WEBVTT 00:00.091 --> 00:02.753 [SPEAKER_02]: Welcome to the Baseball Insiders, Happy Wednesday, I'm Adam Weiner. 00:02.773 --> 00:10.059 [SPEAKER_02]: I'm joined as always by fanside as MLB Insider Robert Murray, and joined today by very special guest Tom Verdeucci of Sports Illustrated to talk. 00:10.339 --> 00:20.787 [SPEAKER_02]: The Met's future, a couple of shuffles at the top of several teams, the angels come to mind, a couple of recent playoff, pushness, surprising buyers and sellers are best estimations of the trade deadline Tom. 00:21.068 --> 00:23.750 [SPEAKER_02]: Thank you so much for joining us again, and hope you're having a good one. 00:24.431 --> 00:26.454 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I mean, what an agenda. 00:26.474 --> 00:28.418 [SPEAKER_00]: There's a lot going on in the game right now, isn't there? 00:29.159 --> 00:30.821 [SPEAKER_02]: Well, we'll get through as much as we can. 00:30.862 --> 00:34.648 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, it's a bit of an intimidating laundry list that Robert, how are you doing? 00:34.688 --> 00:35.910 [SPEAKER_02]: You ready to break this down with us? 00:36.446 --> 00:39.607 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, I am beyond stoked, I always love having time on the show. 00:39.667 --> 00:41.667 [SPEAKER_01]: We got an absolute ton to talk about. 00:41.687 --> 00:43.127 [SPEAKER_01]: So I cannot wait to dive into that. 00:43.147 --> 00:44.608 [SPEAKER_01]: I cannot wait to hear Tom's thoughts. 00:44.628 --> 00:46.088 [SPEAKER_01]: I cannot wait to hear your thoughts out of him. 00:46.108 --> 00:47.708 [SPEAKER_01]: So let's just dive into this thing. 00:47.868 --> 00:49.109 [SPEAKER_02]: I don't even want to hear my thoughts. 00:49.129 --> 00:50.369 [SPEAKER_02]: I want to hear you guys' thoughts. 00:50.849 --> 00:52.209 [SPEAKER_02]: We'll get through as much as we can. 00:52.249 --> 00:53.890 [SPEAKER_02]: I'll ring the bell when we hit the limit. 00:54.110 --> 00:55.930 [SPEAKER_02]: But I think we've got plenty of ball to talk about. 00:55.970 --> 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dismissals I want to start here and they've they've gotten different directions that the fillings it pretty much had the dream response to managerial firing one of the best records in baseball ever since the red socks less than but they are now showing signs of rebounding we'll talk about them in a bit uh Carlos Mendoza dismissed 01:44.333 --> 01:53.059 [SPEAKER_02]: most recently and so the success of the other two teams have had Tom, are you surprised that it took this long for the match to dismiss Carlos Mendoza? 01:53.279 --> 01:55.581 [SPEAKER_02]: Do you think there may be regretting not making the move sooner? 01:56.928 --> 02:14.927 [SPEAKER_00]: uh... maybe there's some regrets yeah based on uh... as you said especially the way the affiliates have responded and remember they did that from uh... robbed Thompson back when he replaced uh... georgia rardies so in season managers can make a difference i i know we tend to poo poo those things but just have a new voice in there can make a difference but i think in this case with the meds 02:15.728 --> 02:19.469 [SPEAKER_00]: It took more than just 9 and 19 like Philadelphia Boston showed. 02:20.050 --> 02:22.570 [SPEAKER_00]: It took how bad they've looked at the last couple of weeks. 02:23.491 --> 02:27.112 [SPEAKER_00]: Even outside of the record, the 6th game losing streak was really bad. 02:27.132 --> 02:34.515 [SPEAKER_00]: It's the way the Metz looked on the field in the final days of Carlos Mendoza, just fundamentally poor situational hitting has been battle all year. 02:36.135 --> 02:43.520 [SPEAKER_00]: Look, this is interested in my saying that they were, but the vibes come off that team were really bad, and I think it was rock bottom, and that's one of the managers going to pay. 02:44.021 --> 02:47.403 [SPEAKER_00]: When it's not just the wins in the losses, it's how the team looks on the field. 02:50.701 --> 02:51.162 [SPEAKER_01]: for sure. 02:51.282 --> 03:00.456 [SPEAKER_01]: And also too, as far as the in your eyes here, are you like as far as the Metzko with David Sterns do you think he's safe? 03:00.576 --> 03:02.599 [SPEAKER_01]: Obviously Steve Cohen is defended him. 03:02.619 --> 03:03.841 [SPEAKER_01]: That was the guy that they wanted. 03:04.301 --> 03:06.665 [SPEAKER_01]: But do you think that Sterns is safe in Queens? 03:07.367 --> 03:08.607 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I do think he's safe. 03:08.667 --> 03:13.889 [SPEAKER_00]: Remember, Steve Cohen took about two years recruiting David Sterns to get him to come to the New York Mets. 03:14.029 --> 03:18.131 [SPEAKER_00]: It's a lot harder to change the president of baseball operations than it is a manager. 03:18.191 --> 03:21.092 [SPEAKER_00]: So, listen, last year they got rid of the coaching staff. 03:21.952 --> 03:23.192 [SPEAKER_00]: This year they got rid of the manager. 03:23.312 --> 03:27.854 [SPEAKER_00]: So you get closer to the point where the general manager or president of baseball ops has to pay the price. 03:28.694 --> 03:31.737 [SPEAKER_00]: Um, but it's rare to see a midseason change. 