[SPEAKER_02]: What's up, everyone?
[SPEAKER_02]: Welcome back to the Crypto Mavix.
[SPEAKER_02]: You know, me Joe Brian and long time friend of the pod.
[SPEAKER_02]: Reoccurring for a guy.
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't know how many times now.
[SPEAKER_02]: Matt's going to welcome back to the pod.
[SPEAKER_02]: Hey, everybody, have a good day.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, get to see you.
[SPEAKER_02]: Before we start it recording, we just made a comment, like man, you look great, man.
[SPEAKER_02]: You look great.
[SPEAKER_00]: Hey, I'm going back to Vegas for some release, so I want to be out at the pool for most of the time, so I want to be like, you know, feeling myself out there.
[SPEAKER_00]: So, um, you know, got to get a shake when I enjoyed myself, um, I'm going to be out there July 9 to the 11th.
[SPEAKER_02]: So bummed I can't, you know I'm there every now and come on, you know, you know why I can't App up my babies do on July 11.
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, okay.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, do not do not Hey, but hey, here's a good news done ducks and dates July 8th so I got about three days I could I could bring that baby down there if you need man
[SPEAKER_00]: Man, this first time on a miss it actually since inception of summer league, I'm so bummed and any cool things happening is there, yeah, we're going back to shoot 360's we're going to have four basketball coaches with all their crazy wild futuristic equipment and
[SPEAKER_00]: We're going to go to this place Blondies, which is like a barren restaurant shout out to Pauli.
[SPEAKER_00]: He is going to be doing some like live podcasting stuff there.
[SPEAKER_00]: And we'll have food and drinks for any collectors I want to show up and hang out.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think we might get some crypto slab stuff going on there.
[SPEAKER_00]: Got my iverson crypto slab here, never too far away.
[SPEAKER_00]: But yeah, it'll be fun.
[SPEAKER_00]: And we'll probably throw like a pool part of your something earlier.
[SPEAKER_00]: One of those days, and of course, go to the games and see some type answer versus some booser action and all that good stuff.
[SPEAKER_00]: So yeah, that's probably the fun time.
[SPEAKER_02]: Brian, you got to go might be half.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's company company expense.
[SPEAKER_02]: You got to go.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, it's okay, it's on me, man.
[SPEAKER_01]: Drinks on me.
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, the expense will expenses intro and I train to the World Series of Poker.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, that would be epic.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think that's all of our, all of our dream and some fashion.
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, I played last year.
[SPEAKER_01]: I played in the main event in the main event.
[SPEAKER_00]: The, I did the mid-mean.
[SPEAKER_00]: So it was like the 3K by and not the 10K by and, and I made it to the last hour of day one.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I ran a flopped set into a river street.
[SPEAKER_00]: And that was the advantage for it.
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh no, I shoved on the flop and this dude called me with like Insta, like four six offsuit and he had like the four five.
[SPEAKER_00]: He just had me covered by so much at that point that I was trying to double up.
[SPEAKER_00]: I was I was short stack at the table and he was the big stack and and he hit runner runner straight, which always run a runner.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, he even had like he was
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh man, that is tough.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's uh, I remember back in the day they probably still do it, but they used to have like a table like outside of it like outside the main event like tells about your worst bad beats and I remember a guy like Oh man, he lost a he lost a quads to a he lost a quads to a quads to a royal straight flush or something.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, I have stories for days on that, but uh,
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it's all, it's all a good fun.
[SPEAKER_00]: I can't wait to get back out to Vegas.
[SPEAKER_00]: Probably we'll be playing this year again, just laying by pool.
[SPEAKER_01]: What are you looking for?
[SPEAKER_01]: This is, I'm going off away from NBA top shot and everything really quickly, but we're talking a little poker.
[SPEAKER_01]: What are you thinking about some of these decentralized poker platforms that we've been seeing like pop up?
[SPEAKER_01]: I've always found them interesting because
[SPEAKER_01]: Vistentialized version of the poker and the algorithms and people at Doc and Time was always a little bit of a concern, but we all like to play, but I think that could be some interesting moves there.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, yeah, it's interesting.
[SPEAKER_00]: I did hear about one.
[SPEAKER_00]: It was either, was it called race or race program?
[SPEAKER_00]: like most people did, maybe on block, I'm see what he's talking about these days.
[SPEAKER_00]: He's I will say that he is always on the cutting edge of what's going on in the space.
[SPEAKER_00]: He knows exactly what's coming, so I will give him his flowers there.
[SPEAKER_00]: I probably stopped because he was just like beating my product up probably.
[SPEAKER_00]: if I have to remember what was going on at the time, but, you know, the decentralized is the way forward.
[SPEAKER_00]: We're going to see more and more of it.
[SPEAKER_00]: And, you know, shout out to my friends, the vloggers that do the spoiled banana society, fantasy football, basketball, league.
[SPEAKER_00]: I've been playing in it for years now.
[SPEAKER_00]: And, you know, they do this awesome thing where they were on a theorem.
[SPEAKER_00]: would be on Ethereum and the price pool would be in Ethereum.
[SPEAKER_00]: So if Ethereum went up the price pool increased during the season, which was super cool.
[SPEAKER_00]: But the best part about it is they don't move to base.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's going to be a much more stable price pool.
[SPEAKER_00]: We don't have to worry about the craziness of the market going up and down.
[SPEAKER_00]: But every team you draft,
[SPEAKER_00]: Is it's own NFT that you can sell and trade on open sea or any market?
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, so if you're just absolutely smashing halfway through the year because injuries and everything and people, that's yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: So what is it called to spoiled bananas aside?
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, Shut up, we're clogging somebody else, but I like it.
[SPEAKER_00]: spoiled the status of society.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, one of my favorite best ball formats because the way it works and we're so off topic, but we're having fun here.
[SPEAKER_00]: The way it works is you pick based on the team.
