?
[UNKNOWN]: Well, Keith gets west as vote, obviously.
[UNKNOWN]: Who's she saying next to?
[UNKNOWN]: Who's Keith replacing?
[UNKNOWN]: Missy?
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, let's say Missy's out there.
[UNKNOWN]: So it's Jacqueline Keith.
[UNKNOWN]: You're already, because he's not getting John's vote.
[UNKNOWN]: He's not getting west as vote.
[UNKNOWN]: Baylor probably votes not for Keith for being real.
[UNKNOWN]: I think Baylor votes for a woman.
[UNKNOWN]: I could be wrong.
[UNKNOWN]: could be wrong.
[UNKNOWN]: I think you missy vote together.
[UNKNOWN]: I think I can see.
[UNKNOWN]: Oh, you're right.
[UNKNOWN]: So maybe missy votes for Keith based on the story of the season that she's a sucker for men.
[UNKNOWN]: That was a story of the season to bail and votes withers.
[UNKNOWN]: Maybe they both vote Keith West votes Keith.
[UNKNOWN]: That's three votes you need five to win.
[UNKNOWN]: I don't know if there's a cake sure.
[UNKNOWN]: There's a case for Keith.
[UNKNOWN]: If Keith won't have been a fun win, but it wouldn't have been strategically satisfying like Natalie's was.
[UNKNOWN]: Agreed agree, but I think people miss how close Keith was to winning the season and you could say like no, if Keith's at the end Natalie wins that, but when you look at the jury again, this is an all male jury with the exception of bailer now if you put Missy over there, Missy now takes up Keith spot, but like, Wes is definitely voting.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: I mean, it's easy to quote every Jacqueline, because I'm most of Jacqueline.
[UNKNOWN]: That's too much Jacqueline.
[UNKNOWN]: So I keep interrupting you.
[UNKNOWN]: I'm just leaving it through the jury.
[UNKNOWN]: No, go ahead, you go because I know I was what was happening was every time that I thought you were gonna take a breath, thank you to art and then I was just saying that.
[UNKNOWN]: No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no
[UNKNOWN]: Or you know like I don't know like I don't think Jacqueline still doesn't win and that's the situation where Keith's on the file for you and what's interesting is I think it's an eight person jury I think you're looking at a three three two potentially
[UNKNOWN]: And we don't know what the tiebreaker is yet fill because I think it's during game changers for some reasons had to be in the edited show during game changers They say hey just let you know if there's a tie boat at Final 3 the third person picks the winner Like okay, so what was the rule before that?
[UNKNOWN]: You know why they say it there though?
[UNKNOWN]: You know why I say it there then film ghost I don't get so tell me know they had no they had not
[UNKNOWN]: Really?
[UNKNOWN]: Yes.
[UNKNOWN]: When they film game changers and Jeff said those words and film ghost.
[UNKNOWN]: No, no, but the reason the reason that it's in the show that makes the cut.
[UNKNOWN]: Oh, sure.
[UNKNOWN]: That's what happened and go sound.
[UNKNOWN]: I bet you he said that in a lot of other seasons.
[UNKNOWN]: Because I think argument on the podcast, especially when Aubrey was taking on Michelle,
[UNKNOWN]: It was a big argument where people were like, what would happen, what would happen, what would happen?
[UNKNOWN]: I'm like third place with people kept saying, I was an idiot, they didn't know what it's talking about.
[UNKNOWN]: And then ended up being the timer.
[UNKNOWN]: I mean, that was always the most common sense.
[UNKNOWN]: Tybreaker.
[UNKNOWN]: I think the reason they put it in the edit of 34 is because at that time, 36 had wrapped filming and they... No, okay, so Phil track me here.
[UNKNOWN]: I think they say it's beginning game changers, but who cares?
[UNKNOWN]: Let's say they say it at the end of game changers' fill.
[UNKNOWN]: Okay.
[UNKNOWN]: Game changers ends on TV.
[UNKNOWN]: Sorry.
[UNKNOWN]: Game changers.
[UNKNOWN]: No, you're right.
[UNKNOWN]: No, you have to.
[UNKNOWN]: No, you're wrong.
[UNKNOWN]: Gamechangers, ends on TV, made 24th, 2017.
[UNKNOWN]: They start filming Ghost Island a week or two later to be quick.
[UNKNOWN]: So there is a gap.
[UNKNOWN]: They didn't know yet.
[UNKNOWN]: So why announce it, right?
[UNKNOWN]: Why?
[UNKNOWN]: What was the rule before?
[UNKNOWN]: How come Dalton Ross can't get an answer about what the tie would have been, tie breaker would have been.
[UNKNOWN]: That's what I want to know.
[UNKNOWN]: That's what he drew.
[UNKNOWN]: Well, tie breaker.
[UNKNOWN]: I don't know.
[UNKNOWN]: That's very interesting.
[UNKNOWN]: Wow, I just assumed it was because it goes down and it filmed, but no, you're right.
[UNKNOWN]: That makes sense.
[UNKNOWN]: If you binge it, you probably wouldn't, why would you look up the filming dates?
[UNKNOWN]: But when you're back, okay, you're like, no, they didn't even know yet.
[UNKNOWN]: So like, what was the rule?
