WEBVTT 00:03.370 --> 00:05.513 [SPEAKER_00]: That's a gay app named for a gay app, podcast. 00:06.133 --> 00:11.139 [SPEAKER_01]: Daniel Kay Isaac has made his grand return to that's a gay app's podcast. 00:11.199 --> 00:14.883 [SPEAKER_01]: Daniel, you did this podcast in September of 2023. 00:15.083 --> 00:18.347 [SPEAKER_01]: Can you believe it's been almost three years? 00:18.687 --> 00:20.610 [SPEAKER_00]: That's wild, what is time? 00:21.198 --> 00:21.839 [SPEAKER_01]: What is time? 00:21.859 --> 00:23.701 [SPEAKER_01]: But also, what is this gorgeous chemise? 00:23.741 --> 00:26.544 [SPEAKER_01]: You're showing us some lovely shoulder and arm. 00:26.804 --> 00:29.427 [SPEAKER_01]: Is it, I'm not wearing my glasses, is it texture? 00:29.827 --> 00:31.830 [SPEAKER_00]: It's like a vest moment. 00:31.990 --> 00:39.458 [SPEAKER_00]: I found in the lady's section of this store called Lockwood in a story, a queer-owned small business. 00:40.259 --> 00:41.600 [SPEAKER_00]: My friend McKenzie owns it. 00:41.761 --> 00:42.301 [SPEAKER_00]: And I am, 00:43.342 --> 00:46.024 [SPEAKER_00]: I love going to the women's section for closed these days. 00:46.524 --> 00:50.506 [SPEAKER_01]: I love a lady section, but I also love a lockwood. 00:50.566 --> 00:53.948 [SPEAKER_01]: I used to live in a story where I would go all the time. 00:54.068 --> 00:57.690 [SPEAKER_01]: So shout out to the small biz of a story. 00:57.751 --> 01:00.552 [SPEAKER_01]: But also to a lady section, I feel like it's really kind of fun. 01:00.572 --> 01:03.514 [SPEAKER_01]: The era we're living in where we are embracing women's clothes. 01:03.894 --> 01:22.167 [SPEAKER_00]: My fiance sent me a funny TikTok, where I was, I think it was like two guys saying we're going thrifting now and they start in the men's section and then they go to the women's section and then they go to the kids section and they find something in each section which I think is accurate and what I'm doing. 01:22.347 --> 01:25.890 [SPEAKER_01]: If I'm ever looking for a gay look, I go first to ladies. 01:26.390 --> 01:32.455 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm going to kids because I don't think my man shoulders will fit into a youth. 01:33.415 --> 01:34.776 [SPEAKER_01]: Um, let's never say never. 01:35.136 --> 01:43.501 [SPEAKER_01]: Um, the other thing that we actually have talked about before off Mike is you go to a story a still to get your haircut because you live where in New York City. 01:44.201 --> 01:51.965 [SPEAKER_00]: I live in Bushwick and I commute to a story of because I am loyal to my hair guy for I think over a decade now. 01:52.286 --> 01:54.647 [SPEAKER_00]: I won't let anyone fuck with my hair but him. 01:56.079 --> 02:03.441 [SPEAKER_01]: Well, hair is very emotional, in fact, before we recorded, you said that you couldn't get into after this recording. 02:03.461 --> 02:06.883 [SPEAKER_01]: So I'm very pleased that you're even trying to get a fade for that's a gas podcast. 02:06.903 --> 02:13.205 [SPEAKER_01]: But I myself, five minutes after we finish this recording, I'll be going to my girl, Amber. 02:13.945 --> 02:23.708 [SPEAKER_01]: And that's why I sort of feel, it's only been a month, but you know how you feel like emotionally devastated the day before you get your hair cut, because you feel like you're hair is so long and you feel disgusting. 02:24.237 --> 02:42.081 [SPEAKER_01]: Yes, that somehow it is the least attractive you are even if it's not true, but you feel that way Knowing your gay powers will be restored the next day Exactly, Matt thinks I'm insane to get my haircut once a month, but I don't know I'm at the age where like my grades are a different texture Like it'll spend the lead. 02:42.181 --> 02:49.363 [SPEAKER_01]: I start to feel like model the tailor with like full payers because I'm starting to get like long curls I just need my gay 02:54.224 --> 02:58.167 [SPEAKER_00]: Today at 5.30 PM, he couldn't fit me until then. 02:58.928 --> 03:02.831 [SPEAKER_01]: A little late night, late afternoon, hair, cute. 03:03.231 --> 03:07.734 [SPEAKER_01]: Well, Daniel, I think you look gorgeous before and after your haircut. 03:07.975 --> 03:20.905 [SPEAKER_01]: And I am going to make sure that, yes, we catch up with all of your acting stuff before we cross over to Substack because last time we talked, I did not get to ask you all of my horny questions. 03:20.985 --> 03:23.567 [SPEAKER_01]: And so I want to really rectify that situation. 03:24.487 --> 03:27.908 [SPEAKER_01]: Before we do so, a couple of hard-hitting journalistic questions. 03:28.368 --> 03:36.031 [SPEAKER_01]: Question number one, when you did this podcast, you were talking about the solo show that you did in Los Angeles or the Gaffin. 03:36.231 --> 03:37.751 [SPEAKER_01]: It's called every brilliant thing. 03:38.151 --> 03:39.412 [SPEAKER_01]: It is currently on Broadway. 