[UNKNOWN]: The Survivor Specialists are back, and I am once again joined by Wes from Once Upon Island, and we are talking about winning survivor episode number four, season 16 through 20.
[UNKNOWN]: One of the more interesting groupings of five, Micronesia through Heroes or Susvillins.
[UNKNOWN]: We're going to be talking about poverty, we're going to be talking about Bob, we're going to be talking about JT, we're going to be talking about Natalie White, and we're going to be
[UNKNOWN]: I feel, and I don't know how you feel, but I feel that this is like the era of under the radar winners and it most of these seasons are revered.
[UNKNOWN]: And I think it's interesting that nowadays we see a lot of under the radar winners in the new era and these seasons aren't revered.
[UNKNOWN]: So I'm curious how we'll get into that and what we'll think as we dive into these uh, these different winners and what it took to win with each of them.
[UNKNOWN]: But West welcome back, glad to have you here as always.
[UNKNOWN]: Thanks for having me.
[UNKNOWN]: I were doing parvity.
[UNKNOWN]: Bob, JT, Natalie White and Sandra, I guess you're right.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, with the exception of JT, I mean, poverty wasn't even the biggest character on her season by far.
[UNKNOWN]: Now, yeah, you're right.
[UNKNOWN]: I guess it is like four under the radar winners and JT was very, I feel like he was definitely, oh yeah, JT is a great art.
[UNKNOWN]: JT is a great art.
[UNKNOWN]: Absolutely, yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, JT was definitely the biggest face of that season, but yeah, I'm excited.
[UNKNOWN]: I mean, we might as well start off.
[UNKNOWN]: We got microdies throughout the bat, the last standard definition season.
[UNKNOWN]: It's so crazy that Micronesia, they couldn't get HD for considering it was half returnies, half newbies, and they knew that they were going to HD with Survivor Gabone.
[UNKNOWN]: And this is what's so crazy to think about West.
[UNKNOWN]: I know you and I are both in our 30s, and there's a lot of people who are listening to this podcast, who maybe were born in 2005, and you don't remember the days of standard definition.
[UNKNOWN]: This was such a big deal in 2008 when that transition was going to happen.
[UNKNOWN]: Like, I remember watching the next season on Survivor.
[UNKNOWN]: We're going to one of our most beautiful locations ever.
[UNKNOWN]: And it's going to be an HD and they show it.
[UNKNOWN]: Everybody's like, Oh my God, thank God.
[UNKNOWN]: We all have HD TVs now.
[UNKNOWN]: This is going to be so amazing.
[UNKNOWN]: And now you look at that and you're like, that is crazy to think that 18 years ago, we weren't even watching things in HD.
[UNKNOWN]: Now you can't imagine anything in standard definition, but they couldn't get it for Micronesia, which is universally acclaimed as one of the best seasons, obviously as some of the best characters ever, but it falls into that China thing.
[UNKNOWN]: It's standard definition.
[UNKNOWN]: How do you get people to watch it right away?
[UNKNOWN]: I wonder if, so, I remember at the time, this is something that is very much of the times when they would sell sunglasses as HD sunglasses, because that's how big of a deal HD was.
[UNKNOWN]: I, what is an HD sunglasses, but I think part of that fills because we were talking, I know we talked about previously how.
[UNKNOWN]: Um, survivors on the verge of cancellation after Cook Owens and Fiji, because it just they lost last sponsor is a lot of negative press on China and Micronesia saved the show.
[UNKNOWN]: I wonder if if 13 and 14 hadn't been such a bust for the show, if they would have moved to HD, if for China for the China, Micronesia cycle instead, but because they're like shows on the verge of cancellation, we're not putting more money into this.
[UNKNOWN]: They didn't.
[UNKNOWN]: So therefore, China, Micronesia just uses the stuff they are using.
[UNKNOWN]: I wonder if it would have been different.
[UNKNOWN]: had Fiji and Cougarounds been, you know, better for lack of it, but for lack of other words, because Fiji's also the last season where CBS did next morning interviews on their, on their, on their, on CBS, sorry, duh.
[UNKNOWN]: And so, sorry, I'm trying to, they didn't do it, because that's how bad 13, 14 was.
[UNKNOWN]: But then for 50, it took, until 50 for them to do it again, to have next morning interviews on CBS.
[UNKNOWN]: So,
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, that's interesting.
[UNKNOWN]: And I wonder, I wonder if that was it or if it was just truly that they didn't have the technology yet.
[UNKNOWN]: I know that sounds crazy to people, but like this was a technology thing nowadays.
[UNKNOWN]: You sit down like I'm looking at an HD image on my phone right now.
[UNKNOWN]: I'm looking at a HD image of myself right now and you think like,
[UNKNOWN]: How how could this be difficult?
[UNKNOWN]: This is a CBS.
[UNKNOWN]: What this was brand new.
[UNKNOWN]: This was all new.
[UNKNOWN]: This wasn't a thing really yet.
[UNKNOWN]: And so I wonder if that was it or if it truly was just like, hey, we got to go everything to HD now because I don't you remember West, but back in the day back in my day.
[UNKNOWN]: It's crazy that this was like 20 years ago.
[UNKNOWN]: So we can talk about this now.
[UNKNOWN]: Oh my gosh.
[UNKNOWN]: You just to have.
[UNKNOWN]: your cable package and your cable package would have a standard definition version of a channel.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, it would be the same exact channel, but one of them was HD and one of them was standard.
[UNKNOWN]: If you wouldn't, if you didn't have HD, you watch the standard definition version.
[UNKNOWN]: And I remember for early on with CBS,
[UNKNOWN]: even with the bone.
[UNKNOWN]: If you didn't have the HD TV, if you didn't have the HD version of your cable package, you couldn't actually watch the bone in HD.
[UNKNOWN]: You were still watching it in standard definition, despite the fact that it was HD because that's how the technology went.
[UNKNOWN]: I know that this isn't talking about poverty, but I feel like it's interesting as we get into that that jump of what a weird time it truly was.
[UNKNOWN]: And the fact that one of the most revered
[UNKNOWN]: You're watching it old school every time you watch.
[UNKNOWN]: We did crank the saturation up, though.
[UNKNOWN]: When you jump from China and Micronesia, they crank the saturation up in the collars for the color, as to whether it's coming for the show.
[UNKNOWN]: Now, Phil, before we move on to part of it, we'd be real quick.
[UNKNOWN]: I want to see if you know this, which year and which season, though I don't know if you know the season, which year did the amazing race jump to HD?
[UNKNOWN]: The only hint is it's after Survivor.
[UNKNOWN]: That I have no idea because I don't follow close enough with the, uh, amazing race, but I wouldn't just 20 11, 20 11 is correct.
[UNKNOWN]: Yes.
[UNKNOWN]: Their first season H2 was 2011.
[UNKNOWN]: So what's that?
[UNKNOWN]: Three years after a good bone.
[UNKNOWN]: Um, and then big brother.
[UNKNOWN]: Same question.
[UNKNOWN]: Uh, God, did they go, I guess they went after amazing race?
[UNKNOWN]: It was after survival.
[UNKNOWN]: I'll tell you that.
[UNKNOWN]: That's okay.
[UNKNOWN]: So maybe they were earlier.
[UNKNOWN]: Maybe they were like 2010.
[UNKNOWN]: 2013.
[UNKNOWN]: Okay, so they were later.
[UNKNOWN]: That's actually 13.
[UNKNOWN]: The big brother took that long to get to HC, which I was in college still, but I was almost done with college.
[UNKNOWN]: And so again, that's where it's so crazy because it's been what?
[UNKNOWN]: It's been a decade.
[UNKNOWN]: But you don't realize like survivor was still on like cutting edge of all of this.
[UNKNOWN]: And so when you grow and you look at China into Micronesia, two of my favorite seasons in a row, really you can add a bone to that.
[UNKNOWN]: You can add token chains to that.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, that four season stretch in the history of the show without a question.
[UNKNOWN]: you get you get standard definition and so we have to watch poverty and and so read dominate this game and standard definition and so we have to be talked about as we talked about poverty as a winner because so much of what takes place in this game is so read and I know that people don't like to hear that I know the poverty stands don't like to hear poverty knock at the credit but so this I always say this is so reads season and so read dominates this game
[UNKNOWN]: to the final three and sit next to her.
[UNKNOWN]: And Siri would have cleaned up.
[UNKNOWN]: Now I know that there's the Monday morning quarterback.
[UNKNOWN]: She says that wouldn't have happened.
[UNKNOWN]: All the poverty stands.
[UNKNOWN]: Tell me that wouldn't have happened.
[UNKNOWN]: Parvities still would have beaten Siri.
[UNKNOWN]: Siri is winning the season if she gets the final three.
[UNKNOWN]: They all respected her a lot.
[UNKNOWN]: But
[UNKNOWN]: This was also the first time that we ever saw half returning players, half newbies.
[UNKNOWN]: We had seen captains back in Guatemala, but we'd never seen half returning players, half newbies.
[UNKNOWN]: And so for the returning players, they had to figure out how to navigate this of kind of being treated as celebrities on their own show by people that they might either look down on or whatever.
[UNKNOWN]: So where do you stand on this whole parvity, Micronesia game?
[UNKNOWN]: I think Barbity's micro-easing game is good.
[UNKNOWN]: She clearly made the right social connection to go to final two, because Amanda picked her over Suri.
[UNKNOWN]: And I think this is Suri's best chance of winning the game.
[UNKNOWN]: out of all the seasons because this is the one where she literally is one tribal from it.
[UNKNOWN]: She very well could have beaten Amanda in that final immunity.
[UNKNOWN]: Earlier in the season, Suri says, if there was a challenge about holding my hand still and I failed at that, then I would be a bad nurse or I'm paraphrasing.
[UNKNOWN]: And it's like, it doesn't, I know that the show put that in there because that's what was gonna happen.
[UNKNOWN]: But I don't know if a lot of viewers caught that because it's so early in the season when she says it, about family and I challenge like that,
[UNKNOWN]: That's exactly what happened.
[UNKNOWN]: She fails at that exact challenge.
[UNKNOWN]: It's like the challenge that Surrey should have won.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: Loved this to Amanda.
[UNKNOWN]: Surrey.
[UNKNOWN]: I know it's a surprise file three because of all the medical vacuations, but Surrey blew it here.
[UNKNOWN]: It was not production.
[UNKNOWN]: It wasn't, it wasn't some BS.
[UNKNOWN]: There wasn't, it wasn't, you know, like, noticing game changers.
[UNKNOWN]: You know, it wasn't on that nonsense.
[UNKNOWN]: Like this Surrey lost this season.
[UNKNOWN]: So, Parvity wins.
[UNKNOWN]: And I think Parvity earns it.
[UNKNOWN]: She was definitely one of those biggest
[UNKNOWN]: What the heck picks when he looked back at her last season like she has gone because she wasn't attractive for her to female and then need to fill that role I got some last week that because we were trying to figure out who would have been if not part of it would have been Candace from what everybody was saying Candace was asked Yeah, already replaced Candace Because Candace wasn't available being in medical school
[UNKNOWN]: So I will ask this fell.
[UNKNOWN]: So this is all on the DVDs where I got a lot of this information from.
[UNKNOWN]: Jeff did a pretty decent interview for Micronesia and there was one player.
[UNKNOWN]: He absolutely did not want to come back.
[UNKNOWN]: But Mark Burnett, strong arm this player into being on the season.
[UNKNOWN]: Like strong arm meeting.
[UNKNOWN]: Jeff doesn't get to say, who do you think that was?
[UNKNOWN]: Fairplay.
[UNKNOWN]: Oh, yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: No, it was fairplay.
[UNKNOWN]: Jeff.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: Jeff literally was like publicly on national television saying, I don't know why we brought this guy back.
[UNKNOWN]: I didn't want him back, but Mark Burnett wanted him back.
[UNKNOWN]: And I'm like, it's really tells you a lot about where Jeff, like, Jeff was already here.
[UNKNOWN]: I think future Jeff, even already here.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: I mean, fair play, Jeff didn't understand that fair play was actually great for survivor and then he turns around and he loves Russell so much, but he didn't understand that fair play fair play and Rupert being on the same season was a good thing.
[UNKNOWN]: Now granted, they were trying to go post all stars to kind of go with that grouping.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: And then they said, no, we got to have fair play on there.
[UNKNOWN]: I don't know who would have been on over.
[UNKNOWN]: Fair play wasn't on all stars.
[UNKNOWN]: And I think every five fair play should have been on all stars.
[UNKNOWN]: Exactly.
[UNKNOWN]: I mean, it's the most iconic moment probably in the history of the show or one of the most iconic top five at least when he lies about the grandma.
[UNKNOWN]: So the thing with poverty that is, there's this, it's very, her story is so interesting to me.
[UNKNOWN]: And this is how I feel about Tyson, how I feel about Jeremy Collins, how I feel about Sarah Lucina, when you come back and play a returning player season.
[UNKNOWN]: your threat level and how you're perceived matters a lot.
[UNKNOWN]: And I know early on in this season, we hear a lot of penner saying, we need to get poverty out of the game.
[UNKNOWN]: She's the biggest threat.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: And poverty stands have really latched on to that and said, see, they were going to vote poverty out first.
[UNKNOWN]: And she still managed to get all the way to the end and win.
[UNKNOWN]: That means it's a great game.
[UNKNOWN]: That's the edit telling you that Jonathan Penner was threatened by poverty because he already played with her once.
[UNKNOWN]: And because poverty and penner did not work together.
[UNKNOWN]: Like they weren't aligned.
[UNKNOWN]: And the way I know poverty wasn't the biggest threat on that beach is because okay fair play like half quits, they get rid of fair play, but then they decide to vote out yeah, man over poverty.
[UNKNOWN]: Okay, partying on the right side of the notes fell, but that's where when they lost fair play, he was potentially the number for better side.
[UNKNOWN]: I don't know where he would have landed.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, then with fair play gone, it became part of what you have the numbers on that free run thrive and that's what I'm saying though people will say she's the biggest thread it's like no she had four other people who are willing to work with her pretty much from day one don't give me this nonsense of like she is the biggest threat but.
[UNKNOWN]: What's so compelling about poverty story on this season, in my opinion, is that she went from she could have been Amber, right?
[UNKNOWN]: She could have been the one where you said, how did she get on this season?
[UNKNOWN]: And then she wins and we all kind of forget.
[UNKNOWN]: And instead, she created what might be considered the most dangerous archetype in the show, which is the young, hot, flirty girl who can outstratage you and manipulate you like crazy.
[UNKNOWN]: And I think that that's so interesting because Amber didn't
[UNKNOWN]: And Amber normally gets ranked near the bottom of a lot of winter list, whereas here's poverty who's now revered as a rush more tight player, and it all started from her micro ninja game, not from her Cook Islands game, and I think it's fascinating that she went on that type of arc and had that much of an impact on the show, when really she was an afterthought when the season started.
[UNKNOWN]: You know, I think that part of it, and we're going to talk about Sandra tonight as well on this podcast.
[UNKNOWN]: I think it's interesting that the first three returny seasons.
[UNKNOWN]: I know that Guadamal had or attorneys.
[UNKNOWN]: It wasn't really returny season.
[UNKNOWN]: All of them are under the radar women winners.
[UNKNOWN]: And yeah, well, Danny wasn't a returny, but good point, you're right.
[UNKNOWN]: In terms of the seasons that were intended to be like these are these were attorney seasons, onto the radar women
[UNKNOWN]: It just persists throughout all the returning seasons under the radar winners when it's like half for attorneys or more and it's not women all the time.
[UNKNOWN]: Sorry, but under the radar winners, I don't know if I said that like I know we're jumping ahead a little bit here, but like what's next to a carimo and cochran was under the radar season he was not cochran of South Pacific after that he said I guess Tyson's probably
[UNKNOWN]: Maybe he's not, he was just so low-keying impression as our seasons.
[UNKNOWN]: I'll be starting to the radar.
[UNKNOWN]: But then what, yeah, Cambodia, Jeremy was under the radar.
[UNKNOWN]: Maybe not in the edit, but he was under the radar as a player.
[UNKNOWN]: Sarah Licina and game changers.
[UNKNOWN]: Tony winners at war was trying to be his best under the radar.
[UNKNOWN]: That's probably the one that's most not under the radar as Tony on winners at war, but then Aubrey and 50 under the radar, it's just like,
[UNKNOWN]: And now I think, I think I would like, when I was predicting 50, I remember thinking, has to be ways under the rare people, it always is.
[UNKNOWN]: Always is, it's never, so it's not going to be a cue, you know?
[UNKNOWN]: So like going into the season, of course, they don't, we don't know this time when the season air is that that's the rule.
[UNKNOWN]: So I think there's a lot more like, oh, I wonder who could win when it realities, like you go back to like, all right, who came to the season under the radar?
[UNKNOWN]: Amanda,
[UNKNOWN]: Harvey, you know, wasn't gonna be a young man.
[UNKNOWN]: It wasn't Panner was definitely a, I don't know if he was like a household name, but he was definitely not under the radar as a person coming off his last season.
[UNKNOWN]: So what do you have the more impressed with Serrido?
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, I think he had become like everybody's like, oh my god, that's the player.
[UNKNOWN]: And she goes all the way in any way.
[UNKNOWN]: Serrido is not under the radar.
[UNKNOWN]: No, she was beloved after her first season.
[UNKNOWN]: I do remember this.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, um, so yeah, I hear you on that.
[UNKNOWN]: I mean, it is definitely something that we see kind of permeate through and even like Tyson people might be like, but he's like one of the most like his edit is very obvious.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, but Tyson's not playing an over the top in your face game Tyson's pro.
[UNKNOWN]: Very low heat gain and that's where in this season like poverty Amanda and Suri getting together.
[UNKNOWN]: They were able to play kind of an in your face game, but they were doing it under the radar way because they were so on a summing.
[UNKNOWN]: And so nobody was really looking at the three of them saying, oh my God, we gotta get rid of these people.
[UNKNOWN]: All those people who thought that were gone before the merge and then Azi and James and Eric and Jason were willing to just go along for the ride.
[UNKNOWN]: While Lexus and Natalie thought that they were all going to the end too.
[UNKNOWN]: And so what I also think is compelling though and like this is not a knock on poverty, but I think it's something that a lot of like the poverty die-hards refuse to see, poverty is better because of seri.
[UNKNOWN]: And seri is better because of poverty.
[UNKNOWN]: Yes, no, they need to each other and they need to demand a
[UNKNOWN]: They did, and it's all needed Natalie Baldwin who did all the dirty work on the Eric moment.
[UNKNOWN]: It was all Natalie Baldwin who did the dirty work and it was a series idea to have Eric give up the necklace.
[UNKNOWN]: And so it's like it's not a knock on you.