[UNKNOWN]: Why didn't they really come true?
[UNKNOWN]: What was about to tie Sarah?
[UNKNOWN]: That's what it was.
[UNKNOWN]: What was the rule?
[UNKNOWN]: And why did they say there's a rule change when they don't say rule changes for everything else?
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, you know, that's crazy.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, um, Natalie's best move.
[UNKNOWN]: Are you on the alley train of this?
[UNKNOWN]: Are you on the John, the John blind side of this?
[UNKNOWN]: Are you on the playing the idle for Jacqueline side of this?
[UNKNOWN]: There's so many good moves.
[UNKNOWN]: Honestly, I taught my head.
[UNKNOWN]: I did recently make a video for her.
[UNKNOWN]: That's on my Patreon along with, um, Mike Holloway and Jeremy.
[UNKNOWN]: We're all these winners we're about to talk about.
[UNKNOWN]: Her best move taught my head.
[UNKNOWN]: I couldn't tell you her best move.
[UNKNOWN]: She had a lot of good moves.
[UNKNOWN]: I don't know her definitive best move was.
[UNKNOWN]: What do you think, Phil?
[UNKNOWN]: What do you have?
[UNKNOWN]: I'm looking at my notes for a Voxypah had something.
[UNKNOWN]: I think for me, I probably go with the John blind side
[UNKNOWN]: But the thing is, John was so, I don't want to be mean, but like John was so stupid in that moment, and he just was so unaware of what was happening around him that I almost think really the moment that she takes control of the game and that it's very clear that Natalie has this is when she decides, like when it's like, okay, Alex gonna go home at this point.
[UNKNOWN]: Natalie Missy, Keith and Baylor vote out, Alec in that tribal.
[UNKNOWN]: And then the next episode she does the 222, ends up voting out John to the one, and then is able to flip it around.
[UNKNOWN]: I mean, it's weird because she makes three great moves down the stretch.
[UNKNOWN]: Like three amazing moves, because what was very compelling about this is,
[UNKNOWN]: the move that she makes on John, a vote him out.
[UNKNOWN]: Now Jacqueline and John are pissed, but now she's around in saves Jacqueline.
[UNKNOWN]: So now John has to have a smile on his face at the jury because it's like, oh, she blindsided me, but she's still protecting my woman.
[UNKNOWN]: We're going to enter to the end.
[UNKNOWN]: And so she does a really good job with her jury management with these.
[UNKNOWN]: I think it's the John move.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, John needed to go.
[UNKNOWN]: The show was in love with John too in the edit.
[UNKNOWN]: And maybe it's reflecting what was on the island I don't know.
[UNKNOWN]: When we saw that Missy loved John in a non-romantic way, where they're like, why he's so attached to John, Missy?
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, but it was your deal.
[UNKNOWN]: Of course, then you got guys flirting with Jacqueline when Jacqueline's literally with John.
[UNKNOWN]: It is a whole thing with those two.
[UNKNOWN]: Uh, but yeah, I don't, I don't defend it fast move, honestly, any of her good moves are could be a definitive best move, and I think it's fair argument.
[UNKNOWN]: Her worst move, uh, as well is another one.
[UNKNOWN]: I'm like, I think ever, I don't know if there's anything definitively the worst, like, she was never in my opinion on the verge of going home.
[UNKNOWN]: No, her worst move in my opinion is going at John Rocker as early as she did.
[UNKNOWN]: And I know people are like, worked.
[UNKNOWN]: I mean, it was risky, but it worked.
[UNKNOWN]: It kind of worked.
[UNKNOWN]: It worked for her because her tribe never went to tribal council.
[UNKNOWN]: Like, she goes to one tribe on the entire pre-murder.
[UNKNOWN]: I think that's why it was more beneficial to her.
[UNKNOWN]: I, if it's not that, it is definitely being as dumb founded as she is when Jeremy goes home.
[UNKNOWN]: She has no idea that that is coming.
[UNKNOWN]: And it's not really like, oh, she made a misstep.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, she totally left out of that.
[UNKNOWN]: She didn't know about, yeah, I actually Jeremy going for sure could be her worse move because that was a close ally of hers pays off the winners of war because he doesn't vote for Tony votes for Natalie.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, I was Jeremy and Tony being close.
[UNKNOWN]: I love that that season has a guy who goes to final seven or something, voting for the first person voted out of the season, a win the season.
[UNKNOWN]: Winners at war love it.
[UNKNOWN]: I hate winners at Warman.
[UNKNOWN]: I don't hate it.
[UNKNOWN]: I just don't like it.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, all right.
[UNKNOWN]: Let's move on because we got to talk about my Callaway who while he is not beloved Phil.
[UNKNOWN]: I'll give you a heads up there on the rankings.
[UNKNOWN]: I Personal top 10 winner for me and I know that his win makes a season more predictable
[UNKNOWN]: It works.
[UNKNOWN]: Mike, Mike is a very suitable winner.
[UNKNOWN]: It would have been one thing if he wasn't, if he was like Rodney who pulled off the same win.
[UNKNOWN]: Like Rodney's funny, but like I would have been emotionally satisfying is not the word I'd give a Rodney win or Dan win or Carolyn win.
