[SPEAKER_00]: Welcome to the Forty K-Lorecast.
[SPEAKER_00]: Welcome to Forty K. Lorcats with me, John Barsati and Brad Chester.
[SPEAKER_00]: This guy.
[SPEAKER_00]: Today we're diving into the legion of the damned.
[SPEAKER_00]: What they are, where they come from, and what is known about them.
[SPEAKER_01]: Mmm.
[SPEAKER_01]: Also, they look cool when you paint them.
[SPEAKER_01]: Mmm.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'll talk about that.
[SPEAKER_00]: Ah.
[SPEAKER_00]: ah, come on.
[SPEAKER_00]: There's a lot of black armies.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, but I mean, you saw Valley's Army.
[SPEAKER_00]: It looks really cool.
[SPEAKER_00]: It does.
[SPEAKER_00]: I, it just, I mean, maybe talk about later, but like if we're ranking out like the all black space marine armies, I actually think death watch like the best.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's my opinion.
[SPEAKER_00]: But.
[SPEAKER_01]: Um, they can be pretty boring.
[SPEAKER_01]: But good.
[SPEAKER_00]: All right.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Miss Coosie.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's a big tunnel.
[SPEAKER_00]: Obviously we're going to Rome.
[SPEAKER_00]: If you guys haven't figured out, I've been doing euro trip for the last I don't know, month.
[SPEAKER_00]: This is a final stop on the euro trip wagon.
[SPEAKER_00]: Ah.
[SPEAKER_00]: Italian.
[SPEAKER_00]: So Italian is actually super easy for me because I go there all the time.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm usually going to task me because that's where my family is.
[SPEAKER_00]: But sure.
[SPEAKER_01]: If you can't do anything about Italy with a name like Barassani, just come on.
[SPEAKER_00]: Fine.
[SPEAKER_00]: Why do you want to go to Rome?
[SPEAKER_00]: Why?
[SPEAKER_00]: Why do you want to go to La Soria?
[SPEAKER_00]: I want to go to Italy because I don't want to go to
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[SPEAKER_01]: The amount of comments that just throw in my old old man, Brad, 40, get you all that calm.
[SPEAKER_01]: There's, I think, one in almost every episode.
[SPEAKER_01]: It does crack me up every time.
[SPEAKER_00]: So please keep doing.
[SPEAKER_00]: All right.
[SPEAKER_00]: Back to English about Rome.
[SPEAKER_00]: I look, why go to Rome?
[SPEAKER_00]: Because you like history, you like art, you like food, and you don't mind throngs of tourists and the concept of hopping and a cab and wondering if today is your is the day doesn't bother you because your driver thinks that if you can get above 88 miles an hour, he can travel back in time.
[SPEAKER_00]: That is a real thing in Rome, fun story in Rome, I think like 95% of all cars in Rome are dented from Namastecon.
[SPEAKER_00]: We're not, I always tell people when you learn to drive in Italy, you can drive anywhere.
[SPEAKER_00]: While you're there though, you can't see it all.
[SPEAKER_00]: I do love.
[SPEAKER_00]: I love Italy, Rome's fine.
[SPEAKER_00]: A Colosseum, but to be fair, the Colosseum looks beat up, but I'm sorry, does your country have a 2000 year old thing that's still standing?
[SPEAKER_00]: No, because Toledo's a hundred, eight, nine years old.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think we're all ready with that one, go.
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh my god, come on!
[SPEAKER_01]: It's a game of some of the best.
[SPEAKER_01]: The places across from the Colosseum are fans.
[SPEAKER_01]: I have pictures where you because you they have the They have top restaurants or you across the way and I've got pictures of me You know on a rooftop with the Colosseum in the background and it looks a hundred percent photo shop
[SPEAKER_00]: The engineering is insane there.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's true that it's all through there.
[SPEAKER_00]: The part of town I'm from actually does have a Roman aqueduct in it.
[SPEAKER_00]: But you're talking about stuff that's just incredibly old.
[SPEAKER_00]: And the engineering that came out of this era spread throughout Europe because of obviously the Roman Empire.
[SPEAKER_00]: And this was a massive burst to the all of growth of all of Europe.
[SPEAKER_00]: And if you don't believe me, go ask the guy who played Robocop.
[SPEAKER_00]: because he literally has a PhD in this, but if Rome, and the thing about Rome too is that if ancient Rome isn't your thing, you can go to the Vatican, which don't forget was the most powerful seat of power in all of Europe for a thousand years.
[SPEAKER_00]: We're doing a cast on Warhammer 40k, we talk about the Emperor of mankind, each of us at the Vatican, you realize there's some references there.
[SPEAKER_00]: But if you do go though, one fun little note,
[SPEAKER_00]: You go to Vatican, New York tour inside the Vatican, one of the coolest parts in it.
[SPEAKER_00]: They've got a bunch of globes, and the globes started in the 1400s, and you can see as they kept discovering more and more of the Americas, how much they thought the Americas, how much space that the Americas actually were.
[SPEAKER_00]: At first, it's Cuba and Florida, and then it's a little bit more
[SPEAKER_00]: And the best part is you get to do all that while eating.
[SPEAKER_00]: You have gelato, you're cachio, carbonara, which I'm more into, Greek, shea, which is fine, but the magical Fiori Nizuka, Fiori Nizuka, it's freaking incredible.
[SPEAKER_00]: Calfiori is fine, nothing is a little bit too oily, but whatever.
[SPEAKER_00]: So, anyway, go to Rome, or go to Tuskegee, if I'm being completely honest, or Bologna.
[SPEAKER_00]: actually got to go really anywhere.
[SPEAKER_00]: You'll be fine.
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[SPEAKER_01]: by the time you guys read this, we will have already had our second 40K fight night from the discard warmer.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I got games and our second paying competition.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, we've got a lot of people the put out stuff.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, I'm going to some good stuff, too.
[SPEAKER_01]: I know.
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, all right, so let's get into
[SPEAKER_00]: a big Upsi region of the Dan.
[SPEAKER_00]: The ever call this a giant Upsi in the part of GW.
[SPEAKER_00]: All right.
[SPEAKER_00]: So what happens when you read the return of the king and get a super cool idea for a space marine chapter?
[SPEAKER_00]: Simple, you make the most OP thing in the galaxy.
[SPEAKER_00]: And then you have to deal with the entire player base demanding more and more about them while you desperately try to scrub them from everyone's memory.
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, sorry, it's just true.
[SPEAKER_00]: This chapter is basically part God.
[SPEAKER_00]: So.
[SPEAKER_00]: Lisa the dent, let's get into what they are because it's kind of, uh, the Lisa the damned are kind of in a star taste chapter.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I say kind of cause they wear power armor sort of a, not maybe chapter.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, they appeared and not even covered by anybody.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, cool.
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, that's not we don't know anything.
[SPEAKER_00]: They're just, they're, they look like it's space marine wearing black power armor with skull iconography that are encased in fire, that's psychic fire, that's a mems turns into all fire.
[SPEAKER_00]: us.
[SPEAKER_00]: They made Ghost Rider a space Maria.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's what I'm saying.
[SPEAKER_00]: This is going to be such a pain in the ass to do.
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, the lead.
[SPEAKER_00]: Don't try to space reigns.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, we should do that.
[SPEAKER_00]: No, we should not.
[SPEAKER_00]: I 100% Ghost Rider was not is not an economic book made worse by being by the movie.
[SPEAKER_01]: Look, just if you're going to ever shin on the work of the esteemed Oscar winning actor Nick Cage, I don't even know what you're talking about here.
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh god face off sucks.
[SPEAKER_01]: Anyway, he did win an Oscar.
[SPEAKER_01]: He really wins for what?
