WEBVTT 00:00.071 --> 00:02.312 [SPEAKER_02]: Welcome to the baseball insider is happy Wednesday. 00:02.412 --> 00:07.455 [SPEAKER_02]: I'm Adam Weiner, joined as always by fans at a donate insider rubber Murray and Sports Oster. 00:07.515 --> 00:08.035 [SPEAKER_02]: It's an Excel. 00:08.055 --> 00:13.438 [SPEAKER_02]: Be joining us today on this midweek show to break down the latest, the latest rumors. 00:13.498 --> 00:16.419 [SPEAKER_02]: The Cubs pitching desperation has gotten more dire. 00:16.739 --> 00:18.560 [SPEAKER_02]: Kyle Tucker, does he need a reset? 00:18.720 --> 00:22.402 [SPEAKER_02]: Is $60 million enough for the production that he is given the Los Angeles Islander. 00:22.602 --> 00:44.290 [SPEAKER_02]: Should we pay Kyle Tucker more midseason for no reason plus the twins once again want you to know Byron bucks to not available and trade so is he available and trade and the Raphael Devers situation We're gonna do I think Devers every show from this point forward until he is either moved or gives him more formal apology in writing Signs it stamp it dates it puts it in the mercury tribune 00:44.870 --> 00:46.911 [SPEAKER_02]: Thank you everyone for joining us again. 00:47.471 --> 01:02.956 [SPEAKER_02]: The baseball insider's newsletter reminder you can get that direct liver directly to your inbox I gotta do a skin that QR code on the screen as it appears also join us in the discord get your questions in if you're in all star We'll answer your questions first though as I said on the last show We actually answer my questions first, so you come after me. 01:03.116 --> 01:07.638 [SPEAKER_02]: I ask questions and then I'll read your questions So like sorry, I get priority with another people get 01:07.958 --> 01:17.915 [SPEAKER_02]: Secondary priority and that's still pretty good so we love to see in there ahead of the trade deadline ahead of all star ahead of all that good stuff plenty coming up uh first of all I'm very welcome to show hello how are you? 01:18.815 --> 01:19.536 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm doing great. 01:19.576 --> 01:20.897 [SPEAKER_01]: It feels good to be here with you. 01:21.057 --> 01:21.638 [SPEAKER_01]: We got Nick. 01:21.658 --> 01:23.159 [SPEAKER_01]: We got Adam, and you know what? 01:23.259 --> 01:26.442 [SPEAKER_01]: You are so much better at the entrance than I am, so you know what? 01:26.722 --> 01:27.903 [SPEAKER_01]: It's great to have you here. 01:27.943 --> 01:29.925 [SPEAKER_01]: If I just got, I got to say, I'm buzzing. 01:29.945 --> 01:31.927 [SPEAKER_01]: This is a second time when you back life is good. 01:32.427 --> 01:33.788 [SPEAKER_01]: Having Nick here, I'm super proud. 01:33.808 --> 01:35.490 [SPEAKER_01]: We got a lot to talk about with ball. 01:35.510 --> 01:39.693 [SPEAKER_01]: We got stuff on the train market that's kind of starting to creep up a little bit. 01:39.994 --> 01:42.816 [SPEAKER_01]: So I'm anxious to dive into that, but Adam, good to be here with you, Nick. 01:42.936 --> 01:43.797 [SPEAKER_01]: How's it going on your end? 01:45.027 --> 01:45.828 [SPEAKER_00]: It's going great guys. 01:45.868 --> 01:46.569 [SPEAKER_00]: Have it to be here. 01:46.689 --> 01:47.810 [SPEAKER_00]: Adam, have to be back with you. 01:47.830 --> 01:56.399 [SPEAKER_00]: Had a few me and Robert episodes in your absence, and he held down the host chair admirably, but I second his thoughts. 01:56.439 --> 01:59.122 [SPEAKER_00]: Your hosting duties and talents are unmatched. 01:59.242 --> 02:00.183 [SPEAKER_00]: So, good to be back. 02:00.543 --> 02:01.764 [SPEAKER_02]: Thank you, Nick. 02:01.864 --> 02:02.745 [SPEAKER_02]: It's good to have you man. 02:03.385 --> 02:17.915 [SPEAKER_02]: I did my first show back on Monday doing my first three men weave today And I told you guys before I like woke up Monday fresh attitude like fresh cup poppy squeeze my own orange juice And then today I woke up just like feeling like a guy who had a baby and was going back to work 02:18.055 --> 02:19.816 [SPEAKER_02]: So, let's see what we can do. 02:20.397 --> 02:22.518 [SPEAKER_02]: Thankfully, Major League Baseball is given us plenty of topics. 02:22.799 --> 02:30.685 [SPEAKER_02]: To go back and forth on in, and I'm sure Robert has some unique insight all up in the notebook to him and a bit for sure for things that I did not come up with today that we can get to. 02:30.765 --> 02:37.730 [SPEAKER_02]: But look, I want to start with the Cubs, and I spoke to Dan's B's Fonson this week for something that is gonna go live tomorrow. 02:37.790 --> 02:41.533 [SPEAKER_02]: Ask him about what he expects at the deadline, and he's sort of said, hey, you can never have too much pitching. 02:41.573 --> 02:45.616 [SPEAKER_02]: Now, between when I spoke to him and the present day, 02:47.758 --> 02:55.588 [SPEAKER_02]: field with hamstring addoctor issue, uh, pen brown goes on the aisle to it got worse between creating this outline and doing the podcast. 