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[SPEAKER_01]: Hello everybody and welcome to the daycast.
[SPEAKER_01]: My job joins by David with Donald.
[SPEAKER_01]: It is what's the date today?
[SPEAKER_01]: Firstly, it's the 18th of June.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it's 26, this is episode 413.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think I'm a doubt of sorts.
[SPEAKER_01]: Listen, because you can probably tell by the difference in order in quality, I've not got my usual setup here because I like a big e-jets that spilt coffee all over my back,
[SPEAKER_01]: So that, it could have been worse, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: It's still mostly working, but the track pad, like the mouse pad thing doesn't work anymore.
[SPEAKER_01]: So if there's only listeners who are experts on this sort of stuff, right, what I think is there anything that I can do to salvage this?
[SPEAKER_01]: I've already ordered myself a little set of special star shaped scoogers that you need to open up a MacBook.
[SPEAKER_01]: So I'm hoping to sort of open up and give it a bit of a delay.
[SPEAKER_01]: kind of offering this assumption that I've made well, has to get a new one.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm thinking of investing in one of the little MacBook Neo.
[SPEAKER_01]: So I hear that they're pretty good.
[SPEAKER_01]: They're half the price.
[SPEAKER_01]: 500.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, like 500, I mean, you ask it around that, right?
[SPEAKER_02]: And then yeah, so, obviously, they're little beasts.
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, as far as I know, yeah, I mean, that might be a sound investment.
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, won't a Bluetooth mouse work or anything like that?
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I mean, that's the next thing to try, um, fever alert.
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, is that going to be just sustainable long term?
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know.
[SPEAKER_01]: So apologies if you were desperate to be listening to this life on YouTube, but I don't have to give them a shot to be able to get out.
[SPEAKER_01]: Hopefully, when that's not being sorted out for next week.
[SPEAKER_01]: But this is good enough.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm on the Zencast of Apple, my phone, I'm told, Damon, I'm sitting on the sofa, I've got a cup of tea, a cat.
[SPEAKER_01]: So my lap just got a home from a pub quiz.
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, this is, this is a horrible thing.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's been sitting.
[SPEAKER_02]: The only thing is weird is that, yes, we won, of course.
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, yes, okay, very good.
[SPEAKER_02]: We knew that.
[SPEAKER_02]: Mr. Smartypants.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's got so bad statement that we're thinking of reprisive, we're going to change the name of our team, because we're worried that we've got a reputation now, but let's be right there, our team, they're going to be nice.
[SPEAKER_01]: Look at all these guys.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yep, we have a well balanced team, like different knowledge bases.
[SPEAKER_02]: Or is it just you're just all the fun?
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, where it's in the middle of everything.
[SPEAKER_01]: my dad and his best friends and his best friends partner, who's also my land lady in that northern Turkey.
[SPEAKER_01]: Do you say land lady?
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know.
[SPEAKER_01]: And it probably comes along these days, which she doesn't know anything.
[SPEAKER_01]: She's she's with there for the food, which I respect that.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's that's why I'm sure.
[SPEAKER_01]: Absolutely.
[SPEAKER_01]: But yeah, I'd rather the basis that people with other people
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm a good quiz, please do I know how do you think you would do in, say, uh, jeopardy.
[SPEAKER_02]: Do you have jeopardy?
[SPEAKER_01]: No, the one you have to say what the question is.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, or you answer in a form of a question.
[SPEAKER_02]: What is?
[SPEAKER_02]: Dingo berries, you know, what are Dingo berries?
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I just want to get my proper punctuation.
[SPEAKER_02]: Any hope?
[SPEAKER_02]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_02]: How do you think he would do?
[SPEAKER_01]: Brilliant.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'd smash that.
[SPEAKER_02]: Really?
[SPEAKER_01]: Easy work.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: Fun fact I have a buddy that was on.
[SPEAKER_02]: He did not win, but he was on him either.
[SPEAKER_02]: I was many, many years ago, many, many years ago.
[SPEAKER_02]: He's a smart cookie as well.
[SPEAKER_02]: So I'm all right, I know dumb shit.
[SPEAKER_02]: Like just, you'd be surprised, like just like weird off the wall shit that just sticks in my head.
[SPEAKER_02]: But like, how do you tie your shoe?
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, I don't fucking know.
[SPEAKER_02]: But like just like a weird random thing.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'll just be like, yeah, that's friends, front man.
[SPEAKER_01]: What?
[SPEAKER_01]: What are you talking about?
[SPEAKER_02]: Uh, yes.
[SPEAKER_02]: All right, cool.
[SPEAKER_02]: I got to be honest with you, I bought some new gear as well, bought some new gear specifically for G1 in Chicago.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, okay, that's exciting.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I bought what are they called?
[SPEAKER_02]: A gimbal, gimbal, what are they?
[SPEAKER_02]: For the phone?
[SPEAKER_02]: So it's like a video thing, my Bob.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm telling you, I'm doing video shit, dude.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's going to be fucking awesome.
[SPEAKER_02]: There's so many ideas.
[SPEAKER_02]: So get on that fucking $10 here if you're not already, because I got some fucking ideas.
[SPEAKER_02]: At the very least, you'll have some, at least a day.
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, I'm really nice about it as well.
[SPEAKER_01]: I, a Monday, was it changed after that?
[SPEAKER_01]: One of those days, earlier this week, I recorded an episode
[SPEAKER_01]: who is interested in DBT expert about the New Japan DBT second crossover show and have to keep live on that.
[SPEAKER_01]: Excellent bit of audio.
[SPEAKER_01]: I thought, I'll just edit that tomorrow.
[SPEAKER_01]: And then that was the chance to put coffee over my back.
[SPEAKER_01]: So that's still no.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's still there.
[SPEAKER_01]: I just I've got got rounded editing it up loading it.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: So hopefully the mouse thing work, but that's that is also hopefully on the way.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's this where I can go and it's attracted somehow.
[SPEAKER_01]: But that was that's good audio coming your way up from the native possibly.
[SPEAKER_02]: All right, fingers crossed.
[SPEAKER_02]: Listen, the 10-hour tears were established.
[SPEAKER_01]: If you want to hear about a play by play analysis of a match where four men are in the ring, blindfolded and you have to win by shoving your opponent's head up the ass of the other person.
[SPEAKER_01]: what's this face?
[SPEAKER_02]: I've got to make you happy.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's just, how do you, what do you, what a come on.
[SPEAKER_02]: Come on, what are we doing over there and crazily, and it's crazy land over there.
[SPEAKER_01]: I sit through the recording statement.
[SPEAKER_01]: The patriot is not just about doing things that you enjoy watching things that you like and talking to people that you, but I didn't enjoy what's thought to you.
[SPEAKER_01]: You have to do bad things that you don't like.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's okay.
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know why, I can't elaborate on that, but that's just, that's what it's all about.
[SPEAKER_02]: I can't believe I can't believe I'm doing a video content, let's put it that way.
[SPEAKER_02]: So I, like, Cheryl's like, what are you doing?
[SPEAKER_02]: I was like, yeah, I was thinking about doing like a daily vlog.
[SPEAKER_02]: And she's just looking at me like, you aren't, you don't like any of that.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I'm like, I know.
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't know.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm doing it.
[SPEAKER_01]: No, I'm doing it.
[SPEAKER_01]: No, I'm going to go back now.
[SPEAKER_01]: This is get all the fucking 10 movies here.
[SPEAKER_01]: Make this final actually viable for all of these.
[SPEAKER_01]: If we've exactly the same number as subscribers as last year, when we were doing any of this stuff, then this is going to enter to me.
[SPEAKER_01]: This could be the end of the superjacar.
[SPEAKER_01]: So just for the sake of this entity.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's fucking what it's up now.
[SPEAKER_01]: Jesus.
[SPEAKER_02]: I know.
[SPEAKER_02]: Please sign up for that $10 tier.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm begging you.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm only hands and knees begging if I'm going to do this.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm going to sit there with a fucking camera and Hi, hi, hi, hi everyone.
[SPEAKER_01]: Are you going to you're going to record your face reacting to things?
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm sure I'm going to go to Colvers.
[SPEAKER_01]: Have you ever Colvers before?
[SPEAKER_01]: No, I want for the entirety of the T1 show.
[SPEAKER_01]: I want the camera pointed directly in your own face.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, reactions and you just, and I want a YouTube thumbnail of you doing like the big shot face.
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh!
[SPEAKER_01]: Wait, hand on my other hand, yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, oh.
[SPEAKER_01]: When the reader did what?
[SPEAKER_02]: You won't believe what happens at the T1 show.
[SPEAKER_02]: Right.
[SPEAKER_02]: Did I, was I wrong about G1?
[SPEAKER_02]: Question mark, question mark.
[SPEAKER_01]: Shout out.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, there's got to be another video where you're doing a face light.
[SPEAKER_01]: Remember?
[SPEAKER_01]: Like, I feel like you're facing some kind of grip a sweep.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like, you're kind of sharp.
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, just face that they will do.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_01]: Be sure.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm sharp.
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, yeah, so, yeah, I'll go to the whole verse.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yes, I'm going to be going enough.
[SPEAKER_02]: Uh, I'm going to go, the cold verse is like a, um, it's like the Midwest version of In and Out.
[SPEAKER_02]: All right, or five guys, if you will.
[SPEAKER_02]: So, yeah, I'm sure, you can do yourself eating a pack.
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh yeah, take a look and watch that and like that.
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, this is the content I paid $10 for right there.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, absolutely.
[SPEAKER_02]: And...
[SPEAKER_02]: My fat face, eating a hamburger, just what the people wanted, but I've never had it before, so I will do that.
[SPEAKER_02]: Also, there is, if I'm not mistaken, yeah, it is.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's the Friday before, well, the Friday before, it's the day before, the day before.
[SPEAKER_02]: They have this gigantic beer garden.
[SPEAKER_02]: Like a block away from the arena, which is a block away from the hotel.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm saying that, right?
[SPEAKER_02]: So, I'm going to go there.
[SPEAKER_02]: We'll do a little thing.
[SPEAKER_02]: I was thinking about getting a, yeah, there's like a little quarter of sections that you can rent.
[SPEAKER_02]: I was thinking about doing that for everybody.
[SPEAKER_02]: And then maybe maybe if you're going to G1, you might be invited to that.
[SPEAKER_02]: Maybe.
[SPEAKER_02]: if I do it.
[SPEAKER_02]: The only thing I'm worried about is that, like, if I put down the deposit for it, right, there's no refunds.
[SPEAKER_02]: So if it rains or, you know, it's rained out or thunderstorms or whatever, I'm pretty much fucked for 250 bucks.
[SPEAKER_02]: Um, because they don't give out, there's a refunds.
[SPEAKER_02]: They'll give you credit for a new one, but, you know, I'm like, when I'm the fuck am I ever going to be there?
[SPEAKER_02]: Again, so yeah, I'm kind of waiting a little bit on that, but then I think then yeah, not that think I know the day of G1 there will be a nice little get together over at Chris SAMHSA's house.
[SPEAKER_02]: What do you think of that?
[SPEAKER_02]: I'll be I'll be I'll be I'll be I'll be I'll be I'll be I'll be I'll be I'll be I'll be I'll be I'll be I'll be I'll be I'll be I'll be I'll be I'll be I'll be I'll be I'll be I'll be I'll be I'll be I'll be I'll be I'll be I'll be I'll be I'll be I'll be I'll be I'll be I'll be I'll be I'll be I'll be I'll be I'll be I'll be I'll be I'll be I'll be I'll be I'll be I'll be I'll be I'll be I'll be I'll be I'll be I'll be I'll be I'll
[SPEAKER_02]: That's right.
[SPEAKER_02]: That should be fun.
[SPEAKER_02]: So he's having a little get together.
[SPEAKER_02]: We're all going to hang out have a couple burgers and beers and whatever else Chris has on tap.
[SPEAKER_01]: I got a guarantee there's going to be.
[SPEAKER_02]: But here's the thing though.
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't want to show up with my dumb fucking camera and it was big guys live streaming from Chris Samson.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm taking his shit right now.
[SPEAKER_02]: That'll be the thumbnail to fucking turn, sit in it, floating in a toilet, that's exactly what the content will be.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, very old prints for the CPHA costs.
[SPEAKER_02]: No doubt.
[SPEAKER_02]: So...
[SPEAKER_02]: Uh, I just don't want to show up with a fucking camera and be like, hey guys, you know, people might just want to be like, can I just fucking have 10 minutes that I don't have to be online in other mean.
[SPEAKER_01]: So I don't, you should get, you know, um, you've been watching some of the, well, cop, you know, this, this, this kind of head camera that the referees were.
[SPEAKER_01]: So that's where one of those.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yes, well, I mean, I could probably do that with this comment.
[SPEAKER_02]: The statement came, this DJI ASEMO Mobile 8-Gune version, and I purchased just for this fucking trip.
