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[SPEAKER_00]: Because you've got to remember, you're not training a puppy that's in front of you.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You're training your adult dog, so when you go to the beach on vacation, when you go to an Airbnb, when you go for a walk, when you bring your dog on the subway, when you bring your dog into a hotel, you bring your dog to go get coffee, that's the dog you're training.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So don't be afraid to start your training early and get a jump start on everything.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Hello everybody, welcome back to the NoBadDogs Podcast and my second YouTube channel.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Welcome to the show.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Today we're gonna be talking about a very popular topic in the puppy world of when you should start training your puppy.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Now, I've done some sub-stacks on this before, but I'm gonna dive a little bit deeper into the podcast here.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And a lot of people, now as a behavioral trainer, as you guys know, or may not know, I'm an expert in behavior, I work on behavior modification, I typically work with dogs that have extreme behavior, have a bite history or have anxiety or have severe leash reactivity on the leash, that's my bread and butter, that's what I'm comfortable with, that's my passion in life, helping dogs with behavioral issues.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Uh, so when dogs come in, I typically will see them, unfortunately, in that state of mind.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And what I typically see is dog owners waiting until there's problems with their dog before they seek training.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So just to give you context, again, I'm somebody who the dogs already have issues.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't have a lot of opportunities to develop, shape, and mold puppies or young dogs without any of these issues.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That's why you guys see me train a certain way because I typically work with certain types of dogs.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like, if you were working on one particular model of car, you probably have all the tool set up for that and you probably don't, you know, work with a lot of other models just because that's your forte, right?

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[SPEAKER_00]: And so that's what I've been doing for the last 13 years is working with behavioral stuff.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And so what I see a lot is dog owners waiting too long.

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[SPEAKER_00]: to train their dog or to train their new puppy I should say because it's so so let's just answer the question right at hand when should you be training your puppy and the answer is as soon as you get them I know with all of my dogs with burly and with Lakota I started training them the moment I got them the moment I pick them up the moment I brought them home we have to understand that dogs brains grow significantly faster and develop significantly

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[SPEAKER_00]: And humans do and I feel like a lot of dog owners look at this cute little puppy and they say there's no way I'm going to start training this dog how to sit or how to heal Or you know how to stay or whatever or how to leave it and the reality is is when you pull those dogs in at that age they're like toddlers not only should you be developing the behaviors for you to live a happy healthy life with your dog long term

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[SPEAKER_00]: But that window of engagement with you and that window of learning is crucial.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They are sponges, they haven't learned all the bad stuff yet, right?

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[SPEAKER_00]: The old saying of like, you can't train old dog new tricks.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's like, well, there is some validity that you can.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It just takes a lot longer and it's much harder.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So when they're puppies, they're just like with kids, you wouldn't, you wouldn't wait for your kid to be five years old to start teaching a manners.

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[SPEAKER_00]: you wouldn't wait for your kid to start making really bad mistakes in school and acting out and getting into trouble to start laying down foundational.

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[SPEAKER_00]: thresholds, and boundaries, and corrections, and punishment.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like you wouldn't wait for any of that stuff.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You would start immediately, you know, when your toddler grabs something they shouldn't, you go, no, boom, correction, punishment, immediately, that's not good.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They go, and they get stressed.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So they remember, I don't want to do that again, right?

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[SPEAKER_00]: So when we're teaching puppies, it's the same exact thing.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But the problem with puppies is the window of that sponge-like mentality or that sponge-like learning center if you will in their brain is much shorter than humans.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Humans, we learn, I mean, what do they say that the human brain doesn't fully develop until our 20s, right?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Fully, right, especially with male, with men.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And so,

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[SPEAKER_00]: you have a much longer window with human beings and you know we can all even if you're 80 years old you can still learn something new right but with dogs it's a little bit different because their life is so short and so it's important that when you guys get your dog home you do start training now the next question I typically get is like okay what what type of training should we be doing

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I have a whole Kickstarter course on all of this stuff you guys can find in the link below that really goes over the five basic things you should be doing in depth with an actual puppy.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I would check that out.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But let's just talk about what you should be doing.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You should be working on thresholds, right?

