[SPEAKER_00]: Hello and welcome to turn out a punk splits, I'm your host Damian Abram, and on this show, we bring back not one but two former guests of turn out a punk that may or may not know each other and hope for a great conversation.
[SPEAKER_00]: Today it was like, you know, shooting fish in a barrel because these guys have been in a band together for a very long time, both of whom I consider very good friends, Jordan.
[SPEAKER_00]: Posner is a former band member of mine and Scott Vogel is like a mentor a brother Something some relation and in some great capacity So these this is a fun episode.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm very excited for you to hear it.
[SPEAKER_00]: They both of course play in the mighty terror
[SPEAKER_00]: who have a great new record, click terror is never put in a bad record.
[SPEAKER_00]: They're one of those bands that if you like terror, they're always gonna be put in an awesome record.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I say this as someone who's been a fan, been on tour of them.
[SPEAKER_00]: No, but their first seven is when it came out via mail order.
[SPEAKER_00]: they've got a brand new record on flat spot record still suffer and as I say it is a fantastic record you can pick it up everywhere now and of course you can see terror going on tour because this is this band is a road dog band that's for sure they're going to be playing at new jersey and they've got a bunch of dates in Europe throughout July and into August and I'm going to have links to those in the description below you can also find on terrorist band camp page and on
[SPEAKER_00]: Terrors Instagram page will be links to all that stuff and where to get tickets, but you know it's convenient if it's in the description.
[SPEAKER_00]: I know that too.
[SPEAKER_00]: So as I said, there are people that I known for a very long time, both of them have been on the show.
[SPEAKER_00]: While Jordan only one time before, I'm going to put that episode up later on this week as a classic episode turned up a classic episode.
[SPEAKER_00]: but Scott's been on twice before this is third time so he's joining that that rarified air of the three time on turning a punk club which i know he's gonna
[SPEAKER_00]: wear that t-shirt everywhere he goes that I gave him for that because he's one thing you say about Scott Vogel is he's a huge fan of punk rock uh the uh I've got some notes here but I don't really understand them I've got to make these notes clear next time but I I don't think there's too much that I got to get to you're going to be able to hear this all go down in a second so sit back relax and enjoy
[SPEAKER_00]: Scott, George, welcome back to the show.
[SPEAKER_00]: Or should I say Scott Vogel and George, welcome back to the show.
[SPEAKER_00]: What's up?
[SPEAKER_02]: Thanks for having us beautiful.
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, I can't.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm so happy to see your guys faces.
[SPEAKER_00]: This is taken.
[SPEAKER_00]: My brother and I were talking about it, and I think both of us through separate channels have been working on trying to make this episode happen for like pre-pandemic.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like this has been been trying for like 10 years to make this happen.
[SPEAKER_02]: What would you say?
[SPEAKER_02]: What was the hold up?
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know, George, what do you think the hold up was?
[SPEAKER_01]: Probably my fault because this is like the third podcast I've ever done.
[SPEAKER_01]: So the first one being with you and 11 years ago.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, you're one of the first.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's going up as a turn to the punk classic, the same week as this episode.
[SPEAKER_01]: And how many times have you had Scott now?
[SPEAKER_00]: twice.
[SPEAKER_00]: But Scott's first appearance was during a wilder time in Scott's life.
[SPEAKER_00]: And it was the van droid.
[SPEAKER_00]: But not drunk, but bus.
[SPEAKER_00]: But and you killed it.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's one of the all time prayed episodes.
[SPEAKER_00]: Sure, your episode's amazing, too.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like a classic.
[SPEAKER_01]: Really.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, like I feel like I've gotten better as a podcasters, but you were, I feel like you and me had so much shared history that it was like both of us just kind of like unpacking our childhoods together.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I remember and like we didn't like scratch the surface with everything kind of had to like cut it off after a little bit.
[SPEAKER_00]: We didn't hour back then.
[SPEAKER_00]: I was trying to come to an hour, but now my god, well you guys are on tour.
[SPEAKER_00]: I always feel bad when I catch with you guys on tour because I don't want to keep you from like, you know, work.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, today's an office, so no work today.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, man.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, this is this is a chore.
[SPEAKER_00]: But Scott, you are like
[SPEAKER_00]: uh... california sober no i'll have like a beer a day of beer so for me that's like nothing that's water that's nothing i remember drinking uh... we might even talk about this on the first podcast that the scott vogue on uh... on the uh... sandway tour we did together which was like orange vitamin water vodka
[SPEAKER_00]: Orch juice, to remember what I was going to call it.
[SPEAKER_02]: Sounds like sounds like a good day.
[SPEAKER_02]: Sounds like a good way to start the day.
[SPEAKER_00]: That was a, yeah, like I look back on those sandwave tours as being pretty spectacular times, like there was just weird events like watching Metallica play from the back seat of a stadium, while I'm listening to you integrity on my headphones.
[SPEAKER_00]: just like this is so weird to be here.
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't know if it was the same one we did with you.
[SPEAKER_02]: I think we did at least twice, if not three times.
[SPEAKER_02]: One year we did it with Iron Maiden so we would see their plane at the airport all the time.
[SPEAKER_02]: That was really cool.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, we did that one too.
[SPEAKER_00]: It was like the three of us on, or the two of us, or I guess Iron Maiden two.
[SPEAKER_00]: So the three of us.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, we didn't quite get the invite.
[SPEAKER_02]: We're probably next in line.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, exactly.
[SPEAKER_00]: I was waiting for the kid.
[SPEAKER_00]: His son's band was on the tour.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I remember kissing up to that kid pretty hard at a party.
[SPEAKER_00]: And again, it'd be pretty cool to see the plane sometime.
[SPEAKER_01]: Now, I remember once I just, you know, I remember how all the bands would fly together.
[SPEAKER_01]: And so, if there was the one flight from like, Adelaide to Melbourne, which was like a 25 minute flight.
[SPEAKER_01]: So, like, all the bands were in coach and slash with people being funded at first, last group of 20 minute flight.
[SPEAKER_00]: there was one time we did the tour and this is like in a different time for fucked up when we were riding much higher on the hog than we are currently but we had we had racked up enough points that we were we had like lounge status at all the lounges we were hitting up on the on the tour and we go to the lounge and it would just be us haily from paramour Billy Corgan was a very deep
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, we didn't belong.
[SPEAKER_00]: We should have known at that time of the writing was on the wall for old fucked up.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm like you guys, like I feel like terror going strength to strength.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like it seems like you guys are are bigger than ever.
[SPEAKER_00]: I would say judging from the fact that I saw a guy in your sweatshirt tonight at two for one pizza at the end of my street.
[SPEAKER_00]: If I see you wearing your shirt at the two for one at the corner of Dufferin and Davenport, you know, that's like, you made it.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's like star on the Hollywood block of fame level.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, pizza, like, and we always argue with each other.
[SPEAKER_01]: He doesn't believe me.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's Ronald has good pizza.
[SPEAKER_01]: He'll wait, I didn't say that.
[SPEAKER_02]: You say Toronto has better pizza than Buffalo that can't be true.
[SPEAKER_02]: I think it might be.
[SPEAKER_02]: No, Buffalo's known for pizza.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, yeah, Buffalo does have pretty spectacular pizza.
[SPEAKER_00]: Thank you.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like Italian food in Buffalo,
[SPEAKER_00]: is pretty world renowned.
[SPEAKER_00]: I've come to realize like Buffalo, Jordan.
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know like for you growing up I always had a special place for it because obviously like we watched like American TV up here but in recent years I've like fallen in love with Buffalo like and I and I can't go there.
[SPEAKER_01]: Hey, I like, but it's gone a lot better every time we go back.
[SPEAKER_01]: It feels like there's more stuff to do there.
[SPEAKER_00]: And there's all this like cool hidden history.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like did you know that 10,000 maniacs, cannibal corpse, the Google dolls and zero tolerance all hung out together?
[SPEAKER_01]: He would, I wouldn't know that, but that's pretty cool.
[SPEAKER_02]: Sounds pretty awesome.
[SPEAKER_00]: Back it up, Scott, that's true, right?
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I'm going with it, yes.
[SPEAKER_02]: See, it's the best throw some more in there.
[SPEAKER_02]: Like James was probably at the party, too.
[SPEAKER_00]: Do you think?
[SPEAKER_00]: Marceiro Tolerance and Rick James were ever at the same party?
