WEBVTT 00:01.829 --> 00:10.259 [SPEAKER_01]: previously on the handyman of West Texas, some women want light choking, spanking, hair pulling, that kind of stuff and how did you find light choking? 00:10.819 --> 00:13.102 [SPEAKER_01]: Light choking is you're not leaving anymore. 00:13.523 --> 00:29.637 [SPEAKER_04]: Handyman Mickey is suddenly plunged into a strange new world of unconventional desires and requests from a series of limit-pushing Midland Texas housewives, and some of these asks are just a bridge too far. 00:30.158 --> 00:33.520 [SPEAKER_01]: It's warm and warm in a puncher in the head, and I was like, I'm like, but did you punch her in the head? 00:33.541 --> 00:35.102 [SPEAKER_01]: In the head, she's like, punch me in the back of the head. 00:35.122 --> 00:36.863 [SPEAKER_01]: I was like, I am not going to do that. 00:37.604 --> 00:39.485 [SPEAKER_01]: She's like, it's okay, I want you to ask. 00:39.505 --> 00:42.788 [SPEAKER_01]: Like while you're, while you're doggy style, punch her in the back of the head. 00:42.828 --> 00:44.189 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, that's what she wanted. 00:44.249 --> 00:48.472 [SPEAKER_01]: I said, yeah, I'm not going to do that, you know, I'm not, that's, that's, that's not my thing. 00:48.512 --> 00:49.032 [SPEAKER_01]: What do you crazy? 00:55.197 --> 00:59.420 [SPEAKER_04]: I'm Jonathan Walton, and this is the handyman of West Texas. 01:00.821 --> 01:04.343 [SPEAKER_04]: Episode five, it's a one way street. 01:09.157 --> 01:11.118 [SPEAKER_01]: I shouldn't judge, but that sounds crazy to me. 01:11.578 --> 01:12.759 [SPEAKER_04]: Just because it sounds painful. 01:12.879 --> 01:14.100 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I was like, well, how would I do that? 01:14.120 --> 01:15.681 [SPEAKER_01]: What would you get out of that? 01:16.201 --> 01:18.603 [SPEAKER_01]: So, yeah, I don't do that. 01:18.623 --> 01:19.343 [SPEAKER_04]: What she upset? 01:19.823 --> 01:23.585 [SPEAKER_04]: She was, you know, she's like, please, you know, she's, she's, she's like, I do the punchy thing. 01:23.605 --> 01:29.169 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and I was like, yeah, at that point, I was turned off, I was like, yeah, this, this, it's over. 01:29.589 --> 01:31.310 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, we got to call it quits. 01:34.301 --> 01:42.225 [SPEAKER_04]: I got to say that last episode really shook me to my core and sent me down a bunch of bizarre rabbit holes. 01:42.985 --> 01:51.490 [SPEAKER_04]: I just can't understand why anyone would want to get punched in the back of the head during sex or choked or hurt in any way. 01:52.150 --> 01:53.271 [SPEAKER_04]: I just don't get it. 01:53.951 --> 02:16.507 [SPEAKER_04]: So I reached out to the world's leading sex expert, a woman with a New York Times best-selling book on human sexuality and the number one podcast about sex, and her assistant emailed me back saying she did not feel comfortable speaking on this topic, the Donkey Punching topic, and she wished me luck finding someone who would. 02:17.247 --> 02:25.191 [SPEAKER_04]: So, I reached out to the second world's leading human sexuality expert with the New York Times bestselling book in a podcast. 02:25.951 --> 02:27.672 [SPEAKER_04]: And she said no, too. 02:28.432 --> 02:33.034 [SPEAKER_04]: As did the third, fourth, and fifth experts, I contacted. 02:33.474 --> 02:38.837 [SPEAKER_04]: That's why there are sex therapists at my buddy and executive producer of this podcast, Evan Goldstein. 02:39.162 --> 02:43.406 [SPEAKER_03]: That's why there are like doctors who, you know, focus on this kind of thing. 02:43.646 --> 02:44.667 [SPEAKER_04]: None of whom would talk to me. 02:45.188 --> 02:47.630 [SPEAKER_04]: Nobody wants to talk about getting donkey punched and why. 02:48.171 --> 02:48.611 [SPEAKER_04]: I don't know. 02:48.991 --> 02:49.952 [SPEAKER_04]: Nobody wants to talk about it. 02:49.972 --> 02:51.193 [SPEAKER_04]: Well, maybe, did you lead with that? 02:51.674 --> 02:52.054 [SPEAKER_04]: I did. 02:52.415 --> 02:55.998 [SPEAKER_04]: Because I don't want to misrepresent myself when I reach out to like his experts. 02:56.138 --> 02:58.841 [SPEAKER_04]: So they think I'm baiting and switching them and I'm not. 02:59.261 --> 03:00.222 [SPEAKER_04]: I want to be upfront. 03:00.262 --> 03:03.165 [SPEAKER_04]: I want to know what do you know about donkey punching. 03:03.685 --> 03:08.307 [SPEAKER_04]: Why on God's green earth would a woman want to get punched in the back of the head during sex? 03:08.347 --> 03:09.748 [SPEAKER_04]: Why would she want to get donkey punched? 03:09.768 --> 03:15.511 [SPEAKER_03]: I think we could all agree that people would be kind of shocked if that was asked of you. 03:15.691 --> 03:16.131 [SPEAKER_03]: I would be. 03:16.711 --> 03:19.573 [SPEAKER_03]: Would you be if someone was just like, hey, just punched me in the back of the head? 03:19.613 --> 03:19.973 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah. 03:20.393 --> 03:20.693 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah. 03:20.893 --> 03:22.014 [SPEAKER_04]: I would be freaked out. 03:27.917 --> 03:30.418 [SPEAKER_03]: So there really is kind of a connection between like 03:31.238 --> 03:32.078 [SPEAKER_03]: pain and pleasure. 