[SPEAKER_01]: Welcome everybody and welcome to Hollywood Godfather podcast.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Hello, Pat?
[SPEAKER_02]: Hey, how are you doing, Johnny?
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm Megan.
[SPEAKER_00]: Megan.
[SPEAKER_00]: Hi, Pat.
[SPEAKER_04]: How are you doing, how are you, Johnny?
[SPEAKER_00]: How am I doing with your name, Haran?
[SPEAKER_00]: Is that?
[SPEAKER_04]: Haran.
[SPEAKER_00]: Haran, almost there, almost there.
[SPEAKER_00]: I got a, I got a, I got a, I think the power.
[SPEAKER_00]: Haran, Haran, Haran.
[SPEAKER_04]: Haran, you got it.
[SPEAKER_00]: You should tell me before we go on the air.
[SPEAKER_04]: And I might have to, yeah, I said, I should remind.
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, we have a subject that has been brought up to us in emails, and maybe do a show about it, maybe not.
[SPEAKER_00]: Pat happens to be an expert on this guy.
[SPEAKER_00]: What I know of him, we'll talk about on the air.
[SPEAKER_00]: So without further ado, Pat, why don't you introduce the topic of tonight's show?
[SPEAKER_02]: This evening, if you're so important, I may add this evening, I'm going to be talking about Richard, Richard Caclensk, who was known as the Ice Man.
[SPEAKER_02]: A self-described hitman for everyone.
[SPEAKER_02]: You listen to this guy, he killed virtually everyone.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think he was up to crucifixion of Christ.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, he was there.
[SPEAKER_02]: He was there.
[SPEAKER_00]: He had the nails.
[SPEAKER_02]: But I've been researching this guy for a long time and only because he's a hell of a curiosity.
[SPEAKER_02]: He was a New Jersey native big guy, who looked like a bear, mean look, beard, married with three daughters, I believe, was three daughters and if you listen to his wife,
[SPEAKER_02]: who's been interviewed numerous times.
[SPEAKER_02]: She never knew what he was doing.
[SPEAKER_02]: She never knew what kind of job he had.
[SPEAKER_02]: When he wanted to leave, he would leave.
[SPEAKER_02]: Sometimes, not come back for months so that time stay out of a night.
[SPEAKER_00]: Wow.
[SPEAKER_02]: Big cuddly teddy bear.
[SPEAKER_00]: But she had a sister on my hair.
[SPEAKER_02]: He was the world's best father occasionally.
[SPEAKER_02]: And at the flip of a switch, he'd become
[SPEAKER_02]: physically violent and verbally abusive he broke his wife's nose dislocated arms shoulders read the kill his eldest daughter uh... was he known as a psychopath or schizophrenic all that uh... by means he was clinically declared that or just as a lesson but he he he claimed to be a uh... hitman for higher
[SPEAKER_02]: about all the famous mob hits you, Bob.
[SPEAKER_02]: Some of them are actually funny.
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, I know, I know some of them.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's wild.
[SPEAKER_02]: In reality, I mean, I've read two of his bios.
[SPEAKER_02]: I've seen the HBO special.
[SPEAKER_02]: After he got arrested and convicted, he figured he's going to make a couple of dollars out of his conviction.
[SPEAKER_02]: that was infamous or famous throughout his, he did it.
[SPEAKER_02]: He even confessed, he was convicted of killing five digital businesses that he cheated, stole from.
[SPEAKER_02]: And he figured to keep them going to the cops talking to somebody about it, he killed, okay.
[SPEAKER_02]: All these other alleged hits are just products of his own imagination.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's what I get out of it.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's what a lot of people got out of it.
[SPEAKER_02]: I can give you some thoughts on show.
[SPEAKER_00]: Why would Lauren Forzman give in that much credibility and assume he was there just to get the cases of them.
[SPEAKER_00]: What's their book?
[SPEAKER_02]: The clear case.
[SPEAKER_02]: I figured that.
[SPEAKER_02]: A long time.
[SPEAKER_02]: Trust me.
[SPEAKER_02]: The case.
[SPEAKER_02]: I give you an example.
[SPEAKER_02]: He was convicted of killing the five people actually.
[SPEAKER_02]: He was very innovative by the way, and also, in fact, he wasn't prison.
[SPEAKER_02]: And said, I, because he started to pass to anybody who would have listened to all these famous people, he could be out for all kinds of involved in all kinds of high level assassinations.
[SPEAKER_02]: They wanted to interview her, and he said, well, I'm not leaving the wife anything.
[SPEAKER_02]: I can't tell you anything.
[SPEAKER_02]: You're going to have to pony up, and allegedly she got a host of a half a million dollars.
[SPEAKER_02]: Wow.
[SPEAKER_02]: So to make it interesting, you started to get, don't you sign just right away?
[SPEAKER_02]: You started to confess in the first thing, you could first, was an unsolved police officer killing.
[SPEAKER_02]: If you get what the hell it's unsolved and on his confession, no evidence.
[SPEAKER_02]: He confessed to the killing, the, the, the he charged him with it.
[SPEAKER_02]: He confessed in court, and it sent sent sent sent to a six life term.
[SPEAKER_02]: Don't ever, you know, at that point who cares.
[SPEAKER_02]: You know, he, well, that was amazing, but I got to give him this.
[SPEAKER_02]: He was innovative in his methods of killing the police as to the time of death.
[SPEAKER_02]: He would freeze bodies, and this is how he got the nickname, Ice Man, he would think it wasn't the meaner, you know, he liked the freeze people, but he wasn't very smart about it because after he put them out of their freezer to have their bodies discovered.
[SPEAKER_02]: He didn't floor them out long enough.
[SPEAKER_02]: And when these bodies were opened, frankly, not like last week's, a guest book, Thomas Kooji of Botoxics, they opened them up soon after being discovered because that's what you do.
[SPEAKER_02]: And the organs were crystallized due to freezing.
[SPEAKER_02]: So they know the bodies were frozen.
[SPEAKER_02]: And so that, if you needed any alibi, that's not,
[SPEAKER_02]: the method of spraying cyanide into a thickness basis in a squeeze bottle.
