[UNKNOWN]: Welcome to The Horror Hounds, a lower-hounds podcast.
[UNKNOWN]: I'm John busy emptying chamber pots at Renaud's feeder.
[UNKNOWN]: And I'm Alicia Vampire's spinal surgeon with a surprise cloud gift.
[UNKNOWN]: And today we're talking about the Vampire list at on AMC plus season 1 episode 3 called Toronto or episode 3 of season 3 of interview with Vampire, if you prefer.
[UNKNOWN]: If you want to get into contact with us, send an email to ask Dan at thelorhounds.com or head to our Discord server in the link tree in the show notes to discuss with everybody else currently just obsessed with the show.
[UNKNOWN]: Yes, yeah, we have chats per episode too, so you can get into full spoilers.
[UNKNOWN]: And if you like what you've heard and want to support us or get ad-free and bonus content, check the same link tree for our Patreon and Supercast subscription options.
[UNKNOWN]: We'll preview some of the stuff coming up there at the end of the episode.
[UNKNOWN]: All right.
[UNKNOWN]: Well, here we are episode three.
[UNKNOWN]: I'm nominating this for episode of the year.
[UNKNOWN]: I'm just gonna say that.
[UNKNOWN]: I already put it in my notes for our second breakfast for episode there.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, fine.
[UNKNOWN]: You can nominate all allow it.
[UNKNOWN]: I mean, we can both nominate a dual nomination is twice the impact.
[UNKNOWN]: That's right.
[UNKNOWN]: All right.
[UNKNOWN]: Spoiler warning.
[UNKNOWN]: We're talking
[UNKNOWN]: Um, we have a dedicated the vampire listot harr hounds feed where we put all our harr stuff.
[UNKNOWN]: You also had a widows bay right just wrap that up.
[UNKNOWN]: Sorry, I didn't come.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, we we missed you.
[UNKNOWN]: I'm glad you turned back from that animal you turned into when you were a bit.
[UNKNOWN]: I know, I know, maybe I maybe have my vampire now.
[UNKNOWN]: Who knows?
[UNKNOWN]: Who has it up at?
[UNKNOWN]: Could be.
[UNKNOWN]: I was uh, it was all dark the power went out.
[UNKNOWN]: So, didn't know.
[UNKNOWN]: All right, post credits, Alicia, we're talking spoilers, right?
[UNKNOWN]: Books, boilers.
[UNKNOWN]: Mm-hmm.
[UNKNOWN]: Books, boilers.
[UNKNOWN]: We've got our inside the coffin segment with within that.
[UNKNOWN]: We also have our devil's minion corner, or maybe that should be called night island, but if you know you know, if you don't know, listen to our inside the coffin for episode one.
[UNKNOWN]: Right.
[UNKNOWN]: All right.
[UNKNOWN]: Well, we had a lot of feedback that on the episode two, and again, we're recording this with screeners, so we're a little bit ahead.
[UNKNOWN]: Although we're recording this when the episode is already out, we're just not allowed to release it yet.
[UNKNOWN]: So at least out on the AMC processes, I think it's before the cable AMC, and that's why we're not allowed to release it yet.
[UNKNOWN]: Um, but we had a bunch of feedback from last week, uh, dopamining our faithful lore master wrote in about David Bowie and Lestat.
[UNKNOWN]: So let's get that right on.
[UNKNOWN]: Hey, y'all, this is dopamining and, um, I have a
[UNKNOWN]: a David Bowie slash the thought question.
[UNKNOWN]: So, and after Dark, following episode two, one of the questions that actors were asked was, if they could choose their maker, who would it be?
[UNKNOWN]: David Bowie immediately popped into my head, David Bowie has been popping into my head constantly watching the show's very specifically David Bowie from Labyrinth which I have probably seen more than any other movie and can quote literally every single word of and thankfully Sam Reed said if he could choose his maker.
[UNKNOWN]: It would be David Bowie, and my heart went off letter, and speaking of things going off letter, I, in seeing the stats, performances, which didn't really come up so much in episode two, but definitely in episode one, and in the footage of the New York concert, the pants that Sam Reed wears,
[UNKNOWN]: Definitely remind me of the pants worn by David Bowie and Labyrinth and so I'm wondering if anyone else has had
[UNKNOWN]: David Bowie specifically from Labyrinth, singing in their dreams or watching the Empire Listed, and do we think there is a cod piece in those tight pants or is it on natural?
[UNKNOWN]: And I'll take my spicy question, however you want me to turn it.
[UNKNOWN]: Thanks guys, doing great.
[UNKNOWN]: Bye.
[UNKNOWN]: So I'll take this one because I just wrote down that was as we were listening labyrinth and awakening for girls and age, a gaze of our age.
[UNKNOWN]: It's Pride Month.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, it's appropriate.
[UNKNOWN]: No.
[UNKNOWN]: I mean, but yeah, this is true.
[UNKNOWN]: David Bowie and that movie made an imprint on a lot of us.
[UNKNOWN]: The pants were definitely a part of that.
[UNKNOWN]: And yeah, they've definitely said,
[UNKNOWN]: explicitly that he is, that David Bowie is one of the inspirations that they're looking to, you know, they're taking from because obviously the original book was set in the glam rock era and so they're looking to that for inspiration but then I've heard some funny things about
[UNKNOWN]: Well, I guess it was an interview that Autumn Brown does, she gets interviews with the casting crew of this show so you can watch them on YouTube and she just did one this week with a production designer and I think that was where I heard that they were also looking to like, okay, well, what's like a modern version and they are like, well, what about Miley Cyrus, you know, this sort of sexy show and chip aspect of it.
[UNKNOWN]: So yeah, but definitely David Bowie that's fun.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, I love Bowie.
[UNKNOWN]: I discovered Bowie late.
[UNKNOWN]: I didn't even start listening to Bowie until after he was gone, but I've never seen Labyrinth.
[UNKNOWN]: So maybe that's what that, you know, in a list.
[UNKNOWN]: It's got to be on an essentially show list or something.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: Sounds good.
[UNKNOWN]: No, I love this take dopamine.
[UNKNOWN]: Bowie is definitely in the DNA of a little stop this season.
[UNKNOWN]: And I'm loving it.
[UNKNOWN]: Because, you know, I love a good showman.
[UNKNOWN]: Um, we also had, oh, and by the way, I just wanted to say, uh, we are releasing this episode.
[UNKNOWN]: We're releasing all our podcasts after the embargo lifts on the regular episode, but before the embargo lifts on the, the after dark segment.
[UNKNOWN]: And that's why we're not referencing the after dark segment at all.
[UNKNOWN]: Right.
[UNKNOWN]: so uh thank you dope meaning i hope you call it again mark from nevermind the music also from our widows bay coverage also called and with a uh a nice right what what he call a dissertation great show so and what it sounds i think or seen
[UNKNOWN]: Hey, Lisa.
[UNKNOWN]: Hey, John.
[UNKNOWN]: This is Mark, calling in with some thoughts on the first couple episodes of the Vampireless Stat.
[UNKNOWN]: You have screeners.
[UNKNOWN]: I am watching with the civilians.
[UNKNOWN]: So you have already released your episode to cover.
[UNKNOWN]: So this is about my thoughts on the first two episodes that probably nobody will hear until episode three.
[UNKNOWN]: So sorry about that, everybody.
[UNKNOWN]: I too am bound by
[UNKNOWN]: Unlike the showrunners, which is something I've really liked about this.
[UNKNOWN]: I'll spare you super detailed thoughts on what I think about this show.
[UNKNOWN]: Maybe I'll be on a later episode this season or something like that.
[UNKNOWN]: I'm mostly talking about music today, but what I will say is I love the non-linearity.
[UNKNOWN]: Background information really quick if it's ever possible for Mark to be real quick.
[UNKNOWN]: I read these books probably maybe 20 years ago.
[UNKNOWN]: I got as far as books six.
[UNKNOWN]: I have thoughts about some of the later developments.
[UNKNOWN]: I think I'm good to not read past books six, actually.
[UNKNOWN]: But I reread the first book, but have not reread Vampireless stat or Queen of the Damned since the show started.
[UNKNOWN]: And I might.
[UNKNOWN]: Honestly, I maybe we can talk about this later.
[UNKNOWN]: But
[UNKNOWN]: I didn't like Book One as much as I thought I would when I re-read it a year or two ago.
[UNKNOWN]: I really liked the first half and it kind of fell off a bit for me in the second half, which is why season two was so mind-blowing for me because I thought it was so good and elevated the material.
[UNKNOWN]: In any case, really liking this season so far, the non-linear storytelling and the crazy over-the-top glam rock tone is so satisfying because I find some of that second book.
[UNKNOWN]: a little dry like look John you're gonna be mad at me as a book reader I was not the he just less dad fan I was more of a Louis guy and saw a couple books till he could sort of sell me on him being a cool character honestly or rather till Anne Rice could sell me but the tone of this with the music elements
[UNKNOWN]: and the fact that they're flipping around not necessarily telling a straightforward story of his history, but almost more topics, right?
[UNKNOWN]: Like this was a little bit of backstory about Gabriella, maybe next episode we're going to meet another character and they get that backstory and gradually learn more about his life.
[UNKNOWN]: Anyways, loving it so far, I can't wait for more, can't wait to talk about it more.
[UNKNOWN]: I wanted to talk about the song near the end of the episode, which I think,
[UNKNOWN]: It's probably called La Fontaine, they song.
[UNKNOWN]: At least that is the song of the Charlotte Bota Lair, poem that it's based on.
[UNKNOWN]: This is the song that Lestat is singing while sitting at the piano with Gabriella around, and we see the memories of her turning, et cetera.
[UNKNOWN]: Again, this is the second episode, not the third episode that since then we've all seen.
[UNKNOWN]: And I don't know, I just wanted to point out a few aspects to this that I thought we were really cool because I don't know about a layer well, but I know he's a 19th century French poet.
[UNKNOWN]: And sort of occupies this space before their lane and some of the other poets that would really represent the symbolist movement.
[UNKNOWN]: And I think that's relevant because I was struck by how well composed and well performed.
[UNKNOWN]: this song at the end of the episode was, and how great it captures what probably a 19th century less stat, though he might have been asleep for part of that, what he would have composed if he was living in France in that time period, while Baudelaire was maybe revered by some of the other musicians, and maybe we'll see more about this stuff later, but
[UNKNOWN]: I don't know much about poetic history but what I do know is a fair amount about music history and there's a lot of conversation between the symbolists and some of the other late romantic poems and turn to the century French composers.
[UNKNOWN]: So specifically think the birth of what would become called impressionism, right?
[UNKNOWN]: So there's very lame poems set by Claude Debussy.
[UNKNOWN]: I think Maurice Revelle has them.
[UNKNOWN]: I think there might have even been some Gabrielle foray song cycles that were settings of some of these mid and late 19th century French poets.
[UNKNOWN]: But what I thought was so lovely about this song was that it really seemed to represent a transition.
[UNKNOWN]: And there's a musical transition happening that I'm hearing in this song.
[UNKNOWN]: There's a historical poetic musical transition happening in real life in that era.
[UNKNOWN]: And then, of course, there's a transition from mortal woman who's dying to mortal woman who becomes a vampire.
[UNKNOWN]: And I thought the juxtaposition was so awesome about that.
[UNKNOWN]: That the first time I watched this scene,
[UNKNOWN]: I found myself drawn in by the plot, and then halfway through I was struck by how amazing the music was, and then I couldn't watch the plot anymore, and I was just listening to Sam Reeds really impressive vocal, like in the rock stuff, the singles they released, that he sounded good, but he sounded like a bit like an actor who was a pretty good singer.
[UNKNOWN]: In this song, I'm like, holy cow, this guy can sing beautifully.
[UNKNOWN]: And the music Daniel Hart wrote, which I assume he wrote this song because he wrote the other songs and writes the score and all that.
[UNKNOWN]: Just kind of overtook me and then I had to rewatch the scene so I could listen to the beginning of the music, which I wasn't as much paying attention to the first time.
[UNKNOWN]: And then switch to follow the plot for the second half of the piece.
[UNKNOWN]: I sort of, it took two takes for my brain to reconcile it.
[UNKNOWN]: But anyways,
[UNKNOWN]: not to run too long on this, but this song feels very much like a mix between what you could call romantic art song and impressionist art song.
[UNKNOWN]: And so, if you think of a more 19th century style, moving into a more 20th century, early 20th century French style.
[UNKNOWN]: And I mentioned some names of folks associated with this.
[UNKNOWN]: Even the composer, Claude Debussy, actually has an early song cycle called Sank Poem de Charles Baudelaire, that is a setting of a bunch of Baudelaire poetry, but apparently that song cycle was actually criticized for being too romantic, because Baudelaire's poetry really isn't impressionist yet, or symbolist would be the more accurate term, but he was inspirational to those later artists.
[UNKNOWN]: But Debussy's setting was very like romantic and criticised as being too Wagnerian, which, at turn of the century, France was actually kind of a four-letter word, if you were an upcoming composer.
[UNKNOWN]: There's also some composers like Camille Sanson that I would associate with these sort of transitional late 19th century, early 20th century, not quite impressionist, not quite romantic, just occupying this liminal space that seems to be being captured here.
[UNKNOWN]: So the song that heart wrote for the show has a lot of elements of the sort of sadness, the power of Reed's voice that echoes a kind of romantic very 19th century aspect to it.
[UNKNOWN]: But then it has a lot of compositional devices that we would associate more with, Reveller, Debussy, or these later impressionist composers.
[UNKNOWN]: So think like the melody is very modular like it has little repeating almost riffs like a pop song or an electronic piece might in the 21st century as opposed to a long line of a melody that you would hear in like arms or whatever right and also has a lot of in the piano writing what we call planning where there's parallel cords moving up and down the keyboard which is
[UNKNOWN]: something you wouldn't really see in a lot of 19th century writing but becomes very okay.
[UNKNOWN]: It's sort of a rule's breaking moment in the late 19th and early and early 20th century in France at least.
[UNKNOWN]: And Daniel Hart is incorporating a lot of this
[UNKNOWN]: into this song, and after a couple of lessons, and I'm recording this before the song has been released to the public just as a single on Spotify or whatever, so I'm only hearing it in the context of the scene, but I can't help but be connecting that context of the scene of Gabrielle is transformation into being a vampire with this sort of transitional figure that Bottle Air represents,
[UNKNOWN]: And I'm imagining the transitional figure in artistic movements that less that may have been, though somebody who's re-watched this series more recently than me can clarify if maybe he was asleep at the time of the French impressionists.
[UNKNOWN]: We do know that by the end of that era he was in Louisiana, far from all of that.
[UNKNOWN]: but anyways, I just thought the linkages between errors of musical style was really cool with the linkages between the live transition stuff that was happening in the actual scene.
[UNKNOWN]: Anyways, sorry, ranting a bit too long there, but love your coverage so far.
[UNKNOWN]: Maybe see you all later.
[UNKNOWN]: Can't wait for the next episode.
[UNKNOWN]: Thank you, Mark.
[UNKNOWN]: I mean, first of all, as always, thorough.
[UNKNOWN]: And if you want more thoroughness on music, you need to go over and remind the music, what you can find in the link right in the show notes.
[UNKNOWN]: Alicia, I saw you making notes here.
[UNKNOWN]: And so I'm going to rely on your over preparedness to lead us through any follow-ups here.