03:39.992 --> 03:40.872 [SPEAKER_01]: It is. 03:41.532 --> 03:44.153 [SPEAKER_01]: It's her doppelganger, Daniel Radcliffe. 03:44.733 --> 03:50.855 [SPEAKER_01]: Tell me, have you seen either of those beautiful gorgeous talented actors to join the role? 03:51.839 --> 03:53.100 [SPEAKER_00]: haven't been able to. 03:53.520 --> 04:08.468 [SPEAKER_00]: If you believe that I was invited to opening night of every brilliant thing, which was so kind of them that Duncan, the writer, co-director, I think, invited me and Elzbeth never shoots knights. 04:09.583 --> 04:30.663 [SPEAKER_00]: ever and it is the one time I had to shoot a night shoot and I missed opening and I was so devastated and both Terry and Wendell were like just go to the after party and something about that I couldn't I couldn't lie and say that was amazing that was brilliant when I hadn't seen it so 04:31.464 --> 04:34.327 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, what do you think about this on this moment? 04:34.427 --> 04:38.590 [SPEAKER_01]: It's a patient moment and you'd be like, oh my god, she's going to try it. 04:38.730 --> 04:40.152 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't like lying. 04:40.652 --> 04:41.172 [SPEAKER_01]: I can't do it. 04:42.031 --> 04:57.239 [SPEAKER_01]: So I just had run on as you are a literal actor who is paid to life, but it's a different level when you're with that you've previously been employed by No, it's really cool that I got to see the your performance in that play. 04:57.259 --> 05:02.321 [SPEAKER_01]: It's such a great play for anybody who doesn't know the way that it works is they write down a bunch of 05:04.488 --> 05:22.277 [SPEAKER_01]: Really, you know what would you say that's been written down on these really in things on these pieces of paper and you as the actor call out numbers throughout the show and at certain points to maybe people with those numbers come on stage for audience participants page and my mom was trying to ask me on the phone like what how is it that Daniel Radcliffe can do the play. 05:22.997 --> 05:25.958 [SPEAKER_01]: And then Mariska Hargate can do it right after and I'm like it's it's a bow. 05:26.018 --> 05:37.823 [SPEAKER_01]: It's it's the performer like really It's malleable yeah, charge makes it their own and I'm really I'm really count myself very lucky to have seen the Danokai Isaac Second journalist a question. 05:37.843 --> 05:46.346 [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, yes, hey of Danokai Isaac was it stand for stands for my Korean name Kyeong-min Just like a K before young men 05:47.506 --> 06:06.968 [SPEAKER_00]: I once had it as a full Daniel Gangmin Isaac on a resume and Roger Reese, Reston Peace, could not spell it and then said I had every vowel in my name and then I corrected him and I did not book that job and thought, I don't want my new limping but you're at any more, I'm just going to make it an initial. 06:08.546 --> 06:35.592 [SPEAKER_01]: wait with Roger Reef directing it or what was he was directing yeah he was directing Peter in the starcatcher I was auditioning for it out of town at La Jolla Playhouse this was a long long long time ago and I really was crazy that time you really have lived many lives and when I was looking at like all of your credits it would make anyone think that you're fully 74 years old but you just been I guess working for a long time the fact you're 06:38.713 --> 06:46.041 [SPEAKER_01]: Works for the listeners who might not be familiar with Daniel's recent roles. 06:46.201 --> 06:49.004 [SPEAKER_01]: You play Lieutenant Steve Connor on Alstveth. 06:49.024 --> 06:52.288 [SPEAKER_01]: You played Ben Kim on seven seasons of Billions. 06:52.568 --> 06:56.933 [SPEAKER_01]: I loved your appearance on the other two one of my favorite shows of all time. 06:57.993 --> 07:10.596 [SPEAKER_01]: to also got to act opposite Linda Lavon in a play called you will get sick directed by gay ass podcast friend Sam Pinkleton director of Oh Mary. 07:12.317 --> 07:21.819 [SPEAKER_01]: So Linda Lavon's a character actress we've talked about on the pot before I get to her I think it's really important as a theater queen to ask a quick question about Joanna Gleason 07:25.980 --> 07:36.027 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, so in line to the woods, OG, what was it like to look into the eyes of the Baker's wife? 07:37.267 --> 07:38.288 [SPEAKER_00]: It was mind-blowing. 07:38.828 --> 07:52.757 [SPEAKER_00]: When I was in high school, I had seen a production of into the woods by a local neighboring Christian high school and I was doing an internship at a local theater community theater because I knew I wanted to pursue this. 07:52.797 --> 07:53.718 [SPEAKER_00]: I was interested in it. 07:54.278 --> 08:20.112 [SPEAKER_00]: And I was telling my mentor how much I loved into the woods and what a happy ending it had and like how Moving it was that everyone got this happily ever after and she was like hold up Just one second did did you see a one act version or a two act version of into the woods and I'd only seen act one Because of the Christian high school didn't want to do the depressing act to stop 08:20.532 --> 08:26.956 [SPEAKER_01]: Wow Christian nameously cannot handle censorship thing. 