[UNKNOWN]: Welcome to the horror hounds, a lorehounds podcast.
[UNKNOWN]: I'm John serving Red Meat for Red Eat.
[UNKNOWN]: And I'm Alicia, and after enduring intense conversation with myself, I'm ready to start my vampire apology tour.
[UNKNOWN]: So take a walk with us today down the Devil's Road, season one episode four of the vampire listot on amc plus or season three episode four of interview with the vampire.
[UNKNOWN]: If you want to get into contact with us and ask us about that crazy naming, send an email to ask Dan at theloorhounds.com or head to our Discord server from the link tree in the show notes.
[UNKNOWN]: And if you like what you've heard and want to support us a good ad free and bonus content, check the same link tree for our Patreon and supercast subscription options.
[UNKNOWN]: Big spoiler warning, we're going to be talking about everything that's happened in the
[UNKNOWN]: what we were at in the vampire listot and the telomaska and maybe slightly made for which is probably not and Alicia we've got a dedicated feed right we've got the harhouse feed for the vampire listot
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, absolutely.
[UNKNOWN]: And if you're wondering about book spoilers, I will bring up anything that's not a future spoiler, but is referenced in this.
[UNKNOWN]: Like there's a few major and rice quotes from the vampireless.book referenced in this will bring stuff like that up.
[UNKNOWN]: But for anything that might future, that might spoil future events in this show, we're saving that for our post-credit section called Inside the Coffee.
[UNKNOWN]: which full book spoilers there, and that is where we keep our devil's minion corner, although I guess we shouldn't say what it is yet, but we will be talking about it in the main part of the podcast too for sure today.
[UNKNOWN]: Yep, and yeah, I'm I was a Leo pointing at the screen for one of the steps.
[UNKNOWN]: So we've got some left of our feedback from episode three before that.
[UNKNOWN]: I think you had a correction.
[UNKNOWN]: Yes, so I said in we were talking about this beheading thing that Dr. Farid brought up and basically he was saying that they did the experiments where in I think it was Budapest for something where they beheaded some class B vampires whatever that means and they lasted almost two hours before dying to detach from their heads.
[UNKNOWN]: And then I said that it was four to five hours, like he said for someone of Lestat's Statue or I rewatch the video, rewatch the episode after also hearing somewhere else someone was saying four to five days and it's like, wait, what is it?
[UNKNOWN]: No, it's actually four to five times the two hours.
[UNKNOWN]: So just saying if someone's of Lestat's Statue gets beheaded apparently, according to Dr. Furried, they would last eight to ten-ish hours.
[UNKNOWN]: hold on.
[UNKNOWN]: I got to chase down the garbage truck.
[UNKNOWN]: I'd prematurely throw out a vampire head.
[UNKNOWN]: That might still be good, you know.
[UNKNOWN]: Might still be good.
[UNKNOWN]: It's still fresh.
[UNKNOWN]: The cell-by-date is not the expiration date.
[UNKNOWN]: So we've got a bunch of feedback from episode 3 again.
[UNKNOWN]: We're recording these with screeners or a little bit ahead.
[UNKNOWN]: On curing mental illness, we had a bunch of stuff.
[UNKNOWN]: Do you want to read that?
[UNKNOWN]: Sure, so basically what we had was especially a conversation between I.S.
[UNKNOWN]: ADI and Dobomini, and they bring up some good points, so I thought that we should address them here, where I.S.
[UNKNOWN]: ADI first asked, is the implication here that only that Nikki didn't have the ER Constitution to be a vampire?
[UNKNOWN]: and or that mental diagnoses such as bipolar syndrome don't get fixed via vampirism unlike physical e.g.
[UNKNOWN]: Daniel's illness, the latter is a bit of a bold statement slash position from the showrunners.
[UNKNOWN]: And dopamining responded to that, was literally scanning to see anyone else already got this conversation started.
[UNKNOWN]: I think this matters a lot to unpack here.
[UNKNOWN]: Every show has blind spots and I think the parity between mental and physical health may be one here.
[UNKNOWN]: Sure, we can blame the source material or wonder at the rules of the vampiric magic system, but it does feel like a statement to say that Parkinson's a degenerative physical disease that eventually causes dementia and is horrifying as I've seen firsthand is not a kind disease.
[UNKNOWN]: is no barrier to vampirism, success, but quote unquote bipolar.
[UNKNOWN]: This language wouldn't have been around at this time, so so that's armchair diagnosis who knows if it was actually bipolar or schizophrenia or psychosis or personality disorder.
[UNKNOWN]: But
[UNKNOWN]: This is only going to worsen one time to the point of which Nikki must be mercy killed.
[UNKNOWN]: I agree that yes, the show is making a bold statement here and if I had to find a gripe, this would be it.
[UNKNOWN]: The beautiful broken mine trope.
[UNKNOWN]: The stigma that a person, vampire, is shamefully unhealthy if their illness can't be seen or is in the mind, especially when contrasted against the statement that they made about Parkinson's with Daniel.
[UNKNOWN]: It is a bit of a let down to see mental illness equals week slash two broken choices made in this episode, and I acidize concludes.
[UNKNOWN]: Maybe there's more to it.
[UNKNOWN]: Maybe it's people like Gabriella who think that way versus others.
[UNKNOWN]: But in the end, what they showed is what we're taking away from it.
[UNKNOWN]: Nikki was too broken to live, but I just wish they'd shown more of that first.
[UNKNOWN]: So thoughts.
[UNKNOWN]: Okay, I actually did not read it.
[UNKNOWN]: as anything about healing.
[UNKNOWN]: Anything about the vampirism healing, anything.
[UNKNOWN]: For me, actually, I read Nicky as somebody who felt gasslet and was, you know, just feeling insane, even if he had no mental illness, right?
[UNKNOWN]: He was just feeling like everybody in his life was lying to him.
[UNKNOWN]: There were these mysteries around him.
[UNKNOWN]: He was getting with bite marks.
[UNKNOWN]: I think anyone would feel like they were losing control of their life in that situation.
[UNKNOWN]: And then he becomes a vampire.
[UNKNOWN]: And I think something that we've learned from, it definitely in the books, but in the show too, is that vampirism isn't for everybody.
[UNKNOWN]: Like, you have to kill people.
[UNKNOWN]: You have to, you know, never see the light again.
[UNKNOWN]: There's all these things that come with it that aren't really pleasant, right?
[UNKNOWN]: Like, look at Louie for like 30 years in a depression.
[UNKNOWN]: You have to watch your family and friends die.
[UNKNOWN]: Now, I know Nicky wasn't a vampire for that long to deal with that part of it,
[UNKNOWN]: Seems very innocent and seems like he doesn't is not the kind of person who would want to hurt somebody who now has to be a predator.
[UNKNOWN]: Well, they also talked about this, this wood, what is it they're calling it in the show, transitional trauma?
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, yeah, yeah, transformational trauma.
[UNKNOWN]: Transformational trauma.
[UNKNOWN]: So they're saying that, you know, looking at Daniel about that.
[UNKNOWN]: And I do actually wonder, they haven't, is his Parkinson's completely cured or was it halted?
[UNKNOWN]: That's part of my question about that.
[UNKNOWN]: Because sometimes I think I see his hand shaking, but that can also just be like, I can't hold out something without my hand wiggling a little bit.
[UNKNOWN]: That's probably my ADHD.
[UNKNOWN]: But, you know, it could just be like a normal thing,
[UNKNOWN]: about the Nikki thing in general, though, he is a, he's considered a regular this season, I believe, in terms of crediting.
[UNKNOWN]: So obviously we saw some more of him like Ghost and Nikki, basically, in this episode, I don't know if we should literally take it as a ghost or just probably a projection of list on the slide.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, I think that's a hallucination for sure.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, but I think we're not done with his story for this season, basically.
[UNKNOWN]: I think we'll we'll go back like we see within this episode with the Gabriella story kept going back and filling in more context and details.
[UNKNOWN]: And I think we might get that with Nicky as well, especially for a reason that we'll talk about later where what let's not said in this show and I'll I have the receipts and the notes will go through it.
[UNKNOWN]: Just not coincide with things that have been said about Nicky's death in prior seasons.
[UNKNOWN]: Hmm, I'm very intrigued by this.
[UNKNOWN]: Um, anyway, not to like.
[UNKNOWN]: No, but I do, I really, I think that this was a really important issue to raise.
[UNKNOWN]: Yes, that's what I was trying to say is I, I don't want to discount this fee, but I think that's right.
[UNKNOWN]: I do think that it is a problematic trope in general.
[UNKNOWN]: This like idea of what was how to do it.
[UNKNOWN]: It broke in mind or yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: The beautiful broken mind.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, absolutely agreed.
[UNKNOWN]: It's a problematic thing and it seems to be present in the show.
[UNKNOWN]: I just happen to not really
[UNKNOWN]: I mean, but I think it is, we should pay attention to, are they treating, because these things that are considered mental illness are caused to have chemical causes.
[UNKNOWN]: or you know.
[UNKNOWN]: So it's there are physical causes basically I'm saying to these things in the same way there are physical causes to Parkinson's.
[UNKNOWN]: So it is definitely worth paying attention to how that's handled or how they might be handled differently at the same, etc.
[UNKNOWN]: Isn't there a distinction there somewhere like you know obviously there's chemical reactions
[UNKNOWN]: But there's also, I mean, there's something genetic too, you know, with your body processes, serotonin, for example.
[UNKNOWN]: Right.
[UNKNOWN]: I'm just saying, like, I, yes, there are chemical reactions, but Parkinson's is more of a physiological reaction.
[UNKNOWN]: Right.
[UNKNOWN]: But it does also lead to dementia because it is part of, because these things are linked, the physical and the brain.
[UNKNOWN]: Right.
[UNKNOWN]: It does seem like an arbitrary line to draw of, you know,
[UNKNOWN]: it's a chemical, so it's not part of the body, but in the morning, all chemical.
[UNKNOWN]: Anyway, all right, I think we've milked this dry.
[UNKNOWN]: This is okay.
[UNKNOWN]: We figured it out.
[UNKNOWN]: Well, it's, I bet.
[UNKNOWN]: I think it was not for, you know, chiming and reaffirming me.
[UNKNOWN]: Do you want, we got a piece of feedback from Lerox?
[UNKNOWN]: Do you want to read that one?
[UNKNOWN]: Yes, Lerox says.
[UNKNOWN]: Did you guys notice when the needle fell and the lights went out at the end of the episode?
[UNKNOWN]: I took that as it was Akasha on her way.
[UNKNOWN]: What do you think?
[UNKNOWN]: And so I said in a previous episode, I don't remember if it was a book section or not, but they've already talked about Akasha awakening.
[UNKNOWN]: So I don't feel bad saying, I positive at one point, I think maybe she already awoke when he had that transcendent moment with a violin on stage.
[UNKNOWN]: So, like my initial response, you know, when the whole thing about the CN tower imploding and falling down, which happens when the start starts driving his car after the interview with Daniel, you'll see it off to his right as he's driving.
[UNKNOWN]: I thought, okay, yeah, that could be Akasha doing some stuff like, like, I wonder about the power that went out in episode one, was that Akasha doing some stuff who knows?
[UNKNOWN]: Roland James the showrunner he was interviewed in the Toronto star and this is what he said about it.
[UNKNOWN]: He said, normally you're not allowed to blow things like that up, Jones said, recalling of the pitch for a scene in episode three, where like what if he drives by
[UNKNOWN]: in the CN Tower just explodes.
[UNKNOWN]: We called up the people and they were like, wait, what?
[UNKNOWN]: And we are like, no, no, no, no.
[UNKNOWN]: It doesn't happen.
[UNKNOWN]: This is something that goes on within him to show how he's feeling.
[UNKNOWN]: To Jones is delight the CN Tower officials understood the psychological context and cleared the shot.
[UNKNOWN]: I was flabbergasted and was like, this place is cool.
[UNKNOWN]: The California native said, I experienced Toronto before.
[UNKNOWN]: I got there as this place where all these incredible
[UNKNOWN]: So the last part is softening all the Canadian slender at the beginning of Episode 3.
[UNKNOWN]: But so he's basically saying that it was something that it was to represent Lestot State of Mind and I did pay attention on, especially my third rewatch and indeed when Lestot leaves the car, the tower is still standing behind him when the car bursts into flames behind him.
[UNKNOWN]: Hmm.
[UNKNOWN]: That's super interesting.
[UNKNOWN]: Okay.
[UNKNOWN]: I'm glad that we got the shot.
[UNKNOWN]: Yes.
[UNKNOWN]: So Corey also wrote in and said, I'm rewatching the Magnus in the car scene.
[UNKNOWN]: 68 souls at the long table.
[UNKNOWN]: Is he referring to the number of people that was not as killed?
[UNKNOWN]: a very hard company at the table, a hand of finger, internet, and the key brings her up this episode, a drummer of Pimp, you, mommy, Claudia.
[UNKNOWN]: So he said 68 courses, so I think that it's maybe like something about what they ate, but the people at the table, indeed.
[UNKNOWN]: He says, he says a hand, which I think refers to Mickey,
[UNKNOWN]: A finger, which yeah, that was my note in there that Nikki brought up a net giving a finger in season one.
[UNKNOWN]: Remember she and when that's sorry.
[UNKNOWN]: And when it chopped off or let list out or whatever, chop off a finger to try to fool Louie into thinking that it started killed her.
[UNKNOWN]: Right.
[UNKNOWN]: So that would be the finger.
[UNKNOWN]: The Pimp.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, I asked today said is Louie the Pimp totally makes sense to me.
[UNKNOWN]: Mommy, obviously, Gabriella, Claudia Claudia, a drummer here.
[UNKNOWN]: That's interesting because the only drummer I know of in this story is T.C.
[UNKNOWN]: And then we do here later in this episode after he messes with the cop T.C.
[UNKNOWN]: He's like, oh T.C.
[UNKNOWN]: Thanks for the first time.
[UNKNOWN]: Maybe I
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, that could be, maybe this is, um, if it's, if it's Magnus in the psyche of Lestad is Lestad like, it is on have like, yeah, I'm going to turn it on at some point.
[UNKNOWN]: Just do it now, just eventually.
[UNKNOWN]: Mm-hmm.
[UNKNOWN]: Who knows.
[UNKNOWN]: I feel like 60 is very low number for the number of people that will start as killed in years.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: I don't think definitely more than that.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: No.
[UNKNOWN]: I think I said, is it was it like the number of men that Magnus killed before let's start?
[UNKNOWN]: Oh, yes.
[UNKNOWN]: Yes.
[UNKNOWN]: That was a theory.
[UNKNOWN]: I got from Reddit that I said last week.
[UNKNOWN]: But I don't know.
[UNKNOWN]: I still don't know about the 68 courses.
[UNKNOWN]: But yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: I think the people sitting at the table that definitely tracks.
[UNKNOWN]: It could be that Magnus was like repeatedly draining and feeding with Stodd.
[UNKNOWN]: I mean, that was like he wasn't there that long that would be have a near constant which could be but I don't know it seems like really high.
[UNKNOWN]: It does.
[UNKNOWN]: Well, we don't know.
[UNKNOWN]: And perhaps we won't, perhaps we will.
[UNKNOWN]: Okay.
[UNKNOWN]: All right, let's get right into episode four because there's so much to talk about here, Alicia, what'd you think?
[UNKNOWN]: My notes here say squee.
