WEBVTT 00:09.153 --> 00:19.517 [SPEAKER_03]: What is up everybody welcome to the stack I'm Alex I'm Justin I'm Pete and on the stack we talk about a bunch of books that have come out Speaking comic books comic books comic books. 00:19.597 --> 00:22.258 [SPEAKER_03]: I want to be clear not novels novels. 00:22.298 --> 00:27.039 [SPEAKER_03]: You stay to your barns and nobles and your bookshop.org Nobody cares what nobody cares. 00:27.059 --> 00:28.260 [SPEAKER_03]: We're talking pop culture. 00:28.640 --> 00:36.323 [SPEAKER_03]: We're talking the heartbeat of America here an American art form that was created on our streets and lives of the hardest 00:37.540 --> 00:44.367 [SPEAKER_03]: Hardest hitting roughest art form you possibly could imagine the region comics were a chalk on pavement 00:45.124 --> 00:46.865 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, it's true, and they're still hot. 00:47.065 --> 00:51.469 [SPEAKER_03]: I still hopscotch on every single comic that I buy. 00:51.549 --> 00:54.351 [SPEAKER_03]: I stamp right down on it with my dirty little feet. 00:54.691 --> 00:55.311 [SPEAKER_01]: That's off. 00:56.252 --> 00:58.354 [SPEAKER_03]: My dirty little buddy covered bear stuff. 00:58.414 --> 00:59.394 [SPEAKER_02]: Why do you bear feet? 00:59.654 --> 01:00.315 [SPEAKER_02]: Bear, yeah. 01:00.355 --> 01:01.116 [SPEAKER_03]: Can't afford shoes. 01:02.076 --> 01:10.903 [SPEAKER_03]: But I can't afford to talk about ultimate end game number five from Marvel Comics, Written by Dennis Camp, art by Terry Dodson and Rachel Dodson and Jonas Sharfe. 01:11.583 --> 01:13.323 [SPEAKER_03]: Now, we're not just going to talk about this. 01:13.383 --> 01:18.544 [SPEAKER_03]: We are also going to talk about next step, and I think it's worth mentioning that we're going to be talking about them together. 01:19.024 --> 01:31.847 [SPEAKER_03]: Ultimate Universe Finale, number one from Marvel, written by Jonathan Hickman, Brian Hill, Chris Condon, Dennis Camp, Peach Mooco, art by Marco Chichetto, Stefano Cuffcelli, Alessandro Capuchio, one for Gary Ed Peach Mooco. 01:32.227 --> 01:39.188 [SPEAKER_03]: To get back to Ultimate Ed Game for a second, this is the final issue kind of of the Ultimate Universe event. 01:40.029 --> 01:52.187 [SPEAKER_03]: Rapping things up the big fight with the maker and then what we were told is we're getting one last issue with the creative teams to say goodbye to the ultimate universe from the main titles the ongoing titles other than ultimate endgame 01:52.600 --> 01:56.082 [SPEAKER_03]: So, a little ultimate story, a little ultimate spider band story, et cetera, et cetera. 01:56.423 --> 02:01.506 [SPEAKER_03]: The definitely up to pieces, you definitely need to read them in this order and not those orders. 02:01.526 --> 02:02.007 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah. 02:02.047 --> 02:02.507 [SPEAKER_03]: Sure. 02:03.288 --> 02:04.989 [SPEAKER_03]: There's a lot to talk about here. 02:05.449 --> 02:12.014 [SPEAKER_03]: I want to put a big spoiler warning not just for these books, but every book we're going to be talking about in the stack today, because we're going to get into it. 02:12.034 --> 02:15.956 [SPEAKER_03]: But I think it's worth talking about these books individually together and also 02:17.017 --> 02:20.679 [SPEAKER_03]: over all the ultimate future because this is, no, this is the end. 02:20.879 --> 02:24.040 [SPEAKER_03]: They said very clearly Marvel has said this is the end of the ultimate universe. 02:24.200 --> 02:25.701 [SPEAKER_03]: I don't know if you finish that. 02:25.721 --> 02:28.342 [SPEAKER_03]: I'm really curious to find out what this is about. 02:28.582 --> 02:32.824 [SPEAKER_01]: I just have a question for J. T. says, you still camp in or I feel them, bro. 02:34.942 --> 02:36.864 [SPEAKER_03]: Great, that's where we definitely want to start. 02:37.384 --> 02:44.330 [SPEAKER_03]: Let's talk over all thoughts, which is I think to translate what Peter's saying about the end of the ultimate universe here. 02:44.770 --> 02:49.975 [SPEAKER_03]: Now it's in the rearview of inner, not continuing, not returning to it in any way for sure. 02:51.250 --> 02:53.131 [SPEAKER_02]: What were they thinking? 02:53.151 --> 02:58.555 [SPEAKER_02]: I love Dennis camp. 02:58.595 --> 02:59.656 [SPEAKER_02]: I'm on the edge of camp. 03:00.576 --> 03:01.357 [SPEAKER_02]: I'm here in camp. 03:01.417 --> 03:08.781 [SPEAKER_02]: I'm like camp sounds weird camp feels like I used to be in it to win it. 03:08.862 --> 03:10.963 [SPEAKER_01]: Now I was on your right the edge of the camp. 03:11.183 --> 03:17.344 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, now I'm, um, I was killed at camp and I'm killing camp counselors to be good on her to happen to camp. 03:17.644 --> 03:23.905 [SPEAKER_03]: You know, I'm a camp that I'm crying calling my parents to take the home because I don't want to be here at it. 03:24.065 --> 03:24.725 [SPEAKER_03]: Oh, man, dude. 03:24.805 --> 03:26.326 [SPEAKER_03]: No, no, that's being too rude. 03:26.406 --> 03:32.227 [SPEAKER_03]: I'm going to, without lumping on this too much, I do want to mention at least individually about ultimate end game. 03:32.267 --> 03:35.828 [SPEAKER_03]: I do think there was some nice, very poignant moments in this final issue. 03:36.308 --> 03:38.288 [SPEAKER_03]: The stuff with the doom really got me. 03:38.628 --> 03:49.371 [SPEAKER_03]: I got a little choked up towards the end there with some of the events that happened between him, the tie into those great fantastic four focused issues from earlier in the ultimate. 03:49.752 --> 03:52.753 [SPEAKER_03]: There's a very nice art from the Dodson's in particular. 03:52.853 --> 03:57.674 [SPEAKER_03]: We get, you know, I think the superhero splash page that we all expected to see at issue one. 03:57.694 --> 04:02.236 [SPEAKER_03]: We finally do get it here at issue five, is they're all attacking the maker and everybody's going together. 04:03.696 --> 04:18.273 [SPEAKER_03]: you would talk he a lot just in about how i'm forget your exact phrase but how this is like a handbook for rebellion essentially and yes especially the dentist camp ultimate issues yes but i think that causes 04:19.294 --> 04:25.136 [SPEAKER_03]: to fruition here, specifically talking about the fight is ongoing, the fight is forever. 04:25.176 --> 04:33.058 [SPEAKER_03]: We all have to come together as one to join together to fight these overwhelming forces that say they are going to destroy us all. 04:33.498 --> 04:39.580 [SPEAKER_03]: He is not entirely unclear about how you fight fascism or rising force in our world right now. 04:40.021 --> 04:41.601 [SPEAKER_03]: Something that says, I'm right. 04:42.201 --> 04:43.041 [SPEAKER_03]: My way is right. 04:43.101 --> 04:47.783 [SPEAKER_03]: You have to follow my way and if you're not going to follow my way, I'm going to tear everything down because it doesn't 04:48.423 --> 04:53.986 [SPEAKER_03]: work unless it's my way is only through everybody joining together to fight it being on the same page. 04:54.947 --> 05:01.130 [SPEAKER_03]: So all that stuff came through loud and clear and I will say those as positives for this issue in particular. 05:01.503 --> 05:02.183 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I agree with you. 05:02.223 --> 05:03.544 [SPEAKER_02]: And there are some good moments here. 05:03.804 --> 05:11.547 [SPEAKER_02]: It made me want to stay in this universe longer when you see the Phoenix and Wolverine rival when the doom stuff, I thought was really good. 05:12.207 --> 05:15.289 [SPEAKER_02]: And some other just like the splash pages in fighting. 05:15.469 --> 05:29.455 [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, my criticism here comes from the metaphor and the anti-fascism stuff coming into clash with the superhero story, a big superhero story that doesn't quite, like the maker is a big lump. 05:30.982 --> 05:32.903 [SPEAKER_02]: There's a tree, you're a little tree. 05:33.223 --> 05:33.824 [SPEAKER_01]: Space Lump. 05:33.984 --> 05:35.325 [SPEAKER_01]: I was like a space tree. 05:36.185 --> 05:36.925 [SPEAKER_02]: Space Lump tree? 05:37.246 --> 05:43.349 [SPEAKER_02]: A space, a tree that produces lumps, which you can then pluck in by into like an onion. 05:43.789 --> 05:48.571 [SPEAKER_02]: But to me, it's like, well, what's the big fight is Lump versus heroes? 05:48.931 --> 05:50.712 [SPEAKER_02]: Heroes beat lump pretty handily. 05:52.473 --> 05:59.517 [SPEAKER_02]: And then it all comes to the point of, hey, we brought back spider man, and I was like, what? 06:00.919 --> 06:12.237 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, why this universe is ending technically and I if what's gonna happen after this eventually is a reboot of some sort it's like well, then you can just bring Spider-Man back 06:13.430 --> 06:30.031 [SPEAKER_03]: So it's also crazy in particular an issue that spends so much time on the death of Captain America as a symbol and quick silver and scarlet witch who are very side to the action fighting Captain Britain a storyline that feels like that if this is actually the last issue. 06:30.882 --> 06:43.697 [SPEAKER_03]: As I was reading it, I was thinking, if this is the last issue of the ultimate universe, why are we spending so much time on quick silver, scarlet witch and captured Britain, three characters that we barely spent any time with over the course of these past two years? 06:45.074 --> 06:46.656 [SPEAKER_03]: Bring back Captain America. 06:46.696 --> 06:49.980 [SPEAKER_03]: If you're going to break a character, not Spider-Man who's like, huh, what's I did? 06:50.200 --> 06:50.740 [SPEAKER_03]: What's going on? 06:50.760 --> 06:51.441 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah. 06:51.481 --> 06:57.007 [SPEAKER_02]: Anyway, he felt as confused as we are as a reader that that's where this punctuated. 06:57.728 --> 07:00.932 [SPEAKER_02]: When there were so many ideas on the table that were stories well told, 07:01.252 --> 07:14.981 [SPEAKER_02]: And to land their feels like such an editorial or like plot like original plot move when like the moves in this book to give Dennis Camp some flowers like I think there's a there's a what the dialogue's good. 07:15.001 --> 07:21.385 [SPEAKER_02]: I think the story moves well But just the eye overarching idea here feels like just off to some degree 07:21.705 --> 07:21.905 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. 07:22.106 --> 07:24.908 [SPEAKER_01]: Well, I thought, first off, classic cover. 07:25.389 --> 07:32.796 [SPEAKER_01]: I did feel like this had an epic feel, so for a big ending issue, there was a big kind of big fight, kind of climax. 07:33.317 --> 07:38.982 [SPEAKER_01]: I did feel like it had the giving tree vibes a little bit like Justin was saying, oh, like a taking tree. 07:39.503 --> 07:39.863 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. 07:40.043 --> 07:41.505 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. 07:42.005 --> 07:44.768 [SPEAKER_01]: And, you know, the end is on written was a little 07:45.890 --> 07:53.152 [SPEAKER_01]: But I was like, okay, all right, I see they're trying to get us a kind of big happy ending there So that was I think they met oh shit the end isn't unwritten. 07:53.212 --> 08:02.475 [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, no We have to get this to publish to publish right now hurry right something, but I did feel like I just hope to be choring about oh, sorry go ahead. 08:02.555 --> 08:13.719 [SPEAKER_01]: I just want to finish Yeah, great art big action So I felt like you know, I was a little scratching my head, but I did feel like all right This is an ending, you know 08:15.304 --> 08:18.127 [SPEAKER_03]: I say, this is not to slag off any artist. 08:18.227 --> 08:21.650 [SPEAKER_03]: I think Jodershireff was absolutely the wrong choice for this. 08:21.670 --> 08:26.754 [SPEAKER_03]: The Dodson's gave the right sense of scale and slickness to the action sees. 08:26.794 --> 08:32.739 [SPEAKER_03]: But Jodershireff is a weird, esoteric artist to tend to stretch stuff out. 08:33.220 --> 08:37.043 [SPEAKER_03]: It's like a half way between a little too realistic and a little too cartoony. 08:37.620 --> 08:40.381 [SPEAKER_03]: And it just did not emphasize this. 08:40.441 --> 08:42.081 [SPEAKER_03]: It did not break this home well enough. 08:42.141 --> 08:43.922 [SPEAKER_03]: So that was a little bit of a bummer to me. 08:43.942 --> 08:46.942 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, the whole thing with him being a tree. 08:47.082 --> 08:50.443 [SPEAKER_03]: And he's also carnage, which I didn't need to see. 08:50.463 --> 08:53.584 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, she's a lot of, it's a busy issue. 08:53.644 --> 08:56.185 [SPEAKER_03]: There's a busy issue with a lot of things going on. 08:56.205 --> 08:56.265 [SPEAKER_03]: And 08:58.738 --> 09:12.100 [SPEAKER_03]: Maybe it was hurt by the fact that it was so many disparate stories purposefully that Black Panther was like, I'm over here doing my own Black Panther thing Peach book is X-Bad was very much a so-called thing and they'd be together. 09:12.140 --> 09:18.562 [SPEAKER_03]: There was a feeling of why why are you doing the same book down To yeah, to move over to the finale. 09:18.582 --> 09:24.803 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I love the hold on no one to still talk about what yeah one thing about that like it just felt like the 09:26.323 --> 09:28.726 [SPEAKER_02]: But the story could have just been so much better. 09:28.747 --> 09:31.891 [SPEAKER_02]: I just feel like these five issues, I was like, what was the point here? 09:31.911 --> 09:36.277 [SPEAKER_02]: Like, they arrived in the Mako's like, I'm a big monster, and that's what he was for five missions. 09:36.597 --> 09:43.126 [SPEAKER_02]: And there wasn't, there's very little progression there, and it was like a little bit of machination to get everyone together, but not really. 09:44.382 --> 10:05.236 [SPEAKER_03]: it felt like a chatlet checklist at points where is like who do we have we had dare devil with a cosmic cube and he could bring the fourth wall okay check did that and also spider-man's back check and we have a big splash page with everybody shake it adds at the head which looks real weird check so I don't know yeah it's just 10:06.636 --> 10:21.459 [SPEAKER_02]: It's just like what was the what was the like I feel like the best crossovers No matter who's what companies making them have like some sort of twist or reveal or like shock in the last issue And there's there's just nothing here. 10:21.579 --> 10:31.421 [SPEAKER_02]: I felt like the big reveal of Spiderman being alive feels like an afterthought Setting up the next thing when we didn't have that moment in here that really like made 10:32.261 --> 10:41.437 [SPEAKER_02]: the rebellion going against this all-powerful maker feel like they earned their win it just felt like they were like ha ha he's lump and we beat him 10:42.668 --> 10:47.370 [SPEAKER_03]: Well, let's talk about ultimate universe finale because this is the other half of this. 10:47.410 --> 10:51.052 [SPEAKER_03]: This was, again, sold to us as what last chance to say goodbye. 10:51.072 --> 11:04.459 [SPEAKER_03]: We talked to Chris Condon about it a little bit and he said, yeah, really my pages in there are the end of ultimate Wolverine that that is the final pages of the story that I was telling not the last issue of ultimate Wolverine. 11:04.499 --> 11:07.241 [SPEAKER_03]: So by impression going into this was exactly that. 11:07.321 --> 11:11.423 [SPEAKER_03]: That it was like these people's chance to say goodbye to this universe. 11:12.083 --> 11:16.664 [SPEAKER_03]: And it 100% is not even remotely that at all. 11:16.904 --> 11:19.145 [SPEAKER_03]: Maybe with the exception of the ultimate Wolverine story. 11:19.405 --> 11:25.446 [SPEAKER_03]: The last thing I was, the Wolverine one wraps things up with a little bit of tease for the future. 11:25.546 --> 11:40.090 [SPEAKER_03]: But every single other one is like, here's the new status quo for these titles to the point that the last page of the book is the ultimate universe will return, which I literally out loud in my room alone said, 11:42.511 --> 11:51.506 [SPEAKER_02]: What I saw it well, I would even like I would go beyond saying their reestablishing a status quo a lot of these stories feel like backups from an annual 11:52.303 --> 12:01.991 [SPEAKER_02]: Like where they're just like like the Spider-Man one, it's like cool to see the team back, but like they're like, yeah Families hard and I was like wait, they're just doing a chore. 