[SPEAKER_01]: Now playing open for this is open floor Sports Illustrated's Chris Manics back at an NDA podcast with Sports Illustrated senior writer.
[SPEAKER_02]: I think it's time that the world gets to know my guy Chris Manics I think your opinion shared by everyone and now it begins now it begins
[SPEAKER_03]: This is the Open Floor NBA podcast we talk about the league and all the big stories that are going on.
[SPEAKER_03]: In it, back with me this week, the former Naismith College basketball player, the year number two, overall draft pick 10 year NBA veteran and a guy that I know.
[SPEAKER_03]: would like to be where I am right now in New York City getting ready to work the Geron NS Zander's IAS Junior Middleweight Unification Fight.
[SPEAKER_03]: There's something about NBA players, Evan Turner, that uh
[SPEAKER_03]: that they they cross over into boxing man or you box a little bit you're a fan of the sport we're just talking about Damian Lillard huge fan of the sport uh... shonswini new ed coach the Orlando magic huge fan of sport like players coaches staffers they all they all a box man i don't know what it is about boxing but they love it
[SPEAKER_00]: But yeah, I think it's a sport where, you know, obviously, you know how great you are, but it allows you to use all your talent and be selfish, I feel like.
[SPEAKER_00]: You can only worry about yourself.
[SPEAKER_00]: And basketball is a team sport.
[SPEAKER_00]: And boxing, you know, it's a fun sport.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's the same type of energy, right?
[SPEAKER_00]: Other sports take all data score, basketball, boxing is a quick response, like it doesn't take much to get points.
[SPEAKER_00]: And it's all about mentality and locking into fluidity.
[SPEAKER_00]: And you look at the footwork.
[SPEAKER_00]: You look at the level of how the crowd gets to going off a certain move, you know, it's, it's, it's, it's, there's nothing like it.
[SPEAKER_00]: I wish them.
[SPEAKER_00]: Now I wasn't tough enough the box, but, but, but if I were, when I was younger, I probably would have been, I probably would have been Moses and Timel for sure.
[SPEAKER_03]: Okay, for we're on NBA podcast people that don't know who most of the talent is he's a British heavyweight who's got tremendous hand speed and A lot of skill 21 years old.
[SPEAKER_03]: I think future heavyweight championship of the world.
[SPEAKER_03]: So you're setting the bar really high.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah
[SPEAKER_00]: 1,000 percent.
[SPEAKER_00]: I believe I would have been a prodigy.
[SPEAKER_00]: I believe in boxing.
[SPEAKER_00]: The same way I was drafted number two and they thought I was supposed to be legit.
[SPEAKER_00]: I would have came in with that same type of fanfare.
[SPEAKER_00]: But I've been more locked in because punches hurt as opposed to getting bitched in the post.
[SPEAKER_00]: You know what I mean?
[SPEAKER_00]: I didn't, I didn't affect me as much.
[SPEAKER_00]: You know what I'm saying?
[SPEAKER_00]: I think being part of the hurt business with what it helped me day to day.
[SPEAKER_03]: Uh, yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, that's a tough business to get into as I can attest to in my own personal family and my own personal experiences in boxing.
[SPEAKER_03]: Uh, that fight happening Saturday, live and zone for the, uh, N.B.
[SPEAKER_03]: audience, as interested in seeing a great fight between boot centers from Philadelphia's Andresias from Puerto Rico and New York, uh, be a fun fight down at the, uh, Barclay Center.
[SPEAKER_03]: All right, let's talk about what's been a busy week in the NBA and we've got to talk about for starters, this deal that the Charlotte Hornets made with lamella ball.
[SPEAKER_03]: The bucks are the Hornets sending lamello to Minnesota for a package of players and picks.
[SPEAKER_03]: Nas Reed is the headliner when it comes to the players.
[SPEAKER_03]: The wolves, they basically empty their watches.
[SPEAKER_03]: They give up read 233 unprotected first round pick three first round picks swaps three second round picks They get back lamellable and Josh Green.
[SPEAKER_03]: Well, let me start here Evan
[SPEAKER_03]: Um, this sort of came out of nowhere.
[SPEAKER_03]: La Mella Ball's name was not in the water supply over the last couple of weeks.
[SPEAKER_03]: But now here we are talking about La Mella going to Minnesota.
[SPEAKER_03]: Are you surprised that Charlotte that was a team on the rise last year?
[SPEAKER_03]: Finished above 500, nearly made it into the playoffs.
[SPEAKER_03]: Are you surprised that they have just offloaded their once franchise player?
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I'm definitely surprised.
[SPEAKER_00]: I didn't see that coming, especially, you know, how well the memo played last year.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think he kind of proved himself.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think he kind of got over the hurdle.
[SPEAKER_00]: But most importantly, I just, I think the memo is just such a great young talent in this new NBA and a firepower that they have.
[SPEAKER_00]: they're able to put together at the end of the season.
[SPEAKER_00]: I was super shocked.
[SPEAKER_00]: I didn't see that occurring, especially considering how much maturity I feel like the mellow show besides his excitement and his appeal that he can bring to the game of basketball.
[SPEAKER_00]: The mellow amongst the children's one of the most popular stars on earth, you know, and I believe when it comes down to his talent, sure people are wondering, like, does it translate?
[SPEAKER_00]: And I started, I believe it started
[SPEAKER_00]: with the right type of team, right type of mindset.
[SPEAKER_00]: And as certain instance halfway through the season, I feel like he took a step back for the sake of the team, and then eventually ended up a way to stand out and beat out Alpha on that unit.
[SPEAKER_00]: I didn't see that occurring, but I love what's going to happen in Minnesota.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think for the sake of entertainment and basketball, I think this is going to be prime time basketball in Minnesota.
[SPEAKER_00]: Just off just the energy alone man and man knows how to have fun with my low nose and how to have fun But there's so skilled and it's what the acid ball needs and I think when it comes down to it You need to take the firepower along with the
[SPEAKER_00]: with the rest of the intangibles when you're trying to make a playoff push and men's been to the western conference finals twice.
[SPEAKER_00]: So what to get over to hurdle, scoring, being able to have a guy that is a threat from 30 plus feet out along with being able to strip you.
[SPEAKER_00]: I believe it's going to be.
[SPEAKER_00]: very, very well for Ant-Man and also two of tape pressure off him.
[SPEAKER_00]: I believe last year when he is playing combo guard, he kind of got him tired towards the end of the season.
[SPEAKER_00]: And you know, one thing, even when they played the Mavericks a year before, you know, Ant-Man discussed about being tired, being fatigued.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I believe it will add some a little bit of mileage to his legs.
[SPEAKER_00]: You saw last year to sit out because it's just a little bit of wear and terror, you know, logging a team, carrying a team.
[SPEAKER_00]: So what do you think about it?
[SPEAKER_03]: Well, I think from Charlotte's perspective, it made me wonder if they believed that lamello's body was going to be able to hold up over the long term.
[SPEAKER_03]: lamello, before this season, had only had really one full season, one season where we played 65 plus games.
[SPEAKER_03]: That was the second year, played 75 games.
[SPEAKER_03]: I think that was the all-star year from not mistaken.
[SPEAKER_03]: This year, he was healthy for a lot of games.
[SPEAKER_03]: He was durable for this team.
[SPEAKER_03]: He played 72 games this year.