08:27.316 --> 08:41.666 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, they love censorship over there So you then I was soon so then she gave me a DVD of into the woods and said you have to watch this tonight and I did and it it changed my life. 08:41.866 --> 08:44.107 [SPEAKER_00]: I think it is still my favorite song time and 08:45.388 --> 08:48.349 [SPEAKER_00]: and maybe one of my favorite pieces of theater still. 08:48.809 --> 08:53.691 [SPEAKER_00]: And so then to see Joanna Gleason on the call sheet one day, it was the first thing I told her. 08:54.272 --> 08:55.432 [SPEAKER_00]: I had no cool about it. 08:55.452 --> 08:56.373 [SPEAKER_01]: I have no chill. 08:57.393 --> 08:58.193 [SPEAKER_01]: How did she react? 08:58.233 --> 09:03.115 [SPEAKER_01]: Because I'm sure you're not the first gay guy to sort of weep right into the woods in front of her. 09:03.436 --> 09:05.536 [SPEAKER_00]: She was so, she was so sweet. 09:05.756 --> 09:08.458 [SPEAKER_00]: And then her and Carrie Preston spend the entire time 09:09.578 --> 09:15.840 [SPEAKER_00]: complimenting my appearance, which then I was just blushing and unable to handle that. 09:16.620 --> 09:21.461 [SPEAKER_01]: So when I get complimented, I usually throw it right back and maybe that's what you're doing. 09:22.662 --> 09:24.262 [SPEAKER_00]: No, I was trying to do it. 09:24.562 --> 09:36.266 [SPEAKER_01]: I think you were just being gifted a gay man's favorite day, which is to speak with an into the Woods original Broadway cast member and then have your looks validated, I think that's 09:38.166 --> 09:55.062 [SPEAKER_01]: Dream scenario for any game end with body dysmorphia um I have to say that you have such a cool range to me in that you are acting in these like big network shows But then a meal Cohen the famous photographer is photographing you completely nude 09:55.943 --> 10:04.809 [SPEAKER_01]: In fact, I was going through your Instagram and there's a really great shot of you that was taken in May of 2025 But it was posted. 10:05.090 --> 10:06.571 [SPEAKER_01]: He posted it earlier this year. 10:06.591 --> 10:18.459 [SPEAKER_01]: I just need to know from someone who aspires to post my Foley Bearass on the internet one day Do it in a place of artistry like you have 10:18.919 --> 10:38.532 [SPEAKER_00]: When did you get comfy naked like how how did you get around the fear of will this affect my network television career that's a great question that I can probably still wrestling with but you know the last time you interviewed me when I was in LA one of my comfort TV watches was sex in the city 10:39.432 --> 10:45.854 [SPEAKER_00]: And the character Samantha does a nude photo shoot for, I don't know, one of her birthdays or something. 10:46.514 --> 10:51.155 [SPEAKER_00]: And I watched that and I thought, she's right, we're never gonna be younger. 10:51.775 --> 10:59.097 [SPEAKER_00]: And what, Moira Rose and Shits Creek, like take all the nudes, leak them on the internet, I really, I do believe it. 10:59.537 --> 11:02.218 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, please don't leak my nudes without consent. 11:02.358 --> 11:05.099 [SPEAKER_00]: But I do think we're only gonna get older. 11:06.499 --> 11:22.454 [SPEAKER_00]: I am actually very hard on myself and my body, and this is a small way that I'm trying to reclaim that, or force myself to feel a little more proud of my progress or where I'm at, because I think comparing despair is my big life lesson. 11:22.474 --> 11:28.039 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm working on a therapy and a body image that can be one of the hardest things for me to tackle. 11:29.140 --> 11:51.232 [SPEAKER_01]: I know, but here I am trying to say, the thing that's so insane to me is that we, as gay guys and just as people, can have that compared to spare and yet there are people who are talking about you, thinking that you have either the body that they want or the career that they want and then of course we go into your brain and then you're in therapy saying that I want somebody else's blank or blank and so. 11:51.672 --> 12:07.607 [SPEAKER_01]: It's like, I don't know what's the sort of seed of that insecurity that a lot of us have, but I do agree with you that we're never going to look better than we do right now, and maybe, I mean, maybe I'll hit up a meal coin and 12:09.563 --> 12:10.264 [SPEAKER_01]: do it. 12:10.284 --> 12:11.325 [SPEAKER_01]: He's very talented. 12:11.345 --> 12:14.488 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, I'm doing it with a photographer. 