WEBVTT 00:02.490 --> 00:03.451 [SPEAKER_03]: Christian parenting. 00:07.815 --> 00:16.143 [SPEAKER_01]: Welcome to the Bible for Kids Podcast with your hosts, author Trisha Goyer, and author and co-creator of Veggie Tales, Mike Nuraki. 00:16.583 --> 00:24.170 [SPEAKER_01]: If instilling biblical values and kids is important to you, this podcast will give you the resources, wisdom, and hope to do just that. 00:24.690 --> 00:28.414 [SPEAKER_01]: Now let's join our hosts, Trisha, and Mike for this week's episode. 00:34.611 --> 00:36.473 [SPEAKER_03]: Welcome back to the Bible for Kids Podcast. 00:36.553 --> 00:37.394 [SPEAKER_03]: I'm Mike Naraki. 00:37.795 --> 00:38.876 [SPEAKER_00]: And I'm Trisha Goyer. 00:38.936 --> 00:44.662 [SPEAKER_00]: Today we're talking to Josh Kooley about his book Heroes of the Bible devotional too. 00:45.383 --> 00:50.049 [SPEAKER_00]: But before we do that, we like to start every Bible for kids podcast with their Bible first, Mike. 00:50.793 --> 01:09.313 [SPEAKER_03]: All right, today is the very menly verse of 1 Corinthians 16 13, be watchful, stand firm in the faith, act like men, be strong, men, men, men, men, men, men, men, men, men, men, under your a bio of Joshua, gentlemen, men, men, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, 01:09.793 --> 01:18.059 [SPEAKER_00]: Our amazing guest today is Josh Kooley, Josh is a New York Times bestselling author who has written or contributed to more than 20 books for kids, teens and adults. 01:18.579 --> 01:28.847 [SPEAKER_00]: His titles include Heroes of the Bible devotional, the one year sports devotions for kids, the one year devotions with Jesus and two picture books empty and I can't believe my eyes. 01:29.307 --> 01:36.032 [SPEAKER_00]: He's also a contributor to the Tindale's Go Bible for Kids and Crossways ESF Study Bible for Boys. 01:36.612 --> 01:39.473 [SPEAKER_00]: Josh lives in Durham, North Carolina. 01:39.493 --> 01:41.473 [SPEAKER_00]: Josh, welcome back to our podcast. 01:42.093 --> 01:44.374 [SPEAKER_02]: Hi, my country is just so good to be back with you. 01:44.414 --> 01:44.834 [SPEAKER_02]: Thank you. 01:45.114 --> 01:46.775 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, it's so great to have you back on. 01:47.435 --> 01:55.537 [SPEAKER_03]: We'd love to talk about, you know, your new book, the title is Hero of the Bibles Devotional too, because one was not enough. 01:55.557 --> 01:56.597 [SPEAKER_03]: There's more heroes to go. 01:56.617 --> 02:03.079 [SPEAKER_03]: And you've had, understand over 50,000 copies sold of the first heroes of the Bibles Devotional, is that right? 02:03.627 --> 02:04.067 [SPEAKER_03]: That's right. 02:04.107 --> 02:04.308 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah. 02:04.628 --> 02:04.908 [SPEAKER_03]: Awesome. 02:04.928 --> 02:11.554 [SPEAKER_03]: So can you tell us about the, you know, the individuals in, in, in, in version two and, and, and how, how they're heroic. 02:12.273 --> 02:13.074 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, for sure. 02:13.174 --> 02:19.518 [SPEAKER_02]: So with the first devotion, you know, I covered a lot of the, I guess you would calm the main heroes. 02:20.259 --> 02:30.326 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, that we often think about at least the stereotypical ones, you know, Abraham Moses, David, Jonah, Paul, Peter, all those folks and some ladies too. 02:30.547 --> 02:36.091 [SPEAKER_02]: And this devotion, I'm going to look at my table of contents to make sure I get some names right. 02:36.751 --> 02:46.278 [SPEAKER_02]: So I was really excited because I tell some stories, you know, true faithful biblical stories of folks that maybe don't show up in the Sunday morning curriculum as much. 02:46.758 --> 02:53.723 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, it looks like Caleb, E-Hood, Deborah, Hannah, A-Saf, Habakkuk. 02:54.884 --> 03:09.401 [SPEAKER_02]: Ezekiel Malachi over in the New Testament, Barnabas, Lydia, Titus, and then I also have a bonus section at the back with 10 early church leaders because I want kids to know that God's story 03:10.242 --> 03:12.063 [SPEAKER_02]: didn't stop in the book of Revelation, right? 03:12.123 --> 03:13.744 [SPEAKER_02]: It continues on after the Bible. 03:14.844 --> 03:15.865 [SPEAKER_02]: It was fully written. 03:15.985 --> 03:18.886 [SPEAKER_02]: So yeah, I'm really excited to tell some of these stories. 03:19.006 --> 03:20.047 [SPEAKER_02]: And maybe you don't hear so much. 03:20.607 --> 03:21.207 [SPEAKER_03]: That's wonderful. 