12:02.171 --> 12:14.460 [SPEAKER_02]: They're going to the PTA meeting and like one Slightly weird things happen, but no, not nothing really the black Panther stories like interesting But I'm like this is just like a nice little sweet romance. 12:14.480 --> 12:16.762 [SPEAKER_03]: I'm like well, this is the final statement 12:17.162 --> 12:21.467 [SPEAKER_02]: on all these characters where we make a big thing, a big reveal, something happens. 12:22.228 --> 12:23.489 [SPEAKER_01]: There's been a kiss, man. 12:23.529 --> 12:26.313 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, flying in there and kissing is pretty sweet. 12:26.493 --> 12:28.075 [SPEAKER_01]: Yo, I kiss like that every day. 12:28.095 --> 12:30.437 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm getting struck by lighting every day. 12:31.038 --> 12:31.579 [SPEAKER_01]: What? 12:32.039 --> 12:32.480 [SPEAKER_02]: Sun. 12:32.860 --> 12:34.101 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, that's crazy. 12:34.161 --> 12:41.847 [SPEAKER_02]: The experts are I was like, was this what is what is this like it and like I Don't read it so just say he's got a day off. 12:41.867 --> 12:45.950 [SPEAKER_01]: He's gonna go visit his buddy, Creed You know, they're just gonna be like an expert. 12:45.970 --> 12:46.671 [SPEAKER_03]: That's what we read. 12:46.791 --> 12:55.377 [SPEAKER_02]: That's what totally unrelated things now related things The the thing I like that story, but I'm also like like it's Wolverine Jean Grabe and like all right 12:56.238 --> 12:56.778 [SPEAKER_02]: See you later. 12:56.798 --> 13:01.420 [SPEAKER_02]: I was like, what, I want this story of them. 13:01.640 --> 13:04.641 [SPEAKER_02]: And she's like, uh, he's like, I'm going to stick around in the woods for a minute. 13:04.661 --> 13:05.941 [SPEAKER_02]: She's like, I'm going to go fly around. 13:05.961 --> 13:08.903 [SPEAKER_02]: I was like, what, make, I like, I wanted some emotion. 13:08.943 --> 13:11.764 [SPEAKER_02]: These felt like such slice of life stories. 13:12.364 --> 13:14.705 [SPEAKER_02]: Then I was like, give me the big moment. 13:15.065 --> 13:17.205 [SPEAKER_02]: This is all a series of little moments in a way. 13:17.245 --> 13:20.567 [SPEAKER_02]: I was absolutely shot by Pete. 13:20.607 --> 13:21.487 [SPEAKER_03]: How did you feel about this? 13:21.627 --> 13:21.827 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. 13:21.867 --> 13:23.288 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, I was, you know, 13:24.863 --> 13:43.785 [SPEAKER_01]: I was surprised that we got like a collection of stories here where it was just like a piece from Rokas Arts pretty amazing so we'll spend some time over here and you know you want a good black Panther kiss to go on so all right that was pretty sweet you know and then it was like hey Wolverine and creator still friends you know so I was like 13:44.325 --> 14:01.571 [SPEAKER_01]: All right, you know, it was nice to kind of get a little bit of a touch base with everybody, but I agree it wasn't, you know, what you kind of wanted for a last to rob, but it was still kind of like, and then that last panel reveal I was a little like, you know, all right. 14:01.931 --> 14:06.213 [SPEAKER_03]: Well, so let's just a throw out by own thoughts on some of these stories. 14:06.393 --> 14:12.575 [SPEAKER_03]: I think conversely to what you're saying just in the Black Panther story is very much to be setting up like, 14:13.791 --> 14:22.114 [SPEAKER_03]: Finishing up the storyline they were telling an ultimate Blackpab there and then kicking him into a new status quo where he is realigned as Blackpab there, which isn't a goodbye at all. 14:22.695 --> 14:33.319 [SPEAKER_03]: The Spider-Man story, like you're saying, one hundred percent slice of life, but that was most of the title, but it is setting up like, oh boy, now their daughter has the Venom costume. 14:33.359 --> 14:34.460 [SPEAKER_03]: What's going to happen with that? 14:43.183 --> 14:48.685 [SPEAKER_03]: I know, I know, but it feel, it is not an ending is what I'm saying. 14:48.865 --> 14:52.947 [SPEAKER_03]: That's like, here's a new beginning to not the whole family knows about this. 14:53.047 --> 14:55.688 [SPEAKER_03]: He is fully Spider-Man and happy to be Spider-Man. 14:56.148 --> 14:57.068 [SPEAKER_03]: What happens next? 14:57.549 --> 14:58.709 [SPEAKER_03]: But I would say though, it's not 14:58.709 --> 14:59.590 [SPEAKER_03]: Not even to be hot. 14:59.610 --> 15:03.733 [SPEAKER_02]: It's not them being like, okay, we have to solve this venom problem. 15:03.813 --> 15:07.436 [SPEAKER_02]: We have to go to space or something statement. 15:07.616 --> 15:10.778 [SPEAKER_02]: This felt like scrolling through Instagram being like, oh, what's Spider-Man up to? 15:10.798 --> 15:18.344 [SPEAKER_02]: I haven't had a chill day, but I panther, oh, he's having a date, like, oh, Wolverine said goodbye to his girlfriend. 15:18.384 --> 15:22.047 [SPEAKER_02]: I was like, so it's unending, but also like, mid. 15:22.167 --> 15:22.427 [SPEAKER_03]: Yes. 15:22.687 --> 15:25.669 [SPEAKER_03]: So I will also say though, do not keep giving. 15:26.616 --> 15:28.337 [SPEAKER_03]: medium up to Dennis camp. 15:28.517 --> 15:34.839 [SPEAKER_03]: I do think he did the best job at his story in the iron left story of laying out once again. 15:34.859 --> 15:41.161 [SPEAKER_03]: The fight is never ending and right now we're all aligned but we are going to fall apart. 15:41.301 --> 15:48.063 [SPEAKER_03]: We need to be ready for that when that happens and we need to fight back against it again which I thought was a great 15:48.483 --> 16:13.208 [SPEAKER_03]: very salient political point that it isn't about beating the fascist enemy is that fascism evil rises up again and again and again and again and again which is the point to superhero comics but he tied it in really nicely to the end here but then we got that last little bit at the end where the Baker tree venomous is way over to the real doctor doom who's like oh that's why I've been hiding this entire time 16:14.769 --> 16:33.731 [SPEAKER_03]: And day with that page and the reason just to be clear the reason I booed at the ultimate universal return is Marvel has spent a year Maybe at this point being like that's it no more ultimate universe ending it for good forever It's done absolutely done no and everybody's like we don't believe you and they're like nope 16:34.312 --> 16:44.977 [SPEAKER_03]: We're finishing it, it's done ultimate universe finale, goodbye, and then on the last page being like the ultimate universe return, that erodes trust with your audience. 16:44.997 --> 16:56.183 [SPEAKER_02]: Well, and let me say, we know it's going to return, we know that, and the story tells us it's going to return, there's an open-ended story in the last page. 16:56.643 --> 17:00.685 [SPEAKER_02]: Having that extra page is there, the extra page at the end is like, get the fuck out of here. 17:01.065 --> 17:10.208 [SPEAKER_02]: like don't insult me with the ultimate universal will return this isn't a movie I know it's going to the comment book where we know it's all coming back your story tells us it's coming back 17:11.701 --> 17:14.482 [SPEAKER_03]: Sure, how do we feel? 17:14.522 --> 17:31.610 [SPEAKER_03]: Do we feel like, I mean, just to wrap this up here, and I know we've talked about this incessantly before, now that we know this ending, do not the actual ending of the ultimate universe forever, because now we know it is coming back, but now that we know this ending, does this harm your overall feelings about the ultimate universe? 17:31.670 --> 17:39.514 [SPEAKER_03]: What do you think, it's hard to predict what a legacy is immediately, but like, what do you think the legacy of the ultimate universe is at this point? 17:42.233 --> 17:49.335 [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, I still, I thought everything they did up until, like, for two years leading up to this, I thought was excellent. 17:49.935 --> 17:54.356 [SPEAKER_02]: All the dentists camp stuff, all the spider-man stuff, all the spider-man stuff, I thought was really excellent. 17:54.697 --> 18:03.099 [SPEAKER_02]: Like, it's been a good, the only, the first crack was when we got the introduction of the, uh, the boxes that were, that, 18:03.879 --> 18:07.081 [SPEAKER_02]: But that miles was like transporting back and forth between the different universe. 18:07.101 --> 18:10.183 [SPEAKER_02]: So I was like, oh, this is a little crack in the armor here, but that's okay. 18:10.503 --> 18:12.405 [SPEAKER_02]: And then the crack just opened up. 18:12.725 --> 18:15.026 [SPEAKER_02]: And it's like the origin boxes are doing their thing. 18:15.527 --> 18:20.350 [SPEAKER_02]: And then the rest of the ultimate universe felt like they were just like, okay, sloth this off, we've moved on. 18:21.710 --> 18:24.933 [SPEAKER_02]: When, so overarchingly, I think this is a great universe. 18:24.993 --> 18:28.675 [SPEAKER_02]: I would read those first two years of comics and enjoy them. 18:29.656 --> 18:33.418 [SPEAKER_02]: And just get ready for a slight downgrade by the end. 18:34.775 --> 19:01.336 [SPEAKER_01]: Just in case the viewers or listeners at home are wondering what's sloth this off means is that mean it slowly makes it's way off panel or what is sloth off sort of like it's like when you slide the fat of a stake you just ate off your plate into the garbage Oh, okay, I thought it was like when you take a baby Ruth and you put it in the middle of your comic It great way you story or need the fat from your steak. 19:01.977 --> 19:03.418 [SPEAKER_02]: No, I mean, I do but like regular people 19:03.890 --> 19:06.651 [SPEAKER_03]: Oh, okay, I'm a part of your garbage can, by the way. 19:07.071 --> 19:08.772 [SPEAKER_02]: Well, I'm not a part of a design. 19:08.792 --> 19:09.733 [SPEAKER_02]: Hey, you need that. 19:10.833 --> 19:11.553 [SPEAKER_02]: Put it in my mouth. 19:12.094 --> 19:12.314 [SPEAKER_03]: Great. 19:12.474 --> 19:15.655 [SPEAKER_03]: I think we've done, uh, Fiddish stop talking about the ultimate year of your first one. 19:15.675 --> 19:18.716 [SPEAKER_03]: I'm going to move on with some of Supergirl special number one from Disney. 19:18.736 --> 19:19.197 [SPEAKER_03]: Supergirl. 19:20.077 --> 19:25.880 [SPEAKER_03]: Sophie Campbell, Mark Wade and Galsamone, Art by Bill N. Ortega, C. and Torme, and Emma Cuber. 19:26.280 --> 19:31.142 [SPEAKER_03]: Now, this is taking place in the D.C. continuity, giving us three tales of Supergirl. 19:31.622 --> 19:34.303 [SPEAKER_03]: But it does have Supergirl and Lobo. 19:34.523 --> 19:37.985 [SPEAKER_03]: It does have other supercharacters talking about the 19:38.125 --> 19:46.692 [SPEAKER_03]: History of Supergirl and a story of Mary Marvel teeming up with Supergirl as well. 19:48.093 --> 20:06.728 [SPEAKER_03]: I am shocked that a comic book company, specifically D.C. or Marvel, put a new comic book in stores the same week that a movie comes out where you can actually be like, oh, if you like this movie, check out this comic book, it's fun stuff you don't need to read anything else. 20:07.935 --> 20:09.556 [SPEAKER_02]: I never happens, that's crazy. 20:09.576 --> 20:11.296 [SPEAKER_02]: It's a song or a super girl, good for them. 20:11.896 --> 20:17.138 [SPEAKER_02]: They did it and they made it about Lobo, their co-star in the movie, like it all tracked. 20:17.878 --> 20:23.300 [SPEAKER_02]: The thing that I was surprised about with this is that it's a continuation of the story in Lobo number four. 20:23.820 --> 20:35.203 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, that's, well a lot of it is sort of dealing with, like it's truly like 10 to 12 pages, like hey, so yeah, we did some fucked up stuff in another comic over there. 20:36.528 --> 20:51.719 [SPEAKER_02]: If you want to go read that and go ahead, it says the editors know but like that was in the main story That was I was just surprised by that being such the focus of it Well, I really loved the art style of this I thought the The Lobo was great. 20:51.739 --> 21:00.025 [SPEAKER_01]: I also like now I'm hearing Jason Moe's voice in my head as Lobo Which is the first summer to have one really did you watch a trailer or something Pete? 21:00.971 --> 21:04.354 [SPEAKER_01]: No, but I know he's low bone now, so I don't know what's here is voice. 21:04.594 --> 21:06.855 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, it's not your doctor about that. 21:07.416 --> 21:07.616 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah. 21:07.916 --> 21:08.797 [SPEAKER_02]: No, you think I should. 21:09.117 --> 21:10.918 [SPEAKER_02]: You might have early onset in the Moa. 21:11.839 --> 21:13.200 [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, yeah, that could be a problem. 21:13.760 --> 21:15.801 [SPEAKER_02]: But it's going to get, it's going to really affect you. 21:16.182 --> 21:17.943 [SPEAKER_02]: I really want you to start talking like him. 21:18.622 --> 21:20.783 [SPEAKER_01]: The last one was my favorite story. 21:21.284 --> 21:23.965 [SPEAKER_03]: I thought you were saying my man more often. 21:24.265 --> 21:25.366 [SPEAKER_03]: I do, I do say that. 21:25.586 --> 21:30.429 [SPEAKER_02]: I say that, yeah, it's a cool collection of stories I thought going like this with your hair. 21:33.151 --> 21:36.133 [SPEAKER_03]: What did to see do that for anybody who's listening just then? 21:36.493 --> 21:38.334 [SPEAKER_03]: Which is brushing back. 21:38.354 --> 21:42.777 [SPEAKER_02]: This is Aquaman Mamoa, but I feel like he was always like putting a curl of his hair behind his ear. 21:43.981 --> 21:44.561 [SPEAKER_02]: It was wet. 21:45.342 --> 21:49.543 [SPEAKER_02]: I think he always likes it to be fast and furious shit, but more that you're not mad. 21:50.264 --> 21:51.064 [SPEAKER_03]: He flips his hand. 21:51.144 --> 21:51.844 [SPEAKER_03]: He's a hair flipper. 21:51.864 --> 21:53.005 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, he's a hair flipper. 21:53.245 --> 21:54.886 [SPEAKER_03]: He's got a long hair. 21:54.946 --> 22:00.368 [SPEAKER_03]: Good art in this book, particularly I loved the Bell N'Artegaard as usual. 22:00.528 --> 22:03.830 [SPEAKER_03]: I thought Mark Wade's story was a nice, like, hey, you want some history? 22:03.890 --> 22:04.490 [SPEAKER_03]: You guys? 22:04.810 --> 22:13.514 [SPEAKER_03]: He was all of the history off-hand, so that was fun and Galsamone's story was very sweet as well as love, Mary Marvel, so fun stuff was cool. 22:13.954 --> 22:15.336 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, they're just real quick on that. 22:15.416 --> 22:22.424 [SPEAKER_02]: There's two things, um, the in the galsamone story, there's a description of how it feels for a kryptonite to affect you. 22:22.944 --> 22:23.565 [SPEAKER_02]: I love that. 22:23.685 --> 22:25.047 [SPEAKER_02]: I've never heard that before. 22:25.167 --> 22:26.208 [SPEAKER_02]: That was really cool. 22:26.728 --> 22:27.710 [SPEAKER_02]: Great detail. 22:27.930 --> 22:28.751 [SPEAKER_02]: So that was a great. 22:28.791 --> 22:33.276 [SPEAKER_02]: And then that pivot into this nice, uh, sweet connective story between Super Royal Mary Marble's. 22:33.336 --> 22:33.937 [SPEAKER_02]: I enjoyed that. 22:34.782 --> 22:42.387 [SPEAKER_02]: And then the, the, the Mark Wade story like sort of making sense of the really insane continuity of Superhero. 22:42.407 --> 22:44.628 [SPEAKER_02]: I was like, this is a public service. 22:44.808 --> 22:46.770 [SPEAKER_02]: This should be ever, this should require reading. 22:46.810 --> 22:47.930 [SPEAKER_02]: I feel like, and that was really good. 22:47.950 --> 22:51.693 [SPEAKER_02]: And I love the, the use of the super boy characters. 22:53.058 --> 22:54.079 [SPEAKER_02]: the backing that story. 22:54.460 --> 22:57.184 [SPEAKER_03]: How do you feel about the fact that I think it's Connor, right? 22:57.284 --> 23:01.750 [SPEAKER_03]: That he's wearing a superman civil and also a superman civil that is jacket. 23:02.311 --> 23:03.172 [SPEAKER_03]: That's a little too much. 23:04.554 --> 23:05.455 [SPEAKER_01]: Too much of the jacket. 23:05.475 --> 23:06.096 [SPEAKER_01]: I love the jacket. 23:06.176 --> 23:07.137 [SPEAKER_01]: I love the jacket. 23:09.629 --> 23:33.746 [SPEAKER_02]: just I missed the old school jacket but I think I mean he has to have a jacket there's that's his only defining uh that and tactile telekinesis are his only defining qualities in the Superman family so he needs the jacket yeah also he gets very cold honestly so it's good there are too many young dark-haired men in the Superman family for him to not wear that jacket 23:34.026 --> 23:41.272 [SPEAKER_03]: They should do a comic book where it's all the super boys and all the robins are just lined up together It's I dead to find them. 23:41.512 --> 23:47.398 [SPEAKER_01]: See if you can Yeah, that's fucked up. 23:47.538 --> 23:58.747 [SPEAKER_03]: You think it's a bad man a superman or like okay, which ones which one's we're on a different uniform John by Sud Man, I'm Dick Grayson. 