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[SPEAKER_02]: Tom and Harry join us as we make our way through episodes of Star Trek Deep Space Nine.
[SPEAKER_00]: Your host for today are my fellow trek actors Robert Duncan McNeil, Garrett Wong, and of course myself, Terry Farrell.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Hello.
[SPEAKER_01]: Hello, gang.
[SPEAKER_00]: Hello, I'm loving my earth cat.
[SPEAKER_00]: Famous.
[SPEAKER_02]: I love how only the the gut logo is there.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I swear as soon as we started this I didn't even mean to but I started buying everything green and
[SPEAKER_00]: I just had a thing for green, you know, how you suddenly have a color you're like into.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_00]: But it's made my choices on what to wear.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_02]: It does limited.
[SPEAKER_02]: It does.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's so funny that you say that like you go through color phases like I'm into these earth tones now as you can see it like everything is brown and and
[SPEAKER_01]: desert looking.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yes, but you're not the only one into it.
[SPEAKER_02]: The fashion designers are into it.
[SPEAKER_02]: That is like sort of the in color.
[SPEAKER_02]: Right.
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, it is.
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, yes.
[SPEAKER_02]: So many earthy tones.
[SPEAKER_02]: You're very hip.
[SPEAKER_00]: But brown and black, navy and black.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's they all kind of.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's a good word, drove thing.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, tear fair.
[SPEAKER_02]: You just came back from a little solo vacay.
[SPEAKER_00]: Where did you go again to let us know?
[SPEAKER_00]: Let everyone
[SPEAKER_02]: Yes, which you've been to before, right, or no.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, I have.
[SPEAKER_00]: I have a time share there.
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, and it's one week during Thanksgiving.
[SPEAKER_00]: But when I got the time share there was a package deal to get a little trip.
[SPEAKER_00]: If you said no to getting a property, but I was there with my business manager and she made sure I got this little
[SPEAKER_00]: week, this little five day trip.
[SPEAKER_00]: And of course, I haven't gone through this for such a long time, but I had this wild vacation mental trip.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like at first, I was thinking, oh, I gotta be home.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I have all these things to do.
[SPEAKER_00]: So I stuck in my list.
[SPEAKER_00]: And with each day, I relaxed.
[SPEAKER_01]: Started to relax a little bit.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: And by the, the, an ultimate day, I woke up and I thought,
[SPEAKER_00]: It is, and the people are so kind, I stay at the Weston, it's a Weston resort, and they're amazing.
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, I think it helps that one of the managers there is big Star Trek fans.
[SPEAKER_01]: Star Trek fans.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_00]: Does that help a little bit?
[SPEAKER_02]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, because in this package, they couldn't guarantee the spot that I have when I have my time share, which is either a pool view or a beach view, but she got me into the beach view.
[SPEAKER_00]: No.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I was super happy to be on the second floor, not the first floor, especially being by myself.
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know what, I just felt a little safer.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and I great view of the bay, but yeah, it was awesome.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's so funny.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like solo vacations or solo traveling can be such an odd experience like a such a head trip, you know, yeah, you think about what you should be doing.
[SPEAKER_01]: I could be home doing this in that and yeah,
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I was just in New York and had some of that kind of time of wandering around, sort of aimlessly and I was like, I did.
[SPEAKER_01]: I went to the Whitney, the Whitney did that.
[SPEAKER_01]: I stayed at this great super hip hotel.
[SPEAKER_01]: I feel like we're doing commercials for vacations on it.
[SPEAKER_01]: But we're not.
[SPEAKER_01]: So it's why not.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, the one thing that they're not connected us and what what hotel are you at?
[SPEAKER_02]: The super cool hotel.
[SPEAKER_01]: It was at Rockaway Beach, which is kind of like the Venice Beach of New York.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's for all the surfers, it's for arts, yeah, Rockaway Beach.
[SPEAKER_01]: And there's a hotel called the Rockaway Beach Hotel.
[SPEAKER_01]: You feel like you're in Soho.
[SPEAKER_01]: There's art and wow, great pool.
[SPEAKER_00]: But it's at Rockaway.
[SPEAKER_01]: Uh-huh.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: So how long did it take you to get into the city, the train?
[SPEAKER_01]: There's a fairy from Rockaway.
[SPEAKER_01]: You get on this fairy for $4.50.
[SPEAKER_01]: And it's a 45 minute fairy ride that goes by Coney Island and by the Statue of Liberty.
[SPEAKER_01]: And it's beautiful.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's, it is all.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I had a friend of mine who lives in a Jersey.
[SPEAKER_01]: I said, come into the city.
[SPEAKER_01]: We'll meet in the city in the morning and we'll take the fairy back and you can hang out at the beach.
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, he did that.
[SPEAKER_01]: And he was like, this is incredible.
[SPEAKER_01]: I can't believe I've never discovered Rockway Beach.
[SPEAKER_01]: Wow.
[SPEAKER_01]: you know, you get on the ferry and you just kind of relax and breathe and then suddenly you're at the beach and it was great.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's so cool.
[SPEAKER_01]: Great trip.
[SPEAKER_00]: So great.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: I have two back to backcons.
[SPEAKER_00]: One in Philly for creation and one in
[SPEAKER_00]: the Rhode Island Comic Con.
[SPEAKER_00]: But I was thinking about Clinton, New York.
[SPEAKER_00]: Maybe.
[SPEAKER_01]: Go to New York.
[SPEAKER_01]: Go to the Rockaway Beach Hotel.
[SPEAKER_01]: Highly recommended it.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's not I'm not getting paid for this ad.
[SPEAKER_00]: going from Rhode Island to Philly early.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: And then seeing if there's because that's where we used to go all the time from her she we go to the opera we go see like we saw.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, I bet there's tons to do.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, tons to do.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I have a girlfriend who has a grand baby that lives there so she's there often.
[SPEAKER_00]: But that's what I was thinking of doing.
[SPEAKER_00]: But I usually go to is it the bro, not the brod.
[SPEAKER_00]: there's a great museum there.
[SPEAKER_00]: It used to be in a house in a neighborhood in Philly and it used to be in Pennsylvania in it.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and it's really like an old mansion or something.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, and it was a famous art collector.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, that's how a lot of them start.
[SPEAKER_01]: They're wealthy collectors and then they open it up to the public and that's how the getty started.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: People, if I can't think of the name of it, but they moved it to Philly and I've gone I went I've gone there every time I've done a con there and I go and I look and I have lunch by myself and there's this beautiful little garden you overlook anyway.
[SPEAKER_00]: There's some amazing things I just have to remember to bring a book with me.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I always have a book, always have a book.
[SPEAKER_01]: Have to.
[SPEAKER_01]: Is it the Barnes?
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, yes.
[SPEAKER_01]: Is that it?
[SPEAKER_01]: OK.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, my gosh.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's gorgeous.
[SPEAKER_00]: And the food is really next level.
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, that's great.
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, for a museum, it's the same.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's so cool.
[SPEAKER_02]: So it's in the old Barnes household.
[SPEAKER_00]: No, no, no.
[SPEAKER_00]: It moved.
[SPEAKER_00]: It was really hard for the neighborhood.
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, I'm sure.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, it's like, I imagine living next to the Greek.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I don't think that would be great.
[SPEAKER_00]: That would take me off, especially with all the traffic.
[SPEAKER_01]: A son used to live right by the Hollywood Bowl, and it was a nightmare.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, it shows that the Hollywood Bowl is getting in and out of his neighborhood.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Here we are, season six.
[SPEAKER_01]: I can't believe it.
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh my gosh, I'm like, kind of flummixed here.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, we're off flummixed.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's just, it's been going by so quickly.
[SPEAKER_02]: But we do have some birthdays that we can have through right here.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yep, starting off with June 22nd.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's the birthday for good old penny Leo.
[SPEAKER_02]: So happy birthday penny.
[SPEAKER_00]: Happy birthday penny.
[SPEAKER_01]: Happy birthday, Penny.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm Stephanie Baker, June 24th.
[SPEAKER_00]: I love you, girl.
[SPEAKER_00]: Best time walking to, I can't remember what drugstore was, Walmart or CVS or something.
[SPEAKER_00]: CVS or something in Vegas?
[SPEAKER_00]: Happy birthday.
[SPEAKER_01]: Happy birthday, Stephanie.
[SPEAKER_02]: Have a great day.
[SPEAKER_02]: Happy birthday, Steph.
[SPEAKER_01]: And on June 24th, we also have Cassandra.
[SPEAKER_01]: Gerard's birthday, happy birthday, Cassandra.
[SPEAKER_00]: Happy birthday, Cassandra.
[SPEAKER_00]: Wow, when on the same day, June 24th.
[SPEAKER_00]: How are you?
[SPEAKER_02]: Happy birthday, Cassandra.