[SPEAKER_03]: But part of the reason he was durable was because the hornets put him on kind of the web and yama schedule.
[SPEAKER_03]: He averaged 28 minutes per game.
[SPEAKER_03]: Like that's unheard of for a young 20 something playmaker to be averaging 28 minutes per game.
[SPEAKER_03]: But the hornets clearly believed
[SPEAKER_03]: that that was the only way to make sure that he would stay on the floor.
[SPEAKER_03]: A guy that's been dealing with multiple different, you know, lower body injuries over the course of his career, you know, when they do a deal like this, when they don't get anything a really tangible back, like NOS reads a good player, one of the best six men in the NBA, but they're doing this for the draft picks, for the swaps, for the flexibility that they get with lamella ball.
[SPEAKER_03]: And it's not like their books are
[SPEAKER_03]: in bad shape, like their next two best players are still on rookie contracts, branded Miller, conchaniple, like they've still got some flexibility for the foreseeable future.
[SPEAKER_03]: This just made me believe that they don't believe the mellow can't hold up, physically can hold up to a long season, a long postseason, and you know this, like the best, the best thing you can be for your team is available, you know, it's simple as that.
[SPEAKER_03]: I think that told me that the hornets believe there are some red flags.
[SPEAKER_03]: I do think this is a big time vote of confidence for conkonipple, like this is them saying the conkonipple, in addition to being a great shooter, a better than expected kind of playmaker, that they believe he can be a franchise guy, because lamella ball,
[SPEAKER_03]: was their franchise player, Brandon Miller's a good player, but Lemmele Ball was their franchise guy.
[SPEAKER_03]: Like, do you see this as an investment in Con-Caniple?
[SPEAKER_03]: And do you think that Con-Caniple can be that guy?
[SPEAKER_03]: Do you think that over the next couple of years, his skill set is the kind of skill set that's going to diversify, branch out, make him a dominant number one guy.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I definitely think so because when it comes down to it, you kind of remove the identity of what the franchise is.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's not so bad that like the mellow is trying to harm the spotlight.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's just people's presence and, you know, the history of what's going on and the relationships that you have can affect kind of...
[SPEAKER_00]: Who's the Alpha?
[SPEAKER_00]: Who's the head guy?
[SPEAKER_00]: I believe what kind did the season with, you know, Lee and Lee and three pointers being able to, you know, surpass all our expectations and show that he's just a strictly a baller.
[SPEAKER_00]: You know what I mean?
[SPEAKER_00]: He plays a old school brand of basketball.
[SPEAKER_00]: He plays a tough brand of basketball and I feel like so he's one of those guys, the more experience with more, you know, leverage more leeway.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like you've only seen him back in college and the ACC tournament.
[SPEAKER_00]: Cooper Flax set out.
[SPEAKER_00]: He led Duke to an ACC championship and was
[SPEAKER_00]: So I believe it's a great vote of confidence towards him.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think some re-signing Kobe White to that good deal.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's also great because it's like Kobe's been known as a score or shooter.
[SPEAKER_00]: And he's not going to have the same type of numbers as a mellow, but you're not going to drop in that atmosphere when it comes down and being like, hey, make sure you get 18 points and you distribute.
[SPEAKER_00]: Distribute to Connie, distribute to, you know, Miller as well.
[SPEAKER_00]: But I'm into it.
[SPEAKER_00]: I like it.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think over next couple of years with these picks, they'll give them space to be able to build the right type of team around them and have the right type of identity.
[SPEAKER_00]: And it didn't really lose much.
[SPEAKER_00]: Even when all this firepower this year, they still...
[SPEAKER_00]: had once again had a playing exit, you know what I mean?
[SPEAKER_00]: So they were able to be like, hey, we realistically probably Pete.
[SPEAKER_00]: When we can turn this corner, we will turn this corner, but then we also got picks to go along with it.
[SPEAKER_00]: But I also love a situation for Minnesota as well, because they're even more deep.
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, so the mellow can play 27 or 28 minutes and he won't have to rely on him like they need to rely on him to change the tie and Charlotte.
[SPEAKER_00]: So, you know, and Minnesota, they got a new A.O.
[SPEAKER_00]: Decimal who can play combo guard and backup.
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know when Dante D.D.
[SPEAKER_00]: and Shinzo comes back, they'll definitely be great as well.
[SPEAKER_00]: But I think this worked out both for, you know, the
[SPEAKER_00]: for both organizations I believe kind is going to step up in a major way, but he'll also have time and develop because, you know, if you make it to the first round, that's a success in this, in this field, you know?
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, um, I think getting Kobe White back on that new deal is definitely a big part of all this, like they stole him from Chicago last year.
[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, Chicago was just trying to unload contracts, clean their books up and the
[SPEAKER_03]: If he turns out to be able to be a better than serviceable point guard, a guy that can make shots, distribute, then this could work out pretty well for Charlotte because they're getting him on a cheap deal, three or seventy four million dollars.
[SPEAKER_03]: That's reasonable for today's market for a starting point guard.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, the fear I would think in Charlotte is that lamello playing alongside Anthony Edwards figures out his health issues winds up playing 33 34 minutes per game stays on the court for 65 70 games and looks like the dynamic player that he has looked like at times with with Charlotte.
[SPEAKER_00]: So what is kind of a role to dice up Minnesota not to cut it off, but also my father coming up, but also to I think players play better when they're happy like shout out to Charlotte and trying to build a culture, but I think part of the mellows.
[SPEAKER_00]: You know restrictions or resistance was the culture like when you look the mellow's going to be able to show up being Brace and be exactly who he is like you understand I'm saying and I feel as though when it comes down to you You're not trying to make him like a prophet or a priest you're just like bro, I'm sure your healthy Make sure you get your work done and make sure you perform and so are we care about and I feel as though that
[SPEAKER_00]: Half the conversations coming from Charlotte already past few years was like, yo, what type of person is a kid who never got in trouble is, you know what I mean?
[SPEAKER_03]: Lamello is going to love driving that green Lamborghini on the icy slip streets in the atmosphere.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, the fact that there is like a trending like viral moment when they're like yo, the mellows back drive and he's back on the streets.
[SPEAKER_00]: Stay out the way was abs like people were like tweeting like yo, he's back on the streets everybody be safe.
[SPEAKER_00]: That was psycho.
[SPEAKER_00]: Maybe you should have traded nationally.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think that was, that made some more sits in the long run, and I think about it.
[SPEAKER_00]: You don't want to kill like a hundred people daily.
[SPEAKER_03]: That's, that's a lot.
[SPEAKER_03]: But that Minnesota, that Minnesota ice is real, you know, take, take car services out there.
[SPEAKER_03]: Don't, don't be, don't be driving around Minneapolis, Minnesota, wherever, in those kind of cars.
[SPEAKER_03]: One thought on the temperals,
[SPEAKER_03]: like they're clearly needed a point guard.
[SPEAKER_03]: They have been desperate for a point guard even before the Deven Chenzo injury and I know we are all hoping that Deven Chenzo has a Jason Tatum like recovery but the reality is injuries like this are often a year or more.
[SPEAKER_03]: That's kind of the way it is and you have to approach it that way.
[SPEAKER_03]: If you're the timber was you can't be hoping that even Chenzu was back nine months after having this surgery my calmly We love him not Not going to be your starting point guard for 30 some more minutes again.
