[SPEAKER_01]: The following episode of Cocaine Air deals with suicide and suicide ideation.
[SPEAKER_01]: Lister discretion is advised.
[SPEAKER_00]: I treat it my people well, and I give him a brand new Rolex, I give him an X-Calaver, I give him a load of Ferrari, these are bonuses that I've given my guys, and when my guys were not working, you're either at home, you're in church, or you're spending money, but you're not working for anybody else.
[SPEAKER_00]: Now, man, the Tory, I do not let anyone of my guys go farm out and work for somebody else.
[SPEAKER_00]: They were extremely employed by me.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm Jonathan Walton, and this is Cocaine Hair, the TJ Dominguez Story, episode 8.
[SPEAKER_01]: Where executive producer Evan Goldstein and I discussed more crazy TJ Dominguez stories that we could not fit into the previous seven episodes.
[SPEAKER_01]: One of the things that fastnates me about the life of TJ Jiming guys is his Lamborghini dealership.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, like, it just comes out of left field for me, like he's smuggling marijuana, then he's smuggling coke, then he's got a Lamborghini dealership.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like how did he become the largest Lamborghini dealership in the world, selling the most Lamborginis?
[SPEAKER_02]: at least for me when I was little Lamborghini's worthy car.
[SPEAKER_02]: If you saw Lamborghini on the street, it was like seeing a unicorn in a blade.
[SPEAKER_02]: You were just like, oh, look at that thing.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, beautiful.
[SPEAKER_02]: Like, and then you always, you know, who's in it?
[SPEAKER_01]: Who's driving it?
[SPEAKER_01]: What is a Lamborghini cost now?
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know.
[SPEAKER_01]: In 2025, the starting price for the cheapest of cheap Lamborghini's.
[SPEAKER_01]: How much do you think?
[SPEAKER_01]: Mmm, they're in your grand.
[SPEAKER_01]: $608,000.
[SPEAKER_01]: Wow, really?
[SPEAKER_01]: You need $600,000.
[SPEAKER_01]: And then find another eight to buy a Lamborghini today.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, Matt Lamborghini comes with a CD player.
[SPEAKER_00]: How did it become the largest Lamborghini dealership because I'm a money that I made a pump right back into it and I'd go to Italy a lot and networked myself Because my money is in Switzerland, so now I've jumped over to Italy and I networked with those guys so we're there It's have brought a camera
[SPEAKER_00]: to take pictures in the guy's system.
[SPEAKER_00]: I remember this incident.
[SPEAKER_00]: Google, that's your beautiful camera, you know, on Italian.
[SPEAKER_00]: They said, oh, I brought this for you here.
[SPEAKER_00]: And, oh, about that yellow Lamborghini, what are you doing with that one?
[SPEAKER_00]: What is going to go to the guy in California?
[SPEAKER_00]: That California can wait.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm the guy here.
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't see anybody else.
[SPEAKER_00]: I need a yellow one.
[SPEAKER_00]: So that I started getting more and more cars, more and more cars, and I was the only franchise at the time that put like a hundred cars under the roof.
[SPEAKER_00]: It was just incredible.
[SPEAKER_00]: Chandeliers, you know, champagne, wine, rag, a cup of chino machined.
[SPEAKER_00]: Jesus, thousands and thousands of dollars.
[SPEAKER_00]: The scene was like seven feet long brass with glass domes of a brass eagle on top.
[SPEAKER_00]: I could show you pictures of that wall.
[SPEAKER_00]: It was very impressive pool table that would send me back about 100 grand in that pool table.
[SPEAKER_00]: It was an antique back of the dates of the King and Queen stuffed from England.
[SPEAKER_00]: And you
[SPEAKER_00]: It was a real class, classy place.
[SPEAKER_00]: So we became the standard of the industry, a cup of chino machin, beautiful girls that were the hostess.
[SPEAKER_00]: Which I would lose some all the time to all these guys who would come in.
[SPEAKER_00]: They'd be a future wife or the main squeeze, whatever you want to call them.
[SPEAKER_00]: And, matter of fact, whenever we have a ties for Lamborghini, Dieter's ship hostess, you would think you were advertising for a playboy interview or something, you there or there or they're like,
[SPEAKER_00]: trophy girls.
[SPEAKER_00]: Everyone, they're not dumb.
[SPEAKER_00]: They know what they're doing.