23:58.767 --> 23:59.708 [SPEAKER_03]: What are you talking about? 24:00.148 --> 24:01.690 [SPEAKER_02]: Exactly easy to make them a stick 24:02.566 --> 24:26.958 [SPEAKER_03]: Mind management doing improved over one from Odie Press by Matt Kent, we now we talk to Matt Kent a couple of months ago now about this book, but this is returning his mind bending series about a bunch of psychic spies as the shortest way of putting it as we pick up here, you don't have to have read anything before, but the mind management has been shut down or destroyed or something like that. 24:27.318 --> 24:34.796 [SPEAKER_03]: And we have two cops, question marks, who are investigating a mystery that may involve my management resurgent. 24:36.383 --> 24:39.225 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, you know, this bad kid do it as bad kid fake. 24:39.245 --> 24:40.265 [SPEAKER_03]: It's absolutely wild. 24:40.305 --> 24:41.446 [SPEAKER_03]: It's gorgeous to read. 24:42.727 --> 24:43.167 [SPEAKER_01]: It's awesome. 24:43.808 --> 24:52.413 [SPEAKER_01]: The loose skin over the phones and iPad was a pretty damn gross, but also, I think really well done. 24:53.373 --> 24:57.056 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I thought this was really impressive. 24:57.416 --> 25:00.578 [SPEAKER_01]: They had front matter, which was great as well as back matter. 25:01.438 --> 25:03.619 [SPEAKER_01]: some really interesting story telling here. 25:03.659 --> 25:04.880 [SPEAKER_01]: It's very creative. 25:04.940 --> 25:06.000 [SPEAKER_01]: It's cool and unique. 25:07.280 --> 25:14.103 [SPEAKER_01]: I Thought this was a real fun who'd done it that we kind of get in the middle of here, so yeah Really impressed as far as the first issue goes. 25:14.703 --> 25:23.567 [SPEAKER_02]: Pete you saying the loose skin over the iPad really freaked me out made it sound like you were describing something Alex or I was doing on this podcast recording 25:24.867 --> 25:27.811 [SPEAKER_02]: No context about what we're talking about, which I believe is a cover. 25:28.072 --> 25:30.395 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, that's one of the very, one of the old covers. 25:30.415 --> 25:33.319 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, that but she's very cool and horrifying. 25:33.339 --> 25:34.941 [SPEAKER_02]: I'm this book is so great. 25:35.442 --> 25:40.909 [SPEAKER_02]: He's found a way to bring back my management that feels different. 25:41.767 --> 25:59.947 [SPEAKER_02]: well also speaking to a different thing well it speaks to our current feeling of being like overwhelmed and a little bit challenging reality all the time which was part of my management always but it felt purposeful and now feels like our main characters are suffering from it in a way that I thought was really smart 26:01.062 --> 26:03.764 [SPEAKER_02]: made me feel seen in the book at the same time. 26:03.824 --> 26:06.966 [SPEAKER_02]: It's about wildly supernatural things happening. 26:07.046 --> 26:08.387 [SPEAKER_02]: So, shout out to that. 26:08.467 --> 26:10.488 [SPEAKER_02]: I think this is just always a great read. 26:10.629 --> 26:18.194 [SPEAKER_02]: There's no one who's more thorough and sort of working on the deep scale in the comic book industry right now in Mac. 26:18.654 --> 26:19.114 [SPEAKER_01]: Let's find it. 26:19.134 --> 26:24.098 [SPEAKER_01]: You said it because when I saw one of the loose skins, I was like, Justin, you know, so I'm glad that you're so scared. 26:24.118 --> 26:25.338 [SPEAKER_02]: It's weird right here. 26:28.822 --> 26:41.217 [SPEAKER_03]: You thought we were done talking about the ultimate universe we are not, because it's time for ultimately re-born number two from Marvel written by Chris Condon, Art by Stefano Casselli, now we had Chris Condon on the show a couple of weeks back to talk about this book. 26:41.838 --> 26:48.666 [SPEAKER_03]: The idea here is the origin boxes that Justin loves, which Miles Brown has brought back for the ultimate universe and got dispersed. 26:49.166 --> 27:12.580 [SPEAKER_03]: lead you to new powers for a bunch of folks as well as as we discover this issue a character named hostilicus was accolade of a nihilist from the ultimate universe that gets brought over here due to some ultimate universe, digabads, you can't make sense, you can't make sense, you can't make sense, you can't make sense, you can't make sense, you can't make sense, you can't make sense, you can't make sense, you can't make sense, you can't make sense, you can't make sense, you can't make sense, you can't make sense, you can't make sense, you can't make sense, you can't make sense, you can't make sense, you can't make sense, you can't make sense, you can't make sense, you can't make sense, you can't make sense, you can't make sense, you can't make sense, you can't make sense, you can't make sense, you can't make sense, you can't make sense 27:13.301 --> 27:15.002 [SPEAKER_01]: Um, what do you think about this? 27:15.062 --> 27:18.645 [SPEAKER_03]: Obviously we had some mixed feelings that passed about the other two ultimate titles. 27:18.685 --> 27:22.869 [SPEAKER_03]: This takes place in the main line universe to be clear, but is spinning off of ultimate stuff. 27:23.369 --> 27:25.171 [SPEAKER_03]: Pete, Punisher is in this issue. 27:25.211 --> 27:25.651 [SPEAKER_03]: How'd you feel? 27:26.212 --> 27:27.373 [SPEAKER_01]: Well, first off, cool cover. 27:27.413 --> 27:32.557 [SPEAKER_01]: You got Punisher who's like shooting somebody with a gun, but also looks like he's trying to stab him with a gun. 27:33.318 --> 27:36.160 [SPEAKER_01]: Um, but yeah, Punisher runs into 27:38.562 --> 27:54.055 [SPEAKER_01]: You know, it's it's a it's a it's a God war and luckily the Punisher is Saved by a sleazy Hollywood producer type you don't any mean because otherwise he would have been in trouble taking on that kind of guy Second the attitude. 27:54.075 --> 27:57.958 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh Yeah, I thought this was interesting 28:00.377 --> 28:05.879 [SPEAKER_02]: Um, I mean, has still a kiss, this, I don't understand what's happening here. 28:06.439 --> 28:10.380 [SPEAKER_01]: The Orgian Max is like, when you're clawing two braces together, you become out silicas. 28:11.040 --> 28:13.981 [SPEAKER_01]: Uh, however, it's like a father's storm situation. 28:14.161 --> 28:16.622 [SPEAKER_02]: Yes, well, that's more confusing technically. 28:16.742 --> 28:20.403 [SPEAKER_02]: The, I guess the origin box I'm like, yes, cool. 28:21.249 --> 28:22.310 [SPEAKER_02]: I see what they're going to do here. 28:22.330 --> 28:23.870 [SPEAKER_02]: Let's see some origin stuff. 28:24.491 --> 28:27.372 [SPEAKER_02]: And then we get a little bit of Wonderman back back stuff happening. 28:27.412 --> 28:28.633 [SPEAKER_02]: I don't want more of that. 28:28.873 --> 28:33.715 [SPEAKER_02]: When the Haselic is a character that I don't really know, he is there suddenly. 28:33.775 --> 28:37.437 [SPEAKER_02]: And he feels like he's like not origin box oriented at all. 28:37.657 --> 28:43.080 [SPEAKER_02]: And the Punisher's like war journaling like mother fucker in this. 28:43.140 --> 28:44.401 [SPEAKER_02]: And like I don't like too much. 28:45.241 --> 29:10.707 [SPEAKER_02]: I like it he's just a weird window character into this story to me like and that's the choice maybe it makes sense with the movie but I like a punishable original story it just felt like Punisher versus Hashtilik is is dealing some Marvel cards randomly and landing on these two Do you think you want to say Punisher origin box somewhere like the origin box adds up at the Marvel Universe it's just a gun in there and that's it 29:11.308 --> 29:13.370 [SPEAKER_02]: Do you think it's a gun or just like a fuck the picnic? 29:13.690 --> 29:16.532 [SPEAKER_01]: No, when you say, Punisher is a window character. 29:16.552 --> 29:18.254 [SPEAKER_01]: Do you mean that you like to look at them? 29:18.294 --> 29:20.256 [SPEAKER_01]: But then, you know, you don't want them to talk? 29:20.496 --> 29:22.057 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I'm like a peeping Frank. 29:22.437 --> 29:23.839 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I'm just... 29:24.199 --> 29:25.900 [SPEAKER_02]: I'm watching the Punisher do stuff. 29:26.901 --> 29:28.983 [SPEAKER_02]: I hate risky guy to peep on though. 29:29.383 --> 29:36.891 [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, yeah, because I think peeping Tom crosses over into he'll kill you if that he See it catches you, you know, crying. 29:36.971 --> 29:38.032 [SPEAKER_03]: I think I don't know. 29:38.112 --> 29:52.485 [SPEAKER_03]: I feel like it's pretty clear where we're going with the story here That you have all these characters that have these powers some of them are using it for evil others them are going to use it for good Specifically the Wonderman character and they're eventually all gonna team up against hostilicus. 29:52.565 --> 29:53.426 [SPEAKER_03]: I'm definitely getting 29:54.968 --> 30:14.104 [SPEAKER_03]: to the end of calling them infinity watch the people who have infinity stones that seem to have forgotten about now that we've moved on to arjid boxes it's the same sort of thing and Chris content is doing good job of writing this upon a cicelli's art is great but i don't know it's i've read comics log enough that it's hard to get invested in this type of thing unless 30:14.965 --> 30:28.171 [SPEAKER_03]: one of these characters are really, really pops out of this issue, or somebody else in a subsequent series figures out what to do with one of these characters, because right now, this is very much a bridge series to other things. 30:30.125 --> 30:35.707 [SPEAKER_01]: But I'm just going to say the real issue that we haven't talked about yet is big clang. 30:35.907 --> 30:46.712 [SPEAKER_01]: You know, DC is very big on the clang, you know, Wonder Woman does a sick bracelet clang, but Marvel's coming out saying they're anti clang, and that's kind of an interesting clang. 30:46.732 --> 30:48.253 [SPEAKER_01]: It was a little bit die on, yeah. 30:48.913 --> 31:09.219 [SPEAKER_03]: for anybody who doesn't know so the negative negatives are something that Captain Marvel one of the iterations not Carol Danvers would wear and it was exactly like Captain Marvel over in the DC universe essentially where he claimed the best the other and switch places with Rick Jones or potentially somebody else. 31:09.719 --> 31:21.362 [SPEAKER_03]: So, that's what we're getting here is these two people get the negatives from the ultimate universe, clang them together, and then hostilicus is where are the other pair of the negatives, so we switch places. 31:21.442 --> 31:21.702 [SPEAKER_03]: Them. 31:21.722 --> 31:23.423 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, I thought I turned into them. 31:23.643 --> 31:24.663 [SPEAKER_01]: I thought they turned into them. 31:24.683 --> 31:32.345 [SPEAKER_03]: No, we didn't turn into them, so the thing with them now is they are now in the negative zone of the ultimate universe, which I think I very much like to see. 31:33.225 --> 31:34.928 [SPEAKER_03]: that's a little terrifying. 31:35.048 --> 31:43.339 [SPEAKER_02]: If you read the last last page from the ultimate ultimate universe finale number one. 31:43.712 --> 31:47.214 [SPEAKER_02]: It says the ultimate universe negative zone will continue. 31:47.875 --> 31:48.835 [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, really? 31:48.975 --> 31:49.556 [SPEAKER_03]: Interesting. 31:49.576 --> 31:49.916 [SPEAKER_03]: All right. 31:49.936 --> 31:53.018 [SPEAKER_02]: So I think we're going to follow these cool teens who are obsessed with claim. 31:53.458 --> 31:54.379 [SPEAKER_03]: I love cool teens. 31:54.459 --> 31:55.180 [SPEAKER_03]: What are they up to? 31:55.220 --> 31:55.820 [SPEAKER_03]: What are they like? 31:55.920 --> 31:56.440 [SPEAKER_03]: I'm going to know. 31:56.460 --> 32:06.047 [SPEAKER_02]: But the only thing with this idea is if the story is about like, oh, people have these origin boxes and they choose to be villains or heroes. 32:06.767 --> 32:23.641 [SPEAKER_02]: has still a case is just a villain like he's just like a monster comes through I'm like this is not really tied to the origin box idea this is just a happenstance and the punishers is not tied to the origin boxes so the only thing tied to the origin boxes is wonder man he's operating on his own and that's the part that I'm interested in. 32:24.261 --> 32:39.067 [SPEAKER_01]: It was weird though the way it was like he showed up and was like, oh, I'm just this super huge badass and I don't care about these humans all and then one human was like, hey, I'll make you famous and he was like, say more, I'm interested. 32:40.307 --> 32:42.828 [SPEAKER_03]: that human has one of the origin boxes. 32:42.848 --> 32:44.889 [SPEAKER_03]: We don't know which powers he has yet. 32:44.969 --> 32:53.693 [SPEAKER_03]: I think based on it looks like he has the gem of Citerac, which is not giving him juggernaut powers but some sort of convincing powers. 32:54.173 --> 33:00.476 [SPEAKER_03]: And that's what he does to us to look like he's in the end there as he uses that power to convince him to follow and hang out with him. 33:00.756 --> 33:03.837 [SPEAKER_02]: That is weird though because that's not how the gem of Citerac works, right? 33:04.338 --> 33:04.578 [SPEAKER_02]: Right. 33:06.540 --> 33:11.729 [SPEAKER_03]: I don't know, it's actually a fantasy concept, so it could be literally added there. 33:13.180 --> 33:15.562 [SPEAKER_02]: All right, we've got absolute wonder woman. 33:15.582 --> 33:16.603 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I'm from T.C. 33:16.643 --> 33:24.609 [SPEAKER_03]: Comics where my Kelly Thompson are about to deal in snuck the hot new thing in comic books as characters in hell and Wonder Woman is getting it on the action. 33:24.649 --> 33:32.074 [SPEAKER_03]: She is back in hell and trying to figure out how to get out why she's there, how she can save her friends. 33:32.134 --> 33:37.638 [SPEAKER_03]: Meanwhile, we're watching Barbara Benerva figure out more about the corpse of 33:38.810 --> 33:39.911 [SPEAKER_03]: Cheshire, what? 33:40.812 --> 33:41.113 [SPEAKER_02]: Chita. 33:41.553 --> 33:41.994 [SPEAKER_02]: Chita. 33:42.234 --> 33:42.534 [SPEAKER_03]: Wow. 33:42.715 --> 33:43.035 [SPEAKER_03]: Sorry. 33:43.376 --> 33:53.287 [SPEAKER_03]: Chita that has been lying in her cell, and she is commuting with another age in God that I always blank up the day above that gives Chita her powers. 33:53.628 --> 33:55.330 [SPEAKER_03]: Pete, you seem pretty hyped to take it away. 33:55.630 --> 34:07.497 [SPEAKER_01]: Yes, I love this Wonder Woman is now kind of like a wearer of things and I'm the case and it's gonna help her friend Barbara and hopefully save the day. 34:07.577 --> 34:10.619 [SPEAKER_01]: So I was excited that which she's kind of caught up. 34:10.659 --> 34:14.481 [SPEAKER_01]: She was a little kind of before, not sure who was doing what to home. 34:14.581 --> 34:20.725 [SPEAKER_01]: So I'm excited that now she's kind of aware and is in the fight. 34:21.245 --> 34:26.768 [SPEAKER_01]: So, yeah, I just love the way that this issue is kind of really ramping things up. 34:26.988 --> 34:41.417 [SPEAKER_01]: So, I was a little de-escalated or a little disappointed by the last panel reveal of Wonder Woman being like, oh, you know what the move is when you're in kind of, in somewhere that you're not thinking as cool as just kill yourself. 34:41.437 --> 34:43.978 [SPEAKER_01]: So I was like, oh, man, I didn't like that ending. 34:44.038 --> 34:47.380 [SPEAKER_01]: So hopefully, when you pick up the next issue, they'll kind of, you know, 34:50.742 --> 34:57.748 [SPEAKER_01]: comic to kind of like, you know, wait, what, but we'll see Maybe that's the other wonder. 34:57.788 --> 35:03.333 [SPEAKER_01]: You're talking about the other wonder world Oh, no, I did I am. 35:03.353 --> 35:05.095 [SPEAKER_01]: I got my Wonder Woman's confused. 35:05.335 --> 35:05.976 [SPEAKER_01]: Do you want women? 35:06.576 --> 35:09.679 [SPEAKER_03]: Yes, I was very confused What you were talking about just it. 35:09.739 --> 35:11.721 [SPEAKER_03]: What did you think about absolute wonder woman? 35:12.722 --> 35:14.823 [SPEAKER_02]: This Makes sense. 