[SPEAKER_00]: So like you get QB, you know, QB1 and so you get the QB of, you know, the team.
[SPEAKER_00]: So it doesn't matter whether the starter plays, or if the starter is injured, whoever gets the most stats from any game will be QV1.
[SPEAKER_00]: And then with running backs of my receivers, so if you get Y receiver 1, Y receiver 2, the way it works is, it's not like, hey, if you get Y receiver 1 of the Eagles, you're not guaranteed to get them on the Smith stats.
[SPEAKER_00]: It whoever has the best stats on the team that week.
[SPEAKER_00]: So you are getting a good spot on that team.
[SPEAKER_00]: So it's really cool.
[SPEAKER_00]: They did a really great job of circumventing,
[SPEAKER_00]: And I am a player in the licensing and they just use the city names and shout out to those guys.
[SPEAKER_00]: They've been busing their S on that for years and one of my favorite leagues to play in every year.
[SPEAKER_01]: This is interesting.
[SPEAKER_01]: I actually just looked them up and I played this.
[SPEAKER_01]: I had it.
[SPEAKER_01]: They had it.
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't recall if we were being able to sell my NFT or anything.
[SPEAKER_01]: But I remember they would generate an NFT card.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and you can go, yeah, it's on to open so you can go on and you can buy and
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, you could trade, obviously, if you had, if you noticed somebody well enough, but I guess you can do trades on open scene now.
[SPEAKER_00]: So yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, you could offer it up.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, that's that's super cool.
[SPEAKER_01]: Man, and that's interesting because as you know, with what you do your business and you know, I've talked about my back on the draft Kings and we both have worked with our fair share of like player associations and leagues and you don't realize how in the weeds a lot of those.
[SPEAKER_01]: A lot of IP is and how protective it is for a lot of people.
[SPEAKER_01]: So it's an interesting way to circumvent it just be like silly.
[SPEAKER_01]: to be one you're not exactly jailing hurts or anything because if you did that then you know the P.A.
[SPEAKER_00]: is all over you and hundred percent yeah you know all the all the troubles there yeah Josh just said they're like how did I let it go so far off the rails?
[SPEAKER_00]: No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I'm like setting up my line up for this year, you know, I know, I could talk about anything, but there is a ton of topics to talk about for Dapper, let's start off with, um,
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, let's start off from top of my head, I guess, because I didn't write, we don't write a genders for Matt.
[SPEAKER_02]: We just go off the cuff here.
[SPEAKER_02]: You see, I'm wearing everything, boundaries, welcome to Bahá'á'la.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm a huge fan of the WMBA.
[SPEAKER_02]: And yeah, let's start things off with, I want to say that elephant in the room, but last year you guys,
[SPEAKER_02]: I was say absorbed on the moment developer and we see that was stats on a website, a big shoot just dropped floaty is shutting down they offer sub $1 listings, but immediately like a week afterwards, I'm like, oh, you could sell moments for under $1 on top shot.
[SPEAKER_02]: So yeah, tell us what happened there.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, so, you know, unfortunate, definitely a stalwart of the community, just like on the moment, just like, you know, moment ranks, just like, you know, all these, all these that have come and gone.
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, to some degree, it was important that we have these other ecosystems and other market places because flow and dapper is, you know, more than just, you know,
[SPEAKER_00]: NBA top shot and and and you know WMBA and NFL and and Disney you know Floody had a lot of other projects that other marketplaces don't have And our marketplaces don't have and so you know, I think it served a really important purpose in that regard
[SPEAKER_00]: And, you know, obviously they had the sub-dollar listings, that was something that made them unique and something that we didn't want to step on the toes of, and with them shutting down.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like, it was an option we always had.
[SPEAKER_00]: As you saw, like we flipped the switch.
[SPEAKER_00]: And so, you know, we didn't do it until we knew that they,
[SPEAKER_00]: We're shutting down and then we're like, all right, let's let's get it up there.
[SPEAKER_00]: We added a tab in the marketplace called the bargain bin The genesis of that idea is actually pretty pretty funny So we put an announcement that we're gonna be pushing the sub one dollar so if people want to go in and remove open offers and and whatever They want to do just you know giving people heads up and
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, one of our great collectors reached out to me and was like, hey, like, it's not going to be great for people to come to the marketplace and see all these sub-dollar listings on the main marketplace.
[SPEAKER_00]: You don't want to see, you know, a sub-dollar moment next to an ultimate.
[SPEAKER_00]: And so,
[SPEAKER_00]: me in this collector went back and forth for like 30, 40 minutes and, you know, he charged my memory of, you know, when I used to go to card stores and I still got a card shows and they have these boxes that they call the bargain bin.
[SPEAKER_00]: Every every brick and mortar card shop in the world has this.
[SPEAKER_00]: Where you can find bulk or whatever.
[SPEAKER_00]: I've go into my local card shop still and I'll grab 50, 60 Sixers or or Philly's or or players that I root for so I'll yeah I'll grab dark dark dark cards if I see them and Luca and you know Caitlin Clark and
[SPEAKER_00]: you know, just grab in the comments wherever I can.
[SPEAKER_00]: And so it sparked an idea like, hey, why don't we just have that here?
[SPEAKER_00]: People are going to want to complete these sets.
[SPEAKER_00]: People are going to want to grab these moments.
[SPEAKER_00]: Let's just make it easy place for them to go and and grab all of that.
[SPEAKER_00]: And so that, you know, that was one of those things that shout out to our engineering team, they figured it out instantly.
[SPEAKER_00]: And we had it able to go live with with that change, but yeah, you know, we don't have a loan system.
[SPEAKER_00]: Floating had a great loan system.
[SPEAKER_00]: I know a lot of people like that system.
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know if we're going to be able to do a loan system in the way that they did.
[SPEAKER_00]: That gets somewhat dicey for a few reasons.
[SPEAKER_00]: But, you know, we're always looking at the things that collectors like and love and bringing them into the product.
