[SPEAKER_00]: This is Jocobod gas number 543 with echo Charles and me, Jocoblin.
[SPEAKER_00]: Good evening, echo.
[SPEAKER_00]: Good evening.
[SPEAKER_00]: The U.S. Army's competitive advantage directly relates to its capacity to learn faster and adapt more quickly than its adversaries.
[SPEAKER_00]: The current pace of technological change increases the Army's challenge to maintain the edge over potential adversaries.
[SPEAKER_00]: In the highly competitive global learning environment, where technology provides all players to
[SPEAKER_00]: Nearly ubiquitous access to information, the Army cannot risk failure through complacency, lack of imagination, or resistance to change.
[SPEAKER_00]: Outpacing adversaries is essential to maintain the Army's global status and to fulfill its responsibilities to the nation.
[SPEAKER_00]: And that's what there is a.
[SPEAKER_00]: A little quote from U.S. Army Traderok, 525-TAC-8-2 U.S. Army Learning Concept 2015, and it's an interesting thing to think about, because we all need to be learning all the time.
[SPEAKER_00]: And if you don't keep that front of mind, it's really easy to not learn anything and not progress.
[SPEAKER_00]: Whether it's leadership, whether it's your professional career, whatever your professional career is, whether it's working with a new piece of gear, whether it's due to whether it's fighting, whether it's tactics, whether it's music or art or software, that's for you.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, hell yeah, right communication how you communicate language like what's your vocabulary?
[SPEAKER_00]: We should be Hopefully learning all the time and it's very easy takes effort to learn.
[SPEAKER_00]: So it's really easy to get them cruise control But the fact of the matter is in all these different Spectrums we have to outpace our adversaries, right?
[SPEAKER_00]: in jujitsu, in fighting, in software, like if you want to be productive, you've got to outpace your adversaries.
[SPEAKER_00]: So, interesting document.
[SPEAKER_00]: It had some interesting statements and I just want to talk about some of the things that are in there.
[SPEAKER_00]: Here's some assumptions that they make.
[SPEAKER_00]: The army will operate in an area of uncertainty and persistent conflict against a full spectrum of possible threats.
[SPEAKER_00]: This is what we call life.
[SPEAKER_00]: Right, you don't know what's going to happen tomorrow.
[SPEAKER_00]: There's going to be persistent conflict.
[SPEAKER_00]: And there's a full spectrum of threats.
[SPEAKER_00]: What do you call that an open game versus a closed game?
[SPEAKER_00]: What do you call those two things?
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, if unkind and kind games, right?
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, right, kind of like environment or something like that.
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, kind environment versus unkind?
[SPEAKER_00]: Is that the thing?
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I forgot.
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, I was just talking about this.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, I forgot.
[SPEAKER_00]: But I think it's kind of okay.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, so some things are constrained in some way.
[SPEAKER_00]: There's some kind of rules in place.
[SPEAKER_00]: There's some kind of finite
[SPEAKER_00]: provisions that you have to operate within, and then there's things that are totally unconstrained.
[SPEAKER_00]: So you've got to think about what kind of environment you're playing in.
[SPEAKER_00]: And by the way, there's spectrum there too, right?
[SPEAKER_00]: Because like checkers pretty limited, just seems pretty unlimited, because there's billions of moves you can make, but it is still.
[SPEAKER_00]: There's a finite number.
[SPEAKER_00]: And then you get to combat.
[SPEAKER_00]: total war.
[SPEAKER_00]: There's all the sudden how what is the person going to do to you.
[SPEAKER_00]: There's no sure there's rules of engagement.
[SPEAKER_00]: There's laws of armed conflict.
[SPEAKER_00]: But there's also like we can think outside and get creative around those things even.
[SPEAKER_00]: So thinking about the uncertainty of the future and the persistent conflict that we're in, you better, you better be learning.
[SPEAKER_00]: Next one, the army will continue to confront unexpected challenges from an adaptive enemy and must respond rapidly in the development of doctrine, training and education.
[SPEAKER_00]: So as your competitors change which they will and they bring new things
[SPEAKER_00]: train and move people forward.
[SPEAKER_00]: This is also life, because things aren't going to go as planned.
[SPEAKER_00]: Next, the Army must prevail in the competitive learning environment.
[SPEAKER_00]: Now, if you start thinking about it, you have an organization, your organization has to, we say adapt.
[SPEAKER_00]: We say adapt and overcome.
[SPEAKER_00]: We say this all the time.
[SPEAKER_00]: What is adapt?
[SPEAKER_00]: What is adaptation?
[SPEAKER_00]: Essentially, what is this learning?
[SPEAKER_00]: You have to learn.
[SPEAKER_00]: And not only you have to learn, like what the enemy is doing, what the competition is doing,
[SPEAKER_00]: what your rival on the mats of justice is doing, you got to learn what they're doing, and then you have to learn how to counter it, and then by the way, in an organization, you have to teach and have everyone else on the team learn what you're doing to make adjustments.
[SPEAKER_00]: So that's what we have to do.
[SPEAKER_00]: Next, the army's learning model must be clear in intended outcomes
[SPEAKER_00]: It's a good idea, right?
[SPEAKER_00]: I get it, I do think that you have to keep an open mind.
[SPEAKER_00]: and be flexible.
[SPEAKER_00]: Because you don't know, it's very, in fact, it might be the most critical thing, because let's face it.
[SPEAKER_00]: When you are trying to do something to counter someone and you're doing what they expect, it doesn't, it's not going to be effective.
[SPEAKER_00]: You have to do things that they don't expect.
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, how are you going to do things that they don't expect if you have a closed mind and
[SPEAKER_00]: to really win.
[SPEAKER_00]: We want to do things that they have no expectation of.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's the goal.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's you can see this in sports.
[SPEAKER_00]: Sometimes someone will bring something to sports that has not been used before.
[SPEAKER_00]: Low calf kick.
[SPEAKER_00]: Right?
[SPEAKER_00]: This is something that we got.
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, we got to see, I guess MMA and Jiu Jitsu are very good examples of this.
[SPEAKER_00]: Number one, because they are very close to unkind, right?
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean basketball.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I mean, if you watch the evolution of basketball, certainly, there people are doing new moves, but not as radically new as what we've seen in Jiu Jitsu and MMA over the past 30 years.
[SPEAKER_00]: You have to keep an open mind that you're going to you're going to try and do things that maybe they don't expect at all.
[SPEAKER_00]: The less rules there are in the game that you're playing the more opportunity you have to do that.
[SPEAKER_00]: So that's why business and war is very.
[SPEAKER_00]: Those are probably the most open environments that you're going to have the chance to
[SPEAKER_00]: make adjustments and be flexible.
[SPEAKER_00]: So that's why I say if someone's talking about hey you got to be clearly intended outcome, you know the intended outcome when, because if it is, oh the intended outcome is to do this move right here to counter their move, okay?
[SPEAKER_00]: They're used to being in that situation.
[SPEAKER_00]: What if you can completely bypass that?
[SPEAKER_00]: As Dean Lister, you say, you go A, B, C, and then D. That's the move.
[SPEAKER_00]: Here's the counter.
[SPEAKER_00]: Here's the set up, and then you actually to move.
[SPEAKER_00]: But ideally, you just go A to D. Or maybe you go A, C, D.
[SPEAKER_00]: You can skip moves, or maybe you just go ADC, B, back to D. So that's what we're trying to do.
[SPEAKER_00]: Next one, learning is best achieved at the point of need.
[SPEAKER_00]: And therefore, it must be accessible in career long continuum rather than limited to specific time frames or locations.
[SPEAKER_00]: When I hear this, learning is best achieved at the point of need.
[SPEAKER_00]: You know what that makes me think of?
[SPEAKER_00]: I used to say in the teams, we don't care about anything
[SPEAKER_00]: And this is true, so true for so many humans.
[SPEAKER_00]: We have an idea that this could be a problem or that could be a problem, but no one really cares about it until they get hit with it.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like, oh, yeah, at some point I'm going to, I'm going to put an emergency kit in my car just in case something goes wrong when I'm driving through the mountains.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm going to do that someday.
[SPEAKER_00]: They know it's a good idea, it's a good idea.
[SPEAKER_00]: But then they don't do it.
[SPEAKER_00]: I guess what?
[SPEAKER_00]: When a snowstorm hits and they get stuck in their freezing snow and they don't have anything to survive with, it's a problem and they're going dang it and then they go home and immediately if they make it, if they survive, they're like, where's what we're going to do?
[SPEAKER_00]: We used to run in that and then the seal teams all the time.
[SPEAKER_00]: There'd be something like, we all know this is a problem.
[SPEAKER_00]: No one cares, no one cares, no one cares, no one cares.
[SPEAKER_00]: There's an incident, also, never one cares when we saw the problem.
[SPEAKER_00]: So you have to be careful that you don't do that.
[SPEAKER_00]: You don't, my recommendation is you don't wait till you're at the point of need to make adjustments in your world.
[SPEAKER_00]: You know that there are things that require.
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, it's a had an interesting conversation.
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, they have specific people to do the maintenance of an aircraft, other jet aircraft.
[SPEAKER_00]: So Dave Burke, good deal to you.
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, he's worried about flying the plane.
[SPEAKER_00]: He's got, and he does inspections.
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, the pilot does the cursory walk around.
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, they're out there kicking the tires.
[SPEAKER_00]: You know what I'm saying?
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: He's not in the systems, right?
[SPEAKER_00]: But guess what?
[SPEAKER_00]: There's a guy that is there as assignment is to make sure that that ejection seat is ready to eject and it's functional, it's maintained.
[SPEAKER_00]: If that fell on, you know, the pilot who's got all these other things to worry about, yes, critical as it is.
[SPEAKER_00]: He wouldn't be as focused as that individual that's making it happen.
[SPEAKER_00]: So, man, did you see those two airplanes collide?
[SPEAKER_00]: Those two F-18s collide?
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and they ejected all four people and all four people survived.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's insane to watch.
[SPEAKER_00]: But I bet that maintenance guy.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's what we're saying.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: Same thing with like fire detectors.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: You know what I'm saying?
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, how often do you chat, how often you rotate in those batteries I just posted?
[SPEAKER_00]: It's not till that your neighbor's house burned down, you're like, yeah, I'm gonna get in there.
[SPEAKER_00]: At least that's a way of a lot of people operate.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I feel like sometimes, I don't know, my mind kinda habitually goes to like, hey, but isn't that kind of a more effective way of learning a lesson, the hard way?
[SPEAKER_00]: It's definitely a more effective way of learning a lesson as long as there isn't some catastrophic price to pay for learning a lesson.
[SPEAKER_01]: right and and even put even more simply once like yeah if you have to learn it that way but if you don't have to but like you don't want to learn like hey you should wear your seatbelt yeah the hard way you know well i posted the other day he who suffers remembers yeah for murk right we're all out there doing murk right he who suffers remembers it's like yes that is true that is a term that i heard
[SPEAKER_00]: In Buds because they would be making us suffer because we did something wrong.
[SPEAKER_00]: So it's your point Oh somebody didn't bring whatever piece of gear or about to do you know eight million freaking eight Count body builders at two o'clock in the morning.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, do you think we ever forgot that piece of gear again?
