WEBVTT 00:02.980 --> 00:03.941 [SPEAKER_00]: Christian parenting. 00:08.305 --> 00:16.632 [SPEAKER_02]: Welcome to the Bible for Kids Podcast with your hosts, author Trisha Goyer, and author and co-creator of Veggie Tales, Mike Noraki. 00:17.072 --> 00:24.679 [SPEAKER_02]: If instilling biblical values and kids is important to you, this podcast will give you the resources, wisdom, and hope to do just that. 00:25.180 --> 00:28.903 [SPEAKER_02]: Now let's join our hosts, Trisha, and Mike for this week's episode. 00:35.080 --> 00:36.982 [SPEAKER_03]: Welcome back to the Bible for Kids Podcast. 00:37.062 --> 00:37.923 [SPEAKER_03]: I'm Mike Naraki. 00:38.603 --> 00:39.584 [SPEAKER_01]: And I'm Trisha Goyer. 00:39.604 --> 00:51.295 [SPEAKER_01]: Today, we're excited to have educator, mom, and author, Lindsey Gough, finish it on the show today to talk about her new book, The Amazing Brain Club, God Special Design for our brains. 00:51.675 --> 00:55.899 [SPEAKER_01]: But before we do that, we like to start every Bible for kids podcast with a Bible verse. 00:56.079 --> 00:56.560 [SPEAKER_01]: So Mike, 00:57.334 --> 01:04.179 [SPEAKER_03]: All right, and this is a familiar verse taken from Psalm 139, 13 to 14, but I think it's just perfect for the talk today. 01:04.719 --> 01:08.502 [SPEAKER_03]: For you created my inmost being, you knit me together in my mother's womb. 01:08.902 --> 01:11.584 [SPEAKER_03]: I praise you because I am fearfully and wonderfully made. 01:11.924 --> 01:12.965 [SPEAKER_03]: Your works are wonderful. 01:13.325 --> 01:14.446 [SPEAKER_03]: I know that full well. 01:15.190 --> 01:20.813 [SPEAKER_01]: I love that Lindsey Gough, it is such loves kids and is a proud member of the amazing brain club. 01:20.833 --> 01:28.756 [SPEAKER_01]: She began her teaching career at a therapeutic childcare center in Seattle and then spent the next decade teaching kindergarten first and second grades. 01:29.216 --> 01:32.658 [SPEAKER_01]: She is currently a school administrator and specializes in student support. 01:33.158 --> 01:41.582 [SPEAKER_01]: Lindsey lives in the San Diego with her husband, John and their two kids and spends most for free time creating art and living new stories with her family. 01:44.825 --> 01:47.907 [SPEAKER_00]: Thanks so much for having me, I'm so happy to be here. 01:48.647 --> 01:56.412 [SPEAKER_03]: Absolutely, so when I hear the names, Goff and San Diego, I think a Bob Goff, is there any relation there? 01:57.532 --> 02:00.414 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, yes, yes, Bob Goff is my dad. 02:00.814 --> 02:02.495 [SPEAKER_03]: Oh, what a lucky person you are. 02:02.655 --> 02:03.536 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, my goodness. 02:05.717 --> 02:07.038 [SPEAKER_03]: Oh, Bob is so nice. 02:07.159 --> 02:11.462 [SPEAKER_03]: I met him for the first time just a few weeks ago, actually. 02:11.502 --> 02:14.225 [SPEAKER_03]: Or maybe a couple months ago, it was a February or so. 02:14.765 --> 02:27.296 [SPEAKER_03]: We went up to his, he was running a writing seminar up at the camp there in San Diego and got to sit in on some sessions there and have some talks and just a wonderful, wonderful person. 02:27.316 --> 02:29.778 [SPEAKER_03]: So I'm so, he's just such an honor to meet you. 02:30.968 --> 02:33.250 [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, thank you, thank you, likewise. 02:33.290 --> 02:35.031 [SPEAKER_00]: I've heard such great things about you. 02:35.131 --> 02:37.012 [SPEAKER_00]: So it's great to be here to talk today. 02:37.032 --> 02:38.133 [SPEAKER_00]: That's awesome. 02:38.773 --> 02:45.078 [SPEAKER_01]: And Lindsay, I love everything that you're doing, education, and serving those kids, and serving those families. 02:45.118 --> 02:53.583 [SPEAKER_01]: But I would love to hear when the specific spark or the moment came when you were like, we need to have a book about the amazing brain club. 02:53.604 --> 02:55.565 [SPEAKER_01]: Because I think I love the idea. 02:55.585 --> 02:56.966 [SPEAKER_01]: And I just want to know where that came from. 02:58.768 --> 03:26.195 [SPEAKER_00]: I, you know, I think at the heart of it, it really came from my experience being a teacher and getting to teach hundreds of kids now who have come through my class, but kids you just have these really incredible brains and how they're wired and I had one student early on in my teaching career who he was this high energy kid who was bouncing off of the walls and I got to partner really closely with his parents and say, 03:26.695 --> 03:29.777 [SPEAKER_00]: Hey, what if we tried jump rope club together? 