WEBVTT 00:00.351 --> 00:03.834 [SPEAKER_01]: This podcast is a member of the Voices of Wrestling Podcasting Network. 00:04.154 --> 00:12.520 [SPEAKER_01]: Visit Voicesof Wrestling.com to hear the rest of our great podcast as well as show reviews, columns, opinions, and updates across the world of wrestling. 00:39.686 --> 00:40.490 [SPEAKER_02]: Look at that one so hard! 00:41.172 --> 00:41.574 [UNKNOWN]: Hope you fall! 01:06.784 --> 01:10.048 [SPEAKER_00]: Welcome back to Open the Voice Gate for June 16th, 2026. 01:10.109 --> 01:12.912 [SPEAKER_00]: We are members of the Voices of Wrestling Podcasts Network. 01:12.932 --> 01:19.481 [SPEAKER_00]: You can find us on the Voices of Wrestling Podcasts Network feed, or on the Open the Voice Gate feed wherever you get your podcasts. 01:19.501 --> 01:22.385 [SPEAKER_00]: You can find us on social media at Open Voice Gate. 01:22.485 --> 01:24.488 [SPEAKER_00]: That's both on Twitter and Blue Sky. 01:24.768 --> 01:27.029 [SPEAKER_00]: And if 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[SPEAKER_00]: That's Sonic wrestling in Ariake when that kind of happens in a few weeks. 02:04.758 --> 02:06.681 [SPEAKER_00]: But it's going to be a different kind of show going. 02:06.721 --> 02:08.363 [SPEAKER_00]: So it's going to be a bit of a shorter one. 02:09.023 --> 02:14.165 [SPEAKER_00]: And part of that is that there's just not a lot of drag gates off going on. 02:14.185 --> 02:16.867 [SPEAKER_00]: There was nothing on the network this last week. 02:17.287 --> 02:18.807 [SPEAKER_00]: And it's kind of interesting. 02:18.947 --> 02:22.229 [SPEAKER_00]: You know, I mean, feels like the last three months or so. 02:22.289 --> 02:31.093 [SPEAKER_00]: It's been like non-stop stuff with DIA, Shima and Magnum Tokyo, Shune, and we're kind of in this kind of... 02:31.753 --> 02:32.974 [SPEAKER_00]: weird quiet period. 02:33.014 --> 02:42.442 [SPEAKER_00]: We do have network shows at the end of this week in Hakata, but frankly, there's just not a lot of stuff happening in Dragon Gate for the first time, and ever. 02:42.522 --> 02:47.286 [SPEAKER_00]: So because of that, we're going to do a special kind of thing. 02:47.606 --> 02:53.751 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm calling it the mini-mix tape, and uh, well, and in a few minutes, we're going to talk about, uh, 02:54.992 --> 03:13.108 [SPEAKER_00]: one of my favorite wrestlers and someone that I think that with the brave gate situation being what it is, he at least his dragon gate career is a little bit back more into focus and that is the man that gravity forgot pack. 03:13.308 --> 03:17.691 [SPEAKER_00]: So we're going to do a what I'm calling a mini mixtape in a few minutes. 03:18.031 --> 03:26.476 [SPEAKER_00]: Talk about the news from one of the only shows that Dragon Gate had over this last week that really anything consequential happened and then we'll close this out. 03:26.516 --> 03:27.116 [SPEAKER_00]: Talk about those. 03:27.196 --> 03:27.917 [SPEAKER_00]: A cottage shows. 03:28.510 --> 03:38.443 [SPEAKER_00]: So, on this week, the 14th Dragon Gate had the first of the Shun Skywalker farewell tour in his hometown show of Tokyo and Githu. 03:39.204 --> 03:47.094 [SPEAKER_00]: Two things happened, one of them actually already has a clip on YouTube, which is kind of a handy, the other thing I'm wondering if they are going to 03:47.594 --> 03:53.459 [SPEAKER_00]: put up on the network later on if anything as like a shunes guy walker kind of thing. 03:53.619 --> 03:59.864 [SPEAKER_00]: So, first and foremost, the thing that wasn't that that has not really hit tape or anything. 04:04.808 --> 04:23.027 [SPEAKER_00]: former uh and in his hometown he teams with dragon kid and fellow toki gifu uh native monday ryu against a godja docro team uh madoka kaku dacai in jasonly and uh the thing i'm kind of interested in and this is that they're apparently was like this big 04:23.768 --> 04:34.593 [SPEAKER_00]: Almost baby face Shun Skywalker promo where he actually outright thanks Mondai Ryu for his mentorship early on in the dojo. 04:35.054 --> 04:38.595 [SPEAKER_00]: Wait, which just sends me thinking like, okay, let's go back, roll the clock back to 2015, 2016. 04:40.509 --> 04:52.838 [SPEAKER_00]: Man, over generation maybe had a little bit more of an impact that we gave it credit for at least Monday or you and that for the very least, but that is something that I imagine maybe the match might go up on the network sometime. 04:52.858 --> 05:02.004 [SPEAKER_00]: I haven't heard anything just trying to sift through the tea that leaves with this, but the thing that there is a clip of on social media from the 05:02.965 --> 05:23.121 [SPEAKER_00]: show was the semi-main event of uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh 05:23.301 --> 05:30.364 [SPEAKER_00]: Gaja Durukuro was saved by the person who saved Katama Norah from the speed down was Yuki Oshioca. 05:31.044 --> 05:42.669 [SPEAKER_00]: So it looks like we already have that kind of direction that we all kind of anticipated, where Yoshioca and Menorah after decourage are kind of gravitating towards each other. 