WEBVTT 00:03.139 --> 00:07.846 [SPEAKER_02]: This show is brought to you by TheMakerie, the podcast network for makers. 00:18.001 --> 00:18.362 [SPEAKER_02]: You ready? 00:19.632 --> 00:20.272 [SPEAKER_01]: He's ready. 00:20.533 --> 00:21.273 [SPEAKER_02]: That's doing it. 00:21.473 --> 00:22.434 [SPEAKER_02]: My name is Chris this year. 00:22.474 --> 00:23.214 [SPEAKER_02]: Chris that be here. 00:23.234 --> 00:24.375 [SPEAKER_02]: You see you make everything shop. 00:24.415 --> 00:25.236 [SPEAKER_02]: It's all going to be good. 00:25.276 --> 00:26.797 [SPEAKER_02]: Welcome to the full last podcast guys. 00:26.997 --> 00:28.198 [SPEAKER_02]: I am Jeff Fader. 00:28.658 --> 00:31.140 [SPEAKER_02]: First things first, I want to thank my friends and brought back our networks. 00:31.260 --> 00:33.321 [SPEAKER_02]: When this comes out, it is right before Blade Show. 00:33.341 --> 00:35.563 [SPEAKER_02]: So if you have a chance to go visit some of these sponsors. 00:36.003 --> 00:38.364 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07:16.968 --> 07:20.911 [SPEAKER_02]: Chris is my guy and I'm happy to hear how you're doing. 07:21.511 --> 07:23.872 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm good man, how are you man? 07:24.652 --> 07:32.695 [SPEAKER_02]: I'm excited and I want to the reason I'm excited is talking we had lots of cover But you are another you're a new father times two. 07:33.355 --> 07:33.975 [SPEAKER_02]: That's right. 07:34.435 --> 07:38.757 [SPEAKER_02]: I love it and I'm thinking I You you have another daughter. 07:38.777 --> 07:41.578 [SPEAKER_02]: I have loved you know, you know me. 07:41.678 --> 07:42.138 [SPEAKER_02]: I love it. 07:42.158 --> 07:47.620 [SPEAKER_02]: Your daughter is the best and I want to know how it's going as a father of two 07:48.493 --> 08:08.420 [SPEAKER_01]: you know it's going well I think it's um you know it's an experience my first daughter was two and a half when Lily my second daughter was born and you know she's like still deciding if she wants to keep the baby or if she wants the baby to be returned to where she came from 08:08.680 --> 08:12.082 [SPEAKER_01]: Okay, but we're getting warming up, you know what I mean, we're warming up. 08:12.282 --> 08:21.447 [SPEAKER_01]: So and I think my as the pediatrician says she's like none of us killed our siblings So I think you guys should be fine No, you have a sister too, right? 08:21.868 --> 08:23.268 [SPEAKER_01]: I have two sisters actually. 08:23.308 --> 08:24.229 [SPEAKER_01]: I have two sisters. 08:24.509 --> 08:30.493 [SPEAKER_01]: They are, but my younger sister is like 10-11 years younger than me and my older sister is like 08:31.273 --> 08:31.853 [SPEAKER_01]: 13 years. 08:31.993 --> 08:32.333 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm sorry. 08:32.373 --> 08:34.874 [SPEAKER_01]: My youngest sister is 11 years younger than me. 08:34.914 --> 08:37.274 [SPEAKER_01]: My older sister is 13 years older than me. 08:37.754 --> 08:38.975 [SPEAKER_01]: So they're far away. 08:39.235 --> 08:41.575 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, almost like an only child for a long period of time. 08:41.995 --> 08:43.836 [SPEAKER_01]: No, because I have brothers in between there too. 08:43.916 --> 08:44.776 [SPEAKER_01]: So there's there. 08:44.896 --> 08:49.057 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm I'm the middle of five ranging from like 53 my oldest brothers 53 my youngest sister is 26 08:54.358 --> 08:56.259 [SPEAKER_01]: So quite a span. 08:56.279 --> 08:58.620 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, my dad had quite a few. 08:58.800 --> 09:01.321 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, my dad just, you know, couldn't stop himself. 09:01.361 --> 09:15.366 [SPEAKER_02]: Just kept having more kids My dad stopped himself because he couldn't handle all the divorces My dad is like, I think I've had enough I've had enough He even played a child support now alone for too many years. 09:15.666 --> 09:16.767 [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, I got had enough 09:17.207 --> 09:19.608 [SPEAKER_01]: I saw this hysterical thing on Instagram the other day. 09:19.728 --> 09:25.089 [SPEAKER_01]: This guy had like four baby mommas and it showed like his paycheck and he was like a regular job. 09:25.449 --> 09:27.390 [SPEAKER_01]: But he had four different child supports. 09:27.710 --> 09:40.273 [SPEAKER_01]: So by the time he was done his paycheck was like $150 take home and each child support had like a different amount coming off of his check and at the end of the day he just had nothing left. 09:41.513 --> 09:45.914 [SPEAKER_02]: My dad used I asked him when my dad was getting older and he was kind of like, you know, heading down. 09:45.974 --> 09:49.275 [SPEAKER_02]: You know, if there was pretty much, you know, he had maybe another year left. 09:49.815 --> 09:53.916 [SPEAKER_02]: And when he was kind of really, I got to have a conversation with him. 09:53.936 --> 09:57.357 [SPEAKER_02]: But I asked him, I thought, you know, this is your chance to ask the questions you never got to answer. 09:57.897 --> 10:00.158 [SPEAKER_02]: They asked him what his biggest regret in life was. 10:00.278 --> 10:03.899 [SPEAKER_02]: He was a super talented painter, incredibly, you know, good wine maker. 10:03.919 --> 10:05.419 [SPEAKER_02]: He, you know, made a name for himself. 10:05.959 --> 10:08.660 [SPEAKER_02]: And he said his biggest regret was that he was married so many times. 10:09.440 --> 10:13.601 [SPEAKER_02]: Which I found to be slightly offensive because I'm just like, well, I mean, then you wouldn't have had your sister. 10:13.641 --> 10:14.641 [SPEAKER_02]: You're my sisters in me. 10:15.261 --> 10:15.762 [SPEAKER_02]: So yeah. 10:16.802 --> 10:25.944 [SPEAKER_02]: But you must, I, I, I'm in this different stage with you because we're, when this is over, when this posts in a couple days, we're going to go to Japan to visit our daughter. 10:25.964 --> 10:27.564 [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, she's in Japan. 10:27.744 --> 10:30.005 [SPEAKER_02]: She, Lyle has been, she has a semester abroad. 10:30.025 --> 10:31.705 [SPEAKER_02]: She's been in Japan for two months already. 10:31.845 --> 10:33.066 [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, wow, that's actually. 10:33.086 --> 10:37.327 [SPEAKER_02]: And she has carved out an incredible life. 10:38.167 --> 10:47.415 [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, she's in a dorm and she's, you know, she goes to classes in this university in Tokyo, but she has, it's so cool. 10:47.435 --> 10:55.763 [SPEAKER_02]: And this is what I'm so excited for you about, is that when they get older, it's so much fun seeing how they make it make their way. 10:56.023 --> 10:56.243 [SPEAKER_02]: It like. 10:56.263 --> 10:56.523 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. 10:57.884 --> 11:23.674 [SPEAKER_01]: You may not remember, but so you told me, you were one of the first people to meet Avery, my first daughter, right, so you came out to the shop and We were I was like dealing with all these things like there was like she had like I had to feed her and I had to change her and you were like watching me go through it and you and I it's funny because I You said something to me that I remember and I tell I tell people all the time you were like 11:24.234 --> 11:25.295 [SPEAKER_01]: you were like, this is great. 11:25.355 --> 11:26.475 [SPEAKER_01]: This is a great part. 11:26.515 --> 11:30.378 [SPEAKER_01]: This is a great, like, you know, kind of phase that you're going through with your daughter being so young. 11:30.778 --> 11:37.262 [SPEAKER_01]: But you said the first time that you can get in the car with her with no accessories, your whole life will feel completely different. 11:37.682 --> 11:42.264 [SPEAKER_01]: Where you said you just hop in the car and you like go and get pizza and users know car seat. 11:42.285 --> 11:43.465 [SPEAKER_01]: There's no booster seat. 11:43.585 --> 11:44.526 [SPEAKER_01]: She sits in the front. 11:44.546 --> 11:46.207 [SPEAKER_01]: You just hop in the car and go. 11:46.887 --> 12:01.769 [SPEAKER_01]: and i think about that often because i like now like i bring i try to bring my older daughter like with me places i'm like oh avery like i got to go to the store if you want to come and sometimes she you know throws a fit it's like absolutely not and other times she says yeah i'll come with you 12:02.590 --> 12:22.789 [SPEAKER_01]: but you know she's still a baby right so she's only she's not even three so she doesn't know what we're doing and sometimes she just gets over it starts having a meltdown in the back seat whatever but i think about like you know i'm i'm working from home all the time for my day job most of the time so i see her all the time so she's like this you know my little buddy who's around with me 12:23.269 --> 12:42.730 [SPEAKER_01]: and i think about how like it will be heartbreaking when she's so old that she's like independent because i'll you know it'll kill me but it'll be amazing for her to become like you know another person in my life not just this like dependent blob you know that like needs me for every little thing so i think about what you said very often you know uh in that way 12:43.190 --> 12:52.957 [SPEAKER_02]: It's amazing and the crazy part is a lot of it has also has to do with the, you know, I mean, from in my situation I'm very fortunate that I have a marriage where I have a real partnership. 12:53.057 --> 12:55.658 [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, I took my wife and I really get along really well. 12:55.878 --> 13:00.021 [SPEAKER_02]: Even now, we just celebrated our 25th anniversary and been together over 30 years. 13:01.422 --> 13:01.843 [SPEAKER_02]: Amazing. 13:01.903 --> 13:06.526 [SPEAKER_02]: We just love, I mean, in the beginning, Lyle wanted nothing to do with me. 13:06.566 --> 13:09.429 [SPEAKER_02]: She would say, I love long for like, they're for a good year. 13:09.849 --> 13:14.433 [SPEAKER_02]: And on good year, and I would say to Hillary, I'm like, I'm going to do everything I can to not take this personally. 13:14.633 --> 13:14.953 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah. 13:15.134 --> 13:27.344 [SPEAKER_02]: And then it just like the whole, and I remember, I remember, you know, you mentioned that I remember I was going out to get bagels when Lyle was in a crib, or when she was in really young, probably younger, as young as your new daughter. 13:27.864 --> 13:35.986 [SPEAKER_02]: And I remember putting her in the car seat, backwards and one wall thing and I wanted her that we went to go get the bagels and we stopped somewhere else and I realized I didn't buckler in. 13:36.866 --> 13:40.507 [SPEAKER_01]: I thought, I look at this little bit and I said, don't tell your mother. 13:40.927 --> 13:42.668 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, tell your mother. 13:42.948 --> 13:47.889 [SPEAKER_02]: But the amazing thing is you think I always want them to be little, but they become so, 13:49.069 --> 14:10.607 [SPEAKER_02]: Interesting people I know like and also the the importance of being a father to a daughter So important because you got it you got to give them confidence That's the most important thing and it isn't even just it isn't saying things It's it's never that the people who do the most talking and don't do the most action of the ones who don't know understand You can't just lecture your kids 14:10.887 --> 14:14.233 [SPEAKER_02]: They've got to be able to see, they've got to see you walk in the walk. 14:14.613 --> 14:14.914 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. 