[UNKNOWN]: if people, if you're better with your alliance, but part of it stands almost like take it that way.
[UNKNOWN]: I feel like sometimes where they'll be like, you're not giving her enough credit.
[UNKNOWN]: Part of it does play a great game.
[UNKNOWN]: I think she's insanely overrated on this season by a lot of people.
[UNKNOWN]: I think your heroes for a Sillan's game is way more overrated, but we'll talk about that when we get to heroes' villains in a couple of minutes.
[UNKNOWN]: Um, but I do think that when you say, no, the three of them are such an important trio is like, well, yeah, I'm a poverty like ran that it's like no, so re kind of ran it, but everybody had their own role and parties I want to got the money at the end of the day.
[UNKNOWN]: She's going to got the pain and that's it.
[UNKNOWN]: That's the best move this season then, Phil.
[UNKNOWN]: So it seems like you're ragging on her.
[UNKNOWN]: I want to hear what's your best.
[UNKNOWN]: So now you're saying I'm ragging on her, too.
[UNKNOWN]: I'm just trying to say yeah, but you're ragging on her.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, I think what do you think she falls in the ranking fill out of 50?
[UNKNOWN]: Oh, people probably put her in the top five.
[UNKNOWN]: Yes, thought this is number two, where do you even micro nature falls as a season four?
[UNKNOWN]: That's exactly right.
[UNKNOWN]: You know that one is four.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, she's number two winner And by the way is not affected by The Australian's RRC isn't that she also won she was already in top five prior to her winning as well So it didn't like it wasn't like she jumped up because of yeah, it really just people really like her winning this season I think she's a big character I think it's important people like you winners like if you're a boring character She people will knock winners for that
[UNKNOWN]: character matters, the story matters, parties character the season running an evil, quote-unquote, women's alliance, the Blackwood of Brigade.
[UNKNOWN]: It just really resonates with people.
[UNKNOWN]: I think people really enjoyed it.
[UNKNOWN]: And it's fun to watch.
[UNKNOWN]: And I cannot believe that winners are like, what's still through 50, they're bringing up air giving up his immediate necklaces to Natalie.
[UNKNOWN]: All right, but yet somehow during the winners at war press, it was like, poverty, how did you pull off this move?
[UNKNOWN]: the narrative survivors put out for years and years now.
[UNKNOWN]: Well, what's your best move though?
[UNKNOWN]: This season, Phil, what's your best move?
[UNKNOWN]: Honestly, so so I'm looking at it here and I think her best move is the Aussie blind side.
[UNKNOWN]: I think that's the best move in the game.
[UNKNOWN]: That's when Seria and Parvity decide to go against Amanda, leave her out of the vote, and ultimately vote Aussie out of the game.
[UNKNOWN]: And I think Parvity and Seria kind of make that happen together.
[UNKNOWN]: And again, it's like I'm racking on her because it's like I feel like I'm speaking the truth about Parvity.
[UNKNOWN]: Her game is in lockstep with Serize the entire time.
[UNKNOWN]: And Sari is the one who's coming up with most of those ideas.
[UNKNOWN]: Now, great, Parvities, the one who's able to be taken at the end instead of Sari, keep your threat level a little bit lower than the person sitting next to you.
[UNKNOWN]: That's a good thing.
[UNKNOWN]: But I think that's her best move.
[UNKNOWN]: That's when Ozzie goes.
[UNKNOWN]: And from that moment on, nobody really has a move that they can make that can go against poverty.
[UNKNOWN]: Like, everything has to go.
[UNKNOWN]: And then, even to the point of Amanda telling Parvity, like, or I guess she doesn't, I guess she does tell Parvity, right?
[UNKNOWN]: I have the idol.
[UNKNOWN]: I think she does tell Parvity that.
[UNKNOWN]: As far as I remember, Alexis, I haven't seen it in a little while, but then I mean, you know, Parvities, the one who goes over to the island and just lays around because all they want to do is make sure that Eric doesn't have the, I don't know everything.
[UNKNOWN]: Like, Parvities a lot of good moves, but I think the best one is the Aussie blind side where it's her.
[UNKNOWN]: it's three, it's Natalie, it's Alexis and it's Jason, who take out Ozzy, I think that's the best move by far because it put her in the position where she was pretty much locked in the final five at that point and she was closer to the fans than Amanda or Cerewer.
[UNKNOWN]: I think it's really impressive to see Parvities jump from cookouts this season, in terms of her social game got better, her understanding of the game got better, like it was so clear her first time around, she was a recruit this time, at least it feels like she understands the show she's on, enough to like have fun with it, whereas last time she seemed like she was annoyed by the game.
[UNKNOWN]: And of course, that wasn't just her, that was a lot of the original railroad outside of Panner.
[UNKNOWN]: But yes, it seemed like poverty made a big jump between seasons, and I think that a lot people see that.
[UNKNOWN]: And I, it's one of those things you appreciate, you're like, it's not the same exact poverty from Cook Owens.
[UNKNOWN]: It's in a group, much improved poverty.
[UNKNOWN]: It's like she watched the show this time before she went on versus though that one challenge where they asked Bancet questions about past seasons, it didn't look like she had watched the show.
[UNKNOWN]: And Natalie Bolton is clearly not a fan of the show.
[UNKNOWN]: already who got one wrong about her own season or something like that somebody gets one wrong about their own season.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, I think with with par though, like when I watch Microdesia, her social game is the best part of her game.
[UNKNOWN]: And we're sure that so much with how she handles the fans and the way that like on the latest rewatch I did it this season it was really like the way that she handled Alexis and Natalie and even Eric to an extent like that is what was so impressive about her now ultimately Eric votes the other way but if you go down the line the votes poverty gets she gets Natalie Alexis Jason and then Eliza and Cere.
[UNKNOWN]: Natalie Alexis and Jason are the three people that Amanda kind of took for granted and she just simply didn't and that's why poverty wins and so I feel like
[UNKNOWN]: Parvity, and this is why I rag on her more than anything.
[UNKNOWN]: It's just because I think she's gotten overrated in the community.
[UNKNOWN]: I still think she's a rush more player, but I just think she's gotten a little out of control.
[UNKNOWN]: And I think there's a lot of like rewriting of history of like how dominant she was and how scared people were after Cook Island.
[UNKNOWN]: It's like nobody cared.
[UNKNOWN]: But I will say that out of all of those kind of returning player winners, I think hers is, she probably had the hardest one to win.
[UNKNOWN]: because it was something that nobody had ever seen before and nobody really knew how to handle with the fans.
[UNKNOWN]: Now, the other thing is though, a lot of those fans had no clue what was going on.
[UNKNOWN]: So that works in her favor, but she did have to kind of navigate this mine field of pattern her didn't get along.
[UNKNOWN]: So the person she has from her season is in close with her.
[UNKNOWN]: She has Ozi, but her and Ozi were against each other.
[UNKNOWN]: Then she has,
[UNKNOWN]: Amanda and James who were already linked together.
[UNKNOWN]: Like she's having to overcome a lot of previous relationships and kind of build her own and she did a really good job and I think that's why she does work better with the fans because she had to do the work to build the relationships in a way Amanda and so we did.
[UNKNOWN]: And China had started airing, but I think it was only like halfway through, but when these put what these players saw was only the first half of China before they shot for the film Micronesia, because it's back before they did back to back, because I know you know I felt, but for the listeners, parvities per perfect game, how far off was she from the statistical perfect games that I know it's three on the end.
[UNKNOWN]: I don't know if you're demanding it's three votes and file tribal.
[UNKNOWN]: She only got one vote all season or something, right?
[UNKNOWN]: She didn't get a lot.
[UNKNOWN]: For she actually got against herself so seven total she seven games for seven votes off of a perfect game Okay, the statistical perfect game as we I know we talked about this previous weeks is Basically the only stat we have really to track
[UNKNOWN]: The, you know, what a perfect game is.
[UNKNOWN]: Well, since JT and Cochrane play perfect games, which are going to be on my JT tonight, parties seven votes off of that stat.
[UNKNOWN]: I know, no, everybody considers that a stat to care about, but I think it has a value.
[UNKNOWN]: It's the only thing that we have that the edit can't manipulate.
[UNKNOWN]: The edit can't, the story can't convey.
[UNKNOWN]: The story can't change this.
[UNKNOWN]: This is a stat that we can track.
[UNKNOWN]: And so whether you valued or not, I do.
[UNKNOWN]: I'm not saying at the end I'll be all, but I think it's something that like,
[UNKNOWN]: anything different than like this is true.
[UNKNOWN]: This happened, you know.
[UNKNOWN]: We're getting ready to do our winner rankings next Tuesday, and the first 50 through 41 will come out before we do our next podcast.
[UNKNOWN]: And Will was like, I want to do an algorithm, and I'm going to figure this out.
[UNKNOWN]: And then like he puts something in there, and he's going to get into the details of this algorithm, which might be true that will's not great at his algorithm.
[UNKNOWN]: That's all, that's how I feel.
[UNKNOWN]: But anyway, it's like he was time at how he put in there, losing final travel counsel votes worked against you.
[UNKNOWN]: And my big knock against that is like,
[UNKNOWN]: Okay, if Todd plays on Nicaragua, he wins ten nothing against anybody plays against.
[UNKNOWN]: But playing on China, nobody shutting out a jury on that season.
[UNKNOWN]: Like nobody was going without getting every jury vote on that season is what I'm saying.
[UNKNOWN]: And so it's like you're almost punishing somebody for being able to beat the best players on their season.
[UNKNOWN]: Like Todd being punished for being able to beat court in Amanda.
[UNKNOWN]: Parvity being able to beat Amanda like Amanda is a revered survivor player.
[UNKNOWN]: She was well-liked So it's like you're punishing poverty for being able to beat Amanda where it's like, okay So you're gonna reward her more if she had sat next to Alexis But if she if she tries to work through the game of the Lexus, she might not win She still gets the votes here and this is what gets her to the end because she's able to convince Amanda to take her So that's where I always just find it a little crazy
[UNKNOWN]: um, with how, with how this whole thing works of like, of trying to do the perfect game.
[UNKNOWN]: But I get where you're coming from from.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, as you know, but that's my knock off.
[UNKNOWN]: It's, but it's, I know I said this before, too.
[UNKNOWN]: It's like kind of comparing, uh, super bowl winners, like, different seasons, different rules, survivor change the rules every season, not the basic rules, but the,
[UNKNOWN]: a lot of the rules they change, and you know, different players, different teams, it's hard to compare.
[UNKNOWN]: Nobody, if everybody played against the same people, and it was the same rules, and all these people didn't know each other every time, like it's impossible to do, because we're off.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, I saw one question on your fill in the comments.
[UNKNOWN]: I don't know if you can select, yeah, that's what I was looking at.
[UNKNOWN]: Do you recognize Australia as a wind fill?
[UNKNOWN]: I know on the on fire podcast, Jeff asked this question, a leading question.
[UNKNOWN]: Jeremy Collins said, well, it counts as half a win because it was a shorter game and it's a different show.
[UNKNOWN]: But people rip Jeremy to shreds and then Jeff's like, hmm, interesting, I'll leave it at that.
[UNKNOWN]: It doesn't comment on it.
[UNKNOWN]: So, Phil, how do you feel?
[UNKNOWN]: Or do you want to do a Jeff?
[UNKNOWN]: I, I don't think that I don't think it matters in the grand scheme of like ranking American survivor players like did she win a season of survivor?
[UNKNOWN]: She won a season of Australian survivor, she won a season of Australian survivor that was 14 players, eight women, six men where she started on a tribe of four women, one of whom was like her best allies she's ever had.
[UNKNOWN]: It was 16 days of our call.
[UNKNOWN]: It was 16 days like it was it was a mini like I don't know like is it still cool sure but it's kind of like whenever they did the baseball season after COVID where they played like 30 games.
[UNKNOWN]: Who cares who wins the world series that year like.
[UNKNOWN]: I'm sorry.
[UNKNOWN]: Like it will still go down in history.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, but I don't count any of the Australian survivor winners.
[UNKNOWN]: I don't really think about the Australian survivor winners.
[UNKNOWN]: And I've watched all the Australian survivor seasons.
[UNKNOWN]: Like I don't start being like, oh my God, King George is a better player.
[UNKNOWN]: He's not a winner.
[UNKNOWN]: I know that.
[UNKNOWN]: But it's like King George is a better player than XYZ from American.
[UNKNOWN]: I separate the two, they're two very different games.
[UNKNOWN]: And especially if you're talking about playing 39 days and actually having like a kind of fair cast.
[UNKNOWN]: I mean, she was on there with Surrey.
[UNKNOWN]: She's like best buddies with they had Tony who had no avenue where to go because he had nothing to do and then they had Lisa who her whole mission on that season was for Serita win Yeah, I mean part was in a pretty good spot from the start.
[UNKNOWN]: So like to me that season means nothing and I think that season's an unbelievable disappointment
[UNKNOWN]: Pard stands can say that she's a two time winner, but she's literally not like she didn't win two version two seasons of US survivors, so she's not a two time survivor winner, she's won one version of US and she's won one version of Australia, right?
[UNKNOWN]: Two different dates like it's like if Peyton Manning went played in the arena football league, I'm sure he could still throw over 10,000 yards in the arena football league, that doesn't mean he's a now a four time super or three time champion doesn't matter.
[UNKNOWN]: I think I'm more in the camp with Jeremy Collins who said it was half a win if I had to count it, like if I had to do, it's almost like transferring currency.
[UNKNOWN]: If I had to transfer the currency of a 16-day Australian survivor game to US survivor game, what would it give it?
[UNKNOWN]: And I'd say, yeah, half a win sounds right, length, players, as you talk about the imbalance start of how they did everything for the versus the world.
[UNKNOWN]: I would say half a win, but even then I'm like, it's not, it's not two time win.
[UNKNOWN]: It's a win on a different show.
[UNKNOWN]: But if she had won, Australia and Survivor, and it had been like their 50-day game, like the season that Sandra went on was Blood vs. Water.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, if she had won that season, I would be like, I completely get the argument for two wins.
[UNKNOWN]: Like that was a full season with a full cast.
[UNKNOWN]: Sandra making it 16 days that season was actually impressive, considering everything, working against her.
[UNKNOWN]: But part of the winning season she won, yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: I have a win if I had to transfer the currency, but it's not the same show.
[UNKNOWN]: It's not.
[UNKNOWN]: And Marcus Ritz says Tony was on a season with Sarah, his best friend, and we're not mad at him.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, that was a 20 person season.
[UNKNOWN]: Like a 39.
[UNKNOWN]: Oh no, we're not currently people being friends with people against them.
[UNKNOWN]: I think yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, he had two on a 10 person tribe.
[UNKNOWN]: He had two, not oh, my best friend on a 7 person tribe.
[UNKNOWN]: That's crazy to sell.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: Like, I'm not going to count any American survivor season where people came in as forensic.
[UNKNOWN]: Ozzie and Surrey were friends of 50.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: If one of them had won, I wouldn't be like, well, they're out there front there.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: Dude, it's it's it's just a different shell.
[UNKNOWN]: I think it's really the biggest thing about I'll try and survive or so.
[UNKNOWN]: Uh, part of doing this season though, almost as soon as Amanda, if you look at the stats, you know, what's our worst move?
[UNKNOWN]: Uh, our first move, honestly, I
[UNKNOWN]: Top of my head, I don't know.
[UNKNOWN]: I don't remember how her having any massive blunders, but the fact that Amanda got three votes at file tribal, I think people just remember Amanda's being this bad, like, final tribal person, and I watched both of her file tribal and I thought to myself, mid, okay, average, like I've seen bad file tribal, Amanda's just okay at file tribal.
[UNKNOWN]: Bob, the whole good bone final three is bad.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, all three.
[UNKNOWN]: I mean, Susie's okay, I guess.
[UNKNOWN]: But that's like only comparison to the completely terrible other two, which I know we're gonna talk about next.
[UNKNOWN]: But like when I think bad, I don't think Amanda, I think Amanda was conveyed to us as bad because like James making comments about her.
[UNKNOWN]: And then it's like it's kind of stuck in our heads, but I don't know.
[UNKNOWN]: So she actually did her five to three.
[UNKNOWN]: It's like sure one of those was Ozzy's Voting,
[UNKNOWN]: You think poverty won by more with how well of the game she's people remember her by.
[UNKNOWN]: So her worst move is the fact that she didn't get more votes final tribal.
[UNKNOWN]: I guess, I don't know if that's a move, but it's the most important part of her game for me.
[UNKNOWN]: I mean, I think that when it came to par of like, I'm not going to sit here and say she played a flawless game, but once she got to the swap, she never went to a tribal.
[UNKNOWN]: So there was no room for her to make a mistake there, right?
[UNKNOWN]: Like she was on a tribe where
[UNKNOWN]: You know, they never went.
[UNKNOWN]: Chat, Tracy, Amy, or the people voted out, Angel, and then Jonathan and Kathy are both taken out of the game.
[UNKNOWN]: So then when you go and you look at what she does in the post merge, everything she does works.
[UNKNOWN]: Like she gets back in with Amanda after voting out Ozzy.
[UNKNOWN]: She's in with Amanda when Alexis gets voted out.
[UNKNOWN]: I don't think she has a bad move.
[UNKNOWN]: I don't think there is one.
[UNKNOWN]: So I'm not really going to say, yeah, I don't know what her worst move is.
[UNKNOWN]: I just don't think that her game is as impressive as people think it is.
[UNKNOWN]: It's still a great game.
[UNKNOWN]: It's just not like this all time.
[UNKNOWN]: And like this is the type of nuance.
[UNKNOWN]: I don't get so D is worse than Adly White is what you're saying because the only play 26 days after they're going.
[UNKNOWN]: If that's what you think I'm saying, like good for you, if you can't figure out nuance that's on you, that's not on you.
[UNKNOWN]: That's not on you.
[UNKNOWN]: That's just funny.
[UNKNOWN]: I really think that she thinks I don't go for Facebook's travel.
[UNKNOWN]: I think it's where poverty dropped the ball because Natalie came in clearly going to give poverty her vote, based on what she said.
[UNKNOWN]: And Aussie came in giving Amanda, you know, his vote.
[UNKNOWN]: Like that was there was no way I think of those what's swapping to the other person.
[UNKNOWN]: I think partying more about voting Amanda.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, Jim's probably always voting Amanda.
[UNKNOWN]: Though he didn't vote, I don't remember him voting Amanda in China, but I guess that's a different scenario.
[UNKNOWN]: He's a Courtney vote in China, right?
[UNKNOWN]: So, all right, well, let's move on to the HD era.
[UNKNOWN]: Wow, and we start the HD era with a beautiful location and they're absolutely beautiful when are Bob Crowley.
