[SPEAKER_04]: Softly loud, and hold me warm against your heart.
[SPEAKER_04]: I hear your words, the tender trembling moments die.
[SPEAKER_04]: We're in war, our own.
[SPEAKER_03]: Welcome, everybody, and again, it's Hollywood Godfather podcast with my Compoderae Pat Pichorelli, who wrote that famous book, Hollywood Godfather, my life in the movie and the mob that's still selling fortunately for us.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, you know, I'm so famous now.
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't even know why I'm here.
[SPEAKER_03]: Well, we're we're expanding your fame.
[SPEAKER_03]: That's why.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, thank you.
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_01]: That was the reason I got it.
[UNKNOWN]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_03]: our millennium is out sick today, the young kids, they can't take care of themselves.
[SPEAKER_03]: Anyway, they're going to help with themselves.
[SPEAKER_03]: We'll miss her.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yes, we will.
[SPEAKER_03]: Won't you introduce our guests?
[SPEAKER_03]: I know he's old friend of yours and I can't wait to talk to him.
[SPEAKER_03]: Well, friends of mine.
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, he's old.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm not.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's it.
[SPEAKER_01]: Today we're going to be talking about Operation Grey Lord.
[SPEAKER_01]: which was another cover up operation against the corrupt lawyers, politicians and cops.
[SPEAKER_01]: And Chicago in the 80s, this investigation went on a three and a half years and a lot of people wound up going to jail.
[SPEAKER_01]: In fact, a total of 93 people were indicted, including 17 judges, 48 lawyers, 10 deputy sheriffs,
[SPEAKER_01]: and state legislature, legislature, or James Delio.
[SPEAKER_03]: Now, come on, I don't get a cure in my eye when I hit those names.
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know.
[SPEAKER_01]: There was one mob guy in the group.
[SPEAKER_01]: So, at his 17 judges in guidance, 15 were convicted.
[SPEAKER_01]: And our guest, Paul C. Alino, I'll give you a background on Paul.
[SPEAKER_01]: He and I have been friends for years.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I've been in the business while I don't think I've met a better private investigator.
[SPEAKER_01]: He really knows his stuff.
[SPEAKER_01]: He's gotten several wrongfully convicted men off of death row on his own dime may I yet.
[SPEAKER_01]: And he was the primary person that was behind the then governor of Illinois to put a moratorium on the death penalty.
[SPEAKER_01]: So we get thankful for that.
[SPEAKER_01]: and without further delay, I give you Paul Cielino.
[SPEAKER_02]: Good afternoon, Pat Gianna, a pleasure to be on again with mine.
[SPEAKER_03]: Oh, you're angry, I'm looking forward to it.
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, but Paul's been on the show before, and he's always his valuable information for us.
[SPEAKER_01]: In this particular case, Paul has a lot of insider information.
[SPEAKER_01]: I have a little, I was,
[SPEAKER_01]: uh... introduced to one of the principles but uh... i'll get into him later is an ex-cop then bob kooley turned out to be a rustle's bag but that we'll talk about that later so pork and you give us uh... the all review and some inside of details and what this great lot operation was about well great lord basically was about corruption within the judicial uh... system in cook county which is the second largest uh... court system in the united states behind
[SPEAKER_02]: for years, and I mean historically going back to the days of Capone and before, the courts have been owned by basically anyone who could buy a case there, and they were notorious.
[SPEAKER_02]: If you want to be a judge, you went and saw the Democratic guy, gave money, he'd make you a judge.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's how it worked.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's largely how it still works today, although you could run without supporter endorsement,
[SPEAKER_02]: uh... and you may win on a rare occasion generally you got to go see the party in the in the party consists of the boys uh... and for many many years especially the first word is to call go to boys we're the organized crime guys wish i knew that i was one to be a judge
[SPEAKER_02]: You know, I could have been a judge back in the day, Gianni.
[SPEAKER_03]: I was there in the 80s.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, in fact, you're background's cleaner than some of the judges that became judges.
[SPEAKER_02]: So you could have been a judge at the Congo.
[SPEAKER_02]: What, what did a judgeship go for?
[SPEAKER_02]: What was the going right?
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, I mean, back then it wasn't too bad.
[SPEAKER_02]: $5,000, probably get their attention.
[SPEAKER_02]: Today it's more like $100,000.
[SPEAKER_02]: You're going to make the contribution.
[SPEAKER_02]: And it's still going on.
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, yeah, it's still going on.
[SPEAKER_02]: Okay, they deny it, but it's going on.
[SPEAKER_02]: You make, uh, you're doing a political pack.
[SPEAKER_02]: You make a big contribution.
[SPEAKER_02]: Next thing, you know, you're slated to be a judge.
[SPEAKER_03]: But do you have to have a law background in a normal act?
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, you got to be a lawyer to be a judge.
[SPEAKER_03]: You got to have a law like this.
[SPEAKER_03]: Oh, okay.
[SPEAKER_03]: I was going to say, wow.
[SPEAKER_03]: There will be a light out there.
[SPEAKER_02]: There are a lot of license or quite questionable, but yeah, listen.
[SPEAKER_02]: Judicious system in Cook County is notoriously bad.
[SPEAKER_02]: All we have then continues to this day.
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, let me ask you a question, Paul.
[SPEAKER_01]: So if this corruption was going on for a very long time, why did the feds decide, well, this is the time we're going to investigate.
[SPEAKER_01]: I kicked it off.
[SPEAKER_02]: I think, well, Dan Webb was the U.S. Attorney back then Jim Thompson, the four-term governor Illinois was the U.S. Attorney prior to him, and they made their hay on public corruption cases.
[SPEAKER_02]: Illinois is the most prop state in the United States.
[SPEAKER_02]: We have more politicians go to jail than any other state.
[SPEAKER_02]: This is historical.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, they call the teams to stop in West Virginia and told them, uh, you call miners a voting for Kennedy to state a never voted Democrat in its existence.
[SPEAKER_02]: They did that year.
[SPEAKER_02]: Uh, and that was all Sam G. and Connor and them guys.
[SPEAKER_03]: Oh, no.
[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, I made a lot of road trips for the culinary union to Vegas.
[SPEAKER_03]: And I, I, I, I, I, I, I quirky surveillance all them and Kansas City because they were running the team.
[SPEAKER_03]: She's brotherhood.
[SPEAKER_03]: sure.
[SPEAKER_03]: I was even into New Orleans.
[SPEAKER_02]: And so, you know, that's big time politics.
[SPEAKER_02]: Just think what it's like locally, though, right?
[SPEAKER_02]: Why?
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, locally, it's been off the hook forever.
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, it's probably as clean now as it's ever been.
[SPEAKER_02]: But back in the 80s is when I was starting my career in this business in Chicago, it was I, it was nothing for me to hear a defense lawyer tell a guy, hey, 10 20 grand, I could probably get to the
[SPEAKER_01]: there was a couple of homicides.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, that was sort of shuffle under the rock.