[SPEAKER_03]: They needed somebody in that spot So when LaMella ball became available this was the only team I thought was gonna go all in form like we're gonna get to Miami And how they went all in for Yannas
[SPEAKER_03]: I was sure that Minnesota was going to go all in for La Mello for all those reasons.
[SPEAKER_03]: Now, did they get better?
[SPEAKER_03]: I think that's a reasonable question to ask because their back court is clearly better.
[SPEAKER_03]: La Mello, Anthony Edwards, those are two young, just approaching their prime franchise type guards.
[SPEAKER_03]: But the front court,
[SPEAKER_03]: is significantly smaller and they play in a conference where the front court needs to be big if you're going to compete against these top teams.
[SPEAKER_03]: Not only is Nasrid gone, but Julius Randall is gone.
[SPEAKER_03]: Probably in the same deal, they'll probably wind up putting them all together and make the money work.
[SPEAKER_03]: So you just lost your starting power forward.
[SPEAKER_03]: You're back up power forward slash setter.
[SPEAKER_03]: You've got, if they're looking at their depth chart right now, you've got
[SPEAKER_03]: you've got aodesomu starting at small forward.
[SPEAKER_03]: You've got, uh, you want barringer coming off the bench.
[SPEAKER_03]: That's a sure about that.
[SPEAKER_03]: Kyle Anderson is listed as the backup power forward right now.
[SPEAKER_03]: This team has got no muscle on that front line and that's a problem, Evan.
[SPEAKER_03]: especially in the west like okay let's go line up with Denver with just Rudy go bear let's go line up against Oklahoma City or San Antonio with Rudy go bear at a bunch of guys like six nine and stringy like they're gonna have to find a way to get some muscle in that front core I'm not sure where they turn like they don't want to trade these rest these guys like Jaden McDaniels is a stud and he's you know and Edwards one of his closest friends you know to
[SPEAKER_03]: Like has Rudy go bare ever been more important.
[SPEAKER_03]: Like they need Rudy go bare for all 82 Like he's gonna play all 82 and give him 35 minutes per game and he's Kind of old now is it was mid 30s at this point.
[SPEAKER_03]: I that that's a concern to me like how much Where are they gonna find the front court depth to match up with these bigger teams in the west?
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, you're definitely right about that Especially when it comes down to play off situation anchoring The interior is as important as anything
[SPEAKER_00]: Um, there's some guys on a free agent plaque that might work.
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, everybody keeps screaming Mitchell Robinson at the next.
[SPEAKER_00]: They're going to reside on my think.
[SPEAKER_03]: I would say this.
[SPEAKER_03]: Let me say this about Robinson and I think he might be an option for them.
[SPEAKER_03]: But well, no, I don't think he is because he makes, he's going to make more money.
[SPEAKER_03]: But somebody multiple people have actually told me that you get a good look at Mitchell Robinson's medicals.
[SPEAKER_03]: you get a little worried about Mitchell Robinson.
[SPEAKER_03]: That's another guy that they've had to kind of duct tape together to play for as long as he's played.
[SPEAKER_03]: He's dealing with these ankle injuries over the years.
[SPEAKER_03]: He's someone that I think is is concerning medically for any team that tries to sign him.
[SPEAKER_00]: and that's a valid point.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think just when it comes down to it, you just have to really want your life first hit, go at free agency, and try to find the biggest bruiser you can possibly find.
[SPEAKER_00]: What's tough right now, I would say, everybody I'm thinking of is either injury prone or old.
[SPEAKER_00]: I would go the spurs route and be like, hey, go get me some plumbly and go get
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, Luke Kornet, whatever, but there's no space to really do that.
[SPEAKER_00]: And, but I think you definitely need to load up on bruisers and figure out a way to find out some type of, some type of interior paint or interior, uh, defensive wings that can really protect and do the dirty work for the star studded back court because no matter what, when it comes down to it, you're going to have to make sure you protect them.
[SPEAKER_00]: protect their legs and for, you know, make sure you set the tone in different ways about air adding the scoring and adding all the other stuff.
[SPEAKER_00]: But you can't forget what Terran Shannon Jr. is able to do.
[SPEAKER_00]: He's physically, you know, impressive.
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know if he'll be able to play the foreman.
[SPEAKER_00]: But right now, it's like it's going to be a whole bunch of small ball line up and trying to hit, you know, hit and 90 hit, you know.
[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, the spurs,
[SPEAKER_03]: they're the team, they've got the guy you try to get bigs to match up against.
[SPEAKER_03]: And on draft night, they're drafting all the bigs.
[SPEAKER_03]: Like they're just, they're trying to call these potential bigs away from, they draft Jaden Quintons out of Kentucky.
[SPEAKER_03]: They make a deal to get Tarris Reed out of UConn, like they're just blocking.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's like, in Oklahoma City was doing the same thing.
[SPEAKER_03]: Like they're drafting bigs as well.
[SPEAKER_03]: Like these are teams, smart teams, the championship teams that,
[SPEAKER_03]: No, you need bigs to win this conference.
[SPEAKER_03]: And meanwhile, Minnesota is going the other direction.
[SPEAKER_03]: Look, I understand the swing because you couldn't go into the season with my colleagues.
[SPEAKER_03]: You're starting point cards.
[SPEAKER_03]: You didn't, it wasn't going to work.
[SPEAKER_03]: It wasn't feasible.
[SPEAKER_03]: And you do got to worry about Edwards looking around going, what happened to all my stars.
[SPEAKER_03]: Like I just watched cat win a championship in New York.
[SPEAKER_03]: Maybe Minnesota isn't where I need to be.
[SPEAKER_03]: So you've got to be wary of that.
[SPEAKER_03]: I think this move was in part because of that.
[SPEAKER_03]: I don't look at this deal as saying it made the timber wolves measureably better.
[SPEAKER_03]: I think their front line is going to be a problem for them all season long.
[SPEAKER_03]: Let's talk about the Celtics here, which is getting more interesting by the day.
[SPEAKER_03]: As we know, last week, the Celtics, or I guess this week still, the Celtics were aggressively in the mix to chase Yannis tend to compete.
[SPEAKER_03]: They wound up losing the Yannis sweep sticks to the mimey heat, which were just
[SPEAKER_03]: all in on yonis they were horny for yonis man like they were just try to get the hands on this guy will do whatever that it took to do it now the Celtics they were left with the bag really like they were left with everybody including jalen brown having the knowledge that they tried to trade jalen brown and two first round picks to go and get uh... yonis uh... since then
[SPEAKER_03]: We have seen a flurry of reporting, including some of my own, that says that the Celtics are continuing to have conversations about jail and brown and a potential trade.
[SPEAKER_03]: Evan, we have seen the Celtics explore jail and brown trades in the past.
[SPEAKER_03]: But this one feels different.
[SPEAKER_03]: Like this situation feels different.
[SPEAKER_03]: Let's start here.
[SPEAKER_03]: Do you think that we've reached the point of no return with Jalen Brown and the Celtics where they almost have to trade him because of the way where the relationship is gone?
[SPEAKER_00]: I think it's like, I'm 80% of like, you don't have to do it because the conversation has been up so much.
[SPEAKER_00]: And like I said, I think it was like it's for a time in trying to trade them in the past few years.
[SPEAKER_03]: So let's go through the list, right?