[UNKNOWN]: I'm actually doing some beautiful location.
[UNKNOWN]: I don't know if you're being sarcastic there.
[UNKNOWN]: Oh, no, I love the location.
[UNKNOWN]: I'm obviously being sarcastic.
[UNKNOWN]: Oh, okay.
[UNKNOWN]: I was like the location, actually, is epic.
[UNKNOWN]: No, by how terrible it was for production apparently.
[UNKNOWN]: Here's the thing, man.
[UNKNOWN]: Bob Crowley is, oh, I mean, when we do our ranking next week, he's very near the bottom.
[UNKNOWN]: This is how it goes, right?
[UNKNOWN]: I'm not going to say if he's at the bottom, I'm not going to say if he's close, I'm just going to say he's near the bottom, okay?
[UNKNOWN]: Okay.
[UNKNOWN]: That's Bob Crowley's legacy.
[UNKNOWN]: But here's the thing, here's the thing.
[UNKNOWN]: We had seen a bunch of people in their 50s play survivor and they all lost.
[UNKNOWN]: Every single one of them lost.
[UNKNOWN]: And I know that he has maybe the easiest final three in the history of the show.
[UNKNOWN]: Everybody wanted sugar to die and everybody thought Susie was a moron.
[UNKNOWN]: But he still won the game and he figured it out.
[UNKNOWN]: And what's so funny to me is Bob and Gabler, the two older guys, they get lumped in as like these bad winners.
[UNKNOWN]: which look Bob is a bottom tier winner and this is where I'm coming to the fence of Bob and I'm racking on poverty and poverty is infinitely better of a winner than Bob.
[UNKNOWN]: But I just feel like people want to knock Bob.
[UNKNOWN]: Bob can't play the same game as party.
[UNKNOWN]: He can't play the same game as anybody who came before him because nobody like Bob ever wants to drive her.
[UNKNOWN]: And so that's the one positive I'm going to say for Bob here before we get into this discussion because I think people just dismiss him and say terrible winner, but he knew how to get on the right side of a bunch of psychopens and it works for him even with the worst winning final tribal council performance in the history of survivor he still gets the votes from people it's crazy.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, Bob, I mean, we're, since we talk about Saturdaytime, worst move has got to be everything he says if I'll try, but I don't remember him giving one good answer.
[UNKNOWN]: I think at one point he's like,
[UNKNOWN]: I don't know how I did anything and I don't think, I'm not gonna say you should vote for me.
[UNKNOWN]: It's like, Bob, what are you doing?
[UNKNOWN]: At least give some something, give them nothing.
[UNKNOWN]: So that right at the gate, that's his worst move.
[UNKNOWN]: I wanna say though, that Jeff, this is the season that Jeff wanted to quit the show forever, was after they filmed this one.
[UNKNOWN]: That's how bad it was for him.
[UNKNOWN]: And,
[UNKNOWN]: And remember Carson from 44 saying that when he was being cast for the show, the last was fair season ones, he said good bone and they looked at him like he was insane.
[UNKNOWN]: Like why would you like this season just for some context of good bone and production?
[UNKNOWN]: Like we the fans nowadays love good bone.
[UNKNOWN]: In fact, Phil, it was ranked 12 last year, dropped to 18.
[UNKNOWN]: It's about where it stands though, like about top 15-ish.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: Year to year.
[UNKNOWN]: Bob is a winner, though.
[UNKNOWN]: People agree with you.
[UNKNOWN]: Where do you think you rank season the he's a 40.
[UNKNOWN]: 40.
[UNKNOWN]: 43.
[UNKNOWN]: So that's pretty good for me.
[UNKNOWN]: It's going to be Erica from 41.
[UNKNOWN]: I know we've got her yet, but yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: Bob is number 43.
[UNKNOWN]: About the spot he sits at every season.
[UNKNOWN]: That's not that hasn't changed much.
[UNKNOWN]: So yeah, there's some winners people just don't they just don't respect as much.
[UNKNOWN]: So he's not 48, but he's 43.
[UNKNOWN]: He's pretty loud.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, Bob Bob Bob's best move is What is it Bob's best move?
[UNKNOWN]: I feel like Bob made a lot of moves.
[UNKNOWN]: I still was best one.
[UNKNOWN]: Is it winning a immunity's three of them is his best move?
[UNKNOWN]: Is making a full of Randy that is his best move because that yeah, it's fake idol
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, the fake title is the best move because when Bob does that, Bob is safe, Bob wins a immunity, uh, no Kenny has immunity that time.
[UNKNOWN]: So it's between Randy and Bob and Bob plays a immunity or plays the fake title gives the fake title Randy Randy gets to look like an ass.
[UNKNOWN]: that pisses Bob off a lot and he goes back and he says all that stuff to sugar but that moment is why sugar ultimately forces a fire at the end and he's gonna win that fire he has anybody in fire because he was the outdoor woodsman and so Bob yeah he wins three immunities down the stretch that's what keeps him in the game
[UNKNOWN]: But there is also an argument to be made that sugar was going to be working with Bob anyway, and that map he could have been swayed.
[UNKNOWN]: Or that's Susie could have been swayed.
[UNKNOWN]: Like that season is pure chaos.
[UNKNOWN]: And for Bob, it really was the, I got to just make it one more day.
[UNKNOWN]: I just got to make it one more day.
[UNKNOWN]: He needed the immunities, but he was also 57 years old winning a bunch of immunities against a bunch of kids.
[UNKNOWN]: And and and it was the moment that
[UNKNOWN]: was when he made a fool of Randy because that's what's stuck with sugar.
[UNKNOWN]: And ultimately he was still able to get Randy's vote at the end anyway.
[UNKNOWN]: But him make you full of Randy your shirt was laughing the whole time that happened she was having a ball those are was like your favorite moment because Randy had been you know the band of her existence for so long um I just I don't think he beats Maddie and I think that he thought that from when I remember on the show I just remember him thing I didn't see make fall three kind of like Susie just want to make fall three is this season though once Marcus goes just becomes
[UNKNOWN]: It was already kind of a dumpster fire, but it became a dumpster fire after Marcus goes in terms of just the chaos, the strategy like things made sense, but only within Gabbon logic a lot of the time.
[UNKNOWN]: Not server logic, Gabbon logic, like survivor Gabbon logic.
[UNKNOWN]: So it's just, it's a really fun season.
[UNKNOWN]: Just the survivor Gabbon of it all, just, and every, every time a mess of a season happens, like 46 is a mess of some people's eyes, like it's not Gabbon.
[UNKNOWN]: It's not just nothing can be given now it's it's own thing has its own logic its own everything and did you ever I do hear Phil about the producer who I believe is a producer somebody worked on the crew who Was gotten a relationship with how was he Kelly from the season like yeah, yeah, and then he's like I'm going to get fired So he runs off the forest for like three days and then comes back only because he ran out of booze
[UNKNOWN]: And it's like, that's good bone.
[UNKNOWN]: That's good bone logic.
[UNKNOWN]: This is true.
[UNKNOWN]: You can look it up.
[UNKNOWN]: There's not this is a completely real thing You can read the interview online.
[UNKNOWN]: It's yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: That's good bone and I love it.
[UNKNOWN]: Bob, though Yeah, he is fake idol has to be the best move.
[UNKNOWN]: I know that people have made fake idols But I think he set the standard for what a fake idol could be where it's like Aussies was just a stick I know that was the joke of Micronesia.
[UNKNOWN]: It's just a stick
[UNKNOWN]: But Bob, like set the standard because you'll see it again, you'll see other people like beautiful idols and it's a David on Millennials versus Gen X makes a beautiful idol, but it's like Bob's is remember because that was like the first beautiful friend title.
[UNKNOWN]: And I feel like people don't give him nowadays the credit for that like that was so forward thinking
[UNKNOWN]: to make one that good.
[UNKNOWN]: And it was like, what'd you do?
[UNKNOWN]: I was just taking things off of production stuff.
[UNKNOWN]: Like I just took this off the shelf there.
[UNKNOWN]: I took this side, took some resin.
[UNKNOWN]: I did whatever.
[UNKNOWN]: Like nobody was thinking about the game.
[UNKNOWN]: And I remember the regular idol at this point came around in season 14.
[UNKNOWN]: So you're talking 14, 15, 16.
[UNKNOWN]: This is the fourth season of regular idols.
[UNKNOWN]: Like, and what's so funny to me with Bob is,
[UNKNOWN]: I know Bob is not a popular winner and I rank him low too from an actual gameplay standpoint.
[UNKNOWN]: Bob was the, maybe the only winner with the exception of Ethan in the history of time, who was my favorite in the first episode and ended up winning the season.
[UNKNOWN]: Like he was the guy that that's my initial rooting interest.
[UNKNOWN]: This is super what I'm excited about.
[UNKNOWN]: And it was all Bob.
[UNKNOWN]: And so I was really pumped when Bob won.
[UNKNOWN]: Now do I understand that he's not in control of the game?
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, I get that.
[UNKNOWN]: I understand that there's a lot going on in the season that like Bob is pretty lucky that he's just there and he's just a long for the ride, but at the same season as a dad figure because he doesn't act on to that when she says that to him, but he's like, oh, okay, and she's like pouring her heart out to this guy and he's like, yeah, okay, cool.
[UNKNOWN]: like, and that's what, and you know, what though, that's what a lot of the older people didn't do, or they went so far that way.
[UNKNOWN]: I think you can talk to Joe all the way back in Australia, it out back where you go so far in that direction, you become not a threat to win the game.
[UNKNOWN]: You become, you become like a character more than like an actual competitor, and that's how
[UNKNOWN]: Pascal was.
[UNKNOWN]: That's how Kentucky Joe was.
[UNKNOWN]: Tell a lot of these older people played.
[UNKNOWN]: And so Bob had a cutthroat edge to him.
[UNKNOWN]: We were talking about why can't Amanda beat poverty.
[UNKNOWN]: Her final travels aren't terrible, but she can't go for the kill.
[UNKNOWN]: Bob went for the kill a lot of times, and he was okay with it.
[UNKNOWN]: It almost cost him because this final tribal stunk, but still tell me all the people who've played over the age of 50, and you can tell me there's better players than Bob and there's better players than Gabler, but they won.
[UNKNOWN]: day one and that is a big deal.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, I don't know the oldest one or was before Bob, I'll try to look back real quick.
[UNKNOWN]: And I don't have the ages of, I mean, I'm thinking it has to be like Earl or Brian.
[UNKNOWN]: I don't know.
[UNKNOWN]: Tina was 40.
[UNKNOWN]: Oh, no, that makes sense.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, Tina was, she was out of, she was in her 40s.
[UNKNOWN]: Cause I was like trying to think it was in her 30s, but you're right, Tina was in her.
[UNKNOWN]: I think he was in her 40s.
[UNKNOWN]: Tina Ward in 1960 and then wins in 2001.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, she was 40, 41.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, you're right.
[UNKNOWN]: So Bob, like 17 years older than Tina, and makes shows that it's possible.
[UNKNOWN]: Which I know is kind of like the amazing race.
[UNKNOWN]: I love to bring up the amazing race.
[UNKNOWN]: I see that.
[UNKNOWN]: The amazing race for so many seasons filled.
[UNKNOWN]: Nobody thought a woman, woman team, a girl girl team could win that show.
[UNKNOWN]: And it took until season 17.
[UNKNOWN]: for a girl girl team to finally win.
[UNKNOWN]: It was always guy guy or guy girl, but never girl girl.
[UNKNOWN]: So it's kind of like Bob, season 17, showing it's possible for an older man to older person to win.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, season 17 amazing race.
[UNKNOWN]: It was showed that it was possible for a girl girl team to win.
[UNKNOWN]: And it's happened again since then, but it broke that barrier like, like, oh, this is possible, this could happen, you know?
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, no, and it's interesting that it like takes that long and Tom Westman was also 41's or he was actually the second oldest behind Bob at the time.
[UNKNOWN]: Westman, Westman, how old are you?
[UNKNOWN]: Sorry.
[UNKNOWN]: He was 41.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, but still that's not 57 is.
[UNKNOWN]: No, it's crazy.
[UNKNOWN]: Oh, yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: And again, like I keep going back to the point of
[UNKNOWN]: Or like when you when you say Bob's got no game and I'm not saying you, but like people I didn't know.
[UNKNOWN]: Thanks Bob stinks.
[UNKNOWN]: Whatever.
[UNKNOWN]: That's like the general feeling.
[UNKNOWN]: The thing with Bob is again, how many people over the age of 50 have played survivor?
[UNKNOWN]: how many of them actually are going to leave one or two a season at this point if you're like and how many have full potential had the potential to win?
[UNKNOWN]: Bob was the first to do it and we don't see it again until Gabler does it 26 seasons later like the nieces the next oldest winner because she wins in season 25 and I think she was like 45 at the time but we don't see it again until Gabler that's crazy that's crazy um
[UNKNOWN]: I see this comment.
[UNKNOWN]: Oh, no, go do that comment first.
[UNKNOWN]: We did a super chat here from Ryan Chandy.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, we're about having a bone finale.
[UNKNOWN]: They forgot to bring the voting or had to run back the facts of those to Jeff Gabbon and the nutshell.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, I remember they were going to like, then they were like, oh, shoot.
[UNKNOWN]: We can't find them or something like that.
[UNKNOWN]: We didn't give me even time.
[UNKNOWN]: So they were going to like trace them off of like, yeah, apart from it and try to trace how they looked or something off the footage.
[UNKNOWN]: Um, the other one though, I want to bring up was this comment saying first perfect loser was the season was sugar.
[UNKNOWN]: So we talked about perfect winner every Epis or every you know every winner we talked about so far.
[UNKNOWN]: Perfect loser is is sugar means zero votes all gaming answer, but then zero votes for her and file tribal.
[UNKNOWN]: We've only ever had that twice on survivor.
[UNKNOWN]: Dad, you know the second one is right Phil.
[UNKNOWN]: Wait, hang on.
[UNKNOWN]: So, oh, it's Russell, right?
[UNKNOWN]: No, perfect loser means zero votes against the wrong games, zero votes at the end.
[UNKNOWN]: It was not Russell.
[UNKNOWN]: There's more of a recent loser fell.
[UNKNOWN]: Hang on let me think I got to actually think about this show.
[UNKNOWN]: It is Joe from 50.
[UNKNOWN]: Yes, he was close to for it on 48, but he nailed it on 50 unintentionally, but he did it.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, and I think like sugar and Joe are so opposite like in the way that they actually Were viewed on their season and stuff like people didn't vote for sugar because they didn't like her people didn't vote for jokes.
[UNKNOWN]: They think he was playing the game and I think sugar.
[UNKNOWN]: You know, that was also the hard part about the season is
[UNKNOWN]: The show made it so much about sugar, yeah, all about sugar and so it is going to feel a little disappointing as viewers when Bob ends up winning because every I mean they put sugar on the hero tribe she's a zero vote finalist on a season and she's like cackling when Randy's getting burned and stuff and it's like he's so pretty.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, but clearly like sugar's not a hero in survivor talk, but she was to the audience, and that's why she gets thrown on the hero tribe.
[UNKNOWN]: I mean, really, Parvities more of a hero than sugar is.
[UNKNOWN]: But anyway, I digress.
[UNKNOWN]: I just wanted to say that.
[UNKNOWN]: And I think that's why Bob was also viewed not as positively, even at the time, because everybody was all in on the sugar story, and casuals could not understand how sugar didn't win the season.
[UNKNOWN]: How many votes was Bob off from a perfect game?
[UNKNOWN]: All right, I got to look.
[UNKNOWN]: No, no, don't look.
[UNKNOWN]: You're supposed to go.
[UNKNOWN]: Don't look.
[UNKNOWN]: Why no, he didn't get three votes at Final Tribal.
[UNKNOWN]: I know that.
[UNKNOWN]: Um, I want to say, because he didn't get votes towards the end.
[UNKNOWN]: And I mean, maybe one vote he got all season.
[UNKNOWN]: So that you're saying for the way he got to, he got to at the, yeah, at fire.
[UNKNOWN]: So I would say six total.
[UNKNOWN]: Yep, it was five.
[UNKNOWN]: It was five.
[UNKNOWN]: It was those two of fire plus the three missed the Final Tribal.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: Oh, so he doesn't get a single vote before fire.
[UNKNOWN]: No, no, I'm sure some people were not considering Bob as as the big threat.
[UNKNOWN]: There's always somebody else who is messier or reason, you know, whatever the reason we'll let's see at them out.
[UNKNOWN]: Not Bob.
[UNKNOWN]: Bob was just ignore any one three of the communities which helped people ignore voting for himself.
[UNKNOWN]: That's interesting.
[UNKNOWN]: I don't have a lot more for Bob and Gabbone, do you?
[UNKNOWN]: My only question I want to ask you is, okay.
[UNKNOWN]: Do you think Bob's win makes, sorry about the horn?
[UNKNOWN]: Do you think Bob's win makes a bonet better season or a worse season?
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, that's a good question.
[UNKNOWN]: I think if sugar one it would have been more narratively satisfying because I'm I'm with the crowd that saw the season the first time through and thought Wow, I didn't sugar win.
[UNKNOWN]: I wish sugar had one, but I'm a Keith Bob winning like had Suzy one It would have been narratively the most disappointing based on how the show for sure.
[UNKNOWN]: I'm afraid the story Of course, they might have shifted it had Suzy or sugar one.
[UNKNOWN]: Um, I don't know.
[UNKNOWN]: I think it really Bob winning is the perfect
[UNKNOWN]: It's the perfect summary, I don't know if that's right word.
[UNKNOWN]: It's the perfect way to end Gabbone.
[UNKNOWN]: It's so Gabbone for Bob Twinn, like it is.
[UNKNOWN]: I'm glad.
[UNKNOWN]: Had Crystal One also, would have been the perfect, I knew you would have been great too, man.
[UNKNOWN]: Tony would have been a solid winner.
[UNKNOWN]: I'm sure I think who's like the who's the people?
[UNKNOWN]: It's like that person one while it was Gabbone.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: Bob Sugar, Chris Sullivan, great winner.
[UNKNOWN]: Maddie in like a lot of people, I think Maddie's actually a great player, super underrated, but like Maddie winning isn't better for a bone.
[UNKNOWN]: It's to know to the season.
[UNKNOWN]: You need the sloppiness.
[UNKNOWN]: The fact that it's a four, three vote, Bob versus Suzie at the end is impeccable.
[UNKNOWN]: Historic note.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: No, it's Maddy winning one to make the season better.
[UNKNOWN]: It might have been a little worse.
[UNKNOWN]: So I think Bob actually enhances it over Maddy.
[UNKNOWN]: So I agree.
[UNKNOWN]: Anyways, hey, next.
[UNKNOWN]: Next clue.
