WEBVTT 00:00.402 --> 00:12.485 [SPEAKER_00]: Tonight, I can report to the American people and to the world, but the United States has conducted an operation that killed Osama bin Laden, where we continue to follow the capture and killing of Osama bin Laden now. 00:12.525 --> 00:18.687 [SPEAKER_06]: There's just some of the scenes overnight, a thousands of Americans gathered in some operation Osama bin Laden's death. 00:19.047 --> 00:24.869 [SPEAKER_03]: Former Navy SEAL Roboniel says he has thought about the mission every day since that Mayday in 2020. 00:25.029 --> 00:32.352 [SPEAKER_01]: in multiple conversations you had with Rob O'Neill over the past year and a half, how did you describe that his head kind of exploded? 00:32.432 --> 00:32.772 [SPEAKER_05]: Yes. 00:33.032 --> 00:37.154 [SPEAKER_04]: I actually hit him three times, so I shot him twice when he was standing and once I was doing it. 00:37.214 --> 00:38.815 [SPEAKER_01]: That is the fucking American man. 00:38.835 --> 00:39.755 [UNKNOWN]: He's the one who got there. 00:40.096 --> 00:43.717 [SPEAKER_04]: We are not going for fame, and we are not going for bravado. 00:44.557 --> 00:54.502 [SPEAKER_04]: We are going for the single mom who dropped her kids off at elementary school on a Tuesday morning, and then 45 minutes later, she jumped toward death out of a skyscraper. 00:55.258 --> 00:58.141 [SPEAKER_02]: your need help, hang up, and then dive your operator. 00:58.682 --> 01:01.725 [SPEAKER_04]: I'm Rob O'Neill, and this is the Operator Podcast. 01:13.778 --> 01:16.019 [SPEAKER_04]: Here's the one I was talking about. 01:16.619 --> 01:21.281 [SPEAKER_04]: Okay, this is gonna be, this is an interview with Morgan LeRett, who's a Blackwater dude. 01:21.521 --> 01:25.983 [SPEAKER_04]: And actually, his, his, his handle on Instagram is Blackwater dude. 01:26.003 --> 01:26.624 [SPEAKER_04]: I think funny. 01:26.764 --> 01:27.224 [SPEAKER_04]: Great book. 01:27.484 --> 01:30.145 [SPEAKER_04]: I read it, I read his book. 01:31.046 --> 01:33.207 [SPEAKER_04]: When it was called, welcome to Blackwater. 01:34.332 --> 01:38.535 [SPEAKER_04]: and a great book has changed to guns, girls, and greed. 01:38.995 --> 01:42.637 [SPEAKER_04]: But I'm going to let him tell the story, but it's all because Blackwater was this crew. 01:43.097 --> 01:44.718 [SPEAKER_04]: You look at him now and it says mercenary. 01:45.038 --> 01:53.583 [SPEAKER_04]: The story that actually happened was crazy how it was just a range and then all of a sudden dudes and how to use a range, guys that train and then they need diplomatic security. 01:53.603 --> 01:57.606 [SPEAKER_04]: And I rack in 040506-07 that turns into the wild wild west. 01:57.626 --> 01:59.367 [SPEAKER_04]: Wouldn't like no shit, the wild wild west. 01:59.727 --> 02:06.252 [SPEAKER_04]: And he got these black water dudes mostly Americans fighting al-Qaeda and fighting Shea and McTahd al-Saudar-Saudar City. 02:07.373 --> 02:11.495 [SPEAKER_04]: The war that went on, the blood that was lost, the people hung from bridges than they just ended. 02:12.396 --> 02:12.916 [SPEAKER_04]: People were there. 02:12.936 --> 02:13.357 [SPEAKER_04]: It was real. 02:13.377 --> 02:14.858 [SPEAKER_04]: But here's Morgan the Red Man. 02:14.878 --> 02:16.399 [SPEAKER_04]: This is a really cool story about black water. 02:16.419 --> 02:17.760 [SPEAKER_04]: So enjoy this episode of the Opera. 02:18.763 --> 02:26.890 [SPEAKER_04]: Give me a second right now to talk about a new sponsor of the operator podcast called stash, because your finances are important. 02:26.930 --> 02:28.411 [SPEAKER_04]: You don't learn a lot of that growing up. 02:28.431 --> 02:34.236 [SPEAKER_04]: They try in the military, but if you serve or you've ever served, the only constant that you know is change. 02:34.256 --> 02:40.461 [SPEAKER_04]: You get new orders, new everything, new base, new vehicles to buy and all that stuff. 02:40.481 --> 02:45.725 [SPEAKER_04]: With stash, 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06:50.258 --> 06:50.899 [SPEAKER_04]: What is up? 06:50.979 --> 06:55.944 [SPEAKER_04]: Like I just said, uh, very excited about today's conversation on the operator podcast. 06:55.964 --> 06:57.806 [SPEAKER_04]: This is Morgan, the Red Morgan, what's up, dude? 06:58.426 --> 06:59.367 [SPEAKER_04]: I'm just living the dream. 06:59.387 --> 07:00.148 [SPEAKER_04]: Thanks for having me. 07:00.248 --> 07:02.590 [SPEAKER_04]: I've been excited to talk to you for a while. 07:02.751 --> 07:05.333 [SPEAKER_04]: I think I think that we DMed years ago. 07:05.573 --> 07:06.214 [SPEAKER_04]: I'm sure we did. 07:06.514 --> 07:06.835 [SPEAKER_05]: We did. 07:07.175 --> 07:13.461 [SPEAKER_04]: And it was about the book because, uh, I saw, I saw, I saw, um, welcome to Blackwater. 07:14.543 --> 07:20.172 [SPEAKER_04]: And I saw the reviews that people were really pissed off and didn't like you, I knew I would immediately love you. 07:20.553 --> 07:22.556 [SPEAKER_04]: So I'm glad we finally got you on the show. 07:23.478 --> 07:24.940 [SPEAKER_05]: That's what we said at Blackwater. 07:24.960 --> 07:27.585 [SPEAKER_05]: If you didn't get fired one or two times, you were probably a shithead. 07:29.418 --> 07:32.820 [SPEAKER_04]: What so, uh, I mean, back in the day back because we're getting old. 07:32.840 --> 07:41.145 [SPEAKER_04]: You can see a little bit of silver in the fairs of what up, but back in the day back on the wars were started in a special O3 people knew what black water was, I rack black water. 07:41.165 --> 07:44.668 [SPEAKER_04]: Can you kind of get into the what black water was what black water became and what it is? 07:45.448 --> 07:57.114 [SPEAKER_05]: So Blackwater got started right after Columbine and they were essentially just like a shooting facility and a training facility out in Molyak, North Carolina, which if you've ever been there, it's just like the asshole of the United States. 07:57.394 --> 07:59.896 [SPEAKER_05]: It is the most disgusting human place of the planet. 08:00.436 --> 08:10.922 [SPEAKER_05]: So that's where they got started and then when the wars kicked off, not to get too deep into the history, but essentially George W. Bush was like, I don't want to be seen as an occupier, 08:11.582 --> 08:21.389 [SPEAKER_05]: So as soon as we could, when we got in Afghanistan and Iraq, we handed that over to their interim government, and they said, now it's a diplomatic mission, poof the work on. 08:22.250 --> 08:31.477 [SPEAKER_05]: So in order to actually have diplomats going around and help rebuilding the country, they put out an RFP in black waters like, hey, we got guys that can protect these yahoo's in a combat zone. 08:31.953 --> 09:01.760 [SPEAKER_05]: And Eric Prince just started calling up his buddies and then buddies calling buddies and the next thing you know, he had something like 500 guys on the ground and also we were doing was protecting diplomats all the way from senators colon pop all down to low level diplomats that were helping them learn how to like create spreadsheets and do the stock market and collect trash I mean it was and it was a wild west like we are not under the UCMJ we're not under local Iraqi law we didn't know what laws we were under they gave us diplomatic passports which was a huge mistake. 09:02.421 --> 09:08.287 [SPEAKER_05]: So if that's what Blackwater did in the early days, there is so much to unpack there because 09:10.172 --> 09:12.973 [SPEAKER_04]: If you listen to the media, we were sending mercenaries. 09:13.013 --> 09:14.613 [SPEAKER_04]: No shit. 09:14.973 --> 09:16.273 [SPEAKER_04]: I know a lot of the guys. 09:16.714 --> 09:23.075 [SPEAKER_04]: I remember we'd have dudes from sealed team four, especially one platoon and the money came in and guys got out. 09:23.775 --> 09:35.658 [SPEAKER_04]: And I think that it was a diplomatic protection mission, but that doesn't that sound like something a diplomat would say when they're sending former no-shit shooters into fucking 09:38.673 --> 09:43.222 [SPEAKER_04]: Because Blackwater started off as just a range in Moja, North Carolina. 09:44.000 --> 09:52.026 [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, and for the most part, the guys that got strong up in Falucia, they were actually under a KBR contract. 09:52.146 --> 09:56.109 [SPEAKER_05]: And I have no idea what they were doing, but it was under Department of Defense KBR. 09:56.129 --> 10:00.032 [SPEAKER_05]: And then, you know how it works, you got a contract and a subcontract and a subcontract. 10:00.933 --> 10:09.539 [SPEAKER_05]: So that's the first time anybody heard about Blackwater was in 2004, and the guys got hanged off the bridge, got rest of their souls. 10:10.260 --> 10:11.661 [SPEAKER_05]: And then the next thing you know, my buddy, 10:13.342 --> 10:16.364 [SPEAKER_05]: Hey, I'm gonna go work for Blackwater and I was like cool man. 10:16.384 --> 10:22.049 [SPEAKER_05]: He's like you want in and I said I'm not really like I just watched the news dude And he's like don't worry. 10:22.069 --> 10:22.649 [SPEAKER_05]: I'll get you in. 10:22.689 --> 10:26.172 [SPEAKER_05]: I don't I never thought I'd hear from this guy again Yeah, really is later. 10:26.212 --> 10:28.293 [SPEAKER_05]: I get a call and they're like hey, I'm from Blackwater. 10:28.313 --> 10:28.874 [SPEAKER_05]: You want a job? 10:29.454 --> 10:44.228 [SPEAKER_04]: What was the first offer because I remember that was the thing we I mean we even when I got over to seal team six They were pissed up my selection course about the select course before cuz guys got the seal team six shit And then all of a sudden they're worth instead of 800 bucks a day There were 1200 bucks a day. 10:44.268 --> 10:46.410 [SPEAKER_04]: What was the initial ask like what was what set? 10:46.430 --> 10:47.571 [SPEAKER_04]: What was the holy shit moment? 10:48.272 --> 10:54.597 [SPEAKER_05]: So the for the diplomatic stuff it was 500 bucks a day and then it was a 10% bonus at the end. 10:54.617 --> 10:56.939 [SPEAKER_05]: You get $3,000 on Christmas and Thanksgiving. 10:57.600 --> 11:00.362 [SPEAKER_05]: So as we're all in, you're looking at about 200,000 bucks a year. 11:00.823 --> 11:04.325 [SPEAKER_05]: And then we had Graystone, those are the guys that protected this EIA guys. 11:04.365 --> 11:05.426 [SPEAKER_05]: Those guys got paid. 11:05.647 --> 11:06.687 [SPEAKER_05]: I think 800 bucks. 11:07.128 --> 11:10.711 [SPEAKER_05]: But the early blackwater guys, like you were talking about in 04 before. 11:10.791 --> 11:13.133 [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, that's what that's what I'm talking about. 11:13.153 --> 11:15.355 [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, you're talking 12, 1500 bucks a day. 11:16.255 --> 11:18.237 [SPEAKER_05]: And but it was soft skinned. 11:18.277 --> 11:19.117 [SPEAKER_05]: It's no support. 11:19.197 --> 11:23.060 [SPEAKER_04]: I mean, oh, there's nothing but yeah, because I would I remember that too. 11:23.260 --> 11:40.592 [SPEAKER_04]: Oh, a bunch of dudes a bunch of dudes came to team for first deployment was to Afghanistan, which around that time it was not a lot of war going on, so you get a combat deployment, then they got out and all of sudden they're they're fighting into job, but they're making the good money and they would come back and it's it's almost one of those going back. 11:40.652 --> 11:44.434 [SPEAKER_04]: If I'm a single guy in my early 20s, I'm doing that again, 11:46.255 --> 11:48.836 [SPEAKER_05]: Oh, 100%, I mean, it was a young man's game. 11:48.976 --> 11:52.317 [SPEAKER_05]: Well, it was a young man's game and an old man's game. 11:52.337 --> 11:55.537 [SPEAKER_05]: And I've heard you talk about like the pockets, right? 11:55.637 --> 12:02.959 [SPEAKER_05]: So if you weren't in Somalia, you weren't in Desert Storm and you trained from like 1993 all the way up to 2001. 12:03.059 --> 12:03.820 [SPEAKER_05]: Oh, yeah. 12:04.320 --> 12:06.300 [SPEAKER_05]: You had all these guys that were specially trained. 12:06.340 --> 12:08.761 [SPEAKER_05]: You were Rangers, your SF, your seals, and all that. 12:09.161 --> 12:11.862 [SPEAKER_05]: And they got out thinking, man, I did, you know, I trained all this time. 12:11.902 --> 12:12.982 [SPEAKER_05]: I don't get my war on. 12:13.462 --> 12:21.903 [SPEAKER_05]: And then blackwater came out and said, and we'll pay you 550, I think by the end, I was making almost 700 bucks a day, and they were like, it's time to go get my adventure. 12:22.064 --> 12:31.245 [SPEAKER_05]: Like, it was the perfect concoction, this cocktail of money, adventure, and everything that you didn't get to do during the war, let's do it. 12:31.485 --> 12:33.966 [SPEAKER_04]: What about like setting your own schedule? 12:33.986 --> 12:36.206 [SPEAKER_04]: You can do that too, right? 12:36.226 --> 12:42.287 [SPEAKER_05]: So the first contract, the early contracts were crazy, there were two months, and then you could set your own schedule. 12:43.553 --> 12:46.614 [SPEAKER_05]: And then the contract I signed was three months. 12:46.834 --> 12:49.195 [SPEAKER_05]: And the sky went over there, did us three months and popped out. 12:49.235 --> 12:51.355 [SPEAKER_05]: And they were like, holy shit, we can't have those guys. 12:51.395 --> 12:54.476 [SPEAKER_05]: So it turned into you do your first six month pump. 12:55.136 --> 12:57.617 [SPEAKER_05]: And then after that, you could pretty much set whatever you wanted. 12:57.637 --> 12:59.858 [SPEAKER_05]: You could do two months on, three months off. 13:00.018 --> 13:02.118 [SPEAKER_05]: You could do two and two. 13:02.218 --> 13:04.079 [SPEAKER_05]: But the minimum was always a couple of months. 13:04.199 --> 13:07.320 [SPEAKER_05]: But yeah, you could go home as much as you wanted after you did that. 13:07.520 --> 13:29.835 [SPEAKER_04]: Now, what guys would like, I know some dudes that the guys are going to be team guy forever and ever getting married all that shit and then they go over there, I guys have got out of six, do a couple months in there, they're going to live in Paddy Beach, Thailand, go right back, go over like, that is, what kind of RNR first, I'm just talking like, I'm living in my cariously through single guys that I'll never be again in my life, what was, what was I go through, go through a month of a single dude. 13:30.235 --> 13:31.655 [SPEAKER_04]: But we'll go into the history for this. 13:31.955 --> 13:34.676 [SPEAKER_04]: Let's pretend the listeners right now know what a mercenary is. 13:34.876 --> 13:39.117 [SPEAKER_04]: You're young, you're single, you're 26 years old, a little bit of military experience making 700 bucks a day. 13:39.137 --> 13:41.518 [SPEAKER_04]: What's it look like and I rack around 05? 13:42.338 --> 13:44.918 [SPEAKER_05]: I mean, around 05 was just absolutely crazy. 13:44.938 --> 13:48.039 [SPEAKER_05]: Because yeah, it was like the rooster would crow. 13:48.059 --> 13:50.880 [SPEAKER_05]: The mortars would come in and that was like your wake up. 13:50.940 --> 13:51.980 [SPEAKER_05]: And you go get breakfast. 13:52.580 --> 13:56.781 [SPEAKER_05]: And then after breakfast, it's really like the opposite of the military. 13:56.861 --> 13:57.761 [SPEAKER_05]: It's like show up. 13:58.322 --> 13:59.002 [SPEAKER_05]: Have your shit on. 14:00.682 --> 14:05.344 [SPEAKER_05]: And everybody would show up 9.30, 9.45, get their kid on, and then we're rolling. 14:05.524 --> 14:10.747 [SPEAKER_05]: And you know, every once in a while there'd be like, it was actually a former seal team guy's name was Dean. 14:11.267 --> 14:14.988 [SPEAKER_05]: He's like running after the combo and because he missed our our P time. 14:15.609 --> 14:19.110 [SPEAKER_05]: And if you work like big boy rules, nobody's checking for your water. 14:19.590 --> 14:21.091 [SPEAKER_05]: Nobody's making sure you got your kid. 14:21.231 --> 14:22.772 [SPEAKER_05]: It's like get your ass in, get out. 14:23.332 --> 14:25.955 [SPEAKER_05]: go do two, three runs depend on what team you were doing. 14:25.995 --> 14:32.083 [SPEAKER_05]: So you've worked a couple hours and then after that it's, you know, it's poker time or it's pool time or it's whatever you want to do. 14:32.203 --> 14:37.950 [SPEAKER_05]: So I was like, I was a pool like, oh, dude, it's a Dom's pool was fucking amazing. 14:38.771 --> 14:41.013 [SPEAKER_05]: It's like the nicest resort you've ever seen. 14:41.093 --> 14:42.334 [SPEAKER_05]: It's a 12-foot pool. 14:42.755 --> 14:43.976 [SPEAKER_05]: It's got a lot of statues. 14:43.996 --> 14:47.660 [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, and it had a diving board that had a low dive and a high dive. 14:48.141 --> 14:48.321 [SPEAKER_05]: Really? 14:48.341 --> 14:49.983 [SPEAKER_05]: Actually, a funny story. 14:50.263 --> 14:55.629 [SPEAKER_05]: We were out there at the pool, and we looked like Baywatch, like the gay version of Baywatch, because it's all dudes. 14:55.649 --> 14:57.551 [SPEAKER_05]: We're oiled up, looking all nice. 14:57.851 --> 15:00.033 [SPEAKER_05]: And somebody's like, let's play water polo. 15:00.894 --> 15:03.696 [SPEAKER_05]: And I swam on swim team. 15:03.756 --> 15:04.376 [SPEAKER_05]: It was fine. 15:04.757 --> 15:07.558 [SPEAKER_05]: But you'd like all the SF guys would like hang out in the shallow end. 15:07.858 --> 15:09.339 [SPEAKER_05]: And I was like, I'm going to the deep end. 15:09.359 --> 15:10.040 [SPEAKER_05]: I used to swim. 15:10.680 --> 15:16.604 [SPEAKER_05]: I grabbed the ball and this former seal guy comes up, grabs my shoulders, pushes me down 12 feet to the bottom. 15:16.664 --> 15:17.685 [SPEAKER_05]: And I'm like looking up. 15:18.525 --> 15:21.206 [SPEAKER_05]: and he's staring at the ball like a fucking lavador of a trader. 15:21.906 --> 15:24.807 [SPEAKER_05]: And I'm sitting there holding the ball and I'm like, why the fuck am I holding this guy damn ball? 15:24.827 --> 15:26.347 [SPEAKER_05]: And I let it go and he's gone, dude. 15:26.367 --> 15:35.450 [SPEAKER_05]: He was like, so I mean, that was a regular day and then usually on Thursday nights we party by the pool because you don't have the restrictions for alcohol. 15:35.930 --> 15:41.912 [SPEAKER_05]: So you'd have all these military people out there and then just let's black water guys get and waste it on Thursday nights. 15:42.792 --> 15:46.253 [SPEAKER_05]: And then Friday was like sleep it off and Saturday was let's go again. 15:46.993 --> 15:57.160 [SPEAKER_04]: Well, as far as like chain of command, because I know there's some veterans who are actually listening right now, like I know that pissed guys off, but you guys are, you guys are, you're a business. 15:57.200 --> 15:58.200 [SPEAKER_04]: What kind of shit with it? 15:58.220 --> 16:00.702 [SPEAKER_04]: Well, I know guys got tightened up like, hey, not that shit off. 16:00.722 --> 16:03.344 [SPEAKER_04]: What was that like, just a, what do you got like a boat crew leader, a shift leader? 16:03.364 --> 16:04.204 [SPEAKER_04]: You got a team leader? 16:04.604 --> 16:07.746 [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, you just had a team leader, and even then it was loose. 16:07.886 --> 16:13.430 [SPEAKER_05]: The guys that had the hardest time figuring it out were like the retired military, like that's a big armor gap. 16:13.610 --> 16:24.433 [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, so the big army like command serge majors would come in, they take over a team and they would like try to run it like like you were in the army and you got a bunch of guys that don't give a shit. 16:24.713 --> 16:35.715 [SPEAKER_05]: So I mean, team leaders will come in would fire a left and right have like many mutemies and then they go work in the op shop and then sooner or later you get a cool dude there was run in the team, but that was it. 16:35.775 --> 16:40.116 [SPEAKER_05]: I mean, it's not like you wouldn't get him to for anything if we didn't like you just put somewhere else. 16:40.217 --> 16:41.637 [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, yeah, that other team. 16:42.317 --> 16:42.697 [SPEAKER_04]: That's it. 16:42.717 --> 16:43.818 [SPEAKER_04]: Welcome to Capitalism. 16:43.838 --> 16:47.541 [SPEAKER_04]: I, the funny thing to see where it went because it's when it started, we went down there. 16:47.561 --> 16:53.365 [SPEAKER_04]: I was at Seal Team 2, and it was like a couple static ranges, maybe some steel targets, and they had that bunkhouse. 16:53.866 --> 16:55.447 [SPEAKER_04]: And we did say in the bunkhouse, that's it. 16:55.587 --> 16:58.189 [SPEAKER_04]: Like, and then it started to grow into the contrast came in. 16:58.229 --> 17:00.971 [SPEAKER_04]: That's, I mean, it turned into a huge company. 17:00.991 --> 17:02.972 [SPEAKER_04]: I mean, billion billion dollar company. 17:02.992 --> 17:06.575 [SPEAKER_05]: Oh, yeah, multi-billion dollar company with just so many contracts. 17:06.655 --> 17:10.118 [SPEAKER_05]: And then, and then, you know, everybody kind of knows how that one ended. 17:10.518 --> 17:10.758 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah. 17:10.838 --> 17:11.039 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah. 17:11.339 --> 17:13.882 [SPEAKER_04]: Well, hey, let's how do you how do you get started there? 17:13.902 --> 17:16.765 [SPEAKER_04]: Because you you join the air national guard, right? 17:16.785 --> 17:18.347 [SPEAKER_04]: What's your tell your back story away from? 17:18.827 --> 17:20.909 [SPEAKER_05]: Oh, my my villain origin story. 17:21.810 --> 17:25.494 [SPEAKER_05]: So I grew up in a small town just a white trash kid. 17:25.535 --> 17:29.118 [SPEAKER_05]: You know, we were like those powdered milk children living in the trailer park. 17:29.699 --> 17:34.362 [SPEAKER_05]: Which was awesome because every other kid in the trailer park was just as, you know, screwed up as we were. 17:34.402 --> 17:38.265 [SPEAKER_04]: So we just thought, let's prop everyone special, no one special. 17:38.305 --> 17:41.608 [SPEAKER_05]: Where was this cottonwood Arizona and the metropolis. 17:41.648 --> 17:46.071 [SPEAKER_05]: So it's kind of it's in between Sedona and Phoenix. 17:46.631 --> 18:02.849 [SPEAKER_05]: Okay, so I grew up there and then, you know, we moved to Phoenix a little bit where the jobs were every year was like the switch apartments and as a kid I thought that that's just what you did you moved every year and then later it was like, oh yeah, we weren't paying our rent so now it makes sense. 18:03.089 --> 18:06.112 [SPEAKER_05]: I mean, we were just we were just like barrel children. 18:06.918 --> 18:11.582 [SPEAKER_05]: And I ended up going to high school in cottonwood. 18:11.762 --> 18:14.164 [SPEAKER_05]: I finished out high school and it's like, what are you doing cottonwood? 