03:29.857 --> 03:33.079 [SPEAKER_00]: Can I go to jump rope club with your son? 03:33.660 --> 03:36.681 [SPEAKER_00]: And this kid who is having a tricky time in class? 03:37.122 --> 03:40.124 [SPEAKER_00]: Man, he was the best kid in jump rope club. 03:40.604 --> 03:44.026 [SPEAKER_00]: And all of a sudden, he had a t-shirt that matched everybody. 03:44.146 --> 03:49.610 [SPEAKER_00]: He had something to do with recess that matched the other kids a way to connect with other kids. 03:50.390 --> 04:05.335 [SPEAKER_00]: He was really the first spark I think for me, along with also being, you know, diagnosed myself as a grown-up with ADHD, but thinking, man, kids just need this resource and this message to say, uh, welcome to the club. 04:05.595 --> 04:10.077 [SPEAKER_00]: Like, here's a really beautiful way that you're wired and we want to celebrate that. 04:10.920 --> 04:11.941 [SPEAKER_03]: Oh, that's so cool. 04:11.961 --> 04:19.608 [SPEAKER_03]: You know the way that you're describing this student reminds me so much of my son, you know, and he was he kind of had that kind of energy as a kid. 04:20.088 --> 04:28.275 [SPEAKER_03]: And I remember us thinking, you know, I wonder, if we should take him in to, you know, get diagnosed because we just felt like maybe that was a thing for him. 04:28.635 --> 04:29.436 [SPEAKER_03]: And so we did. 04:29.996 --> 04:36.422 [SPEAKER_03]: And, you know, we ran through the test and then it came back, the doctor, the doctor's diagnosis was congratulations, you have a boy. 04:36.442 --> 04:37.403 [SPEAKER_03]: And so... 04:39.725 --> 05:06.863 [SPEAKER_03]: But he suspected, you know, then all through school, all through college, his friends would ask to Michael, are you ADHD, you seem like you are and he was like, well, you know, I was diagnosed as came back negative when I was a kid, but actually after college he went in was diagnosed, you know, a re-diagnosed and sure, sure enough ADHD, you know, and so it's so interesting just to kind of, you know, maybe views have shifted over the years and, you know, that kind of thing. 05:07.583 --> 05:11.165 [SPEAKER_03]: you describe ADHD traits as zippy's api and zumi. 05:11.945 --> 05:29.413 [SPEAKER_03]: Whereas disruptive, you know, and you know, that thinking about my own son's experience, how does changing the language we used to describe neurodiversity impact, you know, their their self-esteem, and just sort of, I don't know, kind of, I don't know, just sort of describe the reality for a lot of a lot of kids. 05:30.858 --> 05:37.561 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I think that the words that we use with kids, it's really gonna shape their identity, right? 05:37.661 --> 05:44.304 [SPEAKER_00]: So if kids here, like, I'm too much, I'm too distracted or I can't do anything, they're gonna believe that. 05:44.424 --> 05:52.287 [SPEAKER_00]: So it's our job as the grown-ups to be a couple steps out ahead of them and say, like, hey, this, you know, zippy's out there and zoom it. 05:52.307 --> 05:53.708 [SPEAKER_00]: That's how positive and fun. 05:53.768 --> 06:19.873 [SPEAKER_00]: But look at the content, you are imaginative, you're fast, you're full of ideas, and so I wanted kids to be able to see themselves in that really positive light, but then also for kids who are reading the book, who, you know, maybe they're more neuro-typical, like a typically developing child, to also have a lot of compassion and understanding and empathy for their classmates and siblings. 06:20.493 --> 06:24.475 [SPEAKER_00]: you know kids they may come in contact with whose brains are just wired differently. 06:24.495 --> 06:42.445 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah yeah and it's just so um it's just so interesting you know because kids can they may feel like they're limited by that but I've just seen so much as kids grow up and you know talking to adults that that are ADHD and just how capable they are of so many things and what a strength that can be in certain in certain situations. 