03:32.178 --> 03:39.522 [SPEAKER_03]: Like in your body, it's like people talk about BDSM, about even like eating like super hot peppers. 03:39.622 --> 03:40.643 [SPEAKER_04]: It's like that's another thing. 03:40.683 --> 03:46.586 [SPEAKER_04]: They like to like punish themselves with like the hot peppers, but it feels good and like not for me though. 03:46.846 --> 03:48.047 [SPEAKER_04]: No, not for me there, right? 03:48.207 --> 03:49.127 [SPEAKER_04]: But it hurt that. 03:49.147 --> 03:49.968 [SPEAKER_04]: It hurts with feels good. 03:49.988 --> 03:52.469 [SPEAKER_03]: I'm like no, for me it hurts and I want to get away from that. 03:52.509 --> 03:54.250 [SPEAKER_03]: It triggers endorphins in your body. 03:54.270 --> 03:55.911 [SPEAKER_03]: So it's kind of like a natural high. 03:55.971 --> 03:56.451 [SPEAKER_03]: So it's like, 04:01.552 --> 04:02.512 [SPEAKER_03]: You know, kink. 04:04.233 --> 04:06.194 [SPEAKER_04]: I guess some people are just wired differently. 04:06.254 --> 04:06.855 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, no. 04:07.735 --> 04:09.396 [SPEAKER_04]: And would you say it's miswired? 04:09.676 --> 04:11.557 [SPEAKER_04]: Is it a childhood trauma thing? 04:11.617 --> 04:12.757 [SPEAKER_04]: No, I don't know. 04:12.898 --> 04:17.000 [SPEAKER_03]: I think it's just so hard to kind of quantify anything completely. 04:17.220 --> 04:19.041 [SPEAKER_03]: You know, I think it's probably case by case. 04:19.241 --> 04:27.945 [SPEAKER_04]: And despite the fact that all the sex experts I contacted do not want to talk about this with me, there's actually a ton of research out there on this topic. 04:28.345 --> 04:39.389 [SPEAKER_04]: In fact, the scientific reasoning for why somebody would want to be punched or choked or slapped or otherwise physically hurt during sex is all over the map. 04:40.349 --> 04:53.794 [SPEAKER_04]: One explanation posits that when the body experiences pain, it releases endorphins, like Evan said, neurotransmitters that act as natural pain killers and create a sense of euphoria. 04:54.494 --> 04:59.955 [SPEAKER_04]: And in a sexual context, these endorphins can create a high or a rush. 05:00.955 --> 05:09.017 [SPEAKER_04]: Neuroscientific research also shows that pain and pleasure activate the same exact areas of the brain. 05:09.637 --> 05:20.559 [SPEAKER_04]: And in some people, this close proximity allows for sort of miswiring and a reinterpretation of intense pain as intense pleasure. 05:21.279 --> 05:34.362 [SPEAKER_04]: And then there's something called the subspace effect, where pain can act as a form of escapism, allowing individuals to focus entirely on the present moment, and disengage from daily stress. 05:35.122 --> 05:36.682 [SPEAKER_03]: It's like 50 shades of gray. 05:37.223 --> 05:39.343 [SPEAKER_03]: Huge global phenomenon, yes. 05:40.363 --> 05:41.544 [SPEAKER_00]: Do you want to punish me right now? 05:41.864 --> 05:43.084 [SPEAKER_03]: I want to punish you right now. 05:43.704 --> 05:44.244 [SPEAKER_00]: Punish me. 05:45.124 --> 05:46.325 [SPEAKER_00]: Show me how bad it can be. 05:46.645 --> 05:47.765 [SPEAKER_00]: I want you to show me the worst. 05:48.360 --> 05:49.720 [SPEAKER_03]: And it's all about BDSM. 05:49.780 --> 05:52.941 [SPEAKER_03]: It's all about the master slave relationship, and it's a pleasure pain. 05:53.401 --> 05:55.802 [SPEAKER_03]: And it went or pain as pleasure. 05:56.062 --> 05:57.703 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I mean, that's what we're talking about. 05:57.743 --> 05:59.663 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, right, pain as pleasure. 06:00.683 --> 06:01.864 [SPEAKER_03]: 50 shit to fuck up. 06:02.564 --> 06:09.946 [SPEAKER_04]: So that's why some of these wealthy West Texas housewives would want Mickey to punch them in the back of a head during sex. 06:10.606 --> 06:16.548 [SPEAKER_04]: But the reason why someone would want to be the person throwing that punch is vastly different. 06:23.927 --> 06:27.808 [SPEAKER_04]: when you punch someone, you get a reflexive response, everything tightens up. 06:28.389 --> 06:33.410 [SPEAKER_04]: So if you're a guy going at it, you want everything to tighten up that you can get that sensation so great. 06:33.511 --> 06:40.673 [SPEAKER_04]: I can understand from a sensation standpoint why they would want that as horrible as it is, why you'd want to punch someone like that. 06:41.293 --> 06:43.254 [SPEAKER_04]: That would take my boner completely away. 06:43.454 --> 06:44.575 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, hitting someone. 06:44.815 --> 06:48.116 [SPEAKER_04]: I have bent over backwards trying to understand because that's what I do. 06:48.416 --> 06:50.917 [SPEAKER_04]: I want to understand everyone's point of view because I'm that guy. 06:51.437 --> 06:55.058 [SPEAKER_04]: And for the life of me, I just can't understand how anyone would get off and hurting someone. 