03:31.777 --> 03:32.958 [SPEAKER_00]: I know what the angels did that. 03:32.978 --> 03:33.859 [SPEAKER_00]: We'll talk about that. 03:33.919 --> 03:37.321 [SPEAKER_00]: But rare to see the point person change midstream like that. 03:37.442 --> 03:39.323 [SPEAKER_00]: So is he safe? 03:39.363 --> 03:40.484 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I think he's safe. 03:40.644 --> 03:45.949 [SPEAKER_00]: But I don't think he can afford to have another winter like he had last year because that was a bad winter as it turned out. 03:46.848 --> 03:49.749 [SPEAKER_02]: Luis Robert Jr. and Jorge Polanco is supposedly on the men. 03:49.809 --> 03:53.970 [SPEAKER_02]: I'm not sure if that helps or hurts his case to stick around for the full five years of the ten year. 03:54.791 --> 04:00.993 [SPEAKER_02]: In terms of the other, you know, early season dismissals, I think the red socks are interesting because they fall right in the middle there. 04:01.033 --> 04:03.873 [SPEAKER_02]: I'd love your thoughts on on whatever is going on with this team. 04:03.973 --> 04:05.434 [SPEAKER_02]: I think the year twenty twenty six. 04:05.854 --> 04:17.882 [SPEAKER_02]: in the American League, maybe the only time and baseball history where we could talk about a team that was 14 games under 500, making a mid-year playoff push or potentially a pivot dating back to the 1914 Boston Braiders, I think the last time that happened. 04:17.902 --> 04:21.405 [SPEAKER_02]: But we got to talk playoff odds, we have to talk their sleep at the Yankees. 04:21.705 --> 04:32.012 [SPEAKER_02]: How do you think they should approach the trade deadline after this recent stretch, which has still left them behind plenty of teams in the AL field, still leaves them well below 500, but we can't really be counted out with that rotation. 04:32.885 --> 04:33.485 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, that's right. 04:33.565 --> 04:37.326 [SPEAKER_00]: And especially the way they pitched in the last three or four weeks, it's been incredible. 04:37.346 --> 04:42.707 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm sure this is what they thought Craig Reslo did on paper when he looked at that rotation that they could pitch like this. 04:44.107 --> 04:45.707 [SPEAKER_00]: But I wouldn't kid myself. 04:46.007 --> 04:47.388 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, I don't think there are contender. 04:47.868 --> 04:50.608 [SPEAKER_00]: I still would trade a role this chat and then see what I could get for him. 04:50.668 --> 04:52.968 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm not saying you're going to back up the truck and move a lot of people. 04:53.849 --> 04:56.609 [SPEAKER_00]: But I wouldn't stay away from a deal thinking, you know, you're holding 05:01.850 --> 05:06.732 [SPEAKER_00]: Like any team you talk about, you have to talk about how bad the American League is. 05:06.752 --> 05:11.473 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, Terriq School would definitely be traded if not how bad the American League is. 05:11.934 --> 05:15.555 [SPEAKER_00]: The Yankees would be in trouble if not for how bad the American League is. 05:16.075 --> 05:20.857 [SPEAKER_00]: And if you're playing under 500 baseball, you are still very much in the mix here. 05:20.877 --> 05:20.937 [SPEAKER_00]: So, 05:22.157 --> 05:26.759 [SPEAKER_00]: The red socks, cosmetically, are in it because of how bad the league is. 05:27.699 --> 05:30.180 [SPEAKER_00]: I give Caleb Durbin a ton of credit, by the way. 05:30.220 --> 05:37.143 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, he went out to a private hitting coach in late May, early June, and he is really performed well. 05:37.203 --> 05:42.365 [SPEAKER_00]: And he's a guy now, red socks fans who were bullying earlier, love to watch play because he's a grinder and he's a good ball player. 05:43.586 --> 05:52.998 [SPEAKER_00]: But yeah, I think by the grace of the American League being down, they're still in it, but in my packing order, I don't have them among the top 16s. 05:53.739 --> 06:00.207 [SPEAKER_01]: No, and also as far as the American League goes, do you remember it ever being quite like this because you just look at the standing, it's crazy looking at it. 06:00.753 --> 06:02.214 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, no, it's crazy. 06:02.234 --> 06:04.296 [SPEAKER_00]: There was one day, it might be still true. 06:04.336 --> 06:06.958 [SPEAKER_00]: There's only like four teams that had a positive run differential. 06:08.419 --> 06:11.621 [SPEAKER_00]: The 84 Royals got in with 84 wins. 06:11.681 --> 06:15.564 [SPEAKER_00]: That's the low water mark for a playoff spot in the American League. 06:16.425 --> 06:19.707 [SPEAKER_00]: And I think we could get two teams under 84 wins this year. 06:19.767 --> 06:20.568 [SPEAKER_00]: I really believe that. 06:20.768 --> 06:24.431 [SPEAKER_00]: So when it comes to the deadline, it's going to be a really weird deadline because 06:25.151 --> 06:39.181 [SPEAKER_01]: there are times we think should be sellers and that close to tigers who might not be sellers which totally crazy and obviously like that and also all the dismissals here are playing a big part of the season and just the deadline as a whole. 06:39.501 --> 06:44.225 [SPEAKER_01]: But with the angels, you mentioned how they ended up firing Perry, moving on, bringing on Jamo's ale acted. 