[SPEAKER_00]: Nope
[SPEAKER_00]: So he who suffers remembers you're right, but if it's a catastrophic situation, you know, you don't want to have some Buddy in your in your business do something that's going to get you sued and now all of a sudden it's a catastrophic situation Because you're like, oh, I bet they're learning their lesson cool.
[SPEAKER_00]: We're bankrupt So good point echo however.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, when you don't have to learn it the hard way.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's not learning.
[SPEAKER_01]: I got it.
[SPEAKER_01]: Let's not learn it the hard way
[SPEAKER_00]: Next, Army learners must have the opportunity to contribute to the body of knowledge throughout their careers.
[SPEAKER_00]: Good.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's a very good idea that people recognize when you're when you're in an organization you are not only going to have to receive and learn But it's good to know that you should be teaching to and you will be teaching.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's a good thing to recognize because then you start paying attention to how you learn and What was helpful to you?
[SPEAKER_00]: Next, soldering requires a foundation of comprehensive fitness, army values, the warrior ethos, and professional competence.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yep.
[SPEAKER_00]: And what I would say about that is, we become what we learn.
[SPEAKER_00]: I would say, is that 100% accurate?
[SPEAKER_00]: No, but I shouldn't say we become, we are highly influenced by what we learned.
[SPEAKER_00]: You've heard me say that you get a lot of your DNA in the seal teams from your first platoon because what you learned in that first tune, it leaves the biggest impression because you're learning the most.
[SPEAKER_00]: So, what you learn is kind of who you become.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like when I got to this year, all teams, I went to see what team one, otherwise known as Stollug team one, and it was all like the professionalism and haircuts and stuff like that.
[SPEAKER_00]: And that's kind of how I maintained.
[SPEAKER_00]: I maintained that course.
[SPEAKER_00]: You get that DNA early.
[SPEAKER_00]: So you are highly influenced by what you learn.
[SPEAKER_00]: So that's an important thing to keep in mind.
[SPEAKER_00]: Not only as a person that is learning, what are you learning from?
[SPEAKER_00]: Because are you learning from reals?
[SPEAKER_00]: You know what I'm saying?
[SPEAKER_00]: Are you being influenced by reals?
[SPEAKER_00]: Are you being taught by social media?
[SPEAKER_00]: Because if you're getting taught trash, what are you gonna become?
[SPEAKER_00]: You're at a minimum, you're gonna be influenced in that direction.
[SPEAKER_00]: It isn't an interesting to think that you technically, when you're doom scrolling,
[SPEAKER_00]: You are learning something, you are being influenced by that thing.
[SPEAKER_00]: So, important to try and maintain some level of control of what you are allowing yourself to be taught.
[SPEAKER_00]: Next, fundamental competencies must be reinforced by maximizing time on the task.
[SPEAKER_00]: Cool.
[SPEAKER_00]: Always fundamentals, fundamentals, fundamentals.
[SPEAKER_00]: I, in the SEAL teams, I changed the, we say basics.
[SPEAKER_00]: I wouldn't go through the basics today.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I changed that terminology to fundamentals.
[SPEAKER_00]: Because everyone here's basics, they all, this is no big deal.
[SPEAKER_00]: This is an important.
[SPEAKER_00]: Fundamentals is actually the most important thing.
[SPEAKER_00]: And there are there are skills that you have leadership skills and operational skills that you have that are truly fundamental.
[SPEAKER_00]: If you don't have them, you're doomed.
[SPEAKER_00]: But when people hear, oh, this is just, you know, just the basics.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's like, no, no, no, no, we're not doing just the basics.
[SPEAKER_00]: We're actually learning the fundamentals.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it's more like the foundational cover move.
[SPEAKER_00]: Do we call cover move basic?
[SPEAKER_00]: No, call it fundamental.
[SPEAKER_00]: Cause if you're not, everything that you do is cover move.
[SPEAKER_00]: In the teams, in the military, let's cover and move, cover and move, cover and move.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's what it is.
[SPEAKER_00]: One person is covering the other person is moving.
[SPEAKER_00]: You have to learn that.
[SPEAKER_00]: That is a fundamental skill.
[SPEAKER_00]: To learn how to do that.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's not just a basic skill.
[SPEAKER_00]: Is it basic?
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it's basic.
[SPEAKER_00]: Is it fundamental?
[SPEAKER_00]: Absolutely.
[SPEAKER_00]: Next, continually evolving complex operational dilemmas overextended time in culturally diverse joint interagency, intergovernmental, and multi-national operational environments will continue to challenge leaders.
[SPEAKER_00]: Again, this is such a military terminology here.
[SPEAKER_00]: Complex operational dilemmas, so these are like different types of missions.
[SPEAKER_00]: Extended over time, they're long.
[SPEAKER_00]: culturally diverse.
[SPEAKER_00]: They're in different countries with different humans.
[SPEAKER_00]: They're joined.
[SPEAKER_00]: That means we're working with Army Navy Air Force Marine Corps, working together.
[SPEAKER_00]: Interagency, that means you've got other government agencies, maybe you've got the State Department, maybe you've got the CIA, you've got other people working with you.
[SPEAKER_00]: Intergovernmental, so now we got their government, too.
[SPEAKER_00]: So now you're working with the government of another country, multi-national.
[SPEAKER_00]: So now we have different
[SPEAKER_00]: There's a lot of different players involved.
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, guess what?
[SPEAKER_00]: This is what life is.
[SPEAKER_00]: This is what businesses.
[SPEAKER_00]: You got your neighbors.
[SPEAKER_00]: They have a different culture than you.
[SPEAKER_00]: they have different goals than you.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, your business, you got different scenarios going on.
[SPEAKER_00]: You got to work with different regulatory environments.
[SPEAKER_00]: This so.
[SPEAKER_01]: This is kind of interesting to me because as a non-military person and non-law enforcement person, we'll say, you know, call you a civilian.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, a civilian, but you know, it's like, oh, I'll watch movie sometimes.
[SPEAKER_01]: And it'll be like,
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know.
[SPEAKER_01]: The local cops, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: And they're investigating some crime.
[SPEAKER_01]: And then they'll run into like state.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, exactly right.
[SPEAKER_01]: The feds come in and they're gonna, you know, even to remember, you know, movie was on the other day, die hard.
[SPEAKER_01]: Remember die hard.
[SPEAKER_01]: The OG.
[SPEAKER_01]: First it has the one beat cop there, kind of handling business.
[SPEAKER_01]: And then some superior, you know, superior comes that dude,
[SPEAKER_01]: And then the FBI come, you know, and then they're like contending with each other.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I remember what I was young I was like, but aren't they all to me?
[SPEAKER_01]: They're all cops.
[SPEAKER_01]: They all should just be like adding to the team But for some reason they have different agendas in their jurisdiction.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, you know, like all this stuff.
[SPEAKER_00]: Rainbow has that too, right?
[SPEAKER_00]: Just yeah, because it's like the local cops.
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh And they first blood first blood.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I'm sorry first blood.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, you know, and then they have like these points of contentious like probably that doesn't make sense to me because you guys are all cops or whatever, but no different cops have different like responsibilities and goals within their, I don't know, department or whatever their level or whatever.
[SPEAKER_01]: And this is essentially a more complex version of that same thing seems same.
[SPEAKER_01]: So it's like okay our government has all these different like Different groups in it that have different goals in it with this one big situation So yeah, sometimes you can step on each other's so's a little bit and you know a point of contention But from the outside we I don't that's not intuitive to me to me.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's kind of like oh, that's the USA Yeah, you are saying we're gonna roll in and they're all just pointing the same exact direction and we're gonna go in We're gonna you know, but it just not like that
[SPEAKER_00]: You know what was weird when I got in the military is I just thought kind of in line with what you're saying I thought the military just kind of did what it wanted.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, meaning like Have you ever thought about when you go on a trip in the military?
[SPEAKER_00]: Let's say you're driving out to the desert training facility that you got to get gasoline for the vehicles What was that gasoline come from?
[SPEAKER_00]: Have you thought about that?
[SPEAKER_00]: Me, no like you have to use a certain
[SPEAKER_00]: card, it's like a credit card, but it's a more like a debit card that you use to pay for the gas.
[SPEAKER_00]: Now it's coming from the fund that is your team, but you're paying for this gas and you're going to get charged for it.
[SPEAKER_00]: So why?
[SPEAKER_00]: Because your team has a certain amount of budget.
[SPEAKER_00]: So when you're using this card to pay for things, just like your ammunition, the batteries for your
[SPEAKER_01]: provide.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yeah, that's all.
[SPEAKER_01]: That does.
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, you asked me that for some reason I feel like we've you've brought that up before, but
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it feels like that.
[SPEAKER_01]: When I played football at University of Point, it's everything's provided, everything.
[SPEAKER_01]: All your clothes, all your equipment, your socks, shoes, like everything.
[SPEAKER_01]: You just go to the little window and you get it.
[SPEAKER_01]: So you're saying, I am under that impression.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, like you get here's the keys to your home V, maybe you sign for it.
[SPEAKER_01]: There's already gas in it, so you're saying, like the gas is magically disappears.
[SPEAKER_00]: And there is like an element of that when you get your gear issue, right?
[SPEAKER_00]: You don't give them a card for that.
[SPEAKER_00]: But if you lose a piece of gear, you might not have to pay for it.
[SPEAKER_00]: So Jack, next time, manpower and resources available for learning will continue to be limited isn't that just the way it is.
[SPEAKER_00]: Everybody needs more time and more money to train.
[SPEAKER_00]: and we don't have enough.
[SPEAKER_00]: And by the way, the army trains over half a million people a year.
[SPEAKER_00]: So getting back to the dock here, current learning is typically instructor led times to predetermined course lengths and not synchronized to meet individual learner needs.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's something to think about.
[SPEAKER_00]: People are going to learn at different places.
[SPEAKER_00]: And you just get that, hey, this is how long the course of instruction is.
[SPEAKER_00]: This is how long I'm going to teach you for it.
[SPEAKER_00]: current instruction is based on individual task conditions and standards which work well and when the army had a well-defined mission and a well-defined enemy.
[SPEAKER_00]: Similarly, critical thinking is frequently a core subjective instruction of, sorry, while critical thinking is frequently a core subjective instruction primarily delivers only concepts and knowledge, passive, lecture-based instruction does not engage learners or capitalize on prior experience.
[SPEAKER_00]: Learner assessments are frequently routine, open book tests, that lack rigor and fail to measure actual learning levels.
[SPEAKER_00]: So, this whole thing here, right, first of all, how are we teaching?
[SPEAKER_00]: Because, by the way, when you teach something,
[SPEAKER_00]: You have to use multiple elements, teacher.
[SPEAKER_00]: You can tell people what's going to happen.
[SPEAKER_00]: There's your audio.
[SPEAKER_00]: Maybe you gave them a pamphlet to read about it.
[SPEAKER_00]: There's visually showing them how to do something.
[SPEAKER_00]: And then there's physically having them do the thing.
[SPEAKER_00]: Whatever that thing is.
[SPEAKER_00]: So it's like you listen or you absorb information or you're presented information.
[SPEAKER_00]: and then you watch people do the thing and then you have to do the thing yourself.
[SPEAKER_00]: So whether it's doing mag changes on a weapon, like someone will, you will initially get taught.
[SPEAKER_00]: Because it seems like, you know, when you do a mag change echo Charles, on your desert or do you go 50 calc.