[SPEAKER_02]: So Henry Alhamin, most notorious hitman in Chicago history almost, he bought a not guilty verdict for 20 grand, I think.
[SPEAKER_02]: And they retried him they changed a lot double jeopardy over that case because the judge in that case it been bright He found him not guilty in the bench trial and then they brought him back to try him again and went to the Supreme Court And they said well no double jeopardy if the judge was bright that doesn't count.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: Oh, that's interesting That's probably the only the one case I've ever heard with a double jeopardy
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, that was because Aleman bribe the trial judge.
[SPEAKER_02]: I think it was guy named Mahoney.
[SPEAKER_02]: And when they confronted the judge who had retired, he was living in Arizona.
[SPEAKER_02]: The FBI went down there and said, hey, we got you.
[SPEAKER_02]: He committed suicide a day or two later.
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, wow.
[SPEAKER_01]: So the way I got involved in this was many, many years have to probably in the late 90s.
[SPEAKER_01]: I got a call from a guy named Bob Kooley,
[SPEAKER_01]: acquainted with, uh, Paul only I didn't know him at the time.
[SPEAKER_01]: He just called me.
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know how he got my phone number for one.
[SPEAKER_01]: There were no cell phones back then or the time didn't have one.
[SPEAKER_01]: So he called me on my phone and he says, do I have a story for you?
[SPEAKER_01]: So I was interested naturally.
[SPEAKER_01]: So he said, I'm in the witness protection program.
[SPEAKER_01]: And we have to be very careful about where we meet and how we meet.
[SPEAKER_01]: So we
[SPEAKER_01]: I said, I'm not going to Chicago, I'm kind of busy.
[SPEAKER_01]: You got to come to me.
[SPEAKER_01]: So he did, and we met in a friend's house.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I'm a pretty good judge of Kyle.
[SPEAKER_03]: Where are you living again?
[SPEAKER_01]: Pittsburgh.
[SPEAKER_03]: OK, I'm just trying to get the locations for everybody.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I've been here since 1992.
[SPEAKER_03]: No, my audience, when you said he came to me.
[SPEAKER_03]: So you take a grand everybody knows you're in Pittsburgh.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's true, up until that time when he did contact me.
[SPEAKER_01]: I had written a couple of books, and a little of the same lines on the world figured it comes to me, and he got a good reputation, I want you to do my story, et cetera, so that's how he got my name.
[SPEAKER_01]: Anyway, so we meet, and I'm a pretty good judge of character, and I mean, I've been doing this a while, and 20 years of police work, and this guy was just
[SPEAKER_01]: sleazy what I'd be correct to saying that for well listen I don't like snitches to begin with and coolies in the snitch all of fame you can't trust the snitch as far as you could throw so yeah that's a app description Pat okay well he came to me he came to his background and he's well let me give you a little bit of his background as to your audience so you know Bob coolie was a police officer and in that capacity he was a bag man
[SPEAKER_01]: uh... and after uh... while he was uh... on the job he decided to go to law school it's a very bright side by the way i was a press with a center lack of a yes it was smart let me ask you a question at the audience must be thinking about where was your bagman what state what city talk oh chakara okay yeah no i think it is a he was a bagman for the outfit guys jianny okay
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and you also handed some of the handle some of their legal problems.
[SPEAKER_01]: He was the connect between the Cricut judges, lawyers, et cetera, and the people who want to pay them.
[SPEAKER_01]: He was the big man.
[SPEAKER_03]: And this was also when the 80s?
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: I probably met him at the Lidenmore Tell one note.
[SPEAKER_01]: This was part of Operation Grey Lord.
[SPEAKER_01]: So he, his story to me was that he found God, and he wanted to do the right thing, and he couldn't live with himself for being corrupt all this time.
[SPEAKER_01]: His conscience was bothering him.
[SPEAKER_01]: And Paul is you and I know he got caught with his hand in a cookie jar.
[SPEAKER_01]: What happened?
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, yeah, he got busted.
[SPEAKER_02]: And then he became an honest guy.
[SPEAKER_01]: And then he found God.
[SPEAKER_01]: Right.
[SPEAKER_01]: But that's not what he said.
[SPEAKER_03]: So they're Jimmy Hoffa.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'd say, you know,
[SPEAKER_01]: In a position I'm in, if I'm going to write somebody's story, the first thing that I make certain others, that the person is telling me the truth.
[SPEAKER_01]: And we start out, that's how I always start out.
[SPEAKER_01]: I have my disclaimer.
[SPEAKER_01]: Things like five minutes to go to the room.
[SPEAKER_01]: And it's basically, you tell me the truth, don't make yourself out to be a white knight.
[SPEAKER_01]: You have to floors your problems, you're telling the story, and the truth will sell.
[SPEAKER_01]: Editors will see through the bullshit.
[SPEAKER_01]: The readers will certainly see through the bullshit.
[SPEAKER_01]: So are we clear?
[SPEAKER_01]: So he says yes, this is before he told me anything that he comes across with this I found God and I couldn't live with my consciousness right then I know I think I'm wasting my time here But I think let me hear him out because the facts other facts other than his version of them How he was involved he was still gonna tell me at least it's for it and I wanted to hear it So after three days of this
[SPEAKER_01]: I couldn't take it anymore.
[SPEAKER_01]: I said, look, let me think about this and I'll get back to you.
[SPEAKER_01]: So the way we parted company was, and I'll never forget this guy.
[SPEAKER_01]: I was going to drive him to the airport, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: So I get in my car and he had bags with him, you know, logged, he spent the three days of Pittsburgh, he had to act the amount of luggage.
[SPEAKER_01]: And he says, the pop the trunk, I want to throw the luggage in the trunk.
[SPEAKER_01]: So I popped a trunk, I'm sitting in the car and he's back there from inordinate length of time.
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, if you want to try, I just nothing in my trunk except the spare tire and a case of books that I've written.
[SPEAKER_01]: I always carry around books because I never get stopped by cops.
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, if I'm speeding up something, I always, you know, you know, I have a police officer by the way, which I like a book.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's always helped me out.
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, so anyway, I didn't think anything.
[SPEAKER_01]: But I figured he's moving things around to get his bags back there.
[SPEAKER_01]: Drop them off the airport, I go home, open up the trunk, it's what's gone.
[SPEAKER_03]: all of them.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yep.
[SPEAKER_03]: Where did he was?
[SPEAKER_03]: Where did he fall so?
[SPEAKER_01]: I think he left me one.
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, but if I was sitting on a fence, you know, and I was, you know, I was going to confront them and say, look,
[SPEAKER_01]: But that's that's great.
[SPEAKER_01]: Your story is great.
[SPEAKER_01]: But you're lying.
[SPEAKER_01]: Tell me the real reason.
[SPEAKER_01]: And if you would have come across with the real reason, I would have done the book.
[SPEAKER_01]: But he didn't plus he stole my shit.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I was really pissed off.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I didn't have anything to do them.
[SPEAKER_01]: He tried to convince me called me a couple of times.