[UNKNOWN]: I mean, maybe the shows are added differently if one of them win.
[UNKNOWN]: But no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no,
[UNKNOWN]: He's awful.
[UNKNOWN]: He's a mom.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, he was clearly recruited and I know so many people are recruited, but his was more obvious than others.
[UNKNOWN]: He was at a gas station.
[UNKNOWN]: You must know.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, I do.
[UNKNOWN]: You know, that whole fake scenario that he was a part of.
[UNKNOWN]: I do think it wasn't Will Sims like didn't even like replace him a last minute to like using meant to be on the season.
[UNKNOWN]: I think they had something else cast and he replaced.
[UNKNOWN]: I could be wrong in that.
[UNKNOWN]: I forget what it is.
[UNKNOWN]: The one thing I will say, though, and I'm a, I do not like Shireen.
[UNKNOWN]: So I've just, I've said that throughout the entirety of this show, since all the way back in Roosevelt part, I do not like Shireen.
[UNKNOWN]: Will Sims goes way too hard on Shireen, but then the show focuses on Dan Foley, because the show is more worried about the appearance of the show than they are about actually protecting the women on their shows, which is just, you know, I just have to say this, like the way Jeff treats Dan Foley at the end of the game.
[UNKNOWN]: Uh, at the reunion is to speak all the text survivor.
[UNKNOWN]: It's to protect survivors, because then he turns around and he's, oh, Dan's misogynists, we don't have time for misogyny.
[UNKNOWN]: This, that whatever, and then he brings out a birthday cake for Rodney and doesn't have a question Rodney about all the misogynists shit.
[UNKNOWN]: He says throughout.
[UNKNOWN]: Now granted, I love world's a part.
[UNKNOWN]: Okay, I really do.
[UNKNOWN]: I love world's a part.
[UNKNOWN]: I think that it's a great cast because the villains lose.
[UNKNOWN]: But my thing is I don't like sharing, but one of my favorite moments of that entire season is at the reunion when will Sims wife.
[UNKNOWN]: is screaming from the crowd at Cherine because Cherine is like still going at will and Wilson's wife is in the crowd.
[UNKNOWN]: I'm like, yeah, all man, you know that she has just been stewing on this shit for so long.
[UNKNOWN]: I love these clearly in Wilson's camp and like, I think they're both.
[UNKNOWN]: And this is, we're here to talk about Mike.
[UNKNOWN]: I don't want to get into this.
[UNKNOWN]: Because we can talk about this the whole entire time.
[UNKNOWN]: Mike, what makes Mike emotionally sad, is when emotionally satisfying though, partially is because the show makes you side with screen.
[UNKNOWN]: Whether you do or not fail, the show is intentionally trying to make you side with screen so that you side with Mike, because they want you to root for Mike, because Mike stops and stops the bullying.
[UNKNOWN]: There's a secret scene showing them looking through that,
[UNKNOWN]: Chester, whatever, by the way, leads to the bullying, where they're like, they're in him, Jen and Sharina are like, there could have been more in here.
[UNKNOWN]: We should go ask Will.
[UNKNOWN]: There could definitely could have been more in here.
[UNKNOWN]: It's a pretty big chest, and it's like they're not wrong.
[UNKNOWN]: The Chester wasn't stacked full.
[UNKNOWN]: It was had space in there, but yeah, Will just goes off.
[UNKNOWN]: The thing is, Mike's already entertaining for the first episode when he eats the scorpion, and he doesn't feel good after eating it.
[UNKNOWN]: But it works like you like Mike from the beginning.
[UNKNOWN]: He's like, Dan, you want to be a good guy or bad guy with his bag decision that they have at the beginning of Episode 1.
[UNKNOWN]: And the end of choosing the right bag, but then what's your name?
[UNKNOWN]: Sierra Don Thomas Gain, fan favorite game changer, Sierra Don Thomas.
[UNKNOWN]: that can't be the large bag and it's like like you knew Mike had made the right decision or them you know the good decision was tribe so it's like very room for Mike from beginning you know he's a hero and so when the auction happens it's definitely like yeah we all know what he was intending to do and he's like oh I can't do that I gotta be I can't I would never do that tell you guys no you definitely were about to do it and you just thought about it too late
[UNKNOWN]: Oh yeah, definitively the worst move is the auction, but it makes this season better because Mike goes from like in a pretty good spot, probably was going to be snifed after Joe Anglum.
[UNKNOWN]: to, oh my gosh, he's the underdog definitively.
[UNKNOWN]: But like, it hasn't that bad move, but it never makes you feel like Mike's a villain.
[UNKNOWN]: You know, like he was going to do it.
[UNKNOWN]: He had enough doing it.
[UNKNOWN]: It makes everyone else look worse with how they treat him from there on out.
[UNKNOWN]: Now, do you know?
[UNKNOWN]: Because Mike was voted into second chance.
[UNKNOWN]: Jeff says that at the reunion, he says, somebody just moved up his spot.
[UNKNOWN]: Do we know who that tenth person was?
[UNKNOWN]: Do we know who the person is?
[UNKNOWN]: Because people forget Mike Holloway got voted into second chance.
[UNKNOWN]: That's how popular he was at the end.