[SPEAKER_02]: Spray it just walk away.
[SPEAKER_02]: And his attitude was the less sloppy it is, better it.
[SPEAKER_02]: Because he didn't want to leave any blood evidence.
[SPEAKER_02]: He probably got a bug, odd on him, bodily fluids or anything.
[SPEAKER_02]: Great people with cyanide.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's how he was caught.
[SPEAKER_00]: Dispive confirmed five and those were business associates that were on their way to see him to buy some What had 25,000 and all that 20 2000 he killed him that's what he it was a second that So what I'm just I'm playing devil's advocate this time Why when he confessed to murders that were done without sign on did they think he was the killer
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, because he said, his attitude was he to killings clean, but if the money was good enough, but he said when it came to the mob, the mob, that he was paid well, and if he was asked to do what killing he would do it.
[SPEAKER_02]: When I run down his list, people, he said he killed what he did with the bodies.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's actually some of them, one of them, anyway, really funny.
[SPEAKER_02]: But he got caught, because he ran out of science.
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, after him for a while, but they couldn't get anything on him.
[SPEAKER_02]: So they infiltrated and undercover alcohol tobacco and firearms agent and Italian guy.
[SPEAKER_02]: And for Künstler, he wasn't stupid.
[SPEAKER_02]: But this guy had to be with him for a long time.
[SPEAKER_02]: And this undercover cop agent knew that the longer he stayed with the ice man, that he was going to die because anybody that he dealt, he killed.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Donna's way to who knows where, and he was surrounded by the cops and he was caught and then eventually picked by Thomas sides, plus after him and his wife signed his life rights.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's when he started talking about it.
[SPEAKER_02]: And what's going to show me half of course, just to me this.
[SPEAKER_00]: And that has to be, I mean, he's about the 10th person that killed Jimmy Afel, but I know.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, and there were so many books on the half of case.
[SPEAKER_02]: He's never mentioned in any of them, was everybody knows that it took money.
[SPEAKER_02]: But anyway, he kills, he kills half, very soon.
[SPEAKER_02]: Then he finds out that they're going to do some construction area that he buried him.
[SPEAKER_02]: puts him in his car and drops him in New Jersey or Connecticut.
[SPEAKER_02]: He's like three states away, all right.
[SPEAKER_02]: And he puts him on a boat that you're pan to be.
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, my God.
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, God finished, yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I know it's not going to hilarious.
[SPEAKER_02]: To be delivered to a Japanese automaker that was involved with the mob.
[SPEAKER_02]: I got to think, you're not driving a hunt of folks, you're driving a huff.
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, if he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's
[SPEAKER_02]: He said he was a member of Mayo's and I'm quoting his killing crew.
[SPEAKER_02]: What he said this after the Mayo himself was he said he killed them.
[SPEAKER_00]: Also.
[SPEAKER_02]: Cool.
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, it's everybody knows who killed the Mayo and it wasn't Richard.
[SPEAKER_00]: Hello.
[SPEAKER_02]: Erica Pitchy wrote a book called the Kelly machine.
[SPEAKER_02]: All of the mail, which I read and it's a tech book that a lot of research
[SPEAKER_02]: Jericho Pitchy for those who don't know, he's a great criminal on the organized crime.
[SPEAKER_02]: He has his own webpage, he used the rifle belly news, but in all in the 400, I don't know page book.
[SPEAKER_02]: It doesn't mention the clansky ones.
[SPEAKER_02]: He also said he wasn't wild with killing Pocastolano.
[SPEAKER_02]: He was one of the hitters.
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, surely they let him make just because they they knew he'd be loyal to them.
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, yes, he's a special favorite for Sammy the Bono and when Grano was was as he said Caclensky, who of course he confessed to everything else.
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, and he said that him and Jim and John Gotti with tight and he was very well trusted.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's how he got it.
[SPEAKER_02]: Bob, that's the honor.
[SPEAKER_04]: part of the crime angle anti hit, right?
[SPEAKER_02]: Yes, that too, you're a busy guy.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's amazing.
[SPEAKER_02]: Probably a lot of you killed July 12th, uh, in a backyard.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I'd be crawled up because that was my birth, and uh, I was in the area, so.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, you went over.
[SPEAKER_00]: You told us that.
[SPEAKER_00]: You went over.
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, I couldn't get anywhere in the other, I just was just curious, you know.
[SPEAKER_02]: It was, uh, was in, uh, on the border of Brooklyn and Queens,
[SPEAKER_00]: He wanted to take his family back, and he thought, you know, he would wipe out this guy.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, well, of course, what have they got to?
[SPEAKER_02]: Iceman, take care of him.
[SPEAKER_04]: He also said he was recruited by John Gotti to kill Tommy Velody.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's the same hit.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But the interesting thing, his size alone would be just too obvious.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's seen coming down the block.
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, the guys are a big idiot.
[SPEAKER_02]: He was also heavily drugged.
[SPEAKER_02]: You can tell that he's on.
[SPEAKER_02]: He was on the, he was on the, the, the, the he had, the story ended express.
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, that's the best way I could put it.
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, the guy was,
[SPEAKER_02]: he was on some kind of bombing truck like a lot of valley in more a lot of what but whatever they give you and do they do that I didn't I was totally aware they give you a value well I'm just giving an example about you know if you say one valley in the palms you'll slow you down it'll look like he took a whole fist I mean they guy was really speaking very slowly and it's all as if you dilated so
[SPEAKER_02]: And it's on, I watched it a couple of days in the preparation for this podcast.
[SPEAKER_02]: He virtually confesses to everything.
[SPEAKER_02]: And he just looks at the camera, you have to get a ally.
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, the guy was just brutal.
[SPEAKER_02]: I threatened to kill his, his oldest daughter, too, for some real or imagined reaction.
[SPEAKER_02]: She's interviewed in this HBO special.
[SPEAKER_00]: But I mean, just in your research and what you are telling me, I can't say any credibility at all.
[SPEAKER_00]: I can't believe it was forcement.
[SPEAKER_00]: I know, but why would whatever?