[SPEAKER_00]: Who's coming in, they're guys with a big deep pocket.
[SPEAKER_00]: So it was fun.
[SPEAKER_00]: It was fun.
[SPEAKER_00]: And we had a lot of fun living that world.
[SPEAKER_00]: It was profitable.
[SPEAKER_00]: You made money with Lamborghini.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, but I didn't really care.
[SPEAKER_00]: Look, if I'm making a hundred and two hundred thousand bottles of Lamborghini in a making five ten million dollars of cocaine, what's my priority?
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm sad, I agree.
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, people who say, do money laundering?
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm kidding.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm about money laundering.
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, hard time spending what I've got.
[SPEAKER_00]: I've got so much already.
[SPEAKER_00]: I've got airplanes I've got cars.
[SPEAKER_00]: I didn't really need cash anymore.
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, it was one of the first Americanist press cards.
[SPEAKER_00]: I remember spending a hundred and twenty thousand dollars on one mic.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'll move the mic's press card.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's like putting $500,000 on a credit card today.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's insane.
[SPEAKER_02]: Half million dollars.
[SPEAKER_02]: Half million dollars on a credit card.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: I can't even imagine.
[SPEAKER_02]: Who let me put a house on a... Well, a house in Los Angeles, but in Topeka, Kansas.
[SPEAKER_01]: Let me throw that on my credit card.
[SPEAKER_01]: Just a credit line alone.
[SPEAKER_01]: I know.
[SPEAKER_01]: Tisha had so much money.
[SPEAKER_01]: He looks good like I saw his picture.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, he's recent.
[SPEAKER_01]: He looks good.
[SPEAKER_01]: He's he's on he's almost, you know, it's like in the prime of life, but he's 73 now.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, he's 73 years.
[SPEAKER_01]: He looks younger.
[SPEAKER_01]: He does and he's got that on he's got the energy and spark of a man in his 30s and when he talked to him.
[SPEAKER_01]: There's this forosity about his voice like he's passionate about stuff.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: He wants to incorporate the team.
[SPEAKER_01]: But the most impressive attribute about TJ Dominguez in my mind is, he is a man of his word.
[SPEAKER_01]: If he tells you, he's going to do something.
[SPEAKER_01]: He's going to do it.
[SPEAKER_01]: If he promises you something, he's going to keep that promise.
[SPEAKER_01]: And it doesn't matter if it might cost him his life.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I went to a town in Colombia that 125, 150 people have been killed as a war between the Paramedic town and the guerrillas, they told me not to go there, including Pablo Escobar said there was out of bounds and couldn't go there.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I went there and one guy says to me, what do you have, a death wish or something?
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm walking in the town.
[SPEAKER_00]: I had to go and get holy water for the mother of one of my friends that had cancer that had been born in that church and she was in New York dying and her son came asked me if I would help them get holy water from this little church and I said, can we get it from another church?
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, I don't really think it makes that big of a difference.
[SPEAKER_00]: No, my mother said it had to be that church.
[SPEAKER_00]: I said, then we're gonna honor your mom's wishes, because my dad passed away from cancer.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I know what love is all about, you know, and having a dime person, you family.
[SPEAKER_00]: So I said, we gonna go to that little church up and talk about the mountain.
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, we went up to the little church in top of the mountain.
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, as I'm walking up there, a little car shows up.
[SPEAKER_00]: There's nobody there.
[SPEAKER_00]: Below him, cars upside down, and I'm talking bazooka, not guns.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm talking about holes in building like a war zone.
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, with heavy artillery and buildings burned, nobody's anywhere.
[SPEAKER_00]: But one guy pulls up pieces, this is a war zone.
[SPEAKER_00]: What are you doing here?
[SPEAKER_00]: Do you want to die?
[SPEAKER_00]: And I said, oh, I'm going to die, yeah, but I'm not going to die today.
[SPEAKER_00]: And that I'm sure of.
[SPEAKER_00]: I've got to go to that little church up there and get some holy water from my friend.
[SPEAKER_00]: The guy said, jump in the car.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm going to take you up there.
[SPEAKER_00]: And so what would you do that is is because I don't want you to die.
[SPEAKER_00]: So he took me up there.
[SPEAKER_00]: We got the holy water.
[SPEAKER_00]: We brought me back.