14:14.954 --> 14:16.116 [SPEAKER_02]: It's just everything about it. 14:16.136 --> 14:23.308 [SPEAKER_02]: So happy for you because to me, it was the most rewarding, this is being a father's been the most rewarding thing in my life. 14:23.348 --> 14:24.129 [SPEAKER_02]: No question about it. 14:24.270 --> 14:24.991 [SPEAKER_02]: Biolic in the Mile. 14:25.521 --> 14:31.203 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh yeah, and I already feel that in my own life, just in like, you know, because as Avery gets bigger, right? 14:31.243 --> 14:37.345 [SPEAKER_01]: And like, perfect example yesterday, we went to like a block party, like a, you know, a street over for us. 14:37.505 --> 14:43.707 [SPEAKER_01]: And, you know, she interacts with people all the time, but, you know, she really was like turned on yesterday. 14:43.747 --> 14:53.850 [SPEAKER_01]: So she was like running around and like literally just, you know, kind of ran away from my wife and I, and was just like interacting with these strangers that she'd never met, like, play a peek-a-boo of Allah. 14:54.290 --> 14:57.871 [SPEAKER_01]: And I was like, this is like, you know, my wife is funny. 14:57.931 --> 15:01.612 [SPEAKER_01]: She's like, she's like, well, she definitely didn't inherit my, like, shy gene. 15:01.732 --> 15:04.552 [SPEAKER_01]: And, you know, I mean, you know, me, Jeff, like, since the day we met. 15:04.572 --> 15:06.933 [SPEAKER_01]: Like, I'm, I'll go talk to anybody. 15:06.993 --> 15:08.273 [SPEAKER_01]: I'll ask anybody a question. 15:08.313 --> 15:13.434 [SPEAKER_01]: I'll like, you know, at least try to create a connection with anybody, especially someone that's interesting. 15:13.454 --> 15:14.975 [SPEAKER_01]: And like, my daughter has that. 15:15.075 --> 15:16.795 [SPEAKER_01]: And I think about, like, how, 15:17.335 --> 15:19.016 [SPEAKER_01]: Personally, I think it's a great quality, right? 15:19.036 --> 15:24.600 [SPEAKER_01]: Because then she can build connections and be friendly and outgoing and also learn how to read people. 15:25.180 --> 15:27.702 [SPEAKER_01]: And it's like, I never want her to feel like she has to be shy. 15:28.102 --> 15:45.894 [SPEAKER_01]: And now that I see her coming out of her shell in that way and being so excited and not afraid of meeting new people, and again, not to compare my kid with anyone else's kid, but I'd much rather her be that way than be completely clinging to me anytime, like somebody new walks in the room. 15:46.274 --> 16:05.004 [SPEAKER_01]: you know what I mean and feeling this like total dependency on like us to be there because obviously we're gonna be there but it's good for her to like forge those own sort of like you know connections and like be outgoing and you know be fun and not be afraid you know to talk to people so I'm like it's exciting to watch her change in that way. 16:05.404 --> 16:08.447 [SPEAKER_02]: And to what you know, I mean, that's exhibiting confidence. 16:08.807 --> 16:09.268 [SPEAKER_02]: Exactly. 16:09.288 --> 16:13.011 [SPEAKER_02]: If you're trusting in her own, she feels confident in her own safety. 16:13.432 --> 16:16.314 [SPEAKER_02]: And she feels confident in her sudden in meeting someone. 16:16.875 --> 16:20.698 [SPEAKER_02]: It's just, I used to look at things that people. 16:20.738 --> 16:24.322 [SPEAKER_02]: Like, I remember my daughter, she used to suck her thumb. 16:25.102 --> 16:31.748 [SPEAKER_02]: And there was a long time where there were her parents, her grandparents, her aunts and uncles just ain't got a stop at the fucking fucking fucking thumbs up. 16:32.148 --> 16:40.714 [SPEAKER_02]: And part of me thought, I said, you know what, there's a little bit of self-reliance with sucking your thumb because you're self-suding, you know what, that's the first thing something to be said about. 16:41.055 --> 16:49.261 [SPEAKER_02]: I mean we ended up, I said, I remember walking to kindergarten and I said, I remember we used to laugh and I used to say to him like, you can't be sucking a thumb in kindergarten because you can make it. 16:49.701 --> 16:53.204 [SPEAKER_02]: And she's like, and then she's just like, got me in a face and Hillary ended up just getting the... 16:53.604 --> 16:54.665 [SPEAKER_02]: The thing you know, polish. 16:55.206 --> 16:56.247 [SPEAKER_02]: Yep, he's disgusting. 16:56.427 --> 17:19.008 [SPEAKER_02]: Yep, yep, like a bitter as a bitter as there's something like that But at the same time all those little moments of being confident or super important, especially nowadays where young girls are neat as much confidence as possible It's just like This was the beat for us in Lila going to well Lila going to college in California was scary because you're so far away and everybody reminds you how far they out far away They are 17:19.428 --> 17:27.113 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, you know, Lila's first year she got COVID in fucking orientation, which was just like, did just everything you think, I should be okay. 17:27.413 --> 17:28.934 [SPEAKER_02]: And we couldn't even be there for you, you know? 17:29.134 --> 17:29.454 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah. 17:29.474 --> 17:33.037 [SPEAKER_02]: And then creating her own life in college in California. 17:33.637 --> 17:38.260 [SPEAKER_02]: And then now I was terrified of Japan only because it's a different culture. 17:38.860 --> 17:58.236 [SPEAKER_02]: Different everything just a far-owny buddy, and she's in this an international school with all these other kids from all these other schools and some of them are sounds like they're but bunch of knuckleheads But other than that, I mean she's be able she's forged this she's never called What like I thought she was gonna be his home sick. 17:58.256 --> 17:59.717 [SPEAKER_02]: I was super afraid of that. 17:59.757 --> 18:03.480 [SPEAKER_02]: That was like my biggest fear because Growing up I was I was home sick in my own home. 18:03.961 --> 18:05.282 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, he was nobody around. 18:05.322 --> 18:06.823 [SPEAKER_02]: I was having a real hard time with it 18:07.324 --> 18:12.207 [SPEAKER_02]: but it's just so amazing seeing her, seeing her kind of create her own life. 18:12.307 --> 18:14.068 [SPEAKER_02]: That's the best part about this situation. 18:14.148 --> 18:16.209 [SPEAKER_02]: She's 21, she'll be 22 in December. 18:16.949 --> 18:20.591 [SPEAKER_02]: And when people ask you what I'm gonna do in Japan, I'm like, I'm gonna let Lyle take me around. 18:21.012 --> 18:24.994 [SPEAKER_02]: Whatever, I wanna see her world through her eyes and I wanna be a passenger. 18:25.534 --> 18:50.116 [SPEAKER_02]: yeah absolutely and see what her experiences like and you know what what things she's learned how to navigate such a such a different culture and you know this is what you're going to get in your life and instead of thinking I am going to lose this person you're going to be able to see what you know you've you've kind of like poured the water on you then the fertilizer and plant grows and everything is it's just I'm very happy for you 18:50.456 --> 19:03.835 [SPEAKER_02]: I was happy for you when I got to meet your first daughter and now I got to know I got to see pictures of Lily and I just think that you have such a wonderful way and I think that you're going to be a great I think you are a great dad but I know that you're going to be a great dad 19:04.334 --> 19:05.055 [SPEAKER_01]: Well, thank you, Jeff. 19:05.095 --> 19:06.056 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it's been a lot of fun. 19:06.076 --> 19:08.099 [SPEAKER_01]: We've had ups and downs, right? 19:08.119 --> 19:11.883 [SPEAKER_01]: We also, you know, I renovated my house for the last like year and a half. 19:12.023 --> 19:24.078 [SPEAKER_01]: And so, Avery like grew up in this construction site and we have these amazing pictures that I like cherish forever of her, you know, like running around the house with like plywood floors and dry, you know, speck along the walls and 19:24.458 --> 19:51.088 [SPEAKER_01]: you know coloring on the on the drywall because we let her and then my wife got pregnant while we were still in construction so then like Lily was born now the house kind of done and it's funny because I think there'll be um you know there'll be this kind of funny uh you know difference in just their upbringing is where like Lily came into a finished house and even who was in like full chaos but you know it's funny because I grew up in like a house full of construction too and um you know it's like some of my fondest memories are like doing that so 19:51.448 --> 19:53.890 [SPEAKER_01]: Anyway, it's been great, and it's been awesome, but that's it. 19:53.930 --> 19:54.310 [SPEAKER_01]: We're done. 19:54.470 --> 19:58.072 [SPEAKER_01]: Only two, no more babies for us. 19:58.692 --> 20:06.317 [SPEAKER_01]: And it's definitely been challenging to try to work around having two kids. 20:07.237 --> 20:11.600 [SPEAKER_01]: But I've been trying to find the time to keep going, you know what I mean? 20:11.900 --> 20:13.381 [SPEAKER_01]: Because that's just as important now. 20:13.941 --> 20:17.327 [SPEAKER_02]: If you don't mind me being personal for a second, you can tell me to fuck off if you want. 20:17.707 --> 20:20.852 [SPEAKER_02]: Is there a reason that you come from a family of five? 20:20.912 --> 20:22.415 [SPEAKER_02]: Is there a specific reason? 20:22.855 --> 20:24.819 [SPEAKER_02]: Because I have a reason why I only have one. 20:25.259 --> 20:28.685 [SPEAKER_02]: But do you have a reason why you know more kids? 20:29.170 --> 20:35.136 [SPEAKER_01]: Um, I think that, like, I think that, well, I mean, I'm 30% of the reason. 20:35.196 --> 20:37.678 [SPEAKER_01]: No, no, but it's a valid question, right? 20:37.698 --> 20:42.782 [SPEAKER_01]: Because it's like, you know, I think that we always only ever wanted to. 20:43.063 --> 20:47.006 [SPEAKER_01]: We actually even thought about like just staying with one because we like have the Avery. 20:47.026 --> 20:48.768 [SPEAKER_01]: And it's like, and like you would lie, right? 20:48.788 --> 20:54.433 [SPEAKER_01]: Like you, like the idea there was this kind of, um, you know, 20:55.914 --> 21:09.598 [SPEAKER_01]: Assumed like there was like a little bit of like sadness when we were like thinking about having a second kid because it's like Avery gets all the attention and we love her so much and it's like well She's not gonna get all the attention if we have a second kid so it's like why would we do that to her? 21:09.618 --> 21:15.720 [SPEAKER_01]: But then we were like well, you know my my wife is one of four she is three brothers that are they're all like pretty 21:16.620 --> 21:37.596 [SPEAKER_01]: a couple of good years older than her, but still, you know, we're part of her life, obviously, and then I'm one of five, so it's like, we also don't have any cousins, like my daughter, my brother and my sister are not anywhere near having kids, and then my older brother, who has kids, they live in North Carolina, and they're already like 12 years old. 21:39.597 --> 21:50.542 [SPEAKER_01]: Even if they want to play with her now, a couple of years from now, they're not going to want anything to do with like a five year old, you know what I mean, which was sort of the experience that I had where my cousins are like a good 10 years old with it. 21:50.622 --> 22:01.767 [SPEAKER_01]: So like when I was a little kid, they would entertain us, but they don't, you know, like they didn't really want to hang out with their like five year old cousins when they were 15, you know what I mean? 22:01.807 --> 22:05.569 [SPEAKER_01]: Like by cousin would like stick us in front of his like Sega Genesis and then he would leave. 