[SPEAKER_00]: Hello and welcome to Media and Literate, the show where two long-time best friends try to sharpen up their media literacy skills by having a long conversation about a new movie in theaters each week.
[SPEAKER_00]: My name is Monica Scott and my co-host is Emily Fay and Boyle Boy today we did disclosure day.
[SPEAKER_00]: Massive spoiler warning right up front because we really waste no time
[SPEAKER_00]: ripping this movie to shreds.
[SPEAKER_00]: So we're gonna talk about all of it.
[SPEAKER_00]: We have really, really strong feelings.
[SPEAKER_00]: So spoiler warning and women having feelings warning.
[SPEAKER_00]: If you're not ready for that, let's see.
[SPEAKER_00]: Do I have anything else I have to tell you before this?
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[SPEAKER_00]: I tried a new lighting thing today, so feel free to let me know if I look bright orange.
[SPEAKER_00]: Um,
[SPEAKER_00]: I think that's it for right now.
[SPEAKER_00]: Thank you and enjoy the show.
[SPEAKER_00]: Hello, and welcome to Disclosure Day.
[SPEAKER_00]: Click, click, click, click, gargle, gargle, alien noises.
[SPEAKER_01]: And what we're just closing is that we hated this movie.
[SPEAKER_00]: Boy, boy, boy, this was a tough hang.
[SPEAKER_01]: It didn't even hate it in a fun way.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, yeah, I didn't hate it in a fun way.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, we both had a really hard time with this movie.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm gonna do my best listeners to not go on a crazy political rant, but I do think some thoughts will be incoming.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's what this movie is like trying to like.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's trying to say something, I just don't think it's successful.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's right to say a lot of things, honestly.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, it's trying to say, dare I say, far too many things, um, so, okay, my thesis of my thoughts of this movie are that this movie has the world view of a boomer who achieved all their dreams.
[SPEAKER_00]: And so they, like,
[SPEAKER_00]: he thinks that authority has a humanity that can be appealed to and that that works which we've learned kind of over and over again.
[SPEAKER_00]: That doesn't work.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's like that actually never happened not once.
[SPEAKER_00]: We've called our senators so many times they don't care what we have to say.
[SPEAKER_00]: Also that like if you just tell everybody the truth that that is what causes change.
[SPEAKER_00]: Um, and that's something that's sort of like we have watched atrocities on our phones for like 10 years straight at this point.
[SPEAKER_00]: And, uh, doesn't matter.
[SPEAKER_00]: Nothing happens.
[SPEAKER_00]: Uh, nobody makes any changes.
[SPEAKER_01]: It feels absolutely insane that like kind of the core premise of this movie is like, well, if you show people, if people see this on screens,
[SPEAKER_01]: That will shift something inside of them when it's like, yeah, that's literally that actually doesn't happen.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and, you know, I think something that like, so we record, you know, generally on Sundays, right?
[SPEAKER_00]: So we usually have like a couple of days of like whatever the discourse cycle is that starts with a movie.
[SPEAKER_00]: We absorb a little bit of it.
[SPEAKER_00]: I have been completely irritated by the discourse around this movie that is, if you didn't like it, you're too cynical to get it.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and it's like, oh, you just, you don't like that someone could be optimistic.
[SPEAKER_01]: You're only criticism is like cynicism and it's like, well,
[SPEAKER_01]: No, and yes, but it's like, does it earn the optimism?
[SPEAKER_01]: No.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I think that's what's frustrating.
[SPEAKER_00]: And also, like, listen, if I use the example of us too, right?
[SPEAKER_00]: We are, we, I think, could be called cynical sometimes.
[SPEAKER_00]: But the truth is, we are not immune to hope core.
[SPEAKER_00]: Otherwise, we wouldn't have liked Project Hail Mary, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like, it's not like we can't
[SPEAKER_00]: Achieve hopefulness, but I really need a story to live in the reality I live in if it's set in the reality I live in which it is.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, like we're not like unreachable like it's not like we just enjoy like Being like oh The world is an evil place and nothing can be done, but it's just that like sorry We're not stupid Sorry, I'm stupid
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and, you know, I don't think Steven Spielberg is stupid, but I do think that he is an older gentleman who, again, achieved all his dreams.
[SPEAKER_00]: So he believes in the authority figures and the gatekeepers that have like, that if he, he just appealed to the right ones and he got his dreams to come true and that is not the reality for
[SPEAKER_00]: basically everyone else.
[SPEAKER_00]: And he is, you know, he's seeing the same images on the phone that we are, right?
[SPEAKER_00]: And his reaction to it is like, if everyone could just understand each other and empathize, we would have peace or whatever it is he's like appealing to.
[SPEAKER_00]: And it just is like,
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, using aliens as a stand-in for like video of atrocity was so, it just was like, yeah, but we don't, I mean, they released stuff like this all the time at this point.