[SPEAKER_00]: I tried to get the guy money.
[SPEAKER_00]: Right, you know, for gas and his time and all that when he brought me all the way back to where I was at and I said that so I said here's a couple of dollars for you time in trouble and the guy goes I know that's okay.
[SPEAKER_00]: I said well for gas money.
[SPEAKER_00]: He said no, that's okay I said so what did you do it and he said to me because today was not your day-to-day
[SPEAKER_00]: Ain't disappeared nobody says no to money in South America cash dollars nobody says no
[SPEAKER_01]: I think he was a guardian angel.
[SPEAKER_01]: I know you'd say that.
[SPEAKER_01]: I know.
[SPEAKER_01]: I know you think I'm woo-hoo.
[SPEAKER_01]: But I do believe in guardian angels.
[SPEAKER_01]: Have you had experiences with having angels now?
[SPEAKER_01]: You've never had a guardian angel in your life?
[SPEAKER_01]: No, I'd like to.
[SPEAKER_01]: Believe me, I need one.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, they really only show up when you're about to die.
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, in their mind, I don't need one.
[SPEAKER_01]: I've had three guardian angels in my life.
[SPEAKER_01]: But I look back.
[SPEAKER_01]: And even at the time, I knew something was up.
[SPEAKER_01]: The first guardian angels who appeared to me.
[SPEAKER_01]: I was like seven or eight years old.
[SPEAKER_01]: I was I was a latch key kid, you know, so I was out on the street with my friends in the neighborhood and I was about to run across the street this one time and that's I got in the stance to run something held me I couldn't move something froze me it felt like an invisible force field and I stopped and at the second I stopped a car zoomed by no yeah and in that moment I knew
[SPEAKER_01]: if I didn't stop but I didn't stop something stopped me but if that didn't happen that car would have moved me down I'd be dead and I was a kid and even looking back at that memory that was a cardine it what else stopped me I didn't stop me
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I wish everyone could see how animated Johnathan is right now.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's true, when I look back at it, what else was that?
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yeah, it's possible.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm not just counting it.
[SPEAKER_01]: About to dart across the street and as I put my foot forward, it's like, yeah, I hit a force field.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, cut to another Guardian Angel experience in my life.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm 19 years old.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm driving, I'm living in Miami, go in a college.
[SPEAKER_01]: We're going to the Mariah Carey Concert.
[SPEAKER_01]: Ooh.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm in my red Asuzu Amigo.
[SPEAKER_01]: Drive in South and I'm 95.
[SPEAKER_01]: At night, go into the Mariah Carey Concert.
[SPEAKER_01]: My brother is in the car.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm my two cousins are in the back seat.
[SPEAKER_01]: And it's dark on the highway.
[SPEAKER_01]: There's construction, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: And I'm in the fast lane, because I'm 19 going fast.
[SPEAKER_01]: And all of a sudden,
[SPEAKER_01]: I, the steering wheel moves and I changed lanes.
[SPEAKER_01]: I didn't consciously change lanes.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm telling you this, here's what I didn't.
[SPEAKER_01]: I didn't consciously change lanes.
[SPEAKER_01]: I just drifted over to the center lane.
[SPEAKER_01]: And the moment I drifted over to the center lane, we passed a stopped bus with no lights on it that had been abandoned in the vast lane like the bus broke down.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I zoomed by it, nearly hit it.
[SPEAKER_01]: And my brother and my two cousins thought that I changed lanes to avoid the bus.
[SPEAKER_01]: I didn't see the bus.
[SPEAKER_01]: It was dark.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm going 70 or 80.
[SPEAKER_01]: I didn't see it.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, he just didn't.
[SPEAKER_01]: Something.
[SPEAKER_01]: I didn't even do it though.
[SPEAKER_01]: Something moved me.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like, I didn't consciously, you know when you're driving, you consciously, you didn't learn.
[SPEAKER_01]: I didn't do that.
[SPEAKER_01]: I drifted over.
[SPEAKER_02]: I see a theme emerging.
[SPEAKER_02]: I think I don't know if it's a guardian angel.
[SPEAKER_02]: I think it's like the saint of motor vehicles.
[SPEAKER_01]: No, man, I get chills talking about it.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like I didn't, there but for the grace of whatever that was, I would be dead.
[SPEAKER_01]: Not only me, my brother and my two cousins.