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, the money, well, the mom talking about the, why given money when you know he's lying?
[SPEAKER_02]: It's, you know, any type of a documentary is all theater, but so whoever produces a documentary has a point of view
[SPEAKER_02]: prove something that I can't imagine that the thing back of ever see a true crime document where at the end they say, well, now we're going to leave it up to you decide whether the guy has killed innocent.
[SPEAKER_02]: There is no such thing.
[SPEAKER_02]: So there's an agenda here and the agenda, I mean, he was when he was in court, like you said, Johnny, he looked apart.
[SPEAKER_02]: He looked apart of what he would imagine a moderate man to be, big and mean
[SPEAKER_02]: So he figured I'm going to capitalize on this.
[SPEAKER_02]: I know I'm never getting out.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'll confess to all of this stuff.
[SPEAKER_00]: When did all this happen?
[SPEAKER_02]: Ah, yeah, 80s early, 90s.
[SPEAKER_02]: He died.
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, OK.
[SPEAKER_02]: So he saw the HBO special was in the early 2000s.
[SPEAKER_00]: So he saw the Godfather.
[SPEAKER_00]: Maybe thought he was look or brought to you.
[SPEAKER_02]: Ha ha ha ha ha.
[SPEAKER_02]: Benchul, you know, his is the daughter.
[SPEAKER_02]: And he was married.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yes, she was.
[SPEAKER_02]: She was born on Long Island.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's not like taking you your phone away for a week.
[SPEAKER_00]: I hear you.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm just traumatizing.
[SPEAKER_00]: Hello.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's to make a point, and this is, you know, with this family, which you have them with a knife, just to draw a little blood to make a point.
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, that's an untangely, unpoint, isn't it?
[SPEAKER_00]: I have to make a point to the stand.
[SPEAKER_02]: People don't want to be.
[SPEAKER_02]: And not going anywhere.
[SPEAKER_02]: He was, he was, he had a serious road rage.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's no surprise.
[SPEAKER_00]: Meg, Meg, I mean, this is so far left of what you even know about.
[SPEAKER_00]: If you had a father like this, how fast would you move?
[SPEAKER_04]: I'd be out, I'd be gone.
[SPEAKER_04]: I mean, I can't even write my head around this.
[SPEAKER_00]: You even, I mean, any part of his life sounds like bull.
[SPEAKER_02]: You look at the, look at it from the family's point of view.
[SPEAKER_02]: And you see this a lot with victims of sexual abuse and domestic.
[SPEAKER_02]: As a PI, I handle a lot of domestic abuse.
[SPEAKER_02]: I've handled probably over a thousand.
[SPEAKER_02]: And that's a, that's a, a very low estimate of what, but the worst cases that started with domestic abuse.
[SPEAKER_02]: or afraid to do anything or go anywhere.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's very common.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, definitely true.
[SPEAKER_02]: He would this guy, he threatened.
[SPEAKER_02]: This family is my family.
[SPEAKER_02]: No one's ever going to break it up.
[SPEAKER_02]: And if you do, I will find you.
[SPEAKER_02]: And if you think what I did to the dog is bad, went to to see what I do to you.
[SPEAKER_02]: So very common.
[SPEAKER_02]: Mm.
[SPEAKER_02]: Give me here for an act of joining a Michael Shannon.
[SPEAKER_02]: No, me either.
[SPEAKER_02]: and uh... that film that we all know in the love probably not and it was a academy awards that was a well well the iceman store of his life based on it who's directed it that will tell you a lot when on a writer she directed it no who directed by area of the yeah but but these people were in it uh... when on a right on well they take a paycheck that's why they show up
[SPEAKER_02]: And Chris Evans, but it's part of it.
[SPEAKER_00]: And what year was that?
[SPEAKER_00]: And it's just that bomb.
[SPEAKER_00]: Two thousand.
[SPEAKER_04]: That's the America.
[SPEAKER_00]: Two thousand twelve.
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, that's just your answer, right?
[SPEAKER_00]: These people are all out of work.
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, he was supposed to testify while he was a president, but he was willing to testify to anything.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's not.
[SPEAKER_02]: He died suddenly in 2006, March 56.
[SPEAKER_02]: right away, the room is started that he was silent, but silence by who?
[SPEAKER_00]: His daughter, his daughter, that he killed a dog.
[SPEAKER_02]: You know, I mean, there could be hits, doesn't that mean that doesn't happen, but Michael Baden, who was a very well-expected medical examiner, was called in the Quellat, that he did
[SPEAKER_02]: He died of cardiac arrest, heart disease, and bite it's like a hot spot.
[SPEAKER_00]: So they were just trying to dramatize even as death, setting the capitalized on.
[SPEAKER_00]: Anybody who made that's probably HBO.
[SPEAKER_00]: Said, oh, we've been getting this guy a lot of money.
[SPEAKER_00]: But let's make sure that making it be a mob he had to have to more seasons with him.
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, well, I'm sure he didn't expect it to go.
[SPEAKER_02]: But he was talking to me.
[SPEAKER_00]: But talking to nobody, can't.
[SPEAKER_04]: So one of the murders that he was convicted for was of Gary Smith, one of his business and so it, and the story behind that, I just, it was one of the things that I kept reading over and over again, it was insane.
[SPEAKER_04]: So basically the incident was one of his men had snitched, so when she was worried about another one, which was Smith, so he decided that he would die, so he fed him a poison
[SPEAKER_04]: He strangled him, myth, then deafness ex-wife failed to return with a car to get rid of the body.
[SPEAKER_04]: So they stuck him between the mattress and the box spring of the motel that they were staying at in Jersey.
[SPEAKER_04]: And over the next few days, more people rented the room and complained about a smell.
[SPEAKER_00]: A body.
[SPEAKER_04]: It wasn't until a few days later that the manager investigated and found the rotting corpse.
[SPEAKER_00]: So he was in the floor box spring, not in between the bed.
[SPEAKER_04]: It was in between the mattress and the box spring.
[SPEAKER_04]: That's what it did.
[SPEAKER_00]: No, I can't tell you.
