[UNKNOWN]: Welcome back everyone to the gentlemen's wrestling podcast.
[UNKNOWN]: I am your host, as always Jesse Collins and joining me.
[UNKNOWN]: Once again, he is a multiple-time returning guest of the show.
[UNKNOWN]: He is the host of the flagship wrestling podcast.
[UNKNOWN]: He is our Brasos Valley correspondent.
[UNKNOWN]: And like me, he is currently a fan of a last place baseball team.
[UNKNOWN]: It is Joe Lanz that Joe will come back to the journalism podcast.
[UNKNOWN]: Brasos Valley, bustin' out of Brasos Valley reference, okay?
[UNKNOWN]: I actually looked up to see if College Station was considered East Texas, and the consensus was that kind of, but not really, so I didn't want to say East Texas, so I was like, okay, what's like a better,
[UNKNOWN]: turn what's a what's a more accurate term to describe college stations location with in Texas and so we went with Brasos Valley.
[UNKNOWN]: Well that's a hundred percent accurate is in fact the Brasos Valley.
[UNKNOWN]: This is a podcast that takes geography extremely seriously and I want to get that at least as right as I possibly can.
[UNKNOWN]: We will discuss people's locations.
[UNKNOWN]: Well you nailed it.
[UNKNOWN]: Thank you.
[UNKNOWN]: But I almost didn't come on this
[UNKNOWN]: I almost told you to go kick rocks because at one point I was neck and neck with the most frequent being the most frequent guest in the history of this particular podcast, but you've forgotten about me over the last two to three years and quite frankly that was a little insulting to me so.
[UNKNOWN]: But here counter point Joe, how about you take a little initiative and suggest yourself for some of these podcasts?
[UNKNOWN]: How about you look at yourself onto this podcast?
[UNKNOWN]: I should just be inviting myself onto podcasts.
[UNKNOWN]: That's how I get it.
[UNKNOWN]: That's how I recorded my first podcast with you.
[UNKNOWN]: I invited myself onto the podcast.
[UNKNOWN]: Is that really how that went down?
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, remember I had a fellow in Tel Aviv.
[UNKNOWN]: First episode where I was like, All right, when you get up a little this and you're like, Wait a minute, I'm recording this.
[UNKNOWN]: So like, yeah, it's your show.
[UNKNOWN]: Oh, was that your idea that NFL Intelligenceia?
[UNKNOWN]: I don't even have a member.
[UNKNOWN]: It was my idea to join you on the show.
[UNKNOWN]: Oh, to join the, and in fact, you were doing like my NFL podcast, but the whole time we were really just doing yours.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, I really got worked with that, huh?
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, so I'm saying, you could come on this show.
[UNKNOWN]: Honestly, I just, I, um, all my fans hate you.
[UNKNOWN]: No, just getting, um, well, a lot of them probably do some of them, right?
[UNKNOWN]: don't just get different guests on the show and I come up with a topic and I think about who would be a good guest for the topic and this week's episode is about TV wrestling and who watches more TV wrestling that I know than Joe Lens, you're keeping up to date with all these different promotions watching on television and so and you have to give reviews and things like that so you're the perfect guest.
[UNKNOWN]: What a terrible thing to be known for.
[UNKNOWN]: Who do I know that watches the most TV?
[UNKNOWN]: Who do I know that's got no right in the right?
[UNKNOWN]: And it just has dozens of hours each week to pour into American TV wrestling.
[UNKNOWN]: Ah, JoLenza.
[UNKNOWN]: Yes.
[UNKNOWN]: If I'm the first thing that pops into people's minds, then yeah, then this is a terrible thing to be known for.
[UNKNOWN]: But here I am.
[UNKNOWN]: And also we've talked about this before, and we'll get into it.
[UNKNOWN]: And I guess we'll get right into it.
[UNKNOWN]: So I guess my general thesis on towards this podcast is TV wrestling is a historic staple of wrestling.
[UNKNOWN]: It dates back to like the 1940s or at least weekly wrestling, you know, to the early 50s with the Dumont network.
[UNKNOWN]: I might have even been wearing somewhere prior to that.
[UNKNOWN]: But TV wrestling goes back to almost like the ancient times of the wrestling industry.
[UNKNOWN]: And for a lot of its history, you was viewed as kind of this bonus kind of thing that wrestling companies were doing, where the bread and butter was live tickets, and then you could use your TV program to advertise yourself to get people to go to live shows.
[UNKNOWN]: And for a huge portion of history, it was like that.
[UNKNOWN]: And
[UNKNOWN]: You know, that changed in the 80s and TV wrestling became, you know, became a weapon during the cable wars and to the 80s and 90s that, you know, WWE refused, but we go back and talk about, you know, Georgia championship wrestling and black Saturday and all that kind of stuff.
[UNKNOWN]: And we currently stand here into those 26 where television wrestling has never been more important to the bottom line of these wrestling companies.
[UNKNOWN]: It is the number one revenue driver for the largest wrestling companies in the United States.
[UNKNOWN]: It is the really, in a lot of ways, the pivotal difference maker between like a company like AW and a company like MLW.
[UNKNOWN]: Is the standard of their weekly television and what network they're on, how much money they're getting, what does the product look like?
[UNKNOWN]: It's so vital to the wrestling industry as a whole, is your weekly television show, filling up those content hours for those networks that are desperate for live programming.
[UNKNOWN]: On the flip side, culturally, here in 2006, the idea of watching a live weekly, you know,
[UNKNOWN]: has feels outdated.
[UNKNOWN]: It's not in line with the way most people are a lot of people, especially younger people consume, you know, television shows and content in general.
[UNKNOWN]: Like Joe, you have kids, your kids watch any like shows weekly, like at the same time every week that's on live.
[UNKNOWN]: No.
[UNKNOWN]: Right, it would almost be like a foreign concept like all right, we're gonna watch a show, but it's only on it like you know like if your kids like it's the new episodes We're on it like 10 a.m. on Saturday morning right.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, no, they don't do anything like that.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, and do you yourself watch any television TV shows live like on a weekly basis at the time that those episodes air
[UNKNOWN]: As in, okay, it's Wednesday at 8.30.
[UNKNOWN]: I have to lock into insert show here.
[UNKNOWN]: That sort of thing?
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, I don't know.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, that's not wrestling or live sports, right?
[UNKNOWN]: No, no, I do not.
[UNKNOWN]: I don't think either there have been shows sometimes when they're on, really if I'm like, watch it.
[UNKNOWN]: There's a couple shows I watch with my roommate that we'll get into them.
[UNKNOWN]: But other than that, and basically not doing that, yet the wrestling industry is hinging on the idea that the person is going to tune into TNT or TBS at 8 o'clock on Wednesday night or Saturday night.
[UNKNOWN]: Or they're going to turn on Netflix on Monday night to watch RAW or they're going to turn on USA on Friday night to watch SmackDown and watch these programs live and the entire industry is based off of that concept when culturally we have moved so far away from it and I find that really interesting because
[UNKNOWN]: In addition to trying to, what it, what it leads to is that in addition to trying to get, you know, wrestling fans interested in their product by producing story lines and cool characters and having matches that people are interested in seeing, they're also kind of fighting this general, you know, pop culture societal practice that is moving away from watching weekly episodic television like that.
[UNKNOWN]: And I've just find that kind of fascinating.
[UNKNOWN]: It's TV wrestling is so important.
[UNKNOWN]: Yet all of our habits are moving away from wanting to watch television product like that.
[UNKNOWN]: Well, I think that wrestling might be similar to the types of shows that people still watch on a weekly schedule, though.
[UNKNOWN]: Your what I like to call modern game shows or what used to be called reality shows.
[UNKNOWN]: your talent shows like America's got talent or American Idol or something like survivor, right?
[UNKNOWN]: I consider those like modern game shows, but some of the quality shows, right?
[UNKNOWN]: I think that those type of shows, people are locking in Wednesday at 830 to make sure that they see it on its live airing or its original airing.
[UNKNOWN]: because there's a border cooler aspect to it.
[UNKNOWN]: You want to go on social media and talk about it in real time.
[UNKNOWN]: You want to be able to go to work the next day and talk about it.
[UNKNOWN]: And I think wrestling more slots in with those type of shows than it does a 30-minute sitcom or a one-hour police procedural drama or something like that, where there might not be that same,
[UNKNOWN]: people still do discuss shows like that in real time, I guess, on social media, but not to the same extent that they would something like a big brother or survivor or American idol or something like that.
[UNKNOWN]: So I think wrestling is more like those, more similar to that type of programming, then it is to, I think what you kind of had idealized in your mind there, like is Joe tuning in every Thursday to watch his favorite sitcom.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, I guess my point would be like, those shows that you're talking about like your America's got talents.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: Or you're talking about like these network shows that.
[UNKNOWN]: Like, are those attracting the younger demographic that these entities are that interested in?
[UNKNOWN]: Or those like wrestling kind of also battling this upstream, you know, they're trying to swim upstream.
[UNKNOWN]: I think overall, all of television is battling, finding younger viewers.
[UNKNOWN]: But I think in the context of other television shows, those shows always finish near the top in the ratings, which are categorized by the 18 to 49.
[UNKNOWN]: So, but, but you know, so in their own world, in, you know, in context of what television yes, they are drawing younger viewers, but television as a whole obviously is losing younger viewers.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: As someone, and I can, I can speak for myself, and I'll be interested in what you think.
[UNKNOWN]: Like as someone that has largely stopped watching, watching television, like on a consistent time basis, I have my favorite shows, but I kind of watch them whenever I want to watch them.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, same.
[UNKNOWN]: I don't, you know, if I don't know, like, oh, in the episode comes out, you know, the episode is uploaded to my favorite streaming service at like 10 p.m. on Wednesday nights, but I might watch that like on Saturday or whenever I have a minute to watch.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: Some of that watches most of their other things like that, I find like now like trying to watch dynamite each Wednesday to be like, wait, if I were to watching it live like to be like way more of a task.
[UNKNOWN]: because it's now in keeping it to the rest of my lifestyle.
[UNKNOWN]: There's nothing you do with the quality of the problems.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: It has to do with like, oh man.
[UNKNOWN]: All right.
[UNKNOWN]: I got a car about two hours to to watch wrestling.
[UNKNOWN]: Boy, you're speaking the my soul.
[UNKNOWN]: Yes.
[UNKNOWN]: Right.
[UNKNOWN]: And part of that is just largely because I don't watch anything like that.
[UNKNOWN]: like at their designated time, but sports have off seasons, sports have, you know, natural rhythms and like what's more important and what's a skipable kind of thing.
[UNKNOWN]: It's hard when you're just like, all right, gotta watch dynamite and like I sometimes, this is gonna sound.
[UNKNOWN]: really like bad and I feel bad kind of saying it, sometimes a little like annoyed when I find out like collision was really good because I'm like, alright, I have to watch this collision.
[UNKNOWN]: I don't know how I'm going to squeeze that into my life.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: And you're and you're really only watching one American promotion.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, like the producing episode I tell the
[UNKNOWN]: In the last 15 years, people who've gotten into Pirro is because don't have to watch it every week like that.
[UNKNOWN]: Right.
[UNKNOWN]: Like New Japan, as to use an example, kind of like not talking about the New Japan product at all, but just as a format, is really easy to watch all the stuff that matters and skip all the stuff that doesn't.
[UNKNOWN]: And it's in a annual schedule where you know, like during G1 season, yeah, you gotta be locked in, there's gonna be a show every day.
[UNKNOWN]: But then, you know, after
[UNKNOWN]: You know, what is the November paper for you called these days?
[UNKNOWN]: And you don't all parable at that.
[UNKNOWN]: You can be called as Vasion Attack, but I don't think it's been called that in years.
[UNKNOWN]: Destruction?
[UNKNOWN]: Nah, destructions in the spring, I feel like.
[UNKNOWN]: Anyway, the November paper view, that neither of our struggles, is a power struggle.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, the November paper view, that a big event that neither of us can remember just by the fact that we have a combined about 30 years of wrestling podcasting experience.
[UNKNOWN]: Good job out of us.
[UNKNOWN]: Yes.
[UNKNOWN]: Like after that's over you can kind of just like tune out until wrestle kingdom unless you really like the work, you know, the tag league, but I guess, and that's that's probably part of that appeal is that it's not like that, but like the idea of like watching wrestling now even when it's good feels like a chore because we don't watch weekly television like that anymore.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, it is destruction, by the way, but Yeah, I think with the Japanese promotions, it
[UNKNOWN]: they're very easy to watch because any any Japanese promotion really even if you're talking about all Japan or Noah or whoever.
[UNKNOWN]: you've got your big tour ending show and realistically, if you wanted to keep up with any of these promotions, you could just lock in on those 10 to 12 tour ending shows and you're good.
[UNKNOWN]: Toss in a court can hear there that looks interesting to you or a random title match that happens outside one of those big tour enders and how much time is that really committing really like one weekend day a month to like keep up with it.
[UNKNOWN]: So I guess that's really speaking to your point.
[UNKNOWN]: but circle him back to dynamite.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, there's absolutely weeks where I see it as a chore.
[UNKNOWN]: Like, I'll be watching a reds game or something on a Wednesday night.
[UNKNOWN]: And I'll remember that I have to watch dynamite after the, and I'm like, oh fuck, I gotta, you know, I thought I was home free tonight.
[UNKNOWN]: I gotta forgot dynamite on.
[UNKNOWN]: You know, and it's like, you shouldn't really ever feel like that.
[UNKNOWN]: If you wanna watch something, like you should always be excited for it.
[UNKNOWN]: I'll reiterate although I didn't really I thought this week's most recent episode wasn't good Don't have my it's been like really I was really good.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah really it's it has nothing to almost nothing to do with the quality now if it was bad I would it would always be easier because I just think I don't need to watch it's bad It's not gonna entertain and tell me right off whatever
[UNKNOWN]: I can get.
[UNKNOWN]: Which my situation's a little different.
[UNKNOWN]: I have to watch it no matter what.
[UNKNOWN]: But yes, absolutely.
[UNKNOWN]: If I wasn't in that situation, I agree with what you just said.
[UNKNOWN]: If the show was going through a period where I didn't like it very much or even if even some weeks where I was into the promotion, but I just like I had that feeling of dread like I wouldn't why would skip it.
[UNKNOWN]: And I totally understood what you were saying when you're like, oh, like, it's a bummer when you find out collision is good or has something that you have to see because now you have to, because here's the thing what wrestling versus other shows that you might be watching on streaming later.
[UNKNOWN]: You almost have to watch it in somewhat of a timely manner just to keep up with what's going on.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, so you want it, if you want it, and the other thing is like if you want it in, like you and I are both obviously huge people into this, if you want to engage in like discussion with other people and you know produce content related to it, which is you know essentially the major driving force between why why I watch wrestling now is basically because I've got this whole like thing going on and I like going to the discord and talking to people and and you know talking about wrestling with all these people that I've met.
[UNKNOWN]: Um, you kind of, you're right, like you can't just like put it all off and then just be like watching it six months later and be like guys.
[UNKNOWN]: I got some takes on the dynamite from February 13th.
[UNKNOWN]: Um, yeah, it's just like, it doesn't work like that.
[UNKNOWN]: You can't consume wrestling like that.
[UNKNOWN]: I don't even think even if you're not super engaged online, I don't think you can consume wrestling like that.
[UNKNOWN]: Because there's going to be monthly paper views and things that you can't, like for instance,
[UNKNOWN]: catching up on the bear.
[UNKNOWN]: But I just started season three.
[UNKNOWN]: Like season four is over.
[UNKNOWN]: I just started season three because there's no like I had no reason to prioritize that in my life.
[UNKNOWN]: I didn't have to have to.
