[SPEAKER_00]: Is it one-sixty that we're recording?
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_01]: We're just crazy.
[SPEAKER_01]: Every time I see that it's like creeping closer to 200, I'm like, that's crazy.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's me.
[SPEAKER_00]: What do we do for the big 200?
[SPEAKER_01]: I know.
[SPEAKER_01]: Something awesome.
[SPEAKER_00]: Talk about Oskenny, we are because we're at 200.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's the skinny episode.
[SPEAKER_00]: Oskenny?
[SPEAKER_01]: No.
[SPEAKER_00]: Actually, wait, it's one-sixty today.
[SPEAKER_01]: What's up you guys and welcome back to emotionally online the weekly song party for heart to hearts and hot gossip posted by your truly the one and only Maddie Draws back back back again in this corner with the bright stop hat on coming in at over 200 pounds
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[SPEAKER_00]: Just body swimming people incredible.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's awesome.
[SPEAKER_00]: Let's do it in mag fuck, man We've had a week.
[SPEAKER_00]: This week has been hard.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, no.
[SPEAKER_01]: This is gonna be a silly episode Yeah, we're here to giggle today.
[SPEAKER_00]: Let's giggle and laugh.
[SPEAKER_00]: Come on guys.
[SPEAKER_00]: Let's have a good time Let's have let's get back to the real lover girls bullshit, right?
[SPEAKER_00]: This was
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, we ended up in a corner of the internet that neither of us have ever wanted to be a part of.
[SPEAKER_01]: No.
[SPEAKER_00]: Um, went there against our will completely.
[SPEAKER_01]: Some insults bought us tickets on the, I hate the internet express.
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, first class tickets.
[SPEAKER_00]: And here's the thing.
[SPEAKER_00]: We made the grave error of being three things.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, we did one being women tough two being fat really tough three Telling joke you cannot be fat women who also joke one or nothing you cannot be those things do not be fat women who tell you I can't be all three no no people hated it
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[SPEAKER_00]: We're one to six, we're finally one to six.
[SPEAKER_00]: Everyone's been clamoring for us to be one to six to you.
[SPEAKER_00]: We finally are.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yay!
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh my god.
[SPEAKER_00]: No, I literally, it literally was like that meme where it's like the soldier taking bullets and there's like a child in front of him who's totally safe.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's how I felt like taking the bullets and I'm like protecting all the lover girls who actually care.
[SPEAKER_00]: Karen enjoyed the podcast everyone get by so we needed to relax a little bit yeah we need to just get a little silly a little goofy and then after this we're serious podcast only yeah we don't tell jokes anymore we tell no joke trust that anything you hear on this podcast
[SPEAKER_01]: 100% serious.
[SPEAKER_01]: It is a scientifically backed fact check fact check by independent and non-independent fact checkers.
[SPEAKER_00]: We're bringing in freelance.
[SPEAKER_01]: We're contractual.
[SPEAKER_00]: They're coming in.
[SPEAKER_01]: They're saying, yeah, this all checks out.
[SPEAKER_01]: This is the news.
[SPEAKER_01]: And you should treat it as such.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: And you should treat us as such.
[SPEAKER_01]: As fat women don't tell jokes.
[SPEAKER_01]: And we never have famous and we never will.
[SPEAKER_01]: No Don't Google the word hyperbole.
[SPEAKER_01]: We're not hyperbolic.
[SPEAKER_01]: Don't even learn the definition of that word You don't need it.
[SPEAKER_00]: You don't need it for this show not not needed not needed not needed We don't need it.
[SPEAKER_00]: We were we're listen we're straight shooters.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, come on.
[SPEAKER_01]: What do you like yet?
[SPEAKER_00]: We here to deliver the truth.
[SPEAKER_00]: We're just telling, listen, it's a whole truth.
[SPEAKER_00]: Nothing but the truth from us.
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, and it's it's Morose.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's trust it's Morose.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's serious.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's it's you know, it's intense.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it's never goofy.
[SPEAKER_00]: No, never Okay, let's keep going
[SPEAKER_01]: So in the midst of us needing to decompress from the internet, we did make our way to Bathhouse.
[SPEAKER_00]: We did.
[SPEAKER_00]: My first time.
[SPEAKER_00]: My first time going beautiful little place.
[SPEAKER_00]: Love it!
[SPEAKER_00]: They've got a rooftop pool.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's pretty awesome.
[SPEAKER_00]: I will say it did feel a little bit like, um, kind of walking into like a Silicon Valley episode.
[SPEAKER_00]: Everything is so like it's so kind of like neo like spa, but for young people whatever and I was like okay, it's a really like a social spa totally a so It's not like listening to relaxing music and everyone's quiet kind of vibes That said there are still some rules and decorum elements here that I think we should discuss Absolutely even if you're at a social spa you're still at a spa where people are going to relax.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes
[SPEAKER_01]: There's ways that are acceptable to act, and ways that are unacceptable to act.
[SPEAKER_01]: We were in the rooftop pool for the entire time we were at Bath House.
[SPEAKER_01]: Just enjoying the outdoors.
[SPEAKER_01]: It was awesome.
[SPEAKER_01]: It was incredible.
[SPEAKER_01]: It was beautiful.
[SPEAKER_01]: Skyline, right in front of you.
[SPEAKER_00]: It was a breezy out.
[SPEAKER_01]: It was like a little overcast.
[SPEAKER_01]: It was a really nice night.
[SPEAKER_01]: Now, there was a couple.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's always a couple at the center point of these things.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm noticing because this would be crazy if single people were doing this single people would never do this Imagine if we were doing it like I was a group me and you doing exactly what these people Jordan and August be like doing it over
[SPEAKER_01]: Happening like I just think that couples get away with way too much.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, see more like okay Well, there are a couple it makes us they're doing that know it doesn't doesn't we've lost the plot If we were doing this you guys would be like so perturbed by it like I just can't deal with it Okay, so picture this you're in a spa pool.
[SPEAKER_01]: Mm-hmm There's a couple present.
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, not a threat in an immediate sense, but looming
[SPEAKER_01]: They start, what appears to be like teaching each other how to swim.
[SPEAKER_01]: They start teaching each other how to swim.
[SPEAKER_00]: But it doesn't really look like that.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like it's kind of using the way they're doing it.
[SPEAKER_00]: They're kind of what it seems like is that they're teaching each other how to swim.
[SPEAKER_00]: But neither of them know how to swim.
[SPEAKER_00]: So one is teaching the other.
[SPEAKER_00]: But the one who's teaching doesn't really know what's going on, and then they'll swap, but then the other one also doesn't really know what's going on.
[SPEAKER_01]: Rule number one, I don't feel that you are allowed to kick or splash in a spa pool.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I don't think that that's a lot.
[SPEAKER_01]: Point blank do that in the YMCA pool don't when you're in a lap pool in a spa you should not be head down kicking fucking anything yeah I want to paint like a really clear picture for you guys like it was us.
[SPEAKER_00]: In the pool there were like other groups and other couples and stuff and then this couple it was quite literally like what you would see at like a public pool during the summer where One of them was like kind of holding the other one of float while they were
[SPEAKER_00]: horizontal like head down and like kicking and swimming.
[SPEAKER_00]: And she was like guiding him along while he was kicking and swimming.
[SPEAKER_01]: They were also in a really weird position where it's like imagine the person that's swimming is like face down.
[SPEAKER_01]: And so arms are in front of them legs are behind
[SPEAKER_01]: But their partner is like in between their legs.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, they're like crotch to crotch, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: While all of this has happened.
[SPEAKER_00]: So it also feels like weirdly sexual as well.
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, maybe you're teaching them to swim.
[SPEAKER_00]: But I don't know why your swim teacher is crotch to crotch with you.
[SPEAKER_00]: I would say this as someone who took swim lessons when I was younger.
[SPEAKER_00]: My swim teacher was never crotch to crotch with me.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's the trash we were never sad is crazy.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, but then it's like not only were they doing a bad job of teaching But they were also doing a bad job of guiding because they were multiple near accidents where they're swimming straight towards us Yes, not a big pool by the way.
[SPEAKER_01]: No, so it's like they're also like kicking straight towards us where they go.
[SPEAKER_01]: No
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, we're like watching because we're like, what's happening here?
[SPEAKER_00]: Are we, can we say something like this is kind of crazy?
[SPEAKER_00]: And also, when they were kicking, they were kicking like hard.
[SPEAKER_00]: It was like, yeah, thung, thung, thung, thung of like when feet go forward in the water, like splashing.
[SPEAKER_01]: Also like not to be a diva about it.
[SPEAKER_01]: But I don't get my hair wet because it's purple.
[SPEAKER_01]: Right.
[SPEAKER_01]: And it costs a lot of money to make it look like this.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: And if I get my hair wet with chlorinated water, I guess what, it's all gonna come out.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: So I get really annoyed when I get splashed because I'm like actively trying not to get my hair wet.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: So forgive me for thinking the spa pool was a safe place from a fucking grown ass 30 something you're old couple doing swim lessons.
[SPEAKER_00]: It was so, I'm also like, if you have enough money to like go to bath house and like do that,
[SPEAKER_00]: Even if it's a day pass, certainly you have enough money to pay for swim lessons.
[SPEAKER_00]: Go to a black pool.
[SPEAKER_00]: Go to a lap pool.
[SPEAKER_01]: This is not that kind of pool.
[SPEAKER_00]: Why are we?
[SPEAKER_00]: Why are you here?
[SPEAKER_00]: There's a bar at this pool.
[SPEAKER_00]: And then people are drinking mimosas and margarita.
[SPEAKER_00]: Right.
[SPEAKER_00]: And then what was so crazy too, was that they left at some point, or like they got tired.
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know, from kicking around.
[SPEAKER_00]: And then another couple came in.
[SPEAKER_00]: And then that couple was doing another thing too where the guy was like cradling his girlfriend Seemingly in his arms and like floating her around like she was a little bathy little weird.
[SPEAKER_01]: He's a thing I'm fine with a lot of PDA.
[SPEAKER_01]: Twilight threshold for PDA is probably pretty high in comparison to most people
[SPEAKER_00]: These people we're going well over the line of what's acceptable.