18:14.225 --> 18:17.187 [SPEAKER_05]: You're the work construction, or you figure out a way to get the hell out. 18:17.227 --> 18:19.449 [SPEAKER_05]: So I joined the International Garden 99. 18:20.918 --> 18:25.580 [SPEAKER_05]: And then Osama bin Laden was like, oh, I got different plans for, yeah, right? 18:25.600 --> 18:29.741 [SPEAKER_04]: So I heard a story that it was a true that your grandpa told you to join the Air Force. 18:30.362 --> 18:31.282 [SPEAKER_05]: Oh, 100%. 18:31.342 --> 18:32.082 [SPEAKER_05]: My grandfather. 18:32.823 --> 18:34.903 [SPEAKER_05]: So he joined the Army in World War II. 18:35.303 --> 18:37.704 [SPEAKER_05]: And then he went to the Navy right afterwards. 18:38.705 --> 18:42.286 [SPEAKER_05]: And ended up on his way to go get shortly on his way to California. 18:42.326 --> 18:44.367 [SPEAKER_05]: He stopped in cottonwood, met my grandma never left. 18:45.187 --> 18:45.847 [SPEAKER_05]: So no kidding. 18:46.248 --> 18:49.149 [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, so he was like, Morgan, if you're gonna go in, 18:50.187 --> 18:50.827 [SPEAKER_05]: going the air force. 18:50.847 --> 18:51.688 [SPEAKER_05]: They have the best food. 18:51.748 --> 18:52.748 [SPEAKER_04]: That's the story I heard. 18:52.788 --> 18:53.348 [SPEAKER_04]: I love the story. 18:53.388 --> 18:54.629 [SPEAKER_04]: I mean, your grandma didn't own that part. 18:54.649 --> 18:55.229 [SPEAKER_04]: That's incredible. 18:55.649 --> 18:56.009 [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah. 18:56.049 --> 19:02.852 [SPEAKER_05]: So I mean, that was honestly them all the thought I put into it was like, oh, all right, food better food. 19:02.892 --> 19:06.453 [SPEAKER_04]: And then you then you got, you actually got to Iraq with with the air force correct? 19:07.273 --> 19:07.573 [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah. 19:07.593 --> 19:11.275 [SPEAKER_05]: So with O3, we came in during the ground offensive just south of Al-Nazaria. 19:11.355 --> 19:14.236 [SPEAKER_05]: So we were watching Al-Nazaria kind of blow up in the background. 19:15.016 --> 19:17.217 [SPEAKER_05]: And then the war moves so fast. 19:18.268 --> 19:19.629 [SPEAKER_05]: It was like, it was just done. 19:19.669 --> 19:20.589 [SPEAKER_05]: It was like four days. 19:20.809 --> 19:21.710 [SPEAKER_05]: And I was like, is that it? 19:21.790 --> 19:22.410 [SPEAKER_05]: Is that war? 19:22.770 --> 19:23.911 [SPEAKER_05]: Is that what we could turn in for? 19:23.971 --> 19:25.952 [SPEAKER_05]: Like, is this really all there is to it? 19:26.272 --> 19:28.733 [SPEAKER_05]: And I was like, fuck man, I was so disappointing. 19:28.773 --> 19:31.575 [SPEAKER_04]: What, what are you, you get to see the thunder runs on that shit? 19:32.161 --> 19:48.383 [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, just through nods and, you know, seeing it in the background, you could, you could see it at Benazaria, but if not even up close, like so the, the recommarines from generation kill took to low air base, and then once we came in, we started the first aerial supply route. 19:48.904 --> 19:52.225 [SPEAKER_05]: We were just pumping supplies as fast as we possibly could. 19:52.425 --> 19:55.645 [SPEAKER_05]: And that was when they were like rationing water because we were moving so fast. 19:55.685 --> 19:56.785 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, I remember them. 19:57.165 --> 19:59.066 [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, it was, it was pretty miserable. 19:59.186 --> 20:02.966 [SPEAKER_05]: And it full mop gear and there's no place to, you know, there's no shitters or anything. 20:03.247 --> 20:04.467 [SPEAKER_04]: Oh, the mop gear. 20:04.507 --> 20:06.287 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, I didn't just to be clear. 20:06.307 --> 20:11.048 [SPEAKER_04]: I wasn't on the invasion of Iraq because I'm sure this would get picked apart and no say I lied about that. 20:11.168 --> 20:13.508 [SPEAKER_04]: But yeah, the mop gear, oh man, we trained in that. 20:13.728 --> 20:17.129 [SPEAKER_04]: She guys were going full mop level three shit or whatever mop level five or whatever they have. 20:17.449 --> 20:35.359 [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, mop three all the time and then you'd you know you'd have to pump into to mop level four when there would be some missiles that were flying over us and then And we were like We were shitting in this little area like doing cat holes, we're just shitting over there and I don't remember what unit it was it came in on like a 20:35.539 --> 20:55.818 [SPEAKER_05]: C17 and they took over this area like in force like they're putting up their sticks for artillery or mortar sticks and everything and I like walk over it's like hey guys we we've been shooting there for like like if you would have just came over and said hey where can we set up out of it like not where we're taking a dump. 20:56.799 --> 20:59.002 [SPEAKER_05]: But Army came in and they were like, it is time. 20:59.022 --> 21:03.326 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, we were only able to hotbox our nuke suits for a few days. 21:03.366 --> 21:06.589 [SPEAKER_04]: We could shit in that bucket over there, that hole over there. 21:06.789 --> 21:08.711 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, so, but then they come in and what did they do? 21:08.731 --> 21:10.833 [SPEAKER_04]: They just set up full on that because we start home setting. 21:10.853 --> 21:12.115 [SPEAKER_04]: Don't waste our film bases and shit. 21:12.495 --> 21:16.537 [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, I mean, we were out of there before they actually even started building the bases. 21:16.577 --> 21:17.557 [SPEAKER_05]: So it's pretty cool. 21:17.577 --> 21:21.178 [SPEAKER_05]: They come in with just this box like a container box. 21:21.899 --> 21:24.060 [SPEAKER_05]: And that's where they do all their traffic control. 21:24.120 --> 21:27.121 [SPEAKER_05]: So the the CCTV Air Force guys bring in the first planes. 21:27.661 --> 21:29.062 [SPEAKER_05]: Then you have air traffic control. 21:29.582 --> 21:34.244 [SPEAKER_05]: And then we were supposed to go reconstitute in Germany and then go up to Baghdad. 21:34.264 --> 21:35.204 [SPEAKER_05]: But we went so quick. 21:35.224 --> 21:38.065 [SPEAKER_05]: They had to scramble somebody else to go start Baghdad International. 21:41.635 --> 21:54.007 [SPEAKER_05]: I mean, if you want, I can make it sound cool, but I was mostly making sure that people didn't drive on an active runway because all these army units will come in to start grabbing stuff, grabbing people, we had POWs, they dropped those off. 21:54.067 --> 21:58.190 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, I was going to say, no, that's not, that's a, no, that's a, that's a very important. 21:58.211 --> 22:03.616 [SPEAKER_04]: You get the Jessica Lynch rescue that happens simply because supply lands got separated and all of some people don't where the fuck they're going. 22:04.286 --> 22:07.250 [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, well, in that came out of to little air base too. 22:07.290 --> 22:09.052 [SPEAKER_05]: I just remember they brought in the little birds. 22:09.272 --> 22:10.614 [SPEAKER_05]: They put the propellers on them. 22:11.295 --> 22:13.478 [SPEAKER_05]: And then they flew off and then they came back. 22:13.518 --> 22:15.059 [SPEAKER_05]: And I was like, oh, something cool just happened. 22:15.740 --> 22:17.042 [SPEAKER_05]: Because I do, there's no comms. 22:17.082 --> 22:18.904 [SPEAKER_05]: We thought, we thought Jala was dead. 22:19.105 --> 22:20.907 [SPEAKER_05]: Like we had no idea what was happening, man. 22:22.241 --> 22:23.362 [SPEAKER_04]: Oh, you didn't know what the traffic was. 22:23.382 --> 22:24.742 [SPEAKER_04]: Well, that's, I mean, there's lack of jobs. 22:24.762 --> 22:26.463 [SPEAKER_04]: That's why the people got separated in Conwood. 22:26.983 --> 22:27.323 [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah. 22:27.984 --> 22:33.146 [SPEAKER_05]: So we did the, we set that up and buy day five or something. 22:33.186 --> 22:36.268 [SPEAKER_05]: I was literally just stopping army units that were all blacked out. 22:36.288 --> 22:37.708 [SPEAKER_05]: They're heard lots of lights blacked out. 22:38.409 --> 22:40.530 [SPEAKER_05]: And they're trying to drive where the planes are landing. 22:40.550 --> 22:42.531 [SPEAKER_05]: And I was like, you guys can't, please don't drive here. 22:42.791 --> 22:43.471 [SPEAKER_05]: You're not gonna win. 22:43.491 --> 22:44.191 [SPEAKER_04]: Do me a favor. 22:44.712 --> 22:45.052 [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah. 22:45.846 --> 22:50.200 [SPEAKER_04]: Well, that's got to be tough to me, because during an invasion, there are really no rules. 22:50.260 --> 22:52.166 [SPEAKER_04]: And so you kind of even even with the 22:52.977 --> 22:53.637 [SPEAKER_04]: with allies. 22:53.657 --> 22:54.318 [SPEAKER_04]: You got to be careful. 22:54.338 --> 22:55.418 [SPEAKER_04]: Remember friendly fire isn't. 22:56.839 --> 22:59.720 [SPEAKER_04]: So how long how long was that first pump in Iraq and invasions on? 22:59.740 --> 23:00.720 [SPEAKER_04]: How long was that? 23:00.740 --> 23:02.000 [SPEAKER_05]: God, I was like 40 days. 23:02.321 --> 23:09.083 [SPEAKER_05]: So we went to Jordan and they had a small special operations base in Jordan that was kind of going into Iraq looking for scuds. 23:09.683 --> 23:12.004 [SPEAKER_05]: It's where they had the hellfire of brimstone, all the drones. 23:13.305 --> 23:19.247 [SPEAKER_05]: And then we went into Kuwait for about a week, a week and a half and then the ground offensive kicked off and they put 23:22.927 --> 23:24.308 [SPEAKER_04]: And then that's that. 23:24.328 --> 23:29.351 [SPEAKER_04]: So what's so the enlistment process, you join in 99 after high school, then how many years in Air Force? 23:30.412 --> 23:32.533 [SPEAKER_05]: So I got activated for two years. 23:33.814 --> 23:37.196 [SPEAKER_05]: So September 11th to September 11th, 2003. 23:37.957 --> 23:41.019 [SPEAKER_05]: And then they finally released us after two straight years. 23:41.239 --> 23:43.200 [SPEAKER_05]: And they were like, all right, go back to your normal lives. 23:43.400 --> 23:44.721 [SPEAKER_05]: And so I was sitting in college. 23:45.341 --> 23:47.042 [SPEAKER_05]: And that's when my buddy was like, bro. 23:48.276 --> 23:51.338 [SPEAKER_05]: I'm going to go work for this black water company and I was like, that's cool. 23:51.639 --> 23:53.480 [SPEAKER_05]: I was like, I mean, that sounds cool. 23:53.500 --> 23:54.181 [SPEAKER_05]: We'll do it, man. 23:54.201 --> 23:54.421 [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah. 23:54.481 --> 23:56.643 [SPEAKER_05]: He's like, I don't work in black water at the time. 23:56.683 --> 23:58.804 [SPEAKER_05]: It wasn't like you submitted your resume. 23:59.325 --> 24:00.446 [SPEAKER_04]: Well, they're just getting contracts. 24:00.466 --> 24:01.086 [SPEAKER_04]: They need dudes. 24:01.566 --> 24:01.947 [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah. 24:02.107 --> 24:07.031 [SPEAKER_05]: And there's not enough Navy seals or SF guys on the planet to fill the size of these contracts. 24:07.051 --> 24:08.012 [SPEAKER_05]: So we was all word of mouth. 24:08.752 --> 24:11.913 [SPEAKER_05]: So he went over there to Moiak, he was in the second class, it ever happened. 24:12.594 --> 24:15.855 [SPEAKER_05]: I got a call and they were like, drop all your shit, let's go. 24:15.915 --> 24:17.816 [SPEAKER_05]: And I was like, can you give me like three days? 24:18.356 --> 24:19.916 [SPEAKER_05]: Like at least give me a few days, man. 24:20.357 --> 24:21.777 [SPEAKER_04]: So, so your buddies are Marine? 24:22.157 --> 24:22.357 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah. 24:22.817 --> 24:24.258 [SPEAKER_04]: Where you going, Northern Arizona at the time? 24:24.978 --> 24:25.298 [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah. 24:25.499 --> 24:26.679 [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, I was, I was at it in at you. 24:27.139 --> 24:28.720 [SPEAKER_04]: And then he's, he go to, um, 24:30.082 --> 24:30.402 [SPEAKER_04]: I rack. 24:31.163 --> 24:32.583 [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, he was he was in Iraq with me. 24:32.603 --> 24:51.171 [SPEAKER_05]: So that's the cool thing about the national guards you get all these guys at a former Marines former Navy former Whenever and they look at you and they're like, yeah, I should have joined the air force you guys have way better food Being doing the national guard for extra college money and they're like man, this is awesome and then and then we got activated and they were like this is not It's not awesome anymore. 24:51.251 --> 24:52.651 [SPEAKER_04]: I know what awesome is this isn't it. 24:52.711 --> 24:57.153 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, so but he but he went over there then so he how did he get touch with Blackwater 24:58.938 --> 25:00.921 [SPEAKER_05]: He, it was like a friend of a friend thing. 25:00.981 --> 25:07.211 [SPEAKER_05]: He was like his buddy called over there and said, hey, I'm a Recon Marine, and they said, all right, we'll get you over here in two days. 25:07.412 --> 25:07.993 [SPEAKER_04]: You're hired. 25:08.433 --> 25:11.699 [SPEAKER_04]: Do they say, I mean, like, what's it like, you're gonna come over to executive protection? 25:13.817 --> 25:16.519 [SPEAKER_05]: I mean, back then, they didn't tell us anything. 25:16.920 --> 25:19.301 [SPEAKER_05]: Like, I didn't have you anticipated because this is a big move. 25:19.942 --> 25:21.583 [SPEAKER_05]: Well, I wasn't anticipating anything. 25:21.943 --> 25:23.965 [SPEAKER_05]: I got a call and they were like, we're going to come in. 25:24.065 --> 25:25.326 [SPEAKER_05]: It was only two weeks of training. 25:25.626 --> 25:26.166 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, that okay. 25:26.226 --> 25:26.867 [SPEAKER_04]: I was getting to that. 25:26.887 --> 25:34.973 [SPEAKER_04]: But then, so, in between going from the University of Northern Arizona and getting to Molyak, North Carolina, what do you think you're getting into and what kind of gear do you prep? 25:36.353 --> 25:40.837 [SPEAKER_05]: Oh, I thought I was getting into whatever of those guys were doing in Felusa at the time. 25:40.917 --> 25:41.298 [SPEAKER_05]: Oh, shit. 25:41.338 --> 25:41.578 [SPEAKER_05]: Okay. 25:41.618 --> 25:42.339 [SPEAKER_04]: So, yeah. 25:42.559 --> 25:44.581 [SPEAKER_04]: How many bags did you bring from here? 25:44.641 --> 25:47.043 [SPEAKER_04]: Did you, like, did you go Arizona two weeks training overnight? 25:47.944 --> 25:48.304 [SPEAKER_05]: I did. 25:48.425 --> 25:50.266 [SPEAKER_05]: Arizona two weeks training. 25:50.366 --> 25:51.447 [SPEAKER_05]: And then they issued you everything. 25:51.467 --> 25:52.348 [SPEAKER_05]: It's like basic training. 25:52.608 --> 25:52.849 [SPEAKER_04]: Okay. 25:52.969 --> 25:54.230 [SPEAKER_05]: So they issued you all your craft. 25:54.710 --> 25:57.833 [SPEAKER_05]: And then they were, they were literally ready to put me on a plane. 25:57.853 --> 26:01.016 [SPEAKER_05]: The hardest part about Blackwater was getting your security clearance. 26:01.778 --> 26:02.659 [SPEAKER_05]: Because let's be honest here. 26:02.739 --> 26:08.582 [SPEAKER_05]: If you're going to work for black water in like 2004, you probably haven't made the best life decisions. 26:09.563 --> 26:12.745 [SPEAKER_05]: And that was a bunch of dudes that came in and they were like, where did you live? 26:13.025 --> 26:15.366 [SPEAKER_05]: How do you have $80 million in credit card debt? 26:15.826 --> 26:17.908 [SPEAKER_05]: How come you owe the IRS million bucks? 26:18.308 --> 26:22.811 [SPEAKER_05]: So we lost probably half the people that started with that. 26:22.831 --> 26:24.692 [SPEAKER_05]: And then we lose some with the shooting range. 26:24.712 --> 26:27.333 [SPEAKER_05]: You lose some, you know, walk in the diamond and all the other stuff that 26:28.909 --> 26:32.731 [SPEAKER_05]: So, I don't know, maybe 40% of the people actually graduated. 26:33.071 --> 26:39.014 [SPEAKER_05]: And over those 40%, there was probably only 10% of us that got our security clearance because you had to get a department of state one. 26:39.414 --> 26:40.715 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, that's how you say it was doing in state. 26:40.735 --> 26:42.916 [SPEAKER_04]: They're doing it too, because there's some pencil pushes over there, man. 26:43.356 --> 26:44.457 [SPEAKER_05]: Oh my God, yeah. 26:44.757 --> 26:48.639 [SPEAKER_05]: So, like I got mine, they said, let's go, we're gonna send you right now. 26:48.679 --> 26:51.481 [SPEAKER_05]: And I was like, can you let me move my shit into a storage unit? 26:51.821 --> 26:52.441 [SPEAKER_04]: No kidding, yeah. 26:52.581 --> 26:53.882 [SPEAKER_05]: And then give me four or five days. 26:54.202 --> 26:57.204 [SPEAKER_04]: As far as walking the diamond, you're talking about a protection, right? 26:57.564 --> 26:57.784 [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah. 26:58.204 --> 27:01.885 [SPEAKER_04]: So they just teach you the basics or how many iterations or how many hours of training you think you got. 27:02.325 --> 27:06.087 [SPEAKER_05]: Oh, three days, three days of training man. 27:06.147 --> 27:09.688 [SPEAKER_05]: It was like, it was like drive it, drive it like a stole it. 27:09.708 --> 27:12.529 [SPEAKER_05]: So we did a defensive driving class, drive it like a stole it. 27:12.989 --> 27:14.650 [SPEAKER_05]: And then you you walk the diamond. 27:15.490 --> 27:20.134 [SPEAKER_05]: And then like the next day you do actual like operations. 27:20.154 --> 27:23.036 [SPEAKER_05]: They had like a little a little fake village set up. 27:23.316 --> 27:32.183 [SPEAKER_05]: So you do your operations and then you do a like a culminating exercise where they set off some fireworks and stuff and everybody has really good. 27:32.383 --> 27:33.064 [SPEAKER_05]: And then that was it. 27:33.204 --> 27:35.325 [SPEAKER_05]: And then they're like, we'll get your shots go to the dentist. 27:36.386 --> 27:37.027 [SPEAKER_05]: Get the fuck out of here. 27:37.087 --> 27:37.947 [SPEAKER_04]: Do you think, um, 27:41.148 --> 27:49.754 [SPEAKER_04]: I'm just trying to put it because it's a protection thing, but you're going into a, you're going into a war around the 1800, except they have AK-47s that ship blows up. 27:50.335 --> 27:58.941 [SPEAKER_04]: So I'm just thinking, OJT, on the job training is probably the way to get it, the only issue was with that experience, you might catch a stray, because the bullet needs to be right once. 27:58.981 --> 28:00.843 [SPEAKER_04]: And those motherfuckers are shooting at you guys. 28:01.995 --> 28:02.976 [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, my close. 28:03.497 --> 28:07.842 [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, I mean, well, you say OJT, the problem is is that I was in the fourth class that went. 28:08.023 --> 28:11.887 [SPEAKER_05]: So the people that ran ground, they had been there for all of a month. 28:12.825 --> 28:13.926 [SPEAKER_05]: and just wanted to go. 28:14.347 --> 28:16.710 [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, so it's like, you know, big map. 28:16.730 --> 28:17.571 [SPEAKER_05]: There's no GPS. 28:17.591 --> 28:18.592 [SPEAKER_05]: There's no iPhone. 28:18.672 --> 28:20.614 [SPEAKER_05]: No, that big map on the table. 28:20.634 --> 28:22.556 [SPEAKER_05]: And you'd be like, all right, we're going to drive over here. 28:23.097 --> 28:24.358 [SPEAKER_05]: And here's our secondary route. 28:24.378 --> 28:25.660 [SPEAKER_05]: And here's our tertiary route. 28:26.180 --> 28:28.924 [SPEAKER_05]: And then we'll just figure it out when we get out there. 28:29.264 --> 28:31.487 [SPEAKER_05]: So it was kind of a just a map. 28:31.507 --> 28:33.269 [SPEAKER_04]: So you didn't have Falcon view or anything new stuff. 28:33.892 --> 28:45.237 [SPEAKER_05]: No, we were, we were downloading Google Earth to try to see what we could get, but I mean, there was no, we had a guy that find, they gave us these GPSs when they said, okay, there's no roads on these GPSs. 28:45.277 --> 28:49.939 [SPEAKER_05]: So you guys just drive around and then sooner or later, we'll take all those maps and we'll be able to map out Baghdad. 28:50.039 --> 28:51.360 [SPEAKER_04]: You didn't make maps of Baghdad? 28:51.640 --> 28:53.201 [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, on the Garmin GPS. 28:53.221 --> 28:53.981 [SPEAKER_05]: There you go. 28:54.341 --> 28:59.563 [SPEAKER_05]: And then we were like, all right, well, you know, stay away from that area, try to drive into that area. 29:04.338 --> 29:06.341 [SPEAKER_04]: I don't think this is the old school shit. 29:07.142 --> 29:09.144 [SPEAKER_04]: So okay, so you train up there then you head over. 29:09.164 --> 29:11.648 [SPEAKER_04]: So what's so what's so what's the flight over your first flight over? 29:11.688 --> 29:13.810 [SPEAKER_04]: What's that like, where do you take off from what kind of plan. 29:13.830 --> 29:18.637 [SPEAKER_05]: What do you do a flew off flew out of Phoenix Arizona and then 29:19.738 --> 29:20.539 [SPEAKER_05]: I think they stopped. 29:20.719 --> 29:25.181 [SPEAKER_05]: Oh, I stopped in London because they had they gave me like an 18-hour layover that's so cool. 29:25.661 --> 29:27.883 [SPEAKER_05]: So I went and got on a big double-backer bus. 29:27.963 --> 29:29.664 [SPEAKER_04]: No, you did the touristy shit. 29:29.704 --> 29:30.144 [SPEAKER_05]: I did. 29:30.184 --> 29:37.308 [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, which is crazy because the lady that was on the bus was like also American and I was like, I'm not getting the authentic British shit here. 29:37.688 --> 29:40.370 [SPEAKER_05]: Like, how's my tour guide American? 29:41.583 --> 29:42.384 [SPEAKER_04]: I want the real shit. 29:42.404 --> 29:44.706 [SPEAKER_04]: It's like going to Hobashi, you're only getting a fucking white guy. 29:44.726 --> 29:45.206 [SPEAKER_04]: I don't want that. 29:45.506 --> 29:46.367 [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, exactly. 29:46.567 --> 29:50.510 [SPEAKER_05]: So then they send me to Jordan in Jordan. 29:50.530 --> 29:52.071 [SPEAKER_05]: They pick us up on those little buses. 29:52.111 --> 29:53.753 [SPEAKER_05]: Took us to a nice hotel. 29:53.833 --> 29:54.773 [SPEAKER_05]: Bristol Hotel. 29:54.934 --> 29:55.514 [SPEAKER_05]: It was beautiful. 29:55.534 --> 29:56.395 [SPEAKER_05]: I didn't get in Bond. 29:56.415 --> 29:57.676 [SPEAKER_05]: I think in like 06. 