[SPEAKER_02]: Sorry, little microphones.
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, I'm such a, I'm going to be such a kind.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's going to be unbelievable.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's got, I'm going to be one of those people.
[SPEAKER_02]: You can do the kitchen like a spot as well.
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, you're great.
[SPEAKER_02]: I can't wait.
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't it'll be who knows.
[SPEAKER_02]: But I have committed to it.
[SPEAKER_02]: I've paid for it.
[SPEAKER_02]: So I'm fucking doing it.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: So there's that.
[SPEAKER_02]: So again, if you want to see this abomination, this this this
[SPEAKER_02]: Genuine shit content that I will be trying to see David having a mental breakdown live on camera.
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, you absolutely will.
[SPEAKER_02]: I guarantee it.
[SPEAKER_02]: I can't tell you how many disgusted Kermit the frog faces I'm going to do.
[SPEAKER_02]: Just being annoyed by human beings just like fucking hate everything.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, you'll get plenty of that.
[SPEAKER_02]: If that's your if that's your cup of tea.
[SPEAKER_02]: You're going to get plenty of that.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, we'll see, we'll see what I can get away with.
[SPEAKER_02]: We'll see what I can get away with, maybe.
[SPEAKER_02]: Again, I have some things that things up my sleeve.
[SPEAKER_02]: So we'll see what I can do.
[SPEAKER_02]: It might be a productive trip, we'll see.
[SPEAKER_02]: But I get on board $10 tier.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'll make sure that's, I mean, I make sure you can buy it because I like, I like seeing that.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'll see you in those, uh, those dollar bills roll in, man.
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't know what I'm like.
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, look at that.
[SPEAKER_02]: The Joe lands
[SPEAKER_01]: But I was comfortable just kind of drawn a line under the Kevin Kelly industry and thinking, right, I think, you know, that's, that's got this number of buys and I'll send the money that made to you because it's, it's stop selling this one.
[SPEAKER_01]: Look, fuck, it's won't stop buying it.
[SPEAKER_01]: Jesus Christ.
[SPEAKER_02]: I know.
[SPEAKER_02]: I agree.
[SPEAKER_02]: I can't believe it.
[SPEAKER_02]: I truly can't believe it.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's, um,
[SPEAKER_02]: It's very humbling as we talked about on the Joe Lanza unmasked.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yes, that was like I said, I check it, I don't check it every day, but every other day or a couple days, I'll take a lock and be like, whoa, it can't be a hundred and foot.
[SPEAKER_02]: What should my viewers really have much money?
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, that's, that's, that's, that's like, I don't care whenever you said it.
[SPEAKER_01]: A hundred and foot, three US dollars.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: All right.
[SPEAKER_01]: I know you want to sold it mate.
[SPEAKER_02]: I really did.
[SPEAKER_02]: I feel like I did.
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, I don't.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, again, I don't.
[SPEAKER_02]: Again, I feel weird.
[SPEAKER_02]: It just doing it in general, charging, but I obviously deserve it.
[SPEAKER_01]: Please, you got it with that.
[SPEAKER_02]: Thank God, damn.
[SPEAKER_02]: So, yes, there will be that.
[SPEAKER_02]: And, uh,
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm very shocking.
[SPEAKER_02]: So yes, again, I don't know, but definitely $10 tier, you're getting it, you're getting it.
[SPEAKER_02]: And again, we might charge, we might do with three bucker or whatever, I don't know.
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't know how the video is going to work, be honest with you, I guess we'll put it up on the YouTube on a private channel.
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't know, you tell me, we'll figure it out.
[SPEAKER_02]: So yeah, there you go.
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, that's how, that's, that's what we do.
[SPEAKER_02]: So what we did, and if you were on board on the $10 tier already, not to sell it any harder than I thought I'd feel like I don't want to.
[SPEAKER_02]: You would have been pretty correct me from wrong, Joel, when we did that nice little G1 exclusive.
[SPEAKER_02]: Uh, I mean, we found that no one else on the planet getting that nope.
[SPEAKER_02]: Nope.
[SPEAKER_02]: Just that that that the mighty 10 dollar tier the mighty 10 dollar tier took care of that and Boyle boy.
[SPEAKER_02]: Do we do we crush that with the G1 participant announcements?
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, aside from what what was it one
[SPEAKER_02]: like flip-flap one wrestler with another in a group.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's the only thing we, we were like 99% Ron onboard, just bang bang bang bang bang bang bang.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's hard subject to change it, isn't it?
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, that's not because we are wrong it's because New Japan decided to change something between our script reporting completely correct information and that would be a make-up.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, you were on the 10th on the tip.
[SPEAKER_01]: You would have been streets ahead of everyone else.
[SPEAKER_01]: You would know exactly what was coming
[SPEAKER_01]: has the sources and the access that we do.
[SPEAKER_02]: No one, no one.
[SPEAKER_02]: So yes, excellent job by us, if I do say so myself, an excellent job for those on the $200.
[SPEAKER_01]: with the analysis about those, uh, and that switch is mostly wrong.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's, uh, yes, get the analysis was shit.
[SPEAKER_02]: Don't give it wrong.
[SPEAKER_02]: That was, that was, we were, we were nowhere near the mark.
[SPEAKER_02]: Uh, but yes, it's a loose clip.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's just about the rest of it.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, everything else was just silliness if you go back and listen to it, but yes, I mean, again, well, I mean, they were announced and we'll probably get into those participants, I don't know which way you want to start first, but we don't even have to start, be quite honest with it.
[SPEAKER_02]: But yeah, I mean, it's, you know, they were really,
[SPEAKER_02]: I guess the biggest surprises were, you know, the tag team participants, and then the biggest surprise of the show were the tag team participants from me anyway.
[SPEAKER_02]: Um, yeah, unfortunately, or fortunately, depending upon how you want to look at it, there really wasn't any like shocking,
[SPEAKER_02]: You know, oh, I can't believe this person's in G1 and really wasn't on that.
[SPEAKER_02]: It was none of that to be quite honest.
[SPEAKER_02]: It was pretty cut and dry.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, but again, we'll we'll we'll we'll go when the time is right.
[SPEAKER_02]: So Joel, why don't you take us away while you're sitting on the couch with your cup of tea.
[SPEAKER_02]: your lovely little cat as well, feed up on the couch while I slay away at this time.
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, at the one point I went to make.
[SPEAKER_02]: Um, so, you know, obviously we're running the desktop usually with the Zencaster, the lovely and always reliable Zencaster.
[SPEAKER_02]: Um, we, uh,
[SPEAKER_02]: It looks weirder with you on this mobile app.
[SPEAKER_02]: Like you are wave form, you know, you can see, you know, when you talk, it would take the dope waves.
[SPEAKER_02]: Goes much faster by, so like I hope Dan, I hope this doesn't get fucked up.
[SPEAKER_02]: Like, thank God, we'll do a countdown.
[SPEAKER_02]: So Dan can sync this up because it just looks like it's like yours is doing 50 miles an hour and mine kind of just goes slow.
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, it's out.
[SPEAKER_02]: I hope they are able to be synced.
[SPEAKER_02]: All right, very good enough of that.
[SPEAKER_02]: Joel, take us where we need to be.
[SPEAKER_01]: Why don't no one we need to be, because I've not got the notes, I've got the swiping between outset.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think we let's start on some good and door.
[SPEAKER_01]: So, okay, let's see that.
[SPEAKER_01]: There are two matches which have new Japan leaders, one we spoke about already, there's actually a few universities Kenny Omega, which I think we just does that last week.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think that's a great match, really
[SPEAKER_01]: being challenged for the global title by pack, pack, pack, pack, pack, pack, the bastard, pack.
[SPEAKER_01]: The bastard, pack, is that a challenging show to even know, which is a rematch, I think they're wrestling, each other in like 2022 or something I want to say, and I like that most of them, I mean to that, I like the bastard, pack, and I think that's a nice defense show to even those should be a good match, I write him as a wrestler.
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't have a problem with that being it, as far as I've been door representation goes.
[SPEAKER_01]: I never really thought that this was going to be something that every year would give us crossover, dream matches.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's an AW showed that happens to use it.
[SPEAKER_01]: Every diminishing sprinting of New Japan, and we did say this at the time, I was all these
[SPEAKER_01]: signing of talent to be patient.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm not going to legislate whether that's food or bad, whatever, but it does compromise the viability of a bit of thought.
[SPEAKER_01]: As a concept, and that's been borne up here by the fact that there are only two, well, I would consider actual proper future-parent for a rest as long as the show.
[SPEAKER_01]: But again, that's not to totally kind of not angry about it.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm not resentful, I'm just like, it is what it is.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's an NAW show, and these are the new Japan wrestlers that
[SPEAKER_01]: kind of speaks to where New Japan is as a company.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's just not very hot right now.
[SPEAKER_01]: We don't have any start.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, and again, it's the company's, we've said a trolling in a half time, so why not do it one more?
[SPEAKER_02]: You know, it's the company's responsibility to make those stars.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's not like stars just show up in their stars.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's the company's responsibility to do that.
[SPEAKER_02]: Again, it helps when you have someone who stands out above the rest, and it's like, and obviously, yep, that's the guy we're hitching our wagon to.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I mean, it just hasn't really been the case.
[SPEAKER_02]: So, and again, forbidden or while the original concept, everyone was excited by and rightfully sell, I think, because at the time, it felt like, okay, okay, you know, I think everybody was,
[SPEAKER_02]: excited the possibilities of what it could be and unfortunately it turned into a situation like all quote partnerships and joint shows and all of that where you know it just feels a little water down to protect people and safety first and you know our guys got to get over and we can't have this guy losing and from both sides and
[SPEAKER_02]: You know, you're kind of limited in the matches you could put together and all of that, all the things.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's a show.
[SPEAKER_02]: And if we're just going by those two matches, that's it.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's a fucking not bet.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's really good.
[SPEAKER_02]: Not better than not bet.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's very good.
[SPEAKER_02]: But it's hard for us to get too excited in the sense of, okay, we're probably going to get some pretty great matches,
[SPEAKER_02]: New Japan Pro Wrestling fan.
[SPEAKER_02]: It does, I think it feels like it does very little to help.
[SPEAKER_02]: the new Japan calls, whether it be story line or continuing programs for future New Japan shows.
[SPEAKER_02]: Basically, what it is is, again, we have the opportunity to see what on paper sounds like two really good matches.
[SPEAKER_02]: And New Japan gets their annual payday, you know what I mean?
[SPEAKER_02]: So, I'm gonna, I'm gonna emoji shoulder shrug.
[SPEAKER_02]: and say it is what it is.
[SPEAKER_02]: We've been on this path many times.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm sure I will watch those two matches at the very least.
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, I'm sure, and here's the thing, I'm sure the other stuff on the show will probably be good as well.
[SPEAKER_02]: Those shows are not bad shows.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's just when you
[SPEAKER_02]: Is this good for New Japan versus is it just a great wrestling show and you know what maybe you could step away and say, you know what I'm just here for the fucking pro wrestling.
[SPEAKER_02]: God bless you good that that's that's a great way to be quite honestly.
[SPEAKER_02]: We do what we do a new Japan pro wrestling show so unfortunately we have to broaden that view and and we will.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's not a few story.
[SPEAKER_01]: essentially him refusing to defend the IWGP title of what to do and for a bit of thought, because he says it's been disrespected with the open challenges like Sonata, against Jack Perry and his third match from the top.
[SPEAKER_01]: defending against retired wrestlers and the 90s will begin this thing and he says he's not doing it and then we're not sprayed five back and said he should be a fighting champion and take pride and represent in the company and the the whole thing I just found very exhaustive like because the deadly bothered to read the tweets let alone engage with them.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, what did you make me look?
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't believe a word a pro wrestler says when the camera is on.
[SPEAKER_02]: I hate to be that guy.
[SPEAKER_02]: You know what I mean?
[SPEAKER_02]: Like he said this before.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, you know, wrestlers say things.
[SPEAKER_02]: And then wrestlers respond.
[SPEAKER_02]: If, if, if, if fucking cyber agent and, uh, uh, uh, Hiroshi Tanahashi said, buddy, get your ass on a fucking plane and you know what I mean?
[SPEAKER_02]: What is he gonna do?
[SPEAKER_02]: Say now.
[SPEAKER_02]: if if he's has to be there hope either he may he might go there begrudging the lonely or may not who knows like that's his thing his thing is you know i'm not going to defend this title i mean that was a thing before right he's not defending this title outside of japan okay well we see how far that went
[SPEAKER_02]: Um, or did we, he didn't really the, he defended the other belt in Trent, who knows, who gives a fuck, uh, he, if, again, the company said be there, he'll be there.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's not like you're that kind of be there.