[SPEAKER_00]: Sure.
[SPEAKER_00]: When you do that, you do it.
[SPEAKER_00]: I haven't watched you do it, but I bet that it's not, how do you learn how to do a mag change?
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, I took a course with our boy, Brian, sergeant.
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, well then you didn't know that, tactic.
[SPEAKER_00]: If sergeant didn't tell you how to change a mag, you'd kind of just be fumbling through it, right?
[SPEAKER_00]: So you have to learn how to do it.
[SPEAKER_00]: And sergeant taught you how to do it.
[SPEAKER_00]: Doing a kick flip on a skateboard.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like you have to learn how to do it.
[SPEAKER_00]: Then you have to try it.
[SPEAKER_00]: If there's a new vocabulary word, you can, by the way, if you learn a new vocabulary word,
[SPEAKER_00]: And you just memorize the meaning of the word that's different than actually putting in it using it as a sentence and reading it in multiple senses and understanding the context each one of those room Clarences doing a room Clarence did search ctunia room Clarences C-C-B Oh whatever, C-C-B now called C-C-C-C. No, but that's a thing you got to watch you got to learn and then you got to do it on our mock Guitar court different guitar courts.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah
[SPEAKER_00]: Somebody asked to show you what it is.
[SPEAKER_00]: Prioritize next to you.
[SPEAKER_00]: This is something to skill that we teach at Slam Front.
[SPEAKER_00]: You've got to learn how to do it.
[SPEAKER_00]: You hear the concept.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's funny when you do the FTX.
[SPEAKER_00]: When people do the FTX at Slam Front.
[SPEAKER_00]: Dude, people that show up to the FTX, they can recite exactly like what the laws of combat are, convolutional, prioritization, so decentralized, they'll be able to talk through them very well.
[SPEAKER_00]: And then you see them trying to do them.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's very, very different.
[SPEAKER_00]: Because you have to actually do these things.
[SPEAKER_00]: Same thing with decentralized command.
[SPEAKER_00]: People can talk about it, but a lot of times they can't do it.
[SPEAKER_00]: So it's very important to keep that in mind.
[SPEAKER_00]: And then you have to keep in mind as a teacher that people learn differently.
[SPEAKER_00]: So I might be able to talk you through
[SPEAKER_00]: a mag change, and you might be able to do it within, you know, 10 tries you can get pretty smooth at it.
[SPEAKER_00]: Someone else, I talk them through it, and I have to talk them through other details of it, that I didn't have to tell you kind of like figure it out.
[SPEAKER_00]: So everyone's going to learn a little bit differently.
[SPEAKER_00]: And you know, I talk about this example with, um, um,
[SPEAKER_00]: because due to a certainly a learning sport probably one of the highest levels of the amount of things to learn because it's such an unkind game with so many variables.
[SPEAKER_00]: not just the variables of the move, which is the variable of you as a human, the human that you're going against.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like there's, it's just very infinite.
[SPEAKER_00]: But to make a Gigiitsu move work, let's say.
[SPEAKER_00]: Let's say, for instance, I don't know if I'm gonna use percentages, but let's say there's 10 things that you have to do to make a move work.
[SPEAKER_00]: An instructor can show you maybe three of those things, four of those things, maybe five of the things, the physical movements they can talk you through they can show it to you.
[SPEAKER_00]: And then even still the first time you do it, it's not going to, I just learned a move today from kind it.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's something that I had never done before, it's like a guard retention, uh, guard retention move.
[SPEAKER_00]: It was a move straight up and doing it when he's when some watching me do it, I was like, oh, that's, I'm literally thinking, oh, that's dope.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I fully understood it mentally.
[SPEAKER_00]: When we started doing it, it was like I might as well have been a white belt, you know what I'm saying?
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm like, oh, I'm a white belt.
[SPEAKER_00]: And yeah, so I had to do it.
[SPEAKER_00]: I had to do the physical move.
[SPEAKER_00]: A bunch of times to even start and I still do you guys.
[SPEAKER_00]: I need I need to do another Probably need to do another 100 times.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, of Static drilling will say right where it's just like hey, this is just the motion I have to go through So three to five things you can kind of get from an instructor telling you what the move is Maybe 0.5 or 1.5 you get from doing the movement physically
[SPEAKER_00]: And then there's a cup because I remember I said you got to do 10 things to make move work.
[SPEAKER_00]: There's a couple of these things you have to do now.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's not really static drilling.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's like I have to you have to actively participate in some kind of a will call it a a constrained in like CLA and ecological training.
[SPEAKER_00]: They call it a constrained environment.
[SPEAKER_00]: Meaning like okay Echo in order for me to get this guard recovery movement going.
[SPEAKER_00]: here's what you need to do to me do this to me if you get to this point we're going to start again if i get to this point we're going to start again and by the way you can't do this thing or that thing like for instance oh i'm working on guard retention you're not allowed to just fall back on a footlock right okay that's a constraint that i put on you
[SPEAKER_00]: and you're not allowed to let's say smash pass because this isn't a guard retention for smash pass.
[SPEAKER_00]: So I give you some constraints, but you're allowed to move within the box that I built for you.
[SPEAKER_00]: So I gotta do that a little bit.
[SPEAKER_00]: I can figure out a one or two more elements of the move by doing that.
[SPEAKER_00]: And then I have to do a live because guess what, in real life you can fall back on a footlock, in real life you can go to a smash pass and said, so there's one of the last one or two things that I have to learn.
[SPEAKER_00]: There's no way to learn it unless we're doing it fully unrestrained.
[SPEAKER_00]: So, that's what we kind of have to do to get somebody to learn.
[SPEAKER_00]: You want to hear a funny story?
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_00]: I will tell you.
[SPEAKER_00]: So, I was recently doing a movie.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yeah, hell yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I'm doing this movie and I have one line.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: I have one line.
[SPEAKER_00]: And but.
[SPEAKER_00]: In the scene, I'm in the scene for probably a few minutes, but all I'm doing is listening.
[SPEAKER_00]: And in fact, I'm listening in kind of giving no response.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm kind of just being me in real life.
[SPEAKER_00]: But the other character is like yapping.
[SPEAKER_00]: Boba Boba Boba saying all kinds of funny stuff, I had to keep it professional because she's being hilarious.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I'm trying to keep it professional.
[SPEAKER_00]: And so speaking of being professional,
[SPEAKER_00]: having made the way of the warrior kid.
[SPEAKER_00]: I know that you want to, you don't want to waste everybody's time.
[SPEAKER_00]: And when you mess up your line, or you mess up, yeah, you mess up your line, like everyone tries to be cool because they don't want to add pressure, but everyone's pissed.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: So I know that going in.
[SPEAKER_00]: So I'm like, okay, I'm going to do my best.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I had one mind, bro.
[SPEAKER_00]: So I memorized it, but I memorized it in my head.
[SPEAKER_00]: Keep this in mind.
[SPEAKER_00]: I memorized it in my head.
[SPEAKER_00]: So, it takes a long time to film, and we're there, we do all the different camera set-ups, and the other actor, she's happened, and she's doing her lines, and she's in-prop-in-funny, awesome, and I don't have to say anything, and it keeps going, it keeps going, it takes like three, four.
[SPEAKER_00]: five hours.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I haven't said a word yet.
[SPEAKER_00]: All I'm doing is my expression, which is expressionless, by the way.
[SPEAKER_00]: Try not to crack up because she's hilarious.
[SPEAKER_00]: So finally, then we turned the cameras around and now it's the closing of the scene and it's time for my line, which I memorized.
[SPEAKER_00]: And so we get to that point.
[SPEAKER_00]: She delivers the line that like, uh, what is it?
[SPEAKER_00]: Cues means I would just call the cue.
[SPEAKER_00]: Sure.
[SPEAKER_00]: The setup.
[SPEAKER_00]: She gives me the setup.
[SPEAKER_00]: And it's my turn after five hours everyone's looking at me this my time
[SPEAKER_00]: And I memorized that line, but I hadn't physically spoken the word yet.
[SPEAKER_00]: And when it came time for me to say the line, I was like, it took me a second.
[SPEAKER_00]: I got it out.
[SPEAKER_00]: I had to go team guy mode.
[SPEAKER_00]: I just had to muscle through it.
[SPEAKER_00]: I had to muscle through it.
[SPEAKER_00]: But I hadn't physically rehearsed it.
[SPEAKER_00]: And when you don't physically rehearse it, you're there's something that you're missing.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I hadn't said the words.
[SPEAKER_00]: So I'm muscle through it.
[SPEAKER_00]: And then we cut and I said it like I said it out while like to myself whispering it like 19 times in the next in the next three minutes.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'll just like by the moment I said it because I didn't want to get choked up.
[SPEAKER_00]: I choked up.
[SPEAKER_00]: I choked it and get choked up.
[SPEAKER_00]: I choked.
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, this is very similar and you've heard this story about when I started playing basketball.
[SPEAKER_00]: I started playing basketball.
[SPEAKER_00]: My dad, I told my dad I wanted to play basketball.
[SPEAKER_00]: And my dad's like old school Hoosiers.
[SPEAKER_00]: You ever seen a movie Hoosiers?
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, bro.
[SPEAKER_00]: But as 100% Hoosiers, like, okay, oh, you know flashy, you're going to be defense, you're going to learn ball handling, you're going to learn to pass, you know, you, you wouldn't worry about scoring scoring, like, where, you know, so he got me going in that mode.
[SPEAKER_00]: Didn't really, didn't, all we did was drill.
[SPEAKER_00]: This is a case where you, if you go too far with drilling.
[SPEAKER_00]: And then my, I get to, this is seventh grade or eighth grade.
[SPEAKER_00]: I get, now I try out for the team.
[SPEAKER_00]: I make the team.
[SPEAKER_00]: My dad, my dad, my dad worked for me for, you know, two months, just, who's yours, man?
[SPEAKER_00]: Who's yours?
[SPEAKER_00]: So now I get to my coach, guess what kind of attitude he has, who's yours all day?
[SPEAKER_00]: We're not worried about flicking flashy and scoring points, we're at play defense, we're a pass, we're a ball handle.
[SPEAKER_00]: So we did that.
[SPEAKER_00]: And we did almost no live basketball games in practice.
[SPEAKER_00]: So the first game that I went into, oh, by the way, because I was good passing and was ball handling left hand right hand, I became the point card seventh grade or whatever.
[SPEAKER_00]: The first game I'm dribbling down the court.
[SPEAKER_00]: I hold up the signal for like, oh, we're gonna run play number two.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I, you know, boom, walk, boom.
[SPEAKER_00]: I pass the ball, totally get picked.
[SPEAKER_00]: The bog, it's picked off.
[SPEAKER_00]: The dude runs down the court's court's left.
[SPEAKER_00]: I was like, well, damn, we'll play two sucked.
[SPEAKER_00]: I come down again.
[SPEAKER_00]: I call play one, you know, better play.
[SPEAKER_00]: Pass it off, gets picked off the same guy, just picked it off again.
[SPEAKER_00]: Because I had never actually played.
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, I might have played like one scrimmage.
[SPEAKER_00]: We never scrimmaged.
[SPEAKER_00]: So you have, you have to drill, you have to.
