[SPEAKER_00]: All right, welcome back to another episode of Friends From Work and welcome back Robby to this country.
[SPEAKER_00]: On an episode here of Friends From Work, this is a podcast about all things in the Marvel Cinematic Universe and sometimes things slightly adjacent as we'll hear about today.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm your host, Kyle Sconele and I'm joined by my co-host, longtime friend, Robbie Earl, Robbie, just got back from a trek across Europe.
[SPEAKER_00]: How was your time, man?
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, man, it was great.
[SPEAKER_01]: It was the, you know, the first time we've done a trip like that with a baby, but she was, uh, kind of perfect.
[SPEAKER_01]: So we worked out, huh?
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it worked out really well.
[SPEAKER_01]: No, it was like, uh, we got one of these little bass and et seeds that that like clips in at the front of the section, uh, on the way back and that was really great.
[SPEAKER_01]: She just kind of napped in there as usual and then there was this area where I could kind of stand up in, uh, like bouncer whenever she was getting a little frazzled.
[SPEAKER_01]: But she, uh, yeah, I just kind of wore her in the little carrier on my chest and she just
[SPEAKER_01]: all sorts of sightseeing, and we went to this thousand year old monastery, like these ruins, and she was making Candace nervous taking the baby up on the spiral staircase with these
[SPEAKER_01]: and she was just like having a great time.
[SPEAKER_01]: So it was, it was really fun.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's also just unreal that there is a reality where it can be June and in the 50s and 60s.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yeah, like twice.
[SPEAKER_00]: It was really, it was really nice.
[SPEAKER_01]: And then
[SPEAKER_00]: I want to quickly be clear.
[SPEAKER_00]: This is where my mind's going.
[SPEAKER_00]: I said, I referred to your baby as an it.
[SPEAKER_00]: I didn't mean to.
[SPEAKER_00]: I stumbled over my words.
[SPEAKER_00]: I said, I said, was the plane ride too long for it.
[SPEAKER_00]: But I was, I messed up the sentence.
[SPEAKER_00]: I messed up the sentence.
[SPEAKER_00]: Was it too long for her?
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_01]: No, it's true.
[SPEAKER_01]: I have to kill you.
[SPEAKER_01]: I let it out.
[SPEAKER_01]: Thank you.
[SPEAKER_00]: On that note with the weather by the way, it's obviously the world cup right now, which is so fun for me and tons of friends following that stuff, but there's been this crazy trend of Europeans visiting America and posting things on the ABC news did a whole bit on this.
[SPEAKER_00]: Um, just about all the things that they're loving that they didn't know about or like things that are just crazy different like how much ground beef you can buy at one time or how big buckbies is like Texas roadhouse Texas roadhouse like the Japanese people they're like buying bone by Texas roadhouse.
[SPEAKER_00]: I saw this account of this Japanese person who couldn't believe like the free chips and salsa at a Mexican place and how you can eat so many chips and salsa before your buckets there or like yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: And then did you see the ranch dressing thing?
[SPEAKER_01]: No, but I can only imagine.
[SPEAKER_00]: Unbelievable.
[SPEAKER_00]: This is true.
[SPEAKER_00]: There's so many people from Europe trying to take rents, dressing back to Europe that the TSA actual Twitter account had to say.
[SPEAKER_00]: By the way, if you're taking Ranch, you have to put it in a checked bag.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's on their Twitter, an official government too.
[SPEAKER_00]: So many people are trying to fly with Ranch in their carry-ons.
[SPEAKER_00]: Then I guess Ranch is,
[SPEAKER_00]: is scarce over there and so popular once they've had it now so I saw a lot of funny tweets being like you wonder while rover wait I mean just come eat it for a little bit so now they're going to taste the why that looks but anyways also one of the things was the weather the difference in some of the weather like some people going to Arizona for games and and coming from where you just came from is that was my whole time I I just have to say real quick you just I thought about this with TSA
[SPEAKER_01]: Do you know what a cubaton is?
[SPEAKER_01]: No, okay.
[SPEAKER_01]: Is that what they say is like a cubaton of, no, no, no, no, no, oh, that's funny.
[SPEAKER_01]: No, it is, apparently if you Google it, it's like a self-defense weapon.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think it was a unit of measurements.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think people will use in place of like,
[SPEAKER_00]: close, like, order self defense keychain tool.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, yeah, 1960s.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's almost like a, you know, like a maze type thing.
[SPEAKER_01]: But it's like a weapon that is designed to like target pressure points, so you can kind of like quickly get away if someone's trying to abduct you or whatever.
[SPEAKER_00]: Where you going with this.
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, so, so if you Google it, it looks like
[SPEAKER_01]: Ex, for video people, exactly like this.
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, yeah, where you kind of have like the point almost like a, it's shaped like a ballpoint pen kind of a thing.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, where you've got like a rounded end in the point.
[SPEAKER_01]: So metal looks like I got this for like $7 on on Amazon.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like after my surgeries a couple years ago, because it kind of helps like work out some of those areas like around my shoulders and neck, never thought about it.
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, that's like a massage tool.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yeah, that this one is.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: And it has some of the same features because it's like supposed to hit some of the same like pressure tension points, right?
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_01]: So I had it in my bag.
[SPEAKER_00]: I thought you were a pin right now.
[SPEAKER_01]: Blue, blue, blue, two, and Burrah didn't have any issues.
[SPEAKER_01]: Was there the whole time?
[SPEAKER_01]: flew out of London like we went through the UK and left out of London.
[SPEAKER_01]: Went through security coming into London and they were like, oh hey what's this like metal rod in your bag?
[SPEAKER_01]: And I was like, oh shoot, I'm sorry I should have pulled that out.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's just this like pressure point thing.
[SPEAKER_01]: And they like looked at each other.
[SPEAKER_01]: And this was in London, and I was like, yeah, I mean, I, you know, if you all, it's like $7, if you all just need to like confiscate it, that's fine.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's not a big deal.
[SPEAKER_01]: And they were like, yeah, I just just, you know, one sec.
[SPEAKER_01]: And they go over and like talk to the supervisor.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I see like the supervisor look at me.
[SPEAKER_01]: And then they're like gone for a little bit.
[SPEAKER_01]: And then they come back with the police.
[SPEAKER_00]: No.
[SPEAKER_01]: And they're like,
[SPEAKER_01]: like a prohibited weapon.
[SPEAKER_01]: like that you're, like, trying to enter here with something that is illegal.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I was like, I am, I was not aware of that.
[SPEAKER_01]: Uh, like I said, you can totally just take it and then because we were all so big.
[SPEAKER_00]: Do you explain this like a massage?
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: So I like, I told them exactly what it was and we were kind of, you know, we got thankfully got there early enough to not be cutting it super close.
[SPEAKER_01]: But we were getting to the point where like it was taking long enough where I was kind of worried about us missing the flight back.
[SPEAKER_01]: And so they were, we were having this conversation and they were like, yes, sorry.
[SPEAKER_01]: Because of this, like, this has to be escalated to the police.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like, we have to, oh my goodness gracious.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like, this is the protocol.
[SPEAKER_01]: And so Candace,
[SPEAKER_01]: comes up and she's like, got the baby in the stroller and she's asking what's going on.
[SPEAKER_01]: And Candice shows them the Amazon like listing and is like, look, you know, like this is the thing that that he has.
[SPEAKER_01]: and the guy like takes that like the screenshot sends it up to like somebody and they start like asking me all these questions about like why have it, do I have like a doctor's note explaining why I need it and it goes like and you're like, you can just take it.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I don't need it.
[SPEAKER_01]: But then I realize like,
[SPEAKER_01]: And after the fact, I went and did some research and people have been like convicted of possession of a weapon, like having these things, which is crazy.
[SPEAKER_00]: Don't fly with it, apparently.
[SPEAKER_01]: Apparently.
[SPEAKER_01]: And so like we get, I think ultimately the fact that like I had the order of receipt from when I got this and it's clearly, it's enabled us like an acupuncture tool on Amazon.
[SPEAKER_01]: holding like it was like my bag and then this like patting tin bear that we had bought for the baby helps her kids and then like our babies there and can't us and like so ultimately it finally like they were like okay this is not like this person is not a threat but they were like you know just like next time you travel with it
[SPEAKER_01]: just know that like it's probably you might get these questions so like have all the stuff and I was like, I don't, I should probably just not travel with this.
[SPEAKER_01]: You know what, I could be stories like call it.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: So that was like, it was a, it got real intense there for a bit and I'm sure there are people that, especially people in the UK, I guess.
[SPEAKER_01]: or like, yeah, like the airport security, but they were referring to them as police.