[SPEAKER_00]: And having Neil from one of the moment come in has just been so huge for us because he's been able to get all those cool features and analytics and stuff that people
[SPEAKER_00]: went to own the moment for years and love and he's got you built it all.
[SPEAKER_00]: So it's just really great to have him on the team and the way that he approaches anything that comes up is just like so refreshing in the sense that like
[SPEAKER_00]: he's already built these things, and now he has to rebuild it within our systems, and it's just like he's just able to like instantaneously, now that he knows our systems out, it will work here, okay, we can do this, okay, this will work here, and I just I love that about him, he, you know, he's never like, we can't do this, he's always like, yep, yeah, we can do that, let's do it this way, so I think you'll be seeing more and more
[SPEAKER_00]: features come again.
[SPEAKER_00]: I know that we are very close on shipping one one click set buying.
[SPEAKER_00]: So if you're missing like 14 moments in a set you can hit one button by the rest of the set.
[SPEAKER_00]: You know both listings, bulk deal listing, you know stuff that's really going to make the user experience a lot more enjoyable and a lot less time consuming.
[SPEAKER_00]: So you can do a lot of the other fun things we have on the site now like you know this crazy road to the ring play us thing that we put out where people are gaining points and redeeming for you know game balls and and game We're in memorabilia and moments and packs and and all that stuff and so you know all these things fit together and
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, when there is a partner that has features, sometimes we'll get our own version of it, but a lot of times we let them stand on their own until they're no longer standing and then we have to bring them in.
[SPEAKER_00]: So we have them because we know collectors want those features.
[SPEAKER_00]: So, you know, to some degree, it's, hey, there's a need for this.
[SPEAKER_00]: Let's get it on our prior dock.
[SPEAKER_00]: And let's see how quickly we can get it out to the community who is missing it.
[SPEAKER_02]: Awesome, yeah, love integration, Bargainman story.
[SPEAKER_02]: It was just stay on this topic just for one more second.
[SPEAKER_02]: It just felt was a little bit sad when Floaty went away and then at the same time, outside of your control, obviously, the ecosystem had a, what is it?
[SPEAKER_02]: A divesting of a product, or at least for it temporarily.
[SPEAKER_02]: But on the bright side, it seems like more resources could fund on a top shop.
[SPEAKER_02]: Is that going to happen?
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know about 10x, but yeah, I mean, everybody is, everybody is working on Disney Pinnacle and NBA Topshot right now.
[SPEAKER_00]: Day and night.
[SPEAKER_00]: The our engineering team is just like I've been in meetings with them all day every day for the last like week and they are just cooking and cooking and cooking and cooking so there's a lot of good stuff coming and yeah you're gonna see a lot more features being shipped because there's so much focus now on just two products and the the other big thing is
[SPEAKER_00]: has never been updated since 2020.
[SPEAKER_00]: And at this point it's a rat's nest.
[SPEAKER_00]: It is like it is like when you're in college and you had like 30 cords in your room and and every one of them was tangled and you couldn't untangle them.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like
[SPEAKER_00]: With the amount of different engineers we've had over the years and the amount of different things that we've done one off band days on it's just like impossible to parse and so the team has basically rebuilt the entire back end of the product so we are going to be able to ship features faster than we ever have before.
[SPEAKER_00]: and not just that.
[SPEAKER_00]: If we ship something on Disney, it can go right to NBA and vice versa.
[SPEAKER_00]: So we no longer have to build for each product separately.
[SPEAKER_00]: Everything we build will go across all products, which is just a paradigm shift in how we're building our product.
[SPEAKER_00]: And it's going to lead to more features, faster shipping, faster changes, easier pivots.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's going to be good for everybody involved.
[SPEAKER_02]: amazing stuff.
[SPEAKER_02]: You saw me flash up the desktop.
[SPEAKER_02]: I got a little hit on myself because I just want to show Brian what they're offering these days and Brian, you know, instead of betting on sports, you can you could come do some activity here with some game balls.
[SPEAKER_00]: Tell us how this happened.
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, I just I just like in the mind.
[SPEAKER_00]: I just ranked up to all NBA.
[SPEAKER_00]: I just just passed 50,000 points.
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, sweet.
[SPEAKER_02]: Pass on points to me, but yeah, you got to go if you want to talk about this.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, if you go complete the top shot this play offset the 25 moments set and you lock it, you'll get 20,000 points delivered.
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, I missed that.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, this is really cool.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's really cool to see people talking about this and you know how you guys are going to evolve on it or is it going to stop after the playoffs.
[SPEAKER_00]: So we are approved to June 26th.
[SPEAKER_00]: We're going to see if we can get that extended to make sure everybody has a chance to get their points out and use them on cool stuff.
[SPEAKER_00]: But we reached out to some of the bees.
[SPEAKER_00]: We found out they had some game balls at their inventory and we reached out and we bought 48 game balls.
[SPEAKER_00]: Um, these are balls that were used for a game, whole game, actual game, um, during the season.
[SPEAKER_00]: So, you know, for guys, tenor wolves, that ball was handled by Anthony Edwards, and, and Ace Bailey, and, you know, whoever else is on the court that night, um, and you can look up the games, um,
[SPEAKER_00]: and there's you know there's a ton of the game balls uh somebody bought the nicks for a spucks one already um and horned Celtics a con con nipple ball um and a few others have been bought but there's still a whole bunch left um there's some really amazing lebron moments in there there's some really amazing game more and
[SPEAKER_00]: materials, we'll probably have tickets in the future.
[SPEAKER_00]: This is something we definitely want to continue.
[SPEAKER_00]: And, you know, we were working with the league and sharing the data and they are very
[SPEAKER_00]: encouraged by what they're seeing, you know, over 20,000 collectors are playing this game during the playoffs, which is amazing to say a number like that, you know, with NBA top shot in in 2026, but yeah, 20,000, let's say 20,248 people are ranked the Milita board within the game.