[UNKNOWN]: Um, yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: So, uh, just to answer his last question, it apparently, the thoughts bend, what did he say most of the 18th century, most of the 19th, it must have been most of the 19th century as a sea.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: So, he missed then the French impression is pretty much.
[UNKNOWN]: Um, but yeah, I think the amount of research that goes into this is absolutely incredible.
[UNKNOWN]: Since Mark brought it up, Shalai share my translation of the Baudelaire lyrics.
[UNKNOWN]: Please.
[UNKNOWN]: I voiced it this upon the discord community as well as we had some discussion of it and there's comparisons with other translations of the poem itself.
[UNKNOWN]: But I focused on translating these as song lyrics that fit the beats of the melody.
[UNKNOWN]: That's cool.
[UNKNOWN]: And I didn't try to keep the form of the French style with the rhyming and the syllabic form.
[UNKNOWN]: Instead, I just tried to fit it to the music and try to focus on keeping the meaning of the words, but also in so much as they represent Lestat.
[UNKNOWN]: So, this is my version, it's as imperfect as any other translation, sometimes it seems like my blood flows in a torrent and a fountain of rhythmic stops.
[UNKNOWN]: I hear it trickle out in a long murmur, but when I feel for the wound I find it is in vain.
[UNKNOWN]: Yada,ada,ada,ada,ada,ada,ada,ada,ada,ada.
[UNKNOWN]: Across the city, now an isolated pasture at flows, creating islands from cobblestones, feeding each yearning creatures need and coloring all of nature red.
[UNKNOWN]: Yada-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-
[UNKNOWN]: So that's more or less what the poem means.
[UNKNOWN]: Beautiful translation, wonderfully done.
[UNKNOWN]: Which is a description of fame, I think, right?
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: I can also see why Gabriela was kind of rolling her eyes at him because he's just so god damn dramatic, you know.
[UNKNOWN]: But this collection, we heard this collection reference the Baudelaire cycle in the auction from the beginning of the first episode, and Louie had a response to it that made me wonder
[UNKNOWN]: these songs are going to be important to him also because the melody of the song is the same melody that we heard the stop playing to Louis in a well yeah it was at the first episode yeah when they have that nice moment before the stop lines out about the book
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, he's playing a song that you're trying to write him the most beautiful song in the world, but then he got distracted.
[UNKNOWN]: So he didn't.
[UNKNOWN]: But yeah, we brought up before also in the first episode, the Baudelaire, he was a symbolist as Mark was saying, which means, you know, he's into like describing things in a way that's more real than real, the sort of heightened realism.
[UNKNOWN]: That is, um,
[UNKNOWN]: That's really cool.
[UNKNOWN]: That's a really cool theme to bring into the season because that's basically what Lestad is trying to do with his songs and with the interview, right?
[UNKNOWN]: Mm-hmm.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: Can I ask you, you've been rereading the books?
[UNKNOWN]: How did you find your reread?
[UNKNOWN]: I mean, it's my my read.
[UNKNOWN]: Oh, you read it's your first read.
[UNKNOWN]: Sorry, sorry.
[UNKNOWN]: No, no, no.
[UNKNOWN]: Um, yeah, no, it's it's good.
[UNKNOWN]: It's I was a little
[UNKNOWN]: disappointed in the first one because it's so toned down compared to the show.
[UNKNOWN]: The second one is really, it's really grabbing me.
[UNKNOWN]: I'm almost done with the vampire list.
[UNKNOWN]: Now, I think I like one more section.
[UNKNOWN]: One more like major section.
[UNKNOWN]: But yeah, I just don't like our mind.
[UNKNOWN]: Then I do like, let's stop.
[UNKNOWN]: That's really my big take from that book.
[UNKNOWN]: the more I read, the more I like, and like a lot of it is stuff I already knew from the show.
[UNKNOWN]: I was just like, man, our mom just sucks, and I'm looking forward to getting into that as we go through this episode a little bit.
[UNKNOWN]: All right, I'll say something inside the coffin about the worst thing that our Mondas, which in the books, which is actually in the 6th book, you know, Mark said he stopped reading at the 6th book, which is called the Vampire Armand.
[UNKNOWN]: And we know we're using aspects of that in this show, but it's funny.
[UNKNOWN]: I won't make you like Armand anymore, but it is.
[UNKNOWN]: I'm going to talk about when we go through this episode.
[UNKNOWN]: It's interesting how they're kind of rehabilitating the Armand character versus the books of it.
[UNKNOWN]: And I have to say, I've been enjoying my reread of the books more than I necessarily expected to.
[UNKNOWN]: So my story again was, I was into them as a teen up through.
[UNKNOWN]: I think I realized it was like blood and gold.
[UNKNOWN]: It was the last one I read, the Marius one, and then I went to college.
[UNKNOWN]: And then I didn't revisit them again until this show came out.
[UNKNOWN]: And so now for this season, okay, let's start from the beginning.
[UNKNOWN]: you know there's things like people always talk about in the fandom all these horrible like uh you know a mother sexually abusing her son they all these fun things like that and so i go in reading the books and i find it do have to squint even more than we do with wheel of time because sometimes there are things in the wheel of time are like oh
[UNKNOWN]: That's not great what happens with Matt and Thailand.
[UNKNOWN]: That's sort of thing and that is on hyperdrive with these books but the show adds so much context that I find them enjoying the books more than ever because just the way that the show addresses these controversies straight on and I don't it's not keeping all of them and I think that's a good thing but it's taking some of the worst ones like
[UNKNOWN]: Boy, there's, I put in a trigger warning or a content warning after, but when we're about to get into this episode, this show really does mix this entertaining silly plot with some of the darkest aspects of life, right?
[UNKNOWN]: Life and death, I guess.
[UNKNOWN]: it's it's it's why I think it's the best show on television right now because I just don't know another show that operates at this high level on both of those aspects.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, yeah agreed.
[UNKNOWN]: Shall we hear from Corey new listener and found found from the R slash interview with the vampire subreddit right?
[UNKNOWN]: He's a moderator there.
[UNKNOWN]: Lead moderator I believe.
[UNKNOWN]: very cool.
[UNKNOWN]: Well, Corey, happy to have you.
[UNKNOWN]: Thanks also for allowing us to post over there.
[UNKNOWN]: If you if you saw our post there, thanks to the mods for allowing us to post about the show, our podcast on that subreddit.
[UNKNOWN]: Go over there.
[UNKNOWN]: If you want to, you know, have a have some forum based discussion.
[UNKNOWN]: Here we go for Cory's voicemail, and I know there's going to be another one after in the book spoiler section, but here's Cory's first voicemail.
[UNKNOWN]: Oh, no, no, it's Cory.
[UNKNOWN]: I'm one of the moderators for the R-4 interview vampires.
[UNKNOWN]: So what is the main subject for the interview, the vampire and the vampire of the stat series?
[UNKNOWN]: I have been a lifelong fan of Anne Rice and the Chronicles.
[UNKNOWN]: I own every single one of the books, including some of the sidelines, just been a huge fan of work for many, many years.
[UNKNOWN]: Huge fan of the first movie.
[UNKNOWN]: I enjoyed it very much as a snapshot of exactly the first book.
[UNKNOWN]: I do consider Queen of the Dan to be some of a guilty pleasure.
[UNKNOWN]: That's kind of a contested thing, but that's just my take there.
[UNKNOWN]: And obviously, I absolutely love the new series.
[UNKNOWN]: I love all of the actual characteristics.
[UNKNOWN]: I think it'd done a phenomenal job with the new story.
[UNKNOWN]: With regards to the Vampire of the Stad Episode 2, there's a lot to like about this.
[UNKNOWN]: Most specifically, I think what I like the most about this episode is just the amount of Lord drops that are happening in casual conversations.
[UNKNOWN]: I know a lot of people are talking about the David Talbot thing, for me, the more interesting ones are some of the ones that happened earlier in the episode, for example, vampires can taste different skin blood and they have a preference for them.
[UNKNOWN]: That was really interesting.
[UNKNOWN]: I actually don't know a lot of vampires series that go into that or had that discussion usually it's like blood is blood that kind of thing.
[UNKNOWN]: but in this case, they actually wanted to address that, which I think is kind of fascinating.
[UNKNOWN]: Lestat likes KFC confirmed.
[UNKNOWN]: That was fantastic.
[UNKNOWN]: It's a learn that he definitely dines there.
[UNKNOWN]: I guess my only question would be, does he like original or extra crispy?
[UNKNOWN]: We definitely don't need to know what kind of chicken he likes because it's already was confirmed in episode one that, oh, or stat likes a good thigh, that's for sure.
[UNKNOWN]: The other thing that I noticed was, again, this is kind of an interesting Lordrape here that they just confirmed for us, but he says he was alive for 54,554 days before meeting Louis, but actually matches with the timeline, the stat meets Louis 1910, subtracting that amount of time, brings us back to 1760.
[UNKNOWN]: which again, it's one of those blinking-emissive things, but it's also I think where they just never miss on the consistency of these kinds of things.
[UNKNOWN]: Another thing that I noticed was when they were when Gabriella was talking about the predatory spirit, the candidate for the big conversion,
[UNKNOWN]: Um, I think that's really interesting.
[UNKNOWN]: I have some thoughts about it that I can't give because it would be book spoilers, but that's very interesting.
[UNKNOWN]: Um, and then the other thing was some of the supernatural happenings that have been kind of happening in the background, um, baby jinks having her out of body experience.
[UNKNOWN]: Daniel quote unquote seeing Armand and then Louis seeing Claudia multiple times and he says multiple ways which I also find very interesting and I wonder what they're going to do with that whether they fully bring her back or not.
[UNKNOWN]: Overall like the season has already proven itself to be a
[UNKNOWN]: and it's also carded its own way in taking the focal point from Louis to Louis stat and then very quickly addressing what the shift in focus and intent is going to be for this.
[UNKNOWN]: So I'm really interested to see where they go from here.
[UNKNOWN]: Cool.
[UNKNOWN]: Corey, thank you for calling in because it's really great to have diverse perspectives especially a super fan like you who's going into all the books that is so different from my perspective where I'm mostly a new reader.
[UNKNOWN]: Well, just for other new readers out there just since he made reference to the David Talbot thing, we did talk about it more in the last episode that it was like this throw a line that's sending the book readers for a tailspin, but just in case anyone didn't hear him that quickly.
[UNKNOWN]: Louis just had a throw a line last episode that he.
[UNKNOWN]: took care of presumably killed an agent Talweb's, which David Talweb is one of the biggest characters in the books, but he's not well loved in the fandom because of some of this ikiness that goes on with him, and also because he takes away a lot of Louis story, so people think
[UNKNOWN]: I think a lot of people, some people are basically going to be upset, but I think a lot of people are like, no, that makes sense and his story gets divided between Louie and Daniel.
[UNKNOWN]: Nice.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, I'm fine with getting rid of problematic characters.
[UNKNOWN]: Do we need to do?
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, I mean, there are all problematic characters at the end of the show, but yeah, I'm, you know, if we can have more time for our characters who we already know and love, then that makes sense to make.
[UNKNOWN]: Problematic ones we like.
[UNKNOWN]: the devil you know.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, but Corey did send in another lore bomb that's going to be at the end of the episode, but also he sent in a blog post.
[UNKNOWN]: So Brian is working on that and that will be up soon and that is all about the in the show world and in the books the lore behind this great conversion thing keeps coming up.
[UNKNOWN]: Nice.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, I have no idea what's going on with this great
[UNKNOWN]: All right, well, I think we're ready to talk about the episode.
[UNKNOWN]: Wait, what did you think it's in?
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: Tell us what you thought Alicia.
[UNKNOWN]: I mean, yeah, for me, with this off, what's this before we started recording or in the recording that we both agreed we were nominating it for episode of the game?
[UNKNOWN]: I think that was in the recording, yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: Okay, yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: So I guess you have an idea of what we think, but I just, yeah, what a ride.
[UNKNOWN]: Like, I watched it right after we recorded the last episode and then I was messaging you at that night.
[UNKNOWN]: I was like, you have to watch this, oh my God.
[UNKNOWN]: And I didn't watch it till last night.
[UNKNOWN]: I waited just because I was busy this week.
[UNKNOWN]: So I'm kind of glad I did because I didn't have to wait so long to talk to you.
[UNKNOWN]: No, I just had to wait.
[UNKNOWN]: But gave me lots of time to think.
[UNKNOWN]: Many notes came out of it.
[UNKNOWN]: But no, just the whole thing, the things that stand out to me, especially like the Magnus music video moment, well, we should talk about that more, but oh my god, just that had me like,
[UNKNOWN]: howling with laughter and like crying at the same time at the contrast of, you know, this clear deflection on the stats part with the much more brutal reality we see later in the episode, which then that itself is juxtaposed with Claudia's devastating journal entry.
[UNKNOWN]: So it's just the layers of this show or just crazy chefs kiss all of the artistry.
[UNKNOWN]: I think they show really, you know, when I see events, this is a show that drives me to spend a lot of time in the fandom space.
[UNKNOWN]: And when I see people discussing it, of course, as a usual fandom bullshit, you know, fights.
[UNKNOWN]: But in overall, what I see taking place is a lesson in empathy, because everyone who wants to understand the mysteries of this show in order to do so, they need to be like, well, no, because that was through,
[UNKNOWN]: Let's start explaining our mom's perspective, but this was our mom's speaking for himself.
[UNKNOWN]: We have to take the context into account, so like, whoa, right.
[UNKNOWN]: So what I'm saying is the vampire let's start is good for humanity.
[UNKNOWN]: No bell peace price for the vampire let's start.
[UNKNOWN]: The show is much better for me humanity than the person, right?
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, yes.
[UNKNOWN]: I don't think the actual vampire let's that would be very good for humanity.
[UNKNOWN]: No, no, it was a joke.
[UNKNOWN]: But, and then I just think there was some fun reveals tucked in at the end, too, where like at the end, as soon as I started doing that circle turn, I was like, oh my gosh, I know there's a reveal coming, and then as soon as I heard the voice, I'm like, our mom, our baby's back.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, I was like, who's there?
[UNKNOWN]: Who's there?
[UNKNOWN]: Wait, wait, did you think?
[UNKNOWN]: I mean, I joke a lot about watching this show to thirst over a list of, but this episode really shows why I want to show, like this is the actual reason I want to show is that I don't think another show is operating at the same level where they can have this beautiful and horrifying depiction of trauma in one scene, have me laughing at another scene,
[UNKNOWN]: Why is it so good at what it does?
[UNKNOWN]: And I don't even know what it does, exactly.
[UNKNOWN]: Maybe you didn't even think of the machine like you're saying.
[UNKNOWN]: But just what is this creation?
[UNKNOWN]: That these creators have made.
[UNKNOWN]: It really showcases for me the power of genre fiction, right?
[UNKNOWN]: Like genre fiction to me.
[UNKNOWN]: And I mean, you know, fantasy's high five, when all these things that end up in the other part of the bookshelf from the literary fiction.
[UNKNOWN]: The power of it is that it lets you suspend your preconceptions about the real world and let you empathize in even though it's it's factually much separate from your life that separation actually let you empathize better and so when you have
[UNKNOWN]: that scene and trigger warning.
[UNKNOWN]: I'm going to give this content warning now because it's going to come up throughout the episode.