22:06.229 --> 22:33.344 [SPEAKER_01]: Or he would just tell my aunt like not really want to play with that right now You know because he's like a teenager and we're like these little kids So anyway, it's like a long way around like we wanted her to have a sibling and then the idea of like having a third kid like just seems It seems impossible to do it and I it's funny because I I look at like my parents My mom and dad my brother and I are two years apart and then my sister is 11 years younger than me and it 22:34.364 --> 22:50.987 [SPEAKER_01]: When you think about it on paper, we're like, well, like, why would my mom and dad like want to have another kid after they're already sort of done with kids and then I could see myself in 10 years Being like, oh, it'd be great to have like another baby, but then I think about that and I'm like my house isn't big enough 22:51.488 --> 22:56.449 [SPEAKER_01]: My car isn't big enough, and it's so goddamn expensive that we're like, two is good. 22:56.569 --> 22:57.589 [SPEAKER_01]: We have our two girls. 22:57.669 --> 22:59.270 [SPEAKER_01]: They'll be, you know, they'll be best friends. 22:59.570 --> 23:02.571 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm sure at some point they'll hate each other, but then they'll be best friends again. 23:03.051 --> 23:04.751 [SPEAKER_01]: And then, you know, we're all set. 23:04.791 --> 23:08.012 [SPEAKER_01]: So the thing that everybody keeps asking me, though, is they're like, don't you want a boy? 23:08.052 --> 23:09.152 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm like, I'm fine. 23:09.252 --> 23:09.892 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm all set. 23:09.932 --> 23:11.353 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm very happy with my daughters. 23:12.373 --> 23:16.954 [SPEAKER_01]: I think it's such a rude question that people ask, people say the craziest things. 23:17.374 --> 23:19.815 [SPEAKER_02]: Do you remember when your parents told you 23:22.356 --> 23:39.245 [SPEAKER_01]: Um, you know, so I actually remember my mom had a miscarriage, um, like before she was successfully pregnant with my sister and I remember that and I remember I feel like we all sort of rationalize like, oh, like mom's gonna have another baby and then she didn't and I was pretty young. 23:39.265 --> 23:47.410 [SPEAKER_01]: I must have been like 10 when she had the miscarriage, so but I remember like learning, like not learning about it but knowing that like she was pregnant and she didn't have the baby. 23:47.950 --> 24:12.068 [SPEAKER_01]: And then I don't really remember like the feeling of like of knowing she was going to have another kid because we were I was like eleven but I remember when Erica was born like feeling this like parental sort of relationship with her and I think you have you were the youngest of older siblings I was the youngest by like fifteen nine almost twenty years 24:12.228 --> 24:30.007 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, so like you have the opposite experience where like they were maybe even like helping take care of you Right, you know, because I remember helping take care of my sister As a little kid like I remember like helping my parents like change her diapers and like take care of her and then the thing I remember most specifically is like 24:30.528 --> 24:56.610 [SPEAKER_01]: going on vacation as like a 13 and 14 year old boy and then like helping carry the stroller down like down the stairs and like doing all those things that you want to do as like a helpful boy you know you want to like be helpful and do stuff and I can't help but think like that must have been such a cheat code for my parents to have like two songs who would like help carry luggage and like you know put your sister in the car seat and like do all these things you know. 24:57.810 --> 25:05.823 [SPEAKER_02]: I love those stories because I mean I was the only child for the most part of my sisters or half sisters and they were out of the house, they were weddings will be my aunts. 25:06.708 --> 25:19.913 [SPEAKER_02]: The reason why I asked is because I know that in my family after Lyle was born there was a stretch where Hillary was just like we should have done a kid Yeah, I remember saying I don't think we can afford one Yeah, and that's how I feel about a third kid. 25:19.973 --> 25:21.693 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm like I don't think we can afford a third kid. 25:21.713 --> 25:30.996 [SPEAKER_02]: It was really this moment of like and I was the bad guy for a long time Not Hillary, you know, she she agreed with me with the same time and there was this real stretch. 25:31.077 --> 25:31.857 [SPEAKER_02]: I was just like listen 25:32.677 --> 25:38.262 [SPEAKER_02]: If we were, you know, I was a welder at the time or, you know, or I was, we were in the restaurant industry. 25:38.282 --> 25:39.523 [SPEAKER_02]: It wasn't really paint very well. 25:39.583 --> 25:41.565 [SPEAKER_02]: And he was, everything was hard. 25:41.585 --> 25:42.967 [SPEAKER_02]: We didn't have family close by. 25:42.987 --> 25:48.492 [SPEAKER_02]: And it was really one of those things where it would have been like, I don't know how people do it with too frankly. 25:49.112 --> 26:05.084 [SPEAKER_01]: And I have multiple friends with four kids right now in this economy, and I'm like I know what you guys do to make a living and I don't see how it could be possible to like even just like 26:05.984 --> 26:21.878 [SPEAKER_01]: Feeding four kids plus you in your wife and doing anything outside of like surviving Like it seems so far out of reach economically for like anyone that I know and yet people are like oh You're having the third or fourth or like we want to have another on like you're insane 26:22.498 --> 26:27.703 [SPEAKER_02]: You know, I was, I said, I remember having this conversation, I was just like, look, this is hard enough as it is. 26:28.383 --> 26:29.604 [SPEAKER_02]: I want us to be able to help. 26:29.965 --> 26:35.770 [SPEAKER_02]: I don't want Lyle to have a person in college, like how would we pay for college for two kids? 26:35.790 --> 26:42.876 [SPEAKER_02]: And in my opinion on colleges is like, I really wanted in terms of, you know, confidence being, giving your child confidence. 26:43.116 --> 26:44.978 [SPEAKER_02]: I wanted, I wanted my daughter to think. 26:45.710 --> 26:48.732 [SPEAKER_02]: You know, we're investing in you before you. 26:48.792 --> 26:49.832 [SPEAKER_02]: We don't want there to be any. 26:50.253 --> 27:07.083 [SPEAKER_01]: We don't want to have any kind of speed bumps or blocks training you from finding the success that you have we want to give you as much we can now and reaching your potential you know without feeling this like guilt of like oh my god, I'm going to be right with that or I'm going to sound of my parents with that because that happens to a lot of people where they're like 27:07.663 --> 27:16.638 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, like I would love to do this, but it's just there's no way I can ever afford it and then you settle for something else and you know your life, you know the trajectory of your whole life. 27:17.287 --> 27:25.713 [SPEAKER_02]: The craziest part is I'm definitely not the smartest in the family and I compared to my wife I always got two master's degrees, so I mean that's right off the bat from Columbia. 27:27.114 --> 27:29.036 [SPEAKER_02]: She's way smarter than I am. 27:29.136 --> 27:45.088 [SPEAKER_02]: And for me to say like listen we want to be able to travel if we want, if we have one kid we can travel, we can there's opportunities for us to be able to do things for fun and maybe we can really save for college thank god Hillary got us started saving for college before you know once she was when she was 27:45.708 --> 28:10.107 [SPEAKER_01]: Right after she was born we were able to help allow that with that, but it was like Yeah, yeah, it would have been it it would have been in in impossible Oh, yeah, I mean I look at my a guy that I work with right his him and his wife had twins to start and then they had two more boys Like 18 months apart kind of each time and you know, he's going into college now like his two boys are applying for colleges now and 28:11.588 --> 28:17.133 [SPEAKER_01]: You know, even just books and food, like even if they go to, you know, you know, reasonable, you know, whatever. 28:17.193 --> 28:18.594 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, we're in New York State. 28:18.614 --> 28:20.596 [SPEAKER_01]: We have some of the best state schools in the country. 28:20.616 --> 28:21.336 [SPEAKER_02]: Some of the best. 28:21.557 --> 28:32.565 [SPEAKER_01]: And now I don't know if Lila looked in state, but now the competition to get into the state schools is unbelievable from what I've been taught. 28:32.606 --> 28:38.670 [SPEAKER_01]: Like to get into some of the Sunis in like, you know, an upstate New York. 28:40.732 --> 28:59.245 [SPEAKER_01]: new-palt and, yeah, all these Sudanese are becoming so competitive because people have finally like kind of come, I think, to the other side of the private school sort of hype and been like, hey, if my kids not sure what they want to do and they want to stay in New York anyway, like, of course, they should go to a state school and it's less expensive. 28:59.265 --> 29:04.329 [SPEAKER_01]: It's dramatically less expensive, but long story short is like, you know, his boys are looking potentially in 29:08.372 --> 29:19.807 [SPEAKER_01]: like and I know how much he gets paid and I'm like I can't imagine how you add that to your life if you're going to try to help and obviously not everybody's parents are able to help and student loans are there for a reason but 29:20.606 --> 29:41.505 [SPEAKER_01]: You know, you've got two kids that are going and then the second day basically like the second day like make their beds at college his next one's going to be going So then he'll have three and then he's got a little bit of a gap and then the fourth one will be going and yeah none of them will be in the house But they'll all be you know trying to try and make it in the world and it's just it's it's 29:42.245 --> 29:46.227 [SPEAKER_01]: seems like just incredibly stressful economically. 29:46.307 --> 29:55.333 [SPEAKER_01]: And I think about, you know, our economics here, you know, with just two little girls that have like very little expense, but it all just seems so expensive. 29:55.413 --> 29:59.635 [SPEAKER_01]: And again, similar to what you said, like, my parents helped me with college. 29:59.755 --> 30:02.237 [SPEAKER_01]: They were able to help my sister with college, my brother, whatever. 30:02.597 --> 30:09.401 [SPEAKER_01]: Like, I would rather, I would rather be able to give more to two children than less to three, I think. 30:09.961 --> 30:25.349 [SPEAKER_01]: You know, but you never know my wife and I are always like we're not having another kid right and we all People's like ask the question That being said, you know, I'm taking some I'm taking some steps to prevent a third kid That's what it that way, you know Yeah, well, you got it. 30:25.669 --> 30:26.650 [SPEAKER_02]: I've taken that step. 30:26.990 --> 30:33.193 [SPEAKER_02]: I've taken that step Yep, and I was actually speaking at which I was told that I had a very fine vast Deference by the way 30:33.693 --> 30:39.135 [SPEAKER_02]: My neurologist said I had a fine rest effort and I said I didn't know if he meant fine isn't it? 30:39.675 --> 30:46.678 [SPEAKER_02]: The thinness or the smoothness or the coarseness or it was like, I got one sexy vast effort in the bubble. 