03:21.307 --> 03:26.149 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, there's 2,000 years of other characters after that. 03:26.189 --> 03:27.570 [SPEAKER_03]: So that's great. 03:28.090 --> 03:34.033 [SPEAKER_03]: Habakkuk, I was actually just researching Habakkuk's cave near the pool of Salome. 03:34.353 --> 03:36.134 [SPEAKER_03]: So I don't know if that shows up in your thing there, 03:38.615 --> 03:59.036 [SPEAKER_03]: It's fascinating place, so it's going to, it may show a mere main that show up in a future story, but, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, 03:59.676 --> 04:02.018 [SPEAKER_02]: And maybe the spell checker doesn't have it right all the time. 04:02.398 --> 04:02.998 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, it's true. 04:03.018 --> 04:07.241 [SPEAKER_02]: Like, is the spell checker up to date with Old Testament prophets? 04:07.862 --> 04:08.262 [SPEAKER_02]: That's right. 04:08.322 --> 04:09.202 [SPEAKER_02]: It's right. 04:09.262 --> 04:09.523 [SPEAKER_00]: Okay. 04:09.543 --> 04:13.465 [SPEAKER_00]: Did you do Manoa and Manoa's wife, Samson's parents? 04:13.725 --> 04:14.266 [SPEAKER_02]: Good question. 04:14.306 --> 04:14.906 [SPEAKER_02]: No. 04:15.186 --> 04:17.308 [SPEAKER_02]: Here's the Bible devotional three tricks. 04:17.368 --> 04:17.888 [SPEAKER_02]: I was all right. 04:17.908 --> 04:19.089 [SPEAKER_03]: Got to have some more. 04:19.389 --> 04:20.790 [SPEAKER_00]: I was reading about them. 04:21.130 --> 04:22.631 [SPEAKER_00]: Manoa's wife, it doesn't even give her a name. 04:22.671 --> 04:23.652 [SPEAKER_00]: It says Manoa's wife. 04:24.432 --> 04:26.833 [SPEAKER_00]: And then, like, God says you're gonna have a child. 04:27.034 --> 04:28.834 [SPEAKER_00]: And then, look at all the stuff he does. 04:28.855 --> 04:31.156 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm like, those parents are heroes. 04:32.456 --> 04:35.318 [SPEAKER_00]: I have kids that are not always making good choices. 04:35.338 --> 04:38.880 [SPEAKER_00]: I was like, those needs to be in book three for sure. 04:38.960 --> 04:39.340 [SPEAKER_00]: That's right. 04:39.560 --> 04:41.481 [SPEAKER_03]: Well, we know your husband just as Trisha's husband. 04:41.701 --> 04:42.622 [SPEAKER_00]: So, okay. 04:42.682 --> 04:43.202 [SPEAKER_00]: Okay. 04:43.843 --> 04:45.063 [SPEAKER_00]: I'll call him, or John. 04:48.528 --> 04:53.716 [SPEAKER_00]: I love that you've looked into maybe some, you know, not as well-known people. 04:53.737 --> 04:59.767 [SPEAKER_00]: There are anything different about the sequel or can they expect the same type of devotions and things that were in the first book. 05:00.426 --> 05:02.187 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, it's generally the same format. 05:02.227 --> 05:10.954 [SPEAKER_02]: So for the main section of biblical men and women, it's 30, 30 individuals, three devotions each. 05:12.816 --> 05:19.801 [SPEAKER_02]: To give what I think is a pretty comprehensive view of their life when we pull a lot of scriptural truths and life lessons out of that. 05:20.282 --> 05:26.607 [SPEAKER_02]: And then those that bonus section of 10 at the end, that's just one devotion of peace on folks like 05:27.587 --> 05:50.104 [SPEAKER_02]: You know Clement Ignatius Augustine Jerome got some ladies in there like perpetua if I'm pronouncing that right and of course, everybody's favorite perpetua perpetua Yes, either way and and my personal favorite my my all-time favorite early church father name polycarp Does that mean like oh, yes, yes, I mean does that mean many fish. 05:50.344 --> 05:50.664 [SPEAKER_02]: I don't know 05:52.685 --> 05:54.986 [SPEAKER_03]: Yes, his, his, his, his buddy, Polly Purch. 05:56.087 --> 05:59.029 [SPEAKER_03]: I'm Polly trout, you know, Polly Polly fish. 05:59.389 --> 05:59.989 [SPEAKER_03]: Polly bass. 06:02.270 --> 06:04.291 [SPEAKER_00]: I don't know how we're going to get through this podcast. 06:04.471 --> 06:05.172 [SPEAKER_03]: I don't know. 06:05.252 --> 06:07.873 [SPEAKER_00]: It's good. 06:08.253 --> 06:09.314 [SPEAKER_03]: You know, well, you touched on this. 06:09.334 --> 06:10.615 [SPEAKER_03]: I actually had that question here too. 06:10.655 --> 06:12.255 [SPEAKER_03]: Just maybe dig into that a little bit more. 06:12.296 --> 06:14.777 [SPEAKER_03]: These 10, you know, early church fathers and mothers. 06:15.277 --> 06:15.997 [SPEAKER_03]: Again, we touched on it. 06:16.158 --> 06:18.759 [SPEAKER_03]: But, but why did you add this to to the devotion? 