[UNKNOWN]: I know that people have kind of lowered and soured on Mike's wings.
[UNKNOWN]: I think it's two one know, but I'm going to get into that with you here, Wes, about why I agree with you.
[UNKNOWN]: That Mike's win is very underrated.
[UNKNOWN]: I think Mike's win is fun to watch.
[UNKNOWN]: I really, so the thing is I saw I have some bias here.
[UNKNOWN]: He's openly Christian, but also he's he literally is fought him and his wife or fostering children.
[UNKNOWN]: I think I think he've adopted.
[UNKNOWN]: I think they just recently adopted like just recently dead.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, him and me.
[UNKNOWN]: Okay, so I also my wife and I also foster and we just
[UNKNOWN]: You want to see yourself reflected in the show and why I see Mike like I don't physically see myself like I'm not in shape like Mike is, but I do see myself in my flaws and all when I see Mike so I that's that's why I said it's all personal bias might stop 10 like I get why people don't like him, but
[UNKNOWN]: I don't know.
[UNKNOWN]: When you see yourself in the show, it's kind of fun.
[UNKNOWN]: Like, I see my, a little bit of myself and panor, but I see more of myself and Mike though I would never, I wouldn't win.
[UNKNOWN]: I could not win the same way Mike does.
[UNKNOWN]: I'm looking at the other man who didn't make it in.
[UNKNOWN]: I would say if the person, you think it's, it had to be Shane Powers, right?
[UNKNOWN]: No, because she was arguing about on the cast.
[UNKNOWN]: I think it was either savage or Terry.
[UNKNOWN]: Oh, some of you didn't get in.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, you're, I think you're right.
[UNKNOWN]: And but the show had to already.
[UNKNOWN]: They already knew Mike wasn't giving in.
[UNKNOWN]: So oh, yeah, they already knew.
[UNKNOWN]: But Jeff says that.
[UNKNOWN]: And so I do think that like I would love to know what the actual one through 10 was on.
[UNKNOWN]: I bet you sad it was I was savage, I think Terry deets was more popular and then savage ends up being absolute gold on that season.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, no, almost every single and that whole vote for the cast is almost like an end the hands of the fans, but like we did have some decision, I'll give them that, but it was clear who they wanted all the season.
[UNKNOWN]: They just put together a good ballot.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: It was a ballot.
[UNKNOWN]: I, I, I want to talk positively about Mike's game here.
[UNKNOWN]: I, I, I, I look, I actually have been ranked lower than Natalie Anderson.
[UNKNOWN]: Um, but I want to talk positively about Mike's games.
[UNKNOWN]: I don't think that people do enough.
[UNKNOWN]: I know that people say, well, he needed to win five immunities.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, very clutch that he did.
[UNKNOWN]: Also, though, if you look at the game that Mike plays from the time of the title, any plays of the title, yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: So he's not eligible to go home for what the final six.
[UNKNOWN]: I think votes of this season, but here's the thing.
[UNKNOWN]: Sometimes you could sit there and say, oh, he needed all these immunity wins.
[UNKNOWN]: Is it that impressive?
[UNKNOWN]: Whatever.
[UNKNOWN]: Mike says the right things to every single person on that island.
[UNKNOWN]: And they are all so terrible at survivor that he cannot break through on any of them.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: They're totally mean to him, even though he's like, being nice.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, he tells Dan exactly what's going to happen.
[UNKNOWN]: And Dan misplays his extra vote in the most tragic fashion, because he just does not have a thought in his brain and won't listen to Mike.
[UNKNOWN]: And Mike added, yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: And Mike does the same thing to Sierra and he says it's a Tyler and he says it's a
[UNKNOWN]: is correct.
[UNKNOWN]: And yes, he needs to win immunities, but that's only because the people he was playing with were literally playing horrible survivor.
[UNKNOWN]: They were playing so poorly that they did not understand that Mike was somebody who could be used to benefit their game and said they just ostracized them.
[UNKNOWN]: That's on him.
[UNKNOWN]: If this was a Tony season, Tony would have picked up Mike
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, and that's why they all lose, and that's why they don't get it and they're all dumbfounded and Mike wins five in a row and like Wolfiox says here, it's impressive when five straight challenges winning five straight individual community challenges is insane and I don't know why we don't He won five, but it wasn't my straight he had to play an idol somewhere in there.
[UNKNOWN]: So he wins five out of six, you're right.
[UNKNOWN]: He wins five.
[UNKNOWN]: I know that, but I just don't think it's five in a row.
[UNKNOWN]: Because he had to play as a child.
[UNKNOWN]: It's five of the last six immunity challenges.
[UNKNOWN]: He loses the one, Mama C wins and then they vote out Tyler because he plays the idol.
[UNKNOWN]: And they all just vote on him because they don't think he has to go.
[UNKNOWN]: Exactly.
[UNKNOWN]: Because they don't think and like they don't.
[UNKNOWN]: It's so interesting to me.
[UNKNOWN]: that people want to like, you know, if you make these great strategic moves, you're seeing as a better winner.
[UNKNOWN]: But if you win a moon, it is your not.
[UNKNOWN]: And the show got away from that.
[UNKNOWN]: And it's like the one way to guarantee that you're going to be safe is to win a moon to use.