30:46.698 --> 30:47.278 [SPEAKER_02]: There you go. 30:47.358 --> 30:51.020 [SPEAKER_02]: I didn't know, but at the same time it was like, I'm glad I did it and I didn't go. 30:51.580 --> 31:07.602 [SPEAKER_02]: However, it's just I also probably had some I probably had some trauma about my dad having so many kids It's just being yeah, I ain't gonna do this to Mike to Lila But you know what getting on this is kind of what I wanted to think so what I want to talk about and The crazy part is is nowadays the technology 31:08.223 --> 31:29.805 [SPEAKER_02]: college students now are straddle with not just the debt and everything like that, but there and a lot of people think that college is this is this is this is you're getting college education as a promise of a future career which I don't believe and I think that I think that the more important thing about college is it it teaches a kid how to live on their own and how to meet deadlines and 31:30.245 --> 31:40.207 [SPEAKER_02]: interact with other people and to live on your own and to be able to meet people who have different opinions of yours and I think that a college experience is a lot more than just finding courage. 31:40.247 --> 31:43.108 [SPEAKER_02]: Some people think it's just finding courage and I find that to be obnoxious. 31:43.348 --> 31:53.470 [SPEAKER_02]: However, people now who are looking at these blue chip careers, I'm calling it blue chip careers, like computer sciences, are getting screwed. 31:53.930 --> 31:54.810 [SPEAKER_02]: Because now, 31:55.730 --> 32:02.735 [SPEAKER_02]: their job market in computer programming computer sciences are like is because of AI is dropping. 32:03.135 --> 32:13.702 [SPEAKER_02]: So for the past four years, I mean when did you really start seeing AI being part of the the conversation in terms of society and technology three years ago? 32:14.462 --> 32:21.927 [SPEAKER_01]: I feel like, I mean, I know that in my, like, so for anyone listening that doesn't know about my career. 32:21.947 --> 32:27.010 [SPEAKER_01]: Like, I have a, like, a white collar career outside of what everyone knows that I do. 32:27.610 --> 32:31.633 [SPEAKER_01]: And I saw it, I would say, two years ago where, like, I had, like, 32:32.413 --> 33:00.693 [SPEAKER_01]: like my legal team that I work with was like using AI to summarize legalies that we could avoid because we have an in-house legal counsel and then we have outside legal counsel and if anyone knows anything about lawyers outside legal counsel is like a thousand dollars an hour right so like we would like I remember the first time my my internal counsel said oh I ran this through chat GPT and here's what came back and I was like what are you talking about right 33:01.193 --> 33:15.178 [SPEAKER_01]: and right then it was like the first time that I saw like a professional lean on AI for another professional thing, because I had been using it to like make renderings and do all these other little sort of like you know like 33:16.939 --> 33:32.594 [SPEAKER_01]: bullshit things right and now i think about like the way it's going to change like you said these blue chip careers accounting legal um you know even just health health is it'll be a huge one and it's like how can 33:33.415 --> 33:35.898 [SPEAKER_01]: Anyone in school who's like anyone that's going to school. 33:35.918 --> 33:51.555 [SPEAKER_01]: It's being like, oh, I really want to be an accountant not be like, well, instead of being like 20 people out of firm, there's going to be like four people and those four people are going to be like just people that clients feel like talking to, but there's going to be some sort of model doing everything. 33:51.975 --> 34:14.754 [SPEAKER_01]: you know what I mean and then you know but I do I do feel that there is there's a sort of a like a focused, a focused beam being put on like a few things that are kind of not anti-AI because that's not the right word but they are like counter to the use of AI and those are where I don't think the dust is settled yet but I feel like 34:15.735 --> 34:23.256 [SPEAKER_01]: Maybe 12, 24 months from now, the bright spots of like non-affected jobs will be really, really prevalent. 34:23.597 --> 34:33.418 [SPEAKER_02]: You know, but it's interesting because, you know, I remember when Lila first went to college, you used to start to think about like, showing up, pressuring her in terms of kind of like having a career choice. 34:33.478 --> 34:41.840 [SPEAKER_02]: But I believe, especially that like, you need to put your time and energy into the thing you want to do in your life early. 34:42.300 --> 34:51.090 [SPEAKER_02]: because if you can get the reps in and then you can get better at it and as long as longer that you get better at it, it might be something that you become very much more necessary than you realize. 34:51.711 --> 34:56.937 [SPEAKER_02]: And so I wasn't really pushing her, but I was the same time I was just like, you know, you should find something you really love and try to be good at it. 34:57.678 --> 35:04.760 [SPEAKER_02]: So yeah, but we never thought about we have friends I got a friend who has got up there They're both in the tech industry. 35:04.780 --> 35:24.425 [SPEAKER_02]: They're both in computer science and they you know are basically you know making they're having their kid getting involved with the family business being computer science Yeah, and all I can think of is this kids going to cause you never have any work And and and it concerns me only because I say to Lila and I'll often I said you've got to find something 35:25.165 --> 35:50.802 [SPEAKER_02]: that is really, really important to you, but also something it isn't, that you can actually find some work doing because now these jobs, meta just cut 10% of their workforce, all these tech giants, I know accounts who've already, you know, cut loose, a good amount of their, a good amount of, you know, you were mentioning accounts, I know accounts who have cut loose a lot of their staff, just because they can, you know, using the efficiencies that AI provides them. 35:51.142 --> 35:53.783 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, I mean, so, so I'll give you a perfect example on that. 35:53.823 --> 35:56.684 [SPEAKER_01]: Like every year, I buy a lot of stuff on Amazon. 35:56.884 --> 36:02.325 [SPEAKER_01]: Every year, I would manually go and I would categorize my Amazon spending for my accountant, right? 36:02.706 --> 36:03.586 [SPEAKER_01]: What was tools? 36:03.966 --> 36:05.286 [SPEAKER_01]: What was electronics? 36:05.346 --> 36:07.927 [SPEAKER_01]: And then I would write that off against my business, right? 36:07.967 --> 36:09.388 [SPEAKER_01]: Hey, I spent $10,000 on tools. 36:10.788 --> 36:12.530 [SPEAKER_01]: they are all pertinent to this, whatever. 36:12.890 --> 36:19.216 [SPEAKER_01]: This year I took my Amazon spending sheet, which you can download from Amazon for anybody that buys a lot of stuff on Amazon. 36:19.536 --> 36:21.919 [SPEAKER_01]: You can download your spending sheet from Amazon. 36:22.019 --> 36:23.700 [SPEAKER_01]: I put it right into chat GPT. 36:23.780 --> 36:33.650 [SPEAKER_01]: I said, build me a consolidated summary of where I spent money on an applicable business expenses and in like one minute. 36:34.110 --> 36:44.833 [SPEAKER_01]: I had a beautiful breakdown with a pie chart, and all this stuff, and I pay an accounting team monthly to do my accounting, and that's what I would normally be paying them to do. 36:45.333 --> 36:49.455 [SPEAKER_01]: And Chatchy PD did it in literally like probably two minutes. 36:49.515 --> 37:00.038 [SPEAKER_01]: And obviously I had to go through it, I had to check it, and I had to make some changes, but even to get you, you know, it's be like Jeff, it'd be like the equivalent of someone being like, hey, I'll do 37:00.898 --> 37:04.579 [SPEAKER_01]: I'll get you through seven grits of your hand sanding in one minute. 37:04.719 --> 37:07.560 [SPEAKER_01]: And all you have to do is make sure there isn't like a little swiromark. 37:07.900 --> 37:08.520 [SPEAKER_01]: You know what I mean? 37:08.861 --> 37:10.561 [SPEAKER_01]: Like it's like getting a change, everything. 37:10.661 --> 37:11.902 [SPEAKER_02]: It's just getting my stuff water. 37:11.942 --> 37:13.142 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, no, but I think it's beyond. 37:13.162 --> 37:16.463 [SPEAKER_01]: Because water jet is like a small laborious step. 37:16.743 --> 37:20.844 [SPEAKER_01]: The things that chatGPT are doing is like all of the hard work. 37:21.104 --> 37:21.745 [SPEAKER_01]: You know what I mean? 37:22.045 --> 37:28.887 [SPEAKER_01]: Where it'd be like, hey, I will, I will, I'll cut the scales, I'll glue the scales, I'll rough the scales, you gotta polish them. 37:29.087 --> 37:52.047 [SPEAKER_01]: you know what i mean like just as like a reference but um so yeah i mean it's uh it's it's crazy it's crazy i think it's great i think i think it's gonna be learned i think it's gonna be it's gonna be learned to be honed in the right way uh but one of the things i was going to say about like career wise though is like i think about the way that 37:53.255 --> 38:16.536 [SPEAKER_01]: People skills are like diminished just over time right like everybody is more like insulin and like they're they're like no one's learning how to interact with other people I feel like this new generation like your daughter's generation like the most important skill that I feel like she's gonna need and like especially my kids will need is like Just to be somebody that other people want in the room regardless of their skill set because at the end of the day 38:17.237 --> 38:21.940 [SPEAKER_01]: you still need to have people running these businesses and interacting with other people. 38:22.660 --> 38:33.707 [SPEAKER_01]: And if you can have the models do like 90% of the work, but you can have like somebody who's really personable or engaging or really creative at the helm of your business, like that's what's going to be the thing that gets people jobs. 38:34.207 --> 38:46.954 [SPEAKER_01]: You know, I think so because I know like at least in my career like I'm not the most qualified person that does my job, but I have my job because I'm I'm easy to I can easily deal with other people. 38:47.195 --> 38:49.416 [SPEAKER_01]: No, I mean I make them feel comfortable. 38:49.516 --> 38:52.258 [SPEAKER_02]: You know, that's a very flippered way of why you're important. 38:52.278 --> 38:54.299 [SPEAKER_02]: I mean you put the time in your connections. 38:55.019 --> 39:02.362 [SPEAKER_02]: I'm just saying that like you gotta give yourself a lot more credit, your far more wise in your experience and trusted than just a little bit. 39:02.402 --> 39:09.686 [SPEAKER_01]: Well, yeah, but part of it, part of it is also just like being able to be creative and like be productive to the conversation. 39:09.706 --> 39:10.586 [SPEAKER_01]: Let's put it that way, right? 39:10.606 --> 39:17.909 [SPEAKER_01]: Because there are plenty of people that I work with that like on paper may or may not be more qualified, right? 39:19.650 --> 39:44.888 [SPEAKER_01]: but they are they are like they don't say a word they're like you know just a person in a chair where like when it comes time to solving hard problems they only know like the black and white straight line approach where you need to have the like the creativity and the confidence to be like no we're gonna do it we're gonna do it this way right and even if it's not right it just gets other people thinking right and then it gets them you know engaged in like okay well at least we're 39:47.730 --> 39:59.354 [SPEAKER_02]: Well, I totally know you mean, I think that that comes with the concept of problem solving in general and I think that there are certain things that, you know, there are certain people are very resourceful and some aren't. 39:59.675 --> 40:02.276 [SPEAKER_02]: And I think they are proven yourself to be resourceful. 