[SPEAKER_01]: Nick Cage won an Oscar for leaving Las Vegas.
[SPEAKER_01]: He was amazingly in Las Vegas, actually.
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh yeah, I'm terribly in Las Vegas.
[SPEAKER_01]: And he's been really get it a couple of movies, just blind nut in the world, huh?
[SPEAKER_00]: Anyway, all right, so let's get into these guys.
[SPEAKER_00]: The Legion of the Damned.
[SPEAKER_00]: They are, they appear from nowhere.
[SPEAKER_01]: They forgot, hold on.
[SPEAKER_01]: We didn't give it justice.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's not just encased in fire.
[SPEAKER_01]: It is magic fire.
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, I said that it's psychic fire.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's there's they are encased in a psychic fire.
[SPEAKER_00]: They are clad in an all black power armor of the flames.
[SPEAKER_00]: So they're kind of like a hot rod.
[SPEAKER_00]: But they're also on fire, which is really an actual hotrod if we're being honest, they're not that well.
[SPEAKER_00]: Both people's hotrods aren't that well made.
[SPEAKER_00]: Sorry, they've got skulls all over them, like the kneecaps, the belts.
[SPEAKER_00]: Some of them had them on the rib cages, painted where the equivalent would be.
[SPEAKER_00]: Don't do that, it makes them look weird.
[SPEAKER_00]: They don't look good, do not do that, it makes the armor look weird.
[SPEAKER_00]: But the scapling skull a lot of times too.
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't always love that.
[SPEAKER_00]: The best way to paint them is if you look at the cover of the 6th edition codex that they got, the only codex they ever got, that's the only version of it.
[SPEAKER_00]: Awesome.
[SPEAKER_01]: They also have the flames on the on the shin pads.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: No, I call them shin pads.
[SPEAKER_00]: I go back to my hot rod thing.
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, look, we both know what year you were born.
[SPEAKER_00]: I understand flames on cars is something that's kind of cool to you.
[SPEAKER_00]: Pretty awesome.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think it's not cool to me.
[SPEAKER_00]: So he top Camero with flames on it, you know?
[SPEAKER_00]: There would be something fun to someone doing a like white trash space marine army where like every vehicle has flames on it.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like where you're T top your rhinos.
[SPEAKER_00]: It would be fun.
[SPEAKER_00]: All right, but
[SPEAKER_00]: let's get serious, but not really.
[SPEAKER_00]: But the Legion of the Damned, with their known for is fighting with fury and power that's unseen throughout the galaxy.
[SPEAKER_00]: These guys fight harder and stronger than any space marine chapter, which then kind of create, this is where the problem for GW starts to come in, because the Legion of Damned are also corporeal, corporeal, corpile, in their form.
[SPEAKER_00]: corporeal corporeal.
[SPEAKER_00]: They exist and don't exist at the exact same time.
[SPEAKER_00]: Because they can do this very quickly.
[SPEAKER_00]: They are that an enemy will shoot them and it will shrug off what should be mortal wounds.
[SPEAKER_00]: They specifically call out firepower that would eliminate a terminator.
[SPEAKER_00]: These guys just shrug off.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like a various basement just shrubs off against nothing.
[SPEAKER_00]: In other times the plasma and last blasts go right through them.
[SPEAKER_01]: Which is why they used to have a
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, that's just stupid.
[SPEAKER_00]: Another one I love.
[SPEAKER_00]: There was a pack of five of them took a volcano cannon to the face and they just walked on through it.
[SPEAKER_00]: So yeah, that was in the codex.
[SPEAKER_00]: Not like a, oh, yeah, sorry, the code is.
[SPEAKER_00]: And then their attacks though are the opposite.
[SPEAKER_00]: They are not pretend.
[SPEAKER_00]: They hit harder than anything.
[SPEAKER_00]: And they've worse by the fact that their attacks are actually more powerful than they should be.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's referred to as they'd never been seen to reload.
[SPEAKER_00]: Their weapons actually, the bolts that they fire hit harder.
[SPEAKER_00]: They kind of start his orcs where like,
[SPEAKER_00]: uh they will they they show up they they effectively portal in all a time which is I think pretty cool let's go boy me is their weapons fire like orque weapons fire where it's like wow it looks like a baller and it just does the damage it should do all of their ordinance but what's crazy is there's no evidence of it so for example their bolters fire bolters but there's no shell caseings there's nothing left afterwards
[SPEAKER_00]: And they took a bribe to saying the appear and disappear from an incident.
[SPEAKER_00]: They don't arrive on spaceships, the or even through portals, they just appear.
[SPEAKER_00]: And then when they're gone, they're just not there.
[SPEAKER_00]: Which makes them really hard to know much about, as a lot of their history and facts about them are inferred.
[SPEAKER_00]: So, here we go.
[SPEAKER_00]: Let's give it a shot.
[SPEAKER_00]: So,
[SPEAKER_00]: The inquisition, the way GW's written them is sometimes when GW does something, they say, oh, there are a such and such of mystery, but we're going to spill a beans to you, but know that the people of the 40K universe don't know anything.
[SPEAKER_00]: Other times what they give to us, the reader, is what the people of the 40K times know.
[SPEAKER_00]: The leader of the damned are the latter.
[SPEAKER_00]: The leader of the damned, we know kind of what the inquisition knows.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's the most information we have, which is at best a piece together thing.
[SPEAKER_00]: the inquisition are fascinated by the Legion of the Damned because they're trying to figure out mainly their purpose but also how they can exist.
[SPEAKER_00]: The most important thing for the inquisition is the Legion of the Damned appear to be loyalist.
[SPEAKER_00]: because they always show up in fight in the side of the Imperium and they always show up in the situation when they show up a lot when things aren't there is no possible way we're winning today.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's when they show up.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, even if they don't show up, it is over the touchdown.
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, yeah, things are over when they show up, but it's even beyond that because they seem to have a level of force site in what they do because they show up at exactly
[SPEAKER_00]: four max on efficiency.
[SPEAKER_00]: The cool thing is we actually pull some stories because as you will know, I love Codex lore and they had a codex with great lore in it.
[SPEAKER_00]: So there was a the planet was, that's it.
[SPEAKER_01]: God, but download this guy's friend.
[SPEAKER_01]: Anybody that you're excited at all about this, this might be one of the top 10 codexes that just have great lore.
[SPEAKER_00]: So it's worth a
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, but they have, the Totex lore, which is why you live with so much, has some great stories.
[SPEAKER_01]: Totex has to have stories on each page, so.
[SPEAKER_00]: This one's really, really good.
[SPEAKER_00]: So you have the high fleet that you're in high fleet, Malak.
[SPEAKER_00]: Head it wasn't baiting the planet God, but.
[SPEAKER_00]: And God, though, was a weapons testing planet for the AdMEC.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's the tech priest there where, like, screw you guys, Bainblade time, and they took a bunch of Bainblades and shadow swords right into them.
[SPEAKER_00]: But this high fleet was massive and actually started gaining ground.
[SPEAKER_00]: It started overwhelming it.
[SPEAKER_00]: And the call went out to get reinforcements.
[SPEAKER_00]: But because of the way Warp Travel is, the reinforcements were at least at the same time.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yep.
[SPEAKER_01]: and they're getting overwhelmed.
[SPEAKER_01]: The unyielding swarm is pretty much from this 5thly, by the way.
[SPEAKER_01]: You're looking at the game right now.
[SPEAKER_00]: And what I might love about this story is like any good imperial guard, the imperial guard, they're made preparations to die and for the emperor and glory.