[SPEAKER_00]: play that you have to you have to play games to get good at it and then you have to actually play an an unconstrained environment yeah so these things are are are very important and you have to do all of them even when it comes to like delivering it saying words yeah if you because let's face it when you're saying oh like when I I did that show billions yeah yeah yeah yeah
[SPEAKER_00]: They all the lines that those guys gave me were just shit that I said anyways You know, it was just it was just me.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it was me and it was just me, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: And so even though I It was pretty easy for me to say those words.
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, you want me to say uh hey keep knocking them out like that's some shit I would normally say But this line was like a little different and so I didn't cry so he I forced it out
[SPEAKER_00]: No one said anything.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think people that's, they like, oh, that's the first one.
[SPEAKER_00]: We'll give them a little breather.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: Cause it sucks when the director comes up and he's like, damn, X is a female director, you know.
[SPEAKER_00]: She didn't come up to me and say, ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, I'll forget if I'm allowed to talk about it.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, that's what it feels.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I forget I don't want to I don't want to get you know Get in trouble.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yeah, yeah, leaking the leak in the stuff.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, yeah, the T exactly But yeah, you got to be careful with that one
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, um, it's, I mean, as far as the idea of the content, um, it seems obvious when you just sort of look at it.
[SPEAKER_01]: But if you understand it, then I feel like, yeah, you can be like way more effective in like, when you progress through learning.
[SPEAKER_01]: So if you, let's say, uh, like, go, let's do basketball, basketball is a good one.
[SPEAKER_01]: Where if it's like, okay, hey, soccer or whatever, young soccer, you've never played basketball ever before.
[SPEAKER_01]: But I'm going to teach you how and you're going to become good at basketball.
[SPEAKER_01]: I could be like, okay, first things first.
[SPEAKER_01]: This ball right here goes in that net, see it?
[SPEAKER_01]: See the ball and you're like, bro, that makes perfect sense to me the ball going in the net.
[SPEAKER_01]: Hell yeah, I know basketball All right.
[SPEAKER_01]: I know that part of it Is okay cool you know that okay here's this what I but you didn't do anything.
[SPEAKER_01]: I just explained it to you
[SPEAKER_01]: Brother, you trade through that ball in the net right you can't it's almost impossible actually No, you know with 100% certainty what the ball going in the net is Yet you can't do it because you have no reps doing it because it's like millions of little variations in there Yeah, so you can say and so yeah, you got a
[SPEAKER_01]: same thing with the talking thing in your line like there's so many little variations that you have to experience for them to get locked in no matter I mean yeah you said the word the and so called or whatever the words are you've heard those words you said them but not in that progression and that circumstance so you got to replicate that circumstance and get that experience in real life
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, same thing with like juggling, for example, you ever, um, you can watch tutorials on how to juggle the technique.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it's like, oh, but that's, I didn't know that.
[SPEAKER_01]: And you're like, right, I think I can treat, but I actually do that.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it's impossible.
[SPEAKER_01]: You got exactly.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yep, exactly.
[SPEAKER_00]: And by the way, I got this movie I'm playing a pilot.
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, yeah, the helicopter pilot too.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'd get in and I'm kind of like, I literally went on YouTube and watched some videos about, like, see what the hell I got from violence are doing?
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: But I got in there and I said, you know, I'm kind of like, what are you going to do?
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm like, well, I'm going to look at the instruments and look around.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I said, and they said, yeah, you know, that'll be fine.
[SPEAKER_00]: They said, well, the thing is, when we get pilots, real pilots, sometimes they don't know how to act.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and I said, well, unfortunately for you, I'm neither a pilot nor an actor, so you're just going to have to deal with it to go back to your basketball example is if you just said, hey, all you got to do is put the ball in the net.
[SPEAKER_00]: and you so now you take a shot like what is your form.
[SPEAKER_00]: If what I should do is like hey, you got to put the ball in the net.
[SPEAKER_00]: Here are some basic points of performance that you need to utilize.
[SPEAKER_00]: Put your elbow at the basket.
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, use the other hand to guide because if you say put the ball in the basket, a lot of people would do a two handed set shot like they used to do in the 50s.
[SPEAKER_00]: You don't like, oh, just two hands.
[SPEAKER_00]: But it's known that there's a better technique now.
[SPEAKER_00]: not that some people couldn't hit good shots with a two-handed set shot, but it's just not as effective.
[SPEAKER_00]: You can't do it from a jump.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like there's all kinds of reason why it's not good.
[SPEAKER_00]: So, that's why we need to give people the, that's what those things are.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's what the,
[SPEAKER_00]: When I say that three to five things can be shown by the instructor, it's a perfect example, a jump shot in basketball.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like, I need to give you the fundamentals of the movement.
[SPEAKER_00]: Now listen, you might, you know, have a specific way, you know, see this with pictures sometimes in baseball, like a side-on picture.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like, they didn't get taught that way, but they figured it out.
[SPEAKER_00]: and it works for them.
[SPEAKER_00]: And there's that's an extreme example, but a lot of times, you know, your jump shot might be a little bit different.
[SPEAKER_00]: What's going to be a little bit different every everyone else is based on your body and based on the way you calculate the distance and how much backspin you put on the ball of events can be a little bit different.
[SPEAKER_00]: But there is a
[SPEAKER_00]: There is a line.
[SPEAKER_00]: There is a guide that you can give someone and then how well, oh, how much they need to deviate from that line is kind of up to them.
[SPEAKER_00]: And that's why they have to do the drilling, the static drilling, the constrained environment.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like I'm not gonna teach you a jump shot and then say, okay, go ahead and take one and I just swat you, you know, like I'm not gonna get your face.
[SPEAKER_00]: No, you gotta learn the technique.
[SPEAKER_00]: And then I start, okay, let me put a little refresh on you.
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, here's what you're gonna do, here's a little head juke, you can, and you start, and then you start using it again.
[SPEAKER_00]: And you start realizing, oh, I can do this, here's how I can do it specifically.
[SPEAKER_00]: So those are all really good examples, and it's important to remember, too.
[SPEAKER_00]: It varies for different people.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like I said, some people are visual learners, some people are audio learners, some people have to feel it.
[SPEAKER_00]: There's a bunch of different types of learners.
[SPEAKER_00]: And then on top of that, there's context.
[SPEAKER_00]: How much context do you have?
[SPEAKER_00]: Because if you have no context, and I try and teach you an arm lock, it could take an hour.
[SPEAKER_00]: If you know how to do an arm lock and I want to teach you how to finish with a wrist lock, I can teach you that in seven minutes.
[SPEAKER_00]: Maybe even five minutes.
[SPEAKER_00]: If you know how to do a straight foot lock and a heel hook and I want to teach you the aoki lock, I can teach you that very quickly.
[SPEAKER_00]: But if you don't know the heel hook and you don't know the foot lock, it's going to take me longer than I have to show you more to get you there.
[SPEAKER_00]: and it's same as the guitar chord.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like if I know the D minor and I want to teach you D major, like you already know them, if you already know one, I can very easily teach you the other or a weapon system.
[SPEAKER_00]: Once you know a particular, once you know how a rifle works, it's gonna be much easier.
[SPEAKER_00]: When I hand you a new rifle, I go, here's the safety, here's the what this type of what a sight looks like, here's where your sight picture should look like.
[SPEAKER_00]: As opposed to you, you've never shot a rifle before, I'm like, okay, this is called the safety.
[SPEAKER_00]: Here's how you're supposed to manipulate it.
[SPEAKER_00]: This is what you're gonna look at.
[SPEAKER_00]: on the on the site picture here's the front site you should focus on the front side the other things to become a blur the your target you're going to see it but that's going to become a blur too and you're going to keep your focus on the front side and then you're going to slowly pull the trigger and you're going to let it surprise you like all those things I'm going to have to teach you.
[SPEAKER_00]: If you already know that's often a handshake new weapon here's how this safety works here's what the site picture should be.
[SPEAKER_00]: Go kill and you can make it happen and even this is
[SPEAKER_00]: I can give you a little note, bro.
[SPEAKER_00]: Hey, you're a little bit aggressive when you walked in and you really didn't, you took partial ownership.
[SPEAKER_00]: But you also said, you know, this is probably my fault.
[SPEAKER_01]: And you go through, yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: Whereas if you've never taken ownership before, you're like, dude, this side, no, then do this.
[SPEAKER_00]: If we have a lot of work to do.
[SPEAKER_00]: So the amount of context that you have impacts how well and how quickly people can learn something.
[SPEAKER_01]: So when I watch movies back in the day as a kid, you know, okay, so you know a typical movie scenario We'll say let's say it's a cotton cotton movie for a lawyer move here whatever say a cotton and you get the story about the new young
[SPEAKER_01]: Freaking, bright-eyed, enthusiastic, gifted, new rookie, right out of that academy.
[SPEAKER_01]: Then you get this old guy who is kind of claimed to fame or whatever is his quote-unquote experience.
[SPEAKER_01]: He's like, you know, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's
[SPEAKER_01]: he doesn't read very fast.
[SPEAKER_01]: He's not very like good on his weapon, but he has a lot of experience.
[SPEAKER_01]: Right, break.
[SPEAKER_01]: We're talking point break.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,
[SPEAKER_01]: And I used to think, like, how does that mean?
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, Alex, where, like, he sucks.
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, he has a lot of experience.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like, why is that valuable?
[SPEAKER_01]: But really, it's this.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's like, you have so many reps in this context that you're talking about.
[SPEAKER_01]: He's seen so many different scenarios that, like, details just formulate themselves and paint, like, this very clear picture of what's going on.
[SPEAKER_01]: If you're an investigator, we'll say it.
[SPEAKER_01]: But if you knew, you just know this contextless,
[SPEAKER_01]: List of skills kind of that you have so you can't like you can't place these skills on to anything Yet mean while this guy can place everything on to everything sure he might not run the fastest of the criminals running away He can't chase them on whatever but he knows exactly what's going on.
[SPEAKER_01]: I just had one look at a situation soon saying like Ever heard of
[SPEAKER_01]: a show called forensic files, it used to be called medical detectives.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's basically like some crime happens and they kind of... Is it real?
[SPEAKER_01]: It's a real show, yeah, yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know.
[SPEAKER_00]: Documentary or is it?
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: What does it just mean?
[SPEAKER_01]: Like, it's a show, it's a series show, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: So you got episodes?
[SPEAKER_01]: But are you, is it real forensic people?
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Looking at real crimes.
[SPEAKER_01]: Exactly.
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, real crimes.
[SPEAKER_01]: And the actual investigators, the actual medical...
[SPEAKER_01]: It's not like that.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's not like that.
[SPEAKER_01]: um so they interview a lot of times they interview these cops with a lot of experience and they reveal little secrets that you would know only if you have experience right so one of them that that was pretty cool was they're investigating this guy they're questioning them and they saw a cut on his
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, and this part of his hand on the back of his on the outside of his pinky right right by that first knuckle It was a cut there and he's like and most of us know that when you're stabbing someone Through experience when you're stabbing someone the knife gets bloody and blood is very slippery like if you're not if you don't have experience with blood all over your hands Right you don't know that I didn't know that blood slippery like motor like motor oil
[SPEAKER_01]: So, it gets slippery, and then when you're stabbing someone, the impact of the knife makes the knife slide, your hand slide down the knife onto the blade, you cut yourself right there.
[SPEAKER_01]: That happens freaking like 90% of the time or whatever, as far as what he's saying, you know?