29:58.116 --> 29:59.197 [SPEAKER_05]: I didn't get in blown up. 29:59.577 --> 30:02.681 [SPEAKER_04]: You know, hey, you passed it, but it's still, you know, potatoes, potato and that part. 30:02.701 --> 30:02.921 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah. 30:04.623 --> 30:08.488 [SPEAKER_05]: And then they were like, don't even bother getting a room, man. 30:08.728 --> 30:10.791 [SPEAKER_05]: We got a, we got a bird popping out right now. 30:10.831 --> 30:12.232 [SPEAKER_05]: So they put us on a cossabird. 30:13.658 --> 30:30.214 [SPEAKER_05]: all the uh... the elusive blackwater classes i don't know yeah so that they put us on that and who the pilots were so hungover like even like even just you could like smell them as they walked up to the plane and i was like all right whatever man he's going to react 30:31.180 --> 30:36.243 [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, so take off, we're going to do this. 30:36.583 --> 30:37.924 [SPEAKER_04]: Loub, no, Loub, you're choice. 30:38.224 --> 30:39.745 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, we're going to Iraq, bro. 30:41.066 --> 30:43.727 [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, and then the bird just starts flying out of the air. 30:43.767 --> 30:46.609 [SPEAKER_05]: It's like falling and I'm like, oh, my God, I'm fucking like I'm praying. 30:47.009 --> 30:52.873 [SPEAKER_05]: And I'm not the most religious guy out there, but I'm like, I'm sorry, grandma, for that one time that I lied to you about smoking weed. 30:53.253 --> 30:54.834 [SPEAKER_05]: Like, I'm going through all this stuff in my head. 30:55.314 --> 30:58.976 [SPEAKER_05]: Well, they started the corkscrew maneuver to get into Baghdad International, 31:00.597 --> 31:05.646 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, that'd be nice if the two drunk pads will let you know they're going to pull a coarse group and over what time of day was that? 31:06.147 --> 31:09.854 [SPEAKER_05]: Oh, it was like 9 a.m. 10 a.m. Oh, shit, we're just getting stuck. 31:09.974 --> 31:10.314 [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah. 31:11.430 --> 31:13.731 [SPEAKER_05]: And then in Mooyak, they tell you, don't worry, guys. 31:13.751 --> 31:14.851 [SPEAKER_05]: We've got all this armor. 31:15.091 --> 31:16.852 [SPEAKER_05]: Like you guys are gonna be so well protected. 31:16.932 --> 31:22.795 [SPEAKER_05]: Like they come up and they grab a bongo truck for those who haven't seen it, it's a cattle truck. 31:22.835 --> 31:24.315 [SPEAKER_05]: They got these little tiny tires on it. 31:24.815 --> 31:26.376 [SPEAKER_05]: They're made of fucking kryptonite. 31:26.456 --> 31:28.417 [SPEAKER_05]: Like they're just the strongest toughest trucks ever. 31:28.897 --> 31:35.300 [SPEAKER_05]: They have us throw all of our bags in there that give us old sweaty body armor and one round of one magazine. 31:36.580 --> 31:47.446 [SPEAKER_05]: I'm fucking five, five, six, and they're like, all right, hop in this, hop in this pujo, soft skin pujo, and if anything happens, we're going down route Irish. 31:47.926 --> 31:50.387 [SPEAKER_05]: You know, just keep going down route Irish, and it's not a big deal. 31:50.407 --> 31:52.028 [SPEAKER_05]: You'll hit the green zone of something bad happen. 31:52.068 --> 31:56.310 [SPEAKER_04]: Well, see, right Irish is one of those things where it's not a big deal until it's a big fucking deal. 31:56.630 --> 31:57.050 [SPEAKER_04]: Can you? 31:57.250 --> 31:58.571 [SPEAKER_04]: It's just for a listener's sake. 31:58.591 --> 32:01.653 [SPEAKER_04]: Can you give us a quick, uh, a quick, some, 32:02.713 --> 32:04.494 [SPEAKER_04]: summation of a red Irish. 32:04.934 --> 32:05.894 [SPEAKER_05]: So I've reached summary. 32:06.475 --> 32:09.696 [SPEAKER_05]: Oh, it is it's the most bombed route in Iraq when I get there. 32:09.736 --> 32:10.236 [SPEAKER_05]: That's a 104. 32:10.416 --> 32:24.622 [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, and it's like you're driving down it and it's just potholes everywhere where there was car bombs, there was IEDs, and we're sitting there in soft skin vehicles, there's no armor, and the guys like, hey, we got some, we got some plates, so if something happens, you could like, 32:25.202 --> 32:44.190 [SPEAKER_05]: put the plate up to where the window is and you should be that that's that's our SOPs that was it that was our if it's a bad guy if I kind of shoot you chat you don't worry point your point your armor at them yeah then and then you know the the the platitude keep your head on a swivel you know look up in it and I was like bad it was so fucking hot 32:44.890 --> 32:47.532 [SPEAKER_05]: And I felt like a dog with my head out the window. 32:47.652 --> 32:49.854 [SPEAKER_05]: And I swear to God, my eyeballs were like sweating. 32:49.934 --> 32:52.595 [SPEAKER_05]: Like I wasn't crying, but it was that hot. 32:52.956 --> 32:54.877 [SPEAKER_05]: And I came from Phoenix, and it was still that hot. 32:54.957 --> 32:55.417 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah. 32:56.078 --> 32:57.659 [SPEAKER_05]: And we're just bondsying down this thing. 32:57.679 --> 32:59.180 [SPEAKER_05]: As fast as we possibly can. 32:59.220 --> 33:01.242 [SPEAKER_05]: And then the next scene, you know, you're going through a certain team. 33:01.262 --> 33:02.863 [SPEAKER_05]: And they're like, all right, we're here. 33:02.883 --> 33:05.765 [SPEAKER_05]: And so that's all for. 33:06.596 --> 33:08.897 [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, that was a late July or four. 33:09.757 --> 33:10.838 [SPEAKER_04]: Oh, July and I wrecked. 33:10.858 --> 33:11.418 [SPEAKER_04]: That's nice. 33:11.878 --> 33:14.599 [SPEAKER_05]: So then, okay, so you get there and then you're staying where? 33:15.820 --> 33:21.462 [SPEAKER_05]: Well, they had to stay at their little teamhouse for, I don't know, like, what's the hours while we were waiting? 33:21.482 --> 33:22.563 [SPEAKER_05]: Well, it was in the green zone. 33:23.166 --> 33:48.317 [SPEAKER_05]: Okay, yeah, and then we're like hey, we got beers in the fridge and I was like, oh, this is different to the military We'll make it out and tell and then I think they got tired of a string in their beer and they find the called people over and It's like take them take them to the embassy So you go to the embassy And the first thing they do is take your your fucking obituary picture And you don't know this is the picture they're gonna use when you die, but it's like it's for your it's for your ID card And I'm sweaty dude. 33:48.337 --> 33:50.638 [SPEAKER_05]: I look like a hot white trash mess 33:51.358 --> 34:14.685 [SPEAKER_05]: And I was like, like, I just look like his miserable is I actually was it take a picture you get like your little badge that says you're allowed to walk around with your weapon on red at all times so you think you're like King King shit a turtle and then they're like there's a big old fucking circus tent go through your shit over there come get your weapons and it was like all right I mean it was it was it was it was it was it was it was it was it was it was it was it was it was it was it was it was it was it was it was it was it was it was it was it was it was it was it was it was it was it was it was it was it was it was it was it was it was it was it was it was it was it was it was it was it was it was it was it was it was it was it was it was it was it was it was it was it was it was it was it was it was it was it was it was it was it was it was it was it was 34:15.455 --> 34:19.418 [SPEAKER_05]: Surprisingly well run for being just all over the place. 34:19.578 --> 34:20.458 [SPEAKER_04]: Well, it is all over the place. 34:20.478 --> 34:21.199 [SPEAKER_04]: It's really fast. 34:21.219 --> 34:22.099 [SPEAKER_04]: A lot of moving parts. 34:22.600 --> 34:25.422 [SPEAKER_04]: You're into your tent wet, so you're all staying in one tent, then. 34:26.286 --> 34:34.073 [SPEAKER_05]: So they had like a big circus tent out in the front lawn of the of the embassy and the whole thing smoke like piss. 34:34.373 --> 34:34.813 [SPEAKER_04]: Oh, obviously. 34:35.254 --> 34:37.816 [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, and I was like, why, like, there's bathrooms right over there. 34:37.836 --> 34:39.998 [SPEAKER_04]: And then I realized we're just pissing the 10 or no good. 34:40.178 --> 34:42.600 [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, piss on the 10 or piss on me. 34:42.680 --> 34:44.001 [SPEAKER_04]: It's a little examples like this. 34:44.021 --> 34:48.725 [SPEAKER_04]: You got to remind people, this is why communism won't work because someone's going to piss in the fucking tent. 34:49.005 --> 34:49.306 [SPEAKER_04]: That's it. 34:49.326 --> 34:52.669 [SPEAKER_04]: Now, someone will always do the easy thing and it just fucks everybody. 34:52.689 --> 34:52.949 [SPEAKER_04]: Sorry. 34:53.349 --> 34:55.951 [SPEAKER_05]: piss in a bottle, you know, like anything. 34:55.971 --> 35:00.914 [SPEAKER_05]: And then dump it out right next to the tent because by the fuck, would you walk that to a garbage can? 35:00.934 --> 35:01.575 [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah. 35:02.055 --> 35:10.701 [SPEAKER_05]: So like the tent is just like beds with the shitty ass, those shitty ass mattresses that they issue you that are just pretty much like that I don't know. 35:10.721 --> 35:11.702 [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, very conditioning in there. 35:12.348 --> 35:17.410 [SPEAKER_05]: There was air conditioning, but it didn't work if you got past like the first 10 feet of where that AC unit was. 35:17.810 --> 35:19.271 [SPEAKER_05]: It was cooler than it was outside. 35:19.511 --> 35:25.053 [SPEAKER_04]: I like to keep my piss essence at a certain temperature. 35:25.274 --> 35:26.534 [SPEAKER_04]: Okay, what's the shooter situation? 35:26.554 --> 35:28.435 [SPEAKER_04]: You got your tent out in front of the embassy, where's the shooters? 35:29.655 --> 35:30.676 [SPEAKER_05]: Well, they're right next to it. 35:30.836 --> 35:32.937 [SPEAKER_05]: But through the shooters smell like, 35:34.677 --> 35:40.199 [SPEAKER_05]: I don't even know if I could properly explain it, but it smells like the worst thing you've ever smelled in your life. 35:40.399 --> 35:49.483 [SPEAKER_04]: Just to make it easy on people what I say is the how do I describe the shit is not a rack smell like Afghanistan if you don't know you just don't know and think. 35:49.843 --> 36:00.309 [SPEAKER_05]: Well, and I ended up getting dysentery on like day three and you could tell that like everybody that got there as soon as they started eating because you got those those third those TC ends. 36:00.749 --> 36:07.612 [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, better that are fixing your food and these guys wipe their asses with their own hands and then they just touch your chicken curry with it. 36:08.993 --> 36:35.202 [SPEAKER_04]: So that bathroom it belongs in a fucking museum like that thing that thing saw a more war than most motherfuckers isn't see this I mean what's awesome about this though the older I get I think back to shit like this that just completely sucked and I would give anything to go back for a day oh I mean just the life the the time because we I mean remember remember when our government was just awesome and they were doing the right thing like 36:40.835 --> 36:43.796 [SPEAKER_05]: So they had us in our tent and then we get issued our weapons. 36:43.836 --> 36:50.538 [SPEAKER_05]: Did they give me a brand new info like I've never seen a new one, but it was like, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. 36:50.738 --> 36:53.258 [SPEAKER_05]: And then they wrote the, you know, they wrote your number on it. 36:53.278 --> 36:55.579 [SPEAKER_05]: I can't remember what my number is, but it was like below 50. 36:56.079 --> 37:03.361 [SPEAKER_05]: And then we go back to our tents and the next morning wake up in the the rocket start hitting and the first rocket hits and we're like, 37:04.181 --> 37:05.062 [SPEAKER_05]: Well, that wasn't too bad. 37:05.082 --> 37:08.524 [SPEAKER_05]: And then the second rocket hits and it's closer and it was like, all right, now it's time to get serious. 37:08.584 --> 37:09.804 [SPEAKER_05]: Everybody kind of sits up in their bed. 37:09.824 --> 37:10.365 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah. 37:10.565 --> 37:20.971 [SPEAKER_05]: And the third one hits and it shakes the tent and it shakes my guts and everybody looks in one guy to one guy fucking took off for the door and we're all like pussy. 37:21.231 --> 37:22.291 [SPEAKER_05]: And then we all ran after him. 37:22.331 --> 37:24.793 [SPEAKER_05]: Well, yeah, you don't want to be the first to do it out. 37:24.853 --> 37:25.713 [SPEAKER_05]: You don't want to be the pussy. 37:25.733 --> 37:26.014 [SPEAKER_05]: We'll see. 37:26.034 --> 37:26.974 [SPEAKER_05]: They run to the bunkers. 37:28.295 --> 37:30.416 [SPEAKER_04]: Oh, that is, that is, that's a tough one too. 37:30.436 --> 37:31.797 [SPEAKER_04]: It is, but you should get in the bunker. 37:32.850 --> 37:33.350 [SPEAKER_05]: You should. 37:33.370 --> 37:34.631 [SPEAKER_04]: Nobody out ranked safety. 37:35.832 --> 37:39.914 [SPEAKER_05]: We were all we're all looking at each other like who's who's going to be the the tough guy here. 37:39.954 --> 37:53.643 [SPEAKER_04]: We're like We're all that that was a really unique a unique part of the war especially and I rack especially near the Sunni triangle because I mean there's stories of dudes coming out of one of those shooters get hit dead center with them and just dead 37:54.604 --> 38:03.636 [SPEAKER_04]: I mean, done not dead, but just gone, like, man, there was no front line, like if, you know, because I give shit to five, it's all the time that stayed on base and do anything. 38:04.237 --> 38:06.419 [SPEAKER_04]: You're catching, you're the target still, man. 38:06.480 --> 38:09.424 [SPEAKER_04]: If you went over, you put your hand in the air, you did put yourself in the line of fire. 38:09.444 --> 38:10.285 [SPEAKER_04]: There's no doubt about that. 38:10.845 --> 38:20.969 [SPEAKER_05]: We had there was they hit the embassy they had it locked in pretty good That means they had it locked in because a lot of the guys aiming the mortars work at the embassy That's true. 38:21.229 --> 38:34.814 [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, so we were like if they missed the embassy That's where our tent was and that's where they ended up making the man cap and they had it They had it a locked on but they hit the embassy once and went through the ceiling It one of those phone banks you remember those yeah, they were like 38:35.634 --> 38:39.236 [SPEAKER_05]: By your AT&T card for $87, and you can call over it. 38:39.256 --> 38:41.377 [SPEAKER_04]: So the phone banks hit the phone bank. 38:41.397 --> 38:44.818 [SPEAKER_05]: Hit the phone bank, hit it up killing a Navy guy. 38:44.998 --> 38:46.739 [SPEAKER_05]: There was in there just calling his mom, man. 38:46.899 --> 38:50.801 [SPEAKER_05]: And like they had another dude, he was a diplomat. 38:51.221 --> 38:56.083 [SPEAKER_05]: And I remember before I deployed to save the apartment guys, like you're signing my death warrant. 38:56.563 --> 38:57.924 [SPEAKER_05]: Like I will never go over there. 38:57.944 --> 38:59.025 [SPEAKER_05]: And I was like, what do you guys do? 38:59.045 --> 39:01.606 [SPEAKER_05]: Like what, why the fuck are you working for the state department? 39:02.506 --> 39:19.058 [SPEAKER_05]: But we had one of their guys got hit with a rocket or mortar while he was showering And just fuck and like he was done like he's just sitting there scrubbing his beanbag and the next No, it's like you're that's I mean that's precisely what I was talking about you don't you just don't know It can come from anyone you don't hear those. 39:19.098 --> 39:19.238 [SPEAKER_04]: I mean 39:20.443 --> 39:21.724 [SPEAKER_04]: That's like a good thing when you hear them. 39:21.744 --> 39:22.965 [SPEAKER_04]: It's like, well, they're not that close. 39:23.305 --> 39:31.910 [SPEAKER_04]: But yeah, I remember just like, I do passing through Ramadi on a random afternoon and being, and there's a suicide truck bomb goes off at the gates. 39:32.291 --> 39:34.352 [SPEAKER_04]: I mean, that just had to know, I don't know how many people just died. 39:34.892 --> 39:35.813 [SPEAKER_04]: Just crazy. 39:36.994 --> 39:41.516 [SPEAKER_05]: Oh, well, the one thing that I wasn't ready for is it actually does whistle like you hear the movies. 39:42.697 --> 39:43.057 [SPEAKER_05]: You're like, shh. 39:45.024 --> 39:48.286 [SPEAKER_04]: Explosions in person are a lot different than on the moon in the moon. 39:48.487 --> 39:53.110 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, it's just a really, really violent exchange of energy. 39:53.170 --> 39:54.311 [SPEAKER_04]: That's just, that's all it is. 39:54.351 --> 39:56.712 [SPEAKER_04]: And sometimes if you're lucky, you'll get a fireball. 39:56.732 --> 39:58.614 [SPEAKER_04]: But most of the time it's just, that was scary. 39:59.214 --> 40:07.220 [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, yeah, it's like it's like step on the gas or if I can run to the bunker and then after that, it's like, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. 40:07.240 --> 40:09.722 [SPEAKER_04]: So yeah, so you get, so you get settled and then what's your average week? 40:09.742 --> 40:11.423 [SPEAKER_04]: Then how many days of week you're working on average single there? 40:11.743 --> 40:12.824 [SPEAKER_04]: Are you on call or both? 40:13.992 --> 40:15.052 [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, it's on both. 40:15.072 --> 40:16.632 [SPEAKER_05]: So really, we got there in O4. 40:16.652 --> 40:21.473 [SPEAKER_05]: The State Department was really into going out and trying to help the people of Iraq. 40:21.513 --> 40:28.074 [SPEAKER_05]: So not to get too much into the history, but when we got rid of the bath party, everybody talks about how we got rid of the military. 40:28.454 --> 40:30.935 [SPEAKER_05]: But we also got rid of anybody that actually ran the government. 40:30.955 --> 40:32.555 [SPEAKER_04]: That's what I had precisely what I've been saying. 40:32.895 --> 40:35.196 [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, so they didn't know how to pick up trash. 40:35.236 --> 40:36.696 [SPEAKER_05]: They didn't know how to run a stock exchange. 40:36.716 --> 40:38.236 [SPEAKER_05]: They didn't know how to export oil. 40:38.756 --> 40:42.737 [SPEAKER_05]: So the State Department guys and the guys that we protected were on the road all the time. 40:43.697 --> 40:51.405 [SPEAKER_05]: And then you kind of see the ops tempo changed as we started getting targeted more and people started freaking out more or they didn't want to go out as much as they have people come in. 40:52.246 --> 40:59.033 [SPEAKER_05]: But the first thing I latched on to was 10th or 12th and we did the regime regime crimes liaison on us. 40:59.053 --> 41:01.435 [SPEAKER_05]: So the guys that collected evidence against Saddam Hussein and kids. 41:01.515 --> 41:02.376 [SPEAKER_04]: Oh, that's interesting. 41:02.677 --> 41:02.957 [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah. 41:03.678 --> 41:05.379 [SPEAKER_05]: So we do we would of course. 41:05.940 --> 41:06.681 [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, we would say 41:07.708 --> 41:09.970 [SPEAKER_05]: did you ever go where he got hanged and JSS just this. 41:10.911 --> 41:13.814 [SPEAKER_05]: So we would drive up there where they had all the HVIs. 41:14.314 --> 41:17.697 [SPEAKER_05]: And then Saddam Hussein was actually over in victory base. 41:18.037 --> 41:20.139 [SPEAKER_05]: But all of his other other minions were up there. 41:20.199 --> 41:22.782 [SPEAKER_05]: So we'd take evidence up there, we'd take it to court rooms. 41:23.662 --> 41:32.610 [SPEAKER_05]: And then they said, hey, we're going to send you guys up the Suhmanaya where they gas the Kurds in 88 and you guys are going to go to mass graves and collect evidence and go to all these villages and stuff. 41:32.630 --> 41:32.771 [SPEAKER_05]: So 41:33.561 --> 41:55.086 [SPEAKER_05]: And like it was seeing what that guy did to his fucking people like up close and personal nobody was my age right anybody that was my age they what it came into the village and shot every military age male up from 13 all the way to let 30 so you had really old dudes and you have pretty young kids and everybody else had been slaughtered 42:02.279 --> 42:17.207 [SPEAKER_05]: Well, so the gas the curds up in Hologia, but most of it was actually just them going into these little provincial towns and they gather and everybody up digging a big hole, shoot them, push them in the hole, put it back home, put the dirt on top of it and build man. 42:17.867 --> 42:19.068 [SPEAKER_05]: So that is the same. 42:19.973 --> 42:46.406 [SPEAKER_05]: It's like it was like the most depressing fucking thing you just go to these places and they're like oh yeah this is when they came in this is the date and this is what they did and they had this they dug up a grave and there was this little girl holding a red ball still kind of hit her mom's arms and I remember we we found that and then see it in ran with it like a day and a half later and we were watching it on the news like what the fuck man 42:46.846 --> 42:51.029 [SPEAKER_04]: I wonder what inspires that level of evil. 42:51.069 --> 43:02.799 [SPEAKER_04]: I wonder is that that part of the world is it what kind of brainwashing or because that, I mean, you're starting, you're getting into just plain evil there if you got kids with toys with their moms. 43:03.399 --> 43:08.043 [SPEAKER_04]: And that's, you ever just think about that when you're by yourself and it's quiet. 43:08.716 --> 43:14.399 [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, well, we would go like the police stations all had a bunch of bullet holes on the outside because they'd round up all the police. 43:14.439 --> 43:18.180 [SPEAKER_05]: They'd just line them up and they would just shoot them like right there on a firing line. 43:18.721 --> 43:22.102 [SPEAKER_05]: And the thing that you can't do is just sit there and think about it. 43:22.583 --> 43:23.563 [SPEAKER_05]: No, no. 43:23.903 --> 43:24.924 [SPEAKER_05]: So I got pictures. 43:24.944 --> 43:26.044 [SPEAKER_05]: There's like bullet holes behind me. 43:26.064 --> 43:29.306 [SPEAKER_05]: I got this big smile on my face, you know, like trying to try to laugh it off. 43:29.366 --> 43:31.427 [SPEAKER_05]: But no, it was savage. 