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, judging by some other history, yes, I hope I think so.
[SPEAKER_02]: I think it's simpler things.
[SPEAKER_00]: Some members of zero tolerance.
[SPEAKER_02]: They could definitely be set for the singer of zero tolerance.
[SPEAKER_02]: Was that our show like five days ago?
[SPEAKER_02]: That was amazing.
[SPEAKER_00]: They are a band that, uh, oh, wait, wait, can I interrupt you?
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, yeah, go on.
[SPEAKER_02]: I had on the left of me, the singer of zero tolerance, on the right of me, the drummer of Manic Depression,
[SPEAKER_00]: Damn, and stuck in the middle where you in the middle of the Buffalo history timeline.
[SPEAKER_01]: Dude, as we played somewhere a couple months ago, like this slide in Toledo, and I guess it was like a classic venue and that like a lot of cool flyers on the wall and there was one that was Google dolls, dope boys, and SNFU.
[SPEAKER_01]: And then you said, like, you might have even been at that show.
[SPEAKER_01]: It was like, it was at a college or something.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's a pretty cool phone.
[SPEAKER_02]: That was in Baltimore.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: I think it was at a university, university, Plaza, not a college, but I read across from a UV and I was there.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, because you remember at full blast they had the flyer for the Necro's Soul-Side Google Doll Show?
[SPEAKER_00]: Probably, probably not.
[SPEAKER_02]: It was at the wrong key.
[SPEAKER_02]: Get kind of punky.
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, man.
[SPEAKER_00]: I feel like you once got you won the war hardcore as now successfully divorced itself from punk.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'll clean the fifth year out of trying to keep our fanship high.
[SPEAKER_02]: My brother sent me a picture the other day of me wearing a social distortion shirt.
[SPEAKER_02]: So
[SPEAKER_02]: there is some proof out there proof of life.
[SPEAKER_00]: I know we we've we've we've uncovered your secret punk rock phase on this board to involve drones.
[SPEAKER_02]: of the manufacturing, that's the baitable.
[SPEAKER_00]: We know we know Scott about your involvement with this band and their demo.
[SPEAKER_00]: What is that?
[SPEAKER_00]: What's that called?
[SPEAKER_00]: The manic depression demo.
[SPEAKER_00]: This is, it's a wonder we aren't all screaming like madmen in our sleep.
[SPEAKER_02]: The only one I really know is the probably the first one called nuclear winter.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's when my old band would hang out with those guys a lot.
[SPEAKER_02]: Were they like a great punk?
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, oh, yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, check out the cover, man.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's got like a guy with charged hair getting stabbed in the face by society.
[SPEAKER_00]: He's a society.
[SPEAKER_02]: There were three mohawks up front and the drummer was straight at like, very typical straight edge and quit to be an up front.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's sick.
[SPEAKER_02]: And that's he was there the other day.
[SPEAKER_01]: There's a, well, there's a Connecticut right?
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I think you moved to Connecticut or something.
[SPEAKER_00]: There's a lot of crazy drummers out of Buffalo, Buffalo Hardcore from that area.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I'm one of those crazy.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, no, I was going to say Scott.
[SPEAKER_01]: Hey, the first time I heard the fade away shit, I was impressed.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: He's got to go back behind it.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, because you probably heard the stuff I didn't play on.
[SPEAKER_02]: No, man, they were good.
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, Scott, do you still have beef with Dave last over the fade away two line filler split artwork?
[SPEAKER_02]: No, that was in my band, so I was just along for the ride.
[SPEAKER_00]: I recently heard that certain members of fade away are still really pissed.
[SPEAKER_02]: My memory says I don't remember any of them.
[SPEAKER_02]: Anyway, it's the thing like the test, testicle explosion, that thing.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, where it's, so the two line filler fade away split put out by Dave last.
[SPEAKER_00]: uh... who put out the gojiro seven inch and put out jones bands first seven inch two i think but he was convinced by Simon Harvey at the last minute to swap out the two line filler artwork four testicle explosion artwork instead and it like i want to line filler out my thought was really good i think two line fillers fucking amazing like there is a lot of great songs that they put out a lot of great records actually they put out
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I don't think anyone is as far as I can remember and that doesn't say much.
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't think anyone cared.
[SPEAKER_00]: What was the first time you met Scott George?
[SPEAKER_01]: Shit, I think he wouldn't work that way.
[SPEAKER_01]: But I'm trying to think maybe like properly when that's when it's we're open up for a period of life, like one day.
[SPEAKER_02]: This is an infamous show when we were playing bat.
[SPEAKER_02]: I was playing basketball at the, was the place home.
[SPEAKER_02]: It was like a, the youth center or whatever.
[SPEAKER_01]: And he claims I was like elbowing children in the face.
[SPEAKER_01]: Because we were all playing.
[SPEAKER_01]: Because everyone was playing.
[SPEAKER_01]: I remember.
[SPEAKER_01]: So we were all like 15, 16 years old.
[SPEAKER_01]: You probably weren't able to build the kids.
[SPEAKER_01]: There were like 10 year olds, younger than not playing too.
[SPEAKER_01]: And that's when I saw someone.
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, it was like, like, um, uh, step-rothers.
[SPEAKER_02]: They're a broken hand too, I think.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I want to break the other one on a child.
[SPEAKER_01]: But that probably I think would have been the first time, like, formally meeting and shit, but then he'd always come up to shows since we're on all the time.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I told Scott last time that between despair and buried alive, they felt like they were our big band for our core bands during that type of an intronome.
[SPEAKER_01]: I just missed the cusp with despair because I remember new.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, like I was, I'd want to, do you remember Tammy and what was like, they played New Year's like down one of the album, a couple of New Year's shows.
[SPEAKER_01]: So yeah, I've never been here.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm scared of what one of your last shows too.
[SPEAKER_01]: I remember, but I can't remember, I don't think, because Gil, the hard edge, he was the only guy I knew to go to shows with.
[SPEAKER_01]: And he wasn't in town, so I was like 15 or something.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm like, I'm not going to, to a show by myself.
[SPEAKER_01]: Looks like you scared.
[SPEAKER_00]: I thought that was during as we once were era, but that was before you remember where it was late 98 early 99.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, no, no, no.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, no, 98.
[SPEAKER_01]: 98.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, because it was New Year's Fest 97 into 98.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think, right?
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: Because I've to grade play that show, too.
[SPEAKER_00]: I was trying to remember who played that show with you.
[SPEAKER_01]: No, that was the next year with Barry D'Live.
[SPEAKER_01]: The one that four punch was supposed to play.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, get high played.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, get high, Boston.
[SPEAKER_00]: Nice.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it was Barry D'Live.
[SPEAKER_01]: Great, get high, the swarm, I think.
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't want to do this one player to this warm play downstairs of their first show that year was that the year before.
[SPEAKER_00]: No, I remember being the upstairs, I'm all.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's crazy because there's one year endeavour played and I was at that one in Hamilton, Sonic Union.
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, that wasn't, they did the Alma combo too.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and Pete Wentz was on base.
[SPEAKER_01]: for endeavor.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, are you thinking extinction?
[SPEAKER_01]: Which was Chicago?
[SPEAKER_00]: Extinction.
[SPEAKER_01]: Exchange one of those shows.
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, I think an extinction.
[SPEAKER_01]: You're right.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: You're right.
[SPEAKER_00]: And Debra played one of those fast, too, or maybe they cancel one of those fasts.
[SPEAKER_02]: Jordan just pulled your core card.
[SPEAKER_02]: I like it.
[SPEAKER_02]: Did he got me?
[SPEAKER_02]: Jordan knows that season for your Chicago shit.
[SPEAKER_02]: I bet seven.
[SPEAKER_00]: We met, though, which we talked about on the last show in line for the Sick of It All Striped Show.
[SPEAKER_01]: Right.
[SPEAKER_00]: You do?
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: And you had a very shiny silver self-pull jacket on.
[SPEAKER_00]: It wasn't self-pull.
[SPEAKER_00]: It was some other weird-ass random company that I bought at winners, but self-pulled definitely made.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: Super silver.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: I looked like a chromeed out Michelin man, probably.
[SPEAKER_00]: And and George was super stoned.
[SPEAKER_00]: That was what you got a super stoned.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, yeah, I was stoned and drugs and along to every strike clear.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and I was front row and like I told the strike guys, there's probably multiple times.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm just screaming along and gumming my mouth.