35:14.863 --> 35:16.465 [SPEAKER_03]: There's that whole thing being like what's 35:17.793 --> 35:19.594 [SPEAKER_02]: Um, this is good. 35:19.774 --> 35:21.035 [SPEAKER_02]: This continues to be good. 35:21.315 --> 35:28.898 [SPEAKER_02]: Um, I thought the, you know, I've never understood Cheetah in relation to Wonder Woman as the, one of the very close arch enemies. 35:29.418 --> 35:37.522 [SPEAKER_02]: Because it feels like it's just a mismatch in so much from the power set, even though there is a, there has always been this larger Amazonian connection. 35:38.082 --> 35:40.125 [SPEAKER_02]: I thought this issue did the best job. 35:40.205 --> 35:46.213 [SPEAKER_02]: I've read of making Cheetah feel relevant to this God God-like situation. 35:46.433 --> 35:47.715 [SPEAKER_02]: So that was very cool. 35:47.835 --> 35:54.024 [SPEAKER_02]: I liked how that was really slow played and the move into the new version of Cheetah. 35:54.044 --> 35:54.925 [SPEAKER_02]: I thought it was very cool. 35:55.972 --> 36:07.360 [SPEAKER_01]: I like Cheetah Verber because it shows one woman's heart, you know, like Cheetah is sometimes kind of tricked into doing bad things or kind of tricked into her kind of bad situation. 36:07.400 --> 36:12.984 [SPEAKER_01]: So the fact that like she listens to Cheetah and tries to help Cheetah even though Cheetah tries to hurt her. 36:13.364 --> 36:16.685 [SPEAKER_01]: I think it's a good kind of character for her, but I definitely hear what you're saying. 36:17.085 --> 36:26.027 [SPEAKER_01]: And now that I've read the right notes, yeah, yeah, I thought this was really kind of a great issue of kind of building towards what it was building for. 36:26.347 --> 36:29.568 [SPEAKER_02]: I think Chester Cheetah would be a better opponent. 36:29.948 --> 36:30.328 [SPEAKER_03]: What? 36:31.048 --> 36:31.528 [SPEAKER_03]: Oh, yeah. 36:31.588 --> 36:33.068 [SPEAKER_03]: Because what would Wonder Room and Door? 36:33.088 --> 36:35.749 [SPEAKER_03]: She got all that orange dust all over her finger. 36:35.829 --> 36:36.749 [SPEAKER_03]: That's her stuff. 36:36.769 --> 36:37.849 [SPEAKER_03]: She eats it with Lasso. 36:37.989 --> 36:38.390 [SPEAKER_01]: Okay. 36:38.450 --> 36:39.490 [SPEAKER_01]: She's not gonna use her finger. 36:39.510 --> 36:40.190 [SPEAKER_01]: Chester Massa. 36:41.237 --> 36:48.225 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, the Ted lasso of truth, where he just holds his arms around you and hugs you and you have to be honest. 36:48.485 --> 36:48.905 [SPEAKER_02]: Oh man. 36:48.925 --> 36:50.247 [SPEAKER_02]: Because that's also true Pete. 36:51.067 --> 36:52.469 [SPEAKER_03]: When Ted hugs you, you got to be honest. 36:52.869 --> 36:53.110 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah. 36:53.610 --> 36:56.934 [SPEAKER_03]: He, I don't want to give too many spoilers for the next season of Ted lasso. 36:56.954 --> 36:59.897 [SPEAKER_03]: But he actually builds a baby out of biscuits. 37:00.841 --> 37:09.165 [SPEAKER_02]: This is maybe this goes for the baby that peak I lit up by that just because it's dead He said he said there were its biscuit baby. 37:09.205 --> 37:13.567 [SPEAKER_02]: He was like oh, yes, I love it He said biscuit baby. 37:13.587 --> 37:14.068 [SPEAKER_02]: He's on board. 37:14.428 --> 37:14.608 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah 37:15.634 --> 37:15.814 [SPEAKER_03]: Great. 37:15.834 --> 37:16.194 [SPEAKER_03]: That's true. 37:16.274 --> 37:17.035 [SPEAKER_02]: Every issue of this. 37:17.055 --> 37:17.515 [SPEAKER_02]: This is great. 37:17.535 --> 37:18.315 [SPEAKER_02]: The University of Columbia. 37:18.335 --> 37:18.956 [SPEAKER_02]: The University of Columbia. 37:18.976 --> 37:20.636 [SPEAKER_03]: The University of Columbia. 37:20.656 --> 37:21.437 [SPEAKER_03]: The University of Columbia. 37:21.457 --> 37:22.597 [SPEAKER_03]: The University of Columbia. 37:22.617 --> 37:23.638 [SPEAKER_03]: The University of Columbia. 37:23.858 --> 37:24.638 [SPEAKER_03]: The University of Columbia. 37:24.658 --> 37:25.358 [SPEAKER_03]: The University of Columbia. 37:25.378 --> 37:26.259 [SPEAKER_03]: The University of Columbia. 37:26.279 --> 37:27.019 [SPEAKER_03]: The University of Columbia. 37:27.039 --> 37:27.800 [SPEAKER_03]: The University of Columbia. 37:27.840 --> 37:28.920 [SPEAKER_03]: The University of Columbia. 37:28.940 --> 37:29.881 [SPEAKER_03]: The University of Columbia. 37:29.901 --> 37:30.881 [SPEAKER_03]: The University of Columbia. 37:30.901 --> 37:32.001 [SPEAKER_03]: The University of Columbia. 37:32.021 --> 37:33.322 [SPEAKER_03]: The University of Columbia. 37:33.342 --> 37:34.903 [SPEAKER_03]: The University of Columbia. 37:34.963 --> 37:36.824 [SPEAKER_03]: The University of Columbia. 37:36.884 --> 37:38.364 [SPEAKER_03]: The University of Columbia. 37:40.065 --> 37:42.706 [SPEAKER_03]: with a team that wolf, if you will. 37:43.426 --> 37:51.548 [SPEAKER_03]: Oh, I see we end up at a terribly situation where he may have killed everybody at a high school party. 37:51.928 --> 38:00.530 [SPEAKER_03]: His dad is a little abusive and doesn't really want to listen to it all until by the end of the issue, he coughs up a whole eyeball. 38:01.350 --> 38:09.453 [SPEAKER_03]: Classic, I don't know if I have a full, non-digested eyeball and here's the thing, as a parent in the stack, there is a big eyeball stack. 38:09.533 --> 38:15.855 [SPEAKER_02]: As a parent, you know, an eyeball is the perfect size of a throat, so you really got to cut them up before you eat them. 38:25.840 --> 38:26.241 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, it's hard. 38:26.261 --> 38:27.746 [SPEAKER_02]: It's all the same size of shape, though. 38:27.766 --> 38:32.022 [SPEAKER_02]: I guess you could, um, you could do hemispheres, but I guess that wouldn't help because it's still choking hazard. 38:32.874 --> 38:35.735 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, you know, I really like this. 38:35.815 --> 38:43.957 [SPEAKER_01]: I thought the violence and kind of the whole, you know, young man turning 18 kind of stuff was fun. 38:44.717 --> 38:45.357 [SPEAKER_01]: Amazing. 38:45.377 --> 38:47.057 [SPEAKER_02]: You could be a real wolf man. 38:47.457 --> 38:48.838 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, exactly. 38:48.918 --> 38:52.599 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I was also really into the idea of a young man turning 18. 38:53.279 --> 38:55.859 [SPEAKER_02]: Well, it's guy could vote by cigarettes. 38:55.899 --> 38:56.600 [SPEAKER_02]: So great. 38:57.140 --> 38:58.200 [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, God, I'm glad. 38:59.197 --> 39:03.101 [SPEAKER_01]: Uh, it's scary when a man turns 18, you know what I mean, and this captures it really well. 39:03.701 --> 39:05.963 [SPEAKER_01]: Um, yeah, I thought the art was fantastic. 39:06.003 --> 39:09.486 [SPEAKER_03]: Not to interrupt, but in the Jewish religion, you become a man when you're 13. 39:09.526 --> 39:10.547 [SPEAKER_03]: I just wanted to throw that out there. 39:11.128 --> 39:11.608 [SPEAKER_02]: Um, yes. 39:11.668 --> 39:12.649 [SPEAKER_02]: Well, sorry. 39:12.829 --> 39:13.530 [SPEAKER_02]: In this. 39:13.770 --> 39:19.355 [SPEAKER_02]: In my non, my agnostic world, I have to wait in full five more years before I go with it. 39:20.215 --> 39:29.659 [SPEAKER_03]: and I lived every one of those child years between right after my bar mitzvah I walked right into the local quicky barred and I was like give me some cigarettes up a bad out. 39:30.039 --> 39:30.599 [SPEAKER_03]: Wow. 39:30.639 --> 39:31.560 [SPEAKER_03]: Right away sir. 39:32.600 --> 39:33.901 [SPEAKER_02]: You had to read a passage though. 39:33.941 --> 39:36.342 [SPEAKER_02]: You had to read a really strut my half-to-ride. 39:36.442 --> 39:37.442 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, it's true. 39:37.982 --> 39:39.923 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, you're a more man to me. 39:39.983 --> 39:44.385 [SPEAKER_01]: I walked right into the convenience store was like give me big league too because I'm a man now. 39:46.302 --> 39:48.524 [SPEAKER_02]: That's you're a big league now. 39:48.844 --> 40:09.279 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, because you're you're still you're still eating little league You that's right little league too Yeah, team ball tunes where I started yeah, and then I've worked my way out They really have a sister worked out for that whole thing Yeah, so there's like a triple A Hard to and I see when you're only playing the farm team stuff You're not really making a living wage especially as a boy, so it's hard to get by 40:10.320 --> 40:12.362 [SPEAKER_02]: Um, this comic is, is good. 40:12.382 --> 40:17.307 [SPEAKER_02]: The R is really good and horrifying in a way it has a classic feel to it. 40:17.687 --> 40:24.613 [SPEAKER_02]: We talk to Josh about it being, um, connected to Teen Wolf, and let me be honest. 40:25.194 --> 40:26.896 [SPEAKER_02]: Connection is stronger than I thought. 40:27.276 --> 40:28.457 [SPEAKER_02]: Because it is a fire sun. 40:28.717 --> 40:32.180 [SPEAKER_02]: And the father looks like the dead from dead and does. 40:34.720 --> 40:39.442 [SPEAKER_01]: And I think the story is very much, I remember the dad and the movie trying to blow up cops though. 40:39.482 --> 40:42.923 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, and to be clear, Josh was like, it's not teamwork at all. 40:43.143 --> 40:44.303 [SPEAKER_03]: No, nothing to do with T-shirts. 40:44.323 --> 40:45.423 [SPEAKER_03]: He almost did it. 40:45.523 --> 40:46.364 [SPEAKER_02]: I don't know. 40:46.644 --> 40:47.544 [SPEAKER_03]: I think this is T-shirt. 40:47.584 --> 40:49.325 [SPEAKER_02]: Didn't he say, like, oh, I hadn't really thought of that? 40:49.445 --> 40:50.725 [SPEAKER_02]: I'm like, yeah, bro. 40:51.385 --> 40:51.845 [SPEAKER_02]: It is. 40:53.066 --> 40:53.686 [SPEAKER_02]: You got to rewatch this. 40:53.706 --> 40:56.967 [SPEAKER_03]: There's a scene of this first issue where he rides on top of a van. 40:56.987 --> 40:57.807 [SPEAKER_03]: It is very cool. 40:57.827 --> 40:59.488 [SPEAKER_03]: Are you talking about this? 40:59.508 --> 41:00.188 [SPEAKER_02]: He's in a style. 41:00.208 --> 41:01.608 [SPEAKER_02]: A bag of beer. 41:01.968 --> 41:03.469 [SPEAKER_02]: These waves are mine. 41:05.165 --> 41:08.690 [SPEAKER_03]: All right, let's move on talk about cats in America number 12 from Marvel. 41:08.710 --> 41:14.677 [SPEAKER_03]: My chips at Arskie art by Valeria Sheedy, we're get this cat in America is in hell. 41:15.138 --> 41:18.663 [SPEAKER_03]: The original concept that we have never received before in the stack. 41:18.883 --> 41:22.167 [SPEAKER_02]: I believe Steve would say he's in heck, and that's a fine place to be. 41:22.928 --> 41:32.650 [SPEAKER_03]: So the plot here is that after the events of the previous issue of Captain America while Avengers Armageddon is going on, or maybe it hasn't started yet, it's not entirely clear. 41:33.291 --> 41:47.154 [SPEAKER_03]: Captain America has been said essentially to a coma, but now he is in hell and Dr. Doom needs his help to have a revolution against Bethisto in hell, which Steve is slowly coming around to over the course of the issue. 41:48.254 --> 41:50.275 [SPEAKER_03]: Pete, you look like you want to say something here. 41:50.335 --> 41:52.195 [SPEAKER_01]: Well, I was just really impressed with you. 41:52.215 --> 41:54.116 [SPEAKER_01]: Like, oh, yeah, Steve was sent into a coma. 41:54.136 --> 41:57.537 [SPEAKER_01]: I was like, oh, man, there's nothing like sending yourself into a coma. 41:57.577 --> 41:57.977 [SPEAKER_01]: You know what? 41:57.997 --> 41:59.718 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, he's like, I don't know what. 42:00.098 --> 42:02.099 [SPEAKER_03]: I'm just glad we need the postal service man. 42:02.119 --> 42:03.179 [SPEAKER_03]: They're trying to get rid of it. 42:03.239 --> 42:05.600 [SPEAKER_03]: But how are you going to send yourself into a coma without them? 42:06.548 --> 42:08.630 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yeah, that makes sense. 42:09.191 --> 42:16.258 [SPEAKER_03]: Well, I am saying is it's like, what, 23 cents to send yourself into a co-go through the post on office or whatever FedEx charges. 42:16.298 --> 42:17.239 [SPEAKER_02]: So I have a question out. 42:17.259 --> 42:18.560 [SPEAKER_02]: So those last time you bought stamps. 42:19.040 --> 42:21.463 [SPEAKER_03]: Was it 50 years ago? 42:21.483 --> 42:23.365 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, in 1983, I believe. 42:23.785 --> 42:24.125 [SPEAKER_02]: Wow. 42:24.185 --> 42:27.549 [SPEAKER_02]: Stamps haven't been 23 cents since we've been working with fire. 42:27.789 --> 42:29.851 [SPEAKER_02]: Chase and Bucky around Drake. 42:31.951 --> 42:33.832 [SPEAKER_01]: I thought it was a really good start. 42:34.192 --> 42:42.457 [SPEAKER_01]: It lost me at Mephisto, but then won me back with the great Laspanel Villain reveal. 42:42.697 --> 42:45.979 [SPEAKER_01]: And then, yeah, I thought it was great art. 42:46.739 --> 42:48.080 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I thought it was interesting. 42:48.813 --> 42:50.334 [SPEAKER_02]: it's absolutely wild. 42:50.394 --> 42:51.355 [SPEAKER_02]: I really enjoy this issue. 42:51.375 --> 42:55.039 [SPEAKER_02]: I think this is my favorite issue of this since ship to cover. 42:56.120 --> 43:12.674 [SPEAKER_02]: It's wild to me that the story where Cap is in hell, as the thrall of doom, taking on Mephisto, who also is bringing the red skull into the equation, is a story that makes more sense than Cap fighting a regular war on Earth, which is the last 43:14.653 --> 43:18.198 [SPEAKER_02]: This one, I was like, yes, yes, yes, yes, the entire time. 43:18.238 --> 43:20.321 [SPEAKER_02]: The reveal, the end, like Pete said, was awesome. 43:21.162 --> 43:28.072 [SPEAKER_02]: The way Doom is talking to Steve, the way Steve is like, a little lost the whole time, but sort of like, yeah, I'm pure as fuck, let's do that. 43:30.592 --> 43:53.491 [SPEAKER_03]: It is a little strange to me that Dr. Doom is the second most important character in every issue of Captain America so far, which I have to assume is an editorial mandate they because we know that Steve Rogers is going to be back in Avengers Doob Day, so they need a couple of trades of a very strong Steve Rogers ad dr. Drew. 43:53.511 --> 43:55.133 [SPEAKER_01]: What are these serious doob fucking 43:55.533 --> 43:57.134 [SPEAKER_01]: Spoilers, Jesus. 43:57.495 --> 44:01.918 [SPEAKER_03]: No, no, not spoilers, marketing that has been in newspapers. 44:02.038 --> 44:02.418 [SPEAKER_03]: All right. 44:03.039 --> 44:03.279 [SPEAKER_03]: No. 44:03.319 --> 44:03.479 [SPEAKER_03]: Well. 44:03.839 --> 44:04.560 [SPEAKER_03]: And then know that. 44:05.000 --> 44:05.661 [SPEAKER_02]: Here's the thing. 44:05.721 --> 44:07.102 [SPEAKER_03]: There's a lot of things you don't know. 44:07.122 --> 44:08.283 [SPEAKER_03]: They're not all spoilers. 44:09.143 --> 44:10.825 [SPEAKER_03]: Talk to the doctor sometimes. 44:11.625 --> 44:14.647 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I talked to a doctor about spoilers for doomsday. 44:14.687 --> 44:19.950 [SPEAKER_03]: No, I'm just saying if a doctor's like AP you have Limft fighters. 44:19.971 --> 44:24.153 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, you're like whoa Yeah, if a doctor's like hey, you've let this came back. 44:24.173 --> 44:37.342 [SPEAKER_02]: You're like, bro Headphones off no spoilers Right, I want to wait until it's released You're also a little of colitis you should try shrimp fire 44:39.694 --> 44:40.014 [SPEAKER_03]: All right. 44:40.374 --> 44:41.035 [SPEAKER_02]: Is that what it is? 44:41.455 --> 44:42.335 [SPEAKER_02]: Anyway, that's what I got to talk about. 44:42.355 --> 44:44.016 [SPEAKER_03]: That's how you got to get America enough on this. 44:44.096 --> 44:45.877 [SPEAKER_03]: Justin, was there something else you were about to say? 44:46.637 --> 44:49.738 [SPEAKER_02]: I was trying to say that I don't remember. 44:50.739 --> 44:57.502 [SPEAKER_03]: Absolutely, Super Bad Number 20 from DC Comics by Jason Arrid, Art by Rafa Sandoval and Vinciente Quintis. 44:58.042 --> 45:06.786 [SPEAKER_03]: We are getting the reign of the Superman kind of or a riff on it as Superman steal Shazam who is actually black Adam at a Hawkman 45:09.567 --> 45:12.891 [SPEAKER_03]: and a very epic battle in this issue. 45:13.792 --> 45:14.773 [SPEAKER_03]: What do you guys think about this? 45:14.833 --> 45:20.659 [SPEAKER_03]: I know I've been a little more mixed about this arc, I think, than all of you, so how are you still, how are you feeling? 45:20.679 --> 45:21.380 [SPEAKER_03]: Still positive? 