[SPEAKER_00]: Hey, hey, everybody, WG and Jeremy Feinstone here on the AEW post game live show.
[SPEAKER_00]: We literally just got home from the sap center, the home of the San Jose Sharks, and watched AEW's forbidden door with new Japan folks with CML folks with start-in folks.
[SPEAKER_00]: As you can tell, the show in a little late.
[SPEAKER_00]: We are starting this show over an hour later than we initially thought we were actually gonna get started.
[SPEAKER_00]: So, sorry to everybody who may have wanted to tune in and if it's too late, hopefully you get to watch it on the
[SPEAKER_00]: the on demand.
[SPEAKER_00]: And if you're listening on audio, obviously you're not listening live.
[SPEAKER_00]: So appreciate you tuning in.
[SPEAKER_00]: So Jeremy, we had an idea to do a show the way we usually do this little longer than the idea that we have now because it's so late.
[SPEAKER_00]: I want to hit I just want to go through all the matches and we'll just give all the outcomes if people decide to use us as their way of of keeping up with it and not watching we'll just give all the results we'll kind of do a little bit of color on the matches and then we'll talk about kind of the stuff that was.
[SPEAKER_00]: off of the paper view.
[SPEAKER_00]: We can talk a little bit about the live stuff.
[SPEAKER_00]: We can talk with the post show press conference and we can talk about our little, our little scrum that we had with Tony Khan after the post press conference, which is.
[SPEAKER_01]: I've come and got you back.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's just, you know, it's just a product of being in the Dave Meltzer universe.
[SPEAKER_00]: So first off, before, you know, I'll let you introduce yourself and then you can kind of just give me your quick and dirty about your enjoyment of tonight's show.
[SPEAKER_01]: uh hello everybody i'm sure we find stomp hope to speak a strong style a new Japan podcast in addition to the eight w paper v recap they do a lot said here with uh york and solid and you did the WWE show the other night you did the WWE show yesterday more than 24 hours ago but uh within the same weekend uh is it it's monday now we're in monday
[SPEAKER_01]: Uh, I thought it was a really good show Garrett.
[SPEAKER_01]: Um, I was actually a little surprised to, uh, hit online and see people call it one of the best shows of all time.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, really good.
[SPEAKER_01]: But I don't know if they're going to really see by us on that because we're really good.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's still really good.
[SPEAKER_01]: But I don't know if it was an all timer because we've been to some all timer shows and I felt like the energy of those in cat.
[SPEAKER_00]: Now, you obviously come for the new Japan side on paper, the new Japan, there wasn't a lot of it.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yoda Suji, the champion who's not on the show.
[SPEAKER_00]: How did you think that they were able to incorporate the new Japan part of this?
[SPEAKER_01]: I thought there were a lot of smoking mirrors, but by a necessary factor, there's a lot of changes going on in New Japan right now.
[SPEAKER_01]: There's a lot of young talents, there's a lot of unestablished talent.
[SPEAKER_01]: And frankly, there isn't a whole lot of talent that has been developed at the level of the top star today at UW for them to remain competitive back in the time when Ocata and Osprey and Naito and Abushi were all at the top of New Japan and they will sometimes come over, we're in a different length.
[SPEAKER_01]: There are two routes that you can take with this and it can be ooh, this is unfair, like the relationship between these two companies, like it's so disappointed, wanted to take it from the other or you can just see where they are in the wrestling landscape and see the arrangements they're making with each other and
[SPEAKER_01]: I thought for who was available and what they were able to do with the show and the New Japan talent, I thought they used it exceptionally well.
[SPEAKER_01]: I thought this darn talent would be used well and I thought the CML would be used well.
[SPEAKER_01]: For a forbidden door concept, I really didn't have a whole lot of complaints about the show.
[SPEAKER_00]: I thought it was an excellent wrestling show.
[SPEAKER_00]: There were things about the wrestling that I'm sure anybody who wants to nitpick can have problem with.
[SPEAKER_00]: I was actually talking to one of our friends after the show was over when we were talking about as we as we're at the press conference, I was taught, you know, I was, I did not ask any questions that was kind of, I was kind of live blogging the press conference on fighting media.com if you want to check it out.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I was having a side conversation with somebody talking
[SPEAKER_00]: And we were talking about like, how close to match of the year is it going to be?
[SPEAKER_00]: And I said, here are the, if we want a nitpick about this match, here are the things they can nitpick at.
[SPEAKER_00]: One of the things that you mentioned as we were watching, we were sitting right next to each other so we could just chit chat about the show.
[SPEAKER_00]: There was a countout spot in this match.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: This is a match for who's going to, who's going to go to the title match.
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know, and there's not going to be a counter in this match.
[SPEAKER_00]: There was not going to be a double counter in this match.
[SPEAKER_00]: There's not going to be a single counter in this match.
[SPEAKER_00]: So that was a little bit of a flaw.
[SPEAKER_00]: There was a knockout spot in this match to where Swerve was down and out in the referee.
[SPEAKER_00]: Stopped Will Osprey from following up and just pounding him to submission.
[SPEAKER_00]: That is a flaw.
[SPEAKER_00]: That is an actual flaw in how wrestling should work.
[SPEAKER_00]: Great.
[SPEAKER_00]: You think that there is an excessive amount of finishers and high spots and kills and video game moves at the end to kind of put the whole thing to bed.
[SPEAKER_00]: I could see where you're coming from there, though.
[SPEAKER_00]: 20 years ago, you probably have a more valid excuse than you have with today's wrestling, just because of how today's wrestling works.
[SPEAKER_00]: And so you could even like this match.
[SPEAKER_00]: We know it's going to get five stars or more from big Dave.
[SPEAKER_00]: We know that when it comes to the year end rankings and the resting observer, newsletter awards, it's going to do very well.
[SPEAKER_00]: But at the same time, if people have issues with it, I get it, like there's not going to be a perfect match ever.
[SPEAKER_00]: People had problems with Kenny Omega and Kazuchko Kata from The Tokyo Dope.
[SPEAKER_00]: We know this, we know this about wrestling.
[SPEAKER_00]: up and down the card, I think there was, and I don't always think this about AWS shows, by the way.
[SPEAKER_00]: There was one spot, which was the, what's at the old Osprey Cheeky Nando's kick in the corner?
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, they did it in two different matches.
[SPEAKER_01]: Two different women matches.
[SPEAKER_00]: Women's matches.
[SPEAKER_00]: One of them was on the buy-in, so if you didn't watch it by any other paper view, you only saw it one time.
[SPEAKER_00]: They also did like this rear naked choke spot
[SPEAKER_00]: In the Omega and Zaxi Virginia match, they were on the top rope and Omega was in the choke and Zach had him in the choke and then Omega fell back off the top rope onto Zach and Zach broke the choke in the John Moxley match against.
[SPEAKER_00]: against Bandito.
[SPEAKER_00]: John had the choke on Bandito.
[SPEAKER_00]: Bandito fell like trying to jump and fall on back of John now in MMA.
[SPEAKER_00]: John thinks if his match is sometimes in that way.
[SPEAKER_00]: In MMA, you don't really do that because just allows the person to sink the choke in stronger.
[SPEAKER_00]: And that's how Bandito tapped.
[SPEAKER_00]: So those moves were duplicated now in the moxley and in the Omega match.
[SPEAKER_00]: They were done a little bit differently, but a lot of times when I'm watching a W shows, I see multiple spots that are repeated.
[SPEAKER_00]: And on this show, I thought they did a really good job of whatever agenting or producing is today in making sure that they didn't do a lot of the same stuff.
[SPEAKER_00]: Uh, which is sometimes a flaw that I feel and so even to that level, I thought this show was better than than some others, but, you know, the matches were there, whether or not you are a fan of that style.
[SPEAKER_00]: We talked to somebody today who went to the show because their child is is a wrestling fan, they are a wrestling fan, but A, W, may not be their favorite style, you know, right?
[SPEAKER_00]: But I understand that kind of fan are our buddy John the Rocker.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm sure had tons of issues with this product with this show because he enjoys a specific product style wrestling But I still think all those things being said I still think that this was a very good show So let's actually we'll just quickly go through the results and we can give a little bit of color to some of these matches and then we'll We'll hit some of the live stuff so the opener
[SPEAKER_00]: Um, the opener was, uh, Daniel Garcia and Dr. Lamaloni, I think they put this there, uh, for you, specifically knowing that was a nice job knowing that you were going to be there early.
[SPEAKER_00]: They were like, let's give Jeremy a new Japan match and drill one.