[SPEAKER_01]: My gum went flying right into Rick Rodden's face.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it was, I remember watching you on stage being like, my God, that guy's like the biggest strife in the world, like you knew every single lyric, I think I remember getting on stage at one point.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like me.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think it was such a small venue I got pushed and I had nowhere to go, so I kind of have the crash and the problem or something.
[SPEAKER_01]: Is this free in this defiance or post in this defiance of both albums, right?
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, it goes that distance in this defines it's pretty fucking awesome.
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, it's sick.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, they were, they were awesome.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like that, that era, like going back to the California take over live period of those being like the big three on victory, all three earth crisis snap case and strikes in a completely different, but we're all like super
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, definitely a cool time to be a straight edge kid.
[SPEAKER_02]: What's that case of the straight edge man?
[SPEAKER_02]: Like, I think they're all straight edge, but did they?
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't think they claimed to have a victory definitely marketed them.
[SPEAKER_00]: Where's that?
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, definitely that stuff though, or anything.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's some of them did early.
[SPEAKER_02]: I think they were all, definitely.
[SPEAKER_02]: I bet Tim asked up sometimes and maybe Bob will tell it, but yeah, yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: But then there was Scott, the dark side of the force.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_02]: And Jordan, let's get a saying.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I like them stoned in drunk singing along.
[SPEAKER_02]: Is it right?
[SPEAKER_02]: Probably didn't the next day in Buffalo.
[SPEAKER_02]: It was the same.
[SPEAKER_01]: Hey, I joined a straight edgy group and then they had to stop if I showed up to rehearsal smoking cigarettes.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, that was like a huge bum out to me as a straight edge kid back because it was like an all or nothing rule for straight edge bands it felt like during that era.
[SPEAKER_00]: But now I'm blowing weed smoking your face when you answer the zoom called George so how the shoe is on the other foot you were right back that man.
[SPEAKER_00]: He messed out all those years, man.
[SPEAKER_00]: Now you're counting on me.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's good.
[SPEAKER_00]: Take those silver years while you can.
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, I wanted to ask you Scott, like I was thinking about this.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like let's say, because like, you know, it's awesome right now with terror, because obviously you guys have been together for a long time.
[SPEAKER_00]: The ban has organically grown through kind of hard work and touring to the point you guys are at.
[SPEAKER_00]: But you're mostly sober now versus other times in your career where you were like,
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, if success had come during one of those times, it probably would have ended badly for you, I think.
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, I would say tears doing great right now, but it's not that much different than it was.
[SPEAKER_02]: We have about the same luxuries as we did then.
[SPEAKER_02]: We're a little more comfortable, but, yeah, I think I was going to self-destruct
[SPEAKER_02]: ability then that I have now but maybe the good thing is I can enjoy the little bit of extra comfort we have right now and the light.
[SPEAKER_02]: saving a couple hundred dollars a week on alcohol and buying people alcohol and buying a pizza every night getting getting a pizza Uber at 2 a.m. can come to like 50 bucks and then by the time it shows up your past hours or somebody else eats it like, I get those little bonuses now.
[SPEAKER_00]: So can you eat before you sing?
[SPEAKER_02]: I try to eat at like four o'clock let's say we play at nine I try to eat it like four so I'm a little lighter on stage and maybe I can get the food out of me before we play like link of it to our base player he'll fucking rip a burrito 20 minutes before play I cannot do that I try to get it done early
[SPEAKER_02]: and then play, and then a little white snack, boom, it's some sweet said night with that bag.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, last night I had about, I kept getting up out of my, we're on a bandwagon, so that's nice.
[SPEAKER_02]: I kept getting out of my bond.
[SPEAKER_02]: I kept closing my curtains thing was over, but I had this bag of licorice, and then kept calling me.
[SPEAKER_02]: So I kept getting up probably three trips of five sticks
[SPEAKER_02]: ropes, whatever pieces of licorice.
[SPEAKER_02]: So 15 by the end of the day, whatever.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, that's a lot better for you.
[SPEAKER_00]: They're probably less sugar in that than there is in like.
[SPEAKER_00]: Bob, Bob, yeah, Bob, Bob, yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, but you were like pretty fucked up even in the early years of terror.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like even on that soundwave tour that we were talking about like drinking wise and things like that.
[SPEAKER_00]: So, you know, I feel like this is probably like,
[SPEAKER_00]: couldn't come at a better time for you, finding this sort of like mere sobriety.
[SPEAKER_02]: I would say, Sarah started in 2002.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'd say about 2005 to 2020.
[SPEAKER_02]: It was, well, I'd always go home and not drink.
[SPEAKER_02]: I wasn't like the person that drank it home before in my room, but on tour it was every night.
[SPEAKER_02]: five days a week, drunk, drunk, two days a week, blackout, where doing something stupid, whether it was funny or not funny at all, blackout, yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: But yeah, I mean, I don't want to come off as like, Mr. Militans straight edge, anti-drinking, because people can do whatever they want, I'm for anyone.
[SPEAKER_02]: But for me,
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm so much happier, I have so much more energy I'm in such a better mood.
[SPEAKER_02]: I used to just being a bad mood and have a temper and be sweaty and just mad and just everything sucks, every.
[SPEAKER_02]: You just sleep in as long as possible, get up and just try to eat to like drown the alcohol.
[SPEAKER_02]: The only thing you can do is start drinking and then to get through it is just this vicious cycle and I was just always grouchy and mad.
[SPEAKER_02]: And now I'm just like,
[SPEAKER_02]: My fucking addiction's now are walking, cleaning the bandwagon, getting haircuts, doing my laundry.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's literally all I do every day.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I'm like, rich.
[SPEAKER_01]: Now the sweets don't have more than liquor, I'm just sure.
[SPEAKER_01]: He'll bring every morning, I'm not every morning, but often he'll come back with like, donuts and cookies and wake of it.
[SPEAKER_01]: We'll be misery.
[SPEAKER_01]: A lot has come up in the ONG.
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, you and me, we've been friends since like the time we're talking about back in the 90s.
[SPEAKER_00]: But I really feel like we got close after no warning when you were kind of like after surplus sons.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like when you were out of surplus sons.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I was only in five seconds not about that.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, no, well, that's when that's when we started millennial rain.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, we would go for lunch all the time.
[SPEAKER_00]: We go for Korean barbecue all the time and just like hang out together and just talk about integrity and millennial rain was kind of born out of that period, but it felt like.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like were you out at that point or did you always knew or know that you were going to try and find a way back in a music?
[SPEAKER_01]: It's in some way or another, but at that time, like I had no idea, like I was living kind of,
[SPEAKER_01]: normal life like I was working at a hotel of teaching like kids guitar lessons and everything really yeah know that and I don't like obviously well that's why at least it was something into when we started that band but it was obviously just for fun right but and you were like that's when fucked up or kind of popping off so I knew it was just kind of like a side project thing but then
[SPEAKER_01]: when the plan is aligned with Terry again at that point, I was ready.
[SPEAKER_02]: How many times do we ask you to be here?
[SPEAKER_02]: At least two or three times.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think three times.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Really?
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't give up, baby.
[SPEAKER_01]: Got to have it.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, I remember it's trying.
[SPEAKER_01]: What's up?
[SPEAKER_01]: No, give you to the first time Scott hit me up, I think it was when busky left.
[SPEAKER_01]: And it was right when no warning broke up by two entities.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: And so at that point, even like I was just like getting over no warning breaking up.
[SPEAKER_01]: So I'm like, I'm not ready to do this.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like my life is weird right now and shit.
[SPEAKER_01]: And then I think like a year or two later Scott hit me up again
[SPEAKER_01]: When Frank left, and I was kind of on the fence, like I remember, you sent me in the fan's copy of always the hard way to learn the songs.
[SPEAKER_01]: But like, there wasn't like communication, or I was kind of on the fence, like I probably wasn't giving him a straight answer, who took that Martin Martin.
[SPEAKER_01]: And then,
[SPEAKER_01]: Another year went by and then Doug left and Scott gave me up again.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm like, this has, this has got to be for a reason.
[SPEAKER_01]: And like, I was like, I got to get out of fucking Toronto and get back on the road.
[SPEAKER_02]: What's it been now 17 years?
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's a lot.
[SPEAKER_01]: Don't go back.
[SPEAKER_01]: Way to 2008.