[SPEAKER_02]: On June 25th, that is the birthday of Jeff Schmettinghaust.
[SPEAKER_02]: Happy birthday, Jeff.
[SPEAKER_00]: Happy birthday, Jeff Schmettinghaust.
[SPEAKER_00]: I love singer-lust.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah Jeff happy birthday.
[SPEAKER_01]: We hope you have a great day.
[SPEAKER_01]: Thanks for watching and listening to the Delta Flyers and last but not least on June 27 happy happy birthday to Anne Harding happy birthday Anne happy birthday Anne have a great birthday Anne
[SPEAKER_02]: If it is with your lovely liberator, I do.
[SPEAKER_01]: I have a little poetry for the opening of season six.
[SPEAKER_01]: My liberator goes a little something like this.
[SPEAKER_01]: Undercover, they hid in plain sight, planting a bomb like a thief in the night.
[SPEAKER_01]: With their engines near dead, and a long trip ahead, will our heroes ever be able to reunite?
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, good job.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, thank you.
[SPEAKER_00]: Very good job.
[SPEAKER_00]: I love it.
[SPEAKER_00]: Jeff, are you guys on?
[SPEAKER_00]: Of course.
[SPEAKER_00]: Here is my poem.
[SPEAKER_00]: Although our chances are slim, we hold on to hope.
[SPEAKER_00]: We hold on to each other when we must or our existence is over.
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, I like that.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, that's almost like a high coup in a way, you know?
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: It felt a bit, yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's like a bit high-courish.
[SPEAKER_01]: High-courish.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm doing a poetry high-courish slam.
[SPEAKER_02]: Okay, all right speaking of IQs here we go.
[SPEAKER_02]: My IQ for time to stand dominion can't lose Cisco stops the flow of white warp gone long way home
[SPEAKER_02]: Nice.
[SPEAKER_02]: Thank you.
[SPEAKER_02]: Who is the patron submitted poetry winner?
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, it's a high coup submitted by Aimee T. Crew takes captured ship to destroy Ketrasel White, stuck in enemy space.
[SPEAKER_01]: Hmm.
[SPEAKER_01]: Nice, Amy.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: How about they didn't warn us?
[SPEAKER_00]: This is another, there's another part to this.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_00]: The cliffhanger may be going, are you kidding?
[SPEAKER_01]: I know.
[SPEAKER_01]: What are they going to do?
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know, but these last two episodes, like, I want more episodes like this.
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm sorry.
[SPEAKER_00]: We'll just,
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, okay, Garrett.
[SPEAKER_00]: Tell us all of the net net.
[SPEAKER_01]: Sure.
[SPEAKER_02]: Uh, the nut nut nut nut nut nut, the nut nut nut, the nut nut, the nut nut, written by Iris even bear and Hans Baimler.
[SPEAKER_02]: Directed by Alan Cracker, our good friend Alan Cracker.
[SPEAKER_02]: Guestars, Andrew J. Robinson is Gareth, Jeffrey Combs is Wei Yun, Mark Alimo as Goldicott, Aaron Eisenberg is Nog, J. G. Hertzler is Mar-Talk, Casey Biggs is Demar, Barry Jenner as Admiral Ross and Brock Peters,
[SPEAKER_02]: recurring as Joseph Cisco.
[SPEAKER_02]: As we know, this is a beginning of a multi-episode arc.
[SPEAKER_02]: This is the Dominion War, we're in the middle of this.
[SPEAKER_02]: Now, we do see in memory of Brandon Tartakov, who was the former chairman of Paramount Pictures he passed away, and it was originally
[SPEAKER_02]: Tartakov that approach Berman to do a new Star Trek series and it was his idea to do a stationary show instead of on a star ship.
[SPEAKER_02]: So I didn't know that that Tartakov.
[SPEAKER_00]: I didn't either.
[SPEAKER_02]: I had that idea.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: Thank you Brandon.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Rest in peace.
[SPEAKER_00]: I appreciate it.
[SPEAKER_00]: The job.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Brandon Tartakov, I, I feel like in my memory of show business back in those days, Brandon Tartakov's name really popped when he took over the network.
[SPEAKER_01]: It was NBC, I think.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, yes, yes.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's how I know his name.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, everybody knows because he was very innovative Brandon Tartakov.
[SPEAKER_01]: He, he was the first network executive to start
[SPEAKER_01]: The studio, or sorry, the network tests where they would have the actors come in in front of a team.
[SPEAKER_01]: He was very team oriented as my memory.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think that works really good.
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, so he's the one that started that.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, so when you went in for network testing, in front of a whole bunch of executives, that he was the one that came up with that idea.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think before then, it had just been the studios pick their people and then they submitted the names.
[SPEAKER_01]: This is who we want.
[SPEAKER_01]: And that work would say, OK, great.
[SPEAKER_01]: And he was the one that said, no, as at the network, he kind of took his studio experience and kind of put it into network policy and then everyone started following that.
[SPEAKER_01]: So he was very innovative branded target cross.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, that makes sense too.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: Then you're not hearing it secondhand about a performance.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, you get to watch it talk about it, meet the people, you get the sense of that person.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: But to be perfectly honest, from an actor's standpoint, that was so nerve-wracking to be in front of all those suits.
[SPEAKER_02]: People that you hadn't seen, you know, before the process, you meet the casting director, then the showrunner, people that you start getting used to seeing.
[SPEAKER_02]: And then all of a sudden, you go to the the network meeting and
[SPEAKER_02]: all these people are in that room and they're all wearing suits and none of them are laughing they're just staring at you and you're saying they're going oh my god it's so it's a little anxiety ridden at least in love for my experience.
[SPEAKER_00]: What I liked about it was I don't remember who told me this but think of it as when you walk through a door for an audition that you're going through the
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, I, like, onto the stage.
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: And, and always looking, like, if you look above them, yeah, above their heads, whatever, because for me, and I bet it is for you, too, the nerves were about, oh my God, I'm so close to getting what I'm so excited to have that to.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: So you have to drop all of that and just go in and perform it.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm not saying there isn't a little part of you in the back of your head going, just breathe.
[SPEAKER_00]: But, but it does all of those things.
[SPEAKER_00]: Right?
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think the worst part is if you don't get nervous Then when you walk out and it hits you.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's like you almost hope on the way there that you're nervous.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah And every network seemed to have a different setup like I remember going to Fox to network at Fox and they were just in a conference room over at Fox studios
[SPEAKER_01]: I think NBC was the same thing.
[SPEAKER_01]: CBS, you went to network in front, and it was like a screening room over in television City.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh my god.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, that did feel like a stage though.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, it really did.
[SPEAKER_00]: I liked that one the best.
[SPEAKER_01]: That was my favorite one too.
[SPEAKER_01]: Cause you felt like you were actually performing on a stage.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: CBS was great.
[SPEAKER_01]: You were more comfortable for that.
[SPEAKER_00]: Right.
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: For Becker, I was in the Executives office and for for deep space.
[SPEAKER_00]: It was that conference room.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: The Star Trek conference room.
[SPEAKER_01]: Also, I remember the Star Trek testing room or that conference room.
[SPEAKER_01]: The air conditioning was horrible.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, my God.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's right.
[SPEAKER_01]: We tested for Voyager.
[SPEAKER_01]: It was July or August, so it was hot and that room was coming in.
[SPEAKER_01]: And it was just so hot and special and muggy in there.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: Robert, did you know this is one of the longest recap segments in the history of Star Trek up until this is really?
[SPEAKER_02]: Yes it is.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, but it was important.
[SPEAKER_01]: It was very important.
[SPEAKER_01]: And it's interesting because yeah, there is a ton of action.
[SPEAKER_01]: And it was good that they reminded everybody about how big that was because I feel like it was the biggest the end of season five was maybe the biggest battle sequence we've ever seen oh yes 100% it was film worthy and a reminder that Starfleet is a band in the station that do not is there with tomorrow and way you know they're in charge and Odo and Kira
[SPEAKER_02]: and the fans have been waiting for at this point what months to see this season begin uh uh premiere correct so it's it's a long wait so yeah recap is good so now the opening shot you see a very damaged um ships uh coming back remember so this is the uh yeah this is a very very first after the ages oh my god but but remember we've thought
[SPEAKER_02]: When we left, he's an ender.
[SPEAKER_02]: We thought, oh, this is going to be a great battle because there were so many star fleets.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and then they were headed for the station.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yes, and then this opening scene, everyone is damaged.
[SPEAKER_02]: There's a ship being tracked or back.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, it has no impulse power.
[SPEAKER_02]: And it to everybody has damage.
[SPEAKER_02]: And it does not look like the same amount of ships either.
[SPEAKER_02]: A lot less.
[SPEAKER_01]: and also there's some of the ships even have fires going.
[SPEAKER_00]: Once again affects art.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yes, love it, love it, love it, love it, and again as a reminder this this episode is really the last time that we see the usage of actual physical models.