06:44.505 --> 06:48.848 [SPEAKER_01]: Did that surprise you and what are your thoughts overall on the direction of the angels? 06:49.928 --> 07:06.981 [SPEAKER_00]: It did surprise me a little bit just for the reason I said before it's tough to make a move President of baseball ops midseason, but this tells me they did not want Perry Minnesian behind the wheel for another trade deadline cycle and another draft to be honest with you So you bring Jamos A. Lekin who's a prose plot pro. 07:07.241 --> 07:16.568 [SPEAKER_00]: He did really good things in St. Louis But he's got to learn this organization and especially the draft on the fly here and make some really good decisions because we talk a lot about 07:17.008 --> 07:20.911 [SPEAKER_00]: the offseason for teams, but this is a critical time of year for teams that are out of it. 07:21.371 --> 07:26.334 [SPEAKER_00]: To try to make some moves to make themselves better, not just next year, but down the road in terms of the draft. 07:26.454 --> 07:30.977 [SPEAKER_00]: So I look at Perry's record and no, it's not surprising. 07:32.278 --> 07:33.219 [SPEAKER_00]: What's six years? 07:33.499 --> 07:35.060 [SPEAKER_00]: He's cycle through five managers. 07:35.100 --> 07:42.004 [SPEAKER_00]: He had five top 13 draft picks and really not much to show forward other than Zack Nitto that first draft where he took a 07:46.227 --> 07:49.249 [SPEAKER_00]: I watched the way the the angels are playing baseball this year. 07:49.649 --> 07:52.390 [SPEAKER_00]: And quite frankly, they're one of the worst teams in baseball. 07:52.430 --> 07:53.951 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, they have the highest strike-out rate. 07:54.091 --> 07:55.612 [SPEAKER_00]: Their pitchers walk the most batters. 07:55.972 --> 07:58.073 [SPEAKER_00]: They're one of the worst-based running teams in baseball. 07:58.093 --> 08:00.975 [SPEAKER_00]: They're one of the worst defensive teams in baseball. 08:01.055 --> 08:02.536 [SPEAKER_00]: So much swing and miss in that lineup. 08:03.276 --> 08:15.943 [SPEAKER_00]: You know, it's a hodgepodge roster of some decent young players starting with neto and like some of the strides that are dealt a Joe Dell is made, but you also have a lot of mid level freeage and veterans who have been easy and really just whiffed on. 08:15.963 --> 08:26.229 [SPEAKER_00]: And so where they go from here, I think depends on how quickly John can get up to speed because I do think they should be an aggressive seller at the deadline starting with read debt merge. 08:26.249 --> 08:29.071 [SPEAKER_00]: I think has a lot of value because he can start a playoff game for somebody. 08:30.236 --> 08:36.679 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, we have talked plenty on this show about redeners sort of being the canary in the coal mine, depending on you know, the determines what they might do. 08:37.059 --> 08:39.200 [SPEAKER_02]: I think the angels are in a major disadvantage in the A.L. 08:39.240 --> 08:42.901 [SPEAKER_02]: Playoff field here because unlike the Red Sox and Tigers, they even play the Yankees recently. 08:42.961 --> 08:47.063 [SPEAKER_02]: So I guess we have to figure out, you know, it's hard to get hot if you don't play the current Yankees. 08:47.123 --> 08:50.925 [SPEAKER_02]: But yeah, debters could immediately change this deadline. 08:51.065 --> 08:56.487 [SPEAKER_02]: We have had plenty of surprising surges all around in due not just confined to the American League. 08:56.827 --> 08:59.929 [SPEAKER_02]: that could potentially change the way and the direction that some teams go. 09:00.570 --> 09:04.393 [SPEAKER_02]: Who's playoff chances are you most bought in on among these three teams? 09:04.433 --> 09:10.677 [SPEAKER_02]: That Miami Marlins, the 20 and 6 in June, Miami Marlins, one of the biggest month-to-month turnaround this game has seen. 09:11.098 --> 09:18.063 [SPEAKER_02]: The White Talks, who are very much looking strong offensively at the top of the central and the Rangers, who've now snuck right in there in the AL West. 09:18.998 --> 09:20.981 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, the white socks still stand out for me. 09:21.021 --> 09:26.068 [SPEAKER_00]: The strides that they've made, especially offensively, I love the way they play too. 09:26.088 --> 09:28.332 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, and I put the marlins in the same category. 09:29.533 --> 09:32.578 [SPEAKER_00]: Youthfulness on their side, you could see just the energy they play with, 09:34.060 --> 09:41.781 [SPEAKER_00]: The white socks tend to more slug the ball where the marlins are just a great offensive team in terms of taking extra bases, putting the ball in play. 09:42.501 --> 09:44.162 [SPEAKER_00]: I just like the violin, both of those teams. 09:44.242 --> 09:46.142 [SPEAKER_00]: I think they're both legit as playoff teams. 09:46.202 --> 09:50.103 [SPEAKER_00]: Texas, especially watching the way DeGrom is throw to baseball right now. 09:50.703 --> 09:58.344 [SPEAKER_00]: They're a threat because, again, that division, I still think Seattle is the class of that division, but if Cal Rale is not going to hit, it's a different story. 09:58.464 --> 10:01.845 [SPEAKER_00]: So they're definitely catchable as far as winning that division. 