[SPEAKER_01]: And interesting.
[SPEAKER_01]: So is that a law like worldwide or is that an American law that they can't let you get on a flight to America or is that an English law so it's it's not it's not an American thing like it's not I think the only problem in America would just be You know some kind of it goes off on a metal detector and they take a closer look at it, but I think specifically
[SPEAKER_01]: There's no American prohibition, which I think kind of cut in my favor, because they were able to buy that I was just oblivious and they were aware that it was something that's regulated in the UK that isn't regulated in the States, but yeah crazy stuff.
[SPEAKER_01]: So just, you know, careful traveling with like acupuncture tools apparently.
[SPEAKER_00]: Wow, that's wild.
[SPEAKER_00]: Um, okay.
[SPEAKER_00]: There's no there's no natural transition.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm trying to get the natural transition.
[SPEAKER_00]: Here we go today.
[SPEAKER_00]: We're going to talk briefly actually.
[SPEAKER_00]: We're going to listen to Robbie give us a little spoiler free preview of super girl because Robbie has seen it.
[SPEAKER_00]: I have not so Robbie you can get all of our minds right me and the audience.
[SPEAKER_00]: And then we want to briefly talk at the end of this episode about the Spider-Man trailer.
[SPEAKER_00]: There's a brand new Spider-Man trailer kind of a full length one that is taking over the world.
[SPEAKER_00]: And to kick off Spider-Man month, which this is, let's talk about that trailer.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Secondly, Robby, you brought this up and we were recording an episode on Widows Bay.
[SPEAKER_00]: We were talking about how much fun I've had watching television.
[SPEAKER_00]: And then you were like, but also movies.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I just do want to give a shout out to movies and movie theaters.
[SPEAKER_00]: I just really could be Google this.
[SPEAKER_00]: I knew this, but I Google it to fact check it.
[SPEAKER_00]: The AI overview from Google says, the 2026 box office is experiencing its most successful and lucrative year since 2019.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: Domestic revenue has searched over 23%.
[SPEAKER_00]: and it's eyeing a 10 billion year end total.
[SPEAKER_00]: Not to mention I saw that AMC had their busiest week of the year last year.
[SPEAKER_00]: Sorry, busiest week of the last couple years last week is what I meant.
[SPEAKER_01]: Um, was that for Toy Story?
[SPEAKER_00]: For Toy Story, we know that Super Mario Galaxy was over a billion Michael that biopic, which I haven't seen almost got to a billion.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, but Toy Story five already has 311 million on its opening weekend, which I guess surpassed expectations, which are already pretty high.
[SPEAKER_01]: It was the highest, oh Toy Story opening in franchise history, right?
[SPEAKER_00]: that could be which is crazy and that is crazy because like the obsession thing is insane absolutely same yeah yeah and indie movie made on a tiny tiny bunch of you seem screwing I have not seen I haven't seen session or back rooms don't tell Lance ooh Lance loves obsession um he knows he's obsessed with obsession
[SPEAKER_00]: But, you know, I want you to respond, but my point is that's also been crazy.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like the horror genre's been crazy, the animated kids thing with toy stories been crazy and Super Mario Galaxy, right?
[SPEAKER_00]: That's been crazy.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: And we still have the Odyssey, which had a ton of pre-sales, yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: And then Spider-Man brand new day on, if you saw, is now the fourth most pre-sold tickets ever right now.
[SPEAKER_00]: And it's still growing.
[SPEAKER_00]: Um, and then obviously this is all pre-doomsday, which I think will probably top or be right there with all those records.
[SPEAKER_00]: So anyway, shout out to cinemas.
[SPEAKER_00]: We thought maybe this would never happen and this year it's, it's kind of happening.
[SPEAKER_01]: Isn't that, isn't that wild, like, and I, and I love it.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think it's great news because it's getting people, like, uh, I think movies are kind of special.
[SPEAKER_01]: in a way that TV, I think people get fatigued.
[SPEAKER_01]: buy it because it's it feels like something you have to keep up with.
[SPEAKER_01]: There's like a week to week commitment.
[SPEAKER_01]: There's a lot going on and you're kind of having to like playback in for bits at a time.
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't really think that that people feel that way with with movies.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think you have to be careful about releasing too many things.
[SPEAKER_01]: Maybe on one weekend and you see studios try to work that out.
[SPEAKER_01]: But I think it's more like if you get in the right
[SPEAKER_01]: Like if you're just in the habit of going to the movies, I think that benefits all the movies.
[SPEAKER_01]: I at least like on a, on a, like more long term over the course of the year basis.
[SPEAKER_01]: My point being, I love how insane this year is
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, even, you just look at this in days, you hear, well, that's a really, that's just a wild year.
[SPEAKER_00]: She's doing like three franchises in the same year and like not even counting.
[SPEAKER_00]: How about Tom Holland's here?
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I mean, he's like a main character in the out of the thing.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think, yeah, he is, but I love that all of that, all the conversations, all the buzz around these things, those are all not even doomsday.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I think that's really fun because I think it can start to kind of ramp up this thing that doomsday can hopefully deliver on.
[SPEAKER_01]: that that gets me excited and in a weird way as much as we've kind of gone back and forth over the last couple of years of like, should they have kept the Avengers franchise going, you know, should there have been at least like one other Avengers movie?
[SPEAKER_01]: Like did they kind of lose that momentum?
[SPEAKER_01]: At least in this moment, it kind of makes me grateful that they waited until
[SPEAKER_01]: Now, you know, like we're talking about the biggest theater years in 2019, and, you know, that was in game year, that was also rights of skywalker year, that was like big event stuff, temple stuff.
[SPEAKER_01]: And so I think it maybe would have been a bit of a bummer to have doomsday come back whenever it was.
[SPEAKER_01]: not really the rate time or like people weren't going to be as receptive, but I think, you know, if people are coming off the Spider-Man hype and just general, like being back in the theater for a theater experience, like that kind of thing.
[SPEAKER_01]: Uh, I think it can make for a really, really special close to the year.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it's setting up, it's setting up like it could be a huge bombshell.
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, if the movie is good, I think it will, we said this, we literally said this was not possible.
[SPEAKER_00]: I do think it's possible now that if the movie's good, that we get close to that infinity war end game level of hype and money.
[SPEAKER_00]: there is a chance that's possible if it's if it rips.
[SPEAKER_00]: Also back to what you said about TV that is so fascinating, you know, I think the whole industry went through this era because of COVID and because streaming was starting to take off everybody had to start shifting to is this movie streaming or movies or whatever and you're so right like
[SPEAKER_00]: It's interesting.
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, there might still be fatigue, but how much Marvel fatigue would there be if there weren't any shows?
[SPEAKER_00]: Like would you be that fatigue just because you saw like multiverse of madness, no, and quantumania, you know, or like three movies in a year with that have been so draining?
[SPEAKER_00]: Probably not.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think about Star Wars.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like if they had not made a show, then the last movie they would have had was 2019.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, yeah, well, I'm not totally true now because they've had some stuff, but you know what I mean?
[SPEAKER_00]: Like yeah, no, I think that's right.
[SPEAKER_00]: You wouldn't have been fatigued.
[SPEAKER_00]: Now, I'm not saying it's not a net positive because I still think the shows are net positive, but it's important to remember that the entire Hollywood industry has been adjusting and COVID forced them into things like I did as a little tangent like I even saw some people because brand new day looks so good.
[SPEAKER_00]: Now, starting to jump on the screw John Watts train.
[SPEAKER_00]: which I want to say is so dumb and hindsight because he made an unbelievable trilogy and then people forget that they take a screenshot from no way home.
[SPEAKER_00]: It doesn't look good.
[SPEAKER_00]: Then he had to make three hovens shut down.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's so I mean, they went to Glasgow for this.
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, like, yeah, it's just like they anyways, that was tangent, but I'm so happy that theaters are back.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think they always need to be in partnership because I love the TV shows I've been seeing, but it I love it
[SPEAKER_01]: And I, I, yeah, I just, I, on on the, and we'll talk about this as we talk about the trailer.
[SPEAKER_01]: Uh, but I, I think if you look at home coming.
[SPEAKER_01]: That movie looks great, you know, like it's awesome, it's colorful, it feels very much like rooted in the different set pieces, you know, like they do the suburban thing well, they do the DC thing well.
[SPEAKER_01]: So I don't, I think no way home is the sound stagey feeling one for reasons that make a ton of sense, you know, like that's exactly the whole from production.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, so I think that that's like I think the and if that is anyone's fault, it's certainly not the it's not John wants and it's I'm not the VFX people, it's probably Sony for for pushing things out, you know, on on the schedule of fellow like that too, but that says, you know, it is fun to see it over turn.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think that's part of it.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think that's part of it too, as you can now see, like I'm just glad studios feel like it is now worth putting in the time and the money to do things like that and know that there can be a return.