[UNKNOWN]: In fact, with a lot of the shows that I like, I wait for a couple of seasons to be over because then I know when I'm in the mood to watch, I can bang it out in a week if I want to.
[UNKNOWN]: I'm so spoiled by what we have now in terms of modern consumption of television that I'm annoyed if I have to wait a week for an episode.
[UNKNOWN]: I rather just let it all play out and then watch it all of it at once when it's convenient for me.
[UNKNOWN]: You cannot consume wrestling that way.
[UNKNOWN]: You just can't.
[UNKNOWN]: I mean, I think if you're consuming wrestling that way, you're like a cycle path, who's watching six months of wrestling as like a binge watch, and like that's crazy.
[UNKNOWN]: Like so yeah, first of all, if you were talking about like two hour block a program in each week, yeah, the sheer hours of it would be like difficult.
[UNKNOWN]: The easiest way to watch it is once a week.
[UNKNOWN]: It's more akin to sports in that way because I don't even understand people who like can record a game and then watch it two days later like to me that cycle behavior like the game is over when it's over and me personally i've never watched a recorded sporting events i can't do it i'm not built for it like if if i can't watch a game
[UNKNOWN]: But I'm emotionally invested in that game.
[UNKNOWN]: I'm paying attention to it on my phone in some way.
[UNKNOWN]: I'm keeping up with this for.
[UNKNOWN]: I can't not know.
[UNKNOWN]: And then say, ah, day and a half later, let me settle in on the couch and watch this MBA Western Conference final game for.
[UNKNOWN]: I can't do that.
[UNKNOWN]: I don't understand how people can do that.
[UNKNOWN]: I don't have the patience with myself to be like, if I'm doing somewhere, like I can't watch this game because I've got this commitment that I can't get out of.
[UNKNOWN]: Like, I'm checking updates during the game.
[UNKNOWN]: Like, I'm looking at my phone, like, and there's no way I could just like go dark for days.
[UNKNOWN]: And then finally, and once I find out the results, like, I'm not gonna really wanna watch the whole game.
[UNKNOWN]: No, if I know the final score of a game, then there's nothing less interesting at that point than watching that game.
[UNKNOWN]: Who cares?
[UNKNOWN]: I guess it was like,
[UNKNOWN]: a game and like my team one and like a huge blowout like we're like all right let me just watch this like let's watch like the patriots kick the shit out of the raiders or something like that on this game i miss we won 48 to 10
[UNKNOWN]: Like, but like, if it was like a close game, I would just be like, uh, let me just like force fast forward to the end.
[UNKNOWN]: Or if we lost, forget about it, I'm not watching that shit.
[UNKNOWN]: No, but I know what happened.
[UNKNOWN]: Like, I've definitely gone to like YouTube for a highlights package of a game.
[UNKNOWN]: Oh, yes.
[UNKNOWN]: I mean, that I think, but to sit there and watch a whole game when you know who won.
[UNKNOWN]: I mean, that's like watching porn when you're not horny.
[UNKNOWN]: Like, what's the point?
[UNKNOWN]: There's like absolutely no point in that.
[UNKNOWN]: That's like leading porn on after you've completed your task.
[UNKNOWN]: Like nobody does that.
[UNKNOWN]: You can't turn it off fast enough.
[UNKNOWN]: Like there's no, you know, it becomes something that was titillating five seconds ago.
[UNKNOWN]: And now it's just kind of gross to watch it.
[UNKNOWN]: Now, that's like watching sports when you already know the score.
[UNKNOWN]: It's gross.
[UNKNOWN]: Like, what am I doing?
[UNKNOWN]: It's a complete waste of time.
[UNKNOWN]: I like, I've tried to watch.
[UNKNOWN]: Like, I'll miss one of my soccer team's games.
[UNKNOWN]: And then I will try to watch it.
[UNKNOWN]: And then I'll be like 30 minutes into the game.
[UNKNOWN]: It's my team going to score.
[UNKNOWN]: I don't want to watch this in my team never scores and we just lose.
[UNKNOWN]: Let me just check what the score is and then let's go to the score.
[UNKNOWN]: I'm like, all right, let me just fast forward to the goals.
[UNKNOWN]: And then I watch the game in like two minutes and then I'm done.
[UNKNOWN]: Right.
[UNKNOWN]: Like I don't have the patience to like sit there and watch it like I'm watching an actual game.
[UNKNOWN]: Bye.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, so I mean, bring it back to wrestling.
[UNKNOWN]: I couldn't even imagine just, ah, well, I've got three months worth of dynamite on my DVR.
[UNKNOWN]: Let me, let me bang this out.
[UNKNOWN]: I don't, I can't imagine anyone consumes it that.
[UNKNOWN]: How people do watch stuff like that.
[UNKNOWN]: wrestling though I don't well I feel like you talk about that sometimes like if you're going to catch up like on like on like you might catch up like for like get ready for like a big dragon gate show you'll be like all right i'm going to watch if he's a dragon gate show and i do that with tna a lot too but again i think you have to suck like i'm a different
[UNKNOWN]: case because you're doing that for like for so your list you feel like you have some trust with your listeners when you start talking about it.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, because you're like I'm really excited to watch it.
[UNKNOWN]: It's work.
[UNKNOWN]: Like I have to know what I'm talking about.
[UNKNOWN]: Like if if I didn't have to review slam aversary, I wouldn't watch three three months of TNATV to prepare for it.
[UNKNOWN]: I would just watch the fucking show like a normal person.
[UNKNOWN]: You know what I mean?
[UNKNOWN]: But I I
[UNKNOWN]: feel like if I'm, if people are gonna pay me to discuss something, I should know what the hell's going on, and I should be able to intelligently discuss it.
[UNKNOWN]: And that means having the context of the build and all of those things.
[UNKNOWN]: So I think I have to be set aside a bit when it comes to sort of that sort of way of consuming wrestling.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, I really don't, I don't watch dynamite live
[UNKNOWN]: I almost always watch it like when like Thursday morning, we're like Thursday evening I have like just
[UNKNOWN]: I had a, during the winter time, I had basketball league that I'm in that, that it's every Wednesday night, like right at dynamite time.
[UNKNOWN]: So I usually like, just like watch dynamite like the next day, and then sometimes I'm home and like I'm ready to watch dynamite.
[UNKNOWN]: But I watch it very rarely live now, which is probably bad for like a UW-Vership.
[UNKNOWN]: But like, it would be like, do you catch it live?
[UNKNOWN]: I'm like, oh, I gotta sit through these commercials.
[UNKNOWN]: I gotta sit through this segment.
[UNKNOWN]: I don't really wanna watch.
[UNKNOWN]: But more annoying than I would like to think, given that I overall, you know, pretty much greatly enjoy the product.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, if it's baseball season, I am never watching Dynamite Live.
[UNKNOWN]: It's just not happening.
[UNKNOWN]: It Wednesday, you know, Wednesday's never an off day for baseball.
[UNKNOWN]: Obviously, well, I could be getting away today.
[UNKNOWN]: Uh, that's true.
[UNKNOWN]: They could play a big game, but even so I would rather have a non I just because I just have for six months in this house baseball is not if there's a baseball game on it's it's on a TV somewhere.
[UNKNOWN]: I just I watch it's not just the red.
[UNKNOWN]: I just I just want baseball.
[UNKNOWN]: So baseball season.
[UNKNOWN]: I'm typically never watching down in my life in the fall in the winter.
[UNKNOWN]: I'm also usually not watching it live because that's the time of day where I'm cooking dinner for my family, where I'm spending time with the kids after school and where my life comes home and that's kind of like family time that.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, I mean, that's basically me.
[UNKNOWN]: Like I, I'm living my life and doing stuff.
[UNKNOWN]: I don't like it's, and then that's, we basically don't watch, outside of life sports don't watch any television like that.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, which is kind of back to my original point, which is like,
[UNKNOWN]: We're conditioned to like not this of any just have more options like I think like you could go back to, you know, the 90s and the 80s and in prior to that like television was what people watched at night.
[UNKNOWN]: So what people did like at 8 o'clock on a weekday night like 90% of Americans watching television are so sort of insanely high staff.
[UNKNOWN]: It's like close to that now.
[UNKNOWN]: Um, and that has to be because our society and all of our lifestyles have changed.
[UNKNOWN]: Well, especially if you, if you strip it down to live, network or cable television, you know, then it could be the numbers become even smaller.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: And I mean, I mean, most streaming stuff is not live, right, which is, is, which is, you know, a factor in this, right?
[UNKNOWN]: Like, I watch, I watch Dynamite on HBO Max,
[UNKNOWN]: using their replay feature.
[UNKNOWN]: Like I'm watching one of their other shows, like I'm not watching it live.
[UNKNOWN]: I'm watching it when I feel like it on demand, just like I would watch an episode of Game of Thrones or like an old episode of South Park or something like that.
[UNKNOWN]: Well then, so, okay, so what's your kind of thesis here?
[UNKNOWN]: Do you think that
[UNKNOWN]: wrestling promotions should adjust to the way most Americans live their life now or are you saying they have they they obviously have to continue being slaves to the television and television advertising industries because that's the lifeblood of their economy.
[UNKNOWN]: That's my point is that wrestling is dealing with
[UNKNOWN]: a society that's moving away from consuming their product in the way that is by far the most lucrative.
[UNKNOWN]: And the fact the only reason it's so lucrative as it is today is because of the idea that wrestling as a live sporting program is something that's more immune to the habitual watching of other shows.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, but yeah, so then it just like I said though, if, if, if you, if they see it, if it's seen more as a reality show or sports in that people are prioritizing watching it live, but I think wrestling does exist and that's weird space where
[UNKNOWN]: some people do see it that way and feel like, no, I have to watch dynamite life.
[UNKNOWN]: If I don't watch dynamite life, I'm gonna be behind with my friend groups and I just love it so much that I want to watch it live.
[UNKNOWN]: There's that's that factor too.
[UNKNOWN]: And, or, you know, more so than a Sikama or a show.
[UNKNOWN]: I don't know, but we have to figure out where wrestling settles in that.
[UNKNOWN]: And neither you or I just watch dynamite life and we're like psychos.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, but I, there's, there's Pete, there are, I can guarantee you there's people listening to this right now who would find it absurd to ever miss dynamite life or their favorite wrestling show live unless it was a commitment they could absolutely could not get out of in the same way that I would find it patently absurd.
[UNKNOWN]: I panic when I'm like, oh shit, the reds are starting in three minutes and I'm like running to a TV to make sure I get it on and there are people who consume wrestling promotions that way.
[UNKNOWN]: Where it's it's a huge part of the life and it's no I'm not and I agree I was just using us as examples of like yeah like hard for wrestling fans and even us are like we don't really need to watch that life yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah and like the idea of trying to a track and this is always the funny thing when people talk about casual fans and things like that.
[UNKNOWN]: The idea of getting like, you know, a 25 year old to be like, yeah, watch this wrestling program live.
[UNKNOWN]: Like make sure you're never doing anything at 8 to 10 p.m. East Coast time ever again or if you're raw, you know, whenever time you're raw, whenever show you want to talk about, like getting somebody to commit to that is gonna be very even more difficult than it already is.
[UNKNOWN]: Go forward.
[UNKNOWN]: Well, you mean, like, moving it to raw the Netflix?
[UNKNOWN]: No, I'm saying, like, like, say, like, my friend is kind of interrestling and I'm like, yeah, you should watch dynamite.
[UNKNOWN]: Oh, I see, I see.
[UNKNOWN]: Like, like, make sure you carve out eight two hours every Wednesday nights to watch it live and never do anything else again with your life.
[UNKNOWN]: and like someone who's not like really really committed to it, but is maybe sampling the product or likes a few wrestlers or is interested in one match or one program or something like that, that person is, it's gonna be hard, it's a hard sell to get that person to commit now so much time to it.
[UNKNOWN]: I think it's one of the big problems WWE's had on Netflix.
[UNKNOWN]: It's just the idea that it can be a lot.
[UNKNOWN]: And I think all of the shows are too long, but I think everyone acknowledges that they're too long.
[UNKNOWN]: I think if you look, WWE had to be dragged kicking and screaming into that third hour by a giant pile of money.
[UNKNOWN]: They didn't want to do that.
[UNKNOWN]: If you asked Tony Khan and he, you know, and it was just you him in the lamp post in the room, he'd probably tell you he doesn't want to do, well, maybe he does because he's kind of crazy, but like, I don't think two hours is the ideal length, definitely not for collision and not for dynamite either.
[UNKNOWN]: I mean, I think these shows are too long, but that's.
[UNKNOWN]: you have to follow the money.
[UNKNOWN]: They're paying, this is, you know, where they're, they're making their money.
[UNKNOWN]: The WWE syndicated shows in the 80s were not two hours long.
[UNKNOWN]: They were not three hours long.
[UNKNOWN]: They were one hour long because the money was in pay per view and how shows.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: And they were essentially in all your, you're, it's basically an advertisement for people either the pay per views or the how shows.
[UNKNOWN]: Right.
[UNKNOWN]: So these are squash matches and you do one, you know, match the ends in a double EQ so that then you can theoretically see the blow off match hat whenever they're coming into your city.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: So these promotions are a slave to the television money in multiple ways because these wrestling shows do excellent numbers for these networks and WBD wants two hours of this shit every Wednesday because it's two hours of solid ratings that nothing else is going to
[UNKNOWN]: Sports or any other type of television.
[UNKNOWN]: It's on 52 weeks a year.
[UNKNOWN]: It doesn't have an offseason.
[UNKNOWN]: Theoretically, it has a very consistent or at least at base level floor for viewership.
[UNKNOWN]: People, those people that are going to watch every week no matter what.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, we'll look at WBD when the NHL and MBA playoffs are going on.
[UNKNOWN]: They still want that extra hour of collision from Tony come hell or high water, whether he has to tack it on on Wednesdays as a third hour, whether they have to put it on the middle of the night.
[UNKNOWN]: They're going to find a way to get even that second hour of collision because it's so valuable to them, which is also kind of used.
[UNKNOWN]: That's a great point, and it should be used to dispel future.
[UNKNOWN]: Any future rumors, WPD is very upset with.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, you know, this is a different gentleman's wrestling podcast topic, but I think that also is our awful habit as pundits in wrestling paying too much attention to people who either aren't in good faith or just aren't ignorant or we just can't help ourselves to acknowledge these people and their awful points.
[UNKNOWN]: And that's, again, that's a completely different show that you might invite me on to at another time.
[UNKNOWN]: Oh, I think that's yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: And I think that concept has shifted from we spread to which I'm talking about them.
[UNKNOWN]: I feel like years ago, used to be, we talk about these like gifters because we were mad at them.
[UNKNOWN]: And now people talk about them because they just want to dunk on them and make fun of how stupid their points are, which is definitely the category that I fall into.
[UNKNOWN]: I also think there's the idea of
[UNKNOWN]: Man, this account that calls itself at AEW each shit 69 X, you know, they, they got 400 likes for this ignore.
[UNKNOWN]: That's the dumbest thing, especially knowing what we know about like social media engagement.
[UNKNOWN]: I agree, but I think there's this psychological thing where it's like, too many people think that they're making a good point.
[UNKNOWN]: So I have to quote, tweet them and look, we are all guilty of this.
[UNKNOWN]: This is not me absolving myself.
[UNKNOWN]: Or there's a psychological thing where you're like, oh no, we can't let this become the truth.
[UNKNOWN]: But the reality is, it's just 400 other extremely stupid people like at AEW each ship 69x.
[UNKNOWN]: I mean, yeah, durian.