[SPEAKER_01]: And the last I heard a handful and and you may have an update on this guy, but he continues to move.
[SPEAKER_01]: He doesn't stay long in one place.
[SPEAKER_01]: He doesn't have a job per se where he gets a salary.
[SPEAKER_01]: He's a day trader and his office is his laptop and I told him you have dealings with him also.
[SPEAKER_02]: No, I knew him casually had run into him a few times, but I never had any personal dealings with him nor did any of my clients.
[SPEAKER_02]: I had a reputation this day away from.
[SPEAKER_03]: So did he get caught up in this hole?
[SPEAKER_03]: Reorganization.
[SPEAKER_02]: He did not get caught up in Gray Lord.
[SPEAKER_02]: He got caught up in the ailment killing where Henry was accused of killing a couple guys on a contract murder.
[SPEAKER_02]: He was the conduit for the bribery to the judge in that case.
[SPEAKER_02]: He wound up testifying in that case that changed the law about double jeopardy.
[SPEAKER_02]: So that's where he became fame as plus some there was some police a lot of police corruption cases along with him.
[SPEAKER_02]: Maybe it was a tail end of Gray Lord in the beginning of something some other new corruption case but Gray Lord had already been done.
[SPEAKER_02]: Gray Lord focused on the courts and the bribery that was going on with the court system.
[SPEAKER_03]: How many people did they take down in Gray Lord?
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, this is who got convicted.
[SPEAKER_02]: They convicted nine judges, 37 lawyers, and 19 court personnel, Cook County, sheriffs, police, and Chicago police officers who worked in the court.
[SPEAKER_02]: That day, they were found guilty or pled guilty.
[SPEAKER_02]: And by the way, the Bible, in this case, is a book called Gray Lord, Justice Chicago, written by my friend Rob Ward and Jim Tui.
[SPEAKER_02]: who did a magnificent job laying this whole thing out from beginning to end.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's a phenomenal book.
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't even know if it's in print anymore.
[SPEAKER_02]: But they lay out the whole scheme.
[SPEAKER_02]: How it happened.
[SPEAKER_02]: They got unbelievably great stories in there.
[SPEAKER_02]: How greedy these crazy judges were.
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean,
[SPEAKER_02]: They were open in notorious.
[SPEAKER_02]: They had bailers.
[SPEAKER_02]: Judge would be drunk hung over laying in bed with college bailers and say, handle the bum call this morning.
[SPEAKER_02]: Now, this is right police headquarters in Chicago.
[SPEAKER_02]: The bailers would put on the judges' robes and go through the bum call, find, you know, 200 guys not guilty.
[SPEAKER_02]: And no one knew it was a cop where the judges' robes judges just hung over didn't want to be bothered with it.
[SPEAKER_02]: So the cop did his call form every morning.
[SPEAKER_03]: Oh my god.
[SPEAKER_02]: One day he's doing his call and one of his particular guys giving the lock up people a really hard time and fighting with them and you're all communist etc.
[SPEAKER_02]: So
[SPEAKER_02]: He clears the courtroom and gets rid of all the bombs and he brings this guy out after talking to the, uh, lock up people.
[SPEAKER_02]: And he says, I find you guilty and I sentence you to death.
[SPEAKER_02]: Boom, take them away to death.
[SPEAKER_02]: I thought a judge just gave him a death sentence, right?
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, this this was not unusual.
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, this went on a lot back back and it's beautiful.
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, yeah, I'm sent you the death of the guy.
[SPEAKER_02]: Everyone is saw him in the courtroom.
[SPEAKER_02]: He bangs the gable.
[SPEAKER_02]: Take them away.
[SPEAKER_02]: Take them to the gals.
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, he were dumb with this.
[SPEAKER_02]: And this guy, he just got sent it to death for smart enough that a jailer.
[SPEAKER_03]: That's a crazy story.
[SPEAKER_02]: Listen, they were taking bribes five to $1.20 in traffic court.
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, you know, bond slips in gambling court.
[SPEAKER_02]: The lawyers would split with the judge.
[SPEAKER_02]: The bond was $300.
[SPEAKER_02]: The judge would get a hundred and fifty lawyer would get a hundred and fifty.
[SPEAKER_02]: Now they were a little back then.
[SPEAKER_02]: Lawyers are collecting six figures on these bond slips, right?
[SPEAKER_02]: So there's a lot of money.
[SPEAKER_02]: being moved around the judges today make a lot of daughter, probably making about 160,000 a year, salary, great benefit tech is back then, they're probably making it 60, 70,000 a year, which was okay, but no one's getting rich, but some of these guys, they had expensive habits, gambling, horrors, you name it, and all the usual bad habits that corrupt people have, right?
[SPEAKER_02]: it's scared to shoot out of every lawyer in Cook County in Chicago.
[SPEAKER_02]: Let me tell you, everybody was very, very careful for a number of years after that.
[SPEAKER_02]: And even today, there's no open corruption going on.
[SPEAKER_02]: No one even think of driving a judge today, that just not even thought of.
[SPEAKER_02]: So they did do their job, but a lot of bad things happened as a result of grade lawyer too.
[SPEAKER_02]: There was a case called the market 10 I worked on,
[SPEAKER_02]: Essentially, aggressive guys who work the bad neighborhood on the west side locking up drug dealers and killers, etc.
[SPEAKER_02]: They all went to jail based on the word of a notorious drug dealer named CW Wilson in 60 other drug addicts.
[SPEAKER_02]: And they put these guys in jail.
[SPEAKER_02]: I worked this case, and they all got the minimum 10 years.
[SPEAKER_02]: Some got 20 on this case.
[SPEAKER_02]: And they could never prove they took a penny.
[SPEAKER_02]: It was basically, I mean, none of these guys were living well.
[SPEAKER_02]: Their wives all worked, their kids worked.
[SPEAKER_02]: These guys were hardcore.
[SPEAKER_02]: We're not going to plead guilty.
[SPEAKER_02]: No one was going to cave in.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I think we had the case.
[SPEAKER_02]: One we had a juror who hated the government in that case.
[SPEAKER_02]: And Dan Web was the prosecutor.
[SPEAKER_02]: And Web come to us with a deal.
[SPEAKER_02]: The time to finish and listen, guys, please guilty.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'll take off the heavy federal charge.
[SPEAKER_02]: There'll be no mandatory minimums of 10.
[SPEAKER_02]: And these guys basically said, kiss my ass.
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, we had a problem.
[SPEAKER_02]: We're getting
[SPEAKER_02]: another juror came on and replaced them in alternate and they found these guys all guilty of the charge.
[SPEAKER_02]: It was really a travesty I thought because there was never proven these guys took money from CW Wilson's drug dealer.
[SPEAKER_02]: And web and disclosing argument act it like Wilson was going to be in jail until sometime in 2000.
[SPEAKER_02]: This is back in 86, I believe.
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, at a time they got done cutting a deal with Wilson and everyone got sentence all cops went to jail.