45:21.901 --> 45:28.828 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I had a blast with this, the cool cover, but the double hammer to the face panel. 45:30.938 --> 45:50.878 [SPEAKER_01]: that's some bad as fun right there i mean that is just uh... we're having fun i mean that's just that's just good times uh... i i just thought that the art was great and yeah was fun to see them kind of doing stuff and pushing stuff and mallet uh... black atom is fun yet the fights were really enjoyable i thought this was a great package 45:51.880 --> 45:57.647 [SPEAKER_02]: One of my favorite issues of the week, just really great narration from, uh, absolutely Hawkman in this. 45:58.308 --> 46:02.253 [SPEAKER_02]: I love these four characters coming together very different. 46:02.273 --> 46:04.676 [SPEAKER_02]: They don't really even know each other. 46:05.457 --> 46:08.561 [SPEAKER_02]: Hawkman is the one who's sort of telling us what the action is. 46:09.302 --> 46:21.405 [SPEAKER_02]: Fantastic action throughout great battle like one of the best battles, especially with this many characters that I've seen in a in a while in comics It is one big fight Beautifully drawn beautifully colored. 46:21.685 --> 46:38.689 [SPEAKER_02]: I love the way that the story twists around Teth Adams expectations and what Superman actually is through the lens of Hawkman who is sort of a jerk by his own admission Like it's just a lot of great little elements that come together for a just knock-down dry-out great-ish 46:39.910 --> 46:42.774 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, this one really came back around for me. 46:42.854 --> 46:55.068 [SPEAKER_03]: I have felt this arc has been a little busy, but the focus on Hawkman's perspective, like you were saying, Justin really brought it home and also just the focus back on 46:56.413 --> 47:16.863 [SPEAKER_03]: in a world that has never seen good before when you have superman the paragon of good coming and what that does to people we've already see what it does to lowest in jibby in particular of the course of the series and now seeing hawkman who is evil he first showed up the absolute evil special seeing 47:17.843 --> 47:25.616 [SPEAKER_03]: Superman win by basic goodness beyond all reason is turning around to a place where he's like, wait, is this an option? 47:25.937 --> 47:27.279 [SPEAKER_03]: Can I do this? 47:27.820 --> 47:29.102 [SPEAKER_03]: Is great. 47:29.322 --> 47:31.366 [SPEAKER_03]: I just I love the characterization there. 47:31.386 --> 47:32.127 [SPEAKER_02]: It's wonderful. 47:33.442 --> 47:50.937 [SPEAKER_03]: Good stuff, the eye collector number one from image comics by Jonathan Ball and GMB comic chuck and in this issue of course there's a collector who's collecting eyes and there's some eyes and that's what's going on and I really don't feel all I need to say anything else about the issue. 47:51.517 --> 47:52.938 [SPEAKER_03]: Oh, well, you know what it is. 47:53.078 --> 47:53.438 [SPEAKER_03]: You know what? 47:53.458 --> 47:54.638 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I don't need to tell you. 47:54.658 --> 48:01.522 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I Saying I do much here, but I thought that this was really fun. 48:01.582 --> 48:06.384 [SPEAKER_01]: I can't stop saying that This comic is too scary for me. 48:06.544 --> 48:08.605 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, I hit my eyeball limit here. 48:08.925 --> 48:15.908 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm up to my eyeballs and I've also over here So yeah, my limit is it two it's two it's two it's two it's four 48:16.548 --> 48:43.524 [SPEAKER_01]: It should be for since I do have four, but no, it's two and yeah, I just felt like this was Tripped out fun with the art Really impressive art panels in kind of a you know a art forward book if you will But yeah, this is this is a little scarier than I would like can you imagine a time where one of the most Agreious insults you could have been told is hay four eyes 48:45.521 --> 48:46.622 [SPEAKER_02]: Like does that really sting? 48:46.642 --> 48:48.844 [SPEAKER_02]: Does that really sting for you guys? 48:49.044 --> 48:52.407 [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, it's all about the, you know, the tone of, yeah. 48:52.447 --> 48:52.667 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah. 48:52.787 --> 48:53.087 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah. 48:54.448 --> 48:56.310 [SPEAKER_02]: I, I, four eyes are better than two. 48:56.830 --> 48:57.651 [SPEAKER_02]: I have perfect vision. 48:57.671 --> 48:59.533 [SPEAKER_02]: So I'll never know what it's like to do with that. 48:59.633 --> 49:00.574 [SPEAKER_02]: You know what I mean? 49:00.594 --> 49:03.256 [SPEAKER_01]: Well, you took us that long way around. 49:03.296 --> 49:04.517 [SPEAKER_01]: Just so you could point that out. 49:04.537 --> 49:05.157 [SPEAKER_03]: You fucker. 49:05.638 --> 49:08.100 [SPEAKER_03]: I used to call people four legs if they were wearing pants. 49:11.745 --> 49:12.506 [SPEAKER_02]: Great. 49:12.526 --> 49:14.407 [SPEAKER_02]: So you're saying like you were nude. 49:14.547 --> 49:24.794 [SPEAKER_03]: You were done For a panel of losers For legs, really interesting art in this issue. 49:24.834 --> 49:28.416 [SPEAKER_02]: Yes, period I like this. 49:28.696 --> 49:29.637 [SPEAKER_02]: I thought this was cool. 49:29.957 --> 49:34.020 [SPEAKER_02]: I if you're an eye collector check out the the wolf man's stomach. 49:34.140 --> 49:34.980 [SPEAKER_02]: That's where there's one. 49:35.341 --> 49:40.424 [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, yeah But I like that this is it's not giving us what's happening 49:41.563 --> 49:43.886 [SPEAKER_03]: There's a poke quote for the friends of the tree collection. 49:44.327 --> 49:48.673 [SPEAKER_03]: If you're an eye collector, and check out this poke called the eye collector. 49:48.793 --> 49:53.639 [SPEAKER_03]: No, it's not that it's if you're an eye collector, check out the wolf men's stomach. 49:54.637 --> 50:22.220 [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, Justin Tyler, call it, call it, call it, call it, call it, call it, call it, call it, call it, call it, call it, call it, call it, call it, call it, call it, call it, call it, call it, call it, call it, call it, call it, call it, call it, call it, call it, call it, call it, call it, call it, call it, call it, call it, call it, call it, call it, call it, call it, call it, call it, call it, call it, call it, call it, call it, call it, call it, call it, call it, call it, call it, call it, call it, call it, call it, call it, call it, call it, call it, call it, call it, call it, call it, call it, call it, call it, call it, call it, call it, call it, call it, call 50:23.861 --> 50:27.224 [SPEAKER_02]: I do like this book, it is the elements on the table. 50:27.384 --> 50:33.088 [SPEAKER_02]: I don't know how they come together, but there's something this alien on the moon, the one side balls. 50:33.648 --> 50:35.610 [SPEAKER_02]: And I kept it in front of her astronaut. 50:35.690 --> 50:40.934 [SPEAKER_01]: The moon was gonna open up, it looked like an eyelid, you know, the art was like, oh, you think the moon's an eye? 50:41.394 --> 50:47.839 [SPEAKER_01]: Well, I thought that's what the reveal was gonna be, because the way the art made it look like it was just like an eyelid that was closed on the moon. 50:48.385 --> 50:52.307 [SPEAKER_02]: What if you looked it up at the moon from your country home being and it went to you. 50:52.908 --> 50:53.628 [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, my. 50:53.668 --> 50:53.968 [SPEAKER_02]: I guess. 50:54.268 --> 50:55.369 [SPEAKER_01]: I guess I would freak out. 50:55.969 --> 50:56.310 [SPEAKER_02]: There you go. 50:57.170 --> 50:58.071 [SPEAKER_02]: I'm going to make that happen. 50:59.151 --> 50:59.471 [SPEAKER_03]: Wow. 51:00.292 --> 51:01.473 [SPEAKER_03]: That's impressive. 51:02.133 --> 51:04.654 [SPEAKER_03]: Venom 259 from Marvel by Al. 51:04.674 --> 51:07.916 [SPEAKER_03]: You Egg art by Carlos Gomez in this issue. 51:07.956 --> 51:10.998 [SPEAKER_03]: Despite the cover that is showing us Mary Jane getting bread. 51:11.038 --> 51:13.399 [SPEAKER_03]: You've cost was Venom that actually happened last issue. 51:13.860 --> 51:14.320 [SPEAKER_03]: Instead, this 51:14.480 --> 51:19.643 [SPEAKER_03]: This is a set up for, it's still true, she still has the costume, but she doesn't continue to get the costume. 51:20.183 --> 51:38.613 [SPEAKER_03]: Just this issue, she, they're setting up the Queen and Black crossover as she finds out that Null is back and he is coming for Earth, and that's, meanwhile, oh, be while there's a bunch of witch-a-ruse stuff happening with a bunch of other symbiots till it broke once again gets another new costume. 51:39.059 --> 51:59.121 [SPEAKER_01]: I, uh, label this issue fun with cats, uh, yeah, I thought this was a great issue, uh, you know, venom kind of having the old moral talk with kids that that was, uh, was fun, uh, no Pete and MJ stuff, which made me sad, but, uh, great action, great art, uh, fun, Tony reveal at the end. 52:00.153 --> 52:01.454 [SPEAKER_02]: a very Tony reveal. 52:02.054 --> 52:06.356 [SPEAKER_02]: Pete reviews all of his comics as cat fun and no cat fun. 52:06.376 --> 52:07.697 [SPEAKER_02]: Listen for that rating system. 52:07.957 --> 52:08.257 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. 52:08.398 --> 52:09.218 [SPEAKER_02]: I'm going forward. 52:10.419 --> 52:13.860 [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, I like the symbiotic switcheru actually worked here. 52:14.001 --> 52:23.426 [SPEAKER_02]: I thought the Rick Jones being a part of this is a fun character that felt like a guest star, but is actually a side character it turns out and that's cool. 52:24.186 --> 52:50.855 [SPEAKER_03]: I do like the Tony Stark reveal and I like how alewing is being very judicious with the storytelling being like hey you're hired immediately and we have to go do this other thing which is what next issue is and like let's go let's move yeah I really enjoy this as well the one thing that I'll add odd is the detail of bonding with the symbiote is the one thing Rick Jones is not good at being a partner at is a very fun little bit they play in here 52:51.295 --> 52:54.997 [SPEAKER_03]: also play emotionally very nicely like you were touching on Justin. 52:55.037 --> 53:05.261 [SPEAKER_03]: So good series just to sleep dream girls and DC pride event number four from DC comics written by Jatsia Axelrod and Nicole Mayans art by Rosie Kemp and Pratt and Stein. 53:05.562 --> 53:09.523 [SPEAKER_03]: It's the final issue of this event series that's been running for four weeks. 53:10.004 --> 53:13.025 [SPEAKER_03]: As Galaxie and Dreamer battled the key and 53:15.486 --> 53:22.431 [SPEAKER_03]: deal with their identities in the Justice League, whether they want to be in the Justice League, whether they want to be heroes, what they want to do next. 53:22.932 --> 53:28.336 [SPEAKER_03]: And meanwhile, we also get a backup story from Clouse Jensen, an autobiographical story. 53:28.776 --> 53:38.824 [SPEAKER_03]: And just to start with that for a second, man, every year they do these, they had one from Phil, it meant as they had another one from, oh my gosh, I'm playing, play, you got our name. 53:43.115 --> 53:49.905 [SPEAKER_03]: I was going to use her dead day so I won't use that but Isabella from last year just like these autobiographical stories are 53:50.684 --> 53:52.524 [SPEAKER_03]: really beautifully done. 53:52.544 --> 54:04.667 [SPEAKER_03]: I didn't know any of this about Clash Jensen and I thought it was really nicely told and all three of these stories so far have been, hey here's how super heroes saved me and I love that. 54:04.747 --> 54:11.429 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah just also the use of black and white with the splashes of color for story tell that's really what I'm telling. 54:11.589 --> 54:13.489 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah but the only thing sorry just to throw out 54:21.552 --> 54:33.701 [SPEAKER_02]: I thought this class-jansen story was also fantastic, just worth buying the book alone to see this story that was written drawn by Klaus and just excellent. 54:34.041 --> 54:47.292 [SPEAKER_02]: But I mean, this event has been so good, this is just a really exciting, dynamic, superhero story, where it's, we're getting the Justice League, but it's focused really in undreamer and galaxy, their relationship, and 54:47.912 --> 54:53.577 [SPEAKER_02]: a unique way that they were able to do battle in this, to escape the dream world. 54:54.358 --> 55:05.067 [SPEAKER_02]: And like this is a situation we see a lot where it's, the world is fake and we can control it, but the way it was just used is a little bit of metaphor about taking control of your situation and identity and all of that. 55:05.087 --> 55:06.769 [SPEAKER_02]: Like you said Alex, I thought it was great. 55:07.489 --> 55:26.782 [SPEAKER_01]: Just the art is so all the characters are so emotive and just like pop off the page Also really really fun kind of use of like, you know, we're focused on these two and it was kind of like the camera pans out to reveal the rest of the Justice League there in the room Yeah, who's such a fun kind of a way to kind of tell that story. 55:26.842 --> 55:28.723 [SPEAKER_02]: I thought it was that man's like I messed up 55:29.563 --> 55:35.466 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I missed one of my favorite things though that I'll throw out in this issue and this also played throughout the series. 55:35.887 --> 55:39.248 [SPEAKER_03]: I love dreamers crush on John Kent. 55:39.529 --> 55:43.591 [SPEAKER_03]: That's just such a great romantic thread that's going on. 55:43.611 --> 55:44.591 [SPEAKER_03]: And I really 55:45.792 --> 55:53.234 [SPEAKER_03]: I'm really pulling for them, but I think they've done a nice job, uh, John might not know, and might actually not be interested. 55:53.254 --> 55:54.695 [SPEAKER_03]: It's not what I just said clear. 55:54.815 --> 55:56.756 [SPEAKER_03]: It's clearly coming from dreamers direction. 55:56.836 --> 55:58.436 [SPEAKER_03]: She doesn't want to make the first move. 55:59.276 --> 56:00.637 [SPEAKER_03]: I wanted to work out. 56:00.757 --> 56:04.258 [SPEAKER_03]: I feel the tension there, but keep going. 56:04.338 --> 56:04.878 [SPEAKER_03]: It's going great. 56:05.338 --> 56:05.878 [SPEAKER_03]: Good stuff. 56:06.659 --> 56:06.899 [SPEAKER_02]: Great. 56:06.959 --> 56:07.339 [SPEAKER_02]: Great event. 56:08.039 --> 56:17.462 [SPEAKER_03]: Next up, issue of the century, I think, void rivals number 31 from skybouted image comics by Robert Kirkman, art by Kirkman. 56:17.522 --> 56:22.243 [SPEAKER_03]: He was finally, as you demanded it, it is a all-scoxoid issue. 56:22.663 --> 56:32.766 [SPEAKER_03]: You're, they finally listened to you, they finally, all the letters, all the camping, Dennis camping outside of Robert Kirkman's house has really paid off. 56:33.286 --> 56:46.456 [SPEAKER_03]: This issue where we get a army of scuxoids, fighting another army of scuxoids to see who is going to lead or not the scuxoids, could have been funnier, obviously. 56:46.757 --> 56:47.737 [SPEAKER_03]: What, dude? 56:47.757 --> 56:48.718 [SPEAKER_02]: It's pretty good. 56:48.818 --> 56:51.900 [SPEAKER_01]: Well, underselling this, this is really such a... 56:53.235 --> 57:18.077 [SPEAKER_01]: emotional issue i thought it was such a touching moving issue that you know the battle of the sky so it's in what leadership means and what they mean to each other i thought it was just really such a cool way to kind of tell that story and yeah i was super impressed by this i thought it was very smart and of course uh... the best letter page and comics talk to the android come out uh... the name you mean just the title 57:19.084 --> 57:22.385 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, I mean, the whole thing, but it doesn't solve it. 57:22.825 --> 57:23.325 [SPEAKER_02]: And the letters. 57:23.865 --> 57:24.706 [SPEAKER_01]: Yep. 57:25.026 --> 57:26.506 [SPEAKER_02]: The, I mean, it's interesting. 57:26.526 --> 57:38.430 [SPEAKER_02]: I'm very curious to hear your take Alex as the number one scuxoid fan here, because this took the same essential plot that is told in one to two pages and many issues avoid rivals. 57:38.450 --> 57:40.551 [SPEAKER_02]: And it's like, what if you saw that over 22 pages? 