02:55.768 --> 03:06.262 [SPEAKER_02]: Uh, so the cubs if they are going to need to keep up in the central and the wildcar rates are going to need to acquire some sort of pitching and hey, it helps to have a little familiarity with the red socks for an office. 03:06.602 --> 03:12.525 [SPEAKER_02]: Sunny Gray dealt again yesterday there have been rumors that hey he's willing to be approached by does no trade pause. 03:12.625 --> 03:16.387 [SPEAKER_02]: I can't think of a better home than the cubs, but I'm going to open it to Robert Murray here. 03:16.907 --> 03:20.269 [SPEAKER_02]: How intensely will the cubs researching for pitching at this summer's deadline? 03:20.309 --> 03:22.470 [SPEAKER_02]: Does the gray fit I just invented makes sense? 03:22.850 --> 03:24.571 [SPEAKER_02]: Or are they kind of a lost causes? 03:24.711 --> 03:26.952 [SPEAKER_02]: Is this too big a hole to dig out of for Chicago? 03:28.167 --> 03:34.332 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't like it's too being able to hold for them to dig out of, but it's absolutely clear at this point that they need to be pursuing starting pitching and they will. 03:34.813 --> 03:46.942 [SPEAKER_01]: Jed Hoyer will be examining the pitching market and I wouldn't even be surprised if they needed some short-term options and maybe ended up trying to pursue one of those and it would make a lot of sense for them to go out and do so. 03:47.042 --> 03:47.763 [SPEAKER_01]: But as far as 03:49.424 --> 03:55.747 [SPEAKER_01]: answers that can really kind of save their season and catapult them back of an actually even world series conversation. 03:57.028 --> 03:58.808 [SPEAKER_01]: They need to make a sizable move. 03:58.869 --> 04:00.609 [SPEAKER_01]: And Sunday Gray makes a ton of sense. 04:00.789 --> 04:01.690 [SPEAKER_01]: I really like the fit. 04:01.710 --> 04:03.591 [SPEAKER_01]: He's controllable through next year. 04:03.631 --> 04:06.412 [SPEAKER_01]: So I think that would be something that would be very smart for them to do. 04:07.172 --> 04:07.873 [SPEAKER_01]: Terriq schoolable. 04:08.053 --> 04:14.496 [SPEAKER_01]: I know he's going to be getting a lot of thoughts from a bunch of different teams, but I still am skeptical if that's the right solution for them. 04:15.156 --> 04:29.422 [SPEAKER_01]: Read debt mrs to me would be a great fit for them, but that is absolutely priority 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6 for the cubs like they have to go out and get pitching and not just 1, but they have to get multiple because after Edward Cabrera left, then Ben Brown. 04:29.902 --> 04:33.803 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, just the pitching injuries are catching up to them and they need to reinforcements. 04:33.823 --> 04:39.866 [SPEAKER_01]: So you know what, if I'm Jedi Oyer and Carter Hawkins, I'm making moves now, but I'm going to, this is going to be a league-wide sentiment though. 04:40.166 --> 04:43.567 [SPEAKER_01]: The bigger moves will not come until after the All Star Break. 04:44.828 --> 04:57.461 [SPEAKER_02]: Nick, I found myself on Monday shows sort of thinking like we were talking about scooble and the brewers maybe and I kind of felt myself saying like at this moment the only real playoff locks are the Dodgers in the West and the brewers in the central. 04:57.621 --> 05:04.268 [SPEAKER_02]: Even though the central is pretty good, top to bottom like you've got quality even the last place team is flirting with 500. 05:04.628 --> 05:07.111 [SPEAKER_02]: It just kind of feels like they're now a cut above and with every 05:07.531 --> 05:22.660 [SPEAKER_02]: player Chicago loses from their rotation and has to backfill like you're getting Matthew Boyd back Maybe you're getting a sunny grade type at the deadline, but still you're coming at this from such a huge deficit Is does that feel fair to say that those are the two division races we can some what block? 05:23.260 --> 05:30.805 [SPEAKER_02]: Do you feel like there's another one that should be in there or do you feel like maybe I'm being a little bit too boastful about the brewers and they still have a real challenge behind them? 05:32.548 --> 05:34.909 [SPEAKER_00]: No, I think it's fair to call those to the locks. 05:35.549 --> 05:46.791 [SPEAKER_00]: I would say that the brewers, I could see, you know, depending on how aggressive the cardinals get the deadline, if they really go out and get an impact armor to, if they get, hey, we didn't think we're going to be this contending team this year. 05:46.811 --> 05:49.152 [SPEAKER_00]: And now we are, let's put the pedal to the floor. 05:49.572 --> 05:52.113 [SPEAKER_00]: That could be really interesting race down the stairs. 05:52.133 --> 05:53.513 [SPEAKER_00]: And obviously, there's other teams in that division. 05:53.973 --> 05:54.734 [SPEAKER_00]: They're also good. 05:55.154 --> 05:56.615 [SPEAKER_00]: I might go the braves in there too. 05:56.655 --> 06:00.278 [SPEAKER_00]: I know this month hasn't really been a good month for them, especially offensively. 