[SPEAKER_03]: That's a gay app name for a gay app podcast.
[SPEAKER_02]: Brian Soffy makes his gay ass return to that's a gay ass podcast looking stunning as ever.
[SPEAKER_02]: Brian, who gave you the right to be so handsome?
[SPEAKER_03]: I'll tell you my new SPF.
[SPEAKER_03]: Give it up for La Roche.
[SPEAKER_03]: Jose.
[SPEAKER_02]: Jose.
[SPEAKER_03]: The UV moon SPF 50 plus.
[SPEAKER_03]: And you're seeing.
[SPEAKER_03]: The new sunscreen filters that were just allowed in the United States, so I am state-of-the-art over here.
[SPEAKER_02]: Wait a minute, are you bragging that you are clued into international skin care that was once illegal in these Etazuni?
[SPEAKER_03]: Listen, I am a walking contraband.
[SPEAKER_03]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_03]: I am importing, exporting.
[SPEAKER_03]: I'm doing everything I can to extract things, to make my skin send and receive moisture in a very continental way.
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, it is giving continental or even intercontinental, if I may, Brian, and I have to say that we have so much to dive into, in addition to your skincare.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yes, there are going to be questions about your world travels.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yes, there are going to be questions about your off-Broadway debut.
[SPEAKER_02]: Any, yes, we are going to substax, so I can ask you about what?
[SPEAKER_02]: You're hairy, chest, and personal questions.
[SPEAKER_02]: Brian selfie first controversial question you are giving by coast all these days currently on which coast are you?
[SPEAKER_03]: I am currently on the west coast for about 30 hours and then I'll be back on the east coast in New York through the rest of the summer.
[SPEAKER_03]: But yeah, and I was just in Texas visiting my parents.
[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, are they the most glamorous cities?
[SPEAKER_03]: No, but here we go, you know.
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, I'd say El Paso ranks as the top five most glamorous cities in the country.
[SPEAKER_03]: Thank you, it's joyed.
[SPEAKER_03]: It really should.
[SPEAKER_03]: Beautiful rates, beautiful gowns, beautiful gowns, Taylor Swift's there, it's great.
[SPEAKER_03]: Wait, really?
[SPEAKER_03]: No.
[SPEAKER_03]: But you remember we'll need to set that about Taylor's left.
[SPEAKER_03]: Oh, right, exactly, exactly.
[SPEAKER_02]: Thank you for the connection.
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, wait, so, okay, because you are a podcast legend and I'm such a fan of yours,
[SPEAKER_02]: as a comedian as a human.
[SPEAKER_02]: I feel like I just want to sort of, yes, I have some questions prepared, but I think we should go with the wind on this episode.
[SPEAKER_02]: So since Taylor Swift half been brought up, do we believe that they're getting married at Madison Square Garden?
[SPEAKER_02]: Is that the truth Ellen?
[SPEAKER_02]: How could that possibly be true?
[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, it feels too tacky.
[SPEAKER_03]: Would anyone want to get me?
[SPEAKER_03]: But I do believe, by the way, that they have that many friends.
[SPEAKER_03]: They are the kinds of people who could actually fill 25 though, like their close friends include 25,000 people because when you look at her trajectory of meeting someone and then becoming best friends with them, think of all the people she's met in her life, it wouldn't be a fan event.
[SPEAKER_03]: It would literally be their friend.
[SPEAKER_02]: Let me in touch or call alone is going to bring a thousand of his own.
[SPEAKER_02]: Exactly.
[SPEAKER_02]: So, yeah, no, I'm really interested in where we're at culturally where we're believing that Taylor Swift is planning a Madison Square Garden wedding.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm also interested where we're at culturally because things are happening behind the scenes that are coming to light.
[SPEAKER_02]: One thing is that Brian Soffey Solo Show, called Are you mad at me?
[SPEAKER_02]: It is playing off Broadway July 10th to August 15th.
[SPEAKER_02]: And on the website, there is a quote from a Sir Andy Cohen, who is giving a really beautifully set review about Brian Soffey.
[SPEAKER_02]: Andy says Brian is as brilliant as he is hilarious, something I agree with.
[SPEAKER_02]: But my question for Brian Soffey as a gay journalist is what do we think about Andy finding his prince charming?
[SPEAKER_02]: It's big.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's huge.
[SPEAKER_03]: And also to go, I feel like Andy,
[SPEAKER_03]: maybe photographed or packed with someone before, it hasn't been deliberate and this is definitely like I feel like they're locked in.
[SPEAKER_03]: If Andy is promenade with this person around New York City, who, by the way, is a total, both of them are total catches and Andy's guy also is like catchy and then quirky.
[SPEAKER_03]: Do you know what I mean?
[SPEAKER_02]: Like what's quirky about him?
[SPEAKER_03]: Well, I don't know, it's just like you look at him and he's like, well, that's a really handsome guy.
[SPEAKER_03]: And then you look a little more and you're like, and he's got character.
[SPEAKER_02]: There's just so, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah
[SPEAKER_02]: how chic.
[SPEAKER_02]: I also find that it's just, you know, Andy is someone who asks so so many personal questions about his housewives and that's why we tune in, but then to see the sort of microphone be pointed towards him about his own love life and to see him coming on saying, I found the one.
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't know.
[SPEAKER_02]: A lot of gay people have feelings about Andy Cohen.
[SPEAKER_02]: I am very excited for him.
[SPEAKER_03]: Me too.
[SPEAKER_03]: I'm a fan.
[SPEAKER_03]: I've always been a fan.
[SPEAKER_03]: I just frankly, I feel like there wouldn't be movies like Bridesmaids even without him, you know, in a way, just because he really allowed women to not be perfect or, you know, that wouldn't be sloppy on camera with probably the best dialogue on television.