05:43.089 --> 05:46.450 [SPEAKER_00]: Menorah did not accept like a hand shake or anything he stormed off. 05:46.490 --> 05:51.412 [SPEAKER_00]: So this is going to probably slow tease for the rest of the month and maybe we'll go look at Korkin. 05:52.132 --> 06:05.198 [SPEAKER_00]: Other stuff that's happened in Dragon Gate, Monday Magic, their big cork and show, ending their season with the Monday Magic 3 Musketeers, the Kaito Kia Mia, Titus Alexander and Archie Cole. 06:05.818 --> 06:11.921 [SPEAKER_00]: That's a team that I would like to hear their names announced by Jeff Gersman, Jeff Gersman should just in general do pro wrestling. 06:12.762 --> 06:15.623 [SPEAKER_00]: Announcement, I feel like he have a fun time saying Monday Magic. 06:16.243 --> 06:29.848 [SPEAKER_00]: against the mystery team of one new Japan guy, one DDT guy, one Dragon Gate guy, and that was Zack Saber Jr. from New Japan, Chris Brooks from DDT, and then Luis Monte from Dragon Gate, appearing there. 06:30.568 --> 06:33.429 [SPEAKER_00]: Reto showed up previously on that show, which is 06:33.889 --> 06:41.831 [SPEAKER_00]: making a lot of sense because Rita showed up in a cork in today during the finals of the GHC tag. 06:42.451 --> 06:56.935 [SPEAKER_00]: It's some weird thing, but it's like there is no attack leak folks, no attack leaks and Rita declared a challenge for the GHC junior tag match with Jackie Rita going up against the current champions of Dragon Bay and Ali Hondrow, which 06:57.615 --> 07:00.236 [SPEAKER_00]: We've loved Ali Hondra when he's appeared in Dragon Gate. 07:00.296 --> 07:04.719 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, he's essentially a Dragon System wrestler outside of the Dragon System. 07:04.799 --> 07:08.581 [SPEAKER_00]: And Dragon Gate has been great with the gold podores in the split there. 07:08.641 --> 07:11.122 [SPEAKER_00]: So that will be something that kind of keep an eye on. 07:11.202 --> 07:13.703 [SPEAKER_00]: I assume that will be happening in Noah, though. 07:14.143 --> 07:17.225 [SPEAKER_00]: It would be a really cool thing and something that I think that, uh, 07:17.685 --> 07:21.927 [SPEAKER_00]: Kobe world could use if they were willing to bring in and do the title defense there. 07:21.947 --> 07:33.174 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, they could be they shouldn't be Jackierita by if you bring them in there and be Jackierita Kobe world and have just a face melt or of a match I think everyone would be kind of be happy with that, but 07:33.974 --> 07:37.777 [SPEAKER_00]: That's all the dragon gate news from this last week. 07:37.797 --> 07:41.700 [SPEAKER_00]: I personally, there's not necessarily anything about Shinskaya Walker. 07:41.740 --> 07:47.324 [SPEAKER_00]: They announced the G1 climax early field in the playing guys. 07:47.344 --> 07:54.270 [SPEAKER_00]: There was no expectation for Shinskaya Walker too, just like from what all we've talked about last week in. 07:55.391 --> 07:59.337 [SPEAKER_00]: It he wasn't going to just show up and be like surprise, Shun, Watt, Nabe and the G1. 07:59.837 --> 08:01.540 [SPEAKER_00]: So I don't think there was a surprise there. 08:01.740 --> 08:08.249 [SPEAKER_00]: And we'll just keep an eye out as this farewell tour continues for Shun Skywalker when we... 08:09.165 --> 08:20.277 [SPEAKER_00]: Well, when things might become more clear or at least more open about his departure and where things are going to go from here, but for now, we're down from this, let's talk about pack. 08:21.438 --> 08:27.105 [SPEAKER_00]: So a little bit of a preamble before we get into the review content of this episode. 08:28.446 --> 08:38.654 [SPEAKER_00]: It kind of struck me after Roya Tanaka's love and defense of the Brave Gate title, what he was really accomplishing. 08:39.354 --> 08:54.345 [SPEAKER_00]: And thinking of that and the fact that with all logic, Roya Tanaka is going to have the greatest Brave Gate reign and history come July 20th, 08:55.774 --> 09:12.533 [SPEAKER_00]: I kind of want to celebrate the guy who, at least as of right now, still holds the oldest record in Dragon Gate, and that is the 11 Defense, 447 Day, open the brave gate run that was done by the man that gravity forgot pack. 09:13.366 --> 09:17.308 [SPEAKER_00]: And it's interesting, kind of contrasting these two guys. 09:18.589 --> 09:23.331 [SPEAKER_00]: Tanaka will walk into Kobe world on the July 20th. 09:23.812 --> 09:33.156 [SPEAKER_00]: Already breaking his one-year reign mark, which will put him firmly number two, and at least the most days had an reign. 09:33.196 --> 09:37.499 [SPEAKER_00]: And if he gets through, homari, as we've talked about, he still has, 09:38.920 --> 10:01.462 [SPEAKER_00]: 82 more days until he breaks packs 447 day record and we talked about the guys he could face with that, but and the ways that matter at least in Dragon Gate and I feel like that's fair to say throughout Japanese for wrestling is not that I think I viewed the defenses record as usually more prestigious than the days. 10:01.502 --> 10:01.943 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, we've 10:02.463 --> 10:07.225 [SPEAKER_00]: talked about times that titles have just sat on people's shoulders for a long time. 10:08.006 --> 10:16.750 [SPEAKER_00]: And what Pac accomplished in 2010 into 2011 was quite possibly the greatest title run in company history. 