[SPEAKER_01]: No, it's not about aliens, but they've got so weird because it's like, it doesn't work.
[SPEAKER_01]: It doesn't even seem to work on him because like, he is a Zionist.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like, it doesn't even work when it's humans.
[SPEAKER_01]: So why does he think it would work when it's aliens?
[SPEAKER_00]: That's interesting.
[SPEAKER_00]: I didn't know that about him, but yeah, it's like, yeah, I'm like almost dumbfounded by how frustrated I found me because I also, I find the the naiveness.
[SPEAKER_00]: dangerous.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like thinking you can appeal to the humanity of a violent oppressor gets people killed and has this year.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's just such an odd movie because it's, it's also, yeah, it's been like, I have, I have felt we are both so flustered by how frustrated we are.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I guess it's just like I've literally been in like sort of an irritated, generally agitated mood since seeing this movie and I think it's the movie's fault.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like it's been like a pebble in my shoe and not in a way where it's like, oh, maybe that means it was actually good because there's like ideas I'm rolling around in my mind.
[SPEAKER_01]: But just where I'm just like, I'm just generally like a little irritated all the time.
[SPEAKER_01]: So I'm hating it more as the days
[SPEAKER_01]: pass.
[SPEAKER_01]: And yeah, I think he's just super out of touch, which I think you don't have to be in touch for a lot of movies.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like, there's so many movies he could make.
[SPEAKER_01]: We're like, I don't think you have to be in touch with the current realistic state of the world to make Indiana Jones.
[SPEAKER_01]: I fucking love Indiana Jones.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I love, I loved West Side story a few years ago.
[SPEAKER_01]: But something about him trying to say something about like, yeah, the current state of humanity, I'm just like, you're this is bad and also okay aside from all that even aside from all that as a movie
[SPEAKER_01]: I didn't like it.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like just as a movie.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: I was not entertained.
[SPEAKER_01]: I didn't feel anything.
[SPEAKER_01]: I've been shocked by people saying they were moved by it because like I'm dumbfounded as to what could have even moved someone.
[SPEAKER_01]: Uh, I didn't think
[SPEAKER_01]: I just like, you know, usually I'm very like, oh my god, I hate when someone is just like fidgeting nonstop next to me in a movie theater in this movie.
[SPEAKER_01]: I was the fidgeter.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, luckily you're at almost three hours of fidgeting to do, like it luckily it was like recliner seats So I wasn't like touching anyone but I was just like Fucking moving my body like my legs.
[SPEAKER_00]: I was getting fucking restless legs syndrome because I was just like I just need this to be open Yeah, you're making me realize I was doing that too and I didn't even notice that that's probably why I
[SPEAKER_00]: So I did cry during the disclosure scene, the climactic disclosure scene and the end of the movie, but not disclosure day.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, but not for what I believe was his intent because
[SPEAKER_00]: one I did find that that journalist who is an actor now that did that played the like news anchor I did find her performance quite good like I was like you know this is like believes it's good yeah but it wasn't even that it was that
[SPEAKER_00]: They depict like, they've interrupted the news broadcast and they go in and they get to do this disclosure and they're uploading the videos and everyone around the world is having this completely focused in on a news story and everyone's feeling emotional about it and the powers that we're trying to stop this,
[SPEAKER_00]: Just sat down and let it happen because they realized that something, I don't know, we're never really told what he realized that makes him sit down and not continue to stop them.
[SPEAKER_00]: But all of this is happening, and I'm sitting there thinking, this isn't the fucking world I live in.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like, this isn't what happens.
[SPEAKER_00]: They're one.
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't even know what news network I would trust information from at this point.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like talking about television news.
[SPEAKER_00]: And genuinely don't have one.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, the most unreal is the part of this is that like cable news has some sort of like impact and people are watching it live.
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, and yeah, and this was not to be a news nerd.
[SPEAKER_00]: This was network.
[SPEAKER_00]: This was in my scene, it was an important distinction, but also not anymore.
[SPEAKER_00]: But I mean, I am very passionate about journalism.
[SPEAKER_00]: I worked in PR for a long time.
[SPEAKER_00]: I have specific journalists.
[SPEAKER_00]: I follow very closely, and I care about all this stuff.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I'm going to talk about it.
[SPEAKER_00]: I was watching this thinking this does this is just not what happens nobody gives a shit I don't trust any television news sources anymore there's no place where this would be some emotional thing and then people in the world wouldn't even believe it they'd all think it's a I like yeah it just was like there's just like everything about this was like this just isn't how the world works and it's completely irritating
[SPEAKER_00]: to be presented this and then shamed for not being like hopeful and open-hearted towards it.
[SPEAKER_00]: And it's like, this isn't in reality with me.
[SPEAKER_01]: I guess I'm also not even sure what reaction everyone was necessarily supposed to be having.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like,
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I mean, sympathy, I think.