[UNKNOWN]: This one is for the fan girls.
[UNKNOWN]: Fan boys represent them.
[UNKNOWN]: And fan boys, I mean, I'm using fan girls, gender neutral, okay.
[UNKNOWN]: Okay, that's fair.
[UNKNOWN]: That's, I can be one of the fan girls.
[UNKNOWN]: Exactly.
[UNKNOWN]: And yeah, it's interesting, this is the only non-city title this season.
[UNKNOWN]: We don't know what the season finale title is, but I have a feeling what city it might be.
[UNKNOWN]: But yeah, so the Devil's Road is the only non-city title, but let's not open the episode by saying all rockers sing about the road and connect it in that way.
[UNKNOWN]: But it's definitely, I mean, this is an important term in the Anne Rice lore, the Devil's Road.
[UNKNOWN]: So especially from this book, the Vampire Listot.
[UNKNOWN]: There's this character called Elisandra, who is a member of that, like, the cult covenant that Armand used to be part of.
[UNKNOWN]: And she basically, when they go into the covenant and get Nikki and all that, she's kind of like, I like Gabriella's vibes and stuff, like you're going to be great on the Devil's Road.
[UNKNOWN]: She uses this Devil's Road a lot, like every time I talk to her.
[UNKNOWN]: But the most famous quote is probably from my stone pillow, I've dreamed dreams of the mortal world above.
[UNKNOWN]: I've heard its voices, it's new music, as Lola buys, as I lay in my grave.
[UNKNOWN]: I have envisioned its fantastical discoveries.
[UNKNOWN]: I have known its courage in the timeless sanctum of my thoughts, and though it shuts me out with its dazzling forms, I long for one with the strength to roam it fearlessly, to ride the devil's road through its heart.
[UNKNOWN]: Basically, she thinks Gabriella is one with the strength.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, so I mean, the devil's road is just like this general thing that's referenced about the life of the empire, you know, that encompasses also the devil's part is the tough parts, the vampire loneliness, those they've talked about in this, you know, the aspect of the immortality, the transformational trauma, the having to kill to survive, the being separated from humanity aspects.
[UNKNOWN]: So.
[UNKNOWN]: great perfect title for this episode.
[UNKNOWN]: And I think it also just goes to show that people are like, oh, they're changing so much from the books.
[UNKNOWN]: Like, of course they are for a multitude of reasons.
[UNKNOWN]: And I'm glad because I'm reading the book so, and I'm liking the show better, who I know obviously.
[UNKNOWN]: I mean, I have a great affection from Anne Rice was one of my favorite authors growing up, so, and I'm really enjoying rereading the books even more than I expected, but there's a whole lot of reasons why they're remixing this, but just the fact that they're
[UNKNOWN]: including this and so many other little touch points that I'll mention as we go through this episode shows that the writers are definitely always thinking about the books and always working them together just yeah it's like a remix.
[UNKNOWN]: David would be happy that I'm thinking of the shibby test of does he does he the change fit the medium right is it right for the medium
[UNKNOWN]: one you would end up with closer to the 90s.
[UNKNOWN]: And if you were the vampire movie, and two I just think the books are really great in like a first person narrative telling you what happened, but that doesn't work so well in a TV show.
[UNKNOWN]: You know, and I really like this idea of remixing Losats past.
[UNKNOWN]: Mm-hmm.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: And I think it's also people who have been irked by the first few episodes might feel differently by the end of the season, especially from what we hear it starts to apparently episode five the next one is when it really feels like it's been said when it really feels like interview with the vampire season three.
[UNKNOWN]: I'm excited.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: Wow, I mean, I'm loving every episode so far, so including.
[UNKNOWN]: Oh, me too.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, yeah, no complaints.
[UNKNOWN]: I'm just, yeah, I'm excited to see it.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, no, no, no.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, we're too.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, no, no, I hope that people start feeling better about that.
[UNKNOWN]: Those who, a lot of people are loving it obviously.
[UNKNOWN]: But for those who aren't, I hope that makes them feel better.
[UNKNOWN]: And we're seeing,
[UNKNOWN]: We're seeing, you know, these layers of depth, you know, we talked about Louis taking his revenge on about Claudia's behalf last week.
[UNKNOWN]: And now we're seeing that, you know, the aftermath of revenge is never as satisfying as you hope.
[UNKNOWN]: It's interesting, right?
[UNKNOWN]: Because they left us on this note of Louis like, yeah, I'm good.
[UNKNOWN]: I finally did it.
[UNKNOWN]: And of course he didn't.
[UNKNOWN]: No.
[UNKNOWN]: And I'm really excited, Armand is back, back in the present tense, and, you know, at the end of the all fall down, the opening song, there's always let's start saying like some little line, and I got really excited when I heard the little line at the start of this episode was, do you hear that Armand?
[UNKNOWN]: Oh my god, I had no idea that it was different every time.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: That's so funny.
[UNKNOWN]: Um, yeah, I just, to shout out that, uh, I've been talking on the discord about the upside-down images.
[UNKNOWN]: They keep popping up throughout the episodes and they keep thinking about what they mean.
[UNKNOWN]: So I'd love to hear if other people have thoughts about what they mean.
[UNKNOWN]: But I'm wondering if, you know, taking a cue from the CN Tower, representing Let's Thoughts in our state of mind, does an upside-down image signify a moment that turns
[UNKNOWN]: head like we saw it for example at that transcendental concert.
[UNKNOWN]: We saw it the meeting with Thomas Pit.
[UNKNOWN]: We saw it on the Devil's Road.
[UNKNOWN]: We saw it in this episode of The Beach, where Gabriela left him.
[UNKNOWN]: which is shouting out by the way, Gabriella leaves him in Cairo in the books, but I'm wondering if this is Greece just based on something that was said in season one about going to Greece and who was there.
[UNKNOWN]: I mentioned in a previous episode.
[UNKNOWN]: But yeah, I just, I love that this show gives me all of these little details, not just Lord details, but these filmmaking details that really make me dig in and think like, what is it all really mean?
[UNKNOWN]: It's just absolutely wild journey that the entire show is going on in the score matches it like just shout out to down your hearts.
[UNKNOWN]: We can never do that enough, but I was noticing in this episode in particular, just how wildly varied this score is to match different emotional beats and also different perspectives.
[UNKNOWN]: Like I noticed Louie has always more classical music with it, whereas let's talk some more rock music, of course.
[UNKNOWN]: just absolutely loving all the technical details except the subtitles as episode were terrible and this might be I hopefully was fixed for the regular episode but for the streamers it was slightly off and timing which was annoying but more so there was some actual gibberish in there like I don't know if you have subtitles turned on John.
[UNKNOWN]: I do and I didn't notice that.
[UNKNOWN]: I'm
[UNKNOWN]: Did you watch it earlier than me?
[UNKNOWN]: Did they fix it?
[UNKNOWN]: I didn't fix it when I watched it again yesterday.
[UNKNOWN]: Okay.
[UNKNOWN]: No one's like, my wants it.
[UNKNOWN]: One point is like, A, M on the roll and here, we for the backbeat.lapse.
[UNKNOWN]: Like, what?
[UNKNOWN]: Why does that?
[UNKNOWN]: So maybe I will backbeat.lapse.
[UNKNOWN]: That sounds like somebody's like, B, that God.
[UNKNOWN]: like they were they were like making a note to play that music like that yeah I think anyway because I think it was when um it was during like the chaotic everybody's talking over each other on the bus thing so if they're using AI for it which is why humans should do it but once once once let's not sure it's off I'm not watching the subtitles anymore I just
[UNKNOWN]: I can't stress that enough.
[UNKNOWN]: I have hearing problems, so I depend on the subtitles, and I know a lot of other people do too, but anyway, just do better.
[UNKNOWN]: And yes, am I saying this because I'm bitter that I was used to work on subtitles before you're placed by AI a little bit.
[UNKNOWN]: It's just nice to point out.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: Well, the robot revolution got a shout out this episode.
[UNKNOWN]: I don't remember where, but they did go like, oh, you know, maybe we'll deal with the robot revolution.
[UNKNOWN]: I mean, I just have to echo pretty much everything you said incredible episode.
[UNKNOWN]: I still think I'm so threes my favorite so far, just because it was so incredibly done.
[UNKNOWN]: But this was still like, you know, it's like the best one of a perfect bunch.
[UNKNOWN]: Amazing.
[UNKNOWN]: I love Armand coming back even though I despise Armand.
[UNKNOWN]: I love seeing him and I love seeing him interact with Lestat.
[UNKNOWN]: The Schumer was really on point.
[UNKNOWN]: Watching Daniel get to confront dad as he called him was amazing.
[UNKNOWN]: And this show knows how to make me cringe in the best way.
[UNKNOWN]: I was cringing so hard with the Claudia stuff, or Regina stuff, I think she knows who she is anymore.
[UNKNOWN]: And I was cringing so hard with what thought it was mom, it was so bad.
[UNKNOWN]: Oh, gosh.
[UNKNOWN]: But it's such a good storytelling, right?
[UNKNOWN]: It's, you know, I feel like Daniel's basically the therapist to all the vampires.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: Well, I mean, in the very, it makes me think of I had a couple friends who went to the same therapist and they started to refer to her as mean mommy, and then goes like mean mommy.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, I think that's right.
[UNKNOWN]: Just so good, the costuming was amazing.
[UNKNOWN]: I wanna talk about, let's start to show Garb this episode.
[UNKNOWN]: Wild to me.
[UNKNOWN]: And again, like you said, the soundtrack is just so impressive.
[UNKNOWN]: It's just, it's so wild to me how they pivoted the tone and it feels natural.
[UNKNOWN]: Mm-hmm.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, totally agree.
[UNKNOWN]: Okay, so I basically feel the same as you.
[UNKNOWN]: So I feel the lead is ready to the episode, but first let's take a quick break.
[UNKNOWN]: how to make up.
[UNKNOWN]: On the road to the next show, a listot's band is pulled over by a state trooper.
[UNKNOWN]: The officer in his drug sniffing dog immediately, see the cocaine, will start controls both cop and pop, dresses the cop in cocaine, and sends him on his way with nobody cam.
[UNKNOWN]: The band shares for mine control.
[UNKNOWN]: I love that he said in this, I was in my grand bratface.
[UNKNOWN]: I was like, oh, he said the thing.
[UNKNOWN]: He said the thing.
[UNKNOWN]: He's the brat prints in case anyone doesn't know.
[UNKNOWN]: Right.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, I was in just he said, so now past the halfway point of the tour, which means we're now past the halfway point of the season.
[UNKNOWN]: But are you as insulted for Daniel's I am that he has to sleep standing up in a sleeping bag in the bathroom?
[UNKNOWN]: That is pretty awful.
[UNKNOWN]: But you know what, he's a vampire.
[UNKNOWN]: What is sleep to him anymore?
[UNKNOWN]: Um, I don't know.
[UNKNOWN]: I don't know if you can rest as well even as a vampire standing up.
[UNKNOWN]: Hmm.
[UNKNOWN]: I don't know.
[UNKNOWN]: But Salamander though, he's apparently, um, yeah, into there's like joking going around online that everyone's into Daniel Salamander says, let's get the old guy to watch you choke me.
[UNKNOWN]: He says to his lady friend of the moment.
[UNKNOWN]: Oh, gosh, them trying to eat all the cocaine was so funny to me.
[UNKNOWN]: Like, can I, can I, can I eat this much cocaine?
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: I mean, but it was also like, all the shenanigans leading up to it.
[UNKNOWN]: Like Christine and Salamander together are brilliant.
[UNKNOWN]: She's like slapping him and licking his face.
[UNKNOWN]: And then...
[UNKNOWN]: We see some random older cameraman checking out Daniel showering like her and I wonder if that's the same person as the drag queen we see when the cop comes on because I was trying to like look at the face and I think it might be the same person but then there's a the other cameraman who we see lying face down with a dick drawn on his face his ear coated and what looks like either com or handrail and Christ.
[UNKNOWN]: Christine is straddling him snorting coke off of his back like this is definitely that Extra story telling that do I think literally the tour was this wild.
[UNKNOWN]: I don't I think let's not maybe embellishing just a little bit
[UNKNOWN]: I don't know, Christine seems into it though, until the cops show up, and then she's like, I'm in lawyer mode.
[UNKNOWN]: I love Christine.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, hello, I just love that this season has like, I didn't think I was going to care about all these random humans, but, um,
[UNKNOWN]: They don't even need to tell me that much.
[UNKNOWN]: Everyone is so specific and feel so natural the way they're fitting in around, let's start, that I would love to spin off shows with all their stories, as long as the same writers, of course.
[UNKNOWN]: But I just understand how they fit in already.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, incredible.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: Incredible side character work.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: Can we talk about something shady that was inserted into like there's all this manic You know voiceover from let's start in this season and they sneak these little details in then.
[UNKNOWN]: I'm like wait you said what I know I know I'm like trying to type furiously and catch when I can
[UNKNOWN]: But you brought up the red meat for red eats thing about his, you know, floating video.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: Uh, which I wonder if, um, in the vampire listot, there's a scene in the past where he was like doing these black backflips on stage.
[UNKNOWN]: I was like, I kind of feels like the same energy.
[UNKNOWN]: He's doing obviously this vampire backflips.
[UNKNOWN]: He loves showing off.
[UNKNOWN]: This is what I try to say about like the difference between him and Gabrielle, like Gabrielle.
[UNKNOWN]: Sorry, I'm calling her Gabrielle because in the books, Gabrielle.
[UNKNOWN]: Gabriella is much more like, I don't need to impress anybody, I just am a god.
[UNKNOWN]: And let's start loves the show of being a vampire.
[UNKNOWN]: He loves impressing other people with being a vampire.
[UNKNOWN]: That's why he doesn't just mind control the cop to leave.
[UNKNOWN]: He paints his face and he makes sure he's humiliated in front of all the other bandmates.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, and it's interesting that he has mostly surrounded himself with mortals and one baby vamp.
[UNKNOWN]: So it kind of just puts him on a pedestal above everyone else, just naturally.
[UNKNOWN]: It's also like, I think this is
[UNKNOWN]: genre of music that he chose really fits this because yes he he was like you know classically trained he he does but please vote a layer on the piano I think that's what he'd prefer to listen to generally but maybe he doesn't go to join an orchestra or an opera because he knows that those people are going to work and going home and they'd probably not be very impressed with him making a spectacle of himself
[UNKNOWN]: He chose a rock band, which, to believe that you can be, look, I've been in a rock band.
[UNKNOWN]: That's why I'm speaking firsthand experience here.
[UNKNOWN]: To believe that you can be a rock star, takes a level of ego and delusion.
[UNKNOWN]: That, like, you will be impressed by your lead singer doing backflips.
[UNKNOWN]: And I think that that's why he chose this, right?
[UNKNOWN]: He chose a bunch of young people trying to be superstars.
[UNKNOWN]: Um, yeah, I don't know, because I think he is eclectic taste.
[UNKNOWN]: It is interesting that Roland Jones initially thought he was going to be a conductor rather than a singer, which I'm so glad they went this route.
[UNKNOWN]: And obviously, you know, he was a glam rocker in the novel.
[UNKNOWN]: Um, a lot of the press around this show makes a big deal about the fact that back then rock was cool.
[UNKNOWN]: And now rock is not cool.
[UNKNOWN]: I'm like, what do you mean?