10:17.430 --> 10:23.353 [SPEAKER_00]: And the more I start thinking about Pac and the more I thought about the title run in Pac in general, 10:24.193 --> 10:48.546 [SPEAKER_00]: I've kind of come to a realization at least in 2026 with what I enjoy in pro wrestling and the wrestling that I watch with that caveat because my favorite Dragon Gate Guy have not really watched the match of and almost a decade at this point, but the ones that I consider still active pack might be my favorite to watch. 10:49.555 --> 11:02.641 [SPEAKER_00]: And I think that it's something where people nowadays, I think nowadays people really are on the same page about how great of a wrestler package. 11:03.662 --> 11:14.166 [SPEAKER_00]: And a point that I kind of wanted to go through on this episode and something that I still will kind of continue doing is the idea that 11:15.507 --> 11:18.648 [SPEAKER_00]: maybe packs greatness started a lot earlier. 11:18.728 --> 11:24.589 [SPEAKER_00]: Maybe his prime wasn't just that brave gate tile run, maybe there's something there before it. 11:24.669 --> 11:31.631 [SPEAKER_00]: And I mean, if you think about that, the brave gate title run for him lasted from August 29, 2010 until November 19, 2011. 11:37.041 --> 11:39.002 [SPEAKER_00]: I think Pac was a great wrestler before then. 11:39.443 --> 11:41.464 [SPEAKER_00]: I've always been a big fan of his. 11:41.704 --> 11:47.268 [SPEAKER_00]: And the older I get, the more deep into his career, the more I kind of have an appreciation of this guy. 11:47.528 --> 11:55.153 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, he's considered one of the most decent people in an industry of scumbags. 11:55.773 --> 12:02.498 [SPEAKER_00]: And I think that as like his moral compass goes, we kind of saw that he was someone who was willing to, 12:03.258 --> 12:09.784 [SPEAKER_00]: Take out years of his prime earning potential because he wasn't happy and he didn't agree how he was getting treated. 12:10.525 --> 12:18.913 [SPEAKER_00]: And I find that very admirable, but it's kind of getting back into this episode and getting back into pack himself. 12:19.433 --> 12:33.020 [SPEAKER_00]: What I've done is I've picked five not necessarily like B side pack matches, but these are matches that I didn't pick Spike Muheekin's versus PK1. 12:33.060 --> 12:37.183 [SPEAKER_00]: I didn't actually pick Ricochet match in this. 12:37.263 --> 12:45.507 [SPEAKER_00]: I wanted to kind of celebrate his deeper catalog and other parts of that brave gate run that weren't just the one-year feud with Ricochet. 12:45.627 --> 12:46.268 [SPEAKER_00]: I feel like that 12:47.388 --> 13:11.303 [SPEAKER_00]: was a little bit more deep in that, and there's some inspiration that I've had, and that is like when we talk on those days, and all the discussion about tape trading, like how you consume pro wrestling, one the ways that at least for me and my wrestling youth or how everyone kind of want to look at those sorts of things, like I came about in an era that became file sharing, 13:14.585 --> 13:35.340 [SPEAKER_00]: and i felt like pack very much was one of those guys and part of like the file sharing a music video scene also were like the idea of comp tape and mixtapes and i vividly remember getting like the good helmet sets or like rob nailer or shnider dvd's nailer with the wimpy's matches on there 13:37.007 --> 13:41.473 [SPEAKER_00]: There's an aspect of curation that just doesn't happen in per wrestling these days. 13:41.493 --> 13:42.174 [SPEAKER_00]: We just consume. 13:42.194 --> 13:44.257 [SPEAKER_00]: We just consume and I mean a lot of it. 13:44.697 --> 13:51.186 [SPEAKER_00]: If you watch like weekly US wrestling goes in one ear and out the other same thing with like ear. 13:51.707 --> 13:55.309 [SPEAKER_00]: road to dominion shows in Bepua or what have you. 13:55.850 --> 14:10.099 [SPEAKER_00]: But I always thought that there was something kind of cool about the idea of like picking four or five matches and going this thing and I know case is done one where he has compiled a list of 40 or so soon-sky walker matches. 14:10.139 --> 14:12.080 [SPEAKER_00]: I remember like his like DVD set idea. 14:12.100 --> 14:17.383 [SPEAKER_00]: And I wanted to do something a little bit more grounded and a little bit more kind of exploratory. 14:17.403 --> 14:18.784 [SPEAKER_00]: These five matches are all 14:21.906 --> 14:34.996 [SPEAKER_00]: of before pack leaves for WWE in the summer 2012 and it is mostly things you will be able to find on the Dragon Gate Network and I'll be sure that both the show notes and the discord have links to this. 14:35.096 --> 14:43.943 [SPEAKER_00]: One match is the first match actually is going to be daily motion linked because it's the one match that's not a Dragon Gate proper match. 