[SPEAKER_02]: So it's good that he puts on that front, but, uh, I think he's Gabe, Gabe, Gabe, Gabe, Gabe, Gabe, Kevin, he's Gabe, Kevin, he's Gabe, he's Gabe,
[SPEAKER_01]: There's a question from Darus that will squeeze what percentage work these sheets.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's 1,000 percent.
[SPEAKER_01]: We're lost, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: I always think it's probably shit.
[SPEAKER_01]: This is, he was supposed to be on his bedding day in his honeymoon.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm like, mate, you might be right or wrong here.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's not just log-off cuts.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's totally fine with your life.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh my God, did you see what he said about his wife on the time of my shows?
[SPEAKER_01]: Just now.
[SPEAKER_01]: Just absolutely disgusting comments.
[SPEAKER_01]: What did he say?
[SPEAKER_02]: What have you said?
[SPEAKER_01]: What have you said?
[SPEAKER_02]: What have you said?
[SPEAKER_02]: He's a, well, it was he a sex myth past sex machine.
[SPEAKER_02]: He was, uh, what was it what was it the most of the thing before?
[SPEAKER_01]: Let you say Winnipeg Willie or the sex thing.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: This next big sex pig.
[SPEAKER_02]: Was it?
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: All right.
[SPEAKER_02]: Whatever.
[SPEAKER_02]: Again, I am so glad I don't fuck.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think I really want to see a win last break versus yo, so you're about to get because it was great first time.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I think that I, I, I hope this is work.
[SPEAKER_01]: I hope they're building
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think it would be good, but it doesn't feel like it this way.
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't have the faith in the companies getting their shit together enough to do that to be honest.
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't think that there's anything going on with, you know, that empire anymore.
[SPEAKER_02]: It feels like feeling that fucking dead in the water, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, there's a lot of little slew over it since
[SPEAKER_02]: Nothing.
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, we'll talk about dominion, I'm sure, but the things that went down there, who knows what Kalam Newman or shape is in.
[SPEAKER_02]: uh, if they even had anything planned, you know, now and into the summer months, who knows, I don't know what scrapped, who would fathlethe, but it feels like that's been like, all right, for forget that even.
[SPEAKER_02]: And, um, we'll say, we'll say, maybe they pivot to your to suit you who knows.
[SPEAKER_01]: from Sunday June, at 14th, a 10th of 6,890, not bad, not bad, not bad.
[SPEAKER_01]: They're not from last year again, if I had my computer, the time should not be in there, those numbers.
[SPEAKER_01]: What's the idea to get, just a soda?
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it was up by an amount.
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't really, but it's definitely up.
[SPEAKER_01]: How did you enjoy the show?
[SPEAKER_01]: What, your headlines?
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm not.
[SPEAKER_01]: Have you enjoyed the show?
[SPEAKER_01]: Do you mean you, Lee?
[SPEAKER_02]: I think, again, we've seen some pretty epic Dominion shows, that's for sure, and I think what I mean, again, I was going to say it might be unfair to compare, but it's a Dominion show.
[SPEAKER_02]: We're comparing.
[SPEAKER_02]: We're ranking them.
[SPEAKER_02]: People rank albums, people rank movies, we're ranking them in the shows right now.
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, it lands somewhere in the middle.
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't think it was a global way show.
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't think it was anything where I, you know, I did the Joe lands at pacing in my living room by any stretch of the imagination.
[SPEAKER_02]: I thought it was a good show.
[SPEAKER_02]: Not great.
[SPEAKER_02]: I thought it was a good show.
[SPEAKER_02]: I thought the main event was,
[SPEAKER_02]: good.
[SPEAKER_02]: I hate to be like just made on it, but I thought it was good.
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't think it was great.
[SPEAKER_02]: I thought it was good.
[SPEAKER_02]: I thought there were moments where I was like, okay, we're we're getting ready to pick up here.
[SPEAKER_02]: Business is about ready to pick up as a some guy from Oklahoma would say.
[SPEAKER_02]: Honestly, if I were to sit here and say, Joel, what were three memorable moments from Dominion?
[SPEAKER_02]: I bet you you could come up with two and you'd struggle for three.
[SPEAKER_01]: So I have to pick three moments though.
[SPEAKER_01]: Should pick three.
[SPEAKER_01]: So now does the entrance?
[SPEAKER_02]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_02]: That was preposterous.
[SPEAKER_02]: just like that it was a never fucking ending.
[SPEAKER_02]: I was just, I was, you know, again, you wanna come out, I understand we're doing all the phases of Sonata, I get it.
[SPEAKER_02]: Like if another guy came out from the backstage, I was gonna throw him out of the TV.
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't be honest with you.
[SPEAKER_02]: I was like, are we doing every version of Sonata?
[SPEAKER_02]: This is not the one that's slightly different color.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: Right, exactly.
[SPEAKER_02]: Let me be very clear.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's the same thing.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's not.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's the right.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: Like kind of kind of...
[SPEAKER_02]: I was like, this is the same guy.
[SPEAKER_02]: And those, that jacket, that reddit jacket with the shoulder pads.
[SPEAKER_02]: No, it reminded me of what was the evil witch from as a thousand and one Dalmatians?
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, maybe I'm confusing one of that.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm not really a big visiting person.
[SPEAKER_01]: But it reminded me of some, is it like a lady gargantry for you or something?
[SPEAKER_02]: was it?
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, if it was, that's, that's, I wouldn't know.
[SPEAKER_02]: Um, I don't know.
[SPEAKER_02]: It was just, it was a very, and these tripping over the, uh, the red, they kind of, uh, for lack of a better description, I can give it, like, it was like a train on a dress.
[SPEAKER_02]: It was like a red, silky train, right?
[SPEAKER_02]: Uh, I don't know dude.
[SPEAKER_02]: I like whatever.
[SPEAKER_02]: He's just a fucking weirdo.
[SPEAKER_02]: I can't get into it.
[SPEAKER_02]: You know what I mean?
[SPEAKER_02]: And it took 10 minutes to like Jesus Christ.
[SPEAKER_02]: This is the first match.
[SPEAKER_02]: Jesus Christ.
[SPEAKER_02]: All right.
[SPEAKER_02]: So that's your memorable moment one.
[SPEAKER_02]: Okay, too.
[SPEAKER_01]: Uh, right.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: Come on.
[SPEAKER_01]: Things happen.
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, five, six, six, six, six.
[SPEAKER_02]: Exactly.
[SPEAKER_02]: Like, a title, yes, titles, change hands.
[SPEAKER_02]: Absolutely, did.
[SPEAKER_02]: I guess for me, would be one would be, and again, in no particular order, would be, an RA and a great O'Con against, not cap brothers, I thought that much was good.
[SPEAKER_02]: Our new world champion, Yoda Succi, and third would be, how do you think Yoda did?
[SPEAKER_02]: I think he owed it well.
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, it's a good kind of load over the place, is it?
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think he owed it, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: Those were the three things I was looking for.
[SPEAKER_01]: Every, every, every one did find, everything was fine, the show was fine.
[SPEAKER_01]: There you go.
[SPEAKER_02]: All right, there's a review.
[SPEAKER_02]: Done.
[SPEAKER_02]: Sort of.
[SPEAKER_02]: Now let's go.
[SPEAKER_02]: Let's go, first match.
[SPEAKER_01]: So there was, I got the data for the TV viewers.
[SPEAKER_01]: broadcast on television in Japan, it was.
[SPEAKER_01]: So, just by comparison, the Tokyo drone, the rest of the evening of the show.
[SPEAKER_01]: So, you plan for arresting one four Tokyo drone, turn off as you retirement and will state the special nationwide from 10 to 15 PM.
[SPEAKER_01]: The US ship races for that time were 5.2% for household to 2.9 individuals.
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_01]: But this is what New Japan Pro Wrestling are saying, I'll stack this up at battle.
[SPEAKER_01]: The counter attack of Wolf and the new generation showdown, 2.8% of average from households.
[SPEAKER_01]: And 1.4% of individuals can do a region according to video research.
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, still probably decent numbers for a new Japan per wrestling show, don't get me wrong.
[SPEAKER_02]: But, yes, significant drop there when we say, now again, to be fair, for being fair, let's be fair.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's what we stand by, fairness.
[SPEAKER_02]: Your Tokyo Dome, Russell King, them show.
[SPEAKER_02]: Um, you're, you're, you're over, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh
[SPEAKER_02]: But yeah, let's put it this way, yeah, it didn't feel like there was a lot of buzz for the, for the least, the two matches that we know were televised Aaron Wolf and your main event, if I'm not mistaken, right?
[SPEAKER_02]: Was that am I, am I off on that?
[SPEAKER_01]: There was with the two with our others, with you know, I think it was just those two.
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_02]: All right.
[SPEAKER_02]: A little drop off there and I will also say that it does feel like, well, okay, we'll get there.
[SPEAKER_02]: We'll talk about that.
[SPEAKER_02]: But yeah, a little disappointing in the fact that the numbers plotted the way they did it.
[SPEAKER_02]: But still, I would say it's a decent number for a new Japan show in the middle of June.
[SPEAKER_02]: At the beginning of June.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I mean, of course, the big draw for reticulating them, as you know, as kind of has to retirement.
[SPEAKER_01]: So sure, having stripped that away, I think, yeah, I think it's a terrible number.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think the drop off is to be expected.
[SPEAKER_01]: And yeah, how does it really have the context necessary to really analyze that?
[SPEAKER_01]: But it's a bad way expected, but anyway, it's getting to the show itself, where we kicked off with the
[SPEAKER_01]: successfully defending against another eight minutes, 24 seconds, rating five.
[SPEAKER_01]: I figured the worst here, you know, I didn't know what sort of shape sonata was going to be in, and he did have one very skinny looking arm, and they did a video about him, I've instantly think on a JPW world in YouTube prior to the show, which you really like, baby facing him, it's like he's going to help it out, a dull shelter,
[SPEAKER_01]: It was very strange because I was like, wow, okay, they don't want this guy to look or sound like a heel at all.
[SPEAKER_01]: And then when he did the entrance and it was the like the L.I.J.
[SPEAKER_01]: the cold skull theme.
[SPEAKER_01]: I was like, oh, because he like reverted back to his original gimmick or something, but then he was just doing all the gimmicks basically.
[SPEAKER_01]: And like he almost wrestled the match to the same way as the entrance.
[SPEAKER_01]: It was like he was kind of cycling through all the gimmicks.
[SPEAKER_01]: It was like a love letter to the
[SPEAKER_01]: development of the sonata characters throughout the years where it just seemed like each phase of the match was a different version of Sonata with a different sonata signature move from that period, where we just ran the whole gamut from L.I.J.
[SPEAKER_01]: Sonata to just my guys Sonata to House and Torture Sonata, we just got everything there.
[SPEAKER_01]: So it was just quite a strange match, wasn't quite what I expected.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think it was moving a bit better by thought he would,
[SPEAKER_01]: Um, yeah, it exceeded my admittedly low expectations and I was kind of kind of mildly surprised to see him go straight into the D1.5.
[SPEAKER_01]: I just just just find himself in a bit of a weird spot to that, because I think he does have some level of charisma and I like his wacky outfits and yeah, he's a very strange and charismatic man that I'm just not sure how much interest I've got in him fell to bed.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, again, I think is the way that he, like at least he's creative in what he kind of wants to present himself as.
[SPEAKER_02]: Does it always land?
[SPEAKER_02]: No.
[SPEAKER_02]: When I first saw him not only that I think of, you know, evil queen, Disney character, I got very very much David Bowie vibes, as well.
[SPEAKER_02]: And again, it was all the, the
[SPEAKER_02]: versions of Sonata that I thought was again it was a little overdone but I guess if you start the bit you got a fucking finish it yeah you did notice I I'm glad you mentioned the arm thing because I was like yeah this look a little I guess is atrophy the word I'm looking for and yes I absolutely a thousand percent have concerned about him just being plopped into the grind to meet grind or G1 now I
[SPEAKER_02]: G1 is not what it wants us, right?
[SPEAKER_02]: I think the idea that it is this, you know, 12 nights of fucking getting your teeth handed to you by Tomahier, E.C.
[SPEAKER_02]: or Togi Makabay or, you know, just,
[SPEAKER_02]: You know, you're going on all cylinders and I think, you know, you get around night seven, you know, they even earlier than that.
[SPEAKER_02]: You know, some of these matches, especially the earlier matches, you know, what do they go five minutes, they find smoked some smoke and mirrors.
[SPEAKER_02]: So it's not like it's this, you know, as we like to describe it, the me grinder.
[SPEAKER_02]: And again, very tough.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm sitting on my couch watching and I'm not doing it.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like, they'll find a gimmick, and they'll lean into that gimmick, and they'll do the same gimmick for the months of the tour.
[SPEAKER_01]: So, yeah, I'm just curious what that gimmick looks like for some other, is he just going to default back to the house of the tour, just another with the guitar, or is he going to be doing something different?