06:55.518 --> 07:03.901 [SPEAKER_04]: I can't even watch, I can't watch UFC fighting because when I see the punch, like I feel it, physically feel the punch I'm watching. 07:03.981 --> 07:04.421 [SPEAKER_04]: I can't. 07:04.841 --> 07:08.542 [SPEAKER_04]: Like I can feel for other people and that's got more sensitive as I've gotten older. 07:08.903 --> 07:13.164 [SPEAKER_04]: I can't watch those even though those Instagram videos were the fails or people fall. 07:13.384 --> 07:14.185 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, watch them. 07:14.285 --> 07:15.586 [SPEAKER_03]: Oh, yeah, someone breaks their legs. 07:15.606 --> 07:17.327 [SPEAKER_04]: I feel it, because it hurts me. 07:17.647 --> 07:19.689 [SPEAKER_04]: It literally physically hurts you and watch it. 07:19.769 --> 07:20.109 [SPEAKER_04]: I can't. 07:20.389 --> 07:22.231 [SPEAKER_04]: So I don't much less giving someone pain. 07:22.271 --> 07:22.551 [SPEAKER_04]: I can't. 07:23.031 --> 07:27.034 [SPEAKER_04]: And it turns out, Handyman Mickey is just like me. 07:27.675 --> 07:29.656 [SPEAKER_04]: Give her take a Coca-Cola can. 07:30.434 --> 07:39.700 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I don't do those things just because first of all, it's, everyone has their different kings, different things that turn them on, but that doesn't do anything for me. 07:39.900 --> 07:42.381 [SPEAKER_01]: And sometimes it has the opposite effect, turns me off. 07:42.762 --> 07:43.642 [SPEAKER_04]: You can't hurt a woman. 07:43.702 --> 07:47.765 [SPEAKER_04]: Plus, yeah, it's, that's one of the things that is critical to everything you're about. 07:47.825 --> 07:48.245 [SPEAKER_04]: Exactly. 07:48.565 --> 07:51.407 [SPEAKER_01]: So, yeah, there's just something that I refuse to do. 07:51.787 --> 07:58.932 [SPEAKER_01]: And there's quite a bit of people out there that, that's their thing, they want to be hurt, they want to be degraded, 08:00.175 --> 08:03.036 [SPEAKER_01]: You know, treated poorly, I'm like, yeah, I'm sorry. 08:03.416 --> 08:04.236 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm not going to do that. 08:04.376 --> 08:07.817 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yeah, I'm sure it's taking me. 08:08.397 --> 08:14.118 [SPEAKER_04]: But Mickey still manages to happily fulfill a lot of other listivious requests. 08:22.240 --> 08:24.001 [SPEAKER_01]: Do they ever ask to be tied up? 08:24.581 --> 08:26.461 [SPEAKER_01]: Yes, yes, and that's a thing you'll do. 08:26.581 --> 08:27.161 [SPEAKER_01]: And I'll do that. 08:27.842 --> 08:29.622 [SPEAKER_01]: Now you cannot time me up, you know? 08:31.133 --> 08:32.074 [SPEAKER_01]: So one way straight. 08:32.094 --> 08:32.214 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. 08:32.254 --> 08:33.334 [SPEAKER_01]: It's a one way straight. 08:33.574 --> 08:41.959 [SPEAKER_01]: You know, they were like, oh, that's, you're so, you're so, you know, and I'm like, yeah, I don't know you, you know, so they want you to tie them up. 08:42.019 --> 08:42.239 [SPEAKER_04]: Yes. 08:42.679 --> 08:43.460 [SPEAKER_04]: And do what? 08:43.500 --> 08:45.161 [SPEAKER_04]: Have sex with them while they're tied up. 08:46.141 --> 08:47.062 [SPEAKER_01]: Tees them about it. 08:47.182 --> 08:50.344 [SPEAKER_01]: You know, it's almost the anticipation more than the actual act. 08:51.044 --> 08:52.005 [SPEAKER_01]: You know, because they, they, 08:53.152 --> 08:56.413 [SPEAKER_01]: that are powerless, we have power over there whenever they want that. 08:56.433 --> 09:01.856 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't take advantage of the situation, but I tease them to the point where they can't take me anymore. 09:01.916 --> 09:03.256 [SPEAKER_04]: How do you tease them when they're tied up? 09:03.276 --> 09:03.877 [SPEAKER_04]: What do you say? 09:04.257 --> 09:09.559 [SPEAKER_01]: Just a lot of licking a lot of touching, just like you sexually, yes, sexually tease. 09:09.779 --> 09:10.840 [SPEAKER_01]: Wilder tied up. 09:11.620 --> 09:15.802 [SPEAKER_01]: They're begging for making weight, making weight, making weight, giving a little taste. 09:17.977 --> 09:42.171 [SPEAKER_01]: build carbacks coming yeah situation so do you bring rope can these scenarios do they have they have rope yeah I don't come with the kid like what do you want all right I got this I got that yeah they have the rope and it's a time yeah it's usually something that got a sex shop you know so it sits like real rope yeah now and where are you tying them up on a bed on the ground on the bed post sometimes to uh 09:44.972 --> 10:12.445 [SPEAKER_01]: uh... spready go over the tidying room table you're tied to the legs of the table kind of deal whoo now i'm getting a visual so she's spready go tied up in the dining room table and you're just taunting her teasing her yeah something they have feathers or sometimes they have little you know props props to use stuff like that sometimes like to be blindfolded so i don't know when it's coming or where you're at that kind of thing and then they'll ask can i tie you up yeah that's the kind of 10:14.066 --> 10:17.069 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I put it more gently than that, but that never happens. 