[SPEAKER_00]: Welcome on into another episode of the Baseball Insiders.
[SPEAKER_00]: I am Robert Murray, joined here by Emily and very excited to have you here.
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[SPEAKER_00]: There is Terrick Schoubel.
[SPEAKER_00]: There is a bunch of different things.
[SPEAKER_00]: There's even signings happening late into the season here.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So first of all, Terrick school.
[SPEAKER_00]: He's been the guy that's been leading the charge here on this show.
[SPEAKER_00]: We've been talking about him plotting and rightfully so if there's any big name that is that is probably or Megatrated, it's going to be school.
[SPEAKER_00]: And we've connected a bunch of different teams to him.
[SPEAKER_00]: The injury question is kind of lingered over his head and he just threw five scrolls in and he's in a high A appearance.
[SPEAKER_00]: He looked very good.
[SPEAKER_00]: They're very optimistic about what's to come there.
[SPEAKER_00]: And maybe he could return soon, who's kind of dodged it a little bit.
[SPEAKER_00]: But if he does return right away, maybe the next week or so, what does that do for his trade chances, you think?
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, I think that this changes a lot, you know, I think a month ago, the assumption, at least my assumption, was going to be that, you know, his, him having elbow surgery, that decided the deadline direction for Detroit pretty much.
[SPEAKER_01]: It was like, all right, well, if he's missing several months and the team is kind of in this downward spiral like they had been,
[SPEAKER_01]: It's like, well, okay, trading him before he gets to free agency felt very, very likely, more for his sake than anything else.
[SPEAKER_01]: Now, though, it's a completely different conversation.
[SPEAKER_01]: Because it's not just school.
[SPEAKER_01]: Actually, you know, pitching well and rehab start.
[SPEAKER_01]: The tigers are starting to wake up a little bit.
[SPEAKER_01]: So it's like, okay, and it's not just school.
[SPEAKER_01]: You got Casey Mies, you have.
[SPEAKER_01]: Justin Verlander, Kenley Jansson, all those guys, potentially all coming back to Detroit within a week or two of each other.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think changes a ton.
[SPEAKER_01]: So for me, I think that if school will come back within the next week or so, it increases the odds that the tigers are going to try to compete because that was always the plan when this season started, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: And so,
[SPEAKER_01]: When he went down, they were, you know, like I said, on this downward spiral, things are, things are still, you know, trending up for them.
[SPEAKER_01]: They swept the rays.
[SPEAKER_01]: They, I think took two out of three from Seattle, but, you know, if they can hang around like in striking distance over the next month or so, then I think they still, they still try to actually go win this thing, you know, if anything.
[SPEAKER_01]: it probably delays Detroit's decision like a more conservatively on like what exactly they're going to do but I think they I don't know that they were going to make the decision prior to him coming back regardless I think they were always going to try to wait this thing out as long as they could but you know a month ago probably would have put the odds of school being
[SPEAKER_00]: No, I'm right there with you.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think it's still toss up in the next however long here.
[SPEAKER_00]: Next few weeks, next, six weeks, whatever it is, is really going to play it out into exactly how this ends up happening or what ends up happening.
[SPEAKER_00]: And coming into the year, they wanted to keep school.
[SPEAKER_00]: They wanted to have at least one more year where they had him.
[SPEAKER_00]: They had a framer ball that was like the guys that you mentioned in that rotation.
[SPEAKER_00]: They wanted to go out and compete.
[SPEAKER_00]: And something that I've wondered is, last year, they saw how they gave up that big lead that they had in the division.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I wonder if they can end up having that in the back of their minds this year be them like hey you know what maybe maybe we can kind of do the same here if we hold on to school.
[SPEAKER_00]: So there's a bunch of different ways that they can go about it.
[SPEAKER_00]: But I can tell you as a fact, there are plenty of teams circling here.
[SPEAKER_00]: I've had conversations with a bunch of different teams who are eyeing up, already asking, what are you here in on school, like what's he gonna go for, where could he go?
[SPEAKER_00]: Like who's gonna be in?
[SPEAKER_00]: And everyone is just on high alert here.
[SPEAKER_00]: But if the Tigers end up competing here, and as you said, they had the great series against the race where they swapped them, the Mariners, a lot can happen here.