06:18.779 --> 06:20.660 [SPEAKER_03]: I'll just maybe go into your thinking there a little bit more. 06:21.632 --> 06:30.382 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I mean, church history fascinates me, and I've been reading a lot more about it in recent years, but I really do want kids to understand. 06:30.402 --> 06:38.791 [SPEAKER_02]: And again, like the period that I'm covering is probably through the, I'd say the fourth or fifth century with some of the people I talk about. 06:39.592 --> 06:44.238 [SPEAKER_02]: So the first, you know, 400-ish years after Christ rose again. 06:44.958 --> 06:50.105 [SPEAKER_02]: So I just want kids to have an awareness that like the Bible is living in active, right? 06:50.165 --> 06:55.592 [SPEAKER_02]: The truths that we read are living in active and this did not end with the closing of the Biblical canon. 06:56.032 --> 06:56.894 [SPEAKER_02]: God's story of 06:58.375 --> 07:09.167 [SPEAKER_02]: using, you know, regular men and women, boys and girls like us, a very regular ordinary, and doing extraordinary things with them has been happening for the last 2,000 years even in the today. 07:09.187 --> 07:11.449 [SPEAKER_02]: And they can be part of this amazing story, you know. 07:12.250 --> 07:15.394 [SPEAKER_02]: The book of Hebrews talks about that, the cloud of witnesses. 07:15.974 --> 07:18.717 [SPEAKER_02]: Since we are surrounded by such a cloud of witnesses, let us 07:19.398 --> 07:22.281 [SPEAKER_02]: hold firm to the faith and not lose heart in these things. 07:22.321 --> 07:24.983 [SPEAKER_02]: And so I think that's a powerful message to kids. 07:25.804 --> 07:35.012 [SPEAKER_02]: If they're putting their faith in Christ and choosing to live for him, they are joining a family thousands of years old, which is really neat. 07:35.652 --> 07:36.092 [SPEAKER_03]: I love that. 07:36.333 --> 07:40.095 [SPEAKER_03]: Well, I sort of an unspoken thing in the Protestant church. 07:40.175 --> 07:47.080 [SPEAKER_03]: It's like, OK, this ended with the revelation and it picks back up after Martin Luther. 07:47.640 --> 07:54.805 [SPEAKER_03]: But if you're a Catholic or Orthodox, obviously, you get a different history there. 07:54.825 --> 08:01.450 [SPEAKER_03]: But I love the fact that, yeah, there is continuity there, all the way from the apostles, Jesus in the apostles, all the way through to us now. 08:01.490 --> 08:02.430 [SPEAKER_03]: And I think you're right. 08:02.470 --> 08:03.911 [SPEAKER_03]: It's super important to learn about that 08:04.792 --> 08:07.275 [SPEAKER_03]: how the faith carried through all those many millennium. 08:07.875 --> 08:25.013 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, and so the message of the book, and the message of the original one too, is that again, like if you look at the stories of these individuals, whether it's a front and center character like David, or someone like Habeckick with three or four or twenty Kays in his name, 08:27.455 --> 08:37.800 [SPEAKER_02]: These were regular ordinary folks who came from usually pretty obscure backgrounds and God did something extraordinary in each of their lives in them and through them, right? 08:37.820 --> 08:40.021 [SPEAKER_02]: But they never started out as superheroes. 08:40.461 --> 08:43.403 [SPEAKER_02]: God never takes people who are already 08:44.163 --> 08:48.306 [SPEAKER_02]: superheroes who are already extraordinary have incredible abilities. 08:48.867 --> 08:52.570 [SPEAKER_02]: He takes folks that are pretty ordinary just like us, right? 08:52.690 --> 08:55.051 [SPEAKER_02]: Sometimes the least qualified, right? 08:55.852 --> 09:02.417 [SPEAKER_02]: And, you know, it's all second Corinthians 12, you know, nine and ten, right? 09:02.857 --> 09:05.039 [SPEAKER_02]: Our, our weakness is made strong. 09:05.259 --> 09:06.800 [SPEAKER_02]: Yes, right, displays his power. 09:06.840 --> 09:08.201 [SPEAKER_02]: And so he's still doing that today. 09:08.221 --> 09:09.583 [SPEAKER_02]: And I think that's a powerful message for 09:11.248 --> 09:22.190 [SPEAKER_00]: I would love to hear, like, how the lab is, especially like in comparison to other kid's devotions, I think a lot of times kid's devotions, which they're great, but they're more like modern-day kids and they're facing things. 09:22.250 --> 09:26.691 [SPEAKER_00]: And here's a scripture, and this is how you apply, but this is here as how, how is the layout? 