[SPEAKER_02]: The only thing that was CGI in this episode was the defiant.
[SPEAKER_02]: Everything else was still a physical model.
[SPEAKER_02]: And the team spent a lot of time building ships just to, you know, to, and they just created all types of random ships.
[SPEAKER_01]: did they say how they did the fires then what the uh that I don't know I don't know yeah I'm not sure how they did that yeah it was very cool well they're heading back uh we have our recap and then we cut onto the defiant bridge and our teams all there Cisco is exhausted everybody's exhausted mm-hmm
[SPEAKER_01]: and we learn that it's three months later that they've been through a lot of battles at this moment they've been up seventy eight hours straight and uh... nog is on the bridge of the defiant he seems like he's a senior starfleet officer to me which i was like
[SPEAKER_01]: Wait did we ever seem graduate?
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I thought he was still in softly the academy.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I thought so too.
[SPEAKER_00]: But maybe because of the situation.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, that's true.
[SPEAKER_01]: He got an upgrade.
[SPEAKER_00]: You have to level him up because we need him.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: So it's a great experience for him.
[SPEAKER_01]: He's like an understudy in a play.
[SPEAKER_01]: He has to step up.
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, only it's like he's in every other scene.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, exactly.
[SPEAKER_00]: In the play because it's important what he's doing.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, he seems the most awake.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, he does, he does.
[SPEAKER_01]: Everybody else is exhausted.
[SPEAKER_02]: Evidently, the last three months, is that the number that we have here?
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, Brian says it.
[SPEAKER_02]: Three months later, yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's a long time.
[SPEAKER_02]: And it's just been, it's been the same thing.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's, it's, it's engage, retreat, run, engage, retreat, run.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's just back and forth.
[SPEAKER_02]: And it's, they haven't won really anything.
[SPEAKER_02]: They lost.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and they mentioned the seventh fleet that they haven't even heard from the seventh fleet.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it seems like Starfleet is just taking, you know, damage after damage, loss after loss after loss after loss.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, we're getting a beating.
[SPEAKER_00]: We're getting spanked.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, we go into the supply room back on the defiant in the back.
[SPEAKER_01]: And it's a oneer, a very long oneer here with Garrick.
[SPEAKER_01]: who's come to Bashir because he bumped his head.
[SPEAKER_01]: There's a little fence.
[SPEAKER_01]: A lot of movement going on here.
[SPEAKER_01]: They're moving around all the time in this one or but they still managed to have close talking.
[SPEAKER_01]: Flasher.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's a close talking which I thought was great.
[SPEAKER_01]: Garic is very edgy in this scene.
[SPEAKER_01]: He's very impatient with Bashir.
[SPEAKER_01]: It seems like now, in this season, we're leaning into Bashir's genetic enhancement, you know, his.
[SPEAKER_01]: Wow.
[SPEAKER_00]: We lean hard.
[SPEAKER_01]: Hard, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: In this episode.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: It was like suddenly he's being super shamed in this scene.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: He's like a computer.
[SPEAKER_01]: He's literally, you know, able to do math in his head or statistics.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: This is where it bothers me about the history.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, we've never seen anything.
[SPEAKER_00]: It just doesn't make sense, unfortunately.
[SPEAKER_01]: It did feel a little inconsistent to me.
[SPEAKER_00]: It should have been in the Bible in the beginning.
[SPEAKER_01]: And he should have been offering up some of these calculations, but trying to keep it secret, or there should have been some hints to it.
[SPEAKER_00]: And it seems like suddenly, like having him pretend to make it be more harder for him.
[SPEAKER_00]: We should have seen that, though.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I agree.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's just incongruent.
[SPEAKER_02]: mood, because I kind of felt like he thrown in the towel already.
[SPEAKER_02]: It is what I felt like seemed a little defeated.
[SPEAKER_02]: A little angry.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yes, there was anger too.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: And Gary too, like they were bickering the two of them.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, that each other.
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, and maybe this is an example of being in the war for three months.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: And this is, you've got to show it different for each character has to have, you know, part of the story, tell the truth about what it feels like to be in the situation.
[SPEAKER_00]: Right.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: But also, because Bashir knows, I mean, they get to the point where they're talking about the percentage, is this that scene of our chances?
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_00]: And when he knows that, not everybody can hold on to hope that long every day.
[SPEAKER_00]: So when he actually knows it's 30 37.2 37.2 37.2 37 that's what I meant.
[SPEAKER_00]: There he goes.
[SPEAKER_00]: Less than 50% far less than 50% chance of winning.
[SPEAKER_00]: Of course, I think that would really weigh heavy on you, especially when you know that's the reality, not that you're kind of making it up, it's like he knows that's the reality and that's terrifying.
[SPEAKER_00]: And he's young.
[SPEAKER_02]: So he's kind of checked out a little bit.
[SPEAKER_00]: He's probably compartmentalizing he's protecting himself.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_01]: He's checked out a little bit, although when Garex says, you're not just, you're not genetically engineered, you're a Vulcan.
[SPEAKER_01]: And then he pops over real close to his face, he goes, well, if I'm a Vulcan, how do you explain my boy's smile?
[SPEAKER_01]: Because it's a playful, it's really playful there at the end of the season.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's good, although I wish he would have smiled a little bit more.
[SPEAKER_02]: But yeah, great comeback from Garex, not so boyish anymore, Dr. Good, good line.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, because he wasn't in the scene.
[SPEAKER_00]: I really liked that scene.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it was nice.
[SPEAKER_01]: And the fact that it was such a long wander.
[SPEAKER_01]: I see Alan Craig are doing a lot of wonders like this lately.
[SPEAKER_00]: Really well done.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: We go into the mess hall in the defiant Mark Martak and War for returning from the Klingon ship they're coming over.
[SPEAKER_01]: Um, they've been craving a rack to genome we learn, but Warf has something else on his mind.
[SPEAKER_01]: Um, it's about the wedding.
[SPEAKER_01]: Dax is where he's getting cold feet, but he says no, you know, the schedule is messed up.
[SPEAKER_01]: You've got the ritual sacrifice of the targ after the wedding feast.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's not traditional and, um, Dax is like, wait, we haven't seen each other for five weeks.
[SPEAKER_01]: And that's where you want to talk about that schedule.
[SPEAKER_00]: I, wait, I loved how I remember this, too.
[SPEAKER_00]: You do?
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, talking with Michael about me jumping in his arms.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I want to talk about that.
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: And he was, I was like, are you sure you can hurt me?
[SPEAKER_00]: And he's like, he holds it for a while.
[SPEAKER_00]: The dead.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: He's a strong man.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I was very impressed because honestly when you when you jumped up it's almost like you two were made of velcro like you just stuck him immediately and there was no effort He looked like it was effortless Michael didn't fall back Michael didn't do any adjusting.
[SPEAKER_02]: It was totally the smoothest leap into an arm.
[SPEAKER_02]: I've ever seen on film sexy, right?
[SPEAKER_00]: Super freaking sexy.
[SPEAKER_02]: Was it the first take?
[SPEAKER_02]: Did you guys get it immediately?
[SPEAKER_02]: because it.
[SPEAKER_00]: I would imagine so.
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know.
[SPEAKER_01]: So good.
[SPEAKER_01]: It was so.
[SPEAKER_01]: So in the script, it says, Dax leaps up and runs over to Warf.
[SPEAKER_01]: Warf, she says, she encircles him with a bear hug.
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, so it was not scripted.
[SPEAKER_00]: No, I think that was us.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: And it might have been Michael's idea.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think it might have been Michael's idea.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: I wonder if because in the script it says DAX leaps up and gives him a hug, but maybe the word leaps gave somebody the idea.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, it just leap into my own.
[SPEAKER_00]: I really think it might have been Michael because it would seem that he's the one that's gaging that he can do it or not, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: They work out their their wedding ceremony schedule and then they take off for some private time and Cisco has to comment as they leave trying out to break any bones with a big smile on his face.
[SPEAKER_00]: Did I cross my fingers or wink at him?
[SPEAKER_01]: I think you did both.
[SPEAKER_00]: I like how I let them in on stuff too, like something about having the wedding, I always wanted and pointing at warf, because really it doesn't matter to her as much as it matters to him.
[SPEAKER_01]: But she or comes in, we learned that they've been ordered to report to star base, three, seven, five for reassignment.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I found it odd that, like, how did be she or get this information?
[SPEAKER_01]: that he's got news about the seventh fleet that only 14 chips made it back.
[SPEAKER_01]: I didn't clock that order.
[SPEAKER_02]: Good cat.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, like, yeah, why is Bashir knowing?
[SPEAKER_01]: Why is Bashir suddenly the communications officer from the medical bear or whatever?
[SPEAKER_01]: It was kind of odd.