[SPEAKER_01]: I do believe in guardian angels.
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, third guardian angel in my life.
[SPEAKER_01]: I was 30 years old, you know, through many different circumstances in life events, I realized I'm gay.
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, I grew up believing being gay is like the worst thing in the world you could be it's like the devil I went to a Catholic school like my family would never accept it like so I decided to end my life And it was a very rational decision and I started planning my suicide So what was brilliant about my suicide was Because it was gonna be flawless.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm kind of proud of this plan You know, just as a creative as a producer like this is how you go out if you don't want anyone to know you're gonna kill yourself
[SPEAKER_01]: I worked on the morning show that was in Houston reported at CBS in Houston and it worked to wake up at 3 a.m.
[SPEAKER_01]: So I started telling everyone, so over this two week period, I started telling everyone, I haven't trouble sleeping, so I'm taking over the counter sleeping pills and they're not working.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm taking more and more.
[SPEAKER_01]: I took five, it took six and I can't sleep, I can't sleep so all my friends and co-workers thought I was having trouble sleeping.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I let them tell me, well, you should get prescription sleeping pills.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I'm like, okay, so it was their idea, not mine, but it was mine to give them to give me.
[SPEAKER_01]: And this is over two week period.
[SPEAKER_01]: So my plan was, I was just going to overdose in the bottle of sleeping pills prescription.
[SPEAKER_01]: No note, no one would ever know.
[SPEAKER_01]: I committed suicide.
[SPEAKER_01]: because I thought it would be easier for my mother to accept that I died of an accidental overdose than that I was gay.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, that's sad.
[SPEAKER_01]: I believe that though.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, in my mind, I was doing the right thing.
[SPEAKER_02]: He also grew up in Jamaica where, you know, bought him enough of dead.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, kill ya.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I know.
[SPEAKER_01]: I know.
[SPEAKER_01]: So battling all of that.
[SPEAKER_01]: So again, I made the decision.
[SPEAKER_01]: This is how it's gonna go.
[SPEAKER_01]: The die's cast.
[SPEAKER_01]: I started telling people the sleeping thing.
[SPEAKER_01]: They suggested the prescription.
[SPEAKER_01]: I had this whole plan.
[SPEAKER_01]: And obviously, nobody knew.
[SPEAKER_01]: I was the funny guy in the morning news, making everyone laugh.
[SPEAKER_01]: I wasn't telling anyone, when people are really gonna kill themselves, like, no one knows.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like, they don't tell anyone.
[SPEAKER_01]: I didn't tell anyone.
[SPEAKER_01]: No jokes, no gallows humor, nothing.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's determined, this is gonna happen.
[SPEAKER_01]: So I'm too excited to this plan.
[SPEAKER_01]: I know it's inevitable, this is what I have to do.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I would go to bed crying every night.
[SPEAKER_01]: And on this particular night, I go to bed crying.
[SPEAKER_01]: And the refrain in my head is, I can never make my mother proud.
[SPEAKER_01]: I can never make my mother proud.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like, I have to do this.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like, I can't live anymore.
[SPEAKER_01]: I can't make my mother proud.
[SPEAKER_01]: Which is such a gay boy concerned, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, make my mother proud.
[SPEAKER_01]: and then in that moment a voice in my bedroom said like in a whisper you will make her proud swear to God like outside of my and I I got up out of bed and I'm looking around my bedroom like who the fuck just said that yeah and it said it again you will make her proud oh well as you can hear me talking that is the I heard it mm I decided to kill myself like I knew what I was
[SPEAKER_01]: In that moment when he's set at the second time, it sounds like a male voice.
[SPEAKER_01]: Everything lifted, like I knew, oh, okay, well, maybe I don't have to kill myself that.
[SPEAKER_01]: Maybe if I can still make her proud somehow, I can stay on the surface.
[SPEAKER_02]: You know who knows, maybe there, maybe you do have a garden angel.
[SPEAKER_01]: If you're thinking about taking your own life, believe me, I understand, I've been there.
[SPEAKER_01]: I know it feels like it's the only option you have left, but I assure you it is not.
[SPEAKER_01]: And the one thing I can guarantee you in this life is that everything changes, and how you're feeling right now is no different, it will change.
[SPEAKER_01]: You just have to hang on until it does.
[SPEAKER_01]: One year after I decided not to end my life, I fully accepted and even embraced being gay.