[UNKNOWN]: It's still my favorite genre.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, but it's true though that it's like it's really falling from popularity like it's mostly like and and in a way that I don't think that You know rock doesn't exist anymore.
[UNKNOWN]: I just think that a lot of that rock is kind of merged with pop Is that it influences pop the rock elements have been put into more pop music.
[UNKNOWN]: I mean I would say with the songs in this season a lot of them are very pop Oh, yeah, yeah, absolutely
[UNKNOWN]: So yeah, but it's interesting, okay, so the floating video, we hear that the hits that they're getting on it, let's start later, finds out we're predominantly paid for bots paid for by
[UNKNOWN]: you know, we have the book obviously interview the vampire.
[UNKNOWN]: We, you know, as the Indian University book, I mean, this whole documentary that's going on, this thing where they're boosting the stats, status, combined with, we saw on the telemask of TV show that at least some wing of the telemask is actually themselves using low level vampires to convert
[UNKNOWN]: why do why does the telemaska suddenly want vampires to be public knowledge and why are they trying to increase their number help increase their numbers?
[UNKNOWN]: Do they know about Akasha maybe maybe maybe they know I mean at this point in the books no one knew
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, we had like we had Cory from the Reddit interview with the Vampire interview vampire subreddit subreddit, sorry, left a book lore bomb in the book spoiler section last week There was about something called omel and I don't know that we should get into it here, but I do when they're maybe they know more than they knew in the books at this point
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, I just think that, you know, I'm only referencing things that they've said in the show of like what's going to happen, like it was not in the future, um, seems like a cost is going to do something bad.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: And maybe the telemask is trying to work to make that come about.
[UNKNOWN]: Like you've making more vampires to get them taken out.
[UNKNOWN]: No, no, no, no, but yeah, so in Lestad says, should your privileged purse strings, speaking, of course, to the buyer of the records from, you know, the auction we saw on the first episode, should your privileged purse strings become interested in pursuing the actual truth of our recent apocalyptic adversities?
[UNKNOWN]: Look no further than that watchful order of the river of discrete, money flowing in dark directions.
[UNKNOWN]: So he's basically blaming whatever is about to happen with Akasha on the telomaska.
[UNKNOWN]: Hmm.
[UNKNOWN]: Okay.
[UNKNOWN]: I mean, I believe we'll stop.
[UNKNOWN]: Let's stop, told the truth.
[UNKNOWN]: Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha
[UNKNOWN]: You can change it, you can fix it.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, but the cop scene was really funny.
[UNKNOWN]: Do you like the movie Super Troopers?
[UNKNOWN]: I've never seen it.
[UNKNOWN]: Oh, it's classic.
[UNKNOWN]: But yeah, I had to think of that.
[UNKNOWN]: There's also a scene where they get pulled over and they just have to, they're eating all the drugs, which is like the shnaz various tastes, like shnaz various.
[UNKNOWN]: This is like more extreme version of that.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, can I ask you what would of Empire blood tests look like I would be weird.
[UNKNOWN]: That's sure.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, but we know that for most of
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, this arrest would go poily, but that that's what we weird.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, I'm glad Christine told him to get the body cam.
[UNKNOWN]: I think it's interesting in the scene how, like, they showed a really nuanced kind of multi-perspective take on the role of policemen.
[UNKNOWN]: Let's not say as you see the worst of humanity, every shift you take and I can only imagine how that affects your judgment and your home life.
[UNKNOWN]: So that's very,
[UNKNOWN]: you know empathetic and then falls it up with you go be the rough man standing ready to do violence in our behalf so it's like we understand where it's coming from but you're doing too much yeah I mean yeah I have a lot of feelings about the war on drugs and maybe please drugs and this kind of
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, I mean, this cop, I will say the cop was like pretty respectful with them.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, what he was, he was.
[UNKNOWN]: Do you hear his name is Officer Gloukey?
[UNKNOWN]: Gloukey?
[UNKNOWN]: Oh my god.
[UNKNOWN]: I mean, respect for the Gloukey's, if any of our listeners.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, I also delf with talking about the dog.
[UNKNOWN]: Delilah was right.
[UNKNOWN]: It is cocaine.
[UNKNOWN]: We are a rock band and we need it to do our job properly.
[UNKNOWN]: Do you think they're glorifying drugs?
[UNKNOWN]: Well, I think it was just like, you left out the second half of the sentence, right?
[UNKNOWN]: Which is just like, just as you need your firearm and expansive interpretation of the Fourth Amendment to hide in.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, I think that that is what he was trying to say there, right?
[UNKNOWN]: Is like, okay, yeah, we're doing something illegal and probably so were you.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, yeah, no, I mean, I think that they're sort of showing obviously like the sex and everything, it's just a very embellished over the top telling of this story, but I think there are also showing that it's another way, let's not even say, here's a list of things that I do to hide from my past and he didn't put drugs on the list, but I think it is on there, maybe under sex, maybe number five.
[UNKNOWN]: Did you get a sense with Christine when he said she's a very good lawyer?
[UNKNOWN]: Did that make you think of Daredevil and Spider-Man?
[UNKNOWN]: Or is that just me being a nerd?
[UNKNOWN]: That's just you.
[UNKNOWN]: That's you on that one.
[UNKNOWN]: I did not think of that at all.
[UNKNOWN]: All right.
[UNKNOWN]: But I felt bad for her.
[UNKNOWN]: Then she's like, she's probably at a minor heart attack when he started talking before remembering that he can just mind white people.
[UNKNOWN]: Well, did I guess he did now, right?
[UNKNOWN]: Because then she said, like, we have to mind white these people or something like that.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, and season two, and they had the meeting with quote and quote Thomas pit or with a lemon well episode to yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: Um, yeah, she's like noted this is it my first whatever rodeo or however she said it like I know you can just mind wipe them remove that expense.
[UNKNOWN]: Yep.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: But yeah, okay.
[UNKNOWN]: So Larry wishes Alex were there.
[UNKNOWN]: Well, we should get back to that.
[UNKNOWN]: But I think their brother relationship really sweet.
[UNKNOWN]: But one other thing that ends this whole sequence is we hear on a computer hard drive and a public library somewhere on the Eastern Seaboard, a manifesto, a manifesto waited.
[UNKNOWN]: Oh, I just realized that's the guy who shoots him later.
[UNKNOWN]: And then he says, we were on the Devil's Road now, hurling toward the M Times.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: I did not realize that that was the manifesto.
[UNKNOWN]: So thank you for connecting it for me.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, no, I just clicked into place right now.
[UNKNOWN]: No, gosh.
[UNKNOWN]: Well, we've got to catch up with our dear friend, Louis to Pont du Lac.
[UNKNOWN]: And I've combined all the scenes here because I couldn't talk about this longer than one section because it's just so, I just,
[UNKNOWN]: Alright, you read it.
[UNKNOWN]: Alright, Louis can't stop going to see Regina.
[UNKNOWN]: She suspects he wants to ask her out, but he shows her limoel.
[UNKNOWN]: Another time Regina asks, who she reminds him of, and Louis shows her the book.
[UNKNOWN]: When Regina asks what happened to her, he abruptly leaves.
[UNKNOWN]: Regina misses a couple shifts and comes back scared of Louis and understanding that she looks like Claudia.
[UNKNOWN]: Louis offers to clear her criminal records and pay off her debts, but she refuses to be a replacement.
[UNKNOWN]: Later, she catches Louis watching her from his car.
[UNKNOWN]: And waves him inside, Louis agrees to pay $500,000 for her to ask like Claudia.
[UNKNOWN]: I just, I just, and the, oh my god, I'm playing it again.
[UNKNOWN]: This is, that's for Louie.
[UNKNOWN]: Not for, not for Regina to be clear.
[UNKNOWN]: Louie, Louie, what are we doing here?
[UNKNOWN]: I, I am worried because, yeah, some of the stuff like about her background reminds me a bit of a character that comes later in the books called Rose.
[UNKNOWN]: And I'll talk about that more in the book spoiler sections and I brought it up, but I just say that if I'm supposed to think of Rose, it makes me very worried for what direction Louise behavior is going if he's being conflated with a different character from that book, Princess Stop.
[UNKNOWN]: So I'm worried.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: I hate all of this.
[UNKNOWN]: I had, at first I was like, oh, is he just, you know, maybe trying to get to know her a little bit.
[UNKNOWN]: He's, I mean, he is, she's right to call him out and he was literally stalking her.
[UNKNOWN]: He finds her only fans, criminal record, credit card scams, bouncing around Europe.
[UNKNOWN]: I did catch in my ear when he said stolen car and Amsterdam.
[UNKNOWN]: This is one of two times the Netherlands has mentioned this episode, but just the specific mention of Amsterdam.
[UNKNOWN]: I wonder if she's ever had any run-ins with the telemosca?
[UNKNOWN]: You think?
[UNKNOWN]: Well, I mean, when they brought up Amsterdam, obviously, if anyone who doesn't know that's where I live, so I definitely catch those references in every time they've brought it up in the show, it's been linked to the Tomasca.
[UNKNOWN]: Hmm, you're right.
[UNKNOWN]: You're right.
[UNKNOWN]: This universe in general, yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: Speaking of overseas, this Virginia character is British, and yeah, I will say naming your British character Regina as a little, we'll try it there.
[UNKNOWN]: Really?
[UNKNOWN]: Uh-oh, okay.
[UNKNOWN]: I'm just joking.
[UNKNOWN]: Well, because they have the monarchs.
[UNKNOWN]: They famously have the monarchs, and she's really mean.
[UNKNOWN]: I mean, Queen.
[UNKNOWN]: Uh-oh.
[UNKNOWN]: Okay.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: A little on the nose there.
[UNKNOWN]: Okay.
[UNKNOWN]: No, I was going to say, I was like, oh, this English accent's really good from Delaney.
[UNKNOWN]: And I looked it up, and I was like, oh, she is English.
[UNKNOWN]: She's from London.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: I know from her interviews, that's her normal accent.
[UNKNOWN]: That's kind of more like Jacob Anderson's normal accent, too.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, I just thought it was so funny because I was, I was dupped.
[UNKNOWN]: I, she was so good as an American that I, I thought she was just American, but no, no, now she's allowed to, I wonder if that was like in her contract, like, all right, I'll come back, but you have to let me speak normally this time.
[UNKNOWN]: Uh-huh.
[UNKNOWN]: Why, I guess, to differentiate the characters and stuff.
[UNKNOWN]: Although I did think she did a decent job with the accent, which we get to hear again.
[UNKNOWN]: What now, Daddy Liu?
[UNKNOWN]: So I'm gonna point it out that Bailey said the Daddy Lou line, but the Delaney never did.
[UNKNOWN]: So like the first Claudia set it and the second Claudia didn't.
[UNKNOWN]: Right, she was also the first time character got to this actor rather got to say that line.
[UNKNOWN]: Good point.
[UNKNOWN]: This was, by the way, when Louie was in the car, one of the musical moments it stood out to me the most, where we have just like this, like yearning, tragic, hopeful, swirling music going on there, just a very gorgeous piece of scoring.
[UNKNOWN]: Just really stood out on some other scenes.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, every time Louie's on the screen, they're like, we are very sad about everything
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, yeah, yeah, there's some I think one thing that, you know, they do pull some lines and things directly from the novels, but I think also the stuff they write themselves is so
[UNKNOWN]: beautiful and just like these, you can pull apart every line like just a bit about these liminal spaces that have no name, a service station travel pauses for occupants not aware that they need to rest or service.
[UNKNOWN]: I think that's kind of the point of this whole season and this whole point of being on the devil's road is that it's all of these characters are in different
[UNKNOWN]: to confront their demons and find healing.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, I think that's right, especially Lestad is in complete denial.
[UNKNOWN]: I do know one vampire who's trying to confront his demons.
[UNKNOWN]: Which one?
[UNKNOWN]: Armand.
[UNKNOWN]: He's got his letters, you know?
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, no.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, he's a little notes.
[UNKNOWN]: He's been in, what is it in a...
[UNKNOWN]: I don't remember, but Daniel taught him with it so bad.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, enduring intense conversation with myself every time I hear him say it, I hate to spurs In during intense conversation with myself like dude does not like himself.
[UNKNOWN]: Oh, no, he does not Anyway, we'll get to our mom.
[UNKNOWN]: Um, I love they called Louie, he who franchises the night
[UNKNOWN]: And they explain why he is, because we ended season two with him being like, Bamps, you want me, come at me, and now apparently he's more feared than wanted.
[UNKNOWN]: So, right, see why he gets left alone, despite being the subject of this book.
[UNKNOWN]: I had to shout out that they were talking about zone two for anyone who doesn't know that's a fair zone in London, basically it's just outside the city center.
[UNKNOWN]: So it's not the fancy fancy places, but the next one out.
[UNKNOWN]: Got it.
[UNKNOWN]: And, you know, one more thing about the well-in thing is...
[UNKNOWN]: I do think this was a deliberate like let her have her own accent because you could easily have had her just have a New York accent, right?
[UNKNOWN]: Sure.
[UNKNOWN]: differentiate it.
[UNKNOWN]: Like the Louisiana New Orleans accent is very distinct in the US and you could just have her have a more non-regional diction or more New York accent or Chicago or whatever you wanted it.
[UNKNOWN]: Um, but yeah, no, I think I just think they wanted to relax a little bit like okay, so we talked about Amsterdam being associated with the telemaska what other cities associated with the telemaska yes New York, but also London
[UNKNOWN]: So I don't know.
[UNKNOWN]: I'm not saying it's a thing just saying I'm going to be watching out if she has any links to the tell mascara.
[UNKNOWN]: Okay.
[UNKNOWN]: All right.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, yeah, I just the other last thing is just a Lemwell again on this phone casual my ass Louis.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, and of course she's like, oh, you're gay.
[UNKNOWN]: He goes, gay, gay, gay, gay.
[UNKNOWN]: Unlike in Anne Rice wrote all of her characters as bisexual.
[UNKNOWN]: Actually, he saw a clip of an interview with her that someone asked her, like, why are all your characters bisexual?
[UNKNOWN]: She's like, oh, that's how I see the world.
[UNKNOWN]: I think they're just projecting, buddy.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, exactly.
[UNKNOWN]: It's how I think it's good that they, you know, people are different and they can have more specificity with various characters.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, be with who you want to be with and, you know, maybe it won't be toxic, but it probably will be if you're a vampire.
[UNKNOWN]: That's, that's where we should learn from this.
[UNKNOWN]: Did you enjoy Louie taking a bite of hamburger because that was cracking me up?
[UNKNOWN]: Really really did not like that.
[UNKNOWN]: No, well, what did he he talked about it?
[UNKNOWN]: Is like taste like paste or something to him now?
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, like toothpaste or something like that.
[UNKNOWN]: Well, toothpaste actually would taste better probably with it.
[UNKNOWN]: It's like it's like that.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, no, I was so I guess it really the episode released like a day early in Australia.
[UNKNOWN]: So I was just like looking on that thread to see what people were saying about it.
[UNKNOWN]: And somebody had posted the picture of Squidward in SpongeBob trying to probably patty for the first time and like
[UNKNOWN]: curling his lips back and extending his teeth to dig at the time he is bite and they were like Louis crack me up.
[UNKNOWN]: She's like yeah, the burgers are bad here.
[UNKNOWN]: He's like they're bad everywhere.