12:14.508 --> 12:19.892 [SPEAKER_00]: You trust that helps to, you know, you're, you know, they're not going to put it on there. 12:20.473 --> 12:24.136 [SPEAKER_00]: Whatever only fans or paid subscription thing without telling. 12:24.176 --> 12:24.357 [SPEAKER_00]: Right. 12:24.377 --> 12:24.497 [SPEAKER_00]: Right. 12:24.517 --> 12:24.917 [SPEAKER_00]: Right. 12:25.237 --> 12:25.458 [SPEAKER_00]: Right. 12:25.518 --> 12:25.838 [SPEAKER_00]: Right. 12:26.118 --> 12:26.519 [SPEAKER_00]: Right. 12:26.559 --> 12:26.759 [SPEAKER_00]: Right. 12:26.779 --> 12:26.939 [SPEAKER_00]: Right. 12:26.959 --> 12:27.099 [SPEAKER_00]: Right. 12:27.119 --> 12:27.239 [SPEAKER_00]: Right. 12:29.287 --> 12:31.951 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't think I'll ever have my whole photograph, but never say never, Daniel. 12:32.171 --> 12:33.834 [SPEAKER_01]: Never say never, never say never. 12:34.395 --> 12:44.070 [SPEAKER_01]: I am going to talk more about your naked experiences over behind the paywall because it would just be silly for me not to, but since you came on the podcast, 12:44.510 --> 12:48.592 [SPEAKER_01]: a few years ago and you answered the podcast question who's fault is it that you're gay? 12:48.992 --> 12:56.736 [SPEAKER_01]: I would not ask you the returning question that I'm asking guests, which is who was your first gay? 12:56.916 --> 13:07.181 [SPEAKER_01]: It could either be somebody that was you, someone you knew in school, maybe a pop culture figure, somebody who worked the local Barnes and Noble. 13:07.742 --> 13:10.103 [SPEAKER_01]: Who, Daniel K. Isaac, was your first gay? 13:10.988 --> 13:18.973 [SPEAKER_00]: My first gay that I thought of when you asked this or sent me this question is my friend from high school, his name is Michael Hamer. 13:19.513 --> 13:20.754 [SPEAKER_00]: He won't mind me outing him. 13:21.234 --> 13:31.141 [SPEAKER_00]: But on the first day of school, freshman year of high school, we both were standing at the edge of a swimming pool at the end of the day, because 13:32.081 --> 13:43.229 [SPEAKER_00]: he wanted to play ice hockey and I was signing up for swimming and the guidance counselor sent us to water polo, which is not the same thing for either. 13:44.530 --> 14:01.079 [SPEAKER_00]: But it was the middle of Hellweek, so we were just standing in the shade, wondering what the fuck we'd gotten into, but became fast friends dying in Hellweek of water polo, a sport neither of us played until that very moment. 14:01.620 --> 14:06.362 [SPEAKER_00]: And we lived a block from each other, so we would walk home together and eventually do homework together. 14:07.183 --> 14:10.524 [SPEAKER_00]: And one day he was on my desktop computer, 14:11.625 --> 14:27.210 [SPEAKER_00]: and he typed www.g just the letter g and gay sex or gay xx or gay stories or whatever pop autopopulated and that's how we came out to each other. 14:29.111 --> 14:43.360 [SPEAKER_00]: And what we do freshman year, freshman year of high school, and then I don't think he'll mind me telling this, but he then ended up saying he was by, which no, no by Ratier on that's a gay ass podcast thing. 14:43.460 --> 14:47.863 [SPEAKER_00]: And he went and he dated a woman for a while for the majority of high school. 14:47.923 --> 14:54.587 [SPEAKER_00]: So then I felt a little left and the dust of, oh no, I thought I have my gay bestie and that we would navigate this together. 14:54.667 --> 14:55.448 [SPEAKER_00]: And instead he, 14:56.248 --> 15:20.711 [SPEAKER_00]: dated a woman named Danielle who was on the woman's water polo team and I stayed closeted for all of high school really and but I do credit him with being my first gay friend and I remember us both on our landlines watching Will and Grace together saying you're Will or you're Jack and that was sweet. 15:21.922 --> 15:28.644 [SPEAKER_01]: The whole story is we, of course, the bisexual detour as a certain genesis quah, a spice to it. 15:29.224 --> 15:30.345 [SPEAKER_01]: You said his name was Michael, right? 15:30.925 --> 15:32.265 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, he's an ally. 15:32.385 --> 15:36.046 [SPEAKER_01]: I just saw him at high tops, not like when I was younger, too. 15:36.126 --> 15:36.526 [SPEAKER_01]: Okay. 15:36.626 --> 15:38.247 [SPEAKER_01]: So that was lifelong friends. 15:38.787 --> 15:52.062 [SPEAKER_01]: Um, so as a, now drama turg, I'm going to ask, um, did Michael continue to identify as bisexual, or is he, uh, gay, full blooms he's gay? 15:52.102 --> 15:56.026 [SPEAKER_01]: What's, what's the, by visibility update on Michael? 15:56.967 --> 16:14.675 [SPEAKER_00]: I think I asked him about that once and he said he identifies as gay and that was a detour that maybe was born out of, you know, the homophobia and the taunting and the teasing and the high school environment of conservative sports County California. 16:14.796 --> 16:16.876 [SPEAKER_01]: So who can blame by Michael? 