[UNKNOWN]: During my AEW fan survey, when I talk to the fans who had started watching AEW in this past year, one of the things I was most interested to hear about was I asked them basically, you know, what kind of narratives or things did you hear about AEW before you started watching where you were of like,
[UNKNOWN]: things people had said about the product being bad or not telling stories or anything like that.
[UNKNOWN]: And all of those people said like some of them or said they had no idea and then the other ones said yeah I heard it but it was like very obvious that it was like you know not a good faith criticism and there was no way the show could be that bad and blah blah blah blah and I found that very heartening obviously it's very small sample size but just to know that like oh actual
[UNKNOWN]: that there are some people that are just smarter than we think they are when they come.
[UNKNOWN]: There are dumb people out there where it's frustrating to think like this person maybe could have been, you know, a fan that watches other recent promotions, but they listen to Eric Bishoff or insert.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: Well, what are people just cannot be saved and that's a lesson Dave Meltzer will never learn.
[UNKNOWN]: And it's also, some people can't be saved and here's the other thing as Canada ties the game.
[UNKNOWN]: Some people go spoiler.
[UNKNOWN]: Oh, you're like a minute of like five seconds ahead of me.
[UNKNOWN]: Am I ahead of you?
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, you said that in like Kyle Aaron was just getting the ball.
[UNKNOWN]: And then they were in then he scored.
[UNKNOWN]: So I that was like a five seconds spoiler.
[UNKNOWN]: Well, then that will be more cognizant of that for the next 20 minutes of this of this World Cup contest, which also pulls the curtain back in reveals when this show was actually reviewed.
[UNKNOWN]: I was actually rewarded.
[UNKNOWN]: We won't be talking about the wealth calculator on this podcast.
[UNKNOWN]: Don't you worry.
[UNKNOWN]: I need all your take slans.
[UNKNOWN]: You're going to get them.
[UNKNOWN]: I've been what I've been locked in.
[UNKNOWN]: I can tell you're locked in.
[UNKNOWN]: You're ahead of me.
[UNKNOWN]: So there's some people who can't be saved, but the point I was going to make is there's also people who don't want to be saved.
[UNKNOWN]: No, not at all.
[UNKNOWN]: They have no interest.
[UNKNOWN]: It's just a game to them.
[UNKNOWN]: There are people who wake up in the morning.
[UNKNOWN]: They crack their knuckles.
[UNKNOWN]: And they're like, all right.
[UNKNOWN]: How can I shit on the wrestling promotion I don't like today?
[UNKNOWN]: And what can I take out of context?
[UNKNOWN]: What can I spin?
[UNKNOWN]: How can I fight this battle of who could care less today?
[UNKNOWN]: How can I do that?
[UNKNOWN]: That's what these people are doing.
[UNKNOWN]: They don't want to be saved.
[UNKNOWN]: They don't care about facts.
[UNKNOWN]: So there's no point countering them or tweeting them and you have to try to fight the best you can this psychological urge of, oh, well, this is what everyone thinks.
[UNKNOWN]: No, it's just of 400 other very dumb people who can't or don't want to be saved.
[UNKNOWN]: Anyway, that's not even the topic we're talking about here, it's not, but it's, I mean, there's some relevance to that, but I'm thinking like the casual family, we don't have a, like, we don't have a raw Netflix all day, like, so this week, you know, bad rating came out and.
[UNKNOWN]: I've seen both Brandon Thurston and Dave Meltzer.
[UNKNOWN]: While they have slightly different opinions, or kind of thoughts on what the actual viewership total is, both of them have come out and stated that they think that it's reasonable to believe that raw was getting more viewers on USA, than it was on Netflix.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: I don't know how that could even be disputed at this point even if you do your own back of the envelope math and aren't even as deep in the weeds as those two guys are yeah, but it seems and so and that that leads to a lot of different things and you know obviously rock on an effort was a huge kind of moment where we're like we like I
[UNKNOWN]: I said on this podcast, I don't really know what to expect.
[UNKNOWN]: We could see WWE explode in popularity because
[UNKNOWN]: It's on Netflix, you know, the thing most people are watching and it's going to be in that Netflix carousel and people are like, oh, I guess I watched raw and it's going to attract a younger demographic and all those kind of stuff like that or it could be breaking with tradition and a lot of people that were regular viewers on USA network aren't going to feel like they're going to watch want to watch on Netflix aren't going to make the effort to watch it and it's actually going to hurt the company.
[UNKNOWN]: And now that we're
[UNKNOWN]: Let's start off with this year last January, wasn't it?
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, yeah, that's right.
[UNKNOWN]: So now we're 18 months into it.
[UNKNOWN]: And it kind of feels like Netflix doesn't really mean anything for the WWE product.
[UNKNOWN]: And if anything, it's more towards that latter case, where it is broken the weekly wrestling tradition for some fans.
[UNKNOWN]: And they've moved on.
[UNKNOWN]: And the fact that they have less viewers than they did on USA,
[UNKNOWN]: kind of seems like implausible when you consider like all the discussion about where viewers are going, cables, bleeding viewers, Netflix is bigger than cable, more people have Netflix subscribers than our cable subscribers, blah, blah, blah, and yet we're now sitting here with WWE's now seemingly at least raw as less popular in the United States than when it was on networked out our cable television.
[UNKNOWN]: You know, about a year and a half ago, a very, very smart and insightful
[UNKNOWN]: Um, yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: I can't say I predicted it.
[UNKNOWN]: I suggested it as a possible outcome.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: I mean, I felt this was a definite possibility because
[UNKNOWN]: W-W-E fans watching W-W-E wrestling on a Monday night on their television, whether it's USA Network or for a brief period of time, Spike TV or whatever the fuck, and then back to you.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, that's true.
[UNKNOWN]: Right.
[UNKNOWN]: Was, you know, there's a, there's a habit that's formed there.
[UNKNOWN]: It's what you do on a Monday night, much in the way that Dynamite has not been able to corral us in making that what we do on a Wednesday night, like we just talked about.
[UNKNOWN]: Uh, WWE didn't fact cultivate that habit for decades with their fan base Monday night's prime time.
[UNKNOWN]: That's when wrestling is happening.
[UNKNOWN]: And that's when I turn on my TV and watch and
[UNKNOWN]: And people said, all right, well, it's no big deal.
[UNKNOWN]: Now, they'll just turn on Netflix and do the same thing.
[UNKNOWN]: And I didn't feel like that would be the case.
[UNKNOWN]: I just think that as silly as it sounds, there is that extra barrier of picking up that other remote for your fire stick or the remote for your TV.
[UNKNOWN]: You know, tracking down the app, which all of this are sound like the most first world problems that there are, but those things are real and then, you know, watching something on an app, which you almost feel like you're walled in because there's that aspect of streaming that they have yet to perfect.
[UNKNOWN]: And when they do, that will be the death null of cable.
[UNKNOWN]: You can't channel flip.
[UNKNOWN]: And that sounds frivolous and silly, but it is a real thing where people feel they have walled in huge things.
[UNKNOWN]: We talk about raw.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, and because there's always other sports going on on a Monday night, no matter what time of year it is, especially during football season.
[UNKNOWN]: You could see it during like the, you know, we used to get more reliable quarter hour data, like, you know, raw would always do good for the first 20 minutes before Monday, football would be on.
[UNKNOWN]: And then,
[UNKNOWN]: It would go up during half time of one day, I thought, Bob, because people could be back on, or bonrar, and they would even book portions of the show around like, what's going on?
[UNKNOWN]: Like, okay, one they go to at nine, or nine, 40, when they go to halftime, that's when we'll put on one of our big angles for the show.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: And I just think not even specific to, um, you know, Mondays with wrestling.
[UNKNOWN]: I mean, there's just, that's a big barrier for people who, it, and particularly sports fans, mostly, who like who don't want to feel walled in.
[UNKNOWN]: Because no matter what anybody says and you could scoff at this, it's a fucking hassle to press back on that remote, get out of that app, go back to your cable or go back to a different streamer to check in on the other thing, then wait for the buffering wheel and then do the same thing and then three minutes later to get back to the wrestling, it's just people aren't going to deal with it.
[UNKNOWN]: And what what I think is happening specifically with raw Netflix.
[UNKNOWN]: is for a lot of people, first of all, this idea that literally everyone has Netflix, well, first of all, that's false.
[UNKNOWN]: Yes, a lot of people have Netflix, but not everyone has Netflix, okay?
[UNKNOWN]: So let's start there because you can't just flip itly throw that out there.
[UNKNOWN]: I'm not saying you're doing that, but people did that when it was moving to Netflix.
[UNKNOWN]: It was gonna be great, everyone had, no they don't, not everybody has Netflix.
[UNKNOWN]: No I think it's probably shifted a little bit more in Netflix's direction, but around the time of the switch,
[UNKNOWN]: cable as Netflix.
[UNKNOWN]: It was quite yeah, it was relatively close for the purposes of this discussion.
[UNKNOWN]: And the other thing is, no matter, you know, just people don't have to believe this if they don't want.
[UNKNOWN]: I'm confident that this is true.
[UNKNOWN]: There is a, it broke the habit because mentally, if you know that it's on Netflix, okay, versus it being on USA Network, even with,
[UNKNOWN]: Even with DVRs existing, it's still a mental thing where it's like, oh, it's on Netflix, I can watch it later.
[UNKNOWN]: It's always going to be on Netflix.
[UNKNOWN]: It broke the habit of this is what I do on Monday's at eight.
[UNKNOWN]: And it was going to break that habit.
[UNKNOWN]: And I look for the most hardcore fan.
[UNKNOWN]: you're never breaking that habit.
[UNKNOWN]: They're going to be locked in.
[UNKNOWN]: You can put that you can you can air it on fucking crackle and they're going to find it.
[UNKNOWN]: They're not going to miss it amount of what but for a decent chunk of the audience.
[UNKNOWN]: I always felt that this was going to break the habit for them and then once you miss a week.
[UNKNOWN]: And then don't bother watching it on Tuesday, Wednesday or Thursday.
[UNKNOWN]: And then the next Monday comes around and you're like, hi, miss last week, I could miss this week.
[UNKNOWN]: I'll read another recap.
[UNKNOWN]: Now the habit is broken.
[UNKNOWN]: And now you're either almost never watching or you're no longer watching it all because it doesn't take that long to break that habit.
[UNKNOWN]: And I think moving to Netflix versus moving down the dial to another
[UNKNOWN]: Right.
[UNKNOWN]: That's always been a fear.
[UNKNOWN]: Even as much as just moving down the dial has caused wrestling shows to lose viewers.
[UNKNOWN]: Television shows moving nights historically has always been a has made showrunners very nervous because
[UNKNOWN]: people are creatures of habit, right?
[UNKNOWN]: Maybe they like watching your show Wednesday at eight, but if you move at the Friday at 930, now you fucked up, they do something Friday, and now they're not going to go out of their way to watch your show.
[UNKNOWN]: Moving to Netflix, I thought it was going to be a big habit breaker.
[UNKNOWN]: I felt that way.
[UNKNOWN]: And to me, that's why there's less people watching Raw on the United States, because I think that's the effect that has taken place.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, I think
[UNKNOWN]: One of the things I was really interested in when they were moving to Netflix was your typical Netflix viewer or fan views Netflix the exact way to describe, which is it's on demand viewing for whenever you want to watch something.
[UNKNOWN]: Yes, that's how Netflix, you know, has largely built its brand and it's the habit that all of these these people are in.
[UNKNOWN]: which, looking at wrestling fandom of graphics, you might start an area on a crackle.
[UNKNOWN]: But they would find it.
[UNKNOWN]: But you have all these other people that are like, yeah, I can watch it later.
[UNKNOWN]: It's on Netflix or Netflix to them is not how they viewed cable television.
[UNKNOWN]: Those are a lot of similar people, but they're different.
[UNKNOWN]: audiences in general.
[UNKNOWN]: And if the Netflix audience is younger than the cable viewership, which I think it's almost certainly is, you're also getting those people who we've talked about culturally, not going to really be interested in watching something like live all the time, and sitting through a bunch of commercials and things like that.
[UNKNOWN]: I have never watched raw Netflix.
[UNKNOWN]: If you watch raw Netflix after the fact you have to sit through the commercials,
[UNKNOWN]: Uh, yes.
[UNKNOWN]: Well, I, you know what?
[UNKNOWN]: I don't want to definitively say that.
[UNKNOWN]: I think it depends on your plan.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: So if you have like the fancy no actually no ads plan, but my real answer is I don't know when I shouldn't say anything.
[UNKNOWN]: Because when I watch dynamite on HBO Max, I can, I,
[UNKNOWN]: Go, break through those commercials.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, yeah, the ads are there for Dynamite for sure.
[UNKNOWN]: And again, they're there, but I can skip them.
[UNKNOWN]: You can, yeah, it fast forward pretty quickly.
[UNKNOWN]: And if you want to hear the most massive first world decision-making process ever, I always choose my DVR over max only because it's slightly easier to fast forward through the commercials on my DVR than it is on max.
[UNKNOWN]: That's how I'm making my viewing decision.
[UNKNOWN]: Well, you can historically have had some trouble finding Dynamite on max.
[UNKNOWN]: That's because it was categorized awful in an awful way until they they they corrected that I mean I never had a problem finding it all right well I got you know it's a big problem with the streaming Is that people loved it to talk about the discussion that we just had a second ago, which is like yeah everyone just projects whatever their personal experiences and then of course discounts everyone else is
[UNKNOWN]: Like we talked about this like when they had um, this is more like when at a w when people would buy their stream Who is there using the bleacher report like paper view app or yeah?
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: Like I personally never had a problem with it It was very easy for me, but everyone's saying oh, it's so hard and then I'd be like, oh, you guys just start doing it wrong You dummies, but like obviously it's just a different experience for everyone
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, or I love the person who goes, well, I don't have cable and nobody I know has cable.
[UNKNOWN]: Well, first of all, you're lying, do you know somebody who has cable?
[UNKNOWN]: Second of all, yeah, you're 23.
[UNKNOWN]: Of course, none of your friends have cable.
[UNKNOWN]: We all know eventually nobody's gonna have cable, but there's millions of people who are 40 who have cable.
[UNKNOWN]: There are millions of people who are 60 who have cable and they are people.
[UNKNOWN]: They count.
[UNKNOWN]: They don't, they don't not count as people.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: You just extrapolate your experience to that must be everyone.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, I have never liked it.
[UNKNOWN]: I've never paid for a cable bill in my life.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, I have my parents' cable login accounts that I used to watch on smart devices.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, and then we have a, like in my living room, we have a big TV, and like most people have in a living room.
[UNKNOWN]: My roommate, it's a real coup, we have a real coup, and my roommate has her parents direct TV log in on that.
[UNKNOWN]: So I just open up the direct TV app on the real coup TV and I'm essentially watching direct TV.
[UNKNOWN]: Right, right.
[UNKNOWN]: So it's like, I don't have cable, but I'm certainly watching stuff on cable and have access to cable, even though I myself am not personally paying for the cable.
[UNKNOWN]: Right, right.
[UNKNOWN]: But yeah, no I get those I get those like LA games too, which is seems kind of like a like a dangerous work around to like
[UNKNOWN]: Like, I can watch all the Dodgers games I want without paying for, um, why is this a roommate?
[UNKNOWN]: Is there parents from LA or something?
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, yeah, sorry.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: So you're getting there.
[UNKNOWN]: Right.
[UNKNOWN]: So you're logging into their loss angeless.
[UNKNOWN]: They get the loss.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: I think something LA.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: That's kind of cool.
[UNKNOWN]: It's pretty sick, actually.
[UNKNOWN]: Sometimes late at night, I'll put on some like late night baseball and there's no, life sports on.
[UNKNOWN]: Right around here.