[SPEAKER_00]: which means they have taken some sort of action within the product during that time.
[SPEAKER_00]: But, you know, we're working on the rank benefits, what it's going to be in the future, and really make this into a full-on video game progression system, where you can earn achievements, and you can get badges in your profile, and you can make ticks on what's going to happen.
[SPEAKER_02]: And it's like the animation markets.
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, but, yeah, that can continue throughout the entire season.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I do.
[SPEAKER_02]: And loves prediction markets.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, I just got my fix a little bit from the prediction market because we got a big game tonight.
[SPEAKER_01]: I know when the episode is going to air or not, but we got kind of a, it's tonight, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: The game tonight.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, game two.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Got a big game tonight.
[SPEAKER_01]: So I doubled down on San Antonio.
[SPEAKER_01]: We got him at home, kind of everyone's wrong with the next the vibes there.
[SPEAKER_01]: I can't deny it, but I need to catch up to you boys and points.
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, I need to win some of this stuff.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, some great stuff there.
[SPEAKER_02]: Matt, are you who are you waiting for?
[SPEAKER_02]: You're on the East Coast.
[SPEAKER_02]: So.
[SPEAKER_01]: You're in Philadelphia.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I'm a Philly guy.
[SPEAKER_00]: But see, I was just talking to so many about this.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like, here's the thing.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like, the nicks were big in the 70s.
[SPEAKER_00]: The siksters were big in the 80s.
[SPEAKER_00]: The nicks were big in the 90s.
[SPEAKER_00]: The siksters were big in the 2000s.
[SPEAKER_00]: This is really the first time in my lifetime, where the nicks and siksters are both like good enough to make it to the Eastern Conference Finals.
[SPEAKER_00]: But like, we don't really have a rivalry with the next.
[SPEAKER_00]: There's never been like, yeah, we just got smoked by the next 40.
[SPEAKER_00]: But like, we expected to lose to the Celtics.
[SPEAKER_00]: So like, everything was gravy after that.
[SPEAKER_00]: So, you know, I have a lot of friends that are next fans.
[SPEAKER_00]: I went to school in Long Island, have a lot of next fans friends.
[SPEAKER_00]: And so for them, like, I'd be happy for them to, you know, get their first championship since 1973.
[SPEAKER_00]: But the basketball fan in me once went be to do it you have never seen in the history of the MBA a 22-year-old team leader take a team to the NBA finals
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, Braun didn't do it, Jordan didn't do it, Kobe didn't do it, Shaq didn't do it.
[SPEAKER_00]: None of these players did it at 22.
[SPEAKER_00]: Some of them did it, Steph didn't do it.
[SPEAKER_00]: So many of you guys did it at 24, but never 22.
[SPEAKER_00]: And so, like, the fact I'm gonna show them monks.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's why.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: The fact that he has already gotten the spurs to the finals in his third season.
[SPEAKER_00]: And honestly, he barely even played last season due to the DVT.
[SPEAKER_00]: So like,
[SPEAKER_00]: his second full season, he's taken his team to the finals as a 22-year-old.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's just, it's a story that sort of writes itself.
[SPEAKER_00]: And so from that standpoint, as somebody working on a product that's telling stories, we can't lose.
[SPEAKER_00]: Either the next break, this winless streak, that's, you know, what is it?
[SPEAKER_00]: 53 years old, or the spurs win and when it becomes the Arab parent to the Jordan
[SPEAKER_00]: to me it's a win-win and as a neutral I just want a good series.
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't want to sweep I want 6-7 games.
[SPEAKER_00]: I want to just be entertained for the next couple weeks.
[SPEAKER_02]: Hey, I was entertained.
[SPEAKER_02]: I want to watch in the game.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm going to go and record Nick's.
[SPEAKER_02]: I met my wife in New Jersey and we went I used to go to a lot of Nick's games and Brooklyn that's game so let me go wait a year.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's okay.
[SPEAKER_02]: He could wait a year.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh for sure.
[SPEAKER_01]: Do we have a win tonight at least guys?
[SPEAKER_01]: Can we just have a win tonight?
[SPEAKER_02]: That's right.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm sorry, right.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: Tonight works.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: Fox will come back.
[SPEAKER_02]: You know, Dylan Harper might get more minutes.
[SPEAKER_02]: But as a West Coast fan, let me tell you, Golden State Warriors are depressed because we're like, we're not getting past OKC and Spurs any time soon.
[SPEAKER_02]: No matter what we do.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: Those teams are tough.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I don't know.
[SPEAKER_00]: I could see Lebron going and giving it a shot with Steph and Jimmy and Dre and Christach for Zingus and maybe some good young guys on the bench, but I don't even know if that's enough to take down okay see or or San Antonio, but we'll say I mean the linkers are also going to be back with a healthy Luca presumably so we'll see what happens there.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's right.
[SPEAKER_01]: And what brought the free agent this year, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, we haven't got it.
[SPEAKER_01]: We got any insight there on what he's thinking.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's no idea.
[SPEAKER_01]: No idea at all.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't think he's going to retire.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think he's going to give it one more shot.
[SPEAKER_00]: But like LeBron is not going to take pennies on the dollar.
[SPEAKER_00]: So he's likely not going to go to a team that's already loaded.
[SPEAKER_00]: So it'll be interesting to see what he wants up to it.
[SPEAKER_00]: He might weigh in, see where Yana's goes, and then just go wherever Yana's goes and give himself a shot that way.
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like in my mind, LeBron has to go in the Eastern Conference if he wants any chance of getting to the finals.
[SPEAKER_00]: Just anyone but the Celtics.
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[SPEAKER_02]: All right.
[SPEAKER_02]: Let's break.
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, we're going to wheel it back into top shot for a little bit, but this is all part of the combo, right?
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, sure.
[SPEAKER_02]: You mentioned some league, which I'm disappointed.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm going to miss out on.