[SPEAKER_01]: I met the man who would become my husband and my soulmate and we've been together and madly in love and happy for the past 18 years.
[SPEAKER_01]: I also went on to have amazing adventures producing TV shows, like Shark Tank and American Ninja Warrior.
[SPEAKER_01]: I started doing podcasts like Queen of the Con and Cocaine Air.
[SPEAKER_01]: I even wrote a book for a major publisher, Penguin Random House, becoming a published author who was way above and beyond any of my wildest dreams.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I've had some wild ones.
[SPEAKER_01]: I am truly ecstatic to be alive and I'm fulfilled and excited about the future and most importantly, I'm happy and I am so grateful I never committed suicide because I would have missed all of this.
[SPEAKER_01]: Take the fact that you're listening to these words right now as a sign.
[SPEAKER_01]: Or even just dumb luck, I'm talking to you.
[SPEAKER_01]: If you're thinking about ending your life, call or text 9-8-8, and speak to a professional counselor for free, talking to someone about what's going on always helps, just call or text 9-8-8.
[SPEAKER_01]: Now, back to cocaine air episode 8, where Evan and I are talking about that random stranger in TJ's life, who showed up out of nowhere and protected and guided him on his mission to get holy water from that tiny church on a hill.
[SPEAKER_01]: I do believe in Guardian Angels and I do believe that guy who materialized out of F. and nowhere in the Colombian region of nowhere'sville and won't take your money refuse to take money, save TJ's life, guide it him to the church to get the holy water, guide it him back and disappeared, wouldn't take any money.
[SPEAKER_01]: I have so many crazy stories.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think he was a Guardian Angel.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think TJ was surrounded by Guardian Angels.
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, how do you make all these flights in and out of Colombia with the military shooting at you?
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh my god, an episode two when the the behavior drug team and the helicopter with the pursuit and the guns are shooting at his boat like how is he not dead?
[SPEAKER_01]: He should be dead.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: So many times he should have been killed and he lived.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think he just has like this If you could lift it the veil and see all the guardian angels It's probably like a a choreographed like the actual armada of like stage hands like running and grabbing the rug And pulling him out and blocking the bullet and blocking the web, you know like I don't know my mind.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, maybe I also like that he has this kind of karate background that kind of informs everything He's like the Hispanic Chuck Norris
[SPEAKER_02]: Yes, like he's a man of action when Tito Dominguez does a push-up.
[SPEAKER_02]: He's not pushing himself up.
[SPEAKER_02]: He's pushing the earth down.
[SPEAKER_01]: Was that a Chuck Norris joke?
[SPEAKER_01]: That was a Chuck Norris joke.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I mean, another thing about TJ, he really loved the ladies.
[SPEAKER_01]: He really loved the ladies.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, or did the ladies really love him?
[SPEAKER_01]: probably a bit of both.
[SPEAKER_01]: Have you ever heard of a cuckold?
[SPEAKER_01]: A cuckold is a guy who derives pleasure from another man sleeping with his wife.
[SPEAKER_01]: sometimes they're watching.
[SPEAKER_01]: Sometimes they're just listening at the door or sometimes they just know and they get off the thought.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, they'll go in another room and just the thought of their wife would someone else gets them up.
[SPEAKER_01]: That guy's a cuckold.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Now until the proliferation of mass porn, when I was younger, I didn't know what a cuckold was.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I mean either.
[SPEAKER_01]: Right?
[SPEAKER_01]: But it's a porn category now.
[SPEAKER_01]: You type cuckold and
[SPEAKER_01]: millions of videos pop up with, you know, share my wife and do this to my wife and blah, blah, blah, blah, and then sometimes the guys participate whatever.
[SPEAKER_01]: So I'm telling you this because this next story TJ is about to divulge, I believe, is a cockhole situation intriguing.
[SPEAKER_00]: coming to Bahamas and I'm there with Jack as a matter of fact and we're having dinner.
[SPEAKER_00]: and this is hot chick that's having dinner and the other opposite table she's looking at me I'm looking at her and I guess her husband can't see me because I see the back of his head but I see the eyes wondering and she kind of gives me a wink I wink back so and you know now she's murking and you know she's basically flirting right so
[SPEAKER_00]: Jack is, what are you doing?
[SPEAKER_00]: I said, the chick over there, man.
