[SPEAKER_01]: Let the gay at name for a gay off podcast.
[SPEAKER_02]: Tim Murray is on that's a gay ass podcast to dish on the Tony Awards on wickedness and your gay ass herstery.
[SPEAKER_02]: Question number one, Tim Murray.
[SPEAKER_02]: You're calling in from New York City and the nicks have just won.
[SPEAKER_02]: Do you care?
[SPEAKER_02]: No.
[SPEAKER_01]: No.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's been a while to see the internet and my sort of outsider nest of it all.
[SPEAKER_01]: I know it's like basic to be like I don't be gay person's like I don't care about sports But like people in this city are acting like you really have to care and I'm like Okay, that's great for y'all.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think that's great.
[SPEAKER_01]: They haven't won in 56 years or whatever And that the energy is good in the city for the first time in this city's fucking history But I I don't know.
[SPEAKER_01]: I like pretended to care about sports all growing up like passes straight to have friends I'm not fucking doing that again.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm not doing that again
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't have to.
[SPEAKER_02]: I think that is the trigger if I'm being honest because yeah, I actually am.
[SPEAKER_02]: The thing that I am happy about is that people are happy in New York I think that is you know, I can I can have that sort of a compulsion.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's not the right use of that word, but I think I can have the like the like happiness for happiness But for it to be like Timothy Chalamet in the front row of the next I do struggle because it does take me back to eighth great
[SPEAKER_02]: Um, the thing that we do care about is that Timmery is on this podcast to discuss you working with some legends on the Tony Awards, you are creative consultant on the opening number, which that midler posted best opening for an awards show in years, which is
[SPEAKER_02]: In saying, you worked with the Maestro's Passic and Paul, of course, Mark Sonnenblick, a Goddamn legend.
[SPEAKER_02]: And so I'm going to ask you some of the BTS on booking that job.
[SPEAKER_02]: Just I want to clean out with you on theater in the first place, but I think it's only fair.
[SPEAKER_02]: We start with the famous podcast question, Tim Murray, and that question is, who's fault is it that you're gay?
[SPEAKER_02]: Who do we blame, babe?
[SPEAKER_01]: Growing up.
[SPEAKER_01]: I was a swimmer.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I was always on swim team and during the summer my mom will like drop me off at the like local pool and these life guards
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, it's literally that scene in the sandlot, but instead of like hot girl, it was like hot river guy.
[SPEAKER_01]: They would just walk around shirtless looking like the hottest people who've ever lived and they were like much older than me, like high schoolers when I was like in junior high or like fourth or fifth grade or whatever.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I remember there's a game called Shark that we would play that was like you would die then from one side of the deep end of the pool and try to There would be one person assigned as the shark who is like trying to stop all of us from
[SPEAKER_01]: swimming under the pool to get to the other side and it was like tackle football but in the water like you would grab the person and try to pull them up above the water and tap them on the head and I will never forget one time one of the lifeguards grabbed me and I was and pulled me up and I was just like oh no oh no I'm struggling to get away I just like he like bare hugged me and like feeling his chest as he like pulled me up
[SPEAKER_01]: above the water I was like this I literally could like still feel it in this moment if I think about it like it was like how old do you think you were when that happened?
[SPEAKER_01]: I was probably 9 or 10 and he was probably like 15 or 16.
[SPEAKER_01]: So it was like the greatest moment of my year.
[SPEAKER_02]: No, I'm actually jealous of you at 9 years old, which is crazy for me to say because I can now have full penetrative sex when really I want.
[SPEAKER_02]: But to think about the feeling of
[SPEAKER_02]: Just man chess is something I did not have for so for so long I also had a charizard so that there's like a lot of reasons to be a jealous of me And I it was a good year for me.
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, you had a charizard Pokemon card.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yes, that is huge and you and I say this as a compliment You do track as Pokemon.
[SPEAKER_02]: I would say you track as Pokemon
[SPEAKER_01]: Thank you, and in sixth grade, I got a lot of trouble for selling Pokemon at recess.
[SPEAKER_01]: I like to sell them for money, a little bit.
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, historically speaking, you grew up in Ohio.
[SPEAKER_02]: Is that correct?
[SPEAKER_02]: That's correct.
[SPEAKER_02]: Okay, so Ohio, gay guy, living as Pokemon Truth, I didn't do think the lifeguard of it all was such a huge trope, because when you brought out the sandlot,
[SPEAKER_02]: I found myself actually feeling the horniness of that female lifeguard because I could switch her out in my head to be the guys that I would see at our Jewish Community Center pool.
[SPEAKER_02]: I always love to lifeguard, which probably for me, and you can tell me if this is the same for you, for me.
[SPEAKER_02]: I've always had a thing with somebody that has an ounce of power, and whether it comes from a man in uniform or a teacher, I can still picture a sixth grade teacher on my elementary school who I wanted so badly.
[SPEAKER_02]: And then going to college, I wanted to fuck teachers, I have a whole bit in my show about having a thing for daddies, and then I ended up hooking up with my shake shack manager.
[SPEAKER_01]: Huge huge huge I grew up Catholic so it's like the guilt and the like any yeah Anyone in power and you know just growing up like a little closet gay person.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think it's like You're always you always think you're in trouble just in general.
[SPEAKER_01]: So like yeah You there's like something in our psyche.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think they like wants to be punished by Someone in charge who that was definitely a huge part of it
[SPEAKER_02]: punished or sort of accepted welcomes past validated goals.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, girl.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: I went once we get to the second half of this where we go to the sub-stack paywall.