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't even know if I would count it as pd Hey, it's like it's it's weird shit.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I felt like I was watching something that I really shouldn't be Yeah, just go make out in the corner of the pool like a normal person right like what is this?
[SPEAKER_00]: What is this like strange for play, but also it's not you're also seemingly like getting someone acclimated to the water
[SPEAKER_01]: And then we're doing older breath.
[SPEAKER_01]: God, yes!
[SPEAKER_01]: That was stressing me out.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_00]: I was like, they're like, okay, one, two, three.
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[SPEAKER_01]: at a spa yeah it it was the layering of the crime yes they needed to pick one crime they needed to pick one crime did like a bunch of really weird things back to back like they weren't just like everyone else in this pool is sitting like with a margarita in hand yes chatting yep and they're like okay triple backflip the whole turn out
[SPEAKER_01]: And they're going crotch to crotch while they're swimming.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, you guys are doing really weird things.
[SPEAKER_00]: Really strange behavior.
[SPEAKER_00]: It could walk me one and also it's like a Friday night at like 9 p.m. What are we doing?
[SPEAKER_00]: Like what's going on?
[SPEAKER_01]: Everyone here is just trying to decompress from the workday.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_01]: And we've got fucking tweeted the entweetle dump.
[SPEAKER_01]: Half fucking during swim lessons in the pool.
[SPEAKER_00]: It was a sight to behold, dude.
[SPEAKER_00]: I've never seen adults act like that.
[SPEAKER_00]: I've never seen anything like it.
[SPEAKER_00]: I genuinely have never seen anything like it.
[SPEAKER_00]: It made me wonder if they thought they were in a different place.
[SPEAKER_00]: Right.
[SPEAKER_00]: Then they were.
[SPEAKER_01]: Dude, I'm so down to play in the pool.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: This is not that pool.
[SPEAKER_01]: This is not the time and play.
[SPEAKER_01]: That is not the one.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's not that's not the pool you're playing in.
[SPEAKER_00]: Is the bathhouse spa pool?
[SPEAKER_01]: For sure, no.
[SPEAKER_00]: There was also a man in the pool while all this is happening that looked fucking exactly like Ethan Slayer She didn't and you have to stop saying that he looked he's just like I literally didn't stand over and I was like I thought that you would have seen like an ex or something and I was like I was like Maddie was like oh my god, and she starts like freaking out and I'm like what what like what is something wrong?
[SPEAKER_00]: What's going on?
[SPEAKER_00]: She's like that's Ethan Slayer I'm like look at that guy and I was like no, it's not
[SPEAKER_01]: It really looks like it wasn't him POV and imagine you're witnessing a couple crotch to crotch and Ethan Slater's also there like that was the experience I was having that's why I was freaking out about it I'm like this is crazy.
[SPEAKER_01]: This is crazy.
[SPEAKER_01]: This is like the time I ran into the bonus Jonas at the pool
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, you see a lot a lot of celebs at the pool at the pool.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, that's where you need to go Okay, that guy that was trying to select spot just by seeing a limo Where he needed to go.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, was at the pool.
[SPEAKER_01]: He had to go to the pool Only he knew get to the pool brother
[SPEAKER_00]: But now our relaxation is over.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, our relaxation is done.
[SPEAKER_01]: And now we have to go back to the reality.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_01]: And the reality of the situation is that we need to have a lover girl locked down.
[SPEAKER_01]: This is a lockdown everyone sit down.
[SPEAKER_01]: Everybody inside now the walls of the bunker are closing in The the metal everything's in Everyone get back to your rooms Wait wait silently in your room for an announcement from Maddie and Mac Love her girls attention love her girls
[SPEAKER_01]: Everyone remained calm and wait for the following announcement.
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, we need to lock this shit down for a second.
[SPEAKER_00]: We need to lock in what we need to do also a, um, a little review totally numbers are up.
[SPEAKER_01]: No, guys.
[SPEAKER_01]: Numbers are numbers are up.
[SPEAKER_00]: Love a girl's worldwide is having an expansion.
[SPEAKER_00]: Expanding and we are thrilled about that.
[SPEAKER_01]: Awesome, happy to have you here.
[SPEAKER_00]: We are so thrilled that you're here.
[SPEAKER_00]: We couldn't be more ecstatic that you're here hanging out with us.
[SPEAKER_01]: And we need to get on the same page about something.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, because sometimes we have infiltrators.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_01]: We have strange little weasels.
[SPEAKER_01]: that get their way in the walls and start scratching away.
[SPEAKER_01]: And how do we handle them?
[SPEAKER_00]: Those narrow duels.
[SPEAKER_01]: We need to come to a group consensus about what to do about the insells in the walls.
[SPEAKER_00]: We have to, because with the expansion of lover girls worldwide.
[SPEAKER_00]: That means that there are more eyes on us totally and sometimes people really mad about that Oh, sometimes they're very mad Some people later eyes on us and they get mad.
[SPEAKER_00]: They're the why why now why am I seeing it?
[SPEAKER_00]: Why them?
[SPEAKER_00]: Why them and not me Why give fat woman Mike?
[SPEAKER_01]: Why not me?
[SPEAKER_01]: It's like, brother, be not by one.
[SPEAKER_01]: You can go go one, go get a mic, be in hphoto.com.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, check that out.
[SPEAKER_01]: This is a send-hizer MD46, okay?
[SPEAKER_00]: There we go.
[SPEAKER_00]: There you go.
[SPEAKER_00]: So that's kind of the equipment we use.
[SPEAKER_00]: you let us know if that works for you as well.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, we got to come to a consensus on what we do when those infiltrators scratch through the walls so get into our nasty little comment section.
[SPEAKER_01]: Now, I think my favorite way to handle these people at this point is to just go
[SPEAKER_01]: group consensus full-troll.
[SPEAKER_01]: Mm-hmm.
[SPEAKER_01]: Don't even bother trying to reason with these people or make them understand that how they're behaving isn't saying no.
[SPEAKER_01]: You just got a fucking troll this shit out of them.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think you have to just be crazier back.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think that's the only way.
[SPEAKER_01]: I was talking to Jordan about this yesterday.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's
[SPEAKER_01]: She had an incredible idea that I loved.
[SPEAKER_01]: She was like, you know, when you are in Photoshop and you click the text button, it like automatically fills it in by being like, Laura Mipsum, the whole thing.
[SPEAKER_01]: She's like, I think you just got to start copypacing that shit back.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like that is awesome.
[SPEAKER_00]: Because that's effectively like what they're common sound like to me.
[SPEAKER_01]: Totally.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm like, Laura Mipsum.
[SPEAKER_00]: Laura Mipsum.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm gonna Laura Mipsum grass.
[SPEAKER_00]: You just got Laura I'm Ipsomed.
[SPEAKER_01]: I thought that was so good, but my immediate response was like I'm good.
[SPEAKER_01]: But this is only funny to me.
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't think this would be funny to them or even anyone else, but I was like I'm going to start responding to these comments like, uh, uh, frustrated and exhausted middle-aged mother, like you're driving me to the drink.
[SPEAKER_01]: So everything that my mom used to say when she was pissed at us and we were kids, so I'm gonna start saying these people.
[SPEAKER_00]: I really also love to your room.
[SPEAKER_00]: Hey, one, two.
[SPEAKER_00]: I also just love the, it's intense, but it really makes me laugh every time.
[SPEAKER_00]: That tweet that Cardi B tweeted one time where someone was like critiquing her about something and she just said,
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm like fuck that's just funny every time.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's really funny.
[SPEAKER_00]: I also do love a brother.
[SPEAKER_00]: Why are you even here?
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, who invited this guy?
[SPEAKER_00]: Who is this guy?
[SPEAKER_00]: Anybody know this guy?
[SPEAKER_00]: Um, security.
[SPEAKER_00]: So guys, guard sees him.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's another good one.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, guards.
[SPEAKER_01]: No, I, I was laughing for so long.
[SPEAKER_01]: We had somebody comment on one of our pump cast Instagram posts a while ago.
[SPEAKER_01]: Um, they were mad that it was a rewatch podcast, I guess.
[SPEAKER_01]: They're like,
[SPEAKER_01]: You're only 10 years late.
[SPEAKER_01]: We're like yeah, but we know that one still confuses me.
[SPEAKER_01]: Hey, so this is a rewatch podcast And they were just like fucking pissed about it for some reason really mad that we started a rewatch So fun as but to all of our pumpers you'll understand this if you're not I'll explain to you afterwards
[SPEAKER_01]: Meg responded to them and they kept going back and for I don't even remember what the hell they said Yeah, oh my god, that sounded like a fucking church bell outside.
[SPEAKER_01]: I was like, was there a rampant teleported I thought it was a trumpet So this person's going back and forth in the comments just pissed that we exist and have microphones Yeah, and I responded and just said all right, so booth
[SPEAKER_01]: And it was the perfect response.
[SPEAKER_01]: It was not one.
[SPEAKER_01]: Because if you don't listen to the show, you literally have no idea what we're talking about.
[SPEAKER_01]: But if you do listen to the show, it's like, actually, we've created something so perfect in response to these people.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: We say, all right.
[SPEAKER_01]: So Boof on the show as like a way to teleport ourselves into the next scene.
[SPEAKER_01]: So in between, every scene when there's a couple will be like, all right, so boof, end of the conversation.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: You need to teleport out of there.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: All right, so boof.
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, and I'm fairly certain she stopped responding after she said that.
[SPEAKER_01]: You can use the fuck out of them.
[SPEAKER_01]: They're like, I don't even know what that means.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: All right, so boof.
[SPEAKER_01]: And we're gone and you can't even find us anymore and we're out of there somewhere else entirely We're not we're not here anymore.
[SPEAKER_00]: You might still be here.
[SPEAKER_00]: We're not here.
[SPEAKER_01]: We're gone.
[SPEAKER_00]: We're yeah, we took that train out of the other dodge a while ago God yeah, okay, so I think that there are a lot of I think there are a lot of approaches as like love as the lover girls community
[SPEAKER_00]: out crazy them posting nonsense back to that completely troll troll trolling is encouraged in love with girls worldwide trolling very encouraged because i think so many i would say that the majority of people who are like lover girls if they're commenting it's like it's sweet it's so lovely i want to hear it i want to know what you're saying we are totally aligned
[SPEAKER_00]: And then, if it ends up in another part of the internet, the lover girls get drowned out by the haters.