06:42.825 --> 06:54.269 [SPEAKER_03]: a friend of my son, you know, was diagnosed and she was actually on medication and she'd have to, whenever she took some, she's have to, I have to be careful to not lose my sparkle when I take. 06:54.949 --> 06:59.751 [SPEAKER_03]: So I love that, I love that kind of, you know, framing that, okay, this is a good thing in a lot of ways. 07:01.072 --> 07:19.172 [SPEAKER_00]: for sure and it's it's been a neat conversation too that I get to have with teachers now and my role as a school administrator like rolling into parent teacher conferences too where you think we could say you know this child won't stop talking in class they're constantly interrupting what if we tell that child you are a 07:19.432 --> 07:20.994 [SPEAKER_00]: gifted public speaker. 07:21.014 --> 07:23.897 [SPEAKER_00]: You are the show vision, right? 07:23.977 --> 07:31.885 [SPEAKER_00]: It's a lot of be the, a lot of times the behaviors that we see in kids are really just a greatest strength that's waiting for our support. 07:32.005 --> 07:41.295 [SPEAKER_00]: So we want to be the adult who are, you know, coming alongside kids and pointing out here these awesome strengths that I see in you and how can I support you in developing that? 07:41.953 --> 07:42.493 [SPEAKER_01]: So good. 07:42.554 --> 07:44.815 [SPEAKER_01]: And in the book, you can pair some brains to file cabinets. 07:45.236 --> 07:48.138 [SPEAKER_01]: And I look too confetti or idea factories. 07:48.558 --> 07:49.699 [SPEAKER_01]: I have 10 childrens. 07:50.060 --> 07:50.680 [SPEAKER_01]: Hi, Paul. 07:50.800 --> 07:51.981 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm from Faulkown. 07:52.201 --> 07:53.342 [SPEAKER_01]: You confetti. 07:53.522 --> 07:57.306 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, I'm a new expand on this metaphor. 07:57.326 --> 08:07.354 [SPEAKER_01]: Hey, how does it help you talking about earlier neurotypical children and adults better understand the ADHD brain process and how it just processes information. 08:08.639 --> 08:09.039 [SPEAKER_00]: Yes. 08:09.239 --> 08:21.543 [SPEAKER_00]: So, I wanted to come up with kid-friendly analogies to describe our brain wiring that some people are going to have a very linear style of thinking where they can focus in. 08:21.683 --> 08:23.784 [SPEAKER_00]: I am married to a file cabinet brain. 08:23.844 --> 08:27.305 [SPEAKER_00]: My husband could just work for five hours straight on the same thing. 08:27.325 --> 08:28.205 [SPEAKER_00]: It's amazing. 08:28.985 --> 08:50.120 [SPEAKER_00]: But then other braids are like can they where you have ideas that are whirling around and we're bouncing around between these different ideas And just like tossing confetti in the air from piles But what we were really intentional with in the book is that we didn't want to have the illustrations for the file cabinet brain be like gray and boring and serious 08:50.540 --> 08:54.023 [SPEAKER_00]: and then the kid that he brains like a party over here. 08:54.043 --> 09:00.408 [SPEAKER_00]: Now, you know, it's still a party, but the file cabinet brings still as he's really whimsical. 09:00.428 --> 09:07.955 [SPEAKER_00]: There's like an octopus crawling out of the animal filing cabinet and like rocket ships taking off and plan it. 09:08.075 --> 09:11.117 [SPEAKER_00]: And both brains are awesome, right? 09:11.157 --> 09:15.381 [SPEAKER_00]: The way that our brains are wired, but it's just a great framework. 09:15.641 --> 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--> 11:43.088 [SPEAKER_03]: How do you hope this spiritual perspective changes the way faith communities support and celebrate neurodiverse families? 11:44.363 --> 11:58.762 [SPEAKER_00]: You know, I had a really ambitious goal with this book where I wanted to fill a void like and start developing a theology of neurodiversity, right, and understanding of how all of our different brains are wired. 11:59.322 --> 12:07.264 [SPEAKER_00]: with this faith lens and grounded in this belief that God created each of our brains differently for a purpose. 12:07.784 --> 12:20.287 [SPEAKER_00]: So the metaphor that I thought was so beautiful and perfect that's in the Bible is talking about the body of Christ and how each part of the body has a specific purpose. 