[UNKNOWN]: There is talk of sexual assault and abusive relationships all throughout this episode, especially towards the end.
[UNKNOWN]: But you know, you have this scene of a very real thing of sexual assault and this kidnapping and horrible abuse of Claudia.
[UNKNOWN]: And then you have that juxtaposed with a fantasy horror aspect of list-stop being turned against his consent.
[UNKNOWN]: And I don't know, but that it made it more powerful to see those together, right?
[UNKNOWN]: It made you, like you said, it's an empathy machine.
[UNKNOWN]: It shows you all the different ways people are violated and abused and how it affects them.
[UNKNOWN]: And it's, yeah, I mean.
[UNKNOWN]: And all the ways of coping with it, yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: All the ways of coping with it.
[UNKNOWN]: And then of course, we're going to sing about that at the end.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, just incredible episode.
[UNKNOWN]: I can't believe how good it was.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: Let's take a minute to breathe.
[UNKNOWN]: Let's take a break.
[UNKNOWN]: I mean, I'm definitely going to talk more about why I think that juxtaposition works at well when we get to that part.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: All right, let's take a break.
[UNKNOWN]: And we'll come back and get ourselves together.
[UNKNOWN]: We're back, and I'm Title Ignis for a section interview with the Vampire.
[UNKNOWN]: Let's start has a pre-interview snack of newlywed before begrudgingly arriving at its interview with Daniel.
[UNKNOWN]: As his car is cleaned from the murders, let's start dodges Daniel's deeper questions and only answers the most shallow questions about his music.
[UNKNOWN]: Gabriella thinks the whole thing is hilarious, and tells Daniel he's boring with
[UNKNOWN]: Let's start starts to crash out about his concert attendants and has an emotional breakdown about that and his stutter as Daniel Basks and his success.
[UNKNOWN]: Let's stop laughs and calls himself Louis DePont du Lac.
[UNKNOWN]: This scene.
[UNKNOWN]: is is again this is the perfect mix of like moving and hilarious to me and by the way the entire tron I looked this up created in the nineties and he's like this is a new kind of camera I'm like well I guess for Lestad it's pretty new
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, I guess it's new, well, and let me see, 90s.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, that was after even their first interview.
[UNKNOWN]: But it's new for them because before we had the black and white, footage was, I think, every, the only footage we could trust and now I'm taking in this whole scene.
[UNKNOWN]: I went through it a few times, trying to figure out which parts were real or not.
[UNKNOWN]: And I think any time we see them in the screens talking, that's real.
[UNKNOWN]: but I really need the cut where they show, well yeah, we'll go through that part later.
[UNKNOWN]: I put that in the separate part of your notes, but I loved when the whole thing went with Lestat and they're calling her Sophia.
[UNKNOWN]: And they are so annoyed with her influence on him and they call Christine calls him, where are you and you says where are any of us really?
[UNKNOWN]: killed me.
[UNKNOWN]: Oh speaking of killed um okay so Daniel we've learned that he was born April 16th 1953 and which apparently is just like a week before Eric Burgosian's real birthday looked it up out of curiosity as April 24th 1953.
[UNKNOWN]: Well can I just say is that birthday actually accurate because he goes I assume afterward.
[UNKNOWN]: No, because he said I assume after like he was handed into his mother's waiting arms and okay, I wasn't sure if everything before that was then deemed inaccurate.
[UNKNOWN]: Oh, okay.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: Well, yeah, I mean, at this point, they made it so close.
[UNKNOWN]: Why not just give it the real actors, but I guess maybe that's blurring reality too much.
[UNKNOWN]: But I don't like how Lestat is talking about Daniel in the past tense.
[UNKNOWN]: But I also think the fact that Lestat has implied several times, there's been multiple implications that Daniel is dying.
[UNKNOWN]: I, yeah, don't think it's going to happen because you don't, like, keep saying that in the future.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, you don't keep saying that at the beginning of the season.
[UNKNOWN]: But I do, I do think it's going to unfold in a way that I brought up and inside the conference section before that I will bring up again this time and I worry about Eric
[UNKNOWN]: The only thing I'll say is Claudia was also signaled to be dead many times early on in interview with the vampire and she was indeed dead in the end.
[UNKNOWN]: So it could happen.
[UNKNOWN]: That's true.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: I did think it was funny that let's not say it's considered rude to ask a vampire details of their mortal existence.
[UNKNOWN]: It's a deep stutter.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: It's the same energy of when he's like pronouns are good manners, like silence at a urinal.
[UNKNOWN]: Right, that's true.
[UNKNOWN]: He's like everybody just leave me alone.
[UNKNOWN]: He's so passive aggressive all the time and that's that's why it's fun, right?
[UNKNOWN]: Like it's fun to watch him interact with the world.
[UNKNOWN]: But so we were talking before that you and I have different feelings about the final song.
[UNKNOWN]: We'll talk about its place in the episode later, but you were saying that you, I guess you don't agree about the lyrics the Daniel was making fun of, but you didn't like the lyrics of this week's new song.
[UNKNOWN]: Daniel's absolutely right.
[UNKNOWN]: I mean, I love that song that ooh, ooh, but he is right to be like, you're going to tell me that this is your story and it's just like you making gutter all noises.
[UNKNOWN]: by list out explains that it's um i mean he says yet it's a door stop because you don't want to talk about yourself and we see that play out in the magnets music video but um but list out does explain you know he's like long face he goes through the lyrics he's like it's i'm a performative vampire this is about at the end you get the real thing you know it's about uh you put on the makeup but get fat or when you break up
[UNKNOWN]: uh... black licorice about structure and ritualization uh... judge and drained thrilled and shamed left wanting more so eighties yet i think that this is how a lot of artists are like yet it looks like like i was just having a discussion uh... on a discord server not aren't but another one about is there actually any death to the movie back rooms and uh...
[UNKNOWN]: There's a two-hour podcast of David and I talking about how much depth we think there is, but I can also understand how other people don't see that and that to me Is like the best kind of art where you can just be like it's on the surface level.
[UNKNOWN]: It's this fun little song But actually it means something more to the person who made it
[UNKNOWN]: That's the netflix effect in my opinion.
[UNKNOWN]: This is netflix training people to need everything spelled out Just to understand it and and that's just not how media has traditionally been good media at least and and there is still I'm not this is not me like wait, you know shaking hit fist at That's scutty clouds.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, this is me saying like there has always been good in bad media and The kind of media that trains people to only look at the surface is bad media
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, yeah, no, at least not not high quality media.
[UNKNOWN]: I know I can enjoy some bad media.
[UNKNOWN]: Sometimes I watch 90 day if you.
[UNKNOWN]: I'm saying I don't come at, but it's not that's not like, you know, artistic media.
[UNKNOWN]: Not to use marketing terms, but, you know, it's like the lean-in versus lean-back media, you know, I love this show because it's something that you're not going to experience at the same level if you're looking at your phone, which I think was dotted a throwaway joke about as well in this episode.
[UNKNOWN]: Whereas there are other like films or whatever that I watch that I'm I just expect.
[UNKNOWN]: Oh, this is not going to rock my world.
[UNKNOWN]: So I'm just strapped in for a good time.
[UNKNOWN]: Like I really liked Mendo and Grogu.
[UNKNOWN]: I gave her four stars, but I don't think it's a lean and story really, you know what I mean?
[UNKNOWN]: Right.
[UNKNOWN]: No, I think that's right.
[UNKNOWN]: You know, you can, I could definitely fold much mando and grow grew.
[UNKNOWN]: You know, that is looks nice.
[UNKNOWN]: Come on.
[UNKNOWN]: Nice green.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: All right.
[UNKNOWN]: It gave me a big headache, but it's fine.
[UNKNOWN]: I'll never forgive it for that.
[UNKNOWN]: I do wonder, I was trying to analyze in my latest watch at what point in the interview, let's start deciding to start messing with Daniel or even if he's messing with him and we'll talk about the rest of the interview later.
[UNKNOWN]: But I even wonder if he's messing with him often on the whole time with a few interjections, but one of the first things I pinpoint is when
[UNKNOWN]: When Daniel is making fun of the lyrics and Gabriella laughs and let's start clocks that and looks embarrassed like you embarrassed me in front of my mom fledgling leather.
[UNKNOWN]: And I think that's the first moment where he's like he might even start messing with Daniel then with some interjections we'll talk about later or that's one of the first moments where he's like now I'm gonna get back at this guy.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: I don't know.
[UNKNOWN]: I think that's probably right.
[UNKNOWN]: I did really enjoy Gabrielle throughout this whole episode, just cracking up at everything, just being utterly amused.
[UNKNOWN]: I also think she is possibly the most evil person in the room at any time.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: Oh, total lack of empathy.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: For sure.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: And list odd is, um, I feel for him to a certain degree, you know, he's like, I've had 40 shows and 43 fucking nights, you know, he's like, nobody appreciates how hard I'm working.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, I think they're, you know, the best lies are, you know, based on truths, right?
[UNKNOWN]: And so he's, he's probably tired.
[UNKNOWN]: He's probably like, you know, tired of people not responding to his art, especially.
[UNKNOWN]: Um, and that's why I think at the end, he kind of relies on a stunt, right?
[UNKNOWN]: He really is a stunt to get people to make him go viral and probably sell out the next stadium.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: yeah because we also see he let's not has like a half stutter at one point and then fakes this whole breakdown I think big and Gabriela looks shocked by it and then I think he exaggerates this whole breakdown and then you know does the whole thing repeats through his fingers and starts laughing which is brilliant to be well um
[UNKNOWN]: Oh, I don't think he was ever actually stuttering, because it was too perfect.
[UNKNOWN]: You know what I mean?
[UNKNOWN]: It was too like, oh, he got him emotional and now his stutter returns after 200 years.
[UNKNOWN]: He's never stuttered.
[UNKNOWN]: But all of a sudden he's stuttering.
[UNKNOWN]: I'm like, no, I don't think so.
[UNKNOWN]: I think that was from the beginning.
[UNKNOWN]: He was like, I mess up with him.
[UNKNOWN]: Um, I mean, I think he was messing with him, but I also think that a lot of the emotional response was, you know, and also, especially what Daniel saw, you know, in their shared delusion, um, was real because we see the way he's behaving afterwards, and he is like really shook by that.
[UNKNOWN]: That was definitely real later.
[UNKNOWN]: I'm totally with you later.
[UNKNOWN]: I just think that the stuttering scene was all him messing on them, but the Nicky stuff always
[UNKNOWN]: Right, right.
[UNKNOWN]: And the reason it was real emotion is because he knows a thing, I'm didn't get it on tape.
[UNKNOWN]: Right, true, true.
[UNKNOWN]: Um, and yeah, just since you brought up the great conversion in this part, I'll just say that there is a lower bomb about the book side of that from Corey and inside the coffin, but just for the TV show side of thing, I did just re-binge the Talamaska.
[UNKNOWN]: because of this aspect of it.
[UNKNOWN]: So just a reminder of what we've seen on screen about that is we've heard vampires referencing the fact that they want there to be more vampires.
[UNKNOWN]: And so this is called the Great Conversion, but also in the telemaska series, the vampires are
[UNKNOWN]: there's the telemascar are choosing to turn some low level vampires for nefarious reasons that we may or may not ever find out about because the telemascar series was canceled.
[UNKNOWN]: Right, the Jasper stuff was all really cool.
[UNKNOWN]: I wish we had continued with that, but it definitely could work its way in.
[UNKNOWN]: Very easily they could work that in.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: There's a lot of things about like story teases and care.
[UNKNOWN]: I let really like the
[UNKNOWN]: No, I think you're right, except I don't care about guy, and you can't make me.
[UNKNOWN]: That's fine.
[UNKNOWN]: Um, you want to tell us about the mission and then the next one too, since it give you like a sentence to read.
[UNKNOWN]: I do enough talking.
[UNKNOWN]: Louis arrives at the Detroit Coven House and murders everyone there in a fun musical experience.
[UNKNOWN]: He sends the humans away in an Uber.
[UNKNOWN]: And you, you made a note about the song?
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, it's jeweled by T-Rex, which is from 70s, very exciting.
[UNKNOWN]: Great, great song choice.
[UNKNOWN]: I watched this last time I was thinking of Scooby-Doo.
[UNKNOWN]: Scooby-do in the way he's like going in the shadows in the in the different rooms and stuff.
[UNKNOWN]: I thought John Wick, but okay Wait, why not both John Wick?
[UNKNOWN]: Of course my favorite my favorite John Wick line is The whole city against John Wick so odd to her about even
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, a whole house of baby vamps against one with the second with the second hand blood of Akasha.
[UNKNOWN]: Is there about even?
[UNKNOWN]: I'm glad you clocked that that was a T-rex song though because I'm not as familiar and I really like this show is making me want to get more familiar with the T-rex music catalog because Daniel also named dropped them in episode one.
[UNKNOWN]: I didn't notice that.
[UNKNOWN]: I just looked up the lyrics.
[UNKNOWN]: I did not know T-Rex before.
[UNKNOWN]: Okay, I looked up the lyrics.
[UNKNOWN]: I made a came up.
[UNKNOWN]: All right.
[UNKNOWN]: I don't remember the lyrics, but we're they.
[UNKNOWN]: Okay.
[UNKNOWN]: So, well, I've got a little babe with jewels on her lip.
[UNKNOWN]: Her hair is like a river.
[UNKNOWN]: It's flashed and fast and slowly drips.
[UNKNOWN]: She bathes and thunder.
[UNKNOWN]: The elves are under her.
[UNKNOWN]: She walks.
[UNKNOWN]: The wind and has panther
[UNKNOWN]: yeah i think i think he is the panther which okay so super small moment as the show likes to drop a big information but Louie flew he used the cloud gift to get up to the second floor and now we don't know if this is just the start telling but it is interesting because Louie
[UNKNOWN]: You know, he is a fledgling of list art, post drinking from Akasha, so on the one hand, he should have more gifts, but it's like, in the books, it's like for the longest time, he just doesn't, isn't that really that interested in going beyond like the fire gift, because he loves burning things.
[UNKNOWN]: So yeah, that was just like a small little thing like of course if Lou is Ben and he was also with our mom another super old vampire for a long time like he should have to count gift people asked that all the time and here we saw him just casually do it.
[UNKNOWN]: I'm glad I'm glad he deserved it by the way, when he's hops at least he does big hops at least I'll say not as much flying as we'll stop it's okay fair enough.
[UNKNOWN]: No, I was going to say I when I looked up the joule song in the you might also like on genius.com was brutal love by the vampire list.
[UNKNOWN]: That won't do.
[UNKNOWN]: Also taste by Sabrina Carpenter if anyone's interested but no yeah no that's funny.
[UNKNOWN]: that it was like, oh no, yeah, I will because now we're recording it after the episode has dropped on ANC plus of maybe people are looking it up alongside it.
[UNKNOWN]: Right, true, true, true, yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: Um, we also have to mention that when Louie goes in, he decapitates one of the vampires and that's especially interesting because at another point in the interview scene, Dr. Farid, who's not there of course, um, he just casually drops to Daniel.
[UNKNOWN]: He's like, oh, well, let's not might not have died if he had been beheaded because, um, Farid says that there were studies done in Budapest,
[UNKNOWN]: trying to kill vampires and seeing how long until they die.
[UNKNOWN]: And it turns out, whatever a class B vampire is lasted almost two hours.