[SPEAKER_00]: She's really hot.
[SPEAKER_00]: Look at her.
[SPEAKER_00]: You know?
[SPEAKER_00]: And yeah, she's with that guy.
[SPEAKER_00]: She's like, oh, why is she looking at me once you're winking?
[SPEAKER_00]: You know?
[SPEAKER_00]: So I just had to get a little bit more bracing.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I said, go to the bathroom.
[SPEAKER_00]: The bathroom.
[SPEAKER_00]: I chung around and I said the jack.
[SPEAKER_00]: If this girl gets up, we're going to stay here in an extra day.
[SPEAKER_00]: and she got up.
[SPEAKER_00]: She went to the bathroom and as soon as she went in that hallway, you know, we're not going to sit in and introduce ourselves who basically have the same parts in mind.
[SPEAKER_00]: I said, what are you doing with this guy?
[SPEAKER_00]: That's my husband.
[SPEAKER_00]: He's down here on a fishing expedition trip.
[SPEAKER_00]: So they fly in on their jet.
[SPEAKER_00]: They send the boat ahead of time.
[SPEAKER_00]: We were staying at the big game.
[SPEAKER_00]: They got us loaded a lot of money.
[SPEAKER_00]: And so I said, fishing expedition, like the tournament that's going on, she goes, yeah, it's as when does he leave?
[SPEAKER_00]: He's the first thing in the morning, daybreak.
[SPEAKER_00]: I said, I'll be right there.
[SPEAKER_00]: I said there, like a bird dog.
[SPEAKER_00]: If you guys loved, I walked in.
[SPEAKER_00]: In the next thing I know, we were in the bedroom.
[SPEAKER_00]: I heard there was staying in a bungalow, which was a room in the back, a living room a little kitchenette, and then the door.
[SPEAKER_00]: The next thing I hear, I hear some noise, and it sounds like a joke, but it really was, and I just said to myself, I don't think that's housekeeping.
[SPEAKER_00]: Next thing I know, he walked in on me, and I'm with her.
[SPEAKER_00]: in the bed.
[SPEAKER_00]: I just jumped up though when I heard the door had a bad feeling.
[SPEAKER_00]: It was in housekeeping.
[SPEAKER_00]: So I reached from my pants.
[SPEAKER_00]: I put on my pants.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm butting my pants.
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't have a shirt on.
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't have shoes on.
[SPEAKER_00]: The guy looks at me.
[SPEAKER_00]: Looks at her.
[SPEAKER_00]: She's in the bed.
[SPEAKER_00]: I turn around.
[SPEAKER_00]: I said to the guy, look, man, what are you going to tell you?
[SPEAKER_00]: I know how from school or something.
[SPEAKER_00]: I said, if you touch me, I'm going to break your arm and beat with your own arm.
[SPEAKER_00]: Don't touch me.
[SPEAKER_00]: If you help me find you other shoe, I'll get the hell out of here.
[SPEAKER_00]: A little quicker.
[SPEAKER_00]: I looked around, I got my other shoe, put on my shirt, and I stepped out of my way, I walked out.
[SPEAKER_00]: That was that.
[SPEAKER_02]: I think this is 100% a cockhole situation.
[SPEAKER_02]: You think that the guy, you think this was pre-set, where, okay, you come back at this time, I'm gonna be in bed with this guy,
[SPEAKER_01]: you can watch.
[SPEAKER_01]: You can watch or potentially join.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, TJ was never going to let that happen.
[SPEAKER_01]: No.
[SPEAKER_01]: But I do believe the guy did not mean to be, I don't think the guy meant to make a noise.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think the guy was trying to slip back into the room to watch his wife with TJ and got busted.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: I think he was a cockled because the story from her was he's out fishing all that.
[SPEAKER_02]: He's out fishing in a tournament.
[SPEAKER_01]: Right.
[SPEAKER_02]: So, so why is he back?
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's a huge flaw in her story.
[SPEAKER_02]: If he's out of my rod, eh?
[SPEAKER_01]: If he's out fishing right there.
[SPEAKER_01]: If he's out fishing all day, how is he suddenly back in the room?
[SPEAKER_01]: Quietly quiet as a tipman.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yes, it's definitely possible.
[SPEAKER_02]: There are, you know, there are...
[SPEAKER_02]: there are cuckolds.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: This is a thing.
