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[SPEAKER_00]: On this episode of the Table Top Manature Hobby podcast, I'm joined by the Bedroom BattleFields Brazilian it's John E.K.A.
[SPEAKER_00]: Lord Reaver, how you doing today, John.
[SPEAKER_00]: Pretty great, pretty great.
[SPEAKER_00]: we're having a bit of a cold time.
[SPEAKER_00]: How does how does the weather dictate hobby and to you?
[SPEAKER_00]: Because I know like in some places like Scotland for example the minute we get slightly warm weather we always want to be outside of it whereas actual hot countries it could presumably get so hot that people want to then be indoors and doing lots of hobby and stuff.
[SPEAKER_00]: How does that kind of work for you?
[SPEAKER_00]: Where you are?
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, it is a big factor.
[SPEAKER_01]: I know raining influence, like it's a big influence in painting and all that, but Speaking of like hot temperatures, it's usually the time I'll be doing my hobby because it's hot to go outside.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's just sunny.
[SPEAKER_01]: But the sun helps things dry out, of course.
[SPEAKER_01]: And
[SPEAKER_01]: It's, it really is a time.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like I said, it's a time when people go outside, go to the pool, go to the parks.
[SPEAKER_01]: We a lot of my friends.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's a very common in my region of Brazil to drink a, you know, Mate, there are some people drinking places like Argentina and the South of Brazil, actually.
[SPEAKER_01]: Right.
[SPEAKER_01]: Mate.
[SPEAKER_01]: We drink a cold version of that.
[SPEAKER_01]: So a lot of people would be on the streets drinking that too.
[SPEAKER_01]: I, I, I, I, I, I once painted with a friend and we were drinking that.
[SPEAKER_01]: So it is a good time to have hobby activities.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: So how involved in the hobby are you right now?
[SPEAKER_00]: And how does that compare to previous years?
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, this year, I would mark my really big involvement in the hobby from the probably middle to tail end of last year to this year, really.
[SPEAKER_01]: It has to do with my history with the hobby, but being a beginner, of course, you start.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think everyone starts slow and then gradually builds it up, but I've been pretty involved.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm organizing, trying to organize a club here in my small town and getting people to know the hobby.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's a very niche hobby here in Brazil, but it's growing.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I am very involved.
[SPEAKER_01]: Getting rule books, getting miniatures.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm about to upgrade my paints.
[SPEAKER_01]: I started with like cheap acrylics because I couldn't really justify expense spending that much.
[SPEAKER_01]: But now I got a steady job and I figured, hey, it's time to upgrade my painting game.
[SPEAKER_01]: So pre-involved.
[SPEAKER_00]: How does that look for you upgrading your paint and game like your paint for example?
[SPEAKER_00]: What if you got your eye on or what if you bought already?
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, I did start a game with some a very basic kit from ML.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think yeah, ML.
[SPEAKER_01]: I expect they were not given like they were general model and game paints.
[SPEAKER_01]: And then I got out of the university, didn't have a job.
[SPEAKER_01]: So I started getting some cheap acrylics to save money.
[SPEAKER_01]: Right now, I am between a lot of different kits, because
[SPEAKER_01]: I really enjoy experimentation.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think it's one of my favorite parts of the hobby.
[SPEAKER_01]: So I'm looking at some Vallejo kits, a interactive work hauler is nostalgia 94.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's a really big candidate.
[SPEAKER_01]: Because I really enjoy old school styles of painting.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think they look fantastic.
[SPEAKER_01]: So I'm really thinking about all of those.
[SPEAKER_01]: And what could I do with them?
[SPEAKER_01]: Like, what new things I could explore?
[SPEAKER_00]: What appears to you about the kind of older aesthetic?
[SPEAKER_00]: Is that the time that you go on in the hobby?
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, no, no, not at all.
[SPEAKER_01]: If you want, we can talk about my step-by-step journey into the hobby.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I don't really have one.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's alright.
[SPEAKER_01]: So the hobby was not present during my childhood.
[SPEAKER_01]: But looking back, I really enjoy a lot of hobby adjacent things.
[SPEAKER_01]: So I think my first contact with building something that resembles a miniature was actually when I was like five or six year olds.
[SPEAKER_01]: Here in Brazil they used to publish this magazine called Hekriyo, which means lunch break.
[SPEAKER_01]: You know the lunch break you haven't school?
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: And it was this sort of general kid's magazine that we'll talk about whatever kind of new cartoon there was, some things about video games, sometimes about like scientific things, you know, that kids like dinosaurs and oh planets, what if there was alien life?