40:02.756 --> 40:05.877 [SPEAKER_02]: And I think that that's sometimes more valuable than anything else. 40:06.337 --> 40:11.099 [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, it's interesting because since we started doing knife talk almost 10 years ago. 40:11.619 --> 40:11.919 [SPEAKER_01]: Wow. 40:12.019 --> 40:12.300 [SPEAKER_01]: Great. 40:12.360 --> 40:27.212 [SPEAKER_02]: Originally, we originally started talking about how you had to train your customers and hate using the word train, but that's the way it is to understand that when you're getting something custom-made, it's not going to be by it now and ship Sam is on prime. 40:27.252 --> 40:38.441 [SPEAKER_02]: That was a good few years of the conversation of how do you convince an audience who's used to getting something the same day or the next day that you can take your six months to get this knife. 40:39.161 --> 40:47.509 [SPEAKER_02]: Now the interesting thing is, and I thought, I didn't say it on the podcast, but I thought it was the death now of human craft. 40:47.649 --> 40:53.414 [SPEAKER_02]: I thought that craft was over, and everything's going to be on Amazon, and I was really kind of like bummed out about it. 40:53.714 --> 40:57.798 [SPEAKER_02]: My business right now, we were looking at May, we have never been better. 40:58.398 --> 40:59.438 [SPEAKER_02]: Really, that's amazing. 40:59.739 --> 41:00.419 [SPEAKER_02]: It's crazy. 41:00.459 --> 41:03.660 [SPEAKER_02]: We have two different, we were having a meeting this morning or talking about it. 41:03.920 --> 41:08.102 [SPEAKER_02]: And here's the best part about what's going on with Fader Nives is my business partner Tony is fabulous. 41:08.402 --> 41:12.983 [SPEAKER_02]: And I know when things are good because when he comes down, we can goof around. 41:13.483 --> 41:15.424 [SPEAKER_02]: Like, we can talk about what we're talking about. 41:15.444 --> 41:25.868 [SPEAKER_02]: This book we've been flowing around with for a while and we'll talk about other things because businesses may have been the most consistent may as we've ever had by a mile. 41:26.348 --> 41:29.431 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, business now for us and I'm convinced there's two things. 41:29.611 --> 41:48.967 [SPEAKER_02]: One thing is I'm convinced that people are starting to want to identify with humanity And they see me doing the Instagram stuff and I'm trying to do more stuff in the shops so people can kind of see where things are coming from and I'm getting a lot of really interesting responses to that It was meant to be for my customers and not for knife makers, but it is what it is. 41:49.827 --> 41:54.690 [SPEAKER_02]: And I felt, I feel as though we're seeing a lot more data in regards to new customers. 41:55.110 --> 41:57.212 [SPEAKER_02]: Part of it's because we're getting more visibility, too. 41:57.852 --> 42:06.918 [SPEAKER_02]: In and more visibility as well, but at the same time, I really feel this interesting connection that people want to have a connection with the things that they're buying. 42:07.758 --> 42:09.718 [SPEAKER_02]: and we really we can't discount it. 42:10.339 --> 42:30.643 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah and that's I mean that's such an encouraging that's such an encouraging thing and I feel like you know I've always been incredibly impressed with the business that you guys have been able to kind of put together in the fact that you're a working knife maker at the scale that you are because I really do think that it's rare and 42:30.963 --> 42:57.913 [SPEAKER_01]: you know what I mean and as someone that dabbled in knife making so long ago and like learned a bit of the economics of you know what it takes to be a successful knife maker that isn't just doing the like you know whatever it is like 12 knives a year at the most maximum amount of money that you could possibly sell them for so I think it's it's you know this is a totally different thing and it's it's it's really encouraging to think that you guys are part 42:58.533 --> 42:59.614 [SPEAKER_01]: doing well in that way. 42:59.654 --> 43:00.174 [SPEAKER_01]: I love that. 43:00.394 --> 43:01.155 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. 43:01.275 --> 43:02.616 [SPEAKER_01]: What are you selling the most of? 43:02.696 --> 43:03.317 [SPEAKER_01]: Are you selling? 43:03.517 --> 43:10.222 [SPEAKER_02]: Well, the most of is the patron, the patron saint of chef knives, Bob, every day's feasting. 43:10.242 --> 43:12.664 [SPEAKER_02]: My man, my man, every day's feasting. 43:12.704 --> 43:13.404 [SPEAKER_02]: Bob Morano. 43:13.905 --> 43:17.167 [SPEAKER_02]: So about two years ago, I saw this guy at Bob. 43:17.187 --> 43:17.948 [SPEAKER_02]: He started following me. 43:17.988 --> 43:19.149 [SPEAKER_02]: He's a Hudson Valley guy. 43:19.229 --> 43:20.430 [SPEAKER_02]: He's up in the high park. 43:21.170 --> 43:24.353 [SPEAKER_02]: And he was doing these videos, but he has got bald head and he wears a chef coat. 43:24.373 --> 43:31.460 [SPEAKER_02]: And I was like a part-eagle, he wears the, you probably seen these videos, he wears white shirt and it looks like he looks a good cook. 43:31.500 --> 43:43.190 [SPEAKER_02]: He doesn't look like a chef and he talks to people in this nice way and he had like no followers and I started sending him, he starts sending you messages and I say, you know what, you know, why don't you, why don't you have one of my knives just using good health and, and 43:44.031 --> 43:44.772 [SPEAKER_02]: He blew up. 43:45.052 --> 43:51.797 [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, he's got millions of, I'd also social media and he always used my knife and we've been giving 10. 43:51.937 --> 43:52.537 [SPEAKER_02]: Amazing. 43:52.557 --> 43:57.340 [SPEAKER_02]: We knife we sell 10% goes to this cancer charity called Sparrow's Nest. 43:57.961 --> 43:59.402 [SPEAKER_02]: We do with all the collaborations. 43:59.422 --> 44:00.723 [SPEAKER_02]: You know, give it whatever. 44:01.343 --> 44:16.071 [SPEAKER_02]: So, Sparrow'sness is this local charity that feeds families who, one of the parents or one of the people in the family or going through cancer, you can't be fooling around with dinner sometimes. 44:16.411 --> 44:24.358 [SPEAKER_02]: So, of course, Sparrow's Nest does as they make food for families and send food to families who are dealing with cancer. 44:24.898 --> 44:28.401 [SPEAKER_02]: We're getting this fucking Bob Marana, his soul worker, I'm not. 44:29.222 --> 44:31.023 [SPEAKER_02]: And we're getting these love notes. 44:31.043 --> 44:37.228 [SPEAKER_02]: And the funny thing is, is so our accountant, in the house accountant, Megan sends the checks to Sparrow's Nest. 44:37.569 --> 44:40.011 [SPEAKER_02]: But it's all, it's our business addresses, my address. 44:40.611 --> 44:42.573 [SPEAKER_02]: I get these love notes from Sparrow's Nest. 44:43.393 --> 44:47.957 [SPEAKER_02]: And Megan is like, Megan is like, I mean, I never give him to Megan, but I'm a whole them all. 44:47.997 --> 44:53.662 [SPEAKER_02]: And then let's tell Megan, I said, you ever show up Dutch is county, they're going to put you on a, they're going to put you on a float. 44:53.682 --> 44:56.044 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, they're going to carry you through the streets. 44:56.064 --> 45:00.228 [SPEAKER_02]: Megan, I can't think, you know, I mean, we're paying the electric bill and it's a lot of it. 45:00.408 --> 45:09.796 [SPEAKER_02]: But so, so part of it is is like getting organic alignment with a hating that, but organic relationships with, with, um, 45:10.697 --> 45:13.518 [SPEAKER_02]: Cook people who cook and like to cook and use my knives. 45:13.918 --> 45:14.179 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah. 45:14.319 --> 45:27.704 [SPEAKER_02]: Bob is he uses my knives and then he loves using the the she loves supporting charity because his wife had gone through it and that was a charity that works with him and then we're working with this guy Cody tries to price things he's fantastic. 45:27.744 --> 45:29.325 [SPEAKER_02]: He's got Cody Lewis's hilarious. 45:29.905 --> 45:33.987 [SPEAKER_02]: And we're doing, we're trying to create these like real, these organic relationships. 45:34.228 --> 45:34.748 [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, yeah. 45:34.848 --> 45:35.628 [SPEAKER_02]: And those are better. 45:35.648 --> 45:38.450 [SPEAKER_02]: We had a PR company last year, and they were setting it. 45:38.490 --> 45:39.811 [SPEAKER_02]: And they did a great job. 45:39.831 --> 45:43.713 [SPEAKER_02]: They got us, we got some knives on the TV show, hopefully, crossing the fingers. 45:43.773 --> 45:46.935 [SPEAKER_02]: I sent seven knives to the last season of the bear. 45:47.395 --> 45:50.037 [SPEAKER_02]: So we may be, hopefully, that's a good thing. 45:50.077 --> 45:57.241 [SPEAKER_02]: But we started doing these like quick pro quo things with these influencers. 45:57.261 --> 45:59.122 [SPEAKER_02]: And it was just like, it was just a slog. 45:59.722 --> 46:05.104 [SPEAKER_02]: Now, yeah, having these organic relationships with people we like and they like us, it's meant everything. 46:05.524 --> 46:06.165 [SPEAKER_01]: 100%. 46:06.185 --> 46:07.145 [SPEAKER_01]: 100%. 46:07.185 --> 46:19.030 [SPEAKER_01]: And it's so funny because I was just talking to somebody yesterday about social media just says like a tool and I had a conversation with him and I had a conversation with someone else. 46:19.050 --> 46:23.632 [SPEAKER_01]: So like I bought a new truck, like whatever it was, like all the things to go. 46:24.132 --> 46:27.013 [SPEAKER_01]: And the finance manager was like, 46:27.293 --> 46:51.048 [SPEAKER_01]: oh like what do you do like what's this business you know she's like going through my my church is giving me like a colonoscopy over my like income and I'm like oh well I have this business called make everything she's like what is that I'm like it's you know it's a I said it's a fabricating business but it's mainly a content business and she's like what does that mean so I'm like explaining it to her and she's like listening but not really listening and then in the end she's like oh my son just started a business where he's doing like tent rental 46:51.628 --> 46:53.529 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't like well, what's he doing on social media? 46:53.589 --> 46:54.689 [SPEAKER_01]: She's like, oh, nothing yet. 46:54.849 --> 46:55.130 [SPEAKER_01]: I go. 46:55.210 --> 46:56.070 [SPEAKER_01]: So I go. 46:56.090 --> 46:56.710 [SPEAKER_01]: That's the problem. 46:56.750 --> 47:02.833 [SPEAKER_01]: I said before he started a business where he like went on and printed like 10,000 fucking business cards and threw out through waste his money. 47:03.193 --> 47:06.434 [SPEAKER_01]: He should be really aggressively posted on social media. 47:06.454 --> 47:07.394 [SPEAKER_01]: She's like, well, what would he post? 47:07.455 --> 47:08.155 [SPEAKER_01]: It's just tense. 47:08.235 --> 47:08.415 [SPEAKER_01]: I go. 47:08.695 --> 47:09.836 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, that's the thing though. 47:10.096 --> 47:24.985 [SPEAKER_01]: She should be he should be posting like anything that's not like right in your face Like where he's trying to ram it down your throat, but he should be showing like when they set up a tent How they don't fuck up your yard how like look how beautiful it looks look at this amazing party that we threw and she's like Well, he has done that many parties yet. 47:25.005 --> 47:33.550 [SPEAKER_01]: He's also than he should make a fake party He should throw a party in your backyard and do an amazing job and then turn it into like 20 pieces of content I said because he's 47:33.770 --> 47:55.861 [SPEAKER_01]: I said because the people that are going to book him are going to be someone that saw him on Instagram and you know there is somebody's wife or husband or whatever kid says oh my god I saw this like really beautiful tent that this person did and you know I can tell you right now some of my most successful content is stuff that I did three years ago that I just keep recycling and I'm not a business that me I'm not a service business but if I wanted to be 47:56.441 --> 47:57.501 [SPEAKER_01]: That's exactly how I would do it. 47:57.621 --> 48:02.823 [SPEAKER_01]: And it was so funny because it's like, lady, I'm giving you free, I'm giving you free game here. 48:03.063 --> 48:19.327 [SPEAKER_01]: Like, I'm giving you free, tried and tested information that is allowing me to like, like, I am a self-supported content creator making most of my money on the content itself, not the things that I'm making in the content. 