[SPEAKER_02]: 100%.
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, wish, wish, wishes, wishes, wishes, wishes, wishes, yes.
[SPEAKER_02]: No, I do feel a little embarrassed that I have not.
[SPEAKER_02]: I've only watched the first couple episodes of Rhode Island, but I'll, I'll, I'll, I'll, I'll get to it.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'll get to it.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm not caught up.
[SPEAKER_03]: But, in general, I do find myself, and possibly, I don't know, this is maybe because I was raised right, very alpha mother, that I, there is something very calming to me about watching these women express their opinions about, honestly, and get riled up about not very much, but there is something that I'm like, oh, good, someone else's in charge.
[SPEAKER_03]: I feel that way about Judge Judy too, where I'm like, oh, I don't have to stress out right now or get upset because you've got this handled.
[SPEAKER_03]: I can just fully relax into it.
[SPEAKER_03]: Which I guess I apologize.
[SPEAKER_03]: Some might think these are stressful shows, but yeah, sorry, go ahead.
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, some, but that's partly why I love watching couples therapy, dare I say, because or no, the therapist is so in control, but in the opposite way, in a calm way where I do feel so comforted by that.
[SPEAKER_02]: Have you watched a couple of therapy?
[SPEAKER_02]: Of course.
[SPEAKER_02]: And by the way, she is just so cool and so cool.
[SPEAKER_02]: Although, did you?
[SPEAKER_02]: I think she's so cool and so chic.
[SPEAKER_02]: Did you see her?
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't think so honey and lost culture.
[SPEAKER_02]: I didn't know.
[SPEAKER_02]: What did she say?
[SPEAKER_02]: The only time I've seen her falter.
[SPEAKER_03]: I guess what did she say?
[SPEAKER_03]: What was her, was it her subjects?
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: So she goes, she goes, I don't think so honey.
[SPEAKER_02]: People telling me to put a leash on my dog.
[SPEAKER_02]: And all of a sudden I'm like, well wait a minute.
[SPEAKER_03]: And she's like, relatable to no one except dogs.
[SPEAKER_02]: except for the dog's like, bro, you're driving me.
[SPEAKER_02]: So basically, she, who by the way, her dog is an angel and doesn't need to have a leash, I presume, but her point is that when she's like walking through the streets of New York and people give her shit for having her dog but not even in LA, not even in a dog bargeist.
[SPEAKER_02]: Walking in New York without any really is you know, I chose not to engage too deeply because I didn't want to change my perception of her and I was telling Matt about it.
[SPEAKER_02]: I was like, yeah, she had this really intense take about people being mad at her for now having a leash on her dog and I was like, this is one of the only times I can say like, or do I might be in the wrong?
[SPEAKER_02]: Because by the way, I love to walk without my dog like if there's a patch,
[SPEAKER_02]: in the so-called like reservoir were sensed in and I can take my dog off the lacing let him roam free it feels like I'm letting my child self run roam free you know like it is but but that's so controlled for or not to be on the streets of New York and then complaining that people are telling her to police in her dog right you find to be you know not on the right side of her street everyone including pedestrians and cars ignore crosswalks exactly it's not a work I can think of a
[SPEAKER_02]: And you know what, at least as far as problematic things go for Orna, it's a dog leash thing and not like her feelings about an entire race, you know, like at least that's true, but the idea that Orna could say that then look around a room nodding is
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, it's also nuts that I find it to be so calming to watch couples and crisis.
[SPEAKER_02]: I think that's another topic for maybe another day.
[SPEAKER_02]: But I, it's the thing, though, I get it.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's sort of just like, at least it's not me.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, it's not, God go lie.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I myself am in a legal marriage and I find it's so refreshing to see people have much worse problems than we have.
[SPEAKER_02]: Um, as a little Easter egg before we go to the substrate after the main pod, um, can you tell us, uh, do you have a public stance about your relationship status?
[SPEAKER_02]: Are you giving a single?
[SPEAKER_03]: Oh, yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: I am.
[SPEAKER_03]: I am not single.
[SPEAKER_03]: I am with someone.
[SPEAKER_03]: I call him my private client because he works in like a public sector job.
[SPEAKER_03]: And I just don't want to bring him into my mess, which is so smart.
[SPEAKER_02]: And God bless a, uh, a gorgeous boundary.
[SPEAKER_02]: Um, uh, how long have you been with this private
[SPEAKER_03]: we've been dating for probably four years and have been locked in together for probably like a year and a half because that is actually the reason I'm in New York so much now is we met in New York and then that is what's been taking me there more and more because his job doesn't really allow him to come to LA except he'll come visit unlike a weekend or something but when I'm not working here it's very easy for me just to sort of
[SPEAKER_03]: Carol Radsaville, shack up there, and so that's what I do.
[SPEAKER_02]: But there I say you're living a dream, Brian, to have, to have a gorgeous man in New York, that you can sort of put your bags down and enjoy.
[SPEAKER_02]: But then if you need an escape, go back to your LA home and silver lake.
[SPEAKER_02]: I find that to be the dream.
[SPEAKER_03]: I have to tell you, it is, you talk about boundaries.
[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, when things get heated, there can easily be 2,500 miles between us, and it's not a problem.
[SPEAKER_03]: It doesn't really,
[SPEAKER_02]: The idea that that's there is actually, it's literally, uh, any couple's dream, which is just the like choice choice of escape.
[SPEAKER_03]: I find to be, I gotta say it's, it's absolutely fabulous.
[SPEAKER_03]: So when someone says that by coastal, I do go with it, but I'm also like, but I'm only paying for one place.
[SPEAKER_03]: You know what I mean?
