[SPEAKER_01]: Welcome back to Friends From Work.
[SPEAKER_01]: You guys are plus subscribers, so you know the rest of the spiel.
[SPEAKER_01]: Today it is Robbie and Kyle.
[SPEAKER_01]: We're going to be hosting a unique episode, Robbie.
[SPEAKER_01]: You know,
[SPEAKER_01]: Our rewatch journeys a full MCU rewatch before Avengers doomsday and I am currently at Miss Marvel.
[SPEAKER_01]: Where are you at?
[SPEAKER_00]: Wow, I am also at Miss Marvel.
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_01]: So you hit the brakes a while ago.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I have to now for a little bit.
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, yeah, in part part of it is.
[SPEAKER_00]: Betty's getting at a point now where she can she like gets distracted by by TV.
[SPEAKER_00]: And then I feel guilty watching as much around her as I used to.
[SPEAKER_00]: But yeah, I will say, yeah, I always kind of this is this is where I get bogged down it's part of why I've enjoyed the kind of streamlined watch order stuff for people that are trying to kind of get the momentum back because I think what's hard about this era.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's all these 22 things, even the projects I loved, just really did not move the ball forward.
[SPEAKER_00]: So it just starts to feel like you kind of have this momentum coming out of low key coming out of no way home where you're like, what is going on?
[SPEAKER_00]: And then it's just like, screech, like,
[SPEAKER_01]: I think that Loki quantumania Loki to no way home stretched hits so well I mean oh my goodness that I blaze through it we laughed we had chills love that this the tires screech like crazy during that and I don't know the exact order but the the Shangchi Miss Marvel She-Hulk
[SPEAKER_01]: will condo forever and you're right, that is the era where they're all just isolated projects that are totally unrelated to anything we did with Loki anything with quantum mania.
[SPEAKER_01]: We're going to tell you this quick side story about a kid in high school and so it's like yeah, I still think there are episodes of Miss Marvel that are really, really well done, but it is hard to just plow through them because yeah, it just feels yeah, feels peripheral for lack of a better word.
[SPEAKER_01]: But that's actually a great spot to be because today what I wanted to do, and this is going to be so Lucy Goosey, I want you to share your five favorite moments.
[SPEAKER_01]: during this rewatch, like since endgame as you've been going through and this could be emotional, this could be chill and do sing, this could be sad, really moving.
[SPEAKER_01]: But what are just five moments that stand out to you where you're like, wow, that was cool or that really connected with me.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, since this time.
[SPEAKER_01]: And we're going to rule out all the infinity saga stuff because, you know, makes it a little more fun to focus on some of this current stuff.
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, so for me, I have three, four, five of them that are right there, I'll kick us off with a couple that just narrowly miss the cut, okay, because I know they're not going to be yours either, but the mafisto conversation and I earn heart really work for me, that's an honorable mention, honorable mention,
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't think it's going to make my five, but I'm obsessed with Jane passing away in each other.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: And what have been thunder, just that whole final five minutes, how it's handled by Christian Bale, Chris Enzworth and Natalie Portman, Fisk, saying, Boo in that fight in the finale.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's not going to make my five, but just so good.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I don't think this is going to make my five, but I'm going to be a little bit
[SPEAKER_01]: Man, the fantastic for first conversation with Galactus when you hear his voice and you see his eyes turn on.
[SPEAKER_01]: And then the scape with the silver surfer and like the birth, like while they're trying to avoid her, that's seen it before.
[SPEAKER_00]: Pretty cool.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: So those are some that like the Yelena and Red Guardian conversation probably doesn't make my top five, but it moves me so much right outside after the failure.
[SPEAKER_01]: I know.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's where it gets like, it gets tough.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think, um, like they're, there's, there are somewhere like, like the Matt Murdoch reveal in no way home.
[SPEAKER_00]: There's a moment.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like, like, they're, there are little things like that.
[SPEAKER_00]: There are several moments like that and Deadpool and Wolverine that are arguably, you know, just kind of fan service.
[SPEAKER_00]: But like, that's one for me.