[SPEAKER_01]: So we just have to fight back and make it a bunch of nonsense.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Laura Mipsum.
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_00]: You can now exit your rooms.
[SPEAKER_01]: Everyone exit your rooms.
[SPEAKER_01]: Everyone exit your room.
[SPEAKER_01]: Your safe now.
[SPEAKER_01]: The walls are coming back up.
[SPEAKER_01]: Team meeting adjourned.
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_01]: You can leave the bunker.
[SPEAKER_00]: You are now free to leave the bunker.
[SPEAKER_01]: I was also thinking yesterday, I was talking to Jordan about, we were talking about Jacks Taylor and just like the cameo of it all, we could like effectively contact us man and ask him for anything.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, which is both scary and exhilarating.
[SPEAKER_01]: But I was thinking about how, like, I'm kind of into Fatphobia as a novelty experience.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I think that I'm okay with people being Fatphobic to me under very specific circumstances.
[SPEAKER_01]: For example, if I bought a cameo from Jax Taylor and told him to roast me and he just called me Fat.
[SPEAKER_01]: For five minutes, I would think that was fucking awesome.
[SPEAKER_01]: But every part of me would love that or like if I could resurrect to Joan Rivers and get her to be fat phobic to me I'd be like this is fucking awesome.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, like I think that fat phobia should only be a novelty experience and everything else Take it to the trash totally this random guy would like a 150 followers and a Fish in his profile like this just isn't You need cannot it's not a novelty experience.
[SPEAKER_00]: No.
[SPEAKER_00]: I would yeah I would like for it to feel kind of camp in some way exactly
[SPEAKER_00]: And when it's just some random white dude who like has you know, like he has his like little puffer vest on and some like photo of him with a girlfriend, which oh my god, I wonder what she would think if she knew what he was saying.
[SPEAKER_00]: Um, when he's telling us that we're fat bitches and we should kill ourselves.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm like if there's no there's it's lacking in it.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's lacking possess.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's lacking a wow, you know, yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's lacking that pop I've only heard this every single day since I was 12 right come up with something new right.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's like we're we've we've done it.
[SPEAKER_01]: We've got to move along.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, let's keep a pushing
[SPEAKER_00]: Say something else novel T-fat phobic experiences only love a novel T-fat phobic experience got if Joan Rivers was fat phobics me That was so I would love it.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, that would be really fun.
[SPEAKER_01]: There's like there's several people that I would allow it from yeah, but I would even Prefer that they're yeah
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, yeah, like just say it.
[SPEAKER_00]: Come on.
[SPEAKER_00]: Just do it.
[SPEAKER_01]: You mean that everybody else rip it do it do it hit the low hanging fruit Yeah, come on.
[SPEAKER_01]: I know that you can't go Jack Taylor.
[SPEAKER_01]: He can't go for that high fruit.
[SPEAKER_01]: He can't even reach it.
[SPEAKER_01]: No take the low one.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yep.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's there It's all way for you.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like I kind of do I kind of want to pay him on cameo to be like roast me.
[SPEAKER_00]: You're your Descent into cameo
[SPEAKER_01]: I know, I fucking love Gamy.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm like no dude.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's awesome.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's becoming an issue I think you've someone a hundred bucks and they'll do fucking anything the way that you talk about Cameo is like how I feel about my straight guy friends talking about like fan Where I'm like okay, I think it's okay, but like I'm a little nervous about how much money you're spending on this could be awesome You're like I can just parlay it and then I can make a bunch of money back
[SPEAKER_00]: And I'm like, okay, as long as you're feeling good, girl, I love.
[SPEAKER_00]: Just like the world is your oyster on camera.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, that's true.
[SPEAKER_00]: The world is your oyster.
[SPEAKER_01]: What compares to the chill that gets sent up your spine when you see that this random niche reality TV celebrity that you've asked to give you a special message has delivered the special message.
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, and this is I think the fundamental difference between you and me, which ties into another thing I wanted to talk about, which is that I think you sometimes enjoy content that will make you feel uncomfortable or like disturbed and that is something that I actively tend to avoid not really the uncomfortable.
[SPEAKER_00]: Jax can be jax tailored.
[SPEAKER_00]: of him roasting me is the equivalent of like watching a horror movie.
[SPEAKER_00]: I understand that.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: So, but I, again, go off, sister.
[SPEAKER_01]: No, I was literally talking to my grandma about this the other day, because I've been really trying to get her into housewives.
[SPEAKER_01]: I've been trying to get so many people to know how, I'm trying to get love girls in a housewives.
[SPEAKER_01]: Absolutely.
[SPEAKER_01]: Everyone that will listen to me, I'm like, housewives, housewives.
[SPEAKER_01]: You've got a list of this.
[SPEAKER_01]: I've got a list of this.
[SPEAKER_01]: So, Bravo Gospel.
[SPEAKER_01]: And my grandma was like, but it's just like, they're all yelling at each other at the dinner table.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm like, well, yes, exactly.
[SPEAKER_01]: That is the pitch, actually.
[SPEAKER_01]: That was like the thing that was retiring her where she's like, why would you want to listen to people yelling at each other at the dinner table?
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm like, why would you not want to listen to people yelling each other at the dinner table?
[SPEAKER_00]: To me, it feels, I do think that kind of like the bravo verse feels truly kind, truly like modern Shakespeare.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: It is a content for the masses that ultimately gets it like the heart of humanity.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yep.
[SPEAKER_00]: But with people who feel completely removed from that humanity.
[SPEAKER_00]: they are so delusional, much like a Shakespeareian character, totally, you know, like they're like my life is perfect and I'm the most perfect person in the world but like they're insane and they're going to and everyone around them isn't saying it's perfect that is to me that's like going to the globe doing I'm watching theater in the round is like watching watching watching vendor pump I feel like too much of reality TV like the love is blinds of it all hmm they
[SPEAKER_01]: cast normal people yeah i'm like straight up i do not want to see normal people on my television yeah and this is why for so long and i nobody even respond to me about this because i can't even talk to you about it
[SPEAKER_01]: First of all, I've always been like, I'm not watching Love Island US because it's just too close to home.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I don't like the casting choices they make on Love Island US.
[SPEAKER_01]: Love Island UK, I love because it's like number one.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's not my dating pool.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know these people.
[SPEAKER_01]: They're like social rules that they have over there.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's different.
[SPEAKER_01]: So I feel like I'm watching something that I'm not a part of.
[SPEAKER_01]: I feel the same way witnessing the extreme wealth of the housewives where it's like, there's a removal there.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it's not like I feel like, oh, these are people like I could know, it needs to be like way more insane way wealthier way ever like it just needs to be like exaggerated in some way then I feel like so much reality TV
[SPEAKER_01]: doesn't do that.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, that's why it's bad.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: And that's why people don't think they like reality TV.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yep.
[SPEAKER_01]: But you've just got to find the right reality team.
[SPEAKER_00]: You just got to find the exaggerated reality TV.
[SPEAKER_00]: Because that is so fun to watch.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I think there's something specifically to about the housewives.
[SPEAKER_00]: And again, kind of like the bravo verse that like, the women on those shows.
[SPEAKER_00]: create magic.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I think I think it being so like women centric makes it as good as it is because the way that they fight is just so much more interesting.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like I think like a man in a woman fighting on reality TV, I'm like yeah, it's just time to do it.
[SPEAKER_00]: Seeing it a thousand times, women find the women on these shows find new and interesting ways to fight every time.
[SPEAKER_00]: And it's
[SPEAKER_00]: Every time I'm like, oh my god, I didn't even think that someone could get mad in that way and like react in that have that response to that But like you did it.
[SPEAKER_00]: You found a new way to do that and it's sick.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's awesome.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's so cool and honestly if you are Trying to get into housewives and you've ignored my requests for you to watch Salt Lake City watch real housewives of Rhode Island
[SPEAKER_01]: It's season one is airing right now.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's a brand new franchise.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's so fucking good.
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, I'm using.
[SPEAKER_01]: So it's like it's only only 10 episodes have aired so far.
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's a very reasonable amount of episodes.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Maybe I'll get it right away.
[SPEAKER_00]: And this could be the way.
[SPEAKER_00]: Could be major.
[SPEAKER_01]: Damn good.
[SPEAKER_00]: These ladies are crazy.
[SPEAKER_00]: I love you.
[SPEAKER_00]: Crazy girls.
[SPEAKER_00]: Always seeking out content to bring me stress and just constantly keep me on my toes really and I am so the opposite of that I'm like so again like I feel I feel genuinely here's what it is It used to not bother me
[SPEAKER_00]: Now I feel like I'm genuinely missing out on like a renaissance that's happening specifically in like horror in horror movies.
[SPEAKER_00]: I am missing out on it because I'm so I'm afraid.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like I want, no, I didn't watch, of course I didn't.
[SPEAKER_00]: I read the Wikipedia plot summary of obsession and I have been afraid in my apartment since I've read the plot summary.
[SPEAKER_00]: Just reading the plot summary.
[SPEAKER_01]: I was like oh, I love horror.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like it's honestly probably my favorite genre really it's the one I get the most into yeah, and I just talked about this in a vlog on YouTube This not even live at the time we're filming this but it's funny because I was talking about this literally three days ago
[SPEAKER_01]: But I used to hate horror.
[SPEAKER_01]: I used to like if my friends were watching horror movies at a sleepover in like high school I would straight up get up and leave because I was so scared.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and not to like totally Switch the vibe of this conversation.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh I'm fine now everybody who's worried about me I'm just gonna be kind of an intense vibe switch.
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_01]: I feel like
[SPEAKER_01]: I started being more interested in horror and again, bear with me because when I say this, it's going to sound insane.
[SPEAKER_01]: But I started getting more interested in horror after being present at the Boston bombings.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I think being I was 16 years old, right at the finish line when it happened.
[SPEAKER_01]: So I feel like living through that afterwards, dealing with the PTSD that came from that moment,
[SPEAKER_01]: Watching horror movies became a way to harness fear and feel like I had control over it So it'd be like I'm watching horror movies.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm opting into being scared.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I have full control over this feeling And it was something that actually ended up really helping me Yeah, find peace in like the fear that I felt loud noises when I moved to New York I had a lot of issues with like hearing construction noises and he like loud bangs would really stress me out
[SPEAKER_01]: Like that?