[SPEAKER_02]: That is a fun distinction with bike hostiality, which is, you know, if you are in fact in a place to be able to pay for two homes, that is, you know, we all aspire, I think.
[SPEAKER_02]: Of course, you're on your, you're on your god damn way.
[SPEAKER_02]: And in fact, another little Easter egg that we'll get into is you just wrapped you are 9th season of 9-1-1 on ABC, which is, so, I mean, how crazy to be employed right now in Hollywood, Brian, it's just, it is.
[SPEAKER_03]: I believe me.
[SPEAKER_03]: I am in the tar pits.
[SPEAKER_03]: I am there with the man.
[SPEAKER_03]: If I'm saving that baby.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, it is it's it's I listen.
[SPEAKER_03]: I am that is a job that just I was supposed to be on that job for like two episodes.
[SPEAKER_03]: I think and then it just
[SPEAKER_03]: It's just been, I don't even know the word.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's been such an incredible thing that I've been able to be on it.
[SPEAKER_03]: First, long as I have, and really not only do I think like the show run the producers for that, I also think Jennifer love hewitt for that, who I am with all my, many my seats are with her, and she's just such, she's just been,
[SPEAKER_02]: Such a champion for me in that way and yes, I'm very very happy to be working Well, I was actually going to bring her up because your show Which sounds amazing.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's for anybody who doesn't know Brian has done this in Edinburgh I've done an abunction LA and I was getting like a delicious 30 show run in New York City Past guests of the podcast Kevin Zach is working with you on a Oh, he's Kevin been on this show.
[SPEAKER_02]: He's he's been all we I'm not only such a fan of his but of course and love because who couldn't be
[SPEAKER_02]: But the Jennifer Love Huit of it all, she's one of the producers on your show, which is so cool.
[SPEAKER_02]: I think though as a gay ass podcast host who used to bring up will be Goldberg on just about every episode, I wanted to take a return to form here and ask you.
[SPEAKER_02]: If you have filmed so many scenes with Jennifer Love Huit has a sister act to ever come up between you.
[SPEAKER_03]: You know, what?
[SPEAKER_03]: I don't think how it must have at some point, but I don't know that it has to be honest, which is a real real blind spot.
[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, that, well, what have I been doing for the past, you know, when do you when you next on set and when you think you can ask her?
[SPEAKER_03]: The later in like an August, basically, I'll be back.
[SPEAKER_03]: Oh, so I will, I will, I will ask her.
[SPEAKER_03]: It'll be a run-in screaming.
[SPEAKER_03]: just like that guy didn't widows bathe or something in the fog.
[SPEAKER_03]: I'm going to say, why haven't we talked about sister active.
[SPEAKER_02]: Brian, I haven't started it yet and I hear it's a hear it's everything.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's so fun.
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, it's great.
[SPEAKER_02]: You'll love it.
[SPEAKER_03]: Periodic.
[SPEAKER_03]: Or you're not a horror movie person or you just haven't started it because blah.
[SPEAKER_02]: Um, you know, it's actually both.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm, but I, I horror for me is, you know, my, I famously, my famous dance is that why would I pay to feel anxious when I already have it every hour of every day, however I hear that one's giving a little more psychological, is that definitely it's not like I went into it thinking, because I do love horror, the problems that just don't love watching horror by myself.
[SPEAKER_03]: Um, but I like going with someone and being in an audience or something.
[SPEAKER_03]: But this is not that.
[SPEAKER_03]: It really isn't.
[SPEAKER_03]: There are not really any, it's more psychological, I would say.
[SPEAKER_03]: There are some jump scares, but it's not like watching, you know, obsession or something like that.
[SPEAKER_02]: Sure.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's better to be jump scared at home, I think, too, when you're watching like a television program.
[SPEAKER_02]: I watch the substance and theaters with 10 fingers in front of my eyes.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I'm glad I saw it.
[SPEAKER_02]: But like, yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: No, if you can handle this substance, even that way, I mean, this is, it's nothing like that.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_02]: God bless America.
[SPEAKER_02]: I will say, though, I have to do my duty, my duty as a podcast host by asking you an updated podcast question, Brian Soffey, when you came on this podcast years ago, which by the way, everybody should go back and listen, I was re-listening to prepare for this and Brian is always such a peach, but you give a great answer for what made you gay.
[SPEAKER_02]: You said it was Lily Tomlin and that mid-Lars Big Business, which was really important.
[SPEAKER_02]: I think we want to delve into your herstery even more by asking you an updated question, which is Brian Soffy who was your first gay who was the first gay you saw and said that could be me?
[SPEAKER_03]: Oh, okay let me think okay, I got it
[SPEAKER_03]: Not a famous person though, is that okay?
[SPEAKER_03]: Even better.
[SPEAKER_03]: I went to a community theater production of Lost in Yonkers, okay?
[SPEAKER_03]: By Neil by one Neil Simon who has never even made me crack half a smile.
[SPEAKER_03]: Uh-oh, Neil Simon catching strays.
[SPEAKER_03]: Who's never even
[SPEAKER_03]: made me say, huh, anyway, I was watching this community theater production of Lost and Yunkers and the guy playing, I believe the main characters I forget her name, but it Mercedes-Roll played her in the movie.
[SPEAKER_03]: The guy playing, I think her brother, who's like a gangster, and he teaches the kids about what moxie is.
[SPEAKER_03]: I remember thinking like,
[SPEAKER_03]: and, by the way, don't know how I figured this out, it's such a young age, but I later found out that he was, in fact, gay, even though he was playing this really alpha gangster, I just had a sense about it.
[SPEAKER_03]: And I remember thinking, just this tough talking guy, I also had like, speaking of big business, big business, working girl.
[SPEAKER_03]: These were all movies that I believe is so pedestrian when I was a kid.