[SPEAKER_00]: I weirdly, really, like, for whatever reason, I just remember having a strong reaction to the first Sam Wilson as cap reveal and fuck a winter soldier.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I know that's controversial because I love that.
[SPEAKER_01]: I love that kind of pic.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like I like that like I like the new suit from the you know, the blue suit way more and everything but something about the first time he like comes through the window and like it's a bad truck with the shield.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think it's bad truck.
[SPEAKER_00]: I remember being like yeah, that's cool.
[SPEAKER_01]: And wow, I love that's a deep cut.
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, just look at every now and then that they're looking for.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm trying to think what else I had noted.
[SPEAKER_01]: as like a deep cut the fisk ball room dance in episode.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, season one as that's kind of coming to a head and bulls up the freaking out the kingpin reveal and Hawkeye was another really fun moment.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yep.
[SPEAKER_00]: The the first.
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, maybe I don't know if it's the first reveal.
[SPEAKER_00]: Maybe the the the the one where they're kind of fighting and sink.
[SPEAKER_00]: But the.
[SPEAKER_00]: the Mr. Knight Moon Knight transformation at the end.
[SPEAKER_00]: Was really fun.
[SPEAKER_00]: I do think for me like the moment where they're kind of doing the hand-offs to each other's.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's like not a top five for me, but those are all kind of different moments where I was watching something and got real pumped or real into it.
[SPEAKER_01]: So I guess I'm gonna start us then, officially with my six, this is my six one.
[SPEAKER_01]: I have to include this even though it's not five.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think Aunt May die.
[SPEAKER_00]: I know I thought about it.
[SPEAKER_01]: I know I thought about it.
[SPEAKER_01]: I thought about it.
[SPEAKER_00]: I thought about it.
[SPEAKER_01]: I thought about it.
[SPEAKER_00]: and unlocking things that the because Mary Jane doesn't die and it may doesn't die in the original Spider-Man.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like the thing that makes the Green Goblins Spider-Man's Nemesis is the fact that he kills Gwen Stacy, you know, it's like this brutal thing that had never really happened in comics
[SPEAKER_00]: a way that you couldn't have gotten it if they had done it in the first rainy because you have so much time with anime beforehand and it's such a gut punch the way that it happens and the way that they work in the the great power responsibility moment.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like that one that one gets me most most times I watch it.
[SPEAKER_01]: I've said it so many times, that's when the movie becomes special.
[SPEAKER_01]: The second the movie is special.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's an average movie to start.
[SPEAKER_01]: And then it gets special when Peter gets the Peter Tingle in the apartment of something's not right.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: It then becomes special because that fight with him in the hallway is awesome.
[SPEAKER_00]: And the Jakino score there too, whether there's some like coral stuff going on.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yep.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, oh, oh, yeah, the way he plays with the main theme, but now with the coral thing and there's some wine or tones to it with it I mean, and when freaking I have children out when happy pulls up and goes like, Peter Oh, man, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no,
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, 60 minutes left now.
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_01]: My number five is Loki solving time travel in season two.
[SPEAKER_01]: When he, when he snaps his finger and says, how do you know we haven't had this conversation already?
[SPEAKER_01]: And yeah, your man goes, okay.
[SPEAKER_01]: All right.
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: What chalk went up for Loki?
[SPEAKER_01]: I was, I was incorrect.
[SPEAKER_01]: Come over here.
[SPEAKER_01]: Let's have a conversation.
[SPEAKER_01]: just a really unbelievable finale to that.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'll just remember the Loki season one finale, and it took a rewatch to remember, oh my goodness, the season two finale might even be, or it's up there with as good.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: And then you go back to that scene, but then you still get this like crazy fulfilling character moments with people like Mobius.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Doesn't know what to do.
[SPEAKER_00]: And it makes, he who remains like a.
[SPEAKER_00]: even more interesting as a character like the different layers that are unlocked with season two, but it doesn't feel like a redcon, like it feels like that was the intention.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, but because I, I'm not sure, it's that we're not sure minor strictly in order.