[SPEAKER_01]: I went down to Buffalo when they were on tour.
[SPEAKER_01]: And we rehearsed like at that skate.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, the show was at the skate park.
[SPEAKER_01]: And it was like this upstairs process.
[SPEAKER_01]: And we just jumped.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: And then I think joins like two months old played my first show, but two months later like maximum pedal we did like a quick run all in the snow and stuff.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, that was drunk.
[SPEAKER_00]: I remember sitting in your car one time before we went in for lunch.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I guess it was you have been asked to play base for this time and you were like, I don't know if I want to play base and terror and I'm like,
[SPEAKER_00]: It just made so much sense when it came together and finally happened and you joined terror because it, yeah, it felt like, and I feel like having Jordan the band Scott, like you guys became like roommates, right?
[SPEAKER_00]: Almost right away.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, like roommates in a, in a frat house, like what do you, like just dudes everywhere?
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, living in a fan, that's when we were like,
[SPEAKER_02]: sleep on the floors of the vans drive over.
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, you know, that was just like we would get hotels when when we were able to, but a lot of those drives were just like 13 hours.
[SPEAKER_02]: Luckily, Nick Jet just loves to drive.
[SPEAKER_02]: So he would always drive, but like he'd sleep on the floor, what someone over you.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'd sleep on the floor.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's fucking insane.
[SPEAKER_00]: But when we were in Australia, you guys were roommates.
[SPEAKER_01]: I can't remember, like we kind of would split, like if we get two hotel rooms, I think, like you wouldn't mark them in our team and make rooms for a while, but we kind of switch a bunch.
[SPEAKER_01]: It would also maybe depend who's out drinking and then we all, the drinkers would come back and share a room or something.
[SPEAKER_00]: But then I also have a memory on the power trip tour.
[SPEAKER_00]: of with a code orange kids back then and all of us that you guys were bunking together too and try each other nuts in like a little brother big brother kind of way.
[SPEAKER_02]: The crazy thing is all those lineup changes.
[SPEAKER_02]: But once we got Jordan and David Wood, that lineup was held on like eight years maybe.
[SPEAKER_02]: Let's say eight
[SPEAKER_02]: Link of it's just been home.
[SPEAKER_02]: So we've had, like if it's just all we'll spend in the van for one year.
[SPEAKER_02]: Jordan joined, we've had one lineup change in like 15 years, 17 years, one person like it.
[SPEAKER_02]: So, early years, it was like a fucking tornado.
[SPEAKER_02]: Then it now it's been, we gotta shake something up.
[SPEAKER_02]: Someone's gotta go.
[SPEAKER_00]: Maybe me.
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, this will maybe this question will do it.
[SPEAKER_00]: Who's the most insanely singer that you've worked with,
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, nice.
[SPEAKER_02]: I like that talk.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, Scott.
[SPEAKER_00]: Scott can be in the picture, too.
[SPEAKER_01]: I worked with her that I know that I'm friends with.
[SPEAKER_02]: No, you worked with the running.
[SPEAKER_02]: Just me and Ben.
[SPEAKER_02]: No, me and Scott there and Scott and Vanity.
[SPEAKER_01]: But how you were a band was it?
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, no.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, so you're talking just being in it.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, I've only been in like two bands.
[SPEAKER_00]: No, millennial rain and then you're in the band was Scott that like got together and never really did much.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, let's get a bearer, no, it's just not our answer, no more.
[SPEAKER_02]: Okay, but if you, if you put Ben less crazy than him, we got to be.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's hard to see.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's guys, we found his deck.
[SPEAKER_02]: You guys, we're in Scott's belly out over the years.
[SPEAKER_01]: He's alive, but it's two different categories of insanity.
[SPEAKER_01]: So it's hard.
[SPEAKER_01]: I can't give him the question.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's a different ballpark, but it's a, it's lead singers.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's like asking me who's crazy or Jordan or find three guns.
[SPEAKER_02]: They're both fucking insane, but it's different ways.
[SPEAKER_00]: I can't imagine phrase.
[SPEAKER_02]: Or Todd.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: Todd hated my vocals in millennial rain and everybody.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I remember he told me I love that.
[SPEAKER_01]: He's just honest.
[SPEAKER_01]: He just should excuse her.
[SPEAKER_00]: No, he told you and you told me.
[SPEAKER_01]: What?
[SPEAKER_01]: No, I don't remember.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, because I remember even back then, we would still keep in touch and send each other.
[SPEAKER_01]: Dad, so maybe I just sent him the demos that we did like rough shit until it wasn't like promptly recorded.
[SPEAKER_01]: Maybe it was like the sucks.
[SPEAKER_00]: I found you guys always had like a kind of competitive back and forth with each other.
[SPEAKER_01]: No, it was more just like a mutual respect where we kind of were just like push each other.
[SPEAKER_01]: Can I hijack the podcast?
[SPEAKER_02]: I think who's crazier meter bench?
[SPEAKER_01]: Stay it.
[SPEAKER_01]: I clean the fist.
[SPEAKER_01]: Come on.
[SPEAKER_01]: Giving a diplomatic.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm your option.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm your out.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'll take the pen.
[SPEAKER_00]: You can say me.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'll say you just to make it easier.
[SPEAKER_00]: I wasn't saying during that period, too.
[SPEAKER_00]: So yeah, it was a weird time.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like that was a weird time, I guess, for all of us during that era.
[SPEAKER_00]: We're all better for it now.
[SPEAKER_00]: They were all in better places these days.
[SPEAKER_00]: feel like a weird point for you, Scott, having been someone that is cheered for hardcore to be in this place that it's in right now, where it's like so many people love it.
[SPEAKER_00]: Do you still, like, is it a bit of sweet thing for you at this point or are you stoked?
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean,
[SPEAKER_02]: It depends on how I approach it.
[SPEAKER_02]: I could easily look at it for all the beautiful things that being more popular, being more, I'll stay mainstream, but I don't say, of course, mainstream.
[SPEAKER_02]: There's a lot of beautiful things that come along with that.
[SPEAKER_02]: And it's great.
[SPEAKER_02]: And it exposes kids need this.
[SPEAKER_02]: And you can also look at it.
[SPEAKER_02]: the other way.
[SPEAKER_02]: There is some, like, how many people are looking at lyric sheets?
[SPEAKER_02]: How many people see this as more than music, you know?
[SPEAKER_02]: And how many people are going to stick around?
[SPEAKER_02]: But, um, I mean, all in all, it's always had ebbs and flows ups and downs, people coming people going.
[SPEAKER_02]: I think right now it's just, I mean, I got to just try to lean into the good.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's pretty cool.
[SPEAKER_02]: mean we're on a tour right now with with great bands start today and it paint a truth the shows have all been great the bands are all great everyone's just laughing and having fun so I'd have to be a real grinch to really look for the bad because but you're saying tears tears doing great right now so what do I have to complain about we've been a ban for twenty three years just to be able to still do this and have like
[SPEAKER_02]: I hate this word, but like a fan base and be able to put out records, it's a lot work.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's a lot of grind and we all give up a lot in in in work hard at it, but we're really lucky.
[SPEAKER_02]: So mentally, I got to lean into the good stuff.
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, you say it's not mainstream, but Jordan, do you have you seen this clip the other day on CP24, the Canadian morning news show
[SPEAKER_00]: They ricked the temp, uh, Rick Campanelli, that was talking to, and I can't remember her name, but another one of the anchors, and she started talking to her boyfriend as gotten her into hardcore, and she's super into hardcore these days, because she's into turnstile now.
[SPEAKER_00]: Wow.
[SPEAKER_00]: And then Rick Campanelli goes, Oh, hardcore.
[SPEAKER_00]: You mean, like, hapebreed.
[SPEAKER_01]: I did see a clip on that quickly.
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, just on Instagram, which was fine.
[SPEAKER_01]: Cause I remember when him and Strongbow came to that April show.
[SPEAKER_00]: Exactly.
[SPEAKER_00]: I was going to say the reason you hapebreed for us because you guys must just shit out of them.
[SPEAKER_01]: And then he was like, No, we did say he, you was like, it was a dare, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: They're like, we're going to the hardcore show.
[SPEAKER_01]: and Rick's gonna stage side and I remember him interviewing like Jamie and stuff and he said so what should I expect from coming to one of your chosen Jamie's just like injuries?
[SPEAKER_00]: I think you're forgetting the best part which is at one point.