57:42.622 --> 57:52.802 [SPEAKER_02]: where there's sort of a fight or a situation and then a question about what happened to a scuxoid's family, a sad reveal or a sad moment, and then the end. 57:54.806 --> 58:00.889 [SPEAKER_03]: I wanted to like this more just because it has been such a great running bit throughout this entire series. 58:01.069 --> 58:11.475 [SPEAKER_03]: I will big up Connor Hughes in particular because having a wash of characters who look exactly the same could be so boring and it isn't. 58:12.055 --> 58:14.676 [SPEAKER_03]: It's the action is very clear throughout. 58:14.876 --> 58:21.920 [SPEAKER_03]: I was really crazy impressed by that because you have hundreds of scux sides that are all colored the same and all look the same yet. 58:22.360 --> 58:26.122 [SPEAKER_03]: They all pop, and you can follow what's going on in the action the entire time. 58:26.202 --> 58:27.223 [SPEAKER_03]: So that was awesome. 58:27.603 --> 58:32.566 [SPEAKER_03]: The fight is very cool I could have used a couple more side jokes. 58:32.706 --> 58:33.207 [SPEAKER_03]: That's all. 58:33.327 --> 58:51.238 [SPEAKER_03]: Like not even necessarily for the two bait and scuxoids that we have who are having the serious Mono on mono battle, but man that one panel from a couple of months back where it's scuxoids being like and we're going to rebel and there's one scux out of the court is like huh 58:52.038 --> 58:53.098 [SPEAKER_03]: is very funny. 58:53.698 --> 58:59.140 [SPEAKER_03]: All the things we're like, they get cut apart and they're the way that Scott's always worked is you cut out a piece off. 58:59.520 --> 59:04.541 [SPEAKER_03]: It grows into a Scott's side and the first thing they say is my wife and kids hilarious. 59:05.481 --> 59:15.923 [SPEAKER_03]: Well, and I understand the input, I understand the input is to treat it seriously here and I get that but it also needed some humor to light it 59:16.660 --> 59:23.582 [SPEAKER_02]: Well, and I hate to ask for a meta moment in a comic, because I feel like we get too many of those in general. 59:24.042 --> 59:27.983 [SPEAKER_02]: But this feels like it was begging for a, like, hey, do you think this is a joke? 59:28.643 --> 59:31.003 [SPEAKER_02]: This is real to me, a scogsuit. 59:31.403 --> 59:33.604 [SPEAKER_02]: Like my life is crazy. 59:33.824 --> 59:36.905 [SPEAKER_02]: I'm constantly surrounded by other versions of myself. 59:37.645 --> 59:39.945 [SPEAKER_02]: All I care about is my wife and kids. 59:40.005 --> 59:43.586 [SPEAKER_02]: All they care about is their wife and kids, but they're different wife and kids, right? 59:43.946 --> 59:45.527 [SPEAKER_02]: Or like something, like I wanted something 59:46.927 --> 59:49.869 [SPEAKER_02]: called out the elements of the story because it's so interesting. 59:50.189 --> 59:55.993 [SPEAKER_02]: Instead it felt very on this one character doing the sort of hitting the pattern that we know. 59:56.453 --> 01:00:04.258 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, that's said one of the clearest issues in terms of white rivals and a very long time. 01:00:04.358 --> 01:00:06.459 [SPEAKER_03]: So I appreciate it that light on the energy on. 01:00:07.000 --> 01:00:07.140 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah 01:00:08.365 --> 01:00:10.426 [SPEAKER_03]: Hopefully back next issue, I guess we'll see. 01:00:10.526 --> 01:00:20.108 [SPEAKER_03]: Doom Quest, number two from Marvel, written by Ryan North, Archbishop Francesco Mobili, the first of two absolute time travel baggers by Ryan North this week. 01:00:20.668 --> 01:00:28.530 [SPEAKER_03]: But in this, we're gonna get quantum leap situation where Dr. Doom has had a back in time to the Titanic and has to figure out some way 01:00:29.210 --> 01:00:33.253 [SPEAKER_03]: of improving life in a lot of area, otherwise he can't leave. 01:00:33.733 --> 01:00:37.676 [SPEAKER_03]: So he ends up in a situation where he keeps doing the wrong thing. 01:00:37.756 --> 01:00:39.117 [SPEAKER_03]: It's not just a quantum leap. 01:00:39.217 --> 01:00:42.759 [SPEAKER_03]: It's also a ground talk day, and other times he dies or does it wrong. 01:00:43.139 --> 01:00:45.901 [SPEAKER_03]: He goes back to the original start point and tries again. 01:00:46.802 --> 01:00:55.948 [SPEAKER_03]: This is delightful from, I know, I'm stealing Pete's thunder here, but with a taboo gun firing down Gagsters and a little car, 01:00:59.030 --> 01:01:01.774 [SPEAKER_03]: great other cover even more delightful in context. 01:01:02.115 --> 01:01:02.936 [SPEAKER_03]: This is funny. 01:01:02.956 --> 01:01:03.657 [SPEAKER_03]: This is weird. 01:01:03.717 --> 01:01:04.639 [SPEAKER_03]: This is creative. 01:01:05.179 --> 01:01:05.941 [SPEAKER_03]: Um, I love it. 01:01:07.263 --> 01:01:07.583 [SPEAKER_02]: Great. 01:01:07.683 --> 01:01:10.788 [SPEAKER_02]: Just doom inside dooms ahead storytelling here. 01:01:10.808 --> 01:01:14.614 [SPEAKER_02]: Like we get to hear him be like curse unitures and then like 01:01:15.176 --> 01:01:34.537 [SPEAKER_02]: I was like, this guy's being annoying about the lifeboats and stuff like it's Mary, it's very high, high-fi low-fi at the same time, and Ryan North just like has spent a lot of time with Doom, but this feels like maybe a peak storytelling with Doom from Ryan. 01:01:35.460 --> 01:01:40.023 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I liked the quantum leap with Bow with Doom here. 01:01:40.583 --> 01:01:41.824 [SPEAKER_01]: I thought it was fun. 01:01:42.004 --> 01:01:49.869 [SPEAKER_01]: I almost wanted to kind of lean into the fun a little bit more, like I wanted to make a comment about the door situation. 01:01:50.510 --> 01:01:56.473 [SPEAKER_01]: We had from the Titanic movie or something, but I wore fourth wall breaking jerks from Dr. 01:01:56.513 --> 01:01:56.734 [SPEAKER_01]: Deer. 01:01:56.954 --> 01:01:58.375 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, that doesn't seem very good. 01:01:58.395 --> 01:01:59.215 [SPEAKER_02]: No, do the comedian. 01:01:59.675 --> 01:02:03.558 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, well, like your favorite comic book comic characters, 01:02:06.579 --> 01:02:17.044 [SPEAKER_01]: I just felt like it was fun and it was like you know doom giving read a lot of credit for the manness that he's in was kind of fun too. 01:02:18.264 --> 01:02:28.388 [SPEAKER_01]: But then when we kind of got the preview of the next one were Doom's George Washington I was like all right well how long can we keep the joke going there so I think ten issues. 01:02:28.928 --> 01:02:30.329 [SPEAKER_03]: Wow, that's how long it's going. 01:02:30.369 --> 01:02:32.389 [SPEAKER_03]: It's a Ted issue series. 01:02:32.710 --> 01:02:35.531 [SPEAKER_03]: I also want to give a shout out for going crazy dark. 01:02:36.011 --> 01:02:48.095 [SPEAKER_03]: The idea of doom repeatedly slaughtering people, including women and children on that head, Tadak is safely dark premise, but somehow they make it work in here. 01:02:48.416 --> 01:02:49.456 [SPEAKER_02]: So yeah, then 01:02:50.773 --> 01:03:16.839 [SPEAKER_03]: Another meta issue, maybe this gave you the moments that you wanted, Pete, Superman, number 39 from DC Comics by Joshua Williams, it art by Dan Morris, Superboy Prime, is taken inside the pages of a comic starting with infinite crisis and then other situations, as he is tortured by Manchester Black, who has new powers that parallel, Superboy Prime's to take him through these different comic book situations. 01:03:17.980 --> 01:03:28.653 [SPEAKER_03]: The real standout here, I think, is Dad Morris, which jumps through 30 different styles over the course of this book in a crazy way and all of them look exactly correct. 01:03:29.534 --> 01:03:31.657 [SPEAKER_03]: I don't know how he does it all, but he can do it all. 01:03:32.201 --> 01:03:48.310 [SPEAKER_01]: yeah i mean this is a real example of worth it for the art alone i mean this is super tight nanners over here i was really impressed at all the different time periods represented and how great the art looked it was really a real feed of art here that was a super impressive 01:03:49.437 --> 01:03:55.801 [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, I don't agree with you at the art, but I thought Joshua Williams's story was great as well, like it's this is really fun. 01:03:56.041 --> 01:04:04.927 [SPEAKER_02]: I've always had a hard time with Superboy Prime balancing the aspects of him and have it be good and also sympathetic. 01:04:05.407 --> 01:04:19.561 [SPEAKER_02]: And I think they're just crushing it in this arc and I like him as a focus and this felt like maybe the most the biggest issue where the writing and art is coming together for a really memorable, just really great comic. 01:04:21.608 --> 01:04:27.449 [SPEAKER_03]: hit in springs, number two from dark course comics written by Rob Williams, art by Neil Vendrol in the first issue. 01:04:27.469 --> 01:04:31.270 [SPEAKER_03]: We met a bunch of old folks who used to be famous wandering through the woods. 01:04:31.770 --> 01:04:45.693 [SPEAKER_03]: They are lost on a hike when they come upon a baby Kaiju that the US government is afterwards that they find out very quickly through psychic connection will lead to the end of the world if the government gets control of the Kaiju. 01:04:45.833 --> 01:04:49.954 [SPEAKER_03]: That's where we pick up in this issue as we find out more about that and what they're going to do next. 01:04:51.162 --> 01:04:53.203 [SPEAKER_03]: This is a delightful. 01:04:53.563 --> 01:04:54.424 [SPEAKER_03]: I do love this. 01:04:54.544 --> 01:04:55.604 [SPEAKER_03]: I like the characters. 01:04:55.624 --> 01:05:00.287 [SPEAKER_03]: I think they're doing a good job of slowly building them out between two issues. 01:05:00.407 --> 01:05:04.449 [SPEAKER_03]: I do wish the action was moving a little bit quicker, but I love 01:05:09.672 --> 01:05:19.062 [SPEAKER_03]: This feels like a lighter, more fun and mignon-a-book, maybe like a little less mythological and a little sillier. 01:05:20.283 --> 01:05:22.625 [SPEAKER_03]: But yeah, I'm having a nice time reading this. 01:05:22.686 --> 01:05:25.048 [SPEAKER_03]: It's cocoon beats Godzilla essentially. 01:05:25.408 --> 01:05:26.149 [SPEAKER_03]: Oh, wow. 01:05:26.449 --> 01:05:26.970 [SPEAKER_01]: That's fun. 01:05:27.490 --> 01:05:28.632 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I agree. 01:05:28.672 --> 01:05:30.814 [SPEAKER_01]: This is for soft cool cover. 01:05:31.555 --> 01:05:33.897 [SPEAKER_01]: I like the cute alien bug thing. 01:05:34.678 --> 01:05:36.900 [SPEAKER_01]: And he's friends with old people that makes me happy. 01:05:37.621 --> 01:05:44.328 [SPEAKER_01]: But yeah, I think that this is kind of a unique cool world that it's creating and I'm happy to spend more time in it. 01:05:45.376 --> 01:06:03.208 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I was reminded of the Burroughs, the Pernaflix, the Netflix TV, it's a paranormal old person paranormal TV show that I've just finished watching and then was immediately canceled, but similar, I like that there is a little bit more of a comedic tone to this though. 01:06:03.668 --> 01:06:07.773 [SPEAKER_02]: There's a great moment at the end where they're like, this is, we gotta get out of here. 01:06:07.954 --> 01:06:10.237 [SPEAKER_02]: But we need to make this thing smaller and then it just goes. 01:06:10.477 --> 01:06:12.580 [SPEAKER_02]: You put right in front of them and down and trinks down. 01:06:13.141 --> 01:06:13.922 [SPEAKER_02]: So it's fun. 01:06:14.042 --> 01:06:19.349 [SPEAKER_02]: The art is a manual to ask in a way that I think will really speak to the manual of fans out there. 01:06:20.745 --> 01:06:26.307 [SPEAKER_03]: The infernal Hulk, number eight from Everett, by Philip Kettie Johnson, art by Adam Gorham. 01:06:26.427 --> 01:06:34.069 [SPEAKER_03]: Lots of stuff going on here as infernal Hulk is trying to build up his hellish empire on earth. 01:06:34.629 --> 01:06:38.750 [SPEAKER_03]: Meanwhile, the forces of good are rallying against him and trying to figure out what to do. 01:06:39.310 --> 01:06:48.873 [SPEAKER_03]: Now, aided by Bruce Banner, who is back, but cannot become a Hulk again, though they know really ultimately what they need is a good Hulk to fight the bad Hulk. 01:06:49.793 --> 01:06:53.496 [SPEAKER_03]: The only thing that can stop a bad hawk with that is a hawk is a good hawk. 01:06:53.576 --> 01:06:54.296 [SPEAKER_03]: That is a hawk. 01:06:54.596 --> 01:06:55.197 [SPEAKER_03]: I always say. 01:06:55.217 --> 01:07:15.430 [SPEAKER_01]: Yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes 01:07:18.452 --> 01:07:41.117 [SPEAKER_01]: uh... and i like the little friendly goblins uh... yeah i i think that this is really ramping up in such a cool way uh... it was a little confusing that they were like we need a great halk and then they were like scar not you were looking for all i was like oh come on bad he's a cool all quite good with him now he's just a son of all 01:07:42.022 --> 01:07:46.204 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I just feel like I'm really excited for the what's a ramping up here. 01:07:46.324 --> 01:07:51.627 [SPEAKER_01]: Philip Kennedy Johnson is doing a whole of a job and the the art is really fantastic. 01:07:52.567 --> 01:07:53.888 [SPEAKER_01]: She's about to get crazy. 01:07:53.948 --> 01:07:55.949 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm excited for this big showdown. 01:07:55.989 --> 01:07:56.710 [SPEAKER_01]: That is coming. 01:07:57.270 --> 01:08:03.713 [SPEAKER_02]: Leave it to PKJ to just make a massive crossover in the pages of his own comic. 01:08:04.213 --> 01:08:05.934 [SPEAKER_02]: Like bringing in all these characters. 01:08:05.954 --> 01:08:09.256 [SPEAKER_02]: He's done the legwork to establish the infernal hallcast this big bad. 01:08:09.870 --> 01:08:30.890 [SPEAKER_02]: And the situation Bruce Banner's down bad for the last many issues and it's great to see the build up as they start to get it together to see how they're going to finally take down this absolute killer bringing in on these different Avengers and whatnot the arts fantastic in this there's some great just panels of like there's a great scarlet which panel in here that just 01:08:31.510 --> 01:08:32.151 [SPEAKER_02]: Really got me. 01:08:33.292 --> 01:08:34.393 [SPEAKER_02]: I just a great book. 01:08:34.593 --> 01:08:34.873 [SPEAKER_02]: Great book. 01:08:35.193 --> 01:08:56.232 [SPEAKER_03]: Well, and the thing that's crazy about it just to pivot off what you're saying and I don't know if you guys know But there is a Hulk of Ed coming next year and this is not it like he's doing Infernal Hulk it's ending I believe with issue 10 then they're doing infernal Hulk versus over the course of five issues And then they're gonna have Hulk war next year 01:08:56.872 --> 01:09:01.536 [SPEAKER_03]: So yeah, this 100% is the event in the series, but it's not the event yet. 01:09:01.756 --> 01:09:03.478 [SPEAKER_03]: This is just a build up to the event. 01:09:03.818 --> 01:09:05.399 [SPEAKER_02]: But it's still, it's working. 01:09:05.419 --> 01:09:06.801 [SPEAKER_02]: It plays like a big crossover. 01:09:07.141 --> 01:09:07.581 [SPEAKER_02]: Exactly. 01:09:07.861 --> 01:09:08.202 [SPEAKER_03]: Exactly. 01:09:08.462 --> 01:09:10.804 [SPEAKER_03]: So what possibly could be bigger about Hulk war? 01:09:11.064 --> 01:09:11.785 [SPEAKER_03]: I guess we'll find out. 01:09:13.440 --> 01:09:16.102 [SPEAKER_03]: Wonder Woman number 34 from TC Comics. 01:09:16.122 --> 01:09:20.605 [SPEAKER_03]: Stop me if you've heard this one already written by Tom King, art by Danielle Semperi. 01:09:20.725 --> 01:09:31.512 [SPEAKER_03]: In this issue, we're getting the end of act one of Wonder War as Wonder Woman is finally taking on the matriarch and fighting her, Womano, Womano. 01:09:32.332 --> 01:09:40.037 [SPEAKER_03]: While we find out a little bit more about these circumstances around her green lantern ring and what happens next, 01:09:40.518 --> 01:09:43.440 [SPEAKER_03]: leading to the moment that Pete mentioned for the other comic book. 01:09:43.580 --> 01:09:47.982 [SPEAKER_03]: Earlier, Pete, what'd you think about this one? 01:09:49.583 --> 01:09:51.183 [SPEAKER_01]: I was you're having a great time. 01:09:51.404 --> 01:09:54.285 [SPEAKER_01]: And then, yeah, I went to a woman's like, I'm going to kill myself. 01:09:54.345 --> 01:09:56.686 [SPEAKER_01]: And I was like, not cool, bro. 01:09:56.746 --> 01:09:59.127 [SPEAKER_01]: So, I'm excited to see what's going to happen. 01:09:59.147 --> 01:10:01.409 [SPEAKER_01]: And the next issue, and hopefully, you know, 01:10:05.128 --> 01:10:11.631 [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, as the idea here, she's sacrificing herself to erase all of the tragedy that befell all of the DC universe. 