[UNKNOWN]: And he says a vampire of less stats breeding could last four to five hours.
[UNKNOWN]: But we see Louis decapitate this probably baby vampire without a strong sire I would imagine and he only lasts about a minute.
[UNKNOWN]: All I could think about for this whole scene was Michael Scott and the office saying his capa was detated.
[UNKNOWN]: I don't remember this, is this another one of the shows that you rewatch as a comfort choke?
[UNKNOWN]: Oh yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: The office is a big comfort.
[UNKNOWN]: I probably watch it like 20 times, I don't know.
[UNKNOWN]: Okay, yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: Just in the background.
[UNKNOWN]: I watched most of it except for like maybe the last two seasons or something.
[UNKNOWN]: Okay, I only wanted to not sense it came out.
[UNKNOWN]: I will defend season eight.
[UNKNOWN]: Okay.
[UNKNOWN]: Season nine is garbage.
[UNKNOWN]: Hot.
[UNKNOWN]: Okay.
[UNKNOWN]: All right, when did Michael Scott, I mean, sorry, when did Steve girl leave?
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, at the end of season seven, he leaves.
[UNKNOWN]: So season eight and nine are without him.
[UNKNOWN]: Season eight has Robert California played by James Bader and I think he is fantastic.
[UNKNOWN]: And I will defend that season with my life.
[UNKNOWN]: All right.
[UNKNOWN]: All right, fair.
[UNKNOWN]: Not as good, but very good.
[UNKNOWN]: Okay, anyway, his cap was detected.
[UNKNOWN]: Let's get back to that.
[UNKNOWN]: Well, I just, and I love the shot, too, when the, with the, uh, we're just a potatoed cappa with his head in the foreground, and then you see, like, Louie goes into the house and there's all this chaos in the background, and it reminded me of the, one of my favorite all-time shots from this show in season two, when Louie and Armand go on their first date.
[UNKNOWN]: And they go, Armand takes him, he's like, oh, I own this house.
[UNKNOWN]: Let's kill everyone inside for funsies.
[UNKNOWN]: But he and Louie stay outside for flirting while Claudia and the rest go inside and have a good time in the background Hello back.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, that is a good call back.
[UNKNOWN]: I just really like seeing Louie in action It's nice to see him regain agency that he had lost so much I love how we're like he's really healing and he's like murdering everybody It's really in a better place now He's willing to express his emotions in a healthy way
[UNKNOWN]: But it is interesting also these these are the start stories and he kind of sees his love as a superhero, I suppose.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, oh, that's sweet.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: I love them.
[UNKNOWN]: I'm a loose dot chipper.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, for sure.
[UNKNOWN]: I am too.
[UNKNOWN]: Okay, but the farm we saw that looked, I mean obviously that's not how they would tell the humans about it when they were talking about it on the bus, but that did not look good.
[UNKNOWN]: do you think unsanctioned like is it unsanctioned because they were treating the humans cruelly or are regular farms along those lines as well because I did not look very consensual.
[UNKNOWN]: No, it did not.
[UNKNOWN]: I'm sure that there's some like regulations where the telebask is like
[UNKNOWN]: Look, if the people really want to be your little familiar, is then fine, but I had this, yeah, you're right.
[UNKNOWN]: This was not consensual.
[UNKNOWN]: This was just, again, the, I think that's the kind of the overarching beam of this episode is Abuser Abused Relationships.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: It's said.
[UNKNOWN]: I'm curious to see others in compare.
[UNKNOWN]: Like if the telemapska have some, like fancy schmancy one, but it's essentially the same thing.
[UNKNOWN]: Is that any better?
[UNKNOWN]: It's the Martha Stewart of, um, you know, I think of, yeah, not consensual blood farms.
[UNKNOWN]: That's right.
[UNKNOWN]: I love, you know, Sandra Day, you know, Martha Stewart, Sandra Day, Sandra D. Sorry.
[UNKNOWN]: Sandra Lee, oh, my God.
[UNKNOWN]: I couldn't get there.
[UNKNOWN]: Sandra Lee, Sandra Lee, I've been watching her make cocktail lately.
[UNKNOWN]: Have you, have you done that?
[UNKNOWN]: No, I don't know her.
[UNKNOWN]: Oh, you have to look it up.
[UNKNOWN]: she was a 90s and early 2000s like cooking show host and she would make these cocktails and just like dump half a bottle of vodka into it and like it was absolutely insane.
[UNKNOWN]: He's like, she goes, my Aunt Doreen really love this coffee and it was a third coffee, a third some kind of liquor and a third vodka.
[UNKNOWN]: And right after that, we'll start is going to feed on her and be so good.
[UNKNOWN]: All right, well, let's get back to the stutter.
[UNKNOWN]: We'll start.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, you go ahead.
[UNKNOWN]: No, you go ahead.
[UNKNOWN]: No, after you.
[UNKNOWN]: All right.
[UNKNOWN]: Let's stop.
[UNKNOWN]: Finally, admits he's stuttered from 9 to 29.
[UNKNOWN]: At 9, he saw four girls burned at the stake for witchcraft, even remembering their names.
[UNKNOWN]: At 29, he recounts with family friend Nicholas Delongfall, who became, he recounts his meeting with family friend Nicholas Delongfall, who became his first love.
[UNKNOWN]: They share a romance and let's stop using French tongue twisters to get over his stutter as the French revolution begins to boil in the background.
[UNKNOWN]: I love to that I meant to look up the I don't think the names of the witches really mean anything but um obviously he's like yeah two of them are definitely witches.
[UNKNOWN]: I thought it was gonna be like me fair all of a sudden but no no no no because they're in France.
[UNKNOWN]: Right, but you know, you can have some immigration.
[UNKNOWN]: I did write reconnect only because I thought that they had met in childhood and then reconnect.
[UNKNOWN]: Right, reconnect.
[UNKNOWN]: I didn't see that.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: It's true.
[UNKNOWN]: They were childhood friends.
[UNKNOWN]: Actually, in the book, Nikki went to that witch thing with him.
[UNKNOWN]: Right.
[UNKNOWN]: I remember that.
[UNKNOWN]: And Nikki really didn't handle it well here, like had a total breakdown about it.
[UNKNOWN]: And let's stop.
[UNKNOWN]: I mean, while stiff up her lip, but develops a stutter, so at least in the show version develops a stutter.
[UNKNOWN]: That's what mom's did back in the day before Lego and Peppa Pig.
[UNKNOWN]: What's your looking at Gabriella there?
[UNKNOWN]: Um, because he would look into the side when he had, I think he might have slid his eyes to the side a bit and she definitely reacted.
[UNKNOWN]: So this is one of the moments where I'm like that seems to be have a bit of real out loud exchange because she reacted to it and granted she can hear she can speak telepathically with Daniel, but she can't do that with let's stop because it's higher fledgling.
[UNKNOWN]: Right.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, um, I think that was the first time she felt like a little bit called out by him.
[UNKNOWN]: Because he's he's so subservient to her normally.
[UNKNOWN]: He often just like is very much unwilling to criticize her.
[UNKNOWN]: And this feels like a breaking, uh, just a small break that we haven't seen before.
[UNKNOWN]: Yep.
[UNKNOWN]: We know what's that.
[UNKNOWN]: Let's watch it.
[UNKNOWN]: It's see if it widens.
[UNKNOWN]: and the song about Nicholas or Nicola, is he, he was saying?
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, Nicky is what Nicky.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, let's let's say Nicky so that I don't have to put your friends for Jordan.
[UNKNOWN]: Nicky, his song is, why do I have to feel?
[UNKNOWN]: Well, I mean, oh, yeah, we'll talk about when we get to like the devastating part of this, but my god is also made me like Gabrielle's one of my favorite characters in the book, but those aspects of Gabrielle's character are not
[UNKNOWN]: present in the show so much like the part where she's was like I'm going to start wearing men's clothing and do my whatever the hell I want She does whatever the hell she wants and I think she's an interesting character in the show, but she's also I just spies her in the show Like in a way that I think is good writing, but just seeing her in these flashbacks with Nikki make me despise her more
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, I empathize more with her in the book.
[UNKNOWN]: I mean, I've read a lot of her in the book because I'm mostly done with the Vampire Listot book.
[UNKNOWN]: And I definitely liked her a lot more in the book.
[UNKNOWN]: It just, just as a person, not necessarily as a character.
[UNKNOWN]: You don't even mean, but I think part of that is just spending more time with her when she was in a vulnerable state and when she was trying to just raise her children and protect the start from the cruelty of his family.
[UNKNOWN]: Like, that was much more
[UNKNOWN]: uh... present in the book where is in the show you you kind of yada yada over that and most of it pretty much every time you see her is being cruel somebody hmm
[UNKNOWN]: Maybe we will see more of her backstory that makes her a more sympathetic version, but yeah, we see her Like one of the first things we see the people keep talking about online was an episode two where she's just messing with the delivery droid She's just like playing with it casually.
[UNKNOWN]: She talks to list up and people are like that's so emblematic of who she is.
[UNKNOWN]: She's just there to Amuse herself and if it involves cruelty, how fun?
[UNKNOWN]: Right.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: That's a whole story.
[UNKNOWN]: You, you know, you was saying about let's start.
[UNKNOWN]: He's trying to remember his own cruelty.
[UNKNOWN]: Right.
[UNKNOWN]: Remember his own cruelty and remember the cruelty done to him.
[UNKNOWN]: And he carries his music box to New Orleans.
[UNKNOWN]: And of course he goes, you know, first love not a great love in Daniels like you brought on music box from France to New Orleans because of, you know, and you buried yourself for
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, he's so good at getting to the heart of the bullshit.
[UNKNOWN]: Mm-hmm.
[UNKNOWN]: He is.
[UNKNOWN]: I just can't.
[UNKNOWN]: All right.
[UNKNOWN]: So I'll save it for inside the coffin.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, but yeah, I think this is also a list of like, I do think he loved Nikki.
[UNKNOWN]: I think what he said in this episode is true that when he said those things at the time, he meant it.
[UNKNOWN]: But also, like in the book, you get to hear more about, you know, when you turn someone, you get a glimpse inside your mind.
[UNKNOWN]: And when he, obviously, this is our after Nikki had already been through some stuff.
[UNKNOWN]: But when he got a glimpse inside, Nikki's mind, he's like, oh, shit.
[UNKNOWN]: Oh, no, this is going to be bad.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: It's, you know, I found Nicky a lot more annoying in the book.
[UNKNOWN]: I think because we spend more time with his whining.
[UNKNOWN]: Right.
[UNKNOWN]: And I'm glad that they truncated this in the show because I did not want to dwell on that.
[UNKNOWN]: right right and i know there's a lot of niki stat shippers who there were one of the most popular uh... parings and i'm sure they feel they wish that there were more and maybe there will be but yeah yeah it's just it's it's sad but in a way like i just you know i can't possibly want to start to end up with him i wanted to end up with louie in the first place but also it's just
[UNKNOWN]: the way the relationship is talked about.
[UNKNOWN]: It's kind of is what he needed at the time to break with his past, but it wasn't what he needed for the future.
[UNKNOWN]: And that doesn't mean that Nicky should have had to die, but.
[UNKNOWN]: He got over a stutter.
[UNKNOWN]: We know that, and having gotten over his stutter, let's start starting acting on stage at Ronan's feeder.
[UNKNOWN]: We turn to Lestot's song about Magnus's abuser, according to Daniel, and his liberator, according to Lestot.
[UNKNOWN]: We see a romanticized retelling as a music video of Magnus stalking and his capture of Lestat with Lestat's song overhead over lead rather.
[UNKNOWN]: At the end, we see Magnus gently turn Lestat.
[UNKNOWN]: Gabriela exits her bathroom rendezvous with check stop.
[UNKNOWN]: Lestat taunts Daniel with our mind.
[UNKNOWN]: Oh, you're absent but very much around father.
[UNKNOWN]: That's like, no, you're the one with daddy issues son of a month.
[UNKNOWN]: So good.
[UNKNOWN]: Does that even sound like me, Dan?
[UNKNOWN]: And he's like, yeah, like a melodramatic nonsense.
[UNKNOWN]: But, oh man, Gabriela, this is, yeah, she was, like, so she's clearly trying to make listot jealous with, like, as Daniel put it, the Kill Balsa from Crafty.
[UNKNOWN]: Crafty as in Craft Services table for anyone who doesn't know.
[UNKNOWN]: Oh, I didn't know that.
[UNKNOWN]: That's funny.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: So to be clear, that is Sam Reed.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, it is.
[UNKNOWN]: Okay, I'm just double checking because doing a great job acting like you're completely different person.
[UNKNOWN]: And the makeup is also incredible too.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, in the bad way.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: Although people were been complaining about other wigs, but I think I'm only really bothered by the one intentionally bad week, but it's supposed to be like that.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, and the thing is that kills me about that scene is Gabriella got what she want and smiles about it when the stat just casually blows Yarda across the room.
[UNKNOWN]: Nope, that's exactly what she wanted.
[UNKNOWN]: She does not care.
[UNKNOWN]: No, well, yeah, she does care.
[UNKNOWN]: She wants us to be upset about it.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, you don't, I mean.
[UNKNOWN]: Like she does not care for Yarda.
[UNKNOWN]: I really like, yeah, I really like him getting blown across the room.
[UNKNOWN]: And I like how loud she wants.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, very profound.
[UNKNOWN]: The poor PA that was sent, like, yes, human PA, go tell this vampire and guy to quiet it down.
[UNKNOWN]: Maybe throws a passion, just just going to rupt a predator, just, you know, this apex predator creature from meeting.
[UNKNOWN]: Yes, no, go do that.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: Good luck.
[UNKNOWN]: Oh, the shit jobs you get when you start up.
[UNKNOWN]: That's right.
[UNKNOWN]: I mean, but it's clear.
[UNKNOWN]: I mean, I'm a muse that like everyone's like, oh, so fear.
[UNKNOWN]: And then also just like in the background, not commented on under voiceover about Lostock's personal shit, we see that there's a professional cleanup crew that comes and deals with the dead bodies.
[UNKNOWN]: They get just shows that Lostock is actually he is, um,
[UNKNOWN]: Very privileged, he's in a very privileged position where he can literally get away with murder and other people will just clean it up for him both physically and legally.
[UNKNOWN]: Right.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: No more of that backyard incinerator, right?
[UNKNOWN]: With.
[UNKNOWN]: Right.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, he can just do whatever he wants.
[UNKNOWN]: And I don't know that that's I think we're seeing group.
[UNKNOWN]: I think it's good that Daniel's being hard on him.
[UNKNOWN]: Even though I've Daniel was not being his best self-necessary in the scene either.
[UNKNOWN]: But yeah, let's start is having fewer and fewer consequences in a way.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, definitely.
[UNKNOWN]: Well back to Nicky after that brief interruption.
[UNKNOWN]: I'm going to tell us about that.
[UNKNOWN]: Lestat tells of how he hid his nature from Nikki, but is not believed.
[UNKNOWN]: Nikki sees that he and Gabriella have been changed and begs for the change himself.
[UNKNOWN]: Gabriella cautioned Lestat against it, but Lestat turns Nikki anyway.
[UNKNOWN]: When Daniel sees his on Lestat's mother, he lies and says she is dead.
[UNKNOWN]: Lestat also adds that he thinks the great conversion is fucking stupid.