[SPEAKER_01]: But Lesh-Mark, I just, again, I'm just kind of like, but what, like, what about this would make unless it's the alien brain control, which is like a whole other thing that we'll get to.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like, I don't understand why everyone's reaction to this would immediately be to be empathetic instead of like, oh my god, there's alien,
[SPEAKER_01]: And also, I guess in our world, I think this exists in a world where the biggest thing, the biggest secret the government could possibly disclose would be aliens and the real existence of aliens having come to earth, whereas literally I do think we're living in an era where it's like that would be big news, but like
[SPEAKER_01]: They're acting like it is the only earth-shattering secret that a government could possibly disclose.
[SPEAKER_01]: And it's like, I think there's way crazy things that are actually happening.
[SPEAKER_01]: And in fact, people would probably be like, okay, that is crazy, but that's just a distraction.
[SPEAKER_00]: right from whatever you know I mean yeah I think that it begs the comparison to abstain and the abstain story and the fact that like this is the disclosure that keeps coming up currently and even that is like there's still like obfuscating and lying to us about it and it's completely
[SPEAKER_00]: It didn't realizing it.
[SPEAKER_01]: And it's just, like, packed is it actually having?
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, none.
[SPEAKER_01]: Cool.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like, it's, yeah, it's like no one's held accountable for anything.
[SPEAKER_00]: So it's hard for me to like, enjoy a movie where it's like, oh, the guy who runs Palantir just sits down and lets you get away with whatever.
[SPEAKER_01]: And then, okay.
[SPEAKER_01]: So like, I did think I'm the only love Emily Blun.
[SPEAKER_01]: I thought she was really great in it.
[SPEAKER_01]: I thought Colin Firth was not that great in it.
[SPEAKER_01]: I feel quite scary.
[SPEAKER_01]: I did find him like, didn't I?
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know.
[SPEAKER_00]: I just think you don't respect British people.
[SPEAKER_01]: I look, I respect Hugh Grant being really evil in Paddington.
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_01]: Two.
[SPEAKER_01]: He's so good in that.
[SPEAKER_01]: And Josh O'Connor, I love Josh O'Connor.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think he is such a good actor.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think he is so, so wonderful, didn't think he was that great in this, but I think that might have been the script.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think it might have just been the lines he was having to say were so fucking bad.
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, it's tough.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's tough.
[SPEAKER_00]: The lines he was having to say, like, oh, they hired me right out of, after I was in federal prison, like, I just like, a lot of it were you and I don't know.
[SPEAKER_00]: It was just a lot of it was like,
[SPEAKER_00]: This is not, this is, here's also styled to me to look like one of the Spielberg boy's, like, alien or, like, you know what I mean?
[SPEAKER_00]: Like, oh, she had a, like, walking around with a little jacket, a little boy face, holding onto a backpack is like, okay, so this is supposed to evoke, I mean, I think a good Spielberg cheat code in the past has been, like,
[SPEAKER_00]: children.
[SPEAKER_00]: And we are, yeah, this story is, it pulls on your emotions because of children.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think Josh O'Connor can evoke those feelings because he has a very boyish expression and like in a sense in his face.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and yet I was like, this is foolish.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, no, love, absolutely love him.
[SPEAKER_01]: Think he is like one of the greatest actors, young actors working right now.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, even he could not save that character.
[SPEAKER_01]: If Houston's character, I was just like, what is this character?
[SPEAKER_01]: What is her storyline?
[SPEAKER_01]: I hate this.
[SPEAKER_01]: I thought she was so I thought that and their relationship was just like,
[SPEAKER_01]: So half-baked and weird, I did not care about the catholic stuff.
[SPEAKER_00]: No, and I didn't even really understand what I was supposed to think about it.
[SPEAKER_00]: To be honest, like what the movie, what the text of the movie wanted me to think about it.
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't really understand, and I'm perfectly willing to say that.
[SPEAKER_00]: I do think her.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think everyone's performance was good.
[SPEAKER_00]: I can't think of a single performance that I thought was bad.
[SPEAKER_00]: I just think again her character was like not written in a way that was interesting at all.
[SPEAKER_00]: But all the stuff she had to do with the body snatching, alien technology stuff.
[SPEAKER_00]: It was like cool.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think it's like a good performance.
[SPEAKER_00]: That, for me, that was the only stuff that kind of worked, like, where it, and even worked feels strong.
[SPEAKER_00]: It, like, helped my attention.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I, I also know that even us using the language, like, I didn't understand blah, blah, blah.
[SPEAKER_01]: They're going to be people, because I've already seen this online, being like, oh, you just didn't get it.
[SPEAKER_01]: You didn't, whatever.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I'm like, everything that people are taking from this movie is like,
[SPEAKER_01]: not something that I even know that the movie intends.
[SPEAKER_01]: Or it's like, if someone is getting these things from the movie, it's because they're elaborating on it in their own mind.