[SPEAKER_02]: You know, community has always been like the biggest thing about top shot for me, whether it be, you know, geolocated or, um,
[SPEAKER_02]: part of a set that you own or the Summer League and in person events.
[SPEAKER_02]: Is there anything that's going to happen, you know, like, whether it be online to bring the community together or, you know, in person events again, that just is there any focus on just how to just bring up the community numbers overall?
[SPEAKER_02]: What's your thoughts on that?
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, so we are
[SPEAKER_00]: going to be at the national again.
[SPEAKER_00]: We definitely want to run some more events.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think our big focus this whole season was like writing the ship stabilizing.
[SPEAKER_00]: Which I think the team did a really good job of this season was just being consistent doing exactly what we said we were going to do.
[SPEAKER_00]: Put out a roadmap, follow the roadmap to a T, get some collector confidence back.
[SPEAKER_00]: are able to get that confidence even higher then we'll start doing a lot more of like all right let's go get a hundred collectors over to a game together let's let's you know get people out to this event in that event um that's definitely on the menu to come back but you know we've just put
[SPEAKER_00]: all of our time and energy into just making sure that this product continues evolving, continues moving forward.
[SPEAKER_00]: And, you know, provides utility and excitement for everything that we're doing.
[SPEAKER_00]: So obviously we're going to Summer League and, you know,
[SPEAKER_00]: We don't have any other major like in-person events planned, but that's not to say, a couple years ago, we talked about the top shot faster, whatever we called it.
[SPEAKER_00]: Nothing like that yet, but I wouldn't rule it out in two-true years.
[SPEAKER_02]: Collective was actually been taken off right like in all fronts Pokemon NBA sports is there any I want to say metrics, but like is onboarding a focus or is it something that is can be measured at all imagine that's something that may be important.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I mean, at the end of the day, like if we're running events like that, we want to see growth and if we're just like going out and getting a bunch of current collectors coming out in terms of metrics, it doesn't move the needle one Iota, which obviously it's tough to spend when you're not getting returned.
[SPEAKER_00]: And so we have to figure out how we can put on it then that not only attracts current collectors, but new collectors as well.
[SPEAKER_00]: something that people want to bring their friends to, something that, you know, we, at the end of the day, we just need people to be excited about the product again to tell their friends, hey, top shots back, he had to come try it again, checking all this stuff they're doing.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's, that's what we're at right now, and that's what we need to see more of.
[SPEAKER_00]: And if we start seeing more of the groundswell there, then it makes sense to put more money into those type of events to increase that.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I didn't necessarily mean events, but one thing that I'm not sure if you guys saw this, but you know, primed at the necklace with the moments moments, and I'm like, man, that's great exposure.
[SPEAKER_02]: If Topshot did, I'm sure you got a lot of feedback on that.
[SPEAKER_02]: Just things like that.
[SPEAKER_00]: Do you know the story behind that?
[SPEAKER_00]: He used to work for Topshot, right?
[SPEAKER_00]: He was the one that did it when we, when he was at Topshot with Gailing Green.
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know if you remember this, 2022 all-star weekend, we had a partnership with Jalen Green and Dave Feldman, who's now doing sports over at Amazon, has this idea for, hey, let's do this necklace, a padazzled necklace and we'll put a phone in there and it had to be a Google Pixel phone, I think, because that was who was part of the NBA at the time and we had the moment playing on it and Jalen Green put it on, this huge necklace and showed it off on camera,
[SPEAKER_00]: and Dwayne Wayne famously called it Queen Bass instead of top shot, which was one of those slam your head into the wall sort of moments.
[SPEAKER_00]: And then Jell and Green went on to miss like seven straight dunks and got knocked out of the dumb contest and it was like, oh, what a failure, blah, blah, blah.
[SPEAKER_00]: Did it again this time?
[SPEAKER_00]: People loved it, but it was cool.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm happy that it was a a big thing because at the end of the day.
[SPEAKER_00]: People were like, oh, wow, was that top shot?
[SPEAKER_00]: Like, that's what they knew is like a basketball video highlight on like a digital necklace like that.
[SPEAKER_00]: And so we got some really good publicity out of something we had nothing to do with, which was great.
[SPEAKER_00]: But we would love to do more stuff like that.
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, I was talking to our friends over at Crypto Slabs and saying, hey, like, this is something that we'd be interested in doing, especially with the players that we have, and I L with that we have partnerships with, like we had with Cooper Flag this year, you know, being able to send him a necklace that has his rookie revelation moment or his rookie debut in it, but just be like a really cool thing.
[SPEAKER_00]: And, you know, these younger kids are going to, yeah, they're going to, these younger kids are super, super into,
[SPEAKER_00]: digital, like I have a five and a three year old, they know how to work in Apple TV.
[SPEAKER_00]: No problem.
[SPEAKER_00]: They know how to work in iPad.
[SPEAKER_00]: No problem.
[SPEAKER_00]: They know how to work a Google home.
[SPEAKER_00]: No problem.
[SPEAKER_00]: When that generation gets disposable income, the floodgates are going to open because they are digital first.
[SPEAKER_00]: They just do it.
[SPEAKER_00]: They consume everything digitally.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I'm still listening.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think I'm grabbing drink.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, go grab some water.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, Brian, I'm not sure if you knew a prime did this for like a maybe like two or three weeks where they gave a playmaker chain of the the game award and it was like diamond and Crested and they had the video on loop and everyone thought is this top shot it turned out to be Amazon obviously, but they stopped doing it.
[SPEAKER_02]: I guess I haven't seen the after games for many of the prime videos, but
[SPEAKER_02]: it was great to see that whether it be top shot or not because I was like, oh, that kind of showcases, you know, like, I want to say the need, but like the excitement of a moment like that.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I mean, we see it with like Logan Paul, wearing the illustrator, the illustrator around his neck or what's his name from the apprentice wearing the Kevin O'Leary wearing, that one, yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, the logo, man, the triple logo, man.