[UNKNOWN]: but returns to his memories of Nikki, who goes mad as a vampire and acts like a maniac while performing at the theater.
[UNKNOWN]: Our mom didn't list that agreed to put Nikki on leave and Nikki responds by cutting his hand off and throwing it in the fire, just totally normal response.
[UNKNOWN]: Gabriela leaves the room and Lestat says goodbye to Nikki as well.
[UNKNOWN]: I've heard that she goes back to coffin.
[UNKNOWN]: That's where you say?
[UNKNOWN]: All right, back to call.
[UNKNOWN]: So she leaves them.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, and Lestat says goodbye to Nikki as her mom throws him in the fire and puts a poker through him to pin him in there to do this.
[UNKNOWN]: Daniel is thrilled at all of these revelations he got on tape, but it turns out the last half hour was all telepathic.
[UNKNOWN]: Big Oof Daniel.
[UNKNOWN]: Big Oof always check that the recording light is on.
[UNKNOWN]: No.
[UNKNOWN]: I don't know how you would check for that, right?
[UNKNOWN]: Like the sod was just mind-fucking and basically.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, well, this is where I was like really trying to monitor what was real or what was not, because so I assume anything seen on the footage is real, and they did such a good job at layering in like the responses of people that went on a first watch as I go there responding to what they're saying.
[UNKNOWN]: And on the second watch, I was like the responding to the fact that these two vampires are just sitting there staring at each other with so the reactions work for both.
[UNKNOWN]: But then there
[UNKNOWN]: like interludes where they interact with other people and that's when you catch glimpses on the camera like he calls Christina over to intervene and him asking questions about the stutter or you know um and then I love how she gets like mom energy like did you agree did you agree that that she's a better mother than Gabriella I know
[UNKNOWN]: Hello, you sleepin' with her too, apparently.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, and then Dan is asking people to pull up songs, and that seems real, because they respond, like the Gabriella seems to respond to the mother questioning thing, the great conversion question was in camera, because Gabriella of course prompted him to do that.
[UNKNOWN]: And also that we saw in the playback, the one thing that survived is that get out of my eyeline thing.
[UNKNOWN]: And I didn't notice until my rewatch,
[UNKNOWN]: that he was hallucinating Nicky standing there instead of this other random PA, and that's why he barked at him.
[UNKNOWN]: Hmm, I didn't realize that either, so thank you for pulling that in there.
[UNKNOWN]: That's a good catch.
[UNKNOWN]: I was like, why was that bothered him so much?
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, no, he's selling a key standing there, um, but then yeah, he says this, this is very intriguing about how their relationships going to develop the rest of the season.
[UNKNOWN]: He says this stunt that he performed, he pulled seated a hate for me inside of Daniel there to be watered in the sunlight lay later, and then of course serving content has its consequences.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, of course.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, he's got a he's got a one on the t-shirt.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, put it on a t-shirt.
[UNKNOWN]: That's really fun.
[UNKNOWN]: I mean, Daniel is also not like he's worrying and some like at the end when the starts really breaking down and he thinks he's getting all this on recording his smiling and nodding like, yes, there was some evil looking shit.
[UNKNOWN]: I think he was just like he's trained for this for his whole career, right?
[UNKNOWN]: Like this is the meat of of what he's getting.
[UNKNOWN]: This is this is what he wanted from Louis and he got Louis on audio, but he's got
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: He's taken it to cotton or not.
[UNKNOWN]: I guess for now we know why it's this doc is never getting finished.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, I think that's right.
[UNKNOWN]: Um, although the stat does say something real to him on the way out, he says, we tried booking something called the Ryan Center in Kingston, Rhode Island, 8,000 seats.
[UNKNOWN]: I thought this deep in we'd be able to fill it.
[UNKNOWN]: We sold 2,500, including a papering service.
[UNKNOWN]: Unlike your last vampire, there are no delusions here.
[UNKNOWN]: Arturists, this tour, my ego.
[UNKNOWN]: And still, it's not what I hunt.
[UNKNOWN]: Never said, and give you anything.
[UNKNOWN]: So I think this last part is what
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, this has been a hit to my ego, this door.
[UNKNOWN]: So papering, papering services is what, it's inexpensive, I'm looking it up, inexpensive or free tickets to fill up theater theaters, right?
[UNKNOWN]: That's right.
[UNKNOWN]: Basically what it is, is trying to like pump the numbers.
[UNKNOWN]: I mean, why Rhode Island?
[UNKNOWN]: I guess it's close enough to New York, but you would think you would want a big city if you're going to try to get numbers.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: I don't know.
[UNKNOWN]: Oh yeah, I mean it is interesting that after this confrontation Lestot says no to Gabriella for the first time she's like no don't want to go out and play Yeah, I think he was really not happy with her that day.
[UNKNOWN]: The laughing at him.
[UNKNOWN]: I think you know I think she may have even meant it as like laughing with him at Daniel, but he feeling was laughing at him
[UNKNOWN]: Well, but she was also like any time he showed any slight chink of weakness.
[UNKNOWN]: She would give this look like, oh no, judgmental look.
[UNKNOWN]: And I also think that like, she sees this whole thing as this is performative nonsense at herself because she sees any interaction with humans of a woman as useless.
[UNKNOWN]: I mean, and I think also to him comparing, you know, he's talking about, we'll talk about Magnus separately in a moment, but he's talking about Nikki and Magnus, and one of which, you know, yeah, we'll get back to Magnus, but he's probably thinking of her more like he's like, oh wait, did she, is she also abusing me, but then on the other hand, I said I was most upset with her in these flashbacks with Nikki, which
[UNKNOWN]: First of all, I loved their meet-cute and how he seems, he seemed like a different person, so in certain and then the cut before the sex scene with this goes where you think it goes, makes me bark out laughter.
[UNKNOWN]: That was really good.
[UNKNOWN]: It's true.
[UNKNOWN]: We don't need to see it.
[UNKNOWN]: We understand.
[UNKNOWN]: But yeah, I like in the book, we get more like the like the list that he's drawn to Nicky because they're both rejecting the norms of their upbringing, you know, that Nicky chose the violin over law.
[UNKNOWN]: Also fantastic subversion of the whole like, oh, piss off, you know, and you think she's going to go away.
[UNKNOWN]: She takes out her gun and she's like, get the hell out of my alley.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: Um, and Nikki, like, we get this tease about his father, but his father kept threatening to break his hands, so he would stop playing the violin.
[UNKNOWN]: So it's interesting, like, that's probably what's sticking in Nikki's hands, head, when he cuts off his own hands, which I'll say in the books.
[UNKNOWN]: our mom cuts off his hands just like just like not in a malicious way per se but just to get him to he's like going running around the streets of Paris just killing people indiscriminately and like playing violin wildly in the middle of the night in our moms just like chill and stop with the violin so he cuts off his hands.
[UNKNOWN]: Well if anyone is in their car or I don't want
[UNKNOWN]: No, we'll get to, okay, so we've seen the worst of our Mond, I think from this show so far, like we got a reminder that in season two, our Mond's oven kidnapped Nikki and tormented him by feeding on him until the start burst in and saved him.
[UNKNOWN]: but then we see here the sort of there they're kind of rehabilitating our monverse is the books here a little bit so we we see of course niki in the books he's the one who names the tahts were the vumpier and he's the one who's like oh we're gonna do this thing where we have an audience member or whatever a secret person who we kill on stage and people don't realize that's all his idea and let's not say it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's
[UNKNOWN]: Um, and let him have ownership of the theater because he is more guilt toward than love toward him in a way.
[UNKNOWN]: But then we see, you know, we have this love story with our mind and let's stop.
[UNKNOWN]: What do you think of that based on what you've seen of it in the show or read in the books?
[UNKNOWN]: they have not sold me on it.
[UNKNOWN]: No, they have not sold me on it, especially be I mean in luck unless that might do this later even in the book kind of version of um you know when he's like I could understand Santiago, but our mind in that in that you know our favorite conversation.
[UNKNOWN]: I bet.
[UNKNOWN]: But yeah, no, I just don't I don't see the chemistry.
[UNKNOWN]: They don't seem to like each other very much even when they're talking like I just Yeah, our mom is definitely into what I thought was interesting.
[UNKNOWN]: We had a re-contactualization of this scene where Our mom said in season two in his version.
[UNKNOWN]: It's him and Lestad sitting in the balcony making out and and he says
[UNKNOWN]: Lestot's version is he's sticking up for Nicky.
[UNKNOWN]: He's like he'll find his way and our mom's like, I believe you.
[UNKNOWN]: I love you, Lestot.
[UNKNOWN]: It must start like Christ.
[UNKNOWN]: It's so good.
[UNKNOWN]: Cringe.
[UNKNOWN]: There's a lot of cringing in this episode.
[UNKNOWN]: No.
[UNKNOWN]: Which do we think is more true?
[UNKNOWN]: Which version?
[UNKNOWN]: I don't know because I think if Lestot is with someone he generally is a love bomber.
[UNKNOWN]: But it depends on the time of like where they are in that relationship.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: And we literally have Nikki still there.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: I think that's part of what's making Nikki insane, right?
[UNKNOWN]: Like he's joined Lestot into, you know, immortality and he doesn't even have Lestot.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: I do like the exchange between them, though, you're the actor manager, manage your his maker.
[UNKNOWN]: Make him.
[UNKNOWN]: That was so good, yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: But they kind of, I don't know, so in the books, the status leaves, he's the one who goes away and he just leaves our mind and the rest of the covenant deal with it and in that version, Nikki is just deteriorates until he eventually himself walks into a fire.
[UNKNOWN]: And here, we have this version where, but again, our man has cut off his hand.
[UNKNOWN]: So obviously, like, let's not hold some blame toward our man for this, but he also ran away from it.
[UNKNOWN]: And here, it's similar in that he kind of forces our man to do the thing that he himself secretly thinks needs to happen, but can't bring himself to do, which is to kill Nikki.
[UNKNOWN]: And he stands there by it, but he can still say, oh, it was our mom's hand that did it, but he didn't stop it.
[UNKNOWN]: Hmm, yeah, he didn't stop it.
[UNKNOWN]: I mean, neither of them did it, but I don't blame our mom here.
[UNKNOWN]: This is, this was a mercy killing.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: I mean, I think it's complicated.
[UNKNOWN]: I think he was jealous too, but I think it was also, like, you could see in these scenes, Gabrielle is laughing at everything going on with Nikki and her mom does looks seriously concerned.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: And, you know, in our mom's defense in Gabriella's defense, Gabriella warned him.
[UNKNOWN]: He's like, look, she goes, look, this guy is clearly not in his right mind, bringing him into immortality is not a good idea.
[UNKNOWN]: He's already imploding, don't give him extra power.
[UNKNOWN]: I think that was absolutely right.
[UNKNOWN]: Like, that was one of Gabriella's better decisions.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: Um, I have to bring up two theories related to Niki.
[UNKNOWN]: One's a fan theory that other people are talking about and one is an unleash a theory.
[UNKNOWN]: So the fan theory, other people are talking about is there are lots of people I've seen.
[UNKNOWN]: The Niki stock shippers are comparing Alex from the band to Niki.
[UNKNOWN]: because of similar looks and playing stringed instruments and stuff.
[UNKNOWN]: My thing with that is I think the big difference is, as Nikki says in this episode, he plays the son of a tailor whereas let's start genuinely thinks that Alex is very talented.
[UNKNOWN]: Hmm, yeah, that is really interesting.
[UNKNOWN]: Maybe Lissade is not the best judge of a musician's talent
[UNKNOWN]: Um, I mean, I think I think we should take that a face value that Alex is a better musician than Nikki, but I don't know.
[UNKNOWN]: I think I guess people hope that Nikki is reincarnated in Dallas or something.
[UNKNOWN]: Well, but let's start was super amazed by Nikki at first, right?
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, because he said he didn't know with the time.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, that's fair.
[UNKNOWN]: That's fair.
[UNKNOWN]: Good music was, yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: Okay.
[UNKNOWN]: All right.
[UNKNOWN]: Okay.
[UNKNOWN]: My other.
[UNKNOWN]: fan theory is is that in the book, our mom's sense is violent to list out after Nicky dies that doesn't have to happen in this case because he was there is that Nicky's violent list out plays on the stage in black licorice.
[UNKNOWN]: Ooh, good question.
[UNKNOWN]: I feel like do you think that Nicky had a strut of areas?
[UNKNOWN]: I mean, if it's book agurity, sure did.
[UNKNOWN]: Oh, really, you are you listen because we did guitars last time and you were you didn't know much about guitars, but no, you know why you're with the stratavarius lore.
[UNKNOWN]: Um, you know, why I'm familiar with the Stradivarius lore because not only does Anne Rice talk about it in these books, but she has another standalone book, uh, ghost story, time travel ghost story called The Violin and Stradivarius plays a central role in that, so that is if you, you're like name one type of violin, I'm like Stradivarius and it's Anne Rice is full.
[UNKNOWN]: yeah uh... that's funny that's funny that and rice taught you about it uh... i actually play the violin and uh... in high school until i said it quit to do other things uh... but yeah now if it for since you know i'll just say for the listener of the home i just had to look up the year uh... but the the last true stratabarius is for instance looks like it was uh... in seventeen thirty seven it was built and these are violins that like nobody knows why there is good as they are
[UNKNOWN]: Like nobody has figured out how to make a violin as good as these violins.
[UNKNOWN]: This one dude, Antonio, Strativari, just knew how to make violins, and there it looks like there's about 600 left today that have survived out of the about 1100 instruments.
[UNKNOWN]: Alright, well, this is why Anne Rice loves the stratavarius.
[UNKNOWN]: She keeps bringing them up.
[UNKNOWN]: That is a cool real world lore bit.
[UNKNOWN]: You know what I mean?
[UNKNOWN]: Like this idea of instruments that are like a lost art.
[UNKNOWN]: People love, people love lost knowledge.
[UNKNOWN]: That's why these like alternative medicine things always blow up is because people are like, oh, the lost knowledge of the age.
[UNKNOWN]: It's near like, I'm crying, but people are dying, like really early back then.
[UNKNOWN]: wonderful scenes.
[UNKNOWN]: I mean the Nicky stuff was making me so sad and then him faking out Daniel was a great way to like reset us for the next scene.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, agreed.
[UNKNOWN]: Shall we take another break before we get into the darker part of the episode?
[UNKNOWN]: The beautiful parts, yes.
[UNKNOWN]: Welcome back, like Magnus we've returned.
[UNKNOWN]: Dooling traumas.
[UNKNOWN]: You want to read one and I'll read the other.
[UNKNOWN]: Okay, so we've got two intertwined scenes.
[UNKNOWN]: First one is Louis O'Wayts Killer in front of a mural reading, our mom told the truth.
[UNKNOWN]: Why did it just funny by the way, he had like, let's stop posters too.
[UNKNOWN]: Anyway, when killer and baby janks get home, Louis pushes janks away and rips out killer spine with Bruce helpless.
[UNKNOWN]: Louis takes out the pages of Claudia's journal he withhold from Daniel.
[UNKNOWN]: He reads the pages to Bruce and lights them on fire, igniting and killing Claudia's abuser.
[UNKNOWN]: He tells Lemuel, he got what he wanted.
[UNKNOWN]: Intertwined is, uh, Lestat drives off and hallucinates Magnus taunting him with the truth of his transformation.