[SPEAKER_01]: But I don't think the movie like earns any of the like deep things people are taking from it.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like, okay, for example, talking about kids,
[SPEAKER_01]: Alien abductions are very clearly rape coded.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's always been like a thing.
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, just like the probing and the like, you know, everything like that.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's simply not something that I've ever thought.
[SPEAKER_01]: And totally, I guess I just think Alien abductions are often very like coded in that.
[SPEAKER_01]: And it's hard to make it not like that.
[SPEAKER_01]: And then there's all the stuff with, you know, it seems pretty explicit.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it's like, they both have this trauma from when they're 10 that they've blocked out and don't want to revisit and it changed their person, you know, all that stuff.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's very like, okay, you're like, okay, they're, this seems very like they were,
[SPEAKER_00]: do you feel like heat that like Spielberg is trying to say that that is what the trauma is?
[SPEAKER_00]: Or like that that's what his coding is?
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, just because like I mean how could how could you be like having these characters?
[SPEAKER_01]: reacting to a child to trauma where they were like abducted and something was done to them in this way and not make that connection.
[SPEAKER_01]: Right?
[SPEAKER_00]: I didn't, I just wasn't okay.
[SPEAKER_00]: To me, and I think I think part of why I think this is because
[SPEAKER_00]: I felt that the depiction of the aliens in this movie was intended to be purely like positive, that it was intended to be like, these are the others, these are the misunderstood others, and we are the bad guy, and if only we could just listen, we would, you know, so like,
[SPEAKER_00]: That just doesn't fit in that narrative to me.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, I agree with you, and that's why I think it's odd and doesn't work.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's because to me, all that stuff and then him being like, don't go with them, they're not what they say, you know, like they are having these very visceral reactions, and then something is done to them as children without their consent, but then it is ultimately presented as like a good thing.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I actually, I actually see it as like a, and this is just something that's occurring to me right now, as you're talking, is it a parallel for vaccines?
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't mean to I don't mean to love a softball to the crazies, but You know, you could have I don't think so, but I bet there is someone out there with that read because I think that any movie someone will read it like that out there in the world Someone but someone our one our one crazy fall our listener is like doing a fits in the air out of excitement
[SPEAKER_01]: it is it is creepy when something shows up in her room and then leads her away to this house and then does something to her that then becomes a core trauma and he's there too and then then it's at whatever but yeah then it is presented is like no but this was good and necessary and I'm like oh
[SPEAKER_00]: and what they do to them gives them all to them.
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh.
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh.
[SPEAKER_00]: Wow, I didn't even notice that, but yeah, what the fuck?
[SPEAKER_01]: I didn't think that was funny.
[SPEAKER_00]: Emily Blunt was doing like an incredible, like, Daffy Dame kind of like waiting.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, where she's like, you know, head in the clouds, goofball.
[SPEAKER_00]: I really loved that performance.
[SPEAKER_00]: he was annoying intentionally as a character but white wrestles like boyfriend character yeah they had some truly funny moments in the movie that i was like welcoming yeah it's just like this movie is tedious you know i'm having to like
[SPEAKER_00]: Watch all this like it was frustrating to have that as the direct parallel to God I forget Joshua Conner's character's name, but Joshua Connor and it's killer.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think Dr. Keller was his name Did something killer?
[SPEAKER_00]: Mr.
[SPEAKER_01]: Scientist, I think Josh O'Connor's name was Keller, and then Jane and me go with the girl.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_00]: Do you guys love listening to this part?
[SPEAKER_00]: We're kind of remember character names.
[SPEAKER_00]: But having Emily Blank character with her boyfriend and their scenes are kind of like, they at least feel alive.
[SPEAKER_00]: They feel like alive people.
[SPEAKER_00]: that it feels like a relationship that is not great, but it exists and then you like flash to Joshua Connor and his girlfriend and they
[SPEAKER_01]: Barely you seem like they have met like I know and it's so weird because there's these things where it's like You know, it's like and no one understood me until I met Jane, but it's like why I don't understand what about her and you like connect like you have no chemistry You don't seem to really even talk like I don't understand why there is no anything about each other
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, you know, no, that's so true because especially when he's like, you were a nun and she's like, it was a long time ago Three years and it's like bitch you are like in your mid 30s you were trying to become a nun at like 32 and Like somehow that never came up.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's crazy trying to become a nun at like 32 That's like a really significant thing about your personnel
[SPEAKER_00]: That's like, yeah, that's something.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's like a major life event in the trade that you made.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it was very, it was just written so poorly.
[SPEAKER_00]: Their characters like that.
[SPEAKER_00]: Because then those are also the characters that are put in the most danger really quickly.
[SPEAKER_00]: And it's like, I don't care who are these people.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I, you know, I guess I generally want him to escape.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm like, look, at least with him, I'm like, okay, you have some sort of mission.