[SPEAKER_01]: All that sort of death.
[SPEAKER_01]: And they actually started with this, they would come with a toy.
[SPEAKER_01]: And the first ones that I can remember, I think they were the first series,
[SPEAKER_01]: the junction of robot plus bits.
[SPEAKER_01]: So there were this modular little robot toys that you could build and I went crazy for them.
[SPEAKER_01]: I remember vividly seeing them being released on like bookstores and newspaper stands and I would go crazy for them.
[SPEAKER_01]: So that really was a foundation of small toy thing you could build and create and modulate and just do whatever.
[SPEAKER_01]: I didn't get many because the magazine was a little expensive and my parents didn't really like me getting them.
[SPEAKER_01]: Not so much because they had anything improper but mostly because they were expensive.
[SPEAKER_01]: They were quite expensive but I think that really was the foundation for like
[SPEAKER_01]: building things and that was around the 2000s.
[SPEAKER_01]: I was boarding 99 and after that I met my favorite toy of all time Legos.
[SPEAKER_01]: Man, I was really into Legos.
[SPEAKER_01]: Again, very expensive, so I didn't get many.
[SPEAKER_01]: but I love building.
[SPEAKER_01]: I really love creating things from the feel sets I had.
[SPEAKER_01]: And my favorite one was one called Bionicles.
[SPEAKER_01]: Have you ever heard of them?
[SPEAKER_01]: No, so with Bionicles, I really got this sense of deep lore, you know, like heavy those toy soldiers and things that have like massive back stories.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's kind of out of the ordinary.
[SPEAKER_01]: back stories like different styles and all.
[SPEAKER_01]: I didn't have contact with that previous years, this was around there.
[SPEAKER_01]: I was like nine or ten because a lot of all here in Brazil, a lot of people actually watch it like older cartoons.
[SPEAKER_01]: I know you're a big fan of Thundercats, right?
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, for sure.
[SPEAKER_01]: I did.
[SPEAKER_01]: I watched that when I was growing up.
[SPEAKER_01]: They were still being aired on TV around here.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: I always had that.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think I always had that contact with that sort of Conan de Barbarian like sword and sorcery fantasy a little bit of sci-fi.
[SPEAKER_01]: I always enjoyed that.
[SPEAKER_01]: Looking back, it was always very unique.
[SPEAKER_01]: So, um, by all the calls was like that.
[SPEAKER_01]: They were just,
[SPEAKER_01]: Very weird toys.
[SPEAKER_01]: They were not at all like Lego.
[SPEAKER_01]: They had ball joints and their marks like they were not like miniature size.
[SPEAKER_01]: They were bigger like around the size of most action figures.
[SPEAKER_01]: But there were so weird, they were like this robot beings, and then I discovered they were actually biomechanical beings, and the biomechanical was biological, and they lived in this tropical regions and they had Polynesian sounding names, and it really was the start of what I really
[SPEAKER_01]: But time went on, I also got into Transformers because they're cool as hell.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I got into video games and kind of stopped doing anything hobby related, like no more action figures, no more toys that start growing up.
[SPEAKER_01]: And my first proper contact with the hobby was in 2016, actually.
[SPEAKER_01]: As I mentioned, if you were previously talking, I went to the US for an exchange program.
[SPEAKER_01]: And in there, I made some friends in school and they play D&D, you know, down in Johnson Dragons.
[SPEAKER_01]: And when I went to, and then I saw cool, can I join?
[SPEAKER_01]: I did join, and I was pretty fun, I was pretty bad at playing it, not that it's a competition on anything, but I didn't really get the appeal of the game yet, it was my first time playing it, and I never really had known
[SPEAKER_01]: Um, role playing games like that, but I went to a store a very small like retro store that was near the school I studied and to buy a, you know, a set of quality hero dice.
[SPEAKER_01]: And in there, there was this weird boxes with cool soldiers on them.
[SPEAKER_01]: One of them had this more cartoonish style robots, which later I figured they were from war machine.
[SPEAKER_01]: There were also this odd red packaging packages with metal bits inside of them that then I figured there were the blister packs for Warhammer Fantasy and I am pretty sure the other two boxes I saw were 3rd to 4th edition 48 terminators and orcs writing bars probably for Warhammer Fantasy as well.
[SPEAKER_01]: So that was really the first time I saw miniature kits, and I just found a hand, what is this for?
[SPEAKER_01]: Is that like a board game or something?
[SPEAKER_01]: Later down I would talk to a guy in a hobby shop.
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't remember exactly why we were there, but I would also, but he would explain me a little bit of Warhammer 40k, whatever edition was at the time.