[SPEAKER_01]: Right.
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, I wonder if something like centers was a big part of that, I'm sure something like obsession, like movies that shouldn't be able to, you know, especially contrasted with Mandalorian and Grogu and kind of trying to see like, okay, there are, you still have to earn it, like you have to earn people's attention and trust and dollars in time.
[SPEAKER_01]: It is there, you know, it's just figuring out how to crack that code, but it, it's nice that we're not just in this, well, you know, 2019 was this peak of the movie experience and I will never be that good again, it's right, because that's a, I don't know, that's a worse version of the world, I think.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I agree.
[SPEAKER_00]: When I went to a screener of disclosure day, I posted on our social media because I went to the Hollywood 27 by 100 Oaks, you know, by the south part of the restaurants there and whatever.
[SPEAKER_00]: And it was a Monday night screener.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I got there like 650 on a Monday night and the parking lot was totally full.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I filmed it because I'm like, what in the world is cinema back?
[SPEAKER_00]: Because this is a Monday night and this theater in general is not like always hoppin.
[SPEAKER_00]: I have gone to so many movies there.
[SPEAKER_00]: You probably have to where you could just get a seat pretty easily.
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, there's maybe 30 cars in the parking lot.
[SPEAKER_00]: You can park anywhere you want.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'd like go down lanes to find a parking spot.
[SPEAKER_00]: So people and this is a Monday.
[SPEAKER_00]: So I don't know what they were there to watch, but they were all watching something.
[SPEAKER_00]: So it's pretty cool.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's pretty cool.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's good.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I'm with you in general.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like I haven't even seen obsession, but I think it's a good thing for all things and the lesson that Holly would can learn is good when these things are successful and that yeah, it's not dead and whatnot.
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, with that being said, let's tell me about super girl.
[SPEAKER_00]: And if I'll just say if you don't want to hear anything about super girl, even though it's going to be spoiler free entirely and I haven't even seen it.
[SPEAKER_00]: Check the timestamps because we're going to talk about the Spider-Man trailer after Supergirl.
[SPEAKER_00]: So you can skip this to the next timestamp if you don't want to hear anything.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, man.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm so curious to hear your thoughts when you see it.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think you'll really like it.
[SPEAKER_01]: You have such a better pulse or like
[SPEAKER_01]: You have a better finger on the pulse when it comes to general reaction for like RT scores and all that stuff.
[SPEAKER_01]: I feel like you wound up being pretty close with disclosure day too, right?
[SPEAKER_00]: I was basically a hundred percent right.
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, I've not tried to be that guy, but I texted it to my friend because, I mean, think about this, out of the theater.
[SPEAKER_00]: I post my video, out of the theater.
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, the parking lot.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I said, I'm interested to see what people think because I think it's gonna end up somewhere around like 75%, but I'd probably go like 65% is why I said in the video.
[SPEAKER_00]: And then I screenshoted you the video when, once it was out,
[SPEAKER_00]: The audience score was exactly 75, and the critics score had worked down to 80 or 79.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I said, at the time when I was posting that video, it was 90.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I think it's going to, I think it's going to come down once some of the like shock of the Spielberg thing.
[SPEAKER_00]: So I got him to my own hornier, but like, yeah, I was exactly right to the T with the audience score.
[SPEAKER_01]: All I'm going to say about the school is your day because I still haven't seen yet, but Spotify knows me enough to push me any new John Williams music.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I did listen to the start of the score and disconnected entirely from the from the movie.
[SPEAKER_01]: So, you know, that's a big piece of whether it actually works as a score.
[SPEAKER_01]: But the music itself, I thought was incredible.
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_01]: So I am curious to see how it matches up.
[SPEAKER_01]: But incredible and kind of like just a beautiful pieces of music sort of, I just want to talk about disclosure day.
[SPEAKER_00]: I will say as a follow-up since I've posted, you know, two full episodes about it.
[SPEAKER_00]: is that one, I think, if I saw the second time, I'd have a different expectation of what the movie is.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I'm sure I would like it a little bit more because, but even with that being said, I still think there are movie-making errors, like mistakes.
[SPEAKER_00]: Not mistakes, but like things that were just omitted that I don't think you should do.
[SPEAKER_00]: Anyways, continue.
[SPEAKER_01]: that said like recognizing that I am not always able to tell what general audiences are going to think and recognizing I'd seen a little bit of this going into the theater that there were mixed reactions and a lot of people kind of saying like, that's fine.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I had a blast with it.
[SPEAKER_01]: I thought
[SPEAKER_01]: One, I really like the universe that James Gunn is building.
[SPEAKER_01]: I am not one of these people that's like, James Gunn is God's gift to Superhero movies, and he can do no wrong.
[SPEAKER_01]: So I was not like I was prepared to not like Superman and piecemaker doesn't even really seem like it would be my scene so much or creature commandos, but I've watched all of those things and they've all been great and I feel like James gun is he's really trying to do something interesting that has its own stamp
[SPEAKER_00]: But on the other side of it, you're also not a Snyder bro.
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, you're like, right, just for a man of steel and that's it.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, and that's, and that's part of it is I did not like there's always any time you have like a super hero movie or the protagonist as a woman.
[SPEAKER_01]: there's just going to be this weird.
[SPEAKER_00]: I was wondering how much of that is Captain Marvel Esk, how much of the negative reviews is that?
[SPEAKER_01]: And because it's hard to parse out.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I was just, my thing is I didn't want it to be,
[SPEAKER_01]: bad because that would that would credit those people like those tendencies to just assume it will be bad.
[SPEAKER_01]: So there was that.
[SPEAKER_01]: But then there was also the piece where I like this James gun universe and this is the first thing that he has not himself written and or directed.
[SPEAKER_01]: sense, you know, not counting the, the Matt Reeves stuff.
[SPEAKER_01]: So there was also kind of like, he's in a, he's in a very different position than Kevin Feige, but he is also in the Kevin Feige position.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like, Feige never wrote or directed any of the MCU stuff.
[SPEAKER_01]: So there was not that kind of strange, like,
[SPEAKER_01]: wearing three different hats at once thing that James Gunn has now been doing in every other project.
[SPEAKER_01]: So I think that how can you hand off something?
[SPEAKER_01]: I do think that that was a test.
[SPEAKER_01]: And to me, I thought like this,
[SPEAKER_01]: very much past that test.
[SPEAKER_01]: It fits stylistically with the other stuff.
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, like there, you can tell from the trailers, there are things in this movie that feel so ripped from a Guardians The Galaxy film.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I could see people saying that that's maybe,
[SPEAKER_01]: such, like so much the case, it's borderline derivative, and that's probably fair, but I think that what it does with it is so different.
[SPEAKER_01]: And it's not doing the kind of like the same found family, like Nick's bag of characters thing.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's doing something that's a lot more of a personal
[SPEAKER_01]: On the Captain Marvel side, I thought about the movie a lot, and I think you will too, because this feels like someone watched Captain Marvel and clocked all the things about that movie that we have over the years talked about being misses and fixed them.
[SPEAKER_01]: And then also, you know, gave the lead a lot more to do than that movie gave, gave pre-larsion.
[SPEAKER_01]: But it's like, it's doing a lot of the same things without like beating anyone over the head with it.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like it's, there's nothing on the nose.
[SPEAKER_01]: There is no moment where it's like,
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't need like a man to tell me how strong I am, kind of a thing that you're like I already felt that, but now you set it and now I feel like you think I'm dumb.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like you don't, there aren't any of those moments because it's just not really concern with that.
[SPEAKER_01]: Instead of just kind of makes her into this,
[SPEAKER_01]: really like relatable, but cool and funny and powerful character that feels very much like she's on par with Superman in the ways that matter but like a totally different personality.
[SPEAKER_01]: So I thought it was, like, oh, in the soundtrack piece, also reminded me of Captain Marvel, but where we've talked about how some of those, like, needle drops don't quite hit.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like, these, I thought almost always do.
[SPEAKER_01]: They fit the tone better.
[SPEAKER_01]: The film just seems more sure of itself in terms of what it wants to be and has like a more like fixed vision for that character.
[SPEAKER_01]: So I'm excited for, you know, Betty to be able to watch it later.
[SPEAKER_00]: I wonder what you would say to some of the negative reviews I've read that don't necessarily, or maybe some of them do, but the ones that wouldn't fall into the bro category of just I hate this because I wonder what, that's what I need to see it.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm curious what the difference is there, because yeah, you put the tweet up and I didn't know.