12:20.827 --> 12:25.988 [SPEAKER_00]: So my hope is that in faith communities we start having conversations about how 12:26.448 --> 12:41.432 [SPEAKER_00]: Part of the body of Christ is our brains and how those are wired and that when God made all of us, He didn't make any mistakes like our wiring, especially with our ADHD brains. 12:42.252 --> 12:47.596 [SPEAKER_00]: can actually be a way that we understand more about who God is and what he's like. 12:47.696 --> 12:57.364 [SPEAKER_00]: Because the energy and creativity and enthusiasm that comes with that type of wiring is absolutely a reflection of who God is. 12:57.384 --> 12:58.545 [SPEAKER_03]: Amen. 12:59.836 --> 13:11.847 [SPEAKER_01]: I love that, you know, as a educator, I know you probably have heard a lot of misconceptions and parents when you've been, maybe talk about, I think your child may be, I mean, we just have a lot of thoughts about this. 13:12.268 --> 13:23.198 [SPEAKER_01]: So how can you help correct maybe some of that narrative that the conversations probably haven't been very constructive in so many ways and I think we do need to understand it better. 13:24.252 --> 13:25.953 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, oh, absolutely. 13:26.033 --> 13:29.316 [SPEAKER_00]: And I think there's so many really great resources. 13:29.376 --> 13:34.700 [SPEAKER_00]: Now, we just know so much more about rain, wiring, than we have in the past. 13:35.121 --> 13:41.025 [SPEAKER_00]: But I think a really big misconception about ADHD is that it's willful. 13:41.266 --> 13:48.972 [SPEAKER_00]: Like I am on purpose trying to do something to not pay attention or I'm trying to forget things. 13:49.352 --> 13:51.074 [SPEAKER_00]: and that's really just not true. 13:51.214 --> 14:12.573 [SPEAKER_00]: It's about regulation and attention and energy and emotions, but also disordered attention and that sometimes this is in the book too, they're like an ADHD brain can just zoom in on something and just really focus on it and learn everything there is to know about something that, you know, catches their interest. 14:12.633 --> 14:12.813 [SPEAKER_00]: So 14:13.413 --> 14:29.640 [SPEAKER_00]: I think the truth is that all of the kids that we get to teach and raise and interact with everyone has their type of intelligence, but I think it's easy to look at a child's with ADHD and go, what's wrong with you? 14:29.820 --> 14:34.682 [SPEAKER_00]: And I wanted to switch it and say, what is everything that is right with you? 14:34.842 --> 14:40.685 [SPEAKER_00]: How can I come alongside you and point out here the incredible God-given gifts that I see 14:42.137 --> 14:43.078 [SPEAKER_03]: Oh, yeah, I love that. 14:43.118 --> 14:53.945 [SPEAKER_03]: You know, again, I think of my son growing up, helping him study for math that do his math homework and it was really difficult, you know, you don't want to bounce a ball and, you know, do something else. 14:53.965 --> 14:59.409 [SPEAKER_03]: We actually, you know, and the Dead Sea Scrolls where I have a book of, you know, a whole book dedicated to the study habits. 14:59.469 --> 15:04.112 [SPEAKER_03]: So, I just kind of, you know, based off my son, but, um, 15:04.452 --> 15:25.320 [SPEAKER_03]: but you know I mentioned he was diagnosed after he graduated from college with a degree in applied mathematics you know so he figured it out right so many parents worry when their child receives an ADHD diagnosis so what message of hope or encouragement does the amazing brain club offer to parents who might be navigating this journey for the first time. 15:26.257 --> 15:28.718 [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, that is such a tender thing. 15:28.798 --> 15:45.365 [SPEAKER_00]: And it's actually a really big part of the role that I have now at my school is being with parents as this, they learn more about how their child is wired and they get a diagnosis and you go, oh my goodness, you just cut to like worry and concern for your child's, right? 15:45.505 --> 15:51.588 [SPEAKER_00]: And my hope with this book is that it will give family so much encouragement that, 15:51.968 --> 16:14.278 [SPEAKER_00]: Instead of saying, you know, God loves your child even though they have the ADHD, I wanted to just give that a little quarter turn and say, thank God your child has ADHD, because if they did it, we wouldn't know all of these amazing things about who God is, we wouldn't have these incredible gifts that are present in your child. 