06:00.298 --> 06:04.001 [SPEAKER_00]: They've really started to scuffle a bit, but they've managed to be around 500. 06:04.021 --> 06:07.204 [SPEAKER_00]: I know that the fillings have have really turned things around. 06:07.224 --> 06:09.986 [SPEAKER_00]: They still have a run differential around zero. 06:10.086 --> 06:11.047 [SPEAKER_00]: Maybe it's even negative. 06:11.067 --> 06:12.108 [SPEAKER_00]: So like I don't know how. 06:12.708 --> 06:37.920 [SPEAKER_00]: legit this team is and I know that the bris you know you could say they've kind of been punching above their true talent level but they've they've really had some good season some a lot of players I know that they've had injuries as well couldn't use back on the shelf but I think that this kind of downturn in their offense is more of a blip than anything concerning long-term and I would expect them to get better at the deadline in some way probably I'm a pitching side but I might put them in the lock category as well. 06:38.703 --> 06:57.415 [SPEAKER_02]: I wanted to I was close and run differential around zero or negative pretty much described the entire American League of this juncture So honestly can't I know my view that is a demerit or just the current stand there Like it is the philies and bridge with the only one where I was like look, am I being mean to the philies calling this a lock or am I calling it like I see it and I think 06:57.835 --> 07:16.067 [SPEAKER_02]: You're probably right on that, but hey, even the locked-in Dodgers are not without an issue, Kyle Tucker has been the center of, you know, if you play for the Dodgers, if you play for the Yankees, and if you are the major off season acquisition, and you do what Kyle Tucker has done in, in primetime in the spotlight that spotlight A.B. 07:16.147 --> 07:25.573 [SPEAKER_02]: and the game against the Orioles the other day, you're going to get hatred, you're going to get vitriol, the $60 million price tag is very real, and he left the series against a twins' week with backspasms, 07:26.373 --> 07:30.135 [SPEAKER_02]: Dodger said he's probably not going to be available for this, and then we'll reassess he'll probably be back. 07:30.375 --> 07:36.339 [SPEAKER_02]: Dylan Hernandez asserted that whether he needs it or not, the Dodger should just go ahead and place them on the aisle for a mental break. 07:36.479 --> 07:44.344 [SPEAKER_02]: Robert, you believe things have gotten this dicey for the prohibitive world series favorites biggest offseason edition, and is that an legitimate conversation we need to be having? 07:44.364 --> 07:49.847 [SPEAKER_02]: Like does Kyle Tucker need a midyear reset to be the best version of himself for the stretch around him playoffs? 07:50.701 --> 08:04.917 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't think he does, and last year he really proved that he's tough in that he ended up playing through a significant finger injury, obviously he's struggled, but I genuinely don't believe that he's going to end up needing an IL stand here. 08:05.037 --> 08:11.885 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, maybe he ultimately does, I don't know, but that being said though, like I expect talking to be totally fine. 08:12.165 --> 08:27.043 [SPEAKER_01]: he is adjusting to a new environment and that's a very difficult thing like he's he's obviously played in Houston where there's world series aspirations you played with the cubs where they had obviously very high expectations there too but the daughters are a bit of a different beast. 08:27.303 --> 08:33.307 [SPEAKER_01]: It's got all eyes on him, a lot of pressure on him, and you know what, it takes time, but I expect him to be better. 08:33.528 --> 08:52.702 [SPEAKER_01]: I expect him to be a bigger contributor come the end of the season here for the Dodgers, and he's going to make that contract look better than it currently does not, because there's no ifs andzerbutts here, he's not playing up to that contract, and they need him too, and there's a reason why they went out and got him, and I expect him to be meaningfully better, but 08:53.823 --> 08:58.407 [SPEAKER_01]: Still, I'd like the daughters to our just a team where we absolutely have to watch them here at the deadline too. 08:58.467 --> 09:05.573 [SPEAKER_01]: I know we're, I'm venturing off from the COT talker conversation, but the schoolable thing with them, I think that's going to be something we talk about. 09:05.593 --> 09:06.493 [SPEAKER_01]: Plenty I'm this show. 09:07.014 --> 09:13.860 [SPEAKER_01]: I know we've talked about it already quite a bit as far as school will goes, but the daughters to me seem like a really clear fit for him. 09:14.740 --> 09:26.912 [SPEAKER_01]: But if they can end up getting the top fish in for agency and then get the top even player in school at the deadline, it'll just be further flexing here from the Dodgers and again, circling back to Tucker, I expect him to be fine. 09:27.622 --> 09:29.404 [SPEAKER_02]: It's also been roughly league average. 