[SPEAKER_02]: Wilson got out of Wilson used to say, I went to jail in a Cadillac and when I get out, I'll be in a Cadillac and sure enough, when he got out of jail like a year and a half later, he got out in a Cadillac and went right back to drug dealing.
[SPEAKER_02]: So the people that the people look at the heavy time with the cops always pat.
[SPEAKER_02]: I would say on average, maybe these judges
[SPEAKER_02]: and some of the cops flip and they got deals, some don't keep their pensions, even after they put guilty at some federal charges, they were allowed to keep their pensions.
[SPEAKER_02]: So, but the point, these judges were, you know, they could have walked without some of the testimony of the cops who were actually the bag man.
[SPEAKER_02]: And a couple of judges did walk and perhaps were innocent.
[SPEAKER_02]: I worked one case what a judge was found not guilty as wife basically located the records during the trial that proved he couldn't have been someplace taken a bribe and we got a not guilty in that particular case that was Judge Lory.
[SPEAKER_01]: But there are any other suicides that there's no one that you mentioned?
[SPEAKER_02]: No, there's none other than I recall.
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't think any of the other ones committed suicide.
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, before anybody asks why email next week about Koolie, Koolie eventually found an author to write his book and believe all his bullshit.
[SPEAKER_01]: And the book was published, I read it, and it was a fantasy, you know, and like I said, at the start of this, readers know when they're getting host, you know, the book went nowhere.
[SPEAKER_01]: The writing was excellent.
[SPEAKER_01]: I forget who wrote it, but very good writer, but I could tell, perhaps he was a little naive.
[SPEAKER_02]: You know, and it didn't fully get one of the G in con, our relatives are right there.
[SPEAKER_02]: Book that, his son, yeah, and his son has nephew with the same name, but you're right.
[SPEAKER_02]: And, and I would tell everybody, listen, informants, lila, if they're breathing, they're lying loosely.
[SPEAKER_02]: And when the government gets involved, they'll tell any light they need to tell to save their ass.
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, I've just seen it a thousand times in this business.
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't trust informants.
[SPEAKER_02]: Don't like informants.
[SPEAKER_02]: If there were no informants, there'd be a lot less people in jail.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, and the police wouldn't be so successful, though.
[SPEAKER_03]: Ha ha ha ha.
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, yeah, particularly jailhouse niches.
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, the war, yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: You can't trust anything that comes out of a jailhouse niches mouth.
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, it's so bad in Illinois.
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, listen, there are a lot of people who've been executed based on jailhouse snitch testimony.
[SPEAKER_02]: And proven later that these snitches never even had access to the guy that they were testifying against.
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, this is a big problem with jailhouse snitches, which is the worst of the worst, because these guys go running their prosecutor, they might be locked up on a DUI.
[SPEAKER_02]: And it caught in a deal on a murder case, they get six months shaved off their DUI sentence.
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, that's kind of individual you're dealing with.
[SPEAKER_02]: A lot of drug addicts that just don't like being locked up because it's tough to get high in jail.
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, and I was going for my doctorate.
[SPEAKER_01]: I did a research paper on how snitches and a lot of them professionals.
[SPEAKER_01]: They do this same guy over and over and over again.
[SPEAKER_01]: No matter what kind of case it is, he's got information.
[SPEAKER_01]: Because, you know, it gets locked up consistently.
[SPEAKER_01]: And a lot of times, you know, it depends when it comes down to that, when it's a stitches on his stand, it would depend on the expertise of the defense castle
[SPEAKER_01]: indicate that this guy is a liar.
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, and in the old days, the judges would let us get at these snitches like really go after them, but they're so protected by the judge off and off the prosecutor that you never get down to the nitty gritty of who this person is that's the fine.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I'm back in the day, I remember I had a guy a biker who was just fine against my three Italian clients who owned a bar in the bar burned down.
[SPEAKER_02]: I have to think they did not burn down their power by the way, that's what money making power.
[SPEAKER_02]: But this guy was a motorcycle gang member in prison and he came in to testify and by the time we got done with this guy, he was so outrageous that jury hated him.
[SPEAKER_02]: Our guys were all found not guilty.
[SPEAKER_02]: And Gianni, great, great story about a tie-ins.
[SPEAKER_02]: If you're in a course of the trial,
[SPEAKER_02]: The government come to one of our clients, the young Mr. Tang and brother and said, listen, if you testify against your brothers, we'll let you go home to your wife and little children, right?
[SPEAKER_02]: So that night we're in a meeting in the lawyer's office, right?
[SPEAKER_02]: And the youngest brother's wife is like, you're taking this deal, buddy.
[SPEAKER_02]: All right, you're coming home with me.
[SPEAKER_02]: And man, you cannot believe the fight between the wives in the lawyer's conference room that night.
[SPEAKER_02]: You hold their wise going to beat that ass right there, right?
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, he wound up not testifying against his brothers.
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't believe he ever would have, but the young white wanted him to.
[SPEAKER_02]: But she wasn't the older sister laws were like, we all go to jail or nobody goes to jail.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's how this is going to happen.
[SPEAKER_02]: And it was kind of funny, because the husbands are just sitting there, like an tennis match watching the wise go at it, right?
[SPEAKER_02]: And it was hilarious watching this thing.
[SPEAKER_02]: But that's what informs you.
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't remember when they owned a bar in Chicago Heights and they owned a construction company as well.
[SPEAKER_02]: They were young dudes, man.
[SPEAKER_02]: They were good guys.
[SPEAKER_02]: And that's a money from the construction business.
[SPEAKER_02]: They opened a bar.
[SPEAKER_02]: Chicago Heights in the Tories out of the area.
[SPEAKER_02]: But I don't think they had any connection.
[SPEAKER_02]: other than the fact they knew everybody grew up in the neighborhood, right?
[SPEAKER_03]: Well, it had to get permission to snow in the barn in the neighborhood.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, they were pretty clean cut guys though just, you know, young and and funny as hell.
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, they were great defendants.
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, they paid their bills and we walked them out of the federal courthouse, which is rare.
[SPEAKER_03]: Wow.
[SPEAKER_01]: So were there any any, any law enforcement careers made out of this gray lord?
[SPEAKER_02]: case well you know the FBI loves to give each other medals on every case I'm sure it's about a 500 agents that got out of boys and medals and promotions and you know.
[SPEAKER_02]: What about the prosecutors?
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, the prosecutors all went on to bigger and better things.
[SPEAKER_02]: Political office, that's right.
[SPEAKER_02]: Dan Webb is one of the most highest payed attorneys in the United States.
[SPEAKER_02]: And he's just sitting around.
[SPEAKER_02]: He's still based out of Chicago.
[SPEAKER_02]: He's getting up there.
[SPEAKER_02]: He just, he was a special prosecutor in the Jesse Smallet case, if you could believe it.
[SPEAKER_03]: Oh, my God.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, he just prosecuted Jesse Smallet on a bunch of misdemeanors, basically.
[SPEAKER_03]: How's that, what's going on with that case?