[SPEAKER_02]: I want to hear if that's infected your horny life as well because I'm curious about like what's happening with like ex-catholic horny gay guy who is in a open relationship as a correct?
[SPEAKER_02]: That's correct.
[SPEAKER_02]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_02]: Thank goodness.
[SPEAKER_02]: Great.
[SPEAKER_02]: But when it comes to the upbringing of it all, I think it's very obvious that you have been a theater queen from the jump.
[SPEAKER_02]: What was I like to ask high school theater wise, did Tim Murray have any starring roles that were just like, oh, I ate.
[SPEAKER_02]: I am ready for the Broadway Trans.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, of course, of course.
[SPEAKER_01]: I, me as George and a nice man, honey, the teacher still talk about it.
[SPEAKER_01]: They say, they say I delivered, I had like a thick Southern accent, which is like completely not appropriate for that role.
[SPEAKER_01]: I just decided like what if I just wanted to do you know when you're in high school you think acting is accents and honey and then in college they're like, no, it's not and then you get a little older and you're like, wait, yes, it is, that one was really good.
[SPEAKER_01]: I did win in a ward for playing juror number three, the bad guy and 12 inch jurors.
[SPEAKER_02]: Wait a minute, Tim, I did 12 inch jurors too.
[SPEAKER_02]: Stop who are you?
[SPEAKER_02]: The titular.
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, my God.
[SPEAKER_02]: I was 12.
[SPEAKER_02]: Thank you.
[SPEAKER_02]: We could remount.
[SPEAKER_02]: Honestly, I do not remember a single line nor plot point, but I would love to remount.
[SPEAKER_02]: Who do we think should play jerseys?
[SPEAKER_01]: Which one was jerseys?
[SPEAKER_02]: I have no idea.
[SPEAKER_02]: Leslie, Adam Jr. You're right.
[SPEAKER_01]: Um, I awake.
[SPEAKER_01]: Can I, before I forget can I tell you didn't say anything about Leslie, Adam Jr. During the Tony's day kept saying, like for the couple of weeks leading up, I was like, who's doing it in memory?
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm the big Leslie.
[SPEAKER_01]: Leslie's doing it.
[SPEAKER_01]: They, oh, the whole time, I thought they meant Leslie August.
[SPEAKER_01]: I was like, oh, oh, that's she's she's she's she's she's really sad version of June is busting out
[SPEAKER_02]: So when you came out, I was like, oh, okay, that'd be worse than that.
[SPEAKER_02]: Which by the way, no disrespect to those fallen soldiers who did die in this past year in the feeder community.
[SPEAKER_02]: We send them our love and our thanks.
[SPEAKER_02]: I almost found that his performance was so good.
[SPEAKER_02]: I forgot that we were watching the in Memoriam.
[SPEAKER_02]: Like it's, isn't it usually when you watch those in Memoriams and those award shows?
[SPEAKER_02]: The localists become sort of the backdrop and then you're like, oh, that person passed, but Leslie was so that thought was such a good song choice.
[SPEAKER_02]: He was so fucking good I found myself just like really watching him just he's one of the greats He really he really turns it he really turns it which is kind of crazy to see the the Hamilton OG sort of have their own have you been tuned into the
[SPEAKER_02]: it renailly schools very remount of her song on TikTok what you don't know talking about from Hamilton was yeah it's like a remix of yeah
[SPEAKER_02]: It's been, it just like making me so happy anytime we see somebody lifting to that.
[SPEAKER_02]: But since we did bring up the Tony Awards, I think it's only fair that we get into it.
[SPEAKER_02]: So for anybody who doesn't know, Timmery is an amazing comedian, actor, writer, theater queen.
[SPEAKER_02]: And you have famously pitched yourself to help write for the Tony Awards.
[SPEAKER_02]: You've done it actually multiple years.
[SPEAKER_02]: Last year, you were a part of the opening as well.
[SPEAKER_02]: to book the role of helping pink with the opening number and you ended up booking said job.
[SPEAKER_02]: I am very inspired by your hustle, Timmery.
[SPEAKER_02]: You and we'll get into the other stuff you've done to a touring your shows and all that, but to be able to just like so boldly post your wishes and dreams and then for the universe to say, that, as the kid say, is cookie crazy.
[SPEAKER_02]: How did you find out you booked the job?
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, first of all, think you were saying that I do think this moment is like, huge, not just for me, but for it's bigger than me, I honestly feel like I feel like Cinderella like I literally
[SPEAKER_01]: proved that you could just be a person with a phone and no connections.
[SPEAKER_01]: And if you fight hard enough for it and like just do the work and put it out, there's somebody might throw the ladder down for you, which is what Benge Passek and Justin Paul did for me.
[SPEAKER_01]: They were working on the show last year and I made 10 videos pitching to Cynthia Rivo.
[SPEAKER_01]: saying that I wanted to write for her for the Tony's and like three weeks before the show, I got a DM from Benj Passack that was like what's your phone number and I was like, what I was like, I wonder what this is and then I got a text from Alex Edelman who was,
[SPEAKER_01]: the writer of the awards that last year, and he was like, hey, Tim, I think we've had an Edinburgh fringe, like really briefly, outside of a crape stand, you were painted green, then showed me your videos.
[SPEAKER_01]: And, you know, we don't know how you can be involved, but we would at least love to like hop on a call and we'll pay you for your time.
[SPEAKER_01]: And then that call, I just came like so prepared.
[SPEAKER_01]: I was like, I have like eight million pitches.