[UNKNOWN]: Lestat remembers the violence and violation of his kidnapping and transformation, even though Magnus asked for Lestat's consent, Lestat never gave it, and shouted no, Magnus transformed Lestat against his will, in Lestat's memories, and Lestat crashes the car in the present.
[UNKNOWN]: So, he sent you included the, let me we'll mention here.
[UNKNOWN]: Just very interesting that Louie in episode two is all like, oh, I'm attracted to him because he doesn't, you know, he's not available emotionally blah blah blah.
[UNKNOWN]: Cut to Louie has a picture of them as his screen backgrounds and says he's coming home in the sense that they must live together.
[UNKNOWN]: It sounds like...
[UNKNOWN]: Louie is a sap right like I just think that's a serial monogamous damn he is a serial monogamous and that's a problem for him because he I mean He has never been outside of a terrible relationship
[UNKNOWN]: I mean, yeah, let me all seem fine, but if he is emotionally distant, I don't know.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, I mean, we'll see.
[UNKNOWN]: I just think that Louie is the kind of person to like, let's have a friends with better-fifth relationship.
[UNKNOWN]: I promise I won't catch feelings, and then it's like, no, immediately.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, it's like, why is your toothbrush here?
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: I mean, this was brutal, right?
[UNKNOWN]: I'll just say the one funny thing that made me laugh.
[UNKNOWN]: Okay.
[UNKNOWN]: We go into the trauma is...
[UNKNOWN]: Let's start calling Magda's father mags, that's yeah, yeah, they're just the way like let's start trying to frame this in his head, not only in his storytelling to Daniel and others, but in his own head, he's trying to frame this like, oh look, he's my biggest fan in like, let's talk to you, shirt.
[UNKNOWN]: But so when I watched it most recently, because since it's out now, I've seen like the official release which has the previously on-section, and that reminded me that let's stop in the dungeon in season two.
[UNKNOWN]: He's just kind of like murmuring things about his trauma and one thing he quotes, as he says, ask for it, child, the light is going out of your eyes.
[UNKNOWN]: So that must be the words that Magnus said to him.
[UNKNOWN]: when he was like, no, you forced, let's start to consent basically.
[UNKNOWN]: Let's, you sent or die.
[UNKNOWN]: Right.
[UNKNOWN]: That's pretty bad.
[UNKNOWN]: And then he'd say, no, but he wanted it.
[UNKNOWN]: He asked for it.
[UNKNOWN]: Right.
[UNKNOWN]: Forced to.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: It's a coercive consent doesn't consent.
[UNKNOWN]: And that's what, that's what, let's start.
[UNKNOWN]: I, well, we never really, well, I don't know if this is his like changing it and it is remembering when he's shouting, no, but we never saw him say us in this episode, at least.
[UNKNOWN]: No, yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: Magnus' appearance was shocking to me in a good way, like I had read this part, right?
[UNKNOWN]: Like I had read the transformation.
[UNKNOWN]: So I was prepared for a really spooky-looking guy, and when he came out, I was still like, Jesus Christ.
[UNKNOWN]: The actor.
[UNKNOWN]: I know he's a Canadian actor, David and Atkins, and he looks so familiar to me, and I know like people really like him, but I looked up his stuff, he's been in it, and none of it was ringing a bell, but I definitely know this guy from something, and he was brilliant in that, and obviously make up what's doing a lot of work there, too, but just in selling that sort of like,
[UNKNOWN]: Creepy, Ikki, but also like, I don't want to say charming, but I don't know, there's just like a little silliness on top of it.
[UNKNOWN]: Well, the silliness was really like the music video, right?
[UNKNOWN]: That's where we got the silliness from it.
[UNKNOWN]: And his hallucinations in the car.
[UNKNOWN]: yeah no he but yeah i think the real magnets was just spooky like not charming at all not not not silly at all but this magnets was i mean it was it was an interesting way for let's not to like i think we're seeing let's not deflecting for himself in real time mm-hmm yeah like he's like back inside you got your song you know he just um
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, he thinks he's looking for a way to excise him from himself and and that's why he did this this the song in this music video version of it is just Yeah, trivializing the whole thing and I think it's really interesting that this is one of the first songs that they released before the show even started airing so that
[UNKNOWN]: And I did like we were told one of them was about Magnus and I was like oh it's got to be this one because like because I'm your dog and you're my brave little wolf killer, you know the okay it's got to be about Magnus but basically they gave us a chance to jam out to it before they're like and this is what it's really about it's like oh Oh, I'm a bad person for Jake.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, exactly.
[UNKNOWN]: It is a banger too.
[UNKNOWN]: That's one of the
[UNKNOWN]: I agree.
[UNKNOWN]: Magnus is appearance though.
[UNKNOWN]: I think in the book you didn't even have teeth.
[UNKNOWN]: So here it's almost like porced that he does because yeah, he like just had things, right?
[UNKNOWN]: That was it.
[UNKNOWN]: Mm-hmm.
[UNKNOWN]: Wild.
[UNKNOWN]: I guess you don't need anything else if you're a vampire.
[UNKNOWN]: No, that's true.
[UNKNOWN]: You don't really need to eat.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, but it's just the way they combine, like these, it's three things in a way.
[UNKNOWN]: So it's the Louie reading this Claudia note, so matter of faculty too.
[UNKNOWN]: Like that also made an impression.
[UNKNOWN]: And Bruce is like, what, what, I'm doing it.
[UNKNOWN]: And Bruce is trying to make all these jokes and Louie just keeps going.
[UNKNOWN]: He's like, oh, she crossed out that line and then she wrote, you know.
[UNKNOWN]: and keeps going.
[UNKNOWN]: And that with like the list dots over the top hallucinations that we've been getting used to over the last couple episodes.
[UNKNOWN]: And then list dots actual memories, you know, like he, there's this brilliant smash cut where it looks like Magnus, the hallucination in his car is smashing list dots head into the wheel.
[UNKNOWN]: And then it cuts to the real life where his
[UNKNOWN]: Um, and we get reminded that Lestad was a religious man in origin.
[UNKNOWN]: You know, he's, he's praying because of course, what else would you do in that situation?
[UNKNOWN]: Right.
[UNKNOWN]: And then, of course, Magda smacks him down the same way.
[UNKNOWN]: I mean, that's kind of parallel to Louis smacking down Bruce.
[UNKNOWN]: So I'm like, not, not in the spinal part, but where Bruce is like mocking him.
[UNKNOWN]: So he just smacks his face and just jaws hanging off after that.
[UNKNOWN]: Oh, God.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: A wild.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: What do you think?
[UNKNOWN]: Magnus meant or the Magnus hallucination meant when said we each your soul at the long table 68 courses so far we keep waiting for the bill but the plates keep coming and we ask ourselves when is he going to make an album?
[UNKNOWN]: Who's I mean I guess 68 courses is that I saw someone on Reddit saying they thought like that would be the people that Magnus killed before I'm like
[UNKNOWN]: I don't know, is it the rail we, are we doing the rail we with that mess?
[UNKNOWN]: It could be, I didn't know if it was like that so many times he drank from Lostat and the week he was drinking from him.
[UNKNOWN]: Mm.
[UNKNOWN]: That's a lot.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: So how much do we think we found out Bruce has read the book.
[UNKNOWN]: He has, he went after list.
[UNKNOWN]: I wonder, I mean, partially because of the book, but I wonder also if because he thought someday this might come back and bite him.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, I wonder if that's part of it too.
[UNKNOWN]: Baby
[UNKNOWN]: At the time that she was beat but she is a vampire now or she's still not a vampire.
[UNKNOWN]: No, I think she is a vampire now because I, okay, I'll be honest, I went looking for it and I'm only telling you this because I've confirmed that it is true.
[UNKNOWN]: She Bruce turns her in the books, I'm like, he must have turned her before he died.
[UNKNOWN]: So in my second and third watch is I was paying post attention to that and you can see she has the nails, she has the thing in her eyes and when he carries her into the house when they're coming back from their wedding.
[UNKNOWN]: So I presume that she turned her like at their wedding.
[UNKNOWN]: um and when she's coming back inside she it looks at first like she's like you know giving him a hickey on his neck but I realize no it looks like actually on a second and third what she's drinking from his neck and then for the rest of the scene they carefully never show that side of Bruce's neck and then of course you know when uh Louis kindly rearranges his spine
[UNKNOWN]: Hmm, interesting.
[UNKNOWN]: Baby Janks is still around.
[UNKNOWN]: I wonder if he's going to seek revenge.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, well, especially because like, so there's that poster theory I talked about, the pink and the green posters, her posters on the side of Lista and Louis.
[UNKNOWN]: So at this point, that doesn't seem like that she's going to be on their side.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, I think that's probably right.
[UNKNOWN]: Um, but yeah, I just wanted to talk about for a second just because this has been a topic on our network before about, like, good and less satisfying representations of sexual assault not to say any representation of sexual assault assault is satisfying but just in the sense of does it make the people it's depicting feel seeing and I think.
[UNKNOWN]: This one, you know, the these pages that we saw carefully excise from the diary in season two, the particularly, you know, what's read from quality aside, but also juxtaposing it with list ad.
[UNKNOWN]: The reason it works so well is because
[UNKNOWN]: of the specificity of Claudia's descriptions, just how it touches on really everything, on the gross feelings obviously, like she talks about being packed full and the emptiness, you know, you kind of have to empty yourself out.
[UNKNOWN]: Um, the disgust with yourself if you spend even a second not fighting it with everything if you know you feel like you've given up because you just don't want to fight anymore.
[UNKNOWN]: You just can't fight anymore.
[UNKNOWN]: Um, the, you know, she talks about these moments of.
[UNKNOWN]: playing a role to please the other person, you know, just because I just want to have some peace for a little bit.
[UNKNOWN]: Just keep them happy.
[UNKNOWN]: And just the way, if this person is consistently mistreating you, these moments feel almost like something nice as she says, because it's just it's a momentary relief from the badness.
[UNKNOWN]: And you know, and she also addresses the way that the abuser wins by whatever happens, you know, even if they're killed after this, even after they're gone, they leave this imprint on you on your psyche.
[UNKNOWN]: And you just continue, you still carry that with you, you still feel small, powerless, and fake even or disgusted with yourself, for not
[UNKNOWN]: Being the right kind of victim, everyone expects you to be the right kind of victim in this situation if they haven't experienced it themselves and just so that the layers of mistrust it leaves you with going forward and that would absolutely even though she doesn't have a sexual relationship obviously with Daddy Liu and Uncle Les that's going to affect her relationship with them regardless.
[UNKNOWN]: And of course, Claudia's version, which she went through, that's the worst kind of abuse of relationship.
[UNKNOWN]: You know, it's both physical and emotional.
[UNKNOWN]: It's ongoing.
[UNKNOWN]: But I think that countless people who have experienced some even, you know, much lighter shades of this can feel represented by these words in the way this was handled.
[UNKNOWN]: And then just, you know, putting it back
[UNKNOWN]: we were given to understand that these are his feelings too, and of course they are.
[UNKNOWN]: But in his case this salt is tied to his very transformation into becoming this this version of himself.
[UNKNOWN]: So any moment he enjoys being a vampire is forever tied to this eternal, irrational guilt in self-loathing and disgust that he feels from the way he became
[UNKNOWN]: That is a perfect summation of this, I think.
[UNKNOWN]: I mean, I don't know a better way to put it.
[UNKNOWN]: I'm very impressed with you right now.
[UNKNOWN]: I do, you know, your podcasting is going to go to the charts because, you know, I'm deflecting with humor like, let's stop because I'm my tearing up that was such a beautiful, you know, recounting of it and tying together the two interwoven scenes.
[UNKNOWN]: when I told you before we started recording that I was typing and crying this is the part I was typing.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah I mean it's such a top and like you said this is a subject that we've you know broached before because especially running and or yeah yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: And I do think that this was one of the best, if not the best depiction of it.
[UNKNOWN]: And I've seen, especially on the effect on the victim.
[UNKNOWN]: And the only thing I would add is, I was very satisfied by Bruce's death.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: You know, I mean, just the fact that Louie stood there and coldly recounted what he did, well,
[UNKNOWN]: as vulnerable as Claudia was when he was taking advantage of her, right, breaking his net, bringing his back, making him unable to talk.
[UNKNOWN]: He just says, like, no, you're going to sit there and do that.
[UNKNOWN]: And then using the, I mean, what a beautiful writing to use the pages as kindling for the fire that kills Bruce, I think, in letting Claudia have a piece of that revenge,
[UNKNOWN]: I think that was a perfect end to that arc.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: No wonder he says to Limwell that, yeah, he got what he needed.
[UNKNOWN]: What else could could he do?
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: Because you know Lou we thought about that for a hundred years.
[UNKNOWN]: What would I do if I came across this guy?
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, and I wonder if Bruce has been dreading it for, or if he only, like, I wonder if he just forgot about it until he saw the book?
[UNKNOWN]: or if part of him has thought like maybe this will catch up with me.
[UNKNOWN]: I don't know, has he done it to other people as well?
[UNKNOWN]: That's the question.
[UNKNOWN]: I feel like he has.
[UNKNOWN]: That seemed like a pattern to me.
[UNKNOWN]: I mean, would about Baby Janks, would he about to do that to her?
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, could be.
[UNKNOWN]: Now that he's turned her now, because it seems like he needs a vampire to be able to abuse them to the level that where they won't just die.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: Well, here's, I mean, I'm sure we're going to find out what happens with BabyJank's next, but here's my head cannon.
[UNKNOWN]: We didn't see Rusty yet, right?
[UNKNOWN]: Rust with the impressive pelvic floor.
[UNKNOWN]: Oh, no, I don't think we have.
[UNKNOWN]: So, I don't know.
[UNKNOWN]: It could've been in the house and we just didn't know.
[UNKNOWN]: Right, you know, so my head canon is rust deserved a better cup in any way who respects their pronouns.
[UNKNOWN]: But so my head canon is rust was a way and rust comes back and rescues baby janks and they go and start their own less problematic cup in and they get over the idealizing a fictional version of our modern thing.
[UNKNOWN]: Wasn't rust the one though that said, like, we are the children of the night reborn.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, that's true.
[UNKNOWN]: I'm sorry.
[UNKNOWN]: After that, you don't deserve a cup of it.
[UNKNOWN]: I'm sorry.
[UNKNOWN]: I don't care how cool you are.
[UNKNOWN]: That just negates any level of cool that you've ever garnered.
[UNKNOWN]: Once you've been laughed at in your phase by list out like that, I don't think there's anything to me back.
[UNKNOWN]: I mean, you know, that I'm in our mind apologists, so I have a bit more sympathy for that.
[UNKNOWN]: I was right with Listod.
[UNKNOWN]: I was cracking up what he was laughing in their face about it.
[UNKNOWN]: So there's some loose threads to pick up here.
[UNKNOWN]: Listod returns to the stage and amazes the crowd by floating during a guitar solo as Magnus exits the audience and Nikki's memory watches the show.
[UNKNOWN]: Daniel eats his feelings.
[UNKNOWN]: Baby Jank's mourns her husband.
[UNKNOWN]: Louie goes to the diner where Claudia's look like works, and finally looks around the eyes, and Alex discusses his departure from the band before a certain Gremlin named Arun introduces himself to the support group.