[SPEAKER_03]: So we were all movie set in New York.
[SPEAKER_03]: And so I feel like it lost in Yonkers when along with that theme, where I was like,
[SPEAKER_03]: Watching this guy do this horrible, bronx accent and thinking to myself, I have got to get to New York.
[SPEAKER_03]: And even though I may fuck this man, probably didn't think that at the time.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, how old are you when you saw this production of the lawsuit?
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, two.
[SPEAKER_03]: Two young to think something might bat.
[SPEAKER_02]: I can fuck this man.
[SPEAKER_03]: Hug this man.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, hug.
[SPEAKER_02]: No, we all had horrific thoughts at nine years old about other men that we don't talk about it.
[SPEAKER_02]: But we really did.
[SPEAKER_02]: So I, it's so funny how there's so much discourse around like age gap ship, but we don't go necessarily into the nine year old to like,
[SPEAKER_02]: You know, our nine-year-old crushes, I have said that's in the podcast before.
[SPEAKER_02]: I dreamt at 10 years old.
[SPEAKER_02]: I had dreams of climbing up the men's bodies who would come into my dad's farm massia, and I would dream about grabbing their, what's the call when you've got stubble?
[SPEAKER_02]: They're stubbleed face.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I would dream about making out and like sucking their bottom lip.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm 10 years old.
[SPEAKER_03]: Right.
[SPEAKER_03]: Like I had a sweet thing coach when I was a kid, basically.
[SPEAKER_03]: And he was also now that I think about it definitely gay, definitely.
[SPEAKER_03]: But just blonde, ramped so friendly, so nice.
[SPEAKER_03]: And I remember thinking, like, I would love to just like take a nap on his stomach.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: And I was like, good.
[SPEAKER_03]: Seven.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: But just a house sweet for the nap to come to mind.
[SPEAKER_02]: I think it's like, you know, you just wanted to sort of like feel his belly rise with his.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yes, and there's a beautiful innocence to that.
[SPEAKER_02]: But the funny thing when we go to the Lost in Yonkers is as you were explaining the gangster role being portrayed by this homosexual, I went to that he was portraying it as like a huge, faggy fembot.
[SPEAKER_02]: But you're saying that he was actually pretty convincing as the gangster man, you just inherently knew that he was gay.
[SPEAKER_03]: I, I, something in me knew.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: And he, but he was he was presenting is like, Hey, kids, you want to walk around like you're tough.
[SPEAKER_03]: You know what I mean?
[SPEAKER_03]: It's very bad.
[SPEAKER_03]: And then, uh, and then, but I just knew I was like, uh, something is not clean in this buttermilk, you know?
[SPEAKER_02]: Yes, sure, and then you'd be turning your own buttermilk and creating the buttermilk capital of the world New York City Yeah, thank and and and that always said that Since you are getting us into theatricality I don't think I asked you this last time you were here were you Brian Safi giving us Broadway performances in your high school productions.
[SPEAKER_02]: Is there any?
[SPEAKER_03]: No, I really missed out on that
[SPEAKER_03]: I don't know.
[SPEAKER_03]: I really didn't like the drama teacher at the school.
[SPEAKER_03]: I just had a real By the way, I was casting another Neil Simon play that was going to be like in my freshman year.
[SPEAKER_03]: No, it's sophomore year called Fools.
[SPEAKER_03]: I thought the script was god awful.
[SPEAKER_03]: I said, this has been me for me.
[SPEAKER_03]: And I also did not like the drama teacher.
[SPEAKER_03]: I thought she was, she wasn't mean.
[SPEAKER_03]: I just didn't think she was very good.
[SPEAKER_03]: And so I went over into the speech and debate.
[SPEAKER_03]: Oh, yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: So I did almost equally gay.
[SPEAKER_03]: It is almost equally gay.
[SPEAKER_03]: The debate part may be not so much, but the speech part, like the dramatic interpretation, all that stuff definitely.
[SPEAKER_03]: And for those, I did plays that I don't even,
[SPEAKER_03]: And no, if they ever even actually got predi- I mean, they must have been produced at some point because I got them from like Samuel French Sure, but I'm trying to even remember the names of them.
[SPEAKER_03]: One was called my son Susie.
[SPEAKER_03]: One was called I son Susie.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, progressive.
[SPEAKER_02]: Wow, it's probably ahead of its time.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yep.
[SPEAKER_03]: And then another one was called, like, rip your heart out, piece of shit, or some, I don't remember.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's been, yeah, my Samuel Frenchies were, um, check please and then, um, check please take two or they were like the, the one acts that, uh, right, sort of, you know, raised me.
[SPEAKER_02]: No, I sort of love that you've always dare to say how to strong opinion.
[SPEAKER_02]: I think the fact that you have fought Neil Simon was a hack from teenage years.
[SPEAKER_02]: I find to be a really sort of Brian Soffie affirming thing is do you think you've always been this way?
[SPEAKER_03]: Well, I think it, I can be kind of confident enough to express that opinion.
[SPEAKER_03]: Probably not because the kid I was like, guys, this link isn't funny, or am I not funny?
[SPEAKER_03]: And now I'm firmly like, no, that's not funny.
[SPEAKER_02]: You know, when when in the switch happened because I, I still to this day will have moments of like, was, is my whole career a mistake.
[SPEAKER_02]: Um, should I sort of be a buttermilk churner and not ever talk to another person for as long as I live.
[SPEAKER_03]: No, because you're smart and funny.
[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, objectively, I think any one could say anything.
[SPEAKER_03]: So, but your career is on the stick.
[SPEAKER_02]: How did you, where does your confidence come from?
[SPEAKER_02]: I guess it's a question, especially if you get gay kid from Texas.
[SPEAKER_03]: Right.