[SPEAKER_01]: And he's very irritated in this scene Bashir.
[SPEAKER_01]: He's got news of this reassignment.
[SPEAKER_01]: He seems at the end of his rope.
[SPEAKER_01]: He even gets a little feisty with Cisco.
[SPEAKER_02]: But this is where we find out about the seventh fleet because we didn't know what happened to them.
[SPEAKER_00]: out of 112.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's horrible.
[SPEAKER_02]: 98, 92% destruction or something like that.
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, no wonder he's pissed off.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: He's pissed off and he says to, he kind of snoring.
[SPEAKER_01]: He says, we can't keep taking losses like this, sir.
[SPEAKER_01]: Not if we expect to win.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: And then Cisco dismisses him patiently, but firmly, you know, thank you.
[SPEAKER_01]: That will be all.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, don't snap at me.
[SPEAKER_01]: Right.
[SPEAKER_02]: So he's not the only one that snaps because Cisco snaps like everyone snaps at one point or another it seems.
[SPEAKER_01]: Cisco likes slams the counter after he leaves.
[SPEAKER_01]: All right.
[SPEAKER_01]: So we've got to do caught log.
[SPEAKER_01]: Do caught says permanent documentation file do caught SG.
[SPEAKER_01]: Each day brings reports of new victories.
[SPEAKER_01]: The war continues to go well.
[SPEAKER_01]: enemy is retreating on almost all fronts.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's only a matter of time before the federation collapses.
[SPEAKER_01]: And earth becomes another conquered planet under Dominion rule.
[SPEAKER_01]: All in all, it's a good time for Cardassia and the Dominion.
[SPEAKER_01]: Very confident here.
[SPEAKER_02]: He is.
[SPEAKER_02]: I also love how he pays that last sentence.
[SPEAKER_02]: Robbie, I don't know if you clock that.
[SPEAKER_02]: He says, all in all, it's a good time for Cardassia and the Dominion.
[SPEAKER_02]: He does that.
[SPEAKER_00]: He did that after the Dominion.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: Of course he did.
[SPEAKER_00]: He's playing the long game.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: They're going to be in the dust sooner or later.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: What does SG stand for?
[SPEAKER_02]: What would you say, Robbie?
[SPEAKER_02]: Decaught SG.
[SPEAKER_02]: No.
[SPEAKER_02]: Supreme general.
[SPEAKER_02]: General.
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, maybe.
[SPEAKER_02]: Maybe.
[SPEAKER_02]: Super general.
[SPEAKER_02]: OK. Got it.
[SPEAKER_00]: Senior general.
[SPEAKER_02]: Senior general.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, maybe.
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know.
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't have my phone.
[SPEAKER_00]: I can't look it up.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, we go to the ward room.
[SPEAKER_01]: Wayun is there.
[SPEAKER_01]: He seems very pleased.
[SPEAKER_01]: Thanks, everything's going super well.
[SPEAKER_01]: Demar does not agree.
[SPEAKER_01]: And by the way, Demar is very serious.
[SPEAKER_01]: He doesn't have a lot to say, but when he does, boy, he's the heavy here.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: And the contrarian a lot of times, he's always like disagreeing with people and I find him very interesting.
[SPEAKER_01]: Kira comes in though.
[SPEAKER_01]: She wants pejorin security.
[SPEAKER_01]: She wants them armed and Ducauts is absolutely not.
[SPEAKER_01]: They're good tension here with Kira.
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, you can tell she doesn't like him personally.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, too.
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, I think she just uses that 100%.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, she does.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it's an interesting dynamic between DuCott and Kira.
[SPEAKER_00]: I love it.
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, I feel badly for him her because he was difficult for her to work with.
[SPEAKER_00]: But it's a great answer.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's a great answer for the show.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yes, yes.
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean sucks personally, but Dang it looks good.
[SPEAKER_02]: In this scene where you and does express this concern about what Odo thinks of him like he's very very concerned about Odo's opinion Yes, I'm so curious like well, why don't you ask him and he's like, oh no, no, no, no, I can I can
[SPEAKER_01]: I can't waste his time with that.
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, he's so like, it's just tiptoeing around eggshells.
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh my gosh, it's hilarious.
[SPEAKER_02]: So Kira basically leaves the scene.
[SPEAKER_02]: And now we just have Waiyun to cut.
[SPEAKER_02]: And of course, tomorrow.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I love.
[SPEAKER_02]: I love when Jeffrey Combs puts Casey Biggs in his place.
[SPEAKER_02]: And the scene, it was like, yeah, he went and kicked him out.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, John, look at him.
[SPEAKER_02]: Don't you look at him.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, it was still more.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, it was almost like a parent talking to the kids like don't you look at them?
[SPEAKER_02]: No, you get out.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it was all it was brilliant I don't want to hear it Yeah, yeah way in once cure lives way in is all business here Oh, it tells Ducat, you know, you assured me you'd be able to dismantle that mine field within a month and that was two months ago and
[SPEAKER_01]: And DuCott explains about these minds, which is very helpful.
[SPEAKER_01]: He says they're not ordinary minds.
[SPEAKER_01]: Every time we deactivate or destroy one, it's neighbor replicates a new one.
[SPEAKER_01]: So these minds...
[SPEAKER_00]: It's complicated.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, they did a good job mining this wormhole.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and all because of Rome's suggestion, if you recall from the last episode.
[SPEAKER_00]: Rome myself and O'Brien.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's right.
[SPEAKER_01]: You guys put it together.
[SPEAKER_01]: But Duccaut says he'll deal with the mine field.
[SPEAKER_01]: He does defer to weigh you in there, but very reluctantly.
[SPEAKER_02]: We get a glimpse of what's happening in this war because, you know, definitely Duccaut has this feeling of superiority.
[SPEAKER_02]: This is like, you know, we're definitely winning.
[SPEAKER_02]: And we even remind some, he's like, yes, we're winning for the moment.
[SPEAKER_02]: But we need reinforcements and we need new supplies of catcher cell white soon because we're running out of this.
[SPEAKER_02]: And that's the only thing that is keeping the gym a dark going.
[SPEAKER_02]: You stop that.
[SPEAKER_02]: They basically die.
[SPEAKER_02]: So that is, yeah, that's the end of the day.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, we go into quarks next.
[SPEAKER_01]: We've missed quark and it's busier than ever there.
[SPEAKER_01]: Very busy.
[SPEAKER_01]: You see how many gym a dollar sitting around there, by the way.
[SPEAKER_01]: I was thinking about the make up department.
[SPEAKER_01]: I realized, oh my gosh, now they're going to have to be doing.
[SPEAKER_01]: lots of Jim Hedar constantly and Kardashians and the way you want to make up there's a very expensive yeah I was think of it the smell of that latex the latex well my gosh oh I think this quarks only seen is it there's only okay so this is his residual scene okay yeah I think so too I felt I mean I liked it but I also didn't like it because he already explained this if you recall in a prior episode he was saying that
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, when the gym had our show up, what am I going to do?
[SPEAKER_02]: They don't eat.
[SPEAKER_02]: They don't, he's already gone through this whole thing.
[SPEAKER_02]: I think they don't have fun.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, he's trying to charm the gym had to are.
[SPEAKER_01]: He's offering to take their photo to send him to Hollisweets.
[SPEAKER_01]: Dobbo, any of that, nothing.
[SPEAKER_00]: So they're just sitting at the bar.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's so weird.
[SPEAKER_00]: Nothing.
[SPEAKER_02]: They don't eat.
[SPEAKER_02]: They don't drink.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's just the catcher so white that keeps him going.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's it.
[SPEAKER_00]: like having a vampire sitting at the bar.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, but a vampire that has no feelings or emotions or likes for anything because he's trying to entertain them.
[SPEAKER_02]: You can go to the hall of suite, but they don't care about that either.
[SPEAKER_01]: So it's like, but then again, the question is why are they even sitting there?
[SPEAKER_02]: Shouldn't they just be in there in there?
[SPEAKER_02]: You know, they're their ship or just hanging out on the guard duty or something.
[SPEAKER_02]: Why would they even go to court?
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't know.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, I also don't understand that quirk later on says things are busy or than expected here.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'll buy you a drink on the house.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: How where is where's the visit doing anything?
[SPEAKER_01]: It seems a little bit flip-flop.
[SPEAKER_02]: Are there?
[SPEAKER_00]: Cardiacian.
[SPEAKER_00]: There's been money though.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's the only people that are there.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it's a cardiacian.
[SPEAKER_01]: There's bajorans on this station.
[SPEAKER_00]: Um, yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: Then we move on to Odo and Kira.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I just want to say, wow, they're like completely pals again.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: They are.
[SPEAKER_02]: So is that shocking to you because of what happened before in a way?
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, it just felt like I'm sure there are assuming time has gone by, but not that much.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: Because it was awkward back when we saw them last.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, wait a minute.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's been three months.