01:10:12.892 --> 01:10:18.254 [SPEAKER_02]: But she is killing herself, ostensibly so she will be lost in Hades. 01:10:18.894 --> 01:10:26.818 [SPEAKER_02]: Does that mean it's time for a perhaps daughter, maybe even a father, daughter, to go and try to rescue her soul from the underworld? 01:10:27.427 --> 01:10:28.787 [SPEAKER_02]: that could be a compelling story. 01:10:29.748 --> 01:10:32.108 [SPEAKER_02]: Maybe the arts so good in this. 01:10:32.268 --> 01:10:34.469 [SPEAKER_02]: I love the focus on the green lantern ring. 01:10:34.909 --> 01:10:43.992 [SPEAKER_02]: Something that is like totally out of the Wonder Woman canon, but just Tom King uses it as this metaphor about Willpower that he wants to use here. 01:10:44.892 --> 01:10:44.972 [SPEAKER_02]: And 01:10:45.483 --> 01:10:54.952 [SPEAKER_02]: how the matriarch bends the will, but one woman just has the will, and the purity and goodness to really sustain that will power. 01:10:55.252 --> 01:10:59.837 [SPEAKER_02]: It was just really well done using the elements in the DC universe that are on the table in a new way. 01:11:00.755 --> 01:11:06.420 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, the story point to have Wonder Woman confess. 01:11:06.660 --> 01:11:16.289 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, you don't think any time the greed-latured ring was looking for somebody with these strongest will out of earth that was looking for me was great. 01:11:16.529 --> 01:11:19.211 [SPEAKER_03]: That just like absolutely crushed for me. 01:11:19.231 --> 01:11:23.315 [SPEAKER_03]: And I thought that was such a good continuity play to throw that in there. 01:11:23.355 --> 01:11:24.536 [SPEAKER_03]: That was so nicely done. 01:11:24.996 --> 01:11:26.117 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah. 01:11:26.137 --> 01:11:28.979 [SPEAKER_03]: And I think if you look at the solicits, you know where the story is going. 01:11:28.999 --> 01:11:35.184 [SPEAKER_03]: You also, if you listen to our interview with Todd Kague, you know where the story is going, because he told us months ago. 01:11:35.204 --> 01:11:43.210 [SPEAKER_03]: So we we'll see a little bit of a days of future past scenario off of this going forward. 01:11:44.271 --> 01:11:44.951 [SPEAKER_03]: But there you go. 01:11:45.192 --> 01:11:46.753 [SPEAKER_03]: Well, we'll definitely stay tuned. 01:11:48.116 --> 01:12:08.436 [SPEAKER_03]: Next up, Hornsby and Halo number 14 from Ghost Machine at image comics written by Peter J. Tomassey, Art by Peter Schdieberg, the second part of the unbelievable crossover that began in Trillion Dollar Kid number one, now the Trillion Dollar Kid, who was wearing band-aids on his back in the shape of a tea and not across. 01:12:08.496 --> 01:12:09.497 [SPEAKER_03]: I want to be very 01:12:10.097 --> 01:12:10.477 [SPEAKER_03]: Clary. 01:12:10.737 --> 01:12:12.758 [SPEAKER_01]: That's just a fan of Mr. T. That's all. 01:12:13.058 --> 01:12:13.679 [SPEAKER_03]: Exactly. 01:12:14.039 --> 01:12:14.679 [SPEAKER_03]: And Van Dates. 01:12:15.379 --> 01:12:15.959 [SPEAKER_03]: Which he invented. 01:12:15.979 --> 01:12:16.420 [SPEAKER_03]: He invented. 01:12:16.540 --> 01:12:17.400 [SPEAKER_03]: Outralous Van Dates. 01:12:17.420 --> 01:12:25.083 [SPEAKER_03]: He is a rich kid who is traveling around trying to find his family, and they are connected in some way with the unbelievable, basically, super-powered people in the squirrels. 01:12:25.103 --> 01:12:26.804 [SPEAKER_03]: So the first one sees visiting our horns. 01:12:26.844 --> 01:12:27.624 [SPEAKER_03]: Be in halo. 01:12:28.304 --> 01:12:29.265 [SPEAKER_03]: What do you guys think about this? 01:12:30.023 --> 01:12:37.572 [SPEAKER_01]: I thought this was fun, you know, the rich kids needs H&H bagels to help them figure out if his parents are in heaven or hell. 01:12:37.812 --> 01:12:40.936 [SPEAKER_01]: Great art, fun, fun action. 01:12:41.957 --> 01:12:44.180 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I thought this was a family friendly good time. 01:12:45.650 --> 01:13:00.753 [SPEAKER_02]: This reminds me, this crossover reminds me so much of the ultraverse from back in the 90s, a comic book off-shoot from the Malibu comics universe I want to say that has been lost a time, Marvel acquired them and sort of put them to bed. 01:13:02.215 --> 01:13:28.375 [SPEAKER_02]: But it has that thing of like we're going to connect all of these characters through very specific series of events and Try to emerge with a a more tightly connected universe through these characters and like that's a cool noble pursuit It's interesting to me that this is a year in to these stories like this is the issue 14 of Orange being Halo to be getting into this and I enjoyed it like it is working on me 01:13:31.585 --> 01:13:59.401 [SPEAKER_03]: uh... all right amazing spider band spider-versity number three from marvel written by jordan borris and joe killy art by raffle paras and grandendos we are following the different spider heroes who are not peter parker who all training together under norman osborn and jesska drew spider woman this issue not only does the ring ringmaster ringmaster of christen ringmaster from the circus of crime well i'm really not on at this episode 01:13:59.941 --> 01:14:16.348 [SPEAKER_03]: show up but also we get them having a little band gig they have a band that they put together with spider-quen and silk and we get to see the play and miles puts out a funny bus dash so you can sneak in as the roadie and it's all very cute and fun. 01:14:18.138 --> 01:14:19.099 [SPEAKER_01]: I agree with all of that. 01:14:19.239 --> 01:14:23.062 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, uh, you know, uh, I think you underplayed the top hat a little bit. 01:14:23.082 --> 01:14:28.205 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, that was pretty sinister, but, uh, other than that, what he did sinister about the top hat people. 01:14:28.786 --> 01:14:30.467 [SPEAKER_01]: Uh, I would say that this way. 01:14:30.527 --> 01:14:31.808 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, the spiral swirly. 01:14:31.948 --> 01:14:32.188 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. 01:14:32.208 --> 01:14:34.470 [SPEAKER_02]: I find that to be the goofiest part of the top hat. 01:14:34.830 --> 01:14:35.351 [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, really. 01:14:36.031 --> 01:14:39.394 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, because it looks like it's, um, like taped to it. 01:14:40.794 --> 01:14:47.976 [SPEAKER_01]: You know, it's like a very like, well, I think it's because it can spin, you know, I mean, that's why it's got that kind of pop out taped look, do you know what I mean? 01:14:48.457 --> 01:14:49.297 [SPEAKER_02]: Does it spin? 01:14:49.397 --> 01:14:50.297 [SPEAKER_02]: Is it mechanical? 01:14:50.357 --> 01:15:03.041 [SPEAKER_02]: Is it like a like, wiiieieieieieieieieieieieieieieieieieieieieieieieieieieieieieieieieieieieieieieieieieieieieieieieieieieieieieieieieieieieieieieieieieieieieieieieieieieieieieieieieieieieieieieieieieieieieieieieieieieieieieieieieieieieieieieieieieieieieieieieieieieieieieieieieieieieieieieieieieieieieieieieieieieieieieieieieieieieieie 01:15:07.267 --> 01:15:14.075 [SPEAKER_02]: Um, I like that he picked up some frat brothers to be his, uh, his clowns for this. 01:15:14.295 --> 01:15:20.542 [SPEAKER_02]: And yes, I really enjoyed the band gig, um, thread to bear is a band that I'm just, uh, into now. 01:15:21.123 --> 01:15:21.543 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah. 01:15:21.563 --> 01:15:22.785 [SPEAKER_02]: Also, the mustache was great. 01:15:23.365 --> 01:15:24.306 [SPEAKER_03]: Mustache was great. 01:15:24.566 --> 01:15:36.216 [SPEAKER_03]: This cover is weird, though, because there is this overarching thing about the carnage cockroach that survived after the death spiral crossover that has meant to say the school. 01:15:36.657 --> 01:15:39.760 [SPEAKER_03]: If carnage of the cover here, but it doesn't really show up until the end. 01:15:39.840 --> 01:15:40.100 [SPEAKER_03]: So, 01:15:41.186 --> 01:15:44.532 [SPEAKER_03]: after a shooting, they made these covers in advance. 01:15:44.893 --> 01:15:48.699 [SPEAKER_01]: But otherwise, the stuff inside the cover is pretty. 01:15:48.839 --> 01:15:54.289 [SPEAKER_01]: I thought you were going to say something crazy about cockroaches for a second, the way you were setting that up, I was not. 01:15:55.390 --> 01:16:12.513 [SPEAKER_03]: Bizarro, you're none, number two, from DC Comics, written by Kevin Smith, at Eric Carasco, Art by Dick Petara, this continuing the origin story of Bizarro, as Jimmy Olson and Perry White have been taken to the Bizarro planet and forced to work for a changed version of the Daily Planet. 01:16:12.974 --> 01:16:20.375 [SPEAKER_03]: This is also a very different, very menacing Bizarro, versus the silly Bizarro that we know and potentially love. 01:16:21.032 --> 01:16:22.233 [SPEAKER_03]: What do you guys think about this? 01:16:22.253 --> 01:16:27.036 [SPEAKER_03]: I think we're a little mixed on the first issue if I remember, but how do you feel about issue number two? 01:16:27.336 --> 01:16:29.017 [SPEAKER_01]: I really love the art. 01:16:29.758 --> 01:16:35.141 [SPEAKER_01]: It's such an interesting vibe that's kind of creepy and like different. 01:16:35.201 --> 01:16:41.865 [SPEAKER_01]: There's like a cartooniness to it, but that kind of gives this vibe like anything can happen, but then a kind of creepiness. 01:16:41.905 --> 01:16:46.488 [SPEAKER_01]: So I think it's really impressive tone that is set for this whole kind of 01:16:49.970 --> 01:16:53.071 [SPEAKER_01]: Awesome, I think it kind of gives it a new and freshness. 01:16:54.331 --> 01:16:59.053 [SPEAKER_01]: But man, what a fucked up way to end this issue. 01:16:59.093 --> 01:17:03.694 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, the way they, what they did to Lewis in this was really, really messed up. 01:17:03.774 --> 01:17:06.135 [SPEAKER_01]: And I wish I didn't have that in my head. 01:17:06.635 --> 01:17:09.056 [SPEAKER_01]: To be fair, she's not high as she's lowest. 01:17:09.556 --> 01:17:09.776 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah. 01:17:10.476 --> 01:17:11.157 [SPEAKER_02]: He had it, didn't it? 01:17:11.317 --> 01:17:11.617 [SPEAKER_02]: Wow. 01:17:12.897 --> 01:17:17.319 [SPEAKER_02]: This is like an adult swim cartoon of Superman. 01:17:19.179 --> 01:17:22.440 [SPEAKER_02]: in a way that I think is, that's a good idea, like that's cool. 01:17:23.741 --> 01:17:31.865 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, the story isn't exactly working for me, but I do love Nick Petarras art, and I will read anything that he draws. 01:17:33.615 --> 01:17:37.098 [SPEAKER_03]: Red Roots, number three for Babes Comics by Lorenzo D. Felici. 01:17:37.158 --> 01:17:47.005 [SPEAKER_03]: We are following two folks who have been taken to a strange fantasy world where they're being told that they're going to need to fight in a rena or something along those lines. 01:17:47.165 --> 01:17:48.666 [SPEAKER_03]: This issue that finally happens. 01:17:49.327 --> 01:17:52.969 [SPEAKER_03]: And they discovered just what that beads and how horrible it is. 01:17:53.269 --> 01:17:55.531 [SPEAKER_03]: The first issue was absolutely wild. 01:17:55.631 --> 01:17:57.813 [SPEAKER_03]: Second issue I think generally we liked. 01:17:58.554 --> 01:18:02.105 [SPEAKER_03]: Um, but felt like it slowed down or focused a little bit more. 01:18:02.125 --> 01:18:03.730 [SPEAKER_03]: How are you feeling three issues it? 01:18:04.763 --> 01:18:05.363 [SPEAKER_02]: It's wild to me. 01:18:05.403 --> 01:18:15.369 [SPEAKER_02]: I feel like on our Patreon discord, this comic went from being like so loved in the first issue, to like, what have they done in the second issue? 01:18:16.169 --> 01:18:28.676 [SPEAKER_02]: And the third issue doesn't really square the two, I thought maybe it was gonna be like wild premise and then strange reveal in the second issue and then we square off both of these ideas in the third issue. 01:18:29.056 --> 01:18:30.897 [SPEAKER_02]: And this third issue is just continuing 01:18:34.939 --> 01:18:37.980 [SPEAKER_02]: Last issue, so I don't know what's happening. 01:18:38.160 --> 01:18:39.260 [SPEAKER_02]: I don't know where this is going. 01:18:39.400 --> 01:18:46.502 [SPEAKER_02]: I do like the art And I'm definitely following the actionist just we've been giving no context for the story Yeah, right. 01:18:47.062 --> 01:18:50.462 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I think I just kind of jumping with Justin was saying here. 01:18:50.482 --> 01:18:56.944 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, like I mean even there are characters in the comic Who are like hey, what's going on and it's like yeah, shut up. 01:18:56.964 --> 01:19:02.305 [SPEAKER_01]: Don't worry about it We got a jumping in this pit and then fight to the death and then you're like, oh, okay 01:19:03.785 --> 01:19:28.430 [SPEAKER_01]: But I do like, yeah, I'm not sure what's going on, but I do like the pace and I also do like all the action and it's a kind of an interesting world and I think it also ends in a cool place so It would be nice to have a little bit more context, but yeah, I just think it's a unique enough that I'm ruling to roll with it a little bit more Beads rolling 01:19:28.986 --> 01:19:30.587 [SPEAKER_03]: Pete's wrong and I'm rollin' out. 01:19:30.607 --> 01:19:31.447 [SPEAKER_03]: That's his trolling. 01:19:32.087 --> 01:19:33.888 [SPEAKER_03]: I know, I gorgeous hard. 01:19:33.908 --> 01:19:34.908 [SPEAKER_03]: I agree with you guys. 01:19:35.028 --> 01:19:37.589 [SPEAKER_03]: I think there could have been paystop a little bit. 01:19:37.709 --> 01:19:38.729 [SPEAKER_03]: It's what we're getting at. 01:19:38.889 --> 01:19:47.932 [SPEAKER_03]: That the first issue packs so many insane wild things in there, that to then sort of push them to aside for a while, is something that maybe you could do it like. 01:19:49.095 --> 01:19:59.704 [SPEAKER_03]: the second or third episode of a TV show, but even there you need to pace out your mysteries a little bit better so that you're continuing to throw that hook out there and that's not where we're getting here. 01:19:59.744 --> 01:20:02.926 [SPEAKER_03]: Instead, we're getting like Pete was saying these two characters are like, huh? 01:20:03.387 --> 01:20:03.607 [SPEAKER_03]: What? 01:20:04.308 --> 01:20:04.628 [SPEAKER_03]: All right. 01:20:05.689 --> 01:20:07.070 [SPEAKER_03]: So maybe next issue, we'll see. 01:20:07.570 --> 01:20:12.733 [SPEAKER_03]: The Flash, number 34 from DC Comics, written by Ryan North, art by Gavin Greedry. 01:20:12.993 --> 01:20:22.418 [SPEAKER_03]: And this issue, the Flash is dealing with his new power, which he calls flashes of insight, which he thinks is allowing him to see into the future, but after consulting with Mr. 01:20:22.458 --> 01:20:28.001 [SPEAKER_03]: Terrific, it may be more about judging probabilities and being able to make that happen. 01:20:28.361 --> 01:20:33.944 [SPEAKER_03]: They experimented with it a little bit, and also he used it to stop an invasion from Gorilla City, 01:20:34.604 --> 01:20:47.880 [SPEAKER_03]: Not only is this a great choosy-roader venture style fractal cover, but also it has what of the wilder double-page spreads that does this in an even bigger way, midway through this issue. 01:20:48.380 --> 01:20:53.907 [SPEAKER_03]: Like I said earlier, another banger-time travel-esque issue for Brian North in the same week. 01:20:54.527 --> 01:20:56.309 [SPEAKER_01]: Get out of my, oh, sorry. 01:20:56.329 --> 01:20:56.589 [SPEAKER_01]: Good. 01:20:57.170 --> 01:20:58.611 [SPEAKER_01]: It's gonna say get out of my head, man. 01:20:58.631 --> 01:21:00.012 [SPEAKER_01]: I wrote down to my notes. 01:21:00.052 --> 01:21:02.915 [SPEAKER_01]: Choose your own adventure Yeah, I agree. 01:21:02.955 --> 01:21:09.580 [SPEAKER_01]: This is this is awesome, and You know fun with gorilla grad here where you're trying different things out. 01:21:09.701 --> 01:21:10.741 [SPEAKER_01]: I think that's a great 01:21:11.542 --> 01:21:20.506 [SPEAKER_01]: That's one of the cool things about Flash that sometimes is an explored because he's so fast, he does have time to kind of trial and error things. 01:21:20.566 --> 01:21:21.266 [SPEAKER_01]: You know what I mean? 01:21:21.326 --> 01:21:28.729 [SPEAKER_01]: So I feel like this was dealt with in a cool way in this artistically and from a kind of a plot point standpoint. 01:21:28.749 --> 01:21:31.590 [SPEAKER_01]: So yeah, I was impressed by this. 01:21:32.250 --> 01:21:34.071 [SPEAKER_03]: Do you ever choose your own adventure, guys? 01:21:34.771 --> 01:21:35.091 [SPEAKER_03]: always. 