09:29.444 --> 09:38.552 [SPEAKER_02]: We're talking about him the way that we are because of the contract number of sign-in and because of the broke the league unfairness of that Dodger transaction. 09:38.592 --> 09:41.615 [SPEAKER_02]: But he has been quote unquote fine. 09:41.935 --> 09:44.498 [SPEAKER_02]: I do think at a certain point, he will continue to bounce back. 09:44.518 --> 09:50.463 [SPEAKER_02]: But I mean, Nick, if he do fan fiction with me for a second, like the Dodger's had to outbid the Metz, 09:51.104 --> 09:52.125 [SPEAKER_02]: to make this deal happen. 09:52.365 --> 09:57.750 [SPEAKER_02]: Can you imagine the amount of toxicity we would be dealing with if the Met's head. 09:58.571 --> 10:11.843 [SPEAKER_02]: I guess you don't sign boba shed in that case, but if the Met's had Freddie Perlta and Kyle Tucker and Jorge Polanco burning holes on this roster at the same time, like, would David Stern still have a job if that had been the decision that had been made? 10:13.008 --> 10:14.709 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, you want to play the alternate universe game. 10:14.729 --> 10:20.013 [SPEAKER_00]: I think a lot of meds fans would think, oh, no, no, Boba Shet, I might make the trade. 10:20.894 --> 10:26.118 [SPEAKER_00]: It's maybe you should prove that you don't have to be on the meds to be cursed. 10:26.178 --> 10:29.301 [SPEAKER_00]: You just have to be heavily linked to them publicly and now times. 10:29.521 --> 10:33.204 [SPEAKER_00]: And then their stink can just attach itself to your core. 10:34.505 --> 10:37.807 [SPEAKER_00]: But yeah, that would certainly the conversation would be louder. 10:37.947 --> 10:40.129 [SPEAKER_00]: I think if he was struggling this much on a meds scene, 10:41.330 --> 10:42.231 [SPEAKER_00]: completely dysfunctional. 10:42.251 --> 10:53.261 [SPEAKER_00]: You know, the Dodgers have a lot of first world problems and one of them being that when you're 60 million dollar man is not living up to expectations, you can still have healthy first place lead and be the world series favorites. 10:53.321 --> 10:54.782 [SPEAKER_00]: So I will draw with that. 10:54.882 --> 10:56.424 [SPEAKER_00]: I do expect that Tucker will. 10:57.004 --> 10:57.944 [SPEAKER_00]: step out of this eventually. 10:57.964 --> 11:03.485 [SPEAKER_00]: You know, he's out the first player to sign a huge fridge and a contract and then struggle in the first couple months with his new team. 11:04.586 --> 11:10.447 [SPEAKER_00]: You know, his, his sprint speed, his bats beat, your indicators you can look to to see well, maybe he's secretly hurt or dinged up. 11:10.647 --> 11:13.067 [SPEAKER_00]: They're pretty much what they're what they've been last year. 11:13.127 --> 11:16.908 [SPEAKER_00]: So it's just a tough stretch, but he's a very accomplished player. 11:16.948 --> 11:20.909 [SPEAKER_00]: I would expect him to be, you know, back to his normal way soon enough. 11:21.975 --> 11:24.376 [SPEAKER_01]: And also, too, I want to chime in with this, sorry, Adam. 11:25.117 --> 11:34.221 [SPEAKER_01]: But I wanted to chime in with this, too, is like, you wonder, like, when it came to one soda in that contract, that was obviously a Steve Cohen deal. 11:34.281 --> 11:39.263 [SPEAKER_01]: Like, that was, in that moment, like, that felt like a bad baseball contract. 11:39.883 --> 11:46.727 [SPEAKER_01]: Like, obviously, like, you ended up getting, like, a superstar player, but that deal, just, I don't know, I didn't, I don't know. 11:46.787 --> 11:49.248 [SPEAKER_01]: It just didn't seem like it was going to be a very good baseball deal overall. 11:50.209 --> 12:12.489 [SPEAKER_01]: You wonder here with a guy like Tucker where they meant in a making that offer I want to say the Metz's final offer was four years for 220 obviously the short term deal Like that screams like a David Stern's ammo, but a 55 million dollar AAV is that's more of a coin thing So I don't necessarily know if that would have meant that that Stern's got fired But still like this offseason 12:13.390 --> 12:13.951 [SPEAKER_01]: He went on it. 12:14.171 --> 12:19.738 [SPEAKER_01]: He took a huge risk and letting go of all his franchise pillars and bringing it new guys. 12:20.479 --> 12:21.661 [SPEAKER_01]: It is not worked out at all. 12:21.681 --> 12:23.784 [SPEAKER_01]: Like the day of his turns is feeling the pressure. 12:23.904 --> 12:26.607 [SPEAKER_01]: But even now, I don't think his seats warm. 12:26.707 --> 12:27.849 [SPEAKER_01]: I genuinely don't think so. 12:28.882 --> 12:46.459 [SPEAKER_02]: It's so funny to decide who seats are actually warm because it feels, I mean, we, on this show on the last episode of this show, we talked about Craig Breslow's season, maybe not that warm, and then Ranger Suarez and Sunny Gray have been two of the best acquisitions anybody made all off seasons, so it's like, you get caught up in the record and obviously the boss threats acts of underperform. 