[SPEAKER_00]: So I guess in three months.
[SPEAKER_01]: And they're the only ones like everybody else's left.
[SPEAKER_01]: Correct.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's weird for us as the audience.
[SPEAKER_02]: Because we haven't had three months.
[SPEAKER_02]: Right.
[SPEAKER_00]: And if they kept saying something about three months, it would be like, oh my gosh, we got it.
[SPEAKER_00]: We're not stupid.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, they have a nice long talk secret talk.
[SPEAKER_01]: And by the way, I loved the lens choice that Alan Cracker made on these close-ups.
[SPEAKER_01]: It was a long lens, which puts the background very out of focus.
[SPEAKER_01]: And it really felt like you were in this bubble of the secret conversation.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Very flattering lenses.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I thought that looked great.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: But they talk about, you know, what's going on, we learn that cure it doesn't trust way in at all.
[SPEAKER_00]: Big surprise.
[SPEAKER_00]: But she trusts him more than to cut is what she says.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, she trusts.
[SPEAKER_01]: He's a heart.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, she's, she's not sure about way in, but she trusts him more than do cut.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think it's because she knows about the connection with Odo, that way in things of Odo as a god.
[SPEAKER_00]: So I think there's leverage there, but not really trust.
[SPEAKER_01]: ground.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, it does comment about her smile at one point.
[SPEAKER_01]: He says, I'm glad that you can still smile and her response is only when I'm with you.
[SPEAKER_01]: So a very kind of romance.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it's wrong.
[SPEAKER_01]: Call me here.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_00]: He made such a smart move going.
[SPEAKER_00]: Hey, nothing's going to happen.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Four comes back over, talks about things are going well.
[SPEAKER_01]: He reminds them.
[SPEAKER_01]: You know,
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and the Dominion quarks like the Dominion seems to really want everyone to think that they're friendly, that they're good people.
[SPEAKER_01]: Kira is not so sure if they're so friendly, why won't they let us have Bajoran security on the stations?
[SPEAKER_01]: She's really focused on that.
[SPEAKER_00]: Awesome, awesome point.
[SPEAKER_01]: We're going to Cisco's office, which is at Starbase 375.
[SPEAKER_01]: Admiral Ross is showing him his new space because he says, as of right now, you were no longer in command of the defiant.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, bump bump bump bump bump bump bump bump bump bump bump bump bump bump bump bump bump bump bump bump bump bump bump bump bump bump bump bump bump bump bump bump bump bump bump bump bump bump bump bump bump bump bump bump bump bump bump bump bump bump bump bump bump bump bump bump bump bump bump bump bump bump bump bump bump bump bump bump bump bump bump bump bump bump bump bump bump bump bump bump bump bump bump bump bump bump bump bump bump bump bump bump bump bump bump bump bump bump bump bump bump bump bump bump bump bump bump bump bump bump bump bump bump bump bump bump bump bump bump bump bump bump bump bump bump bump bump bump bump bump bump bump bump bump bump bump bump bump bump bump bump bump bump bump bump bump bump bump bump bump bump bump bump bump bump bump bump bump bump bump bump bump bump bump bump bump bump bump bump bump bump bump bump bump bump bump bump bump bump bump bump bump bump bump bump bump bump bump bump bump bump bump bump bump bump bump bump bump bump bump bump bump bump bump bump bump bump bump bump bump bump bump bump bump bump bump bump bump bump bump bump
[SPEAKER_01]: but he's got an office, not on the station anymore.
[SPEAKER_01]: He's got to be at Starbase 375.
[SPEAKER_02]: We talk about Admiral Ross very quickly.
[SPEAKER_00]: I just wanted to just say, I think you have some trivia for us.
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know.
[SPEAKER_02]: I do.
[SPEAKER_02]: His uniform still matches the older TNG style uniforms.
[SPEAKER_02]: A new average uniform had not yet been designed.
[SPEAKER_02]: Also, the budget was already kind of taken up.
[SPEAKER_02]: with all the special effects that have been going on.
[SPEAKER_02]: So, very pricey episode.
[SPEAKER_02]: But Barry Jenner, this is his first appearance as Admiral William Ross in this episode.
[SPEAKER_02]: After he finished shooting, Iris Steven Barrett took him aside and said, we've had other admirals on this show.
[SPEAKER_02]: We're glad we found you.
[SPEAKER_02]: Sorry it took five years.
[SPEAKER_00]: He was a really nice man.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, so Bear said of Jenner.
[SPEAKER_02]: He said, quote, he brings a gravitas to the role, and yet you can see there's a man behind the uniform.
[SPEAKER_02]: I think the Barry Jenner is one of the unsung heroes of the show.
[SPEAKER_02]: One of the pieces of the puzzle that might not be readily apparent to the audience, but he's part of the glue that makes our job easier.
[SPEAKER_02]: Uh-huh.
[SPEAKER_02]: What a compliment for you.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and honestly, guest actors like that,
[SPEAKER_00]: It makes it a job easier, too.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yes, it helps the series record.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I liked him.
[SPEAKER_00]: I remember liking him.
[SPEAKER_01]: And it's interesting that they didn't want to spend money on a new.
[SPEAKER_01]: But you know what, but he looked great.
[SPEAKER_00]: So it didn't even matter.
[SPEAKER_01]: It didn't even matter to him.
[SPEAKER_01]: And somebody else is like, you know, for me, it's very funny.
[SPEAKER_00]: Did it?
[SPEAKER_00]: I think all the other ones were shorter than him.
[SPEAKER_00]: He was a tall man.
[SPEAKER_00]: Tall guy.
[SPEAKER_00]: He is a tall man.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: A little bit later, we're still in Cisco's new office and he's filling Dax in on what's going on.
[SPEAKER_01]: Dax can't believe he's relieved of command.
[SPEAKER_01]: Cisco says why didn't say why, so we don't know yet what the plan is.
[SPEAKER_01]: And she reminds Cisco that he needs to call his dad and fill him in on Jake.
[SPEAKER_01]: So that issue finally comes up, which I was like,
[SPEAKER_02]: And it's a great segue from this scene to the next, but I also before we move to the next, I do want to compliment Terafer on the beginning of the scene, because she has the first line.
[SPEAKER_02]: And you always have to bring that level of, you've got to be there, right?
[SPEAKER_02]: If you're not, if you don't have the bright energy in the very beginning, a scene will fall flat.
[SPEAKER_02]: So just your first line of relief of command, why you really, um, you brought it.
[SPEAKER_02]: So I mean, it's a small detail, but still you did a great job on that.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, it was really good.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, your chemistry with with Avery is great.
[SPEAKER_01]: The sense that you guys are old friends.
[SPEAKER_01]: Thank you.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I miss him.
[SPEAKER_01]: We're still in his office and Cisco is talking to his dad.
[SPEAKER_01]: Joseph is mad.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh my God, Jake.
[SPEAKER_00]: Of course.
[SPEAKER_01]: How could you leave my grandson on this station with this horrible
[SPEAKER_01]: He makes one comment in the scene Joseph does where he says, you know, you always talk about space and, you know, the endless, what is the space is big and endless from here filled with infinite wonders.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, if that's the case, then you think it would be a lot, it would be more than there'd be more than enough room to allow people just to leave each other alone.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I was, yes.
[SPEAKER_01]: Exactly.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's so true.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's so because without warp, man, it's like you remember at the end of the last episode, it would take them 17 years to get to the closest start to the closest start fleet station right with on impulse.
[SPEAKER_02]: So without warp, it's you can't get anywhere.
[SPEAKER_02]: Everyone is so far apart.
[SPEAKER_01]: Just leave each other alone, people.
[SPEAKER_01]: But.
[SPEAKER_01]: We are guarding the wormhole.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, that's true.
[SPEAKER_00]: Now it's Eric Norgen, but I think that's what makes this specific part of space so important and valuable is the wormhole.
[SPEAKER_00]: Just a reminder.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, that's true.
[SPEAKER_01]: That is very true.
[SPEAKER_01]: I like at the end of the scene to how they say they love each other.
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, I love you.
[SPEAKER_01]: I love you too.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, just really nice human style.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, and they both get quite worked up in the scene.
[SPEAKER_02]: Definitely.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, they do.
[SPEAKER_02]: Rightly so though.
[SPEAKER_00]: Joseph needs to be reminded that he is now considered an adult and he's going to make decisions just like Cisco did that don't always make you happy when
[SPEAKER_02]: Right.
[SPEAKER_02]: My grandpa also still sees Jake as a little boy.
[SPEAKER_02]: I bet you know what I'm saying.
[SPEAKER_02]: He doesn't really think of him.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: No, no, of course.
[SPEAKER_00]: But, but those things you have to remember because it's it's a I'm going through it right now.