[UNKNOWN]: He didn't say that, but that's what he's thinking.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: All right, shall we catch up with Alex?
[UNKNOWN]: All right.
[UNKNOWN]: With Sophia missing and Daniel's suspicious listot opens up about Gabriella.
[UNKNOWN]: Well, to himself.
[UNKNOWN]: Let's not ignore it, Nicky's ghost, and Farid recounts his mother's death while he was on his way to see her.
[UNKNOWN]: Alex returns to the band.
[UNKNOWN]: Dude dude, it was um, yeah it was nice to see, I like I said before, the Larry and his brother chatting on the phone and like Larry was sad that his brother wasn't there to see something awesome, like they really are good brothers.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, and okay, so Alex, he finally gives into his foe mo, but also
[UNKNOWN]: Why does it feel like a rune quote unquote are man pushed him and to rejoin the band so like it and that's I assume why he presumably went to see him out at this AA meeting What yeah, what was his game because he could also like our mom knows these people he could just walk up himself Like he eventually did it's not like he used Alex as a way to get back in with the group or something so what is he up to?
[UNKNOWN]: Oh, I think that's his backup plan.
[UNKNOWN]: If he gets kicked out, he's going to get invited back to the party.
[UNKNOWN]: But I can't wait.
[UNKNOWN]: He's like, well, I'm Alex's guest, actually.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, I'm actually here with him.
[UNKNOWN]: Okay.
[UNKNOWN]: Right.
[UNKNOWN]: No, I really do.
[UNKNOWN]: I think it's part of his manipulation.
[UNKNOWN]: This is not an organic plug here.
[UNKNOWN]: Okay.
[UNKNOWN]: I never trust anything Armand does ever.
[UNKNOWN]: Mm-hmm.
[UNKNOWN]: And I trust everything will stop does, even though he lies to me.
[UNKNOWN]: realize constantly I think that's yeah that's that's a toxic relationship you're in with a thought at least at least I'm on and I know what he is.
[UNKNOWN]: It is proven I'm pretty sure that like the more attracted you're to someone the more willing you are to like if you've lost you know what I mean.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: And so I'm sorry but our mom and I like a
[UNKNOWN]: I love the list of the ongoing thing where he can't pronounce things.
[UNKNOWN]: Like, Worcestershire.
[UNKNOWN]: Worcestershire.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, that was really good.
[UNKNOWN]: What did he say, like nonsense?
[UNKNOWN]: In nonsense, ridiculous.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: And then this was also like last week, there was a Saskatchewan, but I forget how he pronounced it.
[UNKNOWN]: It was like,
[UNKNOWN]: It stands out to me and they even put it in the subtitles in quotes, because he's saying, like, Sasuke Chue, I forget.
[UNKNOWN]: But somebody posted on, I guess it was Blue Sky, the way Lestod should be arrested for the way he pronounces Sasuke Chue.
[UNKNOWN]: I mean, I will say, like, as a New Yorker, as a New Yorker outside New York City, some of these names of towns are just perplexing.
[UNKNOWN]: I mean, Worcester is Worcester, whatever it is.
[UNKNOWN]: Is that that that's what I mean?
[UNKNOWN]: I'm not responsible for that one.
[UNKNOWN]: It's the English.
[UNKNOWN]: It's the thought of the English.
[UNKNOWN]: It is the fault of the English that one.
[UNKNOWN]: But I mean, a lot of these Native American names of towns outside like on Long Island and upstate New York and upstate New York, just if you didn't grow up near it, you're not gonna know how to pronounce it, just ask a local.
[UNKNOWN]: By the way, speaking of Native Americans, thank you to Dr. Fureed for educating us all that Mick Mac is the people in Mick Ma is a person.
[UNKNOWN]: As in the Native American tribe from, you know, the Northern North America.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, Easter.
[UNKNOWN]: Good bit of knowledge.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, Dr. Fureed, I love that Dr. Fureed is like,
[UNKNOWN]: Um, I, I know we'll talk about him in a second, but I just love that everyone seems to like him.
[UNKNOWN]: Daniel was gave him some shit last season, but now nobody's ever said anything Angry to or about him.
[UNKNOWN]: He, um, he's got some trauma underneath them trauma.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: And yet he was very matter of fact about it wasn't he.
[UNKNOWN]: Mm-hmm.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: I mean, but then.
[UNKNOWN]: I'm glad they're getting into, like, because that was kind of how we got Lestot's first backstory about Magnus, as he just dropped it there, and then he's like, and you know, we'll use also trying to get back into Claudia and Louis's first graces in the first, but good graces in the first season, but it just, the fact that I love the fact that this character, who's from like the later, like, late later books, is being included so early and in such a delightful way.
[UNKNOWN]: I like how we're considering season three so early.
[UNKNOWN]: Okay, yeah, but they're I mean, they're mixing a number of later things.
[UNKNOWN]: Then yeah, yeah, no, I just mean like we are so early into the books.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, yeah, on time line, but like there's no way we're going to do as many seasons as there are books.
[UNKNOWN]: So no, I wonder, I wonder how far we actually get or rather what plot lines we fast forward through to get.
[UNKNOWN]: Well, it's also a lot of the books are like the, for example, our Mond, we get, we actually already got the teas of his backstory last season.
[UNKNOWN]: That was again where he's just like, here, let me stand in front of this painting and tell you my sub story in a couple of lines.
[UNKNOWN]: And then he gets later book six.
[UNKNOWN]: I believe, yeah, it's all about his backstory, and then in it's like in that we're re-contactualizing all the things that we learned in the first two books, so it keeps revisiting the events and adding extra layers to them.
[UNKNOWN]: So the show has the opportunity to be like, okay, we know the whole story.
[UNKNOWN]: How do we do it like all together because a lot of things are happening at the same time or obviously the backstories of these characters You know exist in the past I'm gonna skip books six got it
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, it's good to know that telepathy takes energy because that's a good reason for them to it's handy when they have, because there's all these layers of communication.
[UNKNOWN]: We hear the telepathy.
[UNKNOWN]: We hear the verbal conversation with those narration and then there's also text messaging and this creates more of not only that obviously let's start tiding that Sophia is his,
[UNKNOWN]: his fledgling, but it's an explanation for why they can just rely on text messaging sometimes, but that doesn't fit the gigant.
[UNKNOWN]: I honestly though, I think Daniel's completely onto Sophia and Lestad.
[UNKNOWN]: I just, I think he's pieced together already quite obviously.
[UNKNOWN]: You, you think so?
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, I mean the fact that he's like, why are you texting?
[UNKNOWN]: Like he knows, he knows Daniel's
[UNKNOWN]: Hmm, that he knows that she's his fledgling or that he knows that she's his mom or...
[UNKNOWN]: I think he's guest who she is.
[UNKNOWN]: Okay, okay.
[UNKNOWN]: Because, let's start loves to go on about a situation, right?
[UNKNOWN]: Even a traumatic, especially a traumatic situation, right?
[UNKNOWN]: He loves to milk it, like the way he told him the nicky story.
[UNKNOWN]: And the way he just goes, yeah, yeah, she couldn't handle being a vampire.
[UNKNOWN]: Well, as he said, while at the past day in the past, I welcomed a dead, and we see them surrounding him for sure, but I guess that's with all of us.
[UNKNOWN]: You know, if I think about that shot, we get at one point with toward the end to come back to it, but I think about who would be sitting here in this room with me.
[UNKNOWN]: yeah, definitely not an empty room.
[UNKNOWN]: I don't like that thought.
[UNKNOWN]: Let's see what failures we can pin on good old mom.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, what did you, okay, so we talked last time about Gabriella leaving,
[UNKNOWN]: and whether it was because she was bored with him or failed guilty, I just rewatched episode three yesterday and I'm still going to lean on the supportive her feels like oh I'm messing my kid up like because there's this look on her face before she left or like where she saw him singing the song that I like better than you and um and she was like hmm maybe actually just let him be in a good place and then of course he's
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: I don't know.
[UNKNOWN]: I can't get a good read on Gabriella as far as that.
[UNKNOWN]: I feel like she wanted to abandon the mother role, the minute she became a vampire.
[UNKNOWN]: I also think like, and this is also commentary on like women in history of like,
[UNKNOWN]: women were expected to be mothers and caregivers and weren't really given a choice, either way.
[UNKNOWN]: They were just expected to produce ares, especially nobility, and I think Gabriella, if she were today, should be childless, right, if she were just a woman today, she would choose to be childless.
[UNKNOWN]: I don't, yeah, you know how many?
[UNKNOWN]: Especially like even older women in my grand parents generation I've heard say that they Never thought that they were going to have children and then did Yeah, because of a social pressure, right?
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, or just life took them that direction or something, but yeah, yeah But I agree.
[UNKNOWN]: I agree.
[UNKNOWN]: She definitely obviously wouldn't have married Mr. Father.
[UNKNOWN]: No, not the cabbages.
[UNKNOWN]: Not the cabbages cabbages cabbages cabbages.
[UNKNOWN]: That's essentially your word for me
[UNKNOWN]: which take that.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, we should have that.
[UNKNOWN]: I keep wondering though about like, okay, so I was saying that I have my Peppy Silva board up that I'm connecting all of these theories.
[UNKNOWN]: But Gabriela going east, she said she went east and then what is east and this is where we get the whole mick mong mick mick thing.
[UNKNOWN]: And then you know, and she does, she's like, oh, I got my long scorched and bar Harbor, which first of all, please never call a bikini wax
[UNKNOWN]: But, you know, I'm thinking what's east and again, like I'm thinking, they parted ways in Greece, could she have been going that far east for a reason that I might bring up in the spoiler section?
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, I mean, east of Albany and the U-Bass is almost nothing, I say that almost nothing, but it's like, you know, two states.
[UNKNOWN]: But they were going to meet in Albany, so he wasn't there quite rude.
[UNKNOWN]: No boo isn't the in Maine or something.
[UNKNOWN]: So yeah, yeah, East East.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, East East.
[UNKNOWN]: So he's gone.
[UNKNOWN]: She's going off the coast.
[UNKNOWN]: Oh, New Europe.
[UNKNOWN]: Mm-hmm.
[UNKNOWN]: Or beyond.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, so she's flying.
[UNKNOWN]: She's flying.
[UNKNOWN]: The good thing she has the cloud gift.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, all right.
[UNKNOWN]: How fast can she fight like, can she beat the sun?
[UNKNOWN]: I don't think she can like, I don't know.
[UNKNOWN]: That is a good question.
[UNKNOWN]: That I also have the question about the house of the dragon.
[UNKNOWN]: How fast can those dragons fly?
[UNKNOWN]: I, um, I almost sent in a voice mail.
[UNKNOWN]: I might do it this week.
[UNKNOWN]: Okay.
[UNKNOWN]: All right.
[UNKNOWN]: We'll see.
[UNKNOWN]: I had, I had feelings about that episode.
[UNKNOWN]: All right.
[UNKNOWN]: Oh, can't wait to hear them.
[UNKNOWN]: Um, this is my you can wait.
[UNKNOWN]: This is my second this is my second and last hosting of the dragon show and then David takes back over.
[UNKNOWN]: That's all right.
[UNKNOWN]: I'm really happy with my vampires.
[UNKNOWN]: I'm I'm pleased with my decisions this season.
[UNKNOWN]: No, yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: To focus on this.
[UNKNOWN]: No, I was thinking about it.
[UNKNOWN]: It was like, you know, I enjoy the dragon show, but when I finish it, I feel like an emptiness.
[UNKNOWN]: And when I watch this, I feel so full of everything.
[UNKNOWN]: You know, all the good, all the bad, all of the excesses of life.
[UNKNOWN]: I will tell you, you know, we were talking about how like a lot of people don't seem to know about this show.
[UNKNOWN]: I, you know, after the last day of school the other day, me and some other parents we took our kids for a picnic.
[UNKNOWN]: And while the kids were all playing, we were all sitting out and saying, you know, I'm covered and watching this show right now.
[UNKNOWN]: And they were like, oh, I love that show and so like a few people knew it.
[UNKNOWN]: So I was like, okay.
[UNKNOWN]: Good.
[UNKNOWN]: You're more well.
[UNKNOWN]: You're friends.
[UNKNOWN]: Tell everyone.
[UNKNOWN]: Yep.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: I'm a prosuletizer.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, me too.
[UNKNOWN]: For this show, I'm definitely evangelical.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: What did you think of the way that this episode used Nikki?
[UNKNOWN]: I like Nicky as the sarcastic voice.
[UNKNOWN]: I don't think he's a real spirit.
[UNKNOWN]: I think this is Lestat being, you know, in some kind of psychosis here.
[UNKNOWN]: Okay.
[UNKNOWN]: Just haunted by his music in a personal way rather than a literal ghostly.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: Okay, I mean, I mean, I think with these, it does seem, because for example, when we get that view where there's like a bunch of the people of his life sitting in the car, Louie's one of them there, and obviously it's not Louie's ghost because he's not dead.
[UNKNOWN]: So, yeah, but then there's also the other thing like the baby janks moment.
[UNKNOWN]: I feel like that really was literally her ghost outside her body when she died for a moment and freed broader back.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, that could be, but if that was her ghost, her ghost from the future?
[UNKNOWN]: No, like from that moment, she separated from her body for a bit and then freed brought her back.
[UNKNOWN]: But what?
[UNKNOWN]: Okay, so, but how would she know the endings of characters?
[UNKNOWN]: Oh, did she, why would she have some omniscient sense?
[UNKNOWN]: I don't know.
[UNKNOWN]: Maybe the other side told her things.
[UNKNOWN]: Maybe she's psychic?
[UNKNOWN]: I don't know.
[UNKNOWN]: So is it predestined of the other second teller thing?
[UNKNOWN]: I'm very, I don't know.
[UNKNOWN]: I'm caught up in this.
[UNKNOWN]: This is a logic circle for me.
[UNKNOWN]: But then this is also the thing is what is time?
[UNKNOWN]: Is the direction of time, with this goes back to our whole conversation about, welcome to Dairy.
[UNKNOWN]: But is the direction of time just something that we perceive rather than something that's really real?
[UNKNOWN]: Because there are a lot of
[UNKNOWN]: ideas that say, time all exists at once.
[UNKNOWN]: We just experience it in one direction.
[UNKNOWN]: You're getting very Kurt Vonnegut with me.
[UNKNOWN]: I don't like it.
[UNKNOWN]: I came to the show to gok at Lestad.
[UNKNOWN]: and feel things and feel things about the stock about his big endowment that he did.
[UNKNOWN]: All right, let's get to the apology tour.
[UNKNOWN]: Well, Daniel is bullying our mom tries to complete his 12 steps.
[UNKNOWN]: Daniel is not supportive and calls our mom a 500 year old pussy.
[UNKNOWN]: Later, our mom tries his apology tour on Lestat and Lestat invites him to a show.
[UNKNOWN]: Just perfect Daniel here.
[UNKNOWN]: Hi Dad.
[UNKNOWN]: I'll be fine.
[UNKNOWN]: I, yeah, um, first of all, it is fun to see the Dan has indeed taken up bullying to cope with his transformational trauma that wasn't a joke, although I can't imagine it helps with the vampire loneliness.
[UNKNOWN]: But I had to look out, look up the names.
[UNKNOWN]: He was shouting out Rosenthal, a pooch, so Farrow, Greenwald, these are our all famous bolers.
[UNKNOWN]: So, there we go, educating you again.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, well, that's funny.