[SPEAKER_01]: And I'm quite curious to see where he lands with the presentation of the character.
[SPEAKER_01]: So again, I'm not expecting
[SPEAKER_01]: work rate and lots of stars for match quality, but I'm just quite interested to see what he decides he wants the sonata character to be in 2026, because he's a creative guy and I think there is some level of intrigue in that to me.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I think for everyone, even people like me who really don't
[SPEAKER_02]: And yeah, he'll, again, he's an adult.
[SPEAKER_02]: He can do what he wants if he feels like he's up for it.
[SPEAKER_02]: He's up for it.
[SPEAKER_02]: They'll figure out a solution to that overall though.
[SPEAKER_02]: I thought this match.
[SPEAKER_02]: I like you went into it with very low expectations.
[SPEAKER_02]: I was thrilled that it was a 15-minute sprint.
[SPEAKER_02]: And, you know, not for another, it kind of felt like a perfect lane for him.
[SPEAKER_02]: You know, if we could do 10-minute matches, you know, that might be a,
[SPEAKER_02]: a decent spot for him, especially in G1.
[SPEAKER_02]: I can't imagine.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'll tell you what.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'd be even more curious to see, again, we know a lot of the lineups.
[SPEAKER_02]: Obviously, we know a lot of the participants.
[SPEAKER_02]: We just don't know, like, lineups.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'd be curious to see if he's headlining any of these shows, or, you know, he's going to get the tap on the shoulder, so to speak, to go 20 minutes, go over 20 minutes.
[SPEAKER_02]: I can't imagine them wanting to do that.
[SPEAKER_02]: I can't imagine anyone in the right mind putting him in that predicament.
[SPEAKER_02]: So I think that'll be the true test.
[SPEAKER_02]: Like, if they really feel like this guy can do something like that.
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, that might just be curious to see if he can pull it off or what he does to pull that off.
[SPEAKER_02]: Um, but I would imagine he's first matches, second matches, they'll do everything they can to fucking hide them.
[SPEAKER_02]: And it also is, is that his inclusion in this does that make you think even more that New Japan is in a real bind.
[SPEAKER_02]: If they're putting him in, like, yeah, yeah, where are we?
[SPEAKER_02]: You know what I mean?
[SPEAKER_02]: Where are we here?
[SPEAKER_02]: Like what was their option?
[SPEAKER_02]: Him or Falae?
[SPEAKER_02]: You know what I mean?
[SPEAKER_02]: Like, oh, fuck.
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, oh, oh, it's just might sound like, you might be able to turn your face it, but I was wondering if he sort of occupies a yellow space in, you know, in terms of what he's bringing to the table, where it is more about ancient and charisma and wackiness and a bit of comedy and creativity.
[SPEAKER_01]: Here are the natural meaty wrestling.
[SPEAKER_02]: I would think so.
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, I'll tell you what.
[SPEAKER_02]: His ring entrances might be longer than his matches.
[SPEAKER_02]: I think, and to me, chefs kiss on that.
[SPEAKER_02]: Let's go that route.
[SPEAKER_02]: Come out with every fucking wacky diva bully inspired outfit you can think of, dude, and keep the in-ring to a minimum.
[SPEAKER_02]: I think that's it.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think that's what we want to talk about.
[SPEAKER_01]: The routine is, what is the funny weird opening is you now rather than,
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, let's see what this fucking weirdo has got up to sleeves.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, that's exactly what it is.
[SPEAKER_02]: To me anyway, absolutely.
[SPEAKER_02]: All right, so yeah, to catch the retains.
[SPEAKER_02]: So, uh, offer one on our predictions, I guess, right?
[SPEAKER_02]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_01]: So it's from one funny weirdo to an unshoney weirdo, and then no T team actually,
[SPEAKER_01]: Jake, like Elton has my, I understand he's like banged up and I don't know how much of this is work of shooting.
[SPEAKER_01]: This is kind of rushing back from his, his illness too quickly and the fact that he's not concentrating to the two one blocks and probably, who, who's he facing in the, it's always worried, isn't it?
[SPEAKER_01]: I expect him to lose that really, so I don't think he's going to be too much.
[SPEAKER_01]: So I, I appreciate he is not at peak fitness and probably on the downswing of his career,
[SPEAKER_01]: But, Jake Lee, he just, oh, he doesn't, he doesn't, he doesn't, he doesn't, he doesn't, he doesn't, he doesn't, he doesn't like, he looks really rough like physically.
[SPEAKER_01]: He doesn't look in good shape at all to me, and I see that the gimmick that he's doing with all the, the clown stuff, the, the, the pirate jester, there's a way to master that, but it's, it's, I'm trying to think of a
[SPEAKER_02]: Like it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's,
[SPEAKER_02]: I got to come up with something, the lesson, the toll that it's going to take on my body.
[SPEAKER_02]: I guess, because, but even with that said, it's just one of those things, Joel, that he might be my least favorite.
[SPEAKER_02]: He might be my least favorite pro wrestler right now.
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, like who's joined us?
[SPEAKER_01]: What's up, buddy?
[SPEAKER_01]: Just busted open the door.
[SPEAKER_01]: What's up, Mayor Finny?
[SPEAKER_02]: Fanny Fanny Boo, but Larry, Fanny Fanny cheese steak.
[SPEAKER_02]: We like to call him.
[SPEAKER_02]: He's getting in some weight.
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh boy, he sure is.
[SPEAKER_02]: He likes to eat.
[SPEAKER_02]: This boy likes to eat.
[SPEAKER_02]: All right, you just keep it down, all right.
[SPEAKER_02]: You're not a star.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm a star of the show.
[SPEAKER_01]: All right, thank you.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm a star of show.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, you sure what?
[SPEAKER_02]: He's still here.
[SPEAKER_00]: He's looking at me like, hey, can I get some head scratches?
[SPEAKER_02]: Yes, you can.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, you can.
[SPEAKER_02]: All right.
[SPEAKER_02]: Second match.
[SPEAKER_01]: Then we heard the Special Attack match for Tai Chi and a year at one of us as your hero always actually with Junior, Tai Chi getting the pin over all the way back after 13 minutes and 15 seconds.
[SPEAKER_01]: This was really good as expected in the history and the relationships between the four wrestlers like how could it not be.
[SPEAKER_01]: I just just find it a curious choice that
[SPEAKER_01]: what that led into, or what it didn't lead into rather, and without she's omission from the G1 drive accent.
[SPEAKER_01]: You know what, in the digging that I was doing, I've found out there with that.
[SPEAKER_01]: If a lot of these guys, they don't know anything.
[SPEAKER_01]: They throw lots of the building, and a lot of those dresses found out whether or not they were going to be the G1, but they watched that fucking video.
[SPEAKER_01]: And that's who's in it.
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, I'm talking to guys saying, well, okay, I've heard this, you know, you're going to be working, this isn't like, I don't know, I genuinely don't ever have it now, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: And they say to me, it's like, you know more than I do.
[SPEAKER_01]: And then, yeah, I don't think that they're trying to dodge it or cave a bit or give me a normal answer, like they genuinely don't know.
[SPEAKER_01]: And apparently, when Tai Chi found out that he wasn't in, as he won, at this show backstage, he was pissed and like,
[SPEAKER_01]: I just, I'm repeating myself here.
[SPEAKER_01]: I just, it's copy-pacing every time this conversation comes up with that attitude.
[SPEAKER_01]: I was underutilized, and we have some questions here.
[SPEAKER_01]: So, Tarzan Boyz, since you think we see the last and easy and tight energy, well, it would have been nice to get an official last essentially like now that it's 2017.
[SPEAKER_01]: So, that both would get the prototypes there.
[SPEAKER_01]: And the JJJ starts, as I've heard that tight he doesn't like to fly if that's true, does that mean he can't be in G1's that I've interneted with dates, like, no,
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, he doesn't, he doesn't write a challenge, but he's very much wanted to be in this one.
[SPEAKER_01]: But then company hadn't put it in, and that, you know, it kind of sticks in the core a bit when you see people like Jake Lee getting to fast and maybe.
[SPEAKER_01]: Right, I can't get into what's in like, come on, can we not?
[SPEAKER_01]: Could I do certainly touching so good into you one last year?
[SPEAKER_01]: It's just one of the big disconnects for me and the value that I see in the company season here, but again, I feel like I've done this bit about 30 times, but this show over the last couple of years.
[SPEAKER_01]: But I know what it means.
[SPEAKER_01]: So they're just in strange way.
[SPEAKER_01]: Why have him pick up the fall here?
[SPEAKER_01]: If we're not doing anything with him, it's well, I know he's got this much coming up with you to ISIS, the qualifying match for D1, and that will be great, it will probably be better than most of the matches in the tournament itself, but all I can do is just fuck my shoulders and be sad and wish that they do more with this guy because he's so good, but then good match, very good segment, I liked it.
[SPEAKER_02]: like not only just
[SPEAKER_02]: him getting the win, but also, oh, no, good with my computer, please.
[SPEAKER_02]: Not only that, but like the idea of always got a fight for a spot to get in and what you said about people not knowing until they show up, I can't tell you how many guys we've talked to.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's the case, it's like they have no fucking idea and you know, maybe they just they like the idea
[SPEAKER_02]: kind of pre-planning things in their own mind, maybe, or they just don't want shit to get out, or, I mean, okay, that's fine, but it is weird that nobody knows when we say nobody, we've talked about the wrestlers themselves.
[SPEAKER_02]: I can't tell you how many times we've heard that.
[SPEAKER_02]: Um, and I think, you know, we all knew Zach was going to have a spot.
[SPEAKER_02]: So I think that was never in question, right?
[SPEAKER_02]: Um, I, my point is this, Tai Chi was always going to be on the fence.
[SPEAKER_02]: And the fact that he's even an qualifier I think is going to be fun if he makes it or not that open for debate because this company does weird things and he might very well be in it because this company does weird things that being said
[SPEAKER_02]: What is it to the take for this guy like what does this guy have to do because he just feels like he is the Yeah with all the people that we just talked about when we talk about Jake Lee and we talk about Sonata and the assumption that they're banged up and it's going to be a tough go for them to get through a G1
[SPEAKER_02]: And yet you have two guys that are like, okay, one who obviously from what you're saying is is a willing participant for sure and another guy you would think would just be a Assuming when do you think like a guy that could just fucking yes, why not, of course, he's in no no, like I don't know, I don't know, I I don't like the speed and I type it is that I want it to have
[SPEAKER_01]: some popular young wrestlers that people would be excited to buy tickets for to watch in these qualifies.
[SPEAKER_01]: Whereas if you put like green shitters like Grey O'Con and Jake Lee in qualifies spots, no one would give shit.
[SPEAKER_01]: But if I'm taking people that people that have wrestlers that has actually won't receive a G1 like Utoe Ice and O'Wa and Aaron Walsham dare, I'm going to sell
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: So we're going to sacrifice the G1 tournament and possibly the quality of the biggest thing you have going on every year, every summer for a, you know, 1,500 house.
[SPEAKER_01]: No, I was just kidding, surely, like that's me.
[SPEAKER_01]: It is inconceivable that he would lose to ELP and not be in the deal on time, that would be.
[SPEAKER_01]: But again, when you're talking about modern savings, you have to take 25% of your logical ideas and just do to confuse opposite things.
[SPEAKER_01]: But no, a part of the reason is that's just what you do, so again, we're looking at those planes, where we've got ELP tickets,
[SPEAKER_01]: Aaron Wolf against Yoshihashi Osuka, against Yudio and Yudio Osuka's Pai Chiyan.
[SPEAKER_01]: See you guys, I'll be in a switch point, guys, we'll go through.
[SPEAKER_01]: So I would say, pick before that you expect to go through, but then just reverse one of them at round, because Frank's a band.
[SPEAKER_02]: I agree.
[SPEAKER_02]: And again, there will be great matches there.
[SPEAKER_02]: Don't get me wrong.
[SPEAKER_02]: And they're exciting.
[SPEAKER_02]: The planes are always exciting.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's a great little, little wrinkle that they add to G1.
[SPEAKER_02]: The problem is is that you could seriously, the guys that aren't in.
[SPEAKER_02]: You know, you know, the guys that are already in that may have just like, honore, or O'Con, or whomever, right?
[SPEAKER_02]: That aren't, that are, that are, that are already in.
[SPEAKER_02]: They're not fighting for their, their lives to get in.
[SPEAKER_02]: Do you honestly think that if you replaced any of them, you know, with O'Con or honore, that the matches would suffer and the excitement would suffer?
[SPEAKER_01]: What you mean for the, the very two shows like the play matches.
[SPEAKER_01]: So, like, yeah, if we had a great O'Connor case, ELP or Hinarry, it gets user-o, it's not as fun.
[SPEAKER_02]: Okay, I mean, to me, I understand what you're saying when it comes to the road to shows and maybe we have a, I don't see the difference.