16:15.498 --> 16:23.762 [SPEAKER_00]: So that's the encouragement that I hope that families here is that your child brings something really incredible to the world. 16:23.822 --> 16:30.064 [SPEAKER_00]: There's no mistake in how they were made and I didn't want to gloss over the tricky parts, right? 16:30.164 --> 16:41.549 [SPEAKER_00]: Like there are moments and there's a page in the book that shows like a kid for getting things and a kid who's, you know, knocking something over and breaking things because they're just not aware of their body and space. 16:41.609 --> 16:42.570 [SPEAKER_00]: Like all of that is 16:43.110 --> 16:53.855 [SPEAKER_00]: definitely a reality, but holding that big picture in mind that when I worry that I'm too much, I remember that God created each of us for a purpose. 16:54.375 --> 17:03.160 [SPEAKER_00]: And that's something that I need to read as a parent too, right when I, I think, for a boarding life from, you know, in the thick of it would too pretty small kids. 17:04.080 --> 17:07.402 [SPEAKER_00]: So that's just been great for me to hold on to as well. 17:08.082 --> 17:08.263 [SPEAKER_00]: Hmm. 17:08.684 --> 17:11.190 [SPEAKER_01]: Okay, I want to hear about the writing process, too. 17:11.311 --> 17:13.175 [SPEAKER_01]: So, yeah, you talk about ADHD. 17:14.717 --> 17:14.937 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. 17:15.377 --> 17:17.258 [SPEAKER_01]: My daughter says, I have 88 sheets. 17:17.818 --> 17:18.558 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know. 17:18.918 --> 17:19.418 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know. 17:19.598 --> 17:22.439 [SPEAKER_01]: I have asked my 50,000 writing projects. 17:22.819 --> 17:23.579 [SPEAKER_01]: I have 10 children. 17:23.599 --> 17:25.420 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm like, oh, it's like, Oh, dude. 17:25.440 --> 17:26.580 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't need that. 17:26.640 --> 17:27.040 [SPEAKER_01]: I do it. 17:27.140 --> 17:36.022 [SPEAKER_01]: Anyway, but it's a writing process like because I'm sure you had all these years of experience messaging you share. 17:36.122 --> 17:39.183 [SPEAKER_01]: And then you're putting it in a story with for children. 17:39.203 --> 17:39.283 [SPEAKER_01]: Yes. 17:40.283 --> 17:42.524 [SPEAKER_01]: How is that process when it actually came 17:45.545 --> 17:47.287 [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, it was so much fun. 17:47.307 --> 17:58.539 [SPEAKER_00]: It was so much fun, because my as a teacher, my go-to move any time there's something important I want to talk about with my children or with my students, is to look for a kids book. 17:58.719 --> 18:03.505 [SPEAKER_00]: Like, there are, I'm convinced kids books are not just for children, grown-ups need them to. 18:03.605 --> 18:03.805 [SPEAKER_00]: Like, 18:04.446 --> 18:06.668 [SPEAKER_00]: as tools to hear those messages. 18:07.209 --> 18:18.161 [SPEAKER_00]: So the book started with a draft like of, here's the message that I wish I could write for my students, then the illustrator took a look at it and put, you know, 18:19.162 --> 18:36.089 [SPEAKER_00]: sketches that could go along with this, but then the really cool layer that the zonder kid's folks did is hire a child psychologist to review it to, because from the beginning, I said, you know, I can write this as a parent and a teacher, but I just have so much respect for 18:36.649 --> 18:48.552 [SPEAKER_00]: people who are in that psychology field as well so if we could get that stamp of approval just to make sure that what we're seeing here is, you know, really grounded in current best practices. 