48:19.767 --> 48:44.652 [SPEAKER_01]: And she was looking at me like I had like five heads and I'm like lady I just gave you like the two-minute exact key to your son being successful in social media And I said I literally and anybody that I meet that is interested in social media I always tell them like hey if you want send me a message I'll take a look at their page and I can give them some tips You know again, this is free right and she kind of was like oh, yeah, you know, and I'm like okay You you you you miss the value here. 48:44.972 --> 48:47.033 [SPEAKER_01]: You know, I don't want to like I'm not talking about my own success 48:49.133 --> 48:51.695 [SPEAKER_01]: I have a six figure content business, right? 48:52.015 --> 49:06.764 [SPEAKER_01]: That's more than I ever could have expected and it's not that hard when you have a physical business to utilize the free social media, to grow your business meanwhile, you know, everybody else is like, oh well, I got to like hang a flyer in my local bagel store. 49:07.164 --> 49:07.705 [SPEAKER_01]: You know what I mean? 49:07.985 --> 49:09.166 [SPEAKER_01]: It's exciting. 49:09.506 --> 49:16.092 [SPEAKER_02]: I hate to say this, but when you talk to people that way, I've known so many friends mine who have been restaurants years ago, and they know better. 49:16.652 --> 49:18.234 [SPEAKER_02]: It's almost like a waste of your energy. 49:19.115 --> 49:19.975 [SPEAKER_02]: 100%. 49:20.356 --> 49:25.820 [SPEAKER_02]: It's almost like, when we get messages from people in the front of the knife talk, and we have the greatest listeners. 49:25.880 --> 49:27.422 [SPEAKER_02]: But at the same time, we get this one all the time. 49:27.462 --> 49:28.563 [SPEAKER_02]: Should I go full time or not? 49:29.023 --> 49:30.885 [SPEAKER_02]: And part of me wants to say, if you've got to ask me, 49:32.085 --> 49:32.506 [SPEAKER_02]: than you should. 49:32.526 --> 49:35.767 [SPEAKER_02]: You need a fucking podcast host to tell you how to live your life. 49:36.027 --> 49:36.728 [SPEAKER_02]: You fucked. 49:37.088 --> 49:37.548 [SPEAKER_02]: You fucked. 49:38.068 --> 49:41.650 [SPEAKER_02]: And we I usually refer to it now as we've ruined many lives. 49:42.871 --> 49:44.251 [SPEAKER_02]: And it's you have to have it. 49:44.371 --> 49:46.432 [SPEAKER_02]: You have to understand have it in you, you know. 49:46.613 --> 49:46.853 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah. 49:46.993 --> 49:53.236 [SPEAKER_02]: But the interesting thing is I've noticed that our business growing in a way that's incredibly positive to the point where 49:53.756 --> 50:01.579 [SPEAKER_02]: We're really looking at different things, especially growth, and we're also looking at other people who were told that they couldn't get it done. 50:01.999 --> 50:05.681 [SPEAKER_02]: You know, what Josh Smith has done with Montana and I've company is nothing short about standing. 50:05.981 --> 50:06.741 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, it's incredible. 50:06.861 --> 50:07.422 [SPEAKER_01]: It's incredible. 50:07.582 --> 50:08.282 [SPEAKER_01]: It's incredible. 50:08.682 --> 50:17.966 [SPEAKER_02]: A lot of it is, and it brings me back to you, and one of the things I think about you and I think about Josh too in regards to this is, there's a degree of fearlessness. 50:18.506 --> 50:25.772 [SPEAKER_01]: Josh's degree of fearlessness, and he's got a different level of fearlessness. 50:26.032 --> 50:29.575 [SPEAKER_02]: No, but I mean, I feel like you have that same fearlessness. 50:29.695 --> 50:46.248 [SPEAKER_02]: And the part of it is, is I wonder, because of your youth being a BMX, bike rider, and you do tricks, and you do all these incredibly dangerous and amazing videos of you, I feel like you were perfect, I don't know if you mentioned if you're professional or almost professional, but 50:46.868 --> 50:52.898 [SPEAKER_02]: There was a degree of like, I mean, you know, there was a time where you thought that this was gonna be your life, right? 50:52.918 --> 51:01.611 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and I was actually, I was a professional, and it was my life, I mean, but it was a life that's like, it's not a sustainable life in any way. 51:02.272 --> 51:15.905 [SPEAKER_02]: However, however see I see what I see is and there's another there's a knife maker's name is J. Maad is Jason Monica and he makes a Jason like he's J. Maad knives He's his professional skateboarder. 51:16.066 --> 51:16.846 [SPEAKER_02]: He makes knives. 51:17.407 --> 51:18.027 [SPEAKER_02]: I feel like 51:18.868 --> 51:46.816 [SPEAKER_02]: You have a degree of fearlessness that comes from that in terms of not afraid of getting hurt like when you when you when I see some of the videos that of you doing these tricks I'm just like there's got to be hundreds and thousands of times of you like eating it and I feel as though some people Even at our early age when they have the opportunity to do something and then they understand that there are consequences the actions They get a little bit and bless they give a little bit more fearful later in life 51:47.316 --> 51:47.616 [SPEAKER_01]: Mm-hmm. 51:48.317 --> 52:06.105 [SPEAKER_01]: It's so funny that you bring that up as a reference because I use that as a reference for making videos on YouTube so like so when I was Coming up in BMX the only way to become recognized was to like make videos and like you know at the at that time You would almost call like we called it a sponsor me tape, right? 52:06.125 --> 52:12.748 [SPEAKER_01]: So you would basically like film yourself like skateboarding or riding bikes or whatever snowboarding and then you would try to get that in front of a company 52:13.228 --> 52:18.949 [SPEAKER_01]: and hope that they recognize it and then maybe they would send you free stuff and then maybe that would be you know, nurtured or whatever. 52:20.329 --> 52:31.691 [SPEAKER_01]: And so just to kind of like breeze past that, but the whole point is that to get like a four-second clip when I was a pro-bike rider, sometimes would take me like multiple days. 52:31.931 --> 52:32.091 [SPEAKER_01]: Right? 52:32.131 --> 52:40.353 [SPEAKER_01]: Like I would or like I would have to drive to a spot and try something and get hurt and like, you know, I got I've had multiple concussions and broken bones and all these different things. 52:40.853 --> 52:48.496 [SPEAKER_01]: And like then I started making YouTube videos in my shop and I was like talking to my BMX friends and being like Guys, everyone says this is hard. 52:48.696 --> 52:50.417 [SPEAKER_01]: This is so fucking easy. 52:50.517 --> 53:02.141 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, compared to having to like try a trick for like two days and Like beat myself to death just to get this one clip that like is a flash in the pan in the actual video itself. 53:02.181 --> 53:05.563 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm like now I'm making YouTube videos where all I have to do is like 53:06.363 --> 53:32.483 [SPEAKER_01]: make something and it's all like right out in front of me like it was just a such a funny like related but um separate experience but it it what it what it taught me and when I think a lot of the it's funny there's a few guys a few business kind of like guru guys on social media now who were like x-caporders and they talk about the value of the perseverance in extreme sports and how it was like the most 53:33.163 --> 53:42.231 [SPEAKER_01]: Important life lesson that they learned was the value of like never giving up no matter how small the payoff is Right, you learn that from extreme sports. 53:42.251 --> 53:49.677 [SPEAKER_01]: I think you learned it from a lot of sports, but I think particularly like extreme sports And I would say like even going over into like gymnastics 53:50.730 --> 53:54.894 [SPEAKER_01]: Um, you learn that this like you will not get it on the first try. 53:54.914 --> 53:58.317 [SPEAKER_01]: You might not get it on the hundredth try, but you won't stop until you get it. 53:58.718 --> 54:03.482 [SPEAKER_01]: And I think that's part of the reason that, I mean, this is the 10 year anniversary of make everything. 54:03.863 --> 54:05.164 [SPEAKER_01]: So this is like a big year. 54:05.204 --> 54:11.470 [SPEAKER_01]: We're having, uh, you know, where we're going to have a little party later, uh, in, in this year in the fall to celebrate. 54:11.550 --> 54:12.851 [SPEAKER_01]: And I think the, 54:13.732 --> 54:23.695 [SPEAKER_01]: the only reason that the business is still here is just because of like the relentless persistence that I learned as a professional athlete, you know, as college as loosely as that is. 54:24.015 --> 54:37.120 [SPEAKER_01]: But all that to be said, it's like, you don't fearlessness is a thing, but I also think like you can have fear, but I think just knowing that you can keep going is is almost more important, you know? 54:37.640 --> 54:43.644 [SPEAKER_02]: I use the fearlessness in like, you know that you, there's a very good chance that you're going to fall and hurt yourself. 54:43.704 --> 54:45.184 [SPEAKER_02]: Yes, you're still willing to do it. 54:45.585 --> 54:47.606 [SPEAKER_02]: 100% That to me is the fearlessness part. 54:47.626 --> 54:51.488 [SPEAKER_02]: You're not afraid of hurting yourself in the moment and trying. 54:51.968 --> 54:57.852 [SPEAKER_02]: But it's interesting because it becomes a concept of fighting through and creating a degree of discipline. 54:58.712 --> 55:09.436 [SPEAKER_02]: And I think that, I mean, once again, you're being flip in regards to YouTube, I watch the videos you make of the very complex fabrications that you do. 55:10.016 --> 55:20.399 [SPEAKER_02]: And when you're doing these huge projects with thousands and thousands of dollars of the brass, that's not just making YouTube video. 55:20.579 --> 55:21.600 [SPEAKER_02]: You're working with, like, 55:22.140 --> 55:23.762 [SPEAKER_02]: you know, that's a high wire job. 55:24.022 --> 55:29.187 [SPEAKER_02]: I've done those jobs where I'm not the boss where I don't not the one who has to buy the bill by the the brass. 55:29.627 --> 55:35.253 [SPEAKER_02]: And I understand that that kind of tight white type rope walk it is in a situation like that. 55:35.313 --> 55:36.334 [SPEAKER_02]: Don't undersell yourself. 55:36.674 --> 55:40.057 [SPEAKER_02]: Because you're not, I mean, I see you as an just extraordinary fabricator. 55:40.378 --> 55:45.563 [SPEAKER_02]: And that's part of the fairlessness, too, is the fact that you're your own boss and make everything shop. 55:45.903 --> 56:09.368 [SPEAKER_02]: and you're able to take on these jobs that are like I just thinking about like the when you did the backdrop for for Andrew Schultz is his is his Netflix show which was outstanding and then when you did those huge doors I don't know that's to me like you did those huge bay doors I think was for a florist or something like that no those are for my friends arts studio 56:10.048 --> 56:13.071 [SPEAKER_02]: They were like 16 feet taller, something like that? 56:13.171 --> 56:15.012 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yeah, yeah, 16 feet taller. 