[SPEAKER_00]: They were, they got ready and they were going to open the hatch and they're going to be basically all got together and we're going to charge out
[SPEAKER_00]: bayonet first into the high fleet and we're going down like champions and as soon as they open to the hatch, there's just a bunch of all black space marines shredding the high fleet right in front of the the cooler part was there's just unending swarms of guns and they are getting past even with them putting down just a hail of boulder fire.
[SPEAKER_01]: these gods are just launching themselves at the legion of the dam and are just getting infoigo burtum just exploding into fire as they touch them.
[SPEAKER_00]: What happens is that the legion of the dam from a barrier began escorting these guardsmen from the
[SPEAKER_00]: section they were in to another area where there was a whole other chunk of these were doom hammers and they go over there they then get into the doom hammers and this lets them push out again back over the high fleet and the combo of leaves in the damp and doom hammers is enough that the high fleet then pulls out high fleet mole again is a bleeding and they save and it is slanted.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I love this because as soon as the actual danger is gone, they weren't even done fighting.
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, yeah, it's gone.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's true.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's really gone.
[SPEAKER_01]: It is not like after the fight they were gone.
[SPEAKER_01]: It was, hey, you guys are good.
[SPEAKER_01]: Cool.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: Exactly.
[SPEAKER_00]: It gets a 51% chance of victory.
[SPEAKER_00]: All right.
[SPEAKER_00]: We're out.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, see you later.
[SPEAKER_01]: The odds are perfect now.
[SPEAKER_01]: You're like, it's pretty grim fighting still.
[SPEAKER_01]: You got this.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm out another one I like a lot though is they have what appear to be Eldar far sear for sight.
[SPEAKER_00]: They know the people and events that will happen and they step into ensure positive outcomes.
[SPEAKER_00]: So there's an astral dock of Luna.
[SPEAKER_00]: The Legion appeared there to save a Salamander kill team.
[SPEAKER_00]: They were trapped there by a renegade chapter.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'll go to the Dragon Clan.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's a renegade inquisitor, cool story, different cast.
[SPEAKER_00]: We'll get into that.
[SPEAKER_00]: But this kill team was trapped in this airlock, basically.
[SPEAKER_00]: And we're going to die.
[SPEAKER_00]: Leader Damage shows up, saves them, kills the guys, disappears.
[SPEAKER_00]: That killed team, short while later, makes a key discovery that prevents a shuttle loaded with explosives, some crashing to the tearing archives, which would have devastated the debt that's under a stratum.
[SPEAKER_00]: In a bad way, by the way, I need to make it clear when we say devastated, that doesn't have been a stratum, not in a like, oh, it would have devastated them.
[SPEAKER_00]: And all the indentured servants would have been set free, a bad way.
[SPEAKER_01]: We're shutting everything down logistics.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and it's going to start.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, your food doesn't.
[SPEAKER_00]: Another one was this planet called Thar-Lon.
[SPEAKER_00]: And the planet Thar-Lon, the tech priest there named Vid Rillian.
[SPEAKER_00]: Vidrilyan is trying to escape.
[SPEAKER_00]: They show up in aid in the escape of this tech priest.
[SPEAKER_00]: Short while later, this tech priest is the person who unlocks a KSTC.
[SPEAKER_00]: This STC allows for a cure.
[SPEAKER_00]: for a virus attack by Fabius Bial.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's cracks me the hell up because you know how annoying it is.
[SPEAKER_01]: He's a villain, but it would be so annoying.
[SPEAKER_01]: Fabius Bial makes all of these plans work tirelessly to make this new virus.
[SPEAKER_01]: And this guy shows up and goes, it says if I push the button and negates that, he's like, this can't be real.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm fair.
[SPEAKER_01]: Come on.
[SPEAKER_00]: But yes, it's brilliant.
[SPEAKER_00]: only because the leisure Dan had shown up and saved him on Tharland.
[SPEAKER_00]: So they see this a lot with him.
[SPEAKER_01]: And at the time, he's, before this happens, he's a random person at the time.
[SPEAKER_01]: He gets say it.
[SPEAKER_01]: He's super nobody.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: But the inquisitions question always is, what is the purpose of the Legion?
[SPEAKER_00]: Because their ability to appear at wills know the future and operate with supernatural
[SPEAKER_00]: But the inquisition is always worried, are they loyal?
[SPEAKER_00]: Is this just a really elaborate, you know, traps?
[SPEAKER_01]: Are they loyal?
[SPEAKER_01]: But using, yeah, heresy.
[SPEAKER_01]: He's each his plans are often so convoluted.
[SPEAKER_01]: They, they escape, each and so.
[SPEAKER_00]: But the inquisition has devoted a lot of energy and focus flowing all they can about the leaves of the damned.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, but the problem is is that they don't know where they go.
[SPEAKER_01]: They don't know how they're traveling.
[SPEAKER_01]: They know it's some sort of work travel.
[SPEAKER_01]: They think it's some sort of work travel.
[SPEAKER_01]: They have to assume.
[SPEAKER_01]: But they show up really nearly where they want.
[SPEAKER_01]: And they also don't know where they go back to.
[SPEAKER_01]: So they can't predict where they're going.
[SPEAKER_01]: Because a lot of the things that they do make absolutely no sense.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, they show up.
[SPEAKER_01]: They have their own goals and plan apparently because they don't have a coordinated.
[SPEAKER_01]: This is leading to this.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's just this.
[SPEAKER_01]: It is.
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, and they're also almost impossible to study because they don't travel on ships.
[SPEAKER_00]: So you can't see them coming.
[SPEAKER_00]: they appear in an instant.
[SPEAKER_00]: So, okay, and you don't hang on in high five of everybody afterwards, except there's one, there is in the novel, there's one due to stick around a little bit afterwards, we get some knowledge in one novel.
[SPEAKER_00]: But if you want to study them, in effect, you have to be there when they show up.
[SPEAKER_00]: Means you have to be on one of the million plus imperial worlds, almost or almost infinite platforms, spaceships, hostile worlds, and all those places
[SPEAKER_00]: Then to make things worse, there's the Andesia thing, which is wild.
[SPEAKER_01]: If you're going to be lead you to the dam, you have to show up with a menin' black memory device, which I think is what they're flashing to everybody.
[SPEAKER_01]: This is actually really funny, because it's super cool, but it's also kind of sketchy, because people will start to forget about the event of the Legion of the Dam showing up.
[SPEAKER_01]: but they'll have horrific nightmares of them.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it's kind of funny.
[SPEAKER_00]: So what happens is within minutes of the Legion of the and believing you begin forgetting their press.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's depending on your strength.
[SPEAKER_00]: The space marine seemed to be able to remember them for a bit longer.
[SPEAKER_00]: Obviously, because they're a star days.
[SPEAKER_00]: But what's funny they talk about is that people like the regular humans who see them get pretty badly messed up because they will forget the Legion Dan was there But they'll have one of many side effects the most common one are nightmares But some of them have a permanent smell or taste of burning
[SPEAKER_01]: burning, yeah, forever.
[SPEAKER_00]: And a lot of people actually ended up being suicide because of the dreams in this permanent sense of burning, which it shows that it's probably some world pulls it out of.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, also think about it.
[SPEAKER_01]: They cause so much craziness to people around them that they corrupt me my eyes, they don't corrupt them.
[SPEAKER_01]: They don't kind of they do.
[SPEAKER_01]: Machine sprites.
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't think there's corrupt machines, but they seem to scare them as how I read it.
[SPEAKER_00]: So what happens is a lot of times, cameras will just turn off when they show up.
[SPEAKER_00]: But in the rare occasion, the cameras are live.
[SPEAKER_00]: The machine spirit kind of disappears into itself and has to be coaxed back out.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's talked that only the best tech priest can actually basically get the machine spirit to come out of its shell.
[SPEAKER_00]: is that the machine spirits are running and hiding from this entity.