[SPEAKER_02]: I really don't because I think I think they would be exciting just the premise of them and I think the fans will kind of
[SPEAKER_02]: get into that, just the idea of these two guys that are in this match are fighting to get into G1.
[SPEAKER_02]: Like that's the selling point.
[SPEAKER_02]: I honestly don't think it matters who's in those spots.
[SPEAKER_02]: Those guys and the fans in the building will be there for it.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I think it's at a sacrifice of one, all right, do I not, do I have to, like, I don't know, I just feel it's weird, like there are guys that shouldn't be fighting for spots.
[SPEAKER_02]: And then there are guys, again, Jake Lee, Sonata, if we're a name and names, that if he feels like, well, why the fuck are you even in this thing?
[SPEAKER_01]: Like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like,
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, they want to put wrestlers in there that are going to get chin to that are going to have their young and hungry guys where there's going to be some baby face energy and an out of bit of struggle like they've really had to know it.
[SPEAKER_01]: And so whilst it, you know, might not be a sense to us and you know, think that those guys should be straight in.
[SPEAKER_01]: I see to logic that like I understand why those guys have been putting the planes for us.
[SPEAKER_02]: Okay, then I'll give you just a little other little taste of the argument.
[SPEAKER_02]: Sonata loses, right?
[SPEAKER_02]: Jake Lee, did Jake Lee win or lose?
[SPEAKER_02]: He lost or you won, right?
[SPEAKER_02]: He won, right?
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: Dimin, okay, all right.
[SPEAKER_02]: So one for one.
[SPEAKER_02]: Sonata loses, he's in.
[SPEAKER_02]: So what did Sonata do to earn his spot in the calendar year of
[SPEAKER_01]: Did you all see what the outfits and the entrance thing?
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, that's good point.
[SPEAKER_02]: That'll give you a hug.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's a good point, if it was G1 for seamstresses, yes, he's in.
[SPEAKER_02]: He's absolutely good.
[SPEAKER_02]: That motherfucker can so like no one else.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, like, okay, again, Jake Lee.
[SPEAKER_02]: What did Jake Lee do?
[SPEAKER_02]: He lost everything.
[SPEAKER_02]: He didn't want to fucking think, except this match apparently.
[SPEAKER_02]: I think what I wanted Jake Lee do to earn his spot in the G1.
[SPEAKER_02]: Again, we're talking keyfab.
[SPEAKER_01]: What is changing the subject completely?
[SPEAKER_01]: What if did you want to give it for Sonata?
[SPEAKER_01]: Is that each match is a different iteration of Sonata wrestling?
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, great.
[SPEAKER_01]: So like this first you one match.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's like 2016, 2017, Cole Scals Sonata with the leather jacket that stole master baseball bat.
[SPEAKER_01]: And then the second G1 match is Skull Pirate, some other with a blonde pair.
[SPEAKER_01]: Right, in each time it's different generation or some other.
[SPEAKER_01]: Great.
[SPEAKER_01]: That was that thought to me was more interesting than trying to decide what J.T.
[SPEAKER_01]: is done to us.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's what I'm saying.
[SPEAKER_01]: Right, J.T.
[SPEAKER_01]: J.T.
[SPEAKER_02]: all put in the same block, suck me, that's yeah, yeah, let's let that sink in a little bit and we'll get there, I'm sure, but yeah, let that sink in.
[SPEAKER_02]: Whatever, okay, I can't believe we're spending any amount of time talking about how can sonata get through a fucking G1 and make it somewhat entertaining.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's where we are in this world.
[SPEAKER_02]: All right, third match, go ahead, please.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, there's a fourth man, actually.
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[SPEAKER_01]: double parked outside if I like it.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I mean for the match, it says, but as soon as the match was finished, like he would not get out of his bed, I was like, hey, what does he want to do?
[SPEAKER_01]: He's stuck off the knees.
[SPEAKER_01]: He always doesn't know.
[SPEAKER_01]: It wasn't he didn't even do that during fantastic ammonia, but he's just out there.
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, what was in him?
[SPEAKER_02]: Stuff like turning the lights down to the lights off the floor.
[SPEAKER_02]: Okay, okay, okay, okay, okay, okay, okay, okay, okay, okay, okay, okay, okay, okay, okay, okay, okay, okay, okay, okay, okay, okay, okay, okay, okay, okay, okay, okay, okay, okay, okay, okay, okay, okay, okay, okay, okay, okay, okay, okay, okay, okay, okay, okay, okay, okay, okay, okay, okay, okay, okay, okay, okay, okay, okay
[SPEAKER_02]: Great, the better of the V8, the better of closing time, closing time.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, we're just standing by the exit.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's there in him.
[SPEAKER_01]: Wait, I'm just reading.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I'm guessing this is a set up to have in a rematch.
[SPEAKER_01]: Fantastic, and made it in a reader, Mechiko, where Miss Bo, we'll get it.
[SPEAKER_01]: We're back, but I'm not sure what this achieved.
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, listen, the feels like the people who benefit from this are CMLL.
[SPEAKER_02]: And again, yes, maybe a little self-indulgent, but okay.
[SPEAKER_02]: Match was, I got the answer that was a little disappointed, I thought it was going to be a little bit more.
[SPEAKER_02]: you'll see that he really is dropping like a rock.
[SPEAKER_02]: But, okay, you know, well, we'll stomach this one just so CMLL can get their, get their rematch it.
[SPEAKER_02]: It'll be great for them.
[SPEAKER_02]: All right.
[SPEAKER_02]: What's that?
[SPEAKER_01]: This is the never overweight championship, that's where Aaron was sexually defeated for a night, nine minutes, 24 seconds with an angle slam.
[SPEAKER_01]: house and torches fair.
[SPEAKER_01]: Maybe.
[SPEAKER_01]: We hope, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, they have probably, they, they, it's, it's hard and wolf wings is play or play in play off against Yoshi Hattie.
[SPEAKER_01]: He's going to be straight back in the same block as right now.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's a, it's a, it's a, it's, it's, it's like, it's like a cheap way it needs to achieve.
[SPEAKER_01]: Um, I think he's come along quite nicely.
[SPEAKER_01]: how we does in matches that I thought I can't have some grocery rest.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I mean, I think everyone was excited.
[SPEAKER_02]: One, I was a little bit shocking to, I know we're fast forwarding and rewinding, fast forwarding and rewinding.
[SPEAKER_02]: But I think a lot of people, us included, figured he was winning this title, and, okay, greatfully so, we'll, we'll, we'll forget the past couple months and move on from that, we're all
[SPEAKER_02]: him and G1 will give him ample opportunity to get more experience, singles matches, under his belt, and again, so you can just jump in at that point.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm surprised that he has been set up to be answering the B-block, because I thought it would be him going into the A-block where he would be wrestling against experience wrestlers like Takeshita and Goto and
[SPEAKER_01]: some extent to G and Sanna, and also wrestlers that he could work from below and, you know, the heel wrestler that will dominate the match and kind of cold his hand and go, I'm through it like it, a Jake Lee or a Greta Khan.
[SPEAKER_01]: So I'm very surprised, actually, that if he does win, it's quite off which on the ceremony will he's going into B-block against guys like Drilla and
[SPEAKER_01]: And then Gabe is like, that's quite surprising to me that there's a lot of really interesting and exciting opponents for him, that not to mention the guys like Show 2, Renault is actually a junior year or ever, yeah, that was him.
[SPEAKER_01]: And also I think Oscar, if possible, wins his match he'd be facing Oscar as well, so wrestling gets a lot of young foreign guys like, yeah, that
[SPEAKER_02]: correct.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I would also look, I think everyone's just excited for the fact that the possibility of just different opponents, you know, no matter that you could put anybody in there and just so it's fucking somebody different than the house of torture.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, that said it does seem like a little bit of a dare I say risky move if we're worried about him performing with guys.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's even like we, our rule forgets, head all right.
[SPEAKER_01]: What, let's stack him in it like this.
[SPEAKER_01]: Let's get him out of that.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I mean, again, we're hoping for the best here.
[SPEAKER_02]: We're, and we're seeing what can be done.
[SPEAKER_02]: And will there be a little bit of hand holding?
[SPEAKER_02]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I will also say this that, you know, you talk about guys and we're always talking about, you know, give guys the chance to fucking do shit and give guys, you know, put the fucking rocket on them and let's go and, you know, move forward, blah, blah, blah.
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, to be fair, to be fair,
[SPEAKER_02]: is first match was, you know, five months ago, six months ago, and it just reminded me like I'm I'm watching old in time wrestling from the 80s mind you and I bring up a guy like Steve Dr. Death Williams and when he started out in UWF and this is like 80, I guess the show that I just
[SPEAKER_02]: And you compare that Steve Williams, where again, everyone has him pigeonholed to be this fucking guy that can carry a promotion, and you compare that guy to, you know, the 91 92, all Japan fucking bulldozer, you know, well, okay, that's 10 years of pro wrestling that this guy did to become the Steve Williams that we all
[SPEAKER_02]: like think of.
[SPEAKER_02]: Um, and again, he's had, you know, a big run in UWF.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I guess my point is this is that, you know, six months is not a long time.
[SPEAKER_02]: Six months is not a long time.
[SPEAKER_02]: Now, again, we could speed up this process a little bit.
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, the science of hey, let's get him more experience with different guys so he can learn and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.
[SPEAKER_02]: Um,
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, we're all looking forward to that.
[SPEAKER_02]: We want to see what we got.
[SPEAKER_02]: But to be fair, six months, six months.
[SPEAKER_02]: So as much as we want him to, the young bud to blossom and grow, six months, it's not a long time.
[SPEAKER_01]: Sorry, I was on mute.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, so SIG match was the IWGP tag team championship match with a greater fund and Hennai to think Oscar and Hito Ice 21 minutes 30 seconds.
[SPEAKER_01]: Wow, great fund.
[SPEAKER_01]: Really good match.
[SPEAKER_01]: It was almost like a like a handy cap match.
[SPEAKER_01]: There was not a lot of great equipment and I think the match was all the better for it.
[SPEAKER_01]: It did seem to mainly revolve around interactions between UTO and Hennari, which were really good.
[SPEAKER_01]: they would be in the same G1 block, but they're not.
[SPEAKER_01]: They're going to be assuming that you to get through.
[SPEAKER_01]: They're going to be on set for blocks, which is an interesting choice.
[SPEAKER_01]: But I don't, I don't necessarily have a problem with knockout brothers losing the titles here, because they can't hold them for effort.
[SPEAKER_01]: They've been in a decent at some point and want to see how they do in a role of tasers and you could build some interesting stories out of that.
[SPEAKER_01]: necessarily have been my choice to be the ones to dethrone them, but I can see the value of that and maybe having them sort of like the heel-leaning team that they have to try and get revenge on and redeem themselves.
[SPEAKER_01]: I also think there's an interesting story to be told with Oscar and Utah finding themselves and navigating the waters as single wrestlers.
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, yeah, they're an elite tag team.
[SPEAKER_01]: but now having the doubt on uncertainty of losing their belts and now being separate, it doesn't seem to have to prove their metal as singles guys, which they've not done, I mean, I think they had matches in the New Japan part, but I don't I can't remember trying the one in matches, I think they would eliminate three early on in the tournament.
[SPEAKER_01]: So yeah, that's an interesting development in their narrative arc as singles wrestlers,
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm assuming both guys are going to go in and they will have a chance to wrestle against these guys so it will be what Oscar wrestling against NRA in the B-block and greater con wrestling against Newton Ice in the A-block, which can then set that redempting story emotion just look the only thing that
[SPEAKER_01]: Pistly off here was Craig O'Parn being a double champion and going straight into the D1 pilot that's when I've never seen a wrestler as I've physically checked that as him like he just does not give a fuck anymore and I mean like is this just some kiddinies last fuck you to the company before he Yeah, right it is really to be shooting so I don't know it's hard to interpret it any other way, but it's just that's what wise me up when I see
[SPEAKER_01]: you know guys like Tai Chi having to miss out with you while when a guy he looks like he doesn't want to be there going straight in that's that's what annoys me so I'm not actually bothered about knockout brothers losing it's all great Ocon winning and being in to G1 but that's not set me here.
[SPEAKER_02]: Joel I can't believe that this respect you have for a guy who was the best performer for the past five years in G1 right
[SPEAKER_01]: I can't believe you would, you would, you would, you would, you would, you would, you would, you would, you would, you would, you would, you would, you would, you would, you would, you would, you would, you would, you would, you would, you would, you would, you would, you would, you would, you would, you would, you would, you would, you would, you would, you would, you would, you would, you would, you would, you would, you would, you would, you would, you would, you would, you would, you would, you would, you would, you would, you would, you would, you would, you would, you would, you would, you would, you would, you would, you would, you would, you would, you would, you would, you would, you would, you would, you would, you would, you would, you would, you would, you would, you would, you would, you would,
[SPEAKER_01]: just latch on to like absolutely shit house wrestlers.