[SPEAKER_01]: It flew over my head to be honest, but it is some other awesome kits for, I think they were malifull, you know, that, well, what's the name of the place, malifull is based, oh Louisiana,
[SPEAKER_01]: But I came back to Brazil after the exchange period was over and tried to play D&D for my friends and they were not into it so it kind of went into a little hiatus for Nabi and the hobby related things and I really had no time.
[SPEAKER_01]: I had to study to finish school and go to university.
[SPEAKER_01]: And he was around that time that I remember that at 40k game and began to get into the, the, learned a little bit about the universe and all that, where there were a lot of, and I was not serious at first, and I 40k's full of memes when you start.
[SPEAKER_01]: But the year's past, I managed to get into a pretty good university, and I was thinking I'm all getting back in role playing games again, and then the pandemic hit.
[SPEAKER_01]: And man, that time was terrible.
[SPEAKER_01]: It was terrible.
[SPEAKER_01]: But it was, you know, sometimes you have to bring the, the good out of the terrible.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I think the pandemic really made me question like how many, how much time I was spending on the computer and not really doing things with your hands, you know, like actual things in the real world.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: And it was really around this time I got back into role-playing games with some online friends.
[SPEAKER_01]: I really wanted to do it in person, but I couldn't.
[SPEAKER_01]: I also got into cocktail making like bartending because I had nothing to do as my family has this very ornate like mixer and all the shaker they use.
[SPEAKER_01]: So, and around that time, I was also reading about Warhammer Fantasy.
[SPEAKER_01]: I've discovered one of my friends in that group, we were playing Call of the Thulu, actually.
[SPEAKER_01]: Was also into Warhammer Fantasy, and we played Wartime Online.
[SPEAKER_01]: good old morning.
[SPEAKER_01]: And it was terrible.
[SPEAKER_01]: We were using a VTT for role playing games.
[SPEAKER_01]: We didn't know the rules, but it was goddam fun.
[SPEAKER_01]: I played a carnival of chaos, warband, my friend was playing witch hunters, but it was great.
[SPEAKER_01]: Even if it was like terrible play.
[SPEAKER_01]: Type pass, I really got the
[SPEAKER_01]: having a, I got out of out of that group, you know, as most a lot of RPG groups said to go it ended, I actually start going in person to my classes in diversity and, uh, fall a tag.
[SPEAKER_01]: I might as well try to get some friends to play here.
[SPEAKER_00]: anything really.
[SPEAKER_01]: At first, I couldn't my first year in person university, which was my 30 year of the course.
[SPEAKER_01]: I graduated in psychology by the way, I'm a psychologist.
[SPEAKER_01]: I couldn't really get anyone to close to anyone.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like, didn't make a lot of friends.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think people were kind of burned out by the
[SPEAKER_01]: But I did buy some role-playing games and most importantly, I bought this little book, there's a little rule book for a game.
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know if you heard of all that.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's called gas lands and it's kind of awesome.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and
[SPEAKER_01]: It's really surprising because in the second I bought it, I didn't, I read it, I thought this is the Beast news, this is amazing, but I couldn't really find anyone to play until in my, I think was in the end of my game.
[SPEAKER_01]: 30 year of college.
[SPEAKER_01]: I decided to go and join me.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's it's really funny how this story is like really unusual how this story goes, but I decided to join a prayer group.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm Catholic and I was thinking, hey, I might as well make some friends there.
[SPEAKER_01]: And that I did, and I found out that a lot of them really wanted to play anything tabletop related role playing games, board games, one of the fans was also into Warhammer, into miniatures, into all of that things.
[SPEAKER_01]: And for a night, we played a six person, if I, if I second, like, and my second miniatures game was actually a six person gasoline game, because everyone really wanted to try.
[SPEAKER_01]: and that was awesome.
[SPEAKER_01]: Those friends played with me a couple more times.
[SPEAKER_01]: We started some very long role-playing game campaigns.
[SPEAKER_01]: I wanted to play more miniature games with them, but couldn't didn't have the time to make.
[SPEAKER_01]: I was approaching the end of my course.
[SPEAKER_01]: I
[SPEAKER_01]: Regulated and couldn't see my friends for a little while because I came back to my parents city it's it's a small town in the countryside of São Paulo and it was far away from the place I went to university so I thought damn back to square one
[SPEAKER_01]: However, I started and it was a rough year, 2024, when I graduated, I mean, 2025, I graduated at the end of 2024.
[SPEAKER_01]: It was a rough year, I was looking for a job, I didn't really have.