[SPEAKER_03]: Because, well, I mean, you can add the fact that on draft night in 2016, he was booed.
[SPEAKER_03]: His draft thing was booed because fans thought like Chris Dunn was a better pick or they should trade the deal for Jimmy Butler.
[SPEAKER_03]: uh... i believe around around circa two thousand eighteen uh... eighteen nineteen they were trying to acquire kawai Leonard that would have taken jaylon brown then it was the anti-davis that would have taken jaylon brown twenty twenty two cavern darrant that would have taken jaylon brown so yes really since he was a second or third year player they have been exploring deals for jaylon brown
[SPEAKER_00]: I think something as little as they know each other and having a conversation and being like, hey, Brad came out the other day and was like, oh, this is a tough conversation to have.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's never fun for this to be involved, but it's part of the game part of the business.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think I think.
[SPEAKER_00]: outside looking in there just a little bit i know i think brat jaylin and brat have a lot of respect for each other so as least insultness it could be i think brat might have that leeway even know it's not the most ideal maybe i'm soft on brat but i just think
[SPEAKER_00]: When you sit there, it's like, man, we had to.
[SPEAKER_00]: Or like, when it comes down to trading, it's like, hey, bro, we can't do this trade unless you're involved.
[SPEAKER_00]: We can't do any trade unless you're involved.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like, if we could, I know how much Brad respects jail and it's like, I wouldn't try to trade them at all, but you're such a great basketball player.
[SPEAKER_00]: And you're one of best players in the league.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's just how it goes.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think the only way that you can really bounce back is being honest, having that conversation
[SPEAKER_00]: Reckonize and a player you asked if you do have and then what was what it able to do get my extension for two years 140 million?
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, got three years left on his contract.
[SPEAKER_03]: They can extend it for two years at about 70 ish million per year.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, so I mean
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, Jaylen's still, you know, a kid from the hood, man, pay for his pain, call it and call it that.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think that's the only real way, but at the same time, when we remove ourselves, even when they were doing the ionist trade in general, I think they were able to give up pick a player in two picks and they weren't going to give up more, but it's like, hey, we're already giving you Jaylen Brown.
[SPEAKER_00]: Jaylen next five years, arguably,
[SPEAKER_00]: could be better than an alien highness next five years.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like the way that the guy plays isn't going to age well.
[SPEAKER_00]: The miles that he put on his wheels is crazy because he goes to war out there.
[SPEAKER_00]: You understand I'm saying now you have a bunch of soft tissue injuries.
[SPEAKER_00]: He's been hurt half the time.
[SPEAKER_00]: You have to have a specific team to play around.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's just so much you have to do and order you have a successful Yanish Run.
[SPEAKER_00]: People forget during those bucks, 10 years, Drew Haude, it was arguably a top 20 player in a league that wasn't talked about.
[SPEAKER_00]: Chris Middleton was all started, wasn't talked about.
[SPEAKER_00]: Pat Kahnington, Bobby Porter's, they had great coaching, like, the others were elite, so Yanish could be great.
[SPEAKER_00]: You know what I mean?
[SPEAKER_00]: Because even years prior to that, he was struggling with Toronto getting 12 points.
[SPEAKER_00]: in certain series.
[SPEAKER_00]: So I believe when it comes down to it, you have to comprehend how great it is, but at the same time, they're like, yo, we wouldn't want to go anywhere else in this sense, but having Jalen Brown, you arguably have a top 10 player to go along with a top 5 player.
[SPEAKER_00]: I never thought adding youngness would make the searches better, even though I can't comprehend what youngness was able to do.
[SPEAKER_00]: But
[SPEAKER_00]: Now, I believe the South has got all the easy on this one.
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know where Yannets are being these next three years, just based on how this game has an age.
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, and it's only so much bully ball you can do.
[SPEAKER_00]: And now you see the ties are turning, and it's like, well, this Yannets S type of game being able to mold against the San Antonio spurs, the okay seat vendor, even if Detroit Pistons get one more piece.
[SPEAKER_00]: what it be legit.
[SPEAKER_00]: So I never, I was never a bit fan of trade in jailing for Zionist, because I believe James next three or four years are elite.
[SPEAKER_03]: You know, I thought there would be some room for jailing to come back before that Brad Stevens press conference.
[SPEAKER_03]: after, I don't know, like Brad Stevens at that press conference had several opportunities to shut down any further Jalen Brown trade talk and he did everything humanly possible.
[SPEAKER_03]: He twisted himself into a verbal pretzel.
[SPEAKER_03]: To not give a soundbite to not commit to anything saying we love Jalen, but you never know you can't promise anything.
[SPEAKER_03]: All all the the phrases that he used to avoid any kind of specific soundbite except to say that he did still believe that Jalen and Jason could win a championship as a duo together in Boston.
[SPEAKER_03]: So but listening to that press or Evan that
[SPEAKER_03]: that told me that we are far, far from over with this jail and brown stuff.
[SPEAKER_03]: And in the past, once, why wasn't there, we were done.
[SPEAKER_03]: Once Anthony Davis wasn't there, we were done.
[SPEAKER_03]: Once Kevin Durant wasn't there.
[SPEAKER_03]: We were done.
[SPEAKER_03]: In the past, they were zeroed in,
[SPEAKER_03]: on one guy, and they look, you got to give something to get some, but so they knew that I have to give up Jalen Brown to go and get that one guy.
[SPEAKER_03]: Now, as we record this on Friday morning, ESPN reporting the Celtics are asking for four first round draft picks in exchange for Jalen Brown, that tells me that they are motivated to move him.
[SPEAKER_03]: That tells me that they're trying to do this, even if it's
[SPEAKER_03]: for draft capital and not a player of equal or close to equal type of value.
[SPEAKER_03]: So let me ask you this question, like, what do you make of that?
[SPEAKER_03]: Like, this is now graduated from, let's see if we can get yannas to we're trying to offload Jalen Brown, like, you were there for a long time as a player, as a coach, you're close to Jason Tatum, like you know the organization, like, what, why?
[SPEAKER_03]: Why did they seem so eager to offload Jalen Brown after he's submitted the best year of his career, all NBA second team, 6th and MVP voting, elite in every possible way, drag this team to 56 wins, this team's stunk, I'm sorry, they stunk, they went to the season like 40 wins, I thought would have been success, they won 56 and that was largely due to the greatness of Jalen Brown, why do you think?
[SPEAKER_03]: that they are turning around now and doing everything it seems possible to find a deal for him.
[SPEAKER_00]: I just think, probably, I think connection, you probably think connection probably peaked, you know?
[SPEAKER_00]: They're like, we're good, but they were not good enough to win a championship with this team.
[SPEAKER_00]: They were not good enough to go into the future without a... We just did though, two years ago.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, but two years.
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, but they had the highest paid team on Earth, and it literally was like six killers.
[SPEAKER_00]: It wasn't your little cousin, Baylor Shireman, and whoever else he brought with him.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like, you're like, you're like, I, I hear what Stan, I'm saying.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think that is one realistic thing in being like, hey, we might not be good enough to give two guys 140 and then ride their backs and we need more players and Brass a big time thinker everybody else is getting draft capital and trying to load up and see what's happening next.
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know if there's a 16 year old flowing around that he has the, you know, the hots for, but I think when you can do it, you have to do it.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's either spending 140 and make Jalen even richer or try to put yourself in better position when you know, Tatum's even more on his feet and build a deeper and better team.