14:44.023 --> 14:45.244 [SPEAKER_00]: It's actually something that 14:46.264 --> 15:13.610 [SPEAKER_00]: I case and I never really like intentionally like put to the side in like our list of projects and historical work to kind of go back and do and but it's a dragon gate UK and we're going to kick off this pack many mixes I'm calling with this with the first main event from the dragon gate UK series of shows the dragon gate European invasion from November 1st 2009 in Oxford and it is 15:16.191 --> 15:25.119 [SPEAKER_00]: Warriors 5 team of Shima and the Young Bucks Matt and Nick Jackson versus the World 1 team of Naruki Doy BB Hulk and Pack. 15:25.940 --> 15:37.630 [SPEAKER_00]: And I'm not going to go blow before blow with these match, but I'm going to talk about why I chose this match, some big thoughts about it, and why I think that these matches are kind of important when we are talking about Pack's career. 15:38.091 --> 15:38.191 [SPEAKER_00]: And 15:38.671 --> 15:53.894 [SPEAKER_00]: I chose this one specifically because pack enters Dragon Gate in 2007 as a part of Russell Jam after working PWG and his first couple of years are not necessarily ones that I would call 15:54.395 --> 16:03.844 [SPEAKER_00]: distinguish he's someone that works within a typhoon in the world one but very much so in his slot and his kind of position. 16:03.924 --> 16:14.113 [SPEAKER_00]: But as the calendar moved into 2009, especially with world one, Pack was able to kind of get a step up where I would argue at least with like the original 16:14.874 --> 16:23.037 [SPEAKER_00]: five members of World One, Neruki Doy, Masadeo, Shino, BB, Holoka, Niyoki, Tanazaki, actually six members because there's MCKZ. 16:23.677 --> 16:32.900 [SPEAKER_00]: And pack, this is the first unit that moves pack firmly out of the rookie or bottom loss post kind of position. 16:32.960 --> 16:36.901 [SPEAKER_00]: And he arguably at times was considered the fourth 16:37.301 --> 16:52.673 [SPEAKER_00]: most important member of the unit, maybe I mean with injuries and such, I mean, and like, and like doys heel turn, he becomes upwards of the second or third most important person, but this is, but the point is is that this is a time period where pack is finally getting highlighted and, uh, 16:53.794 --> 16:58.641 [SPEAKER_00]: elevated and no better than the first show of Dragon Gate UK. 16:59.282 --> 17:08.555 [SPEAKER_00]: I always loved how Mark's Lone set up the shows and I'm some of my misgivings about like not doing Dragon Gate UK stuff is because it's essentially dead media. 17:09.135 --> 17:15.278 [SPEAKER_00]: I assume Sloan owns the rights for all this stuff and let's somehow they went over to WWN. 17:15.678 --> 17:21.280 [SPEAKER_00]: But he always has this, uh, trusts over the ring that has lights on. 17:21.300 --> 17:23.942 [SPEAKER_00]: So everything in ring is really, really well. 17:24.382 --> 17:31.245 [SPEAKER_00]: But the thing that I like is that he, at least on this show, no he doesn't for some of the other ones, he always has three video screens. 17:31.665 --> 17:31.805 [SPEAKER_00]: One, 17:32.045 --> 17:46.053 [SPEAKER_00]: with like the Dragon Gate UK logo, but the ones for the other corners and for the entranceways, you he, in this match he had Warriors 5 for Schiemann the Youngbucks and he had the World One logo for World One. 17:46.693 --> 17:51.956 [SPEAKER_00]: And I think that those were the kind of things that were really missing out of Dragon Gate USA. 17:52.376 --> 17:58.579 [SPEAKER_00]: Like that was a touch and a level of care that you got on these DGU K shows 18:02.081 --> 18:08.706 [SPEAKER_00]: And really, the reason I kind of pick this match is that this is a time period where they drag and you get six man. 18:08.766 --> 18:20.976 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, we are after the launch of drag and get USA, and it is at a time where they drag and get six man as a match type is a global quantity. 18:21.516 --> 18:30.464 [SPEAKER_00]: And this one having pack in it, and especially in the role that in Paxon Country, he is the guy in this kind of match at a time where he's 18:31.204 --> 18:38.928 [SPEAKER_00]: Still, I mean, that you lower member in World One, that it's just so nice to kind of see him thrive in this kind of role. 18:38.988 --> 18:56.116 [SPEAKER_00]: He has a level of precision in this match that I think is really kind of phenomenal when you think that he only worked parts of the two previous years in Dragon Gate and it was not like the European schedule that he had was necessarily the busiest one before that. 18:56.876 --> 19:03.082 [SPEAKER_00]: And you already see him really kind of growing into a the wrestler that we see today. 19:03.102 --> 19:16.374 [SPEAKER_00]: I wouldn't call this a peak pack match and and as we go through the timeline here, well, well, well, well, we'll kind of see where he actually slots out for these kinds of things, but I mean, 19:17.115 --> 19:23.761 [SPEAKER_00]: 2009 pack, I mean, he becomes a triangle gate champion that we'll talk about, and the next match stepping back kind of into time. 19:24.321 --> 19:27.464 [SPEAKER_00]: But it is really kind of fun to see here. 19:27.784 --> 19:37.312 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm interested in seeing and part of this is like, I want to see how we can get more discussion going in like channels on the discord about these kinds of things. 