[UNKNOWN]: But yeah, then the rapture comes, um, um, Daniel gave some class a rents in this scene.
[UNKNOWN]: He did, um, he had quite the insults for him.
[UNKNOWN]: What was, what was that one where he was like, you bottom twink?
[UNKNOWN]: I don't feed him twink or something, and then basically, both Daniel and Lostat basically tell her mom to go to the other side of the earth or the moon and die.
[UNKNOWN]: Like he's like, I hope you eat something radioactive and you're tick falls off like cheats.
[UNKNOWN]: And then that snaps Daniel out of the rapture.
[UNKNOWN]: But there is something beautiful in here.
[UNKNOWN]: There's a few beautiful things.
[UNKNOWN]: But one is that when he starts the note, which everyone's like, we didn't get the full letter.
[UNKNOWN]: We made the full letter, but he starts with dear Daniel of all the things that walk in the garden.
[UNKNOWN]: It is to you, I have done the most harm.
[UNKNOWN]: And there are two references to the quote unquote garden in this, and this is, do you know about the Anne Rice's Savage Garden?
[UNKNOWN]: And of course the band is named after that, but I don't know.
[UNKNOWN]: Do you want to read the Savage Garden, the quote from the Vampire Listat?
[UNKNOWN]: Do I have to do a French accent?
[UNKNOWN]: No, you can do an Anne Rice, a New Orleans accent.
[UNKNOWN]: I can't do either of those things, so I'm just going to say, in spite of all the refinements of civilization that conspired to make art, the dizzying perfection of the string quartet or the sprawling grandeur of Freganard's canvases.
[UNKNOWN]: Beauty was savage.
[UNKNOWN]: It was as dangerous in lawless as the earth had been eons before man had one single coherent thought in his head or wrote codes of conducts on tablets of clay.
[UNKNOWN]: Beauty was a savage garden.
[UNKNOWN]: So we, this is something like representing list-offs perspective, and indeed we do in the Gabriella flashbacks, get list-offs saying he refers to the world they're traveling as an endless garden.
[UNKNOWN]: And it just made me think of, first of all, I love another piece of evidence that they are deeply familiar with the books and the parts of the books that people care about.
[UNKNOWN]: A very popular band cared about so much the name themselves after it.
[UNKNOWN]: But it also made me think of, in episode one, I guess it was when Daniel, he called it Lestot's tour like his bironic reaction to the book, basically.
[UNKNOWN]: And, um, regular long-time listeners might know that I did a deep dive into Lord Byron and the Shelly's and the Romantic's this past fall,
[UNKNOWN]: monsters, um, monsters series that I've been doing in various forms.
[UNKNOWN]: And it just really struck me, how ironic this perspective is, this quote, this, this idea that, um, what matters most in the world is its savage beauty.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: Um, so it's basically saying like it's a garden of Eden, but savage.
[UNKNOWN]: I mean, just basic, I think the, I mean, there's, when I was trying to look up the exact quote for this, I saw I ended up reading a bunch of an essay where someone was just going on into like all the different possible meanings they saw on this.
[UNKNOWN]: But so it's open to interpretation for sure, but I read it as that in the bironic way, it's a bit nihilistic in a way to be honest.
[UNKNOWN]: but it's just basically like the world is what it is so let's and it's going to be savage.
[UNKNOWN]: Let's find the beauty in it.
[UNKNOWN]: I hear that the telemaska sent a bunch of Dutch children outside your window tin to rub this podcast.
[UNKNOWN]: They heard that they were their country was insulted by the elevator.
[UNKNOWN]: I do have a preschool across the street for me and sometimes they have recess outside.
[UNKNOWN]: on Sunday?
[UNKNOWN]: Oh, you know what, okay, so when I say it's a preschool, I should say it's actually more of a children's birthday party center, where they do you think they do?
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: Got it.
[UNKNOWN]: I was like, although there is actually- That's right.
[UNKNOWN]: The judge of the very series about- There's a preschool one block further though.
[UNKNOWN]: Okay.
[UNKNOWN]: All right, so there's always a chance around the telemasket can't stop us.
[UNKNOWN]: We're going on.
[UNKNOWN]: So sorry about that.
[UNKNOWN]: Um, okay.
[UNKNOWN]: We have to talk about the lower we learned about Daniel's turning that he was apparently turned on a plane, which is how it happens in the book.
[UNKNOWN]: The big difference is that in the book, Daniel has been asking for years for this and in this version,
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, and I had always thought that he just cornered Louie.
[UNKNOWN]: I started cornering him in Louie's place in Dubai.
[UNKNOWN]: No, he said at the end in the season two finale, he said they said they're among Saturday.
[UNKNOWN]: No, I know, but I'm saying, I, I thought that our mom had just cornered Daniel in the movie.
[UNKNOWN]: Oh, Daniel.
[UNKNOWN]: OK, OK, yeah, yeah, yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, no, that's, that's, I mean, for reasons that we've been discussing in the inside the coffin segment, um, people who are very interested in where this storyline is going on in fearful, not to spoil yet.
[UNKNOWN]: Um, I have been wondering.
[UNKNOWN]: about a lost time back in the 70s when they first met and be lost time after the Dubai because a few years have passed since Dubai.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: Um, we, there's a lot going on here.
[UNKNOWN]: We're going to talk more about Daniel and our mom a little bit later.
[UNKNOWN]: that comes back around.
[UNKNOWN]: But yeah, I am very curious about a lot of the things that I think we're going to have to see some of it for into the call.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: So it is interesting that he says Blackout Years at Night Ritter, which is a media conglomerate by the way, owns a bunch of the biggest papers in the country.
[UNKNOWN]: So yeah, Blackout Years could very well refer to his drug problem that we've
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, by the way though, I'm not even a fish fan, but a lot of people I love love fish, so I feel defensive of them.
[UNKNOWN]: Why are they catching random strays from Daniel?
[UNKNOWN]: I mean, they are, here's the thing.
[UNKNOWN]: It's fish fans are a lot like vegans.
[UNKNOWN]: Is that if you know a vegan, you'll know that they're a vegan, and if you know a fish fan, you know that they're a fish fan.
[UNKNOWN]: I think that's why they catch strays, is because whoever the fish fan is like an evangelist for fish,
[UNKNOWN]: I think it's, yeah, it's the concert experience of people love because it's this jam band experience, which is not necessarily my thing, but a lot of people, I know, yeah, we're really into them.
[UNKNOWN]: Look, I played music in many bands in high school and college, and therefore I came into contact with people who also wanted to.
[UNKNOWN]: You know, obsess over fish.
[UNKNOWN]: I tried listening to them.
[UNKNOWN]: They just weren't my thing.
[UNKNOWN]: I prefer a more structured song than a jam thing.
[UNKNOWN]: So, but I respect it, right?
[UNKNOWN]: It takes a lot of talent to be able to jam like that together and to, you know, find your groove.
[UNKNOWN]: But I think that's really cool.
[UNKNOWN]: That said, the joke was hilarious to me because everyone I've ever known who loves fish will not stop talking to me about how much I should listen to fish.
[UNKNOWN]: Listen, on behalf of the vegetarians in your vegan vegetarians, I only ever bring it up so much Just because I have to keep reminding people so they don't feed me me No, it's fair and I you know that I've spent time in the camp.
[UNKNOWN]: No, I just think it's I just think it's funny It is a true trope though No, it's like I've never met a vegan that that did not at some point tell me that they were a vegan
[UNKNOWN]: There is a practical reason.
[UNKNOWN]: I'm just saying, but you don't have to be judging about it.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: There is no practical reason for the fish evangelism to be clear.
[UNKNOWN]: You don't have to tell me what contracts you go to.
[UNKNOWN]: They just want you to have the same joy that fish brings them.
[UNKNOWN]: You know, I say that as I'm currently trying to get everybody to watch my gay vampires.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, that's true.
[UNKNOWN]: We all have the things we are passionate about.
[UNKNOWN]: Exactly.
[UNKNOWN]: I'm not trying to yuck anybody's up here.
[UNKNOWN]: You like fish.
[UNKNOWN]: I think you should watch it, listen to it, do whatever you want with it.
[UNKNOWN]: Okay, in terms of things people are passionate about, can we talk about what we think is going on with the references to Daniel's family?
[UNKNOWN]: So we find out like when Lestod asks him, when are mom turned you on that jet?
[UNKNOWN]: Were you on your way to see your daughters and your Alice?
[UNKNOWN]: were you on the way to see your book agent and then yeah we hear all these things like where he wants to call them but then doesn't what do you think is going on with Daniel's daughters and this is not a book that he doesn't have daughters in the book.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah um I don't know I really don't know um I feel like if Daniel acts the way he does to everyone else I could kind of see why his daughters would be less in contact with him
[UNKNOWN]: uh... he does seem to be kind of an abrasive personality with everyone even the people he likes and he's prioritized his career clearly we keep hearing is that loyze fault yeah by the way why does our monsblood sock
[UNKNOWN]: I think it's just Daniel being impatient because, like, he's a baby vamp, and our mom grants it.
[UNKNOWN]: He's not the strongest vampire, but he is an old vampire, and also Daniel is his first fledgling.
[UNKNOWN]: And you, like, your first fledgling kind of has a bigger boost than later ones, unless you drank it from a caution in between, not that we know anyone who's done that, because he would have told us 20 times.
[UNKNOWN]: Um, but yeah, so that just I think honestly that like Daniel just needs to be a little more patient and it would help if our mom helped train him to do things.
[UNKNOWN]: Right, you have master, you need a teacher, is that what I was, I'm doing the fourth of weekends.
[UNKNOWN]: Right.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, our mom's specialty, by the way, is the mind gift as we've seen, which is like the first thing most of the vampires learn on their own, but he's really good at it.
[UNKNOWN]: He's like the best at it.
[UNKNOWN]: So that's something that he could, you know, he could teach him how to mess with the stop back.
[UNKNOWN]: Basically, that's something he could probably already be learning right now.
[UNKNOWN]: take him longer to learn the fire gift or especially the cloud gift, but yeah, he needs to be more patient, but it's interesting that Daniel himself points out the parallel between his own deadbeat datism toward his daughters and our mom toward him.
[UNKNOWN]: Mine is, of course, the killing his daughters.
[UNKNOWN]: He knows who he is.
[UNKNOWN]: So let's have a restock at our point.
[UNKNOWN]: Okay.
[UNKNOWN]: Boy, boy, was this hilarious scene?
[UNKNOWN]: And kind of, I mean, look, Daniel Salaris was insults, but it's still like a traumatic scene where as Lestad is just straight up comedy.
[UNKNOWN]: That was just comedy to me because, okay, I guess Lestad was wronged in theory by Armand, but it kind of gets negated when Armand's like, well, I know that you didn't mean it as torture to hold your silence and make me wonder.
[UNKNOWN]: And he goes, no, it was torture.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, which I don't know if I completely believe let's start about that because I do think that I don't think he cared about herding or mom there, but I do think that he was protecting Louis to a certain extent.
[UNKNOWN]: No, I totally agree.
[UNKNOWN]: I think let's start tries to curate this brat print persona and tries to curate this idea of nonchalons, but he does care a lot, right?
[UNKNOWN]: Mm-hmm.
[UNKNOWN]: And I think later we see he cared a lot about Claudia too.
[UNKNOWN]: I agree, yeah, he hides from his feelings.
[UNKNOWN]: Whereas, yeah, it would be making him, I think Armand always is in some ways more in touch with his feelings, be just because, well, his feelings have been like millennia of being hurt, or centuries of being hurt, you know.
[UNKNOWN]: And rightfully so that he's like, the first people to love him is parents, sold him into slavery, and then we'll find out more of his stories we go along.
[UNKNOWN]: And so I think we should give Armand props that he admits that he was a coward in the situation with Louis.
[UNKNOWN]: Obviously that doesn't negate the bad thing that he did in terms of lying to Louis for decades.
[UNKNOWN]: But yeah, and I think also that Armand owns up to on reflection, he says it was delusional to think that he and Lestat were ever companions.
[UNKNOWN]: He said a wish fulfilling delusion rooted in childhood conflict.
[UNKNOWN]: And Lestat is being a dickier with the getting naked and teasing him with the blood shower thing, right, with his uh, generous and downman.
[UNKNOWN]: Yes, the on generous and downman.
[UNKNOWN]: I love to Osad Zaman's acting.
[UNKNOWN]: The eye acting is on point.
[UNKNOWN]: He was really good.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: The flicks of the eye.
[UNKNOWN]: And then when, let's start, it says, our mom went.
[UNKNOWN]: Let's not just stop performing because our mom likes the rules and they're making too many vampires mortals want to allow it.
[UNKNOWN]: I can't support it.
[UNKNOWN]: And so he's like fine.
[UNKNOWN]: Five more shows and I'm done.
[UNKNOWN]: Come to my show.
[UNKNOWN]: That basically it's a humiliating him.
[UNKNOWN]: He doesn't say that.
[UNKNOWN]: He says I'm quite sexy and that look That our mom gives us he walks out.
[UNKNOWN]: It's like, oh, I'm crying.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, it's just it just calls back to our mom going.
[UNKNOWN]: I love you.
[UNKNOWN]: And we'll suckling Christ Which in our mom's telling was jittin jittin.
[UNKNOWN]: Oh, see Okay, what is a fuck cloud and why does this dot call our mom that
[UNKNOWN]: You know, I, I think only he knows that.
[UNKNOWN]: Um, I love that there was a Siri pause call back to the season two finale.
[UNKNOWN]: That was a fun moment in season two finale.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: But yeah, they leave us with he says that our mom would do more damage than the Queen ever did.
[UNKNOWN]: So I'm like, oh, is this about the Alex situation?
[UNKNOWN]: Oof, I am excited to see where this goes and also terrified.
[UNKNOWN]: Mm-hmm.
[UNKNOWN]: Absolutely.
[UNKNOWN]: Do you think that our mom has a shame, Kink?
[UNKNOWN]: Um, I mean, if so, like it wouldn't be that surprising to be honest, because basically his life has been a series of being thrust into shameful situations, and being told this is how it's supposed to be.
[UNKNOWN]: I mean, I just, I just feel like this whole thing.
[UNKNOWN]: Hmm.
[UNKNOWN]: You know what I mean?
[UNKNOWN]: About the... A concert thing.
[UNKNOWN]: About?
[UNKNOWN]: No, everything.
[UNKNOWN]: Like, just going to confront these people who are yelling at him or mocking him.
[UNKNOWN]: I mean, he's talking about it.
[UNKNOWN]: He's talking about it.
[UNKNOWN]: He's like, what?
[UNKNOWN]: Like, 500 years older, whatever.
[UNKNOWN]: He's, you know, he's given away all this fucks.
[UNKNOWN]: You know, I don't think that's true though.
[UNKNOWN]: I think I don't think it's true if we're talking to anybody.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, I think it's actually, I think you're right, actually.
[UNKNOWN]: Maybe Louie gives more of a fuck, but our mind holds on to a lot of fucks.
[UNKNOWN]: Well, we're really quantifying this only.
[UNKNOWN]: It's two cartloads of fucks.
[UNKNOWN]: Let's take a break and then let's head to a party.
[UNKNOWN]: All right, so we're at the party.
[UNKNOWN]: Lestat recalls when he and his mother went to Italy, where she is recognized as a Vijay.
