WEBVTT 00:00.786 --> 00:07.631 [SPEAKER_01]: Hey, how are you doing, Caitlin? 00:09.413 --> 00:10.574 [SPEAKER_01]: Did you just call me Kevin? 00:11.574 --> 00:13.856 [SPEAKER_01]: I said, okay, Quinn, I said, okay, Quinn. 00:13.896 --> 00:14.216 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm excited. 00:14.236 --> 00:15.858 [SPEAKER_00]: How are you doing, Kevin? 00:15.918 --> 00:19.160 [SPEAKER_00]: It reminds me of when I was like, whatever you say, Johnny. 00:21.382 --> 00:24.184 [SPEAKER_00]: And girls, like, all right, I'll brush my teeth, Greg. 00:24.344 --> 00:26.506 [SPEAKER_00]: And I'm like, why do you guys keep doing that? 00:27.086 --> 00:27.747 [SPEAKER_00]: It's so weird. 00:35.853 --> 00:36.501 [UNKNOWN]: Don't leave. 00:50.493 --> 00:54.294 [SPEAKER_00]: But I have to tell you a funny story that I heard at the Memorial Day party I went to. 00:55.034 --> 00:56.154 [SPEAKER_00]: It's exactly what I want. 00:56.254 --> 00:58.635 [SPEAKER_00]: It's exactly what I want in this moment. 00:58.855 --> 01:01.376 [SPEAKER_00]: Michael was grilling from across the street. 01:01.476 --> 01:04.737 [SPEAKER_00]: And he told us, he told Matt the best story that Matt told me. 01:04.777 --> 01:07.957 [SPEAKER_00]: And I was dead laughing yesterday when Matt told me. 01:08.698 --> 01:15.739 [SPEAKER_00]: He told a story about how he was with a group of friends day drinking, having a fine time at City Crab. 01:19.940 --> 01:27.022 [SPEAKER_00]: They were watching a manager walk around to tables and be like, hi guys, doing is everything like, you know what I mean? 01:27.042 --> 01:31.583 [SPEAKER_00]: Like checking in on tables and being like, how is everything guys enjoying the food? 01:31.663 --> 01:34.544 [SPEAKER_00]: Like, hey guys having a good time, whatever, like a manager. 01:35.064 --> 01:38.525 [SPEAKER_00]: But because it was a manager, they were like a playing close detective. 01:38.885 --> 01:45.587 [SPEAKER_00]: So they were just wearing whatever and Michael was like, so weird, it feels like you could just pretend to be a manager here. 01:46.947 --> 01:48.692 [SPEAKER_01]: and then after a few words it's going to be on us. 01:48.993 --> 01:51.760 [SPEAKER_00]: After a few words he was like, I'm going to do it. 01:53.417 --> 01:58.778 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm gonna walk around and pretend to be a manager and go to tables and be like How you folks doing? 01:59.278 --> 02:09.640 [SPEAKER_00]: So he walked over to like a pretty big table of like ten Probably just you know to make like his friends laugh and he was like hey you guys enjoying everything and they were like yeah Yeah, great. 02:10.440 --> 02:11.240 [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, yeah, really good. 02:11.260 --> 02:11.640 [SPEAKER_00]: Thank you. 02:11.760 --> 02:19.722 [SPEAKER_00]: And then one woman at the table was like Hey Did you go to such in such high school and he's like 02:21.601 --> 02:37.133 [SPEAKER_00]: mm-hmm and she's like graduated in blah blah and he's like yes, she's like Michael and he's like uh-huh and she's like oh my god. 02:37.173 --> 02:37.953 [SPEAKER_00]: It's so good to see you. 02:38.033 --> 02:41.876 [SPEAKER_00]: I was at the same school and then she goes 02:53.630 --> 03:00.733 [SPEAKER_00]: And they're like, um, I mean, he's like, I just wanted to see if you liked everything. 03:00.953 --> 03:01.834 [SPEAKER_00]: I don't know what I'm doing. 03:03.234 --> 03:08.196 [SPEAKER_00]: I'd be like, I just thought I would pretend to work here. 03:08.216 --> 03:08.977 [SPEAKER_01]: This got weird. 03:09.417 --> 03:11.138 [SPEAKER_00]: And then he was like, okay, bye. 03:12.058 --> 03:22.211 [SPEAKER_00]: Good to see you, and like, when sat back down at his table, which I'm sure they saw, it's like the most insane story that he tried this, and it went so wrong. 03:22.451 --> 03:23.713 [SPEAKER_01]: You went so wrong. 03:23.973 --> 03:25.615 [SPEAKER_01]: That's really fucking good. 03:25.755 --> 03:27.157 [SPEAKER_01]: That's really good. 03:27.217 --> 03:29.360 [SPEAKER_01]: That's very exciting to me that that happened. 03:29.620 --> 03:30.021 [SPEAKER_00]: me too. 03:31.162 --> 03:32.224 [SPEAKER_00]: I really like that. 03:32.764 --> 03:35.789 [SPEAKER_00]: We went, oh, we went to a magic show last night. 03:36.309 --> 03:39.774 [SPEAKER_00]: Yes, Matt was telling me, and my favorite trick. 03:40.615 --> 03:45.782 [SPEAKER_00]: He somehow did do the David Blaine trick that I've seen David Blaine do to Harrison Ford. 03:46.523 --> 03:47.704 [SPEAKER_00]: Where he did... 03:47.724 --> 03:51.268 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm sorry, wouldn't it be fun if you were like, what if you were, what would be fun if you were like? 03:52.148 --> 03:57.253 [SPEAKER_01]: He did the David Copperfield trick that I saw David Blaine do for Harrison Ford. 03:59.135 --> 04:01.077 [SPEAKER_00]: Where your card is inside of a line. 04:01.557 --> 04:04.540 [SPEAKER_00]: That gets cut open and your cards inside the line. 04:06.874 --> 04:12.019 [SPEAKER_01]: I like that clip because there's another one of Harris before he goes get out of my house, just like get out, get out of here. 04:12.179 --> 04:13.220 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. 04:13.400 --> 04:24.971 [SPEAKER_00]: He also did a trick where he basically like doing that trick with money where he kept taking money from us and trying to explain that he was what he was doing for a long time. 04:24.991 --> 04:25.832 [SPEAKER_00]: We were like, what is this? 04:25.872 --> 04:27.473 [SPEAKER_00]: And he was getting these dollar bills wet. 04:27.814 --> 04:31.697 [SPEAKER_00]: And he eventually explained that dollar bills hold creatures inside of them. 04:32.658 --> 04:44.173 [SPEAKER_00]: Anyway, it resulted in him dumping from somebody's dollar bill that he was sitting next to me, rolled the dollar bill up in his hand and then dumped two gold fish out of it into a glass of water, and they started swimming around. 04:44.453 --> 04:45.935 [SPEAKER_00]: That's like, wow! 04:47.773 --> 04:48.693 [SPEAKER_00]: That's really cool. 04:49.174 --> 04:50.454 [SPEAKER_00]: It was crazy, cool. 04:50.494 --> 04:52.115 [SPEAKER_00]: It's a house of like 24. 04:52.816 --> 04:56.017 [SPEAKER_00]: So it's tiny, tiny, close up magic and so fun. 04:56.077 --> 04:56.517 [SPEAKER_00]: I took my hair. 04:56.578 --> 04:57.498 [SPEAKER_01]: So fun. 04:57.638 --> 04:58.218 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, we had a blast. 04:58.238 --> 04:58.699 [SPEAKER_00]: To your parents? 04:58.799 --> 05:00.039 [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, the kids were stayed home. 05:00.880 --> 05:03.521 [SPEAKER_00]: It's 21 up the magic venue. 05:03.941 --> 05:05.122 [SPEAKER_00]: So yes, the kids were home. 05:05.662 --> 05:09.804 [SPEAKER_00]: And then today this afternoon, I'm taking my mom and see my a Rudolph and O'Merry. 05:11.805 --> 05:13.106 [SPEAKER_01]: I really love that. 05:13.306 --> 05:14.167 [SPEAKER_01]: I love that for you. 05:14.247 --> 05:14.687 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm excited. 05:14.827 --> 05:16.108 [SPEAKER_01]: Have you seen O'Merry before? 05:16.468 --> 05:16.688 [SPEAKER_00]: No. 05:17.864 --> 05:18.204 [SPEAKER_00]: Have you? 05:18.964 --> 05:19.245 [SPEAKER_01]: Yes. 05:19.585 --> 05:20.485 [SPEAKER_01]: Would you see in it? 05:20.545 --> 05:21.045 [SPEAKER_00]: A circle. 05:21.265 --> 05:22.386 [SPEAKER_00]: A circle is cooler. 05:22.486 --> 05:23.006 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. 05:23.446 --> 05:24.287 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm not trying to brag about it. 05:24.307 --> 05:25.187 [SPEAKER_01]: I saw the original cast. 05:25.587 --> 05:26.548 [SPEAKER_01]: I saw the original cast. 05:26.708 --> 05:28.328 [SPEAKER_01]: So, so suck on that. 05:28.749 --> 05:30.329 [SPEAKER_01]: So I actually suck on that. 05:30.949 --> 05:32.310 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm excited for you to see my Rudolph. 05:34.027 --> 05:35.848 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm excited for me to see my root off too. 05:36.669 --> 05:39.651 [SPEAKER_01]: Last night after the fish, I went to my friend Nat's house. 05:40.992 --> 05:45.595 [SPEAKER_01]: And because they texted me yesterday and they were like, hey, I have this weird audition. 05:45.615 --> 05:46.596 [SPEAKER_01]: Do you want to do it with me? 05:46.616 --> 05:47.957 [SPEAKER_01]: They're looking for comedy duos. 05:48.077 --> 05:49.398 [SPEAKER_01]: And I was like, yeah, I do. 05:50.198 --> 05:50.758 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I do. 05:51.259 --> 05:53.860 [SPEAKER_01]: Just so you know, I didn't realize it at the time. 05:53.880 --> 05:57.182 [SPEAKER_01]: I just said yes because I like my friend and I wanted to help them out. 05:57.502 --> 05:57.802 [SPEAKER_00]: Mm-hmm. 05:57.822 --> 06:00.803 [SPEAKER_01]: And um, ended up being... Can't be more than you thought. 06:01.504 --> 06:04.005 [SPEAKER_01]: Just peace 25,000 dollars if I get this. 06:04.405 --> 06:05.165 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, if you book it? 06:05.866 --> 06:06.186 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. 06:06.946 --> 06:07.126 [SPEAKER_01]: Hey. 06:07.166 --> 06:09.167 [SPEAKER_01]: And I didn't even ask availability. 06:09.187 --> 06:10.268 [SPEAKER_01]: I was like, okay, I'll do it. 06:10.288 --> 06:12.709 [SPEAKER_01]: And miraculously, I'm, I'm available. 06:13.370 --> 06:14.190 [SPEAKER_01]: So we film it. 06:14.630 --> 06:15.431 [SPEAKER_01]: And I'm gonna book it. 06:15.531 --> 06:16.191 [SPEAKER_01]: We're gonna book it. 06:16.231 --> 06:16.871 [SPEAKER_01]: That's for sure. 06:16.951 --> 06:18.172 [SPEAKER_01]: But the funny part of it is, 06:20.139 --> 06:24.761 [SPEAKER_01]: Is that on the, I feel like I shouldn't talk about it because like then I'm definitely not going to get it right, but that's silly. 06:24.841 --> 06:26.061 [SPEAKER_01]: That actually doesn't fucking matter. 06:26.081 --> 06:27.962 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I just think good about it. 06:28.642 --> 06:33.164 [SPEAKER_01]: Is that on, I mean, my hopes and dreams are not on this thing, right? 