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: And there was some part of watching horror movies and exposing myself to fear and becoming comfortable with it that was helpful to me at the time.
[SPEAKER_01]: And then I became just so enthralled with the creative makeup, special effects, stuff that they do on these movies.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's just like so cool what people are able to create.
[SPEAKER_01]: And so it was like one part that it was helping me confront fear in a more direct way.
[SPEAKER_01]: and another part it became just like I'm so impressed with the artists that work on horror yes and now I just like we'll always have a special place for horror in my heart but it wasn't always that way yeah but it's kind of a very unique circumstance that led me to wearing it it's so interesting though that it it has been this like healing experience for you and that's the thing about horror is that like
[SPEAKER_00]: I, I so appreciate and respect the genre and like the art form of like a good horror film.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I think like again, the, um, the like renaissance that we've seen in making horror movies, I'm envious of people who can watch it and feel and like feel that.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, because it's like the thing that I walk away with,
[SPEAKER_00]: is like, I'm so terrified and someone's in my house.
[SPEAKER_00]: Right.
[SPEAKER_01]: Um, that's so interesting.
[SPEAKER_01]: I literally feel like I get it all out and I leave it at the movie.
[SPEAKER_00]: Hmm.
[SPEAKER_01]: Where it's like, I feel like I take it on and then I leave with it.
[SPEAKER_01]: So interesting.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: I really, I feel like it all stays in the theater.
[SPEAKER_00]: I wish that I had that experience because again, it's like I think there are so many like rich themes that are explored through horror and that like I love also when films are Exaggerative and in how they explore different themes and like art full in that way
[SPEAKER_00]: I love it.
[SPEAKER_00]: And it's like, I just get so afraid.
[SPEAKER_01]: So when I'm saying, I don't like, if I'm laying in bed watching a horror movie by myself, I probably won't like that.
[SPEAKER_01]: Because it's like in my house.
[SPEAKER_01]: Right.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I'm in a vulnerable position.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: If I'm watching a horror movie at home, it has to be like in the middle of the day.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: What is the thing?
[SPEAKER_00]: I literally tried watching sinners in the middle of the day by myself, and then the first scary thing that happened, I was like, I can't do this.
[SPEAKER_00]: Really?
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: I was in sinners.
[SPEAKER_00]: I had to turn off.
[SPEAKER_01]: The sinners isn't even a movie that I would necessarily categorize as horror.
[SPEAKER_01]: I know.
[SPEAKER_00]: I know.
[SPEAKER_00]: I genuinely am such a scary cat.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's crazy.
[SPEAKER_00]: There was a moment where I felt a flicker of fear watching the sheep detectives the other day.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think that people genuinely think that I'm like making it up when I say I'm so just scared to get.
[SPEAKER_00]: But when I tell you that there was a straight up, it was foggy and a scene of sheep detectives and there were some creepy sheep around.
[SPEAKER_00]: And there was a moment where I was like, those sheep were kind of freaking me out.
[SPEAKER_00]: That was so funny.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like I don't I don't know again.
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know what it is.
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know why I have such an aversion to it But I like again.
[SPEAKER_00]: It just I I want to be able to like conquer the fear.
[SPEAKER_00]: I just don't really know how and I don't even necessarily mean in the sense of like I need to be able to watch What's that really scary movie that starts with the sea Conjuring Conjuring
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't, I never need to be someone who's like, I gotta watch the Connering.
[SPEAKER_01]: I love the Connering.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm sure you do.
[SPEAKER_00]: Again, read the plot summary.
[SPEAKER_00]: Literally was terrified about the plot summary for I want to say a full month.
[SPEAKER_00]: I, like, I just want to be able to, like, watch sinners by myself and not be afraid.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: I would, I would love if that was the case.
[SPEAKER_00]: But yeah, I don't know.
[SPEAKER_00]: Maybe, and the thing is, it's interesting because like, I can watch, um, I can watch, like, interview with the vampire, the show.
[SPEAKER_00]: really good.
[SPEAKER_00]: You would love it.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's on AMC+.
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know why, but it's so random, but it's like phenomenal.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's actually crazy that it's not talked about more.
[SPEAKER_00]: Probably because it's on AMC+.
[SPEAKER_00]: But it's like some of the best acting, like some of the best stories, it's so good.
[SPEAKER_00]: I can watch that just fine.
[SPEAKER_00]: But something about like sinners in the way that it is a gore.
[SPEAKER_00]: Gore, I also really just don't like a like a spiritual demonic thing.
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't like that because I don't want to bring that energy into my home.
[SPEAKER_01]: No, I understand.
[SPEAKER_01]: And that stuff sometimes freaks me out.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think I'm a little more fine with like a
[SPEAKER_00]: Like I was against my will forced to watch scream a couple of weeks ago, which I had never seen before, and I had a hat.
[SPEAKER_00]: So I was just kind of like looking down a lot of it during the scary parts.
[SPEAKER_00]: Really fun movie.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: The parts that I watched really fun.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Um, that's like a different kind of work.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, like that to me and I don't know.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like, um, I watched train to Busan, um, love to train to Busan.
[SPEAKER_00]: That was like a phenomenal.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's like a zombie movie, which usually I don't really like, uh, but for whatever reason train to Busan, I was like fully invested in.
[SPEAKER_00]: So I don't know.
[SPEAKER_00]: Maybe I have to start kind of like marking down what it is that really freaks me out.
[SPEAKER_01]: How do you feel about like?
[SPEAKER_01]: Um, they're like scary ear movies, but they're not horror like the lovely bones kind of movies I've never seen lovely bones like thrillers kind of that like kind of kind of tilt into horror Because like lovely bones really stressful movies Really, okay
[SPEAKER_01]: I remember my sister, I don't know why my parents did this, but when lovely bones came out, my mom had read the book, so she was like really excited to watch it.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: So one night as a family, we all rented lovely bones and watched it together.
[SPEAKER_00]: They're like, God.
[SPEAKER_01]: When did lovely bones come out?
[SPEAKER_01]: Like 2009, maybe?
[SPEAKER_00]: I want to say like 2006.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like, let's check this.
[SPEAKER_01]: The lovely bones.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, my mom went to the fucking red box.
[SPEAKER_00]: Rent on the DVD.
[SPEAKER_00]: It was it was long enough ago that red box is still a fucking thing.
[SPEAKER_01]: It was 2009 Yeah, so I was 12, which would have made my sister eight right.
[SPEAKER_01]: So fucking Eight years old watching the lovely bones.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh my god Morgan was traumatized of course.
[SPEAKER_01]: He literally for years was like I am so fucking scared I cannot believe that my parents what the guy think they actually did psychological damage to Morgan
[SPEAKER_01]: They were like, go ahead, watch lovely bones.
[SPEAKER_01]: There was no movie roles in my house.
[SPEAKER_01]: We watched Stepbrothers as a family when it came out.
[SPEAKER_01]: Sure.
[SPEAKER_01]: It was probably around, that was even younger.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it was talking like 2008.
[SPEAKER_00]: Your parents said, we want to launch it, so you're going to launch it too.
[SPEAKER_01]: Hey, everybody's watching Stepbrothers.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, let's go.
[SPEAKER_00]: I did my mom did take me to see ankerman when it came out.
[SPEAKER_00]: Awesome.
[SPEAKER_00]: And that Kate was got my older sister was going with her friends.
[SPEAKER_00]: And my mom was taking them.
[SPEAKER_00]: And then she took me to,
[SPEAKER_00]: because I think it was PG-13 and I had like watched um, school of rock, which was also, I believe, PG-13 or something.
[SPEAKER_00]: And so my mom was like, all right, like, oh, I'll bring her.
[SPEAKER_00]: And then she was like, yeah, I did not.
[SPEAKER_00]: That was not.
[SPEAKER_01]: That was me, not all those will Ferrell movies went triple platinum in the house as a kid.
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't even remember which one it might even be semi pro where they call each other jive turkeys.
[SPEAKER_00]: Sure.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's been my family group chat name for the last decade plus the jive turkeys.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, we were a big, we were a big, like, stepbrothers, uh, stepbrothers, our, our big thing was wedding crashes.
[SPEAKER_01]: Hmm.
[SPEAKER_00]: We loved wedding crashes, and that was a big one for me, because I also, I think I, like, just saw boobs on the screen for the first time, and I was like, that's awesome.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's sick.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'd like to see that again.
[SPEAKER_00]: Let's rewind.
[SPEAKER_01]: Can we just one second?
[SPEAKER_01]: Could we just, just leave me with the DVD?
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm going to take good care of you.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm just going to be chill over here for a little bit I'm just going to put this in my laptop later I don't know where I went I guess it's lost where to go huh DVD like sat like shaped outline in my pants.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's so weird I guess you're going to have to pay the feed to the ghost rental store.
[SPEAKER_00]: Hi, I guess it's lost to red box forever
[SPEAKER_01]: I think we, I think we returned that one already.
[SPEAKER_01]: I did miss a red box machine though.
[SPEAKER_00]: I do miss the kind of like tactile experience of like going to pick out a movie.
[SPEAKER_00]: The novelty experience.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_01]: Getting to just like go to a movie vending machine.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: I really, I like, and like blockbuster, I really miss being able to like go and pick it out to and like having everything kind of in front of me at once and being able to like look at things and be like, Oh, let me take my time on like what I'm feeling tonight.
[SPEAKER_00]: I feel like I have to find things so quickly now.
[SPEAKER_00]: To I don't know why I'm actually thinking about this a lot recently is like feeling like I need to rush through things for whatever reason and trying to take my time more when I can yeah, but yeah, specifically with movies I feel like I need to like rush to pick something so that I can like hurry up and enjoy it you know what I mean
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it just like the experience of choosing which movie to watch has really died.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: So now when I'm like going to watch a movie, I'm scrolling through my letterboxed watch list, hmm, filtering it to see which is on streaming and being like, okay, these are my options for the night and scrolling through, which is like, it works.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I would love the experience of like walking into a movie store and actually talking to a person and getting their recommendations of like,
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, this one's really great and like showing me and I'm reading the synopsis of the synopsis.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm like how when you go to a bookstore, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: It's like the same and it's like similar to the experience of doing it on your phone, but it's like so much more rich.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, be in the world doing that versus I'm on my phone scrolling through the plots andopsis of all these things.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, I completely agree.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's like yeah, the art of picking out a movie.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, that's I think that's the thing too is like
[SPEAKER_00]: when you would pick out a movie and you would have to do that by like going to a store to pick it out.