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_01]: All right.
[SPEAKER_00]: Uh, close.
[SPEAKER_00]: Get it close.
[SPEAKER_00]: Some are, but so I'm just going to, since we're talking about
[SPEAKER_00]: between that and just the general kind of ascension of Loki at the end, which is such an epic moment at the end of season two.
[SPEAKER_00]: And the first episode of season one, and I think I ultimately decided on season one.
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, like the premiere, the very first episode, because I just, I have this
[SPEAKER_00]: thinking like this.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like this is what you do, like when you're like we've had end game, where do you go from here and then it like opens all the stuff up and it's such a cool new design and all these new ideas and that's like the way the TVA is introduced.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, that's the way like him watching back there is whole story with Mobius that scene in this like the amount of growth that you get from Loki in one episode and.
[SPEAKER_00]: I still think that's one of those like, oh man, the, the, and I think what I love so much about it is it promises something that when you fast forward to the end of of the whole series, the finale that you're talking about, it's delivered on, you know, so like I think those are like for me, I was almost thinking about this list in terms of like, okay, like,
[SPEAKER_00]: All right, let's do it like this is this is like we're cooking and this was one of those moments for me
[SPEAKER_01]: I love it.
[SPEAKER_01]: I love that moment, too.
[SPEAKER_01]: It also takes me back to a fun time in our podcast as a good era.
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, my number four then going up is it's going to be the Moon Knight asylum reveal.
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, yeah, how did I forget that?
[SPEAKER_01]: At the end of episode four, obviously a fun ongoing joke with our podcast is that you had seen that and had to sit on it for months and I didn't make it that far.
[SPEAKER_01]: My screen got shut off.
[SPEAKER_01]: But I just, that was a moment for me where I thought, I can't believe we're doing this, like that he's gonna get shot, actually die, but then we go to this, I literally thought something had happened to my TV, because it goes all black, and then slowly comes out as a flashlight, and I'm watching this old, talk to Steve, but they don't say his name right away.
[SPEAKER_01]: So you're like, what am I watching?
[SPEAKER_01]: But then that,
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[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, my number four is something that's very me, but the, the, the, like, putting on the cowl full yellow Wolverine suit reveal.
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, okay, and that Wolverine was like the most, like, contrived, but necessary moment.
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, like it's in a way that like the can only be done in a Deadpool movie where you have to recognize that fans have just been wanting that for had happened 20 years and 25 that makes a comment about it like, oh, right.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like, it's really, really fun.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like the way that they kind of balance the dead pool comedy vibe while also making, like there are some real chills moments in there.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm so excited to get there.
[SPEAKER_01]: I've only seen it twice.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's it.
[SPEAKER_01]: Never seen it again.
[SPEAKER_01]: So I almost don't even remember.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's gonna hit so good.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's the point in the rewatch.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm really excited about two.
[SPEAKER_00]: Right.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's the thing.
[SPEAKER_01]: If we can get through this era, Miss Marvel, she all will kind of forever, et cetera, then I look at the rewatch, the back half, just rip.
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, yeah, I really as soon as you hit, which we're, I mean, we're very, we're very close.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like as soon as you hit, yeah, right.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think even iron hard, because I don't like the side of the sea iron hard.
[SPEAKER_01]: Guardians three, I haven't seen again.
[SPEAKER_01]: Deadpool will have Thunderbolts, fantastic four.
[SPEAKER_00]: I know.
[SPEAKER_01]: Haven't watched a lot of those again.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's a great one.
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, keep in this moving along.
[SPEAKER_01]: We have 10 minutes left.
[SPEAKER_01]: Number three, I'm going to say the three Spider-Man, the conversation that they have, just the conversation they have, the fighting is cool, whatever, but just the fact that we got a moment for them to talk to each other.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm kind of cheating by saying in the school lab, but also on the Statue Liberty, that's stealing two different moments, but just like them like rehashing the differences in their characters, but it's so meta.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like we all know they're all different this way, but having them realize it was funny and endearing.
[SPEAKER_01]: And this is coming from someone who at the time didn't know I needed that.