[SPEAKER_01]: And so,
[SPEAKER_01]: they got me a consultant credit last year on the show and then put me in the opening, which was like so kind of them.
[SPEAKER_01]: So I was like acting up since the Rebo was like the whole thing was really insane.
[SPEAKER_01]: And then this year the boys, Pascal Paul weren't doing it, they weren't going to be part of the show.
[SPEAKER_01]: And so I was like just trying to pitch myself again to see if somebody
[SPEAKER_01]: And so I just kept pitching it and pitching it and then passing them all got pulled in to do it, like sort of last minute to do just do the opening number.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like three weeks I think before again before the Tony so I had like mourned it I was like it's not going to happen forget about it and then I got a text from just an revenge on when I was on a train that just said they both just wrote hi.
[SPEAKER_01]: I was like, what is this, what's going on?
[SPEAKER_01]: Hi, hi, and then they called me and they were like, you're on speaker phone with Oscar, winning songwriter, Mark Sun and Blake, who is one of the writers of a little song called Golden from K-pop Demon Hunters.
[SPEAKER_01]: And they were like, we are gonna write the opening of the townies and we're gonna find a way to bring you in again.
[SPEAKER_01]: They are my fairy godmother's truly like I can you believe there are e-gots who are texting you and then putting you on a speaker phone telephone call of all things and the greatest guys they're like so funny and silly and ridiculous like us like they're just they're there are my people I just love them
[SPEAKER_02]: I just I again cannot be happier for you.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's it's it's taken me a long time to finally get you on this podcast and I think part of this I knew there was going to be a time to felt really right and this time feels so right because I just feel like a win for you is a win for us and we I think are a lot of us you and I and a lot of people listening are cut from the same cloth which is just like
[SPEAKER_02]: really energetic gay guys, gay people who love theater, who love to be silly, who have a big dream and are having to do a lot of it ourselves, and I just, not only did it happen, but then the opening number itself is so, I mean, so good.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's, it's so affirming.
[SPEAKER_02]: In fact, um,
[SPEAKER_02]: Bench in a little interview for Play Bill talking about creating this did name drop you saying we got on a zoom call with Tim Murray who serves as a creative consultant.
[SPEAKER_02]: We were pitching our own ideas trying to figure it out which it must have felt amazing that of course get the the credit and that again shows how amazing they are.
[SPEAKER_02]: Pink I think I think
[SPEAKER_02]: surprise everybody with how good of a host she was she was so even in the stuff I was reading about like the prep she wanted to make fun of herself she wanted to show how much she cares about the community some people were pissed when she was announced as the host because she's not a theater person and then I think she every step of the way did.
[SPEAKER_02]: everything she could to show her love for the theater community and then of course by the end of the tone is people were like she was amazing at pretending like they never said anything why do you think Pete gay people can be so quick to jump to a judgment and then of course like flip flop so fast.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think the flip-flop happened because she just made it undeniable.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like she just, she turned it so hard that it was like, what could you possibly say?
[SPEAKER_01]: Like when she walked out there, just like started whaling, the energy in the room was like, first of all, the energy in the room from, the moment she came out was like spinning in the air.
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh my god.
[SPEAKER_01]: People were screaming and I,
[SPEAKER_01]: told her that was going to happen.
[SPEAKER_01]: I was like this they're going to be obsessed with you.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like because she's just an awesome incredible performer but she's like everybody else.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like she wanted to do a good job and she wanted to show up for the theater community and she's sure freaking did
[SPEAKER_01]: You like work on something like Ben's and Justin and Mark, we're saying in that playable article, like it was just us on the Zoom, trying to make each other laugh.
[SPEAKER_01]: You work on something with a small group of people, you're like, I hope people get it.
[SPEAKER_01]: I hope that they're going to like it, but you don't know for sure until it's just like stand up, like you don't know until you're up there, how it's going to be received.
[SPEAKER_01]: And so when like Boom lights on Deborah Cox,
[SPEAKER_01]: And she was like, I don't know, freaking out a potty boom, lights on Anne Hirata.
[SPEAKER_01]: They're freaking out a plotting lights on shit at top.
[SPEAKER_01]: They're freaking out a plotting, like for these three character actors of the season.
[SPEAKER_01]: It was like bench set of s. He was like that that people freaking out for three character actresses is that's the world I want to live in.
[SPEAKER_02]: And that is the world that we live in on this podcast, and I felt so horny for the character actresses.
[SPEAKER_01]: I also think it's like very little ladies from their show like so literally.
[SPEAKER_02]: We also have to honor for a second the lyric that has been celebrated for good reason.
[SPEAKER_02]: Gitchie Gitchie, Carrie Cune.
[SPEAKER_02]: I do think actually one of my favorite tweets I saw was I know we all loved Gitchie Gitchie, Carrie Cune.
[SPEAKER_02]: But if you look we're really sleeping on
[SPEAKER_02]: Squippy, Squippy, Squippy, June.
[SPEAKER_02]: I think it was so smart to and this is usually said in a negative way, but I think in a positive way, you like positively reheated the Aryan and Debose Nachos of going into the audience to give us a quick shot of a character actress who is unbeknownst to part of the number.
[SPEAKER_02]: Hangzhou, Dali Lee.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, it's like that.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's a love bastard.
[SPEAKER_01]: Thank you.
[SPEAKER_02]: I did that.
[SPEAKER_02]: And the two also out of breath.
[SPEAKER_02]: Do the thing.
[SPEAKER_02]: I just, I think that it was such a great way.
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't even know if was, was that at all an inspiration for you?
[SPEAKER_02]: It's a gayish, emotional ask on this podcast, but was that a part of it?