06:33.264 --> 06:36.045 [SPEAKER_01]: I just did it because I was like, oh, I like my friend and I really want to help them out. 06:36.125 --> 06:40.507 [SPEAKER_01]: And we get to do a funny video where we're going to like laugh and giggle the whole time. 06:40.687 --> 06:41.187 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I'm in. 06:42.107 --> 06:48.570 [SPEAKER_01]: The funny thing about it is in the description that we, I saw after it said, Gen Z comedy do. 06:50.373 --> 07:04.178 [SPEAKER_01]: Uh-oh, so we recorded this and I was like, oh, I am not Gen Z and I feel like in that one I was like, hello, fellow youths like I feel like I became they're gonna be like, who's this old bitch? 07:04.859 --> 07:12.922 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm like, I don't think that's me they're looking, it's not me they're looking for But I was like, that's maybe why we're gonna book it because they're like, they think they know 07:13.242 --> 07:17.765 [SPEAKER_01]: They think they know what they want, but at you, they think they know what they want, but they don't. 07:17.965 --> 07:22.267 [SPEAKER_01]: And they're going to be like, wow, look at these really, because it's a live event. 07:22.347 --> 07:25.709 [SPEAKER_01]: And they're like, and you film a live event, which is just embarrassing. 07:26.930 --> 07:31.753 [SPEAKER_01]: But they're going to be like, wow, look at these mature people here too. 07:32.673 --> 07:33.834 [SPEAKER_01]: Teach us about Pinterest. 07:34.114 --> 07:36.456 [SPEAKER_01]: So really exciting stuff, really exciting stuff. 07:36.836 --> 07:37.856 [SPEAKER_00]: Let me excited for you. 07:37.876 --> 07:38.897 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm sure you're going to book it. 07:39.580 --> 07:40.520 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm sure I'm going to book it. 07:40.620 --> 07:41.101 [SPEAKER_00]: Why wouldn't I? 07:41.121 --> 07:41.761 [SPEAKER_01]: Without a doubt. 07:42.081 --> 07:43.962 [SPEAKER_00]: Well, yeah, well, question, question. 07:44.082 --> 07:44.642 [SPEAKER_00]: Why wouldn't you? 07:45.442 --> 07:49.204 [SPEAKER_01]: But by the time I texted Quinn last night, I was like, hey, it was the love to clock at night. 07:49.224 --> 07:51.345 [SPEAKER_01]: And I was like, hey, hey, hey. 07:51.365 --> 07:53.445 [SPEAKER_00]: So we're going to be really forgiving today. 07:53.465 --> 07:54.906 [SPEAKER_00]: We're going to be forgiving today. 07:54.926 --> 07:57.107 [SPEAKER_00]: We're going to have a part of forgiveness. 07:58.440 --> 08:01.082 [SPEAKER_01]: We're gonna come with the heart of forgiveness so really appreciate everyone. 08:01.302 --> 08:03.384 [SPEAKER_01]: I obviously, here's the deal. 08:04.084 --> 08:05.706 [SPEAKER_01]: Do I wish I got more sleep less night? 08:05.746 --> 08:06.526 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I do. 08:06.927 --> 08:07.687 [SPEAKER_01]: I really, really do. 08:07.707 --> 08:10.169 [SPEAKER_01]: And my here right now, I am. 08:10.610 --> 08:11.550 [SPEAKER_01]: Can I do hard things? 08:11.811 --> 08:12.391 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I can. 08:13.132 --> 08:13.552 [SPEAKER_01]: It's worth it. 08:13.632 --> 08:14.293 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I can. 08:15.253 --> 08:15.934 [SPEAKER_00]: She's about to. 08:16.694 --> 08:17.475 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm about to bed. 08:17.915 --> 08:18.536 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm about to. 08:21.618 --> 08:22.379 [SPEAKER_01]: What else has happened? 08:22.439 --> 08:23.620 [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, did you cook your red fish? 08:25.146 --> 08:29.829 [SPEAKER_00]: No, I froze it because I was working and I was acting yesterday. 08:31.169 --> 08:37.153 [SPEAKER_00]: Basically, we had the day with the kids and we took them to Brooklyn Bridge Park and did all the different playgrounds. 08:38.073 --> 08:41.555 [SPEAKER_00]: My friends came with your favorite of the playgrounds. 08:42.258 --> 08:42.398 [SPEAKER_00]: Mm-hmm. 08:42.599 --> 08:43.519 [SPEAKER_00]: Not the water one. 08:45.421 --> 08:47.363 [SPEAKER_00]: I like slide mountain. 08:47.623 --> 08:48.264 [SPEAKER_01]: Slide bone. 08:48.784 --> 08:50.966 [SPEAKER_00]: There's swing valley, slide mountain. 08:51.307 --> 08:52.868 [SPEAKER_00]: There's a big sand dog. 08:53.268 --> 08:53.509 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. 08:53.689 --> 08:54.529 [SPEAKER_00]: Sand garden. 08:54.630 --> 08:56.011 [SPEAKER_00]: We did all those. 08:56.211 --> 08:57.512 [SPEAKER_00]: Then we took them along the water. 08:57.893 --> 09:00.395 [SPEAKER_00]: Then I had to leave early and go to the city to act. 09:00.755 --> 09:03.798 [SPEAKER_00]: Then I got on a train and met everybody at Magic. 09:06.365 --> 09:07.186 [SPEAKER_01]: That sounds fun. 09:07.927 --> 09:08.848 [SPEAKER_01]: It wasn't not fun. 09:09.629 --> 09:11.411 [SPEAKER_01]: That sounds like a great day that you had. 09:11.431 --> 09:13.253 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it was actually really great. 09:14.014 --> 09:15.435 [SPEAKER_01]: I went from here to work. 09:15.836 --> 09:23.965 [SPEAKER_01]: I recorded, I went to work, I went to fish share, I went to audition by the time I got home, it was 11.30, and I was like, well, I have an in-dinner. 09:26.848 --> 09:28.609 [SPEAKER_01]: And I was like, I really, so I watched what I did. 09:28.670 --> 09:29.170 [SPEAKER_01]: Spoiler alert. 09:29.230 --> 09:31.692 [SPEAKER_01]: I watched a TV show and wrote down everything. 09:31.772 --> 09:33.653 [SPEAKER_01]: So I did a book report on a show. 09:34.073 --> 09:35.234 [SPEAKER_01]: And that's, and that's what I did. 09:36.215 --> 09:37.136 [SPEAKER_01]: And that's actually what I did. 09:38.296 --> 09:40.978 [SPEAKER_01]: Well, we should we just give these book reports. 09:41.799 --> 09:45.762 [SPEAKER_01]: I think we should get these book reports because let's first get my brain isn't fully functioning. 09:46.582 --> 09:51.426 [SPEAKER_01]: And so I'm really looking forward to hearing yours before I go and do mine. 09:51.766 --> 09:51.926 [SPEAKER_01]: Okay. 09:54.067 --> 09:55.588 [SPEAKER_01]: Hey, by the way, you're listening to truly. 09:56.188 --> 09:56.748 [SPEAKER_00]: Darkly. 09:56.768 --> 09:58.989 [SPEAKER_01]: Great. 09:59.229 --> 10:00.730 [SPEAKER_00]: Great. 10:01.430 --> 10:02.551 [SPEAKER_00]: I have a question for you. 10:02.691 --> 10:03.651 [SPEAKER_00]: It's boring question. 10:03.691 --> 10:06.812 [SPEAKER_00]: But before we get alerted, it is an important question. 10:06.832 --> 10:07.913 [SPEAKER_00]: Okay. 10:10.132 --> 10:16.117 [SPEAKER_00]: I just bought this cute, gauze gap outfit and I ordered it online. 10:16.297 --> 10:21.481 [SPEAKER_00]: So then when it came, it was all yellow, like it's a set and it was too sheer, but I do like the outfit. 10:21.561 --> 10:26.785 [SPEAKER_00]: But I was like the yellow's too clear, like you're gonna be able to see too much happening in my pants. 10:27.305 --> 10:38.194 [SPEAKER_00]: So it was like, okay, I'm gonna get a brown, but okay, my first choice would be like masculine green, which I've paid that they named it that, gross, is it like a sage green? 10:38.414 --> 10:38.675 [SPEAKER_00]: Yes. 10:39.516 --> 10:39.716 [SPEAKER_00]: Okay. 10:39.756 --> 10:41.198 [SPEAKER_00]: Sage is a cute way to say that. 10:41.218 --> 10:43.222 [SPEAKER_00]: That's when it sounds like I'm confused. 10:44.163 --> 10:53.758 [SPEAKER_01]: I was going to just sounds like a fun fancy salad and you go gap, stop trying to heart your gap, relax, calm down, be my first choice at this point. 10:56.760 --> 11:08.727 [SPEAKER_00]: However, they also have brown, which are like brown, do I want an old brown outfit, but the brown can't part of the outfit is on sale, and it would take the cost of the entire 11:11.966 --> 11:33.917 [SPEAKER_01]: I would order the color that I want because the thing is the color that you want is the color you're going to wear most and then what I would do is I would track it and when it goes on sale, I would repurchase it and then return, oh, it has to be within 30 days as a turn I don't know what the gap return policy, but then I would return it within 30 days with the new receipt. 11:35.122 --> 11:36.083 [SPEAKER_01]: just so mad. 11:36.383 --> 11:38.585 [SPEAKER_01]: I didn't really get like cost so much money. 11:39.466 --> 11:40.567 [SPEAKER_01]: Everything costs money right now. 11:40.607 --> 11:46.712 [SPEAKER_00]: It's like, it's a perfect summer loop and it's no iron and it's like lightweight. 11:46.772 --> 11:48.954 [SPEAKER_00]: It's like it was going to be like my whole France look. 11:49.812 --> 11:53.534 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I mean, it was like, this is what the woman in France wears. 11:54.054 --> 11:56.255 [SPEAKER_00]: Can I send you a picture before you see the naked day? 11:56.275 --> 11:56.875 [SPEAKER_00]: Do anything. 11:57.215 --> 12:00.457 [SPEAKER_01]: So lady in friends and the dead, dead, dead. 12:01.457 --> 12:03.738 [SPEAKER_01]: Um, and I just send you the Luke. 12:04.438 --> 12:05.999 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, please, that's what I'm asking for. 12:06.019 --> 12:07.720 [SPEAKER_01]: That's what they'll give the people what they want. 12:07.740 --> 12:10.201 [SPEAKER_01]: And by the people, I mean me, give me what I want. 12:12.202 --> 12:16.143 [SPEAKER_00]: Here's the brown one, and then maybe you can see a little bit. 12:16.163 --> 12:17.824 [SPEAKER_01]: No, no, I see, I see, I see, I see, I see. 12:18.949 --> 12:20.350 [SPEAKER_00]: masculine, then I sent you brown. 12:21.130 --> 12:22.450 [SPEAKER_01]: I think it's going to look cute. 12:22.470 --> 12:24.011 [SPEAKER_01]: Let me see my skull. 12:24.031 --> 12:24.711 [SPEAKER_01]: Let me sit brown. 12:27.152 --> 12:29.113 [SPEAKER_01]: I think the brown is pretty cute. 12:32.414 --> 12:36.376 [SPEAKER_01]: I think the color brown and it's just that my hair's brown. 12:38.436 --> 12:39.197 [SPEAKER_01]: Are you afraid? 