[SPEAKER_01]: any time to paint the miniature as I had started painting minors for gas lads and other games I wanted to play I met some I forgot to mention but I met some other friends on martial arts I used to practice and I played a lot of roleplay games with them too and I started painting minors with one of the guys was really into like plastic model kits
[SPEAKER_01]: liked it to me at once.
[SPEAKER_01]: And it was back to square one.
[SPEAKER_01]: So I spent a whole year just not painting anything until I met a cousin of mine who my surprise was into really into war hammer as well.
[SPEAKER_01]: We start chatting, I start talking with him that I really liked it, you'll surprise as well, he introduced me to another friend.
[SPEAKER_01]: And slowly I found some four or five guys that really wanted to paint miniatures and that really got me into back in the game.
[SPEAKER_01]: So that's really where I am at right now.
[SPEAKER_01]: Things are good again.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, no, that's really good.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's really good.
[SPEAKER_00]: We background.
[SPEAKER_00]: We insight into your journey in.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, lots of we diverse tons in there.
[SPEAKER_00]: We've got cocktail making martial arts.
[SPEAKER_00]: You're prepared for that.
[SPEAKER_01]: So let me have a bit of a, I think the word is a polymath.
[SPEAKER_01]: First and the other.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: How did you find out about Gassland?
[SPEAKER_01]: I can't exactly pinpoint what it would brought me to gaslands.
[SPEAKER_01]: It might have been one of those videos that's like top five skirmish games, or top five games for beginners.
[SPEAKER_01]: But the moment I saw it, I was like, yep, this is perfect.
[SPEAKER_01]: This is freaking perfect.
[SPEAKER_01]: It has cars which are cool.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's cheap to buy the cars.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's a keep-asher's dream.
[SPEAKER_01]: You can make all sorts of crazy things.
[SPEAKER_01]: And most importantly, it was a easy concept to sell.
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, like, if you could go, what is gas lands?
[SPEAKER_01]: And I would say, oh, it's Mad Max, but a little crazier and you play with Hot Wheels cars.
[SPEAKER_01]: It must be much easier to explain.
[SPEAKER_01]: games like fantasy, for decay, for us grave, all those games.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and then go back like through circle to when we can start talking like you talked about the aesthetic that you like, you know, I get the impression it's a very 90s aesthetic.
[SPEAKER_00]: You were born in 99 you said so,
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yeah, yeah, I've often thought about it myself because I don't really have nostalgia for it since I didn't experience those early 80s and 90s aesthetics But I think it has to do with one vibrant colors.
[SPEAKER_01]: Of course, I like more realistic paintings and you know those grim dark styles that people make.
[SPEAKER_01]: They're awesome.
[SPEAKER_01]: But there's something about the vibrancy and the highlights and just the miniatures themselves and they're just so full of character like when they started looking at the old miniatures I I just thought damn I missed out or some really cool stuff.
[SPEAKER_01]: in just the creativity like the one of the things that I most like about the hobby is kidnapping and creating all little little guys and I think the 90s and the 80s really were time when that was involved you know that's the time when GW used to teach you how to make the the tanks with like uh what what what what the word the order mistakes right?
[SPEAKER_01]: Right, yeah, so yeah, I really enjoyed that part of the hobby because it's one of the ways I actually can't afford to do the hobby and I was hooked a moment I saw the paintings and Life, just love them.
[SPEAKER_00]: What sort of stuff would we see on your your painting table right now or even like, you know, throughout that year?
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, I'm working on some lots of things.
[SPEAKER_01]: Actually, right now in my table, I'm going to, you can, I'm actually looking at it.
[SPEAKER_01]: You can see some unpainted.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'll make terrain like cardboard terrain.
[SPEAKER_01]: that I made while back and haven't painted, mostly like generic buildings, like for cities and one that can go anywhere is just a nothing ruin.
[SPEAKER_01]: The miniature's wise, it's mostly 3D printed stuff and get-bash stuff from like toys and...
[SPEAKER_01]: Things are working on some Marvel crisis protocol, picking miniatures.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's a unusual game for someone who just said, oh, I like the retro old stuff, but it's a really fun game, and also it's affordable, and I can also like gasoline that can say, oh, this is super heroes fighting.
[SPEAKER_01]: So people really get into it.
[SPEAKER_01]: Uh, I got some talker type miniatures for Zona Alpha is a game by Osprey and it's about like scaven basically scaven hunting on Chernobyl.
[SPEAKER_01]: So a lot of this guys with gas masks and hoods and AKs, all that.
[SPEAKER_01]: Gonna start basing those and I need to finish a little squad for Roksars from various random miniatures I got.