10:17.109 --> 10:18.411 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I don't want to be tied up here. 10:18.431 --> 10:19.832 [SPEAKER_01]: That seems like a terrifying thing. 10:19.912 --> 10:22.134 [SPEAKER_01]: It is, especially with a stranger, like, exactly. 10:25.277 --> 10:33.445 [SPEAKER_01]: Sometimes if it has me to put on a hat or wear boots or, you know, like, it's a Texas thing, they want me to have spurs. 10:38.253 --> 10:45.727 [SPEAKER_01]: And I was like, you know, okay, you know, out to an extent, I'll go along with their fantasy, whatever their fantasy may be. 10:46.488 --> 10:47.049 [SPEAKER_01]: But, uh, 10:48.217 --> 10:53.561 [SPEAKER_01]: I've never come across one where they wanted something that I wasn't willing to do. 10:54.382 --> 10:57.344 [SPEAKER_01]: I wanted to put on a mask and we'll put on cowboy hat. 10:59.025 --> 11:03.348 [SPEAKER_01]: If you have a little roleplay that is your thing, I can do it as the side can. 11:04.469 --> 11:05.669 [SPEAKER_01]: I can throw on an accent. 11:06.250 --> 11:08.131 [SPEAKER_01]: What kind of accent could be a country boy? 11:08.752 --> 11:12.214 [SPEAKER_01]: The common girl who arrived this rodeo, that kind of thing. 11:13.415 --> 11:13.995 [SPEAKER_01]: But yeah. 11:15.714 --> 11:22.911 [SPEAKER_01]: It all depends on what the women want, if they have a specific fantasy in mind, you know, I do my best to help them fulfill it. 11:26.526 --> 11:38.554 [SPEAKER_04]: playing dress up and using a cowboy voice is one thing, but there are also several housewives who want Mickey to simulate a rap scene where they're the victim. 11:39.254 --> 11:44.998 [SPEAKER_04]: They want Mickey to break into their homes, hold them down and have sex with them. 11:45.639 --> 11:52.003 [SPEAKER_04]: They'll act as if they're resisting, but ultimately they want Mickey to overpower them and have his way with them. 11:52.578 --> 11:55.982 [SPEAKER_01]: They want to do rape fantasies, and yeah, that's, that's just not my thing. 11:57.103 --> 12:05.271 [SPEAKER_01]: And you gotta be careful because it's, it's a fine line where it can go into, you know, problematic situation where, you know, 12:06.127 --> 12:08.349 [SPEAKER_01]: if we're pretending to be like it, then it looks like it. 12:08.669 --> 12:12.593 [SPEAKER_01]: And that's the last thing I want to be putting in a situation like this guy raped me. 12:12.853 --> 12:15.916 [SPEAKER_01]: It's like, no, she asked me that this is a real thing though. 12:16.056 --> 12:16.236 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. 12:16.376 --> 12:22.601 [SPEAKER_04]: The women want to be raped or pretend to be raped or it's a fantasy, but how do you know in their mind where that fantasy will end? 12:22.861 --> 12:23.302 [SPEAKER_01]: Exactly. 12:29.226 --> 12:42.802 [SPEAKER_04]: If a woman has the presence of mine to ask you to quote unquote rape her or, you know, she'll pretend to get away from you and you have to hold it down or whatever, what if she also wants to watch you charged with rape? 12:43.847 --> 12:48.290 [SPEAKER_04]: get arrested, like that's part of the fantasy too, I want this to be a real rapist. 12:48.550 --> 13:09.245 [SPEAKER_04]: There are in fact truly crazy people in the world, masquerading as regular people, and you never know what their actual intentions are with you until it's much too late, especially when it comes to sexual fantasies, a classic phrasier episode demonstrates what I'm talking about perfectly. 13:13.493 --> 13:14.254 [SPEAKER_01]: Do you watch Frasier? 13:14.654 --> 13:16.015 [SPEAKER_01]: I've watched Frasier, I don't know. 13:16.075 --> 13:18.236 [SPEAKER_01]: I've seen every episode of Frasier a hundred times. 13:18.657 --> 13:27.423 [SPEAKER_04]: In this episode, Frasier, wrong to guy in the past when he was a boy at school, the kid eventually ended up in reform school and it led him to a life of crime, Frasier thought. 13:27.443 --> 13:29.004 [SPEAKER_04]: So Frasier was trying to make a men's. 13:29.965 --> 13:35.369 [SPEAKER_04]: So Frasier goes to see the guy in jail, and then at some point Frasier meets the guy's girlfriend. 13:35.809 --> 13:40.933 [SPEAKER_04]: So this guy's girlfriend in the Frasier episode has this fantasy of getting caught. 13:41.653 --> 13:44.876 [SPEAKER_04]: Like, so she invites Frazier over to help her with something. 13:45.076 --> 13:47.118 [SPEAKER_04]: She knows the guy is coming out of jail now. 13:47.538 --> 13:51.902 [SPEAKER_04]: So she seducizes Frazier because she wants the guy to see her banging Frazier. 13:51.922 --> 13:52.323 [SPEAKER_04]: Oh, wow. 13:53.083 --> 13:54.625 [SPEAKER_04]: And Frazier learns his Frazier? 13:54.785 --> 13:56.186 [SPEAKER_03]: Yes, oh, it's a great episode. 13:57.067 --> 14:00.731 [SPEAKER_04]: But Fraser learns too late that this is her thing she wants to get caught. 14:12.576 --> 14:16.539 [SPEAKER_04]: And then even when the guy comes home, a phrase or hides behind a curtain. 14:17.159 --> 14:22.723 [SPEAKER_04]: And, you know, she's hoping the guy finds Fraser, but she doesn't want to tell the guy, he's over there. 