[SPEAKER_01]: With her, I'm like, why didn't you just leave her somewhere?
[SPEAKER_01]: Like, sorry, but she's stay at the convent.
[SPEAKER_01]: That character, like, I thought her character sucked.
[SPEAKER_00]: absolute ass like because also like when she gets in the car after when he's like okay you stay at the convent and I'm leaving and she gets in the car and she's like you know she says some plucky bullshit yeah like it's just like
[SPEAKER_00]: This is actually like incredibly frustrating.
[SPEAKER_00]: He's obviously in a life or death.
[SPEAKER_00]: You were just kidnapped by the way.
[SPEAKER_00]: Is that not affecting you at all?
[SPEAKER_01]: Nothing about you that seems like it's going to be helpful.
[SPEAKER_01]: No offense.
[SPEAKER_01]: Her only purpose in this narrative is to be the vessel through which the movie has the conversation about how do aliens reconcile with religion?
[SPEAKER_01]: And I'm like,
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know, that's not something I've ever really wondered nor do I care about and Steven Spielberg I didn't know you were this interested in like catholicism as a fucking big Jew like I don't what I it's just like how her first Take it easy
[SPEAKER_00]: First, I'm Jewish to be clear.
[SPEAKER_00]: He needs to disclose that.
[SPEAKER_01]: The fact that her first reaction when he shows her that there is proof of aliens, her first question is, but people can't handle that because then they won't believe in God anymore.
[SPEAKER_01]: Because they'll immediately see these as the divine beings.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm like, one,
[SPEAKER_01]: Why do you think people everyone will immediately see these creatures as divine beings?
[SPEAKER_01]: You don't know anything about them yet.
[SPEAKER_01]: You don't know that they have this empathy power or whatever, you know?
[SPEAKER_01]: Two.
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, that seems fine if people don't believe in God anymore.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's been, I get, God causes a lot of issues.
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, personally, yes, I agree.
[SPEAKER_00]: Character wise, I get why she would think that way, but it's like,
[SPEAKER_00]: She just is done no justice by this script at all.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I think she's like a totally capable actor that was given some of the dumbest lines I've ever heard anyone have to say.
[SPEAKER_01]: I do like her and other stuff.
[SPEAKER_00]: I just like found this character so annoying, frustrating.
[SPEAKER_00]: And the whole plot line, Josh, Josh, a corner is too.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: Written, so poorly.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I would love to be pedantic for a few minutes and talk about the whole chase sequence farmhouse stuff.
[SPEAKER_00]: So listen, I enjoy the way Spielberg swings a camera around is cool, and I like it It's like the only piece of Spielberg nostalgia that I'm like in the bag for that I'm like cool.
[SPEAKER_00]: This is fun and like I'm not to sound like a complete idiot, but I
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean my husband Alex hated this movie even more than I did and I was like, well, you know I did like when the car drive through debilting.
[SPEAKER_00]: I also like when the car drive through debilting I think that part was cool But outside of that there's like this sequence where he's like approaching the house and he's and like and it's been pointed out that it's like
[SPEAKER_00]: Hey, they would have fucking seed that seen this guy like immediately.
[SPEAKER_00]: He's standing, he's hiding against of an open fence.
[SPEAKER_01]: No, I know what they show how far most the agents are.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's like, oh, just none of them are looking in another direction.
[SPEAKER_00]: And they're uphill from him.
[SPEAKER_00]: So it's like, yeah, there he is.
[SPEAKER_00]: And again, this company West.
[SPEAKER_00]: Tech, or something is what it's called, Wex Tech, I don't remember the name of the evil company, but this company is clearly supposed to be some kind of like amalgamation of like Palantir meets Raytheon, like meets other department of defense contractors that are like the most evil shit on the planet.
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, wait, can I say a really funny quick thing.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, okay one time I went on like a hinge day with a guy and then we went on like three days but I didn't really like him and I have a tendency to do that and he he worked in like city planning now but he had worked for like the department of defense for like five years and I was like what?
[SPEAKER_01]: and he was like, yeah, and then I quit once I realized how evil they were because he didn't know they were evil for five years.
[SPEAKER_00]: you know it's really our best and brightest working man he didn't realize that they were evil for five I mean this is gonna send me into a different tangent and I'm going on it so I think that like I think it's why I was so agitated I'm so agitated by this movie because it's like
[SPEAKER_00]: 9-11, sorry, sorry to bring it all back.
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[SPEAKER_00]: the innocence truly was lost for like anyone paying attention.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like you really were like oh we're the bad guys everywhere and we don't deserve these bad things but I understand how we end up getting them.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah and so like this movie seems to not see that at all.
[SPEAKER_00]: And it was it just a short circling my brain, but anyway, that made me think in I'm 11.
[SPEAKER_00]: Sorry.