[SPEAKER_00]: So it's kind of like, oh, so long story short leads to the dam kind of messed up.
[SPEAKER_00]: Now, it's pretty safe to say the inquisition have accepted that the Legion of Damned are not chaos.
[SPEAKER_01]: They, yeah, but you know, who was also not chaos?
[SPEAKER_01]: Horace.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, Horace was the war master.
[SPEAKER_01]: He was the guy in charge of the loyalist Imperium.
[SPEAKER_00]: Exactly.
[SPEAKER_01]: And, hey, yes, I know these guys are doing good right now, but if they ever decided to do new bad,
[SPEAKER_01]: They are me of guys that can show up anywhere in the galaxy with absolutely no detection and leave before we could do anything about it is still pretty terrifying, dude.
[SPEAKER_00]: Because that's the biggest fear.
[SPEAKER_00]: Is the...
[SPEAKER_00]: what if they turn?
[SPEAKER_00]: Because the level at which they can go is insane.
[SPEAKER_00]: 999 m41, the phalanx.
[SPEAKER_00]: So the super started, the start destroyer.
[SPEAKER_00]: The death star of the imperial states, death star seems
[SPEAKER_01]: more.
[SPEAKER_00]: The pair of this death star is orbiting terror when a warp rift bursts open in the lower decks and warp Smith shone two emerges with a bunch of demons and such a leaking havoc.
[SPEAKER_00]: The imperial fist rushed down there to deal with it.
[SPEAKER_00]: And as they rushed there, Sean II pulls off what he was really trying to do, and Bellacore comes striding out of the war for a good thing.
[SPEAKER_00]: Not ideal, less than ideal.
[SPEAKER_00]: And now that Bellacore is there, things are real bad.
[SPEAKER_00]: Realizing that the Philanx is about to fall the chaos, the imperialists, because they actually are kind of bad asses.
[SPEAKER_00]: Just hit.
[SPEAKER_00]: the go away button and translate the thing right into the warp, which means, yeah, there's Geller fields, but Geller fields on the outside and Bellacore on the inside is not really ideal.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: So the entirety of this ship now is this is the end.
[SPEAKER_00]: We're going to lose.
[SPEAKER_00]: We've got Bellacore's
[SPEAKER_00]: the legion of the damned arrive on the inside too and they watch as the legion of the damned start burning up demons and leaking havoc through the demons and as the legion of the damned fight and fight the imperial fist are able to you know re-center themselves charge in and just start beating the crap out of everything and guess you still has the
[SPEAKER_01]: It is funny because they were setting people that are on fire on fire.
[SPEAKER_00]: It is a thing.
[SPEAKER_00]: We'll talk more about that later for some issues.
[SPEAKER_00]: Things.
[SPEAKER_00]: Another one is because they actually save a lot of legions, including perfect legions, even because only a perfect legion admits to their imperfections.
[SPEAKER_01]: And so it's the only part that sucks about us recording not in the same place anymore is I can immediately throw something at you or
[SPEAKER_00]: Like, when you're a perfect Legion, you understand that sometimes, even you can need help.
[SPEAKER_00]: And so it's nice.
[SPEAKER_00]: So, and again, in 1922 of M41, the greatest of the librarians, which you even can't argue with, uh, taking his awesome experience, but I say, uh,
[SPEAKER_00]: Tiggy was working to save the tech priests of Andraxus.
[SPEAKER_00]: Andraxus housed an ancient artifact of quite a lot of significance, namely that it's a four staff that belonged in Malkador.
[SPEAKER_01]: Say, it was Malkador's four staff.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, this was kind of important.
[SPEAKER_00]: And Andraxus is under assault by Orcs, lots of Orcs.
[SPEAKER_00]: And Tiggy and the Ultramarines unfortunately pulled a bread.
[SPEAKER_01]: In which I don't know how I feel about you being.
[SPEAKER_00]: They did.
[SPEAKER_00]: They grossly underestimated the valuing awesomeness of the Daccajette.
[SPEAKER_00]: That is a story.
[SPEAKER_00]: That is the actual story.
[SPEAKER_00]: I got arguing that.
[SPEAKER_00]: I feel like we need to go off to the top where it says, pulled a breath.
[SPEAKER_00]: They did pull a breath.
[SPEAKER_00]: They underestimated the value of a Daccajette.
[SPEAKER_00]: and a glass bomb blasted yet, and a burner bomber, and a blitz of bomber, and it's a six edition for so also the China quistula around back then.
[SPEAKER_01]: Warcraft.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: Effectively, yeah, so the orcs had air superiority, and this was too much for the ultramarines.
[SPEAKER_00]: So taking in his ultramarines, rushed to the bastion where the staff was, and they secured the staff, but were completely surrounded by orcs.
[SPEAKER_00]: But before the orgs could set up on them, the Legion appeared and just slaughtered the orgs.
[SPEAKER_00]: As the Legion just wrecked the orgs, taking the mechanic and made their escape.
[SPEAKER_00]: A fun story, though, taking Average in the staff back.
[SPEAKER_00]: He went there with the mechanic and guess who has the staff?
[SPEAKER_00]: The perfect Legion.
[SPEAKER_01]: They did roll out and go, hey, remember the time we had to think that artifact?
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: We'll still have it see you later.
[SPEAKER_00]: Exactly.
[SPEAKER_00]: If you have a question about it, I'll be in the Craig's.
[SPEAKER_01]: But you know what I'm putting in this cast, the chin up workout to story, what it makes 30 seconds.
[SPEAKER_01]: So Alan comes in to Toledo to play in a tournament under a fake name.
[SPEAKER_01]: He basically, he did want me to know he was coming.
[SPEAKER_01]: He chose up running only like he worked out this week.
[SPEAKER_01]: We play it a fight or we play it a fight or this is the best we play it a fight game tournament both of us go ahead to feed it Both of us unfortunately the last game were both on two different tables Allen of course maxes because he goes yellow swagans wins the turn of it.
[SPEAKER_01]: He by the way came in specifically to make me not win the turn of it doesn't have to play me leaves They legends the war copters the next day the trucks
[SPEAKER_00]: That thing was awesome.
[SPEAKER_00]: By the way, those copters were, they were sending you the so OP.
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh my god, but if you put the master card me on it, do you?
[SPEAKER_01]: Beating bread or something, they got legends priceless.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I mean, that copter when you put flavors inside of it was horrifying.
[SPEAKER_01]: It didn't sustain on its regular shots, they do.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, those are good days, but the days of your will be right back after a quick break.
[SPEAKER_00]: Now, where GW, when we talk about them writing the Legion Danbis OP, I have a really good example of this, and that's a Ther Souius.
[SPEAKER_01]: So Ther Souius, I mean, where Dark Eldar sent every name to character in the Codex, got it.
[SPEAKER_00]: So the Cabal of the Black Heart had a plan to target a planet for a raid, and they sent Lowef to take part in it.
[SPEAKER_00]: And this is because the entire raid
[SPEAKER_00]: because he knew that their soulless was close to a black templar fleet that was rearming.
[SPEAKER_00]: And in that fleet, Hellbrookt was in that fleet.
[SPEAKER_00]: And that wanted to kidnap the Hellbrookt for his arena to fight in the arena.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: So he sent in Lelloth armed with a special poison blade to stab Hellbrookt to incapacitate him to bring him back to Commira.
[SPEAKER_00]: And in Vex, hold on, let's go back on that
[SPEAKER_00]: But you know, I don't know why, you know, it hasn't.
[SPEAKER_01]: I was literally coaching this morning from somebody from the Lord cast discord, and we started off with poison.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: So it is, I have even got through the morning talking about space repoison, also burn.
[SPEAKER_01]: You know what, I'm just going to go to the, get my cheek together, my woo saw.