14:23.103 --> 14:26.366 [SPEAKER_04]: She wants to watch him find Fraser on his own. 14:26.606 --> 14:33.210 [SPEAKER_04]: So to get out of that, Fraser holds a lighter up to the fire sprinkler and sets off the fire alarm for the building. 14:35.072 --> 14:40.596 [SPEAKER_04]: So this is a long walk for possibly a short drink of water, but this is a real thing, though. 14:49.147 --> 14:55.071 [SPEAKER_03]: There's a lot of people that you don't know and what their motivation is and maybe it's just to get someone in trouble. 14:55.291 --> 14:57.032 [SPEAKER_04]: My buddy again, Evan Goldstein. 14:57.492 --> 14:57.893 [SPEAKER_04]: Exactly. 14:57.913 --> 14:59.534 [SPEAKER_04]: Which could be another part of the fantasy. 14:59.714 --> 14:59.954 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah. 15:00.034 --> 15:01.495 [SPEAKER_04]: I want to watch this guy get arrested. 15:01.515 --> 15:03.756 [SPEAKER_04]: I get arrested because that's the power I have. 15:03.796 --> 15:05.037 [SPEAKER_04]: I can put people behind ball. 15:05.057 --> 15:05.357 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah. 15:05.437 --> 15:09.060 [SPEAKER_03]: So, you know, I think it's pretty smart to kind of say no. 15:09.200 --> 15:10.781 [SPEAKER_03]: You know, I can totally understand why. 15:12.052 --> 15:33.447 [SPEAKER_03]: you know a stranger a woman he doesn't know at all no history he's just going into these situations and it becomes the most intimate thing in the world yeah you know like penetration you know Coca-Cola can penetration like oh my god that's a different level Coca-Cola can thickness is literally room for nothing else 15:34.227 --> 16:02.357 [SPEAKER_03]: yeah there are people who are fucking crazy yeah and you don't know they look like regular people i mean look my fucking con artist who scammed me for four years and i thought she was my best friend like there are people who are just crazy oh yeah and you don't know i heard like a radio show many years ago i think it was like a doctor drew do you remember doctor drew and he was like bloodline yeah love line so like they have all these people calling in talking about their sex problems i remember there's this one woman who called up 16:03.607 --> 16:09.696 [SPEAKER_03]: And she's just like the very new girlfriend of casually dating the sky and they would have sex with condoms. 16:10.823 --> 16:16.928 [SPEAKER_03]: and she called in and she said, before we had sex, I would take a needle and poke a hole in the condoms. 16:17.148 --> 16:20.170 [SPEAKER_04]: Oh my god, so that like she wants to get pregnant. 16:20.390 --> 16:26.034 [SPEAKER_03]: Finish in the condom, you know, inside to get to kind of lock him into something. 16:26.454 --> 16:28.616 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, you know, that kind of deviant thing. 16:28.636 --> 16:29.897 [SPEAKER_03]: And that always stuck with me. 16:30.477 --> 16:36.101 [SPEAKER_04]: Or it's just like, oh my god, there are people that are just, yeah, to your face, they seem sane. 16:36.121 --> 16:39.504 [SPEAKER_04]: I know yeah, I put a condom on, but secretly she's poking holes in the condom. 16:40.269 --> 16:41.169 [SPEAKER_04]: Like, that's crazy too. 16:41.650 --> 16:48.892 [SPEAKER_03]: There's so many brands of crazy, and you never know what brand you're going to get until you actually open up the container and see what's inside. 16:49.172 --> 16:49.452 [SPEAKER_04]: I know. 16:50.073 --> 16:55.535 [SPEAKER_04]: And that's why, as I, the older I get, I value like our friendship and other friendships have had a long time. 16:55.595 --> 16:55.835 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah. 16:56.115 --> 16:59.137 [SPEAKER_04]: It's like you know that I'm not crazy and I know that you're not crazy. 16:59.157 --> 17:00.618 [SPEAKER_03]: You know, you've got to weed those people out. 17:00.758 --> 17:03.079 [SPEAKER_04]: We've seen each other through the best and worst of time. 17:03.159 --> 17:04.980 [SPEAKER_04]: So we've seen every facet, yeah. 17:05.280 --> 17:09.443 [SPEAKER_04]: But people you're just meeting like you don't fucking know if they're going to think about them. 17:09.743 --> 17:16.807 [SPEAKER_03]: Get you arrested or poke a hole in the condom or, you know, you've gotten, gotten that lesson hard to promote. 17:16.867 --> 17:17.687 [SPEAKER_03]: I've learned it the hard way. 17:17.767 --> 17:18.028 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah. 17:18.408 --> 17:18.568 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah. 17:19.028 --> 17:19.208 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah. 17:19.308 --> 17:21.970 [SPEAKER_04]: Why am I book an Academy of Accounts? 17:22.470 --> 17:23.071 [SPEAKER_03]: It's really good. 17:23.151 --> 17:23.551 [SPEAKER_04]: Thanks man. 17:30.745 --> 17:38.550 [SPEAKER_04]: Earlier, before we started recording, you were telling me, there was a prevalence of this kind of kink in repressive. 17:39.551 --> 17:41.752 [SPEAKER_04]: cultures and repressive parts of the country. 17:42.092 --> 17:45.333 [SPEAKER_04]: And my God, Midland, Texas, Texas Bible Belt. 17:45.573 --> 17:47.093 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, super conservative. 