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, yeah, Jerry found him guilty.
[SPEAKER_02]: He's going to get probation.
[SPEAKER_02]: We'll walk out the door with his little Aunt Raj and write a book about how he was framed at some point.
[SPEAKER_03]: I wonder who's paying his bills?
[SPEAKER_02]: That's a good question, Gianni, because I think his broke ass is broke.
[SPEAKER_03]: Oh, no, he's so broke.
[SPEAKER_02]: He's walking around and not to Raj and they're all dressed nice and he had some high price legal talent for a while.
[SPEAKER_03]: Oh, I knew they were, I believe they were from LA.
[SPEAKER_02]: Right.
[SPEAKER_02]: By the way, there was a young lady who worked at Tina, and we used to watch the news just to see the lovely Tina click, click, click down the courthouse.
[SPEAKER_03]: Oh, she was with them every day.
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, she was fabulous, man.
[SPEAKER_02]: We love watching her.
[SPEAKER_02]: I was disappointed when she quit the case.
[SPEAKER_03]: And what's your, she worked for what's your name?
[SPEAKER_02]: The entertainment lawyer.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: God, what's his name, Maddie?
[SPEAKER_03]: Adam L.A.
[SPEAKER_02]: Very nice guy.
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, Gary goes.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, Mark Gerego.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, she worked for Mark because I met him here in New York.
[SPEAKER_03]: I knew of myself.
[SPEAKER_02]: Tina, the lovely Tina.
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: Hello.
[SPEAKER_02]: Pat, you'd be throwing books at her if you met her in the bar.
[SPEAKER_01]: Talk about books.
[SPEAKER_01]: You and I have the same backdrop here.
[SPEAKER_02]: Buddy, I am trying to keep up with you, man.
[SPEAKER_02]: You know, I don't have a PhD, but maybe in bullshit.
[SPEAKER_02]: But I got more books than you have, I think.
[SPEAKER_03]: I do it in the book.
[SPEAKER_03]: You guys are being shot in the library too.
[SPEAKER_03]: You got so many books.
[SPEAKER_03]: Look at you guys.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's amazing.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, you know, if you ever get quarantine again, now you got to play yourself to read.
[SPEAKER_02]: Me too, I couldn't read all the stuff I got.
[SPEAKER_02]: And Gianni, of course, Hollywood Godfathers displayed prominently about three or four copies of that.
[SPEAKER_03]: Oh, great, good.
[SPEAKER_02]: I tell him my good friends wrote him.
[SPEAKER_02]: Gianni, with the Oscars and Grammys and whatever you're going to win this year now, Gianni, but I'll tell you, I'm going to blow you away in next year.
[SPEAKER_03]: Well, I don't know, Pat, I just got a TV series.
[SPEAKER_03]: And, uh, but I'm doing a rap album right now at 80 years old.
[SPEAKER_02]: You're unbelievable.
[SPEAKER_03]: We're going to go for the Grammys.
[SPEAKER_03]: And that's kids' a listen to it.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I don't know very much about rap, but my oldest son, Alex, you know, Alex Paul, you know?
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_01]: He was, he was a rapper while he was in college.
[SPEAKER_01]: He went by the name of Trippy Pick.
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, he actually did shows, he was in clubs, so he made, he, he knows the genre.
[SPEAKER_01]: Right.
[SPEAKER_01]: So, and, you know, Gianni and I don't, we come from a different school, you know.
[SPEAKER_01]: So, he says, you got to show this stuff to Alex, he, what he says.
[SPEAKER_01]: The kids flipped, he said, this is unbelievable, you know, and he played it.
[SPEAKER_01]: He's got a call with a lot of speakers and they got a new BMW going so when you hear this thing in full stereo I mean a Gianni's voice is in it's what you heard.
[SPEAKER_02]: I sent you one of these right did I it's incredible Gianni and I think one of the most creative things I've heard in a long long time I'm everybody shot.
[SPEAKER_03]: I'm getting phone calls and interviews now because they're timing obviously the Godfather's coming out
[SPEAKER_03]: on the 25th of February, in theaters, and then March is going broad on Pam on streaming.
[SPEAKER_03]: So anybody that's asking me for an interview, I said we got to talk about my rap.
[SPEAKER_03]: They said, what?
[SPEAKER_03]: And when they hear it, they let me talk about it.
[SPEAKER_02]: At Gianni, it's incredibly creative and well done.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I guarantee, I promise you, that thing's gonna be number one when it hits.
[SPEAKER_03]: About what we're working at, I'll tell you.
[SPEAKER_03]: And the kid, both of them, Joel, who does they actual rapping and writing and the producer, when he first got in touch at me, his name is Ashnik, the heat maker.
[SPEAKER_03]: And I said, I don't think it's fair, it's christian them with that name, but you know, we don't know, so I asked him to put it in writing what he wanted to do, but then I traced him out, he's one of the top producers for Sony multi platinum producers.
[SPEAKER_03]: And everybody listens to it, can't believe it.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's incredibly well done, and it's going to be a huge hit.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm sure.
[SPEAKER_01]: When this thing started, Johnny was telling me he was talking to them and I said, they're very thrilled to meet Johnny, and they basically said, on power phrasing this, you know, we test ourselves off as gangsters, but this guy, this guy here, he's a real gangster.
[SPEAKER_03]: You're the old school gangster, Gianni, you're the man, man, you're the man, you're the man, you're the old school gangster, Gianni, you're the man, man, you're the man, you're the man, you're the man, you're the man, you're the man, you're the man, you're the man, you're the man, you're the man, you're the man, you're the man, you're the man, you're the man, you're man, you're the man, you're the man, you're the man, you're the man, you're the man, you're man, you're the man, you're the man, you're the man, you're the man, you're the man, you're man, you're the man, you're the man, you're the man, you're the man, you're the man, you're the man, you're man, you're the man
[SPEAKER_02]: I never think of anything right.
[SPEAKER_03]: I never had a haircut son or never day a day in jail.
[SPEAKER_03]: You guys all went to jail.
[SPEAKER_03]: You're all in trouble.
[SPEAKER_03]: And you're talking about me.
[SPEAKER_03]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_01]: Great.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, but the day is still young man.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's not over yet.
[SPEAKER_03]: But Paul, you'll appreciate this.
[SPEAKER_03]: Paul, right now I'm in a James Patterson book.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's great.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's amazing.
[SPEAKER_03]: And I mean, I mean, I mean, the acknowledgments, it's one, I hate my good friend, Mark Seal, we know, he just did the book, you know, take the canola's lead, the gun with brilliant book.
[SPEAKER_03]: Great book, but this book is like, I'm getting calls on that, because it got Joe Colbumball, Barry Schlaanick, everybody's talking about me in the book.
[SPEAKER_03]: So I mean, it's just,
[SPEAKER_02]: No godfather without you brother.
[SPEAKER_02]: We all know that.
[SPEAKER_03]: Oh, you know.