[UNKNOWN]: It's like, all right, time to check in on.
[UNKNOWN]: Jose Sorriana when the Los Angeles Angels event and I'm yeah, but yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: So I do think though like that the Netflix viewer is a little bit different than the cable viewer and even regular cable viewers view Netflix differently in the eyes.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, just a psychological aspect to it.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, and the idea of like,
[UNKNOWN]: I'm going to walk into to to draw every week and for the variety of reasons.
[UNKNOWN]: And I think, you know, not being able to switch channels is a big one because
[UNKNOWN]: Um, and it's kind of bad for like the casual fan argument, like your, your Royal Rumble to WrestleMania type of WWE fan.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, that guy absolutely does not want to be walled in for two hours and 20 minutes on a Monday night.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, that guy is never going to be walled and that's a great point.
[UNKNOWN]: like the idea of like, and part of the idea was like, oh, this will be good because we'll like turn on like the casual fan, right?
[UNKNOWN]: We'll get on the Netflix carousel.
[UNKNOWN]: Netflix will do this huge advertising push for us.
[UNKNOWN]: We'll get all these people that you know are.
[UNKNOWN]: I've never watched wrestling before or they're really, um,
[UNKNOWN]: Lapsed fans and we'll get them to watch just like the idea was that when they were going to be on Fox, I was going to be the case in the end of not being the case, but like the idea we're going to reach all these kind of new or or laughs people.
[UNKNOWN]: But that person that's like watching raw, you could start raw if you're like someone doesn't watch wrestling and while you could start with like a really hot angle or something cool.
[UNKNOWN]: But as soon as something bad happens and on raw, stupid shit's going to happen a lot, it's going to be offensive to the average viewer in terms of
[UNKNOWN]: They're going to be like, oh, this is kind of stupid.
[UNKNOWN]: I'm going to turn this off.
[UNKNOWN]: And they're not going to flip back it, you know, 20 sooner or later, which they might have.
[UNKNOWN]: No, they're going to, they're going to, the football game is going to catch their attention.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, or the ball.
[UNKNOWN]: So when they're going to start watching something else that they want to watch, and they're going to shoot it in there.
[UNKNOWN]: And they're not going to be like, oh, that's all right.
[UNKNOWN]: Let me see what, you know, the latest.
[UNKNOWN]: Netflix show of the week is, um, yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: So it's always one of those, too.
[UNKNOWN]: So Netflix show that has 10 episodes there.
[UNKNOWN]: When talks about it, and then forgets about it.
[UNKNOWN]: And when you talk to people in the streaming business, they recognize that they have to solve the channel flipping problem.
[UNKNOWN]: I mean, that is like problem number one that they need to solve right now.
[UNKNOWN]: This seems like more of kind of like a smart TV functionality.
[UNKNOWN]: I mean, it all works hand in hand, but I mean, they, someone's got to figure it out.
[UNKNOWN]: I mean, that's real, that's going to be the point
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, that's it's also something that's that's only really pretty it to live Television or live event that you're watching though.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, well mostly mostly, but
[UNKNOWN]: I mean, you know, there's still people who, you know, they get bored with things and they want to flip around and see sometimes when you're watching TV, you're not necessarily locked into one thing, even if it's not something live that you're watching.
[UNKNOWN]: It's just, but again, to me it's all psychological.
[UNKNOWN]: You don't ever want to feel walled in.
[UNKNOWN]: That's what the barrier is for me.
[UNKNOWN]: I don't want to feel walled in a lot of the time.
[UNKNOWN]: I'm only going to watch something on streaming if it's my only option.
[UNKNOWN]: If my option, if something is streaming end on TV, I'm putting it on TV.
[UNKNOWN]: You know, like, and that really is most sport, most sports now, because I have every app under the sun.
[UNKNOWN]: I, you know, I pay for it.
[UNKNOWN]: I pay for it.
[UNKNOWN]: I just think I'm actually, they got you, they got me.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, I'm a person of convenience.
[UNKNOWN]: And because I'm lucky enough, I guess to have the means, I don't want to sell like a piece of shit.
[UNKNOWN]: Now, you can understand, we have to realize land that you have no life outside of watching television.
[UNKNOWN]: So these are actually money at all.
[UNKNOWN]: So this is actually, we're actually spending way less money.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, but but seriously like I have every streamer you can possibly have just because my mindset is I don't want to ever not have something and then say oh I can't watch this thing because I don't have this that no I just my whole thing is I'm just paying for everything and I'm just going to have everything so when it comes to sports as you know most of this year is now simultaneous both on TV and on whatever associated streamer right whether it's is if it's yes
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, P caught Paramount Plus.
[UNKNOWN]: He caught.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: Paramount Plus is CBS.
[UNKNOWN]: So every single time, if I have the option between, it's streaming somewhere, this game I want to watch or it's on TV, I'm picking TV because of the walled-in aspect.
[UNKNOWN]: I'm always watching it on TV.
[UNKNOWN]: Even if I know the picture might be a little crisper on the streamer, because I'm choosing TV because I want that ability to get out more easily if I want to, I don't want to feel walled-in.
[UNKNOWN]: And also because I don't even want to have to deal with a potential buffering wheel.
[UNKNOWN]: I don't know what anybody else is doing in the house.
[UNKNOWN]: Everybody's fucking on the internet doing something stream is a, I don't want to even deal with 10 seconds of a fucking buffering wheel or a streaming issue.
[UNKNOWN]: TV's more reliable and TV doesn't have me walled in.
[UNKNOWN]: And I think when streaming figures out those things, when it particularly the channel flipping, that will be the death note, sports fans are basically keeping cable alive.
[UNKNOWN]: Let's be honest about it.
[UNKNOWN]: No, and that's one of the reasons wrestling has been so valuable to these cable companies with that with that being the idea you give me reliable sports where I where I don't feel walled in I wouldn't have cable either, but I I can't live without cable, I don't know, ironically, like sports.
[UNKNOWN]: Which keeps cable alive, but also teaches you like tolerate commercials.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: Like your kids who aren't watching live that much live television.
[UNKNOWN]: Like I've heard this with other people's kids.
[UNKNOWN]: So I don't know if your kids are saying, what's up?
[UNKNOWN]: What's up?
[UNKNOWN]: Oh yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: When they were, they're a little more emotionally mature because they're a little older now.
[UNKNOWN]: But the first time that I put on Nickelodeon for them because the internet was out or whatever.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: We got to go back to the Stone Age.
[UNKNOWN]: Right.
[UNKNOWN]: When they were like toddlers, and a commercial came on,
[UNKNOWN]: they would point to the TV and cry.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, like it went away, yeah, yeah, yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: Like make this go away, like why can we skip it?
[UNKNOWN]: Like no, you just have to sit through it.
[UNKNOWN]: This is live TV, like you can't explain that to a two-year-old.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, you know.
[UNKNOWN]: And from an economic perspective, like we just tolerate the commercials are part of it in a way that some people don't tolerate with like their favorite streaming shows.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, they weren't born into that shit.
[UNKNOWN]: They don't want to deal with it.
[UNKNOWN]: When they're watching YouTube, they're waiting for that, they got the remote in their hand like we all do.
[UNKNOWN]: Waiting for that five-second timer to go down.
[UNKNOWN]: has these hydration breaks, which you've noticed if you watched the games, typically soccer games don't have that.
[UNKNOWN]: And they've had them in the past for games that are played in hot weather, it's kind of standard.
[UNKNOWN]: But since soccer has mostly played in winter months, it rarely happens outside of America.
[UNKNOWN]: Like, just for the walk-up, it's the first time I've ever seen it.
[UNKNOWN]: Fox is showing commercials during these hydration breaks.
[UNKNOWN]: Usually, it would just be like a one or two minute thing and that commentators would kill some time and they'd show some highlights and things like that.
[UNKNOWN]: But now we're going to commercials, and it's killing me because soccer, one of the great things about soccer, is that there's commercials before the game, there's commercials in half time, and there's commercials at the end of the game.
[UNKNOWN]: You don't have to constantly break tick commercials like in every other American sport.
[UNKNOWN]: And they, like, like, they, the TV executives were most of a slap in high fives.
[UNKNOWN]: And you know, chest bumps when they found out about these hydration breaks, they're going to be incorporated.
[UNKNOWN]: Because like, we could throw some commercials right in the middle of the games.
[UNKNOWN]: That's, you know, rubbing their, their greedy capitalist poms together.
[UNKNOWN]: And it's it's it's because, but I guess the point is like I'm used to not watch commercials in the middle of a soccer game and now there's commercials and I'm making me more upset than if and I'm you know any of us you're like you're like a toddler watching people pointing and crying about the game being turned off because I'm seeing this I will also I also hasn't helped that they've had they have this need to have the same like five world cup commercials I've ever seen this Timothy
[UNKNOWN]: Already, and I'm like, oh, this is going to be a long turn of me because I'm already tired of seeing this channel and make commercial and it's not going anywhere because it probably cost them like millions of dollars to make the McDonald's commemorative cups you've got them all memorized it this yeah I tell you what David Beckham is caching in this world cup season he's in like eight different commercials right now.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah
[UNKNOWN]: Well, you know, handsome man.
[UNKNOWN]: No, I mean, he's like the most famous player.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, he's one of the most famous players, especially to American fans.
[UNKNOWN]: So he's perfectly marketable for it, but he wasn't.
[UNKNOWN]: He's like, shack.
[UNKNOWN]: He was not saying no to any suggestion ideas.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: Hey, make it while you can get it.
[UNKNOWN]: I'm sure he's not strapped for cash.
[UNKNOWN]: You know they never have enough.
[UNKNOWN]: Some people do.
[UNKNOWN]: Who?
[UNKNOWN]: Sight sources on that one they they they they never feel like they have enough I guess like Michael Jordan what was less than we saw him in a commercial I guess there's people who disappear Yeah, that would be me.
[UNKNOWN]: Are we all like to say it would be us, but would it be do we know that for sure?
[UNKNOWN]: I like to think that it would be me.
[UNKNOWN]: I can actually feel really confident that it like if I won like A really serious like let's say I want a hundred million dollars.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah
[UNKNOWN]: Well, is that your number?
[UNKNOWN]: I just threw out that number.
[UNKNOWN]: It's probably significant lower than that.
[UNKNOWN]: I just threw out a number that I couldn't possibly go through.
[UNKNOWN]: Unless I just did really reckless spending or spent tens of millions of dollars in the bad investment.
[UNKNOWN]: But just in terms of just go away for every money, I feel like I really wouldn't sell out for money.
[UNKNOWN]: Are you familiar at all with murder Brian from the street fight the old street fight podcast and now I'm not familiar with a came on a podcast, but I'm familiar with his social media presence.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, right, right, it's a good idea for me avatar.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, yeah, you know who he is.
[UNKNOWN]: Is the point.
[UNKNOWN]: He used to say that his his his goalway and disappear forever number was $200,000.
[UNKNOWN]: And I always tell you, I always found that so funny, but that's not a massive amount of money, but but that's the perfect answer that he would give.
[UNKNOWN]: Like, just give me $200,000.
[UNKNOWN]: You'll never hear from me again.
[UNKNOWN]: And you know what?
[UNKNOWN]: I believe he can make that $200,000 work.
[UNKNOWN]: And I totally believe him that that doesn't go away, some, but that has, but that has to be the lowest go away sum that I've ever heard.
[UNKNOWN]: And it depends on where you live, I guess.
[UNKNOWN]: $200,000.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: We're out of time.
[UNKNOWN]: What time period am I living in with the 200,000?
[UNKNOWN]: He said like 10 years ago.
[UNKNOWN]: Who's that?
[UNKNOWN]: I know.
[UNKNOWN]: But the idea is like maybe in like 1910, that would be enough.
[UNKNOWN]: Oh, well, you could get me to go away.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: I think for $200,000, you're not getting rid of me.
[UNKNOWN]: I'm still infiltrating the airwaves and annoying people.
[UNKNOWN]: 200,000 dollars a little, that's not enough.
[UNKNOWN]: I think I'd keep plugging along if I came into $200,000.
[UNKNOWN]: Now, you might be able to, but you might be able, you would eventually be able to, if you kept plugging away, you'd eventually clear $200,000.
[UNKNOWN]: Well, that's, you know, I'm trying to be humble.
[UNKNOWN]: I'm just saying, yeah, you know, a love song, even, not I'm not $100,000 is like one month of those Patreon subscriptions, although I can stretch a 200, I think I'd be very good at stretching $200,000.
[UNKNOWN]: Oh yeah, I do.
[UNKNOWN]: I'm very good at not spending money to the degree that has actually hurt me in some ways because I sometimes have trouble like spending money on myself and like I'll slurge a little bit, but then a part of me will get like lose a little enjoyment because I'll think
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, Jesse, I don't want anything.
[UNKNOWN]: I like literally there's like nothing I want.
[UNKNOWN]: Like it in terms of like an items, I hate stuff.
[UNKNOWN]: I don't have anything that I want.
[UNKNOWN]: It's so like my wife gets so frustrated, like Father's Day is coming or when my birthday's coming.
[UNKNOWN]: And she always figures out something clever to do, but it's impossible because I don't want, there's nothing that I want.
[UNKNOWN]: I don't buy anything for myself.
[UNKNOWN]: I don't want it because I can't think of anything to buy.
[UNKNOWN]: I don't want anything.
[UNKNOWN]: I've rented.
[UNKNOWN]: like a lot of places.
[UNKNOWN]: I've moved around a lot in the last few years.
[UNKNOWN]: Like, I don't want to have a lot of stuff.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: Like, I just, I like, not having stuff.
[UNKNOWN]: And I've been in an amazing living situation right now, where I've moved into an apartment, like 18 months ago.
[UNKNOWN]: I guess it's getting closer to years, I guess.
[UNKNOWN]: Now, where, like, the person who I've been living with had been living there for like seven years.
[UNKNOWN]: And so she just has all her stuff like everywhere, like, and that's fine, she's like dining room table purse couch hers coffee table purse kitchen stuff hers and I don't have any of that shit.
[UNKNOWN]: So I'm like the perfect person to move in and just use all that stuff.
[UNKNOWN]: I mean, really screwed if she moves out one day because I'm going to have to buy all that shit myself.
[UNKNOWN]: But I was like, I don't have any, I have like my bed and my bureau and my desk and like my video games pretty much hit.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: Well, well, I mean, circle it back.
[UNKNOWN]: Part of the reason.
[UNKNOWN]: I have Netflix and Paramount Plus and ESPN Unlimited and Bluby and Crackle and Zigzag and all these fucking bullshit It's because I don't spend money on anything else Like I don't spend any money.
[UNKNOWN]: This is what I'm spending my money on.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, so it's like yeah I have an extra 1299 for Bluby or whatever the fuck whatever fucking streamer Yeah, it's so I just my as well just fucking pay for them all so when I call direct TV and they're like what package you want I'm just yeah
[UNKNOWN]: I don't know.
[UNKNOWN]: Just give me every channel.
[UNKNOWN]: I don't care what it cost because I'm not spending money on anything else and people would faint if they saw my direct TV bill, especially when they know I have every other street really they think
[UNKNOWN]: They want to stamp me in the chest like why are you spending that?
[UNKNOWN]: I'm not even going to say the number, Jesse, I'm not going to say the number, especially when you factor in the MLB and I pay for MBA league pass every year.
[UNKNOWN]: I watch opening night and I swear to you, I don't think I go back to it again at all.
[UNKNOWN]: Be after opening night.
[UNKNOWN]: But in my dumb brain, I'm thinking, oh, it's only $100.
[UNKNOWN]: Why should it?
[UNKNOWN]: It's a no-brainer.