[SPEAKER_00]: He won with the drill a killer.
[SPEAKER_01]: Kind of I kind of thought the visiting the visiting talent would win in a couple of the zero hour matches because, you know, Drilla is going to be in the G1 in a couple of weeks.
[SPEAKER_01]: So you really don't want him to be loose in a match to a guy not in the G1 before he starts the G1 kind of want him to strong.
[SPEAKER_01]: So I was thinking that he would win and I was very quietly relieved when he pulled out the drill killer in about 10 minutes.
[SPEAKER_01]: And it's a little bit different maybe from some of his other Death Rider folks, but, you know, he's he's he's a good wrestler.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm just I'm just always waiting for you know the moment when am I going to feel like Garcia's finally here, you know, and I'm going to have a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a
[SPEAKER_01]: I think there's had to come a point with him where he's not just using the the the the possibility of dancing and not his heel heat.
[SPEAKER_01]: He kind of gets extra removed all of that completely and like put down in the back mirror otherwise it's still the dancing is still a part of this gift even if he's like refusing to do it.
[SPEAKER_00]: And what I would call probably the worst match on the entire show, though, I didn't think it was a bad match.
[SPEAKER_00]: Micah beats Sky Blue to qualify for the last spot in the survival of fittest.
[SPEAKER_00]: Crowd is into it.
[SPEAKER_00]: Sky Blue just cheeses the half a second behind on stuff.
[SPEAKER_01]: She's got the look, but she got my gosh.
[SPEAKER_01]: This woman has the look.
[SPEAKER_01]: She's got the look, absolutely.
[SPEAKER_01]: the it has been a glacial rate of improvement.
[SPEAKER_01]: She has improved, but not nearly as much as other people who have been around as long and have surpassed her in many ways.
[SPEAKER_01]: But if she can figure it out and hit that next level, she is going to be very dominant in this in this business.
[SPEAKER_00]: uh... divine dominion against thunderous and a limpia i thought this match probably went a little bit too long but i get it was the main event of the pre-show they there's a tag team title matched you know they wanted to do something with divine dominion uh... making bane herself
[SPEAKER_00]: She should be a movie star.
[SPEAKER_00]: She should be an action movie star.
[SPEAKER_00]: She's got an incredible look and, you know, really the only thing she's missing is that like rock star charisma.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm not sure that it'll ever be there, but
[SPEAKER_00]: She is a specimen, a human, a human being that when you look at other human beings, you look at her and you go, hmm, you're made a little differently than the rest of us lady.
[SPEAKER_00]: But divine dominion is a good tag team and they're going to have a good match at whenever they're facing the birds.
[SPEAKER_00]: Whenever that happens, I think that's going to be a really good one.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's got to be, it should be at Wembley, maybe you have another match before that.
[SPEAKER_01]: You do, you do the Wimker big win at Wembley, you know, she didn't win her single title, but she wins it with her friend.
[SPEAKER_01]: And she gets over it in the ring with her tag title with Will at the very end of the show.
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, it's always kind of like,
[SPEAKER_00]: to happy to factor anyways, I saw thunder rosa out in the concessions, by the way, she was hanging out.
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know why she was out that that far out.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think she was hanging out with the fans.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think she was the outreach.
[SPEAKER_00]: She was kind of like,
[SPEAKER_00]: Somebody want to get a picture with her and I think she knew that person probably because she'd Russell in the Bay Area and she was like, okay, let's be quick because if I start taking pictures then I'm going to be here all day.
[SPEAKER_00]: And in the back of my mind, I was like, like, tempted to take here.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think you would, I think she would be pretty popular because she's a Bay Area or she has
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, it's not like she's shoot is not like if it was like Mercedes or something, but yeah, but I thought that was funny because she was she was clearly like If I do this, how many people are going to ask me how long The middle calculus of like it's a paper view.
[SPEAKER_01]: There's a lot of fans are out how long am I going to be here if I commit to one minute.
[SPEAKER_01]: Am I going to be here 20?
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm probably going to be here 12.
[SPEAKER_01]: So I have to find a minion.
[SPEAKER_01]: I have to say, the presentation of them when they came out for their entrance where they're got that like Amazonian video package and they're both coming like side by side.
[SPEAKER_01]: It looks like a fire and ice.
[SPEAKER_01]: And then they come out and it's just that like Evan Athens kind of song and everything about it is just it's so strong and act and I'm hoping that they get at least one show
[SPEAKER_01]: One paper view before all in, where they're not on the pre-show.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I agree.
[SPEAKER_01]: One of the matches have been on the pre-show.
[SPEAKER_01]: Up till recently, it was like the five minute challenge.
[SPEAKER_01]: Basically, the matches have passed the time until we get to all in.
[SPEAKER_01]: We got to have at least one where they're looking dominant on the paper view.
[SPEAKER_01]: So when you get to all in, you're conditioned to them after being on the main card.
[SPEAKER_00]: I would say that it's more about the current women's roster and opponents than it is about them.
[SPEAKER_00]: There's just nobody there for them, really.
[SPEAKER_00]: So I hope that they can create some teams, because that is, I don't know if they are the, they're not the road warriors in the sense of like,
[SPEAKER_00]: people are just rushing to see them in that way, but like they could be that dominant team, I think, for sure.
[SPEAKER_01]: They're like full on Amazonian to the women's roster.
[SPEAKER_01]: You know what I mean?
[SPEAKER_01]: Like they're just the tower above everyone else.
[SPEAKER_01]: And what's the one thing?
[SPEAKER_01]: One thing, get dominant and get a team of like, it's over.
[SPEAKER_01]: And so I'm looking forward to Jamie Hater, an outflender, and we're going across and they can be all getting in the ring.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I think that's going to be a
[SPEAKER_00]: I asked big Dave if he thought we were going to get over 9,000.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think we were both hoping for like 95.
[SPEAKER_00]: I was hoping outside for 10.
[SPEAKER_00]: The last Russell ticks number I saw, which would have been probably close to when the show started.
[SPEAKER_00]: They had it at over 9, but barely overnight.
[SPEAKER_00]: So I don't know exactly.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm sure Dave will have numbers at some point.
[SPEAKER_00]: So the opener of the show, young bucks against the sky team get shingo and Teton.
[SPEAKER_00]: The crowd was into this match.
[SPEAKER_00]: It was probably a tick under what I wanted it to be.
[SPEAKER_00]: There was a high degree of difficulty and a lot of the stuff they were trying to pull off.
[SPEAKER_00]: They did not always pull it off successfully.
[SPEAKER_00]: Agreed.
[SPEAKER_00]: True, all star, match, true, forbidden, or match, the kind of the matches that there's the reason for this paper view.
[SPEAKER_00]: I also, you know, I was also a little disappointed in the pageantry of it.
[SPEAKER_00]: They did play me, uh, me moreo.
[SPEAKER_01]: I, it was just a normal.
[SPEAKER_00]: They came out for it.
[SPEAKER_01]: There's a normal entrance.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: But there wasn't like that special thing to get the crowd.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like there was no like the crowd didn't take over and will not take it over by the song.
[SPEAKER_01]: It was just a song.
[SPEAKER_01]: I will say, Edgith entrance had more reaction for the process.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I mean, lots of singing.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_00]: But ultimately the bucks won the match you had noticed that they wore seahawks gear, which would be heel heat in the Bay Area.
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know what the announcer said about it, but they didn't really play heel all that much.
[SPEAKER_01]: Everybody tried to win and I think just the sense of like,
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, we're the home team on this crowd, but this is the Bay area and we got Mystico and Mascar Dorado.
[SPEAKER_01]: So what hedge that they're going to cheer them more than they're going to cheer us and we'll lean into that.
[SPEAKER_01]: And it just seemed kind of like you got to create a conflict somehow.
[SPEAKER_01]: So even if it's like maybe factored with just the right color scheme.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: So then we got Kenny Omega and Zach Saber Jr. You and I liked this a lot more than our buddy Miguel who was with us.
[SPEAKER_00]: He didn't really get into it as much.
[SPEAKER_00]: I thought it was excellent.
[SPEAKER_00]: It started at a little slow, but they built.
[SPEAKER_00]: It was Zach Saber Jr. being the ultimate asshole heal, which is so good at doing.
[SPEAKER_00]: I loved all of that stuff.
[SPEAKER_00]: And then when Kenny had to fire up,
[SPEAKER_00]: Angry Kenny Omega.
[SPEAKER_00]: Um, it was Zach had the muscle buster on him.