[SPEAKER_02]: I had something to do with this.
[SPEAKER_02]: Similar happened to me when I was a cop.
[SPEAKER_02]: There was somebody reported missing.
[SPEAKER_02]: There was an S.R.R.R.R.R.R.R.R.R.R.R.R.R.R.R.R.R.R.R.R.R.R.R.R.R.R.R.R.R.R.R.R.R.R.R.R.R.R.R.R.R.R.R.R.R.R.R.R.R.R.R.R.R.R.R.R.R.R.R.R.R.R.R.R.R.R.R.R.R.R.
[SPEAKER_02]: Right, a finest guy, I forgot his name, but he lived with two other guys, so we had an interview with them.
[SPEAKER_02]: So we went into the room and it's thought there was a tune of first sandwich.
[SPEAKER_02]: I never forget this, that was left out.
[SPEAKER_00]: Deliberally.
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, it was green.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: At it.
[SPEAKER_02]: It was the middle of the summer.
[SPEAKER_02]: These hotels don't have a condition.
[SPEAKER_02]: And we go in there and we're on the couch, taking notes, writing.
[SPEAKER_02]: Why don't he hold on to these guys get rid of this fricking sandwich, but then again, they were junkies, they were placed still, why I said on a couch, I think it was the only place we sit at a right there with my partner, I put it in in one of my book, we had it go back one more time, who the first time was just still there, and I had I had to follow it up with something I thought what it was it turned out, and I was sitting on, he was like,
[SPEAKER_00]: in the couch, that I can understand.
[SPEAKER_00]: But to be any, any mind, anybody has any clear, I mean, the box's bringing a mattress, you can't put a body there.
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, he must have been very thin.
[SPEAKER_00]: No, he was in that, and the hotel bedrooms, like in Vegas, they built on a solid frame to the floor.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's a lot of the need to box-spray, not between them.
[SPEAKER_02]: But they could have cut the box for both of them.
[SPEAKER_02]: The purpose of that tuna sandwich, which was the throw whistle.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's what I told you when you told me that.
[SPEAKER_00]: Some people used that a lot.
[SPEAKER_00]: That I know.
[SPEAKER_02]: I didn't come up with the body.
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, we took the second, what I left, somebody else, I guess it got overwhelmed while somebody else was.
[SPEAKER_02]: But I was actually sitting on it.
[SPEAKER_04]: That's crazy.
[SPEAKER_04]: But when you were around some of these guys that mentioned the name, did you ever hear about him or anyone?
[SPEAKER_00]: Nobody, not a soul.
[SPEAKER_00]: And with that name and his description, you'd know about him in two seconds.
[SPEAKER_00]: They would take him out in a minute.
[SPEAKER_00]: Any of these kids that want to create their bones, that would have been a Sunday morning contract.
[SPEAKER_00]: Take care of this for us.
[SPEAKER_00]: Let's see if you can do it.
[SPEAKER_00]: He would have been on a grocery list.
[SPEAKER_04]: Because he supposedly said that he was an independent, you know, pillar for contract from each of the five families.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, of course.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: And they just hire him like an Uber.
[SPEAKER_04]: The guy is so stupid, but you don't think he was associated with anybody.
[SPEAKER_00]: Never never.
[SPEAKER_00]: No, why would they need him for?
[SPEAKER_00]: You can call Canada.
[SPEAKER_00]: They can call Canada as zippewa drive down into Kering and take a big back.
[SPEAKER_02]: Back now You want to find a guy.
[SPEAKER_02]: What are you looking at the phone book?
[SPEAKER_02]: Cycles are us.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, you know, who the hell would trust this guy?
[SPEAKER_00]: That's what he said that that would be the other big problem He alleged that
[SPEAKER_02]: making a couple of talks that all these killings he used the following weapon, roast bows, ice fix, a bomb attached to a remote controlled toy, firearms grenades, the only thing that that they could positively confirm was cyan ice solution, I mean, of course they found it in the
[SPEAKER_00]: Why would you give this guy any credibility at all?
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, they want to clear cases.
[SPEAKER_00]: But that's like, anybody, I mean, what I know about the police department is not what you know, but anything that is this stupid, what district attorney would even want to be.
[SPEAKER_02]: In one case, on his confession was that, I was a cop who had it.
[SPEAKER_02]: involving him involved in the killing.
[SPEAKER_02]: And most people disputed that right away.
[SPEAKER_04]: Oh, yeah.
[SPEAKER_04]: The law enforcement was like, there's no way.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_04]: I don't pay.
[SPEAKER_00]: But that's what I'm saying.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm sitting is saying they are.
[SPEAKER_00]: They are law enforcement.
[SPEAKER_00]: This man's word.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's all.
[SPEAKER_02]: They was.
[SPEAKER_02]: They knew he did.
[SPEAKER_02]: But it was an unsolved cop killing.
[SPEAKER_02]: You don't leave these unsolved.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's never been an unsolved cop.
[SPEAKER_02]: So they decided we confess.
[SPEAKER_02]: Let's convict.
[SPEAKER_02]: We'll go to court at a Raymond.
[SPEAKER_02]: Please at a Raymond.
[SPEAKER_02]: Please guilty.
[SPEAKER_02]: And they put them away from another life.
[SPEAKER_02]: and it just added another arch to his reputation.
[SPEAKER_00]: When he was diagnosed with an anti-social personality, so yeah, no kidding, I'm sorry, paranoid person, so what I mean to me, well, you know, again, I guess the soul books and had a good, now I had the series do, for HBO.
[SPEAKER_02]: But at this weight, 2004 or three, it's still on.
[SPEAKER_02]: every now and then it's on HBO.
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, they own it.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's why they just can show it.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, and not funny, funny, funny.
[SPEAKER_00]: To a most people don't realize once they buy that, they own it.
[SPEAKER_00]: Now, they have to have content 24 hours a day, seven days a week.
[SPEAKER_00]: And also, so when you say, oh, my show's still on,
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, there's this stuff on television that should never have been on it.
[SPEAKER_00]: They bought some cheap.