[UNKNOWN]: To win five out of six, find an idol play and idol successfully.
[UNKNOWN]: And be successful for all of that.
[UNKNOWN]: That's not because Jeff and production want you to succeed.
[UNKNOWN]: That's because you're operating at a higher level.
[UNKNOWN]: I'm impressed by that.
[UNKNOWN]: And then you turn around and you get all these votes from all these people who hated you anyway.
[UNKNOWN]: because really they had no reason that they you made one mistake and then they just closed you off the like you said earlier the final travel council performance is incredible.
[UNKNOWN]: Mike is proof that you don't need firemaking file for firemaking.
[UNKNOWN]: This is right for the implement it for forcing it because it's like Rodney and Carolyn do fire which is just a disaster firemaking as
[UNKNOWN]: They swap out flints like three or four times, break a flints or whatever.
[UNKNOWN]: Mike's proof that you don't, they didn't need to do that.
[UNKNOWN]: They seem to design their immunity challenges in a way that encouraged the winners they wanted.
[UNKNOWN]: And we wouldn't have noticed, maybe we would have.
[UNKNOWN]: We wouldn't have noticed it was so blatant because the fire making is a clear blatant change to get the certain kind of winners they want or to have the kind of gameplay they want.
[UNKNOWN]: But if they just design the immunity challenges in a way that
[UNKNOWN]: Also got to mention Sumo C was the last season we just talked about San Juan del Sur band.
[UNKNOWN]: Jeff's on the on fire podcast that's banned.
[UNKNOWN]: Can't do it anymore.
[UNKNOWN]: We'll do it anymore.
[UNKNOWN]: Why I think we saw it even though that is a challenge because I guess risk of injury even though the only injury we saw was on blood Versoir with Tyson was arm and it was like a half-assed injury that he milled so that people think he was less of it didn't yeah Didn't last very long.
[UNKNOWN]: I don't know.
[UNKNOWN]: It's a it's a challenge though that would go hand in hand with so many seasons these verse of seasons It's like the reverse glyco to an fantastic season to have that challenge for these didn't do it.
[UNKNOWN]: Don't forget Baylor cuts her lip to
[UNKNOWN]: Oh, remember that?
[UNKNOWN]: That's not for eyeing and creating.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: Can't have people cutting and lip on survivor fill?
[UNKNOWN]: That's too dangerous.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: Also, I got to mention our challenge at Apparently's Band.
[UNKNOWN]: I just found out somebody coming down the channel I went looked it up.
[UNKNOWN]: The challenge where Tiffany didn't lift her foot fast enough was like, I called for you to see or whatever.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, Jeff just announced.
[UNKNOWN]: They're never doing that again.
[UNKNOWN]: So get this fill, color me shocked when I went back and watched winners of war, and saw that they did the challenge differently.
[UNKNOWN]: And the way they did it, when it's a war, is the correct way of doing it to not have the issue.
[UNKNOWN]: They had a 50, like they forgot how to do it.
[UNKNOWN]: So in between transitions, everyone sits on the on the thing.
[UNKNOWN]: And then Jeff says, I'm going to count you into standing up on this thing.
[UNKNOWN]: And that's it.
[UNKNOWN]: And then when Adam doesn't stand up fast enough, he's out.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: Why?
[UNKNOWN]: Why was there a trade?
[UNKNOWN]: Why is there a live transition?
[UNKNOWN]: Just everyone sit there butts down and then have them stand up again.
[UNKNOWN]: Because we lost a lot.
[UNKNOWN]: We've lost the plot West.
[UNKNOWN]: I just they it's so it crazy me when the show does something correctly and then does it wrong later and they're like, well, we can't do it anymore.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, but you already knew how to do it correctly.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: Like the auction is almost back to normal in 50, but it's like you already had it done it
[UNKNOWN]: How'd you go from an A to an F?
[UNKNOWN]: And then you're like, well, can't do any more thing on F. But you did the A before, just do the A again.
[UNKNOWN]: Why are you failing?
[UNKNOWN]: Why are you flunking?
[UNKNOWN]: It's nothing you already asked.
[UNKNOWN]: I don't understand.
[UNKNOWN]: So anyways, Mike, I love Mike this season.
[UNKNOWN]: He's a great character.
[UNKNOWN]: The seasons painted as a movie.
[UNKNOWN]: It really is, it's almost like Chris Doratry in that way, except Chris Doratry didn't win.
[UNKNOWN]: I didn't even win in movies, but it wasn't the same type of win.
[UNKNOWN]: His was more social.
[UNKNOWN]: Mike's was like the whole time, like you're saying, telling people what's going to happen.
[UNKNOWN]: Hey, you need to do acts, especially the Dan.
[UNKNOWN]: They have like screw you, Mike's screw you, Mike, when you did that thing.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, that was the end of the line for me.
[UNKNOWN]: And then at Final Tribal Council, Mike, while IP is being completely genuine, finally says that Dan, what Dan wanted to hear, which was an apology, good for Mike.
[UNKNOWN]: I might humble themselves, because I think Mike was being legit.
[UNKNOWN]: I don't at all get any sense that he was pulling Chris Doratry and saying, Julie, Julie, I didn't mean to hurt you, like whatever Chris.