[SPEAKER_01]: You've got no value, but somehow be absolutely right or die with it and come up with a most like de-range analysis of why it's so great.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like the child needs people like that.
[SPEAKER_02]: Joe, you know I love to render out.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I think they have two albums that are some of my favorite of all time, right?
[SPEAKER_02]: But to sit there and tell you that there, that would be the equivalent of me saying, Durander ends the greatest rock and roll band of all time.
[SPEAKER_02]: What?
[SPEAKER_02]: No, it's preposterous.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, again, you can like something.
[SPEAKER_02]: Doesn't mean that it's the greatest performer, or one of the great, what was the lie, I don't even know, was like something to between the greatest G1 or like, okay, wow, we're watching the different fucking show, I guess, but okay, but good for you.
[SPEAKER_02]: Could this be a situation where by some weird thinking of New Japan, that they wanted to get the titles, first of all, do you think that either of these teams are going to be over 500 or under 500 when it comes to wins?
[SPEAKER_01]: Um, everyone is going to end on the exact same number points of the, that, you know, either rental 10 points or eight points for the last, oh, that's how we do that's a good point.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's a good point.
[SPEAKER_02]: But I would, I'm, I'm thinking out loud in the sense of, I would think a lot of these both all for them would probably be in, if you, if you're, if you're asking me to put some money down some shackles down, they would probably look in at guys that are losing more than they're winning, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: Um, can I just sort of check in with you first before you extend that thought?
[SPEAKER_01]: Do you think Oscar and Utah are both going into the G1 to write max?
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, is there a chance that they maybe not?
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know if that's high on their own supply and the company might be sort of taking them down of cable to it.
[SPEAKER_01]: So no, you're not at that level yet as singles guys.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like we could.
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_01]: Right.
[SPEAKER_01]: You'll notice we would be Ugero and Tai Chi.
[SPEAKER_01]: They're going into the G1.
[SPEAKER_02]: So I think Tai Chi, so we're taking it for granted.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think she's in, so you think, yep.
[SPEAKER_01]: So you think you twice is not in the G1 partners.
[SPEAKER_02]: Correct.
[SPEAKER_02]: Wow.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: No, no.
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, it may be somebody's hurt.
[SPEAKER_02]: Maybe somebody has overseas commitments.
[SPEAKER_02]: Maybe whatever the case may be.
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't know, but yeah, let's put this right of maybe they want to protect them.
[SPEAKER_02]: Maybe they don't want that guy losing so often.
[SPEAKER_02]: And they're like, all right, Tai Chi's in, we'll fucking put him in.
[SPEAKER_02]: You know, like they're going to sacrifice you to ice, maybe they think, Kylie of them, and they don't want them to lose more than not.
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't know, is that they're okay with Tai Chi taking more pinfalls.
[SPEAKER_02]: Like, somebody's got to lose in his fucking tournament, right?
[SPEAKER_02]: Like it's just a nature of the beast.
[SPEAKER_02]: Somebody's got a lose.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I think maybe they're more comfortable with Tai Chi lose.
[SPEAKER_02]: Who knows?
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't think it's a slam dunk that both guys are in.
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't.
[SPEAKER_02]: And again, if you put the Super JKS branded gun to my head, I wouldn't be surprised if you to ISIS the guy that's sitting on the sidelines for whatever reason.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I mean, I thought that would upset quite a lot of people.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think there would be uproar if you guys did not make this you on quite a much hype.
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, personally, I think if you've got exciting young wrestlers, you want them to get the rest in you, want them to be in things like the G1 Paramax so they can experience what end is like working against all those different guys?
[SPEAKER_01]: Because that's how these wrestlers improve.
[SPEAKER_01]: baffling to not put the means of the company.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, I do also accept the perspective that I understand they've got ego on them, which is not necessarily a bad thing.
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, I think that it wouldn't, I think it would help some of these Nigerian wrestlers have a bit more ego, a bit more confidence, and believe her, and I've been not just
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, to say, if guys like you or I would take a leave out of Oscar Newton's work and just believe it in sales a bit, we'll have a bit more confidence in the slag or an arrogance, it might not be a bad thing, but I agree, I don't, I don't, I don't to get a slam dunk that both knock out brothers are in, I don't think it's a slam
[SPEAKER_01]: as a tag team.
[SPEAKER_01]: What is that?
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know what the answer is.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm curious, but they've been given great spots in high states, matches against excellent opposition, and they've given lots of time to work, which has absolutely been to their benefit.
[SPEAKER_02]: But then why not keep a mischampion?
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, because you got a software, this is part of the story of the music band, isn't it?
[SPEAKER_02]: Okay, so again, we're making them suffer.
[SPEAKER_02]: Um, and we're putting in O'Con.
[SPEAKER_02]: Again, are you will believe the greatest G1 performer in the past five years?
[SPEAKER_02]: Um, and Hanoi, who, again, I really like, but, and I think the matches will be great.
[SPEAKER_02]: But, okay, he's in.
[SPEAKER_02]: Um, we're doing a title change.
[SPEAKER_02]: We're doing it there.
[SPEAKER_02]: And now we have a team.
[SPEAKER_02]: And again, the rules were, hey, whoever won this match
[SPEAKER_02]: But they didn't have to, you know what I mean?
[SPEAKER_02]: Like, they did this for a reason.
[SPEAKER_02]: They did this for a purpose.
[SPEAKER_02]: And we have the team that was dominant, like the entirety of the year didn't mean anything.
[SPEAKER_02]: They lost the match.
[SPEAKER_02]: So now they have the fight to get in, which makes no sense because the team that got the win, okay, they got one win and how many tries, how many tries, more than one, right?
[SPEAKER_02]: Um, they're in slam dunk.
[SPEAKER_02]: They're in and the team that has been dominant, the entire calendar year had one fumble and now they're fighting for their lives to get in.
[SPEAKER_02]: And we know New Japan, one of those two is not getting in.
[SPEAKER_02]: One of those two is not getting in.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm not on mute, I just thought, I don't know what was what's about.
[SPEAKER_01]: I just, I think they'd vote at the end.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I know you're right, okay.
[SPEAKER_01]: Again, we have to apply the New Japan Booking Logic, where I have to take one of the things I'm absolutely certain about and just reverse it, because I'm doing a few weird things.
[SPEAKER_01]: Maybe this is it.
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't see it though, I think it's if you ask me today, I can't see them not being in it.
[SPEAKER_02]: I let me ask you another question them, in this tournament of the people that were announced, not to say that you need it, not to say that it has to, you have to fill this fucking role.
[SPEAKER_02]: But who's the big man in this tournament?
[SPEAKER_02]: And what says big man was the father, the kind of guy that can, can, can, can, can,
[SPEAKER_02]: perform in a manner to make him be a little bit more menacing than probably physically, uh, he is capable of doing.
[SPEAKER_02]: Uh, and all right.
[SPEAKER_02]: Again, and all right, is not a monster.
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, Luke.
[SPEAKER_02]: Uh, he's a bull.
[SPEAKER_02]: Is he a monster?
[SPEAKER_02]: Again, I'm not saying you need it, but he, but what, what?
[SPEAKER_02]: the element that he adds is a guy with size and a guy who's, you know, a little stands out a little bit different from from the pack.
[SPEAKER_02]: And that's not to say that you to ice doesn't stand out.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm just saying that just as a different element.
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't know.
[SPEAKER_02]: I look, I don't know nothing, but I really feel like, okay, we know New Japan.
[SPEAKER_02]: And rarely do they do things where it's like, well, yeah, that's a slam dunk.
[SPEAKER_02]: No.
[SPEAKER_02]: And it's never the case.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I just got a bad feeling that one of the two is not getting him.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, let's go to the next match, which was the RWGP Global Heavyweight Championship.
[SPEAKER_01]: Three way match.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, I showed you even when I won his first championship in New Japan for wrestling.
[SPEAKER_01]: Again, it's adrenaline-only and I'm driving it.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'll eat a looser, show you to a pinned and drive a 16-witz 20 seconds after a second chapter.
[SPEAKER_01]: Very very good match.
[SPEAKER_01]: I was really impressed.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's just full-school action, intensity, creativity, some really nice, dangerous spots.
[SPEAKER_01]: I thought they did tremendously well and avoided a lot of usual tropes of a three-way match.
[SPEAKER_01]: With one guy having to nap on the outside and, you know, fair farts that I'm driving, taking that pin.
[SPEAKER_01]: losing the belt because I figured out the three-way stipulation was there as a vehicle for undriving to lose the belt, but not get-pins, but that's not what happened in the end, but it was quite a curious end to the match, because this is a long-term storyline that I've been built up with showed to Umello where he's never won anything.
[SPEAKER_01]: He's not won any titles in New Japan for arresting, it's become like this specialist in
[SPEAKER_01]: He finally wins a title and a fairly prestigious one.
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, it's the second most prestigious English title in the company.
[SPEAKER_01]: So I'm not going to turn away to the fact that it's not the big boy belt.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think the global need something at least.
[SPEAKER_01]: But rather than it being this celebratory moment for show to me, yes, he's finally done.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's finally won a championship against top quality opposition.
[SPEAKER_01]: The way it was framed, even like the actual finish itself, where we had Drilla Maloney, who as the match went on, the fans were getting more and more invested in him.
[SPEAKER_01]: And by the end of it, Osaka was just like Ride or Die, with Drilla Maloney in a way that really surprised me.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's, they must have been aware of it as well because it was booked in a way where when Shota was pinning on dry days for that to slice a pinfall, Drilla was like running in to make the saving just barely missed it.
[SPEAKER_01]: It was about to break up the pinfall, but it just couldn't get there in time.
[SPEAKER_01]: So it, it was framed more like an agonizing near miss for Drilla rather than
[SPEAKER_01]: and then the post-match it just seems like to focus on drilling maloney and there was a lot of, you know, post-ups of him looking really upset and dejected for inside of the fans where world affected that as well emotionally.
[SPEAKER_01]: And it was all about, ah, feeling...
[SPEAKER_01]: didn't manage to get it done rather than a ray of shelter.
[SPEAKER_01]: And then that getting over shut up even further, if I gave kids during the run, and making it all of that gave kids, and it seemed like all the focus on thriller and gay kids were as shows that actually winning a title felt like an afterthought.
[SPEAKER_01]: It was very strange, a little bit.
[SPEAKER_02]: And maybe they didn't want to do that.
[SPEAKER_02]: Osaka does have a bit of a reputation of being a crowd that will vocalize their displeasure at certain wrestlers.
[SPEAKER_02]: And maybe they didn't feel like they could get out of there alive by doing the normal celebratory, you know, let's,
[SPEAKER_02]: shoot off some streamers and all that shit, yeah, it was, it was almost as if it was a title win and we're going to shift focus real quick to, to, again, again, to trying to set up an angle, to trying to set up a program, to trying to get Gabe kid back into the mix, so to speak.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, it did, it did feel like they were, that, that was intentional, you know, it really felt like that was intentional because you're right, you could kind of feel the crowd moment, I'm going drooling and again, the best sitting there watching it.
[SPEAKER_02]: The best explanation in my head I could come up with is it does feel like they just wanted to get out of there.
[SPEAKER_02]: You know, obviously he's he's your new global champion, but they didn't want to really harp on that in that building with those fans because if he got on the mic, Joel, do you think the fans would be right there with him clapping along and fucking, I think that would be an incredibly awkward moment for not only him, but the company itself.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, possibly, and there were definitely some views for Shota, but I interpreted that more as
[SPEAKER_01]: we really like drill a want driller to win rather than outright rejection of show to him, but yeah, you could be right, because they're tough, but they just didn't want to fly back.
[SPEAKER_01]: They didn't want to test back to its limits, so they're just fine.
[SPEAKER_01]: OK, OK, yeah, so this is my book.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, two of a sudden, don't look, they can see it.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, they can see it.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, shifting focus from that.
[SPEAKER_01]: And yeah, like the lasting image for show to him, rather than this moment of triumph was him,
[SPEAKER_01]: Right, phenomenally wiping gay kids saliva, awesome sunlight mark in the end of the race.
[SPEAKER_01]: Exactly.
[SPEAKER_01]: Great.
[SPEAKER_01]: He's playing janitor role.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, well, you surprised by the response to dribbler and how popular he seems now.
[SPEAKER_01]: And like, is that change your view on what is sealing white people?
[SPEAKER_01]: Because it seems like ever since he did that program in the ring where he declared that he was stepping.
[SPEAKER_01]: That seems to brought him a tremendous amount of goodwill with the fans and not just that, but obviously they're enjoying this wrestling and something about his character is resonating and she's sharing a bit of depth and complexity to the character where there is a bit of doubt and uncertainty rather than the
[SPEAKER_02]: I think the company's invested in them.