[UNKNOWN]: In the present, Daniel presses Lestat for more information and Lestat taunts Daniel with our mom's manipulation of him in Dubai.
[UNKNOWN]: Lestat feels oversimulated as someone tries to sell him on a deal and he can't reach Gabriella.
[UNKNOWN]: And he finds himself remembering his deliance
[UNKNOWN]: Hmm, I just have a question about, all right, no, maybe we'll jump into that later.
[UNKNOWN]: But I just have a question that I'll expand upon in a future section, this leaving the theater to Armand and stealing away by carriage with Gabrielle, does this take place after Nicky's death as Lestad has represented to Daniel or before, just putting that out there?
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: That is interesting.
[UNKNOWN]: I don't know how much of that is true.
[UNKNOWN]: I do think that it was a genuine feeling of, you know, love for Nikki.
[UNKNOWN]: I wonder if this is, if, you know, holding Nikki and telling him that he loved him before he dies, if that's what let's not wishes, but have happened.
[UNKNOWN]: Well, watching Armand pin him in the fire, well, then it's a way to blame him, and I blame him, he's death of Armand, rather than- It is, but I just mean like this idea of he had to comfort him before his death.
[UNKNOWN]: Like he thinks said Nikki, deserve that.
[UNKNOWN]: Hmm.
[UNKNOWN]: I'm sure he does think that.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: This is where we get the insult to the Dutch.
[UNKNOWN]: They're like, what's going to story going to be?
[UNKNOWN]: Like, oh, we're nobles escaping the guillotine by fleeing to the Dutch Republic, which is known for very little.
[UNKNOWN]: I think I wrote in the notes.
[UNKNOWN]: No good or for you.
[UNKNOWN]: How dare you.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, now they ended up doing some stuff.
[UNKNOWN]: I can't name it.
[UNKNOWN]: I can actually written books about they did so little they had to misdeme the Pennsylvania Germans
[UNKNOWN]: Um, well, okay, but that's because it was, it's Deutsche, but that's my joke.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: Is that they had to steal that valor from the Pennsylvania and German?
[UNKNOWN]: You know that you could use the word Dites, which is the Dutch word for German for the Dutch basically and in certain parts of the country basically until World War II and then we're like, they're like, no, we're different from that country.
[UNKNOWN]: Well, that's interesting.
[UNKNOWN]: So, there's, there's so much happening here, especially in the past.
[UNKNOWN]: Uh, you have the dear departed uncle Marius quote here who was bored by our tart and if you are mine.
[UNKNOWN]: It's just interesting.
[UNKNOWN]: They are definitely bringing up Marius as often as they're bringing up Akasha.
[UNKNOWN]: So I feel like we should just anyone who doesn't know who Marius is just they're talking about them a lot.
[UNKNOWN]: and maybe y'all talk about why that probably is in the book spoiler section, but it's funny to think about them.
[UNKNOWN]: Of course, they're going around with two coffin straps of the roof because we're also going to sleep.
[UNKNOWN]: I will say just for if you're a casual watcher waiting for us to explain things, you have heard of Mario's before that was our mom's maker.
[UNKNOWN]: Right.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: No, we've pointed it out when it's been brought up because like, for instance, last week in the flashback Gabriella's like, are there any Italian vampires and our mom's like, no, my maker's dead.
[UNKNOWN]: Right.
[UNKNOWN]: Well.
[UNKNOWN]: So then we get the scene in, it's an in, but it's like a religious in.
[UNKNOWN]: or there's just a lot of religious people here.
[UNKNOWN]: I guess just, yeah, ever, because it was like holy Saturday or whatever was the Sabbath.
[UNKNOWN]: Right, right, right.
[UNKNOWN]: And Gabriella is the indenial of who she is, but she's recognized anyway.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, and there was this cool moment there where Gabriella, she like projects her voice into the guys mind who comes up and recognizes her and she's just like where what happened to her now because he's like oh I remember this young girl who looks like you and she's like in his mind what happened to her now.
[UNKNOWN]: and Lestock gives her an impressed look or a surprise look.
[UNKNOWN]: And that's definitely another book reference to just the fact that Gabriela was faster to learn.
[UNKNOWN]: You know, Lestock later got the Akasha blood boost, but a Gabriela from the jump was turned just months after Lestock, and she was faster to learn the vampire stuff.
[UNKNOWN]: She was just a more natural vampire than him basically.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, and I, I, by that, I think Gabriela was like me to be a vampire.
[UNKNOWN]: And, of course, she is made to do something else to him.
[UNKNOWN]: Well, I'd say, I like her quote, I'm not a Vetsha anymore, not a Marquis, not a wife, not a woman, and this is sort of a nod to what we've brought up before about the fact that in the book, she immediately starts dressing immense clothes and shopping off her hair.
[UNKNOWN]: And then indeed,
[UNKNOWN]: before she ditches us.
[UNKNOWN]: Later, we see that she has cut off her hair and left it behind.
[UNKNOWN]: But the question still remains, does it grow back every day?
[UNKNOWN]: Like in the past.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: That is a good question.
[UNKNOWN]: I don't know.
[UNKNOWN]: Something else, something's growing, but it's not hair.
[UNKNOWN]: It's not walks in on her with a religious man.
[UNKNOWN]: And she, of course, immediately kills him.
[UNKNOWN]: Do you think when she was like, you know, loudly having sex with the art of the last episode, was she trying to recreate that moment and the effect it had on, let's start?
[UNKNOWN]: Shame.
[UNKNOWN]: I can't, I can't anymore.
[UNKNOWN]: Yes, I do think that now, and I hate it.
[UNKNOWN]: Sorry.
[UNKNOWN]: Thank you for overloading the shame from your house of the dragon coverage.
[UNKNOWN]: It was almost romantic between them, you know, in that moment you almost buy like, oh, there's something different now, but no, it's bad.
[UNKNOWN]: It's a badge.
[UNKNOWN]: I hate it.
[UNKNOWN]: I hate this so much.
[UNKNOWN]: I mean, not bad writing and it definitely comes from the source where he says all this stuff, we're not, you know, mother's son anymore, we're
[UNKNOWN]: So it's not just flipping it though.
[UNKNOWN]: Why is that okay?
[UNKNOWN]: Why is the start like having romantic relationships with all of his fledgling?
[UNKNOWN]: That's true.
[UNKNOWN]: It's also a power dynamic issue.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: Well, Gabrielle is going to run away anyway.
[UNKNOWN]: Do you think I mean, I guess she was getting bored in this case, or like she was seeing the stats not evil enough?
[UNKNOWN]: And he was like, he drew like the blood wedding ring on her and we know he was trying to possess her and she does not want to be possessed by anyone.
[UNKNOWN]: Right.
[UNKNOWN]: I think it's just, they're just very different.
[UNKNOWN]: They want to live differently and that's okay.
[UNKNOWN]: Just go live separately.
[UNKNOWN]: I think though he was fine while Louie was with him.
[UNKNOWN]: Now he's just feeling really alone.
[UNKNOWN]: I think he just feels really abandoned right now.
[UNKNOWN]: He's surrounding himself with all this glamour and he's running himself with his bed, but it's nobody like on his level.
[UNKNOWN]: Daniel is the closest thing and I think he still looks down at Daniel as a newbie.
[UNKNOWN]: Sure.
[UNKNOWN]: So yeah, and then he hates our mind.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: You didn't see Christina as an equal.
[UNKNOWN]: No, you didn't see any mortal as an equal, I don't think.
[UNKNOWN]: I think he does have some respect for both Christine and D because obviously Christine is, he said she's a really good lawyer, but she's kind of the one who's like making his life run at this point and then D on the other hand.
[UNKNOWN]: So Christine gets him this meeting with this Andrew
[UNKNOWN]: You know, the studs spiraling out because Gabriella is not responding to his texts and calls and stuff.
[UNKNOWN]: And he says, it's okay, let D decide about the deal.
[UNKNOWN]: So I was actually surprised that he values D so much that he would let her make a decision about the future of his band.
[UNKNOWN]: I understand why he values her opinion more than his bandmates, other than Alex, maybe.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, that is interesting.
[UNKNOWN]: I had not picked up on that, so I was not sure exactly what he was talking about there.
[UNKNOWN]: But yeah, I do like how listot.
[UNKNOWN]: I mean, this whole thing is a game to listot, right?
[UNKNOWN]: He does not care who he signed to as long as he gets to do his shows.
[UNKNOWN]: He's not even trying to make money.
[UNKNOWN]: I think that's where this guy is going wrong is he's like talking about like, oh, he could do firm and let's not say I don't give a shit.
[UNKNOWN]: I'm so rich right now.
[UNKNOWN]: I don't need any of this.
[UNKNOWN]: And apparently there's both tons of fans and protesters at all of his shows.
[UNKNOWN]: And we'll get to what the protesters do.
[UNKNOWN]: Hmm, they're not in the peaceful.
[UNKNOWN]: No.
[UNKNOWN]: Did you notice that when he was crashing out about Gabrielle, he the guy who recognized Gabriella at the, you know, in the past at that Chavern, he hallucinated him smoking a blunt with Nikki and Farid at the party.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, I took me a few watches to pick that up because the editing is so pacy, there's so many new details each time.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, they're just thinking everybody in.
[UNKNOWN]: What did you think about the conversation between Daniel and this dad?
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, Daniel is always here to be sassy, right?
[UNKNOWN]: Like Daniel, just at all the time is just, you know, it's a tellin' novella, that's my favorite line from him.
[UNKNOWN]: but you know you were 5,000 feet from Louis when you dropped him was that love fair question especially since he was ribbing Daniel about our mom did that point too that's true um we'll start never dropped Louis by the way I am you know not believe it did you think that told the truth do you think let's start was right about our mom playing dumb to Daniel Dubai or should we hold it until we talk about their second conversation I mean it's all on this episode yes I think let's start was right
[UNKNOWN]: We're confirmed by that.
[UNKNOWN]: They're basically confirmed right with our mom later.
[UNKNOWN]: I was playing dumb.
[UNKNOWN]: I don't know if that's the way to put it, but you okay, all right.
[UNKNOWN]: So at least he, it was love that interfered with his understanding of what was happening.
[UNKNOWN]: Do you think that that means he was not reading Daniel's mind out of love?
[UNKNOWN]: Maybe.
[UNKNOWN]: Okay.
[UNKNOWN]: All right, we'll get this clouded by.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: Um, okay.
[UNKNOWN]: We have to talk about Alex in our months.
[UNKNOWN]: So we at the party Alex is like, someone's like, oh, is that your sponsor?
[UNKNOWN]: He's like, we're not really using that word.
[UNKNOWN]: Okay.
[UNKNOWN]: You in a relationship.
[UNKNOWN]: I don't know, but he says he talks to our mom every other night and call to him a god, and then He's like Then who's he talking to again his brother or something?
[UNKNOWN]: He's like, oh, yeah, gods are going around now He's like, well mine can't float, but he said he He helped Alex get past all that shit.
[UNKNOWN]: I was carrying and I'm like, are mom?
[UNKNOWN]: What did you do to this man's mind?
[UNKNOWN]: He said, all that shit I was putting on to other people onto you to his brother Larry.
[UNKNOWN]: This guy erased it all, brother, but he won't tell his brother his name.
[UNKNOWN]: So I'm wondering like, what he took from Alex's mind and what he might have left behind.
[UNKNOWN]: And I, as much as I defend our mind, I am, I'm protective of Alex, who said, this might sound like a can of corn, who says that it's so cute.
[UNKNOWN]: That is cute.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, um, these humans playing around with vampires have no idea what they're going to do.
[UNKNOWN]: No.
[UNKNOWN]: They think it's like parlor tricks like Blastock keeps showing them, but no, it's not.
[UNKNOWN]: It's much deeper than that.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: Especially for the master of the mind gift.
[UNKNOWN]: Introducing the Vampire Armand.
[UNKNOWN]: Armand comes to the show and the stop takes full advantage.
[UNKNOWN]: He puts a spotlight on Armand and introduces him.
[UNKNOWN]: Then he dedicates his song, Big Boss to the ancient vampire.
[UNKNOWN]: I don't know if that's the actual name.
[UNKNOWN]: I just write it down because I was okay.
[UNKNOWN]: All right.
[UNKNOWN]: Armand leaves and Daniel follows.
[UNKNOWN]: Daniel demands that Armand stop making him see people who are gone.
[UNKNOWN]: Armand thinks that's just their vampire bond.
[UNKNOWN]: Armand Morn's Daniel that the Great Conversion is happening.
[UNKNOWN]: Armand swears that what happened in Dubai was genuine and based on love for someone not Louie.
[UNKNOWN]: My first question is, was Lestad supposed to be dressed up like Claudia?
[UNKNOWN]: I, I saw that in the notes and I think you're right.
[UNKNOWN]: I, yeah, that seemed like from the play.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: I'm a costume.
[UNKNOWN]: Mm-hmm.
[UNKNOWN]: The pig tails and the like rosy cheek make up.
[UNKNOWN]: I think you're right.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: I, I called it his country as look yet, but yeah, I think it's, it is more about that.
[UNKNOWN]: I think you're right.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: I think he's trying to, I see years and thing.
[UNKNOWN]: Like, let's start in Claudia obviously had their beef.
[UNKNOWN]: But I do think he loved her.
[UNKNOWN]: And I think that he holds a lot of anger at our mom for getting her killed.
[UNKNOWN]: Especially earlier, we didn't talk about this, but our mom's like, oh, this production.
[UNKNOWN]: He goes, not a production.
[UNKNOWN]: This is something that happened.
[UNKNOWN]: Mm-hmm.
[UNKNOWN]: This was a real trial with an execution.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, no, it's true.
[UNKNOWN]: It's true, call them out.
[UNKNOWN]: Call them out.
[UNKNOWN]: All right, he's making light of it in his apology.
[UNKNOWN]: question about the timeline here because the book came out in 2025 but in but let's thought said an episode one the book came out two years ago and he says and it is twenty twenty five book and then he says two years ago so I guess this season is set in twenty twenty seven then I don't know that it really meant no he said it was a twenty twenty five tour
[UNKNOWN]: No, the book definitely come out of twenty twenty five.
[UNKNOWN]: The book definitely came out in twenty twenty five.
[UNKNOWN]: That's what he says on the stage.
[UNKNOWN]: This book from twenty twenty twenty twenty five book.
[UNKNOWN]: Who knows it, blah, blah, blah.
[UNKNOWN]: I'm I'm very confused because I feel like in episode one they said it was his twenty twenty five tour.
[UNKNOWN]: But the the in when they did the flashback when he found out about the book that was twenty twenty five on Halloween.
[UNKNOWN]: So the band was formed, the band was formed in 2025.
[UNKNOWN]: So, no, because it's, it's, the failures is, 111 albums containing an omniscient history of the events of the 2025 album and supporting tour.
[UNKNOWN]: Hmm.
[UNKNOWN]: So there's something going on here, timeline was.
[UNKNOWN]: Either that's just an error or but usually in this show means something.
[UNKNOWN]: maybe the tour has gone off for two years.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, I mean, I don't think so though.
[UNKNOWN]: Usually tours are just, you know, you call it a different tour next year.
[UNKNOWN]: Hmm.
[UNKNOWN]: But okay, so we have to stop saying our mom and start saying the French Bengali Smoke show with Uwujepan, Japan and me.
[UNKNOWN]: Japan May Ice.
[UNKNOWN]: Oh, man.