[SPEAKER_00]: Strombo is setting Rick up for what to expect in the mosh pit.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I thought it was you through Caleb Cooper, into Rick and George Strombo on camera, knocking him out of frame.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, this is amazing.
[SPEAKER_01]: Except that I knew you were fucking little rats and everything, and we were trying to, like, you know, with the fucker that much music guys doing here, and we were just like, you know, fucking with them, and they definitely edited it.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's make us look like even bigger idiots, but,
[SPEAKER_00]: And it was talks about on the much on-demand episode afterwards too.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's like, Trombo brought it up and tried to be how they got a costume of the show by this band.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I always felt bad about that whenever I bump into George over the years.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'd be like, yeah, sorry, we were just little assholes back then.
[SPEAKER_01]: And he's a T-shirt.
[SPEAKER_00]: Who was the best mosherscott back in the day in Buffalo?
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, I'll say this.
[SPEAKER_02]: There was some good moshers, but when light trance came to Buffalo from Troy, he showed us to all what was up.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I, I was immediately like, I got to become friends with this guy right away, because this guy could do something.
[SPEAKER_01]: ever seen this guy because all be honest when Buffalo would come to Toronto with like Buffalo bands, the rep from them, they must have shit out of everybody.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's why I'm giving him that.
[SPEAKER_01]: But then I went to where my rotters go in Buffalo once and like all the tougher Buffalo guys were in Washington out of nowhere.
[SPEAKER_01]: Mike Trans came and just wrecked everyone.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, who is this guy?
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm supposed to always destroy.
[SPEAKER_01]: Check that.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, Toronto was like really behind in the moshy, yeah, it was fair until that April show.
[SPEAKER_00]: It was that in April, no warning show.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, the moshy game of Toronto.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, somewhat.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, someone, yeah, it was never really had like harder, like at least for that time.
[SPEAKER_01]: There wasn't ever really like harder moshy bands that weren't that a quarter, whatever, you know.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I guess there were like, and it was also like that kind of hardcore was just like not that popular at that time like, you know, I think we talked about last time that that all that war blood for blood.
[SPEAKER_00]: stigma to show.
[SPEAKER_01]: I remade that one either, because again, that was like 97.
[SPEAKER_01]: I was young as fuck, and I can only rely on killed Dakota Showsler.
[SPEAKER_01]: There are members knowing about that show.
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't even think I even knew really about stigma to them, but I was definitely a love for blood, no, I wore them.
[SPEAKER_00]: No, it was double-booked with a promissory and grade show.
[SPEAKER_01]: So, it's up to the camera's tail stickers.
[SPEAKER_00]: Two streams.
[SPEAKER_00]: Wow.
[SPEAKER_00]: No, and it was worse.
[SPEAKER_00]: They were booked in the same room, so they made the stigma to show happened at two o'clock in the afternoon.
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh.
[SPEAKER_00]: So everyone was gone.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I feel like that was probably the only time to stick out ever made it to Swallow, right?
[SPEAKER_00]: I think so, blood for blood had come up a few times, so they would play the 360.
[SPEAKER_00]: as well.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like it's on the 360 before that.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think all at war came another time played the 360.
[SPEAKER_00]: But I think that was sigma.
[SPEAKER_00]: It was like never fucking again.
[SPEAKER_00]: Did you guys play the 360 ever?
[SPEAKER_00]: No, you got you have 360, but you guys played.
[SPEAKER_00]: You never played close Shanghai Scott, right?
[SPEAKER_00]: With the spare Barry to live.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm not so good at this.
[SPEAKER_01]: Club Shanghai does not sound familiar 360 club does.
[SPEAKER_01]: That was the first time I think I saw.
[SPEAKER_01]: No,
[SPEAKER_00]: Barry, and then there was, was that the one with like, no, there's Elliott Barry to live with.
[SPEAKER_00]: That was like a lot of people for something.
[SPEAKER_01]: And how a lot of music?
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, that, but that was like, that was at the reverb, or the cathedral reverb.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think there was like, was there the swarm Barry to live in Elliott one time?
[SPEAKER_01]: I hope so.
[SPEAKER_01]: That sounds like a good show.
[SPEAKER_01]: No, but if the show he started, it was how a lot of music Elliott in Barry to live.
[SPEAKER_01]: Who did Elliott with the 360 then?
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't remember going to that show with Gil and Matt White from two lines fill it.
[SPEAKER_01]: How'd you do Matt White?
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, and Chris Laura, because me and Gil were at rotate this, and we met them there just like whatever started talking, and they're like, yeah, there's a, and we knew about Elliot, and then they're just like, yeah, we're going to show what's meet up, some random, and just went to an Elliot show.
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't remember who played that show.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's wild how many people we knew that wound up in bands kind of like lifers involved in this music or like you know like in the same with you Scott we're talking about buffalo people.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's just like what a cool scene to be a part of that there's like people that went on to do so many interesting things in the arts and in other places like it just feels like it was such an inspired place to be a young person.
[SPEAKER_02]: Even outside of music, people have just done so many things.
[SPEAKER_02]: There's like hardcore kids everywhere doing everything now.
[SPEAKER_02]: Just great.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'd say Maddie Mathsons, one of the most famous people in the world.
[SPEAKER_02]: No.
[SPEAKER_00]: We just saw him.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, we're just hanging out.
[SPEAKER_02]: Last week or something, Vegas.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, I mean, for that, you should have mentioned that.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like, if we ended up at the end of the night, we've met Madden, you know, a couple other people.
[SPEAKER_01]: And then, for randomly, all the COC guys were just hanging out.
[SPEAKER_01]: So, like, we all ended up hanging out with them for, like, to be hours after the show.
[SPEAKER_00]: Random fucking, you know, group of people.
[SPEAKER_00]: But, was it a faster, you guys just all there playing shows at any time?
[SPEAKER_00]: Big fast.
[SPEAKER_02]: Sick new world.
[SPEAKER_02]: I was in bed being fucking hard-line.
[SPEAKER_02]: But I got a report that Jordan was running the show.
[SPEAKER_02]: He was running the after party.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, George.
[SPEAKER_02]: Basically, yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm a little hungry over today, too.
[SPEAKER_01]: It was a week.
[SPEAKER_01]: See, I had a whole.
[SPEAKER_00]: Sam Scott, what have you done to board Jordan?
[SPEAKER_01]: Hey, all right.
[SPEAKER_01]: Dallas.
[SPEAKER_02]: I think it's yours by that example.
[SPEAKER_02]: I like your podcast when you talk about RAID.
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Gordon was asking me yesterday of RAID has hard riffs.
[SPEAKER_02]: Is that all right?
[SPEAKER_01]: What is yours?
[SPEAKER_01]: What is your bad question?
[SPEAKER_01]: Hard plan.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'll have to go back and check for riffs.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, they're, they're, they're one of those bands that every time you go back and listen, you're like damn, this is so hard.
[SPEAKER_00]: They had a Red Hot Chili Pepper sounding LP that never came out.
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't, I don't want to know about this.
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't want to hear that.
[SPEAKER_00]: Maybe the riff's on that.
[SPEAKER_00]: I have, have you read the unauthorized history of hard-line book?
[SPEAKER_00]: It came out.
[SPEAKER_02]: I bought it with the intent to read it, but I don't read.
[SPEAKER_02]: So it just sits there without, I got like, Victor Carlos book, I got that book, and I buy the books, but they just sit there because I'm dumb.
[SPEAKER_00]: George, you should read it to Scott in the van.
[SPEAKER_00]: The pan-wagon.
[SPEAKER_01]: That time stories.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's amazing.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's got a photo of Pete once his hard-line back piece tattoo.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, a whole hard-line thing and it's like the earth thing to be it would be what would some people refer to as a tramp stamp kind of position.
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_00]: All right.
[SPEAKER_02]: That earth that earth logo that vegan right the vegan right seven inches not for me, but the cassette rap of the gods is so good.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's like literally so good.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, the seven inch the CD has all of all because there's like a demo another demo to right like a straight youth cademo.
[SPEAKER_02]: I just know that the seven inch that has the hardline logo, I didn't love and then I got the cassette in it.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's amazing.
[SPEAKER_02]: Subject change, but similar, Dan Gump from excessive force was at our show in Salt Lake City like a couple of days ago.
[SPEAKER_00]: So, Dan, what a great world we're in.