16:18.177 --> 16:18.938 [SPEAKER_01]: at that time. 16:19.038 --> 16:26.382 [SPEAKER_01]: I think if you can have a girlfriend for the years of high school and sort of pass, who can who would play? 16:26.402 --> 16:27.743 [SPEAKER_00]: Who could get a crush at that? 16:27.983 --> 16:28.863 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, right not me. 16:29.224 --> 16:32.906 [SPEAKER_01]: I had the girlfriend for a few months and I really couldn't. 16:33.366 --> 16:40.630 [SPEAKER_01]: I couldn't handle it and she broke up with me saying, I just feel like you don't have a one touch of me. 16:42.672 --> 16:43.452 [SPEAKER_00]: I was like um 16:45.013 --> 16:52.379 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't really, I wish I could have even said that I did and I was just at any who, we support my goal. 16:52.399 --> 17:00.346 [SPEAKER_01]: We thank him for a service and making Dana okay Isaac feel so seen at www.gasexxxwater.com. 17:02.748 --> 17:25.721 [SPEAKER_01]: it's crazy that you have sort of come from that conservative environment and in fact last time you came on the podcast another one of your stories that is equally as touching and I do mean touch is you said that a boy at church who there was like a church theater situation happening he taught you how to masturbate so sure did where's that guy 17:26.561 --> 17:41.724 [SPEAKER_00]: I remember he had a giant dick too and so maybe this is for your spicy but in my memory he was very hung which you know that's nice for someone to teach you how to trick off with a large instrument. 17:42.544 --> 17:47.967 [SPEAKER_01]: I was going to say, really, you can see all the parts really well, really up close. 17:48.707 --> 18:04.715 [SPEAKER_01]: Well, you cannot get by this podcast without talking more about your acting twerk because we want to, for a second, talk about a play that is a nice segue from the Big Dick 18:11.123 --> 18:14.627 [SPEAKER_01]: inspired by that insane title for a play. 18:15.047 --> 18:15.928 [SPEAKER_01]: I want to ask you. 18:15.948 --> 18:18.510 [SPEAKER_01]: It was a problematic person. 18:18.671 --> 18:19.371 [SPEAKER_01]: You can't help. 18:19.391 --> 18:20.492 [SPEAKER_01]: It would be attracted to. 18:25.137 --> 18:25.537 [SPEAKER_01]: No. 18:27.139 --> 18:27.960 [SPEAKER_00]: That's tricky. 18:28.881 --> 18:32.164 [SPEAKER_00]: Can I say this is not very gay, but I guess it's 18:36.388 --> 18:38.449 [SPEAKER_01]: It's not, it's not a very chance. 18:39.330 --> 18:42.031 [SPEAKER_00]: I just, I really love her music. 18:42.432 --> 18:44.213 [SPEAKER_00]: I do think she's so sexy. 18:45.013 --> 18:48.075 [SPEAKER_00]: And then she'll just say some horrible stuff. 18:48.155 --> 18:49.576 [SPEAKER_00]: And I wish she wouldn't. 18:49.776 --> 18:50.096 [SPEAKER_00]: And I, 18:51.397 --> 18:58.722 [SPEAKER_00]: you know, it's maybe not as bad as like JK Rowling and the Transphobia there, but all right. 18:59.062 --> 19:02.985 [SPEAKER_00]: I always wonder what you do with the art versus the artist and how to engage in that. 19:03.445 --> 19:07.028 [SPEAKER_00]: I need like a hot man who's problematic and steady, right? 19:07.328 --> 19:14.153 [SPEAKER_01]: Like people that I will say tract it's really a thing, but that's a hilarious answer because it is so gay because she is like, 19:15.093 --> 19:20.455 [SPEAKER_01]: She's like, honestly, like, I couldn't, she is, and she's also deep not allowed. 19:20.735 --> 19:24.297 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, she's like funny, but also like says horrendous things. 19:24.697 --> 19:25.137 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. 19:25.537 --> 19:37.622 [SPEAKER_01]: I haven't caught up with the most recent things that she has said, but I think it's, I understand the sort of difficulty you have with separating the art from the artist. 19:37.662 --> 19:42.304 [SPEAKER_01]: The one that came to my mind that's really problematic, that I would never actually do anything about, 19:43.344 --> 19:55.207 [SPEAKER_01]: If Joe Rogan wasn't Joe Rogan, and I was like at like a bath house, and I saw like a sort of like thick muscle or just like a thick bald man You'd sit on his face. 19:55.907 --> 20:02.369 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, 100% I mean, I don't know if I would still get a face at the bath house like if we were to like Sort of continue the interaction. 20:02.609 --> 20:05.309 [SPEAKER_01]: Um, I I just a bald. 20:05.369 --> 20:12.031 [SPEAKER_01]: There's something about like a bald dad that archetype that I get really get soaking wet for, but you know 20:13.772 --> 20:19.720 [SPEAKER_01]: Joe Rogan is a piece of shit, but ultimately, I would if it was in a different universe. 20:20.121 --> 20:27.370 [SPEAKER_00]: I think there are many people who love a ball, daddy, type, otherwise they wouldn't be so successful. 