19:38.113 --> 19:54.830 [SPEAKER_00]: Pack it's a over-the-corner post-phosphory flop in this match and in 2009 I don't know how many people are actually doing the phosphory flop move and I wonder if this is one of the first ones I'm certain in Lucha there is certainly kind of a uh 19:56.952 --> 20:12.397 [SPEAKER_00]: someone doing this, but that was something that I made sure I wanted to note here and then without spoiling a bunch into the match itself, Schema does without the doubt one of the funniest kick-out or kick-out break or pin breaks that you could see. 20:12.417 --> 20:15.838 [SPEAKER_00]: It actually paused me and maybe I've got a bit. 20:15.939 --> 20:21.660 [SPEAKER_00]: But yeah, now this is looking at Pack as a star within Dragon Gate. 20:21.680 --> 20:22.461 [SPEAKER_00]: I would argue even 20:23.681 --> 20:44.028 [SPEAKER_00]: more so than the match we're going to talk about next that like this and the this series of shows and at least like positioning pack in this kind of manner that it was already after this DGU K show like it was clear that pack was going to be one of the feature people on these series of shows. 20:45.995 --> 20:58.558 [SPEAKER_00]: The next match in our mixes from Kobe World 2009, so we're traveling back in time about three months to July 19th, 2009, the open-the-trial gate, title match, Masato Yoshino, BB-Hulk, and Pack. 20:58.999 --> 21:06.100 [SPEAKER_00]: The champion team for World 1 defending against Kamakaze of Dragon Kid Takuawasa and Akira Tizawa. 21:06.321 --> 21:11.622 [SPEAKER_00]: And first and foremost, yes, I found a way to get an Akira Tizawa match onto this, uh, 21:11.982 --> 21:21.389 [SPEAKER_00]: comp, and I don't feel bad about that, because at least for me this is one of the better matches on this show, 2008 Kobe World. 21:22.030 --> 21:32.978 [SPEAKER_00]: Kind of a weird one because you're still, you're at the end of, or you can close the end of the Neruki Doi really long during gate round that didn't go so well, and the match against Shima. 21:33.718 --> 21:36.719 [SPEAKER_00]: for the drink ain't break it was not great here. 21:36.819 --> 21:45.662 [SPEAKER_00]: Twing it was Marahasapa as heels against Yama Hawke of Shingo and Yamato. 21:45.682 --> 21:51.303 [SPEAKER_00]: And that put a pack and a kiritozawa after emission third from the top here. 21:52.244 --> 21:55.585 [SPEAKER_00]: And it is just a really fun 21:56.705 --> 22:25.753 [SPEAKER_00]: Trianglegate match, especially you have Masato Yoshino the most hand that he's ever been in his life You have BB Hulk at that time period where he really grew out of doing the dance and he's still had to do it and didn't seem like he really wanted to do it At this point, but the magic of this match is between Pack and Taco O'Wass So Taco O'Wass is one of those favorites in mind that Sadly before like peak Western dragon gate viewing 22:26.253 --> 22:47.571 [SPEAKER_00]: he was basically out of the company and out of wrestling, and it is kind of a shame because he was a very inventive and creative guy, the Noshigami gory bomb was that Shingo does is after him, and him and Pack had really fun chemistry, and that's really kind of the focus in this match Pack is basically 22:48.712 --> 22:52.737 [SPEAKER_00]: Uh, at certain points, taking some of the more wild bumps you will see. 22:52.817 --> 23:00.585 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, no wonder the guy has great chemistry with Darby Allen when he was taking no Chagami's from the apron hitting his head on the apron to the floor. 23:00.605 --> 23:03.108 [SPEAKER_00]: Uh, the one thing about this match, uh, 23:04.148 --> 23:12.374 [SPEAKER_00]: As the World's Biggest Securities Outed Defender, I don't think that it was his best match and especially given the time period it kind of makes sense. 23:12.394 --> 23:24.741 [SPEAKER_00]: He's better in the stretch, but it's a little bit of choppyness with him, but the real magic here is really between Pack and Takuawasa, and it's fun to see those two constantly kind of come into it. 23:25.802 --> 23:50.661 [SPEAKER_00]: peak dragon kid and BB Hulk before he gets beat down it's just a good time of a triangle gate match and and really for pack this is his first title run in the company this is out of time whereas I mentioned before he's finally starting to get a bit of a push and it just is a really good feeling a triangle gate match at a time that an honor show that desperately needed it. 23:52.765 --> 23:58.809 [SPEAKER_00]: We are going to fast forward into 2010 for our third match, it's from the Gate of Destiny 2010. 23:58.870 --> 24:10.298 [SPEAKER_00]: Pack is now Brave Gate Champion, and I would argue that the pack that we would know for virtually the remainder of his career is now fully formed. 