[SPEAKER_01]: And yeah, that's what I'm, that's what's on my painting table.
[SPEAKER_00]: You kind of loaded the hobby seen in Brazil beaten.
[SPEAKER_00]: early stage, but growing, could you talk to us more about that?
[SPEAKER_01]: Of course, of course.
[SPEAKER_01]: So I'm not by no means a specialist in the history of the hobby in Brazil.
[SPEAKER_01]: I know some games have been published here, there were some attempts at publishing and you know keeping the game alive,
[SPEAKER_01]: It's not really a war game, but I think the main points that would be interesting to say here was Hero Quest.
[SPEAKER_01]: Hero Quest was published here in Brazil.
[SPEAKER_01]: He was a big success.
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't recall exactly when.
[SPEAKER_01]: I do know the addition unfortunately didn't come with miniatures.
[SPEAKER_01]: He came out with Carbore Sands,
[SPEAKER_01]: It's lame to be honest, I love the Hero Quest sculpts, but Hero Quest was published here, Battle Tech, Battle Tech was published here in the 90s I think, and it was that edition that also came with cardboard miniatures.
[SPEAKER_01]: I found some old metal minis for a game called Steel Legions,
[SPEAKER_01]: I couldn't, but I couldn't find much data on it.
[SPEAKER_01]: And in more modern times, I'm aware, X-wing was published here, and Star Wars Legion as well.
[SPEAKER_01]: But both games that X-wing actually did have a big public, but both games were discontinued.
[SPEAKER_01]: And that's all I really know about, like miniatures being, like miniature games being published and bought brought to Brazil.
[SPEAKER_01]: But, uh, 3D printing really changed all that.
[SPEAKER_01]: All of the sudden, like shops mostly for RPGs, start popping up online.
[SPEAKER_01]: And some of them began to show up to, you know, sell 3D prints for war games, mainly a war hammer, of course.
[SPEAKER_01]: And Marvel crisis protocol, the one I mentioned, and you could always use midfielite fantasy, like role playing game miniatures for skirmish games, like Song of Blade of Heroes.
[SPEAKER_01]: and slowly but surely the stores have been growing and people have been showing more interest because youtubers are talking about 4dk and what's this 4dk thing clubs have been popping up I know some big cities have were getting clubs and it's overall it's marching towards the trouble towards growth you know
[SPEAKER_01]: I think also board games and role-playing games have been helped with that.
[SPEAKER_01]: We've had a boom of both of those.
[SPEAKER_01]: Brazil actually had always had a very strong role-playing game scene.
[SPEAKER_01]: And our top game was actually Vampire Demasterade, Brazil has a thing for darker horror games.
[SPEAKER_01]: But you went a bit down in the middle of 2,000, like 2,000 and 10, and there was a boom with 5th edition D&D.
[SPEAKER_01]: The pandemic actually brought board games really into the scene with some very war game adjacent.
[SPEAKER_01]: That figure, as you could call them, board games being very popular.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like zombie side, do you know zombie side?
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Zombie side, gloom haven.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh gosh, there's another one for it with Max, I'm not gonna remember the name, and, of course, like hero quest games that are basically hero quest, but the numbers filed off.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, all of those got really popular here in Brazil, and now we have a really big board game scene and community, so I think a lot of, it's just a right time for War Games to catch on here.
[SPEAKER_01]: You mentioned print and did you print yourself?
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, no, I wish, but I don't have the space or know how to do it.
[SPEAKER_01]: I mostly buy from certain shops that have huge selections of STL files.
[SPEAKER_01]: They're also usually very friendly people.
[SPEAKER_01]: They were also into the hobby.
[SPEAKER_01]: So they'll do things like print whatever random miniatures you can send them.
[SPEAKER_01]: They're generally cool guys like that.
[SPEAKER_01]: And they usually have communities.
[SPEAKER_01]: They're also into playing, printing, painting.
[SPEAKER_01]: And it's nice.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's very nice.
[SPEAKER_01]: I do wish there were, it was easier to get plastic hits around here.
[SPEAKER_01]: and a metal kit, since they're easier to get bash and build things, snapping pits of bits of resin is not fun.
[SPEAKER_01]: But that's also changing because I think the only store I know that's specialized, it's called Nitsen, and they're actually going to bring one page rules to Brazil.
[SPEAKER_01]: Right.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: If they're going to do a launch event and sell the boxes, they also sell a lot of a year for a word games, Atlantic, airing miniatures.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think they're very new store, but they're growing as well, and the prices are not bad.