12:39.217 --> 12:39.677 [SPEAKER_01]: Too much. 12:40.497 --> 12:40.737 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't 12:46.800 --> 12:49.682 [SPEAKER_01]: You guys, I don't know how many times I've talked to Quinn about this. 12:50.662 --> 12:52.483 [SPEAKER_01]: Carrie, I'm just afraid I'm like a walking turd. 12:52.924 --> 12:54.365 [SPEAKER_00]: You won't look like a walking turd. 12:54.505 --> 12:55.285 [SPEAKER_01]: I think you're gonna look great. 12:55.305 --> 12:56.746 [SPEAKER_01]: I think the bride is gonna look pretty cute. 12:57.106 --> 12:58.827 [SPEAKER_01]: The other thing is you can order the bride, be like, you know what? 12:59.007 --> 13:00.368 [SPEAKER_01]: I really want the green, order the green. 13:00.929 --> 13:01.909 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't think that's gonna sell out. 13:01.929 --> 13:03.370 [SPEAKER_01]: I have $2.00 in points. 13:04.691 --> 13:07.012 [SPEAKER_01]: You must be feel like you're a rich bitch. 13:07.072 --> 13:11.015 [SPEAKER_00]: So it will be actually $2 off, I shouldn't mention that. 13:11.155 --> 13:13.036 [SPEAKER_01]: Sorry, you did mention that before. 13:13.056 --> 13:14.737 [SPEAKER_01]: I forgot to tell you all the facts. 13:14.997 --> 13:16.177 [SPEAKER_01]: That's so stupid. 13:16.217 --> 13:20.378 [SPEAKER_01]: Do you think there's there's got to be gap has like 20% off of everything. 13:20.398 --> 13:24.339 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm like surprised extra 30% off sale. 13:24.739 --> 13:26.799 [SPEAKER_01]: So yeah, that's sale tab. 13:28.299 --> 13:33.520 [SPEAKER_01]: Wait, because if there's a sale tab, then don't the brown pants are those 50% off sale. 13:33.760 --> 13:35.181 [SPEAKER_00]: I got to click on the sale tab. 13:35.641 --> 13:36.141 [SPEAKER_00]: See, let's go. 13:36.161 --> 13:38.441 [SPEAKER_01]: No, you might have to just input a promo code. 13:38.461 --> 13:42.862 [SPEAKER_00]: If that's the case, do you probably should get the picture this out together? 13:45.171 --> 13:51.015 [SPEAKER_01]: What's funny is I was like, when I'm so tired and when it's like, yeah, yeah, let me tell you about this outfit. 13:51.055 --> 13:52.376 [SPEAKER_01]: And I genuinely am shopping. 13:52.476 --> 13:54.838 [SPEAKER_01]: This is the most concerned I've been the whole day. 13:55.538 --> 13:56.859 [SPEAKER_01]: I just woke up so this is the most concerned. 13:56.879 --> 13:59.641 [SPEAKER_00]: I like it because I feel like I was able to really activate you. 13:59.942 --> 14:01.903 [SPEAKER_00]: Like you were asleep a minute ago. 14:01.923 --> 14:06.126 [SPEAKER_00]: The two coffee and now we're trying to figure out if gap has any sale codes. 14:06.766 --> 14:08.708 [SPEAKER_00]: And I feel strong and passionate about that. 14:08.868 --> 14:11.009 [SPEAKER_01]: I do feel and feel impatient by that way. 14:11.530 --> 14:13.211 [SPEAKER_01]: I had to tell you, so do you know how I liked 14:14.832 --> 14:15.072 [SPEAKER_01]: Mm-hmm. 14:16.573 --> 14:22.014 [SPEAKER_01]: Well, Everlane was just sold to Sheen, the fast-fashioned brand. 14:23.095 --> 14:25.475 [SPEAKER_01]: No, I love Everlane. 14:26.036 --> 14:29.457 [SPEAKER_01]: Well, I think it's done, because Sheen... 14:29.517 --> 14:30.917 [SPEAKER_00]: It doesn't make us fast-fashioned. 14:31.017 --> 14:35.039 [SPEAKER_00]: But like, because they're like, you know, 11 Madison Park, McDonald's just bought them. 14:35.079 --> 14:36.079 [SPEAKER_01]: Yes, exactly right. 14:36.119 --> 14:42.341 [SPEAKER_01]: So there was an article I saw, something was posted, the founder of Everlane, who created it. 14:47.112 --> 14:58.878 [SPEAKER_01]: The man who created Everlane, he found out about the sale 20 minutes before, so he was a management company who sold it and he was like, what the fuck? 14:59.519 --> 15:04.401 [SPEAKER_01]: So immediately he's like, I found out about the sale that takes everything I created Everlane. 15:04.461 --> 15:05.442 [SPEAKER_01]: That's insane. 15:05.682 --> 15:06.943 [SPEAKER_01]: That's what sale I don't like it. 15:07.023 --> 15:13.906 [SPEAKER_01]: So he's going to start another new clothing brand that talks about radical transparency called still reliable. 15:17.668 --> 15:21.491 [SPEAKER_01]: I just, I, Evelyn was purchased by Sheen, and that's, and that's that. 15:22.971 --> 15:23.832 [SPEAKER_01]: Isn't that crazy? 15:23.892 --> 15:24.933 [SPEAKER_00]: It's pretty surprised. 15:25.673 --> 15:40.922 [SPEAKER_01]: Yes, because Evelyn was like this millennial, like, um, this millennial response to fast fashion, and it was like, hey, do you want to bake at basics that are like reliably made or like give you how much the actual cost is? 15:40.962 --> 15:42.623 [SPEAKER_01]: Like, it became like, um, 15:44.352 --> 15:45.814 [SPEAKER_01]: sort of ethically made transparent. 15:45.834 --> 15:54.222 [SPEAKER_01]: Although I think as Everland continued, there was like unethical business practices and how they treated their employees because they weren't allowing them to unionize. 15:54.443 --> 16:00.889 [SPEAKER_01]: So it's like there was a little while where like couldn't buy Everland because you were like, well, their union busters and that's not good. 16:00.929 --> 16:02.651 [SPEAKER_01]: Their employees deserve protection, blah blah blah. 16:02.671 --> 16:06.335 [SPEAKER_01]: So anyway, so just wanted to let you know, Sheen has purchased Everland. 16:09.057 --> 16:09.898 [SPEAKER_01]: feels bad, doesn't it? 16:10.578 --> 16:17.121 [SPEAKER_01]: It was just bad, it was just so stupid, but here we are in this world that we call dystopia. 16:19.283 --> 16:25.746 [SPEAKER_01]: So I was dating this guy a while ago and he sort of exposed me to survivor, he was really into it. 16:26.286 --> 16:37.553 [SPEAKER_01]: And now I really like it and this finale just happened and I'm, and it's so fun and I have to say the good thing about dating is you really just kind of get to pick and choose what you want to keep out of those relationships. 16:38.593 --> 16:44.256 [SPEAKER_01]: And so you might be alone at the end of the day, but at least you can watch a reality TV show. 16:48.178 --> 16:49.518 [SPEAKER_00]: Everything has just took me in. 16:51.899 --> 16:52.980 [SPEAKER_01]: It's a quiz face. 16:53.580 --> 16:54.080 [SPEAKER_01]: It's a quiz. 16:54.400 --> 16:57.442 [SPEAKER_01]: It's a quiz. 16:58.062 --> 16:59.963 [SPEAKER_01]: That was the most sympathy I think you've ever given. 17:01.673 --> 17:05.538 [SPEAKER_00]: And that moment, quid, quid, quid looks like you feel like they left you. 17:09.122 --> 17:17.332 [SPEAKER_01]: I feel like you loved me and you felt sorry for me and that's and both of those things happen simultaneously on your face and I saw it and I really liked it and I think it's true. 17:20.607 --> 17:24.070 [SPEAKER_01]: Hey, it just you do me a quick favor like a really quick favor. 17:24.730 --> 17:26.431 [SPEAKER_01]: Could you do me a favor and stop shopping? 17:27.012 --> 17:28.433 [SPEAKER_01]: All right, in the middle of our podcast. 17:28.893 --> 17:30.814 [SPEAKER_01]: Can I say this is a serious idea? 17:32.095 --> 17:34.137 [SPEAKER_00]: Why don't people listen to this show? 17:41.282 --> 17:41.902 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know. 17:41.922 --> 17:46.846 [SPEAKER_01]: I think they find us to be like, here's a, I gotta tell you, I 17:52.598 --> 17:53.298 [SPEAKER_01]: I have a hard time. 17:54.019 --> 17:56.500 [SPEAKER_01]: When do you, when do I tell people I date about this podcast? 17:56.660 --> 17:58.962 [SPEAKER_01]: When do I go on dates with people and I'm like, I have a podcast. 17:59.462 --> 17:59.742 [SPEAKER_00]: Never. 17:59.762 --> 18:01.483 [SPEAKER_00]: Risky. 18:03.364 --> 18:06.586 [SPEAKER_01]: Because then they could listen and you're like, who is this woman? 18:07.127 --> 18:08.127 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, don't do it. 18:10.028 --> 18:10.669 [SPEAKER_00]: You'll be judged. 18:11.809 --> 18:12.710 [SPEAKER_00]: It's not worth it. 18:15.372 --> 18:15.972 [SPEAKER_00]: So great. 18:18.741 --> 18:22.103 [SPEAKER_00]: Hey Quinn, hey, well you tell me a story. 18:22.623 --> 18:23.104 [SPEAKER_00]: I'll do it. 18:23.604 --> 18:24.805 [SPEAKER_00]: This isn't well sort of. 18:24.845 --> 18:25.846 [SPEAKER_00]: This isn't really a story. 18:25.886 --> 18:27.386 [SPEAKER_00]: This is like me being like what? 18:27.406 --> 18:33.931 [SPEAKER_00]: I was reading all that's interesting and readers digest and there's a sort of 18:34.711 --> 18:54.460 [SPEAKER_00]: Interesting story going around where in 2019 a guy that is on TikTok and his name is the ascension dot arc said that he was hit by a car and then died choking on his own blood in the clinical sense of course so he was resuscitated but 18:56.161 --> 19:01.604 [SPEAKER_00]: He keeps having visions afterwards, and we've heard of these near-death experiences changing people. 19:02.145 --> 19:15.292 [SPEAKER_00]: He says that it gave him a superpower, and it's called remote viewing, where he can suddenly see it's like being psychic, where you can be inside people places events. 19:16.593 --> 19:25.019 [SPEAKER_00]: But he doesn't like to talk about it because people say he's crazy, but he does like to talk about it because he's on TikTok and it's been viewed 2.4 million times. 19:25.459 --> 19:27.340 [SPEAKER_00]: So it's a mix really I would say. 19:28.521 --> 19:34.865 [SPEAKER_00]: There are a lot of people online that are in communities that talk about having experiences like this. 19:35.126 --> 19:37.747 [SPEAKER_00]: There's also science shows that are called 19:38.748 --> 19:57.435 [SPEAKER_00]: that are about near-death experiences, but it's interesting because what in the main things that he talks about is the social isolation that comes from having an NDA, which is near-death experience, and so a lot of people that have had them, that's why these communities get formed, is there all like, did you die too? 19:57.575 --> 19:58.816 [SPEAKER_00]: What did you experience? 20:00.397 --> 20:19.272 [SPEAKER_00]: It's not just a bunch of whoy, which is to say, psychology today talks about it, talks about how people that have had near-death experiences that have been documented, can have major shifts in personality and in worldview, often divorce is 20:20.757 --> 20:28.060 [SPEAKER_00]: is a higher probability in a couple where one of them has experienced it, where afterwards it's like, you don't know what I went through. 