[SPEAKER_03]: That's right.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, but I tell you I've heard I've heard the first four songs on this and they just keep getting better.
[SPEAKER_03]: Not good.
[SPEAKER_02]: I want to see your uh, Pat, you got to get a new look for the Grammys, okay?
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, yeah, you can show up like that, bro.
[SPEAKER_02]: You're gonna you're gonna have to you know get some cutting-edge stuff I'm as spike his hair or something.
[SPEAKER_03]: We're gonna.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I'm not even wearing pants here You know, you could that'll work.
[SPEAKER_01]: That'll get you out of there.
[SPEAKER_02]: That'll get you a lot of no-to-roidity But Gianni's gonna steal a show at the Grammys once again imagine any year-old rapper.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, it's not to make them around.
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, you're not here first.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's going to be a big hit.
[SPEAKER_02]: This stuff's going to be huge, man.
[SPEAKER_02]: I think so.
[SPEAKER_03]: I have a funny feeling about it.
[SPEAKER_03]: We've got a lot of reaction.
[SPEAKER_02]: And Gianni, you got a TV show coming out now, right?
[SPEAKER_02]: You're starring it.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, which is a candid.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's called Kansas City.
[SPEAKER_03]: And it's the same people from Yellowstone producing it.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's a great.
[SPEAKER_02]: These guys are great, man.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: And I thought they were kidding me again.
[SPEAKER_03]: I'm saying wait a minute.
[SPEAKER_03]: They said, we want to offer you a lead role in this.
[SPEAKER_03]: I said, who is it?
[SPEAKER_03]: He should peat in Surreal.
[SPEAKER_03]: I said, I knew peat in Surreal.
[SPEAKER_03]: And these are kids, because it's all about the 70s and 80s.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's about the pension fund money.
[SPEAKER_03]: Sure.
[SPEAKER_03]: So I said, wait a minute.
[SPEAKER_03]: I said,
[SPEAKER_03]: I borrowed thirty two million dollars to build a Renaissance hotel in 1977.
[SPEAKER_03]: They said you did what?
[SPEAKER_03]: I said I noticed people personally.
[SPEAKER_03]: So I have a patent notice.
[SPEAKER_03]: There was like a wire tap with all of the on it.
[SPEAKER_03]: And I think we touched on it in the book.
[SPEAKER_03]: So why is it?
[SPEAKER_03]: I sent them the clip of it.
[SPEAKER_03]: They could believe I knew all these guys.
[SPEAKER_03]: Now they're referring to me about what the story lines should be.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's so funny.
[SPEAKER_01]: The problem there was Johnny.
[SPEAKER_01]: You were on the tape.
[SPEAKER_01]: I know.
[SPEAKER_03]: I was on the tape.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's a fellow wiretap with Nicksevalla, Gokki Sivalla, a joe of gusto, all the guys.
[SPEAKER_01]: I guess this is where they get the term undiedy.
[SPEAKER_01]: Gokki's spirit.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, you guys.
[SPEAKER_01]: They get it from.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's so funny, man, but he has a career just getting bigger and bigger as we sit here.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's blowing up in front of us.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's fun.
[SPEAKER_03]: Thank God.
[SPEAKER_03]: A lot of it has to do with the book, though.
[SPEAKER_03]: There wouldn't be rapping.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's Pat wrote a great book as we know.
[SPEAKER_03]: And it's still selling.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: I know I tell people to read it all the time.
[SPEAKER_02]: Thank you.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's one of the greatest stories that people didn't know about before you guys wrote this book, Gianni.
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, no one had any clue what it took to get this movie made.
[SPEAKER_02]: Everybody thought it was nothing, right?
[SPEAKER_02]: It was, ah, easy.
[SPEAKER_02]: Big head, biggest hit of all time.
[SPEAKER_02]: Greatest movie ever made.
[SPEAKER_02]: And all they wanted to do was fire everybody all the time and get retto on.
[SPEAKER_02]: They hated also.
[SPEAKER_02]: They hated Francis.
[SPEAKER_02]: They hated El Pacino.
[SPEAKER_02]: They didn't
[SPEAKER_02]: And Francis had to fight his ass off the key for me.
[SPEAKER_03]: Look what an amazing man.
[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, I don't have no career either.
[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, that movie really made me.
[SPEAKER_02]: And Gianni, you don't get the credit you deserve for getting that movie made literally.
[SPEAKER_03]: They just want to sweep it under the right.
[SPEAKER_03]: That's why.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: That they're doing TV show right now, called the offer.
[SPEAKER_03]: And I'm not even mentioned that the kid that's playing me, we had him on the show.
[SPEAKER_03]: He called me to see because he knew me well.
[SPEAKER_03]: He said, would you mind if I played you?
[SPEAKER_03]: Well, it's been fun.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's been real fun.
[SPEAKER_01]: Anyway, we've just about run out of time for a thank you once again.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, Paul always you're a great interview and
[SPEAKER_03]: always, this I wanted to hear about it because I was, I was, I was, major, major with Nick Nitty at that time and Tony O'Caro during the 70s and 80s.
[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, we took so much money out of Vegas.
[SPEAKER_03]: But, um,
[SPEAKER_03]: It was insane, insane.
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, and those guys laughed at this gray Lord case, Gianni, because they're, I'm sure Ricardo's sitting there going, they have no idea what corruption is.
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, I know.
[SPEAKER_02]: This is bullshit gambling court and drunk court and traffic court, they're talking about they have no idea.
[SPEAKER_02]: And it was right.
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, this was just the tip of the iceberg and Get the book, Great Lord, just as Chicago style by my friend Rob Ward and it's pretty retired But maybe one of the five best reporters ever to walk to earth and it's good to make a new Fiston story about this that was timely back in the day.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, well, you were talking Paul.
[SPEAKER_02]: I looked on Amazon.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's available Good.
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh good.
[SPEAKER_02]: You know worth the read.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's funny.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's well done and if you don't know anything about Chicago You won't believe this stuff
[SPEAKER_01]: That's well, thank you very much.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm going to call you we're going to do another show after this.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm going to call you got something to talk to you My pleasure gentlemen, Gianni good luck.
[SPEAKER_03]: Oh, my man.
[SPEAKER_03]: Thank you so much.
[SPEAKER_02]: He'd hit series can't wait for others.
[SPEAKER_03]: Please Okay, thank you call Well, we'll be right back.
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[SPEAKER_03]: What do we got today?
[SPEAKER_01]: Begot, male, male, man.
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, first one, now I'm gonna try to sound like Megan.
[SPEAKER_01]: I certainly don't look like her.
[SPEAKER_03]: Well, you're gonna raise your voice, too.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm gonna do the best I can.
[SPEAKER_03]: Just be okay.
[SPEAKER_01]: From Bill, questions for me, Patrick.
[SPEAKER_01]: I was listening to this week's podcast about cloning time square.
[SPEAKER_01]: You were working streets back then, so do you have any involvement?
[SPEAKER_01]: during the investigation of the time-square murders, mostly on prostitutes or victims.