[SPEAKER_02]: Or am I just kind of conflating it in my own gay way?
[SPEAKER_01]: Not like consciously, but then, um,
[SPEAKER_01]: The during like the couple of days before the show went live we did have the discussion of like Wait, I hope this doesn't read like that like because it we didn't like really realize it was mostly like our goal was To feature as many of the shows as possible and to feature pink sub-bility and like to have
[SPEAKER_01]: as many people like be a part of it, but also reference.
[SPEAKER_01]: So like, yeah, I think, you know, I think the initial instinct of that Angela Bassett thing was like really instinctually right.
[SPEAKER_01]: It just didn't really pan out, you know, it's just like it's like I'm saying like you just don't know until it's up in front of a crowd how it's going to land.
[SPEAKER_01]: was like maybe there should be something in this opening like to just nod that like this is not that.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like that we're not taking this seriously.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like the squabies squabies squabies squabies squabies, but then I think the conversation quickly turned to like, no, we know we can like feel that we leaned into how stupid this is and stupid and fun and like it's kind of,
[SPEAKER_01]: What I think is so special about it is it's like, it'll be something really stupid and ridiculous, like squiby squiby squiby squiby june and then all of a sudden someone is like Belting their face off or the dancers are just being like so it goes like I just got as it goes like fierce ridiculous fierce ridiculous and then I don't so did it to have pink herself
[SPEAKER_02]: cover Lady Marmalade, a song that is so deeply a part of our cultural fabric, especially gay people, but also just like pop lovers, and then to have a have the Broadway twist, and then to have a call out character actresses and people, everyone from the Broadway season, it's just, it's struck every delicious court.
[SPEAKER_02]: This is a bit of a shady thing, but it is a compliment to Pink.
[SPEAKER_02]: One of my friends texted me, why is Pink out singing so many of these Broadway people?
[SPEAKER_02]: Because I'm not going to make you say anything negative about the show.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm going to say this out for myself.
[SPEAKER_02]: the tone is a lot of the time have a frustrating relationship to sound.
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't know why.
[SPEAKER_02]: I maybe it's because it's like the Broadway needs TV.
[SPEAKER_02]: I think some of the show's performances got dare I say a little bit ruined because of the sound.
[SPEAKER_02]: And my watching it, as somebody who's like, produced my own shit and been so worried about tech, I was feeling so...
[SPEAKER_02]: just so empathetically for the performers because I think from my vantage point it seemed like what they were hearing in their ears was not with the audience was hearing like the ensemble and then with the soloists did it sound in the room like was it all matched in the room when you were watching it live or did you was there any sort of delay in the room?
[SPEAKER_01]: Here's what I will say in defense of the show end up the sound people.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think they were truly doing the best that they can.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I think that they're very good at what they do.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think what I did not realize, I think most people don't realize until getting to work on a show like this.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I don't think this is just the Tony's.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think this is most award shows is that we, these shows are hanging, but maybe I don't want to say that.
[SPEAKER_01]: We need to be tuning in and watching these shows if we want to keep them on that work television because
[SPEAKER_01]: So the point about like the next game, like that's what's so frustrating to me is like, I walked by the Tony Awards taking a selfie in front of Radio City and this dude was like, what's going on in a radio city?
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't think it's the Tony Awards and he goes, what's the Tony Awards?
[SPEAKER_01]: Some New Yorker and I was like, oh, okay, take it be done up by pedestal, but like, we, you know, the Oscars are
[SPEAKER_01]: As of now, going to YouTube in a couple of years, like, if we want to keep these awards shows alive, we have to tune in and give them the ratings that will give the money to actually have the time.
[SPEAKER_01]: The thing I'm the long-winded way I'm trying to say is like, you would be shocked
[SPEAKER_02]: No, like the interviews that that they you all were giving about the opening and saying how last minute that came together.
[SPEAKER_02]: I was like, I mean, it's truly the show.
[SPEAKER_01]: What's the reason that was able to be as successful as it is, is because Broadway people are such pros.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: They like, I don't think you could have done that level of or that kind of thing with like,
[SPEAKER_02]: no shade, but like Hollywood actors and like LA dancers could turn the dancing party of it all, but like not in the way that these New York theater actors could show up and be like, right, you know, again, I'm going to give pink her flowers too because for her to be that effortlessly funny and sound that good and to be you can the thing that I found so amazing about her as the host is that she was clearly
[SPEAKER_02]: uh, doing it live in the moment and it was so yes prepared, but also she had that great balance of like being really prepared, but also allowing herself to like call out what was happening in the room if something like got a little messed up like she, I cannot, you know, obviously I'm not just saying this because like, it's not like I'm pink is paying my bills.
[SPEAKER_02]: I just think she was so good.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I think that, uh, it is, you know,
[SPEAKER_02]: such a, such a hard job to be the host like that.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's why having a Patrick Harris come out with so cool.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I'm going to put this in the universe for both of us.
[SPEAKER_02]: I think both of us one day can and should and will host some sort of a work show like this.
[SPEAKER_02]: Like that's one of my dreams as a performer is to like grow my stuff get my, you know,
[SPEAKER_02]: get to do a Broadway show or the Tony Awards like I've been such a theater girl from the jump and it's just it was just so cool to see you as a fellow theater queen be a part of the Tony magic.
[SPEAKER_02]: Something else that is a big part of your herstery with theater is your show called Witches.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's a solo show that you have poured so much heart and time into you didn't Edinburgh, you toured it all over the country, you just taped a special in Seattle.