[SPEAKER_02]: Did Tito notice a cuck chair in the corner?
[SPEAKER_02]: What's a cuck chair for the uninitiated?
[SPEAKER_02]: It's the chair that a cuckold sits in while he watches his significant other with another man.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: So this is a whole scene.
[SPEAKER_01]: I broached this with TJ.
[SPEAKER_01]: He had no idea.
[SPEAKER_01]: Blue is mine.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it's possible.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's very possible.
[SPEAKER_01]: And the other reason I think it's a cuckold situation, not just because she said my husband's going to be gone all day in a tournament suddenly.
[SPEAKER_01]: He's back.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: But because the husband wasn't enraged.
[SPEAKER_02]: If you came home and saw your wife and bed and you're in a behavior in vacation, when your wife's banging some guy she met in a restaurant.
[SPEAKER_02]: Although TJ, the first thing he says is like, he touched me, I break your arm and I'm like, rip it off and beat you to death with literally something like that.
[SPEAKER_02]: I think guys size each other up immediately and you could kind of, you know, if you see someone in a kind of in a situation like that, one year in shock and two, it's like on top of it, this guy's having sex with my wife and then I'm gonna get my ass kicked.
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, here's how I poke a hole in that theory, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: two reasons I think he's a cuckold.
[SPEAKER_01]: If he was not a cuckold, he would have reacted one of two ways.
[SPEAKER_01]: Either he would have been outwardly furious, shouting yelling, threatening violence, even if he's not threatening violence, he would have been angry.
[SPEAKER_01]: Could have been something, some kind of action.
[SPEAKER_01]: But it sounds like he didn't have much of a motion reaction.
[SPEAKER_01]: The only other way, a real husband, a real husband.
[SPEAKER_01]: The only other way, a non-cuckold husband, with a what a reacted, he would have just ran away.
[SPEAKER_01]: I can't believe he did this and disappeared.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, totally.
[SPEAKER_01]: He didn't.
[SPEAKER_01]: He stayed.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: He stayed with it.
[SPEAKER_02]: He left and TJ left.
[SPEAKER_01]: He let TJ leave and then they and then they reviewed the security footage that they carefully planted before I'm sure I'm sure she you know and again I'm not judging cockles more power to them but it is an arrangement a husband a wife have with each other the husbands the cock the wife is gonna have these adventures with other men when the cock's gonna watch I think this was that in the 1980s in the Bahamas before we knew what that was
[SPEAKER_01]: Thanks to the internet.
[SPEAKER_01]: We know what everything is.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: But here's what I love about getting older is, you know, the wisdom comes.
[SPEAKER_01]: You can do so much from what's in between the lines.
[SPEAKER_01]: I just know based on what TJ says, you told the guy, don't touch me.
[SPEAKER_01]: If you help me find my other shoe.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'll get the hell out of here a little quicker.
[SPEAKER_01]: I looked around.
[SPEAKER_01]: I got my other shoe.
[SPEAKER_01]: the guy stepped out of my way.
[SPEAKER_01]: I walked out.
[SPEAKER_01]: That was that for the guy to step out of his way.
[SPEAKER_01]: He's not mad.
[SPEAKER_01]: And if you're if you catch your wife sleeping with someone and you're not a cuckold, you'd be furious.
[SPEAKER_02]: You would think it would evoke some kind of extreme.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: He stepped out of my way and in one way or another.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think he was disappointed.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, maybe that it didn't continue and he couldn't participate or watch in the cuck chair.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, it's very possible.
[SPEAKER_01]: TJ clearly is not into cuckoles.
[SPEAKER_01]: He's not into that kind of he canky.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, fetish kind of stuff.
[SPEAKER_01]: He's a regular straight guy from the olden days.
[SPEAKER_01]: One man, one woman.
[SPEAKER_01]: He's not into the crazy stuff.
[SPEAKER_01]: But TJ's underling jack.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, is.
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean Columbia, and Jack says to me, hey, Tuddle man, you gonna hold me up, right?
[SPEAKER_00]: So I'm like, yeah, I sure Jagu would do it.
[SPEAKER_00]: And then he would get nervous, he'd stutter.
[SPEAKER_00]: He would just, just give me four Tuddle, give me four.
[SPEAKER_00]: I see Jagu, what are you gonna do with four of them?