[UNKNOWN]: I have to buy this because on January 23rd, I might bet the over on kings and thunder and I want the ability to be able to put on the second half and see how my bet plays out.
[UNKNOWN]: That's how my brain works.
[UNKNOWN]: I just want to know that I can put something on if I have to.
[UNKNOWN]: But I can only do that because I don't spend money otherwise.
[UNKNOWN]: I pay my bills and then I pay for every form of television under payment under the sun.
[UNKNOWN]: That's it.
[UNKNOWN]: And provide for your children.
[UNKNOWN]: Well, yeah, you know, that falls under pay for bills.
[UNKNOWN]: I know, but I just want to thank you.
[UNKNOWN]: I'll feed them some gruel and some ramen.
[UNKNOWN]: And they'll get by as long as I have bloopy.
[UNKNOWN]: I have to have bloopy.
[UNKNOWN]: See, that's where I prioritize.
[UNKNOWN]: You never know who's going to buy the Sunday morning MLB game pack.
[UNKNOWN]: And now it's so bad.
[UNKNOWN]: You got to be prepared, you know.
[UNKNOWN]: Like I was someone my friend was asking me and he was like, hey, like my dad wants to watch the Celtics play off run, which unfortunately didn't last very long.
[UNKNOWN]: So I actually didn't know being that much of a hassle.
[UNKNOWN]: Basically, you know, what are these games on?
[UNKNOWN]: And I'm like, well, they might be on ESPN.
[UNKNOWN]: They might be on Amazon Prime.
[UNKNOWN]: They might be on NBC and they might be on Peacock.
[UNKNOWN]: I couldn't believe how deep into the NBA playoffs we were going and still put in games like on Prime.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: That's crazy to me.
[UNKNOWN]: And I know you are old enough to understand that, too.
[UNKNOWN]: Like, why is there an NBA Western Conference final game not on a television channel?
[UNKNOWN]: Well, yeah, the really?
[UNKNOWN]: So like I was watching the NBC games I watched those on peacock but they're simultaneous on NBC and I really haven't watched until we got to like the finals and those games were on ESPN which unfortunately because the NBC and prime like NBA broadcast just low ESPN's away.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, yeah, in almost every way with the exception of Reggie Miller and then just watching like the finals with this shit sandwich.
[UNKNOWN]: like ESPN production with it's either the inside the A&B A guys with Dreymont or Steven A Smith and like Mike Green and Richard Jefferson's awful awful and I was like, I can't believe we still got this ESPN shit sandwich when we spent most of the year with better alternatives, but that's not a huge idea.
[UNKNOWN]: No, it is.
[UNKNOWN]: That made me think of a good point relating back to the topic of this podcast.
[UNKNOWN]: So I'm thinking about this as you're talking, and while the NBA playoffs are going on, I am a casual NBA fan.
[UNKNOWN]: You were just talking about casual wrestling fans, right?
[UNKNOWN]: I could live without the NBA, but if an NBA game's on, I'll put it on.
[UNKNOWN]: I'm the perfect descriptor, especially get to play off season.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: I'm a casual NBA fan.
[UNKNOWN]: There were times during these internally long playoffs.
[UNKNOWN]: Can we take one day off for travel and then get back to it, please?
[UNKNOWN]: But that's another topic for another day.
[UNKNOWN]: These internally long NBA playoff.
[UNKNOWN]: There were times where I'd be hanging out in the voices of wrestling discord in the sports channel or texting with my friends and they're talking about some random NBA playoff game and I'm flipping around looking for it and I can't find it.
[UNKNOWN]: And then even though I have prime, I would not put it, I'd be like, oh, well, then forget it, I'm not interested.
[UNKNOWN]: Like, I wouldn't put it on.
[UNKNOWN]: I would rather just, I would stick with my channel flipping or the random baseball game I had on or whatever else it was that I was doing, rather than just grab that other remote, put on prime and put on the fucking random Eastern conference, second round playoff game.
[UNKNOWN]: Because to me, that and I have prime,
[UNKNOWN]: And I can only imagine how many casual NBA fans who didn't have access to Prime who said I'm not paying for Prime to watch these playoff games.
[UNKNOWN]: I'm not a big enough fan.
[UNKNOWN]: So that could easily relate back to wrestling and raw and Netflix to where it's like, oh, raw is on, but I'm not putting on that.
[UNKNOWN]: I'm not going through the process of using my phone to log in because I got to figure out where my passport is.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, I gotta do the fucking QR code that they make me do every time.
[UNKNOWN]: Get the emails sent to me so I can reset everything because I forgot or... Yeah, it makes you sound like a piece of shit spoiled brat, but it's reality.
[UNKNOWN]: No, but I want to do that.
[UNKNOWN]: If you're making the casual decision to be like, oh, let me flip what's see what's on this.
[UNKNOWN]: Which is how historically people have watched television, they've channeled Flipp and C. Like...
[UNKNOWN]: And I think like, well, and just now, once you get off of cable and move to streaming like raw has, you're losing those channel flippers, that's a huge other part we talked about wanting to like not be boxed in, but you're also missing the people that are just like, oh, don't let me see for us on, let's see what we're on there, let's see what that's on doing.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, just like the NBA lost a lot of people like me who were casual and didn't need to see whether the Hawks could make that fourth quarter come back.
[UNKNOWN]: I'm sure WWE is losing a lot of casual people where if it was on USA network and they see a tweet, oh, I can't believe it.
[UNKNOWN]: And they can't easily flip to it.
[UNKNOWN]: They're not going to do a net for netflix.
[UNKNOWN]: I think all those things are contributing to them doing less viewership now than they were on TV.
[UNKNOWN]: The other thing that's interesting is that we talk about people getting out of that 8pm habit, especially in the last few weeks, with raw doing all of these international shows.
[UNKNOWN]: The shows are just on like random times during the day because they are them live when they're taping in Europe, so they're on a two o'clock in the afternoon.
[UNKNOWN]: So they're encouraging people in a lot of ways, which by the way is great if you're a hardcore fan that wants to be locked in, you don't have to wait.
[UNKNOWN]: If you're home and you're available that's I think that's awesome right in the old like before in the old days they would have like you get the Ross Boyle is from one end and you know you know what would happen beforehand and things like that.
[UNKNOWN]: But they're kind of encouraging you to You know most people are not going to be around At two o'clock in the afternoon on one day to watch Rob live from Milan.
[UNKNOWN]: But.
[UNKNOWN]: Um, so I kind of encouraging people to be like, all right, I'll watch that whenever I feel like it.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, because I don't, I'm not, I didn't watch it live.
[UNKNOWN]: I don't need to watch it eight o'clock when it, when normally air again, I'm sure it meets some people do that just because they want to keep the habit going.
[UNKNOWN]: But it's kind of encouraging people to break out of that super reliable 8 p.m.
[UNKNOWN]: This is what I do on Monday nights habit, which is.
[UNKNOWN]: challenge respects we talked about the alternative is product is so bad they're keeping more of these people based off had it like there's there are obviously the crazy hard course that are going to always find an enjoyment and watching it no matter what but most even the hot like regular WV viewers are not hot on the product we see that with pretty much every show and every you know PLE that they have now.
[UNKNOWN]: Hey, look, it's like I said earlier, you miss it a week, you miss it that second week, you realize your world hasn't collapsed in because you didn't watch.
[UNKNOWN]: The habit is now broken and realize that WWE didn't miss anything.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, which is I think a big factor, yeah, there's nothing on these shows.
[UNKNOWN]: Nobody talks about it enough.
[UNKNOWN]: The full mode goes away when you're missing Brian.
[UNKNOWN]: They review the shows and things like that.
[UNKNOWN]: Nothing fucking happens on either of these raw or smackdowns.
[UNKNOWN]: Well, it was the last time you heard about like a match that people really enjoyed or had legit live active books very methodically.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, it's the last raw match that I remember like people talking about as like a port match was like the brawn breakers Sam punk match in January.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, you get an angle now and then, you know, you had to look like something fucking happens on these shows.
[UNKNOWN]: And they're so in essential to the viewer, like the difference between dynamite and raw in terms of like what do you actually need to watch especially?
[UNKNOWN]: Ever since like the whole Darby run on dynamite, like you had to watch those shows, compared to raw where nothing fucking happens.
[UNKNOWN]: these feuds going on and on, they play the same notes, they do these rematches.
[UNKNOWN]: Like, there is no purpose putting, this is kind of the separate issue.
[UNKNOWN]: Then we're talking about getting out of the habit, but you're really not going to feel it if you miss wrong one or two weeks because there's almost nothing changes.
[UNKNOWN]: Well, do you also think that
[UNKNOWN]: with the consumption issues that we've discussed regarding Netflix, that that's almost enhancing and helping along the alternate ways to consume the product in other words.
[UNKNOWN]: If you know, if you're someone who just doesn't have Netflix or doesn't want to be walled in, all those Netflix issues that we've discussed, but you know that on Tuesday morning, you can see the big bloodline angle on YouTube in fall.
[UNKNOWN]: That's got to be pushing the number down as well.
[UNKNOWN]: When people realize, oh, wait, I don't.
[UNKNOWN]: It's kind of like the Saturday Night Live thing, where less and less people are watching because a lot of them know that they're going to clip every sketch, and it's going to be there Sunday morning on their official YouTube channel in full.
[UNKNOWN]: You don't need to stay up until one in the morning or you can go out.
[UNKNOWN]: You don't have to stay old and watch.
[UNKNOWN]: Sorry.
[UNKNOWN]: And like the best sketches you'll hear like buzz about like, oh, they did this sketch.
[UNKNOWN]: Like, oh, let me check that out.
[UNKNOWN]: Or they had this guest star making appearance on that like, so has Netflix and I guess it's a rhetorical question.
[UNKNOWN]: I know your answer.
[UNKNOWN]: So in effect, Netflix has sort of
[UNKNOWN]: push the long the alternate consumption means for for watching wrestling for watching WWE because man fucking I don't have to pay for Netflix.
[UNKNOWN]: I can catch all of the shit that I need to catch on YouTube the next day.
[UNKNOWN]: People weren't doing that when it was on TV, but I think there's this kind of pushing that concept along.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, I haven't.
[UNKNOWN]: I don't really check WWE YouTube all that much.
[UNKNOWN]: And I put everything up, everything.
[UNKNOWN]: But they put pretty much everything up.
[UNKNOWN]: I did watch the entire Obafemi Brock Lesnar match from WrestleMania on YouTube.
[UNKNOWN]: the day after it happened, you're not getting, listen, they're not going to break out every individual match from all of their TV shows, but here's the thing, their fans don't really want to watch full matches anyway.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: So what's the difference?
[UNKNOWN]: They would, their fans would gladly watch a four minute clip version of a 14 minute match and have no issue with that, as long as you're giving them the entrances.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: I mean, they want to see W actually,
[UNKNOWN]: like, it changed like a year or two ago, but they would upload like pretty long clips from dynamite or collision or rampage.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, like where they would, it would be like nine minutes, and it would be like the business end of any match that they had.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, so you could kind of like watch any match on dynamite.
[UNKNOWN]: You missed the opening stuff, but yeah, you pretty much saw everything that you need to watch.
[UNKNOWN]: And there were weeks where I didn't catch dynamite live and a look at the card of like, there's not a lot on here.
[UNKNOWN]: Let me just check out that, you know, moxley versus, uh, I don't know, Ricky Stark's match or something like that.
[UNKNOWN]: Just I don't even know if the atom actually just picked what ever it was in 2014, right?
[UNKNOWN]: And like let me just check that out my guy watch out and then be done.
[UNKNOWN]: And now, dynamite, they're very conscious of that.
[UNKNOWN]: I think they feel like they're every highlight from dynamite or collision or certainly any matches.
[UNKNOWN]: It's like a minute that might show you like a piece of it.
[UNKNOWN]: But if you actually want to really watch that match, you have to, like,
[UNKNOWN]: Watch the show I have to take a go HBO Max or on demand or I thought that I randomly watched an episode of dynamite because I missed it and I was like how sitting for my parents and they have like on demand.
[UNKNOWN]: because they have cable still.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: And I watched Dynamite on demand with a commercial in it.
[UNKNOWN]: Not only were there no commercials, there were no commercials and like they edited out like when they would go to break.
[UNKNOWN]: So you'd have to fast-forward that the commercial's like if you'd yard it.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: So the whole episode was like an hour and 10 minutes or something like that.
[UNKNOWN]: Right, whatever comes out.
[UNKNOWN]: Oh, just hear products.
[UNKNOWN]: That's awesome.
[UNKNOWN]: That's the best way to watch the show.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: And I was like, this is great.
[UNKNOWN]: I'm also sucker for like, I don't know if you ever caught in like the world feed or anything like that because then the commentators make jokes and stuff like that's kind of funny.
[UNKNOWN]: during the outbreaks.
[UNKNOWN]: I see people talk about it, but I've never consumed it.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, because you'd have to, you'd have to watch it like off like a scummy pirate site, really.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, I can.
[UNKNOWN]: That's, that's, and that's all unnecessary for me to hear X caliber and TAS banter.
[UNKNOWN]: So, I looked this up while you were talking.
[UNKNOWN]: And for this week's Raw on the WWE YouTube, they have, let's see, five, six, seven, eight, nine, 10.
[UNKNOWN]: They have 11, 12.
[UNKNOWN]: They have 13 different clips from Raw.
[UNKNOWN]: Every single one of them is sub five minutes.
[UNKNOWN]: with the exception of the video titled, Full Raw Highlights, June 8th, 2026, that runs 11 minutes.
[UNKNOWN]: So you can get yourself in 11 minute recap of the whole show.
[UNKNOWN]: And if that's not enough for you, you have about eight other videos, five to eight other videos a week, which are all of the key matches and angles broken down into sub five minute clips.
[UNKNOWN]: You're not really like there to watch the work like you might say.
[UNKNOWN]: So I don't have any doubt that that's siphoning some of these viewers who have the various issues we've discussed consuming on Netflix.
[UNKNOWN]: There's no doubt that this is affecting the number two.
[UNKNOWN]: How can it not be?
[UNKNOWN]: So it's just easier.
[UNKNOWN]: Generally, and this is not me taking a shot among wrestling fans, this is the, I would think that WWE fans have the lowest attention span or at least interested in the actual substance part of a pro wrestling match.
[UNKNOWN]: It's perfect for them.
[UNKNOWN]: So that's got to be a factor as well.
[UNKNOWN]: I mean, the entire product is booked around that.
[UNKNOWN]: And you know, and the thing about Netflix, just forget the US numbers.
[UNKNOWN]: You know, the last from two weeks ago because it's always a week behind the data, you know, it's an all time low right the 2 million quote views now people have to understand views, Netflix views and Neil sin total viewership not apples to apples.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, it's a whole chemistry that's almost worthless trying to talk about like what if you take the little views they actually view and let's do so you x extrapolate that like.
[UNKNOWN]: But ballpark the bottom line is.
[UNKNOWN]: This once again, the two million views, which was an all time, they had their all time lowest, I forget if it's the worldwide or US ranking, but one was tied for the all time lowest and one was the all time lowest and then the small number of views and people can look up how that calculates on their own if they want unless you want to go over it, you're show buddy.
[UNKNOWN]: But I'm good, but my point here is this idea of WWE being this massive global brand is something that they have constantly told us, but never holds up to scrutiny.
[UNKNOWN]: It just never holds up to real scrutiny that they're this.
[UNKNOWN]: So the point that I think
[UNKNOWN]: Maybe, you know, I won't speak for you, but I've spoken about this with rich many times.