[SPEAKER_01]: But if you don't have experience like that would, oh, he has a cut in his hand.
[SPEAKER_01]: I wonder what that cut is for.
[SPEAKER_01]: But if you have a lot of experience, you're like, I know exactly what that cut is for.
[SPEAKER_01]: I've seen a million of those things, seems same.
[SPEAKER_01]: Does it happen every single time?
[SPEAKER_01]: No, but all the context, all the situations that I've seen, that thing was present.
[SPEAKER_01]: So it's like that kind of stuff.
[SPEAKER_01]: You can just like see it right at an instant.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, exactly the context and experience are very closely related for sure.
[SPEAKER_00]: So when it goes back to instruction, what percentage of instruction, like telling you what percentage of static drilling, what percentage of active
[SPEAKER_00]: resistance, constrained training and what percentage of life should we do?
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, there's a lot of variables there.
[SPEAKER_00]: And you can't set that in stone.
[SPEAKER_00]: You can't say, oh, if you're training guitar, you should do this much, you know, finger picking, this much scales.
[SPEAKER_00]: No, because guess what, there's some people that are just naturally good at scales.
[SPEAKER_00]: And they're naturally bad at finger picking.
[SPEAKER_00]: If you're training in jujitsu, you can't be like, oh, oh, oh, I taught a new move today.
[SPEAKER_00]: We're going to drill it 22 times each and then we're going to do four minutes each side of constrained drilling.
[SPEAKER_00]: or game, and then we're gonna do live.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like, you, well, how complex was the move?
[SPEAKER_00]: Jeff Glover taught him move the other day, and he gets on teaching it, and he's like, all right, let's give it a try.
[SPEAKER_00]: Good luck, he says, good luck, because it was a wild ass move, you know?
[SPEAKER_00]: And I, I would probably have to learn that from move from him, you know, let's say five classes in a row.
[SPEAKER_00]: Five classes in a row, because I had no context around this particular move.
[SPEAKER_00]: Now, someone that has a lot of context around the move, they've probably got it that day.
[SPEAKER_00]: We're there at least started figuring it out.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: So how complex is the move that you're teaching?
[SPEAKER_00]: how much context is you're each student in the class, how much context do they have around that type of move?
[SPEAKER_00]: So it's not gonna be, there's no miraculous percentage that you should always teach to.
[SPEAKER_00]: What you do need to do, you have to observe oriented design act.
[SPEAKER_00]: As an instructor, you might have to go, hey,
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, echo and Greg Train, you guys go over there, start actively because this is whatever mount escape.
[SPEAKER_00]: You're really good at mount escape.
[SPEAKER_00]: I just want you to add this finishing touch on it.
[SPEAKER_00]: Meanwhile, I got a couple people that are, they might still be black belts, but they don't have that Hawaii and what do you call the Hawaiian Shuffles?
[SPEAKER_00]: They don't have the Hawaiian Shuffles down.
[SPEAKER_00]: They've never even seen it before.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: If they've never seen it before, it's going to be, it's going to take some time, the, uh, the deep, the deep arm, I think he calls it the deep arm drag, the deep arm drag by Jeff Glover.
[SPEAKER_00]: Bro, I'm still trying to figure that shit out.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: You know what I'm saying?
[SPEAKER_00]: And this is a guy.
[SPEAKER_00]: Jeff Glover actively will do this to me.
[SPEAKER_00]: I know exactly what he's doing.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: He's a hundred pounds less than me.
[SPEAKER_00]: And he can do this deep half this deep arm drag to me and he's like, I, okay, well, I'll do it, too.
[SPEAKER_00]: Can't do it to him.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: Can't do it to him.
[SPEAKER_00]: I've got my back taken a hundred times by trying to deep deep arm drag.
[SPEAKER_00]: But I have no context.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's like, okay, so Jeff Glover, what does Jeff Glover do?
[SPEAKER_00]: He turns his back when people all the time he doesn't give a shit.
[SPEAKER_00]: He gives, he doesn't care.
[SPEAKER_00]: I hardly ever turn my back on someone.
[SPEAKER_00]: So for me to actively start incorporating move, where part of the move is turning your back on someone, it's going to take me a long time to figure that out.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, so as an instructor, and probably there's, you know, just like I said, the move I was already today from, kind of.
[SPEAKER_00]: Just the mechanics of the move.
[SPEAKER_00]: It was gonna take, because it was oddly enough, it was a guard retention where you kind of turn your back.
[SPEAKER_00]: This is unfamiliar territory to me.
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't.
[SPEAKER_00]: How many times do you think you've got my back?
[SPEAKER_01]: Got in your back?
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, got in.
[SPEAKER_01]: I can't remember.
[SPEAKER_01]: once.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I'm like very protective of having my back taken comes from the old days in MMA having your back taken was having your back taken in jujitsu was bad, but having it taken in MMA was horrible.
[SPEAKER_00]: Now those now that things have evolved and it's actually if you watch Sean Strickland, his last fight, he gave it the back no factor because again, things have evolved, he knows how to defend better.
[SPEAKER_00]: But for my upbringing, we didn't give up the back.
[SPEAKER_00]: And so now I got kind of telling me, kind of turn your back.
[SPEAKER_00]: took me, I didn't even get it, you know, and I was joined with Noah and Noah was like, oh, I got this.
[SPEAKER_00]: He started doing it pretty quick.
[SPEAKER_00]: And so that's what you got to deal with.
[SPEAKER_00]: The discrepancy between each student is a real thing.
[SPEAKER_00]: And so you got to take that into account.
[SPEAKER_00]: And the context you got to take into account, and then you got to provide a little bit of modulation.
[SPEAKER_00]: like I just said hey echo and Greg you guys go over there you guys got this you guys could try working but you two over here let's start with this basic all I want you to do is all I want you to do is get the person moving back and forth that's the game we're going to play right all I want you to do is just move get the person moving because disrupt their balance once you because if I'm trying to get you the whole move you didn't have to just you didn't even know how to disrupt their balance we got a problem yeah
[SPEAKER_00]: It's the same thing we used to do in the SEAL teams.
[SPEAKER_00]: You don't, we would start immediate action drills.
[SPEAKER_00]: Immediate action drills are what you do.
[SPEAKER_00]: They're like coordinated plays like you do in the football field.
[SPEAKER_00]: Someone makes a call and then you execute the play, right?
[SPEAKER_00]: You do that when you get enemy contact.
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, when you start, when you start doing immediate action drills, what you do is you start on a big flat open range.
[SPEAKER_00]: And the targets are down there and you can all see each other.
[SPEAKER_00]: and there's no terrain to deal with.
[SPEAKER_00]: You just go through the motions.
[SPEAKER_00]: You're going through the mechanics of the move.
[SPEAKER_00]: And if a cartoon has worked, well, if they did, before they went out to land warfare, if they already went out on the beach, and they did a bunch of,
[SPEAKER_00]: walk throughs and everyone starts getting the mechanics down by the time they get out to the desert trading facility you a do a do a center peel oh they're knocking it out first there actually will knock it out in the first try if you have a pull-toon that didn't get together and didn't do walk throughs there are soup sandwich even on the flat range so once you get done with the flat range once you get them up to speed
[SPEAKER_00]: Then you start putting them into rain.
[SPEAKER_00]: The first train will be very obvious.
[SPEAKER_00]: Then the train gets a little bit more complicated.
[SPEAKER_00]: And then guess what you do?
[SPEAKER_00]: You start doing it at night.
[SPEAKER_00]: And once you're doing it at night, on nods, well guess what, now we start using rockets.
[SPEAKER_00]: and grenades, and you're gonna start escalating things.
[SPEAKER_00]: And by the way, you're starting an multiple times.
[SPEAKER_00]: And when they're really good with all that live fire, all that, by the way, it's all live fire.
[SPEAKER_00]: Then once they're solid, they're live fire, then you can say, okay, now we can go force on force, which means you're gonna go against real people that are shooting fake bullets at each other, right in some condition.
[SPEAKER_00]: So that's what we as leaders have to do as instructors.
[SPEAKER_00]: We have to figure out all these things
[SPEAKER_00]: And that is, can be challenging, but it's also the way you can make the most progress with everyone that is trying to learn.
[SPEAKER_00]: All right, next, all course proponents can start now by taking the following three steps.
[SPEAKER_00]: So this is going back to this army manual.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's trying to tell people to help people.
[SPEAKER_00]: change their learning method or their teaching methodology.
[SPEAKER_00]: Convert most cat classroom experiences into collaborative problem solving events led by facilitators, vice instructors, who engage learners to think and understand the relevance and context of what they learn.
[SPEAKER_00]: So it's much better, you know, if you, if you're kid, you want to teach your kid the timestables, if you have to make it a flash card and you can't see the answer when you say two times four.
[SPEAKER_00]: If they see that it's eight, it doesn't help them at all.
[SPEAKER_00]: They have to come up with that solution themselves.
[SPEAKER_00]: And that's what I like about this.
[SPEAKER_00]: You have to get the people to think.
[SPEAKER_00]: You can guide them.
[SPEAKER_00]: And if they miss it, you can tell them, but then you got to flip it back over and try it again.
[SPEAKER_00]: Taylor, Taylor learning to the individual learner's experience and competence level based on the results is what we just talked about.
[SPEAKER_00]: dramatically reduce or eliminate instructor-led slide presentation lectures and begin using a blended, learning approach that incorporates virtual and constructive simulations, gaming technology or other technology delivered instruction.
[SPEAKER_00]: So you can't just read through them.
[SPEAKER_00]: You can't just show them.
[SPEAKER_00]: You have to interact with this as funny because when we used to teach close quarters combat,
[SPEAKER_00]: you'd have different instructors.
[SPEAKER_00]: So you got to, you got to, let's say we got a, a troop of task unit and they got two different platoons.
[SPEAKER_00]: And so you take two different platoons and they're going with two different instructor groups.
[SPEAKER_00]: And for a while, we would just be like, okay, you're going with this guy all day, you go with this guy all day.
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, one of those instructors really like to talk a lot.
[SPEAKER_00]: And so he's going through all these details.
[SPEAKER_00]: The other instructor, like, talked, kind of gave the fundamental concepts, and then started, all right, start doing it, start doing it, start doing it, 10 times out of 10.
[SPEAKER_00]: The talking instructor made less progress than the guy that talked probably will one
[SPEAKER_00]: one third you still like I said I'm not going to say hey here's a ball put in the basket no I'm going to say hey here's how you should position your foot here's what your elbow should do here's where your hand placement on the ball that's all good stuff now if I start telling you about the physics of the ball and the physiological
[SPEAKER_00]: alignment of your elbow and stuff like that, don't matter, don't matter.
[SPEAKER_00]: So when you start talking about room clearance, you start getting into these things that are beyond the necessary knowledge for the shooter, you're kind of wasting their time.
[SPEAKER_00]: So let them start to do shout out to
[SPEAKER_00]: slow, cow poly, slow, where my daughter Coach Ranna went.
[SPEAKER_00]: Their motto is learn by doing, so they do a lot of stuff there, they do, and that's definitely a great way to learn.
[SPEAKER_00]: Next section, full spectrum operations.
[SPEAKER_00]: Counterinsurgency instability operations dominate the current fight, again, this is written 2015.
[SPEAKER_00]: However, force must be prepared to execute full spectrum operations.
[SPEAKER_00]: And this means you got to be ready for anything.