43:31.687 --> 43:33.088 [SPEAKER_05]: Like what he did to the Kurds. 43:33.248 --> 43:35.168 [SPEAKER_05]: I mean, what he did to the she is too. 43:35.229 --> 43:36.669 [SPEAKER_05]: It was just absolutely savage. 43:38.622 --> 43:40.785 [SPEAKER_05]: I mean, you see how the whole thing turned out. 43:40.845 --> 43:45.271 [SPEAKER_05]: So I don't know what the right answer is because he kept that country together. 43:46.193 --> 44:12.976 [SPEAKER_04]: see there you go that's he that's the angle no one thinks about to because as it as a great country over here with our version of democracy uh... or what we're told is democracy a lot of people can understand that they don't want it and so i mean they they know what dictators are and they respect power and force and that's just the way it is uh... and i mean because you the way that i saw it and you had a different angle in the ground is you know we we as a country did not do the research 44:13.896 --> 44:28.527 [SPEAKER_04]: We I mean even the near history where we completely screwed over the shea in the first Gulf War because Saddam was a Sunni and we back back out there and then he slaughtered them again So then our plan was going the shea will rise and guys in the ground like we were saying what if they don't 44:29.087 --> 44:32.388 [SPEAKER_04]: The our government argued with us, yes, they well, like what if they don't, they didn't. 44:32.809 --> 44:46.454 [SPEAKER_04]: Then I'll kind of come to them with guys like Abu Musa, about Zarkali from Jordan, a Jordanian knowing if he pushes up the Civil War Sunni Shia chaos chaos chaos chaos the Kurds will get involved and then we can kill Americans because it's so much easier to get to Baghdad than it is to get to Kandahar. 44:46.494 --> 44:48.095 [SPEAKER_04]: I mean, did you see something like that similar? 44:48.889 --> 45:04.776 [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, I mean, you could tell, so when I got there in 04 and early 05, that's when the Shea kill squads were going through Baghdad and they were like, these people live next to each other their entire lives, their kids went to school together and they were like, oh, it's a revolution time, man. 45:05.456 --> 45:10.341 [SPEAKER_05]: like we're we're fucking getting our retribution and they were going to house the house and being like if you don't leave we're going to kill you. 45:11.002 --> 45:17.188 [SPEAKER_05]: So all the Sunis they start moving to the Suni triangle out in, you know, reminding the flucia area and then they're pissed off. 45:17.269 --> 45:19.651 [SPEAKER_05]: So they're absolutely going to fight us to she is pissed off. 45:20.152 --> 45:22.634 [SPEAKER_05]: And the Kurds are up there saying that just let us be autonomous. 45:22.814 --> 45:24.416 [SPEAKER_05]: Like I just want to be autonomous. 45:24.456 --> 45:25.397 [SPEAKER_05]: Let us be we went to. 45:26.598 --> 45:37.946 [SPEAKER_05]: One of the first missions I flew out of, we flew over Baghdad, and they started shooting these players out of the fucking blackhawk, and I thought we were going down, man, because I hadn't even been in a helicopter. 45:37.966 --> 45:39.187 [SPEAKER_05]: I was all air force. 45:42.009 --> 45:43.490 [SPEAKER_04]: That's your first helicopter ride. 45:43.750 --> 45:46.793 [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, first helicopter ride, and I'm like, no, we're burning in. 45:46.813 --> 45:47.874 [SPEAKER_03]: This is it. 45:48.415 --> 45:55.942 [SPEAKER_05]: And then I talked to the guy that flew Saddam Hussein to get to get hanged, and he's like, oh, yeah, we would fly over it. 45:55.982 --> 45:58.425 [SPEAKER_05]: It was that fucking trash pile that was on fire. 45:58.445 --> 45:59.947 [SPEAKER_05]: It would always make our flares pop. 46:00.527 --> 46:02.889 [SPEAKER_05]: And I was like, well, that makes a hell of a lot more sense than me being like that. 46:02.929 --> 46:27.308 [SPEAKER_05]: And again, again, pile of something you could have briefed us on before that would have been nice would have been nice would have been nice would have been nice would have been nice would have been nice would have been nice would have been nice would have been nice would have been nice would have been nice would have been nice would have been nice would have been nice would have been nice would have been nice would have been nice would have been nice would have been nice would have been nice would have been nice would have been nice would have been nice would have been nice would have been nice would have been nice would have been nice would have been nice would have been nice would have been nice would have been nice would have been nice would have been nice would have been nice would have been nice would have been nice would have been nice would have been nice would have been nice would have been nice would have been nice would have been nice would have been nice would have been nice would have been nice would have 46:27.388 --> 46:28.649 [SPEAKER_05]: do get me in, get me in. 46:28.669 --> 46:36.295 [SPEAKER_05]: I was like, here's my email address, and I never heard from him again, and it occurred to me like, yeah, you get to go home and you still get paid like the day I'd leave. 46:36.836 --> 46:37.056 [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah. 46:37.536 --> 46:42.940 [SPEAKER_05]: I got fucking nothing, man, except this nice new land rover that I really fucking check on you. 46:44.121 --> 46:44.342 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah. 46:44.362 --> 46:49.666 [SPEAKER_04]: Well, guys, we're starting to figure that too, because there's there's got to be life after the military, but then how long is this going to last? 46:49.686 --> 46:50.046 [SPEAKER_04]: Can I be a 46:51.938 --> 46:55.222 [SPEAKER_05]: What do we thought it was like a two-year gig? 46:55.322 --> 46:55.482 [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah. 46:55.502 --> 46:57.705 [SPEAKER_05]: We thought the State Department was going to train up their own people. 46:57.745 --> 47:02.411 [SPEAKER_05]: They were going to hire internally and now we're on 25 years and they're still using them. 47:03.562 --> 47:04.403 [SPEAKER_04]: What do they do with black water? 47:04.463 --> 47:05.524 [SPEAKER_04]: I don't want to go back into it. 47:05.544 --> 47:06.344 [SPEAKER_04]: What do they do with them now? 47:06.384 --> 47:06.985 [SPEAKER_04]: They still down there. 47:07.005 --> 47:08.966 [SPEAKER_04]: I haven't been down there in a while. 47:09.006 --> 47:14.271 [SPEAKER_05]: Triple canopy still has the diplomatic security stuff over an Iraq. 47:14.331 --> 47:15.872 [SPEAKER_05]: Triple canopy, black water. 47:16.593 --> 47:18.694 [SPEAKER_05]: Well, I take that back. 47:18.794 --> 47:19.655 [SPEAKER_05]: 2007 happened. 47:19.675 --> 47:20.756 [SPEAKER_05]: Black water got kicked out. 47:20.936 --> 47:26.961 [SPEAKER_05]: Triple canopy walked into the man camp and with their Harry Potter wand and said, poof, you guys all work for triple canopy now. 47:27.041 --> 47:27.982 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, that's a pretty good gig. 47:28.202 --> 47:30.103 [SPEAKER_04]: I have a feeling I know how that went down and smart. 47:30.564 --> 47:30.904 [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah. 47:32.225 --> 47:41.708 [SPEAKER_05]: triple canopy bot black water and then triple canopy got bought by a company called Constellus which is a conglomeration they got a ton of shit. 47:42.208 --> 47:48.771 [SPEAKER_04]: What what your vibes leaving black water did you just finish the contractor was their bad bad vibes or just all everything okay or does anyone care? 47:49.131 --> 47:52.172 [SPEAKER_05]: Oh dear there's well it depends on how you leave. 47:53.232 --> 47:58.835 [SPEAKER_05]: So I got fired the first time because I was on the QRF and do we hit a bongo track? 47:58.855 --> 48:00.556 [SPEAKER_05]: Like I was saying those things are made out of crypto night. 48:00.696 --> 48:04.538 [SPEAKER_05]: And the QRF was like, QRF was like vote on vote off, right? 48:04.638 --> 48:07.199 [SPEAKER_05]: Like you had to be a cool dude to be on the QRF. 48:07.239 --> 48:11.021 [SPEAKER_04]: Well, you kept the QRF yourself because you're not, can you explain why? 48:11.802 --> 48:16.823 [SPEAKER_05]: Well, because we didn't have any big army support, we didn't have any support at all, except these two little fucking helicopters. 48:17.123 --> 48:22.124 [SPEAKER_05]: Like you're getting paid 500 plus bucks a day in 2004, it's 2005 for a reason. 48:22.665 --> 48:25.705 [SPEAKER_05]: Like we would get to the outskirts of Baghdad and we wouldn't even have comms. 48:26.445 --> 48:27.986 [SPEAKER_05]: Like nobody's coming to save you. 48:28.826 --> 48:32.427 [SPEAKER_05]: Get your ass as fast as you can from point A to point B and try to get home. 48:32.907 --> 48:35.067 [SPEAKER_05]: And then hope nothing bad happens. 48:35.107 --> 48:37.148 [SPEAKER_05]: And if something bad does happen, we have the QRS. 48:37.768 --> 48:42.494 [SPEAKER_05]: And then they would scramble other teams and send them out, but and they're going to come in on little birds or the version little birds. 48:43.035 --> 48:46.500 [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, they would come in on little birds, but how much help are you going to get right you got to go. 48:46.520 --> 48:50.225 [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, but the guys on the birds are having a blast like they they they definitely were. 48:51.006 --> 48:55.432 [SPEAKER_04]: What's yeah, so you come in so what maybe four guys to propose that like your max QRF. 48:56.456 --> 49:01.359 [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, yeah, for fast and then we had, you know, we could always get the suburbans and shit. 49:01.379 --> 49:03.200 [SPEAKER_05]: We didn't even have the mom of at this point. 49:03.540 --> 49:03.740 [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah. 49:03.760 --> 49:10.124 [SPEAKER_05]: But it was like, you could scramble the suburbans and you could send them out there and somebody would tow you back in, but there wasn't, I wasn't much, man. 49:10.684 --> 49:12.425 [SPEAKER_04]: What was your personal thought about that? 49:12.445 --> 49:14.847 [SPEAKER_04]: Like, is this, this is dice here, this is just business. 49:15.347 --> 49:16.348 [SPEAKER_05]: It's just business, man. 49:16.848 --> 49:21.151 [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, because you know what you're getting into, but at the same time, 49:22.071 --> 49:46.160 [SPEAKER_05]: like it changes your your thought process when you know you have big army because I went back in in Oslo 8 yeah I was going to get into that yeah when you know you got big army support how you act in react is completely different when you know it's just you and the 12 dudes in the car like you don't take nearly as many chances yeah I found that in a couple gun fights where I didn't I where I thought I had the air force and didn't and uh 49:47.053 --> 49:49.395 [SPEAKER_04]: The whole, uh, you don't have your friends in this guy. 49:49.435 --> 49:53.598 [SPEAKER_04]: It's like that whole God created all many equal really hits home hard to psychoboy. 49:53.618 --> 49:54.960 [SPEAKER_04]: This doesn't get to them at this point. 49:55.160 --> 49:56.121 [SPEAKER_04]: And I think they brought more. 49:56.701 --> 49:57.061 [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah. 49:57.642 --> 49:58.102 [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah. 49:58.262 --> 50:01.045 [SPEAKER_05]: I mean, in car bombs were all the rage, right? 50:01.065 --> 50:03.787 [SPEAKER_05]: They were starting to know for hit no five all the time. 50:03.847 --> 50:05.448 [SPEAKER_05]: So it's like, is that shitty? 50:05.508 --> 50:08.511 [SPEAKER_04]: And they weren't even doing the explosive foreign penetrators yet. 50:08.531 --> 50:09.892 [SPEAKER_04]: They just were just for pure sport. 50:10.172 --> 50:13.695 [SPEAKER_04]: They were like, how much ask can you put in the, uh, in the refrigerator and 50:16.217 --> 50:20.519 [SPEAKER_05]: Well, then it's like, okay, if you're looking for a car bomb, maybe the springs are a little bit lower. 50:20.579 --> 50:24.261 [SPEAKER_05]: They give you all these things to look for, and you're like, that just describes your fucking car on it. 50:24.441 --> 50:26.502 [SPEAKER_05]: Everything is literally every car. 50:26.522 --> 50:30.104 [SPEAKER_04]: That's the whole, put a lock on your front door, locks only keep honest people out. 50:30.144 --> 50:31.665 [SPEAKER_04]: If it's a bomb, it's a fucking bomb. 50:31.905 --> 50:33.225 [SPEAKER_04]: That's just, that's one of the whole thing. 50:33.245 --> 50:35.446 [SPEAKER_04]: That's one of the whole, let's just get it over with moments, you know? 50:36.087 --> 50:38.288 [SPEAKER_05]: Well, they drove, do they pack, they, um, 50:39.860 --> 51:07.012 [SPEAKER_05]: The path to garbage truck full of explosives drove it up to the gate on the north end and just blew that thing up and did like it's I mean, it's great like the first time it just made my like guts feel like they were compressing it does that like that much and that one and you can you can if it's if you're close enough you can you can feel that that's that's a per square inch thumb on your body it depends it's almost like a really good subwoofer in a car like you can you can feel that that's a that's a per square inch thumb on your body it depends it's almost like a really good subwoofer in a car like you can feel that's a really good subwoofer in a car like you can feel that's a really good subwoofer in a car like you can feel that's a really good subwoofer in a car like you can feel that's a really good subwoofer in a car like you can feel that's a really good subwoofer in a car like you can feel that's a 51:08.087 --> 51:08.828 [SPEAKER_04]: Not as friendly. 51:09.488 --> 51:15.091 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, but speaking, you know what I read your book, that's going back to the dissentary. 51:15.111 --> 51:16.312 [SPEAKER_04]: You had that bad for a while, right? 51:16.993 --> 51:21.896 [SPEAKER_05]: Oh my God, dude, like it's just a ravage everybody. 51:21.996 --> 51:30.321 [SPEAKER_05]: So dissentary, for those of you who've never had to enjoy the experience of dissentary, it's like, 51:31.425 --> 51:44.633 [SPEAKER_05]: If you've had a colonoscopy and they make you drink that, that sludge, I don't know, maybe some people have had to do this, but it just like, you, the second you put something in your stomach, it's like, I am going to exit, and I'm going to exit violently now. 51:45.033 --> 51:45.653 [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah. 51:45.673 --> 51:48.615 [SPEAKER_05]: So like my almost shit the bed, and I'm still in the tent. 51:48.635 --> 51:49.396 [SPEAKER_05]: I almost shit the bed. 51:49.496 --> 51:57.540 [SPEAKER_05]: I finally get over to the bathroom and like, I'm wiping my ass so often that I think my ass will actually just fell off and it was on the toilet paper and 51:58.941 --> 52:03.126 [SPEAKER_04]: And he was like, just looking up at me like a migrants. 52:03.727 --> 52:05.949 [SPEAKER_04]: Oh, dude, they hurt like, I hurt so bad. 52:05.969 --> 52:08.212 [SPEAKER_05]: And then I get up thinking it's done. 52:08.312 --> 52:10.275 [SPEAKER_05]: You take one step and you're like, no, there's more. 52:10.535 --> 52:11.756 [SPEAKER_05]: There is more to come out. 52:11.796 --> 52:11.937 [SPEAKER_05]: Like, 52:14.119 --> 52:18.342 [SPEAKER_05]: It's like when you throw up like yellow biol it turns into that bottom now. 52:18.703 --> 52:24.747 [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, so I walk over to the shower because I'm like there's no way I can I can like wipe my ass again. 52:24.767 --> 52:26.468 [SPEAKER_05]: And so I just jump into the shower. 52:26.488 --> 52:29.650 [SPEAKER_05]: I don't even have my towel if the shower tends right next to it. 52:30.131 --> 52:38.216 [SPEAKER_05]: And like the spray of the water on any part of my anatomy is down there was just like it was like it was like a little midget with a teaky torch. 52:42.299 --> 52:44.881 [SPEAKER_04]: that exact description is in my book The Operator. 52:44.921 --> 52:46.342 [SPEAKER_05]: I'm so proud of you right now. 52:47.662 --> 52:51.545 [SPEAKER_04]: Sometimes I'm just the only way you can describe things and that's it and I'm sure I stole that joke too. 52:51.925 --> 52:53.766 [SPEAKER_04]: So that's awesome. 52:53.906 --> 52:59.149 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, but I'm just what I want people to realize is just the the overall 53:10.299 --> 53:12.987 [SPEAKER_04]: The, I mean, what's the end game, you know? 53:13.107 --> 53:14.291 [SPEAKER_04]: What, how are you feeling? 53:15.448 --> 53:17.810 [SPEAKER_05]: Well, it came pretty quick. 53:17.830 --> 53:19.251 [SPEAKER_05]: You realized there was no endgame. 53:19.491 --> 53:22.173 [SPEAKER_05]: Because, I mean, this is kind of the cool thing about my experiences. 53:22.213 --> 53:24.114 [SPEAKER_05]: I got to see it as a junior and listed guy. 53:24.354 --> 53:26.055 [SPEAKER_05]: I got to see the diplomacy side. 53:26.156 --> 53:27.997 [SPEAKER_05]: And then I got to see it as an army officer. 53:28.917 --> 53:33.761 [SPEAKER_05]: And the diplomatic side, everybody was fighting over what they wanted, right? 53:33.781 --> 53:40.405 [SPEAKER_05]: So you go, you talk to the she is, the she is are like, hey, we want you to apologize for this, for fucking desert storm. 53:40.445 --> 53:42.667 [SPEAKER_05]: The courage are like, we need you to apologize, for letting 53:43.587 --> 53:48.073 [SPEAKER_05]: So I'm who saying till have helicopters during the no-fly zone and fucking kill and all of our preparations. 53:48.473 --> 53:54.360 [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, and then the Sunnis are like, well, we want to, we want to place at the table, too, and everybody's like, fuck you guys, it's been 40 years. 53:54.380 --> 53:55.301 [SPEAKER_05]: You guys ran a place. 53:55.321 --> 53:56.222 [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah. 53:56.242 --> 53:59.406 [SPEAKER_05]: So I knew pretty quick that it was fucked. 53:59.686 --> 54:02.229 [SPEAKER_05]: And it wasn't even, it wasn't even though it was like, 54:03.090 --> 54:10.675 [SPEAKER_05]: We had a, we had a police station that we were building up in Kurdistan, or well, Kirkuk, just on the Kurdistan border. 54:11.495 --> 54:15.398 [SPEAKER_05]: And all we had to do to sign off in this place was install toilets and sinks. 54:16.038 --> 54:22.322 [SPEAKER_05]: So we go in there, they get the toilets and the sinks, they put them in, and like the next day we go over there, they're all fucking stolen. 54:22.362 --> 54:23.143 [SPEAKER_04]: Of course they are. 54:23.603 --> 54:27.506 [SPEAKER_05]: And this, like junior level diplomats, like dude, I just need to get this thing done. 54:27.526 --> 54:27.806 [SPEAKER_05]: Like this 54:31.448 --> 54:33.170 [SPEAKER_05]: You have to order all the stuff in, right? 54:33.210 --> 54:37.274 [SPEAKER_05]: So you're looking at another $200,000 because it's a pain to ask to get real toilets. 54:38.375 --> 54:39.676 [SPEAKER_05]: And we go and we talk to what we say. 54:39.696 --> 54:41.217 [SPEAKER_05]: We're putting in new toilets, new things. 54:41.277 --> 54:42.879 [SPEAKER_05]: Just let us sign off on it. 54:42.979 --> 54:45.321 [SPEAKER_05]: Once we sign off, you guys can have this thing. 54:45.341 --> 54:46.722 [SPEAKER_05]: You can fucking steal everything you want. 54:46.742 --> 54:48.484 [SPEAKER_04]: You're not interested in the toilets for the schools. 54:48.544 --> 54:53.309 [SPEAKER_04]: They need, they need the contract to build the schools and the toilets because Muhammad's got a brother named Muhammad. 54:53.509 --> 54:54.590 [SPEAKER_04]: He has a cup. 54:55.050 --> 55:13.495 [SPEAKER_04]: the company and his cousin Muhammad has another company and then by the way they've got a blood feed with them who's a mortal enemy and it's like you see this everywhere but the problem is they won't listen to guys like you on the ground or me on the ground they listen to people that go to the naval war collage or whatever they call it and they call it an office and they and a herump for a rump and all this bullshit and we can patent you don't 55:13.975 --> 55:20.979 [SPEAKER_04]: They don't, there are people with stars on their shoulders that don't know the difference between Iraq and Afghanistan, don't know the difference between a Sunni Shia or a Kurd. 55:21.239 --> 55:22.860 [SPEAKER_04]: They don't know the Sunni splits in a different sex. 55:22.880 --> 55:24.481 [SPEAKER_04]: They don't know anything about the culture. 55:24.501 --> 55:26.663 [SPEAKER_04]: They think it's the same languages. 55:26.683 --> 55:27.863 [SPEAKER_04]: They don't know anything. 55:27.883 --> 55:28.904 [SPEAKER_04]: A lot of them that do that. 55:28.924 --> 55:29.204 [SPEAKER_04]: I'm sorry. 55:29.224 --> 55:29.684 [SPEAKER_04]: I'm babbling. 55:29.704 --> 55:30.905 [SPEAKER_05]: This is, this is, this is, this is. 55:31.305 --> 55:31.886 [SPEAKER_05]: No, it's true. 55:32.186 --> 55:33.927 [SPEAKER_05]: I mean, they're due-goaters, right? 55:33.967 --> 55:38.670 [SPEAKER_05]: Like, I worked with a ton of guys that were either at the State Department and going into the State Department. 55:38.730 --> 55:40.391 [SPEAKER_05]: And though their worldview was like, 55:41.151 --> 55:56.355 [SPEAKER_05]: If we just do something good, it'll work out, not looking at, you got to have security before you can have diplomacy and you have to be able to give them, you know, the water, power, fucking places to live before you can sit there and be like, they need running water on the toilets. 55:56.415 --> 56:00.377 [SPEAKER_05]: Like, dude, these guys are getting their fucking heads cut off and you're worried about what it was. 56:00.437 --> 56:01.657 [SPEAKER_04]: Actually, they don't fucking need anything. 56:02.457 --> 56:02.937 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah. 56:02.957 --> 56:07.178 [SPEAKER_04]: And the sooner, it's like this country, too, like, look at COVID, all of a sudden, run out of toilet paper, hey, toilet paper is not 56:09.299 --> 56:15.668 [SPEAKER_04]: I mean, well, you're saying these, but, and like you said, these people, you're getting dysentery because these savages are making your food after they wipe their own asses. 56:15.688 --> 56:16.569 [SPEAKER_04]: These are not the same. 56:16.829 --> 56:19.513 [SPEAKER_04]: This is just, people, people can't get that to the thick fucking heads. 56:20.094 --> 56:24.179 [SPEAKER_05]: Oh, it, all they need to do is go in and sit in an Iraqi shitter. 