[SPEAKER_02]: Um, before we get into the any of the defts on it, do you have any T on when we can see the special?
[SPEAKER_01]: It hasn't been sold to anyone yet.
[SPEAKER_01]: We basically put our own money into it, um, to fill in it.
[SPEAKER_01]: And then we're in talks with like a couple of networks.
[SPEAKER_01]: But I'm not sure what we're going to end up doing with it quite yet.
[SPEAKER_02]: I was a lot of people doing right now, I mean a lot of it's actually is another inspiring thing so many people are self financing their specials trying to shop it around if it doesn't get bought even self releasing it is still you know super exciting so whatever happens, I mean it's just a huge deal that you were able to to get to this place.
[SPEAKER_01]: Thanks.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm really proud of it.
[SPEAKER_01]: It looks unbelievable.
[SPEAKER_01]: This incredible director, my friend, Brent, he basically, like, we were looking at like different people we could hire and he was like, I have to do this.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like, he was like, he just had this vision for it and she was like, I,
[SPEAKER_01]: He sent the pitch deck of like how he wanted it to look and what you wanted to do and it was so cool that I was like it has to be this guy and she was like I live in Seattle so like if you want me to make this look like
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm really excited about it.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think either way, my goal is to release it during like Halloween time, like during actual work, whether it ends up on YouTube or a network, we spell see you.
[SPEAKER_02]: But yeah, I'm very excited to see it.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm so excited.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's it's it's again very, I know how much work goes in a self-producing stuff like that, and then to get a full team on board to actually film a special in the way that you're describing is so huge.
[SPEAKER_02]: I just canceled a couple of my solo shows because the tour that I did back in March nearly killed me and I've been trying to like keep this podcast up and sub-stack has been become my main source of income and all that suffered because of my tour and so
[SPEAKER_02]: So if anybody remembers me saying I was going to do a show in Fire Island, that's currently being postponed, I'm going to be doing the show again in New York and LA, but it's, you know, it's hard, it's really hard to like have the bandwidth to do all of this.
[SPEAKER_02]: But related to the the wick wick witches of it all.
[SPEAKER_02]: and wicked.
[SPEAKER_02]: You shared someone's tweet that says, I wonder how many times I have died on Fuck Mary Kill.
[SPEAKER_02]: In honor of that, Andrew love for wicked.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm going to ask you a very niche related Fuck Mary Kill.
[SPEAKER_02]: Timmery.
[SPEAKER_02]: Fuck Mary Kill, Norbert Leo Butts, Aaron Tovate, and Jonathan Bailey.
[SPEAKER_02]: Three Fieros.
[SPEAKER_02]: What's your answer?
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh my god, that's really hard.
[SPEAKER_01]: I would fuck Jonathan Bailey, that's like such a no brainer.
[SPEAKER_01]: What a beautiful human being.
[SPEAKER_01]: He, I saw him at the opening of a Broadway show like a couple months ago, and I was like, let me just walk up this.
[SPEAKER_01]: I was like, let me just, he seems normal.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like, let me just walk up and say hi and as I was approaching to be like, just like, hey, I'm a big fan.
[SPEAKER_01]: Live, not anything like this.
[SPEAKER_01]: 30 people spotted him and it was really scary.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like they like like like like like came at him in a crowd of like he sort of very graciously being like thank you and like running away.
[SPEAKER_01]: I was like I was like that boy was about to get tripled.
[SPEAKER_02]: It was really that what was a demographic of the 30 people um, sampling him was like it's, yeah, okay, gay, homo, theater, theater, guys, and some of the employees with their rimp with their little wrist slimp.
[SPEAKER_01]: at times out.
[SPEAKER_01]: They all look exactly like me.
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, we'll have to do the same thing.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm like, I can't believe they're all doing this.
[SPEAKER_02]: So embarrassing for those 30.
[SPEAKER_02]: You look just okay.
[SPEAKER_02]: So you're fucking Jonathan Bailey.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm marrying over Leo, but I con legend star.
[SPEAKER_01]: Um, and then I guess I got a axe and it's a double.
[SPEAKER_01]: Wow, a little tough.
[SPEAKER_02]: Aaron to be is a big listener.
[SPEAKER_02]: So I hope he's, I hope he's doing okay right now on the Astoria subway that I used to see him on all the time when I'm in New York.
[SPEAKER_01]: Same.
[SPEAKER_01]: One time I was listening to catch me if you cared while he was seeing the costume of the subway and I was like, do I say something?
[SPEAKER_01]: Do I say something?
[SPEAKER_02]: You just show your, you're my pod touch.
[SPEAKER_01]: So he's a little like, yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: One of my favorite Subway moments like that is I was reading some stupid tweet about something Housewives related and I looked down and I saw Darinda Medley sitting on the Subway seat.
[SPEAKER_02]: So that was shek.
[SPEAKER_01]: Darinda Medley on the Subway.
[SPEAKER_02]: I know, can you believe?
[SPEAKER_02]: This was a long time ago, so maybe she's transitioned to just town car.
[SPEAKER_02]: My other, I've a devastating subway story.
[SPEAKER_02]: I told it years ago on the podcast.
[SPEAKER_02]: One time I was crying with a friend on the subway as you do, it was like a very stressful time.
[SPEAKER_02]: Matt and I were going through a tough period.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm weeping to my friend.
[SPEAKER_02]: I look over.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's Matt Rogers.
[SPEAKER_02]: I hid.
[SPEAKER_02]: Who I obviously like know and adore, I was like, I have not seen Matt.