[SPEAKER_00]: And again, this is where the MMA in this match was a little bit more like progressing MMA versus the Moxley match.
[SPEAKER_00]: he was in the arm bar and the way that he got out of it was to lift my man up with the one arm that was being arm barred, which if you think about how an arm bar works, if you put more pressure on it, it's just going to give them more leverage to dislocate your elbow, but this is the pro wrestling version.
[SPEAKER_00]: Kenny kind of did a one out one arm power bomb broke out of it, and then I think
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know how many singles Kenny Omega matches I've been to live, maybe two or three.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's always special, you know, different than when you're going to tag match or an a multi-man match or anything like that, there's just something, you just, you know that these aren't, they don't come every day, and you had this at Sanford Junior, and that Sanford Junior is one of the best wrestlers in the world.
[SPEAKER_01]: don't know when or if they've ever wrestled each other in a competitive like a real like setting.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like chances aren't they really have it because of the intersections and their careers.
[SPEAKER_01]: And so this is kind of a fascinating match to me and I really really enjoyed it, but I don't think it was the best match that either one could have with each other.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I don't know if you were paying attention to this, but I guess all the line people were talking about how the story was in this match, that through the entirety of the match, Kenny was searching for searching to find his old version of himself, that championship version in New Japan.
[SPEAKER_01]: And so the crux of the was he founded it by the end of the match.
[SPEAKER_01]: And now he's he's in that championship mode.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm Kenny Omega.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm back.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm ready to I'm I'm the
[SPEAKER_00]: So that was the story they were telling on television.
[SPEAKER_01]: Was that he was he was finding his old the old version of himself that was the killer.
[SPEAKER_00]: Then we had John Moxie and Bandito.
[SPEAKER_00]: This was also really good.
[SPEAKER_00]: The size difference was like striking early on.
[SPEAKER_00]: And they played into it.
[SPEAKER_00]: Moxie's just bullying this dude over and over and over.
[SPEAKER_00]: Then finally, Bandito gets the advantage and he did this amazing.
[SPEAKER_00]: And there was a couple of times on this show where I held my breath and was just crossing my fingers, hoping nothing was gonna go wrong.
[SPEAKER_00]: But Bandito does that follow a flip slam off the top rope that backwards flip that he does.
[SPEAKER_00]: And Moxie is such a big dude.
[SPEAKER_00]: As Bandito is falling backward before he's tucking under, I'm just thinking like he's not doing it.
[SPEAKER_00]: The mocks is too heavy.
[SPEAKER_00]: He's too heavy.
[SPEAKER_00]: They're going down too fast.
[SPEAKER_01]: You've done it so loud.
[SPEAKER_01]: You're like, you too heavy.
[SPEAKER_01]: You too heavy.
[SPEAKER_00]: Bandito makes it work and I don't know if Moxos comes to pulling that one, but it happened and that was like, oh my god, that was so amazing that they pulled that off.
[SPEAKER_01]: He's amazing and mockly, he can work with almost anyone.
[SPEAKER_01]: He is so malleable with when he's in that ring.
[SPEAKER_01]: He finds a way to make a match work with anybody.
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, sometimes I think people kind of, they don't like the overselling.
[SPEAKER_00]: Sometimes like Mox can oversell and he can do that goofy cell.
[SPEAKER_00]: And sometimes he'll have these matches where
[SPEAKER_00]: you know that they're they're not as serious maybe as you would think they are considering he's like the death writer guy.
[SPEAKER_00]: This was not one of those matches.
[SPEAKER_00]: I thought everything that they did was pretty solid.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it was a violent match.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like you said, bullying, then, you know, Moxley did, it wasn't him, he tore his mask.
[SPEAKER_01]: He like, bit his face and bloody him up.
[SPEAKER_01]: They were both covered in blood.
[SPEAKER_01]: Each other blood in their own.
[SPEAKER_01]: They were spots of blood on Moxley's skull that I was literally like, how did that happen?
[SPEAKER_01]: How do you get a burn mark blood spot on the side of your skull?
[SPEAKER_01]: and nothing else seems to be affecting whatsoever.
[SPEAKER_01]: Totally blown away, and it wasn't even the most disgusting, like, one soaked moment that I saw in the show.
[SPEAKER_01]: There were one point where I saw stairs that were just covered in blood in the middle of, like, the rinse-side area and reflect the Jesus.
[SPEAKER_01]: Uh, but this one, you know, it was thrown together when I'm presuming Calum Newman was supposed to wrestle, uh, drunk honestly.
[SPEAKER_01]: That was, that has been the prevailing rumor slash suspicion for a while.
[SPEAKER_01]: And Bandito kind of came into the fray after Domingon when it was clear that, uh, Newman was not going to be able to wrestle.
[SPEAKER_01]: And for being the backup, I thought Bandito did a great job.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and we got, we sort of got clarity on that later.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, when we, when we were talking.
[SPEAKER_00]: So then Bandito did, he went for the 21plex.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think he slipped.
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know if it was, they were sweaty or whatever.
[SPEAKER_00]: But he kind of overshot, moxley, and he ended up on the apron on the other side.
[SPEAKER_00]: And then moxley just grabbed him in a choke, pulled him back through the ropes into the ring, and just had him in a choke, had him in a choke,
[SPEAKER_00]: gets moxley on his back so he kind of powers up and he's carrying this heavy dude in this choke and then so he has like one last hail Mary which is to fall in his back and right as he falls in his back mox sinks the choke in tighter and uh...
[SPEAKER_00]: He gets the tap, matches over.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I think Moxie, he's like, you know, he's like big up into these guys after he kicks their asses.
[SPEAKER_00]: He just like pat some on the back and shakes their hands, like good job.
[SPEAKER_00]: And that's right.
[SPEAKER_00]: And you're so good job then.
[SPEAKER_00]: Then I went to find food.
[SPEAKER_00]: You've got to go to your mental park and you look me dead in the eyes like you're at my moment Well, I had to go to the bathroom for what so that was like since I'm out I don't want to have to go back out to get food Let me see if I can find something real quick and you found a one single solitary option didn't you so bad like when when Rosentown on a Monday night on a Monday night They have all of the food options available
[SPEAKER_00]: There weren't, I mean, there were less people in the building today than the last 9,000 people are still serviceable amounts of people and the only thing I could find was
[SPEAKER_00]: Chicken tenders and fries and then you ended up getting that as well.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's like literally the only thing we could find and I think the people had realized the same thing as us so everyone just kind of went and so there's like a long line and I was just like come on guys you guys need to do better this so I missed most of this match.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I did get back to see the finish.
[SPEAKER_00]: And you said that it was fine for what it was maybe a little bit underwhelming, show to wins with the second chapter.
[SPEAKER_00]: And then moxley and showed a kind of face off, but Tanaashi comes out to wrap the belt around showed us waist.
[SPEAKER_00]: So talk a little bit about the match because I just missed like 90% of it.
[SPEAKER_01]: So you got showed it to me now, who just won the global title, and this was his first title to sex.
[SPEAKER_01]: And it was supposed to be Gabe Kit that was in this match, but Gabe Kit's visa did not clear.
[SPEAKER_01]: They pivoted to Pock.
[SPEAKER_01]: And what essentially they had was just a meme guy match in which
[SPEAKER_01]: That's long through the majority of the match because it's just, I get hit in the face.
[SPEAKER_01]: Rar, I'm going to hit you back with the forearm elbow, Rar.
[SPEAKER_01]: There are points when you do strong style in a match like this that it really works, but it's in fluidity with a bunch of other things like high speed moves and outside and all this stuff.
[SPEAKER_01]: And there were points later on in the match that were absolutely like, oh my god, you guys are
[SPEAKER_01]: but it never really felt like it got to the level of this is a special crossover match between New Japan and AEW.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I don't know if that's because Shota still having quite found his footing and trying to present himself as a champion.
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, he came down and every three seconds, he would open up his coat wide and show the belt.
[SPEAKER_01]: And he'd walk five feet and open up his coat wide, show the belt again and I'm like,
[SPEAKER_01]: You want a champion now?
[SPEAKER_01]: The first time you've had or how to belt it for 10 times right in the win one.
[SPEAKER_01]: Good job by you.
[SPEAKER_01]: We get it.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think the spot of the match was probably when Pock.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, it looks at it for there was a table set up outside the ring between the ring and the announced tables and later on in the match.
[SPEAKER_01]: Pock basically dead lifted and.