[SPEAKER_03]: I think I definitely always knew what I wanted and where I wanted to go.
[SPEAKER_03]: In terms of, by what I wanted, I mean, get out of Texas and go to New York and become an
[SPEAKER_03]: I knew that immediately.
[SPEAKER_03]: And then I think I really had like, really, I mean, we're so good now, but like my coming out was disastrous in terms of my family.
[SPEAKER_03]: So then I didn't speak to them for a few years and I think it all came from that being like, oh right, I don't need these people.
[SPEAKER_03]: It'd be nice to have them sometime, but I don't really need this.
[SPEAKER_03]: And even when I became,
[SPEAKER_03]: really good with them again, and they came apologizing and wanted a really strong relationship.
[SPEAKER_03]: I was sort of like, yeah, I mean, that would be nice, but it's okay.
[SPEAKER_03]: Also, if that doesn't happen, it did happen now, and I'm very happy for that.
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, it's like it's in a way, it's like you were sort of put through the ring of fire, as it were, to realize that you do have all that you need yourself.
[SPEAKER_02]: I think that's something.
[SPEAKER_02]: Exactly.
[SPEAKER_02]: Like, maybe that's sometimes my issue, is that, or my cross to bear is that I can sometimes fear that I do need outside, whether it's validation or whatever, instead of just like pull my own boot straps up.
[SPEAKER_02]: I definitely need that too, though.
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, for sure.
[SPEAKER_02]: Otherwise, why get on stage, you know?
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, by the way, speaking of the horror, the horrors of a solo show, I have similarly been taken one to a few different places, and it really is equally gratifying and horrifying experience.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's definitely both.
[SPEAKER_03]: I Edinburgh definitely trained me for it, but I realized at the end,
[SPEAKER_03]: really about the middle of my run there because you do you have great nights and then you have not so great nights and then by the end I feel like most of the nights were great because what was nice there is by the end of it which is about as long as the run I'm doing in New York.
[SPEAKER_03]: I sort of was like oh I mean you just you just have to make really yourself laugh and make the tech people laugh because they've seen it so much that if you can still get in them your show
[SPEAKER_03]: that is what the show developed into is and also realizing, I think this was a big lesson for me, realizing that with a solo show, it is your show.
[SPEAKER_03]: In other words, it can morph every night if you want it to.
[SPEAKER_03]: You can go off track.
[SPEAKER_03]: Like I sometimes say this show is like sleep no more for people please or it's because the audience shapes it so much now.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's so interactive and hopefully not annoying way, but like
[SPEAKER_03]: We're all kind of in it together in every night's a big surprise.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, sleep no more for people, please.
[SPEAKER_02]: There's also stuff like a whole whole house, like, what's it called?
[SPEAKER_02]: Like a, what's it?
[SPEAKER_02]: Wait, why is it too early that I'm having, what are Halloween?
[SPEAKER_02]: What do they call when you go to get scared?
[SPEAKER_02]: What the call says?
[SPEAKER_02]: Thank you, haunted house.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's a haunted house because I'm two of people please are in fact the Description on the website for your show is a Sophie Spirels through anxiety Awkwardness and people pleasing and the absurd emotional gymnastics of wanting desperately to be liked Yeah, many of us gay girlies experience, but the sleep no more reference really really tickled me I had an ex boy from my first ever boy for my first love so intense
[SPEAKER_02]: He was, you know, beautiful.
[SPEAKER_02]: We were so in love, he was also always broke, but he would save $112 every few weeks to go see sleep no more.
[SPEAKER_02]: And then try to make out with the boy witch and it would piss me off every goddamn time.
[SPEAKER_03]: Obviously it would.
[SPEAKER_03]: This person was saving money to spend not on you, but to have a chance with someone who was in probably the most annoying show that's ever existed.
[SPEAKER_02]: I, I too did not really get the hype when I saw it, meaning like I would rather see the interactive Phantom to be honest, like that I will see I hear it's so good mask right here, so good, how, how is it possible?
[SPEAKER_03]: a friend of mine who is a real big bitch loved it so yeah I think everyone I talked to him is like it's amazing and I guess frankly like before I saw jellicle ball when people said oh cats is incredible I was like girl so maybe but
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, that's I had to I've had to be careful with cats the jellicle ball because I really really really really did love it But I also you know, I'm getting a little more comfortable on the mic saying this But I think like the reality is the reality which is a cats the jellicle ball is so fucking brilliant What they are doing is is so fun and the performers are killer and yet it is the musical cats like yeah Is when I went and saw and I started to hear oh you blind when you're
[SPEAKER_03]: I was sort of hoping for a new show.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, right.
[SPEAKER_03]: To me, it's the only time to show's made sense.
[SPEAKER_02]: Is 100% 100% and I agree with that.
[SPEAKER_02]: I agree with that.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's just, you know, you're just saying at the end of the day, it's the music from cats.
[SPEAKER_02]: And it is, and I have a, have a fraud relationship with that piece.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm married to somebody who is deeply entrenched in the fandom, which I can only respect.
[SPEAKER_02]: But I have, I think, resentment towards him because he forced me to see the movie in theaters.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I felt that, that was my coinage.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I did see the revival, like, I don't know, 10 years ago in New York.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I thought it was, again, like the performers were killer.
[SPEAKER_02]: happening.
[SPEAKER_03]: If you know what it's interesting, it really is a performer show.
[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, it is such a chance.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's almost like a chorus line in that way where it's like such a chance to do a full flex.
[SPEAKER_02]: And yet you're in the shit show, you know what I mean?
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, but that's why I think the Jellicle ball works so well as because the casting was so brilliant.
[SPEAKER_02]: like when memory happens in the second act I fully cried.