[SPEAKER_00]: So I'm in the 50, 50 camp here with you as well.
[SPEAKER_00]: But the next six weeks are gonna determine everything here for Detroit.
[SPEAKER_00]: But if you had it, okay, I'm gonna put you on the spot, though.
[SPEAKER_00]: Let's say, do you think he's traded?
[SPEAKER_00]: Like, I'll ask you that right now.
[SPEAKER_00]: Do you think he's traded?
[SPEAKER_00]: I'll say yes.
[SPEAKER_01]: OK, well, see, but you have more inside intel than I do.
[SPEAKER_01]: So that's not really fair.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm in no.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm going to say he's not traded because I think that was always going to be the plan as long as they're within shouting distance of a wild card spot.
[SPEAKER_01]: I say he doesn't go anywhere.
[SPEAKER_00]: No, I think that's a very fair prediction like I'm a guy.
[SPEAKER_00]: I want it to have a bold move at the deadline last year We had devours in June, and then nothing really like too too crazy in July But I'm hoping maybe there's some smoke or maybe it's a school or maybe it's somebody else I don't know but for Tiger's fans, I'm hoping they hold on to school because
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, you can have the best picture in the game and try one more time to compete.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's a good thing for them for sure.
[SPEAKER_00]: So we'll sing it.
[SPEAKER_00]: But on a fridge in note here, I cannot believe we actually had a fridge inside of here.
[SPEAKER_00]: Max Kepler, going on a one-year contract for the Arizona Diamondbacks.
[SPEAKER_00]: He's still suspended for PEDs so he cannot necessarily suit up for them.
[SPEAKER_00]: But were you kind of caught off guard by this one?
[SPEAKER_00]: And what do you think of the initial fit here?
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, my first reaction to this is that this kind of, it seems like a very, it's a low risk potentially high reward move for Arizona.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think that to me, this says a lot about where Arizona thinks they are in the standings right now.
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, obviously we know numbers wise, they're what like half a game separates them from, you know, like four other teams in the wildcard race, so like they're right and
[SPEAKER_01]: To me, it says more about kind of how desperate their outfield situation is right now because when you look, I mean, like, Max, 33 years old, he's coming up PD suspension, you know, I don't think that you sign that guy unless you feel like you need another option, basically.
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't think that they're signing him to be a centerpiece nor should they, but, you know, you had Alic Thomas getting DFA,
[SPEAKER_01]: injuries to Jordan Lawler and and Greel, you know, I think the Diamondbacks are clearly not very comfortable with their current outfield mix.
[SPEAKER_01]: So it seems like they're they're kind of trying to shore up some options here.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think, but at the same time, you know, they're not committing any meaningful money or prospects to this.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like it's kind of a fly of veteran flyer.
[SPEAKER_01]: Historically,
[SPEAKER_01]: solid corner out field defense.
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, it's not a bad, you know, guy to have on your roster, but at the same time, I don't think this is an addition that like materially changes Arizona's playoff outlook.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think it's like it's a nice step-signing if it works out, it works out, you know, but if he's the biggest reinforcement or one of the biggest reinforcements that you're counting on,
[SPEAKER_01]: for the second half, that's probably a sign that you need a little bit more help than just one veteran flyer, that's just me.
[SPEAKER_00]: Spot on because yeah, like that sign in caught me off guard.
[SPEAKER_00]: I didn't necessarily expect it.
[SPEAKER_00]: I remember getting them will be trade rumors thing.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm like wait, I didn't even see it.
[SPEAKER_00]: It caught me off guard, but it's a flyer for them and I don't necessarily know how much time is get between now and the deadline where he's actually able to play because obviously the suspension, he's got to wrap up as well.
[SPEAKER_00]: If they can get a small look and see exactly what they have there, maybe that prevents them from having to move a prospect of the deadline.
[SPEAKER_00]: If they end up seeing that he's not what he once was and last year he really struggled.
[SPEAKER_00]: that could be a case where they move on from him and they could then they could also add somebody through a trade.
[SPEAKER_00]: So I don't hate the flyer at all.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think it's a nice move that with some upside, a very little downside because I can't imagine it's going to cost them overly much at all.