[UNKNOWN]: We go from perfect loser to perfect winner.
[UNKNOWN]: Perfect loser to perfect winner.
[UNKNOWN]: Let's do it.
[UNKNOWN]: All right.
[UNKNOWN]: So we are up to JT, the first guy that everybody showed up on that whatever, because it was like a plateau, wasn't even an island or a beach.
[UNKNOWN]: They all showed up and said, you know what would be cool if Zach I want?
[UNKNOWN]: What if we just all wanted Zach I don't know if we just like let him win?
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, she knows who's cool.
[UNKNOWN]: JT is really cool.
[UNKNOWN]: You guys got to move this JT guy.
[UNKNOWN]: He's just the best.
[UNKNOWN]: Dude, JT is so crazy.
[UNKNOWN]: He blinds everybody.
[UNKNOWN]: I can't believe there's a whole episode it felt like dedicated just like JT's the best.
[UNKNOWN]: Why don't we just let JT win?
[UNKNOWN]: Like that was a whole episode of this season.
[UNKNOWN]: It was like up to nine or 10.
[UNKNOWN]: It was right for Brendan, I think I'm saying it's a Brendan or Brandon.
[UNKNOWN]: It was Brendan.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: And he was already rich off of his business.
[UNKNOWN]: He had sold, so he didn't care about the money.
[UNKNOWN]: But it's like the episode where he's like, I want JT to win.
[UNKNOWN]: And it's like, but you hear from other people like, oh, I love JT.
[UNKNOWN]: Oh yeah, JT should win.
[UNKNOWN]: It's like, what is going on?
[UNKNOWN]: Are we in the twilight zone?
[UNKNOWN]: Everybody kept saying if it wasn't going to be them, they wanted to be JT.
[UNKNOWN]: I mean, Brandon's confessional is so epic, where he's like, if I can't do this, I want it to be JT.
[UNKNOWN]: Like I just say that.
[UNKNOWN]: He said, how can I get this guy to the end?
[UNKNOWN]: He didn't say, if I can't.
[UNKNOWN]: We literally just said, I want to get him to the end of making a wish.
[UNKNOWN]: I'm just like, what?
[UNKNOWN]: What?
[UNKNOWN]: I mean, I tapped it.
[UNKNOWN]: I'm glad they cast.
[UNKNOWN]: This is a great cast all the time.
[UNKNOWN]: I don't think they missed this season at all.
[UNKNOWN]: I know that everyone's a big character, but I don't think they missed this season.
[UNKNOWN]: And it has some of the most underrated women to never play again, Sierra, Erin, and Taj, all should have played survived.
[UNKNOWN]: Oh, I read Todd right out.
[UNKNOWN]: 10 times, which keeps saying, no, that's her deal.
[UNKNOWN]: And Erin ended up marrying like an NHL player or something.
[UNKNOWN]: So she's out.
[UNKNOWN]: But she, I mean, I don't even was amazing.
[UNKNOWN]: Erin was like, one of my all-time favorites, token cheeses of phenomenal cast.
[UNKNOWN]: And they went more old school here.
[UNKNOWN]: They went with the 16 people,
[UNKNOWN]: Final two, just let it play out.
[UNKNOWN]: Let's bring people back because they were listening to the fans and the fans were getting annoyed by the direction the show was going.
[UNKNOWN]: The bone production and like a bone even though a lot of people did like a bone production and like a bone it was too chaotic they wanted to go more simplistic and what's funny is you go simplistic and you get one of the most old school winners in the history of the show, but what JT is so underrated for is
[UNKNOWN]: social social social when people talk about the best social players of all time the JT is so dominant on this season that he'll normally come up as physical or come up as strategic JT social game
[UNKNOWN]: might be the best one we've ever seen on this season because you don't just get people to want you to win the game.
[UNKNOWN]: You have to convince them that that's a good idea.
[UNKNOWN]: And the way he navigates every single person on this season.
[UNKNOWN]: And for me, it's the way he handles coach.
[UNKNOWN]: Because everybody knows coach's a character.
[UNKNOWN]: But JT is handling coaches a character while also treating him with the
[UNKNOWN]: I just, I love it.
[UNKNOWN]: I love it.
[UNKNOWN]: He's got that every person is different.
[UNKNOWN]: You can't treat everybody the same.
[UNKNOWN]: I think, and also it's hard to ignore, seem fish back.
[UNKNOWN]: They both need each other.
[UNKNOWN]: I think we've seen that in their subsequent seasons like they balance each other out.
[UNKNOWN]: It's, and I don't knock either of them.
[UNKNOWN]: That's why.
[UNKNOWN]: I know earlier we had a commenter saying, because somebody's friends with somebody else like should we detract it when?
[UNKNOWN]: That's not what we're saying at all.
[UNKNOWN]: And this season is the first time I can think of words like a duo, I don't know.
[UNKNOWN]: I know that Taj was an important part but they ended up cutting Taj.
[UNKNOWN]: They have cutting Taj at four.
[UNKNOWN]: They kind of are four.
[UNKNOWN]: I know.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, I just didn't really feel like like she's part of their lines, but I wasn't like like JT Steven bromance.
[UNKNOWN]: I think one point they held hands up finale.
[UNKNOWN]: You know what I mean?
[UNKNOWN]: Like it was a bromance, and I love it.
[UNKNOWN]: And they definitely need each other because Steven without JT.
[UNKNOWN]: Steven's not quite as, and he doesn't do as well, but also doesn't, I don't know, like they click together, and it was definitely right timing and everything.
[UNKNOWN]: JT with that Steven, no one's holding him down.
[UNKNOWN]: JT plays in house money, every time he comes back, like he doesn't care, but this season it works.
[UNKNOWN]: JT is just like the perfect person for this season.
[UNKNOWN]: Location, I know it's not always beautiful, but I love that it was, he's last time he did an inland location.
[UNKNOWN]: I don't make a ruggle with kind of inland wasn't it on the water though, they're on the water.
[UNKNOWN]: They just can't use the water.
[UNKNOWN]: That's right.
[UNKNOWN]: They just can't you know, because Bob you had to pee in the pool.
[UNKNOWN]: Next time on our podcast.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, that's the best move being in the pool.
[UNKNOWN]: That's a joke.
[UNKNOWN]: By the way, yeah, if you move.
[UNKNOWN]: JT.
[UNKNOWN]: So obviously, he had a perfect game to only talk about that, no votes against them all game.
[UNKNOWN]: It does get three in the U.S., I think his for me is more impressive than Cochrane's because
[UNKNOWN]: This is an all-newbie cast like nobody came in with any preconceived notion by each other.
[UNKNOWN]: Where's Cochrane did have friends coming into the season.
[UNKNOWN]: And that doesn't make his win any less.
[UNKNOWN]: I'm just saying if I had to like pick JT's because Cochrane came in with Dawn.
[UNKNOWN]: JT had Steven, but he didn't come in with Steven.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: You know, they weren't buddies for this season, started.
[UNKNOWN]: I always give a little bit more credit the first time winners like first time playing and then you win I always give a little bit more credit there because I do feel like That's the purest version of the game you can play right and that doesn't mean I'm not putting Boston Rob at the bottom, but when Boston Rob comes back for a support fourth time and plays against a bunch of people who have never played the game.
[UNKNOWN]: Especially a lot of them didn't know what they were doing.
[UNKNOWN]: It's hard for me to really put it on the same playing field, but I'll still review your camel a little bit more because Kim is playing for the first time with a bunch of first timers.
[UNKNOWN]: It's not her fault that they put a bunch of idiots on her season.
[UNKNOWN]: Boston Robbs.
[UNKNOWN]: It's kind of like, okay, they were trying to get it on the reason on purpose for.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, they kind of kept giving him the ball by the net and saying, come on, buddy, make the shots you can get a thousand points.
[UNKNOWN]: And so.
[UNKNOWN]: that the thing is with JT's, nobody knows who JT is.
[UNKNOWN]: There's no aura around JT.
[UNKNOWN]: He just comes out and he plays the game.
[UNKNOWN]: And what's so crazy is he's down six to three after Joe gets meta-backs from this game.
[UNKNOWN]: And when Joe gets meta-back from this game, even before that, JT had such a handle on that tribe, getting rid of Sydney.
[UNKNOWN]: when Joe was like really fighting for it to be Taj.
[UNKNOWN]: And so that is where that bond between Stephen Taj and J.T.
[UNKNOWN]: really solidified.
[UNKNOWN]: And then it was okay, how do we infiltrate Timbera?
[UNKNOWN]: And so what's the first thing they do when they go to infiltrate Timbera?
[UNKNOWN]: They go after Brandon.
[UNKNOWN]: Brandon gets voted out in the split boat and he has now made Tyson and Coach feel so good that his best move undoubtedly in my opinion is when he votes Tyson out of the game at final 80.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, JT's social game is so good, but it also helped that he wanted MUDs in terms of, like, sometimes you'll see somebody when you're like, kind of feels like it was just their immunity wins.
[UNKNOWN]: I know we'll get to my call away, and that'll be a lot of people's detractions for him, or it's just their idols of Ben.
[UNKNOWN]: But with JT, it's like he had everything.
[UNKNOWN]: He won immunity, see how to create social game.
[UNKNOWN]: I believe poverty, by the way, I know we talked about her already.
[UNKNOWN]: Didn't she win three immunity's as well?
[UNKNOWN]: Am I mistaken?
[UNKNOWN]: But we got no streak of winners who were just winning
[UNKNOWN]: I think that was hero's villains.
[UNKNOWN]: I'm looking right now.
[UNKNOWN]: That was hero's villain.
[UNKNOWN]: Actually one one on that.
[UNKNOWN]: Oh, my bad.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, I'm sometimes I get this two games and just like I mix them together.
[UNKNOWN]: I feel like a lot of people do.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, so JT though this season I will never knock this season because of what JT does on his subsequent seasons I don't try not to do any other winners, but like I try not to be like, oh, well, JT and here is villains did this
[UNKNOWN]: You know what though?
[UNKNOWN]: Like, that's the same GT.
[UNKNOWN]: I just, I think he plays heroes villains.
[UNKNOWN]: It's like, what, two weeks after the season, something like that.
[UNKNOWN]: Like, it films after the season finishes airing.
[UNKNOWN]: Like, rafted season finishes airing.
[UNKNOWN]: He's on a high after playing the first ever perfect game.
[UNKNOWN]: Going to the end of the villains.
[UNKNOWN]: Also his game in here as villains is like excellent until he gives away and he tells him is there ready to give away an idol to Russell who nobody had seen play and I've already thought was a normal villain like they all thought he was Boston Robb and Tyson and Coach like if to remember JT is coming into that season bodies with Tyson and coach.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, they're villains as I mean JT doesn't like them whereas so they all assumed Russell was like that like all these people got along they didn't realize right Russell was actually a sociopath like a real villain, you know.
[UNKNOWN]: And so that was the difference, everybody knocks JT for that and I always say JT doesn't make a bad move there at all because JT does that and Russell is actually a normal person then Russell goes with them.
[UNKNOWN]: It's six four and JT is going to sit at final three probably with Colby and Rupert like that's crazy to think about that probably what's going to happen on that season and then people will be like, oh, this, that whatever Russell is the first person,
[UNKNOWN]: they didn't watch chemo so they didn't know he is the first person voted off of that season if they had watched chemo so I don't knock JT at all and then even game changers he's playing the win not to get 12 so he doesn't play his idol yes why I JT makes stupid moves and subsequent seasons but he's definitely not there to just sit on his hands and go to the end and hope and hope to be the best of the three he's there to make moves
[UNKNOWN]: And B. Flashy and I'm surprised to write where hasn't embraced him more.
[UNKNOWN]: Like, I'm surprised he wasn't brought back for winners at war, for example, because the imbalance of new era of our sold era of that season, the JT would should have been old.
[UNKNOWN]: I mean, I guess they were brought back hatch.
[UNKNOWN]: They were the problem for JT was that after he played on game changers, every winner after that was a man.
[UNKNOWN]: And so I think that hurt me because they wanted to bring back as many people as they could and so you bring back then you bring back and if you bring back Wendell and they don't even bring back Tommy and Chris, but everybody is a man after that and then before they even bring back Adam, who's in 33 years Jeremy sir, they're too many men in that area had more women one actually than JT probably does play out.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, my colleagues who they didn't bring him back, which I think it's a shame, but all right.
[UNKNOWN]: So G-T on this season though, just fantastic, like social game constantly, right, he handles coach super well.
[UNKNOWN]: He handles everybody's super well, and he reads through BS, him and Stephen, read through the BS.
[UNKNOWN]: Does our remember that?
[UNKNOWN]: There's not one scene where coach and and Debbie, specifically, we're like gaslighting everybody, and like Sierra said this, Sierra did this, Sierra did this,
[UNKNOWN]: And Sierra's like, I did none of those things.
[UNKNOWN]: I said, you know, that is not true.
[UNKNOWN]: And if you watch the show, Sierra is correct.
[UNKNOWN]: That is not true.
[UNKNOWN]: They are making stuff up and gassling the ever loving crap out of her.
[UNKNOWN]: Being like, yes, you did Sierra.
[UNKNOWN]: Yes, you did.
[UNKNOWN]: And they're so passionate about this.
[UNKNOWN]: JT and Steven are like,
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, I don't really believe this, but it would be the best move to go off Sierra anyways.
[UNKNOWN]: You know, it's like they were able to separate emotions from gameplay and be able to read what was true while I wasn't, but they're like, it would please more people to go off Sierra.
[UNKNOWN]: And help us, even if we don't believe them, we're voting or off, but not for the reason they want.
[UNKNOWN]: You know, not exactly, because then they're shocked when Debbie goes after that, like they can't leave with that, that would happen.
[UNKNOWN]: And the Sierra thing is so funny, because that is such unbelievable gaslighting from two older people who think they know everything, like coach and Debbie are such assholes during that entire thing.
[UNKNOWN]: Oh, and that whole episode after ticing is blindsided.
[UNKNOWN]: That's why they're acting that way.
[UNKNOWN]: They just going off the rail, picing at the blind side.
[UNKNOWN]: They're like, oh, no.
[UNKNOWN]: We need to do everything we can to make CRL look evil.
[UNKNOWN]: And I'm still 34.
[UNKNOWN]: So I'm like getting a little bit older guys.
[UNKNOWN]: But like, they start doing that thing that adults do when they know that they're wrong.
[UNKNOWN]: And it's, well, you're young and stupid and immature.
[UNKNOWN]: And they start using the age thing because they won't actually have a valid argument.
[UNKNOWN]: That they bring up how she's young and that's why she doesn't like know anything.
[UNKNOWN]: Oh, the age thing.
[UNKNOWN]: I face it at the age thing.
[UNKNOWN]: I'm like, no, no, no, no, no, page where it's like, you know, an old person will be like, well, I'm better.
[UNKNOWN]: I'm smarter than you because I'm older than you.
[UNKNOWN]: It's like, you haven't lived it.
[UNKNOWN]: No, coach and Debbie absolutely lie.
[UNKNOWN]: They're ever loving faces off to Sierra.
[UNKNOWN]: And Sierra is a hundred percent correct.
[UNKNOWN]: And they're only argument is, well, she's young and dumb.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, yeah, because she's an idiot as they're arguments like what and JT and Steven are just like let them keep going to be able to be right through it.
[UNKNOWN]: They see right through it, but they know that voting off Sierra would be strategically better because it's going to appease people and that's going to help them move in the game.
[UNKNOWN]: Oh, because coach is super emotional as we see in all of his subsequent seasons.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, which is super emotional.
[UNKNOWN]: You have to run with his emotions if you want to
[UNKNOWN]: For example, you know, it's in beer and needed to beer and needed an artist to hold them all together and it didn't they didn't have Oh, this is a good point.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, I don't know if they're Kassaya levels of messy, but they needed a they needed glue and they didn't have glue and they're trying to glue Ice and wasn't glue coach wasn't glue.
[UNKNOWN]: Debbie wasn't glue.
[UNKNOWN]: Well, so I'm not trying to post more.
[UNKNOWN]: I'm trying to post more because I was Sierra Aaron Aaron couldn't wait to get to
[UNKNOWN]: and Brendan was so busy trying to make.
[UNKNOWN]: Brendan wanted to get out coach and make JT win.
[UNKNOWN]: Brendan was not the glue to bury that.
[UNKNOWN]: To be able to have it in glue and I can't say I did like Jerry.
[UNKNOWN]: I know he got it.
[UNKNOWN]: It's about a third from their tribe.
[UNKNOWN]: Candace, I don't really remember her much except the Candace wasn't great.
[UNKNOWN]: I think Coach found her attractive.
[UNKNOWN]: That's all I remember about.
[UNKNOWN]: Candace's story.
[UNKNOWN]: Jay, I like Jerry.
[UNKNOWN]: Jerry, Code of Bend, the glue.
[UNKNOWN]: I don't know.
[UNKNOWN]: You know, he didn't make it far enough.
[UNKNOWN]: Also going to mention Carolina Eastwood, Carolina Eastwood, Carolina Eastwood, the season.
[UNKNOWN]: So again, the casting of the season is excellent, because without casting her, you wouldn't get David proposing to her at the reunion of Redemption.
[UNKNOWN]: Is there anything more uncomfortable in Survivor History than that moment?
[UNKNOWN]: And the fact that they don't even work out because David cheats on her with someone from one world.
[UNKNOWN]: I think it was Alicia, but I don't wanna, like, I think it's Alicia, I don't for sure.
[UNKNOWN]: It's just that, and it's not even like it worked out.
[UNKNOWN]: It's not like it was awkward but worked out.
[UNKNOWN]: No, it was awkward and it did not work out.
[UNKNOWN]: That's so crazy.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, that is like the fifth season.
[UNKNOWN]: It all started to the most on.
[UNKNOWN]: One of the most uncomfortable moments I've ever seen in the show's history.
[UNKNOWN]: do do so a lot of your people who will talk about winners that they take into account much of a second and third games rather than taking into account just as first.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, that's a good question.
[UNKNOWN]: So they haven't ranked ninth overall.
[UNKNOWN]: So I can't figure it out.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, I think that's actually not bad considering who's below.
[UNKNOWN]: I personally would put him
[UNKNOWN]: So I'm looking at how they have everybody wearing.
[UNKNOWN]: So I'm going to run again.
[UNKNOWN]: This is public.
[UNKNOWN]: You can watch my videos, ranking everyone or ranking overseas in 2026 editions on my channel once on Island.
[UNKNOWN]: But okay.
[UNKNOWN]: So here's the top nine.
[UNKNOWN]: So here's how we got to JT.
[UNKNOWN]: You have Tony Vloco, so winners of war.
[UNKNOWN]: Can't argue with that at one.