[SPEAKER_02]: But that's one of, he was a character and at the time they never had interviewed or had a real hitman done using the equates here, but confess he looked apart, so they let him just run off with the mouth.
[SPEAKER_02]: He got paid very well.
[SPEAKER_02]: He was able to leave something, and people still believe he did all this stuff.
[SPEAKER_02]: gullible is as a lot of people are.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, he alleged that he killed between a hundred and two hundred people.
[SPEAKER_04]: I mean, that's a big, that's a big span to be throwing out there.
[SPEAKER_04]: But then one law enforcement officer said, there's no way he doesn't believe that.
[SPEAKER_04]: He says, baby, 15 at most.
[SPEAKER_00]: By row.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's still a lot.
[SPEAKER_02]: No, 15, 15, 15, 15, 15, 15, 15, 15, 15, 15, 15, 15, 15, 15, 15, 15, 15, 15, 15, 15, 15, 15, 15, 15, 15, 15, 15, 15, 15, 15, 15, 15, 15, 15, 15, 15, 15, 15, 15, 15, 15, 15, 15, 15, 15, 15, 15, 15, 15, 15, 15, 15, 15, 15, 15, 15, 15, 15, 15, 15,
[SPEAKER_02]: that's the mow as I'm always calling people and murdering them fact that's what I was just a state the new judge stated who said would characterize the motive uh... murders at the profit and i'm quoting here he set up individuals business deals they disappear and the money ended up in
[SPEAKER_00]: That's all.
[SPEAKER_00]: He's not.
[SPEAKER_00]: He couldn't even sit down and have a conversation with some of the mob names he's mentioned.
[SPEAKER_00]: They would throw him out of the bullet.
[SPEAKER_00]: They would never get in the building and have the conversation.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm so concerned.
[SPEAKER_02]: He was a common criminal that wanted to be remembered and death as an uncommon.
[SPEAKER_00]: Right.
[SPEAKER_02]: And he succeeded, because people believed.
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, I remember when DeNaro bought the book, the Irishman, or they pain houses rather.
[SPEAKER_00]: And then they made it into the Irishman.
[SPEAKER_00]: And he started telling me some of the stuff, I said, Bobby, that's crazy.
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, he bought it.
[SPEAKER_00]: So it took him 16 years.
[SPEAKER_00]: He bought it in 2004.
[SPEAKER_00]: Took him 16 years to make it because everything was so incredible.
[SPEAKER_00]: It means like, you know, but here we are, it's drama.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's drama.
[SPEAKER_02]: People pay to be entertained.
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, that's why they put the cast together, that they didn't follow.
[SPEAKER_02]: For the last target, you never gonna see these people.
[SPEAKER_02]: How did that movie do?
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know, and I mean, it's, again, because they put so much money into it.
[SPEAKER_00]: You love it, no.
[SPEAKER_00]: They did it for subscribers.
[SPEAKER_00]: And to have that as part of their library, if tomorrow you wanna subscribe to Netflix, HBO, you wanna see what films they own.
[SPEAKER_00]: The wallet is bragging rights for them.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's like, I mean, a Megan comes from a family and it's a good analogy of father creates gems.
[SPEAKER_00]: And they create these memberships so in expensive that you can pay in the early, you haven't been in the gym to two years.
[SPEAKER_00]: Somebody that's going to wake up.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's inherent in the gym business, you know?
[SPEAKER_02]: It's just, at the time of the year, in the gym business, is right after the new year's business.
[SPEAKER_02]: Of course.
[SPEAKER_00]: And that's what they're going to do and I hate it because I can say the three weeks I got to suffer with these people waiting to get on equipment and you can you can set your clock by three weeks to the day they got but that's doesn't have it all but I mean that I think I think When you when you see the streaming networks that everybody got into now It's the fact well like a 24 hour gym come for $10 it's that mentality
[SPEAKER_00]: They're playing on it, not like you want to watch blue bloods, it's on 10 o'clock CBS Friday night.
[SPEAKER_00]: So you're giving them a leeway, and you're giving them a roster, and they never pick up their memberships, and to have some of the stories, I guess, to have the iceman.
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, but it's just in the real life I'm talking about in the business that he said he
[SPEAKER_00]: All five murders, same boat, that's who he was.
[SPEAKER_00]: It probably occurred.
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't even know he just looked at the cops.
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't even know he just looked at the cops.
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't even know he
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, everybody, I think everybody like to take out, you know, big, stupid, right street.
[SPEAKER_02]: But anyway, his, uh, next to a neighbor is said, great, guy with him and no one knows what was on me.
[SPEAKER_02]: Because they see his wife with a broke, no, a rominal soul.
[SPEAKER_02]: And they just, it would do.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, but then again, I would, I would, what I used to look for houses.
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, I shouldn't say this on the year,
[SPEAKER_00]: When I used to look for house, I used to want to talk to the neighbors and hopefully we're stupid, I'd buy the house.
[SPEAKER_00]: You get some Israel's smart and going to be looking at your business when you come to go.
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't want to live there.
[SPEAKER_00]: Or I want to live a mile away from you.
[SPEAKER_02]: What's the bad thing about living in a small town?
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't know.
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't even know what I'm saying.
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't even know what my next one is.
[SPEAKER_02]: Not that I'm unfriendly.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm a light, I'm respectful, but I don't want to go to your parties.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: Of course, I'll tell you, people talk, rumors, gossip, but this is going to be, we got to wait.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's funny, though.
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, it's just thing, I feel like Apollo wrote this guy's life story, and we all know what, but that it's like Philip, Apollo, specialized, and writing true, but prime.
[SPEAKER_00]: So he's game credibility, too.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, he did, but he even says alleged this alleged act, but I feel the call if you don't want to up any of it, he couldn't write it, even this book was entertaining, you just have to take it as it.
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, he probably, he needed a book and so he said let me write this guy's book.
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, he got that paper, that's what he does.
[SPEAKER_02]: but gets royalties would be on the whole world.
[SPEAKER_02]: He's right.
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, yeah, no, but I'm saying in the life, the real life, this guy's not credible and immediately is not credible.