[SPEAKER_02]: I think the company is willing to see what they got with them.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I think everyone can appreciate that.
[SPEAKER_02]: Um, I don't know and again, maybe I'm giving Osaka too much credit in this, um, I don't I think if anybody was in that ring, they would have cheered that guy.
[SPEAKER_02]: Like you have a guy who's, you know, feels like is AEW.
[SPEAKER_02]: So he's not, you know, 100% New Japan.
[SPEAKER_02]: So okay, there's going to be a little bit of
[SPEAKER_02]: You know, that crowd is not, you know, they're weird.
[SPEAKER_02]: Not weird, but they're, they're fickle.
[SPEAKER_02]: Should I say?
[SPEAKER_02]: Again, I don't know if it's a case of it could have been anybody at in that spot and they would arouse behind him, but again, it does does coincide with the company, at least feeling like the company has a lot of confidence in him, and they're willing to give him a shot.
[SPEAKER_02]: So I think it's a combination of all that.
[SPEAKER_02]: Be quick honest with you.
[SPEAKER_01]: question is from Adam, he says, how long do you think showed to hold onto the global head to wake up before getting those booking strikes again?
[SPEAKER_01]: As a piggyback of Adam's question, I thought showed to was possibly one of if a lot of these favourites will win the D1 climax, does that change for you now back in the global champion?
[SPEAKER_02]: It does a little bit.
[SPEAKER_02]: It feels like champions are there to set up programs after G1.
[SPEAKER_02]: And again, it doesn't necessarily mean that this will be the case this year, but it does feel like if you have a title, you're not there to win it, you're there to set up programs.
[SPEAKER_02]: Again, we could talk about Okada and all that stuff, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I think it does.
[SPEAKER_02]: I do, um, how long will he hold it?
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, I mean, he's definitely making it out of the summer.
[SPEAKER_02]: That was by that way.
[SPEAKER_02]: He might hold it to a rest of Kingdom, probably.
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, I give him the benefit of that.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'll hold it.
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, I don't know.
[SPEAKER_02]: Will he, six months is a long time.
[SPEAKER_02]: Six months is a long time.
[SPEAKER_02]: In this case, I'm going to go, is a long time.
[SPEAKER_02]: Um, now he won't hold it.
[SPEAKER_01]: It is maybe value in him
[SPEAKER_01]: the global gimmick of the global title, like he's definitely against the past the park and maybe that's his thing.
[SPEAKER_01]: He keeps traveling abroad to the US and the UK and the global title against other people like that.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, there's something there, I think.
[SPEAKER_02]: I think something that I would say.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, but I think the idea of him winning G1 might be a little bit in question.
[SPEAKER_02]: Does he have to, we're all waiting for the day when he's headlining Russell Kingdom again.
[SPEAKER_02]: He doesn't have to headline it this year.
[SPEAKER_02]: He could, he could semi-main, right, defending the global championship against someone.
[SPEAKER_02]: You know, we're all waiting for a good new Japan
[SPEAKER_02]: long time rival feud, maybe it kicks off there.
[SPEAKER_02]: It doesn't have to be for the world title main event spot.
[SPEAKER_02]: It could be a second every match, semi main event, maybe that's it.
[SPEAKER_02]: Maybe that's what we're looking at right here.
[SPEAKER_02]: So in the same breath I'm saying he's not going to win or he's not going to keep the title until Russell kingdom.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, he may very well.
[SPEAKER_02]: And then now there's the beginning of the
[SPEAKER_02]: long time rivalry that we're all looking for for what did you think of the date is you know it's we've seen a lot of that it's he's fuck new Japan and you know again he's playing a role we all
[SPEAKER_02]: I, I, for me, gave kids kind of like, it's, it's worn off in me big time, it's, you know, he's a safe choice.
[SPEAKER_02]: He's a safe, he's a safe, he's a safe feud.
[SPEAKER_02]: And you can, you can kind of tap into that.
[SPEAKER_02]: Okay, show to his, your new Japan guy, defending the honor of the company's wife and spit off the
[SPEAKER_02]: Okay, maybe that's another thing and the feather must cap to say, okay, you know, another reason why I've the fan might get behind them and quite honestly, I think that's what we're all looking for is to get that groundswell of Because I don't think he's a bad wrestler I really don't.
[SPEAKER_02]: Um, again, we talked about him months about what we thought the issues were.
[SPEAKER_02]: Um, I don't think he's a bad wrestler.
[SPEAKER_02]: I just think that
[SPEAKER_02]: You know, he needs something and he's at and gay kids right now is an easy guy to get sympathy for or, you know, face versus you know, he's a guy that's going to whoever his opponent is is going to get sympathy in a new Japan pro wrestling.
[SPEAKER_02]: Right.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, like like you don't really understand the stuff excited about it.
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know the problem with him being in the G one because he missed out.
[SPEAKER_01]: guys like Shota, and you, your drummer, Henare, possibly Oscar, Zach Saber, you know, I think yeah the Henare is going to be fun.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, they should be really good matches, I think so.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, given it given the history.
[SPEAKER_01]: Right.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's going to be fun.
[SPEAKER_02]: Seriously, that's going to be a fun fucking match.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, so what I don't have much interest in gay kid as a character.
[SPEAKER_01]: him narcissist me.
[SPEAKER_02]: I think just he says that the belt's belt is so good shit that impossible the possibilities are there again the idea of him and Hilaria again.
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean I think people are sleeping on that that's going to be fun.
[SPEAKER_02]: That those two guys those two fucking guys like that that like circle that circle whatever that fucking matches Make sure you're waking up set your alarms because Yeah, that should be that should be really fun that that match could shave years again Not that they haven't already shaved years off their careers by wrestling each other.
[SPEAKER_02]: That could be another example of another year shaved off a career Yeah, that circle that one
[SPEAKER_01]: essentially Jimmy Gibbs Oscar.
[SPEAKER_01]: So it's for the promo, is this muffin else?
[SPEAKER_01]: I want to hear the match.
[SPEAKER_01]: Shit talk.
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, so moving on, H match was the idea of a GP2, you have a way of championship, where the best in Super Junior winner and the challenge at Yo defeat at the champion.
[SPEAKER_01]: So Yo becomes the 100th junior heavyweight champion at 17 minutes, 50th ever seconds via direct drive.
[SPEAKER_02]: This was not a bad, yo match at all.
[SPEAKER_02]: I actually thought it was pretty good.
[SPEAKER_02]: Again, yo, the character does Zilt Show for me.
[SPEAKER_02]: I just, you know, he, it's hard for me to get an emotional attachment to him.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I think that a lot of times you want that.
[SPEAKER_02]: And at least, you know, in pro wrestling, you can get that even if you have no emotional connection
[SPEAKER_02]: Doring a match, you can get into it.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I would say up into this point, it's been even difficult for me to do that.
[SPEAKER_02]: I do think in this match he was getting there.
[SPEAKER_02]: Like he was, he was in route to that.
[SPEAKER_02]: The fan, look, name me a guy who's more over right now in New Japan per wrestling than, yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: I feel like he's a guy that at the very least the crowds are into, he may not be my cup of tea, but I can't sit there in hand wave and say that people aren't into him for whatever goofy reason that might be, like they're into him, and I think everyone's thrilled that at least
[SPEAKER_02]: Um, he's not a bad wrestler.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's just again.
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't necessarily think that he's for me.
[SPEAKER_02]: Um, and proof is in the pudding by his, uh, performance as well as the day after, what was the, what was he in it?
[SPEAKER_02]: Like I describe that for me, Joel.
[SPEAKER_02]: What was, what the fuck was he wearing?
[SPEAKER_01]: Um, he had to turn on the pants as it was wearing like a kind of man teeny.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and yeah, I'm like I said it.
[SPEAKER_01]: the match was that he was they were blind-soldier and just trying to shut each other's heads up each other's asses.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Come on, just see this and I get fingerwags for saying he's through Joshy Bates.
[SPEAKER_02]: right right look can we just and just let's just lay it on the line here if the guy wants to do soft core pornography think let him do it because it feels like they're talking to him but let's just call me what it is.
[SPEAKER_02]: Just be honest about that yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I mean, it's, I think that's what it is, there's, you know, there are a billion pro wrestling gimmicks.
[SPEAKER_02]: The hottest pro wrestler on God's Green Earth right now is a guy who's across between Conan O'Brien and fucking Dracula, right?
[SPEAKER_02]: What are you going to do?
[SPEAKER_02]: It's, it is what it is.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's it for me, not particularly now, but yeah, that's what it is.
[SPEAKER_02]: Let's just make it happen.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, just just bang somebody, just bang a guy in the way.
[SPEAKER_02]: Just do it.
[SPEAKER_02]: Make yourself happy.
[SPEAKER_02]: Just fucking hard, hard.
[SPEAKER_02]: All right, yeah, he won the title.
[SPEAKER_02]: Great.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, sure.
[SPEAKER_01]: Right, I honestly don't have anything else to have.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm glad that he won.
[SPEAKER_01]: He's a nice moment.
[SPEAKER_01]: He deserves it.
[SPEAKER_01]: I hope his fans are very happy and I'm glad that talk is not a champion anymore.
[SPEAKER_01]: We've been on to some sort of wacky, four-way, number one contendership scenario, at least say.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, this is the interesting to see this type of being taken in a different direction.
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, I think I was justified in what said last week about the clutch of his super genius pilot in copying other people who's being unsustainable and you can't do that in every
[SPEAKER_01]: Obviously, the still had his fans in the squad.
[SPEAKER_01]: It was noticeably less and less and less and be milder response that it was at that final, which led to a bit expected given the context.
[SPEAKER_01]: But yeah, absolutely fine.
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know if that really comes with Cecil.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's very fun to the main event, which was the RWTP, the HWT Championship, much.
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, to suit you to fate and be championed, Kalan Newman.
[SPEAKER_01]: 24 minutes, 30 seconds via, which is Jean Bluff.
[SPEAKER_01]: It wasn't a Jean Bluff.
[SPEAKER_01]: It was a different move, wasn't it?
[SPEAKER_01]: It was a fireblaster.
[SPEAKER_01]: What did you think of Yotisooji's new interest reason?
[SPEAKER_01]: Because I, I, I had a lot of people saying they really liked it.
[SPEAKER_01]: Do I think it was a theme that was an appropriate song for a championship progress that no I don't?
[SPEAKER_01]: Do I think it was
[SPEAKER_01]: No, I don't, I dislike it on all levels, tell you what you think of the music.
[SPEAKER_02]: It didn't bother me, like I just noticed that it was different.
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, I'll sit here and be honest 100%, I couldn't hum it right now if you paid me a million dollars.
[SPEAKER_02]: That being said, it wasn't like, what the, you know, it wasn't like I was throwing my remote
[SPEAKER_02]: Um, you, you obviously fucking thumbs down that, um, what, what, what was it that fucking got you going?
[SPEAKER_01]: That was just like a pop song.
[SPEAKER_01]: We didn't seem to be for the prize fighter, you know, wrestling match.
[SPEAKER_02]: Maybe you listen to tap this toe before it goes on, you know, you know, like a little toe tapping.
[SPEAKER_02]: Huh?
[SPEAKER_02]: Come on.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, it was a little bit, yeah, a little bit out there, but okay, you know, I mean, is that official that that's his new entrance or is that which is the one one off thing?
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't know, maybe I'll listen a little bit more intently next time.
[SPEAKER_01]: Let me go.
[SPEAKER_02]: Go back and watch just that just because I honestly didn't phase me one way or the other, they've really done.
[SPEAKER_01]: I thought the match was really.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think I enjoyed it slightly less
[SPEAKER_01]: It's average Genesis one.
[SPEAKER_01]: I appreciated that there was a kind of energy to it, not dissimilar to Kenny versus my toe matches, and then they'd go in up there, just kind of killed themselves and killed each other.
[SPEAKER_01]: They would do some really crazy death bumps.
[SPEAKER_01]: So I appreciated that, like they were really going all the way out to try and make it a spectacle.
[SPEAKER_01]: But I've heard that's Callum Newman,
[SPEAKER_01]: Um, like a belly to belly suplex on the turn buckle and then he had it really nasty landing and then there was a lot of talking between him and Red Shoes and and after that, they seem to accelerate straight to the finish.
[SPEAKER_01]: So I wonder if they had plans to go a bit longer and do more stuff and just, you know, it was a quick check in the UK to finish the match.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I'll power through it and they just went straight to finish and
[SPEAKER_01]: go out there and perhaps that hurt the matches as a result.
[SPEAKER_01]: It felt like it, yeah, it did quite abruptly look, yeah, I've put that on to the injury.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, yeah, it felt like there was an audible, you know, I could be wrong, but it did, that finish did kind of, um,
[SPEAKER_02]: just happen.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I don't know if I was sitting there waiting for the traditional big build finish that New Japan is pretty infamous for.