09:26.711 --> 09:34.133 [SPEAKER_00]: You mentioned there's like three devotions per person, but explain the layout for parents, and what they can expect when they get this for their kids. 09:35.053 --> 09:43.097 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I mean, I don't know if we can even like zoom in on this, but this is kind of a each, each daily devotion is a spread like this. 09:43.137 --> 09:47.379 [SPEAKER_02]: So you have here's one true hero for God. 09:47.679 --> 09:52.181 [SPEAKER_02]: There's our our starting kind of theme, our thematic statement. 09:52.221 --> 09:56.023 [SPEAKER_02]: A true hero for God trusts that God has a plan even when life is hard. 09:56.783 --> 10:11.509 [SPEAKER_02]: And so there's images of the hero and then there's a message from headquarters, which is the Bible verse or passage of the day, you go into the story, decoding the message, helps kids understand like, you know, what the story is, how it's relevant. 10:11.969 --> 10:16.571 [SPEAKER_02]: What does it mean for me, battle plan right here is, you know, the takeaway. 10:16.631 --> 10:18.932 [SPEAKER_02]: Like, how can I implement this truth into my life? 10:19.493 --> 10:21.994 [SPEAKER_02]: And there's some related reading that I've added for this one. 10:22.994 --> 10:38.263 [SPEAKER_02]: There's also a hero highlight, just more fun facts and tidbits about each hero and then in some of them there's also a little gospel connection feature especially in the Old Testament because I want kids to know that everything is connected 10:39.043 --> 10:41.924 [SPEAKER_02]: to God's overarching plan of salvation in Jesus. 10:41.944 --> 10:49.867 [SPEAKER_02]: And that these are not just random stories about heroic people, like esophs, fables, or, you know, the Iliad or the Odyssey, right? 10:49.887 --> 10:52.328 [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, they're incredible stories, but they're true. 10:52.948 --> 11:04.833 [SPEAKER_02]: And they're part of one big story about God reconciling sinners to himself through Jesus and that we can have that power too, just like Moses or Abraham or Hobacac. 11:04.953 --> 11:08.114 [SPEAKER_02]: Lidia Sarah, all these people had his power working them as well. 11:08.794 --> 11:09.194 [SPEAKER_03]: wonderful. 11:09.815 --> 11:14.077 [SPEAKER_03]: And you know, I just, I wonder if it has a Kaius cave now that I say it. 11:14.137 --> 11:16.419 [SPEAKER_03]: So, another ancient cave thing. 11:16.699 --> 11:18.300 [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, yeah. 11:18.400 --> 11:19.000 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, yeah. 11:19.280 --> 11:19.561 [SPEAKER_03]: I don't know. 11:19.581 --> 11:20.962 [SPEAKER_03]: I'm going to need to do some more research. 11:21.322 --> 11:23.263 [SPEAKER_03]: But luckily, we're taking a break. 11:23.323 --> 11:24.223 [SPEAKER_03]: So we'll take a short break. 11:24.264 --> 11:26.485 [SPEAKER_03]: I'll do some research and we'll be right back on the Bible for kids. 11:30.535 --> 11:42.408 [SPEAKER_00]: Summer is here and that means it's time to stock up on your summer reads this year Christian parenting put together its first summer reading pixelist and it's packed with great books for the whole family. 11:42.809 --> 11:48.975 [SPEAKER_03]: For the kids you'll find illustrated story books for little ones fun biographies of prominent men and women of faith. 11:49.576 --> 12:00.887 [SPEAKER_03]: A mystery series perfect for elementary and middle schoolers, Bibles with scripture memory cards and games, devotionals that help kids learn how to spend time with God, and even a dyslexia friendly Bible. 12:01.312 --> 12:03.073 [SPEAKER_00]: And parents, we didn't forget about you. 12:03.473 --> 12:07.976 [SPEAKER_00]: There's a curated selection of devotional and books covering faith, culture, and spiritual growth. 12:08.357 --> 12:16.342 [SPEAKER_00]: There's even summer reading bingo cards included to make it a whole family experience because the family that reads together grows together. 12:16.742 --> 12:24.167 [SPEAKER_03]: Head over to ChristianParenting.org slash summer and check out the full list and make this the summer your whole family grows together in faith. 12:27.040 --> 12:33.013 [SPEAKER_03]: Get ready for mystery, mayhem, and meaningful faith lessons, in a town where Jesus' parables come to life. 12:33.756 --> 12:38.801 [SPEAKER_00]: When Anthony moves to parable port, he quickly learns the town isn't all that it seems. 