[SPEAKER_00]: Still much for ya.
[SPEAKER_00]: Just give me four, man.
[SPEAKER_00]: So I said, okay, four it is.
[SPEAKER_00]: So I make arrangements to have four hot chicks.
[SPEAKER_00]: And these are not like street walkers.
[SPEAKER_00]: These are four, five thousand dollar chicks.
[SPEAKER_00]: Back in the day.
[SPEAKER_00]: now based all these sites that you have, you know, these are like college girls, you know, front of a friend and a little son, you hook up with a group of girls that, oh my friend would love to go to a party party animals and, you know, they're not doing it even for money, but you give them here's five grand next thing, you know, you have four or five of them lining up.
[SPEAKER_00]: And that's how these things work.
[SPEAKER_00]: And that's the kind of exposure that we had with Jack and those guys.
[SPEAKER_00]: I can't even go and did detail kind of pervert stuff that they would do to pervert it from me.
[SPEAKER_00]: I didn't even want to stay in the room with them.
[SPEAKER_00]: They were all naked like a regular, you know, not even a loving because it was just they had toys and things like that.
[SPEAKER_00]: Just stuff that I don't, I don't like.
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't need another guy in the room with me.
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't want to touch another guy.
[SPEAKER_00]: Trace women, you know, and yeah, I don't mind laying in bed with a couple of love, you know, it's nice, you know, nothing wrong with that, but I just don't want to do the pervert stuff, you know.
[SPEAKER_01]: TJ is like regular straight tough guy from, you know, the 1950s movies, like just, you know, he's,
[SPEAKER_02]: He's an old-fashioned guy that, you know, he's about respect.
[SPEAKER_02]: I think that's why TJ is so endearing, because you imagine, you know, top line cocaine smuggler for Pablo Escobar, you're expecting someone that is ruthless, that is killing people.
[SPEAKER_02]: That is fighting it out, machine guns.
[SPEAKER_02]: Like at least,
[SPEAKER_02]: You know, based on movies and all these kind of things that we kind of, because, you know, everyday people aren't kind of privy to that world.
[SPEAKER_02]: You know, and all we have to go by is, you know, what we've seen in movies and TV and stuff like that.
[SPEAKER_02]: But what's so endearing about him is just, you get a sense of a man of honor.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yes, among thieves.
[SPEAKER_01]: And among non thieves.
[SPEAKER_01]: He is a man of honor, full stop.
[SPEAKER_02]: yeah and it's endearing the way he values fairness like there is something to be said sure he's doing something illegal but he is the anti hero because sure he's he's running a foul of the law with doing all this stuff but he's not out to hurt anyone necessarily he's just out to you know supply and demand you know people want cocaine he's providing it for him it's the same thing with prohibition people were going to drink and people broke the law to give people alcohol
[SPEAKER_02]: It's the same thing, the most fascinating thing is this would've never happened, had he not been conned.
[SPEAKER_02]: Exactly.
[SPEAKER_02]: Because you go down one path.
[SPEAKER_02]: There's two ways to go.
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[SPEAKER_02]: TJ just flipped the script.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, I see myself in him.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's my story, too.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: That is my story, too.
[SPEAKER_01]: Getting conchanged me.
[SPEAKER_01]: It turned me into this vigilante.
[SPEAKER_01]: I have a book coming out in August.
[SPEAKER_01]: Anatomy of a con artist.
[SPEAKER_01]: I've investigated hundreds of cases.
[SPEAKER_01]: I've helped a lot of people.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I would not be on this path.
[SPEAKER_01]: Had I not been conned.
[SPEAKER_01]: similar to TJ.
[SPEAKER_01]: He'd not be on his path unless he got caught.
[SPEAKER_01]: We just changed in different ways, but ultimately we became good people.
[SPEAKER_01]: And what's crazy is, here we are all the way in episode eight.
[SPEAKER_01]: We think we've heard the TJ's in Minga story.
[SPEAKER_01]: We think we've heard everything, but we've really only kind of scratched the surface.
[SPEAKER_01]: There is so much more to this man.
[SPEAKER_01]: We're going to talk in the next few episodes to some of the people in his life.
[SPEAKER_01]: And we're going to hear from TJ himself about
[SPEAKER_01]: And a crazy story I had no idea that right when they arrested him, he was getting out of the cocaine business and then he got busted.
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