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, I think it's an orange race when it comes down to,
[SPEAKER_00]: how good you have to be to compete with a championship, your top eight ass of eat thorough.
[SPEAKER_00]: We are interchanged in our top eight after our top three.
[SPEAKER_00]: And one of our top three's was on the bench, you know what I mean?
[SPEAKER_00]: So I think that's one of those situations.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think too as well, you have to put the gun in.
[SPEAKER_00]: Jacob and Brown's laughing be like, hey, do you want to be on your own as well?
[SPEAKER_00]: He's previewed it.
[SPEAKER_00]: He said it numerous times.
[SPEAKER_00]: He's hinting at it, and sometimes it might be like, hey, he's showing improved.
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, on the top six top five player, I'm one of the most elite dudes I want my own situation.
[SPEAKER_00]: They've been dancing around it for forever.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's not bad to be like, hey, we're, Brad can literally sit there, but I hate his guys ready to take over and figure out what ever is going on and we can get something back.
[SPEAKER_00]: You're asking a team for four first round draft picks, it's like I'm sending you a killer.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm sending you a dog.
[SPEAKER_00]: like this is Jalen Brown now.
[SPEAKER_00]: So we need to to assert it's thin.
[SPEAKER_00]: You have to get on brass, but about trading him, but at what he's asking for is like I'm sending you one of the best players in the world for the next decade.
[SPEAKER_00]: So I feel what that's coming from.
[SPEAKER_00]: I totally comprehend it.
[SPEAKER_00]: I also understand like no, but we weren't giving up morning that for
[SPEAKER_00]: Fucking yawness like we would still have to go get more players like you understand I'm saying like We're underestimating it's is there this is disrespectful I guess when you're trying to cheat trade jaylon brown But it's also disrespectful and the sense of like not paying attention to the wise and the actions for it as well We're right we're looking for four or five first round picks you down to trading jaylon brown for almost A quarter billion dollars like you know what I mean in for the future so
[SPEAKER_00]: it's far worse things than being traded and getting moving from the shadows and getting your spotlight going in.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I just believe when they bounce back from it, it's pros force, right?
[SPEAKER_00]: And I believe that Jalen's in a good situation itself just aren't wrong for trying to build towards the future because they have to get better.
[SPEAKER_00]: Our big men right now is Luka Garza and shout out to Nina's Keta because I love him and death.
[SPEAKER_02]: and maybe go get bootstack.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like we literally went and the NBA won the best leagues in the world.
[SPEAKER_00]: We split the center in position of 23 big men.
[SPEAKER_00]: We're supposed to be in a prime and air career.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like, and scary and just discussing J.L.
[SPEAKER_00]: and Brown.
[SPEAKER_00]: Jason Tate on when he gets healthy, we never talked about this, but this numbers are realistically 28, 13 and eight.
[SPEAKER_00]: You know what I mean, like when he's healthy, his numbers are the Brian S. Dominant.
[SPEAKER_00]: So it's about building a team around a guy that can get you over their hurdle on his own in general.
[SPEAKER_00]: So I'm not too bad about it.
[SPEAKER_00]: It just comes down to firepower.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I think we have to take away with the brainer urgency from discussing Jalen Brown and being like, we need players.
[SPEAKER_00]: We did not have enough players this year.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like Derek White is going to be done pretty soon in that situation.
[SPEAKER_00]: We need paying a step up, but we need players.
[SPEAKER_00]: We don't, we pour it syrup on shit and call the pancakes.
[SPEAKER_00]: And we can't, I think that's more alarming than anybody.
[SPEAKER_00]: That anything is next year, even if we get into it, we lost some of the first round to the fucking sixers.
[SPEAKER_00]: like that scary or anything.
[SPEAKER_00]: We didn't have enough firepower to get out of that because we just weren't good enough.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I think that's the scariest part about it all is bringing players, building players and trying to get that going.
[SPEAKER_03]: The front court, the front court is a huge issue.
[SPEAKER_03]: No doubt about it.
[SPEAKER_03]: Whether it's for another front court star or the draft capital that you can turn around and use to get another front court star Whether it's in the off season before the trade deadline.
[SPEAKER_03]: Maybe the next season.
[SPEAKER_03]: Remember they're not to get too deep in the weeds But there are benefits for this team for staying under the aprons This season long-term benefits.
[SPEAKER_03]: There's there's there's just more flexibility if you do that again
[SPEAKER_03]: this year.
[SPEAKER_03]: But then the question is, do you want to potentially waste another Jason Tate a year when he's at his peak and he's playing at the level that he's playing at?
[SPEAKER_03]: The deal that I've been kind of obsessed with and it's been, you know, an educated, more of an educated obsession because I've been hearing this some other people around the league is that is some kind of jail and brown Evan Mobley swap.
[SPEAKER_03]: You know, you're smiling.
[SPEAKER_03]: My case for this is that
[SPEAKER_03]: Evan Mobley is already a really, really good big man.
[SPEAKER_03]: Not great, but a really good big man right now.
[SPEAKER_03]: Former defensive player of the year in consistency has plagued him at times in his tenure in Cleveland.
[SPEAKER_03]: But I also think like you put Evan Mobley in this Joe Mazulah player to develop a machine, big man to develop a machine.
[SPEAKER_03]: You're probably going to see him go back on the upward trajectory and maybe start to reach some of that offensive potential.
[SPEAKER_03]: Similarly with Cleveland,
[SPEAKER_03]: Like the Cavaliers, they can sing all the songs they want about how we took a step forward where the conference finals, they're not there, like they're not there.
[SPEAKER_03]: And I actually think that if you keep in Jared Allen around in Cleveland, you can afford to part ways with Evan Mobley.
[SPEAKER_03]: And I actually think that Jalen Brown makes that team better.
[SPEAKER_03]: than what they'd be with Evan Mobley.
[SPEAKER_03]: Because now you have, in Mitchell and Brown, two dynamic wing scores.
[SPEAKER_03]: You've got Jalen Browns, a multi-positional defender.
[SPEAKER_03]: You've still got James Harden to be kind of like the backup engine there at the point guard position.
[SPEAKER_03]: I think they're more equipped to at least win the Eastern Conference with Jalen Brown than they are with Evan Mobley.
[SPEAKER_03]: People might disagree with me.
[SPEAKER_03]: Many people do, maybe, you do.
[SPEAKER_03]: But I think that's a deal that makes some sense for Cleveland and for Boston.
[SPEAKER_03]: You're not outside of me on this, you're not going to find another big man better than Evan Mobile, who's younger than Jalen Brown, who's got a slightly better contract than Jalen Brown and has the room to maybe continue to develop into one of the best two way bigs in the league.
[SPEAKER_03]: If you're looking at that as a hypothetical, which organization do you think is kind of saying, I don't know about that one.
[SPEAKER_00]: I felt like self-discipline.
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know about that one.
[SPEAKER_00]: I always felt like he wasn't a bigger name of team.
[SPEAKER_00]: I wasn't ready.
[SPEAKER_00]: But even before Clevver and Trader Wade, the Andre Hunter, I always thought there were three man away from being able to really make some noise and make some splash.
[SPEAKER_00]: Even before they got James Harden.
[SPEAKER_00]: So I love Jaylon Brown over that way.