18:49.052 --> 19:00.415 [SPEAKER_00]: So a child psychologist reviewed it and there's one significant change that came out of that where one of the pages talks about if there were gold medals for asking questions, 19:07.517 --> 19:15.843 [SPEAKER_00]: Which I love so much, and it adds like a bunch of little kids with sunglasses on staring through my teeth with all these metals, and it's so cute. 19:16.203 --> 19:33.475 [SPEAKER_00]: But my first draft of it was I'd have so many metals, I tip right over, which I was reading that, it's like, oh that silly and funny and like goofy humor, but the psychologist actually flag that and said, you know what, that actually could be a negative connotation for kids. 19:34.195 --> 19:44.763 [SPEAKER_00]: That just, it was, it was so helpful to have an entire team working on the process from, you know, the illustrator to the incredible people that's on their kids. 19:45.303 --> 19:47.785 [SPEAKER_00]: And it took us surprisingly long time. 19:47.805 --> 19:52.268 [SPEAKER_00]: This was two years in the making to work on this book. 19:52.408 --> 19:57.292 [SPEAKER_00]: So it's been just a really fun thing going through each step. 19:58.010 --> 19:58.570 [SPEAKER_03]: That's so great. 19:58.590 --> 20:02.311 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, we're always singing the praises of editors and illustrations. 20:02.391 --> 20:02.751 [SPEAKER_00]: Yes. 20:02.771 --> 20:03.031 [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, yes. 20:03.071 --> 20:03.711 [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, yeah. 20:03.751 --> 20:05.612 [SPEAKER_03]: It's like, they make you look so much better. 20:07.092 --> 20:08.092 [SPEAKER_00]: He really do. 20:08.112 --> 20:08.553 [SPEAKER_00]: Thank you all. 20:08.713 --> 20:09.313 [SPEAKER_03]: So very much. 20:12.173 --> 20:16.094 [SPEAKER_03]: So you're your writing voice and I can tell now just speaking with you, too. 20:16.154 --> 20:19.295 [SPEAKER_03]: It's just very empathetic and incredibly empathetic. 20:19.555 --> 20:21.956 [SPEAKER_03]: Do you, do you see your own story? 20:21.976 --> 20:24.236 [SPEAKER_03]: I mean, we touched on this a little bit, maybe go into a syllable more. 20:24.256 --> 20:27.217 [SPEAKER_03]: Your own story reflected in the characters and situations in the book. 20:27.915 --> 20:28.555 [SPEAKER_00]: Mm-hmm. 20:28.736 --> 20:29.856 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, definitely. 20:29.876 --> 20:33.358 [SPEAKER_00]: I did not know that I'd ADHD. 20:33.398 --> 20:48.247 [SPEAKER_00]: I wasn't diagnosed until I was 33 years old and I was actually in treatment like for, you know, postpartum and it was like a very big transition time in life and so I it was through that that I got diagnosed. 20:48.567 --> 20:53.430 [SPEAKER_00]: But then I look back and think of myself as like eight-year-old Lindsay in class where 20:53.910 --> 21:12.303 [SPEAKER_00]: My form of ADHD will show up more as inattentiveness, and so I would think like me and is there something wrong with me like it's harder for me to get this is just not interesting Yes, yes, or like would get sucked into something like these little side 21:12.463 --> 21:12.843 [SPEAKER_00]: Quest. 21:12.944 --> 21:24.316 [SPEAKER_00]: I remember when I was a kid, I got a wild hair that I was going to be a painter and so nailed up a ton of canvases on the side of my parent's house. 21:24.836 --> 21:33.085 [SPEAKER_00]: They are so big that I can't remember their response was like, this is amazing. 21:34.446 --> 21:36.048 [SPEAKER_00]: get you an easel. 21:38.610 --> 21:40.252 [SPEAKER_00]: Let's direct a channel this. 21:40.352 --> 21:47.139 [SPEAKER_00]: So I really think fall that I grew up in an environment where it was very supportive, very much. 21:47.179 --> 21:55.567 [SPEAKER_00]: Like we're going to roll with this and support you, but it's absolutely a message that I wish that I could have read as a kid. 21:56.074 --> 21:58.055 [SPEAKER_03]: Oh my goodness, and I could totally see Bob doing that. 21:58.275 --> 21:58.936 [SPEAKER_00]: Oh yeah. 21:59.076 --> 21:59.776 [SPEAKER_00]: Oh yeah. 21:59.876 --> 22:00.417 [SPEAKER_00]: Oh yeah. 22:00.897 --> 22:02.918 [SPEAKER_00]: Look at this. 22:02.938 --> 22:03.519 [SPEAKER_00]: What are we're doing? 22:03.559 --> 22:05.800 [SPEAKER_03]: Just to take all the nails and camisages off. 22:05.820 --> 22:06.580 [SPEAKER_03]: Just paint the house. 22:06.620 --> 22:07.461 [SPEAKER_03]: Just paint the whole side. 22:07.481 --> 22:08.121 [SPEAKER_03]: Here's one color. 22:08.502 --> 22:11.103 [SPEAKER_00]: Oh my goodness. 22:11.163 --> 22:11.743 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. 22:11.784 --> 22:13.084 [SPEAKER_00]: They were very t-shirt. 22:13.605 --> 22:14.365 [SPEAKER_03]: Oh my goodness. 22:14.705 --> 22:16.426 [SPEAKER_03]: Well, it is time again for a break. 