[SPEAKER_00]: And then I saw some of the other reaction of people being like,
[SPEAKER_00]: the lead actress is great but that's about where the positivity stops and the villain is bland and and a bunch of like pretty harsh criticism which I don't know what the Rotten Tomatoes score is right now but some of the reviews I saw which early ones tend to be more positive so it's nice to go down that up didn't seem very positive but then you were very positive and you're right parsing that that all out is really unique and what and what is it specifically about
[SPEAKER_00]: And I was thinking about that, is it just when I thought one is it when a lead is a woman that is forced into an extremely powerful role, like powerful, like Captain Marvel could take Thor or they could battle it out at least and that bothers people.
[SPEAKER_00]: Whereas like Black Widow, I don't remember they're being as much hate for like the Black Widow film.
[SPEAKER_00]: as like that one right and is that because power level wise like the movies not trying to say you know she kind of knows her role but yeah but no one seems to be upset about wonder
[SPEAKER_00]: being all powerful.
[SPEAKER_00]: So then I thought, is it just that the message of the story is women are powerful, like go women, and we're gonna tell you, is that what they push back against?
[SPEAKER_01]: And even the kind of presentation, I think of Captain Marvel, like they really built it up is like before the movie came out, like this is the most powerful character that we've had, which they never really did for Wanda.
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, but I'm also thinking like,
[SPEAKER_00]: Like what we're talking about.
[SPEAKER_00]: There was ever a moment for a water, which is like I've been suppressed by men and yeah now and finally free and I meant like this movie isn't I there I'm just wondering if that's what it is.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm trying to get that.
[SPEAKER_00]: Is that what causes the negative reviews?
[SPEAKER_00]: Or in a physical attraction thing in terms of the negative thing don't think she's attractive enough.
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, well, that's all.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, that's a whole different.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm big serious, though.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm trying to, what is I will say like our screener theater was full, like I think that they let general mission people come see it.
[SPEAKER_01]: And it seemed like people were having a great time.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like people were really into it.
[SPEAKER_01]: Emily and I saw it together.
[SPEAKER_01]: She loved it.
[SPEAKER_01]: And like, she sent me like a screenshot of like listening to the playlist afterwards, like, I, I would, I would bet and I, again, I'm not good at this.
[SPEAKER_01]: I bet it lands somewhere in the 70s to me feels very much on par with like a, like a good.
[SPEAKER_01]: phase two like like Marvel phase two movie like no it no one's going to be like this totally changes the way that I've used superhero movies.
[SPEAKER_00]: This is up for awards.
[SPEAKER_00]: This is the best thing I've ever seen.
[SPEAKER_01]: And it's you know like guardians right is like oh wow this is a sort of water shed moment for for what a and it's not that and it's not the dark night obviously but now there was Superman you know like I loved Superman and I think
[SPEAKER_01]: I love this for a lot of the same reasons, and then it's just, it's the sincerity thing, you know, like, it's the, the way that it's the opposite of the Snyder approach, which is like, these are God for school.
[SPEAKER_01]: And they are like operating on this epic level, are affirming.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like I like that this is a like it's dealing with some of the same themes from a totally different perspective about like what it is to be good.
[SPEAKER_01]: And like that versus being perfect or being great and talking about the like how you how you deal with.
[SPEAKER_01]: like how you come back with from loss, but not in the same way even like the MCU used on it where it's like, you know, you have Thor and Wanda and people like that pound it and pound it and pound it and then watch until they break.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's a different, it's more like what's the next phase?
[SPEAKER_01]: Like what does it look like to make use of that and carry it forward?
[SPEAKER_01]: And it all felt really,
[SPEAKER_01]: honest to me and I thought her acting was great and the writing was great, the thing, you know, I even thought the villain, like I'd rather the villain was forgettable, I hated the villain by the end, which is kind of I think what you want out of a villain.
[SPEAKER_01]: So,
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, it was like, to me, right, like a villain, the villain from the Marvels is, I would say, as maybe like the worst superhero movie villain that I've seen in a while, I can't remember her name.
[SPEAKER_01]: But like, the Darwin Slander, just some serious Darwin Slander, this was, to me, so far, like, again,
[SPEAKER_01]: the one thing I'll say like you know there may be a couple of tonal points I would say like the effects are not always yeah I read that that they weren't unbelievable like they're fine but not as good as Superman and again like
[SPEAKER_01]: Superman has been a sleeper for me where the the longer I've sat with it and every time I've I've re-watched I've liked it more.
[SPEAKER_01]: I just really like what that movie has to say and the way it makes me feel This is not as good as Superman but I think it is to me it doesn't read as a drop off like a worrying drop off like I don't think that this should be something
[SPEAKER_01]: Even if it comes out with like a rotten tomato score that looks low, I have a hard time viewing this as some kind of step backwards for people that enjoyed superman.
[SPEAKER_01]: The only other thing I'll say other than like the effects and maybe like it's just a couple of tonal things.
[SPEAKER_01]: Jason Mimoah
[SPEAKER_01]: I would probably have preferred a version of this movie that did not have that character.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm kind of fine with it, he's having fun with the character in the comics.
[SPEAKER_01]: Lobo is very almost kind of dead Polish at times in terms of not taking itself super
[SPEAKER_01]: I tend to think that, like, I really like seeing Jason Amoa in Dune and just letting him kind of do a little bit more of a serious thing, because he's gotten so into the comedy stuff.
[SPEAKER_01]: And unlike Chris Hemsworth, who I think really excels when he's given comedy and is a little bit more boring when he's not doing that, I kind of think Amoa is the opposite where
[SPEAKER_01]: I like that he's having fun.
[SPEAKER_01]: There's a little bit of the Nick Cage thing where he's just like, I'm gonna say, Zayne, yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Doesn't, that doesn't totally work for me.
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_01]: But I think it's used.
[SPEAKER_01]: He is not a big enough part of the movie for it to really be prepared.
[SPEAKER_01]: But I will say, that's the one thing that I think when you watch it,
[SPEAKER_00]: but this will be an interesting one if you want to hear us disagree is my gut because I I don't view Superman as fondly like I had an okay time with it, but that isn't my tonal scene
[SPEAKER_00]: and it is yours and like you have so many things on this podcast where just like lockstep on everything and when it comes to that kind of like Captain America first of venture crazy sincerity thing that's where I think we a little bit divulge even after seven years
[SPEAKER_00]: And so, whereas like disclosure day, I was walking into it, hoping it would be a 92% and be like my movie of the year and sci-fi in all the best ways, and I left disappointed.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm going to walk into Supergirl thinking it's a 55%.
[SPEAKER_00]: And so, hopefully, I then come out of it going, oh, that was more fun than I thought.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: It doesn't have my interest yet.
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't have any reason other than it's not my tonal.
[SPEAKER_00]: Tonal's name.
[SPEAKER_01]: And again, it's a totally pretty different from Superman's still, like, okay, I'm just, but we'll see, no, no, no, I just, I don't know.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think knowing in my mind, like, if it were a marvel,
[SPEAKER_01]: Like, because that's the only way I can think of it from your perspective, because I do recognize that, like you don't really have much investment with the DC stuff in general, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: And not that I've a ton, although, you know, I've read the comic that this was based on and the comic is incredible.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I do think some of the reviews have been people saying it doesn't quite live up to the comic.
[SPEAKER_01]: And that's probably fair, but I think, again, it doesn't much better job of adapting that comic than say, like, love and thunder did, adapting the JSON errand stuff.
[SPEAKER_01]: If you're looking at kind of the, like, a one for one thing.
[SPEAKER_01]: But for you, like, I don't know, I think if you and I went and saw it,
[SPEAKER_01]: As like a screener and it was like a more vibe of me.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think you would have a good time with it.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think you would like it.
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know if that carries over, though, if you don't have the investment, you know, so it may be a
[SPEAKER_01]: It was, it was at least fun for me to write a very positive review.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it's blowing up on Twitter, by the way.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, wow, and I'm sure here's the, here's the fun thing, though.
[SPEAKER_01]: People can't even call me.
[SPEAKER_00]: I love it.
[SPEAKER_00]: I love, I was gonna say, I love when our thing blows up for a non-normal reason, and for a positive one.
[SPEAKER_01]: We're not even a, we're not even in their pockets, you know?
[SPEAKER_00]: We can just hand it to Kevin Faggy all the time, but not your female lead chill.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's what you do.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's the thing.
[SPEAKER_00]: I, um, you're too pro-women, um, so that's, that's, that's, you know, like, becomes a dad, a girl dad.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_00]: And all of a sudden, look at all these things as the father of a daughter.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's how he's doing the whole episode from now on.