24:10.598 --> 24:15.562 [SPEAKER_00]: As I chose as match, that he has a Gate of Destiny, it's a Brave Gate defense against Dragon Kid. 24:16.262 --> 24:33.110 [SPEAKER_00]: as I look at Pac and I see like if you want to go for like his direct influences and I think that they are very clear that they are Masato Yoshino and Dragon Kid and this match really shows off kind of the 24:34.772 --> 24:49.886 [SPEAKER_00]: It just natural chemistry that pack has with kid, and my two big takeaways from this match and the reasoning why I chose these ones were, I like this time and Dragon Kid's career. 24:50.506 --> 24:57.073 [SPEAKER_00]: It's that time period where you have team doya as the heel army warriors is kind of looming. 24:57.833 --> 25:04.595 [SPEAKER_00]: And very quickly over the next two months, we would have blood warriors and that blood warriors in junction three would be off to the races. 25:05.115 --> 25:21.839 [SPEAKER_00]: And in this match, you get dragon kit playing a little bit more heel, a little bit more of kind of the veteran, and you get it off the start with a really wild ultra hercarana that just happens because pack was show voting and dragon gets like no man. 25:27.880 --> 25:36.064 [SPEAKER_00]: A battle precision, and I really, really adore the way that Pac takes the Rana's that he does it. 25:36.345 --> 25:37.785 [SPEAKER_00]: It's a Rana heavy match. 25:37.825 --> 25:42.127 [SPEAKER_00]: It's kind of like Rana versus the 360 shooting star. 25:42.788 --> 25:47.790 [SPEAKER_00]: And which one is going to be the one that like fully takes them out and gets them to that point. 25:48.170 --> 25:52.873 [SPEAKER_00]: And Pac, I think, is one that best people at taking Rana's. 25:53.573 --> 26:03.978 [SPEAKER_00]: And in this match, the way that he takes some of the wild ones that Dragon Kid throws at him is with a level of precision and devastation that makes it really kind of special. 26:04.018 --> 26:08.660 [SPEAKER_00]: But I didn't want to pick any of the Ricochet matches for this comp. 26:08.720 --> 26:15.603 [SPEAKER_00]: I just felt like that it is more interesting to kind of get a little deeper in away from that. 26:15.863 --> 26:19.005 [SPEAKER_00]: And at least for me, this is a brave game match I haven't watched, maybe. 26:20.385 --> 26:25.289 [SPEAKER_00]: I don't know, well over a decade, maybe not a decade and a half, well over a decade. 26:25.510 --> 26:37.360 [SPEAKER_00]: And it just kind of takes me back that, like, if you look at Pack from 2009 to 2010, his body is now pretty much fully formed, his wrestling is gotten even more sharper. 26:37.980 --> 26:41.303 [SPEAKER_00]: And you even have a little bit of the edges of the bastard that you can even see. 26:41.944 --> 26:46.127 [SPEAKER_00]: And with 20, 26 eyes, there are certain things that Pack does in this match, 26:47.369 --> 26:57.548 [SPEAKER_00]: Yep, I guess that's where he tapped into when he does those sorts of things now today, and it's just such a treat of a match in the first of two brave gate matches on this mini mix. 27:00.525 --> 27:20.817 [SPEAKER_00]: Our fourth mini-mix match is from Dead or alive 2011, and it's pack making his seventh defense of the Brave Gate title against Neruki Doye, felt like that this one's kind of a fun little nod in here, because this defense was the one that broke the previous defense record of Neyoki Tanazaki's. 27:22.058 --> 27:49.232 [SPEAKER_00]: Six, six defenses and became made pack the high water mark for this title at that time and it's an interesting time in the promotion for this So we are a month before the formation of junction three and the actual kickoff and truth of blood warriors versus junction three at this point So we kind of have a bit of a husk of world one happening at this point, but packs 2011 27:50.192 --> 27:55.034 [SPEAKER_00]: It should not just be remembered for his brave gate feud with Ricochet. 27:55.095 --> 28:14.244 [SPEAKER_00]: Pax 2011 is actually a really kind of remarkable year because he becomes the inaugural open the United Gate Champions with Dragon Kid over in a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, 28:14.564 --> 28:21.068 [SPEAKER_00]: And then as that champion there, sorry, dragon kid, he becomes twin gate champion with across the year. 28:21.388 --> 28:25.210 [SPEAKER_00]: And then he also has this brave gate title as well. 28:25.230 --> 28:31.574 [SPEAKER_00]: So going into a Kobe world, actually, he was a triple champion. 28:32.014 --> 28:47.992 [SPEAKER_00]: This year, they don't ever really carry around the USA titles in Japan, which is something that I was kind of found interesting that they would show more of the Freedom Gate, but the United Gate. 28:48.512 --> 28:58.660 [SPEAKER_00]: I, I wonder if Gabe kept the United Gate belt, and he didn't necessarily let the guys take it back with him, or as you would have that, uh, freedom gate being brought back around. 28:58.680 --> 29:07.288 [SPEAKER_00]: So yeah, no, this is actually, we're getting to a point where he is one of the most decorated wrestlers in Dragon Gate. 29:07.308 --> 29:12.512 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, after this summer, all he had left on the Dragon Gate Grand 29:17.036 --> 29:31.396 [SPEAKER_00]: Well, with this, you have Naruki Doye acting every bit of the good heel Naruki Doye and tapping into that against a valiant baby face pack and pack, being just absurdly precise. 