[SPEAKER_01]: Vex plan is going perfect.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: And everything is going great.
[SPEAKER_01]: The slaves are being captured, people are being stabbed.
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: This is great.
[SPEAKER_00]: A plus, a plus made.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Helbrecht shows up with Black Templars and Lilacos.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, look, right on time.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm going to do some stabby stabby poison stuff and take this guy back.
[SPEAKER_01]: And what should happen?
[SPEAKER_01]: Did happen with the poison, though.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, she poisons Helbrecht.
[SPEAKER_00]: And as Helbrecht falls to unconsciousness, he sees a foot with flames on it right next to him.
[SPEAKER_00]: And yeah, the legion that damned beat the ever-living piss out of Lilleth, and she has to recover it.
[SPEAKER_00]: So the legion of the damned are the best hand-to-hand combat army
[SPEAKER_00]: in the galaxy.
[SPEAKER_01]: Hold on, to the legion of the dams, put somebody else kicking would be on fire.
[SPEAKER_01]: They have the best food somebody else kicking.
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, actually, that wouldn't be on, well, they're on fire.
[SPEAKER_00]: They would have flames on them.
[SPEAKER_00]: Couldn't not for me.
[SPEAKER_01]: Good enough, they're making some trouble.
[SPEAKER_01]: Double your enhancement bonus.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I haven't played.
[SPEAKER_00]: So no, like no, like no.
[SPEAKER_00]: This is my, well, I talk about, I know people don't have to help me deal with
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, if is maybe the best melee fighter in the galaxy, and they're like, oh, yeah, ladies and gentlemen, just beat the crap out of her.
[SPEAKER_01]: Wait, by the way, they're also known for their shooting.
[SPEAKER_01]: They're either known for their hand-a-hand.
[SPEAKER_01]: He's not the damn didn't punch anybody.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: And any of the stories until right then.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: But let's talk about what the inquisition thinks it might know about the least of the, it's kind of one of those things.
[SPEAKER_00]: They think they might know something.
[SPEAKER_00]: So what do they know?
[SPEAKER_00]: They know that they're beings of the
[SPEAKER_00]: And the way that they operate leads very little the imagination about them being beings of the work.
[SPEAKER_00]: They appear all around the galaxy at an instant, which is it's technically possible that there are standard chapter that's using a web way or a dominant gate or neck run phase shifting, but it's not really possible because the way they appear inside the failang, means a web way or a dominant gate unlikely.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, they clearly have some sort of psychic ability
[SPEAKER_01]: bit read the psychic wins because they have wild pre-cod too, so I have to be using more power somehow.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, but let's get on the fun part, because now we can mention Eisenhorn.
[SPEAKER_00]: One of the key inquisitors, very careful here, because I do not want to spoil anything.
[SPEAKER_00]: One of the key inquisitors who investigated the leisurely damned is Quixoss.
[SPEAKER_00]: Quicksaw's had been compiling quite the research tone on the lesion, even though we got a lot of stuff for being honest, a lot of stuff.
[SPEAKER_00]: So really, as in our novels, a lot a lot of stuff.
[SPEAKER_00]: He's awesome.
[SPEAKER_00]: But Quicksaw's noticed a pattern.
[SPEAKER_00]: And the pattern is that the appearance of the lesion of the damned is that they always appear where the barrier between the material and the immaterial is thinnest.
[SPEAKER_00]: Which sounds really super scientific until you remember how the warp operates, the thing that feeds off emotion.
[SPEAKER_00]: So any time people are dying or fighting, the warp gets fed.
[SPEAKER_00]: So wouldn't that always thin the barrier?
[SPEAKER_00]: So, you're in the, in other words, duh.
[SPEAKER_00]: So, anyway, but Quicksaw's postulated that the Legion were some sort of warp beings and that it was actually the Emperor's will
[SPEAKER_00]: And this racks with some of their history, because the Legion didn't start appearing to M40.
[SPEAKER_00]: By M40, the Imperian is full, unadulated worship of the M4.
[SPEAKER_00]: I was just about to say this.
[SPEAKER_01]: In the last millennia in the stories, the emperor has powered up pretty crazy.
[SPEAKER_00]: Plus, we had the psychor wood ship or that the dentist telepathic is running at this point.
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, thousand psychos and days of a deal.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, so this psychic force being thrown around in the emperor's name is incredible, so why couldn't it manifest?
[SPEAKER_00]: And this belief is held by most everyone about the Legion, that they're an army of vengeance and flame created by the will of humanity, and it's using supernatural powers.
[SPEAKER_00]: Although I do wonder, what happens if they showed up in the same place the green lights were like, do they shut them down?
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, what are the green lights to do about it?
[SPEAKER_00]: It's just kind of one of those like, you know what, guys?
[SPEAKER_00]: Like, if Drake goes there, right?
[SPEAKER_00]: Is he like, you know what?
[SPEAKER_00]: Let's let him cook.
[SPEAKER_01]: Let's see what this happens here.
[SPEAKER_00]: You think I had a line with you or something.
[SPEAKER_00]: But I say we let the Legion do it Legion does.
[SPEAKER_00]: Just give me a minute.
[SPEAKER_00]: Let's give me a minute.
[SPEAKER_00]: Till the question.
[SPEAKER_00]: But this leads us to the three main theories of where the legion comes from.
[SPEAKER_00]: One of them is the most accepted, but there are three of them, and I would give them all to you guys, and we'll get into it.
[SPEAKER_00]: The first theory is that the legion have no origin.
[SPEAKER_00]: They are simply a creation of the warp by the will of the emperor and his light.
[SPEAKER_00]: The idea in this is that the warp is the inverse of the material.
[SPEAKER_00]: So as the legions of these star days have grown in thought and the material, they've created an echo in the immaterial.
[SPEAKER_00]: And eventually this psychic or work presence of their power and strength has manifested, a shadow version of these star days.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's not an evil spot or evil, Michael Knight.
[SPEAKER_00]: which I still do think someone, by the way, should make their own chaos space marine chapter, just making imperial fist or ultramarine, whatever chapter.
[SPEAKER_00]: No one can ever help it, but everyone has to have everybody has to wear a go-to.
[SPEAKER_00]: Everyone has to have a go-to.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's the evil twin of like whatever army you want to have.
[SPEAKER_00]: It will be all.
[SPEAKER_01]: Go-to in a ponytail.
[SPEAKER_00]: It would be hilarious to anyone over the age of 40, just calling it out.
[SPEAKER_00]: But the idea is that this legion of the damned
[SPEAKER_00]: are just demons, demons in service to the emperor.
[SPEAKER_00]: So of course, there are manifest themselves to appear as the emperor's warriors.
[SPEAKER_00]: This explains a lot.
[SPEAKER_00]: This theory works because it explains why they're weafed in psychic fire, why their fire can burn demons because, hey guys, by the way, just no ever thought about this, why do flameers work on bloodletters?
[SPEAKER_00]: Bloodletters come from a region of fire and you're shooting them with a flameer.
[SPEAKER_00]: Should do, you know, nothing.
[SPEAKER_00]: dice or dice and rules are rules, the same way poison worked on backgrounds.
[SPEAKER_00]: Uh, this also explains how they can appear from nowhere because the thin veil from them during the immatarian boom, they pop in and the counts for some of the stories of how sometimes in the Legion of the Dand are fighting, if a fighting gets so intense, they would actually stop appearing to be space marines, they would turn into pillars of fire and fight.
[SPEAKER_00]: So that's kind of cool.
[SPEAKER_01]: Which is pretty freaking awesome, by the way.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: And now, that's stories though.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's got some challenges with some of the other information we have out there.
[SPEAKER_00]: So it's a cool idea and it's quite possible to true.