[SPEAKER_02]: In couple years, the first time I see him is not going to be me red bloated face weeping on the G train of all places.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's honestly like the perfect person to see I feel like he would be like he would like lift you up right away And be he'd be like girl.
[SPEAKER_01]: This was me three days ago.
[SPEAKER_02]: My ego and pride could not half-taken it in that my Remind But listen, I don't want to keep this trucking along so we can have some time to have horny talk on stuff stack so and very stark contrast to
[SPEAKER_02]: the wickedness of it all quick.
[SPEAKER_02]: As someone who is a creator and you're used to people saying things about you on the internet, Twitter is starting to call this podcast Fag Slop.
[SPEAKER_02]: Should I be flattered or devastated?
[SPEAKER_02]: How do you think I should position this?
[SPEAKER_01]: I think it's amazing that Twitter still exists and anyone is even looking at it anymore.
[SPEAKER_01]: So I think the fact that you're being mentioned by that community of like 14 people that are left, I think is great.
[SPEAKER_01]: Fags lot.
[SPEAKER_01]: Let them, they've said much worse about me.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'll tell you that right now.
[SPEAKER_02]: What have they said about you?
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh my god.
[SPEAKER_01]: I had this video that a year ago called on funny gay guys that was like about It was like about those days that you run into a bars or like it was like based off a very real person in my life Like every time I saw him would be I'd be like I should I'd be like remember I was like I just went to a movie this afternoon I'd be like, oh were you taking loads in the theater?
[SPEAKER_01]: You slat you bag slat
[SPEAKER_01]: I was like, no, it was a, it was in city as two.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I was just enjoying a, the horror show.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like, just like that kind of like just using like, like, basic gay lingo to respond to everything.
[SPEAKER_01]: And oh, boy, the internet was not happy with me.
[SPEAKER_01]: They called me a femme shamer.
[SPEAKER_01]: I was like, does like, if you know me at all, it's like not really possible for me to be that.
[SPEAKER_01]: And also just like not the point in any way, shape or form, but yeah, there was a really bad thing in that area.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's the bad faith interpretation.
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't know if you, since you're not on Twitter, which is very healthy for you.
[SPEAKER_02]: A video from the podcast last week, which was Nick Locklin talking about the bear community, and I asked him about the word Chaser and it.
[SPEAKER_02]: got very heated on both Twitter and Instagram.
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't even get into the specifics of it, but it was really wild to see.
[SPEAKER_02]: It has over 500,000 views of people really fired it up about the discourse around...
[SPEAKER_02]: Gainers, feeders, just anyways, I'm just all this to say, I validate that people can really run with things and call you some shame or what I love to go ahead.
[SPEAKER_01]: One of the best things that ever happened to me, which at the time was very devastating, but I got banned from Twitter.
[SPEAKER_01]: Before it became X, like years ago, I was banned for posting a sound of music meme that I let copyright law apparently.
[SPEAKER_02]: What a way to go.
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, no way to go.
[SPEAKER_02]: Sound of you's a copy right, shout out something else that you do online.
[SPEAKER_02]: The I love is all your work with Michael Henry.
[SPEAKER_02]: Michael has become a friend and he, I think, is so, so talented, so funny.
[SPEAKER_02]: You're so wish you were queer with Michael Henry.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's produced by Trixie Mattel.
[SPEAKER_02]: You traveled all around the country doing stand-up.
[SPEAKER_02]: What would you say is the most or one of the most homophobic places that you performed in either for that show or just in general?
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, that's a good west.
[SPEAKER_01]: The most homophobic place I performed in was a gay crisp.
[SPEAKER_01]: Same or.
[SPEAKER_01]: I so I performed three nights on a gay cruise and I won't say the name of it, but they basically the first night they're reigned on the deck upstairs where like the Dinstance Dance Party was.
[SPEAKER_01]: So the gaze around our age, like 30s, 40s and younger came out and saw the show and I crushed and it was like so fun.
[SPEAKER_01]: I was like, I love this.
[SPEAKER_01]: This is a great gig.
[SPEAKER_01]: Was it?
[SPEAKER_01]: It was just, I was just doing regular stand-up with another comedian.
[SPEAKER_01]: They basically had like a rotating cast of comics on the ship, and it was like, there was like four or five of us, I think, and so every other night we would do like, one of us would do 30 minutes and the other one would do the other 30.
[SPEAKER_01]: And so the first night was awesome.
[SPEAKER_01]: Me and the other comic both crushed.
[SPEAKER_01]: It was super fun.
[SPEAKER_01]: And then the next, I do more nights of shows.
[SPEAKER_01]: And both those nights, I'm not kidding.
[SPEAKER_01]: It was a full 30 minutes of complete silence.
[SPEAKER_01]: Maybe I had two or three jokes that landed.
[SPEAKER_01]: But like for 30 minutes, just absolute silence.
[SPEAKER_01]: And it was that thing where I was like, looking out of this crowd of like gay men of a certain generation.
[SPEAKER_01]: who truly, I could see in their eyes that they hated me, like wanted bad things to happen to me.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like you could like feel the reverberation of anger and just, you know, it just was like the classic trouble of like gay men don't support other gay men.
[SPEAKER_01]: And then in our later I went to support my friends doing drag and a wig and those same exact gay men are like,
[SPEAKER_01]: He's singing something from the wish of ours and they're like throwing their bras at the stage.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like just like, it's just this bizarre like because I didn't have a wig on, I reminded them too much of themselves and they wanted me.