[SPEAKER_00]: You might hate me for this.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think only Joe Mizzou like a probably pull it out of them pause is I think the defense player here in 2024 two time all star all NBA I think I mean mobile we could quite possibly just judge from the motor mentality could a peak
[SPEAKER_03]: That's at what 25 or whatever you think I'm doing shit like I need that.
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean like he's got all the skills all the tools and everything It's like Come on dark like you didn't want to you to all stars you can play it a year when we're praying for you to get 16 and 10
[SPEAKER_00]: And it's a four-fotch and like you know what I mean like that's not only thing that throws me off about Evan Moby it'll be like yo like your defense player you you done all this stuff it's not like it's a developing big like when we're waiting for Andrew Biden on the turn of corner back in the day it's like he's done all this stuff it's almost like when we sit there we're okay see like get rid of chat because I don't understand what the hell you doing you already done it
[SPEAKER_00]: So I don't want to say a young guy is peat, but I'm like, I don't see no more than 18 and 10 for him.
[SPEAKER_00]: He would still be looking for another third guy or hoping paid in their dear flight or going to play it all world level.
[SPEAKER_00]: And my personal opinion, I think Cleaning Deathly does a deal.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think you didn't have the mobile phone and I could be wrong like shoot me in a foot but I love you, Brad, you fuck around and get fired, bro.
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't do that.
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know, man.
[SPEAKER_00]: You're like ever mobile, and you know better than me, I'm just looking at being like, if you can shoot the jumper, you 70, run the floor, block shots, have the capacity to do it.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's like,
[SPEAKER_00]: Why are we waiting for you to get 16 and 10 in this high scoring atmosphere?
[SPEAKER_00]: Do you understand I'm saying?
[SPEAKER_03]: I do.
[SPEAKER_03]: Um, I think we're on the same page that Cleveland makes a lot of sense forward.
[SPEAKER_03]: You get another killer into that lineup.
[SPEAKER_03]: And as much as we're obsessed with bigs, we're only like a year to remove and be obsessed with wings.
[SPEAKER_03]: Like needing to have versatile switchy type of rings and jitter wings and jitter round.
[SPEAKER_03]: can do just that.
[SPEAKER_03]: He's also really tight with Donovan Mitchell.
[SPEAKER_03]: And if you're trying to convince Donovan Mitchell to stay there long term, hey, maybe getting a guy that he's close with who's on a long term contract, who you could also potentially extend that makes a ton of sense, I think, for the Cavaliers.
[SPEAKER_03]: I get that mobile ease a risk because he kind of has this career where he's going
[SPEAKER_03]: up up up then he's flatlining then he's got up a little bit then he's flatlining like two years ago or what was two three years ago now when the final year of J.B. Bickerstatt he kind of flatline.
[SPEAKER_03]: And I think that was part of the reason J.B. Bickerstatt was let go in Cleveland.
[SPEAKER_00]: Err.
[SPEAKER_03]: Kenny Akinson comes in and during that what 66 winces and whatever was he kind of went up a little bit.
[SPEAKER_03]: Like he was shooting 37% from three, he's more facilitator at the top of the key.
[SPEAKER_03]: Like Kenny's always saying he said this to me once, he's like, this guy's our ceiling razor when he's on his game, we are a lot better as a team.
[SPEAKER_03]: But this year, he definitely kind of went back to that straight line where he wasn't getting any better.
[SPEAKER_03]: And in some ways he was getting worse, he was sub 30% from three this year.
[SPEAKER_03]: But he is
[SPEAKER_03]: just 25 years old and the defense is there.
[SPEAKER_03]: And I think the offense can be there.
[SPEAKER_03]: I think there is a corner three point shooter that can be a knockdown guy.
[SPEAKER_03]: I think there is a better low post presence than he shown this point is career.
[SPEAKER_03]: I think there is room to grow there.
[SPEAKER_03]: And with him at 25, Tatum at what 27, 28, like,
[SPEAKER_03]: I like that as a deal if you're going to do a Jalen Brown deal to me that's the best player you're probably going to get back and it fits the positional need that you've been looking for in these trade talks.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm not against it.
[SPEAKER_00]: You're absolutely right.
[SPEAKER_00]: We're just still looking for two more pieces.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's it.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like, no matter, I feel like inconsistency, and this is coming somebody who knows that's identity, and that's part of your skill set.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like, you understand, like, and I'm just comparing to all these other dudes that can just wake up and kill.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's like, there's 82 games.
[SPEAKER_00]: We're only getting 47 out of you.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's a flaw, but you know what I mean?
[SPEAKER_00]: And you're 25, and I'm just reiterating like, every single year, we have to check and revitalize Evan Moby.
[SPEAKER_00]: And when you're trying to make a run, especially during playoff time, and it's like how much skill sets you have, like he should have been killed as a third option, fourth option, like not even saying that just like you had so many weapons in that Kini Accace and offense,
[SPEAKER_00]: I believe Brad was still at the keep working more and find him one more piece or trying to go get Drew Howdy back, but he still be one piece away.
[SPEAKER_00]: He would be the third option of big three and we're still missing the second.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's all I'm saying.
[SPEAKER_00]: It would be legit.
[SPEAKER_00]: It would be a bill towards the future and you have to comprehend that, but you would have to hope one of those guys develop or somebody signs there or somebody comes over
[SPEAKER_00]: you know, ratings buckets are six man buckets are thorough, but they're even better when they're
[SPEAKER_00]: in complimentary of somebody else.
[SPEAKER_00]: Derek White is elite, but those buckets are also QC when it's in complimentary of somebody else.
[SPEAKER_00]: So you coming out and being like, damn we need 27 from Derek White, you are in trouble.
[SPEAKER_00]: You know what I mean?
[SPEAKER_00]: As when he's dangerous, he's the best third man in the world.
[SPEAKER_00]: He's the best fourth man in the world.
[SPEAKER_00]: And we're talking about the championship from back in 2024.
[SPEAKER_00]: That was just a loaded team.
[SPEAKER_00]: And we're complete opposite of loaded.
[SPEAKER_00]: The game 7 versus 6 is,
[SPEAKER_00]: And he should have suited up and been like y'all brought just give me let me switch the five man and just kick it to me in a corner like that's how how much we added this advantage versus lowly sixers we made the six is really they want to champion ship and it's just like yo months again y'all don't make a pass a second week of the playoffs ever you know
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I don't disagree that it doesn't solve all the problems.
[SPEAKER_03]: I think it's just the best of a bad situation.
[SPEAKER_03]: Like if you are really going to move off of jail and brown and you want to find the best player that's available.
[SPEAKER_03]: And I'm not saying I have a moment is even really available.
[SPEAKER_03]: But I do think this is a deal that makes sense for both sides.
[SPEAKER_03]: Then this is
[SPEAKER_03]: the best of a shitty situation.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's what you do every day of the week.
[SPEAKER_00]: You make it happen.
[SPEAKER_00]: He believes that Evan Mopu is the right fit for this team.
[SPEAKER_00]: But all, all his shell bow, all my shell clothes when the honorable branskeller brain speaks.
[SPEAKER_00]: So I don't want to go against him too much because he's a, you know, he's a basketball office or not.
[SPEAKER_00]: I just, man, I know what it looked like.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like, that's it, we just, we need a second.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like, you coming here, I'm not,
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm not going to know self this game.