[SPEAKER_00]: The second one is a bit more common and it's the one that all admit I like more.
[SPEAKER_00]: And this one is probably, this is what I,
[SPEAKER_01]: This is the one I talked about this before the cast.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I this is the one I think most of us like the most it may be the third one We're gonna get to is the one that's maybe the most factual We'll get into it, but this I love the I love D and D Revenant so much that I'd love this day.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's fair
[SPEAKER_00]: So this next one is that they are a collection of a star days who basically they're love of the emperor and they're hate other enemies.
[SPEAKER_00]: They just wouldn't accept death.
[SPEAKER_00]: So if you play the God of War games, Kratos, that's what this is.
[SPEAKER_01]: Great, great, great as Rocks.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: And then you're like, what are your powers?
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm super mad.
[SPEAKER_01]: I can get by that.
[SPEAKER_00]: So, it's believed in this one that the Legion of Damned are actually headed by Ferris Manus, who, along with the members of the 10th Legion netist von, were so angered that betrayal that they just refused to die.
[SPEAKER_00]: The views of their souls died, and their souls have been sitting in the in material for almost 10,000.
[SPEAKER_01]: Wondering about, yeah, I hope basically wandering, hoping for vengeance, but so angry they wouldn't leave.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and then as the Emperor and the Imperium gained power, that power found a home in these established souls.
[SPEAKER_00]: And the souls became a conduit, and eventually thanks the will of the Emperor, they can now manifest in reality.
[SPEAKER_00]: But they're not alone.
[SPEAKER_00]: Other legionnaires have died as saying, wait, fueled by this unquenchable hate for the enemies of the Imperium, and they just joined the ranks of the Imperium.
[SPEAKER_00]: And you'd be able to smite pallidin' of vengeance.
[SPEAKER_00]: And it kind of work because we get in the novel, which is actually called these are the damned.
[SPEAKER_00]: We meet the only talking member of this.
[SPEAKER_00]: And curious.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, Atticus and curious, which by the way translates to 100 Athens.
[SPEAKER_00]: Why?
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know.
[SPEAKER_00]: Because he's 100 times Athens, duh.
[SPEAKER_00]: There's times where there are use of Latin confuses me.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's like, I don't get this.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like, it's like,
[SPEAKER_00]: Why, just to why, centurious always means whatever.
[SPEAKER_00]: By the way, in the novel, centurious is able to both who resurrect fallen Legionnaires, but more importantly, recruit dead Legionnaires, and if you guys thought I wasn't going to make this about the Ultramarines.
[SPEAKER_01]: Suck it, we're back, more Ultramarines, yay!
[SPEAKER_00]: Octavius, Captain of the greatest of the first companies.
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, probably the greatest of the first companies.
[SPEAKER_00]: The ultramarine's first company.
[SPEAKER_00]: He died at some point defending ultramar from one of its many aggressors.
[SPEAKER_01]: It wish we were video right now so people could see how badly I rolled my eyes during that.
[SPEAKER_00]: Don't give yourself a migraine.
[SPEAKER_00]: So Octavius dies, his death is entered in the animals, the ultramarines, but his grave is now actually empty.
[SPEAKER_00]: Coincidentally, the Ultramarines have on a few occasions found themselves better fitting from the support of the Legion of the Dant, being saved the very last second by a key interruption by the Legion.
[SPEAKER_00]: But it's been noted by a few observers that one of the captains in the ranks of the Legion has a wholly relic of Ultramar, hanging from his armor, a relic that was buried
[SPEAKER_00]: So, I really prefer this story.
[SPEAKER_00]: I love this idea that the leaves of the damn is made up of a starry, so just refuse to let death be the end of their story.
[SPEAKER_00]: But there's just basically too much ass to kick in the galaxy for one lifetime.
[SPEAKER_00]: And, you know, by the way, if you don't think that GW's can do as a tightest, you're out of your mind.
[SPEAKER_00]: type of GW size the kill Titus.
[SPEAKER_00]: Don't be the size number cities coming back.
[SPEAKER_00]: That would be the sign that the Legion that Dan during the game.
[SPEAKER_00]: And they'll be like, oh, yeah, Titus died.
[SPEAKER_00]: Why did Titus die?
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, Legion that Dan, we're getting a codex.
[SPEAKER_00]: And look, Titus is the new chapter, Master.
[SPEAKER_00]: But.
[SPEAKER_00]: Let's get to the last and what is probably the most plausible of the origin stories.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's the most possible.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think this is, this is generally considered to be it.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm heavy aircoating it though.
[SPEAKER_01]: This is the cannon.
[SPEAKER_01]: I like the second more.
[SPEAKER_01]: We all do.
[SPEAKER_01]: Because it just marines that were fused and without getting vengeance on people that did wrong to them.
[SPEAKER_00]: is just so badass.
[SPEAKER_01]: Now the story, don't get me wrong.
[SPEAKER_01]: Firehawks is cool, but it's just not endless vengeance not letting you know what I haven't referred to over a long time.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's not a lot of moss levels of anger and vengeance.
[SPEAKER_01]: Also, that's Steven Erickson, Malaysian book of the fall.
[SPEAKER_01]: Book it to me.
[SPEAKER_00]: Not fair enough.
[SPEAKER_00]: The fire Hawks, this is what's considered maybe the most accepted origin story of the damned, and this is by the Imperium and the Inquisition, but not by GW.
[SPEAKER_00]: So when I say this, GW has written this story, so I'm going to mention that GW has written the story of the fire Hawks into the sixth edition codex.
[SPEAKER_00]: But in it, they claim it as a possible origin story.
[SPEAKER_00]: So despite this having a lot of details is not meant to be the correct one, it's just an option.
[SPEAKER_00]: So just everyone understands that.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's a really key thing like they did that.
[SPEAKER_00]: So we don't have to accept this as canon.
[SPEAKER_00]: Now,
[SPEAKER_00]: Firehawks, they were founded in M36 as part of the 21st founding, the first founding.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's the lamest of the foundings.
[SPEAKER_00]: We get black dragons with useless arm blades.
[SPEAKER_00]: We both know their useless bread.
[SPEAKER_00]: We have the lamenters who were the sad chapter.
[SPEAKER_00]: The blood, the blood, the blood, the blood, the blood, yeah, the blood organs who went trade because they were sharing organs with each other, weird, just weird, the flame falcons who were exterminated by the great nights because they were Johnny Storm, the original guitars who were berserkers, and the sons of Anteus who were wolvery, all right, that's the breakdown.
[SPEAKER_00]: firehawks who claimed that the of ultramarine origin were also founded fund out the ultramarines are not willing to acknowledge that they are of it until we go and mory that you've got to say no you are the five yeah until we go on mory you're not nope i'm not claiming anything here
[SPEAKER_00]: The best way to describe the fire hawks is there are fun combination of black Templars, sisters of battle and minitars, in that they feel about the people who don't rely with the Emperor's vision of the galaxy, pretty strongly.
[SPEAKER_00]: Pretty strongly.
[SPEAKER_01]: Um, they've got some views.
[SPEAKER_01]: You would say that maybe they're concrete views.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and they're In the flexible is where I'm getting it.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and their viewpoint of collateral damage is very much so Ivan Drogo.
[SPEAKER_00]: If they die, they die.
[SPEAKER_00]: They're known for, they're weird to in the way that they fight.
[SPEAKER_00]: They're very quick to fight, but only for themselves.
[SPEAKER_00]: They have a very weird twist that everyone hated them, by the way, like everyone hated them.
[SPEAKER_00]: Because they would just refuse to take part in actions that they didn't see as benefiting themselves.
[SPEAKER_00]: So if someone says, also if they were going to suffer casualties, there's a, yeah, I'm not doing that.