20:28.080 --> 20:49.368 [SPEAKER_00]: I think that what I, the more I read about it, the more I was like, I guess once you've been through that it's really hard to talk to anybody that hasn't, the more profound the experiences I read, the more likely someone is to alter their life and also want those supports in place. 20:51.183 --> 21:04.260 [SPEAKER_00]: This then reminded me of the real research that has been done around the Stargate project, which was when the CIA spent $20 million on trying to understand if remote viewing was a thing. 21:05.121 --> 21:06.503 [SPEAKER_00]: We all know about that. 21:06.543 --> 21:08.525 [SPEAKER_00]: We, I'm sure you and I've talked about it. 21:08.846 --> 21:09.066 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. 21:09.386 --> 21:13.347 [SPEAKER_00]: So I'll just summarize that they didn't do the 20 million was spent. 21:13.507 --> 21:31.652 [SPEAKER_00]: We did not come away with any scientific evidence that necessarily supported that it's real, but in the 1970s we did decide to launch all these secret research programs to be like, can we weaponize psychic abilities to use as a Cold War intelligence tool? 21:33.172 --> 21:44.857 [SPEAKER_00]: And we did this for 20 years, we spent, like I said, $20 million, it was a small program in that I think we only had like 25 people working on it. 21:46.737 --> 21:58.962 [SPEAKER_00]: But the declassified documents show that we also went to a TV personality in the UK Erie Galler who could bend spoons with his mind, and we were like, so your clairvoyant 22:01.683 --> 22:02.403 [SPEAKER_00]: This happened. 22:02.443 --> 22:03.503 [SPEAKER_00]: This is the U.S. government. 22:03.543 --> 22:04.984 [SPEAKER_00]: It's really interesting to me. 22:06.004 --> 22:09.965 [SPEAKER_00]: And also there's the horrible thing we're like, Erie went on the air. 22:11.225 --> 22:13.805 [SPEAKER_00]: Who's the old TV host? 22:14.405 --> 22:15.266 [SPEAKER_00]: Maybe he's Carson. 22:16.066 --> 22:19.026 [SPEAKER_00]: And he was like bend a spoon and he couldn't. 22:19.526 --> 22:27.788 [SPEAKER_00]: I also thought this was really interesting given the fact that last night I watched the magician bend spoon with his mind and twist spoons with his mind. 22:28.888 --> 22:32.577 [SPEAKER_00]: But, ooh, not because he's kind of not talking to him. 22:33.800 --> 22:34.783 [SPEAKER_01]: Is it a big Mac, then? 22:36.246 --> 22:43.327 [SPEAKER_00]: No, it was things like keep actually physically bends them when you're not looking and then is holding them in a way where you can't tell them. 22:43.568 --> 22:44.408 [SPEAKER_00]: They've already bent. 22:44.788 --> 22:52.289 [SPEAKER_00]: It's like the idea that almost every magic trick is done in the first second and all the whoey that happens around it is just how to reveal that it happened. 22:52.649 --> 22:53.670 [SPEAKER_00]: But it's already happened. 22:53.730 --> 22:56.310 [SPEAKER_00]: There's no- You just have to build a good storyteller. 22:56.350 --> 22:57.910 [SPEAKER_00]: Well, yeah, in your imagination. 22:57.930 --> 22:59.731 [SPEAKER_00]: And really good slate of hand and really good. 23:00.451 --> 23:04.132 [SPEAKER_00]: What do you call it when you're trying to throw focus? 23:05.872 --> 23:14.619 [SPEAKER_00]: the idea of an illusion or a distraction or like just the idea that he can be like he can get your eyes on the wrong thing and do whatever he wants. 23:17.282 --> 23:28.011 [SPEAKER_00]: So once we've terminated projects stargate because in 1998, which feels really recent, really recent, and Congress actually had continued paranormal research until 1995. 23:30.709 --> 23:31.190 [SPEAKER_00]: whatever. 23:31.751 --> 23:33.393 [SPEAKER_00]: We weren't the only ones doing this at least. 23:33.694 --> 23:46.253 [SPEAKER_00]: The UK was like we love studying this and they didn't stop till way later, 2001, 2002 and they had 18 subjects to see whether we could do this remote viewing. 23:48.492 --> 24:00.582 [SPEAKER_00]: They also say that they try to use it to locate American hostages, predict the crash site of Skylab space station, and figure out where missiles were during the Gulf War. 24:02.023 --> 24:03.464 [SPEAKER_00]: I guess none of this really worked though. 24:03.624 --> 24:04.425 [SPEAKER_00]: That's such a bummer. 24:04.445 --> 24:08.789 [SPEAKER_00]: It would have been cool if after 20 million we were like, and they're like, we can use this. 24:09.409 --> 24:10.370 [SPEAKER_00]: It would have been really cool. 24:10.430 --> 24:13.452 [SPEAKER_00]: Hey, can I just confirm it would have been really cool. 24:19.298 --> 24:21.080 [SPEAKER_01]: I can't even do the math, but a lot. 24:21.180 --> 24:22.081 [SPEAKER_01]: And I'm so many. 24:22.322 --> 24:23.243 [SPEAKER_01]: Maybe more than they have. 24:23.483 --> 24:26.547 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know if they made $20 million worth of God's jumpsuits. 24:27.828 --> 24:30.431 [SPEAKER_01]: And I bet they would give you a special discount if you offered that. 24:32.293 --> 24:33.795 [SPEAKER_00]: See what else I want to tell you about. 24:33.975 --> 24:35.317 [SPEAKER_00]: Let's read this research. 24:38.792 --> 24:57.347 [SPEAKER_00]: In a 2005 interview that Jimmy Carter gave to GQ Magazine, he talks about how when he was President, the administration was like, we can't find this twin-engine plane that went down in Africa and the director of the CIA is like, we have to use the psychic medium. 24:57.847 --> 24:59.749 [SPEAKER_00]: Can you imagine being President and being like, really? 24:59.849 --> 25:01.550 [SPEAKER_00]: That's how you're going to find it. 25:05.324 --> 25:08.425 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, I think as a president, your life would probably be pretty high stress. 25:08.485 --> 25:11.746 [SPEAKER_01]: And so if somebody's like, hello, Mr. President, I have a magic trick. 25:11.766 --> 25:15.188 [SPEAKER_00]: I'd like to show you kind of would be like, okay, like, okay, you know what? 25:15.228 --> 25:16.728 [SPEAKER_01]: This sounds like a fun different thing. 25:16.748 --> 25:18.409 [SPEAKER_01]: Like, I mean, a lot of briefs. 25:18.669 --> 25:20.910 [SPEAKER_01]: I just wanted to come and do magic for me. 25:21.170 --> 25:26.934 [SPEAKER_00]: It was a winner when you become president, how alarming it is when people are coming into your office and they're like, aliens are real. 25:27.214 --> 25:28.996 [SPEAKER_00]: Here's a little alien body we found. 25:29.336 --> 25:30.257 [SPEAKER_00]: Psychics are real. 25:30.537 --> 25:39.543 [SPEAKER_00]: The way we're gonna figure this out is ask a woman that lives in her basement in Santa Cruz where she thinks the plane is. 25:39.704 --> 25:41.825 [SPEAKER_01]: Like, it's just would be so hot in her face. 25:42.486 --> 25:45.668 [SPEAKER_00]: I think we're so grown-ups would be the feeling, I think. 25:47.353 --> 25:48.774 [SPEAKER_01]: and you'd be like, oh shit, it's me. 25:49.454 --> 25:50.574 [SPEAKER_01]: Fuck. 25:50.614 --> 25:50.855 [SPEAKER_00]: Fuck. 25:51.135 --> 25:58.118 [SPEAKER_00]: Even though it's maybe not real, I still was, you know, I think these near-death experiences are real. 25:58.318 --> 26:13.585 [SPEAKER_00]: So they are, like, this is, that's not made up, which is to say, I can't tell you what these people come back and say that they're telling the truth, but medically, it's real that people have died for, 26:14.883 --> 26:15.143 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. 26:15.343 --> 26:19.384 [SPEAKER_00]: Some amount of time come back and had something they want to say about it. 26:19.685 --> 26:32.889 [SPEAKER_00]: It doesn't seem like there would be a ton of motivation to make it up, but it also seems like if you're dying, there's probably things that happen physically to your body and your brain that could create hallucinations. 26:33.309 --> 26:39.512 [SPEAKER_00]: So it's hard to know, did you leave your body in C, X, Y, and Z, or did you just experience? 26:40.453 --> 26:43.114 [SPEAKER_00]: Anyway, just to, you know, fund it up a little today. 26:44.555 --> 26:50.038 [SPEAKER_00]: This reader's digest had a few people that wanted to tell us about their experiences. 26:50.078 --> 26:53.360 [SPEAKER_00]: And I thought I'd just grab a few from that and let you know what happened there. 26:54.384 --> 26:54.644 [SPEAKER_00]: Great. 26:55.184 --> 27:09.090 [SPEAKER_00]: So when 1994, there was an orthopedic surgeon named Tony Chicoria, and he's on a lake house trip, Colin is mom, talking on the phone, why is he talking on the phone during a lightning storm? 27:09.110 --> 27:09.751 [SPEAKER_00]: We don't know. 27:10.251 --> 27:21.916 [SPEAKER_00]: Suddenly, boom, he flies the fuck backward, and he says, in that moment, he turns to look, and what does he see lying on the ground, but himself, himself. 27:22.716 --> 27:28.900 [SPEAKER_00]: So he was like, oh, there he came, I'm dead, but he talks about how he wasn't sad at all. 27:28.980 --> 27:30.301 [SPEAKER_00]: He just felt fine. 27:30.321 --> 27:31.562 [SPEAKER_00]: He felt happy even. 27:32.443 --> 27:36.546 [SPEAKER_00]: And it was just an enormous feeling of well-being and peace. 27:37.326 --> 27:40.568 [SPEAKER_00]: He said that the highest and lowest points of his life raced by him. 27:40.669 --> 27:47.733 [SPEAKER_00]: So it's that classic thing of like your life flashes before your eyes, but he said he felt so good, like ecstasy. 27:47.813 --> 27:49.395 [SPEAKER_00]: And then boom, he was back in his body. 27:50.862 --> 27:52.764 [SPEAKER_00]: Ooh, did it hurt? 27:54.286 --> 27:55.047 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm sure. 27:55.207 --> 27:58.271 [SPEAKER_00]: Can you imagine, have you ever touched an electric fence? 27:59.793 --> 28:01.254 [SPEAKER_00]: No, I'm not color or mad. 28:01.775 --> 28:08.142 [SPEAKER_00]: Have you ever touched an electric fence then held your child's hand and seen if the electric current would shoot through you to them? 28:12.024 --> 28:17.687 [SPEAKER_00]: After a four-year battle with lymphatic cancer, there was a woman named Anita Morjani. 