[SPEAKER_00]: Get him out of the neighborhood.
[SPEAKER_00]: Don't even let him in the neighborhood.
[SPEAKER_02]: The place such is the life of Richard McClens.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, like to say, all right, babe.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: Especially after killing his daughter's dog.
[SPEAKER_00]: P on his grave, you get about rest in peace, rest in peace is this, oh my God, okay, all right, I guess any I'll let let's so I want to hear Megan's take on this topic.
[SPEAKER_04]: Megan, I take on it.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, now that you've read the research and you don't come up from a crime life most of our audience.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, most of our audiences are used.
[SPEAKER_00]: So I want to know, certainly, stay away from this subject matter from now on.
[SPEAKER_02]: Along the way that there are people living like this, Megan?
[SPEAKER_04]: Uh, I think by now I'm pretty aware.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_04]: I would stay where in what hour one, I think I'm pretty aware.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_04]: I'm not too shocked anymore.
[SPEAKER_04]: So.
[SPEAKER_04]: But anybody who's still listening, I would say it's definitely as interested as I am, so I don't think there's anything not to touch upon.
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, no, no, I understand.
[SPEAKER_00]: But we just can't make a practice at all.
[SPEAKER_00]: We have too many real people to talk about.
[SPEAKER_04]: Well, we always meet content, so people are liking it.
[SPEAKER_04]: Why does what keep going?
[SPEAKER_00]: All right.
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, here's what we're going to do.
[SPEAKER_00]: We're going to go earn some money.
[SPEAKER_00]: And we'll be right back with our mailbag.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, we're back and we have to make up five minutes because we only did 35 minutes on Mr. McClensky.
[SPEAKER_04]: Well, that's exactly how much we need, so it's perfect.
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, okay.
[SPEAKER_04]: That was the exact time.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's why you're going to lose it.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm just going to lose it.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm just here.
[SPEAKER_04]: I got a dog cover, don't worry.
[SPEAKER_04]: All right.
[SPEAKER_04]: First question is from Nick.
[SPEAKER_04]: Nick says this question is geared toward Mr. Russo, but I'm curious as to the process of the initiation of a made man.
[SPEAKER_04]: I know there is an oath and a prick of the finger, et cetera, but if that could be explained in a more or less step by step manner, I'd really appreciate you.
[SPEAKER_04]: You've already addressed this as an episode and I haven't yet listened to it, but you please point in that direction.
[SPEAKER_04]: Thank you to advance and keep up the great work, Mr. Russo.
[SPEAKER_04]: You point out in your book that it's a wonder you've made it through so many predicaments to live to tell the tales.
[SPEAKER_04]: But God must want you to spread the knowledge you withhold from the life you've lived, and I thank him for granting you that blessing.
[SPEAKER_00]: I thank him even more than you.
[SPEAKER_00]: No, but I mean, to get to be initiated into a family, you have to be earning a lot of money.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's all about and loyalty.
[SPEAKER_00]: Money is a big factor.
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, when you take a for instance of a Paul Costalano who never had a hit to his credit and not saying he didn't have people killed, but he didn't have to do it himself.
[SPEAKER_00]: He was a big earner.
[SPEAKER_00]: And so I mean,
[SPEAKER_00]: And all the, I mean, there's so many ways, and the Galabres are different than the Sussans initiation.
[SPEAKER_00]: So all that's, all that's theater, you know?
[SPEAKER_02]: I think this listener wants you to describe the, the ceremony.
[SPEAKER_00]: I know, but there's three different ceremonies.
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't want to get into that.
[SPEAKER_00]: Watch, you know, you, we just said about it.
[SPEAKER_00]: We talked about it.
[SPEAKER_00]: Henry Hill, I'll tell you the whole thing, and we'll have to play that part.
[SPEAKER_00]: You'll see the ceremony, you know, it's almost cartoonish the way they do it, and they don't get the meaning of it first of all.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's not anymore.
[SPEAKER_00]: No.
[SPEAKER_00]: So moving on, and we do have, we do have episodes about getting in the mob.
[SPEAKER_00]: Being conditioned.
[SPEAKER_04]: Next is from Zachary.
[SPEAKER_04]: Originally from Indianapolis and grew up between there and Louisville,
[SPEAKER_04]: but have lived in downtown San Francisco for 20 years.
[SPEAKER_04]: I'm curious if you ever spent time here and if so, what are your thoughts on the town?
[SPEAKER_04]: Wishing you good times in New York.
[SPEAKER_00]: I love San Francisco to visit.
[SPEAKER_00]: Freshman's walk all that and I've been there a lot of times.
[SPEAKER_00]: I love the fam on hotel.
[SPEAKER_00]: No, San Francisco is a lot to offer.
[SPEAKER_00]: I just want to live there, the climate, I went there numerous times.
[SPEAKER_00]: to the 49er's games, all their home games, because I was in poverty, the national football league indirectly.
[SPEAKER_00]: But no, I mean, San Francisco, I'd love to visit.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'd love to visit, not live.
[SPEAKER_00]: To damp my half-risis.
[SPEAKER_04]: All right, next is from Antonio.
[SPEAKER_04]: Antonio says, hi, guys.
[SPEAKER_04]: Wonderful show as always.
[SPEAKER_04]: just wondering if it would be possible to get us or goodmen on the podcast.
[SPEAKER_04]: Another Cheyenne goes back a long way with him and I watched his interview with Patrick Petdade.
[SPEAKER_04]: Historian is insight into the history of Las Vegas is fascinating and I think it would be a great, great to hear him recall his memory from his time as a mob lawyer and as the mayor of Las Vegas.
[SPEAKER_00]: That is a great suggestion.
[SPEAKER_00]: We're always looking for people.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I have a great rapport with him, and know many, many years, and his wife, in fact, my ex-wife, which is so funny, and mother of one of my children, was his assistant, and then his wife's assistant, well, let's get him on, we'll have fun with it.
[SPEAKER_00]: But I'll reach out from this week, actually.
[SPEAKER_00]: Nice suggestion, thank you.
[SPEAKER_00]: Oscar would be a lot of fun.