[SPEAKER_00]: I like how at this point, they're like,
[SPEAKER_00]: everyone who's around is kind of cool, you know everyone's kind of mellowed out and you're just like, wow, we're all existing in the same time.
[SPEAKER_00]: I never thought of that, but you're right at different times like, you know, we live in a world now where there's a scarhead integrity split.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's very true.
[SPEAKER_01]: I like the artwork though, they had like the scar of her feet over the skull and everything.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it was to me that coming out was like, oh, there can be peace achieved anywhere in the world.
[SPEAKER_00]: If this, if this piece could happen, it can happen anywhere.
[SPEAKER_00]: We just need to follow in the footsteps of these bands, but I like,
[SPEAKER_00]: Also like all these chores that are happening with these bands that at one time I imagine couldn't stand each other and I think now everyone's just like which is co-exist and Be together It's like we finally achieved it.
[SPEAKER_00]: We finally achieved the seniority that punk rock prophesized Scott that you fought so fucking hard against Is Is groundwork from Arizona?
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, when despair
[SPEAKER_02]: toward with hatred, we played the Nile, which is still of any rest of play.
[SPEAKER_02]: I clearly remember being in that alleyway and hate-breed and groundwork were having it to be like a, I wouldn't say an argument, but it allowed debate on, they groundwork was probably saying hate-breeds to jock or metal to be hardcore.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's like two opposites, but like just,
[SPEAKER_02]: what we're saying now like it's cool that everyone gets along.
[SPEAKER_02]: It was also cool like its air accused when there was like in between stats that would just be like debased with breakout and like arguments and like all that stuff.
[SPEAKER_02]: So now it's more peaceful but that youthful, combativeness was kind of cool too.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm glad hatred had the debating side because I was to just as podcast a couple of weeks ago
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, what about the time you guys and you know can't have that like issue and he's like, yeah, yeah, sometimes we had to punch friends, yeah, physical debates.
[SPEAKER_00]: Sometimes you got hatred that a debate team, sometimes you got hatred the wrestling team, so while that it was so small back then, like there was like 15 people, I'm sure it's some of these shows 50 people and some of these shows.
[SPEAKER_00]: God, like some of these Toronto shows, do you remember like in the basement with like what three people that's where these places?
[SPEAKER_01]: It's one that also never had like
[SPEAKER_01]: And now it's been not existing as far as, like, good mid-sized venues for smaller shows.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's either 1,500 cap or 1,100.
[SPEAKER_01]: There's like all the in-between clubs that either have been like bought out by live nation or they just shut down and shit.
[SPEAKER_01]: But I don't know.
[SPEAKER_01]: The biggest show since Toronto, like, who would be the biggest bands?
[SPEAKER_01]: Do you remember, like, the biggest shows, our core shows since Toronto back then?
[SPEAKER_00]: they would be like 600 people and most right yeah but even like before that like unless we're talking about that secret all show or yeah or like maybe good written shows or a f i type shows yeah if you like lucky themselves yeah we like if there's 20 people 15 people some of these shows like like shy elude played here at basement who's Emma i was at that so and that was packed right but that was like that was what 50 people it was packed let's crit us play the basement who's Emma and that was
[SPEAKER_00]: packed but once again like how many people was that it wasn't till my warning that Toronto no warning was our zero tolerance what but zero tolerance was to Buffalo no warning was to Toronto for hardcore.
[SPEAKER_00]: Thank you.
[SPEAKER_00]: What an amazing band unbelievable.
[SPEAKER_00]: But that's when it started.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like that's hardcore.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's when hardcore shows started getting bigger.
[SPEAKER_00]: It was like teeny tiny.
[SPEAKER_00]: would hockey teeth would have been the band before that.
[SPEAKER_00]: Right.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: When I first started coming over the border for shows, it would always be to Hamilton.
[SPEAKER_02]: Like, I would go to Hamilton shows way more than Toronto.
[SPEAKER_02]: Like, I know I saw Matt Ball played a free show like a roadrunner show.
[SPEAKER_02]: I came to that for Toronto, but I would just go to Hamilton for shows.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, that was Dom's first show.
[SPEAKER_02]: was uh... that mabble show was like mabble i think maybe machine head and doggy dog or something or a dale said i was said this was like ninety five but i was a machine i don't make it that but i remember like seen flyers for that show in your slater it was at the elbow too right over here that's that's a funny story i was driving with my girlfriend at the time we're going to the Toronto Science Museum
[SPEAKER_02]: And on the radio, it was like free show tonight.
[SPEAKER_02]: Matt Ball, I just looked at her and she's like, all right.
[SPEAKER_00]: And so we just, she gave in.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, that science said it was now very controversly, finally, shut it down and it's going to be missed.
[SPEAKER_02]: What's the controversy though?
[SPEAKER_02]: It was like a big, big deal.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, like the, they hadn't put money into it for years.
[SPEAKER_00]: I actually took my kid there and, and it's class and that kids got pretty bored, pretty quick left part.
[SPEAKER_00]: but the uh... we have a really corrupt uh... i think i don't think i have to say allegedly with that with dug for are the uh... for dynasty here up north and
[SPEAKER_00]: He has shut down, like in some weird, like land thing, or money-grabby type thing.
[SPEAKER_00]: He's moved the science editor down to where Ontario place used to be.
[SPEAKER_00]: And it's gonna be a giant spa there and all this all bullshit anywhere.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, buffalo, buffalo seems like more happened in the Toronto these days.
[SPEAKER_00]: Dude.
[SPEAKER_02]: Wow.
[SPEAKER_02]: This guy just talked about how great Ronald was all the time.
[SPEAKER_01]: No, I do not.
[SPEAKER_01]: Thank you.
[SPEAKER_01]: The good food.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's about it.
[SPEAKER_01]: Ronald and Sam.
[SPEAKER_01]: You guys, we got less side gone.
[SPEAKER_02]: Boom.
[SPEAKER_01]: Hey, I'll agree with you on that.
[SPEAKER_01]: I wonder if we're sad.
[SPEAKER_00]: Do you ever be Drake?
[SPEAKER_00]: Me?
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: No.
[SPEAKER_00]: I knew a couple of people who went to high school with him and stuff, but that.
[SPEAKER_00]: I met him one time, but it was like after his famous, but I knew 40 back in the day is producer, okay.
[SPEAKER_00]: Because I feel like that's thinking Toronto, like everyone's like, you know, six degrees from everybody.
[SPEAKER_00]: Ted thing, it's a big small town up here, right?
[SPEAKER_00]: So we've all got our drink connections.
[SPEAKER_00]: Not a great thing.
[SPEAKER_00]: No, no, you guys.
[SPEAKER_02]: I did see Drake play one of the Sabers play.
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't give a fuck about Drake, but he fucking rocked that place.
[SPEAKER_02]: The whole, it was like 20,000 people knew every word.
[SPEAKER_02]: It was crazy.
[SPEAKER_02]: He ripped it.
[SPEAKER_00]: What, when are you gonna do a song with less like gum, though?
[SPEAKER_02]: I wish tomorrow, set it up.
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't wanna keep you guys on your day off.
[SPEAKER_00]: I feel like I'm keeping you when you should be hanging out and doing fun stuff, but, you know, I'm glad you guys are here chilling with me.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm glad I agreed to this.
[SPEAKER_01]: I was finally convinced to.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, you're really scared of coming.
[SPEAKER_01]: Do you literally had to get talked to it?
[SPEAKER_01]: Talk into this real tough.
[SPEAKER_01]: Do you think we're going to believe?
[SPEAKER_01]: No, I'm just like not good with podcasts, but like interviews and being films and stuff.
[SPEAKER_00]: Skaz weird.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, you're a great last time you're on this thing.
[SPEAKER_01]: I say, yes, yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: No, we probably smoked week before, and I don't know why you even did that before an interview.
[SPEAKER_00]: No, you were great.
[SPEAKER_00]: You were like, we definitely smoked weed before little chance we didn't, but you were, you're great.
[SPEAKER_00]: I went back and listened to it and it was totally fine.
[SPEAKER_00]: When Mike came on the podcast, he smoked weed and we had to stop the podcast and do it another day.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, that's the rest you take, hanging with Danian.
[SPEAKER_00]: I tell you, but now everyone's quitting smoking weed up here, and now they've legalized it.
[SPEAKER_00]: So I feel like, it's just too strong now, man.