56:15.092 --> 56:17.574 [SPEAKER_02]: I've hung doors before, I know how hard it is. 56:17.634 --> 56:26.601 [SPEAKER_02]: So you have a degree of fearlessness in regards to being able to meet a deadline and execute excellence. 56:26.941 --> 56:31.505 [SPEAKER_02]: And that's, I think part of that comes from your experience as a BMXer. 56:32.285 --> 56:32.766 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I think so. 56:32.786 --> 56:36.949 [SPEAKER_01]: You know, it's funny because I think about, I mean, it all comes with. 56:38.038 --> 56:44.003 [SPEAKER_01]: I think it all comes with kind of like a little bit of economic breathing room. 56:44.063 --> 56:52.111 [SPEAKER_01]: So like I can tell you this like when I first started my business and I've been very open with this like I had many years of like just full failure as a business, right? 56:52.131 --> 56:58.296 [SPEAKER_01]: Like no money like barely able to make ends meet thinking like this is the last month, you know like and then. 56:59.357 --> 57:26.575 [SPEAKER_01]: You know, as things got easier and now they I wouldn't say they're easy now, but they're the easiest that they've ever been the idea of taking that risk is just a little more like palatable, you know, or I'm like, you know what like like, you know when I talk about it on my Instagram like the brass the brass job that you're referring to right like that I think that stuff is $20 a linear foot and I was like talking about it on Instagram so I was like showing the scrap in and I was like, 57:27.155 --> 57:43.407 [SPEAKER_01]: Every single foot I cut off of this not because it's not because I made a mistake But you know when you've been material there's always like loss on the end Right, I was like every foot I cut off of this is like a pretty decent lunch Right, so like every bucket of scrap is like two three four hundred dollars and I think about like how now 57:44.207 --> 57:45.808 [SPEAKER_01]: It's just part of the job, you know what I mean? 57:45.848 --> 57:46.889 [SPEAKER_01]: Like it's cost of doing business. 57:46.929 --> 57:48.289 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't even really think about it. 57:48.370 --> 57:56.214 [SPEAKER_01]: It's like because it's baked into the price, but it's it took me probably I started doing those those brass sculptures eight years ago. 57:56.614 --> 57:59.856 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm sorry, not eight years ago, two years ago, after eight years of being in business. 58:00.237 --> 58:02.538 [SPEAKER_01]: And I remember when we did the first one, I was like, 58:02.938 --> 58:16.038 [SPEAKER_01]: flipping out over how much material we were going to need and I over bought like I bought way too much and then I like beg my metal supplier to take some of it back because I was like dude I fucked up like I bought like five extra sticks at $220 a stick. 58:17.961 --> 58:39.719 [SPEAKER_01]: and I was like I can't you know like it's he was killing me to have this extra material and now like even just two years later I'd be like I fucking will keep it and we'll use it on the next job yeah we'll use it for something else and like now we're we're on our we've made six of those sculptures that the piece that you're referring to and then we just got commissioned for a seventh one you know and now we are like the only game in town 58:40.660 --> 58:56.981 [SPEAKER_01]: that will make those and we've developed this like the system and we have like this you know amazing relationship with the artist and you know it's it's just it's so funny either way that you maybe even subconsciously become you know desensitized to the risk 58:57.482 --> 59:12.397 [SPEAKER_01]: you know it's no different than like if i think about your business right like when you first got your first like set of blanks water jet it was probably like this big you know this big concern right like i have all these i have all these knives right and like what if i i ordered a hundred what if i only sell ten and then i'll have ninety 59:12.877 --> 59:13.537 [SPEAKER_01]: You know what I mean? 59:14.678 --> 59:24.722 [SPEAKER_02]: That's interesting to mention that because I was going to talk about the difference between the two of us, but in regards to that, if I didn't have a business partner, I don't know if I would have been able to do it. 59:25.002 --> 59:27.243 [SPEAKER_02]: My business partner, he's fearless. 59:27.283 --> 59:28.344 [SPEAKER_02]: My business partner's being... 59:28.784 --> 59:30.264 [SPEAKER_02]: He says, just fucking buy it. 59:31.165 --> 59:33.726 [SPEAKER_02]: I'm the miser, and he's just shut up and buy it. 59:34.266 --> 59:37.110 [SPEAKER_02]: You know he we don't go crazy, but he's just like yeah, we got it. 59:37.150 --> 59:37.570 [SPEAKER_02]: We need this. 59:37.610 --> 59:45.098 [SPEAKER_02]: We can't grow he'll say we cannot grow if you cannot you know if you cannot you know meet certain Growth increments. 59:45.138 --> 59:48.442 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I mean way, but he's just like we can't afford not buy this 100% 59:49.643 --> 01:00:08.947 [SPEAKER_01]: I think there's obviously like pitfalls and and of trash so long the way with that on a look at somebody like Josh Smith With Montana and I've company in his like what is he at 50,000 square foot facility that he just built for whatever Or that he's trying to build I can't remember if he's like done with it, but like he's you know He's millions of dollars into that, right and he's putting everything into that. 01:00:08.967 --> 01:00:11.648 [SPEAKER_02]: He said his monthly amount is like he's got like a million dollar payroll 01:00:12.148 --> 01:00:12.609 [SPEAKER_01]: I believe it. 01:00:12.829 --> 01:00:19.858 [SPEAKER_01]: I believe that's believe it and and the thing that I think a lot of people get caught up in the weeds on is 01:00:21.477 --> 01:00:47.928 [SPEAKER_01]: this like and I think about it more and sort of like my universe and I try to encourage like other makers into this into this it's like you know you set yourself up to do one thing right like Josh Smith is setting himself up to make these knives right but if if tomorrow like the knife market and at least in his case right if tomorrow the knife market like just disappears right like goes from you know him selling you know probably 5,000 knives a month to zero 01:00:48.748 --> 01:00:52.311 [SPEAKER_01]: he didn't build a facility that could only make knives, right? 01:00:52.391 --> 01:01:01.779 [SPEAKER_01]: Like he could turn around the next day and start going after contracts for anything that is even somewhat adjacent to the skill set of his employees. 01:01:01.819 --> 01:01:03.961 [SPEAKER_01]: Now it obviously wouldn't be seamless, right? 01:01:03.981 --> 01:01:10.406 [SPEAKER_01]: He's not going to go from making knives to making like, you know, parts for GM or, you know, aerospace equipment. 01:01:10.726 --> 01:01:29.737 [SPEAKER_01]: But the ideas like that the skills are relative and I look at it in my business like I started my business as like I want to make custom cabinets for people and I'm going to teach classes and now I haven't made a custom cabinet for somebody in six or seven years and now we're making art that goes all around the world. 01:01:29.958 --> 01:01:30.498 [SPEAKER_01]: You know what I mean? 01:01:30.518 --> 01:01:38.343 [SPEAKER_01]: Like never never even was like if I wrote down the business model even to the furthest extent of what I thought it would be 01:01:39.043 --> 01:02:04.076 [SPEAKER_01]: 10 years ago it wouldn't even be like close to what it is today in most of the ways that it is and most of the ways that generate like the most money and all that to be said is like I try to like give advice to you know guys and small shops and guys that are doing stuff I'm like make sure that you're not forgetting to like learn a really diverse skill set along the way because like anything you're doing can disappear in like a minute you know what I mean you have to have that 01:02:04.456 --> 01:02:06.197 [SPEAKER_02]: You have a fabricator's mindset, too. 01:02:06.357 --> 01:02:12.161 [SPEAKER_02]: Like a metal shop, a fabricator metal shop mindset is different than most knife makers. 01:02:12.421 --> 01:02:16.284 [SPEAKER_02]: I've worked in enough fabrication shops to understand that I don't refer to this. 01:02:16.384 --> 01:02:17.685 [SPEAKER_02]: I don't see this as a knife shop. 01:02:17.725 --> 01:02:19.466 [SPEAKER_02]: I see this as a metal shop, and I'm 100%. 01:02:20.187 --> 01:02:21.808 [SPEAKER_02]: But that's why you were successful. 01:02:21.968 --> 01:02:24.730 [SPEAKER_01]: That's why your success, what most knife makers are not. 01:02:25.250 --> 01:02:26.972 [SPEAKER_02]: Well, here's two things. 01:02:27.412 --> 01:02:40.367 [SPEAKER_02]: One is the idea is like, I think about what my last job, my last boss used to say, he's like, I need to run jobs at the shop, so we just did a commission for, and I call it a commission for sake knives for this, for this club. 01:02:42.168 --> 01:02:43.789 [SPEAKER_02]: in downtown Tennessee or something like that. 01:02:44.069 --> 01:02:45.530 [SPEAKER_02]: And we had a really short deadline. 01:02:45.550 --> 01:02:48.271 [SPEAKER_02]: And in most life makers would be like, well, it doesn't work that way here. 01:02:48.351 --> 01:02:51.212 [SPEAKER_02]: And like, I'm running jobs to the shop, let's fucking do it. 01:02:51.232 --> 01:02:58.275 [SPEAKER_02]: To the point where we was in a extraordinary bubble, a lot of for us, a lot of, it was super fast pace. 01:02:58.615 --> 01:02:59.375 [SPEAKER_02]: We got all done. 01:02:59.956 --> 01:03:05.558 [SPEAKER_02]: And I said, I want to run jobs like that through this shop, and because I see it as like a metal shop. 01:03:05.878 --> 01:03:09.439 [SPEAKER_02]: The other thing, and we end up sending a message saying, we miss counter, we need 12 more. 01:03:09.459 --> 01:03:13.921 [SPEAKER_02]: I'm like, okay, you'll probably ask the money, we'll run another 12, no problem. 01:03:14.421 --> 01:03:22.823 [SPEAKER_02]: But part of it is also because, you know, I see you, you have a degree of fearlessness, and I don't seem fearlessness in me at all. 01:03:23.324 --> 01:03:27.965 [SPEAKER_02]: For me, the thing that motivates me, the most is spite. 01:03:28.465 --> 01:03:32.086 [SPEAKER_02]: I'm incredibly spiteful, and I run on spite. 01:03:32.146 --> 01:03:34.107 [SPEAKER_02]: I run on people saying you can't do something. 01:03:35.347 --> 01:03:39.509 [SPEAKER_01]: But that comes with fearlessness, whether you see it or not, because it's fucking dangerous. 01:03:39.529 --> 01:03:42.469 [SPEAKER_01]: Because, well, anger and fearlessness might go hand in hand. 01:03:42.489 --> 01:03:43.730 [SPEAKER_01]: But it's on the way. 01:03:43.830 --> 01:03:44.230 [SPEAKER_01]: It's on the way. 01:03:44.250 --> 01:03:44.990 [SPEAKER_01]: It's on the way. 01:03:45.010 --> 01:03:45.950 [SPEAKER_01]: I love a good spite. 01:03:46.831 --> 01:03:56.454 [SPEAKER_01]: But no, I mean, I think that there is a level of fearlessness in it, because again, it's like, it goes back to just like the scale at which you guys are trying to operate your business at. 01:03:56.594 --> 01:04:00.615 [SPEAKER_01]: Like the reason that most people fail is because they are afraid of scaling. 01:04:01.235 --> 01:04:01.856 [SPEAKER_01]: You know what I mean? 01:04:01.936 --> 01:04:05.899 [SPEAKER_01]: And they are like, and I see it so much in like small or like blue collar businesses. 01:04:06.339 --> 01:04:09.802 [SPEAKER_01]: Like I was just talking to a friend of mine who's a plumber who's like family business. 