28:18.587 --> 28:28.212 [SPEAKER_00]: She fell into a coma and she recalls that during the coma, she was floating outside her body and could see everything around her. 28:29.133 --> 28:33.735 [SPEAKER_00]: She had what she refers to as 360-degree peripheral vision. 28:33.955 --> 28:38.858 [SPEAKER_00]: So in other words, you're completely aware of everything in a way that our eyes don't work. 28:41.067 --> 28:43.029 [SPEAKER_00]: She talked to her dad back in the back of her heads. 28:43.449 --> 28:43.969 [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, wow. 28:44.290 --> 28:47.872 [SPEAKER_00]: And he was like, you can't keep coming this way. 28:47.893 --> 28:50.254 [SPEAKER_00]: Like, if you go any further, you won't be able to go back. 28:51.235 --> 28:52.756 [SPEAKER_00]: And she's like, I don't want to go back. 28:52.796 --> 28:53.697 [SPEAKER_00]: This is beautiful. 28:54.378 --> 28:56.860 [SPEAKER_00]: But it sounds like Dad was a little bit like, yeah. 28:57.460 --> 28:58.141 [SPEAKER_00]: Go back for a bit. 28:58.161 --> 28:58.541 [SPEAKER_00]: Go back. 28:59.021 --> 28:59.522 [SPEAKER_00]: Go back. 28:59.862 --> 29:06.627 [SPEAKER_00]: But she said she just felt a feeling similar to the ecstasy feeling or other friend felt of unconditional love. 29:07.368 --> 29:25.983 [SPEAKER_00]: She was in the coma for 30 hours and then became conscious, then she woke up and everything regained function and now she is cancer-free and she talks to groups about this experience and she wrote a book called What If This Is Heaven? 29:27.503 --> 29:28.304 [SPEAKER_00]: Love it. 29:29.684 --> 29:35.906 [SPEAKER_00]: David Ditchfield also in 2006 was dragged under a train. 29:37.366 --> 29:39.667 [SPEAKER_00]: That doesn't sound like a train should survive. 29:40.547 --> 29:41.867 [SPEAKER_01]: That's so scary. 29:42.027 --> 29:43.308 [SPEAKER_01]: That's so scary. 29:43.328 --> 29:52.490 [SPEAKER_00]: So he died during surgery and came back and he talks about scene pulsing orbs and beans of light and again he uses the term unconditional love. 29:53.571 --> 30:10.108 [SPEAKER_00]: When he came back, he did a bunch of paintings about what he saw and composed music about what he saw, which I think is so right on because it feels like isn't that a little bit like what art is, are these things we cannot wrap our brain or language around, so we need to just... 30:11.429 --> 30:14.170 [SPEAKER_00]: create art around what those experiences might be. 30:14.270 --> 30:20.993 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, um, he debuted a symphony called the Divine Light, which was inspired by this experience. 30:21.073 --> 30:23.394 [SPEAKER_00]: He also wrote a book by the way, spoiler alert. 30:23.674 --> 30:30.337 [SPEAKER_00]: Every single person that dies, that's a book that turns into a lifetime movie. 30:30.497 --> 30:31.117 [SPEAKER_01]: That's lifetime. 30:31.137 --> 30:34.959 [SPEAKER_00]: His book, a little, you can see why the guy should make art and maybe not right. 30:35.219 --> 30:37.180 [SPEAKER_00]: The title is so aggressive. 30:37.200 --> 30:37.640 [SPEAKER_00]: Are you ready? 30:38.395 --> 30:47.144 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, shine on the remarkable story of how I fell under a speeding train journey to the afterlife and the astonishing proof I brought back with me. 30:50.583 --> 30:51.503 [SPEAKER_00]: Wow, okay. 30:51.583 --> 30:53.965 [SPEAKER_01]: Well, they're like, the publisher's like, I don't think people know you. 30:54.125 --> 30:56.246 [SPEAKER_01]: So how do we communicate the title? 30:56.286 --> 30:58.987 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know if we just put it, what if we just put it all on the title? 30:59.027 --> 30:59.947 [SPEAKER_01]: The book is a lot of title. 30:59.967 --> 31:01.068 [SPEAKER_00]: What if we just put it all on the title? 31:03.629 --> 31:09.892 [SPEAKER_00]: In 2008, a neurosurgeon, which I thought was really interesting, died, even Alexander. 31:10.512 --> 31:11.093 [SPEAKER_00]: He went into a coma. 31:11.133 --> 31:12.573 [SPEAKER_00]: He went into a coma. 31:12.774 --> 31:15.655 [SPEAKER_00]: That's our, that's not good. 31:18.236 --> 31:22.300 [SPEAKER_01]: It's always good when these things affect a skeptic and it's always something I skeptic dies. 31:22.360 --> 31:39.894 [SPEAKER_01]: It's always when it's every time a skeptic dies and they can't fear that their ass gets its wings I think every time every time this these things happen to skeptics it makes it more believable and I think when we see a neurosurgeon we're like you're a science guy yeah like there's no way with lindic. 31:39.914 --> 31:46.560 [SPEAKER_00]: There's no way you're going to believe that there's like a blinding light and so when it happens to you you're like okay there's some veracity 31:47.452 --> 31:51.034 [SPEAKER_00]: But when I say the rest of the sentence, you're going to be like a sounds like a whack job. 31:51.175 --> 31:54.877 [SPEAKER_00]: Only because I think he wasn't a neurosurgeon. 31:54.937 --> 31:56.718 [SPEAKER_01]: Exactly, it was an neurosurgeon. 31:56.758 --> 32:01.462 [SPEAKER_00]: Exactly, he believed in energy healing crystals. 32:01.562 --> 32:06.165 [SPEAKER_00]: Well, what I was going to say is, then he goes on to describe the experience on his personal website. 32:06.345 --> 32:08.807 [SPEAKER_00]: And you're like, oh, at least write a book. 32:08.867 --> 32:09.827 [SPEAKER_00]: You're a neurosurgeon. 32:09.887 --> 32:11.629 [SPEAKER_00]: All these other jokes are written on the book. 32:11.689 --> 32:12.869 [SPEAKER_01]: I thought you said all of them wrote books. 32:12.889 --> 32:13.510 [SPEAKER_01]: You know, right a book? 32:13.750 --> 32:14.090 [SPEAKER_01]: He did. 32:14.170 --> 32:15.251 [SPEAKER_01]: His book is Proof Heaven. 32:17.645 --> 32:28.433 [SPEAKER_00]: He did, I think he did, but I was like when I read like he was transported to a place he calls the Gateway Valley and they're like read more about it on his website. 32:29.153 --> 32:31.135 [SPEAKER_00]: I will read you a little from his website. 32:31.355 --> 32:40.182 [SPEAKER_00]: I was rescued by a slowly spinning, clear white light associated with a musical melody that served as a portal up into rich and ultra-real realms. 32:40.622 --> 32:46.026 [SPEAKER_00]: The Gateway Valley was filled with many earth-like and spiritual features, vibrant and dynamic plant life. 32:46.466 --> 32:53.573 [SPEAKER_00]: with flowers and buds blossoming richly in no signs of death or decay, waterfalls into sparkling crystal pools. 32:54.174 --> 33:05.925 [SPEAKER_00]: Thousands of beings dancing below with great joy and festivity all fueled by swooping golden orbs in the sky above and jellic choirs emanating chance and anthems that 33:08.040 --> 33:12.803 [SPEAKER_00]: And a lovely girl on a butterfly wing, it's too much. 33:13.044 --> 33:13.644 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm so sorry. 33:13.984 --> 33:15.726 [SPEAKER_00]: I love hearing about unconditional love. 33:15.906 --> 33:18.147 [SPEAKER_00]: I love hearing about enlightenment. 33:18.628 --> 33:20.109 [SPEAKER_01]: It just feels like you saw one movie. 33:20.389 --> 33:23.111 [SPEAKER_01]: It seems like someone's journal cover. 33:23.311 --> 33:23.851 [SPEAKER_01]: Exactly. 33:23.891 --> 33:25.212 [SPEAKER_01]: It's just like, tell me about that. 33:25.232 --> 33:28.635 [SPEAKER_01]: There's like a flying uniform and a little girl on a butter fly wing. 33:29.175 --> 33:30.515 [SPEAKER_01]: This is too cornball. 33:30.695 --> 33:31.195 [SPEAKER_01]: I can't. 33:31.215 --> 33:31.916 [SPEAKER_00]: You can't much. 33:32.176 --> 33:32.936 [SPEAKER_00]: No, we can't take it. 33:32.956 --> 33:34.016 [SPEAKER_00]: Dark it up a little bit. 33:34.076 --> 33:35.416 [SPEAKER_00]: Make it go back to neurosurgery. 33:36.056 --> 33:36.796 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I'm not going to work. 33:36.836 --> 33:37.797 [SPEAKER_00]: Get in some brains there. 33:38.937 --> 33:53.059 [SPEAKER_00]: So I thought in my studies a fun fact you might want to hear is that the case of Velma Thomas reported by ABC News was the case of the longest instance of somebody being dead and coming back. 33:54.180 --> 33:55.800 [SPEAKER_00]: Any guesses. 33:58.885 --> 33:59.425 [SPEAKER_00]: 25 minutes. 34:00.226 --> 34:01.367 [SPEAKER_00]: It's going to blow your mind. 34:03.328 --> 34:05.249 [SPEAKER_01]: This person was dead for this many minutes. 34:06.009 --> 34:06.309 [SPEAKER_00]: Mm-hmm. 34:06.990 --> 34:08.391 [SPEAKER_01]: Three hours in 20 seconds. 34:08.491 --> 34:08.931 [SPEAKER_01]: 17 hours. 34:08.951 --> 34:09.872 [SPEAKER_00]: Was she frozen? 34:14.731 --> 34:15.352 [SPEAKER_00]: I don't know. 34:15.893 --> 34:23.703 [SPEAKER_00]: It says that her body was unconscious and reported dead and she had no identified brain activity for that amount of time, but then she had a spontaneous recovery. 34:36.880 --> 34:40.965 [SPEAKER_00]: Dr. ABC says, Dr. Cole's near-death experience, a miracle. 34:41.626 --> 34:45.791 [SPEAKER_00]: This is an article from G. G. Stone, Tracy Marks, and Stephanie Doll. 34:45.831 --> 34:47.573 [SPEAKER_00]: It took three people to write the articles. 34:47.613 --> 34:48.954 [SPEAKER_00]: So I'm already suspicious. 34:50.116 --> 34:54.101 [SPEAKER_00]: It was in 2008, her heart stopped beating three times. 34:54.661 --> 35:03.084 [SPEAKER_00]: She was in a West Virginia hospital and it was a heart attack and they say for 17 hours they couldn't measure any Brainwaves and they tried inducing. 35:03.104 --> 35:04.285 [SPEAKER_00]: Thank you for asking about freezing. 35:04.305 --> 35:09.847 [SPEAKER_00]: They did try inducing hypothermia to stimulate her brain, but like her family came. 35:09.907 --> 35:10.727 [SPEAKER_00]: They said goodbye. 35:11.607 --> 35:14.188 [SPEAKER_00]: They took her off life support. 35:15.149 --> 35:16.009 [SPEAKER_00]: Wow. 35:16.949 --> 35:18.590 [SPEAKER_00]: And then she came back. 35:21.663 --> 35:23.124 [SPEAKER_01]: Wow, 17 hours. 35:23.585 --> 35:25.546 [SPEAKER_01]: That is, she was 15, 19. 35:26.987 --> 35:27.328 [SPEAKER_00]: Wow. 35:28.609 --> 35:30.390 [SPEAKER_00]: And there had, and then no heartbeat. 35:31.111 --> 35:35.855 [SPEAKER_00]: And then the family said, go buy and left the hospital to go start arranging her funeral. 