10:02.625 --> 10:18.916 [SPEAKER_00]: So, but I would say with white socks, with so many strides that they've made, how far they've come from last year, a little short on pitching, I think, as far as being a playoff team, but maybe one or two deals with the deadline can kind of close that one loophole's there, because I think offensively this team is legit. 10:19.596 --> 10:31.043 [SPEAKER_02]: No, I want to, I want to, I want to, I want to throw a question to you here too, as, as well, just because of how much we've touched on the marlins, the lose Anthony Bender for a bit, that changes their bullpen picture and then the options they 10:32.442 --> 10:41.828 [SPEAKER_02]: That is such a, you know, bullpen trade picture where every team wants pen arms, nobody really has them and there are no, you know, A1 closer except for Chapman potentially available. 10:42.488 --> 10:44.349 [SPEAKER_02]: How do you think the marlins do handle that? 10:44.369 --> 10:51.534 [SPEAKER_02]: Do you think they get comfortable, you know, sell from the bullpen a little bit knowing that they do still have enough juice enough energy to maybe still make this interesting. 10:52.512 --> 10:58.039 [SPEAKER_01]: If I was a Marlins, I would only do something like that unless I was totally blown away with an offer. 10:58.439 --> 11:04.487 [SPEAKER_01]: They've sold so much in the past, and now they finally have a team that seems like it's ready to compete, or at least take the next step. 11:05.007 --> 11:06.309 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't want to continue to sell. 11:06.329 --> 11:07.510 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't want to be in the sell mode. 11:07.911 --> 11:11.836 [SPEAKER_01]: I would listen, see what you can get if you get blown away with an offer take it, but 11:12.276 --> 11:30.978 [SPEAKER_01]: Unless I would just try to either stamp at or I would try to buy if I was in Marla's and also to Tom before I forget there's a question I wanted to ask you it's kind of off script But it's combined a good couple of the things that we ended up talking about it was read debt mrs And how the Chicago white socks need pitching do you think that could end up being a potential fit I'm curious for your thoughts there 11:31.490 --> 11:33.091 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, that's a really good fit. 11:33.191 --> 11:42.078 [SPEAKER_00]: No question about it, you know, some of the staff, the younger guys who pitch well, but I always like adding a proven veteran guy who you don't have to worry about is innings limit. 11:43.459 --> 11:45.441 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I think that would be a terrific fit. 11:45.461 --> 11:46.522 [SPEAKER_00]: There's no question about it. 11:46.622 --> 11:48.543 [SPEAKER_00]: By the way, I like your point on the marlins because. 11:49.404 --> 11:58.246 [SPEAKER_00]: We talked so much about where teams are, the winning curve, and sometimes to get there a little bit early, or sometimes you're building for a certain year, these windows come and go quickly, man. 11:58.266 --> 12:00.846 [SPEAKER_00]: And I think the marlins have this window in front of them. 12:00.986 --> 12:09.748 [SPEAKER_00]: A little bit concerned, as you mentioned about Bender, because that was the injury that shut them down last year, but assuming he comes back, it's a really good ball fan. 12:09.808 --> 12:12.268 [SPEAKER_00]: I think it's underrated, and that's a strength of this team. 12:12.308 --> 12:13.569 [SPEAKER_00]: So I wouldn't mess too much. 12:13.589 --> 12:15.969 [SPEAKER_00]: I would look to add definitely if I were Miami. 12:17.065 --> 12:27.233 [SPEAKER_01]: No, and also too, it seems like every show or every time I get a question, people are asking me, like obviously there's a bunch of teams that can tension, but could there be a team that tries to take advantage of a seller's market? 12:27.614 --> 12:34.259 [SPEAKER_01]: Is there any team or teams out there who you think could be in a position where they're on the fringe and end up deciding to sell? 12:34.279 --> 12:36.961 [SPEAKER_01]: I know we're talking about Boston before, but are there any others in your eyes? 12:37.802 --> 12:44.044 [SPEAKER_00]: Well, I'll certainly put the angels in that category because in the last couple of years they have not been aggressive at all, but deadline and I think they should have been. 12:45.684 --> 12:47.225 [SPEAKER_00]: And again, it depends on Mosaic Lack. 12:47.325 --> 12:50.906 [SPEAKER_00]: I think his nature is to be a little bit more aggressive than Perry Medesian. 12:50.966 --> 12:57.988 [SPEAKER_00]: So they're holding some cards there and I think listen to me, they need a total rebuild on that team. 12:58.708 --> 13:00.750 [SPEAKER_00]: and can he do it in one trade deadline? 13:00.890 --> 13:04.774 [SPEAKER_00]: No, but I think it can make some strides to make this team better down the road. 13:04.854 --> 13:07.036 [SPEAKER_00]: So I'm looking at that team, and of course, Detroit. 13:07.096 --> 13:10.198 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, everything seems to come back to Detroit and what they want to do at school. 