[SPEAKER_02]: you said though you said though there was like a as a specific generation would you say that it was a specific demographic of the gaze that we're hating you so much or do you feel comfortable saying what that demographic was or what yeah i mean uh yeah this is like data i'm not i'm not like giving my opinion it was literally like the first night it was like gaze
[SPEAKER_01]: Gen Xers Millennials and Gen Z.
[SPEAKER_01]: And then the next two nights, it was gay men all 60 plus.
[SPEAKER_01]: Which likely, yeah, which, you know, if I'm hanging out a bar with gay men, 60 plus, I'm having a great time.
[SPEAKER_01]: But this is also, I'm not saying that like as a generalization of all gay men over 60 would hate me, because I've done witches again, I'm in drag for witches, and they love it.
[SPEAKER_01]: Um, but I think there is something, um, I just think there's something that that generation obviously, something, a very obvious something, but just many, many things that they had to deal with.
[SPEAKER_01]: That was like so hard and their trauma has metastasized in a lot of ways and, um, they,
[SPEAKER_01]: They were not having it.
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, I do not envy anyone that has to go through the experience of performing comedy to C-Lensio.
[SPEAKER_02]: I think I have obviously been there as well and talk about a...
[SPEAKER_02]: a growing moment, a skin thickener, a, uh, just it's so, it was rough.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I'm not the only comic who's had this experience.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like, I would say I've every comic who's done a gay cruise has a similar, but that's story.
[SPEAKER_02]: Let me just say for a second and then we'll go on to the final question of the pod.
[SPEAKER_02]: But just like, that's the hardest part about what you are doing and what anybody who is doing anything creative publicly is allowing yourself to be scrutinized.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's like, whenever I talk to anybody about like,
[SPEAKER_02]: putting on a podcast, putting on a show.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's always like, yeah, but I don't want to be perceived.
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't want people to have the even opportunity to say they're opinion about my identity, my work.
[SPEAKER_02]: And so it is one of the scariest things in the world.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's why my body has gone into fight or flight anytime.
[SPEAKER_02]: I like started to work on something new.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's because there's this fear that you're going to be.
[SPEAKER_02]: you know cast aside or judge or that's partly why this whole fax something on Twitter is like you know a lot of it's funny and even my therapist is like the more people that listen to the more people are not going to like you which I do think is like a a difficult truth but it is end up being a positive thing but you know having the people giving the chance giving people the chance to like
[SPEAKER_02]: not laugh at your jokes or hate your work wherever it is.
[SPEAKER_02]: Like it's scary, Mary.
[SPEAKER_02]: But what's also scary, Mary, Timmery is the final podcast question, which is a very tough one.
[SPEAKER_02]: And that question is if the world was ending, you could only save one character actress?
[SPEAKER_02]: Who would you say?
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, I'm gonna give me truthful answer, but I'm certain this has been set on this pod before, so I have a more niche answer as well, but my truth is obvious, it's Parker Posey.
[SPEAKER_02]: And she can never be overstated.
[SPEAKER_02]: Really quick to dive in.
[SPEAKER_02]: Parker Posey, what would you say was your on tray, or one of your number one favorite toes?
[SPEAKER_01]: Scream three is like, absolutely incredible.
[SPEAKER_01]: There are no bad screen movies, famously Zack Noe Towers said that if it's true.
[SPEAKER_01]: There are no bad screen movies, but it is the worst of the entire franchise.
[SPEAKER_01]: Because it's just like, it just doesn't quite hit the same notes and camp level as the others, but she is doing a tour to force in that film.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like every single thing she does lands,
[SPEAKER_01]: You can see her rolled out.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's just everything she does is incredible.
[SPEAKER_01]: That was a big entry point for me.
[SPEAKER_01]: Obviously all the, um, Christopher guest movies, Gavin and get a Coke, Gavin and get a Coke.
[SPEAKER_02]: Um, if you're thirsty.
[SPEAKER_01]: If you're thirsty.
[SPEAKER_01]: and then obviously on white notice recently like she just really never misses and I also love this she's a theater girl and my husband took a um Pilates class with her recently and he's said that when it was over he cursed seed at her and said I just want to say thank you for screen three.
[SPEAKER_01]: and she pulled him off to the side and talked to him for like 25 minutes.
[SPEAKER_01]: It was like, so what's your story, you're an actor?
[SPEAKER_01]: This is an L.A. She's like, I live in New York.
[SPEAKER_01]: I feel like so out of sorts here, like she seems like an angel.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm really cool and cooking.
[SPEAKER_02]: Everybody breathed that in the visual parker pose, taking a side of gay guy and saying, I don't really feel like I fit in here and then finding solace with a gay guy who mentioned to her his love of scream three.
[SPEAKER_02]: That is why parker pose Z is a perfect answer because on-screen icon and off-screen you know she is a good fucking hang.
[SPEAKER_02]: Who is your- who is your niche character
[SPEAKER_01]: My morning niche, and I only say niche because I know it's like theater community, right, uh, specific, but it's not niche to problem with people.
[SPEAKER_01]: Beth level.
[SPEAKER_01]: Beth level of the jazzy shop around Beth level at the prom Beth level of life just listener if you don't know who this person is do yourself a favor a type in the youtube dot com Beth level of the jazzy shop around Tony's as we stumble along or no it's not on the Tony's but you can find that clip and she plays a drunk mentor and it's.
[SPEAKER_02]: What live one of the funniest performances I've ever seen in my life so the first probably show we ever saw was Beth level in the drowsy shop around I was 17 years old I don't know if you know this but she came on this podcast and I got to show her a photo of myself with her at 17 years old Intel her how much she meant to me and I can even get a little a motion thinking about it now.