[SPEAKER_00]: It felt like like watching a movie at home was still like an experience.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: It feels less like an experience now because because of the scrolling.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like all of that is kind of taken away.
[SPEAKER_01]: No, it was so awesome.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like when I was a kid, it was every Friday night.
[SPEAKER_01]: We would go out to dinner this Italian restaurant that was right next to a movie store and we would go rent a movie on
[SPEAKER_00]: And that was, I look forward to that every Friday.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's so fun.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's so fun.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, we're going to go get some pizzas and then we're going to go rent a movie to watch at home and like it's that movie.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like you can't click out of that movie to go find another movie because that one we've committed to.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, I like, I like that.
[SPEAKER_01]: I want them to bring that bow.
[SPEAKER_01]: I know.
[SPEAKER_00]: it also just makes sense right it's like there's so much like it's physical media we should be able to go to a store and rent it i guess i guess you could theoretically like replicate it with like a library uh like renting something from the library
[SPEAKER_01]: But then nobody has DVD players, and we're going home.
[SPEAKER_00]: This is the thing, is like, no, it has a DVD player anymore.
[SPEAKER_01]: For me, I have replicated this by becoming a movie theater person.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_01]: Where it's like my, I just go in person to the movies.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_01]: Usually at least once a week.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yep.
[SPEAKER_01]: And that is my specialty experience.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yep.
[SPEAKER_00]: but and that is yeah i'm like actively trying to do that more because i do find that experience really enjoyable and i think it's it's the most active way for me to like consume yeah you know but
[SPEAKER_01]: What can you do?
[SPEAKER_00]: What can you do?
[SPEAKER_01]: I almost wish that there was like movie theaters for TV shows and other things.
[SPEAKER_01]: Hmm, like I wish there was like a theater that's like all day we're gonna play the first we're gonna play we're gonna play pretty The liars front to back.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah season one all the way to the end.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, over the course of this month here the show times or like like if they were showing like the
[SPEAKER_00]: Go see the sopranos on the theater.
[SPEAKER_01]: I feel like there needs to be more like novelty watch experiences outside of the Home.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, yes, that like that that brings people together in community.
[SPEAKER_01]: This is what this podcast is becoming.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah It's a business idea Fucking we are generating here in here absolutely cooking.
[SPEAKER_00]: We're in the think tank mark Cuban fucking
[SPEAKER_01]: hates us.
[SPEAKER_00]: He hates that.
[SPEAKER_00]: We're giving this shit away for free.
[SPEAKER_00]: He was the one who commented all those comments It's Mark Cuban.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's Mark Cuban.
[SPEAKER_00]: Mark Cuban is army of bots because he hates the way our minds work.
[SPEAKER_00]: Come on.
[SPEAKER_00]: He's jealous
[SPEAKER_00]: And he always has been God.
[SPEAKER_00]: It would just be so fun to get to consume so there are kinds of media Then just movies in like novelty setting and they started doing that with like I mean Started this is like a binna thing for a while, but I've just been seeing a trend of it more and more of like Listening studios
[SPEAKER_00]: Like listening cafe is where it's like you go specifically to like listen to whatever records they're playing or whatever I'm like that's really cool that I want I want that but I want that also for I want that for other pieces of media as well Totally like because that's awesome It's bringing people together to consume some like art and like you're sitting there you have in a coffee and it's like communal It feels like parlor esk right where it's like people
[SPEAKER_00]: In the olden days would like all gather and like talk about ideas and politics and whatever and someone's playing piano over here It's like yeah, I like that.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I'm sad that we've lost that yeah, and like the easy access to that we can bring it back We can bring it back we can bring it back Mark Cuban heat our words
[SPEAKER_01]: This is made me think.
[SPEAKER_01]: There was someone that submitted in the box this week about being a consumer slash creator of art.
[SPEAKER_01]: I wanted to bring this to the lover girls.
[SPEAKER_01]: They said, this is a dumb question because I'm high, but I'm curious, never a dumb question.
[SPEAKER_00]: never apologize for being hired.
[SPEAKER_01]: It never.
[SPEAKER_01]: Spoken is allowed here.
[SPEAKER_00]: Working is allowed and encouraged.
[SPEAKER_01]: I view myself as a consumer of art more than an artist.
[SPEAKER_01]: I am creative kind of and enjoy writing, but I don't have the drive or self-esteem to really get good slash improve or make a career out of it.
[SPEAKER_01]: so I'm pursuing some more practical careers.
[SPEAKER_01]: As I get older, I feel like I'm shrinking more and more into a box society wants me to be in.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's usually supposed to be the opposite.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's killing my creativity.
[SPEAKER_01]: What traits about you do you think make you able to be an artist and to be so vulnerable and confident on the internet?
[SPEAKER_01]: Do you think a consumer versus an artist is different in their character
[SPEAKER_01]: You're not just saying shit.
[SPEAKER_00]: You're saying you're some really profound shit.
[SPEAKER_00]: You're spitting on the wall.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, you're spitting on the wall.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Here's my thing.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think everyone is creative and everything is creative.
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't think that being creative as a career is the thing that makes you a creative.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think I've been creative since literally the day I was born.
[SPEAKER_01]: It wasn't just when I started to pay my bills through being creative, that it became like, oh, now it's a recognizable part of who I am.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think from as long as I had a recognizable personality, anybody who knew me would say, probably if they had to describe me in three words, creative was always going to be one of the three.
[SPEAKER_01]: That said, I do think that there are people
[SPEAKER_01]: Though everyone is creative, there are some people that approach the world in more of like an analytical way versus a creative way.
[SPEAKER_01]: Sure.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I think that like viewing creativity is more like the lens through which you see the world and engage with it versus like a product that you produce.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think it's helpful.
[SPEAKER_01]: Because yeah, there are absolutely people.
[SPEAKER_01]: Though we all have
[SPEAKER_01]: the ability to be creative.
[SPEAKER_01]: There are a lot of people that don't really engage with the world or with themselves in that way.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think to be a creative person, you do have to be like deeply curious and vulnerable.
[SPEAKER_01]: And if you choose not to be those things, then you probably don't choose to live creatively.
[SPEAKER_01]: You could, but you probably don't.
[SPEAKER_01]: And also I think to be creative as a career,
[SPEAKER_01]: also means to be in constant dialogue with your creativity and to be looking at it in the face and accepting the ways that you are changing and growing and whatever and a lot of people don't want to do that either.
[SPEAKER_01]: So it's like I think it's more about people's relationship to their creative selves, not whether or not you either aren't a creative person.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I think everyone's creative.
[SPEAKER_01]: It just is a matter of how you're nourishing that relationship and if you've
[SPEAKER_01]: down relationship.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I think that's a great point about like looking at your life through a creative lens because it sounds like and I could be wrong, but it sounds like this submitter is thinking about creativity as very like product based, like what are you producing,
[SPEAKER_00]: and I think that you're exactly right.
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't think it is about what you do or do not produce.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think it's about how you kind of navigate the world with curiosity and intentionality and navigate your own life.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think that is something that the creative people that I really admire and respect are constantly interrogating those parts of themselves.
[SPEAKER_00]: and parts of themselves that other people might not label as being related to their creativity.
[SPEAKER_00]: Right, it's like I think that part of making things and part of being creative,
[SPEAKER_00]: is in so many ways about being an active participant in your own life.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I think what I mean by that is being present and being aware and choosing to be introspective and reflect on who you are and where you're coming from and who you're becoming because that does inform the creativity.
[SPEAKER_00]: They had a really good point about, um, or they brought up an interesting topic about like, you know, what treats do you have that you bring to the table in order to like be vulnerable and be creative online?
[SPEAKER_00]: I think it's treats that everybody has.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think that it is like humanity.
[SPEAKER_00]: And that's something that everybody has.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: You know?
[SPEAKER_01]: I also like sometimes when people ask questions like this.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I think this is just because I am someone who, I do feel like my creative self has been encouraged to be nourished since I was a child.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think that like my parents always encouraged me to be creative and to lean into that side of myself.
[SPEAKER_01]: So I think that I've just grown into someone that it feels truly second nature.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Where I think sometimes people are like, how are you doing this?
[SPEAKER_01]: In my head I'm like, I didn't have any choice but to do this.
[SPEAKER_01]: Right.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like this is who I am.
[SPEAKER_01]: This is how I was always going to approach it.
[SPEAKER_01]: There was no, there's no other way for me to do it.
[SPEAKER_01]: This is just how I live.
[SPEAKER_01]: This is who I live.
[SPEAKER_01]: I am at my core.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's not like I woke up and I made a conscious choice.
[SPEAKER_00]: This is just me, and I will say this too.
[SPEAKER_00]: I also respect that a lot of people don't have that type of upbringing.
[SPEAKER_00]: So it's like you get to then your adulthood and you have the time or the resources to be able to pursue this thing that maybe you didn't have the chance to pursue when you were younger.
[SPEAKER_00]: and you're like, okay, how do I do that and how do I integrate it into my day?
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, um, the submitter said that they feel like they're being pigeonholed into like a pigeonholed into like societal expectations and that it shouldn't be the case that they should feel more free as they get older.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think that that's a really common feeling.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think it's a really common feeling to get older and in your 20s or 30s or 40s feel like your options are narrowing down and that you are like running out of kind of avenues to take or paths to take.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think that that is completely normal and very understandable.
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, I think I feel that way.
[SPEAKER_00]: Even as someone who is actively pursuing things pertaining to my creativity, I think where I feel that my traits come in or whatever is that
[SPEAKER_00]: you know, yes, it was the environment that I was raised in.
[SPEAKER_00]: I was constantly encouraged to read.
[SPEAKER_00]: I was constantly encouraged to write.