13:10.779 --> 13:14.622 [SPEAKER_00]: Now, I think even if they're like, where they are right now, they're not out of it. 13:14.642 --> 13:17.305 [SPEAKER_00]: They're just kind of hanging around the edges of the race. 13:17.885 --> 13:22.509 [SPEAKER_00]: So if it's sort of like a gray area there, I could still see them moving school. 13:23.450 --> 13:29.675 [SPEAKER_00]: uh, in a deal where they definitely get a major league starting pitcher back besides prospects. 13:30.295 --> 13:32.517 [SPEAKER_00]: So you're kind of, it's a hybrid type of deal. 13:32.897 --> 13:37.841 [SPEAKER_00]: You want to throw the Dodgers as an example because I'd love to get my hands on some of their young outfielders that they have there. 13:38.481 --> 13:44.404 [SPEAKER_00]: But also, if you could get an image she and her Roblesky or somebody out of their staff, we could just plug in. 13:44.544 --> 13:52.187 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm not saying they're going to replace the Terriq school, but it's a major league starter and name at least to just drop into their rotation. 13:52.227 --> 13:55.849 [SPEAKER_00]: And that could just all young five-position, five prospects. 13:56.769 --> 13:59.651 [SPEAKER_00]: I think that's doable for the Tigers, we'll see. 14:00.151 --> 14:04.773 [SPEAKER_00]: But those two teams stand out to me at the Angels and the Tigers about who can take advantage of this market. 14:05.349 --> 14:19.599 [SPEAKER_01]: No, and also too, sorry, sorry, Adam, but with with the angels going back to going back to them, Ken Rosenthal ended up talking to John Mozelek and he he mentioned how Mozelek did not have any conversations with Arty Marino before end up joining the angels. 14:19.979 --> 14:22.961 [SPEAKER_01]: And usually we hear about Arty meddling and doing his thing. 14:22.981 --> 14:32.247 [SPEAKER_01]: Do you think he's going to have some freedom to actually pull a trigger on some of these moves like a diverse trade, maybe even a joe of dollars, or do you think Arty can end up getting his way in the end and try to compete? 14:32.792 --> 14:34.612 [SPEAKER_00]: Well, he's not going to have 100% freedom. 14:34.732 --> 14:43.294 [SPEAKER_00]: At first of all, it was kind of weird to hear that, he didn't actually sit down and discuss things with Arty Maraine on before taking the job. 14:43.314 --> 14:45.275 [SPEAKER_00]: He has since done that since they added him. 14:45.315 --> 14:51.336 [SPEAKER_00]: But yeah, I think if it's any deal of significance, Arty Maraine is going to have a say. 14:51.356 --> 14:53.596 [SPEAKER_00]: There's no carte blanche here for John Mozae-Lack. 14:53.876 --> 14:57.257 [SPEAKER_00]: And it's the way it works for most scenes, but I think especially with the angels. 14:58.428 --> 15:01.349 [SPEAKER_02]: I have a little Dodger follow up there too, because you peaked my interest. 15:01.910 --> 15:07.872 [SPEAKER_02]: Obviously, if schoolables on the table, they'll think about trading someone from their major legal rotation or someone with major legal experience. 15:08.073 --> 15:12.995 [SPEAKER_02]: Do you think there's another target out there that would course them to trade a robust gear is that just for school? 15:14.848 --> 15:16.428 [SPEAKER_00]: probably just scooble. 15:16.469 --> 15:22.310 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, if no one's coming to mind right away and listen, we know how good that rotation is when it's fully healthy. 15:22.830 --> 15:24.731 [SPEAKER_00]: But we also know it's the Dodgers, right? 15:25.231 --> 15:30.073 [SPEAKER_00]: If a great player is in play, the Dodgers are going to be in it. 15:30.293 --> 15:40.036 [SPEAKER_00]: It doesn't mean they're gonna get that player, but they have the resources to get just about anybody that they want and they do more than they do diligence. 15:40.116 --> 15:44.357 [SPEAKER_00]: So I'm not predicting he's gonna be a Dodger, but I never rule them out as a possibility. 15:45.175 --> 15:45.615 [SPEAKER_01]: Not sure. 15:45.635 --> 15:56.364 [SPEAKER_01]: I remember in the off season, everyone seemed like they were discounting them when the Tucker sweepstakes and then next thing you know, it's like you hear the jazer on likely then the mets are unlikely and it's like son of a gun that the Dodgers have done it again. 15:56.784 --> 16:00.707 [SPEAKER_01]: But in speaking of those jazes, they're always trying to make these big moves. 16:01.228 --> 16:06.852 [SPEAKER_01]: This season's been kind of interesting after coming off that world series appearance almost winning it really been in a slump. 16:06.872 --> 16:08.954 [SPEAKER_01]: Do you think that's a team that could be aggressive? 16:08.994 --> 16:12.477 [SPEAKER_01]: It seems like at least from from our end year looks like pitching is going to be the priority there. 16:13.047 --> 16:13.807 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I'm with you. 16:14.087 --> 16:17.668 [SPEAKER_00]: I think definitely pitching is a priority both in the rotation and the bullpen. 16:18.328 --> 16:20.289 [SPEAKER_00]: The barger injury sounds a little bit scary. 16:20.309 --> 16:24.130 [SPEAKER_00]: I think he's so important to their offense and I don't know when he's coming back at this point. 16:24.910 --> 16:26.931 [SPEAKER_00]: And then what to do about live Guerrero Jr. 16:26.951 --> 16:35.613 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, if you're a guy like that, you don't worry about him, but it's been half of season now with four home runs that have slug under 400. 