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[SPEAKER_00]: So meaning when you go up to a door, don't allow your dog to push through that threshold.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And it doesn't have to be a necessarily a door.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It could be the crate.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It could be the sliding glass door, it could be coming into the house, going out of the house, going into a store, going into the tractor supply, whatever.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You want to create thresholds.

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[SPEAKER_00]: What that does is it just creates basic manner.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So think about it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Again, I have two kids.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I talk about it a lot.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's very, very, very transferable.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We teach our kids to hold our hands and busy intersections when we're in the city.

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[SPEAKER_00]: When we're getting out of the parking lot, etc., right?

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[SPEAKER_00]: We teach them, don't just run.

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[SPEAKER_00]: These are thresholds.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You have to pay attention.

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[SPEAKER_00]: and it's for their safety, it's the same exact thing with dogs, but in the future with dogs, it's the same thing with kids in child development.

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[SPEAKER_00]: If we start at an early age to teach our dogs, to teach our puppies, to teach our children, to engage with us and ask for permission.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's not just because we're trying to control every aspect of their life.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's because we are adults and we can decipher are there cars?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Are there not cars?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Is this a busy supermarket?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Do I want you

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[SPEAKER_00]: same thing with dogs do I want you to start making decisions it's the same thing we're working on the macro principles here of our dog checking in with us our dog asking for permission for stuff and it's it's all because of safety and it's all because we care and I think I think people overlook that they get a puppy they're cute and they're this little thing and they got whatever just do what you want and that's that's I mean yes they're cute they are puppies

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[SPEAKER_00]: depending on the size of the puppy and just start working on those thresholds.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, that's the first thing you can do is just letting the dog know they can't exit any type of exit without your permission or your break command.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So now you're starting off with boundaries and you're starting off with the break command.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So not allowing the dog to just rush out of things and it's and again, it has a multifaceted utility in your life with your dog because you're teaching your dog that you don't want to rush out the door because that's just annoying and potentially dangerous.

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[SPEAKER_00]: A lot of people, again, like myself have kids and we don't want our dogs to knock them over.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We don't want to be knocked over.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And again, the other thing is is just the macro of that is the dog is going to sit there and ask for permission.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, break.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, you may.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Um, so on and so forth.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So, so that's the first thing.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's just start working on thresholds and I'll just add Because the next question I typically get after that explanation is well, how long should I be doing this?

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[SPEAKER_00]: How often?

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[SPEAKER_00]: And my recommendation, you know, because they are puppies just like kids.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We're not trying to read them.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Moby Dick, we're trying to read them, you know, a five-page thing because that's all their brains can take.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's the same thing with puppies.

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[SPEAKER_00]: When we ask our puppy to

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[SPEAKER_00]: sit and stay, I would wrap it out maybe three times and then give them a break and then do it throughout the day.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So small and short and sweet sessions for puppies is the sweet spot for their learning, capping and development.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But again, you know, again, a lot of people make the mistake of, well, I'm only walking my dog once.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Therefore, I can only work on thresholds once, right?

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[SPEAKER_00]: All right, wrong.

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[SPEAKER_00]: put your dog on a leash, go up to a door, typically the door that you walk out of often, and you work on your thresholds, right?

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[SPEAKER_00]: You work on brake, come back in, do it again.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You can do that four times each way outside the potty and for your walk, back in for your, that's eight times in a single session that you worked on that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And then a half an hour later, when your puppy's gotta go back out to go potty,

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[SPEAKER_00]: do the same exact thing.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Now, again, having the break command is extremely useful.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So this kind of the second thing on the list is telling your dog when they can be a dog and be free.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Now, it's important for you guys because puppies are potty training.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So they, you may not have time to work on a sit-stay or a threshold because they gotta go.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And that's when you go up to the door and you say, break, tell us the dog, you release, go on through.