[SPEAKER_02]: Girl, I know it's gonna happen.
[SPEAKER_02]: But it's just, you know, and that's, of course, worth the price of admission alone.
[SPEAKER_02]: Also, Runtum Tucker, who is one of the hottest men alive.
[SPEAKER_03]: By the way, fully half-chubbed, basically through that whole show.
[SPEAKER_02]: And thank goodness gracious.
[SPEAKER_03]: I wish I was just 9 a.m. that's what
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, I wish that he did this podcast and I wish I had asked him about his half-chub, but, you know, whatever, I'll have to ask.
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, I'm in.
[SPEAKER_02]: I was.
[SPEAKER_03]: Oh, yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm not the half-chove.
[SPEAKER_03]: Of course.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: You know, yeah, I mean, the outfits alone would bring blood flow to any humans.
[SPEAKER_02]: Any human, yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: Any humans in a tail.
[SPEAKER_02]: Speaking of, I'm not going to go speaking of a hotgen of tail, but speaking of, there was something you brought up about being a young gay guy in New York that I just wanted to really make sure I hone in on before we head over to Substack or and ask my final questions on the main.
[SPEAKER_02]: Um, did you see the recent cliff that's getting attention, uh, from Kevin Fallen's podcast to we love here.
[SPEAKER_02]: He interviewed Andrew Randall's and Andrew Randall said that he, uh, dated Anderson Cooper and there was a storyline from girls that was inspired by Andrew Randall's telling Lena Dunham this, uh, and there was like an age gap thing from girls.
[SPEAKER_02]: I was inspired by Andrew Randall's dating Anderson Cooper.
[SPEAKER_03]: Wow, no, I had no idea.
[SPEAKER_03]: It was a great lure.
[SPEAKER_03]: You know what's, first of all, it's incredible.
[SPEAKER_03]: I don't see them together at, I mean, I know none of those people are.
[SPEAKER_03]: But it's the same saying.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, but it's kind of, it's our prerogative to sort of do our own psychological deep thoughts because let's call a spade.
[SPEAKER_02]: Anderson Cooper is giving serious journalists to sure
[SPEAKER_02]: And Andrew Randall's is giving sort of, I don't know, show queen, yeah, um, entertainment, like, I don't, I just can't professional though.
[SPEAKER_02]: I could see him being kind of air.
[SPEAKER_03]: I don't know if I'm a Randall's.
[SPEAKER_03]: I for me, I would want to go on the day with Andrew.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: You would want to go on the date with Andrew and Anderson Cooper.
[SPEAKER_02]: You think Brian Sauffin and Anderson Cooper would not be I don't think it's the right fit.
[SPEAKER_03]: No, because I don't like to be intimidated by people.
[SPEAKER_02]: You know?
[SPEAKER_03]: And I feel like I would come in with such a chip on my shelves or being like, yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: I read the entire New York Times today for this day like I don't I don't want to do that kind of homework And he's like no one asks you to but you're still a little bit so defensive out of the state out of the state Yeah, and the mighty order and I would say that's what I was gonna get you know And it's just like that.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, yeah, this might explain your relationship in Neil Simon if I'm It turns out I just be having strong opinions is just me being really insecure And having to scream something out quick
[SPEAKER_02]: You know, I rather than your times Anderson.
[SPEAKER_02]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_02]: No, I've always had a two big of a crush on Anderson Cooper.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I think that it's fun.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's fun to see our sort of like insecurities and issues diverge because for me, I think the reason why I do go towards an Anderson Cooper is because I want to convince him that I matter Even though I know he doesn't think I do
[SPEAKER_03]: To me, I have a real issue with I get very nervous around people who are old money and you know it's like the whole I never whisper so the whole you know money talks wealth whispers is something I I can't can't afford that like I'm not a whisper you never
[SPEAKER_03]: I'm half Middle Eastern.
[SPEAKER_03]: Everyone of my family knocks over shit on every table.
[SPEAKER_03]: You know what I mean?
[SPEAKER_03]: Like we walk in, we're talking over the televisions.
[SPEAKER_03]: Like, I couldn't imagine dating someone like him.
[SPEAKER_03]: It would be very uncomfortable for me.
[SPEAKER_02]: You know, it's a great, great, I think Jews are very similar to that, where Jews have never whispered in a life and I think that I too would feel intimidated by the old money of it all.
[SPEAKER_02]: But how nice would it be to not have to worry about anything like that?
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, listen, I do want to ask before the final character act trust question.
[SPEAKER_02]: You like to see it.
[SPEAKER_02]: You, in our last interview for this pod, said you like to see the world and you like the world to see you.
[SPEAKER_02]: You've traveled all over.
[SPEAKER_03]: And I want, yeah, go ahead.
[SPEAKER_02]: I, the first of all, Bated you probably into saying that so don't have any self-hatred when I tell you that was said but I do want to make sure we Touch in on that you recently went to Mexico City with the gay icon Michelle Collins.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_02]: I just want to send her some public love because I Obsessed with her You give us a quick snapshot into what Brian Soffey and Michelle Collins got up to and
[SPEAKER_03]: It was so fun.
[SPEAKER_03]: We were there very limited to like four days or something.
[SPEAKER_03]: We had booked this hotel, it looked great.
[SPEAKER_03]: We got there, it wasn't immediately checked out.
[SPEAKER_03]: Went to a different hotel, that was much better and cheaper.
[SPEAKER_03]: So it actually worked out in our favor.
[SPEAKER_03]: We walked everywhere, we, you know, she's a great traveler, because I traveled like this too, where I'd like to have a couple of things on reserve, in case I need them, but I really just like,
[SPEAKER_03]: walking around, looking in a restaurant or anything, a shop, and being like, oh, that looks fine.