[SPEAKER_01]: Remember, I was like, I don't know about the old Spider-Man movies.
[SPEAKER_01]: I've totally changed my tune on that, in fact, we'll have some talk about that in a little bit.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, but just that moment of them, you know, I've been to space.
[SPEAKER_01]: What are the Avengers of Peter three?
[SPEAKER_00]: Like all that stuff is just it's one of the reasons why I think that the extended edition that they put out of no way home, generally it it bloats it and makes something sloppy and the pacing gets off, but
[SPEAKER_00]: I am always drawn towards it when I rewatch it because of the extra time, like there's a couple more minutes, and I feel like the chemistry between those three actors is pretty great.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, it's so good.
[SPEAKER_00]: It is like it.
[SPEAKER_01]: I do feel like brothers.
[SPEAKER_01]: Almost.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I like sitting in that.
[SPEAKER_00]: That was one of my ticks here.
[SPEAKER_00]: So that's the first one that I think we've crossed over with.
[SPEAKER_00]: My number three is speaking of Guardians three, the whole way, the kind of final whole way fight.
[SPEAKER_00]: At the end of that one, which again, was a pretty, I think is a standout moment in a whole trilogy.
[SPEAKER_00]: And so, the Guardians is, oh, like, I'm tempted to forget about Guardians three,
[SPEAKER_00]: in the multiverse saga, say only because it's such its own thing, like it feels like it's a James gun movie at that point, not a Marvel movie.
[SPEAKER_01]: And he had already taken the DC job at that moment, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: So he was doing press for this while working for DC, which is interesting.
[SPEAKER_00]: But it is like it, you know, it's great.
[SPEAKER_00]: And it has some really big swing moments and the kind of gun mixing the heart with humor things.
[SPEAKER_00]: Uh, uh, another memorable theater.
[SPEAKER_01]: And yes, that's great.
[SPEAKER_01]: Um, we don't have to rehash my number two.
[SPEAKER_01]: My number two moment is the first he who remains conversation.
[SPEAKER_01]: The, the dread I felt when they finally get that door, Sylvie can't open it right away.
[SPEAKER_01]: And he's like, what are you waiting for?
[SPEAKER_01]: And she's like, no, I've had to process him a whole life.
[SPEAKER_01]: Then just that whole walk through the castle, that's what, like what you described for the premiere being like, this is what television is.
[SPEAKER_01]: that's when it hit me like oh they can still make this on par quality wise with the movie like i'm feeling all of the suspense i would feel with any movie and it looked good in the castle like the budget is not spared at all and then you you do get a reveal cracks in the
[SPEAKER_00]: and the floor in the walls.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yep, and it's tied in because miss minutes is like you can go back and you beat Thanos and I'll send you back.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's an option.
[SPEAKER_01]: You can do it's so it's so meaningful to the rest of the MCU and then a Jonathan majors.
[SPEAKER_01]: reveal.
[SPEAKER_01]: So that's like massive actor as well.
[SPEAKER_01]: And then then we decided to end the whole thing with just the conversation.
[SPEAKER_01]: That was probably the most I've been for 30 minutes in a row, like just jaw drop, like, what are we revealing here about the MCU in the future?
[SPEAKER_01]: It's it's so cool.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, six minutes.
[SPEAKER_01]: Man, uh, that's a good freaking moment, man.
[SPEAKER_01]: When he gets stabbed and it goes out the window.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, I didn't even say, maybe the best moment is Loki writing the movie is going like, he's coming running and he goes, yeah, who are you?
[SPEAKER_01]: And then it just zooms out and it's a new statue.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's Kang.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's unbelievable.
[SPEAKER_00]: I know.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's, and then again, it's delivered on so well.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, so number two is that yeah, but I you I've taken one of your or so it messes up your list.
[SPEAKER_00]: No, well, that's that's why I had extras though.
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, man, and some of these do get really hard.
[SPEAKER_00]: I I keep thinking like I had I had the the love and thunder ending on my my honorable mentions and it's right up there.