01:21:35.811 --> 01:21:37.712 [SPEAKER_03]: No, I have a guy who does it for me. 01:21:38.192 --> 01:21:38.832 [SPEAKER_03]: Oh, wow. 01:21:39.213 --> 01:21:40.733 [SPEAKER_02]: You can tell me your adventure. 01:21:40.973 --> 01:21:42.994 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, we call it your boss at work, right? 01:21:43.794 --> 01:21:44.714 [UNKNOWN]: Uh-huh. 01:21:45.635 --> 01:21:48.416 [SPEAKER_03]: By the way, I know I've been big uping Ryan North. 01:21:48.476 --> 01:21:52.117 [SPEAKER_03]: I just wanted to give a shout out to Gavin Grigery on the art as well. 01:21:52.297 --> 01:21:57.379 [SPEAKER_03]: When we hand the team back on the show, he talked a lot about covers and his thoughts on covers. 01:21:57.979 --> 01:21:59.780 [SPEAKER_03]: And I think that pays off here. 01:21:59.860 --> 01:22:02.901 [SPEAKER_03]: He really wants to be able to tell a story with them not 01:22:04.161 --> 01:22:08.625 [SPEAKER_03]: just make it like here's the character period and that's it and that's what you get here. 01:22:09.125 --> 01:22:16.751 [SPEAKER_03]: Also, there's no way that multi path to page splash would work without his incredible and clear art. 01:22:17.211 --> 01:22:21.034 [SPEAKER_03]: So just a great book artistically as well as writing one. 01:22:21.054 --> 01:22:21.334 [SPEAKER_03]: Yes. 01:22:21.374 --> 01:22:21.935 [SPEAKER_03]: So fun. 01:22:22.195 --> 01:22:22.575 [SPEAKER_03]: Right. 01:22:23.216 --> 01:22:24.817 [SPEAKER_03]: Breath of fresh air in the stack. 01:22:26.201 --> 01:22:55.658 [SPEAKER_03]: Farrell number 24 for the huge comics written by Tony Fleece art by Trish Forstner and Tony Rodriguez once again in this arc where we're finding our stray cats in the middle of a CDC experiment to find out why animals are going out of control We get on the flip side these stray dogs characters are also in this kennel and being experimented on That's where we pick up here when they finally beat in the middle at the end leading into the 25th issue of ferrell 01:22:55.998 --> 01:23:02.924 [SPEAKER_03]: But I'm still 100% convinced is going to turn out to be a prequel in some way to the walk you did, but I guess we'll see. 01:23:03.524 --> 01:23:04.925 [SPEAKER_03]: What did you think about this issue though? 01:23:05.566 --> 01:23:09.469 [SPEAKER_02]: Well, let me ask you Pete, I'm on the on the cats to no cat scale. 01:23:09.509 --> 01:23:10.149 [SPEAKER_02]: Where does this thing? 01:23:11.162 --> 01:23:12.183 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I mean, that's the thing. 01:23:12.203 --> 01:23:15.224 [SPEAKER_01]: We start off a big cat, you know what I mean? 01:23:15.324 --> 01:23:17.205 [SPEAKER_01]: And then by the end, it's big dog. 01:23:17.285 --> 01:23:20.166 [SPEAKER_01]: So, you know, you've got to find out what team you're on here. 01:23:20.226 --> 01:23:27.750 [SPEAKER_01]: And you've got to, you've got to be right to turn your iPad upside down, or if you're reading it hard, you know, you've got to be flipping the round on this. 01:23:27.810 --> 01:23:29.851 [SPEAKER_01]: So, this is fun. 01:23:29.871 --> 01:23:31.792 [SPEAKER_01]: You've got to be Tony Felyson Kidney with this. 01:23:31.812 --> 01:23:35.334 [SPEAKER_01]: This is a cool crossover event in world style. 01:23:35.434 --> 01:23:35.874 [SPEAKER_01]: And, uh, 01:23:36.314 --> 01:23:40.258 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I'm having a great time with this, and the story is amazing. 01:23:41.800 --> 01:23:44.322 [SPEAKER_01]: Tugs of your heartstrings was also fantastic. 01:23:45.143 --> 01:23:50.328 [SPEAKER_02]: So I guess in the edit, we'll narrow your answer down to just cats. 01:23:50.669 --> 01:23:51.029 [SPEAKER_03]: Yep. 01:23:51.850 --> 01:23:52.070 [SPEAKER_02]: Right. 01:23:52.551 --> 01:23:55.814 [SPEAKER_03]: People, let me ask you a question actually, because I don't own any pets. 01:23:55.894 --> 01:23:58.617 [SPEAKER_03]: If you flip over a cat, is it a dog? 01:23:59.903 --> 01:24:08.737 [SPEAKER_03]: No, no, no, no, just like a regular cat like if you flip it upside down give the flip it in the air Oh, okay, all right, yeah, it all 01:24:14.108 --> 01:24:28.121 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, this is great, there's the experimentation of putting Ferrell and Stray Dogs as these flip-around half issues in here is so smart and it's a risk. 01:24:28.221 --> 01:24:31.344 [SPEAKER_02]: I know it seems like a good choice. 01:24:31.384 --> 01:24:33.005 [SPEAKER_02]: Just like a fun creative choice to us. 01:24:33.505 --> 01:24:37.449 [SPEAKER_02]: Like people may not be reading, I mean, not of red Stray Dogs at all. 01:24:37.489 --> 01:24:39.691 [SPEAKER_02]: So like it's still a risk to make this a 01:24:40.051 --> 01:24:52.934 [SPEAKER_02]: What it is and change the format completely and bring it into this 25th issue where I assume we're going to be combining the stories And I just think it's working so well, and I continue to love this little pocket universe. 01:24:52.954 --> 01:24:53.494 [SPEAKER_02]: They've created. 01:24:53.594 --> 01:24:59.716 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I mean somebody could be You know tuning into this just for the cats, you know what I mean and then be like oh dogs. 01:24:59.936 --> 01:25:00.476 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm out of here 01:25:01.707 --> 01:25:03.309 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah. 01:25:03.329 --> 01:25:06.332 [SPEAKER_02]: Greenland characters especially are like give me out of here the dogs. 01:25:06.392 --> 01:25:06.973 [SPEAKER_02]: I hate dogs. 01:25:07.333 --> 01:25:07.514 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah. 01:25:07.574 --> 01:25:07.874 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah. 01:25:08.495 --> 01:25:10.217 [SPEAKER_03]: Greenland turned number 36 from T.C. 01:25:10.257 --> 01:25:14.061 [SPEAKER_03]: Comics written by Jeremy Adams, art by Igguara and Montos. 01:25:14.281 --> 01:25:19.747 [SPEAKER_03]: We are dealing with Kyle Rainer and Odyssey being in LA. 01:25:19.887 --> 01:25:21.810 [SPEAKER_03]: She is becoming a Hollywood star. 01:25:22.310 --> 01:25:45.546 [SPEAKER_03]: And when we pick up, we are dealing with an alien plastic surgeon they have to battle as well as the reemergence of Jade cow renters, ex-girlfriend and maybe future girlfriend I guess we'll see and then actually take care of the plastic surgeon we get a bunch of evil fast food chain mascots who are also probably aliens with powers. 01:25:46.326 --> 01:25:50.069 [SPEAKER_03]: Um, I'm having a really good time reading this book. 01:25:50.309 --> 01:25:57.294 [SPEAKER_03]: I love that he is mostly done in one, but sort of folding over the months adventures, that's such a great pattern. 01:25:57.434 --> 01:26:04.538 [SPEAKER_03]: I think that's a lot of fun, a Odyssey, and Kyle are really good as friends. 01:26:04.658 --> 01:26:06.420 [SPEAKER_03]: I like the heat between Kyle and Jade. 01:26:06.720 --> 01:26:07.600 [SPEAKER_03]: Fun stuff. 01:26:07.881 --> 01:26:08.181 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. 01:26:08.281 --> 01:26:09.302 [SPEAKER_01]: It's some real heat. 01:26:09.722 --> 01:26:11.083 [SPEAKER_02]: You can feel it through the panels. 01:26:11.863 --> 01:26:13.164 [SPEAKER_02]: It's hot panels. 01:26:13.985 --> 01:26:15.346 [SPEAKER_02]: This story is weird. 01:26:15.486 --> 01:26:18.808 [SPEAKER_02]: Every time I open, I'm like, yes, right to this plastic surgeon. 01:26:19.149 --> 01:26:24.753 [SPEAKER_02]: And then you get the five nights at Freddy's Ask mascot's coming through here, which is wild. 01:26:25.153 --> 01:26:31.818 [SPEAKER_02]: But at the same time, it's grounded by this great like romance series of romantic scenes between him and Jade. 01:26:32.399 --> 01:26:33.740 [SPEAKER_02]: I love Kyle. 01:26:33.980 --> 01:26:38.703 [SPEAKER_02]: I've said that before, but it's great to see him back potentially with Jade. 01:26:39.683 --> 01:26:47.307 [SPEAKER_02]: And I like that he is, you know, one of the more powerful green lanterns, but he's also like sort of a mediocre Hollywood bodyguard at the same time. 01:26:48.627 --> 01:26:56.231 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, you got some real starts off with some real body horse shit and then things kind of get crazier from there to believe that. 01:26:56.331 --> 01:27:08.697 [SPEAKER_01]: But yeah, the the Kiss and Panel was really fantastic and will earn that that really kind of tugged on the hard strings and all the right ways, but great art and great to see those two together. 01:27:09.937 --> 01:27:18.520 [SPEAKER_03]: Parallel of the brutal dark and as her cane mystery number five from DC comics written by Chris Condon art by Jacob Phillips in this issue blimp fight. 01:27:19.280 --> 01:27:21.381 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah blimp fight. 01:27:22.241 --> 01:27:25.202 [SPEAKER_02]: Blimp fight gang. 01:27:26.023 --> 01:27:30.364 [SPEAKER_02]: I This issue it's great everyone of these issues has been fantastic. 01:27:30.484 --> 01:27:38.067 [SPEAKER_02]: This is the most rocketeer Anything and I was like, yes, I love that movie and it felt like 01:27:38.547 --> 01:27:46.377 [SPEAKER_02]: The climactic scene of that movie between the Nazi stuff, the blimp stuff, the knockdown dragout, fight that we get in this. 01:27:47.999 --> 01:27:50.422 [SPEAKER_02]: I thought this was excellent from the writing to the art. 01:27:50.502 --> 01:27:52.685 [SPEAKER_02]: I think this series has been just very, very good. 01:27:53.357 --> 01:27:54.078 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I agree. 01:27:54.138 --> 01:27:57.200 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, this continues to be fantastic. 01:27:57.760 --> 01:27:58.901 [SPEAKER_01]: Cool back matter. 01:27:59.001 --> 01:28:05.867 [SPEAKER_01]: This is just really amazing art, fun storytelling, tons of action, evil robot Nazis. 01:28:05.947 --> 01:28:06.907 [SPEAKER_01]: This book has everything. 01:28:06.967 --> 01:28:11.071 [SPEAKER_01]: It leans into the action tropes in such a great way. 01:28:11.331 --> 01:28:15.914 [SPEAKER_01]: And yeah, if this was an animated TV show, I would watch every episode. 01:28:15.954 --> 01:28:16.875 [SPEAKER_01]: This is fantastic. 01:28:17.963 --> 01:28:21.506 [SPEAKER_01]: I would skip one in the middle, but otherwise because he might fall asleep. 01:28:21.726 --> 01:28:22.627 [SPEAKER_03]: He might fall asleep. 01:28:22.947 --> 01:28:23.207 [SPEAKER_03]: It's hard. 01:28:23.307 --> 01:28:24.188 [SPEAKER_03]: Watch you binge watching. 01:28:24.208 --> 01:28:24.568 [SPEAKER_03]: Wait a minute. 01:28:24.588 --> 01:28:25.829 [SPEAKER_03]: Just a filler episode. 01:28:25.869 --> 01:28:26.470 [SPEAKER_03]: I mean, come on. 01:28:26.970 --> 01:28:33.055 [SPEAKER_03]: Superman, father of tomorrow, number two from DC Comics, by Kenny Porter, art by Danny Earl's. 01:28:33.095 --> 01:28:46.385 [SPEAKER_03]: There's an else world's book that follows what if Joel came to earth instead of Cal L and in this issue, he's fighting a bunch of folks, including teaming up and then fighting Lex Luther and we go from there. 01:28:47.576 --> 01:28:53.558 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I guess this is the tie-in-to-father's day, and there was Sunday happy belated to you guys. 01:28:53.618 --> 01:28:56.158 [SPEAKER_01]: But yeah, I really love the art style here. 01:28:57.339 --> 01:29:03.300 [SPEAKER_01]: Had such a cool kind of new feel, but also had an old school that makes any sense. 01:29:03.360 --> 01:29:04.100 [SPEAKER_01]: It's very unique. 01:29:04.180 --> 01:29:06.101 [SPEAKER_01]: It really pulled me in, which was great. 01:29:07.001 --> 01:29:13.723 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, love the action, and also love the Constantine last-man review, baby! 01:29:14.703 --> 01:29:17.815 [SPEAKER_02]: Lex Luther can find a way to be a dick, any which way. 01:29:18.076 --> 01:29:18.558 [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, yeah. 01:29:18.799 --> 01:29:19.843 [SPEAKER_02]: And having, um, 01:29:21.153 --> 01:29:42.784 [SPEAKER_02]: Joel B, the Superman character here, makes it such a more interesting rivalry between them as opposed to the sort of very oddering that Lex does to Superman to Calel, and this it's like a little bit more of just like almost dudes competing with each other on what Lex seems to think as an even playing field. 01:29:42.804 --> 01:29:45.965 [SPEAKER_02]: So I don't know that was interesting and the Constantine revealed at the end 01:29:49.707 --> 01:29:53.490 [SPEAKER_02]: and not of not something I expected to have happened in these pages. 01:29:54.911 --> 01:30:01.936 [SPEAKER_03]: Last but not least, Swamp Thing 89, number three from DC Comics, written by Rick Veech, art by Tom Manjurek. 01:30:02.056 --> 01:30:08.080 [SPEAKER_03]: Here Swamp Thing has gone back before the beginning of time to find out his origins in the origins of the DC universe. 01:30:08.541 --> 01:30:18.448 [SPEAKER_03]: As a slowly works his way back to the present, meanwhile in the present, Abigail Arcane is giving birth to their child with some complications I would say. 01:30:19.429 --> 01:30:29.947 [SPEAKER_03]: And a bunch of other things are going on at the same time, this is the most vertigo book that DC is publishing and we just recently two books back talked about a vertigo book. 01:30:30.388 --> 01:30:35.371 [SPEAKER_03]: even though it is under the plaque label labeling, it's crazy. 01:30:35.491 --> 01:30:40.334 [SPEAKER_03]: Like this feels exactly like a lost vertical book in a wild way. 01:30:40.574 --> 01:30:41.615 [SPEAKER_02]: Well, I mean, that's what it is. 01:30:41.635 --> 01:30:43.275 [SPEAKER_02]: It's a lost vertical book. 01:30:43.295 --> 01:30:50.380 [SPEAKER_03]: So like, but this never got drawn or put together before, like this only existed as far as Rick Beach explained. 01:30:50.400 --> 01:30:52.921 [SPEAKER_03]: And like, I don't even think he wrote a script for it. 01:30:53.361 --> 01:30:55.062 [SPEAKER_03]: He just cut it out of the outline. 01:30:55.182 --> 01:30:57.744 [SPEAKER_03]: So the fact that this is a new, 01:30:59.376 --> 01:31:00.757 [SPEAKER_03]: book that is coming out. 01:31:00.817 --> 01:31:02.438 [SPEAKER_03]: That way is wild to me. 01:31:02.458 --> 01:31:03.598 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, he didn't have a script. 01:31:03.618 --> 01:31:04.459 [SPEAKER_01]: He lived this. 01:31:04.499 --> 01:31:06.500 [SPEAKER_01]: This is just this story of a dog. 01:31:06.540 --> 01:31:07.580 [SPEAKER_01]: He went to the source. 01:31:07.820 --> 01:31:09.121 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and he went to this. 01:31:09.421 --> 01:31:10.822 [SPEAKER_01]: He went to the tripped out source. 01:31:10.842 --> 01:31:12.963 [SPEAKER_01]: Well, and he's like Harvey Peacar. 01:31:15.044 --> 01:31:16.525 [SPEAKER_01]: He wants to save his wife and child. 01:31:17.005 --> 01:31:17.785 [SPEAKER_01]: Swamps blender. 01:31:18.325 --> 01:31:24.989 [SPEAKER_02]: The fact that this is like Alex is saying that this has been made today, but feels so perfectly timed to the past. 01:31:25.029 --> 01:31:25.609 [SPEAKER_02]: I thought I 01:31:28.159 --> 01:31:28.980 [SPEAKER_02]: It's a great story. 01:31:29.040 --> 01:31:41.746 [SPEAKER_02]: It's that trippy kind of swamp thing story that we just don't quite get in this in the same style So definitely worth checking out and the cover is We also don't really see covers like this anymore, and that's for you. 01:31:41.766 --> 01:31:57.073 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it is very dope Yeah, it really does a great job of feeling like the 80s and today's time And those two arms the evil and good arm wrestling Through our all of time is very tripped out concept that is still burned in my brain 01:31:58.077 --> 01:32:11.807 [SPEAKER_03]: And we've also said this every issue, but the nostalgic letters page checklist and the ads and everything is insane, like seeing all that stuff pop up is just absolutely wild. 01:32:11.867 --> 01:32:13.609 [SPEAKER_03]: So shout out to them for putting together. 01:32:14.209 --> 01:32:15.510 [SPEAKER_03]: an amazing package here. 01:32:16.111 --> 01:32:17.312 [SPEAKER_03]: And that is it for the stack. 01:32:17.352 --> 01:32:22.015 [SPEAKER_03]: If you'd like to support the show in all the shows, we do patreon.com slash comic book club also do a live show. 01:32:22.115 --> 01:32:25.218 [SPEAKER_03]: Every Tuesday night at 7 p.m. to YouTube, come hang out. 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