[SPEAKER_00]: Sorry, like everything does my entire adult life has been in a post 9-11 world.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's how I think But so yeah, there's this like sequence where they're showing this shit and it's like this like pound tear Meets Ray theon and it's like they have a security force that they are clearly allowed to intervene with civilian life however they see fit
[SPEAKER_00]: They're shooting this guy in the head one second into this pursuit.
[SPEAKER_00]: There's no world where they're like, oh no, the car, like chasing the car.
[SPEAKER_00]: Anything something that Spielberg like never developed a skill to do in his directing.
[SPEAKER_00]: is to plausibly occupy the, the, the, the, the bad guys, the henchmen.
[SPEAKER_00]: So they're just like standing around.
[SPEAKER_00]: And there's like multiple scenes in this sequence in this like kind of fun action sequence where it's like, yeah, but why are they just standing there and looking at him?
[SPEAKER_00]: So don't get it.
[SPEAKER_00]: It would have been so easy to occupy
[SPEAKER_00]: It's almost like he thinks we're stupid and he won't have this attention to detail and it's pissing me off.
[SPEAKER_01]: I just think it's like it's all these things that are very Spielberg things that work so well in like, yeah, Indiana Jones and movies like that, but when you put it in just our actual current world, it becomes very stupid feeling and like,
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I, okay, then we bring in like the glow sticks and it's just what you're calling the little rock, the magical, the devices.
[SPEAKER_01]: And that just brings the stupidity level up to like a fucking 10 immediately because it's really never established like,
[SPEAKER_01]: what they do, what they can do, what they are planning on doing with them.
[SPEAKER_01]: It just seems like every single time the script doesn't know what to do.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's like, and then the glow sticks can do this.
[SPEAKER_01]: Actually, it's like, okay, I, the, the.
[SPEAKER_00]: So I agree, except that as someone who has watched like 10 seasons of Doctor Who, nerd alert, I'm sorry, I have.
[SPEAKER_00]: Um, I will say he has a device, so in Doctor Who there's like a few like, I mean, and Doctor Who is like the most scotch tape together type of sci-fi thing on earth, right?
[SPEAKER_00]: Like, but it has a few like visible totems of the character.
[SPEAKER_00]: And his like little weapon is it called a sonic screwdriver and it just looks like a little wand.
[SPEAKER_00]: And it is essentially the same thing.
[SPEAKER_00]: It just does anything that the script needs it to do in that moment, and that is all that happens.
[SPEAKER_00]: So at least I had been primed to accept this type of device in the sci-fi.
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't think it's good, but I was like,
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, he's banking on, he's banking on the nerds being like, yeah, and of course.
[SPEAKER_00]: Sometimes there's just a device that does everything that you need it to do.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I guess I'm like, look, I accepted it.
[SPEAKER_01]: I was just like, okay, whatever, but I do just think it was,
[SPEAKER_00]: silly for a movie that doesn't think it's silly you know the movie thinks it's the movie thinks it's incredibly serious and it takes seriously any of the stuff that you need it to like yeah he's like oh and nobody's gonna care like I really do think they think we're stupid like yeah
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, nobody's going to notice that the henchmen are just staying there.
[SPEAKER_00]: Nobody's going to notice that like there's no thought put into any of this stuff that this thing can do and why it can do it and that's fine.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and it's like.
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, the whole premise is like the evil people are like we can't disclose this because of the effect it'll have on everyone.
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, what do you think will happen?
[SPEAKER_01]: They never explain that.
[SPEAKER_01]: I would at least like to know their motivation, the evil guys.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and it's so obvious that it's like they, in the real world, they want they prefer control and they want to.
[SPEAKER_00]: use this to monetize anything they possibly can.
[SPEAKER_00]: Say that.
[SPEAKER_00]: You need to say it's like the movie.
[SPEAKER_00]: You need to make that plane.
[SPEAKER_01]: Their motivations are too vague for it being the entire premise.
[SPEAKER_01]: And then honestly, the whole thing is leading up to this disclosure, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: What does happen after?
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm way more interested in like, okay, yeah, if you're saying that the effects are going to be like earth shattering for some reason going to completely like change humanity and the world as a whole.
[SPEAKER_01]: that's so much more interesting than them getting to a news station like yeah look and yeah I the car in the in the house that was a moment where you're like yeah Spielberg and then the train was very late the train was really exhilarating and then they had great chemistry
[SPEAKER_01]: Josh Oakburn, Emily Blunt.
[SPEAKER_01]: He had zero chemistry with Eve Houston, but Bono's daughter.
[SPEAKER_00]: The love of his life.
[SPEAKER_01]: The love of his life.
[SPEAKER_01]: We would risk it all for.
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, the scene in the train where she's having the panic attack and he puts his big body around her.
[SPEAKER_00]: You know hornie who who among us doesn't well or any moment doesn't doesn't want draw show Conor to just I didn't blink at us, but I Mean it was also like a beautiful it's just so funny that is a real like humanity Seeing that was like moving to me and like good
[SPEAKER_00]: And she was very, I didn't that scene, haven't her been, really belong in this movie.