[SPEAKER_00]: But I do think my case is going to be
[SPEAKER_00]: active in the in the trade market, bullpen help is something that he said that he wanted I could see them looking for another bad as well.
[SPEAKER_00]: Even if Kepler works, so we'll see but those are two things that I'm definitely watching their fairies on.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, very strict.
[SPEAKER_01]: Good point too about the I think what he's eligible to come back at the end of this month from this suspension, but he would still need a ramp up period too, like he needs like a spring training basically.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's like, I don't know, I don't know how immediate of an impact he's going to make regardless.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it's a, it's a, it's a flyer and shoot, they're going to have basically maybe like a one week window, maybe a two week window and to see what he's like and made against majorly pitching.
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know, that's going to be, it's going to be very interesting.
[SPEAKER_00]: So again, I can't expect much with a sign, I like this, especially with a guy who's got no spring training or just nothing under his belt.
[SPEAKER_00]: But you know what, for the upside for the low price, I can't knock at what,
[SPEAKER_00]: But teams that love to live on the margins here, and they also love spending big, but the San Diego Padres, they're always trying to shuffle the bottom of the roster, kind of reminds me a little bit of how I operate my fantasy football team.
[SPEAKER_00]: But, Ajay Pryler, we've talked about him with Tera School, a lot on his podcast, but that offense needs a lot of help, and they're struggling pretty bad right now.
[SPEAKER_00]: Where do you see them right now?
[SPEAKER_00]: And do you think, or what exactly do you think they could do at the deadline here?
[SPEAKER_01]: So where I am with the Padres, I think you're it's what it's June 8th.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think I understand, you know, the season hasn't been decided yet.
[SPEAKER_01]: However, you're kind of running out of time to keep saying like, oh, our stars, like they'll get it together.
[SPEAKER_01]: They'll eventually start hitting.
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, well you've been saying that all season and this isn't really a new problem, you know, the offense, like you said, it's been underperforming for much of the season and I think, you know, the if I'm just from the outside looking in at the podries, I think they're biggest internal need right now.
[SPEAKER_01]: isn't something that can be acquired at the deadline.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think their biggest need is that they need more production from their core guys, who they have.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I understand like, oh, hoping for internal improvement isn't really a plan.
[SPEAKER_01]: But it kind of is when those guys are guys like Tatees and Jackson Merrill and Mandy Machado, like they're proven guys.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's the nucleus of your roster.
[SPEAKER_01]: Now, all of that being said,
[SPEAKER_01]: I still think they can get out of it.
[SPEAKER_01]: And that is why I think that they will more likely be buyers than sellers at the trade deadline.
[SPEAKER_01]: And like he said, AJ Preller, he loves to to mix it up at during deadline season.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think that he'll definitely be busy.
[SPEAKER_01]: Because this is from roster that's like devoid of talent, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: I just all the names I just mentioned.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like you can't look at a team like that and say like, well, they're they're not going to make any noise.
[SPEAKER_01]: So I think
[SPEAKER_01]: simultaneously, which is terrible.
[SPEAKER_01]: But I mean, they're what last in the league in batting average and run scored.
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know if that's still accurate, but at least it was, you know, a couple days ago, if not, you know, earlier last week.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think that's a lineup wide issue.
[SPEAKER_01]: That is not just a we're one missing piece away from from contending here.
[SPEAKER_01]: So,
[SPEAKER_01]: I think the simplest, like the most direct path forward is going to be internal improvement as far as what I think they should do at the deadline, like I said, I think they're almost guaranteed to buy.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think that their top priority should be a left-handed bat, like a real impact bat.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think they need that.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's where I would start.
[SPEAKER_01]: I would say they could, they could stand to add some starting pitching as well.
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't think the E need to go and get an ace, but get like a number three starter.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think could, could do a lot for that rotation.
[SPEAKER_01]: Maybe a catcher.
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know.
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[SPEAKER_01]: To me, I would prioritize with the left-handed bat that's where I would start and then kind of go from there.
[SPEAKER_01]: But I just think this team is too talented and they're too financially invested into the pieces they already have to like not try to go all in.
[SPEAKER_01]: So that's that's kind of how I see it.