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[SPEAKER_00]: then when you come back in after they've done their business, you can work on your thresholds again.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We don't want the dog to anticipate anything.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We don't want, because that's where anxiety starts to happen.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That's where the whining, the spinning, the anxiousness, the chaos,

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[SPEAKER_00]: of entering and leaving certain environments are created.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So really the best thing to do is let you be the desider of when you're going to leave and when you don't, it has a big, big role in separation anxiety as well.

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[SPEAKER_00]: A lot of separation anxiety is because dog owners will make the biggest deal out of leaving.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They basically set the dog up for failure to say hey,

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's okay, buddy.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm going to be back at three and Jonah's going to be here to let you out at 12.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Everything is going to be fine.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You start letting the dog know.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, boy.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We're doing this whole thing again.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We're about to leave.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't want you to leave this sucks.

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[SPEAKER_00]: The whining starts, the spinning starts, the scratching at the whatever starts.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Don't do that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: The more that your dog anticipates.

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[SPEAKER_00]: exits and entries, is the more anxiety your dog is going to have.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So again, people, that's why I've created, you know, no bad dogs is because people create a lot of these issues with their dogs and then they go, well, why is my dog acting so anxious when I leave or when I come home?

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's like, well, it's because you've created it, unfortunately.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So just make sure when you guys are,

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[SPEAKER_00]: Exiting, do 10 reps in and out.

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[SPEAKER_00]: The dog doesn't know if they're actually going out or not.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They don't know if they're going in or not They're and the point is is they're just looking at you going whatever you want me to do You want to take off the table the anticipation of tunnel vision That's why so many dogs pull on the leash That's why so many dogs get crazy and they run out the crate They run up the door and it's very dangerous the amount of dogs that have been hit by cars because they just bolt out the door

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[SPEAKER_00]: is nuts.

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[SPEAKER_00]: What I do with my dogs, I open the car door.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I shut it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I open it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I leave it open.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I walk away.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I shut it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They can't get out of that crate or that car door until I release them.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Right?

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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, it's super important.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So two things happen there.

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[SPEAKER_00]: your dog is safer, less anxious, and the second fold to that is because it's a two fold thing is your dog is calmly looking for you for permission, and they're not anticipating anything, and maybe they want to, like Lakota, she's looking at me, can me get out, can we get out, can we play, can we do this?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Break.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Sure, you can.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Absolutely.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And then maybe I'll I'll I'll I'll switch it up.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'll say back in the truck.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Boom.

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[SPEAKER_00]: She jumps back in.

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[SPEAKER_00]: She's looking at me like seriously.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, break.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Okay.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Fine.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Boom.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So so everything should be run through you.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's how really, really good corporations and businesses and successful businesses are ran and operated, run through the person with the most experience to make sure that it's okay before we execute.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So we make good decisions.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Now, everyone makes mistakes.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Every single person makes mistakes.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Every day, not one person living on this planet who doesn't make mistakes and dogs are no different.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You're no different.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm no different.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Things happen.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Absolutely.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We learn from those mistakes.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We develop when we get better from those mistakes.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So it's important to just, as you develop in these things, my job and my goal is to help you guys make less mistakes through all the mistakes my clients bring me or all the mistakes I've made as a dog on our throughout my career and out my life.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So, so you work on your thresholds.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You work on your boundaries.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You could start that seven weeks old, eight weeks old, the moment you get your puppy home.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Now, of course, we're not correcting the dogs with heavy force, because either little and be, they don't know what you're asking and see their sensitive and we want to build that trust.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We're just using our leash to say nope.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So it is punishment, but we're not, you know, with the German Shepherd who's trying to yank you out the door and smash your face up the concrete, we're correcting them with a lot more umph, because there's a lot more at stake, which is your safety and theirs.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We're going to get a tiny little puppy, it's very important that you are just using a little bit of leash pressure, basically holding them back, and the moment they relax.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So it's called negative punishment.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So we're applying pressure.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So basically what you'll do is you'll take your leash, the dog goes through, we apply pressure, the dog's pulling, pulling like this, they come back, they stop, yes, good.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So that's basic leash pressure.