[SPEAKER_00]: like any one moment, but the Jane Foster one, man.
[SPEAKER_00]: I, we talked about it already.
[SPEAKER_00]: That is probably like the, the, my number six as well.
[SPEAKER_00]: So I'll, I'll state that.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think my number two, and it's insane.
[SPEAKER_01]: They made us care about Jane Foster.
[SPEAKER_01]: I just didn't care about that relationship at all.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think it might be the, the void climax and Thunderbolts.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, oh, I was thinking, Loki, but we just talked about that.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: I also have Bob Levittating for the first time just because I remember grabbing your leg.
[SPEAKER_01]: I didn't know this character at all and just slam get right shot at and then just his legs come off the ground.
[SPEAKER_01]: I grabbed you like, oh my gosh.
[SPEAKER_00]: But yeah, the the the hug at the end it's just never not going to do it for me and going through all the different rooms and like it just there's so much that's being done there.
[SPEAKER_00]: There
[SPEAKER_00]: they're really inverting a lot of what you expect from the big final battles, like they make you think it's going to be a huge kind of citywide battle at first and then it really isn't.
[SPEAKER_00]: It goes inward and that's so fitting with what the movie's doing, but the choreography is so cool and I really love the cinematography in that movie and that whole portion with the what the
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I think the, again, I love a lot of third acts of Marvel movies because I love Marvel movies and that's where a lot of the kind of big moments happen.
[SPEAKER_00]: But I also take the point of people that often criticize some of the third acts as being predictable or being the point where things, if they go off the rails, could go off the rails.
[SPEAKER_00]: And this is just such an
[SPEAKER_00]: And I don't know, I'm so excited to get to that movie and the, and the rewatch specifically.
[SPEAKER_01]: My last one, my number one, it's really hard for me to put my finger on why it's my number one.
[SPEAKER_01]: Because I didn't have like a traumatic past.
[SPEAKER_01]: So why does this resonate with me so much?
[SPEAKER_01]: I have to do a whole psychoanalysis on this, but it's, it's the what is grief.
[SPEAKER_00]: Wow, that was gonna be my number one.
[SPEAKER_01]: I just, there's something special happening there.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I don't, again, I don't know, on paper, like the walk through her trauma beforehand isn't, like it doesn't feel like it's setting it up, perfectly for me, or something.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's not like every scene is like life changing, but when they get to that moment.
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know if it's because it takes me back to civil war era.
[SPEAKER_01]: Obviously, the writing,
[SPEAKER_01]: is so elevated that people, you know, remember, I remember both of us thinking like, this is so good.
[SPEAKER_01]: Is this like a proverb?
[SPEAKER_01]: Like, is this, are they using this from something else?
[SPEAKER_01]: And I had to, I had to look up, like, no, someone just wrote for this.
[SPEAKER_01]: Um, I've never heard it phrase like that, but I think the key detail for me is vision laughing at the Malcolm in the middle show.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: The second time.
[SPEAKER_01]: I feel right.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: No, you're talking about.
[SPEAKER_01]: It gets me so wrecked because it's like, he is so empathizing with there.
[SPEAKER_01]: He's like, no, that's funny.
[SPEAKER_01]: Right.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like, that's what I'm supposed to laugh at as he's learning.
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know what it is.
[SPEAKER_01]: That moment.
[SPEAKER_01]: I get emotional thinking about now.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's, but it's weird.
[SPEAKER_01]: They're not real people.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I think like I would say like almost on par with that, it's her just saying goodbye to him once she accepts that.
[SPEAKER_01]: And then the town is giving in.
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know what it is.
[SPEAKER_01]: We have one minute left.
[SPEAKER_01]: That for some reason that will always just live on this pedestal for me.
[SPEAKER_01]: That like three minutes or five minutes that we get in this somewhere.
[SPEAKER_00]: I...
[SPEAKER_00]: I think that that is, that that's my number one, as well, which works for their time constraints.
[SPEAKER_00]: I, there's just something to do.