17:47.513 --> 17:50.634 [SPEAKER_04]: But under the service, there are these women who want to get punched in the head. 17:50.674 --> 17:54.455 [SPEAKER_03]: He want to get, there is a, you know, sexual repression. 17:54.635 --> 17:58.156 [SPEAKER_03]: It is kind of a direct, there is a link. 17:58.196 --> 18:03.237 [SPEAKER_03]: It's not like the only thing, but there is a link to kind of deviant thoughts. 18:03.977 --> 18:05.518 [SPEAKER_03]: You know, like when you kind of smash, 18:06.378 --> 18:34.082 [SPEAKER_03]: a fantasy so deep down and you're not willing to face it or even talk about it like that's a certain kind of struggle that you know people have to deal with and it comes out and weird ways you know and sometimes negative ways oh because also at the same time sure it's illegal I'm sure you know it's sex work yeah I mean it's sex work yeah and isn't that isn't that another weird thing sex work is illegal but if you're making pornography which in some of these cases he is that's not illegal 18:38.411 --> 18:41.273 [SPEAKER_04]: So, I have a question for you about Mickey. 18:41.453 --> 18:41.653 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah. 18:43.654 --> 18:56.041 [SPEAKER_03]: When you're interviewing him about these kind of like very explicit stories, like what's where are you like turned on or you intrigued or you what's kind of your state? 18:57.421 --> 19:03.785 [SPEAKER_03]: Because it's like you guys are going over the most intimate stuff you're looking at, like videos, you know, in having sex on his phone videos were hot. 19:04.615 --> 19:17.347 [SPEAKER_04]: the videos were hot and I'm a gay guy but I still watch straight porn and I think it's hot and his eight and a half Coca-Cola can't like that's it's impressive and yeah I am both in awe and yeah I'm a little turned on. 19:19.130 --> 19:21.571 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, I'm a little turned on, but, you know, I got a job to do. 19:21.591 --> 19:28.734 [SPEAKER_04]: It's okay to say, I got to get, I think it's, I think I think, I think it's helpful to be turned on by things. 19:29.094 --> 19:36.297 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, but again, that it's a, I'm a little turned on, but I know I have a job to do and we've got to get through this and I can't, I would never do anything inappropriate. 19:37.257 --> 19:39.139 [SPEAKER_04]: You know, compromise the situation. 19:39.159 --> 19:39.799 [SPEAKER_04]: No, I know that. 19:39.819 --> 19:44.864 [SPEAKER_04]: I thought about it would be a good, you know, to record my reaction like having whip his dick out. 19:46.205 --> 19:47.125 [SPEAKER_04]: That would be funny to hear. 19:47.786 --> 19:50.628 [SPEAKER_04]: But then I feel like, I feel like that's crossing a line. 19:50.749 --> 19:51.109 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, yeah. 19:51.309 --> 19:52.130 [SPEAKER_04]: Like whip your dick out. 19:52.150 --> 19:56.433 [SPEAKER_04]: Like I feel like I'm, you know, that would just be like making him like a, not a person anymore. 19:56.473 --> 19:57.174 [SPEAKER_04]: Just an object. 19:57.454 --> 20:00.177 [SPEAKER_03]: You know, it's like if someone asks you to describe it. 20:00.617 --> 20:00.977 [SPEAKER_03]: I don't know. 20:01.137 --> 20:01.538 [SPEAKER_03]: I feel, 20:03.633 --> 20:05.354 [SPEAKER_03]: I think everybody knows pretty much in the mind. 20:05.694 --> 20:11.556 [SPEAKER_04]: The thing, the thing that I described it, I saw pictures and videos in action, even though it was in things. 20:11.856 --> 20:13.076 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah. 20:13.256 --> 20:15.517 [SPEAKER_04]: It's big and thick from tip the shaft. 20:15.857 --> 20:18.178 [SPEAKER_04]: It's a formidable force. 20:18.518 --> 20:21.719 [SPEAKER_04]: And I can understand why he's so popular in that part of the country. 20:21.739 --> 20:23.800 [SPEAKER_03]: I think there's, you know, like, 20:24.855 --> 20:50.161 [SPEAKER_03]: The thing about Mickey is that like he is fantasy embodied as a man, the anonymous sex, the like no strings attached pleasure, there's like, and even for men, it's like, you know, to be Mickey, so like, oh, he's, he is having sex with 200, maybe as we've learned, not tens, all tens, not all tens, but he said something so profound in the last episode. 20:51.406 --> 20:53.108 [SPEAKER_01]: all women are attractive in one way or another. 20:53.388 --> 20:55.710 [SPEAKER_01]: I got to find that attractiveness in that person. 20:56.431 --> 20:59.454 [SPEAKER_04]: It sounds like he's having a lot of fun and he really truly enjoys it. 20:59.474 --> 21:00.154 [SPEAKER_04]: He does enjoy it. 21:00.575 --> 21:06.921 [SPEAKER_04]: He enjoys giving pleasure and it goes back to this Hindu philosophy that I subscribe to many years ago when I interview the swami. 21:13.273 --> 21:15.114 [SPEAKER_04]: and the joy of others lies our own. 21:15.355 --> 21:15.595 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah. 21:15.835 --> 21:16.155 [SPEAKER_04]: So true. 21:16.175 --> 21:18.097 [SPEAKER_03]: I think you quote that before. 