[SPEAKER_00]: Jesus Christ.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think it's also because it's like lost, it's cool edge.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like it's just like people smoke pens up here.
[SPEAKER_00]: People take edibles to go to sleep, but it's not like, I don't know, it doesn't have the same, I guess, a lore.
[SPEAKER_00]: And yeah, I guess people are getting sick now, too.
[SPEAKER_00]: There's this like cannabis intolerance syndrome that some people are going to eat.
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, I think I heard that.
[SPEAKER_02]: Do you vomit when you smoke weed?
[SPEAKER_02]: No, my heart starts feeling like I did a bump of coke.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, there's some people who just doesn't agree with.
[SPEAKER_00]: And then there's some people who agrees with too much like myself.
[SPEAKER_02]: After the panic attack, and my heart slows down, it feels great, but I don't want to go.
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't need the roller coaster ride.
[SPEAKER_02]: Just give me straight to great.
[SPEAKER_00]: But now you're like meditating and you're like walking and you're like, yeah, I'm still a miserable fuck.
[SPEAKER_00]: Are you?
[SPEAKER_00]: Are you a miserable?
[SPEAKER_01]: No, he's pretty happy.
[SPEAKER_01]: He's pretty happy.
[SPEAKER_01]: If you go through this at the things he mentioned on his list, if he gets to do that every day, he's in good spirits.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, like I feel like you're you're in a better place than I've ever seen you Scott, like I feel like it's been a a trajectory to get to this point like first time you're on the podcast your little buzzed Second time you're here you were like in in a pretty good place you're kind of on the other side of the real back real real severe back issues that you're dealing with
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, George's the one we've got to work on now.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm fine.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm not putting this business up there because I'm so.
[SPEAKER_00]: No.
[SPEAKER_00]: George's amazing.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like I really do feel like I've told you this before.
[SPEAKER_00]: So I'm not and maybe even told you it on the last episode.
[SPEAKER_00]: But it's just so great to see you in terror.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: Thank you.
[SPEAKER_00]: It couldn't work out better.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's great.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's crazy with terror.
[SPEAKER_02]: No one even argues anymore.
[SPEAKER_02]: Listen to this.
[SPEAKER_02]: Nick, we've done this in Europe before.
[SPEAKER_02]: We're right now.
[SPEAKER_02]: We're in where Nick lives in Oregon in the middle of nowhere.
[SPEAKER_02]: Dave, Nick's wife and daughter are coming with us on the bandwagon for the next five days.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's where Tara is at at this point.
[SPEAKER_02]: And that means we all have to get along and respect each other and there can't be anything so crazy going on that a child can't be
[SPEAKER_02]: So that's where Tara's at these days, which is, it's nice because I'm 53.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's stuck if like, you know, I'm still waking up in my face stuck to the dirty carpet.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, there are some people that are like that though at 53.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, bon punks.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, punk no die.
[SPEAKER_02]: How crazy was that show in New York?
[SPEAKER_02]: Like GB straight ahead.
[SPEAKER_02]: You today, gorilla biscuits outburst breakdown is like in all of the just the fact that all those people
[SPEAKER_02]: that made some of the greatest music in the world are still alive and for the most part of live.
[SPEAKER_02]: Friends capable of getting up on stage and playing and it looked like the shit I everyone set was crowned her dog.
[SPEAKER_02]: Like that's fucking amazing.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, no, it's it's an amazing time for this music because it's not like
[SPEAKER_00]: Everyone's up to just obsess of the old stuff.
[SPEAKER_00]: There's like obviously new bands that are popping off, but there's still enough respect for old stuff that there are young kids that are showing up for these types of shows and going crazy.
[SPEAKER_00]: And yeah, and that's very important.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like I'm just being on tour, that band started today right now.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's fucking, it's so awesome just to see how like exciting these guys are every night.
[SPEAKER_02]: These kids are 17 and 18.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's like looking at a mirror from like that when it's wordings like this was awesome.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like this was us being so fucking stoked and just moshing and diving every five seconds that they one of them asked me Scott, what's your favorite tear show ever?
[SPEAKER_02]: I was like, you know, it's been 24 years.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, what's your favorite show?
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm like, I have no idea.
[SPEAKER_00]: you're like fucked up.
[SPEAKER_00]: How are trip code words?
[SPEAKER_00]: Let's see.
[SPEAKER_00]: Add a look.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's under.
[SPEAKER_01]: You guys didn't do the hand event.
[SPEAKER_01]: You guys didn't do the Canadian way.
[SPEAKER_00]: No, we dropped off that.
[SPEAKER_00]: It was the most depressing tour we've ever been on.
[SPEAKER_00]: We got fucking, we sounded like.
[SPEAKER_00]: like fucking the the the children's pop punk band on tour with all the tough hardcore bands like every night with just like what the fuck are doing bill like the fact that that's never happened really we got even alive I feel like I'm at tour you put that tour together right yeah but you guys were supposed to pick a soft band and then you pick coat orange kids
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, what's the name of co-hat liner like we flip flops right and the deal was we were supposed to pick we were going to pick power trip Being a hard band and you guys were like oh, we're like we figured Scott would pick like Chuck Reagan or like some promo thing, you know, we're like oh, this will be perfect.
[SPEAKER_00]: It'll be great And then he picks coat orange kids So we're just like I think there's old at the time as well, right so we're just the odd man out on the whole fucking tour
[SPEAKER_02]: We did, we did a couple of years with code orange, we did a couple of years with trapped under ice.
[SPEAKER_02]: Now we're doing a couple of years with combustible farm.
[SPEAKER_02]: I should be spending my head and I just want to, already start to ask like, we kind of go to Europe together.
[SPEAKER_02]: Like really, I'm like, yeah, it's going to happen.
[SPEAKER_02]: Don't worry.
[SPEAKER_00]: See, it's lucky that they're finding you guys at this point in your career, because another point in the career could have been like shut down being on towards hatred.
[SPEAKER_02]: And you're right, they might have been like, give me away from these fucking psychos.
[SPEAKER_02]: Or you've lived in a garden path, like, who knows?
[SPEAKER_02]: Do you know that the guitarist who started today, his dad was in in my eyes?
[SPEAKER_01]: Whoa, that's great.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's that's the generational it's crazy to see that God and it's so crazy too because like terror did so many years of slugging out on these like metal tours where you guys were the odd man out too.
[SPEAKER_02]: Well still do that we just did a obituary my dream or I don't think my dream but I keep pushing we need a count of corp store.
[SPEAKER_02]: I always whenever I talk to Vitalo on my count of
[SPEAKER_00]: like pride tour.
[SPEAKER_00]: Wow, who's on a cannabal court snap case.
[SPEAKER_00]: Every time I die reunion, pressure point.
[SPEAKER_00]: No, they were from Albany.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think I found it.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's amazing.
[SPEAKER_00]: Watch me out.
[SPEAKER_00]: I can still hold.
[SPEAKER_00]: Watch man.
[SPEAKER_01]: Half-mast.
[SPEAKER_00]: Wow.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like with rage and beat.
[SPEAKER_00]: No reason.
[SPEAKER_00]: Slavestate.
[SPEAKER_00]: Wow.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm just reading off my demo list.
[SPEAKER_00]: Lots of jobs.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: Take a look at this.
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, this gold boom.
[SPEAKER_02]: Very well, I can have my copy, too.
[SPEAKER_02]: Was the first spirit alive show ever at Sonic, Onion, Union, whatever?
[SPEAKER_00]: No.
[SPEAKER_01]: No.
[SPEAKER_01]: Would it have been in Buffalo?
[SPEAKER_01]: No.
[SPEAKER_01]: Maybe like your first three show.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think it was something like that.
[SPEAKER_00]: The second show I think was here with new day rising at in Oakville.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like what if we bat's fast?
[SPEAKER_00]: No, it was like a show show and it was like I think new day rising played and you guys came up and you guys had these demos and the shirts already And we were all there.
[SPEAKER_00]: You were there, George.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's where you were bought that tape.
[SPEAKER_01]: I assume and they were there when they opened up for Earth crisis and VOD
[SPEAKER_00]: That was later.
[SPEAKER_00]: That was after.
[SPEAKER_00]: But no, this was like before that.
[SPEAKER_00]: And we were all I remember we were all there.
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_00]: And because we were all there to see Barry alive, we were like super stoked that Barry to lie was playing something in my head tells me I first show was in Canada, but maybe I'm totally wrong.