[SPEAKER_00]: No, I'm, again, like, I'm going to sound like a broker record here, but I'm right there with you.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think it's so, like, they, they're a team that I cannot envision a scenario where AJ probably does not go on by.
[SPEAKER_00]: And school, like, I've talked about him a lot, like, probably loves the big fish, but whenever he's made a big move like that, it's always been for someone who's controllable.
[SPEAKER_00]: School is not that.
[SPEAKER_00]: So I don't know if there's going to be a name that's necessarily out there where he's controllable and they can go out and get that player.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like a Christian walker type, that could make some sense.
[SPEAKER_00]: He's signed for next year, could fill that first base void, but if they want catcher, that's a really difficult one here to navigate, because they've tried years past and they've not been able to go out and do that.
[SPEAKER_00]: Obviously, like catching situation, this year's not played out exactly how they wanted it to.
[SPEAKER_00]: I do wonder if Preller could go out and inquire on a guy, let's say, like an Adly Ruchman type.
[SPEAKER_00]: Last year, we were always talking about him being a cell, low kind of candidate, Baltimore did not want to do that.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's at a very nice season this year in Baltimore.
[SPEAKER_00]: They're kind on the edge.
[SPEAKER_00]: My inclination is that Baltimore is going to want to hold on to have the judgment and keep him and make him part of that.
[SPEAKER_00]: that foundation that they have there.
[SPEAKER_00]: But pre-order checks and everybody, and I would not be surprised whatsoever if you ended up checking on Roger.
[SPEAKER_00]: So that's one that I think makes sense.
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't like it.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's just me speculating.
[SPEAKER_00]: I want to make sure before that it gets aggregated.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's not me, like, reporting that, like, they're checking in on something imminent, because that's not the case.
[SPEAKER_00]: But I know how pre-order operates, and I could see them maybe doing that, or trying to do that, get some starting pitching, maybe improve the both end.
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, we're talking about every position at this point,
[SPEAKER_01]: agent prior which which is why we love prolar and well and we know was it I think today or yesterday the red socks have essentially said they're they're making Connor Wong available so I'm like all if you need to catch her but I'm like that doesn't feel like a big enough swing for AJ prolar like he's gonna go for the judgments that's that's that's the kind of move that he would make.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, because they've had such like so many stop gaps behind the plate where he's going to want somebody that fills the void and he would do that other than that, I just don't know who else would be out there.
[SPEAKER_00]: So yeah, I think if if they want to swing big it's a judgment or Boston probably probably a bus different being real and also I want to see that I see this question from MC is biobox and ever going to be willing to wave is no trade clause or is he a Minnesota for good.
[SPEAKER_00]: You want the first crack at this one, do you want me to you take this one?
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, so I'll say I don't think it's impossible, like if especially a team like Atlanta tries to trade for him and he doesn't see a future where Minnesota's going to be able to contend for a championship soon.
[SPEAKER_00]: He's been very loyal.
[SPEAKER_00]: He loves Minnesota.
[SPEAKER_00]: He's got a very affordable contract and he clearly wants to be there even after that deadline fell off that they had last year.
[SPEAKER_00]: They love Buxton and he loves being a Minnesota, but if he views maybe in that last situation or maybe another Contending team where he has a better chance at winning and he's also comfortable there I think that'd be something that he would consider.
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know if this is gonna be in the year for it, but down the line
[SPEAKER_00]: I think that's something he's going to have to consider if he wants to have a legit chance at a matching to the postseason or just like staying in Minnesota and being a one team player for the remainder of his career, which I think is a really cool thing no matter what for the feels very rare.
[SPEAKER_00]: We have one one team players.
[SPEAKER_00]: But yeah, if I was him, I would start considering it, especially with how good Alan looks this year for sure.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, that my, my inclination is to say like I think he is kind of a rare breed in that sense where he's not going to be like a and I don't mean this to to dump on Kyle Tucker, but not just like, yeah, I want to go to the Dodgers and like I don't see Byron bucks in doing that, but I could see him.
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, if it's a situation where and he has been so loyal and typically organizations are going to reward that loyalty as well, where it's like, look, we want to work with you here.
[SPEAKER_01]: If you're going to wave, you know, we want to send you somewhere where you would want to go and again, I think that he wants to be.