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, that kind of stuff is really interesting to see.
[SPEAKER_00]: People have tried that over the years.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think,
[SPEAKER_00]: digital wearables are going to be a lot more popular.
[SPEAKER_00]: They already are like how many people wear an Apple Watch now?
[SPEAKER_00]: Like, you know, millions.
[SPEAKER_00]: And imagine if you could have a setting where you looked out and it just showed you a random, you know, moment you own or a pin that you own or whatever, you know, it's your collection goes wherever you go.
[SPEAKER_00]: And so
[SPEAKER_00]: you can see behind me.
[SPEAKER_00]: I collect a lot of things.
[SPEAKER_00]: I can't take it anywhere with me and it takes up a lot of space.
[SPEAKER_00]: And this is just the stuff you can see.
[SPEAKER_00]: This is just the stuff that I have on the walls.
[SPEAKER_00]: And digital, I can take my whole collection with me in my phone.
[SPEAKER_00]: I can take it anywhere I go, everywhere I go.
[SPEAKER_00]: And so the next step here, the next level here is how do we make it so that people are showing these things off wherever they go, the way they show them off in their house.
[SPEAKER_00]: And once we figure out that next step, I think things are going to break open for the whole everybody.
[SPEAKER_00]: Whether it's Penini, whether it's us, whether it's tops, whether it's board-apes, whether there's Pudgy penguins, what you name, chromy swiggles, whatever you name it, people are going to be walking around showing them off in whatever this new spectacular way is.
[SPEAKER_00]: It doesn't exist yet, but when it does, it's going to change the entire digital collectible economy.
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, we can start with you.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm going to make a shout out to your roll ham here.
[SPEAKER_02]: Just get mad at diamond and trusted moment to wear an all-podcast interviews.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: Please.
[SPEAKER_00]: Hey, Rose, listen.
[SPEAKER_00]: Let's do it.
[SPEAKER_00]: Actually, I actually talked to crypto slabs without getting getting a necklace that I could wear with with moments like he he makes like one off Some there's this guy Oki kid who's in Oklahoma City and he got a necklace made from crypto slabs with an SGA moment in it and word to the game One of the playoff games against the spurs and like everyone was asking about it and so like just doing that type of stuff is like the best kind of marketing that we could do
[SPEAKER_00]: traditional marketing is just not going to get it done with this generation.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like we have to do a lot more gorilla marketing.
[SPEAKER_00]: So like, you know, I'm working with him on like, you know, all sorts of potential ideas.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like I threw an idea at them like, hey, like this progression system, like this road to the ring, what if each time you get to a new level, you get like the equivalent of like a YouTube play button.
[SPEAKER_00]: And each time you get higher, you get like a better, like, hey, gold, gold plated crypto slab, metal crypto slab, diamond crypto slab, whatever, like I think stuff like that could be a lot of fun and you know, helps people show off their fandom in their collection.
[SPEAKER_02]: Dude, I love the gorilla marketing thing.
[SPEAKER_02]: I have an idea for you.
[SPEAKER_02]: Bring me on as a console.
[SPEAKER_02]: Hey, summer league, every top shot, employee, diamond, fake diamond, and trusted, moment, walking around summer league.
[SPEAKER_02]: Everyone's gonna turn their heads.
[SPEAKER_02]: Everyone's gonna see what moment.
[SPEAKER_02]: And you gotta show up the most expensive one.
[SPEAKER_02]: You know, let the bronze, the Caitlyn Clarks, you know, all the stuff that pumps my bags.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, we're gonna, we're gonna quarter the cube because our co-edian market this summer.
[SPEAKER_02]: that was that would turn my hand like what is that guy wearing and they would kind of like you know relate that back to the prime but like no no it's not prime this top shot this is actually real prime was the fake stuff yeah i mean i would definitely wear it to some really if i had well is there is there a token for this can i get a token exposure to the cornering of this market
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, listen, I don't know what company is going to come up with the thing, but it's going to happen.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like, it has to happen because everything is turning digital.
[SPEAKER_00]: All of these games have, what do they call them, my consumables?
[SPEAKER_00]: Like the, like the different stuff you can put on your character, the, you know, you can put yet these, the shirts, the shirts, the hats, the jerseys, whatever.
[SPEAKER_00]: And so, you know, all that kind of stuff is is going to be big.
[SPEAKER_00]: And so we just got it.
[SPEAKER_00]: We just got to keep on trucking until they're all entering into the market and then who knows what will happen?
[SPEAKER_00]: But you know, it's been clear for years that we were too early to a market that was so far from a Jordan and if we can just Hold out and keep cooking and keep and keep innovating hopefully we're around when that happens
[SPEAKER_02]: Here's an interesting one not take this is what's really happening that mean brands been aware of just recently You know we saw that like you said we were way ahead We still way are way ahead of the the majority and you guys did a great job trying to onboard with a simplest form a credit card right
[SPEAKER_02]: And we're seeing NFT companies or digital as a company's kind of go backwards, you know, where people are launching TCG cards, physical cards, you know, have a penguin pack there, people famously launch physical cards last week.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm not even.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, V friends.
[SPEAKER_02]: Like, has there been any float at all or that just dilute the whole entire top shop of physical cards from top shot has that been floated?
[SPEAKER_00]: has not been floated and I don't think we could compete with with fanatics and tops in that market.
[SPEAKER_00]: We have the digital, digital video, license, we don't have any other license.
[SPEAKER_00]: So yeah, I don't think that's going to happen.
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, these other projects that you named, they own their IPs, so they just needed a partner that helped manufacture and distribute the product.
[SPEAKER_00]: For us, we would need to get approval from the league and the PA, and there's just no way that we would get that because there's already a monopoly on that with the top's
[SPEAKER_00]: All rights for physical NBA and, you know, in the PA cards.
[SPEAKER_00]: Gotcha.
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, let's pivot really quickly to you just had a drop yesterday.