[SPEAKER_00]: And this means you have to train in different environments for things that are less likely.
[SPEAKER_00]: And putting in a little bit of time on things that are less likely.
[SPEAKER_00]: Instead of waiting for you to get punched in the face with that problem, is the way to do this.
[SPEAKER_00]: And, also, you've got to look at different variables that you train in, different environments, different tools.
[SPEAKER_00]: G, no, G, in G, G.
[SPEAKER_00]: Gloves.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like, hey, you know what you're doing to Jiu-Jitsu sometimes, put on gloves, once a week someone puts on the gloves and is punching you in the head as you're working your guard.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's a real thing.
[SPEAKER_00]: Striking for take-down, somebody puts on big 16-ounce boxing gloves, or 18-ounce boxing gloves, and they try and punch you as you're trying to hit a take-down.
[SPEAKER_00]: Just, and then with what else you're doing, you know, um, you're doing pistol work,
[SPEAKER_00]: What about backlight?
[SPEAKER_00]: What about with noise happening?
[SPEAKER_00]: What about when it's cold outside and you're wearing gloves?
[SPEAKER_00]: little things are going to be different, so you're going to be prepared for those things.
[SPEAKER_00]: Next, soldiers and leaders must learn to rapidly transition between offensive, offensive, defensive, instability, operations, or civil support operations while understanding that many military fundamentals remain the same in any type of operation.
[SPEAKER_00]: Preparation for future operations must include complexity, uncertainty, continuous transition between operations, protracted time, information complexity, and adaptive enemies that are
[SPEAKER_00]: What this means is you have to be ready for uncertainty.
[SPEAKER_00]: And you get, let me tell you what, you get better at dealing with uncertainty by dealing with uncertainty.
[SPEAKER_00]: Believe it or not as a skill, and it's a skill that you can improve over time.
[SPEAKER_00]: We used to throw the most random shit at Paltoon's, random.
[SPEAKER_00]: One will hear the most random thing.
[SPEAKER_00]: So, my guys would be setting up targets, you know, for a big hit to go down, big target assault to go down.
[SPEAKER_00]: But I generally wouldn't go out and see like the details that they were doing.
[SPEAKER_00]: I would be with the Paltoon as the Paltoon's plan to go to the head.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'd be sitting and listening to the brief and listening to their Paltoon interactions, see what kind of frictions and fault lines there were.
[SPEAKER_00]: But the boys are out in the field, the trade-up, boys are out in the field.
[SPEAKER_00]: They're setting up the targets, putting in the pyro and all the special effects and all the craziness.
[SPEAKER_00]: So anyways, the guys are out there setting up the target and we're always trying to surprise the guys, give them something they didn't know what to deal with or how to deal with something.
[SPEAKER_00]: So we're, I'm standing there in like a hallway watching the platoon clear and all of a sudden, like a couple of guys open a door and they kind of enter a room and I can see that like,
[SPEAKER_00]: The reaction is kind of confused and then there's like I hear like weird noise is coming out like commands like normally go go get out and get out or whatever and I hear like hey Dude, who's it?
[SPEAKER_00]: You just weird stuff and I see like someone else kind of stumbling back out of the room.
[SPEAKER_00]: It just
[SPEAKER_00]: was bad.
[SPEAKER_00]: And so I kind of go down there and kind of peeked to what's going on there in the head.
[SPEAKER_00]: They had my trade guys had dressed two dudes up like clowns and they were having a pie eating contest.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's funny, right?
[SPEAKER_00]: It's funny.
[SPEAKER_00]: Dude, those guys, it tripped guys up.
[SPEAKER_00]: It tripped them up.
[SPEAKER_00]: They're like, what do we, what are we supposed to do?
[SPEAKER_00]: Is that a weapon?
[SPEAKER_00]: The guy's holding a pie, getting ready to hit someone else in the face with a pie.
[SPEAKER_00]: Is that what
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I don't know.
[SPEAKER_00]: Lower at least that's the guys were thinking, what am I doing?
[SPEAKER_00]: Are they going to throw the pie at me?
[SPEAKER_00]: Is that now a weapon?
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: Is the pie a bomb?
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: So doing that kind of thing is a good way to give people things that they're not expecting at all.
[SPEAKER_00]: Giving someone something that is so uncertain they have to deal with it will help them in dealing with because it will help them learn to detach It will help them learn to assess quickly.
[SPEAKER_00]: It will help them move through the decision making process quickly, but you have to deal with uncertainty and learn in order to learn how to deal with uncertainty Did you notice at CGI 2 One of the rules implemented was You're doing
[SPEAKER_00]: they just, you didn't know who was getting sent out on the map from the two teams.
[SPEAKER_00]: Remember that?
[SPEAKER_00]: So when someone got beat or when the round started, because it was it was team jujitsu, which didn't work out well.
[SPEAKER_00]: But you didn't know each team didn't know who the other guy was sending out.
[SPEAKER_00]: Remember that?
[SPEAKER_00]: So you might be getting ready to go against that 170-pound fast guy, but all of a sudden the 280-pound slow, big smasher comes out.
[SPEAKER_00]: You got to be ready to deal with it.
[SPEAKER_00]: There was an interesting aspect that wasn't, I don't even know I'm using that as an example.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's not a good example for a tournament.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, a good example of this that the unexpected weirdness that can happen, even though it's rare, is okay, you have to have seen this clip and I didn't know who this person was until later on, I find out it was undress, but not skiss.
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, see, he's an internment and how he started, you know, some guys will pull guard or they're whether this guy freaking starts upside down.
[SPEAKER_01]: Did you see that?
[SPEAKER_01]: Did you know that was on just?
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I didn't know till later, but yeah, he's upside down.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like on his inverted, inverted guard pole followed by moving like towards the person.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it was very unusual.
[SPEAKER_01]: We'll say.
[SPEAKER_01]: And he won by the way.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, exactly right.
[SPEAKER_00]: By the way, the master of all unexpected shit is Jeff Glover.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, hands down.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, he invented donkey guard or whatever.
[SPEAKER_01]: No one starts like that.
[SPEAKER_01]: So it's like, breath through all my training.
[SPEAKER_01]: I've never had to deal with this.
[SPEAKER_01]: Right here.
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, so yeah, it makes sense just the idea of this is unusual.
[SPEAKER_01]: This is unfamiliar to me.
[SPEAKER_01]: Just that idea is just one big obstacle in and of itself.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: So if you deal with unpredictable stuff,
[SPEAKER_00]: You can kind of mentally navigate your way through that obstacle that that would be there a little Sure, and the other example that is with a way John Donner her explained when they started using leg locks Against people that had weren't familiar and has Dean Lister said you know when they started calling the position that we called Cockaraco, which is called the 50 50
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, Dean would say, Dean's, Dean would hear someone say 50, 50, and he's like 90, 10.
[SPEAKER_00]: Because Dean spends so much time there.
[SPEAKER_00]: If you don't know what's going on there, bro, you're screwed.
[SPEAKER_00]: You're screwed.
[SPEAKER_00]: So, yes, getting put into unfamiliar situations will make you better at dealing with unfamiliar situations.
[SPEAKER_00]: Also, if you can do something that's completely unfamiliar to someone, it's going to confuse them.
[SPEAKER_00]: At least momentarily.
[SPEAKER_00]: So keep that in mind.
[SPEAKER_00]: Back to the dock.
[SPEAKER_00]: The learning model must provide opportunities to experience a full spectrum challenges through a balanced mix of live virtual constructive and gaming environments.
[SPEAKER_00]: And again, this is like static drill resistance game, constrained game, less constrained games, and then live unconstrained live training.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's what we got to do.
[SPEAKER_00]: We got to mix those things up appropriately, depending on what it is you're trying to teach, how you're trying to teach it, what the context and knowledge of the individual has is.
[SPEAKER_00]: Got to put all those things into play.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's what we have to do.
[SPEAKER_00]: A adaptability.
[SPEAKER_00]: Leaders at all levels must have opportunities to develop operational adaptability through critical thinking, willingness to accept prudent risk, and the ability to make rapid adjustments based on a continuous assessment of the situation.
[SPEAKER_00]: They must be comfortable with ambiguity and quickly adapt to the dynamics of evolving operations over short and extended durations.
[SPEAKER_00]: You, you have to learn to adapt and the way that you learn to adapt is by adapting.
[SPEAKER_00]: And it's the same thing we just talked about.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's like uncertainty.
[SPEAKER_00]: You get better at dealing with uncertainty, by going through uncertainty.
[SPEAKER_00]: And what do you do?
[SPEAKER_00]: You learn how to adapt.
[SPEAKER_00]: And the way that you train this is by different situations, different tools, different scenarios, different people.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's what we have to do.
[SPEAKER_00]: We have to try different things and continue to make people adapt.
[SPEAKER_00]: When you force people to adapt, they get better at adapting.
[SPEAKER_00]: Leaders must be a depth that framing complex, ill-defined problems through design, and make effective decisions with less than perfect information.
[SPEAKER_00]: The learning model must develop adaptability at all levels through a foundation of operational competencies and then increase the type of intensity, the type and intensity of stressors and ambiguity.
[SPEAKER_00]: So, that's what we need to do.
[SPEAKER_00]: We need to.
[SPEAKER_00]: get people good at reframing complex things.
[SPEAKER_00]: So, here's a couple notes on this, talking through potential contingencies, like, hey, if this happens, what would you do?
[SPEAKER_00]: Talk through them.
[SPEAKER_00]: That is a step that you now don't have to, you know, discuss options.
[SPEAKER_00]: If we just say, hey, if this happens, hey, if our competitor does this, here's the two things we're going to do immediately.
[SPEAKER_00]: just that right there you took and it might take you an hour or two hours or three hours to come up with hey here's our immediate response to this might take you three hours to come up with that but now when it happens boom you just save yourself three hours of response time so you talk about it you discuss the various options and then run some scenarios like actually run through it and if we actually run through it
[SPEAKER_00]: When you add in a new scenario, and you don't have time to talk, you don't have time to discuss, you will be better at problem solving.
[SPEAKER_00]: So you learn problem solving and you become more proficient at problem solving over time and the more you have to problem solve.
[SPEAKER_00]: And part of that is what we you mentioned earlier, just the context of it.
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, you have a cop that's been to 1,000 crime scenes.
[SPEAKER_00]: He's going, it looks a little bit different.
[SPEAKER_00]: He's still going to adapt faster and say, hold on a second.
[SPEAKER_00]: Wait, don't go in that other room.
[SPEAKER_00]: I see this sign and that thing just hold what you got.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like he's going to be able to adapt faster than someone's like, well, the protocol that I just learned doesn't look in the academy was this.
[SPEAKER_00]: And like, so you get better at it.
[SPEAKER_00]: But you have to put people in problem solving situations so they get better in a problem solving.
[SPEAKER_00]: Next, Master Fundamentals.
[SPEAKER_00]: Currently, the Army has extensive combat experience that provides an in-depth understanding of the fundamentals that contributed to Michigan's success in counter-insertancy operations, mastering and sustaining core fundamental competencies better support, operational adaptability than attempting to prepare for every possibility.
[SPEAKER_00]: So we're not going to be able to prepare for every possibility.
[SPEAKER_00]: But first of all, our standard operating procedures can and should cover most contingencies.