[SPEAKER_00]: I listen, I know women.
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_00]: I have a daughter and I'm married to one.
[SPEAKER_01]: I do know, though, I want you to see it so we can talk about it.
[SPEAKER_01]: I also think Onica won't really like it.
[SPEAKER_01]: It feels like a movie she would be into.
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_00]: As you know, hence you going with Emily, it gets more and more challenging to go with kids.
[SPEAKER_00]: So we got to find we're still trying to get a babysitter for toys where we're five.
[SPEAKER_00]: So we'll see.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: We'll get her onto the adventure eventually.
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, and then the last thing I'll say is talking about that comic.
[SPEAKER_01]: The Tom King, Bilcus Ebbly, a supergirl woman of tomorrow.
[SPEAKER_01]: comic that is currently on sale on a panelbound comics.com is, you know, there are a couple of Tom King comics that I've talked about at various times here at the vision book that we talked about around one division.
[SPEAKER_01]: He wrote Mr.
[SPEAKER_01]: Miracle that I've plugged a lot online.
[SPEAKER_01]: He just, he, he every now and then will just really hit these kind of homeruns and this is one of those.
[SPEAKER_01]: The art is also incredible and this kind of otherworldly thing that, in fairness, the movie was never going to be able to fully live up to.
[SPEAKER_01]: But if you like the movie, or if you don't like the movie and are just curious what people are saying is better than the movie.
[SPEAKER_01]: This is a great introduction to Supergirl, it's the great first DC comic if you haven't read any because it requires really zero knowledge of the universe.
[SPEAKER_01]: But I think it's
[SPEAKER_01]: It's a good, it's rare when you find something that is being directly adapted like this.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I think that's one of the things that I've liked about what James Gunn is doing, is he's trying to isolate specific runs or graphic novels that really spoke to him and then give them the chance to have a fuller.
[SPEAKER_01]: like audience by going up on the screen.
[SPEAKER_01]: And this was very much that.
[SPEAKER_01]: So you should go to panel bound comics.
[SPEAKER_00]: And you can either have them to stock, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, you can order this deluxe edition, which you should, but they also have the kind of compact comics paperback that's only like 10 bucks.
[SPEAKER_01]: So it's either way, but you will not
[SPEAKER_01]: regret that and uh they're going to be a lot more uh pinnabon comics wrecks coming up over the next couple of weeks.
[SPEAKER_00]: Heck yeah, four reasons we will talk about after the spring promo code friends from work all one word friends from work will be right back.
[SPEAKER_00]: So, Robin and Ty, this whole episode together, I was just thinking how unique it is for us that we were talking about movie theaters and the year they're having, and it's the best year since 2019.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I just think it's so interesting that that's also when we start the podcast.
[SPEAKER_00]: So there's actually even though even doing the podcast for a long, long time, as a reminder, the first year or so was mainly, hey, look at all these things that we love so much and let's celebrate that together.
[SPEAKER_00]: But then you and I right away, after one division, after Loki, kind of it started becoming not controversial, but
[SPEAKER_00]: this whole era has basically been shifting from that to us being kind of the minority being like, hey, this is really fun to still do maybe at the minority, but smaller than it was in 2019.
[SPEAKER_00]: So I think it's interesting and fun that maybe for the first time in five years, we as a podcast can start feeling some of that.
[SPEAKER_00]: Um, you know what I'm trying to say?
[SPEAKER_00]: Like, so yeah, positive momentum again, like the way it felt to cover one division week to week when it was so invoked or it was so popular to talk about it because everyone was in love, right?
[SPEAKER_00]: I would love for that to start, like that's what I'm starting to feel with Spider-Man.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm starting to feel like, uh,
[SPEAKER_00]: In fact, the only fear I have with Spider-Man after watching this trailer is just that I hope it lives up to the hype because the train has left, right?
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, like, if you're not on the hype train, you're going to have to run pretty fast to catch up.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I hope it lives up to that.
[SPEAKER_00]: But you know what I'm saying?
[SPEAKER_00]: Like, we've been through this era of not really, I don't know, I don't know the right words are, but it just be fun to have something universally celebrated again for a long time and be talking about that.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I mean, I feel like it was a we came out of 2019 and the hype kind of continued to build post-and game and then built through COVID.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I remember you and I used to talk about how there was this sort of nervousness around what happens when Marvel finally has a movie that isn't
[SPEAKER_01]: uh, fresh on Rotten Tomatoes and then that happened in eternals and I still think because that was such a unique thing yeah people were kind of fine with it and then no way home came out and that was such a big hit and then multiverse of madness was massive uh, you know first actually well received and but also divisive
[SPEAKER_01]: And I think around that, that time with all the new Disney plus stuff, we kind of started having to move more into, like, yeah, not a defensive posture necessarily, but,
[SPEAKER_01]: I see what you're saying.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's sort of random.
[SPEAKER_00]: The comments we would get in like 2020 were like, yeah, that is so fun.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like, man, Iron Man 2 actually is pretty great.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's so fun to rewatch it.
[SPEAKER_00]: Holy cow, what's going to happen in one division?
[SPEAKER_00]: And then somewhere in there, it started being like, man, you guys are shills, you know, quantumania sucks.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, um, uh, multiverse of matters was the worst movie I've ever seen.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's the comments we're now getting.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I'm right.
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh.
[SPEAKER_00]: This is like not as fun as it was a while ago.
[SPEAKER_01]: But then you realize as cheesy as it sounds, and especially as things get so, but busy, you have to, you have to,
[SPEAKER_01]: Like you have to just rely on enjoying the thing and enjoying talking about the thing and watching the thing, and I think it was such a strange process there for a couple of years because it got Marvel was so big, like as big as it had ever been in terms of the amount of stuff that was coming out and the amount of people that were paying attention, like even more so I think than in 2017.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and so there were more eyes on Marvel when it was
[SPEAKER_01]: maybe less sure of what it wanted to do than there had been when it was very sure of what it wanted to do and so I think the nice thing is like they're sure of it again now yeah that's the difference and you know we're still here still doing it because we're still care uh and yeah man I had not talked to you at all about the Australia yeah
[SPEAKER_00]: I'll wrap it fire you real quick because I this get this did it for me.
[SPEAKER_00]: This got me going um I'll start backwards.
[SPEAKER_00]: The final sequence of him doing the banter that I've been wanting the Andrew Garfield style.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: I got to show Andrew Garfield.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: So Andrew Garfield.
[SPEAKER_00]: A little meta almost to be like I'm not in high school anymore.
[SPEAKER_00]: Working backwards visually.
[SPEAKER_00]: It looks really cool.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, good for you.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, yeah, exactly.
[SPEAKER_00]: Funny, like, that's the banter.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's the Spider-Man 2 banter.
[SPEAKER_00]: That, sorry, the video game.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm, yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: visually it seems like it's going to be pretty awesome to see all the shots of the swinging.
[SPEAKER_00]: It looks like it's going to be really cool.
[SPEAKER_00]: Backpedaling more.
[SPEAKER_00]: We see the shot of the Hulk, which I think people than, people have been wanting, like yeah, Hulk, Hulk, dude.
[SPEAKER_01]: Let's comment the whole second.
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, okay, I'm just saying there's a lot like that is
[SPEAKER_01]: That is the first, it's the first version of the Hulk like that that we have gotten, actually, since since age of Ultron, because even Ragnarok was a tamer Hulk that had more ruffalo in the performance, and he talked more, and that was the whole point of it.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, but man, that was a fun, it's crazy how long it's been since we've had that.
[SPEAKER_00]: And it's bent.
[SPEAKER_00]: We've been big.
[SPEAKER_00]: We've been big proponents of the Hulk journey.
[SPEAKER_00]: So we're turning time into the minority.
[SPEAKER_00]: But as we've said, this podcast, it's time, right?
[SPEAKER_00]: Like when you saw that it was like this, we do need to Hulk that in folks a little bit of fear.
[SPEAKER_01]: And is your sense from that, that whatever is,
[SPEAKER_01]: Like, there's some kind of mind control stuff happening.
[SPEAKER_01]: So he's sort of having a similar Scarlet Witch situation.
[SPEAKER_00]: The big question is, is that Jean Grey?
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm sure you've heard this discussion for a long time.
[SPEAKER_00]: Tanner actually on our Discord brought up some good questions.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's a discussion we're going to have to have in our mail bag episode,
[SPEAKER_00]: I can see reasons why it's Gingray and I can see arguments why it'd be kind of a weird time to introduce Gingray and a movie that's supposed to be standalone and like why are we why not wait to bring X men in until we've wiped the board with the old X men and set the table but could you have this be a thing also there's no way they're doing dark phoenix already
[SPEAKER_00]: so why is Jean maybe it's a Jean who's really young and just like kind of getting comfortable with her powers she's not evil but she doesn't know what's going on.