35:36.375 --> 35:40.138 [SPEAKER_00]: 10 minutes after she got taken off the respirator, they're taking like tubes out of her. 35:40.459 --> 35:41.199 [SPEAKER_00]: And she moves her arm. 35:41.239 --> 35:44.102 [SPEAKER_00]: And they thought it was like one of those dead people reflagged over this. 35:44.302 --> 35:44.522 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. 35:45.082 --> 35:45.543 [SPEAKER_00]: It wasn't. 35:45.683 --> 35:48.085 [SPEAKER_00]: And then they had to call the family and be like, she's actually fine. 35:48.990 --> 35:50.931 [SPEAKER_01]: Sike and the funeral homes like dang. 35:50.951 --> 35:51.932 [SPEAKER_01]: I just cut the deposit. 35:51.952 --> 35:53.212 [SPEAKER_01]: Not in front of all. 35:53.612 --> 35:54.853 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, not in front of all, huh? 35:55.473 --> 36:04.117 [SPEAKER_00]: ABC Okay, ABC Well, okay, and that's all I want to tell you today, but thank you for coming 36:05.690 --> 36:06.771 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm so happy we're here. 36:07.571 --> 36:08.352 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm so happy we're here. 36:08.492 --> 36:09.012 [SPEAKER_01]: We did it. 36:09.933 --> 36:13.616 [SPEAKER_01]: The question is, are you ready for my story, Quinn? 36:13.856 --> 36:14.877 [SPEAKER_00]: I don't think I'm ready for it. 36:14.917 --> 36:20.220 [SPEAKER_01]: It's generally, I only know is it's gonna be short because you did your studying last night. 36:20.981 --> 36:21.201 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. 36:21.801 --> 36:25.484 [SPEAKER_01]: Well, the studying was from a TV show and I do have to talk about this TV show. 36:26.425 --> 36:27.826 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, do I have to pause for sponsors? 36:29.327 --> 36:29.607 [SPEAKER_00]: Maybe. 36:31.296 --> 36:35.318 [SPEAKER_01]: I got this information from a new TV show on who they called Mean Girl murders. 36:36.218 --> 36:39.439 [SPEAKER_01]: Now, yeah, I watched this TV show. 36:40.700 --> 36:42.421 [SPEAKER_01]: And I got to be honest with you, I'm not. 36:42.521 --> 36:43.961 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm a little disappointed. 36:43.981 --> 36:45.242 [SPEAKER_01]: I'll probably watch more episodes. 36:45.282 --> 36:50.644 [SPEAKER_01]: I'll probably cover more of the stories, because who doesn't let a little video research homework. 36:51.204 --> 36:52.165 [SPEAKER_01]: But this, 36:53.285 --> 36:57.366 [SPEAKER_01]: So much of it was like, that's the thing about Mean Girls is they use gossip as their weapon. 36:57.586 --> 37:10.749 [SPEAKER_01]: And I was like, this feels a little like, even the intro video was like, they're like, quote, had there's, and you're like, okay, like this feels, I don't know, for some reason, it felt a little bit like, there's a little bit misogyny in there, you know? 37:10.769 --> 37:11.369 [SPEAKER_01]: Okay. 37:11.429 --> 37:12.929 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know, there was something about it. 37:13.189 --> 37:14.569 [SPEAKER_01]: And here's a story, let me know what you think. 37:15.330 --> 37:16.910 [SPEAKER_01]: This takes place in Fort Wayne, Indiana. 37:18.090 --> 37:19.231 [SPEAKER_01]: around 2002. 37:19.371 --> 37:25.972 [SPEAKER_01]: And I know people who were in Fort Wayne in 2002, so I feel like I wanted text him and be like, yo, did this tell me if you know anything about this? 37:26.452 --> 37:27.713 [SPEAKER_01]: I think it really happened. 37:27.813 --> 37:29.833 [SPEAKER_01]: In fact, I'm confirming it did really happen. 37:31.714 --> 37:34.614 [SPEAKER_01]: Anyway, so I want to introduce you to Stacey DeGronchamp. 37:35.135 --> 37:40.256 [SPEAKER_01]: Stacey DeGronchamp, everybody was talking about her in this documentary and they kept talking about how beautiful and popular she was. 37:41.335 --> 37:50.287 [SPEAKER_01]: who's a popular girl in school and they kept talking about clicks and they're like the high schools like any other high school there was like the stoners there was the preppy kids there were the all this stuff and 37:51.934 --> 37:55.177 [SPEAKER_01]: and Stacey landed in this group of popular kids. 37:55.357 --> 38:07.189 [SPEAKER_01]: Another thing that I think I was triggered by personally speaking in this documentary is they were like the video or the like, be-roll of students walking felt like 80s, right? 38:08.130 --> 38:11.273 [SPEAKER_01]: And then they were like, yeah, and she was wearing all name brands. 38:11.793 --> 38:17.217 [SPEAKER_01]: like Abercrombian Fitch, Aeropostal, American Eagle, and I was like, oh my god, are we at the age? 38:17.257 --> 38:22.401 [SPEAKER_01]: We're like now we are vintage, like instead of the 80s, like which is what we would watch in true crime. 38:22.481 --> 38:32.469 [SPEAKER_01]: It's like this is early 2000s and they're like the preppy kids are wearing American Eagle and Abercrombian Fitch, which just was like, oh my god, here we are, here we are, I am not a youth. 38:34.910 --> 38:39.874 [SPEAKER_01]: So Stacey was a single child to a single mom and 38:41.315 --> 38:44.398 [SPEAKER_01]: She was outgoing, she was goofy, she played volleyball. 38:45.479 --> 38:54.148 [SPEAKER_01]: They interview her cousin a lot because her cousin lived a block away, and so they were both only children, and so they kind of grew up together, and they were sort of like siblings in a lot of ways. 38:55.789 --> 39:04.157 [SPEAKER_01]: She was confident, she was beautiful, people, you know, I don't know if you guys know, but she did light up the room, you know, and so you know, something bad's gonna happen. 39:05.138 --> 39:10.403 [SPEAKER_01]: Some of her peers, as they say, were envious of her because she was so beautiful. 39:11.724 --> 39:16.208 [SPEAKER_01]: When she's 17 years old, she goes to a house party and she meets 20-year-old Brandon Muff. 39:17.880 --> 39:19.802 [SPEAKER_01]: That's his name, Brandon Muff. 39:20.964 --> 39:22.285 [SPEAKER_01]: Which, you know, let's move on. 39:22.786 --> 39:24.548 [SPEAKER_01]: Brandon, a little bit of a bad boy. 39:24.728 --> 39:28.373 [SPEAKER_01]: And again, they kept talking in predictable terms, which I just have to repeat because it was so funny. 39:28.393 --> 39:34.940 [SPEAKER_01]: Like, you know, when you're like a good girl, and like you're like, and you just sometimes want to like prove people wrong, and you are a treasure to the bad boy. 39:35.301 --> 39:36.522 [SPEAKER_01]: So that was happening. 39:38.483 --> 39:45.246 [SPEAKER_01]: So Stacey was spending more time with Brandon and in Brandon's group of friends, he kind of hung out with a party crew. 39:47.126 --> 39:51.908 [SPEAKER_01]: Some of his friends were Amanda Richards, Whitney McGee, Holly, Boys Vert. 39:52.468 --> 39:54.849 [SPEAKER_01]: They all hung out and they were known to party. 39:55.329 --> 40:03.092 [SPEAKER_01]: The girls, one of the girls was interviewed Whitney and she was like, we kind of like, we're at whatever house we could be at that parents let us do whatever we want. 40:03.732 --> 40:05.793 [SPEAKER_01]: or a house where the parents weren't home. 40:06.354 --> 40:11.697 [SPEAKER_01]: Holly, who was 16 years old at the time, she had a pool at her house and apparently her dad didn't care. 40:11.797 --> 40:16.139 [SPEAKER_01]: It's giving a little bit divorce dad vibes where dad had a pool. 40:16.619 --> 40:23.203 [SPEAKER_01]: They didn't mention her mom, but it was like, yeah, Holly could have like 30 plus people over at her house and her dad wouldn't give a shit. 40:24.524 --> 40:26.765 [SPEAKER_01]: Holly does seem a bit troubled. 40:26.966 --> 40:29.227 [SPEAKER_01]: It seems like she's a bully, kind of a mean girl. 40:30.308 --> 40:31.189 [SPEAKER_01]: She's partying. 40:31.889 --> 40:38.354 [SPEAKER_01]: It feels in these moments, I don't know, when I look at it, I always question like, what's going on with Holly? 40:38.414 --> 40:40.536 [SPEAKER_01]: Like, this can't be the whole story. 40:40.796 --> 40:55.390 [SPEAKER_01]: Do you ever feel that way when you watch these documentaries of like a young girl who's mean or like anytime I see a bully in fact When I look back at my own life and I look at sort of people who are mean to me growing up I think there's like a big part of me now is an adult that I'm like were they okay? 40:56.451 --> 41:04.699 [SPEAKER_01]: Or like because I just don't think people are some means happening at home that they're like yeah, yeah Or they're acting out lashing out or something are not okay 41:06.740 --> 41:28.670 [SPEAKER_01]: you know, yeah, I think I look back with a lot more compassion of the girls that maybe I was intimidated by, or perhaps mean to me, because I remember being in middle school and, you know, not being totally nice to my friends, and it came from such a profound sense of insecurity and my own stuff, like none of it. 41:30.095 --> 41:36.797 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, I wasn't, I don't think I was a bully, but I remember like, I still think about this time where I was mean to a friend, to I'm still friends. 41:36.817 --> 41:45.759 [SPEAKER_01]: Well, she's still one of my closest friends, and I have this memory of like talking behind her back in a bathroom, and she was in there. 41:46.099 --> 41:51.161 [SPEAKER_01]: And I like, it was, and I, again, she's one of my best friends. 41:51.201 --> 41:54.242 [SPEAKER_01]: I like know her kids and I see her every time I'm home. 41:54.382 --> 41:55.162 [SPEAKER_01]: You forgive you. 41:56.302 --> 42:21.554 [SPEAKER_01]: She did miraculous injury, but I still apologize because I look back at that and like how hurtful that was and it still weighs on me I was 12 at the time when this happened and I remember what I said and I won't repeat it because it makes me feel embarrassed But I like yeah, I made my friend feel small and that was like the worst thing But again, I know it came from anyway all that's to say is like when I hear about these young girls being bullies or mean 42:22.454 --> 42:27.100 [SPEAKER_01]: I do question what is going on at home and who's bullying them. 42:27.120 --> 42:34.469 [SPEAKER_01]: So this highly girl and what makes matters worse is that Stacey starts hanging out with Brandon Muff. 42:35.270 --> 42:38.374 [SPEAKER_01]: She's getting integrated into this group of friends who are part of years. 