56:25.064 --> 56:27.007 [SPEAKER_05]: and take a dump and they'll realize it pretty quick. 56:27.027 --> 56:31.112 [SPEAKER_05]: Because when you look over for that toilet paper and you see that it's just a flower pot that you're supposed to fall on. 56:31.132 --> 56:32.473 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, yeah, not even water pressure. 56:32.494 --> 56:34.496 [SPEAKER_04]: I'm talking, you can spit on it, spit, just do it. 56:34.736 --> 56:36.499 [SPEAKER_04]: And it's, it sounds like it's just your left hand. 56:36.619 --> 56:37.640 [SPEAKER_04]: Oh, it's that, is that why? 56:38.061 --> 56:38.441 [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah. 56:39.422 --> 56:41.165 [SPEAKER_05]: Just before you go and you make my curry chicken. 56:42.306 --> 56:47.070 [SPEAKER_04]: Oh, I mean, I mean, look, this is proof, you know, the United States is the best ever. 56:47.370 --> 56:50.273 [SPEAKER_04]: The further east you go in Europe, they haven't even mastered the toilet yet. 56:50.533 --> 56:55.617 [SPEAKER_04]: I've been to places in Romania or Slovenia, where they have a shit shelf, like you sit down, and there's a shelf. 56:56.438 --> 56:58.059 [SPEAKER_04]: The water's down there, you should on a shelf. 56:59.180 --> 57:00.881 [SPEAKER_04]: How do I get my shit on a shelf off the shelf? 57:00.901 --> 57:06.126 [SPEAKER_04]: I mean, if I do it fast, can I still make the bread for the GIs, like what the shit's going on over here? 57:06.506 --> 57:07.427 [SPEAKER_04]: I'm just saying, man, 57:08.463 --> 57:10.527 [SPEAKER_05]: They give you a spatula and they're like, there it goes. 57:10.567 --> 57:12.490 [SPEAKER_04]: Seriously, yeah, but that killed me. 57:12.510 --> 57:13.512 [SPEAKER_04]: Well, like, um, uh, 57:14.893 --> 57:19.234 [SPEAKER_04]: It's just the it's the whole lack of an education over here and the realization of the people are different. 57:19.254 --> 57:20.795 [SPEAKER_04]: I mean, even and I'm not look. 57:21.155 --> 57:25.116 [SPEAKER_04]: I'm saying for We're just different to go to that part of the world. 57:25.136 --> 57:26.177 [SPEAKER_04]: They're not going to like me either. 57:26.197 --> 57:26.777 [SPEAKER_04]: I don't blame them. 57:27.297 --> 57:30.558 [SPEAKER_04]: But it's like it's this bullshit that we're going to install this democracy. 57:30.578 --> 57:32.279 [SPEAKER_04]: And then anyway, I'm going off on a tangent. 57:32.299 --> 57:33.919 [SPEAKER_04]: So I read something in your book. 57:33.939 --> 57:41.942 [SPEAKER_04]: There was a There was a point that just changed your entire view of Iraq something happened when you're over there. 57:42.282 --> 57:42.542 [SPEAKER_04]: Yes. 57:43.742 --> 57:45.584 [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, it was it was March April 05. 57:46.024 --> 57:52.089 [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, we had two guys and this is this is just luck on the draw man But we had two guys it literally had just shown up. 57:52.229 --> 58:09.362 [SPEAKER_05]: We had a couple of guys that I knew and we were getting ready We just took over the contract into crit and we load them up on a helicopter and it like Doesn't even get out of Baghdad and it is up getting hit with like an RPG and it burns in oh no It was literally 58:10.823 --> 58:13.527 [SPEAKER_05]: Man, 45 minutes, and it's already on the internet, right? 58:13.627 --> 58:15.990 [SPEAKER_05]: Gord.com, or one of those fucking horrible things. 58:16.070 --> 58:18.293 [SPEAKER_04]: I think I saw that one, too, and the pilot survives. 58:18.874 --> 58:24.681 [SPEAKER_05]: The pilots survived, and then the guys walk up, and they shoot an AK-47, and we're like, watching this video, and I was like, 58:25.413 --> 58:40.497 [SPEAKER_05]: fuck this place because what happens is you get over there and you want to help and then you come to this realization that you care more about their fucking shitty country than they do and it's so frustrating and you have one or two things. 58:40.517 --> 58:44.397 [SPEAKER_05]: You can keep trying to help and be like the do good or you can do like I did where it's like fuck it man. 58:44.417 --> 58:45.138 [SPEAKER_05]: I'm here for the money. 58:45.558 --> 58:46.478 [SPEAKER_05]: I'm here for the adventure. 58:46.938 --> 58:48.358 [SPEAKER_05]: I don't give a shit about any of these people. 58:49.039 --> 58:52.619 [SPEAKER_05]: I'm just going to make sure I get home alive and that was literally the turning point. 58:52.639 --> 58:54.660 [SPEAKER_05]: We had another guy that same day get hit 58:56.101 --> 58:58.223 [SPEAKER_05]: the way the body ended up with a knee of peace. 58:58.243 --> 58:59.925 [SPEAKER_05]: So that's the first time there are those. 59:00.325 --> 59:01.246 [SPEAKER_04]: But what happened to him? 59:02.027 --> 59:04.630 [SPEAKER_05]: So he got hit and ended up bleeding out. 59:04.790 --> 59:06.852 [SPEAKER_05]: Another guy got hit kind of in the groin. 59:07.993 --> 59:12.518 [SPEAKER_04]: But we didn't have a heel hit in the legs and he'll usually blast your legs off and it cuts her from moral already. 59:12.538 --> 59:15.121 [SPEAKER_04]: And if you're lucky it gets a carderized and stops. 59:15.141 --> 59:16.663 [SPEAKER_04]: But if not, you'll bleed out in a matter of seconds. 59:17.098 --> 59:21.440 [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, no, he was a good dude and he just like he was done. 59:22.060 --> 59:23.701 [SPEAKER_05]: And we didn't have any comms. 59:23.721 --> 59:27.002 [SPEAKER_05]: They grabbed the saffle and they tried to get a hold of like the black water guys. 59:27.042 --> 59:27.682 [SPEAKER_05]: Hey, I need help. 59:28.482 --> 59:35.485 [SPEAKER_05]: Can't get any comms in it up finally, just like throwing some incendiary devices into the mama and then got them to the base and Ramadi. 59:35.525 --> 59:39.227 [SPEAKER_05]: But one guy was already done and then the other guy, he ended up surviving. 59:40.085 --> 59:47.450 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, if you, um, I know that I do a QRF, they're not going to probably do a Kazeevac, are they going to, uh, you get them to the surgeons are going to operate though, right? 59:47.470 --> 59:48.791 [SPEAKER_04]: I think they're military experts are okay. 59:50.475 --> 59:54.078 [SPEAKER_04]: Yes, I would hope the line gets true on some of that. 59:54.158 --> 59:55.539 [SPEAKER_05]: I mean, they'll absolutely operate. 59:55.579 --> 01:00:02.004 [SPEAKER_05]: The problem is, in this happy with another guy that got killed, they never prioritize getting them out of country. 01:00:03.005 --> 01:00:08.910 [SPEAKER_05]: So if you die over there as a contractor, you're not seeing as like a soldier or anything else. 01:00:09.090 --> 01:00:12.833 [SPEAKER_05]: It's like, we'll get you on the next plane that we can get that where we actually have some cargo. 01:00:12.853 --> 01:00:16.796 [SPEAKER_05]: So we had a couple of dudes that were just sitting in the morgue there for weeks. 01:00:18.297 --> 01:00:40.857 [SPEAKER_04]: uh... as uh... uh... uh... uh... uh... uh... uh... uh... uh... uh... uh... uh... uh... uh... uh... uh... uh... uh... uh... uh... uh... uh... uh... uh... uh... uh... uh... uh... uh... uh... uh... uh... uh... uh... uh... uh... uh... uh... uh... uh... uh... uh... uh... uh... uh... uh... uh... uh... uh... uh... uh... uh... uh... uh... uh... uh... uh... uh... uh... uh... uh... uh... uh... uh... uh... uh... uh... uh... uh... uh... uh... uh... uh... uh... uh... uh... uh... uh... uh... uh... uh... uh... uh... uh... uh... uh... uh... uh... uh... uh... uh... uh... uh... uh... uh... uh... uh... uh... uh... uh... uh... uh... uh... uh... uh... uh... uh... uh... uh... uh... 01:00:41.581 --> 01:00:46.644 [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, well, I mean, if they had actually planned any of these wars, they might have actually looked at that, but they were fine. 01:00:46.664 --> 01:00:47.824 [SPEAKER_04]: Well, that's a good news for us. 01:00:47.844 --> 01:00:48.805 [SPEAKER_04]: We don't plan them. 01:00:49.265 --> 01:00:50.126 [SPEAKER_04]: We just kind of do them. 01:00:50.706 --> 01:00:53.348 [SPEAKER_05]: Or if you have an in state, like we didn't know what winning was. 01:00:53.548 --> 01:00:59.271 [SPEAKER_05]: So I didn't know if the guy that I was taken to the ministry of interior was doing anything good, or if I fucking 01:00:59.691 --> 01:01:07.176 [SPEAKER_05]: You know, or like, how do you define winning every time I was over there, I was like, I still don't know what the fuck winning is. 01:01:07.216 --> 01:01:12.960 [SPEAKER_04]: That's what, okay, now I was going to, I'm going to fast forward just jump a little bit as an intel officer later. 01:01:13.901 --> 01:01:16.442 [SPEAKER_04]: Are they teaching winning at all of the officer level? 01:01:16.823 --> 01:01:18.804 [SPEAKER_05]: No, no, what are they teaching? 01:01:19.504 --> 01:01:21.926 [SPEAKER_05]: They're teaching, go in there, do your job. 01:01:23.598 --> 01:01:29.819 [SPEAKER_05]: make a PowerPoint presentation that's going to go to your company commander, then your pentagon commander, then your brigade commander. 01:01:29.859 --> 01:01:33.060 [SPEAKER_05]: So by the time your brigade commander gets hit, it's like fucking bispig, right? 01:01:33.180 --> 01:01:33.680 [SPEAKER_05]: It's tiny. 01:01:34.420 --> 01:01:36.440 [SPEAKER_05]: And then everybody goes, oh, that was really great. 01:01:36.480 --> 01:01:41.821 [SPEAKER_05]: So we took out, I think it was a number five guy for Al Qaeda and Baghdad. 01:01:42.261 --> 01:01:44.182 [SPEAKER_05]: And then we're like, we need a big PowerPoint on this. 01:01:44.262 --> 01:01:50.763 [SPEAKER_05]: And then, you know, you send up a PowerPoint, I set up PowerPoint to TTPs, all this other stuff from like sensitive side exploitation. 01:01:51.803 --> 01:01:53.224 [SPEAKER_05]: And it just never went anywhere. 01:01:53.504 --> 01:01:54.584 [SPEAKER_05]: I was like, nobody gives a fuck. 01:01:54.944 --> 01:01:55.585 [SPEAKER_05]: It wasn't matter. 01:01:55.745 --> 01:01:58.366 [SPEAKER_05]: Everybody's just trying to get through their year and get the fuck out. 01:02:00.667 --> 01:02:01.387 [SPEAKER_04]: That's what it seems like too. 01:02:01.427 --> 01:02:09.711 [SPEAKER_04]: I was, we were starting a pilot program to send battlefield interrogators to Wharton for negotiating classes. 01:02:09.771 --> 01:02:12.712 [SPEAKER_04]: I went through a simple five day course. 01:02:12.772 --> 01:02:16.013 [SPEAKER_04]: Heath Robinson and Robert Reed actually were starting at they were killing extortion 17. 01:02:16.393 --> 01:02:18.214 [SPEAKER_04]: But yeah, just stuff like that. 01:02:18.234 --> 01:02:19.275 [SPEAKER_04]: Just different programs. 01:02:21.314 --> 01:02:33.127 [SPEAKER_04]: I wrote a I wrote an AR and after action report about that and why it was good and I took pride in that two guys that died I submitted it no one ever read it No, and I'm not saying to because the guys die, but it's like she'll like that like hey, it's almost like the busy work. 01:02:33.167 --> 01:02:35.910 [SPEAKER_04]: It's like what what in office space what is it? 01:02:36.731 --> 01:02:37.472 [SPEAKER_04]: You do here 01:02:38.563 --> 01:02:39.163 [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah. 01:02:39.263 --> 01:02:55.891 [SPEAKER_04]: I mean, so we got a video that was showing like the TTPs for how they were doing EFPs and it had like can you can you back up now not everyone this listening is about there because we like well especially when you and I start talking we will do an entire conversation just with acronyms and abbreviations 01:02:56.747 --> 01:03:13.604 [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, so essentially like your your TTPs are how you're operating on the ground and your EFP's are are the new explosive form penetrator yes actually been around since like the 50's but they they fucking mastered those things yes, so we got the Iranians by the way. 01:03:13.924 --> 01:03:16.185 [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, from the, you know, they love us. 01:03:16.665 --> 01:03:32.150 [SPEAKER_05]: Um, so, so the money we got we ended up getting a video and they're like the videos way back here and you can watch the road and the videos like 30 minutes long and they wait and they wait and they wait and they end up fire in the EFP at the second vehicle. 01:03:32.250 --> 01:03:38.932 [SPEAKER_05]: So the first military vehicle goes second vehicle gets hit and then they're so they're watching to see what the U.S. 01:03:39.412 --> 01:03:41.433 [SPEAKER_05]: actually does it any given time, right? 01:03:41.533 --> 01:03:44.915 [SPEAKER_05]: So it's not only the attack, but it's how they react to it. 01:03:45.055 --> 01:03:51.199 [SPEAKER_05]: And then that gives you information as the enemy to say, well, if they're going to react this way, I'll put a secondary level here. 01:03:51.339 --> 01:03:52.299 [SPEAKER_05]: And there we go. 01:03:52.739 --> 01:03:55.161 [SPEAKER_05]: So we got this video. 01:03:55.201 --> 01:03:59.483 [SPEAKER_05]: We topped it up into like noshable pieces and being like, this is exactly how they're doing it. 01:03:59.523 --> 01:04:00.784 [SPEAKER_05]: This is what they're looking for. 01:04:00.944 --> 01:04:04.626 [SPEAKER_05]: And then I sent that up and, you know, my company commander was like, that's great. 01:04:08.508 --> 01:04:10.790 [SPEAKER_05]: Like, like there's dudes on the road that are driving this car. 01:04:10.810 --> 01:04:11.911 [SPEAKER_04]: This is going to really help. 01:04:11.971 --> 01:04:13.092 [SPEAKER_04]: I just learned a lot right there. 01:04:13.392 --> 01:04:14.753 [SPEAKER_04]: That makes sense or hit the second vehicle. 01:04:14.913 --> 01:04:16.054 [SPEAKER_04]: It just does a number of things. 01:04:16.074 --> 01:04:17.175 [SPEAKER_04]: You're looking at re-reaction. 01:04:17.375 --> 01:04:18.716 [SPEAKER_04]: They're splitting the pawns right there. 01:04:18.736 --> 01:04:18.896 [SPEAKER_04]: Right. 01:04:18.936 --> 01:04:21.879 [SPEAKER_04]: Now the X is in between the lead vehicle and however many did in the back. 01:04:22.099 --> 01:04:23.220 [SPEAKER_04]: So the X is the split. 01:04:23.960 --> 01:04:26.462 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, that where's I'll take and you still have that. 01:04:26.482 --> 01:04:27.143 [SPEAKER_04]: I'd like to read that. 01:04:27.841 --> 01:04:31.422 [SPEAKER_05]: No, I fucking, it's probably still classified somewhere. 01:04:31.562 --> 01:04:32.923 [SPEAKER_05]: Like it's not, it's not that classified. 01:04:32.943 --> 01:04:34.123 [SPEAKER_05]: You can see the video on that. 01:04:34.143 --> 01:04:38.465 [SPEAKER_04]: It's probably in a folder with my, and I'm Wharton and how why we should learn how to negotiate. 01:04:38.605 --> 01:04:39.305 [SPEAKER_05]: Exactly. 01:04:39.325 --> 01:04:41.246 [SPEAKER_04]: What was that? 01:04:41.626 --> 01:04:42.506 [SPEAKER_04]: There was that? 01:04:44.067 --> 01:04:46.167 [SPEAKER_04]: Do you know, are you familiar with the Nissers Square Massacre? 01:04:46.728 --> 01:04:47.448 [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah. 01:04:47.488 --> 01:04:47.708 [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah. 01:04:47.948 --> 01:04:49.749 [SPEAKER_04]: Now, you were that was two years after you left, I think. 01:04:49.809 --> 01:04:52.630 [SPEAKER_05]: Or was that was, yeah, that was about a year and a half after I left. 01:04:52.750 --> 01:04:53.090 [SPEAKER_05]: So, 01:04:54.312 --> 01:05:01.514 [SPEAKER_05]: The Nister Square Baskers were black water, just got like in commutacado, man. 01:05:01.774 --> 01:05:05.355 [SPEAKER_05]: So the Nister Square, it's just as you're coming out of the green zone. 01:05:05.975 --> 01:05:07.256 [SPEAKER_05]: And it's just a traffic circle. 01:05:07.596 --> 01:05:10.496 [SPEAKER_05]: So it's not really a square, but why the hell wouldn't you call the traffic circle? 01:05:10.516 --> 01:05:11.177 [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, it may square. 01:05:11.277 --> 01:05:17.718 [SPEAKER_04]: Hey, just why is Afghanistan the only one that's 30 minutes behind every time zone, or ahead of every time zone, who fucking is? 01:05:18.559 --> 01:05:20.199 [SPEAKER_04]: Because Afghanistan is fucking sucks, that's why. 01:05:20.579 --> 01:05:20.839 [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah. 01:05:24.001 --> 01:05:27.042 [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, so a black water convoy was out. 01:05:27.102 --> 01:05:33.823 [SPEAKER_05]: There was a, there was a bolo out for a white Kia, which is pretty rare, like a white Kia and it's supposed to be a car ball. 01:05:34.543 --> 01:05:36.604 [SPEAKER_05]: So they saw a white Kia was coming up on them. 01:05:37.624 --> 01:05:44.506 [SPEAKER_05]: They ended up engaging the white Kia and they got engaged by somebody else within the square. 01:05:44.866 --> 01:05:48.587 [SPEAKER_05]: It ended up ricoching off of the ground and I got some buddies that were there. 01:05:48.627 --> 01:05:49.447 [SPEAKER_05]: Like this is legit. 01:05:49.467 --> 01:05:51.387 [SPEAKER_05]: This isn't like I'm doing talking points. 01:05:54.648 --> 01:06:07.951 [SPEAKER_05]: So they had a mom, but they was just sitting there and it was completely immobile and they were they were absolutely taking fire and then they ended up firing back now I'm not the guy that's gonna tell you whether you had a good shooter or not right like like that's not my fucking life. 01:06:08.071 --> 01:06:22.215 [SPEAKER_05]: No, it's okay So I don't know if it's good shoots a bad shoots, but at the end of it It's like anywhere between 14 and 17 people were killed of course Yeah, Rackers are saying they were all civilians and women and children and you know our side is saying like no we were being engaged 01:06:24.075 --> 01:06:24.335 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah. 01:06:24.835 --> 01:06:29.098 [SPEAKER_05]: And then Joe Biden gets over there and is like, we are going to prosecute those motherfuckers. 01:06:29.558 --> 01:06:30.959 [SPEAKER_05]: Now, this goes back to what I've seen earlier. 01:06:31.639 --> 01:06:35.121 [SPEAKER_05]: What laws govern you as a private military contract, right? 01:06:35.141 --> 01:06:36.141 [SPEAKER_05]: It's not the UCMJ. 01:06:36.441 --> 01:06:36.521 [SPEAKER_05]: No. 01:06:36.541 --> 01:06:37.942 [SPEAKER_05]: It's not the laws of Iraq. 01:06:38.142 --> 01:06:41.204 [SPEAKER_04]: Do you are you still affected by this so far? 01:06:41.224 --> 01:06:43.265 [SPEAKER_04]: The status of forces agree, but that would just the forces. 01:06:43.285 --> 01:06:44.706 [SPEAKER_04]: So you wouldn't be affected by that at all. 01:06:44.726 --> 01:06:44.966 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah. 01:06:45.046 --> 01:06:47.367 [SPEAKER_04]: So what do you just, so you just under Iraqi law or what? 01:06:48.028 --> 01:06:49.690 [SPEAKER_05]: No, so we're not under Iraqi law. 01:06:49.710 --> 01:06:51.913 [SPEAKER_05]: We're also not actually state department employees. 01:06:51.953 --> 01:06:55.256 [SPEAKER_05]: So we're not under their policies and procedures or any of what are you. 01:06:55.937 --> 01:06:57.239 [SPEAKER_05]: We're independent contractors. 01:06:57.279 --> 01:07:02.425 [SPEAKER_05]: So they can just use us, you know, and then whenever they're done with us, just fucking fire you. 01:07:03.158 --> 01:07:15.265 [SPEAKER_04]: But I mean, if Biden wants to prosecute, you can't prosecute Blackwater guys, if there's something he wants to do, what's okay, this is all new, like you were saying earlier, but the guys have experienced been there a month only, first got there, what do we do now? 01:07:15.545 --> 01:07:21.168 [SPEAKER_04]: Like if there's, if there's a threat, you might get arrested by Iraqis, what are you doing as a contractor right now? 01:07:21.879 --> 01:07:24.460 [SPEAKER_05]: Oh, I'm fucking, I'm fucking shooting and scootin' man. 01:07:24.480 --> 01:07:42.130 [SPEAKER_04]: Ow, ow, ow, ow, ow, ow, ow, ow, ow, ow, ow, ow, ow, ow, ow, ow, ow, ow, ow, ow, ow, ow, ow, ow, ow, ow, ow, ow, ow, ow, ow, ow, ow, ow, ow, ow, ow, ow, ow, ow, ow, ow, ow, ow, ow, ow, ow, ow, ow, ow, ow, ow, ow, ow, ow, ow, ow, ow, ow, ow, ow, ow, ow, ow, ow, ow, ow, ow, ow, ow, ow, ow, ow, ow, ow, ow, ow, ow, ow, ow, ow, ow, ow, ow, ow, ow, ow, ow, ow, ow, ow, ow, ow, ow, ow, ow, ow, ow, ow, ow, ow, ow, ow 01:07:45.207 --> 01:07:47.929 [SPEAKER_05]: Well, theoretically you go over to the teamhouse they drive you to the airport. 01:07:47.949 --> 01:07:48.329 [SPEAKER_05]: You get out. 01:07:48.349 --> 01:07:48.869 [SPEAKER_05]: You're ready. 01:07:48.889 --> 01:07:49.690 [SPEAKER_04]: What's the fastest? 01:07:50.210 --> 01:07:52.912 [SPEAKER_05]: The fastest you get on one of those little birds and you get the hell out of there. 01:07:52.992 --> 01:07:53.633 [SPEAKER_05]: Can you do them? 01:07:53.693 --> 01:07:54.353 [SPEAKER_04]: Do you know the pilot? 01:07:54.673 --> 01:07:54.893 [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah. 01:07:55.114 --> 01:07:55.214 [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah. 01:07:55.234 --> 01:07:56.274 [SPEAKER_04]: Where's he taking you? 01:07:56.294 --> 01:08:04.980 [SPEAKER_05]: He's taking me straight to buy up where they have the uh, like because they actually open it up after I got there where they actually have the terminal and everything so you go in and you go. 01:08:05.000 --> 01:08:11.124 [SPEAKER_04]: We're talking like, uh, go to your rack grab a can of dip grab your wallet your passport a gun get the fuck out as we do. 01:08:11.544 --> 01:08:16.816 [SPEAKER_05]: and then wave your diplomatic passport as fucking much as you can so that you get your diplomatic community. 01:08:16.997 --> 01:08:18.280 [SPEAKER_04]: And then by up, you go where? 01:08:19.102 --> 01:08:20.545 [SPEAKER_05]: By up, I mean, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, 01:08:21.708 --> 01:08:26.810 [SPEAKER_05]: You almost have to go to Jordan man hit that point and then from Jordan, you could get a pump all the way up. 01:08:26.890 --> 01:08:32.712 [SPEAKER_04]: I'm seeing like, Argo, like I just got to get out of my friend. 01:08:32.812 --> 01:08:33.812 [SPEAKER_05]: Okay, but that's Argo. 01:08:33.892 --> 01:08:38.554 [SPEAKER_05]: That's why they gave us, yeah, they gave us diplomatic passports exactly for their reasons. 01:08:38.594 --> 01:08:47.917 [SPEAKER_05]: We had a black water guy got drunk right around Christmas and he ended up going to the vice president's compound and shooting one of his guards and killing the guy. 01:08:48.617 --> 01:08:52.519 [SPEAKER_05]: and blackwater grabbed him and got him the fuck out of country and he never got prosecuted. 