[SPEAKER_02]: She
[SPEAKER_02]: is one of the greats and deserves to be mentioned at every turn and is such a good character actress answer and may she continue to reign.
[SPEAKER_01]: She's everything.
[SPEAKER_01]: I wrote this screenplay that I've been pitching around a base on a true thing in my hometown called The Witches Walk, which is Santa Con, but for women in their
[SPEAKER_02]: how much better than Santa Constance.
[SPEAKER_01]: So I'm much better.
[SPEAKER_01]: They just, they, they, and I shouldn't set a con as like derogatory.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's like a better version of that.
[SPEAKER_01]: They make their own costumes.
[SPEAKER_01]: And it's all those like female empowerment and getting together and getting strong attention.
[SPEAKER_01]: Dancing in the street.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it's incredible.
[SPEAKER_01]: They like do like a whole parade down the street.
[SPEAKER_01]: As I wrote this screenplay about it, and I messaged Beth level.
[SPEAKER_01]: Do not know her.
[SPEAKER_01]: I messaged Beth level.
[SPEAKER_01]: Liz Larson, another icon, Amy Spanger, another musical leader icon and Julia Merney, the hits just keep on hitting.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I was like, hi ladies, I wrote this like insane screenplay about these four women and they all said yes that they would come read it and we sat around a table and they like read it for me just because they were like, they were like, yeah, we want to read
[SPEAKER_02]: But see, that is you putting out into the universe what you want and deeming some broadway character versus Amy Spanger.
[SPEAKER_01]: When I tell you we used to Blair that song I went to college in Miami and we would go to South Beach and Blair that song in my superhero for like wedding scene or from the wedding singer.
[SPEAKER_02]: I listen to that shit still to this day.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm Tim Murray will you before we head over to asking about your open relation about your Catholic shame about your Broadway crushes and I'm going to ask about me getting what maybe a hair transplant before we go over to that will you tell his listeners where to follow you and if there's anything you would like for them to know.
[SPEAKER_01]: Follow me at T-Marie 06 on all platforms.
[SPEAKER_01]: I am going on tour if you find yourself in Dallas, P-Town, where else am I going?
[SPEAKER_01]: Toronto, Washington, DC, New York City, come have a laugh.
[SPEAKER_01]: Some of those cities is me doing witches and some of them is me and Michael Henry.
[SPEAKER_01]: So come, bye.
[SPEAKER_02]: Shout out.
[SPEAKER_02]: We've linked Tim's socials in the description.
[SPEAKER_02]: Go see Tim live, go support.
[SPEAKER_01]: Also, sorry, traders, my unauthorized musical parody of the TV show traders, July 11th in New York City, Mitch Wood is Emacola from ShmigaDoo and the cast is incredible.
[SPEAKER_01]: You're going to have Ian Paget, friend of the pod, you're playing Jesus.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's going to be, it's going to be a good time.
[SPEAKER_02]: All right, yeah, everybody go, go, go, go, go, go.
[SPEAKER_02]: They're so, so many beautiful gay things to enjoy from Tim.
[SPEAKER_02]: But speaking of, let's get into the horny conversation now.
[SPEAKER_02]: For the sub-stecker release, we, of course, like to get into our formative firsts, really hot or embarrassing or exciting hook-up tales.
[SPEAKER_02]: Let's go into that.
[SPEAKER_02]: Do you have any hook-up tales or dating stories that felt really hot or formative that you would like to share with us?
[SPEAKER_01]: One of my fun hot ones was when I first started touring doing stand up, Michael Henry and I went to Toronto and let me tell you, these Canadian men really know what's up.
[SPEAKER_01]: They really know what's up and my I was they're like three nights.
[SPEAKER_01]: So the first night I was there We're out of the gay club.
[SPEAKER_01]: I get ungrinder.
[SPEAKER_01]: I go and hook up with like Distance Sainely hot man.
[SPEAKER_01]: It was so fun.
[SPEAKER_01]: He lived in like a big house and so I walked in this like giant house Like past a couple other gay guys in the kitchen and we go up to like the top floor.
[SPEAKER_01]: We hook up there
[SPEAKER_01]: The next day I get on Grindr again and a different guy's like come over me and a couple guys are hooking up.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's like awesome sounds like my dream come true.
[SPEAKER_01]: I go there as I am walking up to the house and like.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's the same house.
[SPEAKER_01]: This is the same house.
[SPEAKER_01]: I was here yesterday.
[SPEAKER_01]: What was it like that?
[SPEAKER_01]: It's from the kitchen.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think it probably was.
[SPEAKER_01]: I didn't see them like long enough to like really claw.
[SPEAKER_02]: Is there one gay house in Toronto?
[SPEAKER_02]: Is that what we're learning?
[SPEAKER_01]: I guess so.
[SPEAKER_01]: There's just one gay house where all the men are.
[SPEAKER_02]: Instead of like a tick-tock high-pause, it's just one gay raffle where every grinder interaction happens in Toronto.
[SPEAKER_02]: How would you compare night one hook up to night two?
[SPEAKER_01]: As they were both great, but night two was a group situation.
[SPEAKER_02]: For the rest of the interview, head to Substack, linked below where you will also find chats with Colin Braun, Rich Burns, Christopher Pattison Rosso, Tyler Varvel, Sebastian Dino, Cody Silver, Johnny Sibly, Sam Altizer, and more.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's at substack.com slash at Eric Wills, and I will see you there for a gorgeous Harry Hornie Time.
[SPEAKER_02]: I love you, bye!