[SPEAKER_02]: I bought a lot of it.
[SPEAKER_02]: That'll be NBA is an on fire.
[SPEAKER_02]: Did an entire league, right?
[SPEAKER_02]: And tell us about who your picks are there.
[SPEAKER_02]: You know what mine is, right?
[SPEAKER_02]: We got Gabby Williams, which is solid and just excited for the season.
[SPEAKER_02]: What's your thoughts overall?
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I mean, I'm on a apologetic about this, but it's all about Caitlyn Clark to me.
[SPEAKER_00]: I had, you know, there are players that I just gravitate to over the years.
[SPEAKER_00]: And, you know, and like just giving it an idea that I'm not always just like the front runner, like who's a big star, like Ben Simmons was my favorite player in the league for years.
[SPEAKER_00]: for good reason.
[SPEAKER_00]: The dude did something every single night that I had never seen before.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's what Caitlyn does.
[SPEAKER_00]: Last night, she nutmegs Ryan Howard while going under the basket and finds a teammate in the pain for a quick easy to.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like she does something every game that I've just never seen happen.
[SPEAKER_00]: And for that to be happening in 2020, six and basketball is pretty special.
[SPEAKER_00]: Which is why like with Wemby, I'm watching him.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm just like,
[SPEAKER_00]: The heavily just do that now everything when he does has been done before just not by somebody his size So like that's what I typically are able to do for WBI I root for the fever for this rookie class Man, these Europeans they have my eye
[SPEAKER_00]: Miles is great, Kiki Rice Betts, easy-fled, all great, but I mean, Giovanna Nojitch, Polina Estier, I don't know how she pronounce her name, Estier, she's probably French.
[SPEAKER_00]: Sorry, I feel like I totally butchered that.
[SPEAKER_00]: And then like I think Abafam is going to be like
[SPEAKER_00]: pretty huge.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think she's still getting used to the game.
[SPEAKER_00]: Obviously second overall pick.
[SPEAKER_00]: So people, you know, definitely thought that about her.
[SPEAKER_00]: But like, then we have a whole bunch of siblings.
[SPEAKER_00]: We have, you know, Omax and sister.
[SPEAKER_00]: We have Jaime Hawkins and sister.
[SPEAKER_00]: We have, there's one more that I'm forgetting.
[SPEAKER_00]: But like it's really cool to like see that all in this rookie class and this rookie class is just dominating all over the place and you know, we're already seeing it like Olivia Miles is up to a $60 floor for her standard rookie debut all right.
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, she crushed us yesterday night.
[SPEAKER_02]: Sorry.
[SPEAKER_02]: She sure did eight, eight, three.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, broke broke Caitlin's a rookie record for most three points in God.
[SPEAKER_02]: She did pick the wrong game against the progress.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's absolutely crushed us.
[SPEAKER_00]: the crazy thing is she had made like two three pointers on the entire season before last
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: Absolutely crazy.
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, yeah, like she she's already showing big numbers like, you know, we have a lot of autographs, uh, Olivia Miles autograph is already up to $300, um, the Marta Suarez is already up to, you know, is up 100.
[SPEAKER_00]: Wait, so that's crazy.
[SPEAKER_00]: It autographs.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh my gosh.
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, they have transcriptions that say like my top shot debut and stuff like that my rookie debut and we did a little extra We added a little bit more to the autographs.
[SPEAKER_00]: They look better on the moments We felt in MBA.
[SPEAKER_00]: They blended it a little too much so on WMBA.
[SPEAKER_00]: We added a little border around the signatures now So you can see that a little bit more clearly.
[SPEAKER_00]: We now have one of one moments on WMBA with throw room throne room
[SPEAKER_00]: We just put out some supernovas from players, you know, former MVP's first career games.
[SPEAKER_00]: We have Skyline moments, which is, you know, one of one for teams.
[SPEAKER_00]: So we put out Toronto and Portland, the first franchise wins are now always going to be on NBA Topshot as a one of one.
[SPEAKER_00]: my dog's going crazy.
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know if you can hear.
[SPEAKER_00]: And so, you know, we've really tried to take the formula from NBA and bring it to WMBA and based on this first drop, people are super into it.
[SPEAKER_00]: And, you know, a lot, a lot more to come on the WMBA front, but, you know, so far so good.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I sure it sure was and I'm showing you the living miles moment now, but hey, I know you love Clay Caitlin Clark, but can we please have the Veronica burden block on Caitlin Clark as a her legendary moment, please?
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm not sure if you saw that it was amazing.
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: They played a real tough.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I'm sure it's on Sam's radar.
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, look at this.
[SPEAKER_00]: You still got it.
[SPEAKER_00]: Let's go.
[SPEAKER_02]: No, we're going to do a first here.
[SPEAKER_02]: We're going to open up some Pacsman.
[SPEAKER_02]: We're going to up some Pacs here.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm going to want some of your luck here, OK?
[SPEAKER_02]: I got five Pacs standards.
[SPEAKER_02]: I got one case and three boxes.
[SPEAKER_02]: So we're not opening them all here.
[SPEAKER_02]: But we're opening up some standards here.
[SPEAKER_02]: All right.
[SPEAKER_00]: And uh, what somebody just wants for look, who just looks at all these for 25 bucks.
[SPEAKER_00]: Isn't that how much they cost on the primary, all right, fine.
[SPEAKER_00]: You know what it is, man.
[SPEAKER_02]: I think the people with the positive for a bonus, you know, they're just, uh, yeah, hey, that was folks works for me, I'll grab it.
[SPEAKER_02]: All right, give me and give me an Aussie foot here.
[SPEAKER_02]: Who else do I want?
[SPEAKER_02]: Is there a Gabby in here?
[SPEAKER_02]: Give me a Gabby, please.
[SPEAKER_02]: Um, oh, tell us about the, uh, what's that, um, a collector's club?
[SPEAKER_02]: Is it collector's club?