20:28.551 --> 20:43.177 [SPEAKER_01]: Otherwise, you don't have a Mr. Clean as the mouse selling selling units for people who might not know your full lore, you have written about your, quote, ultra-conservative, over-Christian Korean immigrant single mother. 20:44.098 --> 20:49.120 [SPEAKER_01]: You did a short film, you filmed a pilot based on that relationship. 20:49.300 --> 20:51.101 [SPEAKER_01]: Click therapeutic check-in. 20:52.301 --> 20:56.123 [SPEAKER_00]: What's your relationship like with your mom, currently? 20:56.963 --> 20:59.706 [SPEAKER_00]: it is I'm in it to a demonstration. 20:59.727 --> 21:06.434 [SPEAKER_00]: I my fiance and I got engaged recently and we were telling people thank you. 21:06.494 --> 21:11.400 [SPEAKER_00]: We were telling people as much as we could in person if not phone calls and text messages. 21:12.101 --> 21:17.105 [SPEAKER_00]: And then we had the photos from the engagement surprise moment. 21:17.446 --> 21:18.907 [SPEAKER_00]: And we were going to release them online. 21:19.107 --> 21:21.809 [SPEAKER_00]: And my fiancee is very ethical. 21:21.909 --> 21:26.633 [SPEAKER_00]: And he said, you should tell your mom before she sees it on social media. 21:26.673 --> 21:29.336 [SPEAKER_00]: That that would be the kind or thing to do. 21:30.577 --> 21:32.819 [SPEAKER_00]: We're not really speaking, I just pay her bills. 21:33.439 --> 21:37.563 [SPEAKER_00]: So I sent her a handful of pictures and said, this is some news. 21:38.283 --> 21:39.444 [SPEAKER_00]: And in Korean, 21:41.612 --> 21:47.547 [SPEAKER_00]: I won't read the Korean, but translated she says, um, I don't approve. 21:47.567 --> 21:49.311 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm not happy about it either. 21:50.235 --> 22:14.970 [SPEAKER_00]: And then, um, then she says, um, do not sin any further against God, and then she sends a, um, Facebook reel of this dad and son that are AI generated, I think, and the dad, like gives his little boy son a kiss, and then the boy says, don't kiss me, men shouldn't kiss each other. 22:16.711 --> 22:28.732 [SPEAKER_00]: the comments are all these people being like that boy is so right that's so smart that you know that's true dad shouldn't be like this if you think this is so toxic and terrible 22:30.243 --> 22:37.433 [SPEAKER_00]: And then lastly she says, you said you were married to your art, which is an excuse. 22:37.613 --> 22:40.998 [SPEAKER_00]: She tells her church people of wise and Daniel dating or married. 22:41.178 --> 22:43.261 [SPEAKER_00]: And she's always said, well, he's married to his career. 22:43.921 --> 22:46.445 [SPEAKER_00]: But now she's saying, I said that first. 22:48.023 --> 22:53.345 [SPEAKER_01]: So she has a son who is poly because he's marrying a man and his career. 22:54.106 --> 22:54.786 [SPEAKER_01]: Exactly. 22:55.306 --> 22:57.327 [SPEAKER_01]: So that's the latest mom update. 22:58.188 --> 22:59.588 [SPEAKER_01]: Holy shit. 23:00.849 --> 23:07.792 [SPEAKER_01]: Well, before I say anything, how I mean obviously you're kind of used to the being status quo. 23:07.872 --> 23:10.293 [SPEAKER_01]: So how did it feel and how do you feel now? 23:10.653 --> 23:15.195 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm in a chapter of life where I've distance myself from her so it 23:16.528 --> 23:30.130 [SPEAKER_00]: There isn't as much opportunity for her to hurt me and for me to sort of protect my peace or my kind of day-to-day life without needing her approval or acceptance or anything. 23:30.210 --> 23:34.271 [SPEAKER_00]: And I feel like I've been very good about defanging that. 23:34.851 --> 23:40.032 [SPEAKER_00]: And these kinds of responses are not surprising in any way and they're not devastating. 23:40.112 --> 23:43.833 [SPEAKER_00]: But it is like an old wound that you kind of 23:44.593 --> 23:55.940 [SPEAKER_00]: like touching a scab and thinking, all right, it does, it could hurt way, way deep down under there, but there's so many years of scar tissue now, it doesn't, it doesn't have the same bite that it used to. 23:56.540 --> 24:04.465 [SPEAKER_01]: Damn, well said, I think that's probably a similar experience for a lot of people, whether it's like mom shit or whatever when it comes to. 24:05.325 --> 24:22.769 [SPEAKER_01]: The bittersweet feeling of look how far I've come, but also I've had to come this far Based on survival and based on the scabbings as you say because you know a gay guy in his mom there's It's such a fraught relationship for so many people. 24:22.929 --> 24:31.911 [SPEAKER_01]: It's either like really really close and beautiful or like there's no boundaries And it's tough or there's you know your side of it, which is the like religious 24:35.593 --> 24:52.473 [SPEAKER_01]: She can say those things I think it is just a bit of sweet testament to your growth and I think that maybe that's what we should sort of take away from this whole thing for a for a gay ass comedy podcast is just like look at look at 24:53.153 --> 25:05.139 [SPEAKER_01]: How far you have come and I'm I'm really in awe of the way that you've been able to like be your full self and take care of your younger self while doing so Thanks. 