[SPEAKER_01]: through Shota over his shoulders, recklessly into the table.
[SPEAKER_01]: He could have killed him.
[SPEAKER_01]: I get that it was one of those.
[SPEAKER_01]: We got to, we got to just crazy in whatever, but I don't do the oh my god, a whole lot, but I did the oh my god, what are you guys doing?
[SPEAKER_01]: What's that looks fun?
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, that that one was going around Twitter.
[SPEAKER_00]: I saw.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it was shocking in the moment.
[SPEAKER_01]: It would be like all of a sudden they're doing a match and they're fighting on the ropes and all of a sudden pockets throws them.
[SPEAKER_01]: Just pick up the full 250 pound man and just heave him over the ring into the table and not just under the front side of the table.
[SPEAKER_01]: Sure, I'll clear the table completely.
[SPEAKER_00]: We got to see President Tanahashi come out and, you know, did that act of wrestler anymore?
[SPEAKER_00]: He's not necessarily in fighting shape.
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, do you kind of remind of me of though?
[SPEAKER_00]: And this is gonna sound really negative, but I love the person who I'm making fun of at the same time.
[SPEAKER_00]: He kind of reminds me a little bit of when Elvis got fat,
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, because Tadahashi is kind of like the Elvis of AEW, like the famous, the coolest dude of all time, you know, and then he kind of let himself go a little bit cut the hair doesn't look as is iconic as he used to.
[SPEAKER_00]: And he just looked like a normal dude out there, I could tell he's not happy with his physique because his shirt underneath his blazer was kind of baggy and like, you know, just you can just tell, but if anybody deserves to kind of chill out and and let them self go a little bit for the amount of things that this man put himself through just to entertain us as
[SPEAKER_00]: you are you deserve it and but it was just something that like kind of was shocking to me.
[SPEAKER_00]: I was like, Wow, Elvis, Elvis.
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't need to be replaced with surgery so we can get back into the gym and do some work out because I want you to walk and I don't even think you can work out.
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, I think like it.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, just I, it's not, it's not a making fun of thing, it's just like, oh my gosh, man, it's been simple, since you're like, imagine, I don't think you're able to get a whole lot of physical fitness.
[SPEAKER_01]: And that's not great.
[SPEAKER_00]: We had a Teclan starlight kid and we'll have this conversation a little bit.
[SPEAKER_00]: I thought that this was the better of the two women's matches on this show.
[SPEAKER_00]: Teclan then at the post show press conference came into the press conference dressed like Starlight kid in her mask.
[SPEAKER_00]: And then it was like doing little girl Japanese voice at the same time.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm not sure.
[SPEAKER_01]: that was comfortable.
[SPEAKER_00]: That wasn't as funny as she thought it was, you know, I mean, you know, she's not a US native.
[SPEAKER_00]: So she's not going to be 100% you know, sure of the culture and stuff and she's probably wrestled longer in Japan than she has in the US.
[SPEAKER_00]: So,
[SPEAKER_00]: you know, maybe that that's a way to get heat in Japan news.
[SPEAKER_01]: I kind of backstage promo works for work from the Japan style.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: Somebody should probably have that conversation with her about how it's not going to land very well with these A to be friends.
[SPEAKER_00]: But.
[SPEAKER_00]: woman deserves some kudos because she is an amazing talent.
[SPEAKER_00]: She's an amazing heal.
[SPEAKER_00]: She's going to be an even better baby face.
[SPEAKER_00]: She's so expressive.
[SPEAKER_00]: She's so charismatic.
[SPEAKER_00]: You can see everything on her face and in her in her moves and her aggression and her emotion.
[SPEAKER_00]: She was picking on the president alcada again in in who is there in the front row just taking a
[SPEAKER_00]: just must enjoy it like just takes beatings from tecla stands there and just gets beat up.
[SPEAKER_00]: And Starlight Kid was really good in the match.
[SPEAKER_00]: There were a couple moments where I could tell Starlight Kid was like, go, go, go, go, go, go, go.
[SPEAKER_00]: And Tecla was like, okay, let's hang out a little bit and just let the crowd soak it in.
[SPEAKER_00]: But I would love to see starlight kid again.
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know, you know, we, you and I had talked about how I almost wish Techlet didn't have the belt, so she could just go through all the start, the start of women who come into the US and they just have to, you know, for the president's honor and Techlet just got a send a back like that.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think would be amazing, but she's the champion.
[SPEAKER_00]: So they cannot do that.
[SPEAKER_00]: Um, I don't know, man, this woman's got it.
[SPEAKER_00]: I, it's unfortunate that there isn't a Tony storm here right now.
[SPEAKER_00]: We do have a Mercedes and we'll get to the Mercedes thing in a second.
[SPEAKER_00]: But, um, she, she's almost without peer right now in who she wrestles.
[SPEAKER_00]: So she just stands out and kind of eats everyone up because she's also so good on the mic.
[SPEAKER_00]: So I don't know what they're going to do until we get to all in.
[SPEAKER_01]: NJF is probably the most valuable player for AEW, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: There is a real argument that in 2026, Tecla has carried the women's division on her back in a number of ways, with Mercedes not being there and Tony kind of disappearing for reasons that we're not quite sure.
[SPEAKER_01]: She's the one that you go to every month for that match and she was the one you went back to for this one and you're absolutely right when she get to the point where she's a baby face and she's calling all those stupid bitches don't cut that crowd is going to go insane.
[SPEAKER_01]: they're going to lose their mind every time she does that to one of the bad guys and then that guy is getting to get mad and she backs it up like that's what you want to see if you want to see it bad at so you can back up that back talk and she's that she's the mold right but she doesn't exactly what you want out of out of your bad guy champion is talk to a lot of crap but that could
[SPEAKER_01]: I am so impressed with TECLA in 2020, 6th.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, she stands out in a very good way.
[SPEAKER_00]: In a very different way.
[SPEAKER_00]: Tony Storm stands out in a very specific way.
[SPEAKER_00]: Mercedes, Monet stands out in a very specific way.
[SPEAKER_00]: Tackle stands out in a very specific way.
[SPEAKER_00]: Willow stands out in a very specific way.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I think there's a reason why those four women kind of stand above the rest of them because they're unique.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I really, yeah, really enjoyed her.
[SPEAKER_01]: And this is going to give you a sound a little weird and a little specific and I hope you follow me when I say this, I think that will I think that Mercedes and I think that Tony have command of the camera, but I think tech laughs control of the camera.
[SPEAKER_00]: Techless like.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, she should be she's like directing her own segments.
[SPEAKER_01]: She said you do this.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm like try and follow me Okay, keep up very photogenic like she yeah, she's in control very that very much seems so okay
[SPEAKER_00]: uh... coping Christian against the dogs was really more about the surprise the match was good long heat spot so that we could get the hot tag to copeland i was wondering if it was too long of a heat spot because when they when they tag copeland you know he got a pop that the crowd wasn't too too hot for it
[SPEAKER_00]: But then that wasn't the end of the match.
[SPEAKER_00]: And David finally busted out with the Shalali Pop's Christian Pop's Copeland.
[SPEAKER_00]: And then the lights go out.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I did not know it to expect.
[SPEAKER_00]: I didn't know if it was the return of Alster Black.
[SPEAKER_00]: I didn't know if the Boogie Man was coming to get us.
[SPEAKER_00]: And lo and behold, we see the bang bang club on the, uh, on the stage.
[SPEAKER_00]: And there's a spotlight over them.
[SPEAKER_00]: They were like posing.
[SPEAKER_00]: They were doing their pose.
[SPEAKER_01]: So they're reading them.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: And then, uh, all of a sudden, there was a shadow of a human in the ring.
[SPEAKER_00]: And they turned the lights back on.
[SPEAKER_00]: And it was Jay White and Jay White attacks David Finley.
[SPEAKER_00]: gives him the blade runner allows edge to pin him and they kept their tag team titles.
[SPEAKER_00]: So Jay White is back.
[SPEAKER_00]: The bang bang gang's going to feud with the dogs.
[SPEAKER_00]: However, why was Jay White so buddy buddy with Copeland and Caged was that were they friends?
[SPEAKER_01]: They were friends before the edge or Copeland and Jay.
[SPEAKER_01]: were chasing the title together, but they were both kind of hunting mobically at the time.
[SPEAKER_01]: And then J.
[SPEAKER_01]: White got her with the foot, but they were they were broke.
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_00]: But it was just, they were broke.
[SPEAKER_00]: Christian was a heal at that time, which is why Christian was kind of pissed that J.