[SPEAKER_00]: When you're buying anything, a you typically
[SPEAKER_01]: uh, mostly online game stores are rarely here in Brazil and um, it's mostly online.
[SPEAKER_01]: Unfortunately, I really wish there was this pace to go and hang out, talk about hobby, but it's just not something you see very often.
[SPEAKER_01]: You might find some tables.
[SPEAKER_01]: in board game shops that you can find in the bigger cities or they'll let you rent a table play for friends.
[SPEAKER_01]: But unfortunately I don't get yet that experience of going to the hobby shop.
[SPEAKER_00]: You talked about trying to form or form and as club houses are all going for you.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's working, working, it's been a little slower because it takes time to ferment a community like that.
[SPEAKER_01]: However, I'm very optimistic.
[SPEAKER_01]: I work in the university right now.
[SPEAKER_01]: I found the job is sort of like a counselor.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think that's how you call it, you know.
[SPEAKER_01]: And, um,
[SPEAKER_01]: I've talked with the, I think you call her my boss about just tabletop in general and how that relates to mental health and she was a big, she really liked that.
[SPEAKER_01]: So I might all do some events to promote hobby in the university, I'm also
[SPEAKER_01]: constantly talking to people.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's a try not to be annoying because I know like our hobbies, miniature painting and work gaming is not for everybody, but I do share that I'm doing this hobby and if they want to join, it's pretty cool.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, so how many folks that you got came
[SPEAKER_01]: We are mostly in role-playing games at the moment, but I have a friend that is working on Marvel Crisis protocol roster to play and another one who is working on a deaf guard proxies.
[SPEAKER_01]: So the future is looking bright and a lot of people just get curious, you know.
[SPEAKER_01]: I will be talking with me and I'll be in a moment and they'll ask, what do you do for fun and I don't know, I practice sports, read, paint miniatures, play work games and I'll be like, oh wow, what's that?
[SPEAKER_01]: So it's I think the group will grow so I'm gonna be big I live in a very small town But it might be big enough for us to do a little tournaments and things like that Yeah, is that like I mean how do you see it ideally what do you see the the perfect outcome being with all
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, the perfect outcome would be just to maybe get people from the neighboring cities as well, which are also small towns.
[SPEAKER_01]: I live in a cluster of small towns to come from events, maybe organize a tournament, as I mentioned, they would be cool.
[SPEAKER_01]: Find a place that we could play once a month, twice a month, just put some tables in, bring some terrain.
[SPEAKER_01]: and play whatever.
[SPEAKER_01]: I got here in my collection.
[SPEAKER_01]: I had gas lands and there's an alpha.
[SPEAKER_01]: I have roach stars.
[SPEAKER_01]: I have void admiral that miniature wargaming for ships that I really want to build some kitbash ships.
[SPEAKER_01]: I just have this space for people to play what they like, what they want.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think it's good.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think that would be the perfect endgame.
[SPEAKER_00]: You talked about psychology background and you know that being your job.
[SPEAKER_00]: I know a lot of people talk about the hobby, like helping them with their mental health.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's certainly not the main reason most people are in that investment, but like it seems to be a nice by-product for a lot of folks, I know it's a huge topic of itself, but what are some of the big reasons you think that may be?
[SPEAKER_01]: I think first and foremost, it's a work you do with your hands, and most importantly, a work you're actually doing within the real world.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think this pants so much time nowadays in the virtual world.
[SPEAKER_01]: doing things that are not concrete, you know, they don't really feel like they exist.
[SPEAKER_01]: So it's very nice.
[SPEAKER_01]: I actually always give this advice to the people that go to it's sort of a clinic thing.
[SPEAKER_01]: I actually, I don't know how to how I would translate it in English, but I basically do psychology work with everybody that's part of the
[SPEAKER_01]: they can go there for some brief therapy sessions, and I always advise them to pick up a hobby, like whatever you want, music, paintings, sports, because it's so good for your health, your mental health to actually do something concrete with your hands.
[SPEAKER_01]: I've been even meaning to read more about this.
[SPEAKER_01]: I have, uh, what's the name of the book, shop class as so craft in my, yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yeah, foundation this.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, you, you have, you recommend.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, like that.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Good book.
[SPEAKER_01]: Cool.
[SPEAKER_01]: Awesome.
[SPEAKER_01]: And just overall, I also think it's an opportunity to socialize, which is something I've seen people doing.
[SPEAKER_01]: less and less and that healthy way, you know, getting together with real people.
[SPEAKER_01]: I know you can and I know you can play online.
[SPEAKER_01]: You can do your VTTs and that very ever paint a miniature, but it's not the same thing as actually getting together and sharing a table with your friends to be painting or playing.