12:46.759 --> 13:10.313 [SPEAKER_02]: and obviously they didn't address the offense the way they showed them and they fumbled Alex Breggman, but Breggman has struggle as the comments are noting and the pictures that Craig Brissler brought in have been really good so it's a it's a more complicated conversation than I think people really want to have been obviously someone's head's got a role there and Alex Corres did but I was also just going to say if you're if you're cursed by a tangential association of the men's that is terrible news for the 13:16.188 --> 13:22.592 [SPEAKER_02]: If you are looking for an outfielder at this deadline, the twins would once again like you to know that Bired Buckson is not available. 13:22.752 --> 13:26.314 [SPEAKER_02]: It's quote, according to the GM, not something we are exploring. 13:27.155 --> 13:31.518 [SPEAKER_02]: Robert, two part question, do you believe them and do you wish they would explore it? 13:31.538 --> 13:39.603 [SPEAKER_02]: Because we tried this at the last deadline, we tried to talk to the Braves people, there was a lot of Bired Buckson buzzed the All-Star game in Atlanta, and then 13:40.223 --> 13:46.390 [SPEAKER_02]: He declared his loyalty he stayed home, but now we are on year two Minnesota having to say guys stop It's not happening. 13:46.970 --> 13:50.414 [SPEAKER_02]: Do you think it eventually will get through a different place or do you think it should? 13:51.688 --> 13:53.529 [SPEAKER_01]: Like, I genuinely believe the twins here. 13:53.649 --> 13:58.251 [SPEAKER_01]: Like, they have shown zero eagerness, zero willingness to move, bucks den in the past. 13:58.811 --> 14:01.612 [SPEAKER_01]: And obviously, Derek Fav is not there anymore, and they have new leadership. 14:01.872 --> 14:03.673 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, obviously, it was promoted from internally. 14:04.593 --> 14:06.354 [SPEAKER_01]: But I genuinely believe them. 14:06.474 --> 14:07.874 [SPEAKER_01]: Like, they love Bayern bucks den. 14:08.135 --> 14:11.056 [SPEAKER_01]: And ultimately, Bayern bucks den controls his fate here. 14:11.076 --> 14:13.077 [SPEAKER_01]: He's got a full, like, no trade clause. 14:13.097 --> 14:15.017 [SPEAKER_01]: He can, like, he can determine his fate. 14:15.057 --> 14:16.278 [SPEAKER_01]: And he's showing zero willingness. 14:16.938 --> 14:44.158 [SPEAKER_01]: uh... to move or to wave that no trade clause and it seems like he genuinely wants to be a one-team player uh... and that's something that's i think very admirable like we've seen that with their jeeter we've seen that was some some other stars of the past and that's becoming increasingly rare uh... obviously microts and other one of those in baseball and everyone every year is always wondering once he heats up oh is this final of the year you get traded to fill a battlefield it's it's created seems like that always ends up happening uh... but as far as boxed and goes 14:45.370 --> 15:10.289 [SPEAKER_01]: like I think the only way that would ever end up happening where he waves it is if the twins ended up moving like a joe Ryan or if they ended up just throwing in the towel and showing that they're not in a position where they are going to compete this year the year after and the year after that because he wants to win like but he also loves Minnesota so at this point I believe them I believe Buccston and I just do not see him move at all. 15:11.153 --> 15:20.857 [SPEAKER_02]: Nick, would you rather see Byron Bucks than be a bad teammate and stars with Rousen Rappel or are you good with him being a one-team player and this sort of being hopefully the be all end all of this discussion? 15:22.338 --> 15:36.424 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, yeah, I've lived in Southern California my whole life at Group and Orange County so I'm very familiar with the Mike Trout yearly conversation and maybe some wishes from people outside of Southern California that could he just forces way out of there please. 15:40.065 --> 15:41.626 [SPEAKER_00]: Clearly he's comfortable there. 15:41.646 --> 15:42.246 [SPEAKER_00]: He likes there. 15:42.266 --> 15:44.447 [SPEAKER_00]: It's the only franchises ever known. 15:44.867 --> 15:50.629 [SPEAKER_00]: In the situation in Minnesota is not nearly as dire and hopeless as the one in Atlanta. 15:50.649 --> 15:52.710 [SPEAKER_00]: They've made the playoffs four times in his career. 15:53.250 --> 15:55.931 [SPEAKER_00]: Obviously, they had an epic sell off last year. 15:55.951 --> 16:00.033 [SPEAKER_00]: But after that, he was still not looking at the situation. 16:00.393 --> 16:02.854 [SPEAKER_00]: Well, this organization has changed in directions. 16:03.154 --> 16:04.575 [SPEAKER_00]: That's not what I want to be for the 16:05.235 --> 16:10.597 [SPEAKER_00]: last year, last half of my career or whatever, then I would expect that's not going to change this year. 16:10.837 --> 16:12.478 [SPEAKER_00]: Maybe if they trade Joe Ryan, it does change. 