[UNKNOWN]: To the point even that it is an author-nated me and I pay super close attention more than the vast majority of the population to where even I am always stunned at how little viewership all of this shit does, whether it's raw Netflix, whether it's ESPN airing, WrestleMania matches, whether it's
[UNKNOWN]: Fox after the initial week with the rock and Brock Lesnar winning the world title dropping like a stone and level on out to where Fox has buyers remorse two months into the deal.
[UNKNOWN]: No matter where they go, no matter what they do, this idea that this massive global grant that the entire world is watching does not hold up the scrutiny and is proven false.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: No one's watching this shit and it's
[UNKNOWN]: It's it's it's not even to me that though like not a global brand when you talk about like the flocks debut and the oh well, you know, Joe Buck is going to be reading Smackdown, you know, promos during, you know, football games that, you know, attract 15 million viewers or whatever or raw, being in the Netflix carousel that the tens and millions of people who, open the Netflix app every day are going to see
[UNKNOWN]: The idea that there was this idea that there were all these potential wrestling fans out there that were going to watch WWE if they just knew about WWE.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, that like oh wrestling.
[UNKNOWN]: Oh, I didn't know wrestling was on TV now.
[UNKNOWN]: Oh, I haven't watched wrestling in the years.
[UNKNOWN]: Oh, what is this wrestling?
[UNKNOWN]: Oh, maybe check that out.
[UNKNOWN]: Those people don't exist.
[UNKNOWN]: Well, hey, you know what?
[UNKNOWN]: I have a counter to that.
[UNKNOWN]: They do exist because they always try it the first week.
[UNKNOWN]: SmackDown did that huge number on Fox.
[UNKNOWN]: Netflix did that.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, I guess they sample, but the idea that that man has any staying power, I guess.
[UNKNOWN]: Well, that's because it stinks, I think I think it's definitely because it stinks, but I also think it's because like people know what WWE is.
[UNKNOWN]: They know what the product is.
[UNKNOWN]: They do know that they have that kind of global recognition.
[UNKNOWN]: But most of the population thinks it's stupid.
[UNKNOWN]: They think wrestling's stupid.
[UNKNOWN]: They think it's fake.
[UNKNOWN]: They think anyone who watches it, it's like more on.
[UNKNOWN]: That's the standard of wrestling.
[UNKNOWN]: WWE and their media partners are really great at getting people to sample it that first time.
[UNKNOWN]: They really are because they come out with these huge numbers, but then people watch and they mock it and they see us the same shit that they thought it was in their head and they go away.
[UNKNOWN]: It's never smarter than they think it is.
[UNKNOWN]: They write.
[UNKNOWN]: And so they're really great at getting people to come back and try it.
[UNKNOWN]: And they're really awful at retaining those people because they never retain them.
[UNKNOWN]: Not even at, okay, look, everything debuted higher than where it settles.
[UNKNOWN]: But wrestling always goes back and essentially settles right where it was.
[UNKNOWN]: At the end of the day, it's always just wrestling fans watching this shit.
[UNKNOWN]: and it's that up and down cycle of wrestling fans being interested and not being interested, they do a poor job of attracting people and then keeping them because it stinks.
[UNKNOWN]: It's just really weird.
[UNKNOWN]: People who don't watch, like,
[UNKNOWN]: When a normal person walks in a room in WWE is on, they think it's the weirdest dumbest fucking thing.
[UNKNOWN]: And I think people, even people in the wrestling bubble like us, who don't like WWE, even don't understand the scope of that, because we're so conditioned to mommy rearripply, looking like a demented mom, it's even normal to us now.
[UNKNOWN]: But when a normal person sees real ripply looking like a demented mind with her clown paint and the commentators yell in mommy mommy they're like what is this?
[UNKNOWN]: What normal person would ever enjoy this?
[UNKNOWN]: Is what a normal person's thinking when they walk in the room and see that?
[UNKNOWN]: I mean even even good wrestling.
[UNKNOWN]: the average per, like, I don't know, maybe the average person is gonna be like, this is fucking stupid.
[UNKNOWN]: Yes, that's just the way it is.
[UNKNOWN]: But when it's WW and it's dialed to 12 and yes, exactly.
[UNKNOWN]: Nothing will just hurt me more than like someone watched walking into the room and they're watching like, you could be watching like an awesome Samoa Joe match.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: And you're like, oh, look at Samoa Joe, he's awesome.
[UNKNOWN]: And so I'm like, who's that fat guy who looks stupid?
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, he's in the block out of the room and he like like, but that's so Joe, he's like the best wrestler of all time.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, because you have all the lore in your head history and they don't like wrestling, but the act like you're typical person.
[UNKNOWN]: I mean, I think he said when it comes to WWE, dial that up towards 12.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, so then they're putting, then then extrapolate put that, you know, apply that same thing to WWE and they see J.U.S.O.
[UNKNOWN]: eating.
[UNKNOWN]: Like, they're like, who's who is this four?
[UNKNOWN]: A normal person can not wrap their brain around somebody watching watch me watch live Morgan comes out You're like what is this honestly like the eating and stuff like at first glance people You know like all that's kind of cool like there's a lot of clip crowd participation I think like someone who doesn't know anything about wrestling could see that and be like
[UNKNOWN]: Oh, that's kind of cool.
[UNKNOWN]: I think like the stuff you would lose like a normal person on would be like the Shakespeare in the park bullshit Yes, those matches that is insulting to like anyone actually appreciates real dramatic entertainment The long bloodline segments with just people swear should win Emmys are the thing that's driving normal people away from the shit because it's so bad You know, it's like
[UNKNOWN]: and whatever the fuck rea ripply is supposed to be.
[UNKNOWN]: Like, no one normal people are gonna leave that on.
[UNKNOWN]: You know, yeah, so they're great at getting people to try it when they're on a new year.
[UNKNOWN]: And their media partners, great at that.
[UNKNOWN]: They're great at that.
[UNKNOWN]: And then it inevitably drops like a stone every time.
[UNKNOWN]: And he kind of figured that with Netflix, which is like, Netflix is gonna push the shit out of raw.
[UNKNOWN]: for their first little bit.
[UNKNOWN]: And then it kinda kinda forget about it.
[UNKNOWN]: I haven't been a Netflix subscriber in a few years now.
[UNKNOWN]: Ever since they ended the mail order service, fuck them forever for doing that.
[UNKNOWN]: A few years that would be, oh, actually they just ended that, didn't they?
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, it was the last, I was the last person.
[UNKNOWN]: Wait a minute, you were sticking like blaze in the mail and DVDs in the mail.
[UNKNOWN]: I kept the last one I sent to me because they said you don't have to give it back.
[UNKNOWN]: What wasn't you, she is the same.
[UNKNOWN]: I will give people a million dollars because it was the American cinematic classic guess who's coming to dinner.
[UNKNOWN]: Oh.
[UNKNOWN]: Like the literal one or the remake.
[UNKNOWN]: No, no, the old one from my life.
[UNKNOWN]: The literal classic.
[UNKNOWN]: That could not be a facetious.
[UNKNOWN]: Like the literal classic.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, the literal classic.
[UNKNOWN]: Okay.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, I wasn't saying like, oh, everyone, like, yeah, I wasn't like being saying it ironically.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: Cinematic classic, guess who's going to do that?
[UNKNOWN]: Still have it, right?
[UNKNOWN]: Anyway, they'll be like a fun artifact later.
[UNKNOWN]: The last Netflix they ever submitted.
[UNKNOWN]: This they've resimitted.
[UNKNOWN]: Because they were submitting those out of San Francisco.
[UNKNOWN]: So they had to send them all the way across the country.
[UNKNOWN]: Who's not gonna do printing DVD?
[UNKNOWN]: I guess they still are though, right?
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, yeah, this physical media people out there.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, there are, yeah, yeah, yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: That's a dumb thing to say.
[UNKNOWN]: My hatred of stuff would indicate that I am not one of them, but I know that my friends, like people my age are like, as I was saying that I realized it was dumb.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, you ever have that happened?
[UNKNOWN]: You're saying something, you're like, oh wait, I'm wrong, but I have to finish the sentence.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, and then I just continue the sentence
[UNKNOWN]: We talked about like Ron Smackdown, and I think that in dynamite collision, and like I think for the it's even harder for like if you're like a T and A, and you're trying to get people back into watching, you know, impact on Thursday nights.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, you're facing an even bigger uphill battle, because now you're, you don't even have any history, I mean, you guess you have history, but you have no built-in floor, really.
[UNKNOWN]: If you do, it's, it's so small, it's, it's not really worth any time of economic value.
[UNKNOWN]: And I think, now, TNA hasn't helped itself by being the, a complete clown show operation, but it's very difficult for these, I mean, we've, you know, we say, and I'll, W, let's try it.
[UNKNOWN]: And W, A is tried.
[UNKNOWN]: It's really hard to get people to commit to something new.
[UNKNOWN]: So they have a bigger challenge than the W, W, and A, W,
[UNKNOWN]: It's so hard to build those fans.
[UNKNOWN]: TNA had an opportunity, look, AMC isn't the biggest cable network.
[UNKNOWN]: We all know that, but it was a massive step up from where they were, right?
[UNKNOWN]: So they did have a chance to at least capture
[UNKNOWN]: wrestling fans who may have been disenfranchised with their the primary promotions that were they were paying attention to, who wanted to sample something else on a channel that, oh wait, I get AMC, I didn't get, you know.
[UNKNOWN]: The last network they were on, that was on a higher cable tier or whatever, but I have access to AMC and there are obviously millions more people who have access to AMC versus where TNA was previously.
[UNKNOWN]: So, in opportunity to capture wrestling fans who were going to come sample them and maybe think, you know what, this is a viable alternative to what I'm watching or I don't feel like I get enough wrestling because
[UNKNOWN]: You know, either on a cycle path or I only watch WWE, I don't like a W or the other way around and I'd like to add something else and then they just totally blew it because the show was terrible and the production was in the fucking gutter and I talked about that when I reviewed the first four or five weeks of the show before I had to tap the fuck out and it was just a massive whiff and a massive missed opportunity.
[UNKNOWN]: They weren't ready for the moment.
[UNKNOWN]: You can't help that you don't have stars, right?
[UNKNOWN]: Like that's just, it's gonna be an almost impossible for TNA to create a star, pay for a star in free agency.
[UNKNOWN]: And if they do happen to create a star, it's gonna be impossible for TNA to retain a star, right?
[UNKNOWN]: And when I say a star, a legitimate business changing star.
[UNKNOWN]: So they can't really help from that standpoint.
[UNKNOWN]: I think it's a great way.
[UNKNOWN]: What they were in total control of, though, was the quality of the product, the production, those things they have control of, and they whiffed on both counts, and they had an opportunity to capture the attention of wrestling fans who didn't have access to them for years, and maybe hadn't even
[UNKNOWN]: uh, seen TNA in a long time and when people turned on the first month of that show, what they saw was a dollar store version of Hokies embarrassing pro wrestling, the likes of which that we just talked about.
[UNKNOWN]: And they said, I don't need more Hokies embarrassing for wrestling in my life when A, there aren't even any stars involved, and B, the production looks like this.
[UNKNOWN]: So it's, it's, you know, I picked on TNA a lot.
[UNKNOWN]: I would like nothing more than a quality TNA that's fun to watch and good.
[UNKNOWN]: Who wouldn't want that?
[UNKNOWN]: We don't all watch it.
[UNKNOWN]: But they blew the opportunity in every sense.
[UNKNOWN]: And now they're just kind of existing on AMC.
[UNKNOWN]: They're going to do whatever it is, 150,000 viewers, a 0.02, and they're going to do that in the perpetuity because there's no reason for anybody to watch that show.
[UNKNOWN]: And it's self-inflicted with the thing that they would have controlled.
[UNKNOWN]: TNA would be a much better exercise if the product was good.
[UNKNOWN]: Like if the product was like good and they were really struggling, I think.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, or they presented something different to fill in this.
[UNKNOWN]: But it would be more indicative of like this issue of getting people on board to a weekly wrestling product.
[UNKNOWN]: Because like even our TNA is good and doing it interesting and entertaining stuff.
[UNKNOWN]: They're still struggling.
[UNKNOWN]: But the fact that the product is bad, it gives, like, kind of dinner with value, because it's like, well, no one's going to watch it because it sucks.
[UNKNOWN]: And yeah, that number one issue TNA had with this whole relaunch was the association of TNA being like this incompetent, second rate clown shoes organization and they worked extremely hard to fulfill that perception with their first episode and subsequent decisions and
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, yeah, and I mean, the second and third episode were slightly better than the first, but in tip Ben, if they, if they were trying Joe, you're right, they can have done it more.
[UNKNOWN]: In typical TNA fashion, the first one happened to be abysmal and had people just continuing to laugh at them, because it's not pill battle to begin with.
[UNKNOWN]: And if you got me, you me and Mike Gilbert.
[UNKNOWN]: to write a parody like bad TNA episode of television.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: It would be less accurate than what they actually produced.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, it was awful.
[UNKNOWN]: And it set the tone.
[UNKNOWN]: And one of the, I can't wait, Carlos Silva, in his, not the 2000s picture of Carlos Silva,
[UNKNOWN]: Um, like, the insistence, I'm like, provoking the A.W.
[UNKNOWN]: fans.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: And like, yeah, the relationship with WWE, maybe that they're probably maybe they helped them with the TV deal, whatever.
[UNKNOWN]: That's fine.
[UNKNOWN]: But the antagonism towards A.W.
[UNKNOWN]: Like, they're trying to run us out of business.
[UNKNOWN]: They're trying to do this.
[UNKNOWN]: Like when you say that when your typical AEW fan is far, far more likely to give your product a chance of the typical WWE fan, some of the worst decision making we've seen it wrestling in the last decade.
[UNKNOWN]: Well, I think he was counting on the WWE Association to mean the opposite.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: That's stupid.
[UNKNOWN]: WP fans, like your typical died in the World WP fan, thinks TNA is a joke.
[UNKNOWN]: And thinks all wrestling that's not, you know, Vince McMahon's form of wrestling is dumb.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, or they're just seeing it at, or what your, the WWE fans that TNA was attracting, and I'm not even sure they're attracting them anymore, were the super hardcoreers who weren't even being super served by WWE's mountain of content.
[UNKNOWN]: But we're never going to watch AEW and wanted more.
[UNKNOWN]: And because there was that association, and they just have just thirst for more wrestling, they were dabbling in TNA.
[UNKNOWN]: But that was only going to last so long when the WWE representatives in TNA are the lowest of the lowest level NXT people that Sean Michaels just isn't interested in booking right now.
[UNKNOWN]: You know, how much Ariana Grace to someone need?
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: You know, so you're right, it would have been to present an alternative type of product that didn't look like TMWWA to maybe attract the underserved AEW fan.
[UNKNOWN]: Or the other side of the type of product you're presenting.
[UNKNOWN]: I'm just talking about the public animosity.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, that's too.
[UNKNOWN]: That you're AW fans are going to be more aware of that Carlos Silva is talking shit about them and M.J.F.
[UNKNOWN]: is clapping back and all these stories that make TNA look petty and bad.
[UNKNOWN]: Um, it keeps people who are, you know, big AW fans who, those people are far more likely to like, if, you know, slamming adversaries in my own city this week, I think it's this weekend.
[UNKNOWN]: Um, like, I, I wouldn't go to it because this show is bad,
[UNKNOWN]: There's like, if it was in a different space, I'm like, yeah, I'll go see Slime Reverse, or I'm not a regular TNA viewer, but wrestling's coming to my city.
[UNKNOWN]: I might as well watch it.
[UNKNOWN]: I far more likely do that as an AEW fan.
[UNKNOWN]: I mean, they're running the building the AEW runs all the time.
[UNKNOWN]: Just not happy about the Harriet Gannis Slander that was taking place on the flagship a couple weeks ago.