42:38.654 --> 42:38.775 [SPEAKER_01]: And 42:39.555 --> 42:47.744 [SPEAKER_01]: Holly and Stacey have some beef, and It's a tail as oldest time, but apparently Holly used to date Brandon. 42:48.545 --> 42:49.266 [SPEAKER_01]: They broke up. 42:49.786 --> 42:51.308 [SPEAKER_01]: Now Stacey's dating Brandon. 42:51.628 --> 42:56.634 [SPEAKER_01]: There's just You know people are having feelings and not processing them well enough. 42:58.236 --> 42:59.998 [SPEAKER_01]: They're also apparently was 43:00.838 --> 43:22.955 [SPEAKER_01]: Beep when they were in eighth grade where Stacy came over to Holly's house in eighth grade and was in the pool and Holly made fun of her for like how she's splashed around and Apparently in eighth grade Holly's going your splash you're all like a fucking princess is apparently what was said and again If that is coming out of the mouth of a 13 year old, I'm just like there's There's something happening here 43:23.597 --> 43:24.578 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I hear you. 43:24.598 --> 43:38.390 [SPEAKER_01]: So Brandon and Holly are just friends, but people believe that there was some jealousy from Holly to Stacey, because God forbid we blame the man who's acting a fool. 43:38.970 --> 43:41.573 [SPEAKER_01]: There was tension between Holly and Stacey. 43:42.073 --> 43:52.823 [SPEAKER_01]: Stacey is getting closer to a bunch of Holly's friends, and so it seems like Holly is intimidated by Stacey coming counter her turf, taking her friends, stealing her boyfriend. 43:53.924 --> 44:00.230 [SPEAKER_01]: People talked about how Stacey was like, not one to instigate a fight, but if someone attacked her, she would stand her ground. 44:00.650 --> 44:19.548 [SPEAKER_01]: She was to push over and it seems like these two were just Destined for tension and finding against one another So they're because it's high school Girls were talking behind people's backs and I guess Stacey was talking behind Whitney's back 44:20.269 --> 44:30.986 [SPEAKER_01]: Um, I don't know how important it is to know these names, but Whitney and Holly were also friends and so I think Holly is also enjoying when Stacey is fighting with the other girls. 44:31.246 --> 44:33.089 [SPEAKER_01]: She's able to stir the pot. 44:33.633 --> 44:36.454 [SPEAKER_01]: She's also happy to take these things bigger, it appears. 44:38.414 --> 44:40.415 [SPEAKER_01]: Holly does not want people to be friends with Stacey. 44:41.035 --> 44:43.436 [SPEAKER_01]: So Holly starts spreading rumors about Stacey. 44:44.256 --> 44:47.197 [SPEAKER_01]: Stacey and Brandon, this is creating a big wedge between them. 44:47.437 --> 44:50.418 [SPEAKER_01]: Also 17 and 20 years old, which I do have thoughts about it. 44:50.818 --> 44:59.301 [SPEAKER_01]: Brandon lives in a bad part of town, but they're about to head into their senior year and earlier that summer, Stacey and Brandon break up. 45:02.280 --> 45:09.165 [SPEAKER_01]: Stacey has met a new friend Abby Oswald through Brandon and the two of them get really close even though she breaks up with Brandon. 45:10.005 --> 45:19.892 [SPEAKER_01]: It's August 15th, 2002, Whitney calls Stacey and leaves an ominous voicemail where it's like, I heard you're spreading lies about me. 45:21.013 --> 45:21.794 [SPEAKER_01]: I wouldn't do that. 45:22.154 --> 45:23.495 [SPEAKER_01]: People are looking for you. 45:24.015 --> 45:25.556 [SPEAKER_01]: Just a weird voicemail. 45:28.079 --> 45:32.964 [SPEAKER_01]: Abby and Stacey are going to the mall because Stacey is picking up her senior picture of it. 45:33.284 --> 45:38.970 [SPEAKER_01]: And while at the mall, Abby tells Stacey that there's a party tonight at Brandon's house on Guthrie. 45:40.131 --> 45:41.492 [SPEAKER_01]: Stacey's like, I don't want to go. 45:41.512 --> 45:46.397 [SPEAKER_01]: I broke up with this guy, you know, and Abby's like, please, please, please, please, and she won't take no for an answer. 45:46.577 --> 45:48.960 [SPEAKER_01]: Stacey gives in and she goes to the party. 45:49.780 --> 45:51.842 [SPEAKER_01]: Um, again, it's not a great area. 45:52.462 --> 45:55.145 [SPEAKER_01]: A Stacy is afraid that Whitney and Holly are going to be there. 45:55.305 --> 45:59.128 [SPEAKER_01]: She just got this weird voice mail from Whitney and she knows things are bad with Holly. 45:59.868 --> 46:05.953 [SPEAKER_01]: And so, at 9.30 at night, Stacy and Abby show up. 46:06.253 --> 46:11.377 [SPEAKER_01]: When they arrive, Holly is sitting on the front porch with Brandon on the steps. 46:11.678 --> 46:15.481 [SPEAKER_01]: Stacy and Abby roll up and immediately she sees Holly and Brandon together. 46:16.402 --> 46:22.770 [SPEAKER_01]: And immediately, tensions flare and the two of them get into a big shouting match. 46:23.791 --> 46:26.555 [SPEAKER_01]: This then develops into a physical fight. 46:28.603 --> 46:47.125 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know who attacked who first, but there's hair pulling, they're kicking each other, is on top of Holly and she's beating her up and it seems like Stacey loses steam, like she gets a little bit like she falls hers and Brandon takes that and pulls Stacey away. 46:48.672 --> 46:52.893 [SPEAKER_01]: Apparently, he pulls her by the leg, and she lands in the recycling bins. 46:53.414 --> 46:57.795 [SPEAKER_01]: He pulls her, and I guess he doesn't really realize his own strength, but he pulls her body off of Holly. 46:58.315 --> 47:00.156 [SPEAKER_01]: She lands in the recycling bins. 47:00.776 --> 47:05.178 [SPEAKER_01]: She gets up, she stumbles, she's heading towards the end of the driveway. 47:05.618 --> 47:07.579 [SPEAKER_01]: She stumbles, she falls. 47:08.439 --> 47:10.580 [SPEAKER_01]: Brandon goes and runs and checks on Stacey. 47:11.680 --> 47:13.040 [SPEAKER_01]: He sees there's blood on her shirt. 47:13.541 --> 47:16.862 [SPEAKER_01]: He lifts up her shirt, and he sees her bra is covered in blood. 47:17.662 --> 47:23.248 [SPEAKER_01]: He calls 911, the ambulance arrives, and interestingly enough, they actually were there. 47:23.388 --> 47:32.357 [SPEAKER_01]: The police were there an hour and a half earlier for a noise complaint, but this develops and Stacey has picked up, she has brought to the hospital. 47:33.559 --> 47:39.144 [SPEAKER_01]: They see she has two stab wounds, one stab, one chest, and one in her abdomen. 47:40.706 --> 47:41.886 [SPEAKER_01]: She goes to the hospital. 47:42.006 --> 47:43.147 [SPEAKER_01]: She goes to surgery. 47:43.828 --> 47:48.330 [SPEAKER_01]: Brandon calls Stacey's mom and he's like Stacey is hurt. 47:48.551 --> 47:49.551 [SPEAKER_01]: She's at the hospital. 47:50.131 --> 47:52.473 [SPEAKER_01]: Her mom Rita walks into the hospital. 47:53.113 --> 47:56.055 [SPEAKER_01]: The hospital is sees her and she says, are you Stacey's mom? 47:56.295 --> 47:57.056 [SPEAKER_01]: She says yes. 47:57.736 --> 47:59.457 [SPEAKER_01]: Hospital is says, I'm so sorry. 48:00.038 --> 48:01.118 [SPEAKER_01]: Stacey is passed away. 48:06.390 --> 48:10.953 [SPEAKER_01]: Nobody knows what happened, how she was stabbed, what happened. 48:10.973 --> 48:14.034 [SPEAKER_01]: And immediately the police opened a homicide investigation. 48:14.995 --> 48:17.536 [SPEAKER_01]: Holly is like, I was defending myself. 48:17.836 --> 48:19.057 [SPEAKER_01]: I didn't do anything. 48:19.157 --> 48:19.917 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know what happened. 48:19.977 --> 48:20.818 [SPEAKER_01]: I didn't have a knife. 48:22.203 --> 48:29.608 [SPEAKER_01]: Brandon tells the story of how he pulled her to the recycling bin and he's like maybe there was glass in there that could have stabbed her. 48:30.489 --> 48:32.370 [SPEAKER_01]: But I didn't see a knife, I didn't see what happened. 48:34.151 --> 48:37.534 [SPEAKER_01]: It's very clear that these wounds were made by knives. 48:38.695 --> 48:44.338 [SPEAKER_01]: And when they took a picture of the recycling bins, there was just, there was no glass there. 48:45.019 --> 48:48.361 [SPEAKER_01]: It was like some metal cans and plastic and paper. 48:48.421 --> 48:49.082 [SPEAKER_01]: There was no, 48:49.782 --> 48:50.483 [SPEAKER_01]: There's no knives. 48:50.543 --> 48:52.284 [SPEAKER_01]: There's no way she could have gotten stabbed that way. 48:54.045 --> 49:00.008 [SPEAKER_01]: Holly's funeral is on August 19th, and she's the outfit that she bought that day for her senior photos. 49:00.868 --> 49:04.971 [SPEAKER_01]: The police bring Holly and Brandon in for questioning, but the two of them are released. 49:05.051 --> 49:05.791 [SPEAKER_01]: They can't hold them. 49:05.811 --> 49:06.772 [SPEAKER_01]: There's no murder weapon. 49:08.670 --> 49:10.952 [SPEAKER_01]: Holly does not show up to the funeral, but Brandon does. 49:11.032 --> 49:12.794 [SPEAKER_01]: And the family is fucking pissed. 49:12.874 --> 49:14.436 [SPEAKER_01]: They're like, why are you showing up here? 49:15.277 --> 49:15.997 [SPEAKER_01]: How dare you? 49:16.698 --> 49:19.781 [SPEAKER_01]: You had a lot to do with her death. 49:20.582 --> 49:23.205 [SPEAKER_01]: So the question is, was Stacy lured to the party? 49:23.325 --> 49:30.072 [SPEAKER_01]: As you know, Abby and Brandon were friends, and so did Brandon want Stacy to come to this party for there to be a fight to break out. 49:31.773 --> 49:38.735 [SPEAKER_01]: Stacey's mom's question of cream meditation, yes, but it gets crazier because no one is arrested. 49:39.315 --> 49:45.256 [SPEAKER_01]: Stacey's in Stacey's mom passes the voicemail from Whitney that was made earlier that day that was like people are looking for you. 49:45.776 --> 49:47.597 [SPEAKER_01]: And the police are like, was that a warning? 49:48.057 --> 49:51.277 [SPEAKER_01]: Was Whitney trying to warn Stacey to stay away? 49:51.297 --> 49:53.338 [SPEAKER_01]: Because Holly was dangerous or Brandon, we don't know. 49:57.685 --> 50:08.779 [SPEAKER_01]: we do know that in on that day Brandon called Holly and said if she didn't come to the party at his house that he wouldn't speak to her again, we know Brandon convinced Abby to make Stacey come to the party. 