[SPEAKER_00]: There's a lot of contingencies you have in combat that you don't need to prepare for, because you already have standard operating procedures to prepare for it.
[SPEAKER_00]: If we are approaching the target and we start taking fire, everybody knows what's going to happen.
[SPEAKER_00]: This takes no, it's a standard operating procedure.
[SPEAKER_00]: If we have already guys entered the first floor and we take contact from the building, we have a standard operating procedure.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like we have things in place.
[SPEAKER_00]: In EBD action drills, I got to be a patrolman through the desert and you take contact.
[SPEAKER_00]: We, everybody, knows the EBD action drill that we're going to do.
[SPEAKER_00]: When you have a company, when you have a business, there should be
[SPEAKER_00]: protocols you have in place.
[SPEAKER_00]: If this happens, here's where our immediate response doesn't take any thought, doesn't take any leadership.
[SPEAKER_00]: This is what we're doing.
[SPEAKER_00]: The standard operating procedures, the better you have them wired, they give you a line to deviate from.
[SPEAKER_00]: Now, if I gave you a book of eight football plays, how many football plays do you think you're
[SPEAKER_00]: and you need to give in the ear, you know, from 10 to 20 maybe, 10 to 20 and you have to memorize those.
[SPEAKER_00]: So how much do you think is a lot more than NFL?
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, good question.
[SPEAKER_01]: No, I don't think so.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think because it's and then even then that's hard to even say because a lot of the plays are like So simple and there's just like this much difference between one play to the next you know, so it's easier to memory But yeah, I'm sure there's more dynamics in the NFL, right, you know how they they call oddables probably more and they do, you know, they they're probably more
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, but they didn't have you memorize 250 radically different plays.
[SPEAKER_00]: No, right?
[SPEAKER_00]: And it's the same thing in the SEAL teams.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like you're not going to memorize.
[SPEAKER_00]: You don't have 342 standard operating procedures.
[SPEAKER_00]: You're not trying to prepare for every contingency.
[SPEAKER_00]: You can't do that.
[SPEAKER_00]: And that's what they're saying here.
[SPEAKER_00]: But what we do know,
[SPEAKER_00]: Is that you have to train and if you know the fundamentals well, you'll be able to adapt the fundamentals because the fundamentals exist for a reason
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, it gives you the opportunity to be flexible because you already have a standard operating procedure.
[SPEAKER_00]: Not just wrote, memory, your fundamentals of Jimmy Page, right?
[SPEAKER_00]: He played, he's a studio musician that just had to play what they told him to play.
[SPEAKER_00]: He is fundamentals were incredible.
[SPEAKER_00]: So that way when it came time to make a rock and roll music, he could get after it.
[SPEAKER_00]: He could do things that no one was doing.
[SPEAKER_00]: Next, the fundamental competencies must be clearly identified to support executing future full spectrum operations and time must be a lot of to attain proficiency through repetition and time on task.
[SPEAKER_00]: So just make sure that you're fundamentals.
[SPEAKER_00]: connect to everything that you're doing.
[SPEAKER_00]: If you're learning fundamentals, you know, if you're playing football and you're learning how to do a tennis serve, I'm not going to help you.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's not going to help you.
[SPEAKER_00]: So you've got to have those DSOPs that make sense.
[SPEAKER_00]: next nearly a decade of conflict has shown the army that it is extraordinarily difficult to prepare soldiers for every battlefield contingency instead soldiers and leaders must master a set of critical core competencies that provide a foundation for operational ability.
[SPEAKER_00]: And this is how we need to train.
[SPEAKER_00]: And by the way, this is like in, you know, let's go, let's go GJ2 Street Fight.
[SPEAKER_00]: by the time you're learning a go-go plotter.
[SPEAKER_00]: The chances that you have to use a Google plot in a street are very, very, very, very small.
[SPEAKER_00]: Very, very small.
[SPEAKER_00]: If you're at the point where you know how to do a Google plot, you're fundamental, already handled the problem.
[SPEAKER_00]: Your fundamentals of due to you already handled the problem.
[SPEAKER_00]: So, if you never learned the fundamentals and you only learned a Google plot, there's a chance you get your ass beat in the street because there's a whole bunch of things that that other person can do to stop you.
[SPEAKER_00]: So you need to train the fundamentals and if your fundamentals are good, this is why we see sometimes, you know, the fundamental jujitsu guy, how do you gracey?
[SPEAKER_00]: Just take the back or get them out and do just a key cross choke.
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, like he's doing things that you literally learn as a white belt, but he's a master, Hicks and Gracie, and see him in the in the old days.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's like, Oh, what's he going to do?
[SPEAKER_00]: Take the person down and get their back and apply a rear naked choke.
[SPEAKER_00]: You can learn those, all those moves in one month of digits, but you might not be proficient at that.
[SPEAKER_00]: There's a big difference there.
[SPEAKER_00]: But if you learn these fundamentals, and by the way, there's also times where someone tries fancy moves that aren't fundamentally sound and they're not functional.
[SPEAKER_00]: So, it is important that your fundamentals are strong.
[SPEAKER_01]: There's this movie called the program back in the day.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, that's when the dudes got a skull face and stuff.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, um, Jack Ray Jackson right from Blood Sport.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's what that is.
[SPEAKER_01]: Anyway, no, no, the guy from the program is the same guy.
[SPEAKER_01]: He's on like that movie called Higher Learning.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, big buffed it.
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, college football movie, right, but this new up and coming rookie goes to the
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, it was Florida State, but they called it ESU.
[SPEAKER_01]: But anyway, uh, one day in practice, one of the early days in practice, he fumbles the ball, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: Just fumbles it.
[SPEAKER_01]: Lisbon was carried.
[SPEAKER_01]: So the code, what the coach does, because holding on to the ball, that is as fundamental as fundamental can get.
[SPEAKER_01]: You're a tricky nine year old kid playing football, like you got to hold onto the ball.
[SPEAKER_01]: I can't just drop it.
[SPEAKER_01]: So he made him carry that ball.
[SPEAKER_01]: with him to class everywhere.
[SPEAKER_01]: So he and he said if anyone the coach goes if anyone brings this ball to me other than you you're I forget what the punishment was or whatever some big punishment but that's it he had to train his fundamentals a hold on to the ball 24 hours a day so I'm saying that's so important it was made sense to me that coach was wise too pedaling
[SPEAKER_00]: What was the crux of the movie?
[SPEAKER_00]: Like what was the, did they win the championship or something?
[SPEAKER_00]: No, basically.
[SPEAKER_00]: Spoiler alert.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, no, not this way.
[SPEAKER_00]: Jack.
[SPEAKER_00]: Next, advances in learning science, cognitive psychology, educational psychology, neuro science, and other related fields provide new insights into improved learning strategies and applications of technology to learning.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yet years of research.
[SPEAKER_00]: show that there's no single learning strategy that provides the most effective solution to every learning problem.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's why when people get
[SPEAKER_00]: Totally bought into like one system and you got to watch out because it's there's there's just Years of research or there's no single learning strategy and and when you talk about all the variables that I just talked about Who that person is what the context is how long they what type of learner they are how long they've been training for like there's so much to think if you think no No, no, we're going to use this methodology It's not a good not a good plan Teaching requires no open mind and teachers and instructors have to continually Monitor and adjust
[SPEAKER_00]: what they're teaching and how they're teaching it and what they're doing and how they're doing it everybody's going to be a little bit different and this doesn't mean you have to teach nine different classes because there's nine different people in the class you know but it does mean you got to pay attention because there's generally speaking bell curve you got knucklehead over here he's going to have to you're going to have to explain to you he's going to have to go a little bit slower
[SPEAKER_00]: Genius over here get right into it everyone else gonna be all you got you can have your You see got one pretty you got seven people that are kind of like, okay, there's gonna be a general sort of modality You can use But you still got to pay attention and by the way again, that's with this move.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's with this guitar chord But tomorrow I might teach a guitar chord that these guys have never seen before none of them no context to it It's gonna take watch very tricky with the fingers
[SPEAKER_00]: got to pay attention to that one.
[SPEAKER_00]: Next, adult learning is promoted when the learner's prior knowledge is activated prior to learning new knowledge.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yep, there you go.
[SPEAKER_00]: You're going to teach something.
[SPEAKER_00]: Let's have them play the chord that's close to it a bunch of times.
[SPEAKER_00]: So we're bringing it out.
[SPEAKER_00]: Let's have them shoot the pistol or shoot the rifle, the way that we have that they the way that they know how to shoot it before you give them this advanced technique.
[SPEAKER_00]: The learner observes a demonstration.
[SPEAKER_00]: The learner applies new knowledge, demonstration application, or based in real world.
[SPEAKER_00]: Problem is the learner integrates new knowledge into everyday practices.
[SPEAKER_00]: You got to finish with that real world thing.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Soldiers must acquire the habits of lifelong learners.
[SPEAKER_00]: Soldiers must become expert, self-motivated learners who are capable of asking good questions and possess digital literacy skills that enable them to find, evaluate, and employ online knowledge whether in learning or operational environments.
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[SPEAKER_00]: If we have a person that's not a lifelong learner and they're just doing what we told them to do or the way it's always been done when I'm making progress.
[SPEAKER_00]: Army training, education and experience, domains require a holistic integration and clearly to find past to achieve outcomes at each stage of a soldier's career.
[SPEAKER_00]: The Army's learning model can facilitate a lifelong learning culture by encouraging critical thinking, complex problem solving, and providing tools that allow soldiers to access relevant performance related information.
[SPEAKER_00]: And by the way, that's what we have to force ourselves to do.
[SPEAKER_00]: We have to...
[SPEAKER_00]: force might be a strong word, but we have to pay attention to it.
[SPEAKER_00]: We have to be forced as instructors.
[SPEAKER_00]: We have to force people to do things that they wouldn't normally do.
[SPEAKER_00]: So like me working on triangles in Jiu Jitsu or Darshtrocks moves that I just don't do, but I need to do them.
[SPEAKER_00]: A finger picking on guitar or suck at it, but should I do it?
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, absolutely.
[SPEAKER_00]: This is why we have people do off-hand Shooting and mag changes people don't want to do that.
[SPEAKER_00]: They're not like hell.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, let's do some off-hand most people aren't They want to hear that that that steel plate go ping and then when I hear that thing will be ping They want to hear they want to get it As a leader forcing yourself to either be quiet
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[SPEAKER_00]: You've got to force yourself.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You want to improve your vocabulary.
[SPEAKER_00]: You can't just look at the vocabulary.
[SPEAKER_00]: You've got to integrate these new words to expand your vocabulary.
[SPEAKER_00]: And then finally it says, well, the last thing I want to cover from this document, the continuous adaptive learning model is not static, but is responsive to operational changes and evolving trends and learning technologies and methods.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's important to frame the things that you're doing in life as training.
[SPEAKER_00]: kind of everything is training and there's a whole philosophy like the Russian weight lifting thing it was all, it's like all practice and everything is practice.
[SPEAKER_00]: That being said, you have to be intentional on what you're doing as well, which to me intentional, the yoga, food food word.
[SPEAKER_00]: What it means to me is plan execute debrief.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's what intentional is.
[SPEAKER_00]: We're going to have a plan.
[SPEAKER_00]: We're going to actually plan and we're in a debrief.
[SPEAKER_00]: Even real time, as you train, you should be doing that.