[SPEAKER_01]: If you, like you said, wants to be part of something, you know, his window, especially with his injury history, I don't know how long his window is going to be open here, so it maybe would start considering it.
[SPEAKER_00]: No, for sure.
[SPEAKER_00]: And we're going to be talking about him, we're going to be talking about school, and another team I think we're going to be talking about plenty of years, the Chicago White socks.
[SPEAKER_00]: And if you were to ask, if you were to tell me that before the season started out, I've been like, yeah, we're talking about them as hell.
[SPEAKER_00]: they look legit good like they're fun team to watch like they're an absolute ball and Chris guess is he went from saying that they're having a long-term view to okay yeah you know what we're gonna end up like really trying to improve this team this year um if we can continue to contend if your Chris gets what do you try to go out and get to address his roster because they're in an interesting spot to say the least right now
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, first of all, I, this white socks team, like you said, they're so fun.
[SPEAKER_01]: They're young and it's like, I feel like there's zero pressure on them right now.
[SPEAKER_01]: So they're just a really fun team.
[SPEAKER_01]: But I think the answer lies somewhere sort of in the middle ground talking about like only thinking about the future versus only thinking about the present.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think if you're Chris gets, if I'm Chris gets, I am, I am buying, I
[SPEAKER_01]: But like pseudo buying, I would say, only in ways that help me like in 2027 and beyond.
[SPEAKER_01]: So I'm not getting any rentals.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm not interested in that.
[SPEAKER_01]: I, you know, I think the biggest mistake, you know, we're talking about the tigers.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think the biggest mistake here would be treating this the way the tigers did in like 2022 or or even the way the Orioles did.
[SPEAKER_01]: And
[SPEAKER_01]: It would be 24 now, I guess, where, you know, you suddenly convince yourself that you're just like one piece away and I think the white socks are not that, but they are ahead of schedule, you know, and and I think that you have to still have a big picture outlook here, so I'm looking for controllable players, which again are not always super readily available at the deadline, but you know, if I'm just building a dream wish list here, I think.
[SPEAKER_01]: you're looking at like a corner outfielder.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think they could really use some outfield help, but someone with like two to four years of control, someone who's like above average defense, like in the 26 to 29 age rate, I'm thinking in my head, I'm picturing kind of like a Jake Mangum type, but like maybe before he had his little mini breakout here, I think that
[SPEAKER_01]: That that's kind of those are the kind of guys that you need in a depth chart if you're going to be a contender And then I would also be looking at adding like a middle of the rotation starter as well I think they need some pitching help again I don't know that you need to go or you shouldn't go after like a scobal, but I mean if you could go a sort of middle like a number three guy Who's got
[SPEAKER_01]: a couple years of control.
[SPEAKER_01]: And then maybe, maybe bullpen arms too.
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, you can never have too much bullpen health.
[SPEAKER_01]: But I think what I would not do, like I said, is trade prospects or give up anything for rental.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I would not be chasing a superstar right now.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like you don't need to be doing any blockbuster deals.
[SPEAKER_01]: If you're at the White Talks right now.
[SPEAKER_00]: No, and exactly, I don't expect them to go out and do any blockbusters, but the list that you just gave is exactly what I had just had on my list.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think adding a starting picture would be very smart for them, especially now, if they can end up adding somebody, and maybe get an Eric Fetti type audio rotation and move him to a different role on the rotation.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think that'd be very smart for them.
[SPEAKER_00]: But they should have a long-term view because going in on this season like I get it's enticing There's not really like an elite standout team like I know the guardians have been great But still like I don't know if there's a team that's necessarily running away
[SPEAKER_00]: with the American League.
[SPEAKER_00]: So if I was them, I wouldn't go all in, but if you can improve your team now, and for the next couple of years, and also not destroy your firm system, I know that's a lot of ifs there.
[SPEAKER_00]: But still, if they can go out and do that, I think that would be a job well done like Chris gets.
[SPEAKER_00]: Even if they stood pat, like you know what, they may not be the most exciting thing, but sometimes the best trade is one that you don't make.