[UNKNOWN]: Never heard of them.
[UNKNOWN]: I don't expect you guys to have heard of them, but there was a, I was like, you know, people like, if you can't think of something, like us with the New Japan November paper, people are screaming at their phones or whatever.
[UNKNOWN]: I was in my car and I was drivinglessness.
[UNKNOWN]: You guys are like, here you can't, I don't know who he is.
[UNKNOWN]: You just donated some money and like, Harry again, this is one of the finest athletes that ever come out of Massachusetts.
[UNKNOWN]: And then you guys like oh yeah, it looks like his career was over in 1948 and me probably just uh, you know, he probably got a job working somewhere at the mill or something like that.
[UNKNOWN]: I was like he died, he's so obnoxious.
[UNKNOWN]: He died tragically, you piece of shit.
[UNKNOWN]: No, but I mean, look, the other aspect of the silver thing you're talking about, which was, look, wrestling fans are so tribalistic that he's instantly making himself and his promotion, the enemy of the state to the hardcore AEW fan, which is not a wise businesswoman.
[UNKNOWN]: And that's my point is that you're, these are fans that like wrestling that are willing to
[UNKNOWN]: might be interested in seeing some of your talent.
[UNKNOWN]: I mean, two of your biggest stars are XAW guys and Frankie Cazarian and Mike Santana.
[UNKNOWN]: Like, it's, yeah, it wasn't, it's, yeah, it was not, you don't want to make tribal fans your enemy.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, you don't want to do that.
[UNKNOWN]: And, um,
[UNKNOWN]: You know, you also don't want to poke the bear of the 48th wealthiest person in the United States.
[UNKNOWN]: When he already came in and signed your, you know, not that it's a huge deal, but it was definitely an intentional statement when he signed your knockouts tag team champions a week before they debuted on TV and stole the mouth from under you.
[UNKNOWN]: I mean, he was sending a message there.
[UNKNOWN]: I mean, Tony Con does not want to employ the Iconics.
[UNKNOWN]: He hasn't used them since he squashed him on TV week one.
[UNKNOWN]: You know, they're rotting away in ROH and doing indie work, but I actually saw them on ROH because they made a, they made it to a gift on ROH, where they were in some sort of like
[UNKNOWN]: And people wondered why Tony Comma want to sign the Iconics.
[UNKNOWN]: It's called printing money and that's the kind of stuff though, you know, that's always makes me laugh because look, we're used to like dunking on the WWE fans for being dumb.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, but there is this whole part of like a W fandom and we sometimes see them like in the discord.
[UNKNOWN]: it bothers me, maybe more than it bothers you.
[UNKNOWN]: People just say things that they hear people say, but they don't understand the business or anything.
[UNKNOWN]: It's the same way people use the term buried.
[UNKNOWN]: People overused the term, like, dropped out or that kind of thing.
[UNKNOWN]: And they're like, you guys actually like, they might be listening to the flagship and they might be like, you know, following me or something else, social media, but they don't like,
[UNKNOWN]: on to really understand the business, but they regurgitate the terms, and I feel like that those are, that's always kind of a funny element for wrestling fandom to see.
[UNKNOWN]: Well, there's also the Hippocritical AW fan where they'll bury some
[UNKNOWN]: Bad bathroom, toilet, hacky, whatever kind of humor that WWE will present, but if it comes from the ironic minds of the young bucks or something, all of a sudden it's funny and acceptable.
[UNKNOWN]: Like, there's so much hypocrisy when it comes to that kind of stuff too.
[UNKNOWN]: Well, if anything, if anything is done by people that you.
[UNKNOWN]: few more favorably you're going to appreciate the action that on my show buddy i'm an equal opportunity barrier i i don't give a shit where's that that's yeah i would say that's probably fairly accurate if it stinks it stinks but you know there's a lot of a w fan two i'm saying that's it's natural inclination sure i'm not saying it was normal but it's uh you know it's funny to see that though you know because um
[UNKNOWN]: You know, like this Leo Rush stuff is a great example.
[UNKNOWN]: I mean, you know, it just would be very done.
[UNKNOWN]: I don't know.
[UNKNOWN]: I didn't mind.
[UNKNOWN]: I don't really mind.
[UNKNOWN]: Leo Rush stuff in the vacuum.
[UNKNOWN]: I thought his performance a diet was horrible.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, I thought the whole slowing down that match.
[UNKNOWN]: And
[UNKNOWN]: like on dry day like doing the how you know and like we were just like he knows and I'm like they did that like a hundred times I was like this is this isn't even the exact like it wasn't even in context of like yeah it's just a horrible set yeah look it was ripped right from a vince raw yeah yeah no that was ours was like this is the WWE shit yeah people talk about but people also use that term a lot like WWE shit like yeah I was I this was like a few months ago but it was like it was you know I think it was
[UNKNOWN]: Like MJF was champion and he came out and he kind of healed promo and then like something else And then someone's like this shows been nothing but WWE shit and it's like cutting a heel promo is not WWE shit Okay, yeah, yeah, like but like a heel starts episode of dynamite and people act like they're watching reign of territory But later again
[UNKNOWN]: Right, right, right.
[UNKNOWN]: You'll 20 minute promo to open.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: That's not.
[UNKNOWN]: Well, that, you know, that's does speak to a larger conversation of we have failed to find new ways to present American television wrestling.
[UNKNOWN]: I mean, that from that aspect.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, that's true.
[UNKNOWN]: That's it's your statement, but yeah, then it, you know, the nuance looks like I guess my point is like sometimes like, yeah, you can come out with a like,
[UNKNOWN]: I tend to like dynamite when it starts more with a wrestling match.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, but like some kind of start with a talking problem.
[UNKNOWN]: It's only ended the world at that time.
[UNKNOWN]: Right.
[UNKNOWN]: But you know, if you're if you're watching live and you're, you're, you're, you're, you're, you're, you're, you're, you're, you're, you're, you're, you're, you're, you're, you're, you're, you're, you're, you're, you're, you're, you're, you're, you're, you're, you're, you're, you're, you're, you're, you're, you're, you're, you're, you're, you're, you're, you're, you're, you're, you're, you're, you're, you're, you're, you're, you're, you're, you're, you're, you're, you're, you're,
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, for sure.
[UNKNOWN]: And what social media and what Twitter and blue sky in particular, those forms of social media, as we all know, it becomes when you're someone who's a regular tweeter or whatever they call a tweet on blue sky, it becomes a stream of consciousness.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: And you're just tweeting everything that pops into your brain.
[UNKNOWN]: It's not like the message for post for you being more well thought out.
[UNKNOWN]: Yes, and and and you're willing to halfway through a paragraph say this isn't going where I thought or I might have just changed my own mind, so I'm going to just hit back space and not post this that's not how Twitter or blue sky or if you're on threads for some reason operate it's just here's a thought I'm going to put it out into the world and then I'm going to crack my knuckles and wait for the endorphins of your life live tweeting live posting some yeah yeah like I was like discord
[UNKNOWN]: is a great app for live conversation.
[UNKNOWN]: It is not good for like scrolling back and like seeing thoughtful conversation for the most part.
[UNKNOWN]: Luis C.K.
[UNKNOWN]: said years ago that Twitter is like, you're just saying things like you would it, like you just except it now it's there forever.
[UNKNOWN]: Like you just said a thing, like it's no different than just but but that but with that is there forever.
[UNKNOWN]: So just you know think about that.
[UNKNOWN]: You know, it's it's kind of he should.
[UNKNOWN]: He should have done some more thinking.
[UNKNOWN]: But anyway, that's kind of that's pretty much all my thoughts.
[UNKNOWN]: Lazy, you're locked into the world cup so far.
[UNKNOWN]: I've been locked into the world cup.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: See, I see, I know you're a soccer.
[UNKNOWN]: Well, listen, there's been three games I, you know, it hasn't been that hard to speak with.
[UNKNOWN]: So here's the thing, here's the thing, as someone that likes daytime sports, yeah, as much as you do.
[UNKNOWN]: I love day ball.
[UNKNOWN]: This is a great, the one, and we'll start picking up with more games as we're going forward.
[UNKNOWN]: I thought yesterday was very strange that we had like a 1 o'clock game in a 9 o'clock game.
[UNKNOWN]: Awesome.
[UNKNOWN]: But I will say our 10 o'clock game.
[UNKNOWN]: Start 10 o'clock Eastern time, that's South Korea.
[UNKNOWN]: South Korea, I can't catch you a game and like I was like kind of like at the time I was like that's weird that they're doing this time like this, but like as someone I'd stuff to do on on a I had my my my my onke basketball league on Thursday night my 30 and up meds basketball league we'd one by the way, not gonna lie.
[UNKNOWN]: Um
[UNKNOWN]: But I had that going on, and I got home at like 9.30 and took a shower.
[UNKNOWN]: And I was like, all right, time to watch some late night world cup.
[UNKNOWN]: And I was like, this fucking rules.
[UNKNOWN]: And I helped with that game was much more entertaining in the first game.
[UNKNOWN]: But I was like, long live this late night game.
[UNKNOWN]: Oh, that's great.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, meaningful sports on at all hours.
[UNKNOWN]: This is awesome.
[UNKNOWN]: Yes.
[UNKNOWN]: We'll see this I think that this is going to be like this with the 48 teams is going to be way more volume of of games hitting.
[UNKNOWN]: I think there's a hundred and four games I think in total.
[UNKNOWN]: So we're getting it like we're going to get like this is like March Madness level volume.
[UNKNOWN]: We're going to get.
[UNKNOWN]: And I do think as we're going forward we're going to be shifting more towards a March Madness model where there's kind of just like a game on from like noon to like
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, there's going to be four games a day starting in two days, I think.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, so There's going to be no shortage of it and it is coming during a time period of pretty much pretty low sports outside of baseball Which is great.
[UNKNOWN]: It's not happening.
[UNKNOWN]: I'm going to I rack versus Norway on Tuesday
[UNKNOWN]: which I expect to not be a pretty close game.
[UNKNOWN]: Not be a close game.
[UNKNOWN]: I think Norway's going to walk them, but it'll be fun.
[UNKNOWN]: Are you going as a fan, or did you try to finagle some media from your paper?
[UNKNOWN]: I've worked on you to not get.
[UNKNOWN]: I was actually told that there was a real chance we were going to get media passes for this.
[UNKNOWN]: Because the company I work for like, they like,
[UNKNOWN]: Like they very good with like concerts and stuff like that have a colleague who gets to go to like all these concerts and cover and they like that kind of like You know, they like the SEO you can put in Bruce Springsteen's name the SEO and drive.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, even if it's not necessarily directly related to like our coverage area.
[UNKNOWN]: So they we tried but didn't get it.
[UNKNOWN]: I don't know.
[UNKNOWN]: I can only imagine it's a total circus in mass trying to get working with FIFA and US on shore.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, I can't even imagine so.
[UNKNOWN]: And it was really, they just asked, hey, do you want to go?
[UNKNOWN]: And I filled on applications and then picture my press pass.
[UNKNOWN]: Otherwise, I would be like, living at Gillette Stadium, aka Boston Stadium for this world cup.
[UNKNOWN]: And I would be, you know, reporting from the field.
[UNKNOWN]: No, that was like my dream.
[UNKNOWN]: That was, but yeah, I got my sister got tickets for $105 each.
[UNKNOWN]: She got in the lottery for this game.
[UNKNOWN]: So not break in the bank, which is, that's not bad at all.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, no.
[UNKNOWN]: I wouldn't have spent like tons of money on this.
[UNKNOWN]: It's really the parking is, this is going to be a total shit show and it looks like that.
[UNKNOWN]: But I will be going to the game.
[UNKNOWN]: USA placed tonight, we're playing our mortal enemies, Paraguay.
[UNKNOWN]: I do like that.
[UNKNOWN]: Like,
[UNKNOWN]: the randomness of the countries that we're playing and just this is the fun part of the World Cup, which is just thinking about two countries that have really no relationship with another and now they're in this key to rivalry against each other.
[UNKNOWN]: It's kind of nice, and like international hockey, like,
[UNKNOWN]: Like, we kind of know who the main enemies and powers are.
[UNKNOWN]: Like, we're gonna be playing Canada, we're gonna be playing Russia, we're gonna be playing Sweden, we're gonna be playing Finland, like, we kind of know who are in basketball, it's kind of the same thing.
[UNKNOWN]: Like, it kind of changes over time, but now it's France, but the past has been like Spain in Australia.
[UNKNOWN]: Like, soccer just kind of becomes random, or it's like, we gotta think way more about people in America, this week are gonna think way more about Paraguay than they ever have before in their lives.
[UNKNOWN]: That's kind of funny.
[UNKNOWN]: Oh yes, this is like even odds as I'm looking at this, this game.
[UNKNOWN]: USA Paraguay?
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: I don't, the team, USA is like, I'll be interesting.
[UNKNOWN]: I think they have a wide variety of outcomes.
[UNKNOWN]: They could, and I'll come exist where they're extremely disappointing and don't make it out of the group stage.
[UNKNOWN]: It is a possibility for a final eight.
[UNKNOWN]: I think if they make the round of 16, that'll be pretty good.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: I think that's probably their ceiling.
[UNKNOWN]: A lot of it depends on matchups and stuff like that.
[UNKNOWN]: It depends on how big historically and soccer home field advantage in the world cup has helped a lot.
[UNKNOWN]: We've seen a lot of host nations overachieve.
[UNKNOWN]: how big of a factor is that going to be 14 USA, it depends on who they play, like I think they'll have a pretty distinct home of an inch against Paraguay, but if they play let's say Brazil, there'll be just as many Brazilians rooting for Brazil, a Brazilian American rooting for Brazil as there are Americans so we'll see the the French national soccer team is practicing about a mile for my house.
[UNKNOWN]: and I went by today and I are yesterday and I saw all these fans lined up outside the college that they're practicing at and they're all holding jerseys one in the french guys to sign them and it was it was interesting to see like people that you would never think would come to my hometown or suddenly there and I was like make a joke that we're going to see like killing in Bob Bay at the local bar and and seeing them at stop and shop or whatever is kind of funny.
[UNKNOWN]: Is Zedane gonna score some goals for France this time around in the uh, no, Zedane is retired.
[UNKNOWN]: I hate to talk to you Joe.
[UNKNOWN]: All right.
[UNKNOWN]: He famously retired is last act in football was a head buddy that Italian guy really that was it for him.
[UNKNOWN]: That was his final game as a professional.
[UNKNOWN]: Oh, because he announced beforehand like the world cup is my last after the world cup.
[UNKNOWN]: I'm officially retiring.
[UNKNOWN]: And despite being one of the game's great players, although extremely overrated, like Kobe Bryant style by fans, by the way.
[UNKNOWN]: Oh, that's a lot of people going to get mad at me for saying that, but it's true.
[UNKNOWN]: Like, I'll, like, I'd extremely cool player to watch, not necessarily like was probably less productive of a player that people think, but
[UNKNOWN]: Well, yeah, he he he disgraced himself with that.
[UNKNOWN]: He's no he's no tote for my homeland I could tell you that.
[UNKNOWN]: So Totti.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, well, unfortunately team Italy missed their flight and they're not gonna make the tournament
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, it's glancing over the schedule and I didn't see when they were set to kick off and I was very disappointed about it.
[UNKNOWN]: You get your really hop on the Argentina bandwagon because that's, I mean, the people that I Argentine is just all Italian.
[UNKNOWN]: All the time, Manu Genoply.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, there are just, there are just as Italian as American Italians.
[UNKNOWN]: Yes.
[UNKNOWN]: It's like being in Union County, New Jersey, being in Argentina.