16:12.538 --> 16:22.001 [SPEAKER_00]: But, you know, it's an example of, he's, there's many ways to view, you know, success and happiness in your career, and obviously being on a winner is one of them, but he loves it there. 16:22.321 --> 16:23.382 [SPEAKER_00]: They love having him there. 16:23.482 --> 16:32.445 [SPEAKER_00]: I think that they probably view that their operation is better when buying bucks in the as a part of it, you know, prospect package, trade package return, you know, be darned. 16:33.157 --> 16:44.160 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and also you had to wonder how my teams are bummed about this, where you have probably the braves that would have been trying to be all over it, the fillies may have been in it, because obviously they've been linked to off field health, they've been a bunch of other teams. 16:44.200 --> 16:52.483 [SPEAKER_01]: So the fact that he's seemingly off the market unless something totally changes here, like that, that's obviously a huge buffer for all those teams and good for the twins. 16:54.625 --> 16:55.225 [SPEAKER_02]: Good for the twins. 16:55.245 --> 16:57.806 [SPEAKER_02]: I'd rather talk about this and I'd rather talk about his legacy. 16:57.826 --> 17:01.787 [SPEAKER_02]: And also I'd rather talk about the twins hitting on a surprising number of first-run picks in a row. 17:01.847 --> 17:05.228 [SPEAKER_02]: It would appear instead of talking about wish casting to Atlanta. 17:05.829 --> 17:10.490 [SPEAKER_02]: The Braves are in a strong position where they were without fire butts and they have plenty of electric talent in that outfield. 17:10.790 --> 17:14.991 [SPEAKER_02]: They need to focus on getting Ronald at a continued junior back in reinforcing the rotation. 17:15.352 --> 17:19.653 [SPEAKER_02]: Rather than trying to force something here that doesn't seem to be in anyone's best interests. 17:19.913 --> 17:40.203 [SPEAKER_02]: uh... well speaking of available uh... on the block or not uh... roof refail theirs and also buster posey what is this man uh... held a press conference yesterday basically i mean there's a lot of stuff going on in press conference basically said diverge apologize didn't really water under the bridge but didn't really address the contents of the apology 17:40.623 --> 17:42.624 [SPEAKER_02]: also not the pride night jersey thing. 17:42.644 --> 17:49.168 [SPEAKER_02]: Devers spoke to the media said they blow things out of proportion and he doesn't trust them, which was a little bit bolder than anything buster pose he said. 17:49.828 --> 17:50.629 [SPEAKER_02]: Robert does this. 17:51.129 --> 17:55.292 [SPEAKER_02]: Devers versus the media campaign and all this stuff does it. 17:55.992 --> 18:23.705 [SPEAKER_02]: and the devil's era more quickly than we may be thought and also what about the buster posier what what is the impact here we have spoken so many times on the show about you better get this higher right you can't fire a franchise legend but we're getting put the columns are coming out the the buster posier better turn this around quickly columns are coming out which is the the media's first salvo and maybe changing that perception yeah this is absolutely crazy you watch that buster posier press conference yesterday 18:25.173 --> 18:46.136 [SPEAKER_01]: frustrated he look like a guy who is currently not doing so high where he's stressed and like how can you not like overall like this has been a disaster season in San Francisco between obviously a poor season when happened with pride night when ended up happening with devours and just everything that that's going on right now it's as bad as it possibly could be. 18:47.554 --> 18:50.836 [SPEAKER_01]: But like to start with Devers here, like I said something in the last show. 18:50.876 --> 18:51.796 [SPEAKER_01]: I was watching that game. 18:51.976 --> 18:52.957 [SPEAKER_01]: I was watching with my dad. 18:52.997 --> 18:57.580 [SPEAKER_01]: I watched it happen live and I we were shocked by what happened there. 18:58.100 --> 19:00.141 [SPEAKER_01]: And he ended up like to his credit. 19:00.201 --> 19:01.262 [SPEAKER_01]: He addressed the media. 19:01.542 --> 19:04.143 [SPEAKER_01]: I was I believe that was one of his first times talking to the media. 19:04.163 --> 19:07.385 [SPEAKER_01]: The entire season and he went, it went awesome. 19:09.262 --> 19:18.312 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, you blamed it all on the media and saying that like they blew it out of proportion and I can speak for myself and I feel like I can speak for just the media community. 19:19.233 --> 19:21.916 [SPEAKER_01]: I have never once had it out for a player. 19:22.216 --> 19:24.178 [SPEAKER_01]: I've never tried to escalate a narrative. 19:24.739 --> 19:27.182 [SPEAKER_01]: where I'm trying to make drama happen. 19:27.762 --> 19:30.865 [SPEAKER_01]: And like the proof is in the pudding. 19:30.925 --> 19:32.347 [SPEAKER_01]: Like watch the video. 