[SPEAKER_00]: Because of the way things got shifted around them looking and none of these would be my number one, but I do want to like with our last minute shout out like,
[SPEAKER_00]: One, man, I know it's like, recently biased to some degree, but that bull's eye diner scene was so good.
[SPEAKER_01]: Love that.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like it's such a weird moment to be like this moment where this villain kills a ton of people, but it was just such a, like it had so much style to it.
[SPEAKER_00]: I love that and then this is kind of cheating, but in our watch order, it's not the Mysterio like Peter Tingle moment and far from home.
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, there for me.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like just that whenever he's finally like he can work through it and yeah, and he stops the bullet is really sick.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, you got to go.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'll wrap us.
[SPEAKER_01]: So you go.
[SPEAKER_01]: Thanks everyone say bye, Robbie.
[SPEAKER_01]: Bye, Robbie.
[SPEAKER_01]: Have a good phone call.
[SPEAKER_01]: Thanks, Robbie.
[SPEAKER_00]: Bye.
[SPEAKER_01]: So yeah, I think that we basically touched on all the ones that I would have touched on anyways.
[SPEAKER_01]: Those are great extra callouts.
[SPEAKER_01]: What about you guys?
[SPEAKER_01]: What are your five favorite moments from the post end game multiverse era in the Marvel universe?
[SPEAKER_01]: I want to do a whole another episode on this with Robbie another day because
[SPEAKER_01]: One thing that watching a lot of other projects from other universes and other things and then watching some movies recently and then rewatching them so you has taught me is that I just again am a die on the cell that the criticism was way, way overdone.
[SPEAKER_01]: Doing an exercise like this reminds me that there are moments in these movies that hit as good as anything pre-engame.
[SPEAKER_01]: Um, and I think for the most part, it's been a, it's been a huge net positive.
[SPEAKER_01]: So I wanted to whole episode on that, um, some even even robber right there at the end, bringing up that, you know, the criticism of Marvel's third act.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm even starting to push back on that in general.
[SPEAKER_01]: They've so not struggled with that, especially recently, that I feel like that's an outdated take.
[SPEAKER_01]: And also, I think it's an outdated take in that, that's the issue with a lot of movies and shows.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like, the point is, it has to come to a climax.
[SPEAKER_01]: And so, almost any show I watch ends with kind of a climactic thing.
[SPEAKER_01]: So to act like,
[SPEAKER_01]: The movie quote unquote goes off the rails for Marvel, like more often than not that is not true, but that's like a lasting narrative that they had.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I just, I think the further I get away from it, the more I realize that's not the case.
[SPEAKER_01]: And they fixed it.
[SPEAKER_01]: One other thing that my rewatch taught me is that
[SPEAKER_01]: people, like even I think who was it recently?
[SPEAKER_01]: Was it Meryl Streep?
[SPEAKER_01]: Someone just generically criticized Marvel by saying, yeah, everybody wants their villains to be all bad and and all good and and not everyone's all bad and Marvel kind of set us on the wrong trajectory with that.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's something like that.
[SPEAKER_01]: Even that, I think is totally not fair in the multiverse saga.
[SPEAKER_01]: The villains
[SPEAKER_01]: Like if anything, go watch Disclosure Day and you tell me if that villains not one note.
[SPEAKER_01]: That villains a one note villain, that's just even Spielberg movie.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's not a, it's not a Marvel problem as my point.
[SPEAKER_01]: Thanos, their most famous villain, is maybe one of the most complex villains they've ever had.
[SPEAKER_01]: So it's just a terrible example to use as the poster child for non-great area diverse complex villains.
[SPEAKER_01]: Robby just brought up Mysterio Moon Knights Arthur Harrow.
[SPEAKER_01]: There's like, my fist is showing up.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like, it is not all one note.
[SPEAKER_01]: And so Marvel, really in the multiverse era, he remains, has gotten the villain really right.
[SPEAKER_01]: So yeah, I push back on that too.
[SPEAKER_01]: I just think there are some outdated narratives that this exercise proves to be true.
[SPEAKER_01]: And a lot to do a whole new episode on it because I'm not gonna do it by myself.
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