[UNKNOWN]: Basically, yeah, maybe look at the, I mean, look at the last names of the Argentina team.
[UNKNOWN]: Does it?
[UNKNOWN]: Won't your wops?
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: Well, not technically.
[UNKNOWN]: Well, maybe they don't have papers either.
[UNKNOWN]: I guess you could be in one of the tricks.
[UNKNOWN]: True.
[UNKNOWN]: Actually, teeny and speedwap.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: One time we were at a local establishment, a bar and a grill kind of place, and we were waiting for a table.
[UNKNOWN]: And you might ever talk about college basketball.
[UNKNOWN]: in my dad said something about John Calaparee and I said oh dad that's not John Calaparee that's Rick Patino and my dad goes add that other warp coach oh and your father's a canceled a very Italian looking man turned around to give my dad like the stink guy yeah that ain't yes this is before I found out that we were Italian oh because as you know lends on I recently found out I was Italian did recently dot com work
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, that I'm like five percent of town in.
[UNKNOWN]: So yeah, but this is before we do that otherwise we would just say hey for a town and we can say that just like you did right there.
[UNKNOWN]: That's right, but your dad is now canceled.
[UNKNOWN]: I just want you to know that.
[UNKNOWN]: Oh, yeah, I mean, that's that stuff.
[UNKNOWN]: He's he would.
[UNKNOWN]: He's over for him.
[UNKNOWN]: I think you can say that.
[UNKNOWN]: Can you say what?
[UNKNOWN]: I mean, it's on kouth at worst and offensive at best, I guess.
[UNKNOWN]: Like has anyone been canceled for saying walk though?
[UNKNOWN]: Probably not.
[UNKNOWN]: I mean, the thing about a tie-in, is there a way to do it?
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, like, Guinea, you're not really nice for saying it.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: You have, okay, so in a tie-in American culture, you do have this very small subset.
[UNKNOWN]: of the time Americans who do get a rationally offended by shit like that.
[UNKNOWN]: It's the same group of people who think that Martin Scorsese shouldn't make mob movies and that the sopranos was very damaging to, you know, the image of Italian Americans, the glorification of the mob, like there is that alpaltone of them.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, in fact, there's actually a subplot in the sopranos of those kinds of Italian Americans, which is kind of a send up of that whole thing.
[UNKNOWN]: So there, yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: but they're not a large enough or loud enough group to really truly cancel anyone for that shit because the rest of us are just like light enough.
[UNKNOWN]: Nobody gives a shit, calm down.
[UNKNOWN]: It's not a big deal.
[UNKNOWN]: We mock ourselves, how can we do more damage?
[UNKNOWN]: How can these people do more damage than we do to ourselves?
[UNKNOWN]: I mean, just... Yeah, just... Like, we're silly people, we're like, on people.
[UNKNOWN]: Unlike the Irish end.
[UNKNOWN]: Like...
[UNKNOWN]: You just like can't get upset about it, like you can't get upset 100% not offensive and like
[UNKNOWN]: Irish people would be like, well, there was a time where the Irish people in this country were subjugated and like, yeah, that was like 175 years ago.
[UNKNOWN]: That's what the, that's a that's a that's small group of Italian Americans like the play, too, that, you know, and it's like, I like to 1910 when they came over, I'm like, yeah, that was a long time ago and like, you're not white, you're just a white guy now.
[UNKNOWN]: You're not a pressed in any way.
[UNKNOWN]: Now every elected official in Massachusetts is either Irish or Italian.
[UNKNOWN]: I think we got to pass that.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, you've risen up the power scale now.
[UNKNOWN]: It's you can't you play that card, but they try.
[UNKNOWN]: They try to play the card.
[UNKNOWN]: The lucky charm, the lucky unlucky charm is offensive.
[UNKNOWN]: Yes.
[UNKNOWN]: Anyway, yeah, someone called me a met guy wouldn't be objected.
[UNKNOWN]: Right, and that's it, you know what?
[UNKNOWN]: That's the perfect answer to the question you just did.
[UNKNOWN]: It was sound ridiculous if someone called me a guinea.
[UNKNOWN]: And I was like, looking up their social media to get them fired from their job.
[UNKNOWN]: Like it would never.
[UNKNOWN]: Like I don't get cares.
[UNKNOWN]: Someone's so cold.
[UNKNOWN]: We're getting people like, yeah, you can't really get mad about that.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: Will were you wearing a white, white, white, uh, were you wearing a wife beater?
[UNKNOWN]: Were you wearing the guinea tea?
[UNKNOWN]: The guinea tea is what you're trying to say, but you're afraid.
[UNKNOWN]: Because you're afraid I'm going to cancel.
[UNKNOWN]: No, I was going to say wife beater, but I was trying to think of what you would call a wife beater without actually using the word wife beater.
[UNKNOWN]: Guinea tea.
[UNKNOWN]: Do you never heard that term?
[UNKNOWN]: So, that's because that was like the uniform of your typical early 20s Italian America.
[UNKNOWN]: So, I live just outside this neighborhood.
[UNKNOWN]: I don't officially live in what would be called no Nantum, otherwise known as the Lake New Massachusetts, but I live like the stones throw away a couple streets over really.
[UNKNOWN]: And it is historic, historic Italian American neighborhood, and they have all, you know, they have the Italian butcher shop, the Italian pastries, the Italian, everything's Italian, the businesses are Italian, also.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: And they famously painted the lines in the road, instead of them being yellow, they painted them green, white and red, like the Italian flag.
[UNKNOWN]: well you can't you can't meet an Italian person in the northeast without them telling you they're Italian within five minutes of the conversation.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, okay.
[UNKNOWN]: I'm glad you brought that up, Joe, and I'm glad we're still recording so I can discuss this with you.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, you said.
[UNKNOWN]: Uh, on air, nobody is like more interested in telling you that they're Italian than Italian people.
[UNKNOWN]: I think it's in Mexicans with the other one.
[UNKNOWN]: It was Italians of one other group of people.
[UNKNOWN]: I don't think if I said it was another group, I don't think I would have said Mexican.
[UNKNOWN]: But Mexican or Puerto Ricans.
[UNKNOWN]: Maybe Puerto Ricans.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, well, where I come from in New Jersey is a lot of proud Puerto Ricans that are like proud on the Italian.
[UNKNOWN]: I take huge exceptions to that because you, and I find this hard to believe because you're from New Jersey.
[UNKNOWN]: Have you ever met a Greek person in your entire life?
[UNKNOWN]: I've met some Greeks, they used to run all of the diners in New Jersey until diners stop being a thing.
[UNKNOWN]: Yes.
[UNKNOWN]: Greeks love telling you that they're Greek.
[UNKNOWN]: They do.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: Huge.
[UNKNOWN]: On the dating apps, if there's a Greek girl, she includes that she has she'll put the Greek Greek flag on that.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: I love telling you that they're Greek.
[UNKNOWN]: Shima even married a Greek person, and he is a super proud of being married to a Greek woman.
[UNKNOWN]: So it just it flows for, you know, by osmosis.
[UNKNOWN]: Locally our minions are big on telling you that there are minions.
[UNKNOWN]: I don't know how many our minions you really know, but I live in like the epicenter of our minion.
[UNKNOWN]: here there that though so I've had there many more people that like to tell you that they're super proud of them.
[UNKNOWN]: All right, I think I see what you're going to tell you it's definitely important we can definitely like to tell you that.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, yeah, the minigames are big on that and the way like German Americans are not going to be talking about exactly like these groups that we're naming are way more likely to let you know what they are when you meet them.
[UNKNOWN]: Then someone who's Dutch like they're not ever going to tell you the best is that they like oh by the way, I'm so And so and like right if you know if there if there if there people if there are people there on a lot like you know that That them like you actually didn't need to tell me that you're kidding me.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, right.
[UNKNOWN]: It's a very obvious sir very obvious That you're Italian you you just bought gobble you were in front of me at the girl's restore.
[UNKNOWN]: I you know You got canolees in the other hand.
[UNKNOWN]: I know people will tell you their name and then they'll say like
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, my name is Leo Fia-Droccas and like I'm pretty, I'm like, yeah, I actually do that.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: My name's Tony Lizania, I'm Italian.
[UNKNOWN]: Okay, thank you Tony, let's see that now.
[UNKNOWN]: I should be offended by that.
[UNKNOWN]: Lizania, I know somebody whose name was Tony Lizania.
[UNKNOWN]: Lizania.
[UNKNOWN]: Yes, Lizania.
[UNKNOWN]: Yes, I'm not making it up.
[UNKNOWN]: that you know that's it's it's that would be like you know if i were a chinese guy and you were like oh i met some guy is name was uh... was jimmy general's chicken like you can't just say tony lasagna i should be a fact was his name Anthony lasagna yeah all right sure i mean like piazza's name is basically mike pizza
[UNKNOWN]: Again, see, you would never say to a Chinese guy, oh, I didn't get that.
[UNKNOWN]: That was that student, the actual name.
[UNKNOWN]: No, your last name.
[UNKNOWN]: Oh, that may as well be Chalmein.
[UNKNOWN]: You can't do that.
[UNKNOWN]: You can't do that, Jesse.
[UNKNOWN]: You can't sit here and be smirch in this way.
[UNKNOWN]: I see with your lands on you, you're trying to be a wise guy here.
[UNKNOWN]: No, I didn't mean to think about that.
[UNKNOWN]: Honestly, I know your last name is Italian, but it's not like that high on the stereotypical Italian scale.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: a Mario Lanza, different pronunciation.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, if you pronounce it a little bit, it changes a little bit, but like, I would say like Dante divinchenzo.
[UNKNOWN]: That's like a ton of a ton of a ton of a ton of a ton of a ton of a ton of a ton of a ton of a ton of a ton of a ton of a ton of a ton of a ton of a ton of a ton of a ton of a ton of a ton of a ton of a ton of a ton of a ton of a ton of a ton of a ton of a ton of a ton of a ton of a ton of a ton of a ton of a ton of a ton of a ton of a ton of a ton of a ton of a ton of a ton of a ton of a ton of a ton of a ton of a ton of a ton of a ton of a ton of a ton of a ton of a ton of a ton of a ton of a ton of a ton of a ton of a ton of
[UNKNOWN]: And forget it, if he meets another Italian, then that's gonna be a whole thing.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: Fresh Canadians like telling you they're French Canadian, too.
[UNKNOWN]: And again, they don't need to.
[UNKNOWN]: The more people who don't need to.
[UNKNOWN]: Like I got to see, I don't need to.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: Any place that's like, but there's a lot of people that I grew up around of, I feel like they were pretty big on telling you that.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: All right, Jody, if anything, you want to plug.
[UNKNOWN]: I know you just made a appearance of the Super Jcast.
[UNKNOWN]: You want to talk about that at all?
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, I did.
[UNKNOWN]: I went on there.
[UNKNOWN]: One of their paywall shows.
[UNKNOWN]: So I think it's on their $10 tier.
[UNKNOWN]: You could buy it.
[UNKNOWN]: I look hearts for three dollars.
[UNKNOWN]: I did a Damen's unmasked series.
[UNKNOWN]: He's doing a casual style interviews with wrestling adjacent people.
[UNKNOWN]: So it's not a lot of wrestling talk at all.
[UNKNOWN]: It's more a shooting to shit and pulling back the curtain on podcasting and
[UNKNOWN]: I'm just talking, talking shop on podcasting and my background and podcasting and some of my podcasting theories, he basically just gave me an hour to talk about myself, which was, you know, I'll ensure if I was into the idea of talking about myself for an hour Jesse, but he twisted my arm and he got me to do it and it's getting some excellent reviews.
[UNKNOWN]: If you just can't get enough of JL, you can get more of me for $10 or $3 on their SuperJCast paywall.
[UNKNOWN]: Are you going to get a cut of any of that money?
[UNKNOWN]: Because the $3 buy it.
[UNKNOWN]: You can definitely, I'll tell you what.
[UNKNOWN]: That was definitely you that drew those people in, right?
[UNKNOWN]: The $10 can, you know, make an excuse.
[UNKNOWN]: You could argue that it was, you know, the overall SuperJCast product that people paying for it.
[UNKNOWN]: But that $3 like allocarts kind of purchase.
[UNKNOWN]: You better begin that percentage of that gate brother.
[UNKNOWN]: First of all, I always pop a number when I come on any of these shows.
[UNKNOWN]: But I told him after he turned off the recording, I said, you know I'm gonna pop a house here, right?
[UNKNOWN]: You understand that, like, and he's like, oh, yeah, that's why I'm playing.
[UNKNOWN]: So I get this text message this morning.
[UNKNOWN]: And quote, also, thank you for popping the house, brother.
[UNKNOWN]: The largest by now show since we started Patreon and quote.
[UNKNOWN]: I'm a ratings mover, Jesse.
[UNKNOWN]: You know, you gotta be kidding.
[UNKNOWN]: You gotta be getting that, like, Lake Career Bruno Samarotino deal where he was getting, like, 35% of the house or something like that.
[UNKNOWN]: I don't want to taste.
[UNKNOWN]: I'm okay.
[UNKNOWN]: I'm doing okay.
[UNKNOWN]: I listen, you guys are all my friends.
[UNKNOWN]: I'm happy to do it.
[UNKNOWN]: I'm happy to come here and pop the house.
[UNKNOWN]: for a super JKS patron and also gentleman's wrestling podcast.
[UNKNOWN]: No problem.
[UNKNOWN]: I'm doing another podcast next week.
[UNKNOWN]: I got, I don't know if that's been announced.
[UNKNOWN]: I'm going to keep that on the wraps, but you know, I'm trying to get out there more and I'll tell you, no one can take away Joe that you make the towns.
[UNKNOWN]: I make the towns and I pop the house.
[UNKNOWN]: And that's really what it's all about.
[UNKNOWN]: You're like one of those I remember like,
[UNKNOWN]: I think it was Chris Jericho, one of his books he talks about, being in smokey mountain wrestling and talking, and like the rock and roll express for there, and rock and roll express, just told a bunch of stories, but every single one of the stories was about how they came to a town in pop-to-house.
[UNKNOWN]: Like, no matter how it started, it always ended with, in that same pop-to-house.
[UNKNOWN]: So, Lily, look, I just read you a direct quote that I popped the house.
[UNKNOWN]: So, there you go.
[UNKNOWN]: You watched the numbers on this fucking thing.
[UNKNOWN]: You'll see, people love the jail.
[UNKNOWN]: Hmm, I know some people that will actually just be there.
[UNKNOWN]: Well, yeah, that all the people, not all the people of the jail, but you know what?
[UNKNOWN]: They listen to hate listens count just as much in the, uh, in the download counts.
[UNKNOWN]: It's all the same.
[UNKNOWN]: I never listen to people I just like on podcast.
[UNKNOWN]: All people love to do that though.
[UNKNOWN]: Like when like Simmons or someone I'm regular, you have to listen to has like a guess that I don't care about.
[UNKNOWN]: Like I'm not gonna like listen to Ariel Hooney on the Bill Simmons box.
[UNKNOWN]: Right, just so you could be mad at it, right?
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: I'm not tuning into 83 weeks to find out what Eric wish on us to say, like, I, right, so much better uses of my time.
[UNKNOWN]: Well, see how it's turned theory.
[UNKNOWN]: Half the audience loved me, half the audience fucking hated me, but they all listened, right?
[UNKNOWN]: Well, they have to respect you to a degree.
[UNKNOWN]: I guess, that's true.
[UNKNOWN]: And you have no respect for Ariel Hellwani.
[UNKNOWN]: No, none at all.
[UNKNOWN]: Among the people I would have the least amount of respect for working in media.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: All right.
[UNKNOWN]: Take care, everyone.
[UNKNOWN]: Thanks for listening.