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know because it's like, okay, okay.
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know.
[SPEAKER_00]: And then, okay, her behavior did by this movie.
[SPEAKER_00]: Empathy powers.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's so strange how then empathy in this movie means
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I can read your mind and control you by looking in your eyes.
[SPEAKER_01]: But that wasn't quite what was happening.
[SPEAKER_01]: In some parts it kind I don't know if I just thought it was so like the when she like turned into everyone's loved ones and then they just went like slack jawed and stepped out of the way.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, but she was turning into loved ones that were like, there was something complicated.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: About.
[SPEAKER_00]: And then when she didn't do that, and she was just like, she could just see your innermost, most present fear, or some, or not fear, but like concern the thing that has you stressed, and she would be like, oh, here's the solution.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I just thought it was a very odd version.
[SPEAKER_01]: of empathy.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I mean, I do think it's like an old man's version of how empathy is exists within people.
[SPEAKER_01]: Because I think it's a little scary that someone or some creature can just get inside your brain and history and dig around and take what they want and then use it to manipulate you.
[SPEAKER_01]: I gave her a personality disorder.
[SPEAKER_01]: I also just like, I kind of wish we'd known more about the aliens.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, you know, I think as we're like feeling around the different beats of the story and like talking about them, it's really making me realize like what I wish this movie was about was like,
[SPEAKER_00]: What happens after disclosure day?
[SPEAKER_00]: Like actually the exit up to disclosure was not that interesting?
[SPEAKER_00]: No, and wasn't really even that well depicted in my opinion, which is the bummer because it is the entire movie.
[SPEAKER_00]: The disclosure is like five minutes in the end.
[SPEAKER_01]: If we don't know what happens after, I'm kind of like, then why do we care about the journey to get there?
[SPEAKER_01]: Because I don't know what the fallout is, or the impact, like, no, the movie, I think with alien movies, like, I want to see how then the aliens and the humans, like, interact.
[SPEAKER_01]: Or like, what, why are the aliens even coming to Earth?
[SPEAKER_01]: Why are they crashing all the time?
[SPEAKER_01]: Are they really bad drivers?
[SPEAKER_01]: Like,
[SPEAKER_01]: What is their goal?
[SPEAKER_01]: What are they going to do now?
[SPEAKER_01]: What are people going to do now?
[SPEAKER_01]: How are people going to think of the aliens?
[SPEAKER_00]: Like, yeah, I also think like, in terms of,
[SPEAKER_00]: It's like this movie has two purposes, I think, from Spielberg's perspective.
[SPEAKER_00]: One is that he is desperately trying to get out all these messages all in one movie.
[SPEAKER_00]: And it's like the worst version of something he's ever done.
[SPEAKER_00]: And the other purpose that I think this movie serves is, man, I never got to shoot a spaceship where it goes like this and then floats up and down it would have been cool to shoot like alien on the ground and then like soldiers are trying to help it.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's like this is like it became in the end like fucking TikTok feed of just like
[SPEAKER_00]: the things he is a filmmaker wanted to make depict of aliens and cool.
[SPEAKER_00]: Cool.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm glad you had fun and it's like him being an old man.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's like, okay, Indiana Jones dial destiny, which I actually liked.
[SPEAKER_01]: There is interesting stuff there about like, yeah, like in old man sort of reckoning with like, what's what's left?
[SPEAKER_01]: What can he still do?
[SPEAKER_01]: That is something that I do feel very much came from him, his own feelings, but it worked because that is an experience that he then could apply to Indiana Jones on a link.
[SPEAKER_01]: He, yeah, Steven Spielberg does know what it's like to be an old man who's done a bunch of cool shit and it's like now what.
[SPEAKER_01]: But no.
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, it is also funny how mean this episode is after our human episode where we were very We're the colon open hearted.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think that just proves that we can do that, but this wasn't good.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like what would people?
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm dying to know what would people be saying about this movie if it was made by a man named David Jones.
[SPEAKER_00]: You know what I mean?
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, like I don't think anyone would be giving this the time of day that they're giving it totally I think that this just is this is the movie that makes us evil and that's okay
[SPEAKER_01]: What was like oh, yeah, also everything about this movie does not feel like a 2026 movie down to the name It feels like a movie from 2003 that was like big blockbuster I've heard of but have never watched because I know it's like my type of movie, you know
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: But then it's almost so strange to see it with, I don't know, it shouldn't have the crispness of 2026 cameras or something like it's like, yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, that's really funny.
[SPEAKER_00]: I do also want to say, like, do you know, did you were you following any of the like marketing rollout leading up to this
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, I know that some people thought, and I'm sure this was planted by the PR firm, but there were rumors that this movie was too preface for the government actually disclosing aliens stuff.