12:39.201 --> 12:46.288 [SPEAKER_00]: Some lint or something is messing with the parable of the sewer, causing orange birds to attack and binds to go wild. 12:46.708 --> 12:52.533 [SPEAKER_00]: Can Anthony and his new friends crack riddles and uncover the town's secrets before it's too late? 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13:59.489 --> 14:01.231 [SPEAKER_03]: Well, I love trivia. 14:01.892 --> 14:03.614 [SPEAKER_02]: I love trivia. 14:03.634 --> 14:06.236 [SPEAKER_02]: So yeah, just the hero highlight, just a little... 14:06.837 --> 14:20.687 [SPEAKER_02]: little spot to give kids an extra insight or window into who this person is that that was a place that I could maybe talk about some interesting facts about the person that didn't make it into the main body of the devotion. 14:21.147 --> 14:22.028 [SPEAKER_02]: I love stuff like that. 14:22.048 --> 14:23.529 [SPEAKER_02]: I think I think kids do too, right? 14:23.549 --> 14:29.033 [SPEAKER_02]: We all love puzzles and trivia and you know little odds and ends and facts and figures and stuff. 14:29.073 --> 14:31.875 [SPEAKER_02]: So that's a that was a fun little feature to write and research and write. 14:36.563 --> 14:46.715 [SPEAKER_02]: I don't know if I could name one, but I do, maybe my favorite story that I talk about in this book is from the Judge Ehood. 14:47.763 --> 14:51.446 [SPEAKER_02]: good old e-hood, you know, you're, you're, you're, you're Palin' on. 14:51.926 --> 14:53.888 [SPEAKER_02]: So, as a musical, there's a musical right there. 14:55.690 --> 15:08.240 [SPEAKER_02]: Good old e-hood, you know, so he, he's a judge, right, and, uh, the Moabites are pressing Israel, and the Moabites are ruled by this, uh, what the scripture says is a very large king. 15:08.775 --> 15:09.835 [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, that's story. 15:10.115 --> 15:10.595 [SPEAKER_02]: Egg lawn. 15:11.236 --> 15:14.076 [SPEAKER_02]: Egg lawn and, I mean, the LK, right? 15:14.516 --> 15:15.597 [SPEAKER_02]: Hehood and egg lawn. 15:15.617 --> 15:19.197 [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, if you, that's a musical and waiting, right, right? 15:19.217 --> 15:22.878 [SPEAKER_02]: So, hehood left handed, dagger, soldier, right? 15:22.918 --> 15:25.419 [SPEAKER_02]: He goes in, he pulls out the dagger with his left hand. 15:25.459 --> 15:29.800 [SPEAKER_02]: He thrusts it in the King's belly and his upper chambers, when no one else is around. 15:30.700 --> 15:35.543 [SPEAKER_02]: the fat from Eglon's stomach folds over and he can't even pull the dagger out. 15:35.624 --> 15:47.112 [SPEAKER_02]: And so he escapes down the back way and the Bible says that Eglon's servants wait until the point of embarrassment to go check on the king because they thought he was in the bathroom. 15:48.432 --> 15:53.354 [SPEAKER_02]: This is right in the Bible and it's solid gold like as a young boy. 15:53.454 --> 15:55.114 [SPEAKER_02]: I would have eaten this up, right? 15:55.535 --> 15:55.955 [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, yeah. 15:56.135 --> 15:56.915 [SPEAKER_02]: Absolutely. 15:57.075 --> 15:59.856 [SPEAKER_02]: It sounds like a Saturday morning cartoon kind of thing. 16:00.416 --> 16:02.157 [SPEAKER_02]: Anyway, I had fun with that devotion. 16:02.177 --> 16:03.617 [SPEAKER_02]: That was a fun one to write. 16:03.637 --> 16:05.918 [SPEAKER_02]: That's awesome. 16:05.978 --> 16:08.639 [SPEAKER_00]: I just read that last week and I was like, oh, this is something. 16:08.679 --> 16:11.200 [SPEAKER_00]: I always tell people, I don't know if the Bible is true. 16:11.240 --> 16:11.540 [SPEAKER_00]: And I'm like, 16:15.701 --> 16:20.268 [SPEAKER_00]: You know, like Zeus and all those, you would not put these stories in there. 16:20.329 --> 16:21.450 [SPEAKER_00]: You would not put in there. 16:21.470 --> 16:22.512 [SPEAKER_03]: Right, right, right, right, right. 16:22.532 --> 16:26.739 [SPEAKER_00]: Brett is taking, or the servants that he's taking so long at the bathroom, but they're just there. 16:27.203 --> 16:31.545 [SPEAKER_03]: Right, right, or the profits of all, you know, it's like, oh, are you sure he's not using the bathroom right now. 16:31.885 --> 16:32.145 [SPEAKER_03]: Right. 16:32.165 --> 16:34.206 [SPEAKER_03]: That's why he's not, is that's not where he's not raining down fire. 16:34.886 --> 16:36.207 [SPEAKER_02]: Right. 16:36.387 --> 16:39.328 [SPEAKER_02]: So kids, if you're listening, the Bible does have potty humor. 