[UNKNOWN]: Ha ha ha ha ha ha.
[UNKNOWN]: I, um, I mean, it never gets better than that for me, him doing that into lying and then believing it.
[UNKNOWN]: No, Mike was being, Mike was being legit and the thing was, Mike was trying to apologize to everybody throughout the season, but nobody wanted to talk to him.
[UNKNOWN]: They didn't even want to listen to him.
[UNKNOWN]: They were so disgusted by his antics and how could we be around him?
[UNKNOWN]: And
[UNKNOWN]: like if you if you look at Mike's game Mike is supposed to be the blue collar all American hero type and he like he does get to that level but it's all because of everybody else just not wanting to do anything with him he has so here's the thing with Mike Mike gets blindsided right at the merge when Jim plays her idle and hands up losing Kelly who's his closest ally he's all excited to play with Kelly
[UNKNOWN]: The thing is, like, might make great moves.
[UNKNOWN]: Deciding to vote out Joe before Jen, when you know that Jen is essentially quitting.
[UNKNOWN]: That's a great move.
[UNKNOWN]: Deciding to vote for Tyler when everybody's bullying the hell out of Shireen.
[UNKNOWN]: And you vote for Tyler instead and you stand up for Shireen.
[UNKNOWN]: That's a great move.
[UNKNOWN]: playing the idol so Tyler goes home like and and convincing everybody that you don't have it so they don't try to do some crazy votes play and people kind of forget that moment he gets mama C and C are in a both vote for Tyler as well.
[UNKNOWN]: But Mike didn't bring Rodney on a reward for his birthday fell.
[UNKNOWN]: I know what it does rock rock me on the beach can't believe doing dishes on my birthday.
[UNKNOWN]: He's like
[UNKNOWN]: Mama see says she's my mom or whatever, like these people say in my family, they're not my family.
[UNKNOWN]: They're not and the only person going to file three is me and he's genuine about it.
[UNKNOWN]: And Rodney is so like he's a mess, but when he's funny, he's funny.
[UNKNOWN]: He's his imitation of Mike doing Mike's voice like, oh, he's perfect daddy.
[UNKNOWN]: He's so good at it.
[UNKNOWN]: His mic voice is like a character, but it's also dead on at the same time.
[UNKNOWN]: Like it's so close.
[UNKNOWN]: And then he does the thing with this face and like his arms as he's doing it Rodney, it's a shame that Rodney kind of like went off the deep end in real life because Rodney, I mean, look, he's super great to bring back, I think.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, he's just some messed up stuff on the show, but Rodney is so entertaining and honestly like I'd watch Rodney again.
[UNKNOWN]: What?
[UNKNOWN]: So, but I'm going to say this, you know what Mike's best move
[UNKNOWN]: I think so because when he gets Rodney with him, Rodney doesn't have a choice, but to think he's like, okay, now I'm back with you guys because Rodney actually is playing a much better game than people think he was, but once Joaquin went, it made it set Rodney and nowhere to turn but Mike and Will as we see later in the season, but he doesn't know will at this point.
[UNKNOWN]: So I think that might be the best move, and that's the one that really
[UNKNOWN]: puts it so that Mike does have some control even when his closest ally gets blindsided at the first travel council of the merch.
[UNKNOWN]: Does Rodney beat Mike if Rodney wins fire?
[UNKNOWN]: He's still thinking it was okay.
[UNKNOWN]: That was a big conversation that we had, but I think that Rodney's final travel performance wouldn't have been great.
[UNKNOWN]: I think his firemaking performance is so bad that people wouldn't have voted for him and I think that the women know shot they vote for Rodney.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: He, do you think Mike can get Rodney's vote if he takes Rodney on reward for his birthday now?
[UNKNOWN]: I don't think I'm atters.
[UNKNOWN]: I think we'll, I think we'll, I think we'll, that's Ronny knows, no matter what.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, just the whole birthday thing is hilarious, the entire time.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: No, my heart times a watch the season, never gets old.
[UNKNOWN]: It's funny every time.
[UNKNOWN]: It works.
[UNKNOWN]: So, well, the music works, like Ronny is Jen, because they're so genuine, there's no like, it's a bit, it's not like I'm doing this for TV.
[UNKNOWN]: No, this is, this is genuine anger.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, genuinely believes these people should be taking him on a war for his birthday.
[UNKNOWN]: I know, it's a very important part of it.
[UNKNOWN]: It's one, so as always, you can tell what season I've recently watched.
[UNKNOWN]: When there's a war, Nick, Nick was like, why are they targeting me on my birthday?
[UNKNOWN]: And all I got was Rodney Flashbacks.
[UNKNOWN]: Why would they target me on my birthday?
[UNKNOWN]: I didn't know birthday was immunity and reward fill.
[UNKNOWN]: That's what I didn't know before survivor.
[UNKNOWN]: Meanwhile, like people, I think early seasons, people were going to vote it on their birthday like crazy.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, I think, I think, Cochrane pulled that was a lie on camera.
[UNKNOWN]: What?
[UNKNOWN]: It was a lie that his birthday.
[UNKNOWN]: So they're like, oh, Cochrane, your birthday.
[UNKNOWN]: It wasn't his birthday's like in January or something.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: So, yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: The birthday thing, I didn't know it was so important.