[SPEAKER_00]: White was there.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, Christian, no, no, no, no, no.
[SPEAKER_01]: He's my friend.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: He's my friend.
[SPEAKER_00]: He's like snatched the belts out from from J.
[SPEAKER_00]: But that was a good moment.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's because like it's so funny because
[SPEAKER_00]: Right for that match starts I turn over to to big Dave Melter who was a couple seats away from us, and I was like, there's, you did you hear about any surprises because like that's also a good thing for some of these paper views of surprises and he's like, nope, I'm hearing anything.
[SPEAKER_00]: I was like, yeah, there's not really been anything teased.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I say that, and then the very next match, J1.
[SPEAKER_01]: You can't have felt here.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_01]: So I kind of, I kind of felt that we were, we were in need of something.
[SPEAKER_01]: Here's the credit.
[SPEAKER_01]: I got to give Tony Colin and that is.
[SPEAKER_01]: In 2022, J.
[SPEAKER_01]: White is 22, 22, 23, J.
[SPEAKER_01]: White is leaving Newspand Pro Wrestling and you've got a match in San Jose versus Eddie Kingston and it is a loser with Newspand match and J.
[SPEAKER_01]: White loses the match and then proceeds to get ambushed.
[SPEAKER_01]: by one David Finley, who then taped over the bullet club and Jay White leave to go to AEW.
[SPEAKER_01]: This was literally, literally down the street four years ago from the SAPC Center when Jay White returned in San Jose, and in that image of her revenge against David Finley, because he's been waiting this long.
[SPEAKER_01]: for that one moment to do it, and the fact that Tony Connor remembered all of this, the fact that he executed all of this at a New Japan centric paperview in San Jose, I'm going to tip my catch up because that's one of those plans where you're like, if we can ever do this right, this would be great, any.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I was just like, what I realized all of this, and I was like, you sound a bitch, you actually,
[SPEAKER_01]: you actually pulled all this off and you you remember all of this and he's done this before you know like don't be matches or there'd be a call back to a move or like somebody will do something and it'll have the opposite effect of the last time the move happened he's he's got this kind of mirror parallel structure with some of his angles so shouldn't have surprised me but it was really well done and like I said I just wanted to
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I remember it's very specifically.
[SPEAKER_00]: So then we got some Mercedes and my world.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I will say this.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think this is going to be the most polarizing match from fans.
[SPEAKER_00]: And Mercedes already had a tweet.
[SPEAKER_00]: out there about our good friend Dave Meltzer Mercedes was at the presser.
[SPEAKER_00]: Her character is to be mean to the media.
[SPEAKER_00]: She was very mean to the media.
[SPEAKER_00]: She walked for you.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think she saw big Dave in the front row and she did kind of like an eye roll and a sigh.
[SPEAKER_00]: And if you want to know why I personally,
[SPEAKER_00]: do not want to be involved in these pressers.
[SPEAKER_00]: It is because of stuff like that where you have to kind of lean into the K-fabe of it all into the character and I do not want to be part of the act.
[SPEAKER_00]: I just want to ask normal questions and I just want to treat this thing like it's real.
[SPEAKER_00]: Mercedes, Monet, not to the character of Mercedes Monet.
[SPEAKER_00]: Now, that is completely up to her, and it's completely up to Tony Con and how he wants them to do it, but I just don't have to be involved.
[SPEAKER_00]: So it's stuff like that as to why I don't want to be involved in those pressures.
[SPEAKER_00]: But on the flip side, you had Will Osprey, who was very human.
[SPEAKER_00]: This was the young man who before he became the wrestler
[SPEAKER_00]: That was good.
[SPEAKER_00]: Techlet very much in character.
[SPEAKER_00]: Tony, you know, you could ask Tony stuff.
[SPEAKER_00]: You may not hear me not answer it, but you could definitely ask Tony stuff.
[SPEAKER_01]: So the well they're turning that dude head all the time.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, constantly.
[SPEAKER_00]: So, you know, that the Mercedes thing is the Mercedes thing.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm a giant fan of her as a as Sasha Banks and as Mercedes Monet.
[SPEAKER_00]: So that doesn't kind of color how I saw this match.
[SPEAKER_00]: Also her handling of that sometimes criticism does not also color what I thought of the match I was looking at the match for what the match was I think that there was a really really good match inside the idea of what they had I don't think my herself is at the level of Mercedes I thought Mercedes did an awesome job.
[SPEAKER_00]: I hate to use the word carrying because there are two people in there.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'll use the term ring general ship.
[SPEAKER_00]: You could tell Mercedes was leading things in that match and making sure that match is going the way that she thought it should go in many cases.
[SPEAKER_00]: I couldn't tell if Maya had an issue with her wardrobe or with her hair or did she get her bell rung because there were moments in that match where you could tell they were stalling.
[SPEAKER_00]: You could tell that things just were not working out.
[SPEAKER_00]: They were trying to do a spot and they'd have to repeat it and then after repeated it and I was just saying like, just stop, like just do something else.
[SPEAKER_00]: Right.
[SPEAKER_00]: I also thought the match was a little bit too long.
[SPEAKER_00]: There were moments where I thought they needed to go home.
[SPEAKER_00]: But here's where I'll give Mercedes credit.
[SPEAKER_00]: At the moment where I thought they should go home and I was kind of like, oh, my gosh, this is turning into not great.
[SPEAKER_00]: She kind of pulled it back.
[SPEAKER_00]: She was like, no, we are doing this.
[SPEAKER_00]: They went into this omission spot where Maya put Mercedes's own bank statement on her and then Mercedes got it on Maya and then.
[SPEAKER_00]: They had one of the best reach for the rope to break the submission spots that I've seen in a long time.
[SPEAKER_00]: The fans were trying to will Maya to get to the rope, but then they did transition transition and finally Mercedes beat her with that move.
[SPEAKER_00]: I know that there were, I would say that sounds it crowd.
[SPEAKER_00]: was very kind and very much trying to will this match into greatness.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I saw stuff online where this was like the greatest match in women's history of a W I saw some of that stuff and I was like, okay, I didn't see that match at all.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think if they were able to do it again, they would probably have a better match.
[SPEAKER_00]: We didn't get to see the TV version, we only saw the live version, so maybe there were things on TV that they could have hid that we actually did see.
[SPEAKER_00]: But yeah, I think this is going to be super polarizing.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I am, it is, it is on the lesser end of the matches for me tonight than on the higher end.
[SPEAKER_01]: But I thought over the week is back on the show even worse than the sky blue match.
[SPEAKER_01]: No, I'm in the main show.
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_01]: The main show the main card.
[SPEAKER_00]: The only match that I thought was probably slightly less than this and it was because
[SPEAKER_00]: They did like a lot of old school tag team matching it was the tag team title match.
[SPEAKER_00]: But that match had good wrestling in it.
[SPEAKER_00]: It was just set up in a specific way to be the surprise thing.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I thought they were pretty close to three and a quarter stars three and a half star.
[SPEAKER_00]: Whatever you want to whatever that means, but that was the only match that I thought was probably on the same level or worse.
[SPEAKER_01]: The way I look at this match is that the right person one, even though people really wanted my a-world to win.
[SPEAKER_01]: I just, I do not see Mercedes-Monae not having a plan for Wendley while my a-world does potentially get to Tecla.
[SPEAKER_01]: If you just say it out loud, my a-world versus Tecla and Mercedes-Monae versus Tecla at all in, you know the answer to that question.
[SPEAKER_01]: With that said, I thought,
[SPEAKER_01]: all the credit in the world to my world for when she would have, are you ready for this opportunity?
[SPEAKER_01]: She said yes, even though she potentially was it because yes, it's the right answer.
[SPEAKER_00]: Step up to the plate.
[SPEAKER_01]: You stepped up to the plate.
[SPEAKER_01]: You did what you had to do.
[SPEAKER_01]: You bent to the dance.
[SPEAKER_01]: You're going to be to the dance again.
[SPEAKER_01]: It might take a year and might take two.
[SPEAKER_01]: but she's got a solid following with a sandwich.
[SPEAKER_01]: She's got opportunities.
[SPEAKER_01]: She's already made the most of every opportunity.
[SPEAKER_01]: Remember, like, she got her foot in the door after the T. Genox saying in the first place.
[SPEAKER_01]: So this woman knows how to be in the right place at the right time and knows that she has to work hard to get where she needs to be.
[SPEAKER_01]: This was not her best performance, but that has everything to do with the fact that she's young and she's not quiet as it's very active for cities Monet.