[SPEAKER_00]: I was constantly encouraged to, you know, even just like being like a funny kid, people were encouraging of that and gave me praise for it.
[SPEAKER_00]: That said, you know, I'm now
[SPEAKER_00]: it's me, I have to be the person who continues to like drive that for me.
[SPEAKER_00]: And creativity, it's a tricky subject because I consider myself to be a creative person.
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't always consider myself to be productive in that creativity.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I think that that's something that I struggle with and will continue to struggle with.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I think that that's what
[SPEAKER_00]: Many creative people struggle with is like these moments of like I feel like I'm making a bunch of cool shit And I feel like I'm so tapped in and like locked into this flow state of who I am and how I'm like meeting the world in this creativity and then there are moments where I'm like I might be the dumbest person alive
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, like their moments where I'm like, have I ever said anything of value ever and will I ever again?
[SPEAKER_00]: Like I think about that any time it did so stupid, but it's like I think about that any time I make like a tick-tock or Instagram Real that does well and then for I'll go like Two months with having like nothing to say and I'm like Got nothing and nothing in the old shame by there
[SPEAKER_00]: and it's like that has happened since I've started making videos there has never been a moment where I have been out of that phase magically and all of a sudden I'm like I'm tapped into my creativity and I always will be from now on you know so I think you know it seems like what this person might be struggling with is like
[SPEAKER_00]: how to maybe find that motivation.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I would argue that it's maybe not actually about being motivated.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think it's about being compassionate towards yourself and constantly meeting yourself in the world with curiosity.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think that's what fuels creativity, rather than if you're making something of value, quote unquote.
[SPEAKER_00]: And it doesn't have to be your job or your career and you don't have to make money from it.
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, this is something that we have chosen to do because it felt like the right thing to do for us.
[SPEAKER_00]: That doesn't mean that you have to like produce stuff or make things and sell them and have them have monetary value in order for them to be worthy.
[SPEAKER_00]: You can just make things.
[SPEAKER_00]: I argue sometimes I argue that that is
[SPEAKER_00]: inherently a kind of more pure way of doing it, you know, because it's like you're making stuff for the purely for the sake of making it.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I think that that's what like is at the core of being human is like creating things because you are moved to the point of creativity.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think that's really beautiful and that should be pursued and the way that that's pursued, again, isn't by beating yourself up for, you know, not making stuff.
[SPEAKER_00]: But by
[SPEAKER_00]: meeting that world with compassion and intention.
[SPEAKER_01]: Totally.
[SPEAKER_01]: I also think that in general the world is not necessarily built for creative people.
[SPEAKER_00]: Totally.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think that a lot of people despite the fact that everyone is creative at by default.
[SPEAKER_01]: Most people don't choose to really explore and indulge because I do think to be a creative person is an incredibly vulnerable thing Yeah, and to like live creatively is incredibly vulnerable and in a lot of ways privileged.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah
[SPEAKER_00]: like people aren't necessarily, people the way that the systems are set up, like you said, do not encourage creativity because they are not creative pursuits are often not easily optimized.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, for sure.
[SPEAKER_01]: And then I feel like I said this on the Patreon episode last week where I'm like, I talked so much on the internet that I don't know where I say something.
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't like, did I say this on the podcast?
[SPEAKER_01]: Did I say it?
[SPEAKER_01]: It's impossible to know.
[SPEAKER_01]: Did I say it to a friend?
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't fucking know.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_01]: So excuse me, if I'm repeating myself here, but I was thinking about this even in connection to like the idea of moving on and what other people are like what the generalized accepted
[SPEAKER_01]: idea of what moving on is supposed to look like and how I don't really resonate with it and think that like a lot of people's perception of what moving on is supposed to look like it's pretty analytical and more like okay you're on and then it's off right you have feelings for someone and then you turn the lights which off and you move on and you never think about it again you never feel it again it's like you just don't care anymore and that's not how I've
[SPEAKER_01]: analytical versus creative brain type of thing where it's like yes as a analytical person you might be like yes feelings on feelings off but if you're a creative person there's no way that you are just like feelings on feelings off right it's like I feel like I'm in a constant state of feeling everything I've ever felt ever
[SPEAKER_01]: There's nothing that ever goes away.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's just like a matter of how intensified the feeling becomes or not, but it's never gone.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's like I'm always, it's always inside of me, it's always a reference point that I'm able to access.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I think I've talked to you about this recently, but I think I felt this way in sharing my poetry sometimes.
[SPEAKER_01]: In seeing like, or just in general, I've talked a lot about feeling like I'm too much and like seeing people react to me like I'm too much and as I get older the more I'm like, I think that is like zoomed out that is somebody that is not in touch with their creative self judging me as someone who is very in touch with my creative self.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think that like, to be a creative person, of course you have big feelings and big emotions because you have access to everything you've ever felt.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think that like, when I write poetry, I can write a poem about a feeling I felt a decade ago.
[SPEAKER_01]: And it will feel
[SPEAKER_01]: present in the way that I wrote it because I still have access to that feeling and I think that a lot of people who aren't creative don't understand that at all yeah and they will read a poem I've written and they'll be like oh so she's and she's still in love with him she's obsessed with him yeah or they're assuming that that's what they think they're reading is it's a love poem of some kind of like oh she's in love she's obsessed and I'm like well it's not really how I would put it but if that's how you see it okay
[SPEAKER_01]: It's like the spectrum of emotion seems to be boiled down to like very easily understood categories This is what this is this is what this is it's on it's off.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's this it's that it's not like this more in between
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know, I picture almost like an audio wave where it's like it's going up and down and back and forth and you can picture yourself like in a DJ booth being able to like just up the levels and go back and forth.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's how I feel about like every feeling I've ever felt and like how my brain is able to just turn it up or turn it down in terms of like accessing it.
[SPEAKER_01]: And that to me is like what it means to live creatively.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's the curiosity, the vulnerability, and the ability to like, I don't know, just sort of accept yourself and accept that there are going to be a lot of big emotions present and you don't have to get rid of any of them.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: and you also don't have to approach your life in such like analytical ways, you can just be you are creative right now.
[SPEAKER_01]: You don't have to like check off a box in order to make that happen.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: But so much of the world is so analytical and black and white that it's, I don't know, I feel like I'm constantly having to explain myself.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: But I think it's just because people's brains do not work like this unless you're also a creative person.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I think that people for whatever reason also view creative pursuits as like lesser than a lot of the times as like pursuing, I don't know, something in business or finance or some of these kind of like harder, you know, more strict industries, you know, um, I mean harder like more more firm, not like they're more difficult to pursue.
[SPEAKER_00]: But like, um,
[SPEAKER_00]: I think that people really underestimate the work that goes into knowing yourself and to actively choosing to know yourself over and over and over again and also letting go of the shame or judgment that you meet yourself with as you continue to know yourself.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's hard that because people want to see like very visible markers of things.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I feel like emotional work and so much of creative work is emotional.
[SPEAKER_01]: You can't like show that to someone.
[SPEAKER_01]: Right.
[SPEAKER_01]: You can't be like, look at what I've done and it's like all of the emotional work and processing you had to do in order to create something.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like there's no way to show that to people.
[SPEAKER_00]: it's just something that you do and it is and it is hard and people don't you're right people don't see it you know but that doesn't mean that it's not worth doing and i think you're exactly right in terms of like being able to access emotions from so long ago i i constantly think of um you know the idea that it's like as you get older the years behind you don't disappear they accrue right so it's like
[SPEAKER_00]: every age that I have ever been still lives inside me, and all those versions of myself, all those feelings that I had still live inside me.
[SPEAKER_00]: And even if I don't feel them now in this present moment, I'm still able to meet my 23-year-old self or my 13-year-old self or my six-year-old self and be like,
[SPEAKER_00]: I know that this is what I was feeling at that time.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I'm able to kind of pull that up into the present and create something because of that, or create some sort of even just dialogue with myself because of it.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I think that that has been really helpful in as I've gotten older, not only with my own creative pursuits, but I think just like,
[SPEAKER_00]: empathy for the world and for people.
[SPEAKER_00]: You know what I mean?
[SPEAKER_00]: Like I think being able to like even if for say for example, we talked a little bit about this last time I was on but like you know people who are like really struggling with like a relationship or something like that they keep going back to the same person over and over again and it's like I know the me right now
[SPEAKER_00]: However, the me at 22 can really understand that emotional response to that person's situation.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I can create, I can have empathy for it because I've been there and I've had that experience.
[SPEAKER_00]: And so I think that that is, yeah, that you, like creativity exists inside you, purely because you are a creative person by active living.
[SPEAKER_00]: You are creating, you are constantly creating things.
[SPEAKER_00]: deciding where that kind of best fits in your life, whether that be, and again, and like you said, it's like these systems are not set up for us to be creative people.
[SPEAKER_00]: especially if like this person is writing from like the US in like Western capitalist culture like we are expected to produce and make and meet a quota and like that is what we are supposed to do.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's really fucking hard to get off of your nine to five job and then sit down and be like, and now I'm going to write a poem.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's hard.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm bleeding.
[SPEAKER_00]: So it's like, I think that, you know, ultimately, I think if you're struggling with like, how do I access this creativity?
[SPEAKER_00]: First of all, like, give yourself a break, like, give yourself some compassion and some grace because this shit is difficult
[SPEAKER_00]: is so difficult and also really important.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: Really important to sustain, I think, what makes being alive.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: Worked it.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: You know?
[SPEAKER_01]: So much of nurturing your creative self is just nurturing your emotional self.
[SPEAKER_01]: There's no separation between the two.
[SPEAKER_01]: Right.
[SPEAKER_01]: And like, yeah, everyone is inherently creative.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I also don't feel like, I think sometimes people feel like they have to earn the title of calling themselves an artist.
[SPEAKER_01]: And people will be like,
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, you know, I, I make ceramics for fun or sometimes I make jewelry, but you know, I'm just, it's like a side thing for me.
[SPEAKER_01]: Right.
[SPEAKER_01]: I wish that more people felt comfortable calling themselves an artist and being like, no, I, this is me.
[SPEAKER_01]: This is like an identity of mine.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's like viewing creativity through.