[SPEAKER_01]: They kind of cherry-taked a lot of their fights to you.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it's weird, they wouldn't cherry-picked the fights.
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, if someone says, hey, can you help us out over here?
[SPEAKER_00]: They're just like, no, but you're a spaceman chapter.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, no.
[SPEAKER_00]: But then they would go and they would take on hard core fights that were of their own purpose.
[SPEAKER_00]: They shouldn't care about other people's purposes.
[SPEAKER_00]: This is how I kind of looked at it.
[SPEAKER_01]: Ah, getting that.
[SPEAKER_01]: When shit went down, they did get...
[SPEAKER_00]: That's the thing, because they also have a history of start and crap.
[SPEAKER_00]: So Goge Van Dieu, key one, Goge Van Dieu rises the power that's will wreck in the galaxy.
[SPEAKER_00]: Almost every space marine league can just go as, whatever, I'm staying out of this.
[SPEAKER_00]: The fire hawks, not only got involved, but they led.
[SPEAKER_00]: They backed Sebastian Thor and aided him personally on his crusade.
[SPEAKER_00]: And for that action, Goge Van Dier, exterminate us their home planet, which sounds really bad, but they lost a bunch of home planets.
[SPEAKER_00]: They're like Kevin McAllister's parents, we're leaving him behind.
[SPEAKER_00]: They get left to all over the planet.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, that's right.
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, they are kind of responsible for the Badaeb war as well as they are responsible for the Badaeb war.
[SPEAKER_00]: They started the Badaeb war.
[SPEAKER_01]: The negotiation factor of jabbing the guy in the face while he's talking to you didn't really go well.
[SPEAKER_00]: They're the ones who opened fire on the mat.
[SPEAKER_00]: They had to throw you in the mantis warriors.
[SPEAKER_00]: They started the Badab War.
[SPEAKER_01]: By the way, if you go back to that,
[SPEAKER_01]: They were mid-talking when they opened fire and that's the whole thing.
[SPEAKER_00]: The firehooks are their testy.
[SPEAKER_00]: The thing about them, too, though, is that they are, though, incredibly loyal.
[SPEAKER_00]: They worship, as M36, by the way.
[SPEAKER_00]: So we are not M41, M36.
[SPEAKER_00]: They worship the emperor like as a god.
[SPEAKER_00]: They were the first space marine chapter to be full-blown imperial cult.
[SPEAKER_01]: They'll also stab you if you question the Emperor's divinity.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, they were the word bears from M36 to M41 in effect because they would spread the Emperor's divinity and they would smite anyone who did to greet with the Emperor's divinity.
[SPEAKER_00]: And like the Minitars, they would fight with a lot of collateral damage, a really important piece.
[SPEAKER_00]: They would exterminate us in higher planets because whatever
[SPEAKER_00]: And...
[SPEAKER_00]: Another fun story, they didn't get a long well with the rest of the Imperian.
[SPEAKER_00]: The other astarties didn't like them because they kept moving them high and dry.
[SPEAKER_00]: The Imperian Navy and Imperial Guard also hated them because they did the same crap to them, leaving them high and dry, or just blowing half of them up because they were too close to the enemy.
[SPEAKER_00]: They would just extend them out as a plant.
[SPEAKER_00]: The Imperial Guard were fighting on.
[SPEAKER_00]: The Guard is a little bit easier, fire is bomb.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's just how they operate.
[SPEAKER_00]: So then, 1963 of M41, the fire hawk disappeared.
[SPEAKER_00]: And they disappeared in a kind of interesting way.
[SPEAKER_00]: Dark Eldar pirates are being dicks in the Crow's world sub-sector.
[SPEAKER_00]: As a result, the firehawks are sent out there.
[SPEAKER_00]: Now, key thing about this, when they support and Sebastian Thor, and they lost their home world, Sebastian Thor hooked them up, and he gave them what's called the rap tourist wrecks.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'll say, hook them up and it's like a really chill term for the fact that he gave them a smaller death star.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's a solid version of things.
[SPEAKER_01]: It didn't give him free chicken on Thursdays.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's a hookup, man.
[SPEAKER_01]: A powerful Death Star, super station, is slightly better than a hookup.
[SPEAKER_00]: Do you laugh about this a lot?
[SPEAKER_00]: So maybe can we sleep based chapter with a Death Star that they moved around with?
[SPEAKER_00]: fun thing about this, that so jucari are out there, a crow's world sub-sacchar just raiding stuff.
[SPEAKER_00]: One really good way to shut the jucari down.
[SPEAKER_00]: Are they fast?
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, they have cool guns.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, they are effectively unarmored.
[SPEAKER_00]: So a Death Star gun for fortresses showing up.
[SPEAKER_00]: shots and down pretty quick.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, big hair in a bikini is the only way to go in a comment.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, so the fire hawks chapter was sent out there for was supposed to be a three-hour tour.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'll come on.
[SPEAKER_00]: Really?
[SPEAKER_00]: Three hours.
[SPEAKER_00]: Thank you.
[SPEAKER_00]: Come on.
[SPEAKER_00]: Thought help me out here.
[SPEAKER_00]: Was the warp storm getting rough?
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it actually went.
[SPEAKER_00]: The tiny ship got tossed, luckily, the noble crew, the evaporatorous wreck wasn't lost.
[SPEAKER_00]: I've heard that theme song in a long dad's attempt was a lot by memory now.
[SPEAKER_00]: But the raptorous wreck, he was exposed to be a 12 hour journey.
[SPEAKER_00]: 20 years later, they were officially declared lost in the war.
[SPEAKER_00]: Now, he was the entirety of the chapter was sent out there.
[SPEAKER_00]: It was rumored though that the assassin norm had something to do with this for the record, because they were really not liked by the appearing.
[SPEAKER_00]: There is a rumor there.
[SPEAKER_00]: What happens though is that there's some real weird hints to the firehawks and the
[SPEAKER_00]: The first appearance of the Legion of Damned is 985 of M41, in the Jekyll-Tall sector, fighting the Orcs.
[SPEAKER_00]: random sector out there to while this happened they keep having these fights against the works while they're out there and unidentified craft is discovered and inside are two coffins and inside it they examine the coffins and in that they find that there's members of the fire hawks were in these coffins.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's the first time we've seen a fire hawk ever.
[SPEAKER_00]: So it shows that fire hawks had returned but no one has heard from the fire hawks.
[SPEAKER_00]: So that's kind of weird.
[SPEAKER_00]: later, and this is going to drive me nuts, and I'm sorry, fighting against the orcs, the legion leaves behind one of their batters.
[SPEAKER_00]: And on it is inscribed, Dedicato, Empedatato, Ultre, Arta, Arta, Artacolo, Murtus.
[SPEAKER_00]: according to GW, that says for the answer, for the emperor being the point of death.
[SPEAKER_01]: By the way, I love this because before I show in the notes, I put this in, and Google, and I'm like, he's gonna be angry.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, cause I could tell him me if I look at, where's the verb going?
[SPEAKER_00]: You're the Catholic school, but I'd wear this verb going Latin.
[SPEAKER_00]: goes to the end, goes at the end.
[SPEAKER_00]: This is full blown Monti Python, by the way.
[SPEAKER_00]: This is a thousand percent Monti Python.
[SPEAKER_00]: In Data Cato, in Peritata, the Arthur or Ticcum mortises an order in the dedicated, in the dedicated beyond the article of death.
[SPEAKER_00]: The closing of the upper and beyond the point of death.
[SPEAKER_00]: No, it's not.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's pro-imperatautum.
[SPEAKER_00]: I know.
[SPEAKER_00]: All bit of Morton.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's not hard.