[SPEAKER_01]: you were talking about them in the ring together, and there were things that required two people to execute a move.
[SPEAKER_01]: And based off of evidence of everything that I've seen, it wasn't Mercedes Monet that was unable to execute their part of the move.
[SPEAKER_01]: So when I see that, and I said, you want to give by a world the benefit of the doubt.
[SPEAKER_01]: Now you can't give for the benefit of help.
[SPEAKER_01]: I saw that happen two times in a row, and then they had to pivot to something else, and it wasn't the first time that happened.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's not to say it wasn't
[SPEAKER_01]: It was a bad match.
[SPEAKER_01]: It just was not that's not it was it was the worst match on the show on a show of universally good matches.
[SPEAKER_01]: So there has to be a bottom one and this was the bottom and there just by thinking and that's where I said and and Maya was great.
[SPEAKER_00]: She is she won two matches
[SPEAKER_00]: had she been on dynamite more than three times prior to this.
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't think so.
[SPEAKER_00]: I can't remember.
[SPEAKER_00]: And yet still was able to step up to the play, be at on a paper view with a high level of wrestling.
[SPEAKER_00]: And while I did not think it was the greatest match, there were a lot of people that thought
[SPEAKER_00]: story with her match with her skill and, you know, just so much respect to her for everything that she's been through and how professional she's been and the best of luck to her because you hope people who are able to deal with these things, you know, they get something out of it and Tony Con said at the press conference that he thinks that she's going to be around and that she's going to be on AW and on TV and such.
[SPEAKER_00]: Let's go.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, him saying that he didn't act to have planned for her until she showed up for work in Cincinnati.
[SPEAKER_01]: And then he's like, all right, let's do it.
[SPEAKER_01]: And then he went with it.
[SPEAKER_01]: And that just tells him it's like, the opportunities are there if you show up.
[SPEAKER_00]: The match that we thought was gonna be last was the cage match and they used the circular cage.
[SPEAKER_00]: What did Tony call this match again?
[SPEAKER_00]: The Death Door.
[SPEAKER_00]: Death's Death's Door.
[SPEAKER_01]: Um, I do your notes on it and then we'll figure out like we'll figure out what we need to talk.
[SPEAKER_00]: I didn't, I didn't actually didn't write a lot about this because it was too much going on.
[SPEAKER_00]: Um, this is if you want like the perfect mix, the perfect stew of what I like about a
[SPEAKER_00]: There was a lot of silliness early on.
[SPEAKER_00]: There was a lot of, uh, Gaga early on.
[SPEAKER_00]: Um, each of the baby faces brought in like a backpack of secret weapons, though, Ticketchitas was just a middle finger that he put no kind of space for the funny group.
[SPEAKER_01]: He is the secret weapon.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, uh, Darby brought out thumbtacks.
[SPEAKER_00]: Um,
[SPEAKER_00]: That was Darby too.
[SPEAKER_00]: So did he have two backpacks or was that orange just backpack?
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know.
[SPEAKER_00]: But there was a booby trap that Kevin Knight got exploded on and he fell all the way through a table There was an Nintendo entertainment system from 1985 in the Calariley's backpack that he used the bust open Kyle Fletcher
[SPEAKER_01]: I googled it, and I figured Kyle went to the game store, the pavement game store down the street, like five minutes away, Vaughn and Nintendo's like, we're doing this.
[SPEAKER_00]: Somebody said that Tony Khan said that that machine was worth a lot of money, and uh, I don't know.
[SPEAKER_00]: What a cow pay for it.
[SPEAKER_00]: You think 30 bucks?
[SPEAKER_01]: She got that for 30 bucks.
[SPEAKER_01]: It clearly didn't work already.
[SPEAKER_00]: But, you know, there is a lot of people who enjoy that stuff because it is cute.
[SPEAKER_00]: And it reminds them of their childhood.
[SPEAKER_00]: And it does like, oh, Kyle, it's like me, because I played.
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, good.
[SPEAKER_00]: I completely understand that.
[SPEAKER_00]: I just think it's silly.
[SPEAKER_00]: These guys hate each other so much that they have to be in this new circular cage called Death's Door.
[SPEAKER_00]: And my man pulled out a Nintendo entertainment system to fight with it stuff like that where I go okay like I get the joke
[SPEAKER_00]: but it's not consistent with how the build was for this thing.
[SPEAKER_00]: So anyway, there was stuff that I did like when Ocata and Takeshita and Andrade and MGF, when they all had their little things, I still think the Andrade and MGF stuff is the best stuff.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I think they think that too, because the end of the match was on Draw Day having enough of MGF shit.
[SPEAKER_00]: And basically taking off his, uh, his team shirt and having a fuck M. J. F. And fuck down Calus shirt underneath.
[SPEAKER_00]: And he actually drilled M. J. F. For the beautiful spinning back elbow that looked great.
[SPEAKER_00]: It was beautiful life.
[SPEAKER_00]: He didn't pin, they didn't pin M. J. F. The, which I thought was interesting, they pin Jack Doyle instead.
[SPEAKER_00]: J. J. J. J. J. J. J. J. J. J. Riller on Jack Doyle.
[SPEAKER_00]: I believe, right?
[SPEAKER_00]: Jack Doyle.
[SPEAKER_00]: Jake Doyle.
[SPEAKER_01]: Jake Doyle.
[SPEAKER_00]: But yeah, Darby does the the coffin drop off the top of the cage.
[SPEAKER_00]: Kevin night goes from the top of the cage through a table.
[SPEAKER_01]: They have a golden gilded MJ or DCMJF table that Kevin night ended up going through and all the heels are wearing matching shirts and all the baby bases have matching back.
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, it was making up for anarchy in the arena or whatever that was last time where they couldn't do any blood.
[SPEAKER_01]: Boy, you got blood on this one.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: Ultimately, by the end, there was really exciting stuff.
[SPEAKER_00]: Jay got his win.
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, Mark got his win with Jay Driller.
[SPEAKER_00]: He's going to rush showed up.
[SPEAKER_00]: Leo rush showed up in a bag, which was really funny.
[SPEAKER_01]: Um, and then he would remove by being put back into the bag and shut up and thrown under the ring.
[SPEAKER_01]: And presumably still there now.
[SPEAKER_00]: And, uh, they're going to have a match M.J.F.
[SPEAKER_00]: against Mark Briscoe on Wednesday in San Diego.
[SPEAKER_00]: And Tony Connell's like, you guys should come.
[SPEAKER_00]: I was like, I would love to, but I have a job.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I was like, that would be cool.
[SPEAKER_00]: I can't.
[SPEAKER_00]: Um, so yeah, ultimately it served its purpose.
[SPEAKER_00]: I know a lot of people loved it.
[SPEAKER_00]: I loved pieces of it, but I don't I just don't like the silliness when they promise us something else.
[SPEAKER_00]: All right.
[SPEAKER_00]: Let me ask you this real quick and draw it.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, if he going after MJF or is he going after the title or is he going to be involved with fighting off various members of the Don't count family for the next several months.
[SPEAKER_01]: Why?
[SPEAKER_00]: And they're going to have to stall him.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm guessing and by the time they stall him, MJF may not have a title anymore.
[SPEAKER_01]: Absolutely.
[SPEAKER_01]: I've kind of taken like he got a revenge on MJF, but now he's got a whole 14 guys that all want like a piece of his ass.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, whatever they're doing with Andrade is working though.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's it's amazing compared to his WWE run.
[SPEAKER_00]: He's he's cooking right now.
[SPEAKER_00]: I love seeing it because I've been an Andrade guy.
[SPEAKER_00]: I can't say OG because I wasn't back in the day back in the day when he was in CML and stuff.
[SPEAKER_00]: But, um,
[SPEAKER_00]: when he was an NXT, I was like, this this dude is is he's going to be the man and it's just never worked out.
[SPEAKER_01]: Now we're trying on for a rocky 10 years.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, now we're seeing it.
[SPEAKER_00]: So, all right, main event will Osprey, sort of we talked a little bit about some of the issues that people may have had with the match.
[SPEAKER_00]: chemistry wise, physically wise, being on the same page wise, these guys are awesome will said that.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think he called Swarve his best mate for the last 10 years in that press conference.
[SPEAKER_01]: One of it, that thinks.
[SPEAKER_00]: And he just basically said, like,
[SPEAKER_00]: he, they are just so good together, but they were chasing the same thing.