[SPEAKER_00]: He's talking about the dynamic duo Jason Tate.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm going to be pissed.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like, bring back anti-signants.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like, hey, maybe, maybe.
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, but it's not bad.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm going to play broad love, that's a moblet.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's, is it reason why you sunk down to the fourth option?
[SPEAKER_00]: And got the ball as much as Jared Allen with a old, like, James Harrington been popping in years.
[SPEAKER_00]: They're like, you know what James, but we need
[SPEAKER_00]: Can you add this in as an offensive guru and it's like maybe our best situation just put in our one killer and at one end of the court or other killer on the other side and we just keep swinging it back and forth.
[SPEAKER_00]: There has to be a reason.
[SPEAKER_00]: The coach that went to Detroit, he was about to win coach of the year.
[SPEAKER_00]: There's he's not crazy.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like the understanding that not everybody can show up and be like, man, it's shit don't taste good when it comes to pause when it comes down to having them over it.
[SPEAKER_00]: I love having them over the death.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm just like, hey, bro.
[SPEAKER_00]: Let's shut back after all start breaking, we get twin because we're still one away.
[SPEAKER_00]: And y'all gonna be mad because the average 17 and 10 of them, but I brought this, that's what he's done in his whole 17, 10, and he get lucky two and a half blocks.
[SPEAKER_00]: Leave him alone, okay?
[SPEAKER_00]: Like, that's it, like, Chris, you know what I'm talking about, baby?
[SPEAKER_03]: I do, I get your point, I'm gonna see that.
[SPEAKER_00]: And then even just like the swag alone,
[SPEAKER_00]: take, you know, or like, jailing away from your locker room and shout out to Evan Moby, like, you have a flying dude, but I don't get it wrong, but it's just different, but we're gonna lose a lot, like, all around, and just like, the killer, Jalen's a dog, like, say what you want, like, sometimes he doesn't bone his stuff, Jalen's going down, and he's going, they trade off everybody, his right hand, man, blue is the Achilles out.
[SPEAKER_00]: He's playing with the children at the corn, and what does he do?
[SPEAKER_00]: He goes and gets 56 wins.
[SPEAKER_00]: The other thing I'm saying, shout out to all the self is I love the day, it's just like you, man.
[SPEAKER_00]: You, you, you, you train a quarter for a nickel.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I love having mogu, bro.
[SPEAKER_00]: I know them contracts match up, but got no.
[SPEAKER_00]: It ain't the same.
[SPEAKER_00]: If y'all want somebody to get a bad 17 and 10, I could do it, but don't go do it.
[SPEAKER_00]: No, no.
[SPEAKER_00]: Chris, we could do it.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like we, like just just get that out on three big man and then shit.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like, but don't, I'm not far cut that, but don't do that.
[SPEAKER_00]: Don't do that.
[SPEAKER_03]: if any listeners out there wants to make us a graphic of the Celtics rule players as the children of the corn.
[SPEAKER_03]: I'm here for it.
[SPEAKER_00]: No, and I hate it because I was a role player in a Celtic role player.
[SPEAKER_00]: So don't tell us, I know you, but God damn, I know you're off.
[SPEAKER_00]: If I was a role player, I might don't do that shit.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like they want to we going to do.
[SPEAKER_00]: But what Jalen is supposed to do?
[SPEAKER_00]: Like shout out to Baylor and number that I know they can make up for 28 over across six people.
[SPEAKER_00]: Don't, don't click that in neither.
[SPEAKER_00]: Isn't that an, and I love Bayer Shire, man, but that's what we're talking about.
[SPEAKER_00]: Javing Brown and adding them over.
[SPEAKER_03]: I know, I'm with you there.
[SPEAKER_03]: All right, last thing I want to hit you on is the Milwaukee, are the Miami Heat, rather, who have now taken them a Milwaukee box, best player in the Austin, the Kumpo.
[SPEAKER_03]: And now that the celebration is kind of settled down in Miami, it's time to take kind of a objective look at what we've got here.
[SPEAKER_03]: You've got Bametabio and Yostan the Kumpo in the front card.
[SPEAKER_03]: Cool front card as I look at this depth chart.
[SPEAKER_03]: Then you go in down.
[SPEAKER_03]: You get Andrew Wiggins who they're going to bring back some way somehow at small forward.
[SPEAKER_03]: Norman Powell, where they're going to try to bring back at the two guard, Davian Mitchell, is penciled in as the starting point guard.
[SPEAKER_03]: The bench, Drew Smith, Ryan Conwell, Pelarson, Bobby Portis backing up multiple positions in that front court.
[SPEAKER_03]: And that's kind of it.
[SPEAKER_03]: Simone Fontecio is still there.
[SPEAKER_03]: Nicole Yovitch is still there if they still like him.
[SPEAKER_03]: Um, when you look at this Miami roster, now that Yannis is on it, where would you place them in the, the hierarchy of the Eastern Conference?
[SPEAKER_00]: The game before the play and probably, right, I just don't, I just don't, I just don't see them having the firepower offensively.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think defensively they'd be great.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think, you know, Dave and Mitch will be better coming off the bench for,
[SPEAKER_00]: or point guard with a little bit of a possessed.
[SPEAKER_00]: I love Norman Powell's game.
[SPEAKER_00]: I believe Andrew Wiggins and both Norman Powell had played well in some difficult over the past couple years to show that they can make it impact.
[SPEAKER_00]: But you have to rely on, I know he loved Kelly Larson, you have to rely on Kelly Larson being able to develop.
[SPEAKER_00]: I know he got the new point guard and, you know, kind well or whatever, but
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't, I didn't really see, I thought to give up too much, you know, I think losing Tyler here or just being able to get 23 points and six assists was an insurance card from considering a fact that like they were kind of playing with more so force than Vanessa already's past couple of years.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like I said, you gotta have a unique team to play around Yanis in order for Yanis to be great.
[SPEAKER_00]: You almost have to have a four out one in.
[SPEAKER_00]: I know Bam and a bio has developed this corner three point.
[SPEAKER_00]: He's been able to space the four over the past couple years, but
[SPEAKER_00]: In order to have his championship aspirations, you got to have that Milwaukee bucks team from back in the day was a very great team, due to the fact that they play air-free basketball with yawness.
[SPEAKER_00]: You had to damn their shooter when he passed it to you and make the right type of plays in that situation.
[SPEAKER_00]: I just don't see them, I don't see them making them.
[SPEAKER_00]: crazy splash.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think if they ran into Detroit or ran into a team like Orlando where matchups matter, we thought Detroit or Orlando it would be a far off series but they went seven games because like boxing matchup matters and you have a team that can meet you at that type of physicality and hit you just as hard or hit you first.
[SPEAKER_00]: Now it really makes you rely on the last thing that matters which is skill set and who's better, who's the best player and I think
[SPEAKER_00]: And those moments you don't have a cake, cutting him and gets you over the top with the IQ, the ball handling and the be able to kill you from three levels of the floor.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yannis is great.
[SPEAKER_00]: I could probably be forgetting the greatness of Yannis.
[SPEAKER_00]: I just don't see that bully ball shit happen with another bully in a paint.
[SPEAKER_03]: I think they have the potential to be in a leaked defensive team, like you said, BAM is one of the best defensive bigs in the NBA.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yannis, one of the best defensive bigs in the NBA, Davey and Mitchell, one of the better defensive guards in the NBA, Wiggins can still give you some decent defensive.