16:35.893 --> 16:37.814 [SPEAKER_00]: It just does not the same kind of player. 16:38.054 --> 16:38.154 [SPEAKER_00]: And 16:39.134 --> 16:47.876 [SPEAKER_00]: you know, it means so much of that franchise, they need him to slow, not just, you know, spray hits here and there, but to slow. 16:48.836 --> 16:53.597 [SPEAKER_00]: That being said, I think the priorities, like you said, have to be on the pitching side, but they're all in. 16:53.897 --> 16:57.938 [SPEAKER_00]: I think the what they've built there at Toronto was really impressive. 16:58.599 --> 17:02.960 [SPEAKER_00]: I don't think they look at things like, well, it's not our year, we're not just going to go for it this year. 17:03.100 --> 17:05.340 [SPEAKER_00]: I think they want to truly try to consolidate 17:09.241 --> 17:11.242 [SPEAKER_00]: And it's like, just get it. 17:11.563 --> 17:13.884 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, there are no Dodgers in the American League. 17:14.024 --> 17:18.607 [SPEAKER_00]: It's like, if you're the last while a car to the American League, you can go to the World Series. 17:18.867 --> 17:23.009 [SPEAKER_00]: So that's an incentive for the Deadline for just about every team except the Royals of the Angels. 17:23.029 --> 17:32.255 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, 17:33.189 --> 17:44.174 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I think so, um, you know, I think if it's someone I always say this for teams that are in content should you better get somebody for your rotation that can start one of the first three games will play off series. 17:45.014 --> 17:49.076 [SPEAKER_00]: Otherwise, you're just trying to get into the postseason if you're talking about rotation depth. 17:50.056 --> 17:53.878 [SPEAKER_00]: Um, so, and it also depends and I'm really check this out enough. 17:54.478 --> 18:20.197 [SPEAKER_00]: This is the time of your year where you start seeing teams bring up young arms to the minor leagues to fortify bullpens like converting that the Yankees are doing the Mariners are going to do this some of the best arms now teams are not reluctant at all to push young arms to fortify a pitching staff in a forest stretch run you may have to change somebody's role in having pitch out of the pen what's saying he's going to start game one of a playoff series. 18:20.997 --> 18:22.800 [SPEAKER_00]: Um, but there's probably some arms out there. 18:22.820 --> 18:32.793 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, you savage did it as a starter last year, but there's probably arms out there that are not even in the major leagues yet, who could influence not just the deadline or the stretch run, but the postseason. 18:34.226 --> 18:36.369 [SPEAKER_02]: You've got Carlos LaGroné and the Bronx. 18:36.509 --> 18:38.091 [SPEAKER_02]: I know you sort of hinted at there a little bit. 18:38.191 --> 18:39.752 [SPEAKER_02]: Is it too late to get him up last week? 18:39.792 --> 18:40.473 [SPEAKER_02]: That might have been nice. 18:40.934 --> 18:46.460 [SPEAKER_02]: But yeah, they're going to be they're going to be plenty of means that change the conversation. 18:46.480 --> 18:51.226 [SPEAKER_02]: And the blue jays it does sound like, hey, if you're going to swing you better swing big top of the rotation. 18:51.606 --> 19:10.430 [SPEAKER_02]: a colorary intrigue, it we've got the all-star game in Philly on the horizon, that is just about a week and a half from now, we are, we're going to be boots on the ground, we're excited, and obviously people who use media day at the all-star game to really talk trade deadline, talk to some of the players who are going to be heavily involved, kind of gauge some of the storylines there. 19:10.610 --> 19:20.892 [SPEAKER_02]: What do you expect to be the dominant storylines at media day, and with Terri Scooble, probably not in attendance, given the injury absence, who do you think is going to have to answer the most questions about where they're going to play next? 19:21.372 --> 19:23.393 [SPEAKER_00]: Oh boy, that's a great question. 19:23.413 --> 19:28.335 [SPEAKER_00]: I think going in the story might be who's going to start on the mound for the National League. 19:28.415 --> 19:31.216 [SPEAKER_00]: Christopher Sanchez is home part or Jacob Miserowski. 19:31.256 --> 19:37.339 [SPEAKER_00]: I think it's kind of the fan favorite nationally because nobody else throws 105 miles an hour. 19:38.719 --> 19:40.200 [SPEAKER_00]: So we'll see where they go. 19:40.220 --> 19:44.322 [SPEAKER_00]: And obviously a lot depends on where the game falls in terms of their throw schedules. 19:45.142 --> 19:49.806 [SPEAKER_00]: Um, but yeah, I think going in, it's, you know, Schwarber is going to be a story. 19:49.886 --> 19:57.312 [SPEAKER_00]: You know, he's got a chance this year to hit 60 home runs, which is incredible for guys now playing in his early 30s. 19:57.392 --> 20:03.357 [SPEAKER_00]: The best, I think that he's, he's the best center he's ever bit, which is counter to how the game has been going. 20:04.197 --> 20:13.623 [SPEAKER_00]: Um, so Philadelphia obviously get a dominate the conversation here, whether they can cut down the the Atlanta Braves and chase them down with the, with the all start game in Philadelphia. 