[SPEAKER_00]: And they shared a little moment after the match was over.
[SPEAKER_00]: And so the ending of the match was actually kind of cool.
[SPEAKER_00]: I kind of made fun of it a little bit because of what it reminded me of, but
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, that these guys were going hard hard and then there would be moments where they would just kind of stop and rest and and hard hard and they would stop and rest.
[SPEAKER_00]: They'd look in the crowd and they'd set the get the audience set to get ready for whatever there were there was a moment where they did like the double down thing and the crowd just got crazy into it.
[SPEAKER_00]: at this point all of the deathwriters have come to ringside.
[SPEAKER_00]: So Osprey takes this move and his face turns and it turns towards the deathwriters.
[SPEAKER_00]: And he no sells the fuck out of this kick.
[SPEAKER_00]: Hulk's up like he's Hulk Hogan in 1986.
[SPEAKER_00]: fires up and then we get to the end of the match.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's a tiger driver 91, which I jokingly called on the fight game podcast with John the Rock as the finish.
[SPEAKER_00]: And then he so you got the match and he and Swarov shared a moment after Swarov was bleeding like crazy.
[SPEAKER_00]: Osprey was bleeding as well.
[SPEAKER_00]: You took a photo of the ring steps because they used the ring steps and they put it near
[SPEAKER_00]: And I mean, I have a feeling this is going to be talked about as one of the best matches of the year.
[SPEAKER_01]: Right now, there's what four of them.
[SPEAKER_01]: They're four candidates.
[SPEAKER_01]: I would say for match of the year.
[SPEAKER_01]: You ready for them?
[SPEAKER_00]: Tana Hashio Kata.
[SPEAKER_01]: Roman and punk.
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_01]: El Grande Americano versus El Grande Americano in this.
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think all four of them people will try and argue with that's match of the year.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think Ocata and Tana Hashie and this one stand a little bit above the other two.
[SPEAKER_01]: I would agree with that.
[SPEAKER_01]: I would just say that those are the four of the people trying to introduce an argue.
[SPEAKER_00]: How can you beat Tana Hashie Ocata though?
[SPEAKER_01]: I, you and I have talked about this where there should have been two different contests.
[SPEAKER_01]: You have bats in the ears, Tana Hashie Ocata.
[SPEAKER_01]: You have another contest for the runner up.
[SPEAKER_00]: the only thing that hurts Tata Hashio Kata is that it happened on the fourth day of the calendar year.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, just mean everyone had something then it would up to.
[SPEAKER_00]: But also there's this recent thing, you know, that that that could it could be to.
[SPEAKER_01]: This was a really, this match felt special, you know what I mean?
[SPEAKER_01]: Like, there were
[SPEAKER_01]: I think I looked to you and I said this kind of feels like the final to the G1, you know, where it's just like, you know, for all the marbles and you know that like you're going to the big, the big show and the big match and you want this one guy to win, but you're not quite sure, like they could, they could do this to you.
[SPEAKER_01]: They done it before, you know, you saw Will didn't win last
[SPEAKER_01]: But they're a bit of pat.
[SPEAKER_01]: And they didn't do it.
[SPEAKER_01]: They stuck to their guns.
[SPEAKER_01]: We got all the, and got to what you thought was going to happen in the most vicious violent and AEW way that you could probably do.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I think everybody did their job exceptionally well.
[SPEAKER_01]: I continued to be amazed and impressed that Osprey,
[SPEAKER_01]: Two different fusion and he's back and he's just he's wrestling 35 minute matches and he's killing himself and he seems to be fine after these matches and I'm just like We're world-reliven, but man, I had a blast watching this show and when this when this match is over, I'm like, I'm really looking forward to looking next.
[SPEAKER_00]: There were two things in the press conference that caught my eye.
[SPEAKER_00]: One of them was when Big Dave asked him if he had seen the news that WWE is running head-to-head against all in with two shows.
[SPEAKER_00]: Actually, there's a AAA show and there's an NXT show back to back from the same building.
[SPEAKER_00]: This is not a WWE show with a main roster, but we'll see how this NXT show that was today, we'll get that number on Tuesday.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think Tuesday evening, as far as you're rating is concerned, and then we didn't get a pay per view by number tonight, Dave Ashtone, Tony, Tony didn't have it.
[SPEAKER_00]: And then,
[SPEAKER_00]: And then the other question was about his creative process.
[SPEAKER_00]: And he said that after 2019,
[SPEAKER_00]: he had decided that his creative process was going to be more him writing the shows outline and then collaborating with his team after he had put together the outline because what previously was happening was everyone collaborated on the outline and so I could imagine there was a little bit more chaotic doing it that way rather than then you go in with structure
[SPEAKER_00]: and thought it was successful.
[SPEAKER_00]: And then around 2022, he said it changed.
[SPEAKER_00]: And he sort of compared it to like a diet, how you can be out of diet, and then you fall off of the diet.
[SPEAKER_00]: So he talked about in 2022, he kind of fell off of the diet.
[SPEAKER_00]: And he wasn't doing the collaboration in the way that he wanted to.
[SPEAKER_00]: And then he kind of reminded himself in 2024.
[SPEAKER_00]: and then he believes that that has helped the creative process because he thinks that they're doing a much better job.
[SPEAKER_00]: So he trusts his instincts to basically write the show or at least write most of the strong pieces of it and then collaborate with people to kind of fill in the blanks.
[SPEAKER_00]: I thought that was interesting.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's a, it makes sense to do it that way.
[SPEAKER_00]: But that's a lot of thinking for one person to do that.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's a lot of him keeping things in order and together.
[SPEAKER_00]: And that's incredible that they do it that way.
[SPEAKER_00]: But to him, that's the better way for the creative process.
[SPEAKER_01]: Did you ever get a sense that when some of his talent was talking at the table?
[SPEAKER_01]: Like you was watching his talent, but you could also see like the wheels turning in his head when they would say something and you would think about like, you almost see him like thinking of an idea that he was like baking in the back of his head.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: And as they're talking, then I don't want one of those was
[SPEAKER_00]: Will talking about how frustrating it was to deal with his neck injury, the healing part of it.
[SPEAKER_00]: And in our discord, lady B said, I wish they would have told that story on his comeback.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I said, well, they told some of it before he left.
[SPEAKER_00]: You remember the promo of his son holding his hand.
[SPEAKER_00]: And he didn't realize that his son was holding his hand because his hand was numb or something like that.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I said, while we were watching, we'll tell this very personable story.
[SPEAKER_00]: By the way, this is the will that needs to cut promos.
[SPEAKER_00]: Not the want to be Rick Flair will that we've been seeing the last couple weeks.
[SPEAKER_00]: This will, I told him all of it.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'll probably put it up on our YouTube.
[SPEAKER_00]: This version of Will Osprey is friggin' great, like the thoughtful Will Osprey.
[SPEAKER_00]: So I think as he was telling us, all right, could see Tony Khan's kind of mind working a little bit of like, this is good stuff, you know?
[SPEAKER_00]: So yeah, that was good, like the pressure's the pressure.
[SPEAKER_00]: Sadly, maybe not sadly.
[SPEAKER_00]: Maybe this is what it should be.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's just a lot of wrestling fans who do stuff and they want to ask like wrestling centric questions and a lot of the times it just gives Tony the opportunity to talk about how good AWS is about.
[SPEAKER_00]: like there was a rare occasion where he had to really think about something.
[SPEAKER_00]: So, you know, I don't know, maybe I may, if we ever get this again, maybe I'll go back on my on my non-pressor thing and actually will ask a question.
[SPEAKER_00]: I won't ask that the wrestlers who are in K-Fate, but maybe I will.
[SPEAKER_00]: kind of talk through certain things that I'm interested in.
[SPEAKER_00]: I was just like I'm not doing this because I've said so many times that I'm not doing it people are going to think I'm a hypocrite if I do it so I'm not and but maybe next time maybe if I can see it next time there were definitely like three or four people near us that was that just came back for more just another question I'm ready to do another one none of the questions were super great but.
[SPEAKER_01]: They, if, if they open up, like, conversations need to be talked about.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's not for those guys.
[SPEAKER_01]: They white somebody talked about business and, like, potentially, next April, you know, like, all of the things that people wanted to talk about.
[SPEAKER_01]: I seem to be covered, but it wasn't like we were getting the analytical question that forced Tony Con to really reveal some information here.
[SPEAKER_00]: This is the inside baseball of it all.
[SPEAKER_00]: Right.
[SPEAKER_00]: Back in the day.