[SPEAKER_01]: No, I did not.
[SPEAKER_01]: I was on time-square, I worked there, but I was in a tattoo with a troll force.
[SPEAKER_01]: We were like the strike force and high crime areas.
[SPEAKER_01]: I was aware these killings were going on.
[SPEAKER_01]: It was a business man from the Jersey, who's crossed the river to kill these prostitutes.
[SPEAKER_01]: Some he would bring back to New Jersey.
[SPEAKER_03]: Moom is that in the 80s?
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: uh... he would bring them back to uh... motels right across the river and uh... kill them and kept their bodies or some of them he left in a motel rooms but i didn't have anything to do with that there was so many murders going on uh... during the eighties particularly when when the crack epidemic started at its peak there were twenty four harem is so twenty four
[SPEAKER_01]: try to again, 2400 Hamasize in one year, I believe it was 82 or 83.
[SPEAKER_01]: 2400, 1,400, and to put that into perspective in two ways, one of the Hamasize right now in New York is high there, crying about it, it's about 600.
[SPEAKER_01]: So, there were 2,400 then, and to put it further into perspective, and the entire Iraqi war, which last the 10 years,
[SPEAKER_01]: 4,000 American servicemen were killed in 10 years.
[SPEAKER_01]: We lost 2,400 citizens in one year.
[SPEAKER_01]: And in the city of New York and the age, you can imagine homicide rate and people was gearing for their lives.
[SPEAKER_03]: Why were they mostly prostitutes?
[SPEAKER_01]: All prostitutes.
[SPEAKER_03]: Wow.
[SPEAKER_01]: This was called a and police parlance, a public service homicide.
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, these women were brutally killed.
[SPEAKER_01]: And if it was some social life, some sudden place, the investigation would have been a lot different.
[SPEAKER_01]: They did cursory investigations until they realized that those are patterned here.
[SPEAKER_01]: And then they went after the guy.
[SPEAKER_01]: And they finally got him.
[SPEAKER_01]: He's still alive.
[SPEAKER_01]: He's doing time.
[SPEAKER_01]: And he's never going to get out.
[SPEAKER_01]: He's a family man.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's family thought they're the best of them.
[SPEAKER_01]: Great guy.
[SPEAKER_01]: Got a bunch of kids.
[SPEAKER_01]: No, he killed, they don't know how many killed.
[SPEAKER_01]: I believe they got about eight to 10 bodies, but they were more.
[SPEAKER_03]: Oh, so there's a lot of copycats.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, no, he could have killed more, but they only have to convict you once to get light.
[SPEAKER_03]: Oh, I know that.
[SPEAKER_01]: They weren't going to try for every killing.
[SPEAKER_01]: But there was, there was a few, but I'm just trying to indicate the times that in the 80s, 2400 homicides in one year.
[SPEAKER_01]: Uh, I got those days, I got crack had a lot to do with it.
[SPEAKER_03]: I was traveling a lot there when those days.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: I was in the back in a while.
[SPEAKER_01]: I was on you.
[SPEAKER_01]: All right, question number two from Ben, Gianni, what is your go-to dish when you eat out of the restaurant for dinner?
[SPEAKER_03]: Wow.
[SPEAKER_03]: If it's a great Italian restaurant, I'll call a head.
[SPEAKER_03]: I love it.
[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, some people have as a salad, some people have it hot.
[SPEAKER_03]: I love soup with your bish.
[SPEAKER_03]: I love the muscles and stuff.
[SPEAKER_03]: Those kind of dishes that don't make your homes.
[SPEAKER_03]: I'd rather go there.
[SPEAKER_03]: But Parkside, if you ever in New York, in Barcelona, that guy has the best food period, but they're the fish salad or a avid.
[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, if the muscles in the clams and everything's like
[SPEAKER_01]: I used to go there every Thursday for the Osso Buckel.
[SPEAKER_03]: There you go.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: I've forgotten to go there before I knew you.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's still gone.
[SPEAKER_03]: Great.
[SPEAKER_03]: I know.
[SPEAKER_03]: So strong.
[SPEAKER_01]: When you and I met, we're a swampy called up Alfredo, the Manor D. Oh, that's right.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: He's so remembers because of him.
[SPEAKER_01]: All right.
[SPEAKER_01]: Moving along from Elijah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Johnny and Megan, since you both live in New York City, what are some of your Christmas traditions there?
[SPEAKER_03]: which Christmas traditions, Christmas traditions.
[SPEAKER_03]: I go to Saint Patrick's obviously and then Rock of Allisana.
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, we can't ask Megan, but she probably would say it the same thing.
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, fifth day Avenue during Christmas is just beautiful.
[SPEAKER_01]: And that, you know, this question wasn't directed to me, but I'll answer anyway.
[SPEAKER_01]: There's a restaurant in the ranch village called 1F by land.
[SPEAKER_03]: Oh my God, it's been there forever, two old ladies on it.
[SPEAKER_01]: They do a Christmas layout there that's absolutely breathtaking.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's absolutely beautiful.
[SPEAKER_03]: There was an old horse stable.
[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, if I remember right.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, what up I'll answer if I say, you're absolutely.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's a fish place.
[SPEAKER_01]: OK. From Benny, Johnny, how do you feel last Vegas has changed over time?
[SPEAKER_01]: We've had a discussion as before.
[SPEAKER_01]: What do you attribute it to?
[SPEAKER_01]: Is there still mob influence there?
[SPEAKER_03]: There's no mob there.
[SPEAKER_03]: That's where that's where it changed it.
[SPEAKER_03]: Once once, you know, how would you use came in, fronting the federal government, Bill Dana, all those guys, and Bob Mayu, the mob, it's all corporate.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's all corporate, yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yep, RIT, Lazarus Vegas.
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, from Dawn, Gianni and Pat, what is your favorite vacation spot?
[SPEAKER_01]: You want to go first?
[SPEAKER_03]: Mine, my boat.
[SPEAKER_01]: wherever it is.
[SPEAKER_03]: That's why I love it.
[SPEAKER_03]: I take it where I want.
[SPEAKER_01]: Mine is Saint Martin.
[SPEAKER_01]: We had a time share there for many years.
[SPEAKER_01]: I love that place.
[SPEAKER_03]: I'm the friend of mine.
[SPEAKER_03]: What?
[SPEAKER_03]: What side?
[SPEAKER_01]: The Dutch.
[SPEAKER_03]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_03]: Good.
[SPEAKER_01]: By the eff what there was.
[SPEAKER_03]: No, I know right where it is.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and over the going after 30 years and I've got a lot of friends that
[SPEAKER_01]: In fact, I placed one of my short stories there.
[SPEAKER_01]: But the French side is, there's a board between the Dutch and the French side, but it's porous.
[SPEAKER_01]: You just draw it back and forth.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, we have a good violin.
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, when I was going there, and it's been a while, there wasn't any crime to speak of until some Jamaican drug deal was trying to take it over.