[SPEAKER_00]: Maybe it was like maybe because you were because it was the hourglass guys were tight with Chris Gray did it, maybe from New Day Rising, if New Day
[SPEAKER_02]: uh... and that's how it happened i think right the u.s. came up here but i know i know our glass and and like let's just say the hamilton area had a definite connection so something tells me that but i'm also brain dead so i could i could totally be wrong and then buried life is short retina earlier like they played every show after that felt like
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I felt like they got that whole region because we're so fucking sick.
[SPEAKER_01]: We couldn't stop, but it definitely felt like at one year like every other month's period life would drop a gig in southern Ontario.
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't, I don't, I don't, I don't want to know warning convince or try to convince Chris Richie that six months face was written about him.
[SPEAKER_01]: Was it true Scott, but why would you been crisp believe that?
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't think he did, but I remember someone saying that to him, or it was... Oh.
[SPEAKER_00]: I've got it.
[SPEAKER_00]: I've got it like a crazy old buried alive setless, too, that I recently found.
[SPEAKER_00]: From like, it's got to be like the first or the second time you guys were up here.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's pretty normal.
[SPEAKER_02]: You should probably throw that in the garbage.
[SPEAKER_00]: No, I got it in my binder of collectibles.
[SPEAKER_00]: Exactly.
[SPEAKER_00]: Nothing.
[SPEAKER_02]: I was saying, I was telling those start-to-date kids.
[SPEAKER_02]: I just give you the way.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm more happy, like, just given you the way how long to like, cool flyers or so on.
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, I have a, for as long as I've been into hardcore, I have the wackiest record collection, wackiest shirt collection.
[SPEAKER_02]: I got nothing.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's short of it again, yeah, like my record, like I have an owner record player and god knows how long so when that broke, I stopped collecting vinyl, but most of my vinyl collection would probably be like the rare huge cruise ship from like the 90s, which at the time would go for like a hundred bucks, the now it'll go for like two dollars.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it's like, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, like some of that teamwork on color is like those image comic books with the gold sleigh, gold covers has not appreciated nearly as much as we thought.
[SPEAKER_01]: I definitely still have my Gary to live six months face seven inch though.
[SPEAKER_01]: And you have an unpurple too, I think.
[SPEAKER_00]: I do.
[SPEAKER_01]: How do you know that?
[SPEAKER_00]: Because I remember you trying to get it off you in a trade one.
[SPEAKER_00]: I bought it off him.
[SPEAKER_01]: I ever ever being a teacher or kid like what's the best thing in
[SPEAKER_02]: 30 bucks if it's rare.
[SPEAKER_00]: No, I'm sure it's worth way more than that.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like, especially those 90s were called what goes up and down in value.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like, it just depends on the era of that brand or something.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think that, I think it depends on the band and what the what the band kind of went on to do, too.
[SPEAKER_00]: In some cases, like, it's so weird, though, because like I was talking to Dave KW, who owns like admissions records here,
[SPEAKER_00]: The stuff people want the most is like 90s silk screen on an app can emo records give me a given example like our glass like that stuff I guess it would be like our glass like I was like like every green and honey well he's like that would be like the most mainstream tip of the iceberg shit for these kids like they're into like you know bands with like seven or eight names and it and I guess like
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, like so many word names and then like I went and saw the orchid when they did a reunion show up here and it was fucking packed like a thousand plus people was that the band that we were just in South America.
[SPEAKER_02]: We were in South America at the same time as them and we shared a shuttle to the airport with them and the same person booked us and he said their shows were like thousand people.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, and here's a crazy thing.
[SPEAKER_00]: Jason Green, the singer of Orkid, was asked to be the base player of Hapebreed.
[SPEAKER_00]: Wow, around under the knife, but he was a six year old kid and was just too nervous to call him back, called Jamie.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's been a life-sicker, life-sicker.
[SPEAKER_00]: It would have been like shut down being on tour with Hapebreed a few years later, I think it would have been a very shocking experience.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and those guys were actually he sings back up on all the
[SPEAKER_00]: Fuck, Connecticut, Bam, we were talking about earlier.
[SPEAKER_00]: Fast break, he thinks back up on all the fast break stuff, too.
[SPEAKER_00]: Nice.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's part of the youth crew choir on it.
[SPEAKER_00]: So, the hardcore is everywhere.
[SPEAKER_00]: You guys were linked with orchid right there, not just through a booking agent, but through the core.
[SPEAKER_00]: Man.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's the thing about all that emo stuff.
[SPEAKER_00]: Is it all those people were in like youth crew bands and hardcore bands?
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, the guys from Atari, what was Atari,
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, they were good.
[SPEAKER_00]: Chad, you're awesome.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, they were, they were wicked.
[SPEAKER_00]: Remember when they played up here?
[SPEAKER_00]: And you guys were just heckling them the whole time for Atari songs?
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, probably again, we don't have rats.
[SPEAKER_00]: Also, when St. Dave first played up here, the whole time, I think it was Matt Delong was yelling,
[SPEAKER_00]: for the guy from both peace who used to be in the band.
[SPEAKER_02]: I think early saves a day had another victim member too.
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh sure.
[SPEAKER_02]: He's named his dad.
[SPEAKER_02]: Thank you.
[SPEAKER_00]: We're the another victim from New Jersey.
[SPEAKER_02]: Thank you.
[SPEAKER_02]: Busky, basically the early, the promise.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, that's what I thought.
[SPEAKER_00]: So I guess like the New Jersey connection somehow, because this is a day from New Jersey.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: Anyway, I don't know.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm out of my depth.
[SPEAKER_00]: Anytime it gets to Emo, I feel like I'm really treading into deep water.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm a swimman, like a fucking...
[SPEAKER_00]: I know.
[SPEAKER_00]: Scott Emo.
[SPEAKER_01]: And it takes us a reason the other day, that album still holds up.
[SPEAKER_00]: Buffalo, it I love Texas, I like I like a lot of the big ticket bands in that genre, but I feel like there's so much stuff that I've just don't know about beyond the bigger bands.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm kind of the same.
[SPEAKER_02]: Like I have a pocket of stuff I love, but then when people start bringing stuff up to me, I'm like, I don't know.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm like, how do you know this, but not that I'm just like,
[SPEAKER_01]: I'll be honest, somewhat like a lot of the Evo bands that I've ever seen live, it was kind of like I'd love for certain bands on the record, but seeing them live, it won't be like the promise ring and just for Jets to Brazil, if you remember going to that show, yeah, I was one of the most boring experiences.
[SPEAKER_01]: But great, like, but good records.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, no, one record, probably.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's interesting because not so much with Jester Brazil, but like a lot of that emo is designed, or not designed, but like it's meant to piss off hard work kids.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like it's a bunch of hard work kids that had aged out by that point and started playing softer music and they were like, you know, in the DC scene, it was like definitely confrontational with hard work kids, like the music they were playing,
[SPEAKER_00]: in a lot of scenes like the music gets softer, more complicated, and it's meant to like not be like the hardcore stuff that people kind of came out of.
[SPEAKER_00]: And it goes back to like dinosaur junior in deep wound, like I feel like that's just sort of a natural life cycle, and that's why Scott's so interesting because Scott has always stayed into hardcore, but likes the most ignorant branches of hardcore, but also embraces the softest emo.
[SPEAKER_02]: and just he's all true.
[SPEAKER_00]: But what does he reject the bullshit with the tough hardcore, I think, right?
[SPEAKER_00]: You love the bullshit involved in tough arc, or you just don't like, but well, on that note, I will let you guys get on with your day off, but you know, I want you both back here.
[SPEAKER_00]: I want you guys here in person.
[SPEAKER_00]: The next time Tara comes to Toronto, we should all hang out together.
[SPEAKER_00]: We're at the end of this tour June 5th I'm around I got I got nothing but time now We're playing that cool place with the little little whiny and center or something Yes Like floor land sound yeah Or broken down really close to my house, too Oh yeah nice, you know, do you still live up here, George?
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, my floor land's now That's what I thought So So you're going to have to find that place Yeah, like This guy, I moved him to the wall If we played Toronto, we're going to be within walk you just to some of my talk
[SPEAKER_00]: Are you going to have Scott Sleepover?
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm just looking at how to do that.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's a subject you don't want to talk about.
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, that's my roommate.