[SPEAKER_00]: When the reporters were mostly writers, you would ask a question that would be an angle towards what you were going to write about based on the event you just saw, and there are very few writers in there who were going to write columns about an angle from the show.
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, we have podcasts.
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't plan to write a column on on the show.
[SPEAKER_00]: If I thought about it, and if I had the time, you know, if I had six or seven hours to really, really write something spectacular, at least to my at my level.
[SPEAKER_00]: Then, you know, maybe I would think about it, but because there are not writers writing pieces, the questions kind of go all over the place and is really just for their own curiosity or for, you know, them to film themselves to put it on YouTube, like you said, then I guess that is sort of a beat in of itself, if you have a YouTube channel, and you want to ask questions about that, but
[SPEAKER_00]: We did get our own little personal scrum at the end there as we were leaving.
[SPEAKER_00]: Dave, I think Tony kind of flagged Dave down and Dave ran out and we're like, where's Dave going?
[SPEAKER_00]: And then he came back and he's, yeah, come over here and Tony's like, yeah, come by wherever his office was for the night because it was in a building and we just got to shoot the stuff with them for like 20 minutes.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think most people can tell, um, he's just a very good nature person.
[SPEAKER_00]: Um, very likable.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, no, one to one basis, just genuinely interested in you and what you're about.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I can see why the talent, why too so much.
[SPEAKER_00]: I, uh, you taught you told him about the, the J.
[SPEAKER_00]: White thing that you had picked up, and I think he kind of dug it that you picked it up.
[SPEAKER_00]: Um, I was almost going to say, this guy does a New Japan podcast, but I didn't want to embarrass you.
[SPEAKER_00]: Um, whatever.
[SPEAKER_00]: And, and then I, I jokingly said,
[SPEAKER_00]: he's like I think he is like he's the same age as me and so you know we're talking attitude era stuff or when he's a little kid I don't know if that means he's actively arresting fan but he does understand kind of wrestling from his teenage and early adult years I'm sure um but you know I know I don't know David I like I know David Ellison
[SPEAKER_00]: I, I, I know enough about that Hollywood kind of business stuff to know a decent amount about him.
[SPEAKER_00]: I just know his dad a little bit more because his dad is like an icon in the Bay Area because of Oracle.
[SPEAKER_00]: So I know so much more about his dad and and it's just kind of crazy to me.
[SPEAKER_00]: I jokingly in our discord column, baby Ellison, because he's a young dude, but he's not bad young.
[SPEAKER_00]: He's, you know, as in his early 40s, but his dad is like 80s.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think I'm damn Larry Ellison is that old.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's crazy.
[SPEAKER_00]: But yeah, you know, we got the hangout and shit chat and I, you know, I then asked them at the end that was like Travis Hunter going to play both ways this year.
[SPEAKER_00]: I had to ask of my Jaguar's question.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I got one really stupid clefted him to what I asked him like, So, um, were you like me and terminally online during the 90s?
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, we've we both shared a an appreciation and an understanding that our parent we're unhappy with the dial-up costs from the AOL from the AOL day, so the AOL time water.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it's I mean, it's cool because, you know, the one thing I would say, I don't know what Vince McMahon was like in, you know, when Vince McMahon was 43 with that would have been in like probably the early 80s or something.
[SPEAKER_00]: like were people who were around his age could they relate to him or was he just always this kind of like
[SPEAKER_00]: bigger than life kind of dismissive personality or was he like super charming too and like just personal.
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't imagine he was personal.
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, I think that's where Tony kind of figures out that's his in, like he can just be a human, he could be kind of like a regular dude whereas, you know, I don't imagine if you talked to Triple H, like he's like, oh yeah, you know, back when I was, you know, X, Y and Z, there's a certain level that
[SPEAKER_00]: of humanness I guess that Tony wants and this is purposeful right this is part of his part of who he is in his strategy at getting people to like him and but it's just easier to you know you appreciate it more because like oh yeah this is your your easy to talk to now there might be other people who are like
[SPEAKER_00]: I try to talk to him and he doesn't return my emails or whatever and that's a different thing.
[SPEAKER_00]: But just on this one-on-one opportunity, like, yeah, you get wife people like Tony Cod.
[SPEAKER_01]: So I, I will end it with this before we wrap it up in the night.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's like Tony Cod has a lot of money.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like I don't know exactly how much money he has, but he has a lot of money.
[SPEAKER_01]: Enough that he could make a bid for WWE back in the time when it was up for set.
[SPEAKER_01]: There are so many people without amount of money that just come off lacking any basic humanity that the fact that I was able to have a conversation with them and he just seemed so down to earth and so relatable in so many ways was frankly comforting and I just, I just appreciate it that about him.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like we may not agree about how to do wrestling or anything but on a human human level
[SPEAKER_01]: he treats other people really well in that like human interaction.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I look appreciative of that.
[SPEAKER_01]: He didn't know me for anybody and he would just he was very, very kind of me.
[SPEAKER_00]: All right, we went even longer than I thought we were going to go.
[SPEAKER_00]: But we got it in.
[SPEAKER_00]: We wanted to do this tonight because it was fresh on our brains.
[SPEAKER_00]: Tomorrow, if we were to try to do this, we would have like,
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, slept and forgot about a lot of stuff.
[SPEAKER_00]: So Jeremy, I think you said you smartly took Monday off.
[SPEAKER_00]: I didn't take Monday off, but I get to work from home.
[SPEAKER_00]: So it's not too bad.
[SPEAKER_00]: And we'll be back on our own shows to talk more about AEW forbidden door.
[SPEAKER_00]: I will be back with Paul Fontaine on Tuesday at some point, I'll probably post it on Wednesday.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's a little bit harder for me to go live with Paul with the summer because my wife schedule is a little bit different, but Paul and I will record on Tuesday.
[SPEAKER_00]: I just don't know exactly what it will go up because Paul will have the TV version of the show off the live version of the show.
[SPEAKER_00]: We'll talk about it.
[SPEAKER_00]: Jeremy's going to talk about it on speaking
[SPEAKER_00]: uh... with steven conway on the thursday so you'll hear us talk about this stuff again and maybe just in a little bit of different details with our other partners all right thanks to the folks who got to the folks even showed out this late for us which is kind of amazing uh... for an endo of course for an endo u s v a guy was was in the chat as well over and i had a comment i want to do a actual answer i thought okay
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm going to push back on this a little bit.
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't think John Monkley should be losing when he is a guy guiding someone else on how to be a winner.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: He can't lose before whatever they're doing, they're going to win a will.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: So, it's not for Bandito, but it would have thrown a huge monkey ranch into the whole logistics of everything else.
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_01]: If you work.
[SPEAKER_00]: U.S. VA guy also had a lot about the AEW together question.
[SPEAKER_00]: So there was a question the presser about.
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't even know what AEW together is.
[SPEAKER_00]: Do you know what that is?
[SPEAKER_01]: It is the part of the fan organization, but one of the things that happened is that Amanda Huber is no longer running the heels program.
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, so I'll count it.
[SPEAKER_00]: I actually did learn a little bit about this this weekend.
[SPEAKER_00]: I didn't know if it was the same thing, but now that you said that.
[SPEAKER_01]: So I asked around a little bit, but I wasn't really able to get a whole answer.
[SPEAKER_00]: So I know somebody who is a subscriber or who is a whatever in heels.
[SPEAKER_00]: And they said that Amanda had stepped down and Aubrey had stepped down.
[SPEAKER_00]: And there has been very little updates as far as where the program is going.
[SPEAKER_00]: And she also said that the last update that they got was like not much.
[SPEAKER_00]: So to UVA guys point, the company needs to be more fan friendly.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think they need to follow through on these things.
[SPEAKER_00]: And if they cannot, and if they do not have the time to do it,
[SPEAKER_00]: interested and excited for these things.
[SPEAKER_00]: Tony Khan had a comment about him really not being behind those programs.
[SPEAKER_00]: He should not be.
[SPEAKER_00]: He cannot have all of his hands inside the little nooks and crannies.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's why he has people to do them.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's why you hire people.
[SPEAKER_00]: And so, but it is up to him to figure out
[SPEAKER_00]: if those people are doing their job.
[SPEAKER_00]: So I wanted to mention that to appreciate USVA guy for that comment.
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, that's it.
[SPEAKER_00]: So we will see y'all later this week on our respective shows.
[SPEAKER_00]: For Jeremy, I am WG.
[SPEAKER_00]: We will see you when we see you piece out.