[SPEAKER_00]: and overpaying especially in this market where there's not really that many clear sellers.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think that couldn't be in a strategy that Chris gets utilizes here for sure.
[SPEAKER_00]: But it's also like we've talked about how the white socks are thinking about adding
[SPEAKER_00]: And then, Jen Hoyer is asked about the trade deadline on his end, and he just throws total call water.
[SPEAKER_00]: He says that it's not right to talk about it right now.
[SPEAKER_00]: That it's not a focus for the organization right now.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's not how you'd necessarily win, like going forward.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like you know what, which I get, like your roster, you're not going to win a world series most likely at the deadline, but still like kind of a weird answer kind of caught me off guard.
[SPEAKER_00]: What would you
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, I was it was kind of jarring to hear it first, but then the one I thought about it.
[SPEAKER_01]: I was like, you know what?
[SPEAKER_01]: I think that he is kind of both right and wrong here.
[SPEAKER_01]: And what I mean about that is it's right from a clubhouse management standpoint for him to say that.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think if your team is, you know, struggling.
[SPEAKER_01]: players do not want to hear that the front office is talking about July acquisitions and all of this, you know, this current iteration of the roster is not good enough.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like I understand from an optics point of view publicly discussing the trade deadline in early June.
[SPEAKER_01]: is going to send a message to the clubhouse that management has kind of already decided that the solution is outside of the room.
[SPEAKER_01]: So I understand from that point.
[SPEAKER_01]: So in that point, I think he's right to say that.
[SPEAKER_01]: He's wrong as if he genuinely thinks that it's not time to be thinking about the deadline because that's his job.
[SPEAKER_01]: So I think if he genuinely thinks that, then that's a bit problematic, but I think in terms of, you know,
[SPEAKER_01]: publicly discussing it.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think that he's just trying to, it's about personnel management a little bit.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I think, you know, because if you say it publicly, say, like, oh, yeah, we're looking at this and that in early June, that just says, like, oh, you know, like the answer is outside of what we have here.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like we don't trust you guys to figure it out, basically.
[SPEAKER_01]: So I think the message
[SPEAKER_01]: the answers somewhere in what we already have.
[SPEAKER_01]: I doubt that he's literally not thinking about the deadline just to be clear.
[SPEAKER_01]: But I mean, he's probably saying it's the wrong thing for everyone else to be focused on right now.
[SPEAKER_01]: And from that point of view, I think that's fair.
[SPEAKER_00]: No, I'm spot on, it's a case where he's got to say one thing publicly, where he's got it can't preach being like, yeah, we're looking externally, because that could result in some some panic in the clubhouse.
[SPEAKER_00]: And whenever he's speaking publicly, both him and Craig Council, the players see all that stuff.
[SPEAKER_00]: And they want to make sure they don't panic, they want to make sure that they have a cool voice there.
[SPEAKER_00]: And it's smart by him, but he has to go out
[SPEAKER_00]: and start looking at these kind of things here.
[SPEAKER_00]: And we've seen reports already even a couple of weeks ago that they were looking for starting pitching help.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I know the Freddie Pearl to whom I cold water is growing on it.
[SPEAKER_00]: But his job is absolutely to go out there, see what the market looks like, see what opportunities exist.
[SPEAKER_00]: And if one is out there that he finds and likes, he needs to go out and do it.
[SPEAKER_00]: So what they did with Edward Cabrera, so what he's done with a bunch of others here as well.
[SPEAKER_00]: But I think this is one where his comments publicly,
[SPEAKER_00]: do not match what's happening behind the scenes here whatsoever, but I do know that Hoyer is going to be a guy that we watch at the deadline because I think they're primed for a splash.
[SPEAKER_00]: Gets will see, AJ Preller will always watch him very closely.
[SPEAKER_00]: Same with Dave Numbrowski, but I could not be more appreciative of you joining us here today.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Hopefully we can have some news here before too long.
[SPEAKER_00]: But I will see you guys back here on Wednesday.
[SPEAKER_00]: Thank you again.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm out.
[SPEAKER_00]: Thank everybody else in the comments.
[SPEAKER_00]: Sean Daley, our lovely producer for the day.
[SPEAKER_00]: We appreciate you.
[SPEAKER_00]: And we will see you back here on Wednesday.
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