[UNKNOWN]: So Regina, so we've got Claudia Regina, and I guess this is a version that's allowed to age.
[UNKNOWN]: It's somebody who looks enough like her where he feels like he got some closure.
[UNKNOWN]: Do we think that there's, do we think we'll see her again?
[UNKNOWN]: I mean, we know the actress is coming back this season.
[UNKNOWN]: Do we think that there's any supernatural reason why she looks like Claudia, like is reincarnation real?
[UNKNOWN]: I don't think so I hope not.
[UNKNOWN]: I feel like that would feel really although I don't know I from what you tell me about the books like anything can happen at any time Like I feel like Anne Rice at some point was just like shooting a pink ball gun at the page Because everything can happen at any time, but you know I hope that they don't go down the like Claudia's going back.
[UNKNOWN]: I think her death was a huge moment for a lot of characters and needs to stay that way
[UNKNOWN]: But if this is like some reincarnation of her that wouldn't negate her death, she's still died that way.
[UNKNOWN]: Alright, fine.
[UNKNOWN]: Fine.
[UNKNOWN]: We have that, I guess, reincarnation before, but with, like, a, uh, telto's, right, with, uh, with life.
[UNKNOWN]: True.
[UNKNOWN]: That's true.
[UNKNOWN]: So it is in the lower, yeah, in some capacity, yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: Um,
[UNKNOWN]: you and I disagree about the song at the end.
[UNKNOWN]: I thought that this was the perfect song to follow this trauma fest before it, that it was like this sort of hope punk conclusion of this wild ride over an hour, but you were less keen on this song.
[UNKNOWN]: It was just so on the nose, it could have been a little more poetic and not just like...
[UNKNOWN]: you can't fuck your way out of the, and I'm like, okay, all right, you can't drink your way out of, I'm like, just we're just writing down our thoughts as they come to our head now.
[UNKNOWN]: Like there's a way to see the exact same thing in a more poetic way, and this was like, no, no, no, I'm writing down my thoughts as they come to me.
[UNKNOWN]: I like it.
[UNKNOWN]: I don't care.
[UNKNOWN]: Okay, that's fine.
[UNKNOWN]: No, that's very loud.
[UNKNOWN]: They're on to each their own.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: Um, but it is notable.
[UNKNOWN]: So he's seeing people in the audience while he's performing presumably Gabriella, really there.
[UNKNOWN]: Um, Magnus and Nikki obviously, not really there.
[UNKNOWN]: But he sees.
[UNKNOWN]: He sees Magnus and Gabriela leave.
[UNKNOWN]: So does this mean that Lestat has broken the spell of both like the Daniel bully him into an actual breakthrough?
[UNKNOWN]: And or does this mean that Gabriela is letting her hold over Lestat go like does she finally see how bad she is for him?
[UNKNOWN]: I think she's enjoying his crash outs and he's finally not crashing out and so she got bored.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: That's what I think is she's she came back because she's like my fledging and now my my maker called for his mommy and she came right like I think that's the list that she wants She does not want independent listot
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, I mean I can see I don't know.
[UNKNOWN]: I guess I'm because she was a favorite of mine in the book I want to see and in just in general with characters in this show I want to see the softer sides of them so Until we see what happens in the next episode I'm gonna choose to believe that she's like Maybe I should stop messing with him a little for second
[UNKNOWN]: And the fact that Magnus walks out, that's in Leicester's own head.
[UNKNOWN]: So I'm definitely going to see that as him saying, you know, I can let go of that.
[UNKNOWN]: to some degree.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, I think that was a little point right.
[UNKNOWN]: He he said to Magnus before in the phrase like, I, you got your song.
[UNKNOWN]: Right.
[UNKNOWN]: Why aren't you gone?
[UNKNOWN]: And the whole point I think is that Magnus got his song, but this is Lostat song now.
[UNKNOWN]: This is Lostat and his confronting that trauma in that abuse.
[UNKNOWN]: And that's why he's able to finally put him into the into the green room.
[UNKNOWN]: Right.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: Well, I was thinking of like the whole he's like get back in whatever and it was me reminding me of it and Stephen Kinglor.
[UNKNOWN]: We talked about this and welcome to dairy.
[UNKNOWN]: How Dick Haller and the psychic he puts his traumatic memories in a lockbox.
[UNKNOWN]: Right.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: Locked and I said, but that's not as healthy as like seeing them walk out the door.
[UNKNOWN]: Right.
[UNKNOWN]: away from you.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, but then on the other hand, Nicky's in the crowd laughing and I'll avoid anything as spoilery, but it just reminds me of this scene like in the final book where list starts.
[UNKNOWN]: All right, sorry, is it a spoiler for me to say that let's not survive throughout the series that the main character continues?
[UNKNOWN]: Um,
[UNKNOWN]: but he's basically he's in a happy place and he's thinking he wishes he could show Nikki the community side of being a vampire because Nikki just saw only the trauma.
[UNKNOWN]: And so it was like this moment seeing him in the crowd was like, yeah, it was like, he him realizing that, you know, that that, oh, I wish Nikki could be here and have been happy.
[UNKNOWN]: Not that he loves him more than Louis or anything,
[UNKNOWN]: just imagining a nice place for him.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: Nicky's story is really tragic.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: It was a mercy kill from Armand, Philly's in the show, but it's still tragic.
[UNKNOWN]: Like, he didn't...
[UNKNOWN]: If he had never met Lestadi, probably wouldn't way better off.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, maybe.
[UNKNOWN]: Maybe because Lestadi maybe also helped him because he was kind of like lost based on the fact that his father was cruel to him and, you know...
[UNKNOWN]: I bet he would have gone back to that eventually.
[UNKNOWN]: I look, listen to me, listen to me, some of you will succeed in the arts and some of you need backup majors.
[UNKNOWN]: No, short, and it's made clear that Nikki does not have that transcendent talent.
[UNKNOWN]: I think that's like that is a hard lesson that a lot of people need to learn.
[UNKNOWN]: Myself included and that's okay like we're we a lot of us think that we want to go into the arts to career and then find that like hey we find the enjoyment out of that but we also find fulfillment out of other things and that's okay to do music and art as our passions and not just the way we make money.
[UNKNOWN]: Nicky probably should have just gone, you know, take it up Dad's business and then, you know, add all the family gatherings he's playing the violin, that's great.
[UNKNOWN]: But there is also, you know, I've heard so many pieces of advice that I think it's really true is that the only people who should pursue lives in the arts is because you just can't do anything else.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, like look, it takes that sort of delusional drive to actually get there.
[UNKNOWN]: I think that's right a lot of the time and like this is a whole, this is a much, but I also think like, you know, you're the captain of your own ship, if you really want to, I'm joking around, but like if you want to pursue the arts, pursue the arts, you do what you want, I think a lot of people just go into the arts thinking it's like a gateway to fame quickly, and they don't realize that it's a lot of like,
[UNKNOWN]: sleeping on couches and traveling, you know, if you're on tour, you're sleeping on a lot of couches, you know, you're barely scraping by a lot of the time.
[UNKNOWN]: It's not not great money, so, you know, I think people just need to be realistic with themselves.
[UNKNOWN]: What am I willing to do?
[UNKNOWN]: They need to ask themselves.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, we're leaning into the delusion low-stat style.
[UNKNOWN]: Yep.
[UNKNOWN]: Um, what do we, how do we think about Daniel's place at the end of the episode where we, we see him on the hunt and then he, he looks up and it's like, I just keep thinking the theme is being thrown up around him are trans, transformational trauma, which I think we see in a way like he's become a killer and vampire loneliness.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, um, Daniel's crush now.
[UNKNOWN]: I mean, I too would be really upset if I just thought I did the work of my career and then it was just a psychic vision by a troll.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, yeah He's not going to can He's not going to can poor Daniel Okay, so there's only one non-spoke book spoiler thing we haven't talked about which is that that AA meeting
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: I'm the vampire on my daddy vampire grew me into a little bitch.
[UNKNOWN]: That's such a good scene.
[UNKNOWN]: I still think about that once a week.
[UNKNOWN]: I feel bad in this scene for Alex that he's having.
[UNKNOWN]: He's like, my band is out there actually doing the best possible thing.
[UNKNOWN]: And I'm in Monroe, Ohio, you know, doing AA because like, I don't like that I've been traveling around with the guy who kills people every day.
[UNKNOWN]: I'm in a row, I, I, oh, I have no offense.
[UNKNOWN]: You know, I've had some.
[UNKNOWN]: He was good with that.
[UNKNOWN]: But considering, like, how middle of nowhere it is, it's can't be an accident that our mom is in the same AA meeting.
[UNKNOWN]: No, our mom saw him out.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, no, absolutely.
[UNKNOWN]: Why?
[UNKNOWN]: What's his game?
[UNKNOWN]: And what is he going to say his addiction is, um, like, is he addicted to the drama?
[UNKNOWN]: is he addicted to he's addicted to love but i don't know he's gonna say that he's addicted to blood obviously i didn't he can't say that would you know all vampires or blood addicts and he's he maybe he'll say like i'm addicted to the bottle and like leave it at that um... you know it did they explicitly say it was a.a. probably not right that's probably a trade marked
[UNKNOWN]: Oh, me, I'm not sure, yeah, I didn't really know that, yeah, but some sort of addiction meeting.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, I ask because AA is an explicitly religious program, and Armand started in a cult.
[UNKNOWN]: It's a religious cult.
[UNKNOWN]: Has satanic cult?
[UNKNOWN]: Right, kind of the opposite, but interesting if he ends up back here.
[UNKNOWN]: But it's also interesting that he gives, he could have just made up a new fake name, you know, a good one, I'm Anthony or whatever, but he gives the first name he knows himself by a new himself by which is Arun, which is he says, you know, he said in season two, as far as he knows, is the name his parents gave him before they sold him off into slavery.
[UNKNOWN]: So it's very interesting, he's reclaiming in a way, at least says it's fake persona, this part of his life, that I wonder if our mind, like Lestat, is going to get something out of some accidental therapy, where he thinks he's fucking around, but he's actually finding out.
[UNKNOWN]: That would be, I would love that to you.
[UNKNOWN]: Where he's, he's just actually getting camaraderie and he's like, are you guys really nice?
[UNKNOWN]: actually really you've needed this for like a millennia.
[UNKNOWN]: I mean, sorry, like, you know, I'm exaggerating.
[UNKNOWN]: I'm sorry guys, I really need to this wire your tears red.
[UNKNOWN]: Oh man.
[UNKNOWN]: Well great episode.
[UNKNOWN]: Any other final thoughts?
[UNKNOWN]: Uh, not until we get to the inside the coffin books spoiler section.
[UNKNOWN]: But yeah, just the episode itself, I think we've sung it.
[UNKNOWN]: It's praises, even the last song.
[UNKNOWN]: Um, I think it was an absolute work of art and, you know, I feel this way similarly but for different reasons as I did with the episode four of Wheel of Time last year.
[UNKNOWN]: It's like, this is going to be an episode that's going to be very difficult to beat for episode of the year.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, well, let's hope it doesn't meet the same fate as the Wheel of Time.
[UNKNOWN]: But otherwise, I think it's doing well.
[UNKNOWN]: Tell all your friends to watch.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, I think it's growing.
[UNKNOWN]: I think it's growing.
[UNKNOWN]: It's weird because I've mentioned the show to people in real life.
[UNKNOWN]: And I don't hear a lot of people recognizing it.
[UNKNOWN]: Hmm.
[UNKNOWN]: And I wish that more people are watching it because it is just so good.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: I think having the first two seasons on Netflix has helped more people be able to see it.
[UNKNOWN]: So I hope, I mean, I think this has got to be, it is, I am glad that it's on AMC in a way, just because it is a smaller network that's, you know, they're the walking dead IPs, kind of puttering out the breaking bad IPs, kind of puttering out.
[UNKNOWN]: And this is something that really can keep them afloat.
[UNKNOWN]: So they're going to,
[UNKNOWN]: hopefully put more resources into it and also just the fact that they're a smaller streamer, I think they at the end of the day give Rollin and his team more leeway than say Netflix would in terms of the creativity and the confrontational material and all of that.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: No more telemaskin.
[UNKNOWN]: Hmm, I'm not going to be with it.
[UNKNOWN]: It wasn't great, but I mean, I love, I want the show to continue with the same story, but better plotting.
[UNKNOWN]: I just don't understand why they are operating at this high-of-a-level out-and-one show and just cannot get there on the other shows.
[UNKNOWN]: I know it's a different showrunner, but like, it means can we look at the showrunner and pick the other showrunners then?
[UNKNOWN]: I know, right now, that's what I keep saying.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, there is a producer who's in charge of them all, but I think that he should really
[UNKNOWN]: Alright, well, don't forget to stick around after the credits for the book's boiler section.
[UNKNOWN]: That will be inside the coffin.
[UNKNOWN]: But for now, let's just talk about the, what's going on in the warhouse feed?
[UNKNOWN]: You're doing house of the dragon?
[UNKNOWN]: Yes, so starting this week, House of the Dragon weekly coverage.
[UNKNOWN]: I'm doing the first two weeks with Jean and then David's picking back up the reins when he's back on the mics after that in July because silo on the separate feed will shift dust feed.
[UNKNOWN]: Silo starts July 3rd.
[UNKNOWN]: So Luke and I are already starting to wake up screeners and we're recording our episodes so they can drop on the days they drop on Apple.
[UNKNOWN]: I think you have the best deal on house of the dragon because you get to watch the cool battles probably.
[UNKNOWN]: Just because we had led up to that at the end of the lesson.
[UNKNOWN]: We don't have screeners on that, so I'm not just going on anything just based on based on where we were leading up to it soon because it's going to be a big battle the first couple.
[UNKNOWN]: I'm the trailer, see you.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, but after that, I'm like, there's a reason that I didn't want to cover this season.
[UNKNOWN]: I mean, you know, I think it'll be entertaining.
[UNKNOWN]: So I'm going to watch I'll be watching and I'll probably send in some voicemails.
[UNKNOWN]: I was maybe we'll see how the season goes but maybe we want to do like a bookbitch and special at some point or something.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, maybe I've also forgotten what happens in the book because I didn't I didn't do my new my usual like book binge prior to this.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, no, I mean I have I'm behind on it because you know I've been giving precedents to this show and to silo and stuff but I have been
[UNKNOWN]: Nice.
[UNKNOWN]: Oh, what else we have?
[UNKNOWN]: I just did a so-moorily in-storey.
[UNKNOWN]: That was a lot of fun.
[UNKNOWN]: And that was on Torin Torin Bar.
[UNKNOWN]: It's the second part of that.
[UNKNOWN]: And that was with Marilyn.
[UNKNOWN]: Now, I also recorded another Submarline story for next month, very exciting with Deney from Captain Spod.
[UNKNOWN]: So, stick around for that.
[UNKNOWN]: And Marilyn was on that too.
[UNKNOWN]: Marilyn has joined me as permanent co-hosts of Submarline stories, I should say, till the end of the summer early in here.
[UNKNOWN]: And then you just did Widow's Bay.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: Mm-hmm.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, just did the season wrap.
[UNKNOWN]: So if you're a fan of this show, you should definitely check out that show.
[UNKNOWN]: It's less.
[UNKNOWN]: It's lighter, but it's still so good.
[UNKNOWN]: So funny and scary and great characters.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: Agreed.