29:31.756 --> 29:49.327 [SPEAKER_00]: So six months from the last match and he's even more crisp he does a standing can't come tornado to the floor where he lands basically feet first and it's he takes one of the nastiest corner cannon balls as well just a real tour to force his baby face and 29:49.767 --> 30:07.382 [SPEAKER_00]: at least for me, this was one of the matches that I think on the tape, it might not be one of the best ones just because of how the finish kind of goes with it, but it's really taking the step back and looking at packs like 2010, 2011. 30:08.923 --> 30:15.749 [SPEAKER_00]: There's a level of similarity with Roy, it's not going a little bit with the way that he was presented as the kind of the champion 30:17.730 --> 30:25.016 [SPEAKER_00]: uh... with uh... tenaka now i mean i guess really the big differences that tenaka doesn't have the dragon get defense at this point 30:27.552 --> 30:50.027 [SPEAKER_00]: The fifth and final match in the mini-mix tape for Pack is his first ever Draingate shot against Schema from March 4th 2012 at Champion Gate and it's just a real kind of study and where this guy goes and essentially 24 to 36 months that he is essentially at this point already 30:50.627 --> 30:58.573 [SPEAKER_00]: challenging to become a Dragon Gate, a grand slam winner, and to be the first ever foreigner to have held the Dragon Gate title. 30:59.534 --> 31:10.302 [SPEAKER_00]: And for me, re-watching this back, I, it, it cemented a couple things and maybe some stuff that I want to pursue on my own about Shima. 31:12.323 --> 31:21.152 [SPEAKER_00]: It's an interesting match where Shima is very accommodating to Pax kind of style earlier, and then they plug into the typical Shima dream gate match. 31:21.192 --> 31:36.606 [SPEAKER_00]: And your mileage might vary on the typical Shima dream gate match, but this kind of was one I would say that the Pax does try to connect the selling of the early limb work into his finishing stretch. 31:36.666 --> 32:06.133 [SPEAKER_00]: But like the really cool thing about this match and something that I dearly miss in modern Dragon Gate is the seconds and the closing stretch because this is in that timeframe after the conclusion of Blood Wars in Junction 3, but before the units shake up of that year, fully kind of took form where Schema was already a part of, we our team veteran or team veteran returns always forget which one of those offhand is that, but he's already affiliated 32:07.313 --> 32:29.025 [SPEAKER_00]: Pack is with the guys that are the that would form world one international and the way that both Ricochet and Rich Juan just live and die by the near falls and Ricochet does the thing of getting on the apron and then like on the on the ropes and of course on food genius the other corners pitching a fit about that but 32:29.785 --> 32:42.717 [SPEAKER_00]: It's an interesting match and it's a display of the sort of explosiveness that I think gets really refined over the stretch of his career that he's been in Dragon Gate from Pack with. 32:42.817 --> 32:56.488 [SPEAKER_00]: Just the magnetism and I mean what happens when you take that and put it into a big Sheema singles match in 2012 and that's really what you kind of get there and that's what I kind of wanted to do with this 32:57.209 --> 33:22.071 [SPEAKER_00]: episode by and large and this kind of thing was get some matches that and of someone's career that we talk a lot about but we don't talk about in certain ways or we kind of keep him sometimes sometimes we keep pack just in the brave gate reign and sometimes we keep pack just into his return and his dream gate title but I really feel like that he was so much more than that as 33:22.671 --> 33:28.715 [SPEAKER_00]: At least to me, I feel like he's still the most eminent forner in the company's history. 33:29.215 --> 33:36.940 [SPEAKER_00]: This, I mean, it's been seven years since he's been in the company, but it still kind of feels that sort of way. 33:37.120 --> 33:44.165 [SPEAKER_00]: But hopefully, join the discord if you're not a part of Open the Voicegate channel and we can talk about these matches and kind of, 33:44.545 --> 33:57.896 [SPEAKER_00]: Celebrate a guy who's what felt like was a chiseled and granite record is likely going to come to a close next month and thought it'd be a good time in this break to kind of take some time into talk about that. 33:58.877 --> 34:09.666 [SPEAKER_00]: Now as we close out, let's preview the stuff we have coming up and Dragon Gate in 2020, 6 on the network and that is the across Fukuoka double header happening 34:13.817 --> 34:24.144 [SPEAKER_00]: I'll say the cards got released today, they're stuff about the cards that I'm super into and they're stuff about the cards that I wonder if I could pick and choose. 34:24.184 --> 34:28.007 [SPEAKER_00]: We'd have a much better six match card out of what we could pick and choose for that. 34:28.547 --> 34:31.129 [SPEAKER_00]: But let's get into it and I'll give my thoughts. 