[SPEAKER_00]: Max graduates on Saturday and
[SPEAKER_00]: Whoa, you know, there's choices they make that like could cost you money too.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: And you have to like when they learn to drive.
[SPEAKER_00]: You have to stop thinking, oh my God, what if they get an accident?
[SPEAKER_00]: Or you can't get through the day.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, you would pull your hair up.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, you just have to trust that they learn what you taught them and their mistakes won't be too big.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: I also liked in this scene how they can get angry with each other, but they shake it off very quickly.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, Cisco asked about the restaurant and Joseph makes a joke.
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, on the heels of being passionate about Jake, yes.
[SPEAKER_01]: Important stuff.
[SPEAKER_01]: How's the restaurant doing, Cisco says?
[SPEAKER_01]: Joseph goes, oh, it's all right.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's been three weeks since I poisoned anyone.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's so great, it's so great, it's so great.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, a healthy family.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, so good banter, good ability to be passionate, but not take it personally, yeah, it's good.
[SPEAKER_01]: We go to the promenade where we transition into Jake's story here, and Jake is trying to interview way in.
[SPEAKER_01]: This is another long-runner walk-and-talk way in doesn't like the wording that Jake has been using.
[SPEAKER_01]: He keeps calling it an occupation and it is, but he doesn't like that word, and so he says that I haven't allowed any of your writing to be transmitted yet, and Jake's very upset about that.
[SPEAKER_01]: He's like, what about freedom of the press?
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, that idea doesn't work with the Dominion at all.
[SPEAKER_02]: So they don't even know what that means.
[SPEAKER_01]: No.
[SPEAKER_02]: He laughs.
[SPEAKER_01]: Freed up.
[SPEAKER_00]: Freed up.
[SPEAKER_00]: What's Freed up?
[SPEAKER_01]: And basically, they end it with way you're saying, you know, I'm not going to send anything, but keep writing and I'll read them and I'll keep reading.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'll keep reading if you can stop calling us an occupation.
[SPEAKER_01]: Maybe I'll transmit it.
[SPEAKER_01]: And so,
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I also noticed in the scene how sarak is so much part of the show, it's like a fun.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it's like a fun.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, someone's like he's but he's or giraffe when it, yeah, it's still very thin and
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, but he's hunching over.
[SPEAKER_02]: He's not standing straight up because I think he even feels like oh my gosh Jeffrey comes is so much shorter than me.
[SPEAKER_00]: I quite honestly you know what it is.
[SPEAKER_00]: You can't hear someone Oh Friends with people that are like five two or five three like I used to lean down today.
[SPEAKER_01]: Just to hear what they're saying All righty that makes sense
[SPEAKER_01]: We go to Cisco's office in the space station.
[SPEAKER_01]: We learn about their new assignment.
[SPEAKER_01]: There's a storage facility with lots of catcher cell white.
[SPEAKER_00]: Isn't that where they make it?
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, it's like a distribution center.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: OK.
[SPEAKER_00]: Storage with that would make more sense.
[SPEAKER_02]: Right.
[SPEAKER_02]: Which is running out of their supplies because no resupplies can come through the wormhole because it's been mined.
[SPEAKER_02]: So they're slowly getting less and less.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, running out.
[SPEAKER_01]: They're basically going to take this captured
[SPEAKER_01]: and go undercover.
[SPEAKER_00]: Very exciting.
[SPEAKER_00]: I was super excited about this.
[SPEAKER_01]: I like Bashir's question.
[SPEAKER_01]: He goes, do you even know how to fly that thing?
[SPEAKER_01]: This goes like, not yet, but I intend to learn so.
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, he's not flying that thing.
[SPEAKER_00]: I am.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it's exactly.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I had a lot to learn.
[SPEAKER_01]: You've got to fly it.
[SPEAKER_01]: Nogs got to do some flying.
[SPEAKER_00]: But I like that it's an attack ship.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's not just a gem-hadar ship.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's a gem-hadar attack ship.
[SPEAKER_00]: It looked pretty cool.
[SPEAKER_02]: So I was kind of looking this up.
[SPEAKER_02]: of using the alien ship as you know to be under cover the Trojan horse kind of thing.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's been used before and so okay so this aired in 1997 September so you guys film this still in 1997 so this did happen after Independence Day because that was the big
[SPEAKER_02]: sort of plot point in the movie Independence Day.
[SPEAKER_02]: If you recall, it was Will Smith, who flies, who pilots the alien ship back up to the mother ship to release the virus.
[SPEAKER_00]: Is it Prince Biner, the mad scientist?
[SPEAKER_02]: He is a professor.
[SPEAKER_02]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's the same last name as Jason Okenohar.
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, that's hilarious.
[SPEAKER_02]: But it's 1996 guys that Independence Day came out.
[SPEAKER_02]: So the writers saw that.
[SPEAKER_02]: And then here's this 97 episode using the ship.
[SPEAKER_02]: So they kind of reused that idea.
[SPEAKER_02]: I think from from the movie.
[SPEAKER_02]: Hey.
[SPEAKER_02]: Right.
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, you know, well, whatever creative of the idea, it's a great idea.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: And the same thing was using the series falling skies.
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, like you said, it's a Trojan horse.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's a classic story telling rope.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's right.
[SPEAKER_02]: So the original was the Trojan horse story, which predates independence day by a few details in the millennia.
[SPEAKER_00]: It was just a Trojan horse idea rather than having anything to do with independence day.
[SPEAKER_02]: Right.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_02]: Exactly.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: Exactly.
[SPEAKER_02]: It could have been that too.
[SPEAKER_02]: Right.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, we go on to the gym at our control room and they're preparing this gym at our ship.
[SPEAKER_01]: Nog mentions he wants chairs.
[SPEAKER_01]: He's like, where's the chairs on this ship?
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, that's crazy.
[SPEAKER_01]: Miles mentions there's no food replicators.
[SPEAKER_01]: Dax is talking about no windows.
[SPEAKER_01]: You can't see the view screen.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, but sheer wants an infirmary.
[SPEAKER_01]: This is, this is not to be an easy ship to live on.
[SPEAKER_01]: They're even talking about waste extraction.
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't even know if there's waste extraction here.
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh well, just open a window.
[SPEAKER_01]: There's no window.
[SPEAKER_00]: I love the realistic moment of them having an ordinary, ordinary conversation that anybody would have in this situation.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: Really, I think you need those moments when you're under that kind of stress to complain about some small things and conveniences.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, even like, no, he says, well, I'd love to see a gem at our soldier on the defiance.
[SPEAKER_01]: See how well he does.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like, yeah, it's very, it feels very relatable in the midst of all this techno babble relatable.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, Bashir wants a surgical tissue regenerator because he says this could get ugly.
[SPEAKER_01]: I actually thought that was a good reminder of like the seriousness, like everybody's talking about cares, you know, more, more lighthearted things and the sheer's like, no, what we need is to be able to save lives.
[SPEAKER_00]: Because he's downer-dave in this.
[SPEAKER_00]: He's a downer.
[SPEAKER_00]: But realistic downer.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yes, so he's a shot of real reality basically, but they go back to lightness after that.
[SPEAKER_02]: He talks about the disuser generator and dash goes maybe, but right now I'd settle for a view screen.
[SPEAKER_02]: Nog goes or a chair and no Brian or a sandwich.
[SPEAKER_02]: So they go right back into their little thing.
[SPEAKER_00]: So who wants to talk about maybe dying because we've been living this for months now and we know and we've been in war before.
[SPEAKER_00]: This is not our first hold your breath.
[SPEAKER_00]: This could be it.
[SPEAKER_00]: So down or Dave back to the back to your room.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, they're talking about sandwiches and all that Cisco arrives at the garrick.
[SPEAKER_01]: They prepare to leave.
[SPEAKER_01]: He has to put this headset on.
[SPEAKER_01]: So he can look on the little screen and we start to see the POV.
[SPEAKER_01]: They've got these cuts to that little square.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, that is the view screen because there is the view screen.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, yes, and it's a bit of a bumpy take off.
[SPEAKER_01]: I do like actually, we know.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: I just, I kind of boggle it how many languages they must speak to know all of the controls.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: I wonder if they've got like we never talk about a universal translator for language, but I wonder if there's like
[SPEAKER_01]: So we never see it.
[SPEAKER_01]: No.
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, I mean, I know what, I'm sure the tri-quarter probably just, you can, right?
[SPEAKER_00]: But we don't see us using it.
[SPEAKER_00]: We never talk about it.
[SPEAKER_02]: But nobody speaks Gemhead R. You know what I'm saying?
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, they don't know that.
[SPEAKER_02]: And they don't know the language or the written language.
[SPEAKER_02]: They'd have to have something to translate.
[SPEAKER_01]: They did do a lingo.
[SPEAKER_01]: They did do a quick do a lingo course.
[SPEAKER_01]: And they're good to go with Gemhead R language.