25:05.579 --> 25:13.383 [SPEAKER_00]: I think that that extremely traumatic or hurtful or painful things can also be the funniest things and sometimes it's nice to 25:14.263 --> 25:19.705 [SPEAKER_00]: find the comedic lens to it rather than going into despair and hope for some. 25:20.326 --> 25:42.696 [SPEAKER_01]: Listen, I will one day be able to put some of my most devastating despairing things into my comedy and I can't weigh it's it's not there for some of the things I do it with a lot of my a lot of my stuff but there's other things that when the world knows it's going to be you know I can't weigh 25:43.356 --> 25:47.797 [SPEAKER_01]: Okay, so listen, we only have a few more minutes before we cross over to the sub-stack side. 25:47.857 --> 25:54.359 [SPEAKER_01]: So let me make sure I just touch in for a second, Linda Lavin, I brought up at the beginning of this. 25:54.659 --> 26:09.282 [SPEAKER_01]: She was somebody who Sam Pinkleton when he did the podcast was just like, raving over a special person she was and as a gay guy who loves a character, actress, do you have any favorite memories of working with Linda Lavin? 26:09.882 --> 26:11.444 [SPEAKER_00]: Yes, so many. 26:12.205 --> 26:29.204 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm so we're so lucky to have gotten to work with her and my my favorite thing about doing theater is yes, the art and the audience and the moment that we're all in a room together, but actually my favorite thing is the dinner and drinks after and 26:30.665 --> 26:53.951 [SPEAKER_00]: Linda and I would go to Cafe Unditua, rest in peace to both of them, and she would order this martini with real lime juice squeezed in, and then she would get a side of ice and nurse that one martini for potentially three or four hours, and I always had to stick, 26:54.791 --> 27:11.166 [SPEAKER_00]: fruits and just whoever happened to come to the show that night we would just sit in a corner boot and eat and drink and spend time together that way and I often think for universe in some act of balance has set me very nice. 27:11.967 --> 27:38.243 [SPEAKER_00]: maternal figures to balance out my own mom and Linda was one of those people that when she passed I was so devastated because I think I realized how much she meant to me and how much I know that she went out of her way to to be there for me and what was a very challenging personal life chapter time and I think of her whenever I see a martini now and I see 27:42.005 --> 27:44.287 [SPEAKER_00]: on her memory in that way. 27:44.307 --> 27:49.431 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh my god, I just cannot wait for your memoir. 27:49.451 --> 27:54.836 [SPEAKER_01]: I miss her a lot. 27:55.076 --> 27:56.417 [SPEAKER_01]: I just funny. 27:56.777 --> 28:04.763 [SPEAKER_01]: And the way that you said that, though, the like the universe of of giving you these, I mean, come on, the Joanna Gleason of it all, the, he has a lot of 28:10.988 --> 28:16.472 [SPEAKER_01]: It really, it's just, listen, I've moved to LA and become an even more woo-woo-woo bitch about the universe. 28:16.533 --> 28:30.763 [SPEAKER_01]: And I just have to, I just have to believe that there is something cosmic about this life and especially how you've been able to find love with your beautiful hairy man with these beautiful rolls. 28:31.644 --> 28:36.808 [SPEAKER_01]: And so let me ask you the final question before we talk about all of the body hair in your life. 28:37.448 --> 28:48.632 [SPEAKER_01]: Uh, Daniel K. Isaac, I asked this every episode and it can change even if you've done the podcast before the question is, if the world was ending, you could only save one character act, right? 28:49.032 --> 28:51.133 [SPEAKER_00]: Who would you say? 28:53.353 --> 28:57.999 [SPEAKER_00]: Okay, it is a two-way tie right now, but I'll defer to one. 28:58.640 --> 29:04.127 [SPEAKER_00]: And I looked up their age, not to out them, but you did say it has to be 40 and over, and they've worn a wig. 29:04.788 --> 29:09.394 [SPEAKER_00]: My answer is only by barely, Gretta Lee. 29:09.894 --> 29:26.769 [SPEAKER_00]: I think the character actresses and she famously looks incredible in wigs and she's I think like 42 or something I'm also making it she's 43 as of now that I'm saying correctly. 29:26.849 --> 29:28.991 [SPEAKER_01]: She's not she looks and I'm so glad 29:30.652 --> 29:38.964 [SPEAKER_00]: She can play the funniest, corkiest, weirdest characters, and she can have the papers of being the rom-com star, the leading vehicle. 29:39.625 --> 29:44.012 [SPEAKER_00]: But like, what she does in, what's that Apple TV show with Seth Rogen? 