[SPEAKER_01]: And that's what I did.
[SPEAKER_03]: Do you still have the condo?
[SPEAKER_01]: No, the time she and no, I actually
[SPEAKER_01]: Just before the time share market collapsed.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, wow.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, well, I sold I sold one to very good friend of mine He's an attorney and I sold the other two This was about 15 years ago.
[SPEAKER_01]: I guess and after that you can't sell a time share if you give it away No, I know.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm laughing that you got out I was able to get out under the smallest things I haven't did
[SPEAKER_01]: because they kept on raising the money you have to pay for the week.
[SPEAKER_03]: Right.
[SPEAKER_01]: It started out like in the maintenance, yeah, the maintenance.
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, $150 a week at the end of his $1200 for the week.
[SPEAKER_01]: Just to stay there.
[SPEAKER_01]: Just stay in a hotel.
[SPEAKER_01]: Hello.
[SPEAKER_01]: Silly.
[SPEAKER_01]: Anyway, okay.
[SPEAKER_01]: From Stephen, Gianni, what is your favorite franca style of story?
[SPEAKER_03]: My favorite friend, Jessica Stella's story, was probably the day he said, I want to buy it host pens for me again, and me be at the world off the next day.
[SPEAKER_03]: He didn't say in those way, but if you read the book, you'll know what he did do.
[SPEAKER_03]: But that was probably the best time of my life that he took me under his wing and my life has never been the same.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, that's transformed your life.
[SPEAKER_01]: Absolutely.
[SPEAKER_03]: Oh, yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, I think anything to compare with that.
[SPEAKER_03]: No.
[SPEAKER_01]: OK, moving on from Rick, Patrick, that would be me.
[SPEAKER_01]: Any new books you're working on?
[SPEAKER_01]: I hope so.
[SPEAKER_01]: Funny you should ask, Rick.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I hope so.
[SPEAKER_03]: Tool Rick.
[SPEAKER_03]: I hope you've worked on a couple of books.
[SPEAKER_03]: A couple of mine with them.
[SPEAKER_01]: We're submitting our ideas for a fiction series based
[SPEAKER_01]: So far, I've got have to propose a written.
[SPEAKER_01]: By the way, Johnny, I just outlined all three chapters that we have to submit with it.
[SPEAKER_01]: So now I will come in to write in them.
[SPEAKER_01]: But what this is going to be is a series of books.
[SPEAKER_01]: Based on Johnny's life, but fictionalized, where we can name names and name instances, and it's going to be something different.
[SPEAKER_01]: This hasn't really been done a lot.
[SPEAKER_03]: Well, the real reason we're doing, I keep getting these threatened phone calls from the fair.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's what we're working on now and we're hoping for good things.
[SPEAKER_01]: Thank you very much, Rick.
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, from Jared.
[SPEAKER_01]: Gianni, what was your favorite restaurant during your prime time in Las Vegas?
[SPEAKER_01]: A lot of food questions here.
[SPEAKER_03]: Piero's, I always like Piero's, a great chef, my good friend, Freddie Glustman.
[SPEAKER_03]: They still, he still owns it.
[SPEAKER_03]: Piero's is still on convention side drive.
[SPEAKER_01]: I know that, you know, I used to see an air occasionally, Teddy Benjamin.
[SPEAKER_03]: Oh, yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, I, very, I don't know what the fake is like once every other year or whatever it was.
[SPEAKER_01]: Every time I went to Piero's, he was there.
[SPEAKER_03]: Everybody knows good food each day.
[SPEAKER_03]: That's why they have tables.
[SPEAKER_03]: They have stable like rails here But it's bigger than rails obviously Oh, anything's my closet just bigger than rails.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, hello.
[SPEAKER_01]: All right from Tom Came upon your podcast a few months ago great stories the best do you ever get the filly?
[SPEAKER_03]: Do I?
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, well you want me?
[SPEAKER_03]: Well, I, my God, when, when I used to, I mean, we, we saw a lot of a time food there through Greco and Suns.
[SPEAKER_03]: So if you go to your, go, go to a little Italy, they got a lot of them are, curly own foods.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I haven't been there in a while.
[SPEAKER_01]: I have a, a friend who lives there, but it's been a while.
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, last one, from Zach.
[SPEAKER_01]: Why was
[SPEAKER_03]: a pain in the ass.
[SPEAKER_01]: Funny you should ask though, Zach.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I mean, I watch Cobert just the other night to see if she changed her attitude.
[SPEAKER_03]: I haven't seen the lady a talk to in years.
[SPEAKER_03]: Still has that same chip on her shoulder man.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, I tell you, I've watched the same interview and a few others.
[SPEAKER_01]: Apparently she's discovered the internet and she's criticizing a lot of people on Instagram.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I think it's quite an early Instagram.
[SPEAKER_01]: She's a major critic.
[SPEAKER_01]: People she just doesn't like.
[SPEAKER_01]: I guess that's a nice way.
[SPEAKER_03]: Who cares what she thinks?
[SPEAKER_01]: That's so funny.
[SPEAKER_01]: Nobody.
[SPEAKER_03]: You know what I really thought?
[SPEAKER_03]: I felt because they said she was the building a room for her.
[SPEAKER_03]: She's going to have a residency as a performer.
[SPEAKER_03]: But she never said where they're building the room.
[SPEAKER_03]: Well, he said her 80s, no?
[SPEAKER_03]: What's that?
[SPEAKER_03]: He's in her 80s.
[SPEAKER_03]: No, I'm just 80s.
[SPEAKER_03]: She's like I am, yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: Okay, but you know, she was just said, but 12th also, nobody needs to work.
[SPEAKER_03]: She's broke.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, well, that's, you do a residency in Vegas.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's a lot of work.
[SPEAKER_03]: No kid, but she's doing it in a place that sits about six people.
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, all right.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, that wraps it up folks.
[SPEAKER_01]: Sorry, Megan wasn't around.
[SPEAKER_01]: She would have done a better job on his emails, but
[SPEAKER_01]: That's it.
[SPEAKER_03]: We got a lot of surprise guests coming up.
[SPEAKER_03]: We wanted to make an announcement as we were talking about the Godfather going to the 50th anniversary.
[SPEAKER_03]: So we're going to be starting, in fact, next our next show is our first show in February.
[SPEAKER_03]: We have so many coming on, but we're going to have a lot of surprise guests.
[SPEAKER_03]: Pat and I are going to be doing a lot of things because of this and our book and the
[SPEAKER_03]: There now is an anniversary package you could buy.
[SPEAKER_03]: Where'd you go?
[SPEAKER_03]: I lost you for you.
[SPEAKER_01]: I was getting up call on my phone, which was attached to my iPad and I had a call.
[SPEAKER_03]: Well, thank you all.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Megan, if you're listening, we missed you.
[SPEAKER_03]: Woo, Megan.
[SPEAKER_04]: If you're feeling sad and lonely, there's a service I could rent out of the one who loves you only.
[SPEAKER_04]: I could be so warm.
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