20:14.063 --> 20:16.505 [SPEAKER_00]: Um, I think it's get the fillings will be a big topic there. 20:17.585 --> 20:19.727 [SPEAKER_02]: Robert, you've been on Missouri asking forever too. 20:19.767 --> 20:22.889 [SPEAKER_02]: Do you think your moment of vindication is coming? 20:22.929 --> 20:25.390 [SPEAKER_02]: Do you think he's going to get that start over Christopher Sanchez? 20:25.510 --> 20:32.915 [SPEAKER_02]: Obviously, depending on schedule, we don't know if someone's going to be eliminated from the conversation, but do you think they'll lean home time hero or electricity? 20:33.702 --> 20:35.444 [SPEAKER_01]: My guess is they're going to lean the hometown here. 20:35.504 --> 20:37.366 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, just because they got to do it and fell it off. 20:37.386 --> 20:44.093 [SPEAKER_01]: But how crazy is it that last year, Philly's players are the ones we were given as our Oscar shit for starting or even or for being in that. 20:44.493 --> 20:48.558 [SPEAKER_01]: And then now you're later we're talking about and be one of the best pictures just in baseball. 20:48.578 --> 20:52.381 [SPEAKER_01]: It's holy crazy, but it's a cool little comeback story, even at comeback start. 20:52.422 --> 20:53.623 [SPEAKER_01]: We guys don't know what I'm trying to say there. 20:53.923 --> 20:57.447 [SPEAKER_01]: But it's just really cool for all, but my guess is it's going to be Christopher Sanchez. 20:57.667 --> 20:59.128 [SPEAKER_01]: And I'm glad you said that about Schworberg. 20:59.188 --> 21:01.871 [SPEAKER_01]: He has been one of my favorite players in ball. 21:01.891 --> 21:03.913 [SPEAKER_01]: He just, the Schworbama is freaking awesome. 21:03.953 --> 21:05.315 [SPEAKER_01]: So I cannot wait to hear that. 21:05.635 --> 21:07.257 [SPEAKER_01]: And I'm also going to leave you guys with this. 21:07.877 --> 21:11.941 [SPEAKER_01]: I do not, I would not be surprised if we hear about the Phillies taking them takes wing of the deadline. 21:12.101 --> 21:14.144 [SPEAKER_01]: I think that's something we're going to be talking about plenty of year. 21:14.544 --> 21:17.587 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know what it's going to be, but I can see David and Browsky doing something. 21:18.616 --> 21:21.019 [SPEAKER_00]: Well, don't you think it would be a right hit at bad if they do anything? 21:21.039 --> 21:27.986 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, I don't know if you think Taylor Award is big enough, but that's the kind of stick that this team needs, I think, to make a deep run the way they expect to. 21:28.607 --> 21:29.488 [SPEAKER_01]: No, I think so too. 21:29.568 --> 21:30.489 [SPEAKER_01]: I think that'd be great. 21:30.789 --> 21:40.220 [SPEAKER_01]: I wonder if they could get another picture or something like that, but Taylor Award was the guy I was thinking of there for sure, but I think either way to Nebraska, I could see him trying to, I could see him trying to swing back here for sure. 21:40.793 --> 21:59.560 [SPEAKER_02]: And the stats are fairly damning where the top three in the rotation basically wins three quarters of every game they play and then you go to our Nolan Andrew painter and it becomes questionable, but, you know, with so few assets, can you afford to use them on a four star to when you need that right hand or bat when you need that bullpen, I would not really have to ask you from doing anything. 21:59.820 --> 22:06.103 [SPEAKER_02]: Tom, is there are there any first year all stars or likely first year all stars that you're particularly excited to see on this stage. 22:07.557 --> 22:21.867 [SPEAKER_00]: Well, I'll be interesting to see what are the first year players who actually get there, you know, JJ weatherhole, Kevin McGongel, definitely have cases to get there, even though they didn't start really as household names, but I think deserving of all starting odds. 22:22.488 --> 22:29.573 [SPEAKER_00]: And then I always look at guys who've been around for a long time and are apparently getting some attention to me, Brian Baker of the Tampa Bay Race. 22:29.813 --> 22:30.914 [SPEAKER_00]: It's an amazing story. 22:31.534 --> 22:34.437 [SPEAKER_00]: Early 30s, he's been traded twice, waved once, 22:35.197 --> 22:37.779 [SPEAKER_00]: And he gets the Tampa, and Tampa does what Tampa does. 22:37.819 --> 22:39.900 [SPEAKER_00]: And Kyle Snyder's one of the best in the business. 22:39.940 --> 22:42.142 [SPEAKER_00]: It's like, you know what, you've got a great change up. 22:42.582 --> 22:44.404 [SPEAKER_00]: Just lean into that pitch more. 22:45.184 --> 22:51.669 [SPEAKER_00]: He's also had it basically a half a tick to a tick on his fastball, but the change up is a separator. 22:51.829 --> 22:56.973 [SPEAKER_00]: It's guys now a 20 plus save guy with a sub 2 ERA. 22:57.033 --> 23:03.177 [SPEAKER_00]: And I'd love to see guys like that go to the All-Star game and get rewarded, get in first one at age 31. 23:05.417 --> 23:07.678 [SPEAKER_02]: Robert, I'm gonna lean into one of your brewers here too. 23:07.698 --> 23:16.502 [SPEAKER_02]: I don't know if it's particularly likely, but I wanna make the air and ash peak case here on the baseball insiders when you've got a, it's so rare to get a middle relief all star season. 