[SPEAKER_00]: And then the question comes back to with these trailers is how much of the movie do we ever get shown in these trailers?
[SPEAKER_00]: Is this a lot of the movie that would be my fear?
[SPEAKER_00]: If it's just a tiny piece maybe we don't even know the villain yet.
[SPEAKER_00]: Maybe that explosion that you see the ripple of the mind control isn't
[SPEAKER_00]: Maybe it is Gene, but she's not the one doing that or maybe it's somebody else mind controlling the whole thing Yeah, I don't know.
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know.
[SPEAKER_00]: It does seem like there's some kind of invisible force that he's really wrestling with because like you saw the like haunted scene We're like yeah, the random people are being taken over almost like the void kind of saying like yeah, I'm gonna go see MJ Yeah, yeah
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's a big question mark still.
[SPEAKER_01]: I do, either way, as it pertains to the whole, I think I like that because they can just argue that something happens in the process of him,
[SPEAKER_01]: being controlled or unleashed or whatever that disrupts the balance that Banner had finally figured out and kind of led the genie out of the bottle to where he's back in a situation of kind of a classic Hulk where he can be set off and not able to control it in the same way
[SPEAKER_01]: I think it was going to be hard to just be like, okay, I had it figured out and now all of a sudden I don't again, but I think if they kind of have an inciting incident, I'm okay with that, especially again, because I think in my mind, I still think of a lot of these stories as kind of having ended.
[SPEAKER_01]: at endgame and so far as you wanted them to, I think they did a really good job of making that work on its own from top to bottom.
[SPEAKER_01]: And that's why I think I'm, I have fun with them doing, you know, continuing to take big bold swings because you told one story really well from chapter one to chapter
[SPEAKER_01]: If not, are we 100% sure that Sadie Sink is in brand new day?
[SPEAKER_01]: We are, right?
[SPEAKER_00]: That she's in the movie?
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, 100%.
[SPEAKER_00]: She's, I've watched the promo already.
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_00]: And she's been in interviews with Jacob Battalon, Zendaya, Tom Holland, and her.
[SPEAKER_00]: I watched one with Van Dango specifically, so she's a 100% in it.
[SPEAKER_00]: Also, there's a screenshot from the trailer that if you zoom in, you're pretty certain, even though she's a dark hood on that it is her face.
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_00]: But we have not then also seen that it's Sadie Sink mind controlling people, right?
[SPEAKER_00]: Like those are two set, they could be two separate shots.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yeah, I'm, I'm with you.
[SPEAKER_01]: It would be a weird.
[SPEAKER_00]: It'll be a weird time to like I'm weirdly less intrigued by that and her character like I don't mean this to be rooted all but Greg on discord was saying that Connor had also chimed in and said well you don't bring a star as big as Sadie sink in to just have her be some other character and I had to push back and be like is she that big of a star she's been in stranger things right.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like I Google their IMDB.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's not like she's, you know, I don't know.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm not going to be rude to Sadie Singh.
[SPEAKER_00]: But I'm saying like, no, I don't think she's so alists that you couldn't bring her in for somebody not jingray, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I, I would also say, I, this is maybe controversial.
[SPEAKER_01]: I had a tougher time with Sadie Singh in the last season.
[SPEAKER_01]: Stranger Things.
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, I felt like she was a real stand out in season four, you know, with the Kate Bush stuff and all that, but I, but I, yeah, I, anyway, so I, I'm with you.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, that's what I'm saying.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's not like we're like, oh my goodness, Sadie sinks here.
[SPEAKER_00]: She's gonna take over the whole movie as Jean Grey.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like, especially when you have Zindaya and, you know, you're already, yeah, you don't necessarily.
[SPEAKER_01]: But I just think it would be such strange timing to your point to introduce a new generation of mutants, right as we're supposed to be having this kind of massive rap on, right, a whole other saga.
[SPEAKER_00]: I personally also think like they're what was the whole point of this movie, one that they get back to not having to be so connected to everything else like doomsday and to that they make it super grounded.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I think to myself.
[SPEAKER_00]: If that's Jean Grey, I'm not saying I will be disappointed, but is not a little strange to one, make this person who's kind of by nature not as grounded.
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, mind controlling like dark Phoenix type thing, one, and two, if you're really interested in keeping it separated, why then take that to be the chance to introduce one of the most important X-Men now?
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, and that, yeah, I mean, that character has.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like, I cannot think of a character that is less connected to Spider-Man in the comics.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like, there are characters that have had at least like five least connected.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, like, there are characters that you wouldn't think are connected, but then, you know, there may be some surprise in parents.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, like one story that really, like, they both worked in and it was great.
[SPEAKER_01]: Or like, Spider-Man Daredevil very much connected.
[SPEAKER_01]: Spider-Man Human Torch.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like, where I would think, yeah, for sure, that would make sense.
[SPEAKER_01]: But this would be such a strange movie for them to do that in, and I don't.
[SPEAKER_00]: I just, I'm leaving the door open that it could still work if it is that.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm not saying the movie's got to stink, just because I kind of just don't, I don't want that because I just feel like there's so much spider-man lore to explore.
[SPEAKER_00]: And there's already, actually, if you want to share it in your lane, maybe.
[SPEAKER_00]: So, especially if they're already doing all these people, do we also then need Gene and they're doing tombstone and scorpion and, you know,
[SPEAKER_01]: Like, yeah, but then I, you know, I need to think about who that mystery villain could be, because there are certain things certainly like in the realm of the other transformation stuff, the other being the comic story that that they're at least partially adapting here, and there's stuff related to that and villains related to that that they could be bringing in.
[SPEAKER_01]: But I'm not sure that they necessarily behave in a mind control
[SPEAKER_01]: way, and also, in that sense, there's a line in the trailer where it's like, you're the only one that, that isn't, is it, isn't affected?
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, he's like walking through it, or whatever.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think Tremel Tillman is saying that to him.
[SPEAKER_01]: And is that, is your take that that's like a spider sense thing?
[SPEAKER_00]: That would be the obvious answer.
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know if there's something deeper than that.
[SPEAKER_00]: You know Tom Holland's been talking a lot about how for this movie.
[SPEAKER_00]: He went back and did a bunch of research on like, did you see that quote where he like, listen to thousands of, he says, and this is where it's an interesting line, but he said he's listened to hundreds of podcasts.
[SPEAKER_00]: He's been on Reddit forums trying to see what the fans want, which obviously we don't want to be reactive to all their ideas.
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, you could end up with a mess of a movie because he's like, well, they're like this and they're like this.
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, yeah, I mean, like what you talked about on your start was episode about like rice and skywalker, right?
[SPEAKER_00]: We don't want that, but to the degree that it got us like a cool or suit and that Peter's back to being poor and wrestling with those things like that's good.
[SPEAKER_00]: Here's my hot take.
[SPEAKER_00]: I also just watched the interview with him and Zendaya.
[SPEAKER_00]: They play the Spider-Man video games and they were talking about how good the games are and that she was like she's a
[SPEAKER_00]: Now we get this trailer where he's, you know, grossed out by organic webs.
[SPEAKER_00]: The dialogue is something's happening to me.
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know what's going on.
[SPEAKER_00]: He's also like majorly strong.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like he's taking Scorpion and just like slamming him on the ground, like the Hulk almost.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: In that first shot, is there any chance?
[SPEAKER_00]: that there's some we know some adaptation of like the human spider thing I don't think there's any chance that it's going to lead to him having spider legs I'm not saying that is there anything kind of like symbiotic as he's playing through spider man too that he took that to like is there a chance that there's any kind of redemption on spider man three of what do the black suit thing well and I didn't before we also is famously said
[SPEAKER_00]: That's what he said in an interview.
[SPEAKER_00]: And that in the synopsis, it says the villain is invisible.
[SPEAKER_00]: So maybe people have been thinking it's like hinting at like depression.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like that's what it means by like Spider-Man is like, doesn't know who he is anymore.
[SPEAKER_00]: But is there is there a possibility?
[SPEAKER_00]: There's a, you know what I mean?
[SPEAKER_00]: Like a hint that he's losing himself.
[SPEAKER_00]: See, I think that way.
[SPEAKER_01]: And that's what I always did long time.
[SPEAKER_01]: No, no, that's where I've been so intrigued since the first trailer
[SPEAKER_01]: My initial thought would have been, okay, they're gonna make brand new day.