[UNKNOWN]: Do you see that?
[UNKNOWN]: Do you see the emojis that people use to describe our mind on the fan for no it's you know like when people do the emojis is like the two big eyes with the mouth in the middle like I've actually done it to for row and made fair to been talking about the miracle which is people do that but replace the two eyes with orange circles.
[UNKNOWN]: Oh my god that's so funny.
[UNKNOWN]: But yeah, okay, this is, I wrote a little rant here that I saw a, I saw a, I saw a, I saw a, I saw a, I saw a, I saw a, I saw a, I saw a, I saw a, I saw a, I saw a, I saw a, I saw a, I saw a, I saw a, I saw a, I saw a, I saw a, I saw a, I saw a, I saw a, I saw a, I saw a, I saw a, I saw a, I saw a, I saw a, I saw a, I saw a, I saw a, I saw a, I saw a, I saw a, I saw a, I saw a, I saw a, I saw a, I saw a, I saw a, I saw a, I saw a, I saw a, I saw a, I saw a, I saw a, I saw a, I saw a, I saw a, I saw a, I saw a, I saw
[UNKNOWN]: I just want to say to anyone who thinks he's the worst, because there's was a lot of debate on the discord and on Reddit this week, ready to, or discord, but...
[UNKNOWN]: you probably don't know his whole story if you haven't read the books.
[UNKNOWN]: And most of what you've heard through this show so far is filtered through the perspectives of two of his exes.
[UNKNOWN]: And I'm not saying he's never done wrong, but I'm saying they've all done really wrong things.
[UNKNOWN]: Louie may be so far the most offensive, but I don't know if he's going to come out of this season like that.
[UNKNOWN]: So
[UNKNOWN]: This is why I defend our mind, my indefense of the Gremlin, Ted talk is complete.
[UNKNOWN]: Thank you.
[UNKNOWN]: Man, well, I will say it's not just two of his exes that you hear from.
[UNKNOWN]: It's also one of his victims.
[UNKNOWN]: Which is Daniel, right?
[UNKNOWN]: You're hearing.
[UNKNOWN]: how one of his victims feels about her men.
[UNKNOWN]: Not great if you just feel most on that.
[UNKNOWN]: No, yeah, sure.
[UNKNOWN]: Daniel absolutely has every right to feel the way that he does.
[UNKNOWN]: Especially with this TV show version of events, yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: Right.
[UNKNOWN]: What do you think about the amount truthers in the audience at the show?
[UNKNOWN]: I mean, that's absolutely what would happen, right?
[UNKNOWN]: Everyone, you know, I'm currently podcasting within our mom and career, and so obviously they're out there.
[UNKNOWN]: Okay, but here's some things, like a list of how do you get on to production, Alicia.
[UNKNOWN]: List of also says on stage, he says it calls her mom to friend and says he did a brave thing for me once.
[UNKNOWN]: Is the brave thing about Nikki about the death of Nikki?
[UNKNOWN]: What was the reason?
[UNKNOWN]: So yeah, that's how I run it too.
[UNKNOWN]: All right, well, can we talk for a moment about the contradictions in Mickey's death that have been popped up so far across all three seasons?
[UNKNOWN]: Let's do it.
[UNKNOWN]: So season one, episode six, there's when Leston comes back and he's trying to get back into Claudia and mostly Louise, good graces, at one point Claudia confronts him and says, did Nicky kill himself like your maker Magnus or did you kill him like you did Antoinette and how you tried to do with Louis?
[UNKNOWN]: And Lestat says, Nikki passed on after he and I parted ways, it took me over a century to try again.
[UNKNOWN]: So this, he's saying, in this case, via Louie, obviously this is Louie and Lestat saying this is untrue.
[UNKNOWN]: But that was a story we heard in the first season.
[UNKNOWN]: in season two episode five, which I'll point out was written by the same writer as this episode we're talking about right now.
[UNKNOWN]: So this person presumably knows what they wrote in season two episode five, Louis says to our mind when they have that flashback to New York in the 70s.
[UNKNOWN]: He's, oh sorry, not New York, San Francisco, right?
[UNKNOWN]: In the 70s?
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: The 10 hours I spent with that boy were more exciting, more fascinating than decades with you and Louis's panting.
[UNKNOWN]: Oh, there it is that half blank, half apocalyptic look, but what does it mean tonight, huh?
[UNKNOWN]: Does he want to lick my boots or chop my hands off?
[UNKNOWN]: Is it the gremlin or the good nurse tonight?
[UNKNOWN]: So the chop my hands off seems like a reference to in the books how he chops Nikki's hands off.
[UNKNOWN]: Rather than making it do it to himself.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: and then I submit one final piece of evidence.
[UNKNOWN]: Season two, episode seven, the dialogue during the trial, Lustot says, my first paramour, Nicholas de Lomphon, a violinist, and Santiago says, belong to this very theater troupe, and Lustot says, briefly, yes, a fragile mind, prone to corruption, a heart-breakingly beautiful boy of immense talent, which Lustot doesn't actually think about him, actually about the immense talent.
[UNKNOWN]: Anyway,
[UNKNOWN]: Santiago says Nikki went insane.
[UNKNOWN]: He died by his own hand.
[UNKNOWN]: Lestot says no, with a little help from others.
[UNKNOWN]: Louie says I followed Lestot's gaze and saw Armand and one of the boxes.
[UNKNOWN]: So this is obviously referring to the same thing, but he and again this is filtered through Louie's telling of the story, but it again says that Nikki took his own life.
[UNKNOWN]: So either it really is just that Lestot is calling bullshit on Louie thinking that
[UNKNOWN]: Nicky took his own life, but why would Louie lie about that if he didn't tell him that?
[UNKNOWN]: Maybe he didn't offend our mom, you know, that was his boyfe at the time.
[UNKNOWN]: Maybe, maybe, maybe, maybe, maybe, maybe, but okay, this presenting the evidence.
[UNKNOWN]: Now, I appreciate it.
[UNKNOWN]: I'm not ready to rule yet.
[UNKNOWN]: You'll get my decision in about 30 days.
[UNKNOWN]: Okay.
[UNKNOWN]: When the shirts are right.
[UNKNOWN]: Yep.
[UNKNOWN]: Would you think of this song for our mind?
[UNKNOWN]: It was fine.
[UNKNOWN]: I think it was supposed to be kind of like mocking.
[UNKNOWN]: Like I don't think this was supposed to be one of, well, shots hits.
[UNKNOWN]: I don't think he wrote it to be a hit.
[UNKNOWN]: Well, no, I mean, this is the one that TC and Salamander brought to him earlier and said would be kind of like a middle school chair, but then Salamander's lyrics were big boss drink a little cup big boss you better watch out cuz he's hungry and his name is Lestat it'll rhyme better he said and Lestat's like, um, actually what if we just took that in, um, yeah, he made some musical comments, you know, it's like you're flipping your hair every time and then that's
[UNKNOWN]: Uh, I, you know, it was fine.
[UNKNOWN]: I think it fit the scene really well.
[UNKNOWN]: Mm-hmm.
[UNKNOWN]: What about you?
[UNKNOWN]: Uh, yeah, I mean, musically, I don't think it's most interesting one, but it was, yeah, it was like a playground taunt.
[UNKNOWN]: My favorite line is you got a lot of rules for a theater kid.
[UNKNOWN]: Kids, he's all about the great laws.
[UNKNOWN]: Yes, I know.
[UNKNOWN]: Oh, man.
[UNKNOWN]: Our mom, our mom is really a whole monitor, isn't he?
[UNKNOWN]: A bit.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: Would I was going to ask would you thought about Alex's response to finding out that this person he knew is a ruin was the vampire amount in the audience or did he already know?
[UNKNOWN]: I don't know.
[UNKNOWN]: I can't get a read on it.
[UNKNOWN]: I just can't get a read on it.
[UNKNOWN]: I'm sure we'll find out in the next episode.
[UNKNOWN]: You had a look on his face.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: I didn't know obviously he had a big look on his face.
[UNKNOWN]: He was feeling sorry for him and followed him out.
[UNKNOWN]: Is that how you interpreted that?
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, I think that's right.
[UNKNOWN]: Absolutely.
[UNKNOWN]: I think that's right for a minute.
[UNKNOWN]: He was like,
[UNKNOWN]: Daddy, Armand, are you okay?
[UNKNOWN]: And then he pushed him against the wall.
[UNKNOWN]: Right.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: And then we find out that the rapture thing happens to Armand too and he can't stop it.
[UNKNOWN]: He says, he says, is there vampire bond?
[UNKNOWN]: He thinks.
[UNKNOWN]: And I loved that bike jump scare.
[UNKNOWN]: We're suddenly like a bike runs between them because they're standing in the middle of the street and don't realize it and that brings them back to reality.
[UNKNOWN]: Right.
[UNKNOWN]: Um, I think it's interesting that he's warning about Lestat in the Great Conversion because Lestat called the Great Conversion pretty fucking stupid, but I mean, he's right, right?
[UNKNOWN]: Like how much, how much food is on the planet for that, right?
[UNKNOWN]: They can't just be openly killing everybody and reducing the population that much every night.
[UNKNOWN]: Mm-hmm.
[UNKNOWN]: No, it's true.
[UNKNOWN]: He doesn't have a study or head on a shoulder.
[UNKNOWN]: It's probably a couple more centuries.
[UNKNOWN]: Yep.
[UNKNOWN]: And then, yeah, he Daniel, of course, asks about the doubts, let's start planning it, and that's where we get the thing.
[UNKNOWN]: It was, it was love, but not as love for Louis.
[UNKNOWN]: Do, do, do, and all the devil's minion girly scream.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: So we've got one more section here that I've titled evil.
[UNKNOWN]: I'm doing my second SpongeBob reference in one episode.
[UNKNOWN]: Maybe I should stop.
[UNKNOWN]: Lestot crashes out about Gabriella's absence, a shooter, tries to prove Lestot as a vampire and shoots him and graces Christina at least.
[UNKNOWN]: In Lestot's memory, his mother tells him that they should become Dante's inferno on Earth.
[UNKNOWN]: Instead, she abandoned him in the day.
[UNKNOWN]: So yeah, that was supposed to be like a band in the night, but okay, all right, I'm done in the present Gabriella returns to the bus Lestot and the band have quit and Gabriella is here to stop it Gabriella shares the voices with Lestot and proves that he had been reaching his fans.
[UNKNOWN]: He imagines all of his victims on the bus
[UNKNOWN]: I've just had another musical moment that the way the discord and piano is used is the start is crashing out again and leaving messages for Gabriela about how important he is.
[UNKNOWN]: And also right before the shooting, I didn't even notice this until like the second watch, but there's the bit where he's singing The Wheels on the Statco, me, me, me.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, so good.
[UNKNOWN]: I really liked when he goes, Yeah, what bad that may?
[UNKNOWN]: She goes for a week.
[UNKNOWN]: It's not nice.
[UNKNOWN]: I was so, it's a mother and child.
[UNKNOWN]: And that's, this is why you, I have to keep playing the shame bell because it's clearly still a mother and son dynamic at a lot of the points.
[UNKNOWN]: Like you can't, you can't move past that just because you're a mortal now.
[UNKNOWN]: And this is why I think she's also starting to see, like, oh, this is bad.
[UNKNOWN]: Like, I'm making this relationship bad and I'm making a bad for him.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: Definitely.
[UNKNOWN]: Um, Ghost Nikki, when he shows up in this whole bit, well, a stats crashing out, and he's writing his writing on the mirror with his bloody stump, like, oh my god.
[UNKNOWN]: And he says, did I beat Antoinette?
[UNKNOWN]: I'm third in the queue.
[UNKNOWN]: Did I beat Antoinette?
[UNKNOWN]: Um, it seems like he was writing Maria's on the mirror, but why would he be writing Maria's on the mirror?
[UNKNOWN]: I don't know.
[UNKNOWN]: That is, hmm, interesting.
[UNKNOWN]: because Mario doesn't have anything to do with ninky per se.
[UNKNOWN]: No.
[UNKNOWN]: I mean, this is why I think, you know, this is almost thought said.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: This is not really, he's just conflating everything.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: Now as I say, I noticed when I did a rewatch this week of the season that I was trying to track the murder attempts.
[UNKNOWN]: And so, in episode one, there's a car with a mojo license plate and a blonde driver where I almost thought like, oh, it's like yard up, but no, he tries to take the band out when they are at that Dracula's daughter hotel opening.
[UNKNOWN]: There's also obviously the Brightmore Coven.
[UNKNOWN]: That's an attempt in that episode too.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah And then Willistad says else where you've all been protected numerous times without being made aware of it And Daniel though he references the two other attempts before the Garrett weeding Garret to wielding Coven on this tour So there's the car thing and then another one.
[UNKNOWN]: I can't think of what it is if any do you have any idea or any list?
[UNKNOWN]: No, I don't know.
[UNKNOWN]: I don't know
[UNKNOWN]: And then it's interesting, the murder attempt this time, it's not even like the vampires are pissed because he's flaunting his vampire nature openly, but this was a human guy who shot him in Philadelphia to prove it.
[UNKNOWN]: He's reasonably afraid, right?
[UNKNOWN]: Like the great conversion is happening and he's like no one's listening to me.
[UNKNOWN]: And this is one of those conspiracy theories that ends up being true.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, so he shoots him to prove that he can't die that way.
[UNKNOWN]: But Christina gets caught in the crossfire.
[UNKNOWN]: Come on.
[UNKNOWN]: Not Kristy.
[UNKNOWN]: I think she's fine now.
[UNKNOWN]: She's seen that she's got like grades in the shoulder.
[UNKNOWN]: No, Dr. Furried.
[UNKNOWN]: Luckily, they have their own, like, tour doctor.
[UNKNOWN]: So...
[UNKNOWN]: Right, exactly.
[UNKNOWN]: But let's start to danger to those around him.
[UNKNOWN]: This just proves it.
[UNKNOWN]: Yes, he is.
[UNKNOWN]: So we've got, you said this acoustic ballad he was writing?
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, I really liked it.
[UNKNOWN]: I hope that we hear a more finished version later on, but it was definitely about his mom and her teaching him how to kiss, which is right up.
[UNKNOWN]: I hate it.
[UNKNOWN]: But it's enough.
[UNKNOWN]: But I'm tired of clicking the shame button on the soundboard.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, well, what did you think about what what do you think is going on with Gabriela?
[UNKNOWN]: Why is she so invested in him continuing his tour?
[UNKNOWN]: I think she just wanted him to be a little happy although although she's the one who brought up the great conversion, I wonder if she is in on it.
[UNKNOWN]: she thinks that he's helping nudge it along, which he is.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, she doesn't want him to stop now.
[UNKNOWN]: That's what she says.
[UNKNOWN]: And I wonder if it's like, I was like, why would she be so into the great conversion?
[UNKNOWN]: And I wonder if it's just because she is so much happier as a vampire than a human.
[UNKNOWN]: She wants to like minimize humanity, whereas the stat is still very interested in humanity, obviously.
[UNKNOWN]: He's always thrusting himself into humanity,
[UNKNOWN]: and in the book's Gabrielle is separates herself from it.
[UNKNOWN]: Right.
[UNKNOWN]: Now, I think that's right.
[UNKNOWN]: I mean, let's not like play in the savage garden.
[UNKNOWN]: She would like to bird it down.