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[SPEAKER_00]: All of this, again, is in my Kickstarter course.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Highly recommended, if anybody has a new puppy, or you just want to restart your relationship with your dog.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But, um,

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[SPEAKER_00]: because it shows you actually with an actual puppy.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So as we move forward, you got your thresholds, right?

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[SPEAKER_00]: You got your break command, you got your leash pressure, which we just spoke about, and your commands, which I talk about all the time.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So typically for me, it's going to be the break, it's the place, it's the stay, it's the heel, and the recall.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Those are the five basics that I introduce

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[SPEAKER_00]: basically from eight weeks all the way up to four months typically, so from from the two month mark all the way up into the four month to depending on the breed, the five month mark, and then I started advancing those things out.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like Lakota, my debt shepherd, she was fully awfully strained, knows everything she knows now at six months because she was, that's her breed.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like she's a working dog, she wants to work bang bang boom.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Excuse me, other dogs, you know, they may, they may take more time to develop slower times to develop that's totally normal.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Burley, when I was training him, my master, if you guys haven't seen that process, half, like a quarter of the time, excuse me, that it took, I mean, way, way slower, because he's not a flashy dog like that, right?

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[SPEAKER_00]: He wasn't developed for that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He was not that type of dog, right?

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[SPEAKER_00]: So, as we develop,

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[SPEAKER_00]: Your puppies, you know, it's important to have these thresholds and don't be afraid to sorry not thresholds have these these five basics down and don't be afraid to start training your dog at an early age because you got to remember you're not training a puppy that's in front of you you're training the dot your adult dog, so when you go to the beach on vacation, and you're going to go to the beach on vacation and you're going to go to the beach on vacation and you're going to go to the beach on vacation and you're going to go to the beach on vacation and you're going to go to the beach on vacation and you're going to go to the beach on vacation and you're going to go to the beach on vacation and you're going to go to the beach on vacation and you're going to go to the beach on vacation and you're going to go to the beach on vacation and you're going to go to the beach on vacation and you're going to go to the beach on vacation and you're going to go to the beach on vacation

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[SPEAKER_00]: when you go to an Airbnb, when you go for a walk, when you bring your dog on the subway, when you bring your dog into a hotel, you bring your dog to go get coffee, that's the dog you're training.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So don't be afraid to start your training early and get a jump start on everything, because from somebody who trains dogs professionally, so many people wait for it to be too long.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And that's, again, that's where all the anxiety comes in, 99% of anxiety and frustration and fearful reactivity on the leash,

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[SPEAKER_00]: is because of owners not putting in the foundation.

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[SPEAKER_00]: If you guys, I've been on YouTube training dogs for a long time now.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And if you go back and look at some of my videos of dogs coming in with all this anxiety and frustration and stress and reactivity and even a bite history, you will see the owners, they can't ask their dog to sit, they can't tell their dog to stay, they can't tell their dog to place, their dog doesn't engage with them, their dog doesn't look at them,

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[SPEAKER_00]: All of that, and that's why we created that Kickstarter course to be completely honest with you guys.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm like, man, this is a prerequisite for every dog that has these issues, but as you, so I'll just say this as kind of like a closer.

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[SPEAKER_00]: The last thing you should be working on on top of those five basics is engagement.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So one thing I did with all my puppies, including Burley and including Lakota,

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[SPEAKER_00]: is I got some food out and you guys can see this in my puppy series with burly on my YouTube channel.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think it's labeled like the first thing I do with my new dog or my new puppy.