[UNKNOWN]: We're going from one.
[UNKNOWN]: Two is parvity.
[UNKNOWN]: We already talked about parvity.
[UNKNOWN]: I wouldn't have parvity at two, but I'd have her in that I top 10 for sure.
[UNKNOWN]: Tony of Kagan's three, you'll of Cook Islands is four and it's like I get all these placements.
[UNKNOWN]: Jeremy is five from Cambodia.
[UNKNOWN]: Todd is six from China.
[UNKNOWN]: Tyson is seven from Blood vs. Water and Natalie Anderson is eight from San Juan, Delser and the New York JT.
[UNKNOWN]: I personally
[UNKNOWN]: above Todd below Jeremy if I had to like and that's like maybe even that maybe he's five but I don't think I'd put him above Ull and Tony.
[UNKNOWN]: I think I was I think I really like Ulls win and I like Tony's wins.
[UNKNOWN]: I'd probably put JT top five and same with Cochran.
[UNKNOWN]: I don't know, Cochrane's not as fun to watch.
[UNKNOWN]: And that is part of my ranking.
[UNKNOWN]: Now, strictly, members watch, JT's top two win.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: Remember, it's top two in, but personally how I feel, JT is definitely top 10.
[UNKNOWN]: I don't know if he's top five.
[UNKNOWN]: Like, I would be a little debating.
[UNKNOWN]: But I think nine's not in unfair ranking.
[UNKNOWN]: He's actually moved up last year.
[UNKNOWN]: He was 12.
[UNKNOWN]: And then this season fell, where do you think it falls?
[UNKNOWN]: Eight.
[UNKNOWN]: dead on or you have a lot of it.
[UNKNOWN]: I didn't even listen to your videos.
[UNKNOWN]: Maybe maybe I accidentally like kept it on one night when I was asleep and I just processed it on goodness yeah you got that one and you got Micronesia dead on.
[UNKNOWN]: I don't know good bone if I think I just told you about it and have you guess on it.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah so yeah um yeah I
[UNKNOWN]: J.T.
[UNKNOWN]: number nine, I probably move up a couple of spots, but I'm not too hung up on nine, like at the end of the day, when you have literally thousands and thousands of thousands of people voting, it's like, this is the consensus as of 2026.
[UNKNOWN]: We'll see you happens next year.
[UNKNOWN]: So I will say it's going to take it's going to take the full five weeks before we talk about J.T.
[UNKNOWN]: in our rankings.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, he should.
[UNKNOWN]: He's in our top 10.
[UNKNOWN]: That's the only.
[UNKNOWN]: I keep hitting this damn light today.
[UNKNOWN]: I want to say, JT's final tribal, and I think this goes over looked, I think it's a top, I hope it's a top five.
[UNKNOWN]: I want to say it's a top five final tribal performance, because you think he would just walk in there and just like every fellow over back or term.
[UNKNOWN]: He goes in there and hammer Stephen hard.
[UNKNOWN]: Stephen goes in with all the best intentions, JT's like, don't care, I'm going in there to ensure I'm going to win this game.
[UNKNOWN]: JT goes in hard attacking Stephen, and then the one time Stephen goes to tech JT, JT's
[UNKNOWN]: Why are you attacking poor old me?
[UNKNOWN]: I know.
[UNKNOWN]: Why would you do that, Stephen?
[UNKNOWN]: And it's like, he's gaslighting everyone.
[UNKNOWN]: He'd be like, Stephen's attacking me.
[UNKNOWN]: Why would he do that?
[UNKNOWN]: But it's like, what?
[UNKNOWN]: You've been attacking Stephen Mowfile Tribal.
[UNKNOWN]: Stephen says that, but he had everyone falling over backwards for him.
[UNKNOWN]: It didn't matter.
[UNKNOWN]: Stephen did not have a chance.
[UNKNOWN]: And Stephen talks about getting out JT but by the time he can, JT wins immunity, it's too late.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, he even's early opportunity.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, JT was, or it's last opportunity, was when they vote off Debbie, yeah, he didn't know JT was about to win free in a row, JT and one any up to that point, you know, craziness and Steven had won the one right for JT went on to win three.
[UNKNOWN]: So I can't even knock Steven too much because that JT missed one of those three and Steven and do it like Steven should knock them out, but where you're going to do when they're still Debbie coach and Aaron left.
[UNKNOWN]: You know, I mean, and the thing, the thing is too, it's like you have to play with who your alliances, right?
[UNKNOWN]: So like Steven has to play with JT as long as he can, but though I agree with you, JT is final tribal of like, well, I'm happy I want immunity yesterday, because I don't know if you would have taken me and he really, really leans into that, understanding what that jury was taking seriously.
[UNKNOWN]: Like,
[UNKNOWN]: That's where JT's win, too.
[UNKNOWN]: It's like he's sitting next to a great survivor player and beats them seven nothing.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: And that's what's also unbelievably impressive because if JT or Steven tries to get rid of JT too early, how does he get to final two?
[UNKNOWN]: He probably can't.
[UNKNOWN]: So he had to do what he had to do.
[UNKNOWN]: And it was the fact that he put the doubt in that he might have taken Aaron.
[UNKNOWN]: And that was it.
[UNKNOWN]: That Jerry was just like, well, screw you, do we're out on you.
[UNKNOWN]: It really helps when somebody wins against good competition.
[UNKNOWN]: So I think it's partially why Bob drinks a low and why poverty's ranked so high is like poverty wanting to get some solid competition at the end, JT wins and solid competition, but Bob, I mean, we're not talking about a great fall through there.
[UNKNOWN]: And it's also, so I was working on Rizgad's SRI for a United Video today.
[UNKNOWN]: And as I'm rewatching, I'm like Rizgad's impressive, but at the same time, like the 49 cast kind of sucks, like astrategic players, not talking about as people.
[UNKNOWN]: Strategically, I'm like, they're like doing nothing to out this guy, to like try to flush his idol.
[UNKNOWN]: They're like, well he has an idol, I guess we can't do anything.
[UNKNOWN]: What?
[UNKNOWN]: What do you mean you can't do anything?
[UNKNOWN]: That's just like, it makes him less impressive because the people who's playing against are not that impressive.
[UNKNOWN]: And so when JT wins against Steven, it's like, we'll see if it is impressive, but then he just gets stunked.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: Evening at somebody else wins.
[UNKNOWN]: I don't know why, I don't know this season specifically.
[UNKNOWN]: Like how JT gone, Steven beats Aaron.
[UNKNOWN]: I think that's apparent.
[UNKNOWN]: Aaron versus Steven would have been close if Steven was the one who picked Aaron.
[UNKNOWN]: Oh, well, that's how that would have happened.
[UNKNOWN]: I mean, or Aaron had won and picked Steven.
[UNKNOWN]: I'm not sure.
[UNKNOWN]: I mean, I think Steven is even picking everyone.
[UNKNOWN]: It's a lot of people off.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, because they would felt JT was unfairly eliminated when we wanted them to win.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, you couldn't give JT a chance of final triples, right?
[UNKNOWN]: I mean, it's probably what would have happened.
[UNKNOWN]: It's the most brainwashing that like ever happened on a season.
[UNKNOWN]: Oh, I mean, that's probably the one that's logic for you.
[UNKNOWN]: Gabbom logic and then cocaine logic.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: This is the perfect season for JT to play on and he played his hand perfectly.
[UNKNOWN]: Like it, there are bad moves.
[UNKNOWN]: What is JT's worst move?
[UNKNOWN]: I don't know.
[UNKNOWN]: And it says a lot like it's just that there was an opportunity really from to blow it.
[UNKNOWN]: I guess they could have lost less people in the pre-merge, but I almost felt like the help is going into the merge because, well, let's get these timberer people.
[UNKNOWN]: We're not worried about the job how three perfect.
[UNKNOWN]: Well, and what people forget to is because Jerry got sick.
[UNKNOWN]: that is actually a big reason why they keep around Aaron.
[UNKNOWN]: And that's why that alliance just isn't cohesive.
[UNKNOWN]: It's because like they wanted Jerry, they didn't want Aaron.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, if Jerry got sick, so they had to get rid of Jerry and then that totally changed the complexion of Timbera and they never were able to work together.
[UNKNOWN]: I like Jerry too.
[UNKNOWN]: I know he's never going to obviously never come back.
[UNKNOWN]: Isn't that kind of why why?
[UNKNOWN]: Um, but I like Jerry.
[UNKNOWN]: Well, the three episodes of song, like where we're off season, I'm like, man, I really like Jerry.
[UNKNOWN]: Like I wish you had stayed longer.
[UNKNOWN]: I think Jerry is pretty pretty off there.
[UNKNOWN]: But I think Jerry is is amazing.
[UNKNOWN]: Um, it's just,
[UNKNOWN]: He couldn't, he couldn't hang out there.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, right, I don't think, I don't know.
[UNKNOWN]: So anyways, this season, great season, great winner, definitely top 10 for both.
[UNKNOWN]: If the Anyway says less, I'm like, what are you talking about?
[UNKNOWN]: This is the top 10 season, top 10 winner.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, so just a little bit.
[UNKNOWN]: So I will, this is a little peepy behind the curtain.
[UNKNOWN]: I'll give you the lowest ranking that JT has in it.
[UNKNOWN]: We did four lists.
[UNKNOWN]: It was mind-wills, blanks, and then John and McKenna did one together.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, yeah, I think I agree with that.
[UNKNOWN]: Just like
[UNKNOWN]: So what's funny is if you were to ask me then to rank the best players of all time, JT would be lower for me.
[UNKNOWN]: Oh, no, because then you're counting other seasons, right?
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: I mean, I could, I can defend his hearsler's villains move, but I can't defend game changers.
[UNKNOWN]: Like game changers was just like, what were you thinking?
[UNKNOWN]: Here's where's films?
[UNKNOWN]: I know what you were thinking.
[UNKNOWN]: And I get it.
[UNKNOWN]: It didn't work, but I get where you were coming from.
[UNKNOWN]: Game changers, like I don't know what you're thinking.
[UNKNOWN]: I don't think you were thinking.
[UNKNOWN]: That's why I think I think we're thinking about getting to the end and holding the idol.
[UNKNOWN]: I thought he got one more.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: All right.
[UNKNOWN]: Well, hey.
[UNKNOWN]: Let's move on to a very controversial winner.
[UNKNOWN]: I don't even have anything to add for those of you.
[UNKNOWN]: Look, so I know that as we move away from Survivor Simoa, people don't understand what Russell was in season 19.
[UNKNOWN]: Like people do not understand how important he was to survive anymore.
[UNKNOWN]: I really like if you're a new viewer, you can't understand how important he was.
[UNKNOWN]: He was everything when this season aired.
[UNKNOWN]: Jeff called him the closest thing to pure evil we've ever had on the show.
[UNKNOWN]: And he ends up going all the way to Final 3, he changes the entire game of survivor, right?
[UNKNOWN]: He does all of this stuff, but his social game is awful.
[UNKNOWN]: he is flat out mean to people throughout the entire season.
[UNKNOWN]: So he loses it.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: But Natalie White is so hard for me to talk about because I can really talk about what I've seen.
[UNKNOWN]: And I'm not going to sit here and act like she played some unbelievable social game when I watched her play one episode of social game.
[UNKNOWN]: I'm not going to act like she was like this brilliant strategist when she wasn't.
[UNKNOWN]: Like she grabbed on Russell says to parvity and heroes versus villains.
[UNKNOWN]: Just grab my coat tails and ride.
[UNKNOWN]: And she says, I don't write anybody's coat tails.
[UNKNOWN]: Natalie White just grabbed Russell's co-tales and wrote and that was it.
[UNKNOWN]: She just went along for the ride and she won the season.
[UNKNOWN]: But that was the smartest thing to do on Survivor Simoa.
[UNKNOWN]: So how can I really fault her for pulling off the strategy that was necessary to win this season?
[UNKNOWN]: And what's funny is Wes and I don't know if you'll agree with this, she almost gets lumped in in the same boat as Bob, where it's like how many people like Natalie White would win this season?
[UNKNOWN]: Have won a season?
[UNKNOWN]: It's really herring genima rakska.
[UNKNOWN]: Natalie White wins the season because she does what it takes on her season.
[UNKNOWN]: We've seen so many players of the archetype who you can say are better players but they lose.
[UNKNOWN]: So I'm curious your thoughts on Natalie because I always rank her unbelievable because I didn't see her.
[UNKNOWN]: So I will say this is something I see commented a lot so when I made her win her video I did it people were like released the Natalie at it of Samoa and so I took every little thing I could
[UNKNOWN]: there's straight secret scenes just about Natalie.
[UNKNOWN]: It took everything I could where anybody talks about Natalie and just put in that video.
[UNKNOWN]: It's an hour-long video and it's not like it's the director's cut, you know.
[UNKNOWN]: It's my version of the director's cut because they clearly had so much more but they just chose not to include it.
[UNKNOWN]: Now there are scenes that are still focused on Russell because it's a very Russell-focused episode.
[UNKNOWN]: I think when you watch the first time through, you're like narratively,
[UNKNOWN]: Russell should have won narratively.
[UNKNOWN]: That's how it feels.
[UNKNOWN]: But then you go back and you think, and if you watch Survivor Enough, or you understand the show, or understand the game, because the show, Russell should have won.
[UNKNOWN]: The game, I get why Natalie won.
[UNKNOWN]: I think what Natalie did, and it's very succinct to say, Natalie made friends Russell made a maze.
[UNKNOWN]: That's it.
[UNKNOWN]: Natalie strategically, you're right.
[UNKNOWN]: There was one episode where she was very crucial as that
[UNKNOWN]: where she's very crucial to what happened.
[UNKNOWN]: Um, she, what, I think, I think she flipped the law.
[UNKNOWN]: I forgot exactly what happened.
[UNKNOWN]: That whole, that whole tribe, what a disaster.
[UNKNOWN]: They didn't have the glue because Russell swan left.
[UNKNOWN]: That wasn't the end of that tribe.
[UNKNOWN]: Couldn't hang because the women were so clicky.
[UNKNOWN]: And the many women just didn't get along.
[UNKNOWN]: And that was the episode where she's able to convince them the vote out, Eric.
[UNKNOWN]: Um, yes, and that is Eric goes out 10 to 2 because she convinces everybody to go that way and essentially brain washes the women the one that we'll say that was not really definitely makes friends and we're also definitely makes enemies.
[UNKNOWN]: Yes.
[UNKNOWN]: The Laura Merett Monica Padilla right.
[UNKNOWN]: And I'm trying to think here like.
[UNKNOWN]: Danger Dave maybe a little bit less danger Dave, but like Laura Monica are two of the most bitter jurors in the history of survivor like Laura is so unbelievably bitter on this season and what I find so fascinating about the reason I'm calling it out.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, it's because Laura is so mean.
[UNKNOWN]: to Shamba the whole season and her and Monica and Kelly are just so unnecessarily nasty to Kelly.
[UNKNOWN]: And if Laura had done what Russell did, she would have wanted the respect for it at the end, and she would have thought she deserved it.
[UNKNOWN]: But she did not have the backbone at that time, which it seems like in blood versus water she was different, but she didn't have the backbone at that time to turn around and give it to somebody else who deserved it.
[UNKNOWN]: She could have easily convinced Kelly and Monica to both vote her way and give Russell the win, but she was so bitter that she got outplayed because she thought she was the smartest person in the room and she wasn't.
[UNKNOWN]: Laura on the in the ponderosa video is a blood versus water is there to not be better and to I think who things out because I forget exactly who is upset with her RSV and this was V this was upset with her yeah because she helped Tina wherever V this and blood versus water.
[UNKNOWN]: Um, so she works that out.
[UNKNOWN]: So like Laura on blood on blood versus water and it probably helps having your daughter there.
[UNKNOWN]: She's older, wives are like less salty, but she's just just less salty as he's.
[UNKNOWN]: But this season, she's a bit more salty.
[UNKNOWN]: But running through the jurors like, okay, we heard Eric explain that, you know, how he, he's like, why do we value?
[UNKNOWN]: Well, Russell, why do we value Russell's game more than your game now?
[UNKNOWN]: Like, like, what determines that?
[UNKNOWN]: What's the rule for that?
[UNKNOWN]: And so therefore, I think you deserve the wins.
[UNKNOWN]: Like, is very clear why Eric voted for her.
[UNKNOWN]: She makes friends with Laura.
[UNKNOWN]: Like, Russell is at odds with Laura the entire time.
[UNKNOWN]: They're never with each other.
[UNKNOWN]: First time they meet Russell does this little, you know, where he's like, trying to get good and get people to be like, hey, you're on my file three, you're on my file three.
[UNKNOWN]: He does that this season and next season.
[UNKNOWN]: You're on my file three.
[UNKNOWN]: To people who he has no intention of taking a file three.
[UNKNOWN]: Laura and him are at odds.
[UNKNOWN]: Natalie makes friends with Laura.
[UNKNOWN]: Natalie makes friends with Brett specifically.
[UNKNOWN]: It's three people that like guaranteed like they're not voting for Russell out the gate.
[UNKNOWN]: I can't I don't remember I'd swear in her video.
[UNKNOWN]: I was like very little much like every single germ like why do they vote for her.
[UNKNOWN]: We know the venture votes for Russell.
[UNKNOWN]: a champ of oath for Natalie, I'm sorry, your champ of oath for both for wrestles is two wrestled votes.
[UNKNOWN]: Everyone else with the exception of Dave Ball, there's evidence in the show or in the Ponderosa videos or whatever of why they vote for Natalie, Dave Ball's the only one that's like I couldn't find a thing.
[UNKNOWN]: The close thing I found Phil was when they were on, they went over a ward where they had like their old, like the cell phones, apparently they just promote those and like take pictures and like low-res photos, but it was
[UNKNOWN]: cool at the time, I guess, like a photo of her in Dave and like there wasn't Russell in the photo.
[UNKNOWN]: I'm like this is the only evidence I have of her in Dave having a connection at all, you know?
[UNKNOWN]: But everyone else I was able to find like why do they not vote for Russell?
[UNKNOWN]: Why did they vote for Natalie?
[UNKNOWN]: So like if you're looking for that, that's all in that video.
[UNKNOWN]: I don't want to like two promotional myself, but this is the one video where it's like, I felt like I Like I put extra effort into it.
[UNKNOWN]: So I feel like I had to because like yeah, why did Natalie win?