[SPEAKER_04]: So next is from tour.
[SPEAKER_04]: Dorchester's Bionni, as you have related Frank Costello was a close friend of Judy Garland and helped her from many years.
[SPEAKER_04]: Judy was also a friend of Patricia Kennedy Loughford.
[SPEAKER_04]: Judy of Patricia both gave birth to the suns on the same day in the same hospital.
[SPEAKER_04]: Frank grew his friendship with Judy Met and liked her friend, Patricia.
[SPEAKER_04]: Though their friendship, through their friendship, he later met Peter Loughford.
[SPEAKER_04]: Frank was also a supporter of Father Pete TV show.
[SPEAKER_04]: Peter Payton, you know what that name is?
[SPEAKER_00]: Nope.
[SPEAKER_00]: I didn't watch TV.
[SPEAKER_04]: Just reduce five hack candy lawford.
[SPEAKER_04]: Do you ever meet Peter Payton who died in 1992 or pat Kennedy lawford passed?
[SPEAKER_04]: That's it.
[SPEAKER_00]: Maybe I did, but I, you know, I was in on a first name basis with the lawford's at all.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I was around Peter, you know, many, many years, and none of the Kennedy's sisters that who she was, you know, I mean, because Stella had a knack of all getting involved with these people.
[SPEAKER_00]: He loved them.
[SPEAKER_00]: Plus, when you think about it, half father was his partner during prohibition.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm sure he wouldn't have met a several times on their own through the father.
[SPEAKER_04]: All right, next is from Richard, which says as he's a Vegas guy now, I was wondering if Gianni has ever had any dealings with that rescues, John Taffer.
[SPEAKER_00]: That rescue, that's what it's done.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's a show.
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know what it is.
[SPEAKER_00]: Or business guy, rescue's bats.
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't, I mean, I don't even, you should be more specific.
[SPEAKER_00]: Does you want to know if I know the guy?
[SPEAKER_04]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_00]: I know Patrick bat, David, but not that one.
[SPEAKER_00]: But you know Batman.
[SPEAKER_00]: Batman, yeah.
[SPEAKER_04]: John Taffer is an American entrepreneur and television personality.
[SPEAKER_04]: I was bar rest.
[SPEAKER_04]: I need a typo.
[SPEAKER_04]: Oh bar rest.
[SPEAKER_04]: Oh my god.
[SPEAKER_04]: That's way more sense.
[SPEAKER_04]: Bar rest.
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, hello.
[SPEAKER_00]: No, that show is a moron show of all shows, I watched it.
[SPEAKER_00]: I had a roommate staying in, we watched it religiously, I don't understand why somebody we'd even lie to that guy, come in and abuse you and your family and everything and tell you everything I did wrong, and miraculously, in two weeks, you're making millions.
[SPEAKER_00]: Bull, Taka, anybody in the ball business knows that.
[SPEAKER_00]: Moving on.
[SPEAKER_04]: All right, next is from Monica, Monica says, I recently did our book in one day and I just started listening to your podcast.
[SPEAKER_00]: Whoa, Johnny, Johnny, you would have won your hamburger.
[SPEAKER_04]: Johnny mentioned on an episode that he knew Wighty Bulger.
[SPEAKER_04]: I read a fascinating and chilling book called Boys in her in chief.
[SPEAKER_04]: By Stephen Kinniser, about Sydney Gottlieb of the CIA, who conducted the LSD experiment among other hard.
[SPEAKER_04]: What was it that the Wighty Bulge of All Entire to take part in these experiments, while in prison?
[SPEAKER_04]: Did Wighty ever discuss this with you?
[SPEAKER_00]: I never talked to Wighty after he was picked up in California because of his girlfriend.
[SPEAKER_00]: I wasn't on his list of visitors, and I wasn't going to begin with.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, a prisoner, a prisoner, a prisoner,
[SPEAKER_02]: for various tests using the experimental drugs.
[SPEAKER_02]: And a lot of them volunteer because they figure when it comes time for parole and help.
[SPEAKER_02]: But I ended up I heard of Wadi Boulcher.
[SPEAKER_02]: Boulcher, he was in for multiple life terms.
[SPEAKER_02]: Why should he volunteered?
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, unless you wanted to die.
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, he got a question.
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, he did.
[SPEAKER_00]: Moving on.
[SPEAKER_04]: All right, next is from Susan.
[SPEAKER_04]: In one of your episodes, Johnny talked about the changes in the mob under John Gotti.
[SPEAKER_04]: An acquaintance of mine had a father that booked numbers back in the day.
[SPEAKER_04]: And she mentioned that he had a fear of him after the death of Paul Castellano and said he felt that things would never be the same.
[SPEAKER_04]: Did you feel the same after this hit took place at Spark Statehouse?
[SPEAKER_00]: Definitely, because you went against every thing.
[SPEAKER_00]: I knew about them all, but I'm self-governed on the outside looking at it.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I've been as a kid around it all my life.
[SPEAKER_00]: And by that time, and Tommy Baladi was very close to me, as I mentioned, he was the best man of two different weddings of mine.
[SPEAKER_00]: But no John did what he wanted to do, and he justified it in his own mind because his allegiance to O'Neill.
[SPEAKER_00]: O'Neill was his guide, and O'Neill groomed him and brought him into the mob.
[SPEAKER_00]: So when they passed over O'Neill and gave Paul,
[SPEAKER_00]: And left O'Neill where he was all the while, John thought he was going to, and he did, did what he wanted to do, he didn't go to the commission, he didn't go anywhere, he just did what he wanted to do.
[SPEAKER_04]: All right, next is from William William asks, Johnny, will you be attending the cigar with the 2021 event in Hollywood, Florida?
[SPEAKER_00]: Why?
[SPEAKER_00]: cigar, where does that own smokes at Gaza and don't drink whiskey?
[SPEAKER_00]: Why would you think I'm going?
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, I'd show up there.
[SPEAKER_00]: I get $20,000 on gum.
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, anyway.
[SPEAKER_00]: Hello.
[SPEAKER_00]: Moving on.
[SPEAKER_04]: All right.