29:45.132 --> 30:13.043 [SPEAKER_00]: all about Hollywood, the Katherine Reherers, the studio, the studio, Greta has a great Camille on the studio that I love and I also think people of color don't often get to the character reactors as much and she's one of the ones proving that wrong and saying she can wear many hats and play all these different types and that can all exist in one body that happens to also be of color in America. 30:14.864 --> 30:30.399 [SPEAKER_01]: So my close that was on the show who also is doing that so I'm just with my brought up on child the other day because I interviewed Tim Murray when about him helping to write the Tony Awards opening number and I was bringing up the inspiration of Ariana to both doing. 30:30.559 --> 30:32.601 [SPEAKER_01]: Hung Chao, Dali Lee. 30:32.982 --> 30:37.266 [SPEAKER_01]: So I'm so glad the Hung Chao is also coming up again in this interview. 30:38.527 --> 30:42.231 [SPEAKER_01]: By the way, I'm sure a lot of people listening have seen past lives. 30:42.592 --> 30:46.236 [SPEAKER_01]: I saw it a little bit after it was in theaters and I thought, 30:47.036 --> 30:52.658 [SPEAKER_01]: that Greta Lee and gave, like one of my favorite performances I've ever seen on screen in that movie. 30:52.698 --> 31:09.225 [SPEAKER_01]: I thought she was like, you know, it's a weird comparison, but like how Kate Blanchet to me can be that stunningly beautiful, much like Greta Lee and then show like such human ugly sides within like beautiful sides and like you're saying, be also super funny and then have the death to it. 31:09.565 --> 31:13.947 [SPEAKER_01]: Greta Lee is absolutely one of our grades and a character 31:15.007 --> 31:32.912 [SPEAKER_01]: who is absolutely deserving of being safe at, especially on this gorgeous gay ass day in this gorgeous gay ass chat Daniel you never stopped delivering when you come on that's a gay ass pod will you tell these listeners before we flip over to horny stories we tell them where to follow you and if there's anything you would like for them to know or 31:34.521 --> 31:43.392 [SPEAKER_00]: I am on Instagram at Daniel Kay Isaac, I.S.A.A.C, and I'm a lurker on TikTok. 31:43.452 --> 31:46.216 [SPEAKER_00]: Really, I just repost the funny things my fiance sends me. 31:46.236 --> 31:48.078 [SPEAKER_00]: Well, and... 31:48.859 --> 31:52.841 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I'm not on Twitter anymore, other than to watch porn. 31:53.302 --> 31:54.883 [SPEAKER_00]: So Instagram. 31:55.243 --> 31:55.483 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. 31:55.723 --> 32:02.307 [SPEAKER_01]: Do you know what's insane is that that was going to be one of my questions about, because I so I looked you up on Twitter to see if I was going to find anything. 32:02.627 --> 32:05.689 [SPEAKER_01]: And then my question was like, oh yeah, I should be asking him about porn. 32:05.729 --> 32:08.170 [SPEAKER_01]: So I'm going to that's literally on my nose right here. 32:08.330 --> 32:09.991 [SPEAKER_01]: What sort of porn are you watching? 32:10.031 --> 32:11.172 [SPEAKER_01]: Where do you watch it? 32:11.712 --> 32:20.837 [SPEAKER_01]: So I can't wait your answer to it or so we'll get into the what's the paywall goes up but let's kind of edge ourselves into the horny questions. 32:21.617 --> 32:27.641 [SPEAKER_01]: Question number one I guess we can sort of ease our way into starting general. 32:28.001 --> 32:39.127 [SPEAKER_01]: Do you have any hook-up tails that come to mind that are either super formative or exciting or embarrassing or integrating anything you would like to share? 32:39.527 --> 32:54.258 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I thought about this and I actually, I wrote this into a play once that was supposed to premiere in the fall of 2020, which of course didn't happen because something else happened in 2020. 32:55.299 --> 32:58.801 [SPEAKER_00]: But I once had a guy come over, this is when I lived in 33:00.763 --> 33:06.849 [SPEAKER_00]: And he was very scruffy and buff, which is a huge turn on combo for me. 33:07.470 --> 33:13.276 [SPEAKER_00]: Great big beard, chest hair, chest pecs, hot. 33:14.378 --> 33:15.098 [SPEAKER_00]: He came in. 33:15.118 --> 33:18.923 [SPEAKER_00]: I have a long hallway in this apartment and a living room. 33:19.443 --> 33:29.048 [SPEAKER_00]: into my bedroom or making out immediately taking off all of our clothes just running our mouths up and down each other. 33:29.068 --> 33:36.793 [SPEAKER_00]: He gives the best in my mind like one of my best getting rimd decisions I've ever had. 33:37.653 --> 33:51.700 [SPEAKER_01]: And for the rest of the interview, head to sub-stack linked below where you will also find chats with Colin Braun, Rich Burns, Christopher Patterson, Rosso, Tyler Varval, Sebastian Dino, Cody Silver, Johnny Sibley, Sam Altizer, and more. 33:52.161 --> 33:59.324 [SPEAKER_01]: It's at substack.com slash at Eric Wills, and I will see you there for a gorgeous Harry Hornie time. 33:59.344 --> 34:00.305 [SPEAKER_01]: I love you, bye!