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[SPEAKER_00]: What I do is I sit in a stool and I get food or sit in a chair and I get some food and I start teaching the dog to look at me, right?

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[SPEAKER_00]: So in the very beginning, what I do is I get food, I look, I do a queue up the look command.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I start imprinting that look or focus whatever you want to use.

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[SPEAKER_00]: The dog looks or foked bang.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, good luck.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, good luck.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, good luck, et cetera.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Then I teach the dog that it's actually my face.

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[SPEAKER_00]: What you want to be looking at, not the food, the food is just like the kind of the

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[SPEAKER_00]: the train in between right it's just the connecting tissue to help me get their faster and for the dog to work longer as a puppy and then what I do is I start taking that food and I move it over here and then what happens is the dog starts looking over here like a look look they're looking over here in the moment they go boom yes they get paid so engagement's really important too a lot of people asked me time how did you get Lakota my dot-sheper to look at you so much to be so engaged laser focused

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[SPEAKER_00]: I never gave her anything without looking at my face first.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That's why when we go out with a tug, which we just restock their brand new tugs, you guys should check out super good for playing with your dog.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's not a toy for them to go chew on.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's a training tool to pay your dog to interact and play with.

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[SPEAKER_00]: The other thing that it's really great for is a really fast reward with that overfeeding your dog.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Anyway, so link in the description.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So,

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[SPEAKER_00]: your engagement is really important.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So as you're doing your thresholds, you're going to combine engagement.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Don't have the dog just look outside.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Right?

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's just like kids.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I always make my my boys look at me.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I say look at me.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They have a hard time.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They're especially, you know, my three-year-old.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But the point is, is if I'm trying to...

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[SPEAKER_00]: Trying to teach him something valuable, perfect example.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We were in Jesuits who yesterday and I teach a Jesuit suit class for the kids and I was talking to one of the professors there and he walked out and it's in a mall.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So he walked out by himself and I went up and I got down low with them and I grabbed this hand and we're in a mall.

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[SPEAKER_00]: There's gumball machines and kids and old navies and a bunch of things around and he was distracted.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I said, look at me.

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[SPEAKER_00]: look at me, right?

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[SPEAKER_00]: And he had a hard time, but he finally looked at me in my eyes.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And sometimes he dip down, I said, no, look at me and I explained to him, you cannot leave without data.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You cannot walk away without my permission.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You can't do that in a guy's.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Same thing I've been talking about for years with dog training.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's not because I want to control every aspect.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's because I care and I love my children and I don't want them to ever, God forbid, get hurt or even worse.

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[SPEAKER_00]: By getting away from me.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I am their safety net at a three-year-old little baby, right?

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's my job and my responsibility to make sure they know they need to stay close to their parents or to adults that they trust.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That's what's the same thing.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I made him look at me.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I need to drive that in.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's it's imperative to his To his safety, which is I care nothing.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I care nothing more about my children's safety than anything else in the world It's the most valuable thing for me.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So it's the same thing.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So for engagement

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm not going to sit there and try to explain something really important to him when he's looking the other way.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's not going to work.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Same thing with dogs.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You combine and you marry or what we call in dog training.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You bridge these two things together.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You go up to the threshold.

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[SPEAKER_00]: The dog looks straight up at you because you've worked on focus.

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[SPEAKER_00]: The dog focuses on you.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You open the door.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They still stare at you bang.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Then you break them through.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That's great.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Great engagement.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That lets you know.

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[SPEAKER_00]: that you're starting the walk, you're starting the develop on a really good, a really good step, a really good first step, a really good first page, really good first walk on the right foot, so what I'm trying to say.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So anyway, guys, don't be afraid to start training your puppy the moment you get them, just how you train your puppy and how long you train your puppy is important.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Thank you guys so much for watching and listening to the podcast.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I really hope that this was helpful and if it was, make sure you guys leave a comment or subscribe to our YouTube channel or follow us on Spotify and we'll talk to you guys on the next podcast.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Peace.