16:39.528 --> 16:40.808 [SPEAKER_02]: Okay. 16:41.249 --> 16:42.869 [SPEAKER_02]: Not that I'm endorsing that at home. 16:42.889 --> 16:46.771 [SPEAKER_03]: No, no, no, no. 16:46.931 --> 16:54.694 [SPEAKER_03]: Well, speaking of which, so how can studying the lives of heroes of the Bible just in general, help kids grow in their faith? 16:55.544 --> 17:18.972 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, as we talked a little bit about before, I just think it's so encouraging that if we realize that these were very normal folks, God calling people very humble, ordinary, everyday folks who felt weak, you know, and powerless and insignificant, and he called them anyway to do great things, I think that's a huge encouragement for us. 17:19.712 --> 17:25.377 [SPEAKER_02]: You know, Moses, I mean, he's in the first devotional, but God calls him and to lead Israel out of slavery. 17:25.417 --> 17:31.621 [SPEAKER_02]: And what does he say, no God, please, I don't speak well, please don't send me, he had murdered someone years ago there. 17:31.661 --> 17:32.502 [SPEAKER_02]: They know about him. 17:32.522 --> 17:33.303 [SPEAKER_02]: He doesn't want to go back. 17:33.823 --> 17:34.884 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, price to get out of it. 17:35.384 --> 17:36.926 [SPEAKER_02]: Gideon is hiding in a ditch. 17:37.546 --> 17:39.107 [SPEAKER_02]: David is a shepherd boy. 17:39.207 --> 17:40.388 [SPEAKER_02]: Mary isn't obscure. 17:41.349 --> 17:50.634 [SPEAKER_02]: pregnant, unmarried woman from an obscure town like he calls very ordinary insignificant people to do amazing things. 17:50.774 --> 17:59.379 [SPEAKER_02]: And so if a kid is reading these stories and go, I don't know how I could ever part the Red Sea or battle a giant or whatever, maybe close the mouths of lions. 17:59.799 --> 18:01.520 [SPEAKER_02]: Well, that's not how these folks started out. 18:02.021 --> 18:04.462 [SPEAKER_02]: They started off regular, normal, just like us. 18:04.822 --> 18:07.244 [SPEAKER_02]: But it was God's power working inside of them. 18:08.205 --> 18:10.326 [SPEAKER_02]: where they were able to accomplish great things. 18:10.466 --> 18:14.708 [SPEAKER_02]: And he does the same thing with today's kids as well as they open their hearts up to him. 18:15.709 --> 18:17.170 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, no, that's wonderful. 18:17.210 --> 18:22.392 [SPEAKER_03]: And I know the verse that we used today, talked about, you know, be strong like men. 18:22.752 --> 18:26.714 [SPEAKER_03]: But almost a third of the heroes in your book are females. 18:27.235 --> 18:30.376 [SPEAKER_03]: Can you talk about that a little bit in that decision? 18:30.396 --> 18:33.618 [SPEAKER_03]: Because obviously there are a lot of female heroes in the Bible. 18:34.415 --> 18:37.036 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, so have I told you guys this before? 18:37.076 --> 18:38.477 [SPEAKER_02]: I'm a girl dad times four. 18:40.837 --> 18:42.578 [SPEAKER_02]: So there you go, there's your answer. 18:43.198 --> 18:44.099 [SPEAKER_02]: What's your age range? 18:44.119 --> 18:44.779 [SPEAKER_02]: What's your age range? 18:44.799 --> 18:45.239 [SPEAKER_02]: Your daughters? 18:45.579 --> 18:51.061 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, so 20, 19, 16 and as of two days ago, 14. 18:51.461 --> 18:53.242 [SPEAKER_03]: Wow, you are in the middle of it, man. 18:54.959 --> 19:03.844 [SPEAKER_02]: So if viewers can see my haircut right now that understand why, you know, yeah, but I love them to pieces. 19:03.864 --> 19:04.565 [SPEAKER_02]: They're amazing. 19:04.765 --> 19:20.975 [SPEAKER_02]: They are just wonderful little princesses, but yeah, so it's important for me, it's important to me for that female representation because God did extraordinary things through women just like men and, you know, I think it's really significant, who was the first person 19:25.002 --> 19:25.703 [SPEAKER_02]: It wasn't Peter. 19:26.183 --> 19:26.903 [SPEAKER_02]: It wasn't John. 19:27.224 --> 19:28.905 [SPEAKER_02]: It wasn't one of the main disciples. 19:29.105 --> 19:30.205 [SPEAKER_02]: It was Mary Magdalene. 19:30.646 --> 19:31.326 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah. 19:31.466 --> 19:34.148 [SPEAKER_02]: And I've got her story in here's of the Bible too. 19:34.728 --> 19:43.514 [SPEAKER_02]: So I think that speaks to God's love of the quality between men and women and that women can do amazing things for God too. 19:44.355 --> 19:44.795 [SPEAKER_03]: That's awesome. 