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, we do it with the Kardashians, and we've done it with the thing ons, yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Although I imagine Dax knows Klingon.
[SPEAKER_01]: We go back to the space station.
[SPEAKER_01]: Kira goes to see Dacot, who's called for her, she arrives.
[SPEAKER_01]: He basically is saying, you know, we haven't had much time together.
[SPEAKER_01]: He starts getting kind of creepy.
[SPEAKER_01]: She's like, I don't have time for this.
[SPEAKER_01]: Goes to leave, and he kind of puts his foot down, says, I have not dismissed you yet.
[SPEAKER_01]: So, he's got a creepy sort of like, I'm the boss, but I want you to like me.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's a very, yeah, it's a very, and she's freaking excellent in this.
[SPEAKER_01]: She's so good.
[SPEAKER_00]: Death daggers in her eyes.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_00]: And when he goes to touch her, I was like, when he touched her.
[SPEAKER_02]: Uh, no, he touched her face.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, I'm sure that was real.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, he tries to clear the air in this scene says the Kardashians were losing everything and now they have the entire alpha quadrant basically with the dominion and he says I can make things pleasant for you.
[SPEAKER_01]: You.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's when she kind of loses it and basically says I'm always going to hate you.
[SPEAKER_01]: And he goes, we'll see.
[SPEAKER_01]: Be patient.
[SPEAKER_00]: So I like to though, and he says, yes, we will.
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, I could make things for.
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, that pleasant.
[SPEAKER_00]: And she says, you could start by doing something about your breath.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_01]: That was like.
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh.
[SPEAKER_00]: What a perfect thing to say, you know, that is one of those hard things to say about to someone, like do you hand them a piece of gum offered them a mint?
[SPEAKER_01]: But also it's just so demeaning and shaving and it was great.
[SPEAKER_01]: We go back to the Jemodar control room.
[SPEAKER_01]: Cisco has a headache now from that headset that dang headset.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's made for Jemodar and not for humans.
[SPEAKER_01]: and garric offers to wear it, things may be on the Cardassian that won't have the same effect.
[SPEAKER_01]: And Cisco sort of reluctantly agrees when Nog says, hey, I'm picking up a Starfleet vessel and Cisco knows exactly who it is, the ship.
[SPEAKER_02]: Um, it is, uh, his good friend Charlie Reynolds, but uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, they end up in a battle, Charlie Reynolds, Cisco's friend thinks that there a gym at our ship as you would.
[SPEAKER_01]: So he starts firing and then they Cisco reluctantly sort of exchanges fire.
[SPEAKER_01]: He's trying not to destroy the ship, but he wants he's got a fight back.
[SPEAKER_01]: And he knows Charlie's habits.
[SPEAKER_01]: He knows what Charlie's going to do.
[SPEAKER_01]: How he's going to hang closer.
[SPEAKER_00]: I love that.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, that was cool.
[SPEAKER_01]: And in the middle of this exchange of fire suddenly the center
[SPEAKER_01]: runs off, and we pick up three gym adarships.
[SPEAKER_01]: coming in, they fly right by us, right by our gym.
[SPEAKER_00]: Because to get away from Charlie, we had to go into Dominion space, right?
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: He couldn't go too deep.
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, he's heading back because he detects other Jemodarships coming at him.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's why he took it around.
[SPEAKER_02]: He didn't care about crossing into the space.
[SPEAKER_02]: He kept firing at at Cisco and company.
[SPEAKER_02]: Remember that?
[SPEAKER_00]: Exactly.
[SPEAKER_00]: Thank you.
[SPEAKER_02]: But I almost felt that Cisco could have easily said, okay, use that aft tail light to flash out a more
[SPEAKER_00]: what a genius I are starfleet yeah because you know did they have tail lights we needed a forever incident our show
[SPEAKER_02]: Whatever, so you may have been on the bridge.
[SPEAKER_02]: You could have suggested that.
[SPEAKER_02]: So let's go, let's go.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yes, Harry Kim would have saved the day there.
[SPEAKER_00]: Harry Kim definitely would have.
[SPEAKER_01]: And then Cisco has to decide, do I help, you know, my body Charlie or do I just keep going on my mission?
[SPEAKER_01]: He decides to keep going on his missions.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, yes, do we can't suddenly, what are we going to do?
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, what are you going to do?
[SPEAKER_00]: In a gem of dark ship, we're going to attack Jim Hedart.
[SPEAKER_01]: Right.
[SPEAKER_01]: That'll spill the beans right there.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: And how big is the fleet that's going to come when that happens?
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, DAX says I wish we could help, but Cisco says he's been in tight spots, he'll figure it out.
[SPEAKER_01]: So they're back to their mission.
[SPEAKER_01]: We cut back to this DS9 in the security office, Kira's telling Odo that basically in the scene, he should demand way in, restore his Bajoran deputies.
[SPEAKER_01]: Because Odo sitting in his office going, I'm not doing anything.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, blah, my hair.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I don't have a, I don't have deputies.
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't have a staff.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, why am I even, what am I doing?
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, what am I doing?
[SPEAKER_00]: And could you imagine having your higher power be a physical entity that you could have a conversation with?
[SPEAKER_00]: That would be cool.
[SPEAKER_01]: That would be cool.
[SPEAKER_00]: Not just one in your head, but literally.
[SPEAKER_01]: And Kira says at the end of it, you know, you've got this power as a changeling.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and what good is that power if you're not using it.
[SPEAKER_01]: You've got it exactly.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's not power unless you stand up for it.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Odo goes to visit where you.
[SPEAKER_02]: But in the beginning, he's not in that scene.
[SPEAKER_02]: So it's just it's just a cut.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, okay.
[SPEAKER_02]: Fourth.
[SPEAKER_01]: Right.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, the very beginning, Aoun is giving the gem-hadar some catcher cell white.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_01]: He's feeding them.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think that was smart.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: To reinforce.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Remind us that it's running low.
[SPEAKER_01]: And you can see when they put it in their little slip thing.
[SPEAKER_01]: They go.
[SPEAKER_02]: They get a hit of it.
[SPEAKER_02]: And then that's when Odo enters.
[SPEAKER_02]: Demar says he's been very insistent on seeing you.
[SPEAKER_02]: Odo comes in and immediately goes surveyed the way to you.
[SPEAKER_02]: And way you and Ashley walks towards Odo.
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, it is personality changes.
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, my God.
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, my God.
[SPEAKER_00]: Found her.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm honored by your visit.
[SPEAKER_02]: Is there some way I can be of service.
[SPEAKER_02]: And Odo's like, I went my major insecurity office reinstated.
[SPEAKER_02]: And way you and say, consider it done.
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, without even skipping a beat.
[SPEAKER_02]: It was like, Ray, you can have that.
[SPEAKER_02]: You can have that.
[SPEAKER_01]: and do caught tries to protest he tries to say yeah well I'm not sure about that on the way I'm just shuts him down very quickly I'll thank you to keep out of it is what he says to us oh yes so good oh yeah oh yeah yeah from now on way way it's like now that I've done something for you maybe you can do me a favor so he's oh did you not like oh oh no what is that gonna be what do you want
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, we learn in the next scene in quarks that Wayun has offered Odo a position on the station ruling council, so not only is it our favor, but it's more power, it's great!
[SPEAKER_00]: So great.
[SPEAKER_00]: And thank you, Kira, for pushing him in that direction.
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, it is great.
[SPEAKER_01]: But Kira also says, well, it's a mixed blessing because if you sit on this council, it's going to validate the dominion.
[SPEAKER_02]: So, but I agree with you, Kira is a little she's conflicted about what the pluses out way the minuses.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, what it is.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: And you know what side you're on.
[SPEAKER_01]: Mm-hmm.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: He's not like Odo's going to spill beans about anything.
[SPEAKER_01]: And he does say, you know, maybe before when it was the Kardashians running this place, I was on the, you know, the bad guy side.
[SPEAKER_01]: But now I'm not going to be alone.
[SPEAKER_01]: I've got you to help me.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, yes, yes, she's got him.
[SPEAKER_00]: And then they hold hands, right?
[SPEAKER_00]: Doesn't take his hand.
[SPEAKER_00]: What?
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, yes.
[SPEAKER_02]: She does.
[SPEAKER_02]: I forgot about it.
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, no, they do that little like bam, we're a team.
[SPEAKER_02]: I thought you meant.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it was kind of a weird stage because it's kind of facing a way and she gets his hand and sort of, right.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, but it's still significant.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's more than a high five.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's like, it's camaraderie, like, like, we're a team.
[SPEAKER_02]: We're together on this.
[SPEAKER_02]: I love you.
[SPEAKER_02]: You know, kind of thing.
[SPEAKER_00]: But also, like,
[SPEAKER_00]: And how he wished, we've already heard about how he wished he would have had.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: Listen to himself and done things differently.