50:08.899 --> 50:15.548 [SPEAKER_01]: So it was like was Brandon trying to facilitate this and did it get out of hand was Brandon looking to stir the pot. 50:17.132 --> 50:21.095 [SPEAKER_01]: The police interview Abbey, and she's claiming she knows nothing about this. 50:21.336 --> 50:23.618 [SPEAKER_01]: She claims she did try to break up the fight. 50:24.438 --> 50:26.320 [SPEAKER_01]: Brandon's roommate Justin is brought in. 50:26.680 --> 50:34.066 [SPEAKER_01]: Justin says in his testimony that he tried to break up the fight but Brandon pushed him aside and said no, let them fight. 50:34.927 --> 50:40.472 [SPEAKER_01]: Brandon also told him to tell the police that Holly didn't do anything. 50:42.130 --> 50:48.792 [SPEAKER_01]: a couple months later, December 12th, 2002, the police spring Brandon in and he refuses to give any more information. 50:49.013 --> 50:52.194 [SPEAKER_01]: He says he's no snitch and he didn't see Holly with a knife. 50:54.154 --> 50:59.436 [SPEAKER_01]: With no witnesses and no murder weapon, no arrests were made. 51:01.777 --> 51:06.799 [SPEAKER_01]: We have this is what to me was the most shocking is like we have her in a fight. 51:07.939 --> 51:09.380 [SPEAKER_01]: We have who she was in a fight with. 51:11.016 --> 51:12.636 [SPEAKER_01]: Nobody is arrested for her murder. 51:14.677 --> 51:22.819 [SPEAKER_01]: The case goes stagnant for 17 years, which is absolutely wild to be. 51:23.459 --> 51:26.979 [SPEAKER_01]: Her cousin, obviously, was like a sister to her, doesn't stop. 51:27.119 --> 51:27.800 [SPEAKER_01]: She doesn't rest. 51:28.160 --> 51:29.820 [SPEAKER_01]: She keeps pursuing this. 51:29.860 --> 51:31.120 [SPEAKER_01]: She's begging for justice. 51:31.720 --> 51:33.441 [SPEAKER_01]: So she calls a cold case detective. 51:34.710 --> 51:36.871 [SPEAKER_01]: And she's like, listen, this is what happened. 51:36.991 --> 51:41.272 [SPEAKER_01]: If you talk to Amanda Whitney Brandon Abbey and Holly, one of them is going to know something. 51:41.472 --> 51:44.093 [SPEAKER_01]: I know it's been 17 years, but I'm just need to talk to them. 51:44.773 --> 51:47.114 [SPEAKER_01]: So they talk to Abbey, Abbey first. 51:47.134 --> 51:48.815 [SPEAKER_01]: She's like, I never saw a weapon. 51:48.895 --> 51:50.415 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know what happened. 51:50.655 --> 51:52.276 [SPEAKER_01]: Brandon is interviewed. 51:52.316 --> 51:54.116 [SPEAKER_01]: He says he wishes he saw more. 51:54.696 --> 51:58.498 [SPEAKER_01]: He seemed remorseful, but he also says that he did not see Holly with a knife. 51:59.678 --> 52:04.900 [SPEAKER_01]: Holly, I was interviewed, they came to her house and they say that when did they saw her face one pale? 52:06.200 --> 52:27.047 [SPEAKER_01]: And what was weird about her interview is she kept referring to Stacey as her friend and she was kept saying I would never intentionally hurt her And then she admits that she at the time carried a pocket knife for safety and The police are like, do you still have this pocket knife and she's like, um Yeah, and they go can you go get it? 52:27.087 --> 52:27.327 [SPEAKER_01]: She goes 52:27.787 --> 52:28.087 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. 52:28.668 --> 52:31.550 [SPEAKER_01]: So she goes and she hands over the pocket knife to the police. 52:32.971 --> 52:35.212 [SPEAKER_01]: They take this knife and they test it for DNA. 52:35.252 --> 52:37.294 [SPEAKER_01]: There's no DNA that belongs to Stacey. 52:37.654 --> 52:39.876 [SPEAKER_01]: On this pocket knife, but again, it's been 17 years. 52:42.564 --> 52:49.329 [SPEAKER_01]: They do show the knife to a pathologist and they're able to confirm that this knife is consistent with the stab wounds. 52:49.529 --> 52:52.792 [SPEAKER_01]: You know, they're able to look at the stab wounds and see this knife and see that there. 52:53.372 --> 52:55.193 [SPEAKER_01]: There's a high probability that it could be that. 52:55.233 --> 52:57.415 [SPEAKER_01]: But again, I don't know if that's the most damning evidence. 52:57.475 --> 52:58.516 [SPEAKER_01]: It's not a unique knife. 53:00.557 --> 53:05.881 [SPEAKER_01]: So this allowed them to get enough evidence to get an arrest for Holly. 53:05.921 --> 53:06.762 [SPEAKER_01]: Holly is arrested. 53:08.200 --> 53:13.341 [SPEAKER_01]: While this is happening, Amanda Richards, one of the friends, comes forward, and she talks to the police. 53:14.041 --> 53:20.242 [SPEAKER_01]: And she says that the night her and Whitney dropped Holly off at Brandon's party, and then left. 53:20.262 --> 53:22.563 [SPEAKER_01]: Because they're like, we don't want to go to this party, but we'll drop you off. 53:23.023 --> 53:24.403 [SPEAKER_01]: You text us, we'll come and pick you up. 53:26.303 --> 53:33.345 [SPEAKER_01]: Amanda recalls that when they picked Holly up, Holly had given Amanda her pocketknife. 53:37.265 --> 53:39.347 [SPEAKER_01]: Amanda was holding the pocket knife in her purse. 53:40.088 --> 53:41.569 [SPEAKER_01]: They pull up to Brandon's party. 53:42.250 --> 53:44.292 [SPEAKER_01]: Holly then says, hey, give me my knife. 53:46.111 --> 53:50.976 [SPEAKER_01]: She grabs the knife, holly leaves the car and is walking towards Brandon towards the porch. 53:52.017 --> 53:57.663 [SPEAKER_01]: When Amanda and Whitney leave the party and drive away, they see Abby and Stacey pull up. 53:58.223 --> 54:07.332 [SPEAKER_01]: This is pretty damning evidence because that means that the pocket knife was in holly's possession when this altercation started because initially, 54:08.113 --> 54:10.417 [SPEAKER_01]: Holly was like, I don't carry this knife around. 54:10.457 --> 54:14.204 [SPEAKER_01]: Let's just in my purse and I didn't have my purse when I started fighting with this person. 54:14.504 --> 54:17.269 [SPEAKER_01]: So now we know that the knife is in Holly's possession. 54:19.133 --> 54:21.437 [SPEAKER_01]: They have enough evidence that they're able obviously 54:22.797 --> 54:30.324 [SPEAKER_01]: They have enough evidence where they spook Holly enough where Holly concedes and is offered a plea deal and she takes it. 54:30.984 --> 54:35.628 [SPEAKER_01]: So in the court of law, Holly admits to stabbing Stacey. 54:36.349 --> 54:42.434 [SPEAKER_01]: She doesn't implicate Abby or Brandon so we don't know if there was a conspiracy or this was something that Brandon wanted to do. 54:43.475 --> 54:46.718 [SPEAKER_01]: She was sentenced on January 14th, 2022, 10 years after the murder. 54:49.820 --> 54:52.481 [SPEAKER_01]: She was given 25 years with five years suspended. 54:53.482 --> 54:55.942 [SPEAKER_01]: She could be out as early as 2030. 54:57.983 --> 55:00.484 [SPEAKER_01]: And that's the story of Stacey DeGronchomp. 55:01.304 --> 55:04.205 [SPEAKER_00]: I was like, it leaves, yeah, I was hoping. 55:04.245 --> 55:05.766 [SPEAKER_01]: It leaves a lot to be desired. 55:06.386 --> 55:07.507 [SPEAKER_00]: I was hoping for more, too. 55:07.787 --> 55:10.968 [SPEAKER_01]: But I think to me the most shocking thing was like, 55:13.723 --> 55:30.168 [SPEAKER_01]: Holly was free this girl killed this girl and I will say when they interview Holly you're like this is not you know I don't think she's living a great life but they interview Holly and this woman has been sitting on the fact that she murdered this girl for 17 years. 55:32.833 --> 55:36.576 [SPEAKER_00]: Like just living on the road time, I wonder if she was even totally... 55:36.716 --> 55:37.617 [SPEAKER_00]: Totally, if she had. 55:37.697 --> 55:38.538 [SPEAKER_01]: You can't be okay. 55:38.678 --> 55:41.100 [SPEAKER_01]: I just don't think it can be okay at all. 55:41.180 --> 55:42.902 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't think Holly was okay before this. 55:43.082 --> 55:44.823 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't think Holly was okay after this. 55:45.444 --> 55:50.368 [SPEAKER_01]: We see that Holly and Stacey were in a fight and it took... 55:50.408 --> 55:59.636 [SPEAKER_01]: It just doesn't make sense where it's like we know the players and it just took time and waiting it out and getting them at the right time to confess for any justice to be had. 56:02.283 --> 56:10.959 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, that's it, she wrote, that's all she wrote, literally, literally, that's all I wrote. 56:13.285 --> 56:16.246 [SPEAKER_01]: Hey, I'm really excited for next week, and here's why I'm excited for next week. 56:16.286 --> 56:16.526 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, me. 56:17.286 --> 56:21.527 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm excited because you're going to tell me how you crushed this wedding. 56:22.247 --> 56:23.447 [SPEAKER_01]: You're going to crush the wedding. 56:23.587 --> 56:25.048 [SPEAKER_01]: Your kids are going to have so much fun. 56:25.408 --> 56:27.268 [SPEAKER_01]: Griffin's going to look like I'm out a little mafia. 56:27.288 --> 56:30.409 [SPEAKER_01]: So Colis, she's going to look so cute in her dress. 56:31.149 --> 56:36.170 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm really excited for your speech and send me pictures and have so much fun. 56:36.190 --> 56:38.150 [SPEAKER_00]: So America. 56:39.090 --> 56:39.991 [SPEAKER_00]: God bless America. 56:40.251 --> 56:41.371 [SPEAKER_00]: Please don't quote me on that. 56:43.647 --> 56:44.627 [SPEAKER_00]: Actually, I take it back. 56:44.887 --> 56:45.347 [SPEAKER_00]: I take it back. 56:46.608 --> 56:47.968 [SPEAKER_00]: All right, have a beautiful day. 56:47.988 --> 56:50.328 [SPEAKER_00]: I hope I get to see you again one day in person. 56:52.009 --> 56:53.629 [SPEAKER_00]: It's been a minute, hasn't it, huh? 56:54.089 --> 56:54.309 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. 56:56.630 --> 56:59.951 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm not even doing the fish here next week, because I was going to even believe in the next week. 56:59.971 --> 57:02.031 [SPEAKER_01]: Honestly, no, with the future holds. 57:03.431 --> 57:05.072 [SPEAKER_01]: Do you think we'll ever be in the same room again? 57:06.352 --> 57:07.252 [SPEAKER_00]: Only by accident. 57:08.893 --> 57:09.393 [SPEAKER_00]: Later, I can. 57:09.413 --> 57:10.353 [SPEAKER_01]: Dear readers, we love you. 57:10.513 --> 57:10.853 [SPEAKER_01]: Goodbye. 57:17.154 --> 57:18.358 [SPEAKER_00]: I do even!