[UNKNOWN]: But I guess in a social game, any care of person, that's the key you care about them.
[UNKNOWN]: You don't want to ruin your birthday.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, you got to care.
[UNKNOWN]: You got to care with their birth and drop.
[UNKNOWN]: Nobody cares about his birthday Mike just fantastic game where do you think it ranks though amongst the fans they don't think he's as 38 wow no 31 he ranks right about jam jam and right below Sophie.
[UNKNOWN]: Okay.
[UNKNOWN]: I can see the soapy thing.
[UNKNOWN]: I can see the jam jam thing like personally Mike Mike wasn't in our bottom 20 Mike is going to be in our next episode.
[UNKNOWN]: So like Mike is in the 21 to 30 range, which I think is where Mike belongs.
[UNKNOWN]: Like I understand you have the personal relationship with him.
[UNKNOWN]: That's kind of like.
[UNKNOWN]: You know, we always rank Adam very highly.
[UNKNOWN]: He was a fan of our podcast before he was on the show, which is a big deal for us.
[UNKNOWN]: Adam has a very touching story.
[UNKNOWN]: We'll talk about him tomorrow.
[UNKNOWN]: That is also true.
[UNKNOWN]: And we'll talk about that tomorrow morning.
[UNKNOWN]: But like, I think like, you know, you rank Mike Huy, because you have that personal relationship there and that personal, you know, feeling, I feel like Mike in that, you know, 20 to 30 range is about, right?
[UNKNOWN]: So 31, honestly, it's a little bit higher than I thought.
[UNKNOWN]: I see all the time on the internet now, you see him as like one of the worst winners.
[UNKNOWN]: Which I don't agree with.
[UNKNOWN]: I do see why people don't like the season where do you think the season ranks?
[UNKNOWN]: 40, close 42, right below 44, speaking of Jan.
[UNKNOWN]: Right below 44, and right above Nicaragua.
[UNKNOWN]: I think reals apart is better than the rank it's been given.
[UNKNOWN]: I think it should be in the 30s.
[UNKNOWN]: I don't know what how it's in the 40s.
[UNKNOWN]: I don't agree with that at all.
[UNKNOWN]: I think the season's better, but also I get, so Mike for these top 10, I think about being on bias, like I was just looking at it, he's entertaining.
[UNKNOWN]: Um, and while he does have to win immunities, he does win immunities.
[UNKNOWN]: It's not like things he's finding in the forest.
[UNKNOWN]: He's out there winning challenges.
[UNKNOWN]: And he ultimately does convince the jury both from any didn't need production interference or production surprise to make it happen.
[UNKNOWN]: I think he's a better than Ben Dreeberg and like he is the better version of Ben Dreeberg and I wish Mike had been on when there's a war and I agree.
[UNKNOWN]: I could not have given up at Final Five.
[UNKNOWN]: No, sure.
[UNKNOWN]: I could tell you that.
[UNKNOWN]: Mike would not have just fallen over backwards for Sarah Licina to bolster her game, like Ben did.
[UNKNOWN]: Ben wanted Mike would have made friends.
[UNKNOWN]: And he would have played hard.
[UNKNOWN]: And Mike absolutely could have won that season.
[UNKNOWN]: Like people don't think that Mike has a mind for the game because he won so many of the communities.
[UNKNOWN]: But again, it's the conversations he was having with everybody.
[UNKNOWN]: He was telling them what was going to happen and what strategic move they should make.
[UNKNOWN]: And they just wouldn't listen to him.
[UNKNOWN]: I have this season ranked 18 out of the first 33.
[UNKNOWN]: I think this season is supremely underrated.
[UNKNOWN]: Yes, I think it's underrated.
[UNKNOWN]: I think it's a mid tier season personally.
[UNKNOWN]: I think it's a mid tier season, but I also am a sucker for Mike White, or a sucker for Mike White.
[UNKNOWN]: No, not sucker for Mike White.
[UNKNOWN]: I do like him, it's not for him.
[UNKNOWN]: Mike, Mike, my call always, all right.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: Again, I've been watching you out at a lot of 50 stuff too lately.
[UNKNOWN]: So how far off is he from a perfect game?
[UNKNOWN]: Mike, yes, and his other thing.
[UNKNOWN]: He was six votes off of a perfect game.
[UNKNOWN]: Of course, he missed the Rodney voting for Will.
[UNKNOWN]: Sierra, see a game, yeah, it's fanfare a game changer, Sarah Dalton's office, put me for Mama C. And then throughout the game, Mike got four votes against him.
[UNKNOWN]: And it was where the four, when he played his idol.
[UNKNOWN]: Before the auction, he was golden, but then when Joe Anglin went, it did seem like Mike was,
[UNKNOWN]: Maybe he wasn't gonna go right away but he was going to go.
[UNKNOWN]: So once Joe went and then he went down on him Unities, it was perfect timing across the board.
[UNKNOWN]: Well, and you could make the argument that Mike actually screwing up might have been better for his game because I do think they would have tried the blind side him at some point.
[UNKNOWN]: I think he would have probably caught win just because they weren't the best players.
[UNKNOWN]: But Tyler was actually the one who was running that season very quietly behind the scenes.