[SPEAKER_01]: The analytical terms.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's my side hustle.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's my side thing that I do versus like This is a part of me.
[SPEAKER_01]: I am an artist.
[SPEAKER_01]: It doesn't matter how often I have time to do what or not do it right it is still part of me You don't have anything to prove And I think having to prove yourself at all as a creative is not
[SPEAKER_01]: a creative thing to do.
[SPEAKER_01]: You know what I mean?
[SPEAKER_01]: Like that's like the, that's the analytical.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's the capitalist.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's the other side of things.
[SPEAKER_01]: Versus like living truly as a creative person, it's deeply emotional, deeply personal ever changing and does not look one specific way.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: If you ever feel like you have to put yourself in any kind of box, that's not your creative brain speak into.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think it's also what feels really what people kind of bristle against when we talk about AI art, right?
[SPEAKER_00]: It's AI art is utterly emotionless.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: And it is never emotional because the thing that made it has no emotion.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I think that that's what people tend to kind of,
[SPEAKER_00]: like their shoulders go up to their ears about it because at least mine do.
[SPEAKER_00]: Because art to me, like you said, is emotion.
[SPEAKER_00]: Creativity is emotion.
[SPEAKER_00]: So to remove emotion from something being made.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: To me, it's better if it is an ever-made at all.
[SPEAKER_01]: 100%.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: whatever the hell that is it's not our literally whatever the hell that is I don't know what that is that's something insane that's that's just like robots talking to each other that is none of my business
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know what goes on over there and I don't need to know.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I do not need to fucking know.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I don't need to know.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's like the capitalist idea of what creativity is.
[SPEAKER_01]: And it's just like, well, that's wrong.
[SPEAKER_00]: The capitalist mind cannot comprehend an artistic soul.
[SPEAKER_01]: Right.
[SPEAKER_01]: You simply have no idea what's going on.
[SPEAKER_00]: You have no idea what's going on.
[SPEAKER_00]: And here's the thing too.
[SPEAKER_00]: I want to get back to this point as well as like this, um, the concept of like kind of running out of time.
[SPEAKER_00]: You know what I mean?
[SPEAKER_00]: Like this idea of, um, these choices are narrowing down and like I, I don't, I feel like I'm now like losing this side of myself.
[SPEAKER_00]: Life is long, man.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: You have plenty of time.
[SPEAKER_00]: Totally.
[SPEAKER_00]: Don't feel like you need to rush figuring yourself out or being alive.
[SPEAKER_01]: Life changes so goddamn quickly.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like, when I think about...
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_01]: COVID being only six years ago feels insane sometimes because when I think about how truly different of a person I am now than I was six years ago it's unfathomable me two years ago like it's life changes you change yep.
[SPEAKER_01]: Nobody worry.
[SPEAKER_00]: Nobody worry.
[SPEAKER_01]: Nothing is ever the end of anything.
[SPEAKER_01]: Don't freak out.
[SPEAKER_01]: You're totally fine.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's going to be different every now and then.
[SPEAKER_00]: Breathe literally everything will be different.
[SPEAKER_00]: I was just talking to Maddie the other day about how drastically the rhythm of my life has changed in the past three months.
[SPEAKER_00]: My nature of the fact of I got a new job and now we're doing like Vanderpump and we're doing emotionally online and all of a sudden my life has changed in a way that I have really wanted it to
[SPEAKER_00]: And it's still an adjustment, you know, so it's like this, this aspect of whoa, all of a sudden things are like feeling completely different than they did again 72 days ago, yeah, that is wild and I'm like I'm almost 30.
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, and I feel and and so much of my 20s who's me kind of like grinding away to get to like the point that I'm at now Which is just the beginning of like another phase of my life, you know, so it's like I feel like I've completed something But I also am still going and I'm like that's crazy
[SPEAKER_00]: it's a crazy feeling to have when you're you are I think especially in your 20s and in your 30s and in your I think it happens all the time at every age but it's like this feeling of like I'm constantly constantly striving for something and I feel like I'm running out of time and then it's like you're racing to something and then realize that you have like literally decades left totally.
[SPEAKER_01]: No, I've been feeling really excited recently by just like the idea of having new dreams.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, I think that like for so long my dreams have looked one way and I feel like I achieved a lot of the things I wanted to achieve and there were a couple of years where I was like, what are my big dreams?
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I don't know, like what now?
[SPEAKER_01]: And now I feel like all the sudden
[SPEAKER_01]: It's like I've entered some next chapter of my life where all of a sudden the world expanded and it was like new dreams Here they are.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, there are the new things that you're excited about that you're passionate about that you want Yeah, you like see for yourself and it's been so exciting But there was that period of time in the middle where I was like is this it?
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, is this all there is?
[SPEAKER_01]: Like there's it's like that's what is it?
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh there is and I'm like what else do I want like what do I right?
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, I was 27 years old and I'm like surely there's more.
[SPEAKER_01]: I guess this is it I'm chopped.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm armed.
[SPEAKER_01]: What else do I have to offer the world and it's like so exciting to just give yourself
[SPEAKER_01]: Times and be like, don't worry.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_01]: You will know everything you need to know exactly when you need to know it Absolutely.
[SPEAKER_01]: If you don't have the answers yet, you're supposed to.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_01]: Let yourself just live and exist and grow That's the other thing.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's like so much of being a creative person Period, but I think about this a lot in terms of like doing this as a career When I'm producing so much content on a weekly basis
[SPEAKER_01]: Sometimes I have to remind myself that, like, in order to stay inspired, I actually have to log off and live.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's really, that's a very difficult.
[SPEAKER_01]: The only thing you can do is like, in order to stay inspired, you actually, like, have to go out and have fun with your friends.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Go giggle and not work at all.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_01]: And like, that's kind of one of the awesome parts about being a creative person is like, knowing deep within your bones that, like, part of how you stay creative is by having fun.
[SPEAKER_00]: by just like freaking chilling out and cracking up.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like actually you are required to chill out and crack up.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, that's a part of the to-do.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it's part of the to-do list.
[SPEAKER_01]: Genuinely is, because if you don't do that, there's no way you can remain in touch with your creative self.
[SPEAKER_01]: Mm-hmm.
[SPEAKER_01]: You actually just have to go out and live your life and let the world inspire you.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, see what happens.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, see what happens.
[SPEAKER_00]: And take your time.
[SPEAKER_01]: Totally.
[SPEAKER_01]: Let it take as long as it needs to.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_01]: Maybe it'll take years.
[SPEAKER_01]: Maybe it'll take a decade.
[SPEAKER_01]: Who knows?
[SPEAKER_01]: But it will come.
[SPEAKER_01]: It will come.
[SPEAKER_01]: You will figure out exactly what you need to figure out at the exact time you need to figure it out.
[SPEAKER_01]: Absolutely.
[SPEAKER_01]: Just don't put pressure on yourself.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: I see a lot of that with like young people.
[SPEAKER_00]: These days.
[SPEAKER_00]: Young people these days.
[SPEAKER_00]: Young people these days alert.
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, because we're old now.
[SPEAKER_01]: We're chopped.
[SPEAKER_01]: We are young.
[SPEAKER_00]: But like, but that's the thing is like, I see people who are like, in their early 20s or like, whatever.
[SPEAKER_00]: Referring to like 25 or 26 year olds as being like, chopped, being washed, they're done.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I was thinking about this truly was just getting started.
[SPEAKER_01]: No, I'm pretending to know now just getting started.
[SPEAKER_00]: I was thinking about this the other day because I was like, why are young people?
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know, why are young people so afraid of getting older?
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't get it either.
[SPEAKER_00]: I've never been afraid of getting older.
[SPEAKER_00]: Neither of- I've only ever been excited about it because I'm like, I's got to be better than this.
[SPEAKER_00]: So you know, I'm like- I'm 19 years old having the most miserable year of my life.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm like, God, I can't wait to be fucking 25.
[SPEAKER_01]: I can't wait to know more.
[SPEAKER_00]: Right, right, and that's the thing.
[SPEAKER_00]: I- I think-
[SPEAKER_00]: In some way, them, you know, younger people being like, oh, I'm 25, it's over for me, like, my life is done.
[SPEAKER_00]: Is a way of honestly feeling like more control over their lives because it's almost scarier to think that you have decades left.
[SPEAKER_01]: You have, you just have to wait.
[SPEAKER_00]: You have decades left and right now you know nothing.
[SPEAKER_00]: Right.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's pretty scary.
[SPEAKER_01]: You can't speed through the part where you just have to live and figure it out.
[SPEAKER_00]: Right.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's so much, it feels so much safer to be like,
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm washed.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's like unfortunately the reality is that it's going to be a slow grinding process to figuring out who you are, what you like, what your dreams are and accepting that it's going to change like a billion times over the course of your life and that's okay, and that there's so much of it.
[SPEAKER_00]: There's literally so much life.
[SPEAKER_01]: There's a third amount for you to indulge in and be excited by and feel passionate about.
[SPEAKER_00]: And that's what is exciting is that you get to have new dreams, you get to achieve something and then feel like you want to achieve something else.
[SPEAKER_00]: And then you pursue that thing.
[SPEAKER_00]: Or you just get to fucking chill out, which is awesome too, that's so sick.
[SPEAKER_00]: I just think, yeah, I think that people, I think that people look at kind of this yawning gap ahead of them of like the years ahead of their lives and it gets really scary to think about it.
[SPEAKER_00]: because you graduate from college or whatever and you're like okay like what now and then you're kind of like figuring it out and maybe you find a job that you kind of fucking hate and like you don't have really any money and you're you know living with five other roommates and you're just like god my life sucks like it's always going to be like this.
[SPEAKER_00]: It won't.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: It just won't.
[SPEAKER_00]: It will change.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like your life will change by nature of time passing.
[SPEAKER_00]: And yes, part of that is through the choices that you make and part of that is just like what being alive is.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: And it is scary and it's also really exciting.
[SPEAKER_00]: So excited and you have control you have more control than you think a hundred percent You know, you have the ability to make choices in your life and you have the ability if you don't like it You can change it.
[SPEAKER_00]: I've actually just had this conversation with one of my buddies recently who took a job and they were like It's not what I really want.