[SPEAKER_03]: I wanna go in there.
[SPEAKER_03]: And usually when you're only one or two people, you can just say, do you have anything at the bar?
[SPEAKER_03]: They always do.
[SPEAKER_03]: And so you don't really need to worry about, and neither of us are also like fine dining.
[SPEAKER_03]: People I know that Mexico City is known for really these like five stars, 11 course meals.
[SPEAKER_03]: That's never really been my vibe.
[SPEAKER_03]: And the food there that we had was delicious, but I like playing it a little bit loose when I travel and not,
[SPEAKER_03]: feeling like now sometimes they will make reservations or I want to go on a specific tour or something but Yeah, that's just actually a very chill trip in a way that I loved it felt it felt very immersive.
[SPEAKER_02]: It was very sleep no more and you know what, and I'll come back It all comes back to Master Raid.
[SPEAKER_03]: It was fun and the men's were there was so great like it was fun to go shopping there
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, I love a shopping moment.
[SPEAKER_02]: Did you win Michelle Go just on like a friend trip or was there any was there work involved?
[SPEAKER_02]: There was no purpose to it.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, she was going to go and set her you around this weekend or whichever few weeks ago and I said yes and so I just went down there.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, it was great.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's I'm really feeling inspired by you because I'm
[SPEAKER_02]: I tend to come from a place of scarcity in many ways and I'm really trying to get better at paying for the trip and going to see the world and not constantly worrying about am I being productive enough and am I saving enough?
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, blah blah.
[SPEAKER_03]: But you are.
[SPEAKER_03]: I don't know about your savings, but I will say you are a productive enough.
[SPEAKER_03]: You work really hard and like you should.
[SPEAKER_03]: You should.
[SPEAKER_01]: I know what you mean though.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's like when I'm out of town, that's when it happens.
[SPEAKER_03]: Right, and by the way, you can fly back if it does, literally.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I actually am about to go not on like a girl-pal trip to Mexico City, but I am about to go for a week with my in-laws.
[SPEAKER_02]: We do it every summer to Amelia Island, off a jack for the Florida.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's a very, it's, it's a very sweet, lovely vacation.
[SPEAKER_02]: We do every single year, but my big plan is to read Lena Dunham's new memoir.
[SPEAKER_02]: So I will be reporting back on the audio version of it.
[SPEAKER_02]: Unactually Michelle's recommendation.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's great.
[SPEAKER_02]: I love that.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's really good, love.
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, let's do the final podcast question that I did ask you a few years ago, but the answer can always change because it's sort of like a daily Check in at Brian Soffy the final question we asked before we go over to Substack is if the world was ending you could only save one character act traps
[SPEAKER_03]: You say, but I want to know who did I pick last time I'm curious I don't remember do you remember I don't remember.
[SPEAKER_03]: Okay, it's fine.
[SPEAKER_03]: I first of all the world of one of your guys were on recently a listen to that episode and they said Tim, one of them said Tim Curry, which was so funny to me and I first of all I want to say the entire cast of clue is worth say.
[SPEAKER_03]: I'm not actually absolutely every single one of those people.
[SPEAKER_03]: Um, I'm gonna go with, I tried to think of someone more current because mine are always.
[SPEAKER_03]: So I think I'm gonna go with Julia at Lewis.
[SPEAKER_03]: Oh my god, wait, what is, what is starting answer because it's also very timely.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_03]: And I rock you horror.
[SPEAKER_03]: Rocky horror.
[SPEAKER_03]: And I remember.
[SPEAKER_03]: first seeing her in Cape Fear.
[SPEAKER_03]: And she is, I think she's got an, she did.
[SPEAKER_03]: She got an Oscar nomination for that.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's when she was dating Brad Pitt.
[SPEAKER_03]: She is.
[SPEAKER_03]: Oh, my god.
[SPEAKER_03]: Red double.
[SPEAKER_02]: And we'll talk about lore talk about lore of like,
[SPEAKER_02]: not only actress who's been working for so many years, but then to have the Brad Pitt part of your story, which I've read reports, and let's just say it seems like today Brad Pitt must be a story at the very least, as much as the very least.
[SPEAKER_02]: And then
[SPEAKER_03]: I just love her origin story of, I think she emancipated herself when she was like 15 or 16.
[SPEAKER_03]: So she didn't worry about that.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: And then, um, and I just love everything she brings.
[SPEAKER_03]: Every time she's on screen, she is so compelling, so raw.
[SPEAKER_03]: And also so friendly, like if it looks like she would be your cool plan to not scary.
[SPEAKER_02]: You know, 100%, there's also, did you have not thought about this clip in ages, but have you seen the clip of her and her car?
[SPEAKER_02]: yes listening to like prodigy okay right now yeah well it's this one i i never share screen during an episode but the fact that i have the ability i'm going to do it right now this is the clip that is a Juliet Lewis classic yeah this is the famous Britney Spears can we
[SPEAKER_03]: Okay, I gotta say, I gotta say, if she and Sandra Bernhardt enter her room together, what would happen?
[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, that world's worth.
[SPEAKER_02]: World's worth.
[SPEAKER_02]: Get up all the world wars.
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh my god, I just wow that really was what I needed.
[SPEAKER_02]: Also a final Juliet Lewis topic that I'm so glad we're having sort of like four stages of Juliet Lewis because she's leaving Rocky Horror and I just like
[SPEAKER_02]: saw the announcement and saw that, um, Sherry Renee Scott is replacing her.
[SPEAKER_02]: What you're hiding is so I just love I just want to know one day I'm going to ask either Sam Pinkleton or whoever I can.
[SPEAKER_02]: I just want to know like what happens when an Oscar winning actress does Rocky Horror Picture Show.