[SPEAKER_03]: Hey, Doran Powell, the Clipper's defense, at least early last season, collapsed without him as part of that rotation.
[SPEAKER_03]: So
[SPEAKER_03]: I think they can be a really stingy defense, but I agree with you, where is the offense coming from?
[SPEAKER_03]: Where is the shooting coming from?
[SPEAKER_03]: Bametabio shot 32% from 3 last year.
[SPEAKER_03]: Y'all have been to Kumpo shot like 33, but last like 4 years, he is just a band in the shot.
[SPEAKER_03]: He's average like 1-3 per game over the last 4 seasons.
[SPEAKER_03]: He's just not even trying anymore, you know, a lot of guys you see their game evolve like they expand it They go beyond the three point line.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's like in 2022 Yannis has said screw it.
[SPEAKER_03]: I'm just gonna be me and not be a perimeter shooter So you've got two bigs Neither of which are Three point threats.
[SPEAKER_03]: David Mitchell is not not a three point threat.
[SPEAKER_03]: Powell is wiggins.
[SPEAKER_03]: I guess can be
[SPEAKER_03]: But you're going to see teams defend this team like they're, I mean, this is going to be a shell in that pain.
[SPEAKER_03]: You're going to have a tough time penetrating that shell.
[SPEAKER_03]: If you're Janis or Bam, let's somebody out there is creating offense.
[SPEAKER_03]: That is going to be an enormous challenge for Eric Spulstritt.
[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, obviously, the offense they ran last year, whatever the hell that was.
[SPEAKER_03]: They're going to throw that one out the door and come up with something new.
[SPEAKER_03]: But
[SPEAKER_03]: That you don't you you can't build a robust offense in the NBA without spacing and they don't have it like they just don't have it So I don't know maybe some of these bench guys will step up become the first bases that they need but I right now I don't see it right now.
[SPEAKER_03]: I've still got them behind the next obviously behind the pistons Might even behind having find the magic think the coaching change in Orlando is gonna make that team Significantly better Philadelphia will see what happens with felt and be knock on wood is is healthy
[SPEAKER_03]: I think they're kind of a middle-of-the-pack team right now going into next season.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and I just think they're one step.
[SPEAKER_00]: They still have to make more more more more more trays of dead lines trying to get stronger at the uh, you know, and yeah, but with what?
[SPEAKER_03]: With what?
[SPEAKER_03]: They give it all away.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, no, you're absolutely right.
[SPEAKER_00]: Nothing.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like, even if you brought the guy Drew, it's like where he's been hurt the past three or four years.
[SPEAKER_00]: You know what I'm saying?
[SPEAKER_00]: Like, in and out the health, the health has been great.
[SPEAKER_00]: You have to rely a lot on your bench players, so you see, I mean, thank you about how many I guess, Tyler, like, this would have been a great team with the others.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like, that's why I give Brad Stevens credit, because it's like, bro, I can't give you all these, anything, because what else will we have?
[SPEAKER_00]: There's two rich guys that probably eventually quit halfway through the season, because our team sucks.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I mean, these deals,
[SPEAKER_03]: Historically, or at least in recent history, they very rarely work.
[SPEAKER_03]: Like, when Brooklyn went all in for Pearson Garnett, that didn't work.
[SPEAKER_03]: You know, more recently, when the Clippers went all in for, for to get Paul George, that didn't work.
[SPEAKER_03]: More often than not, you're setting up the team you traded with, with the foundation for what's going to make them a contender for five years from now.
[SPEAKER_03]: And it may be, look, I think the players, they gave to the walk your good, but not great.
[SPEAKER_03]: Hakez kind of is what he is.
[SPEAKER_03]: He's probably a good fourth or fifth option, sixth man type of guy.
[SPEAKER_03]: I actually think y'all can show nish the point guard is gonna be pretty good.
[SPEAKER_03]: I like to do that.
[SPEAKER_03]: I like to do not illinois.
[SPEAKER_03]: I like him a lot.
[SPEAKER_03]: I think you give him the ball for 30 somewhat minutes of game.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's gonna be a lot of fun to watch for sure.
[SPEAKER_03]: And the draft picks are down the line.
[SPEAKER_03]: They're in the 2030s, so we'll see what happens with them.
[SPEAKER_03]: I just...
[SPEAKER_03]: I get why Milwaukee did it.
[SPEAKER_03]: Pat Riley ain't getting any younger.
[SPEAKER_03]: They want to be relevant.
[SPEAKER_03]: They want to be in the mix.
[SPEAKER_03]: This is how Miami does their business, but I lest they're able to pull some rabbits out of their hats with shooting, getting guys to sign their floor spacers, guys that can play because we're going to start doing that thing we do with like,
[SPEAKER_03]: teams like this where it's like they get a guy on the free agent market for like a million bucks and we're like wow how was that guy available for like $1.5 million and then in January we're like oh yeah that's why that guy was available for $1.5 million dollars like that's that's always how it happens with teams that are built like this and the worst case scenario is that Janice can't stay on the court on the court and your sink even further and giving away
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I just think this is short-sighted situation, shout out to Pat Riley.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think this is a legacy move.
[SPEAKER_00]: I brought Yarnas to, you know what I mean?
[SPEAKER_00]: I brought Yarnas to me, Yanny.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like we said, he wanted to come down to contracts.
[SPEAKER_00]: When you do these trays and guys sign for Max's, like you said, it's so hard to be able to make it work because there's no money left to go get real talent.
[SPEAKER_00]: We look here now, like, I want to be shopping.
[SPEAKER_00]: Milwaukee got in Miami next year.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like, you know what I mean?
[SPEAKER_00]: Like, just off-light the play, they have a better, and I won't go that far, but overall, a better skill set team.
[SPEAKER_00]: But,
[SPEAKER_00]: I just don't know how they're going to put the ball on the basket.
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know unless they just play stingy stingy defense and you know turn it into a half-hort game.
[SPEAKER_00]: The whole night is going to be a long year, especially when your two-top players aren't, I guess, I'm a point guard junkie, like I'm a guard junkie.
[SPEAKER_00]: So when we're sitting still on this like, hey, your best playmakers are going to be two, six, 11 individuals that started dribbling six years ago.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's crazy.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yep, I agree, it's certainly be interesting to watch, that's for sure.
[SPEAKER_03]: All right, E.T.
[SPEAKER_03]: Good stuff, man.
[SPEAKER_03]: I look forward to your text on, uh, fight night, boots, Ziya's good to give you.
[SPEAKER_00]: I got Ziya's, man.
[SPEAKER_03]: You got Ziya's.
[SPEAKER_03]: Oh, I need to show you.
[SPEAKER_00]: All I think I'll say is, uh, Ziya's look bigger than, than boots.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, Ziya's is and everything.
[SPEAKER_03]: Speed, skills, power.
[SPEAKER_03]: A lot of things, really bad.
[SPEAKER_03]: Good, bro.
[SPEAKER_03]: Oh, we'll have this conversation offline.
[SPEAKER_03]: I don't think anybody needs any more boxing conversation.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's good.
[SPEAKER_03]: Our podcast, D.T.
[SPEAKER_03]: Alright.
[SPEAKER_03]: We'll do it then.