[SPEAKER_01]: So I always think that's really
[SPEAKER_01]: Really good for a really important point in the hobby and I think finally you just the creative expression, you know It's It's a if it's a thing that allows you to you know Create new painting styles build your own miniatures.
[SPEAKER_01]: There is also the list building when you get in the game All that I think it's very very good for your head for your noggin
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm going to step the area of my expertise, which is very small, so not difficult for me to do, but I'm going to give you some of my thoughts and you can correct me.
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, go ahead.
[SPEAKER_00]: In the minute, many ways I might be misinterpreted and things, but you hear a lot these days about dopamine as it pertains to social media or scroll and or, you know, phones and
[SPEAKER_00]: Dopamine's almost become a negative term even though I expect it's actually a very positive thing in the main because it enables us to keep wanting to discover and keep wanting to do things.
[SPEAKER_00]: I always feel that, you know, I've said many times I don't use social media, I don't scroll images.
[SPEAKER_00]: I also don't use.
[SPEAKER_00]: But like if I go on holiday, which obviously really enjoy going on holidays, spending time with the family and stuff, but the one thing that's taken away from me doing that is the feeling of working on something or progressing with something.
[SPEAKER_00]: and I don't know if that is to do with dopamine, but like if I've got a project on the go and I'm working on it, I always feel really satisfied and content that I'm making progress on it.
[SPEAKER_00]: So these are really foreign thoughts, but I just wondered if you had anything that came to pick up on what I've said there.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, the dopamine thing is, it's a natural part of the chemistry of the brain.
[SPEAKER_01]: The thing about why it's become a bit of a negative thing is because this screen-based program be then like YouTube, Instagram, TikTok, they're so, or even like buying websites, like Amazon, they're so well optimized to give you the maximum to get you addicted.
[SPEAKER_01]: it's so it's taken a bit of a negative connotation, but it's an actual part of the brain.
[SPEAKER_01]: About working and accomplishing the goals, I think that's just part of being human really.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it's focusing in the process and you kind of miss that when you're not in your flow, you know?
[SPEAKER_00]: I think setting up too many goals can be bad for you.
[SPEAKER_01]: I always advise the people that go to my department to set up goals, but in expectations, but not unreasonable, not our reality.
[SPEAKER_01]: However, I think it's very important to be gold-driven in your life.
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, have a great aspiration, thing you, a thing you want to do.
[SPEAKER_01]: And like I mentioned in my advice, just just tying them, just tying them.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, because if you think about like, there's a perception that if a person gets very rich, you know, if you win the lottery or whatever, there's this image of you on a beach in a hammock with a cocktail and a dare say for a day or two that might be very nice, but
[SPEAKER_00]: I think you would, I certainly would start to go mad if all at the end of every day was lying a hammock with a cocktail, and I totally agree with you.
[SPEAKER_00]: I would need to be, you know, even if I had on tall creatures, I think I would be busy, but not on a negative sense.
[SPEAKER_00]: I would just, I would want to be doing things.
[SPEAKER_00]: So, I think that's part of being human.
[SPEAKER_00]: I guess we wouldn't have survived this long.
[SPEAKER_00]: if we didn't do stuff.
[SPEAKER_00]: So, exactly, exactly, and we like doing stuff.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like, I think it's a very odd thing of our age that people don't do stuff with, well, measure with their hands.
[SPEAKER_01]: They don't have a lot of activities like, I think it's for all most human history, both Rachel and Paul, whatever social class you were in, people were doing it for her, things with her hands, be there.
[SPEAKER_01]: work, cooking food, doing like calligraphy, which is something I want to improve my writing my handwriting is terrible.
[SPEAKER_01]: But people who are doing these things, no matter who you were, you were doing something and we kind of missed that nowadays.
[SPEAKER_01]: People who just sit around and scroll
[SPEAKER_00]: So we are seeing a video, say on YouTube, not to take in as a way from the creator of this video, but when somebody publishes like, you know, a painted an army in 24 hours, is there a part of her brain when we watch that content?
[SPEAKER_00]: the almost tracks us or hijack something and if given us the feeling that we've just achieved that, is there something in that at all?
[SPEAKER_01]: I believe so, yes, of course, like many things in psychology, I would need to look up and look at the data and to come a conclusion, but there is something genuine about heading this feelings of accomplishment by proxy.
[SPEAKER_01]: And by no means, this dynamic can be bad.
[SPEAKER_01]: I was reading some, I was actually doing a little, I was reading on what movie being English.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, bibliotherapy therapy with books.