34:31.689 --> 34:38.614 [SPEAKER_00]: So this shows on the 21st on Sunday, as I assume case and I will be back on next week to review this. 34:38.654 --> 34:44.177 [SPEAKER_00]: We open with Amarang and Kazuma Kamora going up against Yuki Yoshioca and LCLO. 34:45.518 --> 34:54.184 [SPEAKER_00]: Single's match, Drogen, Bashi vs. Takashi, six man tag, Ultimo Dragon, Louis Monta and Flamita vs. Ginkihore, Gucci, 34:57.806 --> 35:00.408 [SPEAKER_00]: that this is just what Google Translate always has. 35:00.528 --> 35:03.570 [SPEAKER_00]: And Sylvia Zoo, she goes to our UK, but it's candy. 35:03.851 --> 35:06.172 [SPEAKER_00]: It's Yuzu, Shikanda, and Sachi Hoko, boy. 35:06.533 --> 35:17.301 [SPEAKER_00]: Match for Paradox versus Gacha Doko, Yamato, Dragon Kid, BB Hulk, and Sassuma, Yoko versus Madoka Kudakai, Jason Lee, and Yoshiki Kato. 35:17.321 --> 35:26.808 [SPEAKER_00]: The second singles match is more fallout of Kodama Nora's turn as he faces off against Eashin, interesting doing this one. 35:27.308 --> 35:43.096 [SPEAKER_00]: in Hakata and not in Korkin, but hey, I guess if we're looking at the fact that we're essentially five weeks from Kobe world, we need to get moving towards that Mino Yoshio versus team to a four match. 35:43.197 --> 35:47.459 [SPEAKER_00]: So having that here and in the main event we have another eight-man tag. 35:47.519 --> 35:48.920 [SPEAKER_00]: It's 11 piece versus 35:50.161 --> 35:59.041 [SPEAKER_00]: uh... natural vibes as it's uh... heo jackie kame reta and mochazuki junior versus drama she and jay kazy Gucci and hockey i find 36:00.969 --> 36:15.736 [SPEAKER_00]: The fact that a CLO going for a drinky is stuck in under an unaffulated muck as I as I will call like the kind of the situation there, a little bit kind of discouraging. 36:15.856 --> 36:28.582 [SPEAKER_00]: I like seeing CLO work against Amara and I think Komora is someone that I mean, if he's not getting attached to Tonaka gun, I don't know where he's going to go to. 36:29.542 --> 36:36.625 [SPEAKER_00]: Maybe he ends up with like Yoshioka and CLO and Meno with that, but in the same way, I still kind of feel like a year-in. 36:37.105 --> 36:40.206 [SPEAKER_00]: And we should have just put Camor and Paradox and we had the chance. 36:40.786 --> 36:45.127 [SPEAKER_00]: Uh, don't really have any time for match two or three on that show. 36:45.408 --> 36:50.109 [SPEAKER_00]: Uh, it is kind of a feeling of, oh gosh, we are in Western Japan. 36:50.129 --> 36:54.331 [SPEAKER_00]: So we have to have Ginky Horiguchi when I thought we kind of escaped that. 36:54.691 --> 36:55.291 [SPEAKER_00]: This is Esther. 36:55.791 --> 37:16.842 [SPEAKER_00]: Moving on to the evening part of the double-header, opening with Jackie Kamay versus Kota Manora, six-man tag, Ultimo Sachioka Boeing, and Kazuma Kamora versus Ginkihori Gucci, Takashi Anliwis Monte, Rita Milchizuki Jr. goes up against Kai and Yoshiki Kato, Yamato, Dragon Kid BB Holkins, 37:22.605 --> 37:28.793 [SPEAKER_00]: Yukio Shiyoka, Yo, Hamari, and Jason Lee could also see some menor involvement in that. 37:29.354 --> 37:40.309 [SPEAKER_00]: And we get a dream key preview match as Kazy and Sielo will be teaming up against the Kajadokuro team of Madoka Kakura and Asian and 37:41.109 --> 37:57.699 [SPEAKER_00]: I had to say I like the evening card a little bit more I do feel like that it will be kind of a test which is a better match between the love and peace and natural vibes match on the first show versus the pre-intermission match against paradox on this one. 37:58.380 --> 38:05.644 [SPEAKER_00]: Four-way tag feels weird just over that four-way singles match feels weird in match five and that just makes me raise my 38:09.643 --> 38:17.890 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it's like situationally, there's things I really like on the afternoon show and I do think that it's good to have that. 38:18.311 --> 38:24.756 [SPEAKER_00]: KZ and CLO bit at least in the evening show, but I guess if I put it on on one to 10 scale, 38:25.917 --> 38:33.304 [SPEAKER_00]: Probably about a five and a half, five and a half, maybe six, but that might be saying a little bit too excited than I'm actually really in. 38:34.045 --> 38:36.988 [SPEAKER_00]: But I think that's going to do it on this abbreviated voice gate. 38:37.008 --> 38:39.611 [SPEAKER_00]: Thanks for everyone for sticking with us this week. 38:39.911 --> 38:44.836 [SPEAKER_00]: Hopefully the PAC mini mix tape is a interesting enough little. 38:45.276 --> 38:56.505 [SPEAKER_00]: side quests that we had today and if y'all like it, I will try to find more stuff on the network to do things like this on slow weeks and not necessarily full heavy historical shows. 38:56.545 --> 39:11.718 [SPEAKER_00]: But, you know, just getting into the network and seeing what they have, I mean, a little frustrating that the champion gates are not easily accessible, like it just feels kind of weird to me that you go in the big match tab and champion gates 39:14.180 --> 39:16.481 [SPEAKER_00]: But that's going to do it this week on Open the Voice Gate. 39:16.521 --> 39:23.005 [SPEAKER_00]: You can follow me on Twitter at Fuji HAY of two eyes like Dawn Fuji Kase that underscoring your case. 39:23.325 --> 39:29.969 [SPEAKER_00]: There's also the Open 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