[SPEAKER_02]: go through the rigum rule of an eight show week and the Tony's, calling out left and right because how could she not?
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: And then days after the Tony's announces that you're leaving and gets replaced by a Broadway legend, I just think there's so much lore there that I would love one day to hear a lot of things out of.
[SPEAKER_03]: By the way, Sharon A. Scott is someone who I would see and literally absolutely anything.
[SPEAKER_02]: And E-thing while Brian, thank you for bringing up Julia Lewis and loving us to watch her car crash out for allowing us to.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, you saved us Britney Spears in a couple of times.
[SPEAKER_03]: uh... before we talk about uh... horny top eaks will you please tell these gorgeous listeners where to follow you and how they can get tickets to your stunning solo shower you can get tickets to are you mad at me at are you mad at me show dot com uh... by the way it's seventy minutes so and there these were seven p.m. shows mostly so you can go there and get dinner after it's my favorite time of day
[SPEAKER_03]: And, uh, you can go to our email to me, show.com, or you, it's in my Instagram link, you can go to AppBrientSafe for those tick orders.
[SPEAKER_02]: We have linked Brian Soffee's Instagram in the chat.
[SPEAKER_02]: Go get those tickets.
[SPEAKER_02]: Go see the show.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's just so amazing to see Brian Soffee taking his people pleasing life for the stars.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I know everybody's seeing it will be gleeking their glutes off.
[SPEAKER_02]: Um, now Brian Soffey as we get into horny topics, you have told us that you're in a relation, uh, you would say we would say he's civilian, which I find to be such a beautiful, uh, union between entertainment and civil.
[SPEAKER_02]: However, I want to go controversial outside of your relationship.
[SPEAKER_02]: Brian, on December 31st, you captioned an Instagram post by 2025 and by was spelled BI.
[SPEAKER_02]: Is that a hidden message?
[SPEAKER_02]: Are you listening?
[SPEAKER_03]: It isn't, but I do also sign many of my emails off with BI, BI.
[SPEAKER_03]: And it's just because I'm an idiot doesn't make any sense, but I'm not by.
[SPEAKER_03]: No, I want to put that to bed.
[SPEAKER_03]: I am not by, but I, you know,
[SPEAKER_03]: I'm a bi-advocate, I'm a bi-advocate, I'm a bi-advocate, I'm a bi-advocate, I'm a bi-advocate, I'm a bi-advocate, I'm a bi-advocate, I'm a bi-advocate, I'm a bi-advocate, I'm a bi-advocate, I'm a bi-advocate, I'm a bi-advocate, I'm a bi-advocate, I'm a bi-advocate, I'm a bi-advocate, I'm a bi-advocate, I'm a bi-advocate, I'm a bi-advocate, I'm a bi-advocate, I'm a bi-advocate, I'm a bi-advocate, I'm a bi-advocate, I'm a bi-advocate, I'm a bi-advocate, I'm a bi-advoc
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I've never the bases.
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't know if it's because I'm gay.
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't know if it's because I've never Had sex with a woman as well, but the base is always confused me.
[SPEAKER_02]: I do not know what they are and play Yeah, that's where I that's also where I landed with women Yeah, with woman right.
[SPEAKER_02]: I did one time handplay and was so flustered you could not even imagine I just biologically couldn't get there
[SPEAKER_03]: I could actually, I remember it being kind of fun, but it just never progressed beyond that.
[SPEAKER_03]: I would just shut off after a little while.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, so that's the most I could do.
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, thank you for opening up about your bisexual history and clearing your name.
[SPEAKER_02]: Now, the general question that you can take in any direction, when we talk about either formative hookup moments, whether it was super exciting or an embarrassing getting caught moment or just like,
[SPEAKER_02]: So affirming or delicious or international even.
[SPEAKER_02]: Are there any tales that come to mind that you feel comfortable Spilling on this chaos pod and then we'll cut off anything's once it gets dirty We cut it off, so it's only for the paid girlies and the real ones listening got it Okay, have a couple different ones, but
[SPEAKER_03]: I will say one was actually here in this place, in my apartment in LA.
[SPEAKER_03]: And really handsome guy, very sexy.
[SPEAKER_03]: We did a little sexy and by that I mean like I
[SPEAKER_03]: Never this guy really but but I don't know it just was fun.
[SPEAKER_03]: We did a little door open You understand like I left the door open after I buzzed him in and it was either gonna be him or my literal 99-year-old neighbor So I don't know peaks.
[SPEAKER_03]: They're heading is I don't think okay.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I don't know who was kind of hop going to come a hoblin But he the right guy came a hoblin and and I was in my bed
[SPEAKER_03]: Like this, I understand, I'm just playing my head.
[SPEAKER_03]: Kicked back as they say.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I understand.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, the words we use, not in real life, but on that app.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yep.
[SPEAKER_03]: And we, whatever, started talking up, and he had put his chin back down by my bed.
[SPEAKER_03]: And I noticed that on his gym bag were sunglasses that looked exactly like mine.
[SPEAKER_03]: And I was sort of like, huh, how weird.
[SPEAKER_03]: Like, that's so funny that those are, we have messed up the same sunglasses, like what a world.
[SPEAKER_03]: You know what I mean?
[SPEAKER_03]: Like maybe what a world, what a world, but I started to think as we were hooking up, I think those are my sunglasses.
[SPEAKER_02]: For the rest of the interview, head to sub-stack linked below where you will also find chats with Colin Braun, Rich Burns, Christopher Pattinson, Rosso, Tyler Varval, Sebastian Dino, Cody Silver, Johnny Sibley, Sam Altizer, and more.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's at sub-stack.com slash at Eric Wills, and I will see you there for a gorgeous Harry horny time.
[SPEAKER_02]: I love you, bye!