21:18.337 --> 21:18.737 [SPEAKER_04]: It's true. 21:18.837 --> 21:27.524 [SPEAKER_04]: You know, if you're someone who is depressed and dysfunctional and plugged out and you don't feel like doing anything, get off your ass and help people. 21:27.904 --> 21:29.705 [SPEAKER_04]: Get off your ass and bring joy to people. 21:29.805 --> 21:30.826 [SPEAKER_04]: It will make you happy. 21:30.886 --> 21:31.126 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah. 21:31.226 --> 21:32.107 [SPEAKER_04]: That's what's missing. 21:32.447 --> 21:39.452 [SPEAKER_04]: All these billionaires in their sequestered yachts and mansions and so cut off from, you know, the human experience. 21:39.693 --> 21:39.913 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah. 21:40.353 --> 22:08.394 [SPEAKER_04]: they're not bringing anyone joy and the joy of others lies around yeah no I agree completely I agree completely more people were like that would be a lot better world for sure so I can relate to that with Mickey he enjoys bringing pleasure he doesn't even care if he comes he's not there to come he's there to bring pleasure and that gives him pleasure it's like this pleasure loop where the women are getting the pleasure and he's getting pleasure giving the pleasure and they're continuing to get the pleasure and then you know it's over and he goes and he leaves the 70s something year old grandma in a school girl outfit 22:09.334 --> 22:12.995 [SPEAKER_03]: It's just a wild, wild visual to imagine. 22:13.595 --> 22:14.916 [SPEAKER_03]: It is surreal. 22:14.996 --> 22:16.036 [SPEAKER_03]: What is surreal life? 22:16.636 --> 22:22.378 [SPEAKER_03]: It's like, his Clark Kent is the oil fracker, dangerous job. 22:22.778 --> 22:25.119 [SPEAKER_03]: Yes, and his Superman is in the bedroom. 22:25.459 --> 22:26.599 [SPEAKER_04]: Well, and between his legs. 22:26.839 --> 22:28.660 [SPEAKER_03]: Well, yeah, you know, that's like Superman. 22:28.920 --> 22:29.820 [SPEAKER_04]: What's his kryptonite? 22:30.140 --> 22:33.721 [SPEAKER_04]: I think fame, because you know, we were going out of the way to disguise him. 22:33.801 --> 22:35.102 [SPEAKER_04]: Like Mickey's not his real name. 22:35.382 --> 22:35.622 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah. 22:41.120 --> 22:51.866 [SPEAKER_04]: The other danger Mickey faces day in and day out while he's making all of these house calls to all of these amorous west Texas housewives is getting caught. 22:52.426 --> 22:57.109 [SPEAKER_04]: Have you ever been caught or almost caught your home with a housewife doing the deed? 22:57.529 --> 22:58.250 [SPEAKER_04]: Someone comes in. 22:59.130 --> 22:59.690 [SPEAKER_04]: Several times. 22:59.871 --> 23:00.631 [SPEAKER_04]: Several times. 23:00.651 --> 23:01.211 [SPEAKER_01]: Several times. 23:01.271 --> 23:02.252 [SPEAKER_01]: Tell me who caught you? 23:02.312 --> 23:03.332 [SPEAKER_01]: Well uh 23:04.413 --> 23:15.364 [SPEAKER_01]: I'd say on half a dozen occasions it was made or some kind of house staff because these people have, you know, workers, you know, they're made, but there's wherever the hell you are going. 23:15.744 --> 23:27.997 [SPEAKER_01]: There were people who worked there, they've walked in and they're discreet enough and they know enough to, you know, not say anything about it, but they thought nothing of it, you know, it's like, oh, get the hell out of your Maria. 23:28.985 --> 23:58.010 [SPEAKER_01]: That kind of thing and I'm you know petrified like oh my god, you know I don't know who these people are and they walk in to change the sheets of the room or something Yeah, that we are and so those were on several occasions that has happened once the kids came home and How are these kids they were young they were like you know a grade school kids age and she heard them and She immediately jumped up and you know I had to scurry out the back door kind of deal 23:58.590 --> 24:08.333 [SPEAKER_04]: And the thing about Midland Texas is, it's not a big city, there are only about 130,000 people living there, most of them work in the oil industry. 24:08.793 --> 24:14.195 [SPEAKER_04]: So the chances of running into someone you know are pretty much a guarantee. 24:14.675 --> 24:19.597 [SPEAKER_04]: Have you ever seen any of these housewives or their husbands in public after? 24:20.723 --> 24:21.284 [SPEAKER_04]: a couple times. 24:21.344 --> 24:23.665 [SPEAKER_04]: I'm sure because Midland is not a big one. 24:23.786 --> 24:38.498 [SPEAKER_01]: Well see the thing that drops those numbers or the percentage of times that it's happened is I really don't have a life outside of work and play, you know, I order all my stuff online to get delivered, groceries, stuff like that. 24:38.638 --> 24:45.103 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't have time to go into the real world to, I don't usually go to bars, I don't usually go to restaurants, that kind of thing. 24:45.957 --> 24:55.209 [SPEAKER_01]: And the few times that I have, yes, I've noticed that, you know, people that I've encountered in the world or people I've encountered in the private world. 