22:16.446 --> 22:18.968 [SPEAKER_03]: So we're going to take a quick break and we'll be right back on the Bible for kids. 22:23.091 --> 22:29.877 [SPEAKER_01]: from the co-creator, bedsheetails, and the voice of Larry the cucumber, comes and all new Dead Sea squirrels adventure. 22:30.378 --> 22:42.068 [SPEAKER_01]: When Michael and Justin are forced to hide moral and pearls identities in a class presentation, they turn to AI to generate odd squirrels' thinnets, Uncle Merge, and Aunt Purge. 22:42.088 --> 22:47.773 [SPEAKER_01]: As things spiral out 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reign this in, but in a positive way. 24:28.103 --> 24:34.229 [SPEAKER_01]: Can we bring up conversations at their table or maybe even react to certain things that we see happening in our own homes? 24:35.109 --> 24:50.585 [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, that's such an important question because it you know living with ADHD or people in your home who have ADHD It can be an exciting ride I'm the one one a question that I absolutely love to ask at the dinner table is 24:51.325 --> 24:52.946 [SPEAKER_00]: What's your superpower? 24:52.966 --> 25:08.331 [SPEAKER_00]: Like asking kids to say what is something that I am really good at, but then practice pointing it out in other family members, in our house, we'll have our kids share what was your boohoo, what was your woohoo, and then how were you a helper today? 25:08.531 --> 25:12.572 [SPEAKER_00]: And so just acknowledging so pretty and we'll like clap for everybody. 25:15.375 --> 25:30.577 [SPEAKER_00]: You're booing, you're booing, you're booing, you're booing, you're booing, you're booing, you're booing, you're booing, you're booing, you're booing, you're booing, you're booing, you're booing, you're booing, you're booing, you're booing, you're booing, you're booing, you're booing, you're booing, you're booing, you're booing, you're booing, you're booing, you're booing, you're booing, you're booing, you're booing, you're booing, you're booing, you're booing, you're booing, you're booing, you're booing, you're booing, you're booing, you're booing, you're booing, you're booing, you're booing, you're booing, you're booing, you're booing, you're booing, you're boo 25:30.877 --> 25:40.846 [SPEAKER_00]: We have that mindset where we're looking for what are the strengths and other people, and then also looking at ourselves and saying, how was I a helper today? 25:40.946 --> 25:42.448 [SPEAKER_00]: What's my superpower? 25:42.868 --> 25:48.013 [SPEAKER_00]: What did I bring to my family or my classroom to make the world a better place today? 25:48.493 --> 25:50.435 [SPEAKER_00]: So I think that's a great starting point. 25:50.575 --> 25:54.939 [SPEAKER_00]: And then, I really love and have relied a lot upon 25:55.452 --> 26:19.045 [SPEAKER_00]: getting to as a parent surround myself with other people who are great mentors and encourageers who know and love my children or my students and are able to help me see the strengths in them so that when I talk to my kids and there's a moment of correction I can lead with the strength first. 26:19.285 --> 26:20.966 [SPEAKER_00]: So I have you know 26:22.366 --> 26:24.467 [SPEAKER_00]: vibrant, amazing children. 26:24.587 --> 26:38.132 [SPEAKER_00]: And I've had those parenting moments where like toys get just taken apart completely because I have an engineer brain that I am raising and so I can leave it that like you are an amazing engineer. 26:38.152 --> 26:39.953 [SPEAKER_00]: I love that about you. 26:40.433 --> 26:42.894 [SPEAKER_00]: Here's how we can channel that in a good way. 26:43.354 --> 26:48.997 [SPEAKER_00]: We're not going to take apart toys that are functioning, but we can provide you with no other stuff to fix. 26:49.097 --> 27:00.082 [SPEAKER_00]: So yeah, it's very much it's a learning process, but I would say surrounding yourself with the right people looking for those strengths and then encouraging your kids to do the same. 27:00.802 --> 27:01.362 [SPEAKER_03]: I love that. 27:01.402 --> 27:05.444 [SPEAKER_03]: You know, just, there's so many memories are flooding through my mind, who's you're talking about, you know, those legos. 27:05.464 --> 27:17.009 [SPEAKER_03]: You know, I remember my son, you know, wait, I just want Christmas, he love legos, and I got him one of these really expensive Star Wars, you know, Lego kits, and like last thing I want to do, and it's just like the Lego movie. 