[SPEAKER_00]: Pro-imperatautort is for the Emperor.
[SPEAKER_00]: Pro, simple, impperatautort, Emperor, and then if you want beyond death, ultra-morton.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's not even, this isn't even hard Latin, this is easy Latin.
[SPEAKER_00]: We're not doing like Romans go home.
[SPEAKER_00]: That gets a little bit hard because it's a command.
[SPEAKER_00]: Anyway, so it's probably more tar, ultra mortal.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, pro imparator, pro imparator, pro imparator, ultra mortal.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's not Latin's hard.
[SPEAKER_00]: Actually, I'm kidding.
[SPEAKER_00]: Latin's incredibly hard.
[SPEAKER_00]: Latin is a nightmare language.
[SPEAKER_00]: They're genuinely well, it's not Mandarin, but it's a nightmare language.
[SPEAKER_00]: Because they have to conjugate every word.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's what makes it hard.
[SPEAKER_00]: And you throw your verb to the end.
[SPEAKER_00]: So you don't know what the sentence is till you hear the full sentence, which is kind of annoying.
[SPEAKER_00]: So you didn't get Latin in school?
[SPEAKER_00]: Can we do that?
[SPEAKER_01]: That's a, that's a, that's a, that's a, that's a, that's a, that's a, that's a, that's a, that's a, that's a, that's a, that's a, that's a, that's a, that's a, that's a, that's a, that's a, that's a, that's a, that's a, that's a, that's a, that's a, that's a, that's a, that's a, that's a, that's a, that's a, that's a, that's a, that's a, that's a, that's a, that's a, that's a, that's a, that's a, that's a, that's a, that's a, that's a, that's a, that's a, that's a, that's a, that's a, that's a, that's a, that's a, that's a, that's a, that's
[SPEAKER_00]: But let's get back to it.
[SPEAKER_00]: So later on, the Legion appears at a giant space station resembling the Raptor is Rex and Rex aka Sarmata, like John Wick style.
[SPEAKER_00]: The story is pretty funny.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's a whole chaos.
[SPEAKER_00]: Sarmata bearing down on it and periodically.
[SPEAKER_00]: And this one, I mean, it was a death star shows up.
[SPEAKER_00]: And it just starts bouncing around the entire armata blowing each and every ship up, like it had invincibility code on it.
[SPEAKER_00]: That was great.
[SPEAKER_00]: and these stories make it seem like the fire raptors are the legion of the damned.
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't like this thing in the case.
[SPEAKER_01]: I agree with you, whatever is reading the notes and I looked at stuff.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's why we had talked before about talking about the fire hawks origin in the beginning and then talking about the out.
[SPEAKER_01]: the alternatives, but I think that the fire harks are just members of the least of the dam.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think the Legion of the dam isn't any one chapter in this is Brad theory.
[SPEAKER_01]: 100% Brad there's not yet.
[SPEAKER_01]: But like I think that the Legion of the Dam
[SPEAKER_01]: is a bunch of these guys, but I think it's a ton of different chapters, members of different chapters, because you have to have a level of hatred and anger with a dedication to the emperor, and those these are hard to come about.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I mean, you have a lot of things that go together to form somebody being inside the leach of the dead.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, they're taking from everyone.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's what works me better is like, hey, just there were some firehawks.
[SPEAKER_00]: And there's a, the fireworks to be fair are incredible zealots.
[SPEAKER_00]: So if anyone's gonna be like, yeah, I'm not done fighting for the emperor.
[SPEAKER_00]: It makes sense.
[SPEAKER_00]: It was there, but it also makes sense.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's a lot of black Templars in there.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_01]: I just, it just says, that's kind of where I'm going on that.
[SPEAKER_01]: Do you think that probably a lot of the lost firehawks became legion to the dam?
[SPEAKER_01]: I just don't think it's only that.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, that's just, and again, that is a straight rant there, you know, because when you look them up and you look at the Legion of the Damel at a time as you talked with the firehawks, and this is what the Legion of the Damel is, but I think the Legion of the Damel is just more.
[SPEAKER_00]: Now, I need to call out, there's, there was a canon conflict here, and I'm gonna call it out real quick to get it out of the way, because I hate dealing with this crap, white dwarf 99, which was released in
[SPEAKER_00]: In it, they detail.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, so in high school.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, they detail the Legion of the Damned pretty heavily as the firewaters.
[SPEAKER_00]: They were claimed by the work, all warp entities, descended upon them.
[SPEAKER_00]: All but one ship is destroyed.
[SPEAKER_00]: That ship makes an emergency translation back in the material.
[SPEAKER_00]: And upon arriving back in the material in your studies,
[SPEAKER_00]: permanently changed by the events of the warp.
[SPEAKER_00]: They're all dying of gruesome death.
[SPEAKER_00]: It sounds like a miracle plague, and they decide death isn't going to take them, and they strip their armor bare, and they cover it with skulls and bones on the cool stuff.
[SPEAKER_00]: Their story sucks.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's so old that I tend to ignore any lore from before 1990.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, but it's also conflicts heavily with the Legion of the damn codeics that came up.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it makes it sound like these are just a ridder space marine chapter that's kind of going around.
[SPEAKER_00]: It doesn't account for them in being in case and flames.
[SPEAKER_00]: It doesn't account for any other.
[SPEAKER_01]: Transplating in and out of the world.
[SPEAKER_00]: Exactly.
[SPEAKER_00]: So I, this is an era where this wasn't even more hammer 40k.
[SPEAKER_00]: This is rogue trader.
[SPEAKER_00]: So if you look up, please don't understand.
[SPEAKER_00]: And you're going to like the canon, you will see this story.
[SPEAKER_00]: But just be listening to the reason that we are ignoring this story from a lower standpoint.
[SPEAKER_00]: Is it so old that GW treats a lot of stuff from this early era as low you've read that?
[SPEAKER_00]: He's been like, you know, that's kind of bad.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm not gonna say.
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, that's that cannon, but then you're kind of hoping you hadn't read that because you know Attention to the man behind the curtain.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it's just it's very old and if you could not, it's like a musician who's like, oh my early work.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah
[SPEAKER_00]: When I was a pop star, yeah, I'm going to go ahead and never play that song ever again because it's So that's one of those things.
[SPEAKER_00]: So that's why we're not going to really cover that it does exist And but with that That's the idea of the end, I think pretty coverage of them good enough stuff next week though We're diving back in the chaos we're bears
[SPEAKER_00]: I've been promising for a while that we're going to cover the end of death series, which is pretty in death, mostly because just the first book.
[SPEAKER_01]: Pretty cool.
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, the first book alone, let's be talk about Uranus nonstop.
[SPEAKER_00]: It is it is.
[SPEAKER_00]: That was just what I say.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yeah, we're going to do an entire cast on destroying Uranus who cast.
[SPEAKER_00]: We're going to have two casts about constantly encircling, destroying and fighting Uranus.
[SPEAKER_00]: But fight inside and around your race.
[SPEAKER_00]: Inside all of it's been a lot of time on Uranus.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's going to be highly enjoyable for me, but we can't do that to we cover some more chapters.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's the way it's going to be.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's just too funny to ignore.
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, word bears, iron warriors and Luna Wolves, obviously we're going to have to do.
[SPEAKER_00]: So we're going to start with those who started all.
[SPEAKER_00]: We're going to do them all back to back, but the first one I do when you're out of the way is the word bears.
[SPEAKER_00]: So be fun.
[SPEAKER_00]: Hopefully, Brad won't die.
[SPEAKER_00]: And yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: So until next week, John Barsotti, Brad Jester.
[SPEAKER_00]: Disguise.
[SPEAKER_00]: See you guys then.
[UNKNOWN]: Thank you.