[SPEAKER_00]: What do I need to adjust as an instructor right now?
[SPEAKER_00]: Is this too little?
[SPEAKER_00]: Is this too much?
[SPEAKER_00]: Are they overtrained?
[SPEAKER_00]: Are we at the point of diminishing returns, which you can get to from time to time?
[SPEAKER_00]: But you have to be paying attention to that.
[SPEAKER_00]: You have to be intentional.
[SPEAKER_00]: What's my plan for today?
[SPEAKER_00]: Now, can you say, hey, plan for today is we're gonna do six hard grounds.
[SPEAKER_00]: And you get out there, you see everyone lagging and by round three, you see people like they're over-trained.
[SPEAKER_00]: Can you make an adjustment?
[SPEAKER_00]: Absolutely.
[SPEAKER_00]: Did you reach a point of diminishing returns?
[SPEAKER_00]: Perhaps.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's what we have to do.
[SPEAKER_00]: to both be lifelong learners ourselves and be able to teach so that other people can learn.
[SPEAKER_00]: Life is training, so go get after it.
[SPEAKER_00]: And with that, speaking of getting after it, we are shooting, running, lifting, boxing, surfing, playing guitar.
[SPEAKER_00]: How's it, how's it look lately?
[SPEAKER_00]: Common.
[SPEAKER_00]: How many hours a day do you practice?
[SPEAKER_01]: Zero.
[SPEAKER_00]: I've been off it for two courts, and you were pretty good at them.
[SPEAKER_01]: Hey, yeah, you know.
[SPEAKER_01]: I got into digital music making, but I know where we're tracking.
[SPEAKER_01]: But I'm kind of off that.
[SPEAKER_01]: How come?
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm not off it.
[SPEAKER_00]: But more reference for me?
[SPEAKER_00]: I haven't.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I do need more reference for me, actually.
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, it's been like two weeks since I've done it.
[SPEAKER_01]: But, yes, I'm always into something though.
[SPEAKER_01]: Actually, you know what I'm into right now?
[SPEAKER_01]: Learning.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it's learning what I picked up and I'm actually it it only took like two days Solving a Rubik's cube.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, okay.
[SPEAKER_01]: Hair is holding a Rubik's cube.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, there's like a there's like a technique to it Actually more than one there's a bunch of techniques to it.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it's like what do they it's an algorithm or it's What is it called like to get that piece back?
[SPEAKER_00]: There's a certain protocol.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and you just memorize this various protocols
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, you know, yeah, basically, yeah, there's the first method is I think it's called layer by layer.
[SPEAKER_01]: So you go.
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: And so there's like a little method to move any one piece or two.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, you memorize a protocol.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, per step.
[SPEAKER_01]: Right.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: But, but.
[SPEAKER_00]: Because I remember seeing when I was a kid, because I was around with those things, I think when they were invented.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: And when people would get into solving them.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, you know, of course I learned how to like turn it in a quarter way and then break the piece off and this is a simple whole thing and put it together Yeah A little bit different I learned how to just man handle that thing, you know, overcome So how long is it taking you to solve the Rubik's Cube?
[SPEAKER_01]: My best time, layer by layer, which is not the speed way to do it, layer by layer is a minute, 59.
[SPEAKER_00]: Andy, have you got your kids into it as well?
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: Are they beating my son?
[SPEAKER_01]: No, no.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's okay.
[SPEAKER_00]: No.
[SPEAKER_00]: You guys are easy.
[SPEAKER_00]: You're the kids nine.
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: She's sorry.
[SPEAKER_00]: Sorry.
[SPEAKER_01]: Why you're over you're having them beat me all of a sudden, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: It's my freaking jam right now.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, leave me alone.
[SPEAKER_01]: No, it's, it's, you gotta for real commit to it.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's not like you're gonna learn it in one day and then, okay, you know, how now, you know?
[SPEAKER_01]: But you said two days.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, because I nerd it out on it.
[SPEAKER_01]: like basically to the point where within that two days my life was already mad at me because I had I have like four Rubik's cubes.
[SPEAKER_01]: Now there's like one in every room, you know kind of a thing.
[SPEAKER_01]: So like if I'm not doing anything Or if I'm quote-unquote done with the things I have to do I'm like on it, you know, so she's like Is this gonna be your thing now, you know, like chess was for that for that flurry but
[SPEAKER_01]: So I'd nerd it out on it so that's why I picked it up whatever, but yeah, my son he knows how to do like the first two layers You know, but it starts to get progressively a little bit more complex and there's more moves that you have to make exactly right so you get to a certain stage It's like okay, you got to do this and then and it's based on like the configuration so you got to react
[SPEAKER_01]: to it.
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, so it's not like, or you just do it, and it does it.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's not that, you know, do the right thing, and it gets a little bit more comfortable.
[SPEAKER_00]: I remember seeing, like, uh, basically some kind of instructional, and it would just have, like, arrows, like, down, down, down, right, right, left, up.
[SPEAKER_00]: across or whatever.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: And is that still a thing?
[SPEAKER_01]: I've seen those before and there's way more to it.
[SPEAKER_01]: Then that a lot of times those, especially if it's on like Instagram or something, that's like if you take a solve to Rubik's Cube and you want it to look like a American flag or something, you know, like little tricks you can do, but to solve it.
[SPEAKER_01]: No, because it, it, those moves are going to kind of depend on what you're presented with, you know,
[SPEAKER_00]: but there is a move.
[SPEAKER_01]: There is a move, yep, yep, yep, yep.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, for example, yeah, I don't know if you can kind of memorize.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, so clockwise, clockwise, counterclockwise, and you butt at the same time, it's right top.
[SPEAKER_01]: Right, you know, like, yeah, yeah, there's that, but then when you do it, when you finish it, you have to evaluate what you're presented with and then you do another series of moves.
[SPEAKER_01]: Another series of moves, or move on to the next one.
[SPEAKER_01]: Seems like it just depends on what you get and it all depends on where it's started.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, that's the thing.
[SPEAKER_01]: It gets good fun.
[SPEAKER_01]: Nonetheless, yeah, it's good learning.
[SPEAKER_01]: It is, yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: It makes your, you know, it's weird, like, I think as you get older and more in touch with this, where, you know, like this idea of warming up, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: Let's say before you lift, like, have you go through a warm-up process?
[SPEAKER_01]: You can't just jump under the bar start lifting heavy, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: Cause your body's like, oh, I don't think you're about to even produce the force yet.
[SPEAKER_01]: So you'm saying you're going to activate the whole system.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, sure, no more.
[SPEAKER_01]: How come you didn't turn to that?
[SPEAKER_01]: Today I was caught up, you know, I got a lot of stuff I got to do.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, you know, of course, my foot still hundred or whatever that was.
[SPEAKER_01]: My foot is not sore.
[SPEAKER_01]: It was hurting more not and my knees better too.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, it's a weird thing.
[SPEAKER_00]: No, I'm not talking like oh, I got I got Footwalked and someone cranked and I hurt my calf like Dean Lister just getting you on an outside footlock Just leaning into it and you're like yeah, I have a basically a bruise on my calf No, I'm not talking about getting calf kicked, which is another just the way to get this is a random no no combat engagement
[SPEAKER_00]: And then believe you're not, I was lifting, doing some dead lifts, and all of a sudden I just And my point in telling you this is I was like, ah, maybe I shouldn't train today But you know what to maintain the discipline.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, it got so it was able to just compensate a little bit.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, that's what we're doing So what training jiu jitsu we should be?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Quick, they do.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So anyway, there's a lot of stuff on there.
[SPEAKER_01]: Also a subscription scenario called the short locker.
[SPEAKER_01]: Get a new design every month.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's fun.
[SPEAKER_01]: There's this I called it a mosaic, but um like this this month's one it's a
[SPEAKER_01]: It's like a famous artist that he paints this thing.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's a picture But when you look at it from far away.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's like it looks like Abraham Lincoln But when you look at something else when you look up close, you know, it's that But it's something else not a blinkin something else That's this month one's pretty good.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's a mystery.
[SPEAKER_01]: You got to go and drop us right out coming click on the agency what it is
[SPEAKER_01]: The sneak peek or whatever.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, but yeah, it's all in jockelster.
[SPEAKER_01]: Some good stuff.
[SPEAKER_00]: Right on, right on.
[SPEAKER_00]: We've got some books, pretty legs on by Rob Jones.
[SPEAKER_00]: Need to lead by Dave Burke.
[SPEAKER_00]: We got stakes.
[SPEAKER_00]: Primalbeef.com.
[SPEAKER_00]: Stakes from the Shannon Doe of Valley.
[SPEAKER_00]: Sean Glass out there making some primal beef and primal beef.com.
[SPEAKER_00]: Also Colorado Craft Beef.com.
[SPEAKER_00]: We got we got the best sticks and great people.
[SPEAKER_00]: So get in there.
[SPEAKER_00]: Probably beef.com Colorado Craft Beef.com.
[SPEAKER_00]: Ashlam front we have the Monster in San Diego July 8th through the 10th 2026.
[SPEAKER_00]: This is our flagship event.
[SPEAKER_00]: By the way, this is a leadership conference where you learn the skills of leadership.
[SPEAKER_00]: Come and check that out.
[SPEAKER_00]: If you want, we also have extreme ownership.com where we teach leadership online.
[SPEAKER_00]: So you can check that out as well.
[SPEAKER_00]: Also,
[SPEAKER_00]: If you want to help service members active and retired, you want to help the family, you want to go to our family, check out Mark Lee's mom, mom Lee, check out her charity organization.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's absolutely incredible.
[SPEAKER_00]: If you want to donate or you want to get involved, go to America's Mighty Warriors.org.
[SPEAKER_00]: Also check out heroes and horses.org and Jimmy May's organization beyond the brotherhood.org.
[SPEAKER_00]: We got warriors in need.
[SPEAKER_00]: So check that one out.
[SPEAKER_00]: and strongholdrescue.org.
[SPEAKER_00]: Get a bunch of people out there doing amazing things.
[SPEAKER_00]: So check those out.
[SPEAKER_00]: If you want to connect with us, check out juggle.com.
[SPEAKER_00]: On social media, I'm at juggle willing.
[SPEAKER_00]: I can't because that echoed Charles just be careful because you don't want to learn things that you weren't intentionally wanting to learn.
[SPEAKER_00]: We have to be careful.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's called brainwashing, and your algorithm is doing that to you.
[SPEAKER_00]: So don't let it be careful.
[SPEAKER_00]: Thanks to all of our military personnel who are right now, this moment staged around the world.
[SPEAKER_00]: Thank you for continually learning, so you can stay ahead of our nation's enemies.
[SPEAKER_00]: Also, thanks to our police law enforcement, Firefighters, Paramedics, EMTs, Dispatchers, Correctional Officers, Border Patrol, Secret Service, as well as all other first responders.
[SPEAKER_00]: Thanks for learning and training and adapting every day to keep us safe at home.
[SPEAKER_00]: And everyone else out there are speaking of learning.
[SPEAKER_00]: Let's remember to keep learning.
[SPEAKER_00]: Try new things, try new technology, try new words, try new moves, try new chords on the guitar or the ukulele or the Rubik's Cube, try new tools and do everything you can to get better every single day and you do that by going out there and getting after it.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's all we've got for tonight and until next time, this is Echo and Jocco.