27:17.029 --> 27:19.450 [SPEAKER_03]: You know, they played out this scenario, just like the Lego movie. 27:19.870 --> 27:24.052 [SPEAKER_03]: But I'm, I was like, I don't want to put this whole thing together, and then you have a rip apart. 27:24.292 --> 27:27.474 [SPEAKER_03]: So as we, you know, we glued it together as we were going, 27:28.114 --> 27:34.058 [SPEAKER_03]: I don't know if that was the good thing to do as a pair because he could have just like we're going to keep this in We're going to keep that's right. 27:34.078 --> 27:35.279 [SPEAKER_03]: We're going to keep it like this. 27:35.720 --> 27:43.065 [SPEAKER_03]: But you know the glue ensured that but I'm now I'm having second thoughts maybe we should have left it on glue to we'd have even more fun of that It's great 27:46.147 --> 27:48.329 [SPEAKER_03]: But I love this Lindsey. 27:48.349 --> 28:02.680 [SPEAKER_03]: So if a child were to to read the amazing brain club today Do you have like one core hope that they would carry with them into adulthood as they they face challenges Related to their unique brain wiring 28:03.727 --> 28:05.647 [SPEAKER_00]: Hmm. 28:05.667 --> 28:12.109 [SPEAKER_00]: I hope that kids first responses what is possible here, right? 28:12.289 --> 28:21.991 [SPEAKER_00]: Instead of cutting immediately to the negative, because I think that kids who have ADHD they're way more likely to hear words of correction. 28:22.011 --> 28:29.092 [SPEAKER_00]: And so hearing words of celebration, like hear the things that are awesome about you and then saying, 28:29.832 --> 28:40.758 [SPEAKER_00]: This is really tricky for me to stay focused on something or to be seated or, you know, whatever those things are, um, but then to say, what is possible here? 28:40.898 --> 28:53.605 [SPEAKER_00]: What has been wired into me that if I didn't have ADHD, I wouldn't be this energetic, this creative, um, able to make these connections that other people may not see. 28:53.625 --> 28:57.568 [SPEAKER_00]: Um, they're just really incredible strengths that come with that. 28:58.448 --> 29:13.853 [SPEAKER_00]: I hope that it's an encouraging message for kids to have that framework, but then I hope that as adults they continue to learn more about their wiring and look for what are the things that are possible because I am wired this way. 29:14.645 --> 29:15.005 [SPEAKER_03]: Mmm. 29:15.025 --> 29:15.605 [SPEAKER_03]: That's so great. 29:16.166 --> 29:16.666 [SPEAKER_01]: I love that. 29:16.746 --> 29:17.146 [SPEAKER_01]: So good. 29:17.206 --> 29:20.167 [SPEAKER_01]: Well, Lindsay, I just love this conversation. 29:20.347 --> 29:21.248 [SPEAKER_01]: So many good points. 29:21.268 --> 29:23.869 [SPEAKER_01]: I'll take into my own pair of jeans with my kids. 29:23.929 --> 29:25.029 [SPEAKER_01]: Now, my grandkids do. 29:25.469 --> 29:27.390 [SPEAKER_01]: And we just appreciate you being here. 29:27.770 --> 29:31.632 [SPEAKER_01]: Where can listeners go to find out more about you and more about the book? 29:33.091 --> 29:34.072 [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, thank you! 29:34.172 --> 29:38.215 [SPEAKER_00]: So, I have a website, LindsayGoughFedicic.com. 29:38.595 --> 29:44.139 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm also an Instagram, and you can find the book where ever books are sold. 29:44.219 --> 29:54.767 [SPEAKER_00]: Amazon, Target, Barnes, and Noble, you can find it there, but I hope that, you know, families are able to share this book with their kids and then use it to encourage others. 29:55.841 --> 29:56.681 [SPEAKER_03]: That's so wonderful. 29:56.961 --> 29:57.642 [SPEAKER_03]: Oh, my goodness. 29:57.662 --> 29:58.502 [SPEAKER_03]: This has been so great. 29:58.722 --> 29:59.802 [SPEAKER_03]: Thank you so much, Lindsay. 30:00.202 --> 30:04.123 [SPEAKER_03]: Listeners, be sure to follow us on Facebook or Instagram at the Bible for Kids. 30:04.463 --> 30:11.405 [SPEAKER_03]: The Bible for Kids is now a 501C3 non-profit and we'd love to have you join us in our mission of reaching kids with the message of the Bible. 30:11.765 --> 30:15.967 [SPEAKER_03]: Visit thebibelforkids.com to explore our store, donate, or learn more 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