01:08:53.079 --> 01:08:59.462 [SPEAKER_05]: So that's how you know, oh, he was a blackwater guy from, I think, fuck, I think it was some Washington. 01:08:59.542 --> 01:09:00.123 [SPEAKER_05]: Oh, he's American. 01:09:00.523 --> 01:09:01.263 [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, he's American. 01:09:01.483 --> 01:09:01.683 [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah. 01:09:01.884 --> 01:09:03.164 [SPEAKER_04]: And he shot his Iraqi bodyguard. 01:09:03.764 --> 01:09:04.045 [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah. 01:09:04.065 --> 01:09:07.126 [SPEAKER_05]: No, he shot the vice president's Iraqi bodyguard and all fuck. 01:09:07.166 --> 01:09:07.746 [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, whatever. 01:09:08.287 --> 01:09:08.887 [SPEAKER_05]: Well, yeah. 01:09:08.927 --> 01:09:10.348 [SPEAKER_05]: I mean, that's how we feel. 01:09:10.368 --> 01:09:11.888 [SPEAKER_05]: But blackwater didn't roll this. 01:09:11.968 --> 01:09:12.829 [SPEAKER_04]: And you're bad, baby. 01:09:12.869 --> 01:09:13.909 [SPEAKER_04]: What's he going to do in any way? 01:09:13.929 --> 01:09:14.530 [SPEAKER_04]: If he's new, she's 01:09:15.518 --> 01:09:17.979 [SPEAKER_05]: Oh, he was not a threat. 01:09:18.019 --> 01:09:19.640 [SPEAKER_05]: He missed guy in this one. 01:09:19.700 --> 01:09:20.441 [SPEAKER_04]: Oh, now the shooting. 01:09:20.481 --> 01:09:20.941 [SPEAKER_04]: I wasn't there. 01:09:20.961 --> 01:09:21.782 [SPEAKER_04]: I don't know what shooting was. 01:09:21.842 --> 01:09:23.262 [SPEAKER_04]: I'm saying to my guys in bad shooting. 01:09:23.483 --> 01:09:25.804 [SPEAKER_04]: Oh, look, I don't believe in good shooting's bad shooting. 01:09:25.884 --> 01:09:26.784 [SPEAKER_04]: I'm just saying to shooting. 01:09:26.924 --> 01:09:27.705 [SPEAKER_04]: I'm protecting my guy. 01:09:27.725 --> 01:09:28.285 [SPEAKER_04]: That's all I got. 01:09:28.926 --> 01:09:30.026 [SPEAKER_05]: Oh, a blackwater got him out. 01:09:30.146 --> 01:09:30.787 [SPEAKER_05]: He was fine. 01:09:32.087 --> 01:09:33.828 [SPEAKER_05]: And then the Nister Squares stuff happened. 01:09:34.048 --> 01:09:36.090 [SPEAKER_05]: And that's how you know his political man. 01:09:36.110 --> 01:09:37.090 [SPEAKER_05]: Oh, it is. 01:09:37.470 --> 01:09:40.352 [SPEAKER_05]: Because he goes fine to laws to prosecute the munder. 01:09:40.532 --> 01:10:00.431 [SPEAKER_04]: you show me the man I showed you the crime what okay that that's what I'm thinking because now and again I just this is a weird way for me to ask a question I'm seeing American politicians the wars sort of unpopular I got to get reelected who can I talk to over here to keep the what kind of communication is going between because now you got diplomats of fucking lawyers this war is over we're losing what what do you see 01:10:01.947 --> 01:10:06.229 [SPEAKER_05]: Uh, what you saw is a lot of the diplomats just stopped doing anything. 01:10:06.649 --> 01:10:11.251 [SPEAKER_05]: They went over there to get their, get their points or whatever a fuck it was for promotion. 01:10:11.271 --> 01:10:11.752 [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah. 01:10:11.792 --> 01:10:11.972 [SPEAKER_05]: Yep. 01:10:12.452 --> 01:10:14.753 [SPEAKER_05]: And then they would stay in the Greens on the entire time. 01:10:14.813 --> 01:10:15.813 [SPEAKER_05]: We had Negra Ponte. 01:10:15.833 --> 01:10:17.134 [SPEAKER_05]: He was the ambassador to Iraq. 01:10:17.574 --> 01:10:20.035 [SPEAKER_05]: He wouldn't leave the Greens on unless he was on the helicopter. 01:10:20.656 --> 01:10:25.238 [SPEAKER_05]: We literally had a compound that attached to the Greensome that was the Kurdish compound. 01:10:25.758 --> 01:10:27.719 [SPEAKER_05]: He got his fat middle ass, 01:10:30.140 --> 01:10:36.504 [SPEAKER_05]: to fly over a fence, get set down, go have dinner with those guys, got back on a helicopter, came back. 01:10:36.564 --> 01:10:39.386 [SPEAKER_05]: Like, like, these people are just scared to death. 01:10:39.426 --> 01:10:40.626 [SPEAKER_05]: They must have a lot to live for. 01:10:40.666 --> 01:10:43.988 [SPEAKER_04]: That's one of the biggest pussy moves I've ever heard of, Negro Ponte. 01:10:44.009 --> 01:10:44.689 [SPEAKER_04]: What was his job? 01:10:44.929 --> 01:10:56.316 [SPEAKER_04]: Again, he was the ambassador to Iraq, and like, I hope he, I hope he just, you know what, I hope he never finds the play to go in his microwave. 01:10:57.136 --> 01:10:58.377 [SPEAKER_04]: I hope he's annoyed forever. 01:10:58.577 --> 01:10:59.278 [SPEAKER_04]: That's what I wish on 01:11:00.232 --> 01:11:04.016 [SPEAKER_05]: I mean, we literally went out the front gate, did a U-turn, went into their compound. 01:11:04.136 --> 01:11:06.358 [SPEAKER_05]: It was maybe a 45 second run. 01:11:06.798 --> 01:11:07.659 [SPEAKER_04]: That is so bad. 01:11:07.879 --> 01:11:08.680 [SPEAKER_04]: That is so bad. 01:11:08.720 --> 01:11:10.001 [SPEAKER_05]: I can't risk it. 01:11:10.422 --> 01:11:12.984 [SPEAKER_04]: But yeah, so, but you have that opportunity. 01:11:13.004 --> 01:11:17.128 [SPEAKER_04]: What do you, like, is I'm thinking, if I'm under investigation, I'll like, I was trying to get on a funny adventures thing. 01:11:17.148 --> 01:11:19.870 [SPEAKER_04]: Like, if I get to Jordan, I might just go right to Bangkok. 01:11:20.231 --> 01:11:21.232 [SPEAKER_04]: I might go to Switzerland. 01:11:21.272 --> 01:11:22.213 [SPEAKER_04]: I might go to Lithuania. 01:11:22.253 --> 01:11:25.656 [SPEAKER_04]: But I like, I might never go to the States again, because I don't know what's going to happen. 01:11:26.036 --> 01:11:30.163 [SPEAKER_05]: I mean, that's fair, but do they, it wouldn't matter what happened with the Nister Square guys. 01:11:30.864 --> 01:11:32.105 [SPEAKER_05]: They would have found those guys. 01:11:32.226 --> 01:11:34.689 [SPEAKER_05]: Like they were still helping by prosecuting them. 01:11:35.330 --> 01:11:35.711 [SPEAKER_05]: What an effort. 01:11:35.731 --> 01:11:36.252 [SPEAKER_04]: There we happened. 01:11:37.053 --> 01:11:38.355 [SPEAKER_05]: So they didn't have going to jail. 01:11:40.172 --> 01:11:41.193 [SPEAKER_05]: Well, let's, let's dig into it. 01:11:41.213 --> 01:11:45.236 [SPEAKER_05]: So what happened was is that they didn't know what laws were going to affect them. 01:11:45.776 --> 01:11:47.057 [SPEAKER_05]: So they tried to prosecute them. 01:11:47.677 --> 01:11:48.818 [SPEAKER_05]: It got kicked out. 01:11:49.379 --> 01:11:52.201 [SPEAKER_05]: They went back after them and they said, where's the chain of custody? 01:11:52.221 --> 01:11:53.742 [SPEAKER_05]: And they said, what do you mean the chain of custody? 01:11:53.862 --> 01:11:59.266 [SPEAKER_05]: Like any evidence, if you, if you went and shot somebody in downtown Chicago, they're going to have a crime scene. 01:11:59.386 --> 01:12:02.148 [SPEAKER_05]: They're going to get evidence and there's going to be a chain of custody in that evidence. 01:12:02.468 --> 01:12:02.868 [SPEAKER_05]: None of that. 01:12:02.988 --> 01:12:04.169 [SPEAKER_05]: They didn't have any of that shit. 01:12:04.709 --> 01:12:07.752 [SPEAKER_05]: They went off of the word of some local Iraqis that were supposedly there. 01:12:08.292 --> 01:12:19.935 [SPEAKER_05]: And they ended up getting prosecuted and put in jail for a long fucking time until president Trump finally was like, no, this is actually miscarriage justice and they pardon those guys back about four years ago, where do they go to jail? 01:12:21.335 --> 01:12:25.096 [SPEAKER_05]: I, in the US, I don't know where they were hanging out. 01:12:25.236 --> 01:12:28.917 [SPEAKER_04]: I didn't, I didn't know, but I mean they, they went to jail for a while in. 01:12:29.398 --> 01:12:30.298 [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, they were. 01:12:31.951 --> 01:12:32.811 [SPEAKER_04]: in the search where. 01:12:33.232 --> 01:12:37.514 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, because the Iraqis that might have been there said that they did a badge. 01:12:37.534 --> 01:12:38.114 [SPEAKER_04]: That's it. 01:12:38.574 --> 01:12:39.035 [SPEAKER_05]: That was it. 01:12:39.295 --> 01:12:39.455 [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah. 01:12:39.475 --> 01:12:44.537 [SPEAKER_04]: That's not some of the most disgusting anti-American bullshit that politicians have pulled on this country. 01:12:44.717 --> 01:12:45.738 [SPEAKER_04]: I've never heard a story. 01:12:46.399 --> 01:13:07.070 [SPEAKER_05]: Well, and the funny thing is I think I think it was after that Joe Biden was in Afghanistan on a helicopter with John Kerry and the secretary defense and the helicopter had the land in Afghanistan outside the wire for sculling bones, meaning no, but the fucking when they said, hey, we got these these guys that are up there the first people on the ground black bar guys. 01:13:08.100 --> 01:13:13.784 [SPEAKER_05]: And he's taking pictures with him and smiling with them and they're so happy and at the same time he's like, I'm gonna prosecute the fuck out of these other black ones. 01:13:13.804 --> 01:13:16.746 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, because you can do that when you talk out of both sides of your mouth. 01:13:16.766 --> 01:13:17.307 [SPEAKER_04]: That's yeah. 01:13:17.707 --> 01:13:18.268 [SPEAKER_04]: Mm-hmm. 01:13:18.708 --> 01:13:22.130 [SPEAKER_04]: Boy, that's just, yeah, that's incredible. 01:13:23.111 --> 01:13:24.632 [SPEAKER_04]: That's what, now, what was the bridge? 01:13:24.952 --> 01:13:26.434 [SPEAKER_04]: No, what was the bridge of one? 01:13:26.994 --> 01:13:28.075 [SPEAKER_04]: That wasn't from the bridge. 01:13:28.095 --> 01:13:32.158 [SPEAKER_05]: That was, the bridge was a, the bridge was a four. 01:13:33.018 --> 01:13:36.441 [SPEAKER_05]: So we had, dude, I, I don't know how I'm hoping 01:13:38.668 --> 01:13:59.552 [SPEAKER_05]: you're talking the bridge uh... the one-and-oh four with the no as a sort of city right was that sort of city now oh fuck you're talking about my story in the bridge man yeah man the mean potatoes so dude it was right after our guys got killed and we had one of the dudes was on a cure off with us in the other guy as they were Steve it's just like 01:13:59.852 --> 01:14:02.713 [SPEAKER_05]: Dude, he had like this smile, like it's funny what you remember about people. 01:14:02.793 --> 01:14:09.417 [SPEAKER_05]: Yes, but he had like perfect teeth and like the widest fucking teeth, like veneers, but he just maybe brushes teeth more than I did as a kid. 01:14:09.437 --> 01:14:10.257 [SPEAKER_04]: Just squirt away. 01:14:10.637 --> 01:14:11.578 [SPEAKER_05]: Just beautiful. 01:14:11.698 --> 01:14:12.578 [SPEAKER_05]: Just beautiful man. 01:14:13.358 --> 01:14:22.563 [SPEAKER_05]: And he fucking, they burned in and they let us loose in Iraq, like two days later, and we just fucking ran roughshod over Iraq. 01:14:22.643 --> 01:14:23.663 [SPEAKER_05]: Like you got in our way. 01:14:23.783 --> 01:14:24.964 [SPEAKER_05]: We're pushing you off the road. 01:14:25.104 --> 01:14:26.385 [SPEAKER_05]: We aren't taking any chances. 01:14:26.845 --> 01:14:27.805 [SPEAKER_05]: Like we smash so many 01:14:29.286 --> 01:14:32.548 [SPEAKER_05]: and probably put somebody rounds down the range over the course of like two days. 01:14:33.729 --> 01:14:43.035 [SPEAKER_04]: I read from 2005 to September 07, 195 shootings, lack of water, and they fired first in 163. 01:14:43.475 --> 01:14:45.537 [SPEAKER_04]: Again, I consider paths to be static. 01:14:46.137 --> 01:14:47.338 [SPEAKER_04]: Sorry, staff to be padded. 01:14:49.059 --> 01:14:58.103 [SPEAKER_04]: But I think even if you claim when you shoot first, what I understand, and you don't have rules of engagement, we did, but you don't need to be shot at to be in contact. 01:14:58.203 --> 01:15:01.145 [SPEAKER_04]: It's a threat level, especially as a diplomatic security. 01:15:01.165 --> 01:15:02.185 [SPEAKER_04]: Can you indulge me? 01:15:02.986 --> 01:15:13.351 [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, I will look if a car is coming up on you, and you've got the ambassador to Y-RAC, and the car is flying up on you, whether coming at you from a tear, coming at you from behind, you fucking engage. 01:15:14.113 --> 01:15:27.062 [SPEAKER_05]: Like that's all there is to it because you have to look at the person that you're protecting has a job that has a strategic reason for being there and are you going to sit there and say, oh, this car that's coming up on us, I'm fucking not just that's what you're all these are. 01:15:27.603 --> 01:15:29.904 [SPEAKER_05]: No, I mean, that was that was our always that was it. 01:15:30.124 --> 01:15:33.747 [SPEAKER_04]: No, you know, do you do warning shots or do you just shoot the driver? 01:15:34.227 --> 01:15:35.188 [SPEAKER_05]: No, you do warning shots. 01:15:35.208 --> 01:15:37.990 [SPEAKER_05]: You you because you still got a sleep at night, right? 01:15:38.010 --> 01:15:40.252 [SPEAKER_05]: You can't just say, but not agree with you more than that. 01:15:40.931 --> 01:15:45.173 [SPEAKER_05]: Like, you know, these guys haven't been driving since Saddam was in power, right? 01:15:45.394 --> 01:15:47.355 [SPEAKER_05]: These guys just barely pulled their old coffee. 01:15:47.375 --> 01:15:48.435 [SPEAKER_05]: That's a very, very quick. 01:15:48.836 --> 01:15:49.676 [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah. 01:15:49.736 --> 01:15:50.276 [SPEAKER_05]: They suck. 01:15:50.396 --> 01:15:55.680 [SPEAKER_05]: And nobody pays attention to the guys that are like trying to stop in the little IPs, Iraqi police officers. 01:15:56.400 --> 01:15:59.882 [SPEAKER_05]: So yeah, the first thing you want to shoot is somewhere around the tire and grill area. 01:16:00.022 --> 01:16:04.585 [SPEAKER_05]: And then you let that natural kick of your info, kind of move the bullets up as you're going. 01:16:05.445 --> 01:16:08.527 [SPEAKER_05]: And then if they don't stop, then yeah, you're engaging through the windshield. 01:16:08.707 --> 01:16:10.868 [SPEAKER_04]: Well, no, and that's a, that's a good point too. 01:16:10.908 --> 01:16:14.450 [SPEAKER_04]: And what you're saying Morgan is is the human element of everything. 01:16:14.470 --> 01:16:18.512 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, yes, I could get a kill right now, but I do need to sleep at night. 01:16:19.053 --> 01:16:21.714 [SPEAKER_04]: Now, I'm, so right now what I'm picturing is a high speed. 01:16:21.734 --> 01:16:23.855 [SPEAKER_04]: What you, potentially, she's a high speed ambush. 01:16:24.336 --> 01:16:24.956 [SPEAKER_04]: I'm looking out. 01:16:24.976 --> 01:16:28.118 [SPEAKER_04]: Well, let's, let's say I'm in the rear, the left or a seat. 01:16:29.158 --> 01:16:40.646 [SPEAKER_04]: Am I engaging in front maybe part of the engine until I make eye contact with a driver or what's what's my plan or am I starting to wave and Like I'll take a couple of room or what what what what is the escalation of force. 01:16:41.126 --> 01:16:43.968 [SPEAKER_05]: I mean, so usually we're driving to right. 01:16:43.988 --> 01:16:50.873 [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, so at the end of the day, you're going to throw down two, three, four rounds and you're going to be fucking out of there. 01:16:51.053 --> 01:16:54.776 [SPEAKER_04]: And if they see you, if they see you, they're just, oh, my bad or do you know, or do you know. 01:16:54.796 --> 01:16:56.397 [SPEAKER_05]: Oh, and we'll do there was a lot of this. 01:16:57.965 --> 01:17:01.588 [SPEAKER_05]: Like, and it's like, boy, hey, you just fucking drove up on my cowboy. 01:17:01.608 --> 01:17:20.906 [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, you need to back up and, okay, and then the signs, it's say like stay back 500 meters or else you'll be shot like, like, it's not like you don't know who the fuck I am and we're honking and we're just trying to move traffic out of our way and these guys just come up like, oh, I think they're all of his parted the fucking highway for me and I get to drive through it and it's like, you 01:17:21.066 --> 01:17:24.287 [SPEAKER_04]: Again, again, people don't understand that you don't have the driving rules over there. 01:17:24.307 --> 01:17:26.628 [SPEAKER_04]: I mean, you got signs and shit, maybe, but there's not no. 01:17:27.148 --> 01:17:28.489 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, well, gross tonnage, man. 01:17:29.589 --> 01:17:33.350 [SPEAKER_05]: It's like the coolest thing is when you could hear the tire pop when you fucking hit it. 01:17:34.130 --> 01:17:37.171 [SPEAKER_05]: Like your first shot, and I mean, we got really good. 01:17:37.191 --> 01:17:41.933 [SPEAKER_05]: I got really good at just knowing where your weapon is actually kind of like where it's pointed and where it's going to hit. 01:17:41.953 --> 01:17:44.074 [SPEAKER_05]: So like, yeah, you got to have your holds. 01:17:45.214 --> 01:17:48.855 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, but when your buddy's driving 90, you got to have your holds, baby. 01:17:48.875 --> 01:17:49.475 [SPEAKER_04]: That's awesome. 01:17:49.815 --> 01:17:52.176 [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, and it's like, it's like, you hear a pop. 01:17:52.396 --> 01:17:52.696 [SPEAKER_05]: Pops. 01:17:53.016 --> 01:17:55.177 [SPEAKER_05]: And you're like, ah, that's still got it. 01:17:55.217 --> 01:17:55.697 [SPEAKER_05]: The old way. 01:17:55.737 --> 01:17:56.117 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah. 01:17:56.597 --> 01:18:01.479 [SPEAKER_04]: What's what's one mission that really stands out driving high speed as far as the threat level and engaging? 01:18:03.308 --> 01:18:13.435 [SPEAKER_05]: Dude, so we were coming up on the elevated highway, so there's like all the main roads and you have an elevated highway that goes, I think they called it route Tampa, not at least 100% right. 01:18:13.555 --> 01:18:21.741 [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, and we were coming out of some ministry or whatever, and we were coming up on the elevated highway and there's this red car and it's just fucking flying. 01:18:21.821 --> 01:18:26.925 [SPEAKER_05]: I mean, I mean, the front humby behind the driver, I got my head out the window and I see this car, 01:18:27.685 --> 01:18:30.767 [SPEAKER_05]: And I'm like fuck dude, he's going like 70, 80, 90 miles an hour. 01:18:30.887 --> 01:18:33.329 [SPEAKER_05]: And dude, our home these might get up to 55. 01:18:33.569 --> 01:18:33.709 [SPEAKER_05]: Okay. 01:18:33.910 --> 01:18:34.330 [SPEAKER_05]: We're lucky. 01:18:34.550 --> 01:18:35.551 [SPEAKER_05]: So he's coming fast. 01:18:36.452 --> 01:18:38.213 [SPEAKER_05]: So I, I start to engage him. 01:18:38.333 --> 01:18:40.434 [SPEAKER_05]: And I hear the gunner up top and he's engaging. 01:18:40.935 --> 01:18:44.938 [SPEAKER_05]: And I just watched and it was like the first couple bullets, the craziest things. 01:18:46.137 --> 01:18:48.278 [SPEAKER_05]: Everything slowed down and everything got quiet. 01:18:48.799 --> 01:18:50.640 [SPEAKER_05]: And I was like, that's fucking insane. 01:18:52.161 --> 01:18:56.384 [SPEAKER_05]: So I engaged, I watched the first couple, they kind of bounce in front of him, then I'm going into the grill. 01:18:56.484 --> 01:19:01.547 [SPEAKER_05]: And then by the time I throw a couple more rounds, like we turn, get on the elevator, how we were out of there. 01:19:02.048 --> 01:19:07.311 [SPEAKER_05]: And my buddy's up top, his name's Mike, he's up there like slapping me on the shoulder man from the turret. 01:19:07.791 --> 01:19:12.775 [SPEAKER_05]: And I was like, fuck dude, and I did I miss something, did I have a bad shoe with fucks going on? 01:19:13.515 --> 01:19:16.796 [SPEAKER_05]: We pull up to the green zone and I'm like, Mike, he might be dude, like what? 01:19:17.476 --> 01:19:18.116 [SPEAKER_05]: What the fuck man? 01:19:18.136 --> 01:19:19.176 [SPEAKER_05]: Why are you slapping me on a show name? 01:19:19.196 --> 01:19:20.897 [SPEAKER_05]: He's like, I was just saying good shoot man. 01:19:20.917 --> 01:19:21.897 [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, I was shooting like I do. 01:19:23.017 --> 01:19:23.677 [SPEAKER_05]: What was it? 01:19:23.697 --> 01:19:24.617 [SPEAKER_05]: What was he going hot with? 01:19:25.658 --> 01:19:28.998 [SPEAKER_05]: Oh, he had, well, he was with his, uh, he had a 240 Bravo up there. 01:19:29.058 --> 01:19:30.579 [SPEAKER_05]: But it was an M4, yeah. 01:19:30.919 --> 01:19:31.179 [SPEAKER_05]: Okay. 01:19:31.199 --> 01:19:32.359 [SPEAKER_05]: We don't he was engaged with the M4. 01:19:32.719 --> 01:19:35.040 [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, and then the the tail gunner. 01:19:35.060 --> 01:19:36.860 [SPEAKER_05]: So dude always had the last time. 01:19:36.920 --> 01:19:38.600 [SPEAKER_05]: He was pretty much 240 Bravo all the time. 01:19:39.181 --> 01:19:39.421 [SPEAKER_04]: Okay. 01:19:39.741 --> 01:19:39.941 [SPEAKER_04]: Nice. 01:19:39.961 --> 01:19:40.701 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah. 01:19:41.484 --> 01:19:52.808 [SPEAKER_04]: That's, um, what was my other thing with the, uh, no, I'm just, I'm just trying to think because it's one of those things where at the time you're not, you're living your history, but, but you don't realize it until later. 01:19:53.169 --> 01:20:04.393 [SPEAKER_04]: But just, just the entire, uh, it just had to be full like what was the, the, the longest as far as, uh, distance and duration, the longest trip protecting someone in Iraq. 01:20:05.571 --> 01:20:12.857 [SPEAKER_05]: So when we got up north, when I was up in per cook, we would do some overnight missions up to like, like, bill common stuff. 01:20:12.877 --> 01:20:18.201 [SPEAKER_05]: So I don't expect anybody familiar with it with me, but not as much as you are. 01:20:18.622 --> 01:20:23.386 [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, these are like two, two hours, three, four hours, whatever it takes to get to where you need to be. 01:20:23.406 --> 01:20:25.007 [SPEAKER_05]: And then we'd stay overnight sometimes. 01:20:25.527 --> 01:20:26.989 [SPEAKER_05]: And then we come back. 01:20:27.769 --> 01:20:32.873 [SPEAKER_05]: I mean, do the best story in the whole book is the Long Range Mission, where my buddy 01:20:33.847 --> 01:20:34.749 [SPEAKER_05]: Well, I just tell it to you, man. 01:20:34.789 --> 01:20:35.810 [SPEAKER_04]: So yeah, yeah, I want to hear it. 01:20:36.672 --> 01:20:38.094 [SPEAKER_05]: So there's two rules. 01:20:38.195 --> 01:20:40.298 [SPEAKER_05]: There's two rules in the apartments of urban. 