[SPEAKER_02]: You knew he was hurt.
[SPEAKER_02]: So yeah, it maybe this was just a bit of an audible and they just went to the finish to just to do the finish.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, you're right.
[SPEAKER_02]: I listen, I got to give him credit in the sense that
[SPEAKER_02]: I felt like they tried to do new things, I felt like they tried to do some creative stuff.
[SPEAKER_02]: It was good.
[SPEAKER_02]: I will see this though.
[SPEAKER_02]: And...
[SPEAKER_02]: I understand why we're back to Suji and let's be honest here, it felt like we never really left Suji.
[SPEAKER_02]: We were always there and we just helped elevate Kalam Numan.
[SPEAKER_02]: And again, who knows where Kalam's going injury wise and angles wise with the kingdom and all that stuff?
[SPEAKER_02]: Do you have any concern at all with Yota Suji
[SPEAKER_02]: I should jump in, especially on top as your champion.
[SPEAKER_02]: I do, I gotta be honest with you.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, you think he's got some limitations.
[SPEAKER_02]: A little bit, a little bit.
[SPEAKER_02]: And that might just be, we haven't seen the full form yet.
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, that being said, he's now a two-time champion.
[SPEAKER_02]: I think there's more to him that even he might realize right now, I do, I think he's gifted physically.
[SPEAKER_02]: I think he's a very good pro wrestler.
[SPEAKER_02]: I guess I could serve as this.
[SPEAKER_02]: We've had a lot of really good match.
[SPEAKER_02]: Again, maybe this is just the error we're in.
[SPEAKER_02]: And maybe this is just work-impaaring, or at least I'm comparing, previous champions.
[SPEAKER_02]: I just don't feel that, I feel like he has good matches.
[SPEAKER_02]: But would you say that they're physically hard-hitting, uh, just, uh, again, physical, battle, pro wrestling matches that we've seen in the past, would you, would you put any of his matches in that category?
[SPEAKER_01]: particularly much wasn't and this one was getting there but then ended abruptly.
[SPEAKER_01]: I see what you're getting at and I think I judge you know to see as a champion against the rest of the New Japan roster.
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't want to judge him against like prime
[SPEAKER_01]: or harder and try and night out and turn a hashy and immerse and operate a group like that.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think comparing him against that golden era, that incredible loss that we had is not helpful.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's pointless.
[SPEAKER_01]: So when you ask me, okay, do I think he's the guy basically?
[SPEAKER_01]: Who else is there?
[SPEAKER_01]: Do I think he's the right guy for now?
[SPEAKER_01]: But I'm hoping that in the future, maybe the near future or the just a few two, you know, that there's some little sort of the roster who can do that better than he can.
[SPEAKER_01]: For the moment, I don't think there's anyone else at that level.
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_01]: Do you think, and again, we,
[SPEAKER_02]: It's probably wrong for us to do, but we compare all the time, you know, what was better this or that?
[SPEAKER_02]: That era, that year, that champion, that this champion, all of that.
[SPEAKER_02]: Do you think that there is a conscious effort with New Japan pro wrestling to separate themselves from that era and to say, hey, you know what, that was a very physically demanding time.
[SPEAKER_02]: in a history of progress like.
[SPEAKER_02]: Do you think they're they're intentionally separating themselves from that with the way that matches and especially main of it matches are structured or do you think that hey these are just the cards that we've been dealt with and we're making the most of the situation?
[SPEAKER_01]: I think it's more the latter I think this is this is just what the
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't think there's any intentionality behind it.
[SPEAKER_01]: This is just what's happened.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_02]: Then what do you think is the best remedy to focus on the now as opposed to comparing it to the past?
[SPEAKER_02]: Because, as they say, what is it?
[SPEAKER_02]: Comparison is the, what's the same, Joel?
[SPEAKER_02]: Come on, you know what?
[SPEAKER_02]: It's a good job.
[SPEAKER_02]: Think of joy.
[SPEAKER_02]: uh... we like joy uh... maybe that's a me thing is it is in us thing maybe it's a me thing maybe i'm wanting and not appreciating what i got okay i can learn from this thank you everyone make me a better person yeah it's not just yeah i mean i think significant majority of
[SPEAKER_01]: fans or former fans of New Japan, their primary criticism of the product now is that it's not, as good as it was, you know, seven, eight years ago.
[SPEAKER_01]: And yeah, it is a, but I would prefer to criticize New Japan on its own terms, the things that they can control and believe me,
[SPEAKER_01]: being like, oh, this was good as it wasn't 2017.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's to me that there's no value in that.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's that.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's 10 years on.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's a decade ago.
[SPEAKER_02]: You know, I know, I and I'm guilty of it.
[SPEAKER_02]: But again, it's a decade ago, like take any wrestling promotion and take it out in a moment in time and then go 10 years previous.
[SPEAKER_02]: I doubt that you're going to, you know,
[SPEAKER_02]: whatever boy again.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, 10 year.
[SPEAKER_02]: All right.
[SPEAKER_02]: Um, you're too sugy.
[SPEAKER_02]: Do you see him as your g1 winner?
[SPEAKER_01]: No, no, no, that is the champion.
[SPEAKER_01]: Because what that means is that.
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, they usually don't do that.
[SPEAKER_02]: I can't say they never done that, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: Um, I don't know.
[SPEAKER_02]: I, he's probably the best guy you've got to win it.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I agree.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think he's the guy who is where they need him to be right now.
[SPEAKER_02]: I agree.
[SPEAKER_02]: All right, fingers crossed.
[SPEAKER_02]: We're back with Yota Suji.
[SPEAKER_01]: So, and again, I kind of feel like we never really left.
[SPEAKER_02]: But I know there are a lot of people happy with that, the idea of Calvin losing the hated Calvin as a champion.
[SPEAKER_02]: They never wanted it.
[SPEAKER_02]: I think that was unfair.
[SPEAKER_02]: But yeah, I mean, they're very complete with that.
[SPEAKER_01]: It was just absolutely classic ghetto booking
[SPEAKER_01]: winning you to park off, winning the fell, having a couple of coffee with it, and then leasing it, it's throw it back.
[SPEAKER_01]: It was just, and it's not that I think, tell them, that's the story.
[SPEAKER_01]: It should have continued as champion into D1, but it's just like, this, this trophy game.
[SPEAKER_02]: Right, it's, I mean, listen, we previewed this show.
[SPEAKER_02]: We were all like, yeah, he's winning.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I don't even, they do as much discussion.
[SPEAKER_02]: It was just like, yeah, I think he's won.
[SPEAKER_02]: Again, I know that there was a title change, but there was a moment where you felt this United Kingdom thing coming together.
[SPEAKER_02]: And yeah, that's it, Kingdom, you know, you may have ever hear it, yeah, you know, we're trying to say, because I can't get it out of my dumb fucking marshmallow.
[SPEAKER_01]: All right, very good.
[SPEAKER_01]: Dara says how working field companies direct to the shits is wrestling kingdom.
[SPEAKER_01]: How could they have capitalised better?
[SPEAKER_01]: How would that have genuinely forced what were their greatest successes?
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, I think Calon was a success.
[SPEAKER_02]: I really do.
[SPEAKER_02]: Taking a guy who you couldn't find on the milk carton and then making him a legitimate threat, giving him the huge pancup and then the cup of coffee with the title that they do.
[SPEAKER_02]: But they still made a guy that, and I think who did it a remarkable job,
[SPEAKER_02]: making himself, and a faction that felt dead in the fucking water, and making it seem exciting to a certain degree, and a legitimate threat for a world title.
[SPEAKER_02]: I think that was a plus.
[SPEAKER_02]: I will also go so far as to say this.
[SPEAKER_02]: I think what they, well, I think knockout brothers have been
[SPEAKER_02]: with those pocket of teams has actually been really fun.
[SPEAKER_02]: I've enjoyed that tremendously.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think the... You know, I think talking you say yo has been a success as much as like... You have to care for him.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think it's been very well executed.
[SPEAKER_01]: Absolutely, yeah, I would agree with that.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yes, 100%.
[SPEAKER_02]: We're have they fumbled.
[SPEAKER_02]: Well,
[SPEAKER_02]: In the same breath of making a star out of Kalam Newman, again, I felt like Suji did kind of lose a little steam in the, you know, March, April, May, months.
[SPEAKER_01]: Um, maybe J. Lee wasn't the best depot that I have ever been.
[SPEAKER_01]: Thank you.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: Thank you.
[SPEAKER_01]: But Aaron Wolfei, again, I understand the criticism of the people have about dumping him with House of Torture.
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't necessarily think if you paired him up with very intense work for 80 wrestlers, you know, like a shingo or a inaugural, whatever, having balls to the wall, very running the ropes, kind of matches, might have been very appealing for fans like us,
[SPEAKER_01]: or would it have made a difference to his public perception in the books, casual fans in Japan, would that have led to different numbers viewing to me?
[SPEAKER_01]: You don't think it would have done to be honest.
[SPEAKER_01]: But I understand people not enjoying the house at all, it was I think they played it very safe there.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, yes, and whilst it's not to everyone's taste and they might have done something a bit more bold.
[SPEAKER_01]: I can't really fault it, but I know other people were absolutely cruisest by them for that and I get it personally.
[SPEAKER_02]: I think that's okay.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm with you to a certain degree, Joel, because I truly believe that coming out of Wrestle Kingdom, he beats Faleig, is when the reader should not be a threat.
[SPEAKER_02]: And in the grand scheme of things, he proves not to be.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's more of a house at which you're collective that was the issue, you know, Aaron Wolf trying to war off.
[SPEAKER_02]: In the same breath, I think we could accomplish a lot more, like we didn't have to have him in a quote, feud.
[SPEAKER_02]: We could have him as a guy who came off of Wrestle Kingdom, big, big Donnie Folley.
[SPEAKER_02]: Could he have had a program with, I don't know, and again, I'm going to go through all
[SPEAKER_02]: Eugene Nagada, could you have had a program with bolts in the old league?
[SPEAKER_02]: Would it be comfortable with that or are we saving that?
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm not a big fan of saving Joel.
[SPEAKER_02]: Anything can happen.
[SPEAKER_02]: Injuries, fucking whatever.
[SPEAKER_02]: You know, I quit wrestling, whatever.
[SPEAKER_02]: Like, don't save shit.
[SPEAKER_02]: You could do it now.
[SPEAKER_02]: I think there would be more value in that.
[SPEAKER_02]: Like, for these six months, Joel, what do you think Aaron Wolf has learned to help improve his pro wrestling in these six months?
[SPEAKER_02]: How to a moat getting choked?
[SPEAKER_01]: I think we're looking at it the wrong way.
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't think it's looking strictly at the singles matches these had with House of Torture as the learning opportunities.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think it's all of the matches he's been having on the road two shows and the undecards, mountain mountain matches, and the behind the sees stuff where the learning's been taking place.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think focusing on the showcase matches is sort of missing the point of it.
[SPEAKER_02]: But even those road two shows, do you really think he's under a fucking learning tree in those?
[SPEAKER_01]: There could be all kinds of little things that I don't notice as a He couldn't run, but wrestler that he is being picked up on and learning on a day-to-day basis.
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know, I don't know what I'm talking about, but I'm not a wrestler, say.
[SPEAKER_02]: Man, thank you.
[SPEAKER_02]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_02]: Again, I think to me, he would have improved and then those improvements would have been absolutely visible.
[SPEAKER_02]: if he had those six months coming off of the folly when at the dome.
[SPEAKER_02]: Um, with just, like, I don't know, less learning about Memphis style bullshit wrestling.
[SPEAKER_02]: Um, and a little bit more.
[SPEAKER_02]: Okay, here's how you work a match in front of 500 people and get them emotionally involved.
[SPEAKER_02]: What do I know?
[SPEAKER_02]: But again, what do I know?
[SPEAKER_02]: I fucking took bun bumps for, yeah, inferno kid.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: What do I know?
[SPEAKER_02]: All right.
[SPEAKER_02]: I took bumps for Blue Meanie.
[SPEAKER_02]: What do I know?
[SPEAKER_02]: All right.
[SPEAKER_02]: What did you think overall?
[SPEAKER_02]: Scale along the tent.
[SPEAKER_02]: The show.
[SPEAKER_01]: Give it a second.
[SPEAKER_02]: Seven.
[SPEAKER_02]: Wow.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: I was going to go to a lot.
[SPEAKER_02]: I was going to get the six.
[SPEAKER_02]: Six it is.
[SPEAKER_02]: All right.
[SPEAKER_02]: You want to get into a little bit of G1 or we done.
[SPEAKER_02]: We kind of covered a lot of G1, but.
[SPEAKER_02]: Right.
[SPEAKER_01]: All right.
[SPEAKER_01]: Very good.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm done.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, the clock.
[SPEAKER_01]: Do what you want.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'll kill you.