[UNKNOWN]: The show was interesting telling you that You're interested in Russell stories, but because also Russell is what the show wanted the show to be Like Russell is where the show the direction it wanted to go with idols and gameplay and strategy and being your face and honestly being entertaining Natalie whites and not very entertaining
[UNKNOWN]: Russell is like that's a fact.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: Russell just he just made enemies of people up as they were walking out the door and the fact that they buried in the show in the recap episode
[UNKNOWN]: Russell revealing he's a millionaire and then they treated it like you should know this on the normal show Yeah, but they've never done that with a recap episode where they hid something that was actually crucial to the season Usually the recap stuff's just like here's superfluous scenes that we didn't include that are just like fun extra bonus stuff No, this is like a crucial scene and they put in the recap episode like they didn't have time in the proper show for the 100 million Russell professional level
[UNKNOWN]: Like, Russell reveals he's a millionaire.
[UNKNOWN]: That's an important thing for people to know.
[UNKNOWN]: They cared.
[UNKNOWN]: This was, as you know, Phil, because you're old enough.
[UNKNOWN]: This is during the housing crisis.
[UNKNOWN]: The whole economic downturn.
[UNKNOWN]: Because I know you get referenced more in Nicaragua specifically.
[UNKNOWN]: But this is the main had to be of people's minds.
[UNKNOWN]: Because it was when that happened.
[UNKNOWN]: Yes.
[UNKNOWN]: It's just crammed when 2009.
[UNKNOWN]: 2009.
[UNKNOWN]: He was in line.
[UNKNOWN]: So the whole crash and everything had just happened at the end of 08, if I recall.
[UNKNOWN]: Let you know what's the bad part of it.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, yeah, and it started recovering you know, and I but have done everyone's minds.
[UNKNOWN]: You're a millionaire.
[UNKNOWN]: What do you need what do you need.
[UNKNOWN]: We need Brussels.
[UNKNOWN]: You need the money
[UNKNOWN]: Screw you, Russell, and Mick, you're a doctor.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, like I have medical bills.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, screw you too, Mick.
[UNKNOWN]: You're going to be able to pay a lot.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, it's so interesting to me though, because like you said, where do we see why the people want to vote for Natalie?
[UNKNOWN]: And Eric gives a good example.
[UNKNOWN]: And I understand what you're saying about like Natalie becoming more friendly with these people.
[UNKNOWN]: But I do think that like you hear so many professionals throughout some of people saying like you got to play the game.
[UNKNOWN]: You got to be strategic.
[UNKNOWN]: You got to do this.
[UNKNOWN]: You got to do that.
[UNKNOWN]: And those are the same people who don't want to hear it from Russell.
[UNKNOWN]: And like when we have this comment here from Ryan Chan, Kelly apparently Russell made fun of her.
[UNKNOWN]: She was getting put at out.
[UNKNOWN]: She was crying a ton of her ponderosa.
[UNKNOWN]: But yeah, they were also being ridiculous to Russell at that moment because they still thought they had it in the bag.
[UNKNOWN]: They were rubbing in the blue like all of their faces like glue really thought that they still had it and so like they don't like Russell, but they didn't like that they got got like to me a lot of glue with sore losers and like I feel like this is the one time a jury got it wrong and I know that if you don't like somebody you're not going to give them a million dollars and like you said he's already a million air which you know maybe they knew maybe they didn't but I feel like
[UNKNOWN]: Russell thought he had it in the bag at final tribal and didn't realize how the jury was perceiving him, which is his big fatal flaw.
[UNKNOWN]: So he can't win an immunity challenge.
[UNKNOWN]: Russell doesn't understand how people perceive him.
[UNKNOWN]: But I do feel like this is the one jury where I'm like, you can follow the story throughout the season and hear the things they're saying and then see how they throw that all out when it comes time to vote.
[UNKNOWN]: because they really were just like mad.
[UNKNOWN]: Like if I went out and said, I don't care if you're the meanest person in the world if you play the best strategic game I'm voting for you to win.
[UNKNOWN]: And then you're super mean to me, but you outfox me and I don't vote for you, I'm a liar.
[UNKNOWN]: Like I'm a sore loser, because I said I was gonna do it.
[UNKNOWN]: And I did.
[UNKNOWN]: I think Russell just missed red who he should take to the end.
[UNKNOWN]: He thought Nile was just a dumb blonde.
[UNKNOWN]: So he said about them all beginning.
[UNKNOWN]: And he ends up cutting the other, and I'm saying this, that's how him saying dumb blonde not me.
[UNKNOWN]: I don't think they're dumb blondes.
[UNKNOWN]: they all that he's like all these dumb bonds or dumb women and like he loses him in backtrack seasons, which is just ironic.
[UNKNOWN]: But yes, so he brings Naly the end.
[UNKNOWN]: He really should have brought Shambo to the end.
[UNKNOWN]: Shambo was not going to win.
[UNKNOWN]: Laura, you said Laura was salty, but Laura was not just at odds with Russell, he was also a Shambo.
[UNKNOWN]: So the fact that Naly like you see her be
[UNKNOWN]: part of Natalie's social name, Natalie was friendly with people.
[UNKNOWN]: Like, at worst, people were neutral, Natalie.
[UNKNOWN]: Nobody was like, I've lived in hate, Natalie, and I can't believe she's with Russell.
[UNKNOWN]: Nobody ever says anything like that, because they don't think that, because there's so much focus on Russell and the chaos he's causing.
[UNKNOWN]: Natalie's just nice.
[UNKNOWN]: When you're around Natalie, you don't feel like this tension.
[UNKNOWN]: And I imagine that with Russell's behind the scenes in confessionals talking trash about people,
[UNKNOWN]: That's not just something.
[UNKNOWN]: Russell's not, he's not an actor.
[UNKNOWN]: He's not just saying that professional.
[UNKNOWN]: Even he's not saying to their face, they're feeling what Russell thinks about them.
[UNKNOWN]: Because we have seen time time again.
[UNKNOWN]: ball-up seasons, Russell, last side of the show, off-strowing, so I have a Russell is Russell.
[UNKNOWN]: He acts the same way for better or worse, and he's not just saying things to confessional.
[UNKNOWN]: It's how he's treating people.
[UNKNOWN]: He treats people like their dumb and people can sense that.
[UNKNOWN]: And so this is the season where he gets away with it the most, but next season, when he's like, tells a group of his face, like, group of your dumb, you think your God's gift or whatever.
[UNKNOWN]: And it's like, finally, Russell's saying out loud, the thing that he says and confessional at the time.
[UNKNOWN]: that people always sense that they're thinking of.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, so it's like that's why me like the narrative is pushing a thing.
[UNKNOWN]: They know where's this going.
[UNKNOWN]: It's also, I think, 49, to go back to Rizgad Svanna.
[UNKNOWN]: I think that they didn't, maybe they did their best of propping up the opponents to those two, but it really made us feel like Rizgad Svanna ran circles around everybody.
[UNKNOWN]: I think partially for 50, despite the fact that Savannah doesn't really make it far in 50, but also that you could just have been how that season went.
[UNKNOWN]: I feel like that season was told more fairly than Samo, or there was definitely a clear narrative told being told.
[UNKNOWN]: But anyways, I think you're harder on Natalie, but I also get, like I don't, I'm not a Syrian being like Natalie's a top 21 or I don't think that.
[UNKNOWN]: If I do think Natalie is knocked on,
[UNKNOWN]: for a lot of things where it's like, yeah, she had Russell and she let Russell stay in the game.
[UNKNOWN]: She didn't try to blindside him, you know?
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, go to him.
[UNKNOWN]: She's gonna be like, I don't like Russell.
[UNKNOWN]: I don't get him out.
[UNKNOWN]: That would have tanked her game how she done that.
[UNKNOWN]: Russell was crucial to her game.
[UNKNOWN]: And and it's I think you bring up a great point of like she doesn't she knows that she can beat Russell like she feels like she can at least because Russell is mean to people and she's able to put up with Russell, but if Russell sits at the end with Shambal and make he wins if he's a. Yeah, he's a.
[UNKNOWN]: He's a. Yeah, if he.
[UNKNOWN]: He.
[UNKNOWN]: He's a deal with making Jason he wins like he beats Jason and every time I watch that final six vote, I'm like this moron.
[UNKNOWN]: Why are you getting rid of Shambal like.
[UNKNOWN]: She's a zero vote finalist.
[UNKNOWN]: Make is a zero vote finalist.
[UNKNOWN]: Russell might actually win nine nothing.
[UNKNOWN]: Seriously, I don't know about nine nothing, but Russell, he probably pulls an alley get seven to zero.
[UNKNOWN]: I don't know, because I don't know Natalie votes for it like does she respect Russell?
[UNKNOWN]: You know what I mean?
[UNKNOWN]: I mean, Mike probably doesn't make probably.
[UNKNOWN]: I don't know, because the show had been told differently had Russell, I mean, maybe it would have been told differently at Russell one, maybe in the exact same, you know, honestly, where do you think Natalie falls to the winner and their rankings?
[UNKNOWN]: I would say like 45, that was very close.
[UNKNOWN]: Jennifer asked his 45, we talked about previously so now he's 44.
[UNKNOWN]: Oh, okay.
[UNKNOWN]: There you go.
[UNKNOWN]: He's right below Bob right above Jenna Bob's 43 and that's the only that's fair.
[UNKNOWN]: Like bottom 10 there's there's like five or six winners that I feel like need to be in the bottom 10 and then the rest of the bottom 10 comes down a preference, but like Natalie Bob underwood.
[UNKNOWN]: Those bottom 10 winters.
[UNKNOWN]: I have a number 50, we talked about him, but 49, for 46, we haven't even talked about yet.
[UNKNOWN]: Yes, under what is bottom 5, just because you got, I'm, because you got voted off.
[UNKNOWN]: I will tell everybody now, Hydec is not number 50 on our list.
[UNKNOWN]: Where do you think Simone falls as a season?
[UNKNOWN]: 30?
[UNKNOWN]: Oh, wow, you're lower than I thought you were going to go.
[UNKNOWN]: Well, let me double check, though.
[UNKNOWN]: I thought I had, oh no, you, fill you are one off.
[UNKNOWN]: Maybe you did watch the video and it's in your brain.
[UNKNOWN]: I really did.
[UNKNOWN]: 31.
[UNKNOWN]: 31 is where it gets ranked.
[UNKNOWN]: Last year is 29.
[UNKNOWN]: It's about where it seems to be.
[UNKNOWN]: I will argue like Vanuatu.
[UNKNOWN]: I think Simone's underrated as a season.
[UNKNOWN]: I think it tells a very clear narrative.
[UNKNOWN]: That's easy to follow and fun to follow.
[UNKNOWN]: And I think that's super important.
[UNKNOWN]: I personally think it's a top.
[UNKNOWN]: Honestly, top five, top 10 seasons for me, Somela, for sure.
[UNKNOWN]: It's the narrative, it's so easy to fall.
[UNKNOWN]: The collapse of glue, I love the pre-merge.
[UNKNOWN]: I really like Russell Swan.
[UNKNOWN]: I think he's under, I don't think he's a great player, but I really like him as a character this season.
[UNKNOWN]: Russell Swan is amazing.
[UNKNOWN]: He's amazing.
[UNKNOWN]: Clearly, the glue of glue, and he had he stayed.
[UNKNOWN]: I don't know if they collapse postmarked, but because he's gone, they collapse.
[UNKNOWN]: Uh, I think Natalie's win a while at the show is an interesting telling it.
[UNKNOWN]: I think it's like, this is what survivors about.
[UNKNOWN]: Get to the end and have people vote for you.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, or the flash of Russell means nothing because idols and advantages don't vote for winners.
[UNKNOWN]: Friends do.
[UNKNOWN]: Natalie has friends, Russell doesn't.
[UNKNOWN]: So I, I think, although you watch, if this was your first season, it like this feels like a season that's going to ruin you because there's not a lot of seasons that are play out like this one.
[UNKNOWN]: like you're looking for this high again and it's just not going to hit if you like the season what's funny is 15 to 20 is the best stretch in survival history yes 19 on a on a first watch watching it live
[UNKNOWN]: We had never seen anything like this.
[UNKNOWN]: It was what is Russell going to do again next week.
[UNKNOWN]: But on rewatches, it doesn't hit for me anymore.
[UNKNOWN]: It's almost like, it's like Star Wars at this point.
[UNKNOWN]: And sorry for the Star Wars fans.
[UNKNOWN]: But it's like, that's really cool for 1977.
[UNKNOWN]: But now we've seen like better versions of Star Wars.
[UNKNOWN]: You know, like we've seen more exciting technologies, you've seen these different things.
[UNKNOWN]: And that's kind of what I feel like with Samoa.
[UNKNOWN]: It's amazing for when it came out.
[UNKNOWN]: And watching that live was absolutely incredible.
[UNKNOWN]: But we've seen crazier stuff with idols.
[UNKNOWN]: We see it in the next season when poverty plays too.
[UNKNOWN]: At the tribal, like we've now seen this version.
[UNKNOWN]: And yes, this started it.
[UNKNOWN]: But the characters are so pushed to the background to force Russell down our throat.
[UNKNOWN]: I am huge on a good balance cast and some other drops for me.
[UNKNOWN]: But I do understand when people rank it in their top 10, I don't argue it at all, because I totally understand it.
[UNKNOWN]: First watch this was insane.
[UNKNOWN]: It's a clear narrative, which we don't get very often where it's like a clear narrative from start to finish.
[UNKNOWN]: Here's the story.
[UNKNOWN]: It's not like a lot of the new era season, just for a recent example.
[UNKNOWN]: Where it feels like the story's kind of segmented, like here's this part of the story.
[UNKNOWN]: Aubrey versus Genity, for example, is not a season long story.
[UNKNOWN]: It's a part of a story.
[UNKNOWN]: Um, but I feel like the Russell versus the world is a clear narrative of the entire season and it whole and he's there the whole season.
[UNKNOWN]: So it makes it the entire season story and I think it makes for and it makes for an interesting narrative the whole way through.
[UNKNOWN]: And that was why it's so high for me seeing what's in the world the part by the way because of my call away like clear narrative.
[UNKNOWN]: You know, there's a turn the mass a turn at the auction.
[UNKNOWN]: I know we're talking about later, but it's just the clear narrative to me hit harder when it comes to ranking seasons.
[UNKNOWN]: Not right.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: That's why I've been a lot to fill.
[UNKNOWN]: You mentioned Star Wars on a briefly say that's hopefully this is well This is a prediction.
[UNKNOWN]: I'm sure other people predicted this but I don't follow Star Wars content I do enjoy the movies next year is the 50th anniversary and they Strong rumors that they've rescheduled the original film not the George Lucas special effects added one the original film in 4k
[UNKNOWN]: And I'm betting they do a re-release of it in theaters in May of 2077 or 50th anniversary.
[UNKNOWN]: It's going to be a big hit if they do it.
[UNKNOWN]: The original cut.
[UNKNOWN]: I'm even bought.
[UNKNOWN]: I own the Blu-ray set that George Lucas put out for us all to Disney.
[UNKNOWN]: But if they put out the original 4K of that movie, oh, I'm getting it.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, the thing is, I've watched that since Vietnam.
[UNKNOWN]: I'm a big proponent of once you make art, like, especially with like movies and stuff, it's like you've put that out there.
[UNKNOWN]: Don't be changing what it was in 1977 to what it is now.
[UNKNOWN]: And like Disney has a big issue with that.
[UNKNOWN]: And Star Wars really kind of started that whole trend and I hate that.
[UNKNOWN]: The whole like who shot first thing?
[UNKNOWN]: No, like you made the movie.
[UNKNOWN]: Like the movie's done.
[UNKNOWN]: Don't be going back and changing things.
[UNKNOWN]: That's BS to me.
[UNKNOWN]: I'm okay with if they if they change it, but they were both versions available.
[UNKNOWN]: Like, yeah, there's my preferred version, but the original one doesn't even push.
[UNKNOWN]: You can't watch this stuff anymore.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, no, that's not them.
[UNKNOWN]: That's George Lucas made that, because I feel like Disney likes money and they don't have an emotional attachment.
[UNKNOWN]: You know, I mean, they just want the money.
[UNKNOWN]: So I'm surprised taking this long for them to get the, I don't know if it was in the contractor why, but anyways, it's not to get too far off track here.
[UNKNOWN]: I'm just predicting May 27th, I always see the 4K original Star Wars shown in theaters.
[UNKNOWN]: They got, I don't know, put it on streaming in desk or whatever, but there's too much money to be left on table to not put it in the theater.
[UNKNOWN]: I feel like,
[UNKNOWN]: So real real quick then best move.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, now that we get back on.
[UNKNOWN]: Oh, yeah, dude.
[UNKNOWN]: Best move works move.
[UNKNOWN]: Best move for Natalie is definitely the Eric going side.
[UNKNOWN]: Yes, it has to be there.
[UNKNOWN]: I mean, you could argue the move of of just of basically as you said, grabbing on the Russell's co-tales letting him be the bowl and her making friends as the bowls running through the China shop.
[UNKNOWN]: But I think as an individual move, definitely, Eric's vote off.
[UNKNOWN]: We're smooth for Natalie.
[UNKNOWN]: She's not active enough to have a bad move.
[UNKNOWN]: That's the problem.
[UNKNOWN]: Like, she almost goes home at final 10.
[UNKNOWN]: But she doesn't go home.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, Russell's able or convinced Fincher to flip.
[UNKNOWN]: If, like, that's all Russell.
[UNKNOWN]: Like, so you, like, putting her not doing anything to try to save herself as her worst move.
[UNKNOWN]: She, yeah, because she gets 10 total votes off from a perfect game, but I think all eight of those,
[UNKNOWN]: Before final tribal votes were at that one tribal.
[UNKNOWN]: They were, I was five and then three of things.
[UNKNOWN]: I'm gonna reveal it, but she wasn't going.
[UNKNOWN]: Like she got evoats, but she wasn't going.
[UNKNOWN]: It did not feel like she was going.
[UNKNOWN]: No.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: So it's like, she doesn't have necessarily a bad move, but it's just because she's not in control of the game.
[UNKNOWN]: She's not doing anything.
[UNKNOWN]: She doesn't make moves.
[UNKNOWN]: Her moves are just as Russell's doing complete crazy game play nonsense, she's just behind behind him, make it friends of people.
[UNKNOWN]: She's just make it friends people.
[UNKNOWN]: She's waiting for us, and like, I just think about like the boat where he's like, even whoever, like, that's what it's like.
[UNKNOWN]: Hi, guys, I'm here road forest just appears in all the massive historical events.
[UNKNOWN]: He's just there.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, she's just there.
[UNKNOWN]: She's, yeah, like, as Russell's doing all these things and I was just there making friends in the background.
[UNKNOWN]: So yeah, yeah, I don't can't think of a definitive worst move at all.
[UNKNOWN]: I mean, her worst move is just like not being that interesting because that doesn't have a bad final tribal either.
[UNKNOWN]: Like it's not like, it's only she was final tribal and bombs and they still give it to her.
[UNKNOWN]: Like the bone.