01:20:40.439 --> 01:20:43.163 [SPEAKER_05]: You don't crack the windows of the doors, and you don't fart. 01:20:44.502 --> 01:20:53.704 [SPEAKER_04]: And we got one guy's name's Ray, and he's like the fucking fart police dude Ray is our Ray and every Ray listening to me You know this Ray you have a nasty ass. 01:20:53.844 --> 01:20:54.304 [SPEAKER_04]: Sorry good. 01:20:54.404 --> 01:21:04.047 [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, so so dude It's somebody far to know be like dude don't fart in the humby new guys come in and they're fart in the fucking suburban We'd like don't fucking fart you don't do that. 01:21:04.067 --> 01:21:07.127 [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, it's the fucking disgusting stop beating cheese before we leave you fucking 01:21:14.897 --> 01:21:18.019 [SPEAKER_05]: So Ray, dude, was like, Morgan, we got to pull over. 01:21:18.099 --> 01:21:22.921 [SPEAKER_05]: We got to principal in the back, we already late, going up to Lake DoCon, and I was like, dude, there's no way we're gonna pull over. 01:21:22.941 --> 01:21:24.042 [SPEAKER_05]: He's like, I'm gonna shit my pants. 01:21:24.862 --> 01:21:26.183 [SPEAKER_05]: Now I was like, you can hold it. 01:21:26.203 --> 01:21:28.364 [SPEAKER_05]: And he's like, no dude, like, it is, it is on. 01:21:28.644 --> 01:21:29.044 [SPEAKER_04]: I got, yeah. 01:21:29.064 --> 01:21:30.445 [SPEAKER_05]: I got your arms, I got your arms, I got your arms. 01:21:31.005 --> 01:21:34.327 [SPEAKER_05]: I called the team leader, and I was like, hey, Mike, we got to pull over. 01:21:34.367 --> 01:21:35.287 [SPEAKER_05]: Ray's gonna shit his pants. 01:21:35.548 --> 01:21:37.329 [SPEAKER_05]: And he's like, no, we can't pull over. 01:21:37.349 --> 01:21:38.789 [SPEAKER_05]: There's no way we're gonna be able to explain that. 01:21:38.829 --> 01:21:39.810 [SPEAKER_04]: Do you realize? 01:21:40.938 --> 01:21:42.259 [SPEAKER_04]: All we're in a conundrum. 01:21:42.379 --> 01:21:43.100 [SPEAKER_04]: Okay, keep going. 01:21:43.120 --> 01:21:55.230 [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, and those suburbans like if you try to sit in them with the up armor that comes down the top like there's not a whole lot of room And Ray is like fucking Surrounding around is looking like at these px bags. 01:21:55.250 --> 01:21:57.812 [SPEAKER_05]: We have in the back grabs and and he's going to he's going to road shit. 01:21:58.192 --> 01:21:59.774 [SPEAKER_05]: Oh, yeah, he's got no another. 01:21:59.814 --> 01:22:01.115 [SPEAKER_04]: Not an up armoured suburban. 01:22:01.455 --> 01:22:04.917 [SPEAKER_05]: Dude, he's at like, he's at the 14 on a scale of one to 10. 01:22:05.258 --> 01:22:06.939 [SPEAKER_05]: Like, it's past spinal tap. 01:22:06.999 --> 01:22:08.540 [SPEAKER_05]: Like, it's fucking on, man. 01:22:09.200 --> 01:22:13.883 [SPEAKER_05]: So he gets this MR-ree and I look in the back and he's like, trying to hold this MR-ree bag. 01:22:13.963 --> 01:22:15.224 [SPEAKER_05]: No, it needs his hands. 01:22:15.684 --> 01:22:17.525 [SPEAKER_05]: And you know that it's gonna turn out bad. 01:22:17.766 --> 01:22:19.407 [SPEAKER_05]: Yes, it's already bad. 01:22:19.567 --> 01:22:19.827 [SPEAKER_05]: Yes. 01:22:21.108 --> 01:22:23.529 [SPEAKER_05]: So we looked over and he's like, who's cooler is that? 01:22:23.549 --> 01:22:24.910 [SPEAKER_05]: And I was like, dude, Ray, that's our cooler, man. 01:22:24.930 --> 01:22:25.711 [SPEAKER_05]: You can't shit in the cooler. 01:22:25.731 --> 01:22:27.632 [SPEAKER_05]: He's like, dude, I will buy you guys all that. 01:22:27.652 --> 01:22:28.192 [SPEAKER_05]: That's a cool. 01:22:32.239 --> 01:22:44.268 [SPEAKER_05]: So I look in the back, he's got his pants down, he's got all this fucking body armor on and he's sitting on the shit on this fucking cooler like it's a, like it's a toily in the back, like the cooler, you know, like the top pops up, that's like the cool, let's see the top. 01:22:44.809 --> 01:22:46.370 [SPEAKER_05]: And he is blasting mud. 01:22:46.990 --> 01:22:48.291 [SPEAKER_05]: And I do, we're laughing so far. 01:22:48.311 --> 01:22:49.913 [SPEAKER_05]: Is the diplomatic in this vehicle? 01:22:50.333 --> 01:22:51.474 [SPEAKER_05]: No, they're in the one behind us. 01:22:51.574 --> 01:22:54.096 [SPEAKER_05]: Well, at least there's a, yeah. 01:22:54.256 --> 01:22:59.320 [SPEAKER_05]: So we get like, I look over the driver and the driver's like, because I'm the TC and the driver's like, 01:23:00.542 --> 01:23:02.322 [SPEAKER_05]: And I was like, dude, don't roll down the windows, man. 01:23:02.362 --> 01:23:05.523 [SPEAKER_05]: And he's like, and dude, it fucking came over my shoulder. 01:23:05.563 --> 01:23:07.283 [SPEAKER_05]: This stink and punch me in the face. 01:23:07.343 --> 01:23:09.524 [SPEAKER_05]: And I was like, roll down your fucking windows, dude. 01:23:09.904 --> 01:23:10.804 [SPEAKER_05]: So we rolled down the windows. 01:23:10.824 --> 01:23:12.124 [SPEAKER_05]: They only come down like three inches. 01:23:12.685 --> 01:23:16.265 [SPEAKER_05]: We got the back doors were being opened up to get the stench out of the car. 01:23:16.465 --> 01:23:19.266 [SPEAKER_05]: And the team leader's like, hey, what's what's going on up there, guys? 01:23:19.326 --> 01:23:21.266 [SPEAKER_05]: And I was like, you're not even leaving me if I told you. 01:23:21.687 --> 01:23:22.407 [SPEAKER_05]: I was like, dude, it's bad. 01:23:22.427 --> 01:23:23.467 [SPEAKER_05]: He's shooting the cooler, man. 01:23:23.507 --> 01:23:28.008 [SPEAKER_05]: He's shooting the guys with the principal listening to the radio comms, trying not to laugh. 01:23:28.853 --> 01:23:31.235 [SPEAKER_05]: And Mikey's like, do you got to get that buttoned up? 01:23:31.275 --> 01:23:33.417 [SPEAKER_05]: The diplomats going to be like, what the fuck is going on? 01:23:33.437 --> 01:23:34.357 [SPEAKER_05]: And we're like, do we're trying, man? 01:23:34.377 --> 01:23:36.939 [SPEAKER_05]: We're trying and we're trying and we're like, it's bad. 01:23:36.959 --> 01:23:38.140 [SPEAKER_05]: You know, internal cons. 01:23:38.180 --> 01:23:39.181 [SPEAKER_05]: It's bad, Mikey, dude. 01:23:39.201 --> 01:23:39.902 [SPEAKER_05]: I'm almost done. 01:23:42.180 --> 01:23:45.883 [SPEAKER_04]: Okay, now what's raise background quickly is he right? 01:23:46.083 --> 01:23:47.043 [SPEAKER_05]: He's a former Marine. 01:23:47.183 --> 01:23:50.125 [SPEAKER_04]: Okay, I mean, this Ray has Marine's written all over. 01:23:50.145 --> 01:23:53.528 [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah He's got like red curly hair. 01:23:53.548 --> 01:23:54.949 [SPEAKER_04]: I got to give him credit though. 01:23:55.549 --> 01:23:59.031 [SPEAKER_04]: Good quick think if you shouldn't the cool you can close the cool it, right? 01:23:59.071 --> 01:24:01.893 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, so maybe his mind's somewhat now the white thing. 01:24:02.093 --> 01:24:08.438 [SPEAKER_04]: I think I think that ship is fucking safe Doesn't really matter at that point, but I mean as far as 01:24:09.158 --> 01:24:12.501 [SPEAKER_04]: The perfect plan only existing in the planning room and handling that high speed. 01:24:12.521 --> 01:24:15.684 [SPEAKER_04]: You're not pulling over to shit when the imagine with the, you all would have been fired. 01:24:15.704 --> 01:24:16.604 [SPEAKER_04]: The diplomat is scared. 01:24:17.005 --> 01:24:18.266 [SPEAKER_04]: He literally scared shitless. 01:24:18.546 --> 01:24:19.387 [SPEAKER_04]: Ray is shitless. 01:24:19.587 --> 01:24:20.428 [SPEAKER_04]: You're not pulling over. 01:24:20.468 --> 01:24:21.568 [SPEAKER_04]: That's, I'm over. 01:24:21.608 --> 01:24:22.549 [SPEAKER_05]: I'll be plus. 01:24:22.669 --> 01:24:25.232 [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, we're like bebopping down at 80 miles an hour. 01:24:25.292 --> 01:24:27.734 [SPEAKER_05]: And then we finally get the cooler closed. 01:24:27.934 --> 01:24:29.035 [SPEAKER_05]: We fucking duct tape it up. 01:24:29.675 --> 01:24:33.739 [SPEAKER_05]: We get to get to get over to the, the actual like little hotel to have it like 01:24:38.015 --> 01:24:42.796 [SPEAKER_04]: So I mean, look, you brought it into the, she got dressed up, you brought it, you might as well dance with it. 01:24:42.816 --> 01:24:46.817 [SPEAKER_05]: It wasn't like, it's like the one that he was a former seal, Phil Pinoguy. 01:24:47.138 --> 01:24:56.020 [SPEAKER_05]: He like cuts the tape and he's like opens it up and it was just like, you could smell it from 20 feet and he's like, oh, and he's like, Morgan, you gotta come see this and I was like, no, you'd I go. 01:24:56.380 --> 01:24:59.361 [SPEAKER_05]: Cause if a dude tells you smell this, it doesn't smell good. 01:24:59.561 --> 01:25:01.702 [SPEAKER_05]: If a girl tells you smell this, it smells nice. 01:25:01.862 --> 01:25:03.382 [SPEAKER_05]: And this was definitely not a girl being like, 01:25:03.602 --> 01:25:06.944 [SPEAKER_04]: There's not a woman within me, you're just a person. 01:25:07.985 --> 01:25:08.685 [SPEAKER_05]: So I would not do it. 01:25:08.705 --> 01:25:10.766 [SPEAKER_05]: I looked in this thing, and it was just sludge. 01:25:11.867 --> 01:25:12.507 [SPEAKER_05]: So I took a picture of it. 01:25:12.527 --> 01:25:14.749 [SPEAKER_05]: Now did he empty the cooler before the happener? 01:25:14.789 --> 01:25:15.930 [SPEAKER_05]: You got mixables in there now. 01:25:16.390 --> 01:25:16.890 [SPEAKER_05]: No, no. 01:25:16.930 --> 01:25:19.912 [SPEAKER_05]: He emptied out the water bottles and the ice, and everything else, dude. 01:25:19.932 --> 01:25:20.632 [SPEAKER_05]: So that's all still. 01:25:20.652 --> 01:25:21.353 [SPEAKER_05]: Where did those go? 01:25:21.373 --> 01:25:22.634 [SPEAKER_04]: That's in the suburban zone? 01:25:22.814 --> 01:25:24.275 [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, that's just hanging out in the suburban, man. 01:25:24.315 --> 01:25:27.436 [SPEAKER_04]: He got a shit cooler and floor ice. 01:25:28.377 --> 01:25:29.478 [SPEAKER_04]: At least you're going to hydrate. 01:25:30.458 --> 01:25:32.881 [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, well you can drink it off the carpet. 01:25:33.441 --> 01:25:34.322 [SPEAKER_04]: Oh, that's bloody awful. 01:25:34.342 --> 01:25:35.123 [SPEAKER_04]: What'd you do with the cooler? 01:25:35.143 --> 01:25:37.365 [SPEAKER_04]: You give it to the Give it to the Air Force? 01:25:37.946 --> 01:25:51.920 [SPEAKER_04]: No, do that the Navy seal guy walks over to right next to the fucking hotel and just throws it off the side Bear yeah, I'm not I'm not read I could see someone in my former squad or and actually Barely cleaning it out and then using it as a prank like letting someone use that is oh god 01:25:52.240 --> 01:26:14.036 [SPEAKER_05]: five years and sending them a picture of mudfucks that once lived in the biodome of raised fucking 90 mile an hour cooler, holy crap that's it's so then okay you do that then it's just business as usual yeah business usual it's like you know I was the I was the taxable commander so I went in we got keys for the hotels and it's like this is who's gonna do what's shift 01:26:14.985 --> 01:26:17.366 [SPEAKER_05]: The next morning, it was um, that was telebony. 01:26:17.506 --> 01:26:18.286 [SPEAKER_05]: It's like fat dude. 01:26:18.306 --> 01:26:20.926 [SPEAKER_05]: He looked like one of those guys from, uh, yeah, I remember, I remember. 01:26:20.946 --> 01:26:22.387 [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, he was just a fat dude. 01:26:22.987 --> 01:26:26.287 [SPEAKER_05]: So I'm down there like getting some breakfast and he's sitting down on the back port. 01:26:26.327 --> 01:26:32.529 [SPEAKER_05]: He's already smoking a cigar and he's like, come sit down and I was like, look, I've got those cigars from Cuba. 01:26:32.549 --> 01:26:35.449 [SPEAKER_04]: He's got the USA fucking fraud patch fair money. 01:26:35.749 --> 01:26:36.989 [SPEAKER_04]: He's living the dream baby. 01:26:37.009 --> 01:26:41.090 [SPEAKER_04]: This is, it might be a shit hole that you, but he's a, he's a pig and shit right now, baby. 01:26:41.270 --> 01:26:44.251 [SPEAKER_05]: Oh, he's, I mean, he rules half of Curtis and yeah. 01:26:44.791 --> 01:26:49.072 [SPEAKER_04]: I'm pretty sure he's the president at the time and I'm sitting there and they got no problems with the American money over there, man. 01:26:49.292 --> 01:26:49.593 [SPEAKER_05]: No. 01:26:50.033 --> 01:26:52.553 [SPEAKER_05]: So yeah, it was I was like only a blackwater. 01:26:52.573 --> 01:26:56.955 [SPEAKER_05]: You like one moment you're shooting in the cooler and the next you're hanging out with the president of Iraq. 01:26:57.135 --> 01:26:59.155 [SPEAKER_04]: She that's what I'm saying. 01:26:59.516 --> 01:27:03.117 [SPEAKER_04]: That's the adventure you can get on that I love that I was just talking to someone about the 250th 01:27:04.237 --> 01:27:21.725 [SPEAKER_04]: birthday this country it's this country you can go on that adventure look at look at what you did seriously more think about that you like i was saying the other day i just i i i i i i i'm nothing special i just left the house you left the house didn't quit look at the adventures you can do that in america i mean this is what i've been telling people the only reason i did this stuff is because i said yes 01:27:22.897 --> 01:27:24.580 [SPEAKER_05]: Like it really is that simple. 01:27:24.660 --> 01:27:28.066 [SPEAKER_05]: People are so worried about what's going to happen or how do I do this or how do I not. 01:27:28.087 --> 01:27:30.531 [SPEAKER_05]: And it's like just fucking just say yes and try it man. 01:27:30.611 --> 01:27:32.695 [SPEAKER_05]: Go make yourself available wherever you are be there. 01:27:33.036 --> 01:27:33.997 [SPEAKER_05]: It's it. 01:27:34.037 --> 01:27:34.198 [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah. 01:27:34.218 --> 01:27:35.300 [SPEAKER_05]: So guns grows and greed. 01:27:36.597 --> 01:27:39.898 [SPEAKER_05]: So Guns Girls in Green is the rerelease from Welcome to Blackwater. 01:27:40.018 --> 01:27:45.780 [SPEAKER_04]: Okay, that was my only, that was my only thing I didn't, I didn't want to scream on the Welcome to Black, I actually have Welcome to Blackwater. 01:27:46.321 --> 01:27:48.081 [SPEAKER_05]: I draw a dick in it, I do a lot of dicks in it. 01:27:48.121 --> 01:27:54.024 [SPEAKER_04]: I think you may have upon request, but yeah, I have it in my library, that's very cool. 01:27:54.044 --> 01:28:05.088 [SPEAKER_04]: I want I need to get this one too, but yeah, just, so you finish up with this chaos because people do ask about the transition military back to civilian or military to 01:28:06.068 --> 01:28:07.549 [SPEAKER_04]: civilian culture are two normal civilian. 01:28:07.849 --> 01:28:10.011 [SPEAKER_04]: You went to university in northern Arizona. 01:28:10.972 --> 01:28:12.673 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, and then got a degree. 01:28:12.733 --> 01:28:13.754 [SPEAKER_04]: So then you get a degree. 01:28:13.774 --> 01:28:14.374 [SPEAKER_04]: What's your degree in? 01:28:15.075 --> 01:28:16.016 [SPEAKER_05]: Oh criminal justice. 01:28:16.076 --> 01:28:22.561 [SPEAKER_05]: So when you deploy in the military, you go with your dudes, you come back with your dudes, you have your dudes. 01:28:23.201 --> 01:28:26.344 [SPEAKER_05]: When you deploy as a contractor, you come back and it's just you. 01:28:27.143 --> 01:28:28.524 [SPEAKER_05]: It's just fucking you, man. 01:28:28.844 --> 01:28:33.007 [SPEAKER_05]: And if that is a lonely place, right, because your buddies are all overseas, you can get on the next contract. 01:28:33.027 --> 01:28:40.153 [SPEAKER_05]: You know, I say, war is toxic, but it's intoxicating, like you know it's not good for you, but all your buddies are there. 01:28:40.293 --> 01:28:40.973 [SPEAKER_05]: And what do you want to do? 01:28:40.993 --> 01:28:44.156 [SPEAKER_05]: You want to sit on your couch and pet your dog or do you want to go back overseas? 01:28:44.716 --> 01:28:46.398 [SPEAKER_05]: So that was the hardest transition. 01:28:46.718 --> 01:28:51.681 [SPEAKER_05]: So what I did is I went to Northern Arizona University and started to get my degree. 01:28:52.482 --> 01:28:54.343 [SPEAKER_05]: And I walked into the army ROTC. 01:28:54.363 --> 01:28:55.644 [SPEAKER_05]: It was like, I want to fly helicopters. 01:28:56.064 --> 01:28:58.105 [SPEAKER_05]: And they're like, man, you can do whatever you want. 01:28:58.125 --> 01:28:59.506 [SPEAKER_05]: You know, classic recruiter shit. 01:28:59.666 --> 01:29:00.446 [SPEAKER_04]: Oh, you didn't even ever. 01:29:00.466 --> 01:29:00.646 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah. 01:29:01.447 --> 01:29:02.227 [SPEAKER_05]: You signed right here. 01:29:02.247 --> 01:29:03.368 [SPEAKER_05]: You'll be flying a patches. 01:29:03.768 --> 01:29:04.828 [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, I signed it, dude. 01:29:04.968 --> 01:29:07.930 [SPEAKER_05]: And then they were like, OK, so that's a six-year contract. 01:29:07.990 --> 01:29:09.691 [SPEAKER_05]: And then it's 18 months for training. 01:29:09.711 --> 01:29:12.292 [SPEAKER_05]: So you're looking at seven and a half years if you go helicopter pilot. 01:29:12.392 --> 01:29:13.413 [SPEAKER_05]: And I was like, fuck you. 01:29:13.433 --> 01:29:15.594 [SPEAKER_05]: I was like, I know I'm not going to like the army. 01:29:15.614 --> 01:29:16.974 [SPEAKER_05]: I just wanted to go do something cool. 01:29:17.054 --> 01:29:19.756 [SPEAKER_05]: So I ended up commissioning as an Intel officer 01:29:22.909 --> 01:29:23.750 [SPEAKER_05]: with the Fort Lewis. 01:29:24.310 --> 01:29:26.271 [SPEAKER_05]: We had an intelligence brigade up there. 01:29:27.032 --> 01:29:29.053 [SPEAKER_05]: And I was like, please, God, just send me to Afghanistan. 01:29:29.073 --> 01:29:32.195 [SPEAKER_05]: I'm so fucking tired of Iraq, and then we're like, how about Iraq? 01:29:32.235 --> 01:29:33.416 [SPEAKER_04]: How about Iraq for a change? 01:29:33.476 --> 01:29:38.820 [SPEAKER_04]: So now you're going, so you went, once is there a force, once the black water now you're going back, Harvey, and tell, well, now where are you going to go now? 01:29:39.640 --> 01:29:42.382 [SPEAKER_05]: So we went to a little file called copcash. 01:29:42.643 --> 01:29:48.368 [SPEAKER_05]: It's where the nuclear reactor, the Iraq nuclear reactor was, where the Israeli's bomb did I think in 88. 01:29:48.408 --> 01:29:51.750 [SPEAKER_05]: So I was there and then we had like an underperforming. 01:29:51.770 --> 01:29:53.011 [SPEAKER_04]: Why would they do that in other cases? 01:29:53.051 --> 01:29:55.393 [SPEAKER_04]: People get nukes can't let them have a better bomb on time shit. 01:29:55.734 --> 01:29:55.954 [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah. 01:29:56.054 --> 01:29:56.655 [SPEAKER_05]: No, exactly. 01:29:56.755 --> 01:29:58.956 [SPEAKER_05]: Actually, the story is really cool. 01:29:59.837 --> 01:30:01.178 [SPEAKER_05]: You'll have to look it up if you're listening. 01:30:01.218 --> 01:30:05.222 [SPEAKER_05]: But like the Israeli pilots were speaking Arabic and Jordanian accents. 01:30:05.362 --> 01:30:06.543 [SPEAKER_04]: Get the fuck out of here. 01:30:06.823 --> 01:30:13.068 [SPEAKER_05]: So that like when they got intercepted that they would say, oh, it's just Jordanian plane and then they came in and they bomb the shit out of it. 01:30:13.128 --> 01:30:15.330 [SPEAKER_05]: It's called the Osirac, but yeah, it was cool, man. 01:30:15.470 --> 01:30:16.451 [SPEAKER_04]: I should have looked at that one. 01:30:16.471 --> 01:30:17.892 [SPEAKER_04]: By New Day bomb, I didn't know that part. 01:30:17.913 --> 01:30:21.155 [SPEAKER_04]: We're speaking in a different dialect. 01:30:21.195 --> 01:30:23.397 [SPEAKER_04]: That's some straight-up James Bond ship, man. 01:30:24.577 --> 01:30:26.919 [SPEAKER_05]: So I did, I found this little puppy that was there. 01:30:27.259 --> 01:30:33.063 [SPEAKER_05]: So I sent that dog home because I was like, I fucking hate this place, but if I could save a dog, like I feel like I was like done something. 01:30:33.083 --> 01:30:35.104 [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, so I sent the dog home from copcash. 01:30:35.905 --> 01:30:39.047 [SPEAKER_05]: And then we had this underperforming team at JSS Justice. 01:30:39.067 --> 01:30:40.468 [SPEAKER_05]: Now, JSS Justice is where, 01:30:41.368 --> 01:30:42.808 [SPEAKER_05]: all the fucking leaders argued. 01:30:42.949 --> 01:30:46.890 [SPEAKER_05]: Like that little guy with the mustache, Cherica Z's, he was there when we were up there. 01:30:46.910 --> 01:30:47.830 [SPEAKER_05]: Oh, I remember that dude. 01:30:48.150 --> 01:30:55.292 [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, so every time, but there was a raid done, we had SF on that, you know, this is, this is where I say if somebody tells you that they supported special forces. 01:30:55.652 --> 01:30:56.232 [SPEAKER_05]: Oh, I love those. 01:30:56.252 --> 01:30:56.833 [SPEAKER_05]: Oh, I love those too. 01:30:57.133 --> 01:31:00.414 [SPEAKER_05]: I think like, so I supported special forces meeting. 01:31:00.694 --> 01:31:06.655 [SPEAKER_05]: They gave us all their cell phones and fucking, you know, cameras and everything else and then we'd exploit them. 01:31:06.715 --> 01:31:08.636 [SPEAKER_05]: So due to it's like an Intel gold mine up there. 01:31:09.376 --> 01:31:32.564 [SPEAKER_05]: And then I stayed up there, I fixed the team, the team went from being like fucking, you know, last, I think we were the second highest producing and tell team and I rack and then these fucking contractors come in fucking contractors come in and they're eating at my childhood, I was like, I didn't even know you guys were coming in and why didn't you tell me like, well, how are you going to get support and it took me like half a second to be like, oh yeah, that was me. 01:31:32.924 --> 01:31:34.465 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, I fucking totally get it. 01:31:35.263 --> 01:31:38.566 [SPEAKER_05]: But I was at the same place, making a third of the money. 01:31:38.586 --> 01:31:46.473 [SPEAKER_05]: Fucking, getting to go see worse than I'm who's saying got hanged, which I saw before you got hanged there with Blackwater and then seeing it again. 01:31:46.834 --> 01:31:49.636 [SPEAKER_05]: Seeing little turicazies and do they had this fucking, 01:31:50.557 --> 01:31:51.257 [SPEAKER_05]: It was just a fence. 01:31:51.277 --> 01:31:56.299 [SPEAKER_05]: It was like a 10-foot-tall rectangle fence and that was their exercise area. 01:31:56.779 --> 01:31:59.440 [SPEAKER_05]: And to read because he's just sitting there brushing his mustache. 