19:33.208 --> 19:34.709 [SPEAKER_01]: Like watch what ended up happening there. 19:35.090 --> 19:35.710 [SPEAKER_01]: Shoot him away. 19:36.211 --> 19:38.994 [SPEAKER_01]: Instead, Blame's a media for which is just incredibly lazy. 19:39.414 --> 19:41.596 [SPEAKER_01]: And he should be a whole lot better than that. 19:42.137 --> 19:44.900 [SPEAKER_01]: And he deserves the criticism that's coming his way for sure. 19:45.761 --> 19:46.241 [SPEAKER_01]: Obviously, 19:47.082 --> 19:59.593 [SPEAKER_01]: Like, him and Tony Battello talked it out, but it was just the latest incident in what's been a very unique and interesting last few years here with Rafael Devers and part of what prompted the trade out of Boston. 19:59.733 --> 20:03.437 [SPEAKER_01]: And it's just been between that, his poor performance in San Francisco. 20:04.117 --> 20:11.444 [SPEAKER_01]: It's why the trade rumors are currently allowed for any one of the giants, not named Logan Webb or probably a Bryce Elder just well. 20:12.505 --> 20:13.365 [SPEAKER_01]: But still, like it's, 20:14.586 --> 20:30.254 [SPEAKER_01]: It's bad currently what's going on in San Francisco and I would not be surprised at the end and making some pretty sizable changes at the deadline, but if you look at Debra's contract, Matt Chapman's contract and William Domus's contract, that makes it a pretty tough deal to move on from those guys. 20:30.314 --> 20:36.297 [SPEAKER_01]: Maybe Chapman has a suit or I don't know, but it's currently doomsday in San Francisco. 20:37.315 --> 20:42.921 [SPEAKER_02]: Nick, can you believe the public perception shift on Devers since the devil's trade heard around the world last year? 20:42.941 --> 20:55.954 [SPEAKER_02]: Like now, it's going to be even harder to move in the second time than it was the first time, but that you had so many Alex Corra, Craig Brzello attacks last year and now you sort of have general understanding about why this player might be moved. 20:57.360 --> 21:01.364 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I think that the public perception shift is completely deserved and earned. 21:01.384 --> 21:05.088 [SPEAKER_00]: In this case, you know, first off, obviously we know this is a results business. 21:05.348 --> 21:09.071 [SPEAKER_00]: If he were hitting better, if the giants were not having a terrible season. 21:09.867 --> 21:15.969 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm sure that this would be less of a deal than it currently is, but that we've all been in clubhouses. 21:16.009 --> 21:25.653 [SPEAKER_00]: We've observed player media interactions or maybe even being in part of some ourselves that maybe you had an expectation for how the conversation was going to go and it didn't go that way. 21:25.673 --> 21:29.775 [SPEAKER_00]: If it was tense or shorter, whatever, you know, this is a workplace for these guys. 21:29.815 --> 21:30.155 [SPEAKER_00]: They don't. 21:30.815 --> 21:41.741 [SPEAKER_00]: Obviously, you always love being approached by a stranger and ask questions and I get as part of their job, but it's, you know, it's not always just this, this athlete's excited talk to you and answer your question. 21:42.261 --> 21:56.608 [SPEAKER_00]: But when you're not, so I appreciate I understand, you know, not being super excited to talk to the media, but if you're not going to talk to the media, then you invite speculation, and in this case, that much to speculative, it would like Robert said to watch the video, like it's very clear what's happening. 21:56.668 --> 21:59.770 [SPEAKER_00]: He's not, he's refusing to be so bad of getting or trying to. 22:00.290 --> 22:19.924 [SPEAKER_00]: And you know, I think you said he added some context about like, well, there was a misunderstanding, you know, I they thought that I was heard and I wasn't or something along those lines that adds a layer of context, but I think the big picture doesn't change there and, you know, the miscommunication on that front the miscommunication with the pride night to ask go when you have a first year in experience GM. 22:20.805 --> 22:27.050 [SPEAKER_00]: Obviously a GM who's a beloved player in a long time veteran, but still is first not experience at this job. 22:27.470 --> 22:46.324 [SPEAKER_00]: With the first year manager who's never worked in major league baseball before, all these issues just have a bigger spotlight on them and it just gives you the sense that the brain trusts in San Francisco doesn't have the firm as grip on the wheel and then you throw in the team's performance and this just doesn't seem like a situation that I have 22:51.880 --> 22:53.541 [SPEAKER_02]: Robert, we get a lot of questions every show. 22:53.561 --> 22:58.103 [SPEAKER_02]: We got him last show about this giant situation and who may or may not be available. 22:58.183 --> 22:59.663 [SPEAKER_02]: You've talked a lot about Matt Chapman. 