[SPEAKER_01]: the equivalent to homecoming, but for this new era, you know, like, reestablish the status quo, the status quo.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, here's all the pieces, all these villains are out there.
[SPEAKER_01]: And he's in a new classic suit and you kind of, then, you know, in a sense, it's like the, the new hope of a new trilogy.
[SPEAKER_01]: And then I had always thought maybe the empire of this new trilogy would be a symbiothing where you get to see him.
[SPEAKER_01]: No, because I think that worked really well in the Spider-Man 2 game, like you're saying, where that sort of followed that.
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, it's so cool.
[SPEAKER_00]: That line.
[SPEAKER_00]: My gosh, I just beat it.
[SPEAKER_01]: But I now, like seeing them do the kind of darker thing, and maybe they're not doing that as much.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, his eyes going, yeah, black.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: And, you know, maybe it's like,
[SPEAKER_00]: He also looks extra strong, like the web tornado and like the way he's throwing score in.
[SPEAKER_01]: And that is a thing where like I think in the comics, in the comics corner, Tanner and Greg and I are gonna talk through the other, and that'll be a fun discussion to sort of think through the implications of that.
[SPEAKER_01]: But that all kinda has its grounding there too.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like he comes out of,
[SPEAKER_01]: This kind of metamorphosis as a you basically find out that ever since he was bit by the spider He's been kind of evolving and then there's this moment of like a next step and he comes out with
[SPEAKER_01]: like fuller spider powers where he doesn't have spider legs and stuff but like he has organic webbing now instead of the original web shooters and like I mean that's what they want you to the narration was literally that right you know there's been like I'm at a more facess and what emerges is you know that's literally the over the narration and I think you would point it out on a prior episode but like you know maybe the symbiotes is introduced
[SPEAKER_01]: like harness and control some of that stuff.
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, like maybe it's not,
[SPEAKER_01]: Like maybe they don't, they don't do the alien thing, maybe they take the kind of ultimate Spider-Man, like lab created symbiotes thing.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I think don't do alien.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think.
[SPEAKER_00]: And that's like he specifically has that conversation with Bruce where he's like, how do you pick the good parts of the DNA, but not the bad parts?
[SPEAKER_00]: And then Bruce is like, well, who's the decide?
[SPEAKER_00]: What's the bad part?
[SPEAKER_00]: Is that kind of good at the comic around your talking about?
[SPEAKER_00]: Or is that kind of good at what I'm talking about?
[SPEAKER_01]: No, I mean, I think like the,
[SPEAKER_01]: The comic, yeah, the comic run I'm talking about, it was a, a major, like he comes out stronger.
[SPEAKER_01]: And there's kind of this deeper spider thing in there that you hadn't really seen before.
[SPEAKER_01]: And part of it is the organic webs, but also part of it is like, there's a famous scene where it's like the post of a war era and Tony Stark is hunting him down.
[SPEAKER_01]: And he's Spider-Man.
[SPEAKER_01]: Spider-Man.
[SPEAKER_01]: This was the whole there was a whole period and and it's so funny in Marvel Comics where people hated Iron Man, because he was written to be a real villain like of the Okay, but then Robert Danny came in and made him so beloved that finally it redeemed it, but
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_01]: So he like is going after Spider-Man trying to like arrest him.
[SPEAKER_01]: And it's the first time that that Peter is kind of out using the new powers.
[SPEAKER_01]: And because he doesn't have web cartridges, he just like keeps webbing him up.
[SPEAKER_01]: And then it's like the the panel zooms out.
[SPEAKER_01]: And Iron Man's like totally like paralyzed with like wall to wall webbing.
[SPEAKER_01]: And it's this thing where he's like,
[SPEAKER_01]: first time, like going all out, it's like, like the new organic webbing and you're supposed to get this sense that kind of all of his powers have now been dialed.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's certainly what's going on with the hand, that shot, which is cool.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I'm so cool.
[SPEAKER_01]: But you know, so maybe to answer your question, it seems to me like because they're doing all that, that if they introduced the symbiot here,
[SPEAKER_01]: it would not be need to be resolved here.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like it would need to be.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's what I was going to say.
[SPEAKER_00]: If they are doing it, my only hope then is what if the movie ended with him in a black suit.
[SPEAKER_00]: And anyway, like we know we're making more of him.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's okay.
[SPEAKER_00]: That would be, we doesn't have to end resolved.
[SPEAKER_00]: That would give me chills.
[SPEAKER_00]: That'd be like if it was like the infinity war.
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, like, yeah, he's fighting at the whole time and then at the very end, it takes over.
[SPEAKER_00]: And that's how the movie ends.
[SPEAKER_01]: Although the problem is though what they want him to have some role in Tuesday, but but but I've got to say I mean it has to be said that the black suit in the comics famously comes from secret wars.
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, okay, okay, and I gotta say like in the video game There's a long stretch where you're the black organic suit before you turn into a jerk like it takes a while There's early signs, but at first he just thinks I'm super powerful and this feels good So you could be doing that during doomsday like wow, this guy's just strong We don't know who he is, but you know what I mean, and then then yeah the next movie is post-seeker wars
[SPEAKER_00]: And it's like a full embracing of it where he has to work it off or something.
[SPEAKER_01]: And there's, yeah, I mean, you know, it depends that they, they kind of set up Tom Hardy's venom symbiot, alien thing being in the MCU now, you know, at the, as the very last post credits scene of no way home, they could drop that or not.
[SPEAKER_01]: So if they want to go that direction, but then,
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, like in the comics, he goes to fight on the secret world with all the other heroes.
[SPEAKER_01]: And everybody else's, they're like costumes are getting all ripped up.
[SPEAKER_01]: So they find this machine that repairs everyone's costumes.
[SPEAKER_01]: And he's like, oh, I want that because my suits all ripped up.
[SPEAKER_01]: And they're like, yeah, it's this machine that's in there.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's this alien tech.
[SPEAKER_01]: And he like picks the wrong machine by accident.
[SPEAKER_01]: And it's the machine that's actually housing the symbiote.
[SPEAKER_01]: like accidentally redesigned a suit and doesn't know until he takes the suit to read Richards like way down the line that it's actually alive.
[SPEAKER_01]: And but the other thing in the comics too, they actually didn't do the thing where the symbiotes is a bad influence.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like, oh, that didn't come about until Venom isn't reduced.
[SPEAKER_01]: and really in like the 90s Spider-Man series is the first time that they kind of have like Peter starts to become more aggressive when he wears the black suit.
[SPEAKER_00]: And so that's the two things are confusing to me a little bit, but I now know you're talking about.
[SPEAKER_00]: over the years I've had to ask you questions of like what's venom versus the black suit?
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, right.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, I think that's the like the ideas is in the comic.
[SPEAKER_01]: The suit does want to to what's the word I'm looking for bond with Peter.
[SPEAKER_01]: and Peter rejects it because he doesn't like the idea of like wearing an alien around.
[SPEAKER_01]: And there are signs that aliens kind of like taking over Peter's body when he's sleeping and going and doing things, not like killing people, but just going and doing things.
[SPEAKER_01]: And but then he like rejects it and it finds Eddie Brock and Eddie Brock is separately mad at spider man and so they're kind of bonded by both resenting spider man and that's the first time you really see the symbiote be like an evil influence.
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, I think that's the premise of Spider-Man 3 right.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's the premise of Spider-Man 3.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, although Spider-Man 3 very much did the Peter's a jerk and more aggressive when he's wearing it.
[SPEAKER_01]: So they could
[SPEAKER_01]: they could do a very comic accurate thing and not do what Spider-Man 3 is done and not do what the video game is done and not even make the black suit an aggressive thing and do something totally different with it and still be comic accurate.
[SPEAKER_01]: So yeah, I don't.
[SPEAKER_00]: Here's how I can close this episode because one, this is a marathon episode but then two, we're going to have multiple weeks to talk about this, like get questions in, we'll talk one next week.
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, two things.
[SPEAKER_00]: One, it like I said, if they do it, I want them to do it really slowly.
[SPEAKER_00]: Again, if you play the video game, the first time you have it, it's celebrated.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's a thing that's healing Harry.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's like a really cool that we could do that.
[SPEAKER_00]: And for the first, you know, X amount of hours when Harry has it, you're fighting missions together, no problem.
[SPEAKER_00]: Then what Spider-Man gets it, he's no problem.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's like so slow and well-paced because occasionally there'll be a comment where he goes, like, no, he's mine and miles will be like, whoa.
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, easy.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's all right.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, but it's like that's all it is.
[SPEAKER_00]: He has the same thing mean and then later like MJ calls him saying like I don't know what your deal is but what and then he like hangs up or goes like wow, what's her problem.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's like the pacing of it.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's all.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like, wow, I don't know what's gotten into her.