19:45.655 --> 19:46.276 [SPEAKER_00]: That's so good. 19:46.316 --> 19:49.658 [SPEAKER_00]: And now I says when you're not navigating the publishing world, 19:50.503 --> 19:58.671 [SPEAKER_00]: or rock climbing, which I got to hear more about the rock climbing too, but let's just talk about it, just your heart for storytelling, shaping this next generation. 19:59.312 --> 20:01.434 [SPEAKER_00]: And try and rock climbing in that to that. 20:01.454 --> 20:02.115 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, sir. 20:02.895 --> 20:03.456 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah. 20:04.628 --> 20:17.634 [SPEAKER_02]: I go back to Psalm 78 for, that's kind of my life first when working with youth that tells, it says, tell to the coming generation, the glorious deeds of the Lord and His might and the wonders that He has done. 20:18.095 --> 20:24.058 [SPEAKER_02]: And so there's, I mean, there are many scriptural mandates I think for us to work with the next generation. 20:24.918 --> 20:27.081 [SPEAKER_02]: but that one is one of the most clear. 20:27.601 --> 20:29.844 [SPEAKER_02]: So God is a generational God, right? 20:29.964 --> 20:31.927 [SPEAKER_02]: What does He want us to do with the next generation? 20:32.007 --> 20:38.094 [SPEAKER_02]: He wants us to tell them about His great deeds and so bookwriting is a way I can do that. 20:38.255 --> 20:40.698 [SPEAKER_02]: And I'm just feel really privileged to do it. 20:42.079 --> 20:43.621 [SPEAKER_02]: Okay, when I get back to rock climbing, 20:47.144 --> 20:48.645 [SPEAKER_02]: Is that was that on my question list? 20:48.725 --> 20:49.125 [SPEAKER_02]: I am. 20:49.165 --> 20:50.246 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. 20:50.366 --> 20:52.828 [SPEAKER_00]: And literally it's on your question list. 20:53.068 --> 20:54.089 [SPEAKER_02]: Climbing, wow. 20:54.209 --> 21:00.774 [SPEAKER_02]: Okay, so I've, I've like never done any competitive rock climbing at all. 21:00.834 --> 21:03.156 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm not, I'm not a, I'm not a couple of says then. 21:04.437 --> 21:08.079 [SPEAKER_02]: I'm not even sure I've gone up like the dick sporting goods climbing wall. 21:08.139 --> 21:09.480 [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, oh, yeah. 21:10.661 --> 21:13.003 [SPEAKER_03]: So you thought it was just being up to us. 21:13.503 --> 21:14.884 [SPEAKER_03]: Oh, it's on the questions right here. 21:16.345 --> 21:22.652 [SPEAKER_02]: Maybe there was some sort of metaphor in there about how Josh, you know, overcame difficult obstacles in life. 21:26.336 --> 21:27.136 [SPEAKER_03]: Oh, that's hilarious. 21:27.537 --> 21:27.797 [SPEAKER_03]: All right. 21:27.817 --> 21:29.158 [SPEAKER_03]: Well, let's move on from that then. 21:29.919 --> 21:35.505 [SPEAKER_03]: You've dedicated the book to Robert and Arlene Hummel and Paul and Elizabeth Kooley. 21:36.206 --> 21:38.048 [SPEAKER_03]: Can you tell us a little about who those folks are? 21:38.648 --> 21:39.769 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, those are my grandparents. 21:39.829 --> 21:45.696 [SPEAKER_02]: So, you know, the coolies are my paternal obviously and the humbles are my maternal. 21:46.396 --> 21:52.603 [SPEAKER_02]: They're they're all with the Lord now, but I have a real wonderful legacy of faith in my family. 21:52.623 --> 21:53.304 [SPEAKER_02]: I'm adopted. 21:53.824 --> 21:59.427 [SPEAKER_02]: And so I don't know my birth parents, and so I don't know what my life would have been like. 21:59.507 --> 22:05.050 [SPEAKER_02]: Had I not been adopted into the Cooley family as a baby, so all I know is my adopted family. 22:05.510 --> 22:13.434 [SPEAKER_02]: But God had paved the way beforehand, right, with the humble side of the family and the Cooley side of the family. 22:14.758 --> 22:19.020 [SPEAKER_02]: grandparents were men and women of faith and they pass that along to my parents. 22:19.400 --> 22:22.682 [SPEAKER_02]: My adopted parents and they passed that along to me and my sister. 22:23.463 --> 22:28.125 [SPEAKER_02]: And so I think that goes along with the theme of here's the Bible, right? 22:28.485 --> 22:40.732 [SPEAKER_02]: We're looking into the past for inspiration from these incredible men and women of God who we can learn from and for me I learned from some incredible men and women of God in my own family. 22:40.852 --> 22:41.932 [SPEAKER_02]: So I wanted to honor them. 22:42.573 --> 22:43.133 [SPEAKER_03]: That's wonderful. 