[SPEAKER_01]: And there is a positive aspect to this when you read a story and you identify with the characters, the help you realize things about you, it's not that bad.
[SPEAKER_01]: The thing is people will not take the inspiration out of that and we'll just say, hey, I did this thing.
[SPEAKER_01]: or I kind of did this thing, I got the feelings I needed, saw the cool in the case of an army, saw the cool little guys painted and the doot painted in 24 hours, that's not, that's crazy.
[SPEAKER_01]: And they will not do anything particular interesting with what they learn and with the experience of watching the video, which I think it's sad, really.
[SPEAKER_00]: an issue with people over land and that isn't there because there's such an abundance of it, you know, a lot of it, good, very good that we have so many people and you could
[SPEAKER_00]: you know, if you wanted to become a master painter, you could just spend all your time watching people paint very good tutorials, but ultimately unless you're picking up the brush yourself and action and you're prepared to just for the stuff that you're doing not to look very good and go through that, I guess, you know, you're dreading water.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, this is why I always advise people at both friends who are starting the hobby or curious and I would give this advice to myself when I was starting.
[SPEAKER_01]: You have to start, man.
[SPEAKER_01]: You have to start.
[SPEAKER_01]: If you look at the process of learning other things be a sport, writing, talking, you have to start trying.
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, babies, they don't watch a ton of
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't go to class, at least I'd say, and I'll be funny, but then it's a deal for babies.
[SPEAKER_00]: So you're growing up to 12 types via an adult.
[SPEAKER_00]: See the hottest method to learn talking.
[SPEAKER_00]: You can step.
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, that's fine.
[SPEAKER_00]: I use the toilet, so you don't have to.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh my god, that sounds like nostalgia critic.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's so funny.
[SPEAKER_01]: Anyways, and they, they don't do that.
[SPEAKER_01]: They start like rumbling and babbling.
[SPEAKER_01]: They come up like, Papa, mama, doggy, all those things.
[SPEAKER_01]: And then they have, you know, proper classes and start reading, reading books.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I think that's the basic structure for really learning anything.
[SPEAKER_01]: You can't just stay at home watching your videos that they will help, but you gotta start practicing.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think I got away from that mindset very quickly because I mentioned I also really enjoy martial arts.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and in martial arts you can just sit in your couch watching videos for like,
[SPEAKER_01]: uppercuts and low kicks and what's the best posture?
[SPEAKER_01]: You have to practice.
[SPEAKER_01]: So you just got to start.
[SPEAKER_01]: You just got to start an experiment.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think it's a fundamental step of learning anything really.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's been a great chat, John, I feel like we've covered so much, so many different areas.
[SPEAKER_00]: I've really enjoyed hearing your experiences and also picking your brains on certain things.
[SPEAKER_00]: I guess the most important question of all for us to finish almost your score prediction for Scotland versus Brazil in the World Cup this summer.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh yeah, they're going to play!
[SPEAKER_01]: total Brazil victory.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think so.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, good.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm not good.
[SPEAKER_01]: I know.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm going to be on this.
[SPEAKER_01]: Our team is not doing swell at the moment.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's not doing.
[SPEAKER_00]: They're not doing hot.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: Great.
[SPEAKER_01]: So I think being realistic Brazil's problem.
[SPEAKER_01]: Actually, I don't know this cottage team.
[SPEAKER_01]: What do you can tell me about them?
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't, we won't, we won't beat Brazil.
[SPEAKER_00]: I can tell you that for sure.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, come on, where is that Sidon spirit, my favourite?
[SPEAKER_01]: Hahaha.
[SPEAKER_00]: Um, but yeah, no, it's, as we, as we finish up, anything, uh, anywhere you want to send the last night, anything you want to share with some?
[SPEAKER_01]: Um, I'm not really into any social media.
[SPEAKER_01]: You can find me on discord in the bedroom battlefields discord and some like other two three servers.
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't have an Instagram or anything like that.
[SPEAKER_01]: I guess whatever you, I guess whatever, whatever you're from and you're listening to this, just and you haven't started the hobby, just pick up a brush and start.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's a lot of fun and enjoy.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's, that's all really.
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[SPEAKER_00]: The point is it's no longer the worst Patreon ever and a huge way to appreciate the support I'm already getting on there.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's genuinely now helping to keep this podcast going.
[SPEAKER_00]: And speaking of going, I really need a P of no idea why I hit record before going to the toilet first.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's the sort of thing I would give my daughter a row for.
[SPEAKER_00]: So on that I'll quit don't believe it there and we'll chat again next time.