23:00.044 --> 23:03.065 [SPEAKER_02]: Buster only fluted of William Domis from Marcus Semi-In-Swap. 23:03.085 --> 23:08.327 [SPEAKER_02]: Today we've got questions about a rise and we've got questions about Robbie Ray's suitors in the chat. 23:09.048 --> 23:15.150 [SPEAKER_02]: What is your current expectation of levels of availability and potential interest in some of these giants targets? 23:15.170 --> 23:20.052 [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, Deborah's unlikely to move Chapman tough, but a guy like Robbie Ray, I like a rise. 23:20.072 --> 23:21.133 [SPEAKER_02]: They got to figure that out. 23:21.728 --> 23:36.056 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and also too, like to piggyback off of what Nick said here is Devours is also like, again, I give him credit for speaking to the media, but when you're paid that much, when you are supposed to be the franchise player, you need to be accountable. 23:36.116 --> 23:42.260 [SPEAKER_01]: You need to, to lead by example, you need to lead through your words, but you need to lead through every which way imaginable. 23:42.420 --> 23:46.642 [SPEAKER_01]: And in this moment or these last few days, he is not done that at all. 23:47.322 --> 23:48.923 [SPEAKER_01]: So he needs, he needs to change. 23:50.484 --> 24:03.475 [SPEAKER_01]: It's like every one of the locker room sees it and you got to hope if you're the giants that you don't have a trickle down in fact from that and and And go into what you ended up asking here you have Devours like he's a talented enough player. 24:03.495 --> 24:13.544 [SPEAKER_01]: Well he'll get he'll get interest, but I don't see any team Being in a hurry to end up taking on the at that entire contract and if the giants do want to trade him They're gonna have to eat some of that deal 24:14.965 --> 24:24.133 [SPEAKER_01]: Chapman I do think he will actually have like decent interest and I've talked to rival executives who definitely believe that the Philadelphia Phillies are a team that makes sense there. 24:24.573 --> 24:40.127 [SPEAKER_01]: Obviously they have Alec Bome, but he's on the last year of his deal and you can end up maybe if you add Chapman, you can make him your short-term third baseman, you can also make him your long-term long-term third baseman and they clearly have money to spend because they made that offer to 24:41.948 --> 24:43.449 [SPEAKER_01]: They thought that they were bringing them in. 24:43.830 --> 24:45.331 [SPEAKER_01]: So again, they got the finances. 24:45.752 --> 24:47.273 [SPEAKER_01]: Does it end up resulting in the deal? 24:47.393 --> 24:48.494 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know. 24:48.574 --> 24:50.236 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't even know if Philadelphia is interested. 24:50.256 --> 24:55.981 [SPEAKER_01]: This is why I talked to rival executives because it gives us fun stuff to talk about here on the baseball insiders. 24:56.321 --> 25:00.465 [SPEAKER_01]: But William Domus, he's loved and I could like David Stern's nose him. 25:01.165 --> 25:03.667 [SPEAKER_01]: He is an incredible locker room guy. 25:04.568 --> 25:09.933 [SPEAKER_01]: struggled this year, but still you know what I think you'd be a useful guy, but again there would probably have to eat some of that deal. 25:10.253 --> 25:13.796 [SPEAKER_01]: Luis Horizon will have a ton of interest that was a great sign by Buster Posey. 25:15.037 --> 25:27.488 [SPEAKER_01]: Robbie Ray, plenty of interest in there as well, but there's Harrison Bader's another one I would keep an eye on here for sure, but besides that it's going to be a very not fun deadline for Buster Posey because I think it'll be pretty busy. 25:28.552 --> 25:30.973 [SPEAKER_02]: Thank you everyone for joining us and get your questions in. 25:31.053 --> 25:34.834 [SPEAKER_02]: Again, join us in the discord between shows if you got more you've got plenty of overflow. 25:34.894 --> 25:42.156 [SPEAKER_02]: I'm sure we'll be back here on Friday as well as Monday live answering your questions plenty of time before the trade deadline, but not that much. 25:52.571 --> 25:59.516 [SPEAKER_00]: More trade deadline coverage, all star break previews, first half recap stuff, it's all coming to side.com. 25:59.536 --> 26:01.938 [SPEAKER_00]: We got the whole team is working around the clock. 26:01.998 --> 26:04.399 [SPEAKER_00]: So it's gonna be busy, but it's gonna be fun as always. 26:04.419 --> 26:05.200 [SPEAKER_00]: Thank you guys for having me. 26:05.700 --> 26:08.882 [SPEAKER_02]: First half, somehow done, basically crazy. 26:09.183 --> 26:11.784 [SPEAKER_02]: I guess it helps when you sleep through a month and happen there with the baby. 26:12.065 --> 26:16.007 [SPEAKER_02]: But thank you for joining us here on the baseball insiders for next album, for Robert Murray. 26:16.267 --> 26:16.868 [SPEAKER_02]: Take care everybody. 26:16.928 --> 26:18.189 [SPEAKER_02]: We'll catch you again on Friday. 26:18.829 --> 26:19.149 [SPEAKER_01]: So we will. 26:19.169 --> 26:19.690 [SPEAKER_01]: Thank you everybody.