01:31:59.460 --> 01:32:01.940 [SPEAKER_05]: He had come in his mustache in the civil tiny mirror that they had. 01:32:01.960 --> 01:32:07.742 [SPEAKER_05]: And then he ended up getting cancer and they sent him to be Jordan to die or something, but yeah, yeah. 01:32:08.542 --> 01:32:10.943 [SPEAKER_05]: And I got back and I was like, I'm getting a fuck out of the army man. 01:32:12.525 --> 01:32:19.509 [SPEAKER_04]: How many years, like not consecutive years, but which years were you in Iraq? 01:32:19.709 --> 01:32:23.631 [SPEAKER_04]: I've got what 050607, but I'm not consecutive. 01:32:23.971 --> 01:32:29.094 [SPEAKER_05]: But you're like there from 0303, 0405, and the 9 and 10. 01:32:29.114 --> 01:32:31.735 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, and did you get to have Ganesha? 01:32:32.460 --> 01:32:35.242 [SPEAKER_05]: No, I never got that dude my way and you're missing out. 01:32:35.502 --> 01:32:39.105 [SPEAKER_05]: My wife got to go over there and I was like, it, come on, man, you're killing me. 01:32:39.225 --> 01:32:41.607 [SPEAKER_04]: That's a different, that's such a different place too. 01:32:41.627 --> 01:32:52.095 [SPEAKER_04]: I mean, even with the way the fighters are because in Iraq historically, we were dealing with, uh, if it, what we didn't deal much with the shea, but we deal with foreign fighters, Sunni, uh, but they were like pussy. 01:32:52.115 --> 01:32:57.379 [SPEAKER_04]: They, they would show up and torture the local Sunni, then we'd show up in whatever, but you're, you know, I've gasped him and you're fighting the 01:32:59.040 --> 01:33:02.463 [SPEAKER_04]: If you're having a good day, you're running some Chetchins or dudes from back to Pakistan. 01:33:02.483 --> 01:33:04.885 [SPEAKER_04]: Like the guys in UFC, you don't want to see fight because they're going to win. 01:33:05.105 --> 01:33:05.545 [SPEAKER_04]: Those guys. 01:33:05.886 --> 01:33:06.666 [SPEAKER_04]: Different places. 01:33:07.187 --> 01:33:08.027 [SPEAKER_04]: It would have been cool to see. 01:33:08.047 --> 01:33:13.012 [SPEAKER_05]: But well, the crazy thing is like, when I was in Iraq, I was like, dude, Afghanistan is fucking crazy. 01:33:13.132 --> 01:33:13.912 [SPEAKER_05]: And then I talked to people. 01:33:13.932 --> 01:33:15.213 [SPEAKER_05]: They were in Afghanistan in 0405. 01:33:15.253 --> 01:33:18.376 [SPEAKER_05]: And they were like, no, dude, when I went to Iraq, it was fucking crazy. 01:33:18.396 --> 01:33:18.976 [SPEAKER_05]: Afghanistan. 01:33:19.297 --> 01:33:24.981 [SPEAKER_05]: So it's like these little windows of, but if you're in just right, the TVB is for the enemy change. 01:33:25.001 --> 01:33:27.203 [SPEAKER_04]: When we were actually, you remember, 01:33:28.244 --> 01:33:32.508 [SPEAKER_04]: Did you see a couple weeks ago there was a Navy seal Admiral on TV and they're saying he was wearing a mask. 01:33:32.848 --> 01:33:33.348 [SPEAKER_04]: You see that guy? 01:33:33.689 --> 01:33:34.209 [SPEAKER_04]: Balls had a dude. 01:33:34.229 --> 01:33:34.870 [SPEAKER_05]: I didn't see that one. 01:33:34.890 --> 01:33:36.331 [SPEAKER_04]: But Admiral Harwood, I think it was bad. 01:33:36.431 --> 01:33:37.132 [SPEAKER_04]: It was bad lighting. 01:33:37.152 --> 01:33:37.912 [SPEAKER_04]: They're just trying something out. 01:33:37.932 --> 01:33:38.833 [SPEAKER_04]: He's a good dude, whatever. 01:33:39.153 --> 01:33:49.302 [SPEAKER_04]: I remember talking to him, oh, five inch, oh, six inch, and Afghanistan, and having the conversation that they've never been suicide bombings in Afghanistan, and he was on the side of well, the pride never will be. 01:33:49.322 --> 01:33:50.043 [SPEAKER_04]: And I'm like, well, fuck that. 01:33:50.063 --> 01:33:50.864 [SPEAKER_04]: They're definitely will be. 01:33:51.164 --> 01:33:55.007 [SPEAKER_04]: But literally, because again, when you're living the time, it's like, well, there isn't any now. 01:33:55.027 --> 01:33:55.588 [SPEAKER_04]: So there won't be. 01:33:56.519 --> 01:34:03.804 [SPEAKER_04]: It's the whole just because you're not a war with someone doesn't mean they're not a war with you, it's it's it's crazy, but I love how you went back to just you just 01:34:04.703 --> 01:34:05.444 [SPEAKER_04]: Just kept going. 01:34:05.464 --> 01:34:06.004 [SPEAKER_04]: Just said yes. 01:34:06.665 --> 01:34:06.925 [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah. 01:34:07.025 --> 01:34:09.507 [SPEAKER_05]: Well, dude, and I will give this to the officer corps. 01:34:09.527 --> 01:34:12.349 [SPEAKER_05]: So when I was enlisted, it's always like, well, I went through the suck. 01:34:12.369 --> 01:34:13.129 [SPEAKER_05]: You figure it out. 01:34:13.710 --> 01:34:13.910 [SPEAKER_05]: Right. 01:34:13.950 --> 01:34:14.571 [SPEAKER_05]: I hadn't do it. 01:34:14.891 --> 01:34:15.071 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah. 01:34:15.111 --> 01:34:18.854 [SPEAKER_05]: And the officer corps, you get guys that are like, okay, this is what you should do. 01:34:18.934 --> 01:34:25.519 [SPEAKER_05]: Like, this is how in a lot of its career base, and I just wasn't a career base guy, but I'm at the right dudes that were like, what do you do when you get out? 01:34:25.659 --> 01:34:28.441 [SPEAKER_05]: You should go to like fucking these studious grad schools. 01:34:28.461 --> 01:34:31.563 [SPEAKER_05]: You should be going to the Harvard's, the Tufts, the Ushikago's, and I was like, 01:34:34.005 --> 01:34:35.986 [SPEAKER_05]: Well, like, like, I grew up in Kotwood. 01:34:36.026 --> 01:34:39.106 [SPEAKER_05]: If it wasn't Harvard, it's not, it's not like a cool school. 01:34:39.166 --> 01:34:41.647 [SPEAKER_05]: So when I got out of the army, that's what I did. 01:34:41.667 --> 01:34:42.827 [SPEAKER_05]: I went and went to Grand School. 01:34:42.847 --> 01:34:47.228 [SPEAKER_05]: I was going to I was going to join the fucking CIA and then I went to DC. 01:34:47.248 --> 01:34:49.109 [SPEAKER_05]: I was like, I can't live here, dude. 01:34:49.409 --> 01:34:49.909 [SPEAKER_05]: I can't do it. 01:34:49.929 --> 01:34:51.809 [SPEAKER_05]: I can't, I can't, I can't make that happen. 01:34:51.869 --> 01:34:54.030 [SPEAKER_05]: So I jumped over to the business side. 01:35:03.520 --> 01:35:19.648 [SPEAKER_04]: to a junior officer, a couple of cents of advice of just about what to do is for, I mean, anything as far as your senior enlisted leadership, your senior O leadership, what advice would you give a jail right now on the end? 01:35:19.688 --> 01:35:24.490 [SPEAKER_04]: Not even on the intel side, just a jail be it line officer staff officer, intel, whatever, what would you say? 01:35:25.170 --> 01:35:31.935 [SPEAKER_05]: I would say go do the shittiest thing you possibly can when you get out because the shittiest thing is what pays off, right? 01:35:32.475 --> 01:35:41.041 [SPEAKER_05]: So I went in and was going to do security studies at Tufts and I ended up going into international banking and finance and it sucks. 01:35:41.442 --> 01:35:42.723 [SPEAKER_05]: Do it if fucking blows. 01:35:43.623 --> 01:35:55.787 [SPEAKER_05]: right at the end of the day, nobody wants to hire some guy for international security studies unless you're going down to DC, but a lot of people want to hire the dude that does finance or accounting or engineering or anything. 01:35:56.287 --> 01:36:09.152 [SPEAKER_05]: So even if you get to a certain point in your career, you have got to figure out what sucks the worst and what's going to, because that's what's going to make you the most marketable and then you can kind of start writing your ticket. 01:36:09.923 --> 01:36:15.568 [SPEAKER_04]: Does that include a job, I mean, if jobs are taken by AI, does that still just still do the shitty thing you can? 01:36:16.518 --> 01:36:22.563 [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, you can have jobs that are taken by AI to a certain extent, but you have to have the human element. 01:36:22.603 --> 01:36:23.564 [SPEAKER_05]: Did you just see Ford? 01:36:23.604 --> 01:36:28.107 [SPEAKER_05]: Ford was like, oh, we're cutting the thousand jobs for AI and they're like, oh, we just brought those guys back in. 01:36:28.368 --> 01:36:33.592 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, because the AI is going to figure a lot of, yeah, well, that's a nutball crack later. 01:36:33.932 --> 01:36:39.957 [SPEAKER_04]: You said you'd have to live in DC with the CA, what are three things to turn you off about potentially living in DC? 01:36:40.578 --> 01:36:44.100 [SPEAKER_05]: The traffic, the mosquitoes, and the fucking politics, those guys. 01:36:44.861 --> 01:36:46.362 [SPEAKER_05]: don't put on Monday night football. 01:36:46.462 --> 01:36:50.743 [SPEAKER_05]: They put on C-span, go to the bar, and then they bitch about politics, man. 01:36:50.823 --> 01:36:53.724 [SPEAKER_05]: It's your whole fucking life when you're out in DC. 01:36:53.804 --> 01:36:57.306 [SPEAKER_04]: The mosquitoes fit right in because everything else there sucks the blood out of America too. 01:36:58.086 --> 01:36:59.787 [SPEAKER_04]: Hey, oh, what would you uh? 01:37:00.927 --> 01:37:10.982 [SPEAKER_04]: Somebody, let's say there's a dude right now in Arizona that is an army vet and then it's thinking about contracting and he's 25. 01:37:11.102 --> 01:37:13.886 [SPEAKER_04]: What advice would you give him right now the state of the world right now? 01:37:14.627 --> 01:37:15.308 [SPEAKER_04]: Almost at the midterms. 01:37:16.109 --> 01:37:22.093 [SPEAKER_05]: So, do this advice I give everybody, go in, get your nut, and get the fuck out. 01:37:22.253 --> 01:37:28.557 [SPEAKER_05]: Because what happens is, some of those guys that were in Gaza were on the same contracts, I was in 0405. 01:37:29.278 --> 01:37:31.780 [SPEAKER_05]: And if you go and you blow your money, 01:37:32.680 --> 01:37:37.183 [SPEAKER_05]: You're just going to, so it's a difference between wanting to go back and half and to go back, right? 01:37:37.743 --> 01:37:41.245 [SPEAKER_05]: So if you go in and you make money and you set a goal and you say, well, pay off my house. 01:37:41.405 --> 01:37:46.048 [SPEAKER_05]: I'm going to have $500,000 to $1,000,000, whatever it is, then you can choose to go back. 01:37:46.328 --> 01:37:54.193 [SPEAKER_05]: If you come home like I did by a land rover and fuck and blow your cash, you have to take that next contract and you have to take the next one and you have to take the next one. 01:37:54.993 --> 01:38:00.194 [SPEAKER_05]: We had guys that were retired, E7, E89, that were like, yep, I'm getting a divorce. 01:38:00.574 --> 01:38:05.035 [SPEAKER_05]: My wife wants me to come home, but this is the best money I'm ever going to make, so fuck it. 01:38:05.055 --> 01:38:12.276 [SPEAKER_05]: And I was like, it's not worth losing what you have to go over there and make the money. 01:38:12.336 --> 01:38:18.237 [SPEAKER_05]: But if you can make the money in six months a year and then get the fuck out, that's the best way to do it. 01:38:18.277 --> 01:38:20.397 [SPEAKER_04]: That's almost, well, what are you earning the money for? 01:38:20.457 --> 01:38:21.458 [SPEAKER_04]: Don't you don't get divorced? 01:38:25.109 --> 01:38:30.193 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, well, no, again, I understand, man, at the time, too, it's like, how long is this going to last? 01:38:30.914 --> 01:38:33.135 [SPEAKER_04]: But what am I employable for? 01:38:33.956 --> 01:38:35.637 [SPEAKER_05]: Well, I mean, that's the same thing. 01:38:35.697 --> 01:38:43.063 [SPEAKER_05]: So that's why it's like, I do encourage any military veteran get out, use your GI Bill, go and actually take advantage of that. 01:38:43.083 --> 01:38:44.945 [SPEAKER_05]: Because that gives you time to cool down, right? 01:38:44.965 --> 01:38:46.866 [SPEAKER_05]: Because everybody's like, oh, my purpose, my purpose. 01:38:47.287 --> 01:38:50.109 [SPEAKER_05]: The problem with the military is that your purpose is what pays you. 01:38:51.323 --> 01:38:52.685 [SPEAKER_05]: Right, general order number one. 01:38:52.705 --> 01:38:55.307 [SPEAKER_05]: I'm an American fighting in the forces with guard our country and our way of life. 01:38:55.347 --> 01:38:56.949 [SPEAKER_05]: I'm prepared to give my life in their defense. 01:38:57.569 --> 01:39:02.934 [SPEAKER_05]: That's your purpose, but it's also your paycheck and then you get out and your paycheck and your purpose or separate. 01:39:03.635 --> 01:39:10.821 [SPEAKER_05]: So you've got to figure out, can I do my paycheck there and find my purpose and do golfing with my kids is the coolest fucking thing ever. 01:39:11.566 --> 01:39:13.207 [SPEAKER_05]: and I suck and golf, I'm telling. 01:39:13.928 --> 01:39:20.093 [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, but at the same time like that's my purpose is to grow these people in a normal humans and my job is separate from that, right? 01:39:20.393 --> 01:39:24.116 [SPEAKER_04]: Oh, and that comes with age, not even experience, but age. 01:39:24.416 --> 01:39:31.622 [SPEAKER_04]: You know, my purpose is that my purpose is laying in the grass with my two-year-old daughter pretending we're puppies, just laying in the grass. 01:39:31.642 --> 01:39:33.924 [SPEAKER_04]: That is, if I could do anything, that's what I would do. 01:39:34.972 --> 01:39:40.177 [SPEAKER_05]: I might my son hit like a bump in run from I don't know 35 feet out or something. 01:39:40.197 --> 01:39:43.361 [SPEAKER_05]: It went in the hole and it was like the coolest thing I've ever seen in my life. 01:39:43.921 --> 01:39:45.603 [SPEAKER_04]: Like how old is your son? 01:39:46.255 --> 01:39:46.656 [SPEAKER_05]: He's 10. 01:39:46.676 --> 01:39:55.826 [SPEAKER_05]: I got a daughter of the 12 and I got a son that's 10 and we're just at that age now where it's like so awesome Yeah, you get that you get to like celebrate their victories with them. 01:39:55.846 --> 01:39:56.848 [SPEAKER_04]: That's yeah, that's purpose. 01:39:56.868 --> 01:40:04.857 [SPEAKER_04]: That's all it is Well, man, that's the best um Could you would you mind so what are you into now now that we're not blazing guns what do you do? 01:40:06.259 --> 01:40:07.500 [SPEAKER_05]: I'm a corporate chill. 01:40:07.860 --> 01:40:10.721 [SPEAKER_05]: I'm the guy that does a bunch of like IT integrations. 01:40:11.261 --> 01:40:23.985 [SPEAKER_05]: So I got my degree in the international banking finance and then I said yes when they said you want to take over this team in IT and then once I did that they said now you're going to take over this IT platform with the product and now that's that's what I do. 01:40:24.165 --> 01:40:32.408 [SPEAKER_05]: So I make big computers talk to other big computers and it pays good and fucking gives me the latitude to be able to pick up my kids and that's 01:40:34.789 --> 01:40:36.630 [SPEAKER_04]: That's it right there. 01:40:37.091 --> 01:40:38.712 [SPEAKER_04]: Where can the listeners find you? 01:40:38.732 --> 01:40:41.734 [SPEAKER_04]: I see that you've got guns greed guns girls and greed behind you. 01:40:41.754 --> 01:40:43.154 [SPEAKER_04]: Where where's the people look for you? 01:40:44.715 --> 01:40:46.176 [SPEAKER_05]: If you want the book track and down on Amazon. 01:40:46.196 --> 01:40:49.278 [SPEAKER_04]: Get the fucking book if you're listening to this right now stop. 01:40:49.699 --> 01:40:55.682 [SPEAKER_04]: Stop what you're doing get this book get the Cut the book you can hold you will read this book in no time. 01:40:55.722 --> 01:40:56.323 [SPEAKER_04]: I assure you 01:40:57.510 --> 01:41:03.677 [SPEAKER_05]: Sorry, that's not what you're going to tell, sorry, no, some dude was like, I haven't read a book since high school and I fucking read yours in 36 hours. 01:41:03.737 --> 01:41:10.524 [SPEAKER_04]: If you're a man with a penis, you're going to like this book, you know what, if you're a woman with a penis, you're going to like this book. 01:41:12.868 --> 01:41:13.429 [SPEAKER_04]: Like this book. 01:41:13.549 --> 01:41:14.209 [SPEAKER_04]: I had a blast rate. 01:41:14.229 --> 01:41:14.789 [SPEAKER_04]: I'm gonna read it again. 01:41:15.610 --> 01:41:16.410 [SPEAKER_05]: Nice. 01:41:16.450 --> 01:41:25.976 [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, so I'm on Instagram I'm at Blackwater dude won the Blackwater guys are like, oh, he calls himself the Blackwater dude and I was like, no Just like they say who is that? 01:41:25.996 --> 01:41:27.396 [SPEAKER_05]: I think it's oh, he's the Blackwater dude. 01:41:27.637 --> 01:41:28.077 [SPEAKER_05]: Why come on? 01:41:28.577 --> 01:41:35.560 [SPEAKER_04]: So if you look, and I get a lot of haters on Instagram, if you're a hater, I love you follow Blackwater dudes for sure. 01:41:35.620 --> 01:41:36.580 [SPEAKER_04]: You can hate over there a lot. 01:41:36.600 --> 01:41:37.360 [SPEAKER_04]: He'll respond too. 01:41:37.400 --> 01:41:37.800 [SPEAKER_04]: I've seen it. 01:41:38.461 --> 01:41:39.921 [SPEAKER_05]: Oh, yeah, no, I'll poke I'll poke back. 01:41:39.981 --> 01:41:42.442 [SPEAKER_04]: So, well, that's that's awesome. 01:41:42.462 --> 01:41:47.764 [SPEAKER_04]: And I'll get I'll put I'll put these all up right now, too, but anything else you want to leave us with before we cut loose. 01:41:48.964 --> 01:41:55.467 [SPEAKER_05]: Now, man, just I honestly, the thing that kind of drives me besides the kids is like helping somebody. 01:41:55.767 --> 01:41:56.007 [SPEAKER_05]: It's like, 01:41:57.050 --> 01:42:01.571 [SPEAKER_05]: You know, when you don't want to go to the gym, if you're at your ass of the gym, and at the end of it, you feel better. 01:42:01.591 --> 01:42:04.072 [SPEAKER_04]: The best work that you're going to get, yeah. 01:42:04.112 --> 01:42:06.952 [SPEAKER_05]: That's what I feel about, like, just being able to help people out. 01:42:07.012 --> 01:42:11.013 [SPEAKER_05]: And look, I'm not going to give you a money or anything, but I've helped veterans do resumes. 01:42:11.053 --> 01:42:18.355 [SPEAKER_05]: I've helped them find jobs, I've referred people, like if you can go and you can fucking help somebody, you're never going to regret it. 01:42:18.455 --> 01:42:21.455 [SPEAKER_05]: So I guess that's your PBS special. 01:42:21.816 --> 01:42:22.276 [SPEAKER_04]: I love it. 01:42:22.336 --> 01:42:23.176 [SPEAKER_04]: I love it. 01:42:23.476 --> 01:42:23.816 [SPEAKER_04]: Love it. 01:42:24.944 --> 01:42:25.844 [SPEAKER_04]: Well, I had a blast to open. 01:42:25.884 --> 01:42:28.165 [SPEAKER_04]: If others are great, thank you for having me on, man. 01:42:28.365 --> 01:42:28.925 [SPEAKER_04]: Hell yes. 01:42:29.125 --> 01:42:29.845 [SPEAKER_04]: And we'll do this again. 01:42:29.985 --> 01:42:32.746 [SPEAKER_04]: We can talk current events or at Dorky Intel stuff. 01:42:32.766 --> 01:42:34.807 [SPEAKER_05]: You like, oh, I can do it. 01:42:34.867 --> 01:42:35.707 [SPEAKER_05]: I wrote a letter. 01:42:36.107 --> 01:42:41.189 [SPEAKER_05]: So I applied for the CIA and I wrote how the I ratings could take on the straight ahead moves back in. 01:42:41.209 --> 01:42:41.729 [SPEAKER_05]: It was 07. 01:42:42.749 --> 01:42:47.133 [SPEAKER_05]: And if the CIA kicked, kicked that one out like they were like, oh, we're not going to go for it. 01:42:47.153 --> 01:42:50.796 [SPEAKER_04]: If you find a copy of that or copies of any of these papers, I'll gladly take them and read them. 01:42:50.816 --> 01:42:51.716 [SPEAKER_04]: That's stuff fascination. 01:42:51.797 --> 01:42:54.239 [SPEAKER_04]: I'm good call by the way, because it turns out straight to our moves. 01:42:54.519 --> 01:42:57.601 [SPEAKER_04]: No one knew what that was when you wrote about it, but now everyone seems to at least say it. 01:42:57.962 --> 01:43:01.004 [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, so we'll fuck those guys first off. 01:43:01.024 --> 01:43:02.625 [SPEAKER_04]: First of all, and definitely fuck them. 01:43:02.645 --> 01:43:03.026 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, right. 01:43:04.727 --> 01:43:06.248 [SPEAKER_05]: Well, thank you again for coming on the show. 01:43:06.368 --> 01:43:06.649 [SPEAKER_05]: Flash. 01:43:06.669 --> 01:43:07.609 [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, thanks so much. 01:43:07.870 --> 01:43:08.090 [SPEAKER_04]: Cheers. 01:43:08.490 --> 01:43:09.091 [SPEAKER_04]: What do you think? 01:43:09.991 --> 01:43:10.512 [SPEAKER_04]: Pretty cool. 01:43:12.997 --> 01:43:15.318 [SPEAKER_04]: That's just an example of what you can do. 01:43:17.338 --> 01:43:20.199 [SPEAKER_04]: Get out there, I'd simply because Grandpa said, the food's better. 01:43:20.540 --> 01:43:22.760 [SPEAKER_04]: Join the air force. 01:43:22.800 --> 01:43:23.541 [SPEAKER_04]: Now you're in the air force. 01:43:23.561 --> 01:43:25.001 [SPEAKER_04]: You get that entire life that comes with it. 01:43:26.021 --> 01:43:34.244 [SPEAKER_04]: Marine buddy says, there's just no thing called black or do you find yourself in Baghdad, find yourself driving around right out, right Irish, and then getting like that. 01:43:34.284 --> 01:43:36.225 [SPEAKER_04]: That's it, man, just get out, leave the house. 01:43:36.285 --> 01:43:36.925 [SPEAKER_04]: Nothing wrong with that. 01:43:36.945 --> 01:43:37.805 [SPEAKER_04]: How old are you right now? 01:43:37.845 --> 01:43:38.185 [SPEAKER_04]: Get out. 01:43:38.986 --> 01:43:39.606 [SPEAKER_04]: It's summertime. 01:43:41.066 --> 01:43:42.107 [SPEAKER_04]: Join the Marine Corps. 01:43:42.997 --> 01:43:44.178 [SPEAKER_04]: You just graduated high school man. 01:43:44.198 --> 01:43:45.079 [SPEAKER_04]: You can do anything you want. 01:43:45.099 --> 01:43:51.704 [SPEAKER_04]: I was I did go go learn how to be a sailor go to hitchhike and go to St. Croix Be a bartender. 01:43:51.724 --> 01:43:54.886 [SPEAKER_04]: She liked that man go on adventure, but that's it's amazing when you go through it. 01:43:54.906 --> 01:43:57.408 [SPEAKER_04]: You can you can do whatever you want. 01:43:57.428 --> 01:43:59.510 [SPEAKER_04]: Now take take those restraints off yourself. 01:43:59.530 --> 01:44:00.711 [SPEAKER_04]: You're you're capable of anything. 01:44:03.638 --> 01:44:11.260 [SPEAKER_04]: You can you can if you can enjoy the military, then you can become a contract that you can go and vet you can there's so much after they can you can do and if you think about it. 01:44:11.940 --> 01:44:19.163 [SPEAKER_04]: The entire time you're out there doing stuff you're just building your resume it's all about how creative you can get like what's my job right now I know how to open doors for people and tell story. 01:44:19.763 --> 01:44:21.483 [SPEAKER_04]: And a cool man. 01:44:24.084 --> 01:44:24.824 [SPEAKER_04]: Leave the house. 01:44:26.005 --> 01:44:26.965 [SPEAKER_04]: And you're never out of the fight.