23:16.522 --> 23:33.570 [SPEAKER_02]: When you've got a dude with 11 wins and numbers that are that strong, I mean, we've seen some regressions, some native trends past couple weeks, but for my money, given how many replacements there are and these all star festivities, can we just give the reliever having an insane outlier, traditional wins campaign a little bit of love? 23:34.239 --> 23:38.220 [SPEAKER_01]: No, that would be totally crazy and the watching him get 11 wins right out of the shoot there. 23:38.260 --> 23:40.761 [SPEAKER_01]: I thought he can end up even getting to 20 wins at some. 23:40.781 --> 23:42.481 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know if that's realistic anymore. 23:43.022 --> 23:50.064 [SPEAKER_01]: But his story where the brewer's signed him to that big early extension and then he's been battling injuries and now he's coming back and doing this coming out of the bullpen. 23:50.444 --> 23:51.224 [SPEAKER_01]: It's a great story. 23:51.264 --> 23:52.424 [SPEAKER_01]: So he definitely deserves it. 23:52.644 --> 23:54.445 [SPEAKER_01]: Could absolutely see him being a replacement. 23:54.465 --> 23:54.625 [SPEAKER_01]: But. 23:54.945 --> 23:58.266 [SPEAKER_01]: him, and it's just seems like the brewers in that pitching development. 23:58.286 --> 24:01.327 [SPEAKER_01]: It's not just Chris Hook there, but it's everybody in that organization. 24:01.347 --> 24:07.468 [SPEAKER_01]: Their ability to maximize those talents is really just separated them and allowed them to continue to be ahead of the cobs in that division. 24:07.488 --> 24:13.150 [SPEAKER_01]: So I think he's deserving, Mr. Oscar's deserving, a lot of other brewers are deserving, but that'd be really cool for Ashby. 24:13.791 --> 24:18.534 [SPEAKER_02]: If Aaron Ashby wins 20 games out of the bullpen, will he book traditional metrics and win the Siang? 24:18.614 --> 24:19.294 [SPEAKER_02]: My column. 24:19.654 --> 24:21.455 [SPEAKER_02]: I'm probably not going to publish that. 24:21.595 --> 24:23.777 [SPEAKER_02]: Tom Renucci, thank you so much for joining us. 24:23.977 --> 24:29.280 [SPEAKER_02]: Anything upcoming, any work that you're getting ready that we can read the next couple of weeks before they all serve festivities begin. 24:30.100 --> 24:34.563 [SPEAKER_00]: I don't know about before the All-Star game because they're nothing that the magazine is publishing schedule. 24:34.583 --> 24:38.366 [SPEAKER_00]: What you mentioned, Mizorowski, it have a feature of the magazine on Jacob. 24:38.446 --> 24:49.434 [SPEAKER_00]: Spill a lot of time with them and pretty cool dude, a very impressed by how not just how he throws, but his whole mindset, I mean, the guy is super chill and, um, 24:50.555 --> 24:51.816 [SPEAKER_00]: I love to watch the guy pitch. 24:51.856 --> 24:56.859 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, I know he wouldn't make Philly's fans happy giving him the ball, but it grew up to me. 24:57.339 --> 25:02.942 [SPEAKER_00]: I would give it to Miss Roskeb, just because we literally have never seen a pitcher like this before, a starting pitcher thrown 105. 25:02.962 --> 25:05.384 [SPEAKER_01]: Unbelievable. 25:05.444 --> 25:14.349 [SPEAKER_01]: Also, the fact that Pat Murphy calls Miss Roskeb for his gump, I think that's just one of the coolest comparisons ever, but I cannot wait to read that Tom like seriously, thank you so much. 25:14.369 --> 25:14.889 [SPEAKER_01]: You're the best. 25:15.289 --> 25:16.030 [SPEAKER_01]: We appreciate you. 25:16.050 --> 25:18.191 [SPEAKER_01]: We can't wait to, we cannot wait to see you 25:20.302 --> 25:21.463 [SPEAKER_00]: awesome can't wait for guys. 25:21.483 --> 25:22.184 [SPEAKER_00]: Thanks for having me. 25:22.604 --> 25:24.206 [SPEAKER_02]: Thank you so much for joining us. 25:24.506 --> 25:26.808 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, Robert and I will be boots on the ground in Philly again. 25:26.868 --> 25:31.433 [SPEAKER_02]: Baseball Insiders Monday, Wednesday, and Friday, we will be there at the All-Star Game. 25:31.453 --> 25:37.338 [SPEAKER_02]: Maybe trying this war bomb that Robert mentioned, the big deep fried ice cream sandwich or whatever that is even heard about that. 25:37.439 --> 25:38.680 [SPEAKER_02]: I see the looks of confusion. 25:39.333 --> 25:41.393 [SPEAKER_01]: I know, I don't think, well, maybe I've heard about it. 25:41.413 --> 25:42.414 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know, but that's like it. 25:42.434 --> 25:43.634 [SPEAKER_01]: That's how we're getting coverage. 25:43.754 --> 25:44.834 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't need before a flight. 25:45.154 --> 25:45.874 [SPEAKER_02]: You don't need it. 25:46.174 --> 25:46.735 [SPEAKER_02]: I'll have yours. 25:46.775 --> 25:47.215 [SPEAKER_02]: I'll have to. 25:47.615 --> 25:48.655 [SPEAKER_02]: But we'll get that on camera. 25:48.675 --> 25:49.475 [SPEAKER_02]: We'll see you on that goes. 25:50.175 --> 25:52.376 [SPEAKER_02]: But we will see everybody at the All-Star Vistivities. 25:52.476 --> 25:57.697 [SPEAKER_02]: We will be back live next week on Monday, enjoy the holiday weekend for our very, for Tom Reduigi. 25:57.957 --> 26:01.418 [SPEAKER_02]: Thank you much for joining us and take care here on the baseball. 26:02.058 --> 26:02.558 [SPEAKER_01]: Thank you everybody.