22:43.867 --> 22:44.447 [SPEAKER_00]: I love that. 22:44.908 --> 22:49.291 [SPEAKER_00]: So I also know that you can, you know, go speak and talk about your books. 22:49.611 --> 22:52.973 [SPEAKER_00]: How do the kids, when you're there, how do they read late to these, these heroes? 22:52.993 --> 22:57.176 [SPEAKER_00]: And when are some of the things they say are some of the takeaway when they hear you speak about this? 22:58.033 --> 23:01.234 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, so right now I've been doing a lot of speaking on here's with the Bible too. 23:01.254 --> 23:08.235 [SPEAKER_02]: So I'll go to school chapels, Christian school chapels, and I, you know, talk to elementary kids or I'll do some book readings for younger kids. 23:08.895 --> 23:14.257 [SPEAKER_02]: But when I go to elementary schools, I will dress up as a character like a superhero character. 23:14.837 --> 23:20.458 [SPEAKER_02]: And I come out really bombastic and you know, talking about how I'm the greatest superhero in the world. 23:20.578 --> 23:22.279 [SPEAKER_02]: Incredible man is my character name. 23:25.508 --> 23:29.492 [SPEAKER_02]: I even show them the biceps of justice, and of course that gets a good audience laugh. 23:31.074 --> 23:37.201 [SPEAKER_02]: And one by one, I try to do these amazing feats of wonder, because obviously I want the kids to kind of react this way. 23:37.241 --> 23:38.622 [SPEAKER_02]: Nobody believes that I'm a real superhero. 23:38.662 --> 23:41.785 [SPEAKER_02]: So I'm going to try and run real fast, like a flash, but I pull a hammy. 23:42.586 --> 23:47.632 [SPEAKER_02]: I try and arm wrestle to show off the biceps of justice, but I lose to like four-year-old preschool girls. 23:48.873 --> 24:01.001 [SPEAKER_02]: You know, I try and fly off the stage and I fall on my face and so that's a great segue to go into like, hey, it doesn't take superpowers comic book, you know, style abilities to be a hero for God. 24:01.602 --> 24:09.908 [SPEAKER_02]: It just takes putting your faith in him, you know, showing love to him and others and obeying his commands, faith, faith obedience and love. 24:10.548 --> 24:12.830 [SPEAKER_02]: So that's what we talk about and I think the kids respond pretty well. 24:13.667 --> 24:15.348 [SPEAKER_00]: That sounds so fun. 24:15.508 --> 24:16.228 [SPEAKER_03]: I love it, I love it. 24:17.028 --> 24:19.369 [SPEAKER_03]: Josh, it was so great to talk with you again today. 24:19.789 --> 24:30.792 [SPEAKER_03]: About number two, you had number one on me for, can't wait for number three, can you tell us where they can connect with you and learn more about your new book? 24:31.472 --> 24:32.593 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, yeah, thank you. 24:32.613 --> 24:37.254 [SPEAKER_02]: So Joshua, coolieauthor.com is my website. 24:37.454 --> 24:41.215 [SPEAKER_02]: Joshua, coolieauthor.com, my full name, Joshua, when I'm in trouble. 24:43.613 --> 24:44.134 [SPEAKER_02]: type that in. 24:44.634 --> 24:48.679 [SPEAKER_02]: And then yeah on on Instagram on Facebook they can find me as well. 24:49.239 --> 24:52.663 [SPEAKER_02]: I have an Amazon author page if you just go to Amazon and type in my name. 24:53.644 --> 24:54.505 [SPEAKER_02]: Josh will cool it off there. 24:54.545 --> 24:55.326 [SPEAKER_02]: You'll find that too. 24:55.406 --> 24:56.747 [SPEAKER_02]: So would love to connect that way. 24:57.468 --> 24:57.829 [SPEAKER_02]: Wonderful. 24:58.395 --> 24:58.775 [SPEAKER_00]: I love it. 24:59.176 --> 24:59.696 [SPEAKER_00]: And listen to us. 24:59.736 --> 25:02.899 [SPEAKER_00]: Be sure to follow us on Facebook or Instagram at the Bible for Kids. 25:03.339 --> 25:10.684 [SPEAKER_00]: The Bible for Kids is now a 501c39 profit and we'd love to have you join us in our mission of reaching kids with the message of the Bible. 25:11.145 --> 25:16.209 [SPEAKER_00]: Visit thebibilforkids.com to explore our store, donate, or learn more today. 25:16.829 --> 25:17.670 [SPEAKER_01]: We'll see you next time. 25:20.317 --> 25:24.760 [SPEAKER_01]: Thanks for listening to the Bible for Kids Podcast with Trisha Goyer and Mike Nurekki. 25:25.100 --> 25:31.124 [SPEAKER_01]: Be sure to connect with the Bible for kids on Instagram, Facebook and at thebibelforkids.com. 25:31.585 --> 25:35.827 [SPEAKER_01]: The Bible for Kids Podcast is powered by the Christian Parenting Podcast Network. 25:36.268 --> 25:38.789 [SPEAKER_01]: Find out more at ChristianParenting.org. 25:39.190 --> 25:42.252 [SPEAKER_01]: Our show is also available at wayNation.com.