[UNKNOWN]: Very quietly.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, I think Tyler very much could have pulled gotten enough people to pull a blind side on Mike.
[UNKNOWN]: that he had such a massive red target on him that there was nothing anybody was going to do.
[UNKNOWN]: Also, it's being said in the comments, but I don't know if this top three, theme three of the show.
[UNKNOWN]: Sorry, top three theme of the show.
[UNKNOWN]: But I think like Mike being the better Ben, I think this is a better version of the same idea of heroes versus healers versus hustlers, like this is a better idea than that.
[UNKNOWN]: Like that is a lesser idea, and I think Ben's a lesser winner than Mike.
[UNKNOWN]: I'm not talking with them as humans individuals outside the show,
[UNKNOWN]: It's like that whole season is a lesser version of world's apart for me.
[UNKNOWN]: World's part is the period of season, superior theme superior winner, despite having so many similarities.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, no, I mean, I agree with you.
[UNKNOWN]: I mean, we ranked my higher than then, almost across the board on our non-superior location, though.
[UNKNOWN]: I think Negragua never looks good, and this last time they're in Negragua, it's the last time they're there.
[UNKNOWN]: It's not a beautiful looking season, but that is a that last challenge.
[UNKNOWN]: is one of the coolest.
[UNKNOWN]: Oh my gosh, the one we have to walk with is mom.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, these you're high effort.
[UNKNOWN]: Oh yeah, all the time.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, I don't look, was that the last channel?
[UNKNOWN]: No, that's the second, the last one, that's at five.
[UNKNOWN]: No.
[UNKNOWN]: The last one is one of them to go with the ladders and down the slaw dates epic.
[UNKNOWN]: Oh yeah, they kind of do that again, a game changers.
[UNKNOWN]: One Brad Callpepper builds the lighthouse.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: So anyways, sorry, you just go high effort with your challenges.
[UNKNOWN]: I think that I do see being budget, but Phil, why can't they do the ball?
[UNKNOWN]: Whatever the sim motion thing is, why can't they do that at sunset?
[UNKNOWN]: And I'll let you know, the sun does set behind that location of the rat.
[UNKNOWN]: That was, that is a perfect location for a sunset challenge and they just haven't done it.
[UNKNOWN]: And I'm like, why not?
[UNKNOWN]: Like that is a beautiful, and it's the final child's sunset, that child's sunset.
[UNKNOWN]: Make it happen survivor.
[UNKNOWN]: That's where the sun sets in Fiji.
[UNKNOWN]: I've been there.
[UNKNOWN]: That's exactly where it sets.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, very good to me.
[UNKNOWN]: I don't know why they don't want to do anything at night or anything like that.
[UNKNOWN]: That doesn't require more money.
[UNKNOWN]: It doesn't require more money.
[UNKNOWN]: It just requires creativity.
[UNKNOWN]: So, all right, anyways, anything else is there soon.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, anything else on these?
[UNKNOWN]: No, I'm ready to talk tomorrow.
[UNKNOWN]: Again, tune in everybody.
[UNKNOWN]: We're going to talk about Jeremy through Ben Dreeberg and I do like Ben.
[UNKNOWN]: I'm just saying Mike's a better band for those wondering what my thoughts about.
[UNKNOWN]: We only have four episodes of this left.
[UNKNOWN]: I've tomorrow only three left.
[UNKNOWN]: Um, so yeah, everybody make you tuning to that tomorrow.
[UNKNOWN]: Like this video, subscribe to the channel.
[UNKNOWN]: If you made it this far along, please do those things.
[UNKNOWN]: I mean, Wes, we're talking tomorrow.
[UNKNOWN]: So, I mean, there's no way you think I'm going out between now.
[UNKNOWN]: I'm also releasing a video tomorrow, but it's part of the YouTube took down 50 plus videos.
[UNKNOWN]: So, bossar on Marquesis, I ended up doing, I had to redo it, so I redo it.
[UNKNOWN]: Bossar on Marquesis goes up tomorrow on the channel.
[UNKNOWN]: Almost a complete remake, not a complete remake, but almost a complete remake from the original video.
[UNKNOWN]: So, it's almost brand new.
[UNKNOWN]: It's boss and Rob.
[UNKNOWN]: Who doesn't like boss and Rob, right?
[UNKNOWN]: Who doesn't.
[UNKNOWN]: Fill you can't say anything else.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, I'm just not going to talk.
[UNKNOWN]: Now we're all good.
[UNKNOWN]: Um, can you believe I have 10 different Boston raw videos because that's when he shows and stuff he's been on reality shows.
[UNKNOWN]: I mean, it makes sense.
[UNKNOWN]: Honestly, he was right on the traitors.
[UNKNOWN]: Like, let's be real.
[UNKNOWN]: He was the only reason why I was still no deal island that season.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: That was also good.
[UNKNOWN]: I mean, that made deal or no deal island get a second season.
[UNKNOWN]: So it did.
[UNKNOWN]: Um, but all right, everybody, well, thank you all so much for listening.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, we'll see you tomorrow at noon, Eastern time.
[UNKNOWN]: Otherwise, like this video, subscribe and we'll see that.
[UNKNOWN]: Bye.