[SPEAKER_00]: So it's like he has an opportunity to just better this time.
[SPEAKER_02]: To correct it.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's an amazing opportunity when life hands do that.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, we go back to the Gemhadar control room.
[SPEAKER_01]: They're orbiting around an asteroid and they're watching another ship resupply.
[SPEAKER_00]: cool freaking shot.
[SPEAKER_00]: Do we know the names of the people who did all of that work?
[SPEAKER_00]: Because they should all be celebrated because that isn't sane.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's just crazy to me that I don't know their names off the top of my head.
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't either.
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know the whole team that was probably lots and lots doesn't come out of this effects team.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: All of these exterior
[SPEAKER_00]: shots are mind blowing.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, so beautiful.
[SPEAKER_01]: They're so good.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, they keep cutting back and forth.
[SPEAKER_01]: They're watching this other German-Archip resupply the Tetris El White.
[SPEAKER_01]: They're timing it.
[SPEAKER_01]: They're looking at all the details.
[SPEAKER_01]: And while they're taking notes, O'Brien is getting the bomb ready.
[SPEAKER_01]: And they see that it took 92.3 seconds for the exchange last time.
[SPEAKER_01]: So they get their bomb ready.
[SPEAKER_01]: their ship and it seems like the plan seems to be working.
[SPEAKER_01]: Right.
[SPEAKER_02]: So they get the resupply and they beam down the empty canisters with the bomb to the planet.
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, and basically the empty canisters.
[SPEAKER_00]: Got it for the first second.
[SPEAKER_00]: I was like,
[SPEAKER_00]: How did that happen again?
[SPEAKER_02]: Right.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's how they did it.
[SPEAKER_02]: They snuck it in because they watched Garak is listening into the all the communications of the other Jim and Arnold.
[SPEAKER_00]: And he's doing great with that IP.
[SPEAKER_02]: He's doing really good.
[SPEAKER_02]: But then they come across a problem.
[SPEAKER_02]: After they have, they have everything.
[SPEAKER_02]: They've already dropped off the bomb and now the sudden the defense net with the force field goes back up.
[SPEAKER_02]: They're like, oh, what are we going to do?
[SPEAKER_00]: And we're inside this bubble.
[SPEAKER_02]: right so they're like can we just can we deactivate the defense shield can the net go down they're like no we can't do that but the explosion will deactivate the net and yes this goes things of all right since this goes kind of putting that together he's put together and he realizes they can still get out of there if they time it where they're at full impulse as they're heading towards the net the net has to go down and then they'll
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, we're saying this, and it's just gave me a huge zest of anxiety.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, it's definitely going to try to ride the shockwave or something, right?
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, it's kind of the shockwave out of there.
[SPEAKER_02]: But if they time it wrong, they could hit the force field.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, they could hit the force field.
[SPEAKER_02]: They could all kinds of things can go wrong.
[SPEAKER_01]: They needed a moment like on Voyager with Ballana and Janeway when they're talking this through and then they go Warguard Articles.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's a Voyager reference.
[SPEAKER_00]: I wasn't ready for that.
[SPEAKER_01]: I know.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, timing is everything on this though, but we've been here before.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, I do like that DAX is is trying to do some Siancing here where she says, well, a radio geodesic in a 39 Cochrane warp field Contracts normal space at the rate of and Bashir's right on top of it.
[SPEAKER_01]: He's like Doing math in his head is genetically engineered brain.
[SPEAKER_00]: We have to 1.3 seconds before the bomb detonates Yeah, and then I like hope
[SPEAKER_01]: Cisco doesn't trust him.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I see the computer agrees with with Julian.
[SPEAKER_00]: But it is kind of annoying.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: It is annoying.
[SPEAKER_00]: Down or Dave, go back to your cave.
[SPEAKER_02]: But all of these calculations aren't, they go out the window because the explosion happens sooner than they expect.
[SPEAKER_02]: Remember that is just like a oops it already exploded.
[SPEAKER_02]: So they then start booking it to the uh to the
[SPEAKER_02]: get out of there as fast as they can.
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't understand though.
[SPEAKER_01]: How did it why did the explosion happen?
[SPEAKER_01]: Like, there's a lot of confusion in this moment.
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, why are we talking about how many seconds we have left?
[SPEAKER_00]: One point three seconds before the one point three.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's nothing.
[SPEAKER_00]: So then we talk about it.
[SPEAKER_00]: One point three seconds are gone.
[SPEAKER_00]: He says 1.3 stacks and then I'm configuring it with the computer and this whole little conversation 22 seconds until the explosion, but
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, there's a lot of confusing math in here.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I think that was one of my criticisms of this.
[SPEAKER_01]: It seemed to suddenly, you had to absorb a lot of information.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I'm not really sure.
[SPEAKER_01]: Why did the bomb explode early?
[SPEAKER_01]: Why did that?
[SPEAKER_00]: It's, we have to go to 1.3 seconds before the bomb detonates.
[SPEAKER_00]: And we have 22 seconds until the explosion.
[SPEAKER_00]: But we're not looking at it clock going, I mean, I am, but obviously we didn't calculate it at the right moment.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think they're saying when the generator is destroyed, the net will come down and that from the bomb exploding to the net coming down is 1.3 seconds.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's the most I'm you've got.
[SPEAKER_02]: That makes sense.
[SPEAKER_02]: There's no explanation for why the bomb goes off early, but I'm willing to assume that whoever set the charges on there, something malfunctioned.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's the only explanation.
[SPEAKER_01]: crazy.
[SPEAKER_00]: Or maybe it got set off because that whoever we detected it.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, that's what I was assuming, but there's a lot of assumption.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yes, but they make it out.
[SPEAKER_02]: They do.
[SPEAKER_02]: They do make it up.
[SPEAKER_01]: But well, they're really with a lot of damage.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, the entire portion.
[SPEAKER_00]: Look insane.
[SPEAKER_02]: Really good job there.
[SPEAKER_00]: Really good job.
[SPEAKER_00]: Except for again, does that happen in space?
[SPEAKER_00]: Because there's no oxygen.
[SPEAKER_02]: Right.
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean we just have it looks cool.
[SPEAKER_00]: It looks freaking cool.
[SPEAKER_00]: It did and it felt like oh my God we're not going to get out of there.
[SPEAKER_01]: No, but you survive, but the core matrix is fried.
[SPEAKER_01]: Garic acid.
[SPEAKER_01]: How long it's going to take to get back.
[SPEAKER_01]: Downer Dave says.
[SPEAKER_01]: And downer Dave Bashir says 17 years, two months and three days.
[SPEAKER_01]: Give her take an hour.
[SPEAKER_02]: I like that last part.
[SPEAKER_01]: Give her a minute.
[SPEAKER_00]: And then it ends.
[SPEAKER_01]: And then it ends.
[SPEAKER_00]: What a crazy cliffhanger.
[SPEAKER_02]: It really is.
[SPEAKER_00]: I loved it.
[SPEAKER_02]: All right, it's time for our theme slash less than slash more of this episode.
[SPEAKER_02]: Tear fair.
[SPEAKER_02]: What was yours?
[SPEAKER_00]: Mine is look for the most essential and keystone of the enemy and attack.
[SPEAKER_00]: Mmm, it's always the bottom line.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's like a lawyer.
[SPEAKER_00]: What's the most important thing?
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: What is the operative word kind of thing?
[SPEAKER_00]: And it's the white.
[SPEAKER_00]: I like that.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: Taking care of the catcher so white.
[SPEAKER_02]: Mine's kind of in the same neighborhood.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I said fortune favors the bull because they are making an active decision to go to the enemy as opposed to sit back and wait till they come to defend.
[SPEAKER_02]: So going on the offense is another way of saying sometimes you have to go on the offense.
[SPEAKER_02]: Robby, what's yours?
[SPEAKER_01]: Mine is when things get challenging, creativity is the answer.
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, I like it, I like it.
[SPEAKER_02]: Our Patreon poll winner for theme slash lesson slash moral of this episode is submitted by Lori Ulster.
[SPEAKER_02]: Lori says resistance is not futile.
[SPEAKER_02]: So the old board saying, but tweaked a little bit.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Thanks, Lori.
[SPEAKER_01]: OK, honorable mention for theme and moral is submitted by Nicole Brattell.
[SPEAKER_01]: And that is United.
[SPEAKER_01]: We stand divided.
[SPEAKER_01]: We fall.
[SPEAKER_01]: Great.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's the truth.
[SPEAKER_02]: Thanks, everyone, for tuning into this recap and discussion of a time to stand and join us next time when we will be recapping and discussing the episode Rockson Sholes
[SPEAKER_02]: It is really special when both of you are on at the same time, it's like, oh my god, they're together.
[SPEAKER_02]: Okay, so.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it's fun for me too.
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