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: So it's an out of 99 parallel from the base set.
[SPEAKER_00]: It now makes it so that there is a chase for the base set.
[SPEAKER_00]: And as you guys know in Cardboard, there's like 37 parallels or probably more for the base set.
[SPEAKER_00]: And so we just added one.
[SPEAKER_00]: But adding that one made a big difference.
[SPEAKER_00]: And a lot of people have been collecting the club collections on the NBA side.
[SPEAKER_00]: And we're already seeing the same thing on the WNB side.
[SPEAKER_02]: Sweet.
[SPEAKER_02]: All right.
[SPEAKER_02]: We want to live a mouse hardcore as he fought hardcore.
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, that's how you my friend put a one of one when be jukebox What yeah, yeah, he sold it though.
[SPEAKER_00]: I wanted to buy from what I was like you should keep that thing Yeah, that's a big head like he was a cool cat's pack.
[SPEAKER_02]: She's yeah got some cool cats packs, man But here here we go.
[SPEAKER_02]: How much are we open?
[SPEAKER_02]: Maybe we just open them all.
[SPEAKER_02]: Let's rip it just rip it These are do I Don't know if you have a star rip in her why's it not working?
[SPEAKER_02]: Give me, okay, all right, all right, I don't know what you did.
[SPEAKER_00]: She's okay, I can sell the only watch.
[SPEAKER_02]: So the recipes are based.
[SPEAKER_00]: So we get one, we get one, no, I think that should be another rookie debut in here.
[SPEAKER_02]: Another rookie video.
[SPEAKER_02]: All right, go.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's what I said.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, this was not going to be a baby.
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, if you're like, I'm going to get the hard court.
[SPEAKER_02]: Here we go.
[SPEAKER_00]: All right.
[SPEAKER_00]: Nice and key, nice.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, nice.
[SPEAKER_00]: Our Tiana key, I don't know, Madison key is somebody completely different.
[SPEAKER_00]: What do one more here, how about that?
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, we're going to do more here, we're going to do more here.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I have no, I, you know, I must look and see a little bit part of our crease and I gave that Connecticut sun ticket to a friend.
[SPEAKER_02]: So yeah, I didn't watch her.
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, con day alright.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, did it.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'll accept the race to her or something like that.
[SPEAKER_02]: Oops.
[SPEAKER_02]: Sorry.
[SPEAKER_02]: You know, I'm not going to bore me.
[SPEAKER_02]: I've seen her.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, did it.
[SPEAKER_02]: They trade the right to budget.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: every week and breaks your fun breaks are a lot of fun.
[SPEAKER_02]: So that's going to happen.
[SPEAKER_02]: Is that happening for WNBA too or no?
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, so we'll be happy for WNBA as well.
[SPEAKER_00]: We'll probably start doing the WNBA ones after the WNBA season is over.
[SPEAKER_00]: We still have the final drop coming.
[SPEAKER_00]: All right.
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, Matt, I'll give you last seconds here to, you know, anything we didn't ask, I know we talked about a whole bunch.
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't have questions, but yeah, tell us what anything upcoming that you can share.
[SPEAKER_02]: I know you always drop some alpha.
[SPEAKER_02]: I know you're ready to did.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, well, it's like I feel very good here.
[SPEAKER_01]: Good bit here buying these $25 packs boys just I just had up I'm buying a couple right now.
[SPEAKER_00]: You're playing the well.
[SPEAKER_01]: Me too.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm buying a couple.
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean I'm buying a couple.
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm getting my kids crack them a little bit later.
[SPEAKER_01]: There you go.
[SPEAKER_01]: They love the aspect of that you were talking about your kids and just like they live in the digital age and how fluid they are with all of those things in any time that I have any sort of like something to open online they like bug me about love it and I was like okay they're going to like these so just full disclosure I'm buying a couple right now.
[SPEAKER_01]: I love it.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, so here's the part of the thing I'll leave people with is that top shots more fun, digital collectibles are more fun together.
[SPEAKER_00]: So my plea to all your listeners is stop with the tribalism.
[SPEAKER_00]: We're all in this together.
[SPEAKER_00]: We need to build something great that everybody wants to be a part of and they come in and see a bunch of people fighting and having pissing matches.
[SPEAKER_00]: They're just going to go back out the door and leave.
[SPEAKER_00]: Every single night, I get into bed with my son for bedtime, my five-year-old, and we open one top-shop pack and one Disney pinnacle capsule.
[SPEAKER_00]: And we do it every night.
[SPEAKER_00]: It looks forward to it.
[SPEAKER_00]: And he taps everything.
[SPEAKER_00]: He knows how to do everything.
[SPEAKER_00]: He knows how to swipe around, go to the next moment.
[SPEAKER_00]: all that stuff, and so if you have kids, try it out with them, see the sparkle in their eye.
[SPEAKER_00]: There's just something about this generation.
[SPEAKER_00]: They just get it instantaneously, and that'll be a lot of fun.
[SPEAKER_00]: In terms of Alpha, just be on the lookout for some of those marketplace updates I spoke about coming very soon.
[SPEAKER_02]: Dude, that's awesome.
[SPEAKER_02]: Now I can justify my spend.
[SPEAKER_02]: I didn't think about that.
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, it's it's it's for it's for my son kids It took us I'm not buying spending $2,000 for me.
[SPEAKER_02]: Come on, honey.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it's the entertainment kids.
[SPEAKER_00]: Come on
[SPEAKER_02]: Awesome.
[SPEAKER_02]: Well Matt, it's been great having you on.
[SPEAKER_02]: I look forward to, you know, everything that you talked about upcoming roadmap and we'll definitely keep you honest here and I know and I know people do it in the discord and you are you respond right away.
[SPEAKER_02]: So, you know, thanks for keeping the ship going.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm excited and yeah, we'll catch you back on the next one.
[SPEAKER_02]: We'll have the links if you want to follow Matt down below and have a good day.