24:55.730 --> 24:59.915 [SPEAKER_01]: And, you know, kind of just shy away and don't make eye contact and kind of... 25:00.512 --> 25:01.972 [SPEAKER_01]: You know, we don't know each other, kind of thing. 25:02.132 --> 25:03.493 [SPEAKER_04]: You pretend and they pretend. 25:03.513 --> 25:04.313 [SPEAKER_04]: Oh, she's you. 25:04.333 --> 25:10.475 [SPEAKER_01]: Yes, there's there's there's there's been acknowledgment and we're like, both of us like a quick petrified look. 25:10.635 --> 25:11.755 [SPEAKER_01]: Cause she with her husband? 25:11.795 --> 25:12.435 [SPEAKER_01]: Yes. 25:12.715 --> 25:14.636 [SPEAKER_01]: And yeah, so quickly just, you know. 25:14.756 --> 25:15.476 [SPEAKER_04]: And where is this? 25:16.496 --> 25:18.277 [SPEAKER_04]: Like what was it super hard for the restaurant? 25:18.397 --> 25:18.877 [SPEAKER_01]: A restaurant. 25:18.897 --> 25:19.077 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. 25:19.517 --> 25:21.718 [SPEAKER_04]: So she's eating with her husband, you walk in. 25:21.778 --> 25:23.158 [SPEAKER_01]: She sees you, you see her. 25:23.178 --> 25:29.740 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I mean, my buddy had went to a restaurant bar kind of thing and yeah, I saw one of women with her husband. 25:30.819 --> 25:34.120 [SPEAKER_01]: We kind of made eye contact and I looked away and she looked away and that was it. 25:34.540 --> 25:36.040 [SPEAKER_01]: I didn't say anything, she didn't say anything. 25:36.460 --> 25:38.060 [SPEAKER_01]: Obviously my buddy didn't know anything so. 25:38.620 --> 25:40.021 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, who knows you're doing this? 25:40.421 --> 25:40.741 [SPEAKER_04]: Nobody. 25:41.401 --> 25:43.421 [SPEAKER_04]: Nobody in your life knows you're a handyman. 25:44.101 --> 25:46.582 [SPEAKER_01]: Only the people that have hired me really. 25:47.442 --> 25:48.302 [SPEAKER_01]: That because who would I tell? 25:48.862 --> 25:49.622 [SPEAKER_01]: And how would I explain it? 25:50.762 --> 25:51.903 [SPEAKER_04]: But yeah, why talk to me? 25:52.183 --> 25:53.103 [SPEAKER_04]: Why tell your story to me? 25:53.123 --> 25:53.503 [SPEAKER_04]: You asked? 25:54.063 --> 25:55.263 [SPEAKER_04]: I did because I'm like that. 25:55.403 --> 25:56.883 [SPEAKER_01]: You're the only person that's the rest. 25:57.083 --> 25:59.484 [SPEAKER_01]: You know, when I moved back to LA to, 26:00.654 --> 26:02.076 [SPEAKER_01]: look after my parents for a little bit. 26:02.896 --> 26:06.380 [SPEAKER_01]: I had put the same ad out here because that's the one I found. 26:06.480 --> 26:10.704 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, because I saw your ad and I'm like, is this more than I think it is? 26:10.805 --> 26:14.368 [SPEAKER_04]: And I remember texting you like, hey, I came across your ad. 26:15.189 --> 26:18.212 [SPEAKER_04]: Because I am looking for, I'm trying to install a doggy door. 26:19.574 --> 26:20.615 [SPEAKER_04]: So I'm looking for a handyman. 26:21.770 --> 26:25.031 [SPEAKER_04]: And I see your ad, and it read provocatively to me. 26:25.271 --> 26:29.292 [SPEAKER_04]: And I'm like, that's why I'm texting right back, I can do whatever you want me to do. 26:29.312 --> 26:30.513 [SPEAKER_04]: I'm like, oh, yeah. 26:31.233 --> 26:34.114 [SPEAKER_04]: And then eventually I inquired about what you want to do a podcast about this. 26:34.234 --> 26:35.994 [SPEAKER_04]: I knew when you texted, there's a story there. 26:36.014 --> 26:38.495 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, like, wow, how long has this been going on? 26:38.675 --> 26:40.255 [SPEAKER_04]: It's this thing, like I had no idea. 26:40.796 --> 26:44.597 [SPEAKER_04]: The more time I spend with you, I'm, you know, and this sounds really stupid, but it is how I feel. 26:44.977 --> 26:46.797 [SPEAKER_04]: I'm honored that you'd share your story with me. 26:46.997 --> 26:48.778 [SPEAKER_04]: Oh, because you haven't told anyone. 26:49.218 --> 26:49.378 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah. 26:50.739 --> 26:51.100 [SPEAKER_04]: What's that? 26:51.140 --> 26:53.087 [SPEAKER_04]: So this is going to be kind of cathartic for you, right? 26:53.107 --> 26:53.428 [SPEAKER_04]: Therapy. 26:53.448 --> 26:57.000 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, a little bit, you know, talking about all the stuff that you haven't told anyone. 26:57.522 --> 26:57.602 [SPEAKER_04]: No. 27:00.528 --> 27:06.413 [SPEAKER_04]: Right about now, you've got to be asking yourself what I've been asking myself for the past five episodes. 27:07.053 --> 27:10.175 [SPEAKER_04]: What about the husbands of these West Texas housewives? 27:10.736 --> 27:18.302 [SPEAKER_04]: Do they have any idea that Mickey has been bringing home his own bacon and packin it in their fridge? 27:18.742 --> 27:23.806 [SPEAKER_01]: You know, the husbands were somewhere else at the time until that first one where it has been, you know, answered the door. 27:26.928 --> 27:38.211 [SPEAKER_01]: next time on the handyman of West Texas he said you want to be with my wife and I said I'm not sure what you mean and he's like do you want to fuck my wife just like that. 27:38.471 --> 27:51.695 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