[UNKNOWN]: No, she has a decent final tribal.
[UNKNOWN]: It helps that Russell thought he was going to win.
[UNKNOWN]: He's like, girl, I'll put you on the jury before final tribal.
[UNKNOWN]: What do you talk about Russell?
[UNKNOWN]: What are you talking about?
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, Russell got a little too drunk before that.
[UNKNOWN]: Right.
[UNKNOWN]: He was definitely consuming something.
[UNKNOWN]: And yeah, let's say he had a motive.
[UNKNOWN]: A, not a character for Russell as we know.
[UNKNOWN]: So yeah, let's move on to, let's still talk about Russell.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, I know, right.
[UNKNOWN]: Let's move on to Sandra at 2.0.
[UNKNOWN]: Wes, where do you stand on Sandra 2.0?
[UNKNOWN]: I let you go first this.
[UNKNOWN]: I feel like I've been jumping in first on all these.
[UNKNOWN]: That's okay.
[UNKNOWN]: Sandra 1.0, I think, as a game is more oppressive, but again, I think it's because the narrative that they showed us was more Sandra folks the first time around.
[UNKNOWN]: Second time around, I was pretty interested in her story until the post-morty game, like pre-murge they were not interested in Sandra.
[UNKNOWN]: They had no interest in showing Sandra.
[UNKNOWN]: I think the only thing I really remember of pre-murge Sandra, besides her, this time I'm
[UNKNOWN]: trips on the sand with court me like that's all the pre-merged stuff I remember of Sandra and of course Rob sitting there and egging coach on the climb in the tree.
[UNKNOWN]: Oh yeah okay well I mean like I'm just trying to think of game play stuff and it's like I can't think of making gameplay pre-merged with Sandra's all post merge and she does play her hand fantastic in the post merge as as
[UNKNOWN]: We see with the entire hero driving like, well, we should listen to Sandra, um, but yeah, even pre-rejoin with like Russell and Bossa Roberts in there and Russell or Bossa, I was like, who do you want to vote off?
[UNKNOWN]: Or else is like, one of them pointing to Courtney and Sandra's are doing try his hair.
[UNKNOWN]: Bossa, I was like, is that how you play the game, Russell?
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: What was wrong with you?
[UNKNOWN]: It's just like,
[UNKNOWN]: Russell's just so arrogant.
[UNKNOWN]: He thought he will.
[UNKNOWN]: He thought he was playing with house funny.
[UNKNOWN]: He did.
[UNKNOWN]: That's what a JT had.
[UNKNOWN]: Russell thought he had that house when he too.
[UNKNOWN]: He did not.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: I think that Sandra, I love Sandra's game here.
[UNKNOWN]: I think that her hero's villain's game is a better game than her pearl island's game.
[UNKNOWN]: And here's the reading.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, here's my reason why.
[UNKNOWN]: She's willing to let the egos be egos.
[UNKNOWN]: She's just willing to do it.
[UNKNOWN]: She's coming in as one of the few winners.
[UNKNOWN]: And this is Sandra's biggest downfall.
[UNKNOWN]: Like in game changer, she gets too cocky.
[UNKNOWN]: Just play the same game and Sandra's sitting at final six again.
[UNKNOWN]: Like, there's no doubt.
[UNKNOWN]: She gets so cocky.
[UNKNOWN]: She wants to be driving everything.
[UNKNOWN]: I love her game here because early on, she knows that if she sticks her head up, she may get caught.
[UNKNOWN]: Like, she's somebody's going to do something.
[UNKNOWN]: She aligns with Rob, because she likes Rob, her and Rob are old school airplanes.
[UNKNOWN]: She gets in with who she has to get in with.
[UNKNOWN]: And as soon as that alliance starts to break down, the moment that Tyson goes home.
[UNKNOWN]: Sandra says, Oh, shit.
[UNKNOWN]: What do I do?
[UNKNOWN]: I'm going to stay somewhat loyal.
[UNKNOWN]: I'm not going to kiss ass, but I'm going to be Sandra, which is what is going to make people want to keep me around.
[UNKNOWN]: Ultimately, they keep her around over Courtney.
[UNKNOWN]: And so, and because, you know, they're a little bit more worried about Courtney, but potentially teaming up with some of these other people from China and, you know, they did, I guess James was gone, but still.
[UNKNOWN]: The whole thing is, though,
[UNKNOWN]: Sandra's willing to just be Sandra and let the people who are fighting each other fight.
[UNKNOWN]: And then she hits the merge and she says heroes, here's what's going on.
[UNKNOWN]: This is every detail you need to know and the heroes are morons and she's like, I try.
[UNKNOWN]: not my problem anymore.
[UNKNOWN]: I'm going over here and she does such a great job of just saying survivor isn't about the flashiness.
[UNKNOWN]: Like you just said when Natalie White, it's not about the flashy stuff.
[UNKNOWN]: You don't get votes from idols and all of these crazy people.
[UNKNOWN]: You get votes from people who like you at the end.
[UNKNOWN]: And people can talk about part of playing a better game.
[UNKNOWN]: They can talk about Russell playing a better game.
[UNKNOWN]: Sandra plays the best game on this season because she's the one who knows what this jury wants.
[UNKNOWN]: She's the one who knows what all of these people want and what they wanted was they wanted to feel a little bit better than you.
[UNKNOWN]: And Sandra just let everybody's ego keep on being egos and she sat back and she just let herself get there and she kept saying, yeah, I can't win.
[UNKNOWN]: I can't win.
[UNKNOWN]: And we've never seen before this season.
[UNKNOWN]: We had never seen a winner of Survivor make the merge on a returning player season.
[UNKNOWN]: Now granted, we only had all stars in the Micronesia didn't have it.
[UNKNOWN]: But then you watch this season.
[UNKNOWN]: JT makes the merge the first person out of the merge.
[UNKNOWN]: Sandra gets all the way to the end and I know Parvary gets there with her.
[UNKNOWN]: But Sandra was able to beat Parvary who was probably more revered coming into the season because of the social game that she was able to play.
[UNKNOWN]: I, you know, the only person, so I know people, a lot of people argue part of he should have won or I wish part of he had won.
[UNKNOWN]: I guess I don't, I don't know how many people think this way, but I wish Jerry had won.
[UNKNOWN]: Jerry may have to think.
[UNKNOWN]: That was the person I was like, once she went, I was like, dang, I want to Jerry to win.
[UNKNOWN]: you know like I and I had or when I watched season I was already spoiled and that was because the game changers by the way because I know I've talked with before right I watched one through 14 and then missed up through 32 and I started with 32 while I didn't go back and binge the season softer game changers like binge back through all the seasons I had missed.
[UNKNOWN]: So I watched game changers and I saw Tony was a winner, but I was like, oh, and so I remember my mind, all I saw was Tony and game changers was like, this guy won.
[UNKNOWN]: So like, I didn't even register when I watched kaygain on that, that was the winner.
[UNKNOWN]: So I'm like, like, I'm like, who's this nut job on game changers?
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: But then I watched, so I, that's where she said I was two-time winner.
[UNKNOWN]: I only knew her as a one-time winner.
[UNKNOWN]: So I just said to show him winner, and I saw her here as her villains.
[UNKNOWN]: Oh, she must win this season.
[UNKNOWN]: But even then, I was still like,
[UNKNOWN]: That's what I wanted, it was Jerry to win.
[UNKNOWN]: But Sandra, I think she totally earned the win.
[UNKNOWN]: Parvity, misread, who she should bring in file three.
[UNKNOWN]: That's really it.
[UNKNOWN]: I do want to know though, do you think, I think Jerry beats them all in file three.
[UNKNOWN]: I don't think she loses to any of them.
[UNKNOWN]: Maybe to Sandra, but I think she beats parvity, it's of course she beats Russell.
[UNKNOWN]: Who doesn't be Russell?
[UNKNOWN]: Here's the thing.
[UNKNOWN]: This Jerry didn't really care all that much about gameplay.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, that's that area gets votes from Coles.
[UNKNOWN]: He went rooper right.
[UNKNOWN]: I think the jury.
[UNKNOWN]: I don't know.
[UNKNOWN]: Sandra no matter what, but if you're saying it's poverty, Russell and Jerry.
[UNKNOWN]: I think Jerry.
[UNKNOWN]: a lot of the also part of the one Sandra you won but part of the one two winners apparently were two conservative winners then obviously well Russell's whole plan was if he got to the end with three winners he thought he would win he thought that was the only chance he had to win because they wouldn't want a two-time winner and totally misread that situation he was a winner yeah yeah so that was his strategy and everybody's like well Sandra wanted to get rid of Russell and wasn't able to do it who cares like who cares like
[UNKNOWN]: If you want to be a great survivor player, you need to be willing to not be in control at all times.
[UNKNOWN]: You need to be willing to throw out plans to people and have them shoot the plan down and say, OK, well, I'm still going to survive anyway.
[UNKNOWN]: Because there's always something both for Jerry.
[UNKNOWN]: Sorry, I'm looking at the jury.
[UNKNOWN]: Now, you're fine.
[UNKNOWN]: I'm going to be the chair of over her.
[UNKNOWN]: But with Boston Rob right Boston Rob, please one style of survival.
[UNKNOWN]: He needs to be in control at all times.
[UNKNOWN]: He can't turn that off.
[UNKNOWN]: That's why he's one one time and he's had a lot of really bad finishes.
[UNKNOWN]: Sanders okay not being in control.
[UNKNOWN]: That's why she succeeds.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: That's why she ultimately ends up winning twice and and for her to come out and win and sit next to poverty and beat poverty.
[UNKNOWN]: First of all, I know I was ragging on her a little bit for micro.
[UNKNOWN]: This is the most overrated game, maybe in the history show.
[UNKNOWN]: People talk about parvities, game, and heroes were spilling like it's the best thing of all time.
[UNKNOWN]: Nobody wants to acknowledge that without Russell, poverty goes home when Tyson goes home.
[UNKNOWN]: And if Russell doesn't pull off what he did with Tyson and then he plays the idol for parvity,
[UNKNOWN]: Russell goes home there and poverty is not far behind.
[UNKNOWN]: Like poverty was done.
[UNKNOWN]: No.
[UNKNOWN]: Part of he plays a more flashy Natalie White game then.
[UNKNOWN]: If you want to look at that way, she needed the bowl in the china shop.
[UNKNOWN]: She did.
[UNKNOWN]: She did not as passive as Natalie.
[UNKNOWN]: Well, she was more willing.
[UNKNOWN]: And then what I always love is the people who don't like to talk about.
[UNKNOWN]: Oh, well, Mike Holloway wasn't that good because he needed immunity wins at the end.
[UNKNOWN]: So did poverty.
[UNKNOWN]: Like when people started to say, hey, we wanted to vote poverty out of the game, poverty want a whole bunch of immunity.
[UNKNOWN]: She won two of the last three, uh, three of the last five overall.
[UNKNOWN]: And so like when you started to realize you wanted to vote poverty out, it was like, oh, we can't because poverty is safe, poverty has the necklace on and they start talking about voting around it six, whatever.
[UNKNOWN]: Parviting needs Russell here and people want to say oh she should have won.
[UNKNOWN]: Parviting should have been out so early and the people who hate Russell and love Parviting.
[UNKNOWN]: You can't say Parviting should have won this season and not give Russell credit as well because Russell is the reason that Tyson goes home and the reason that Parviting Russell will stay in the game.
[UNKNOWN]: I think Sandra's game?
[UNKNOWN]: Yes, she needs the net or whatever.
[UNKNOWN]: She gets the idle from Parviting at final 10.
[UNKNOWN]: All of that.
[UNKNOWN]: I'm not saying she doesn't get this stuff.
[UNKNOWN]: Jerry ultimately is the one who's safe.
[UNKNOWN]: Parkity makes that move to give the villains the the edge for the rest of the season.
[UNKNOWN]: But again, Sandra's game, she's so good socially that she can sit there and not be in control and not make these flashy moves and still beat those people.
[UNKNOWN]: I think you're kind of ragging on parvity a lot because the fan reception, I think it is really good.
[UNKNOWN]: And I think it's one of the most impressive second-place games.
[UNKNOWN]: You know, like, I'm not going to be like, oh, Jonathan, young at 50 played a better game than parvity.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, I'm not going to be like Sophie B, a 49, you know, going through all the previous second-place players.
[UNKNOWN]: I'm like, no, parvies got to be a top five second-place game.
[UNKNOWN]: Oh, for sure.
[UNKNOWN]: Like, there's, if not the problem, but I don't think she's a top game one over Sandra though either.
[UNKNOWN]: I'm not going to argue that.
[UNKNOWN]: Um, I think her against Russell and Danielle, which I think is what she was planning on doing with, she wins, right, like that plan fell through because of Russell being an insane person.
[UNKNOWN]: But her against Danielle and Russell, she wins and that was her plan, I think, I'll just fell apart because this is not the black widow brigade.
[UNKNOWN]: This is Russell Hans and he does what he wants to do.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, convincing Jerry to vote out Danielle Russell and Jerry that was just like psycho stuff.
[UNKNOWN]: Um, absolutely crazy.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: He started to get hope that rubric and Colby are actually going to figure it out.
[UNKNOWN]: But yeah, it is a lot of the fan reception because again, like I went through this all with Australian survivor where I would talk about how I didn't think
[UNKNOWN]: it's not misogyny.
[UNKNOWN]: It's literally just I don't think that this game is that impressive.
[UNKNOWN]: And so when you start getting that, I have to go back.
[UNKNOWN]: I feel like I'm always fighting against poverty stands every time I talk about poverty.
[UNKNOWN]: But I think that poverty's game here is really good.
[UNKNOWN]: Like I agree with you, top five second place game for sure.
[UNKNOWN]: But when people walk around saying it's the best game of all time, your psychos.
[UNKNOWN]: That's not true.
[UNKNOWN]: That's not real.
[UNKNOWN]: No, the best game of all time has to be JT.
[UNKNOWN]: Probably.
[UNKNOWN]: I mean, statistically, best game.
[UNKNOWN]: I don't know, when there's a war tone,
[UNKNOWN]: What you always get to, here is, and I wonder what you think about this, you always get
[UNKNOWN]: the people who say, well, now everybody says if they would have seen the season, they would have voted for poverty to win over saying, nah, that's a matter.
[UNKNOWN]: Exactly, thank you.
[UNKNOWN]: I don't buy that.
[UNKNOWN]: I fish back set it and I always give him the quote of, put what post game press doesn't matter.
[UNKNOWN]: It's like, what people say after, like, that doesn't matter.
[UNKNOWN]: That's not canon.
[UNKNOWN]: Like, people say afterwards is not count.
[UNKNOWN]: I will give more credit to,
[UNKNOWN]: when you watch the Ponderosa videos or like people's final words, uncut, like the extent of like what they say there, I'll take that.
[UNKNOWN]: It's not made, maybe it's not canon, but I'll take that with realness.
[UNKNOWN]: Like that's really people thought before they knew how the show was going to portray everybody and convey the story.
[UNKNOWN]: That stuff to me matters what people say in X interviews to me is almost like let's hear something interesting.
[UNKNOWN]: I don't care about X interviews.
[UNKNOWN]: I mean, it's probably something I don't already know, or be salty.
[UNKNOWN]: That's just me enjoying people being salty.
[UNKNOWN]: Like, Osie was salty about riso after 50, for example.
[UNKNOWN]: But otherwise, I don't, I don't care what you think should have, like, what I saw and what you're telling me, like, if it doesn't line up, okay.
[UNKNOWN]: Well, I'm gonna believe the show over you because I think you've had time to think about things and what you're telling is the truth or your perspective, you know?
[UNKNOWN]: The show, while as it's own story to tell,
[UNKNOWN]: It's going to give me more perspectives than gestures.
[UNKNOWN]: Though I will say there is sometimes people say stuff that actually reviews you're like, oh, is that the truth?
[UNKNOWN]: Like, I remember Jen on 50 was like, actually, Christian dropped so reasonate first not mine.
[UNKNOWN]: I'm like, that's new.
[UNKNOWN]: That's interesting.
[UNKNOWN]: That doesn't sound and like she's very adamant about it.
[UNKNOWN]: I'm like, I think her anybody say it wasn't true, you know?
[UNKNOWN]: So anyways, X interviews to me are just like,
[UNKNOWN]: like I don't like I would have voted for acts.
[UNKNOWN]: Okay.
[UNKNOWN]: Well, you didn't.
[UNKNOWN]: So well, I don't think if you're out there on the island, the whole the whole point is to convince the people you're on the island with the vote for you, not vote for an edited version of you.
[UNKNOWN]: Like if I'm around you 24, seven and I don't like you, that doesn't mean that I can then I watch an hour of you every week and I'm like, oh shit, Wes was great.
[UNKNOWN]: Like I
[UNKNOWN]: But if I'm around you 24, seven, I don't like you.
[UNKNOWN]: I don't like you.
[UNKNOWN]: Like that, that's just how it is.
[UNKNOWN]: That's why Russell does it when survivor in.
[UNKNOWN]: And I think like for Sandra to sit next to poverty and Russell.
[UNKNOWN]: And I know Russell, he's going in there just getting smoked.
[UNKNOWN]: But the sit next to poverty and Russell and win it as a former winner.
[UNKNOWN]: And like get to crown herself.
[UNKNOWN]: I mean,
[UNKNOWN]: it's pretty incredible and and you know the person who said earlier with like what about with playing with friends and all that it's like poverty has Amanda on the jury and Amanda votes for Sandra.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, I think poverty in Amanda had falling out in between Micronesian, here's first villains because on that season, they were not in sync at all.
[UNKNOWN]: But I know it's always, it's always added.
[UNKNOWN]: But they couldn't even if they wanted to make these two click, they were ever on the same page.
[UNKNOWN]: Whereas,
[UNKNOWN]: So we clearly, even though so you went out earlier, so we didn't seem like she was at odds with people, whereas Amanda and Parvody clearly, something had happened, they were at odds.
[UNKNOWN]: Where do you think Sandra Falls, here's where she's the villain, Sandra, on the rankings out of 50?
[UNKNOWN]: Based on your big reaction to me thinking, this is a better game, I'm gonna say like 26.
[UNKNOWN]: Well, remember, these rankings are not minds of the fans.
[UNKNOWN]: I know.
[UNKNOWN]: Her burning muscles happen, like her post-emerged stuff is all interesting, but on Pearl Islands, she's interesting from the episode and any time they show her, like every time they show Sandra, I'm interested in Sandra Pearl Islands, and they just don't do it enough on Heroes films.
[UNKNOWN]: And of course the season, where do you think it's ranked?
[UNKNOWN]: One.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, no one.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: They put the season on Netflix for a reason when they introduced survive on Netflix along with, I think, gosh, what season they put it with, was Micronesia?