[SPEAKER_00]: And like, remember there's one scene in the game where he, like, goes out and beats up a ton of people, doesn't even realize he's doing it and then falls asleep on a park bench.
[SPEAKER_00]: And when he wakes up, he's like, oh, I feel good.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: He's like, all right.
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, you know, what text messages I miss.
[SPEAKER_00]: He's like, happy about it.
[SPEAKER_00]: Even though you just did a bunch of stuff that's really sketchy.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: So if they do it, that's the pace.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like this movie doesn't have to be about it.
[SPEAKER_00]: This movie just has to be like this.
[SPEAKER_00]: Even if it's not even a symbiosis, but it's just kind of dark Peter.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: Then I hope they kind of slow play it.
[SPEAKER_00]: He doesn't have to be good Peter by the end of this movie.
[SPEAKER_00]: That is one thing.
[SPEAKER_00]: The second thing I'll say is, as with all these movies, if this movie is basically this trailer, I think it's gonna be a good movie and I'm gonna enjoy it.
[SPEAKER_00]: It already seems like if that's the plot, kind of as the trailer says, it's gonna be fun, I'm gonna love the interactions with Frank, with Bruce.
[SPEAKER_00]: If you're laying a show's up that's a huge win, it looks cool.
[SPEAKER_00]: So I think it's gonna be good.
[SPEAKER_00]: Where this movie could really skyrocket, is if there are some serious things that we have not seen yet.
[SPEAKER_00]: I just am really hoping that it's not just this.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like there's a whole another part of the movie.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like I have this feeling, the scorpion thing, is like the first shot and it's like a montage.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think of a lot of villains that he's just like kicking their butt.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and that has nothing to do with the movie I think is what's going to happen and do we and I hope we get in there and you and I like I'm grabbing your me going right Let me do in this I do think that generally Marvel has been pretty good about not
[SPEAKER_01]: giving the whole thing away.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like I think they are good about doing the thing that we talked about in-game, doing so well.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like they give you the trailer for 30 minutes there.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: Captain Marvel, it was that the scrolls are actually being abused.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like that was not at all a hit in the trailer.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm trying to think back.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm trying to think, other examples of that.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'll think about that offline.
[SPEAKER_00]: But you're right, you're right.
[SPEAKER_00]: I just hope it is that.
[SPEAKER_00]: I hope it's that.
[SPEAKER_01]: Especially if they're talking about the, they know that there's a, there's a, there's a level of hype and I, man, again, I think you're right.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think it's going to be a, there's going to be a big montage of stuff that he's been doing.
[SPEAKER_01]: And that's where most of the random villain shots come from, I think, did we figure out whether that is like a hand or a 10 rings.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think it is supposed to be the hand.
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'll give the disclaimer that it's hard for me to parse out what's a rumor and what's confirmed at this point.
[SPEAKER_01]: Isn't there a, is there a line in this last trailer where he's telling Frank, he has no reals to go?
[SPEAKER_00]: When's and day is there and I don't know if Frank, because Frank says who is she and then he says like, Frank, please, I have nowhere else to go.
[SPEAKER_00]: So I don't know, yeah, yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, man, that's the thing, I just think there has to be, like, there has to be something going on, you know, maybe like damage control turns on him, which feels predictable, I guess.
[SPEAKER_01]: But again, we have had five live action spider-rim movies.
[SPEAKER_01]: And there is still,
[SPEAKER_01]: a lot.
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, there are like a thousand almost coming up on a thousand issues of the amazing spider-man, not counting ultimate spider-man and spectacular spider-man and everything else in between.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like there is a lot of spider-man lore that they have barely scratched the surface on.
[SPEAKER_01]: And so I think that if like they finally have a chance to do,
[SPEAKER_01]: a fourth one and to have so much kind of goodwill going into it, I feel like they're going to want to take some big swings and that's the vibe that I get from the trailer.
[SPEAKER_01]: I like that they're dangling some stuff out there and I don't know, yeah, I again, my favorite feeling is to not know what they're doing with it, but I will say just that
[SPEAKER_01]: was like one of my, one of my favorite, like that's the, that's the stuff, like that's the stuff that we.
[SPEAKER_01]: We just never fully fully got in the original trilogy because of the time that Spider-Man was introduced right as all of the infinity saga stuff was coming to a head.
[SPEAKER_01]: We got so much great Tony Spider-Man stuff.
[SPEAKER_01]: We got some great Spider-Man Dr.
[SPEAKER_01]: Strange stuff and Guardians.
[SPEAKER_01]: but really other than some really kind of brief fun things in the endgame battle, that was the bulk of the MCU, like him with core MCU characters.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like we never got him with Thor, we never got him with the Hulk.
[SPEAKER_00]: And so, the line that got me more than even the Hulk thing was just Bruce sang.
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, one of my students, are you?
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: For some reason, that's like, oh, here we go, baby, here we go.
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, we gotta go love it.
[SPEAKER_01]: I love it.
[SPEAKER_00]: I love it.
[UNKNOWN]: I love it
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, you and I on this podcast love this stuff, we love these movies and as we mentioned, sometimes throughout the course of this podcast, the overall sentiment has not always been in agreement with us and then we've had to kind of almost defend certain things.
[SPEAKER_00]: And so I'm always extra sensitive to listening to the people involved and how did they talk about it?
[SPEAKER_00]: And my heart was done so much good with three separate instances that I'm maybe going to blank on this this week as I was watching promo.
[SPEAKER_00]: One, I saw this interview with Mark Ruffalo.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think it was an older interview like seven months ago, but just like directly sticking up for the MCU, and it was so cool.
[SPEAKER_00]: He was like, even specifically as about Martin Scorsese, he's like, look, to me it's all acting, it's all storytelling.
[SPEAKER_00]: And he said, he said this, I'll say this.
[SPEAKER_00]: I've never been in a theater of any of the high-brow directors where people are crying, cheering, standing up, laughing.
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, and he's like I love it because they were asking him like as someone who's been in both kinds of movies like the high-brow You know thing and then Marvel and he's like I love it.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's all storytelling.
[SPEAKER_00]: So I like that doesn't matter.
[SPEAKER_00]: Good personal one two To season daya and I saw a sit down of actors on actors was in daya and Andrew Garfield and the way they just gushed about how much fun they had on no way home And it was like you know two actors that are also in other things that are more indie and stuff and
[SPEAKER_00]: the the care they talked about it with like I didn't want to step on Tom's movie but then you know this I thought it'd be so cool if my Peter could help save him about hitting a blue and and then how much fun it was and like the first scene they shot together was the fall and how you know deep that scene was for him as his character and so that did my heart good and I'm blanking on the third one but I saw another pro marvel third thing this week and so all three of the things I was like that makes me my heart feel good that's all that's all that's all
[SPEAKER_01]: I love that.
[SPEAKER_01]: I, I, I will just say on that note, like we said at the very start of the episode is in day uh, is having such a wild year and she is, she is unique in that she has,
[SPEAKER_01]: She seems to have a really, either like a great sense for scripts and picking her projects, or she exerts some creative control, and I know that she and Tom Holland both read through the first drafts of the scripts and stuff and had notes and talked through all that.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I'm just getting the sense that she is
[SPEAKER_01]: she is uniquely gifted at making sure that the movie she is in.
[SPEAKER_01]: Turn out well, like she is not, I'm trying to think of a bad movie that she's been in and she is at a spot now where, yeah, like on the cynical side, you're going to make a lot of money being in spidery movie, so I get why she would, she would be in it.
[SPEAKER_01]: But also,
[SPEAKER_01]: I think if she didn't feel like this was a good look for her, she would not want the blow to her brand to be in a movie that she didn't think was going to be great.
[SPEAKER_01]: So there's just something about her choosing to come back when she had a really easy out and choosing to come back in.
[SPEAKER_01]: What looks to be a pretty significant way to hang around in this franchise when a lot of people might say like this franchise helped me get to where I am now a list and I no longer need it.
[SPEAKER_01]: So I'm going to go just be a list.
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, it's like, you hear like, Leo, uh, and, and Tim, the show, I mean, talk about how like, you know, you, you can never be in franchise stuff because when you're in franchise stuff, that automatically kind of dims your, your sparkle in some way.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like, you have to be the one that's not connected or like tied to that kind of stuff.
[SPEAKER_01]: And again, I'm just saying, you have to think she has every reason to not do it.
[SPEAKER_01]: And there's plenty of other things she could go and be a part of.
[SPEAKER_01]: So that is that Tom Holland, like all of the people that are involved with this, it's encouraging me on kind of multiple levels.
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