[UNKNOWN]: Well, she wants to enjoy the savage garden of the earth, I guess, but yeah, not the humanity part of it.
[UNKNOWN]: The chicks upon the surface.
[UNKNOWN]: Right.
[UNKNOWN]: She says she was with the voices.
[UNKNOWN]: stuck with me because there is something called the voice later in the books, but in this case, it seems like she just means all the telepathy tube that's going on with everyone.
[UNKNOWN]: It's Timothy Shalom.
[UNKNOWN]: Are you going to be a vampire next season, you know?
[UNKNOWN]: Why?
[UNKNOWN]: He's using the voice.
[UNKNOWN]: Oh, because of all the treaties.
[UNKNOWN]: Okay, because of do.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, I think it's um,
[UNKNOWN]: I don't know, like I like the idea of the start helping other vampires feel freer to be themselves.
[UNKNOWN]: Despite ignoring the fact that that involves murder, not a fan of that part, you don't have to murder to eat.
[UNKNOWN]: But in this whole idea they are lost and angry and tired of enduring, it's nice that he gives them comfort for that.
[UNKNOWN]: I don't see why she draws this as a parallel with like the eight wolves and him.
[UNKNOWN]: Like she wants him to be a savior to the people and I don't think that's a healthy place to put yourself in being a savior of your peasant filigery or of other vampires.
[UNKNOWN]: Right.
[UNKNOWN]: Now definitely.
[UNKNOWN]: I mean, notably, martyrs usually do not end up well.
[UNKNOWN]: True.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: And we've got all of listouts ghosts around.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, but not Magnus, interestingly.
[UNKNOWN]: Just Nikki, his young self, Louie and Claudia, no Magnus and Sightstill, after that.
[UNKNOWN]: Well, that's why I set his victims in the outline, because I do think that these are all the people he created to keep around him.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, because the, as we said, Louie is obviously not dead, so.
[UNKNOWN]: Right.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, but I think that version of Louie is dead.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, you know that was that's him like human Louis to me basically right, but yeah, he's it's true.
[UNKNOWN]: He did kill human Louis for sure
[UNKNOWN]: And he mocks him here.
[UNKNOWN]: He says, I can't do justice to a Gabriella really said.
[UNKNOWN]: And he paraphrases a more eminent vampire caught up in a similar situation, said, it's difficult to explain how her words disarmed me.
[UNKNOWN]: How efficiently succinct and impenetrable her argument was, well, you had to be there, I guess.
[UNKNOWN]: And what he's referring to there is what Louie said at the stat turned him in episode
[UNKNOWN]: It is difficult to explain how his words disarmed me, how efficiently and succinct and impenetrable his argument was, all of my conceptions, even my guilt, and my wish to die, seemed utterly important.
[UNKNOWN]: And I completely forgot myself in the barbaric sense that surrounded me for the first time in my life I was seen.
[UNKNOWN]: And I think that's like a favorite line for a lot of people.
[UNKNOWN]: It's a lot of a favorite line of mine, you know, when him talking about
[UNKNOWN]: Well, it's also been meamed to death online.
[UNKNOWN]: It's like Louis describing the ice coffee just during the darkness within it, stirred within me.
[UNKNOWN]: Like, you know, there, where, yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: And then we got one new fine, one final new song, nothing to lose about a mean mom, which is, is that Gabriella or Kasha, the ravenous queen?
[UNKNOWN]: I think why not both?
[UNKNOWN]: Why not both?
[UNKNOWN]: This was quite the episode, Alicia.
[UNKNOWN]: Yes, thank you for bearing with me and all of my many Easter eggs.
[UNKNOWN]: No, I enjoyed it.
[UNKNOWN]: That's the reason I started just reading the recap eventually, because I was like, Alicia's gonna have so much to say about these lessons.
[UNKNOWN]: Sorry.
[UNKNOWN]: No, it's all right.
[UNKNOWN]: I was just trying to give you a break.
[UNKNOWN]: I'm sorry that I don't know enough to engage in some of it.
[UNKNOWN]: But I think it's good that you bring the fresher perspective.
[UNKNOWN]: Would you have read the first books?
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, and the listeners are gonna enjoy hearing all the Easter eggs.
[UNKNOWN]: So, um, quick outro because we don't have any more feedback of feedback we write up front.
[UNKNOWN]: There's one more inside the coffin and then it's boiler pipe.
[UNKNOWN]: Okay, yes, one more piece of feedback in the inside the coffin section.
[UNKNOWN]: For now, quick outro, um, I think we're going to keep it pretty quick today because, uh, we've got house of the dragon on the main fee, at least a year, co-hosting that for the first two episodes and then David's going on.
[UNKNOWN]: And also, silo starts this week on Friday, July 3, the first episode drops and that morning or, yeah, depending on what time zone you're in, midnight Pacific time, the episode will drop on the wool shift dust feed breaking down the first episode of the new season of silo.
[UNKNOWN]: very cool.
[UNKNOWN]: I'm really excited to see that.
[UNKNOWN]: I have not watched that episode.
[UNKNOWN]: Well, actually, I don't think I can watch episode yet.
[UNKNOWN]: I don't think I have the screen here.
[UNKNOWN]: So, cool.
[UNKNOWN]: I'm looking at here looking forward to hearing your coverage, too.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, I mean, I'm having fun with it.
[UNKNOWN]: We're going to record an episode right after this, and so it's a good day for me.
[UNKNOWN]: Good way to spend my Sunday.
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[UNKNOWN]: I don't think we have a lot of other stuff going on on that lower-hounds feed right now, except you're doing supergirls soon.
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[UNKNOWN]: I just feel like we need to say that up front.
[UNKNOWN]: Sean and I are supergirl fans, and we're interested in making up our own minds rather than whatever other people are saying about it in various reviews.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, I, you know, it's funny because there was some like really bad review that came out and then somebody was like, everyone, this guy gave project, tell Mary 50 out of 100, just chill out for a minute.
[UNKNOWN]: And okay, and gave happy go more to 80 out of 100.
[UNKNOWN]: Okay, so maybe we don't listen to this person.
[UNKNOWN]: I mean, I used to really like his reviews, but yeah, it just goes a show with him, which is named, I think he's to work for EW, but now he works for variety.
[UNKNOWN]: Anyway, it was a variety version.
[UNKNOWN]: Is it Allen's separate?
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[UNKNOWN]: Okay.
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[UNKNOWN]: You heard Mark?
[UNKNOWN]: last week on his feedback on interview with Vampire, the Vampire will start.
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[UNKNOWN]: And I think we should do a wrap-up, a season wrap-up, but they ended this season with him.
[UNKNOWN]: I volunteered to produce, if you like.
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[UNKNOWN]: Let's do that.
[UNKNOWN]: Because I want to hear more Mark Salatias, great thoughts on this kind of stuff.
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[UNKNOWN]: Inside the coffin, Alicia, we had some feedback to start off with.
[UNKNOWN]: Full book spoilers, by the way.
[UNKNOWN]: Anything that has happened in any Anne-Rice books we can talk about here.
[UNKNOWN]: Yes.
[UNKNOWN]: Karen writes in and says hi guys just had a quick thought to share in your last episode you mentioned in one of the books they described our mom trying to sew Claudia's head onto an adult body and how disturbing that was.
[UNKNOWN]: Interestingly, this was the premise behind a super popular kids book series that has since been made into a movie and even a musical.
[UNKNOWN]: Dogman starts with a duck cop and his dog who are caught in an explosion.
[UNKNOWN]: At the hospital
[UNKNOWN]: of talking and no one thinks this is super creepy just at the share looking forward to the next pod.
[UNKNOWN]: Jesus, I want to put the quote, let's not, oh Christ Christ, and she writes her name spelled C-A-R-Y-N and says not that K-A-R-E-N, which I'll say in defense of K-E-R, K-A-R-E-Ns, the only Karen's I know in my life have been delightful.
[UNKNOWN]: So is this Karen?
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, that's fair in my life too.
[UNKNOWN]: Um, yeah, this dogman thing, this is something that I've seen going by, but I didn't really pay attention to it because I just thought, you know, it's not for me.
[UNKNOWN]: And for too young of kids, so it's crazy to know that it's, yeah, it's for kids and it's a wild Frankenstein premise.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, that is a wild time.
[UNKNOWN]: I don't think my daughter has asked me for any media like that.
[UNKNOWN]: And I'm going to be fine.
[UNKNOWN]: It's never too young to go golf.
[UNKNOWN]: So, yeah, just to pick up on some of the threads that we teased earlier, one is like, in the...
[UNKNOWN]: Laura Bomm from Corey last time who's saying talking about you know how the great conversion is spreading the vampire blood to thin and so this humble spirit that has attached itself to Akasha thereby creating the vampire species that you know he's like we got a destroy some vampires and so what we were kind of trying to question was
[UNKNOWN]: Does it tell a mask us somehow know about this earlier than they would in the books and would they be intentionally trying to stretch the vampire population to cause this to happen?
[UNKNOWN]: What do you think?
[UNKNOWN]: That is really interesting.
[UNKNOWN]: I think that's possible.
[UNKNOWN]: I think that's very possible.
[UNKNOWN]: I also think maybe they want to awake a caution to see what that does to the power balance.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, it was also interesting that when Gabrielle is talking about being with the voices, the voice, in the books, in the latter books, is Amel.
[UNKNOWN]: So that's another thing.
[UNKNOWN]: I'm like, what's going, I feel like there's going to be some point at the end of the season, the curtain lift date, and we're going to see all sorts of stuff that been going on behind the scenes that let's start to know about.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, and of course we have our dear departed uncle Marius.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, so it's in the book when he and Gabriela leave our mind.
[UNKNOWN]: They actually decide they have this idea for whatever reason I forget, the that Marius is still alive and so they go looking for him.
[UNKNOWN]: And I wonder if that's what's going on, but they're not saying it, that they're because that would be the reason why they're in Italy looking for Marius and then when that guy who recognizes her walks up,
[UNKNOWN]: Gabriela says, oh, look, Maria's approach is as a joke.
[UNKNOWN]: We said, yeah, maybe they were actually there looking for Maria's like in the books.
[UNKNOWN]: I think that's probably right.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, I think they're going to connect that at some point.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: And there is also Lestat makes an off hand comment to leave me in the clearing, leave me to the day.
[UNKNOWN]: I need some book readers to weigh in here because I haven't gotten in my reread yet to Merrick the seventh book, but in there is a thing where we, something we actually saw last season pretty much where Louis
[UNKNOWN]: basically tries to commit suicide by going into the daylight and turning into a crispy cream.
[UNKNOWN]: And so I'm like, it's tickling my brain.
[UNKNOWN]: Did he leave behind a note like this?
[UNKNOWN]: Leave me in the clearing, leave me to the day, or is there another character who had another point did this?
[UNKNOWN]: And I'm sorry, I-
[UNKNOWN]: could not find if this is like a direct reference to anything.
[UNKNOWN]: So I think it could be a reference to Louis trying to commit suicide at that point, which is it's basically the reason he commits suicide is because it's after they've got America's a witch and they get her help to do a sayons and contact Claudia or maybe it's someone an evil spirit pretending to be Claudia who says really
[UNKNOWN]: He just snaps.
[UNKNOWN]: So, yeah, I don't know if this is a reference to that or something else, but I just wanted to shout it out.
[UNKNOWN]: But speaking of Regina, someone pointed out that there's a shot from a trailer of Regina Waitress who looks very similar to Claudia, but different, so maybe that's actually like, list dots, point of view of her.
[UNKNOWN]: And then she's not actually the
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, interesting.
[UNKNOWN]: But since I brought up the rose thing earlier from Prince Listot just to quickly clarify what that's about, it is a young woman who Listot actually adopts her and then ends up he's like, I'm a vampire, I'm a terrible dad and ends up like putting her with this couple.
[UNKNOWN]: But she gets into a series of troubles that reminded me of, you know, the things that Louis was
[UNKNOWN]: who really is awful to her like she all right I'm forgetting the details again but she basically tries to get away from him because he starts like being too creepy stalkery and then he ends up kind of like kidnapping her and like poisoning her and putting acid on her is something horrible so this is why like Louie please tell me Louie's not going that direction this season oh my god
[UNKNOWN]: It's kind of his turn.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: Let's punish his reputation now.
[UNKNOWN]: One other thing we haven't brought up while we're talking about the stuff is I don't think we've pointed out in the whole poster discussion.
[UNKNOWN]: I don't think we've talked about Alex as poster yet.
[UNKNOWN]: I don't know if you want to Google Alex as poster real quick and look more closely at his eyes and his especially his nails.
[UNKNOWN]: All right, well, so it happens.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: And then, yeah, just since the freed backstory came up this episode, it's just I keep thinking about in an interview and I forget which one because I consume so many interviews of the last week, but in one of them.
[UNKNOWN]: quote unquote saved episode seven and he's like oh no that's too much but I guess I did suggest a character that they should a character from the books that they should pull into the show to like bring the story together when Roland was trying to figure out how to like put a bow in the season.
[UNKNOWN]: And so I've been thinking what could the character be?
[UNKNOWN]: And since we got some free back story,
[UNKNOWN]: the Queen of the Damned has a son, both biological son and she turned him into a vampire way back in the day, named Seth.
[UNKNOWN]: And he does not have a good relationship with his mother, but he is Farid's partner in the books.
[UNKNOWN]: They like our science, not bros because it's romantic, but one other option that I think of that also could show up with Akasha because she's from the same time is a character named Severine, who Gabriella ends up with.
[UNKNOWN]: So I'm wondering, could they bring Severine into sort of soft
[UNKNOWN]: I hope that they lure her away at some point because I just can't keep watching this part.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, but what did you think of, so now you finally gotten your taste of Devil's minion?
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, all right.
[UNKNOWN]: I'll ship them.
[UNKNOWN]: They have a nice toxic relationship, Fizzle show.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, yeah, it's an enemy's to love her ship, so you were seeing obviously the enemy's part, but getting the suggestion of the latter.
[UNKNOWN]: Remember the Alice thing that I brought up that some people think that Alice is actually our man, but our man is made remember someone different, I have to say the stuff they said this episode did not disprove it to me.
[UNKNOWN]: And part of me wonders and I'm sure it's me being conspiratorial, but I'm like, are his daughters even real?
[UNKNOWN]: Oh, no, that would be awful.
[UNKNOWN]: That would be really the worst thing our mom never did.
[UNKNOWN]: If he made somebody think they- Have fake daughters.
[UNKNOWN]: Mm-hmm.
[UNKNOWN]: I don't know.
[UNKNOWN]: But our mom, yeah, you want to apologize.
[UNKNOWN]: Like, when he's not, that we didn't get to hear the end of, he was apologizing most of all for something 52 years ago, which is obviously San Francisco.
[UNKNOWN]: what happened then and what happened during the blackout years at night ridder and yeah we got to talk about this enough during the main episode there's not really much more to say but it's just we'll all point out the screen and we'll all have a delightful time now yeah i still i still think this version of Daniel's probably gonna die but we'll say probably but i'm excited to see how it happens yeah yeah me too yeah
[UNKNOWN]: Alicia, thank you for another lovely inside the coffin segment.
[UNKNOWN]: I think the book readers at home are salivating from the future.
[UNKNOWN]: Can't wait to watch the next episode.
[UNKNOWN]: Alright, and as per our tradition, let's close with some listot.
[UNKNOWN]: I bet.
[UNKNOWN]: I bet!