[UNKNOWN]: I don't know what other season they put it with.
[UNKNOWN]: After you've already been writing, and it's standard definition season, I won't say it was Micronesia, but it could be wrong.
[UNKNOWN]: Might be China, where do you rank it?
[UNKNOWN]: Oh, here's the villains the number one and I think the reason that they won't unless you mean her win her win I would probably yeah, I mean, I'm talking about the I'm talking about the season.
[UNKNOWN]: I know you're you're the season It's definitely number one I think the reason they won't do a hero's versus villains too is because they know that it will be compared to the first one and they cannot live up to the first one Yeah
[UNKNOWN]: I think that's why they'll do a brain versus bronze versus beauty.
[UNKNOWN]: They'll do two of those.
[UNKNOWN]: They'll do two blood versus waters.
[UNKNOWN]: I think they did two fans versus favorites.
[UNKNOWN]: I think they're willing to do a third one.
[UNKNOWN]: I think all three of those could have a third one.
[UNKNOWN]: I think it should be fine.
[UNKNOWN]: But I think the show knows they can't do a second here as well.
[UNKNOWN]: Number one, they don't cast villains.
[UNKNOWN]: Not on purpose, it seems like.
[UNKNOWN]: but they just they just know it will never live up to the first one.
[UNKNOWN]: The first one is just to work that it would.
[UNKNOWN]: And the first one, and the season is so many layers to the onion fell, where it's like, man, there are storylines in the season that are paying off previous seasons, which you don't always get with these returny seasons.
[UNKNOWN]: Like a little bit of like, oh, I get why we're here because of a past season in other seasons, but this season feels like a lot of payoff.
[UNKNOWN]: to other seasons and the storylines.
[UNKNOWN]: It's like, oh my gosh, like every time I watch it, there's like a new layer to un, and it's like, I wish this season I had long graph episodes.
[UNKNOWN]: The first, they were premiering two hours was so nice.
[UNKNOWN]: I almost wish.
[UNKNOWN]: like the merge have been two hours, you know what's there just been more content in other episodes as well.
[UNKNOWN]: And I can't find the secret scene for the season ever.
[UNKNOWN]: They're not on the DVD.
[UNKNOWN]: I don't know why.
[UNKNOWN]: This season's like the only one about secret scenes on it.
[UNKNOWN]: You don't get it.
[UNKNOWN]: That's weird.
[UNKNOWN]: I'm baffled, right.
[UNKNOWN]: And people are referencing a secret scene.
[UNKNOWN]: I'm like, where did you see this?
[UNKNOWN]: And they're like, I don't remember.
[UNKNOWN]: I'm like, I would love to see that.
[UNKNOWN]: Where are they at?
[UNKNOWN]: Paramet Plus, where are they at?
[UNKNOWN]: That's why I'm
[UNKNOWN]: I mean, yeah, heroes villains I have ring two, only behind China, just because I love China, but yeah, never going to be a better cast in reality TV history that the heroes were still in his cast.
[UNKNOWN]: It's the best, like you said, the payoffs are crazy.
[UNKNOWN]: And the fact that Sandra says, I'm a vote you out again, and your stupid ass is still going to vote for me to win.
[UNKNOWN]: Oh, she didn't call Rupert stupid, but she definitely was applying that.
[UNKNOWN]: Whatever she said, and then Rupert turns around and votes for her to win.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: I mean, it's just, it's incredible.
[UNKNOWN]: Yes, there's a, there's a great balance.
[UNKNOWN]: I think it's fun that the villains in one, like, it's sure it would have been cool for Heroin 1.
[UNKNOWN]: But I think it actually makes a season more iconic because of villain 1.
[UNKNOWN]: Whereas Dave vs. Glythe, I think it's only narratively satisfying for David Wynn, this season, it works either way.
[UNKNOWN]: But I think it's more fun that a villain 1, you know?
[UNKNOWN]: And the fact that this season saw so many heroes saying, going villain and villains going heroes, and then some people just didn't, Sandra did not change.
[UNKNOWN]: Sandra was exactly the same.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, some people wanted to be heroes that were villains, some people wanted villains that were heroes not this season.
[UNKNOWN]: Sandra, um, season 28 and 37 were on Netflix, someone says, that was that was later.
[UNKNOWN]: So like the first time they put scenes on Netflix, it was 28 and I always 28, it was Kageon and here as villains was the first time then.
[UNKNOWN]: And then they did, um, diverse glide than Micronesia.
[UNKNOWN]: And I don't know if they did a third round on Netflix, but yeah, I remember this season got a lot of
[UNKNOWN]: co-wrong was, so maybe the third round was co-wrong in another season.
[UNKNOWN]: Pearl Islands I bet was probably with co-wrong if I'd remember, right?
[UNKNOWN]: So anyways, yeah, Sanchez went, I think she had a good foul tribal, but it was a lot of, well, you dummies, I told you Russell was Russell, and you didn't listen, they're like, dang, Sandra, you're right.
[UNKNOWN]: I'm gonna vote for you to win.
[UNKNOWN]: Like that's really how it went.
[UNKNOWN]: Like, if only we had listened to Sandra, we didn't, so now we're gonna vote for to win.
[UNKNOWN]: That's social game.
[UNKNOWN]: People like being around Sanchez and Docaner.
[UNKNOWN]: And people were more willing to say, you know what, Sandra, you got the better of me and you are right than they were for poverty or also that's it.
[UNKNOWN]: That's it.
[UNKNOWN]: That's Harold has no new B.C.
[UNKNOWN]: in past 37, but good as 37 agreed, but 46 is the closest.
[UNKNOWN]: 46 and 47 I think are great.
[UNKNOWN]: I love people like 47 as well.
[UNKNOWN]: I personally think 46.
[UNKNOWN]: Is has is better than it has any right to be it's all because of the glass.
[UNKNOWN]: It's all I haven't rewatch that one since it aired and I'm curious how I'll feel like when we get there in our watch.
[UNKNOWN]: We just watch it fill it holds up sorry.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, it holds up it holds up it's a little it's a little better once you know that but you know for a fact on who's going episode four.
[UNKNOWN]: because that's what he was doing mad, those first for us is like man, like Brandon goes and Bonnie's still here, you know, that's a three, but no twice.
[UNKNOWN]: Knowing that he was a four and then in the back of my mind, knowing that Jeff gets mad at all the fans for not liking Bonnie, but then won't bring Bonnie back to 50, you know, whatever.
[UNKNOWN]: All right, yes.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, I'm the problem.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, that's right.
[UNKNOWN]: Anyways, but let's Bonnie's gone.
[UNKNOWN]: I mean, the season's fantastic.
[UNKNOWN]: It's it's funny.
[UNKNOWN]: The Jolensk episode whole premier's funny.
[UNKNOWN]: So it really it's such an absolute two that drags a lot and it's a three.
[UNKNOWN]: I don't really like the Jess food is brutal.
[UNKNOWN]: The Jess food and the watching Bonnie twice is bad.
[UNKNOWN]: And for some reason, they made episode two, two hours.
[UNKNOWN]: I don't know why, but they did.
[UNKNOWN]: That would make it safer.
[UNKNOWN]: Um, so two, absolutely.
[UNKNOWN]: But, anyways, so now yours, there's no, there's can't see a returny season topping this, especially the rate we're going every season just competing for second, second best returny season.
[UNKNOWN]: Here's villains can't be topped.
[UNKNOWN]: Even if they did second one, it just won't happen.
[UNKNOWN]: I mean, if you think about all of the returning player seasons, all stars, like I'm talking full, all stars, here's versus villains, game changers 40 and 50, yeah, none of them were even close to this season.
[UNKNOWN]: Like they're not even remotely close.
[UNKNOWN]: Full returning season.
[UNKNOWN]: I think move.
[UNKNOWN]: I think if I told you my rank is real fight.
[UNKNOWN]: I think Cambodia the closest.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, Cambodia, Cambodia, Cambodia, Cambodia, full returning season, not half full.
[UNKNOWN]: Cambodia is the closest gets number five in the rankings.
[UNKNOWN]: Interesting.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, I don't I like Cambodia.
[UNKNOWN]: I don't put it quite that high.
[UNKNOWN]: And I think the gap between heroes versus villains in Cambodia is massive.
[UNKNOWN]: winners at Wars ranked seven.
[UNKNOWN]: That's your fast being crazy.
[UNKNOWN]: But then I actually agree.
[UNKNOWN]: I think winners at Wars are a top 15 for me.
[UNKNOWN]: I don't know if stop to have a top 15.
[UNKNOWN]: But then after that, it takes a bit to get to another full returny season.
[UNKNOWN]: 50 falls currently at 19.
[UNKNOWN]: We'll see how for instance he buys.
[UNKNOWN]: That's a good way of like five five seasons for sure.
[UNKNOWN]: Uh, it usually takes, it usually takes the fans, I think, one year.
[UNKNOWN]: So, right after Kyle's win, um, thereafter GM GM's win, I think they're ranked way higher.
[UNKNOWN]: And then the next year, they fell into a more appropriate spot.
[UNKNOWN]: Another Kyle's win was bad, just like, the reasons he buys there for Aubrey and 50 right now.
[UNKNOWN]: Given another year, I think they'll be ranked more fairly, but yeah, that's just the way it is.
[UNKNOWN]: affair whether it's better good because Aubrey I think's got knocked more than she deserves and 50 it Propped up maybe a little bit more in deserves.
[UNKNOWN]: I don't know.
[UNKNOWN]: We'll see you noticing that in our winter rankings too Aubrey's a lot lower than I think she's ultimately gonna be when we look back on this.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, give us some time.
[UNKNOWN]: Let people cool off.
[UNKNOWN]: I remember I literally people commenting saying I need time to cool off before I fell out this form because I'm just like so He did one way or the other about 50 and it's like that fair.
[UNKNOWN]: You know, don't do it if you need to cool off cool off.
[UNKNOWN]: So Sandra though, I think she has a good win, but really it does come down to you.
[UNKNOWN]: The show is an interesting her telling her story.
[UNKNOWN]: And then when it is like halfway through the season, and she's the same person.
[UNKNOWN]: She's the exact same person for Ireland.
[UNKNOWN]: You said she changed in game changers because you're right.
[UNKNOWN]: She's higher for own supply.
[UNKNOWN]: She's that point.
[UNKNOWN]: She's playing a past money, not this season.
[UNKNOWN]: What people look at past money, they play more entertaining, but it's not better.
[UNKNOWN]: It's never a better game, it's just a more entertaining game.
[UNKNOWN]: So, boss-der-avent winners of the war, playing a past money, not playing a better game, just like being a character of himself, basically.
[UNKNOWN]: Sanjors become a character of herself on game changers, all winners of the war, though she's still herself, but definitely like, amped up on blood versus water, strengths, fiber, it's the exact same Sanjors you saw on game changers, and winners of the war.
[UNKNOWN]: So Sanjors this season is surprisingly,
[UNKNOWN]: Exactly.
[UNKNOWN]: It was Perlans.
[UNKNOWN]: Almost like Perlans never happened.
[UNKNOWN]: Like that's not the act.
[UNKNOWN]: It's almost like that season.
[UNKNOWN]: Nobody remembers it.
[UNKNOWN]: Nobody remembers she wasn't after touch.
[UNKNOWN]: She's not even in the top center.
[UNKNOWN]: We talk about that on the DVD box.
[UNKNOWN]: She's not even in the top center.
[UNKNOWN]: She's an afterthought.
[UNKNOWN]: But it's important to remember that when 20 aired, there was nine easy way to go back and watch all these seasons.
[UNKNOWN]: Here Pearl Owens was one of the season they put on DVD, but I remember people did not buy the DVDs because they're like, I already know who won, why would I watch the show again?
[UNKNOWN]: Why would I buy the DVD again?
[UNKNOWN]: That was not a thing in 2009, 2010, to rewatch Survivor, just wasn't a thing.
[UNKNOWN]: Like, rock the park I started with here's verse villains, but there wasn't a thing to podcast about the show, you know, like this was all new.
[UNKNOWN]: Like the only thing you have is like the Dalton Ross article,
[UNKNOWN]: after the episode ended.
[UNKNOWN]: That's it.
[UNKNOWN]: There was no like content media to consume about the show.
[UNKNOWN]: There's no CBS next morning interviews anymore.
[UNKNOWN]: We talked about those dropped after Fiji.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, I mean it just wasn't different times, different times.
[UNKNOWN]: So Sandra was basically forgotten.
[UNKNOWN]: And that's the last thing I'll say is like when Sandra's name popped up on that cast or
[UNKNOWN]: Really?
[UNKNOWN]: Sandra?
[UNKNOWN]: Nobody was expecting Sandra to be positive.
[UNKNOWN]: This season did not treat winners, like they put what two winners let each see on each tribe, but it wasn't, it wasn't really thought about like that.
[UNKNOWN]: Now, like all stars was unfair with the way they split the story line of the season.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, this season it was fair, but like nobody really thought about it.
[UNKNOWN]: I know Tom and JT were like, we're winners, we should work together, but like,
[UNKNOWN]: I don't know if that was a major factor.
[UNKNOWN]: JT went because he was dumb.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: Tom might have gone because he was Tom, because he's a winner.
[UNKNOWN]: Tom had his back against the wall from the start because he was a winner and because he was of a different era.
[UNKNOWN]: But Tom almost survived that and if they get rid of Canada, if Canada, if they get rid of James instead of Tom, Tom ends up being in the final six of the season.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, they really did pick the broken James over Tom.
[UNKNOWN]: That just says a lot about that was the end of everything.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: Also, I got to say, I know this is not really a super elephant to can't, uh, sorry to Sandra, but Candice going full Judas on her tribe and flipping to Russell and then Russell turning around and voting her out immediately while not good for his game was very entertained to watch because she got roopered and cold, but you
[UNKNOWN]: They're like just to get out Candace like they're emotive, even just purely to get out Candace and like they have their conversation of like yeah Like I don't let's just do that.
[UNKNOWN]: This is great.
[UNKNOWN]: But there's plenty of votes.
[UNKNOWN]: Why don't we just vote for Candace?
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah
[UNKNOWN]: It's so fun to see them like finally like get survivor for one up.
[UNKNOWN]: Like Colby, I think New had a play just didn't care, but Rupert like never got it and Rupert got it for one episode and it's fun to watch.
[UNKNOWN]: So Candice going just like flipping on them.
[UNKNOWN]: But that's sort of that was her M.O.
[UNKNOWN]: She did them cookgiles like multiple times.
[UNKNOWN]: And it's like, it's not surprising.
[UNKNOWN]: Like a Sandra's like, Candice, if you, if you ruin this, I'm going to be upset with you or whatever she said, Candice, why would I ruin it?
[UNKNOWN]: That was when Sandra was trying to get them flip on the
[UNKNOWN]: Candice ruins it and I can't vote the heroes now because Candice is ruined it.
[UNKNOWN]: Candice is ruining everything But that's again for like I give can I give Sandra a little bit I give her a little bit more credit because it's like Sandra was coming up with the right ideas like how I feel about Michelle I'm wondering that war coming up with the right ideas Not her fault nobody's listening
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, yeah, Sandra had a solid plan, like I don't know how things would depend out had Sandra's plan actually worked though.
[UNKNOWN]: I don't know Sandra wins the season.
[UNKNOWN]: Because at that point, JT had gone.
[UNKNOWN]: It was a man to go to that point.
[UNKNOWN]: Thanks you.
[UNKNOWN]: was or is that the whole point.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, that can't that she was going to work with because JT was gone and then Sandra was going to defect and go with the heroes and make it five four and then Candace wouldn't do it and Amanda goes that's what happened.
[UNKNOWN]: Right, yeah, Amanda goes and it should have been, I think, I think Ross, I don't who they vote for, they voted for parvity.
[UNKNOWN]: So parvity maybe would have gone had like Candice defects.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, so Sanders like I'm not voting with the heroes because they can't get their act the other, but she do like the whole thing with Candice and Russell, like shows with the idol team Russell, like Candice, you're in my final three, you're in my fall three, a mealy.
[UNKNOWN]: gone and I love this comment from Darrell if things go Sanders way, she loses.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, but she's Sandra the whole time.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: And making those offers to the people was enough for them to say damn.
[UNKNOWN]: We really like Sandra.
[UNKNOWN]: Let's vote for her to win.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: If only we listen to Sandra, we code up one.
[UNKNOWN]: It's, that's, that's important.
[UNKNOWN]: The jury wants to vote for somebody who will represent their season that they like, that they see themselves in.
[UNKNOWN]: And they saw themselves in Sandra, they like Sandra.
[UNKNOWN]: They want her to represent season.
[UNKNOWN]: Like, these are all factors.
[UNKNOWN]: Like, when people vote for Natalie of Russell, they didn't want that jerk Russell, the representative of the season, they'd rather pick the nice girl and Natalie.
[UNKNOWN]: That's why Eric was like,
[UNKNOWN]: Why does it matter, you know, why is what Natalie did less impressive than Russell?
[UNKNOWN]: Like I like Natalie, I'd rather her represent the season.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: So, all right, Wes.
[UNKNOWN]: Well,
[UNKNOWN]: we're done, right?
[UNKNOWN]: We're good.
[UNKNOWN]: Well, if we went by survivors original schedule, this would be the end of the show.
[UNKNOWN]: Jeff thought 20 was the end.
[UNKNOWN]: He thought they would get renewed through 20, and that was it.
[UNKNOWN]: This is the conclusion to the show.
[UNKNOWN]: Based on how the show goes next, it's about right that he wasn't thinking past 20.
[UNKNOWN]: Well, next time on the podcast, next time on survivor, Jeff becomes executive producer and the show enters its dark ages.
[UNKNOWN]: it might be here.
[UNKNOWN]: Things seem to align that I don't want to make accusations of, but things seem to align.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: Jeff, you know, executive producer and the dark ages start just saying though both things happen at the same time may have been separate, but they both happen to the exact same time, though.
[UNKNOWN]: Well, we're going to be to speak of things happening at the exact same time.
[UNKNOWN]: Next Thursday, we do episode five of this season with anyone through 25.
[UNKNOWN]: But next Tuesday, we finally put out our first winner ranking.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: 50 to 41.
[UNKNOWN]: I already have a compile.
[UNKNOWN]: I just got to put together like a little PowerPoint or something.
[UNKNOWN]: So everybody can watch along with us and not just look at our faces.
[UNKNOWN]: We are ready to dissect it though and talk about it.
[UNKNOWN]: And I'm the only one who knows the list.
[UNKNOWN]: I haven't told anybody else.
[UNKNOWN]: So I'm not even telling Will and Blake.
[UNKNOWN]: I'm going to let them go in.
[UNKNOWN]: Totally blind.
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