01:04:09.822 --> 01:04:19.709 [SPEAKER_01]: They do great work and he's like, yeah, we're trying to find somebody blah, blah, we want to grow, we want to grow and it's like, but like I could give you from the outside looking in, I could give you like 10 ways that you could grow your business. 01:04:19.729 --> 01:04:23.172 [SPEAKER_01]: But they're all going to be like, kind of, 01:04:23.732 --> 01:04:42.138 [SPEAKER_01]: Scary, you know, like they're all gonna be different than what you guys do now And they're not gonna feel like the same, you know second generation plumbing business that you guys have been doing But if you want to take your business from like wherever it is to wherever it's gonna be You're gonna have to to do that and it may work or it might not and it's like I look at these guys. 01:04:42.158 --> 01:04:43.018 [SPEAKER_01]: I always I always have 01:04:43.918 --> 01:04:50.401 [SPEAKER_01]: I always have a lot of empathy and also admiration for people that, and I'm sure you've seen this in your neighborhood. 01:04:50.761 --> 01:05:00.126 [SPEAKER_01]: You ever see a new store come into a storefront and you see the amount of work and time it takes to set up a new restaurant. 01:05:00.166 --> 01:05:12.572 [SPEAKER_01]: These guys will take an empty storefront and they'll spend six months on a buildout and they'll buy all the shelving and all the signage and they'll start it up and they'll survive a year and then they'll close because it's not working. 01:05:12.792 --> 01:05:34.767 [SPEAKER_01]: And then they'll leave like 80% of what they put into it like stays there right like what you see it when stores go close Like the shelves are still there and the signs still on the window and then they'll go and do it again And I'm like the I like I I think of what it takes to get to open and then I think how much like 01:05:36.714 --> 01:05:55.607 [SPEAKER_01]: emotional, like, and, and just, uh, uh, uh, the stamina and, like, gump shit it would take to try again, is something that, like, I don't know if I have it, I think I do, but like, I have such respect for people, especially like restaurant tours, and I'm sure you know many of them, who are like, yeah, we tried this. 01:05:55.627 --> 01:05:57.208 [SPEAKER_01]: It didn't work in this market, so we closed. 01:05:57.688 --> 01:06:01.650 [SPEAKER_01]: It's like, and you're just like, okay, so what happened to all that money that you put into? 01:06:01.670 --> 01:06:02.511 [SPEAKER_01]: It's like, oh, we lost it. 01:06:02.891 --> 01:06:03.532 [SPEAKER_01]: We'll do it again. 01:06:04.092 --> 01:06:13.597 [SPEAKER_01]: And then, like, you know, sometimes it's 3, 4, 5, 10 times these guys try until they finally, like, land one that survives what, like, 5 years, 10 years, you know what I mean? 01:06:13.617 --> 01:06:15.098 [SPEAKER_01]: It's incredible to me. 01:06:15.158 --> 01:06:16.039 [SPEAKER_01]: It's incredible to me. 01:06:16.419 --> 01:06:22.442 [SPEAKER_02]: I, my, uh, my, uh, Charlie Palm Royal boss and mentor, and he was one of the best chefs in the United States. 01:06:22.522 --> 01:06:26.585 [SPEAKER_02]: I, last time I saw him, I always say to him, you got a cast iron stomach. 01:06:26.865 --> 01:06:28.666 [SPEAKER_02]: Like, you know what, how you live at night? 01:06:29.246 --> 01:06:36.290 [SPEAKER_02]: I'll never understand it and it's so impressive and just like I look that says this is the life I've chosen Yeah, it is it is amazing. 01:06:36.350 --> 01:06:37.931 [SPEAKER_02]: Some people just have that ability. 01:06:38.431 --> 01:06:41.253 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, listen I know you have a hard out Is that all right? 01:06:41.293 --> 01:06:43.294 [SPEAKER_01]: So yeah, yeah, I got a couple minutes. 01:06:43.574 --> 01:06:45.636 [SPEAKER_02]: All right, so What's going on? 01:06:45.736 --> 01:06:46.816 [SPEAKER_02]: I you're the best. 01:06:46.836 --> 01:06:51.779 [SPEAKER_02]: I'm so glad you're here and I know we're gonna we're gonna wrap it up But I'm definitely have you back on sooner rather than later. 01:06:52.180 --> 01:06:53.060 [SPEAKER_02]: What's next for you? 01:06:53.740 --> 01:06:54.541 [SPEAKER_02]: And make everything shop 01:06:55.223 --> 01:07:15.987 [SPEAKER_01]: What's next is I'm in that flux phase right now and I'm going to speak this into existence because I've been telling everybody and I'm going to make it happen So one of my goals has always been that inside of ten years that I would own my building and that I would buy it So I am and I am a big manifesting. 01:07:16.327 --> 01:07:18.028 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm a big manifestation kind of guy. 01:07:18.048 --> 01:07:19.508 [SPEAKER_01]: I have always had this vision 01:07:20.528 --> 01:07:31.397 [SPEAKER_01]: of the moment where I buy the building and recently there was a little bit, the building's always been available for me to buy but only me. 01:07:31.457 --> 01:07:46.910 [SPEAKER_01]: Like my landlord has told me he would sell it to me but I'm always sort of soft pedal did it was always scary recently someone else approached the landlord and was interested and he sort of called me and kind of put me on notice like hey someone else is interested and I freaked out right I panicked. 01:07:47.692 --> 01:07:49.177 [SPEAKER_01]: And I thought, like, this is it, right? 01:07:49.217 --> 01:07:50.782 [SPEAKER_01]: Like, you know, I won't. 01:07:51.452 --> 01:08:15.107 [SPEAKER_01]: be able to I won't survive the business will probably won't survive having to relocate because of just how disruptive it'll be and how hard it will be to find a new place close by that works with my life and so I my wife and I like I panicked I was like really I was I was panicked totally unexpected it threw me completely off and then I thought about it and I was like 01:08:17.829 --> 01:08:19.972 [SPEAKER_01]: So I went back to my landlord. 01:08:19.992 --> 01:08:24.218 [SPEAKER_01]: I wrote him like kind of a, you know, like a personal note and just said, like, listen, it's always been my goal. 01:08:24.238 --> 01:08:24.739 [SPEAKER_01]: You know that. 01:08:24.759 --> 01:08:25.840 [SPEAKER_01]: We've talked about it for years. 01:08:26.221 --> 01:08:27.402 [SPEAKER_01]: I will make it happen. 01:08:28.644 --> 01:08:30.146 [SPEAKER_01]: Let's sit down and let's talk about it. 01:08:30.286 --> 01:08:31.988 [SPEAKER_01]: And he's like an older gentleman. 01:08:32.069 --> 01:08:32.709 [SPEAKER_01]: He's got 01:08:33.490 --> 01:08:34.510 [SPEAKER_01]: He's got everything in his life. 01:08:34.550 --> 01:08:35.090 [SPEAKER_01]: It's figured out. 01:08:35.130 --> 01:08:37.791 [SPEAKER_01]: So this is honestly going to be like a complication for him. 01:08:38.351 --> 01:08:41.192 [SPEAKER_01]: But he's always been very nice and respectful to me. 01:08:41.452 --> 01:08:51.074 [SPEAKER_01]: And so the current moment today, the moment is like basically just figuring out how I'm going to buy this fucking building, which I will do. 01:08:51.474 --> 01:08:53.055 [SPEAKER_01]: Like I will figure it out. 01:08:53.155 --> 01:08:57.436 [SPEAKER_01]: And it's funny because like, you know, you go through those moments of panic and fear and 01:08:58.056 --> 01:09:26.522 [SPEAKER_01]: And right now, I'm thinking about how I'm going to buy the building and then how I'm going to position the business of make everything to either expand or contract in the building, depending on like where I want to take it in basically in two years, I'm like planning for either like a total change in the business and expanding it to doing like way more stuff and like really becoming like a business that makes things for people or am I sort of like, 01:09:26.842 --> 01:09:34.259 [SPEAKER_01]: changing the business a little bit and focusing more and making content and making more you know like doing stuff on the internet and I think that I have been 01:09:35.488 --> 01:09:42.070 [SPEAKER_01]: somewhat intentionally, but also extremely lucky in the fact that the business is diverse where we can pick and choose, right? 01:09:42.090 --> 01:09:52.553 [SPEAKER_01]: Like I could decide tomorrow that I want to make railings and stairs and that's what we can do, or I can decide tomorrow that I want to start another podcast and just make content every single, you know, two days a week or whatever. 01:09:52.993 --> 01:10:01.076 [SPEAKER_01]: So it's a little bit scary because it's, you know, I have a new baby, you know, I'm a very busy job, but I refuse to lose. 01:10:02.416 --> 01:10:03.957 [SPEAKER_01]: Look it's you fearless. 01:10:04.217 --> 01:10:10.280 [SPEAKER_02]: I tell you you're fearless Sometimes I look forward to as you get now the water. 01:10:10.800 --> 01:10:11.940 [SPEAKER_01]: That's all I'm out baby. 01:10:12.040 --> 01:10:19.944 [SPEAKER_02]: I'm we got the dry wells now So you know we're in pretty good shape Oh, yeah, the years of the years of the don't stay dry don't stay dry. 01:10:19.964 --> 01:10:23.985 [SPEAKER_02]: Don't die, baby I've been my the best knock on work ain't season. 01:10:24.326 --> 01:10:27.447 [SPEAKER_02]: It's not going to worry about you You're not gonna get well no more water content 01:10:27.787 --> 01:10:44.944 [SPEAKER_01]: we'll see i mean there's definitely still water but let's hope it's not as much and you know uh anybody listening uh keeping your out because that there's going to i'm going to have a ten-year party at the shop to celebrate the survival thus far and uh it will be public so i don't come out uh come out once we figure out when but yeah no i mean it's 01:10:45.344 --> 01:10:46.345 [SPEAKER_01]: Everything's great, man. 01:10:46.385 --> 01:10:49.409 [SPEAKER_01]: I got, I got nothing that I could complain about in my life. 01:10:49.469 --> 01:10:54.956 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't think You know anything I could complain about is not important enough to be complaining about it. 01:10:55.456 --> 01:11:04.227 [SPEAKER_02]: I am so happy for you I always have been and I always will be happy for you and all the things that you've done with not only your business, but your family 01:11:05.168 --> 01:11:20.784 [SPEAKER_02]: it's just such a blessing to be able to be a father and to really never take it for granted and I'm just I remember when I got to meet your daughter when she was a baby and I'm just so happy for you I always will be and I'm glad you're my friend looking forward to more make everything shop 01:11:21.210 --> 01:11:22.511 [SPEAKER_01]: I really appreciate that Jeff. 01:11:22.531 --> 01:11:23.811 [SPEAKER_01]: Thanks so much for having me, buddy. 01:11:23.851 --> 01:11:27.533 [SPEAKER_01]: And, uh, well, next time we come on, we're going to talk about the end of the story. 01:11:27.553 --> 01:11:27.833 [SPEAKER_01]: All right. 01:11:27.853 --> 01:11:28.473 [SPEAKER_01]: We'll do that too. 01:11:28.533 --> 01:11:29.254 [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, the end. 01:11:29.274 --> 01:11:30.354 [SPEAKER_02]: We missed the end of the story. 01:11:30.414 --> 01:11:30.914 [SPEAKER_02]: Next time. 01:11:30.935 --> 01:11:31.735 [SPEAKER_02]: We missed the end of the story. 01:11:31.755 --> 01:11:32.695 [SPEAKER_02]: That's the cliffhanger. 01:11:32.855 --> 01:11:33.576 [SPEAKER_02]: That's the cliffhanger. 01:11:33.676 --> 01:11:34.476 [SPEAKER_02]: We'll get you back soon. 01:11:34.516 --> 01:11:36.177 [SPEAKER_02]: Guys, go follow Chris. 01:11:36.577 --> 01:11:38.258 [SPEAKER_02]: All his information is going to be in the show notes. 01:11:38.298 --> 01:11:38.818 [SPEAKER_02]: We're reading this. 01:11:39.478 --> 01:11:42.580 [SPEAKER_02]: And we will see you next week. 01:11:42.640 --> 01:11:43.420 [SPEAKER_02]: Thanks again, Chris. 01:11:43.920 --> 01:11:44.521 [SPEAKER_01]: Take care, Jeff. 01:11:44.541 --> 01:11:44.841 [SPEAKER_01]: Thank you.