[SPEAKER_04]: Next is from Stephen.
[SPEAKER_04]: Stephen says, hi guys, I'm on episode 36 and was at seven when I sent me on the
[SPEAKER_04]: I drive over and I have it on the background, so I'm spreading the word.
[SPEAKER_04]: My guest idea was Michael frenzy.
[SPEAKER_04]: I know you're all very busy.
[SPEAKER_04]: Hopefully this gets through things to the knowledge and also entertainment while I'm not on the road.
[SPEAKER_04]: Always lots of questions about Michael frenzy.
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh no, we love getting your suggestions, but you know, add a respect to,
[SPEAKER_00]: Sonny French, he is father and all that.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think we'd be crossing, and Michael has invited me several times on his show, and I just don't feel comfortable about it.
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, a great guy, he's achieved a lot in a lot of different, and we're a lot of different hats.
[SPEAKER_00]: So with that said, I don't think there's really anything to, what are we going to hash over it?
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, the difference in my age of Michael's is not that much, but the difference is I hit streets when I was 12.
[SPEAKER_00]: not after I graduated college or was in college.
[SPEAKER_00]: So that gives me an edge on him already for nine years.
[SPEAKER_00]: And our age group, it's, I mean, we'd just be all here, say.
[SPEAKER_00]: But I respect, you know, obviously the French, easy family.
[SPEAKER_00]: But thank you, but no thank you.
[SPEAKER_04]: Mm-hmm.
[SPEAKER_04]: All right, next I want to share a message from Brooke.
[SPEAKER_04]: Brooke says I really enjoyed the book.
[SPEAKER_04]: It was so well done and just bloated.
[SPEAKER_04]: Brutos to Gianni and Pat.
[SPEAKER_00]: And now we're at my way.
[SPEAKER_00]: To all Pat.
[SPEAKER_04]: Sorry.
[SPEAKER_04]: I'm now working my way through the podcast.
[SPEAKER_04]: I'm looking forward to books two, three, four, et cetera.
[SPEAKER_04]: Gianni, I lived in Las Vegas while young child back at the early 1960s.
[SPEAKER_04]: And I have to say that it was safest place to live as a kid.
[SPEAKER_04]: We were all three teams running around our neighborhood day or night, dating, writing, et cetera.
[SPEAKER_04]: And no one messed with any of us.
[SPEAKER_04]: I have such pleasant memories of that last Vegas.
[SPEAKER_04]: Silver Dollar pancakes that the silver slipper rolling at showboat lanes.
[SPEAKER_04]: It was a great place to go up.
[SPEAKER_04]: Thanks for the moment.
[SPEAKER_00]: No.
[SPEAKER_00]: And that's because that's when you grew up, the mob was running the town.
[SPEAKER_04]: That was safe.
[SPEAKER_00]: So safe.
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh my, no crime at all.
[SPEAKER_00]: You couldn't commit a crime in Las Vegas.
[SPEAKER_00]: Mob people had to take it to the desert and keep it to yourself.
[SPEAKER_00]: No, it was the best.
[SPEAKER_00]: I got there in 59 and left in 89.
[SPEAKER_00]: And since then, now I've heard what's going on.
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, I don't want to be, you know, I don't want to destroy the community.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm going back to myself several times this year.
[SPEAKER_00]: In fact, I'll be at the Bindieshan Hotel by time this show airs.
[SPEAKER_00]: So, moving on?
[SPEAKER_04]: All right, next is from Louie.
[SPEAKER_04]: Louie says,
[SPEAKER_04]: Megan, can you ask Gianni why he wasn't in the cannonball movies with Bert Rettled Martin Martin Sinatra and Stammy were in B because when they made them I wasn't even in the movies he's the answer Gianni, I saw a sea biscuit first.
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh really?
[SPEAKER_02]: All the week and I've never seen the movie.
[SPEAKER_00]: Good movie.
[UNKNOWN]: Great.
[SPEAKER_02]: You know, I didn't think I would like it.
[SPEAKER_02]: Because I'm not a horse guy, but it's that really what it's about it's a life obviously, but it's about loyal things about so many things that those of you who haven't seen that movie Definitely see it very good.
[SPEAKER_00]: No, I enjoyed doing it and I was involved with the production of it and I thought Jeff Bridges who's been shunned so many times and Toby McGuire definitely and all we got was an Oscar for Best Screenplay
[SPEAKER_00]: the performances, every, I think everybody should see that movie.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's such a great movie.
[SPEAKER_02]: And you guys nominated for editing at least?
[SPEAKER_00]: We would, a nominee for everything or most.
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, those horse race scenes were unbelievable.
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh my God, you're so real.
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, we went to every, we went to every classic track that was still operating, which was fun in itself.
[SPEAKER_00]: And that's why I fell in love with Sarah and Toga.
[SPEAKER_00]: And now I'm in my, I don't get it, it's my son.
[SPEAKER_00]: So it's interesting.
[SPEAKER_00]: Good movie.
[SPEAKER_04]: That's all I have for tonight.
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, another great show.
[SPEAKER_00]: And thank my colleagues and definitely Pat for writing this book.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's what did be no Hollywood Godfather podcast.
[SPEAKER_02]: Do you ever think of that?
[SPEAKER_02]: You had a story to tell and it was going to get old.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, but I couldn't write it to where you did, I'm sorry.
[SPEAKER_00]: God bless you all.
[SPEAKER_00]: Keep the cards and let us coming in and don't forget we started at campaign.
[SPEAKER_00]: We're going to do a viral.
[SPEAKER_00]: Is it a viral, but is it viral?
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, it's just going to be an online petition that people can sign and hopefully it'll get to the day to reopen my own house case.
[SPEAKER_00]: Love it.
[SPEAKER_00]: Thank you.
[SPEAKER_00]: God bless you and we'll talk to you next week.
[SPEAKER_01]: If you're feeling sad and lonely, there's a service I could rent them I'm the one who loves you only I could be so obstinate and calm man Don't be afraid you can calm man Maybe it's late but just calm man Tell me and I'll be wrong I want to receive your friends deserve you
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