[UNKNOWN]: Really great.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: Supergirls coming up next week and then we can stop.
[UNKNOWN]: We don't have to talk about the rest of July.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: We're going to have to stop ourselves at a certain point because otherwise we're going to be here all day.
[UNKNOWN]: I might join you for Supergirls.
[UNKNOWN]: We'll say, I've got to see if I've made it in the theater.
[UNKNOWN]: But I'm looking forward to that one.
[UNKNOWN]: I really like the Superman movie.
[UNKNOWN]: John's taking the lead on the notes for that one.
[UNKNOWN]: Nice.
[UNKNOWN]: I should mention we're starting a cosmic corner July 31st.
[UNKNOWN]: So that is first episodes already like prepped and scheduled on the feeds.
[UNKNOWN]: And I want to say I'm on July 31st.
[UNKNOWN]: You don't have to read anything ahead that's going to be the preview that tells you what we're reading in the first book is going to be Ms. Board in the final empire.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, a few chapters a week.
[UNKNOWN]: It's going to be a really fun ride and video too.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: And what else?
[UNKNOWN]: I'm actually interviewing with with Richard and I are going to interview this professor about metallurgy and how it interacts with the magic system.
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[UNKNOWN]: Alicia, what'd you got from me this week?
[UNKNOWN]: Um, so we do have that voice mail from Cory, but real quick, before we get into that, uh, since I brought it up, the books six are Mond, thing that he does.
[UNKNOWN]: I just, if for anyone who does it, remember, and I, before I started like, you know, I can start getting back into the books, like I said, when the show started airing, um, I misremember this is being part of the first book, but it's, it's a reframing in books six, where we see again Claudia, uh, her death.
[UNKNOWN]: And we find out that our mom was actually in the same psych and early thing that we would see more from Farid, the doctor character who's not really there.
[UNKNOWN]: Which is just, he's actually there.
[UNKNOWN]: I'm just, he says he's not there.
[UNKNOWN]: Anyway, there's jokes going on about him.
[UNKNOWN]: You know, like John Cena, like you can't see him.
[UNKNOWN]: But in in book six vampire mon our mon actually did experiments on Madeleine and Claudia and like tried to sew body as head on Madeleine's body and then that was that we to give her an adult body that's okay
[UNKNOWN]: But they didn't end up going well and then they ended up earning them so that's something I don't necessarily see them transferring to the show and I kind of don't hope so But I think to me that's the worst thing that our mom's done in the book.
[UNKNOWN]: That's pretty bad.
[UNKNOWN]: That's really bad.
[UNKNOWN]: Oh my god So Cory With some brighter tidings.
[UNKNOWN]: I hope here we go.
[UNKNOWN]: You want these things I'd really
[UNKNOWN]: find fascinating about the first two episodes is that they've made a greater reference to the great conversion.
[UNKNOWN]: And basically what that is is that it's the amassing of more vampiric numbers, basically their population is increasing at an exponential growth.
[UNKNOWN]: Now,
[UNKNOWN]: This wouldn't necessarily be a truly important thing unless you understand what that actually means in terms of the greater mythology of the Chronicles, specifically as it refers to Amel, who is the progenitor of the Vampiric Race.
[UNKNOWN]: In Prints Listet, we come to find out that Amel
[UNKNOWN]: spirit that embodies a person originally it was a kasha and through them they have the vampiric powers given to them along a line.
[UNKNOWN]: Those lines are referred to as tentacles.
[UNKNOWN]: There are basically extensions of omel passed down from one vampire to the next vampire to the next
[UNKNOWN]: Amel seemingly has a physical limit, and when that limit is reached, he causes the great burnings.
[UNKNOWN]: We know that in the series so far, Raglan James has specifically said that the vampiric numbers are increasing exponentially.
[UNKNOWN]: He specifically mentions about 1600 vampires,
[UNKNOWN]: Dr. Farid, yes, that one, specifically says that he estimated before the burnings happened for the third time that there were only about 5,000 vampires, which means that if the vampiric number continues to increase exponentially, it's only going to need exactly one more generation before it gets to that number and then the burnings will happen.
[UNKNOWN]: If I had to guess, I would say that the next generation of empires is basically happening right now, and that's going to lead to the queen waking up.
[UNKNOWN]: That's going to be the impetus for Kasha coming alive because the spirit inside of her, Amel, is going to force that.
[UNKNOWN]: Why does Lestat leave himself?
[UNKNOWN]: Well, because his music is essentially causing this
[UNKNOWN]: great a number of vampires to happen.
[UNKNOWN]: So he is indirectly responsible but clearly that his fault exactly like this would have happened eventually.
[UNKNOWN]: But it is interesting that they were making this a canonical thing that's happening and I do believe that's going to be the reason for why
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, the idea that they have stretched eroons or sorry, not a room.
[UNKNOWN]: I keep I always do that since they called in in the our Mons original name of the books is Andre by anyway Since they've stretched almost blood so thin we know, you know from the first, yeah I don't know why I'm I'm couching this because we are in the book spoiler section.
[UNKNOWN]: We know
[UNKNOWN]: We know from the first episode that there's, yeah, Akash is going to wake up and there's going to be a lot of people are going to die and indeed it's through burning because um, almost kind of his spirit kind of attached to her.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, so that's very interesting.
[UNKNOWN]: I did also, they frame it in the books as if.
[UNKNOWN]: And I think this is, you know, what Corey saying's absolutely true.
[UNKNOWN]: But then, yes, and they also frame it as like the final trigger that wakes her up is she has heard the stop before playing the violin for her, like when he was, you know, a Marius introduced him to her in the first place.
[UNKNOWN]: And she's like, oh, I kind of like this guy, you know, and this is where she let him drink for her.
[UNKNOWN]: And that's is why he has the blood of a caution here.
[UNKNOWN]: him.
[UNKNOWN]: But then she still is like just stays there with her husband, who may or may not be in this, just chilling until this time when Lestot is giving this big concert.
[UNKNOWN]: And he, she over, she hears him play.
[UNKNOWN]: Nikki is a strategist.
[UNKNOWN]: And that's kind of like the final trigger that wakes her up and she's like, nah, I'm ready to go out and party now and kills her husband and like, you know, this is the burning start and she's like, nobody will stand between me and the start.
[UNKNOWN]: Um, but why?
[UNKNOWN]: I mean, I think the Cory gives a better framing for this of a real why why this vampire spirit within would want this is like you stretch in my bloodsuit then we got a thin nerd But um for her I think she's yeah, she's ready to live again when she hears this that's music But so my question is like we saw Listot on stage playing the violin in the song black licorice Is that Nicky's violin in the first place doesn't really matter either way
[UNKNOWN]: did we already see the moment where, like, it reminds me of, of, in, um, sinners went, sorry, spinal spoiler for sinners.
[UNKNOWN]: If you somehow haven't seen it yet, but there's this scene in the middle where, you know, he sings this song and the music is so good that it, like, opens the gateways of time and, and, and reality, and, you know, and this is what attracts the vampires attention.
[UNKNOWN]: is this in a way like the stott has says he had that transcendent moment on stage with the violin when he had this realization and you know this is the best they've ever sounded was that did at that actually did that moment wake up a casha could she already be awake somewhere and make it her way to to him
[UNKNOWN]: that would be interesting.
[UNKNOWN]: I would be okay with that.
[UNKNOWN]: I would be good.
[UNKNOWN]: I know everybody's expecting these big moments, but I think that the show is shown that it's less interested in the big set pieces and more interested in dissecting emotion within them.
[UNKNOWN]: um so we we did get promised when when we actually like just because she's already woken up we did get promised uh a big entrance for her so she might still be woken up and making her way to him but apparently that the entrance is going to be glorious yeah i mean yeah you can absolutely do that right mm-hmm she hasn't walked in the room yet right exactly yeah
[UNKNOWN]: Um, I do wonder about like Gabriella asking about Italian vampires, and I think in the flashback with Nicky, I think that this is about bringing up Marius, she asks her mom about his maker, and at this point in the timeline, our mom thought that Marius was dead, although, uh, Lestat had Lestat already met with him yet, or maybe they went looking after this, that would make sense.
[UNKNOWN]: I, I, yeah, I'm a little hazy on the
[UNKNOWN]: So I'm wondering if the Italian vampires are about bringing up Marius Armand's maker who is actually still out there.
[UNKNOWN]: He's tending to those who must be kept, Akasha and her husband.
[UNKNOWN]: But there's also another one.
[UNKNOWN]: There's a vampire called Vittorio who has a standalone book and doesn't appear in any of the other books.
[UNKNOWN]: I'm like, just as for Vittorio, maybe it's a reference to that.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, I don't know.
[UNKNOWN]: The accent was gritty on me here.
[UNKNOWN]: I will tell you that which is her accent.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, okay Oh, there any Italian, you know like I was it just felt very like vividy Bobbie kind of you know Maybe like just not not actually trying to sound Italian, but like trying too hard to sound Italian I for yeah, okay, I missed it.
[UNKNOWN]: I get that
[UNKNOWN]: Um, I did have a thought, though, in the scene, though, too, that, like, if, so this, this whole, you can't hear your maker thoughts thing is a TV addition to the lore.
[UNKNOWN]: And, and I like it.
[UNKNOWN]: I think it's created a lot of interesting situations, uh, with, like, the speaking spell, with the, with the fledgling, speaking spell, you have to text or fledgling.
[UNKNOWN]: Anyway, but I do wonder if, in part, this is to explain why our mind doesn't know that Marius is still alive.
[UNKNOWN]: I think that's probably right, but also like the vampires don't have to open themselves up, right, like they could shut people out.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, true, and Mario is certainly, although
[UNKNOWN]: Hmm, yeah, Murray spends a lot of time looking for his fledged links because he realizes it's been in this case the reason are among things that he's dead is because that that satanic cult broken and burnt him and stole our mind and you know, right took him back what we should meet meeting Santino at some point, I think.
[UNKNOWN]: But yeah, in the stories, Marys spent a long time looking for his fledgling his very, like, also another one called Pandora.
[UNKNOWN]: So this would explain why he can't just, like, find them.
[UNKNOWN]: Why is he looking for his fledgling?
[UNKNOWN]: Um, well, with our mom, they got separated because of that whole thing, you know, with burning.
[UNKNOWN]: And with Pandora, it was like kind of like he threw a, she, she like, she, they got in a fight.
[UNKNOWN]: They were together for a long time.
[UNKNOWN]: They got in a fight.
[UNKNOWN]: And she, like, stormed out for a few days and he's like, well, fine, then I'm gone gone.
[UNKNOWN]: And then just wasn't able to find her for the longest time after that.
[UNKNOWN]: Well, but I mean, why does he want to find them all?
[UNKNOWN]: Those are all guys.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, it's going to be interesting to see how they handle Marius, because he's someone who could be like, he could be a likable vampire, but he also does horrible things like the rest of them, so I'm very curious what balance they will strike with this character.
[UNKNOWN]: That's interesting.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: I'm looking forward to seeing Marius for the first time.
[UNKNOWN]: I think it's going to be a lot of fun.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: It's going to be easy.
[UNKNOWN]: Because I mean, they outdid themselves with Magnus.
[UNKNOWN]: And so I'm very curious, hey, I'm having black hair through me all for a second.
[UNKNOWN]: They're like, well, then he's supposed to be way older.
[UNKNOWN]: But, um, no, the the whole gaunt nature of him was just absolutely on point.
[UNKNOWN]: Mm-hmm.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, the teeth did a lot.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, the teeth did a lot of work.
[UNKNOWN]: But they made his skin also look like papery or, you know, yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: All right, well since I brought up our mom, we have to do our weekly devil's minion corner check-in.
[UNKNOWN]: We obviously got some our mom's sightings finally this episode.
[UNKNOWN]: Jesus.
[UNKNOWN]: But I do think like I do think we're going to get the devil's minion payoff this season, but based on various interviews so that I've been hearing I wonder if we're not getting it until the very end of the season.
[UNKNOWN]: Like, even I keep hearing an interview's, the showrunner saying that episode 7 is going to reframe everything else.
[UNKNOWN]: And we, like, we, again, we have access to spoilers.
[UNKNOWN]: We're not watching ahead, but we do not have access.
[UNKNOWN]: Nobody seen episode 7 outside of like the people who made it basically.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, and I'm I'm really not watching it because I just don't think it's us fun.
[UNKNOWN]: No, no, no, no, no.
[UNKNOWN]: Because you can speculate freely then.
[UNKNOWN]: No, but even if we did, we wouldn't be able to see that, but we're not.
[UNKNOWN]: Um, I think the offensive over there, you know.
[UNKNOWN]: But you'll find out next week.
[UNKNOWN]: It's Daniel more later viewing you about.
[UNKNOWN]: I've said I've said several wrong things.
[UNKNOWN]: I'm sure we'll find out next week.
[UNKNOWN]: several wrong predictions.
[UNKNOWN]: But okay, here's the thing, like, I'm obsessing about what's going to happen with Daniel, especially with this revelation, the David tell, but it's not going to be a character.
[UNKNOWN]: And now I think they're giving, like, you know, I laid it all out last week.
[UNKNOWN]: I won't repeat it, but the whole thing where they have set it up.
[UNKNOWN]: So it could be that they're swapping the character of Daniel into a different body.
[UNKNOWN]: via the whole body swap thing with Raglan James.
[UNKNOWN]: And then that would be the end of Eric Bogozian in this show.
[UNKNOWN]: And when Lestat says someone was pointing out, Lestat, when he was talking about like, oh, I wronged Daniel in this episode, he said he led a brief, into his incidental life as a vampire.
[UNKNOWN]: So that's not saying he no longer lives.
[UNKNOWN]: It's kind of saying he's no longer a vampire, so maybe he was body swapped into a human body.
[UNKNOWN]: that is definitely an interesting take and I could see it happening.
[UNKNOWN]: All right.
[UNKNOWN]: This is this is my paranoia.
[UNKNOWN]: We'll see.
[UNKNOWN]: I still I still want them to keep Eric because he and but like if you follow the books that kind of make sense, I just can't imagine who else can play Daniel?
[UNKNOWN]: Are they going to have Luke Brennan feel?
[UNKNOWN]: How would they explain that?
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, uh, I don't know.
[UNKNOWN]: Some people are saying some people are saying it could be real
[UNKNOWN]: but I don't know, I haven't seen the actor take on that role, so I don't know how he would be as a Daniel.
[UNKNOWN]: It's really Eric, but go to him, it's just such a treasure.
[UNKNOWN]: I know.
[UNKNOWN]: But also he is 72, and he probably doesn't want to do this forever.
[UNKNOWN]: It doesn't, he seems to be having a great time.
[UNKNOWN]: That's true.
[UNKNOWN]: I don't know.
[UNKNOWN]: All right.
[UNKNOWN]: Those are all my thoughts and feelings about this episode.
[UNKNOWN]: It was a nice long one, but deserving, I think, are discussion.
[UNKNOWN]: Absolutely.
[UNKNOWN]: I mean, if one of these episodes was going to get a big treatment, I think this was the one.
[UNKNOWN]: I don't know how they're going to happen this season.
[UNKNOWN]: They might, but it was just so good.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: Can't wait to see what's next.
[UNKNOWN]: All right.
[UNKNOWN]: See you next week.
[UNKNOWN]: That's good.
[UNKNOWN]: I bet.