[SPEAKER_00]: I haven't been here that long, but it I feel really like I I don't like it I think I need to get out and I was like brother
[SPEAKER_00]: As someone who quit something, the moment I don't like it, might I advise quitting, right?
[SPEAKER_00]: You owe those people nothing, you know, like if you don't like something Obviously they're external circumstances, but if you have the ability to make changes, you can, you can pivot, it's awesome, and it's awesome to also have the feeling as you get older of like I have the power to make those choices
[SPEAKER_01]: we also like don't have to be like our parents generation yeah like i see my dad who is 60 and all have conversations with him and be like so like we think about retirings and like you were reaching that day right this man
[SPEAKER_01]: will work until he dies.
[SPEAKER_01]: He has no intention of ever stopping work.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Truly, I think that it's going to be like he's going to have to be held down by our whole family and like more to stop working.
[SPEAKER_01]: And like part of it is like he says that he likes it.
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't necessarily believe in it.
[SPEAKER_01]: Maybe it's just familiar.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, totally.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm like, I don't know how exciting recruitment is.
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know, exciting being a rock rotor, but hey, maybe it's his passion.
[SPEAKER_00]: Maybe that's what he loves.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, he says that's exactly what his passion is But it's like the idea that like we just have to be in this like cycle of grinding ourselves away.
[SPEAKER_01]: Right.
[SPEAKER_01]: And that like work is the passion like straight up It's not mine.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, my passion is giggling and relaxing totally
[SPEAKER_01]: I can't wait to giggle and relax for the rest of my life.
[SPEAKER_00]: I literally love it.
[SPEAKER_00]: Any chance that I get to fucking sit on my couch.
[SPEAKER_00]: I hate you so awesome.
[SPEAKER_01]: Awesome.
[SPEAKER_01]: I like doing lots of awesome things.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: I would never say that like responding to emails is one of my favorite things to do.
[SPEAKER_01]: No.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like I like going to Spaz and laughing with my friends and trying new restaurants and finding new funky clothes.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like that's the spice of life.
[SPEAKER_00]: That is so the spice of life and it's like again, you don't it feels cliche to say this as someone who's like 29 right to be like I've you know in my wisdom to use and whatever, but I do I have often called your 20s the dog yours because one year feels like seven yeah like
[SPEAKER_00]: In your early 20s, I cannot emphasize how different your life is going to be in your late 20s than your early 20s.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like, yeah, it will feel so, I don't even know her.
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know.
[SPEAKER_00]: She lives inside me and I love her.
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know that girl.
[SPEAKER_01]: The version of me that existed before I started living alone, I do not know.
[SPEAKER_01]: You when I started living alone that that to me feels like when like the journey to my current self really began.
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, that's really beautiful.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: I love that.
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, this is the it's like, yeah, they're they're just going to be these like markers and moments in your life that you you don't even realize that it marks a change.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: But then a couple of years later you look back and you're like, whoa, that was the time that really like I
[SPEAKER_00]: kind of stepped into this new phase, you know, like I think about the person that I was when I was 20 was very different than the person that I was when I was 22 and chose to move to New York at this kind of sight unseen and be like, hey, I'm going to move here into this city that I don't really know anything about and just kind of see what happens.
[SPEAKER_00]: is very different than the person that I am now in 29.
[SPEAKER_01]: You get so weird zooming out like that.
[SPEAKER_01]: Sometimes even just hearing you say that right now.
[SPEAKER_01]: In my head, I go, oh my God, thank God, you did that.
[SPEAKER_00]: No, really.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like if you never made that choice, then you and I never would have met.
[SPEAKER_01]: We never would have been sitting here having this conversation.
[SPEAKER_01]: And like now you're one of my closest friends.
[SPEAKER_01]: And like people cherish the most in my life.
[SPEAKER_01]: So I'm like, I can't even imagine that there could have been a timeline where I never met you.
[SPEAKER_01]: I like the most.
[SPEAKER_01]: Or I think about it's like you don't realize the like domino effect of all the choices you made.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, and like where you will end up because of one small choice You made when you're 22.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, like beautiful things are coming eight years down the line and you don't even know You don't know how you're setting yourself up, but you are setting yourself up
[SPEAKER_00]: for beautiful things to happen.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: Genuinely.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think about that, too.
[SPEAKER_00]: It were just like, yeah, the things that happened for us to meet and be kind of friends.
[SPEAKER_01]: The stars align.
[SPEAKER_00]: The stars align.
[SPEAKER_00]: And it honestly, it felt like chaos when it happened.
[SPEAKER_00]: But the entire time you and I were locked in.
[SPEAKER_00]: Right.
[SPEAKER_01]: So it's like there's a lot of things happening around us.
[SPEAKER_01]: The one thing I do know for certain is I'm supposed to be in the box.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, this girl, this girl, I'm taking her with me.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it's just like, again, it's like, don't be afraid of getting older.
[SPEAKER_00]: Don't be afraid of aging.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's beautiful.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm so excited to turn 30.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm so excited for my 30s.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm so excited for my 40s and my 50s and my 60s.
[SPEAKER_00]: I literally love, I love seeing like older women online.
[SPEAKER_01]: Do you know, I think your use names welcome to Heidi?
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, I think I do.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: She is everything.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, she is like that's the vibe.
[SPEAKER_01]: I hope I have like this image of a woman who is just like She's fashionable.
[SPEAKER_01]: She's like living very creatively.
[SPEAKER_01]: She doesn't give a single solitary fuck.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_01]: She's just like living her truth Boldly and unapologetically.
[SPEAKER_00]: I love it.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's amazing.
[SPEAKER_01]: I have to look forward to a little things also like no disrespect to old people with this hair style
[SPEAKER_01]: You don't all old women have like this similar vibe.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Beesness, hairstyle.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm so excited that I don't think that's gonna be true for our generation.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_00]: I agree.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think about that all the time too, where I saw this, I saw a woman the other day on TikTok who was like a little bit older or thinks she was like 58 or something and she just had this really cool vibe about her like awesome clothes and like awesome vibe and had this like sick like milit.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like the shag milit
[SPEAKER_00]: That is so sick.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like I.
[SPEAKER_00]: love the idea to your point where it's like this is notice respect to the older generation, but like I'm really excited that I get to live not like them.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, you know, like I'm really excited that I get to I get to choose so much more than even like my mom got to choose.
[SPEAKER_01]: There's way more freedom of expression that's just like built into our generation.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, by default,
[SPEAKER_01]: Really, it's really fulfilling and it can be scary But more often than not, it feels fulfilling even like so I remember my whole life and even still like my mom She loves fashion and like she shops and all the same stores that I shop at one of my favorite things to do is when I come across a shop online That doesn't sell plus sizes, but I think it's so cool.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm like Amishelle.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's gone
[SPEAKER_01]: It's going right to you or like all the things on my my size is sold out me and my mom both love dressed in law law I really got to become like my new favorite brand Yeah, I'll let my mom loves it too and whenever like my size is out of stock I'll send the link to her and I'm like I think you should get this because it's very good.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and she wears whatever the hell She wants but she'll often like send me a picture of some outfit She got and she's like, do you think this is crazy for me to wear a my age and she's actually this question a billion times Yeah, over the course of my life.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I'm always like mom
[SPEAKER_01]: There is not a single item of clothing that you could show me that I would tell you is inappropriate for your age.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yep.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think you can wear whatever the hell you want to wear.
[SPEAKER_01]: Agreed.
[SPEAKER_01]: I am going to say this for the rest of my life to every person no matter how old you are no matter what shape it or size your body is.
[SPEAKER_01]: It does not matter to me.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yep.
[SPEAKER_01]: Whatever you like to wear you should wear.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, like the creative expression of it all is not something that you age out of.
[SPEAKER_01]: No, it's like all of a sudden I've reached I'm 55 years old.
[SPEAKER_01]: I can't dress creatively anymore.
[SPEAKER_01]: I can like express myself in this way because I'm old and I have to just like be fucking boring now.
[SPEAKER_01]: Right.
[SPEAKER_00]: No.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm gonna be sexy as hell!
[SPEAKER_01]: You guys are gonna be fucked up when you see me when I'm 80.
[SPEAKER_01]: You're gonna be like covered in all these tattoos you can't even tell what they look like anymore.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm gonna still up purple hair and I'm gonna be wearing crazy alvads.
[SPEAKER_01]: You're gonna just look at me and know that I have lived such a rich life and that's what I want.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yep.
[SPEAKER_00]: I agree.
[SPEAKER_00]: Could not agree more.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I think there's just so much beauty in
[SPEAKER_00]: aging because that is like, that's what we're here to do.
[SPEAKER_00]: We're here to be alive.
[SPEAKER_00]: Let's enjoy it.
[SPEAKER_00]: Please, there are so many other reasons to not enjoy it that we don't have control over.
[SPEAKER_00]: Let's at least enjoy the things that we do.
[SPEAKER_01]: Let's enjoy the fun stuff.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, come on.
[SPEAKER_01]: To be like, I can't do this fun thing anymore because I aged out of it is absurd.
[SPEAKER_01]: silly.
[SPEAKER_01]: I was thinking about this and this is also crazy and sometimes I have to turn it around on myself because my siblings will get mad at me for this but I like and again this is because of my hair the fact that this has been brought up twice in this episode but like it's an important topic.
[SPEAKER_01]: The idea of like going down a water slide and how like so many adults are like ah, I'm too old for that I'm not gonna do all that water slide a water slide it's too old for fun And it's like so nice.
[SPEAKER_01]: I will also be like I'm not gonna do that, but it's because of my hair I know If I had a billion dollars to get my hair refreshed every two weeks, I would go down every water slide
[SPEAKER_00]: It's so true, like there's just, yeah, there's so much joy to be had, and it can feel, it can feel a lot of the times like there, there isn't.
[SPEAKER_00]: So it's like, we might as well try to carve out those moments when we can, you know, go down the water side, go down the water side, where the funky outfit.
[SPEAKER_01]: Period.
[SPEAKER_01]: Creativity is everywhere.
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, you just have to be willing to see it.
[SPEAKER_00]: Creativity is everywhere for those with eyes to see.
[SPEAKER_01]: And we, we've got eyes.
[SPEAKER_00]: We see, we see all.
[SPEAKER_00]: I have no choice but to see.
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