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, that's funny.
[SPEAKER_00]: I didn't even see that.
[SPEAKER_01]: But I'm planning to do that already and no one cared.
[SPEAKER_00]: They, I mean, I think they did drop a third disclosure of this.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's just that the disclosures are never anything.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's like, oh, there was a report of this, but it was mostly weather balloons.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like every time.
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: There was a report of this, but it was military stuff that doesn't, it's not transponded.
[SPEAKER_00]: So like, people who track like airplanes never know when it's a military one anyway.
[SPEAKER_00]: But, um,
[SPEAKER_00]: the role out of like the marketing role out of this movie and like the launch stuff like especially around South by Southwest or like when Spielberg went and like did like interviews about it it was it was all like Spielberg legacy stuff I think this is why this movie feels
[SPEAKER_00]: really frustrating because I haven't had a strong reaction to any Spielberg releases I didn't like before.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's just that, yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: In the role out of this, they were the studio was a voking.
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, his legacy and this is a we are so back.
[SPEAKER_00]: He is so back.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like the history of Spielberg and isn't
[SPEAKER_00]: they didn't really do early screenings for press like and the review embargo.
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't think went up until like right before it came out.
[SPEAKER_00]: So it's never yes.
[SPEAKER_00]: That is never good.
[SPEAKER_00]: So it's like, I don't know what the studio thought of this, but I think
[SPEAKER_00]: Seems like someone maybe had an inkling that like it was going to be polarizing at the very least and I don't know I've been thinking a lot about like With Spielberg, you know, I've said it I've said it before I'll say it again I'm not really in the bag for Spielberg I don't like love his movies automatically or they're not
[SPEAKER_00]: They're not my relationship to Spielberg is often like my relationship to the NFL or something where it's like
[SPEAKER_00]: Man, people seem really excited, and are having a lot of fun, and I don't get it.
[SPEAKER_00]: I can count on one hand.
[SPEAKER_00]: I like Jurassic Park.
[SPEAKER_00]: I like Catch Me If You Can.
[SPEAKER_00]: I saw Jaws, and it's fine.
[SPEAKER_00]: But I didn't see it in a time where it would have been meaningful to me.
[SPEAKER_00]: Or it wasn't presented in a way, or is meaningful to me.
[SPEAKER_00]: I just, I don't know, he makes stuff that's so foundational for like a certain group of people and if you're not in that group and you maybe have like a question about if this was good or not, it'd feel like you're not allowed to ask.
[SPEAKER_01]: And this one is so polarizing, where people are like loving it or hating it and they're being like, yeah, hated it, it's because your cynical, um,
[SPEAKER_01]: But I think also people ahead of this movie were like, it's a Spielberg alien movie, like what could go wrong.
[SPEAKER_01]: This man, like he fucking loves aliens.
[SPEAKER_01]: Honestly, probably the reason the Eve Hucen character and he probably thought it was more relatable that she immediately is like, oh no, because what about God?
[SPEAKER_01]: Because people are going to immediately think of them as divine beings.
[SPEAKER_01]: And it's like, it's because Spielberg thinks of them as divine beings.
[SPEAKER_01]: He's obsessed with aliens.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: He, like, um, so Indiana Jones kingdom of the Crystal School.
[SPEAKER_01]: Those, you know, favorite movie.
[SPEAKER_01]: My favorite movie.
[SPEAKER_01]: I did see it like seven times in theaters when I was in middle school because I'd never seen an Indiana Jones movie before.
[SPEAKER_01]: And then we went on like a seventh grade field trip to see kingdom of the Crystal School.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I was like,
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm obsessed with this, oh my god.
[SPEAKER_01]: And so then because it was in theaters, I saw like seven more times in theaters.
[SPEAKER_01]: And then of course I watched the other Indian in terms of these.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I, of course at the time, did not know that everyone hated it and thought it was total dog shit.
[SPEAKER_01]: And so because that was my first exposure to Indiana Jones and like any Indiana Jones is like good, you know, I have a real soft spot for Kingdom of the Crystal School.
[SPEAKER_01]: those aliens are like their whole thing is like they have all the knowledge in the universe so they're also like you know it's like oh my god these aliens are so good he's like all these aliens are so good
[SPEAKER_01]: and then it's like they're so nice and they know everything they're good and then Caitlin, you know, she wants all the she wants it but it's too much so she explodes because she's not
[SPEAKER_00]: You've got to be one of the only people who can recount on call.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think the key talent of the entire thing B.I.B.
[SPEAKER_00]: it, like, truly.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like, I can vaguely picture the aliens and I can kind of picture Shialabuff.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it's kind of all that stuck with me about that movie.
[SPEAKER_01]: God, his name is fucking what's his name?
[SPEAKER_01]: It's like dog or something.
[SPEAKER_01]: His name's like dog in it.
[SPEAKER_01]: something like that.
[SPEAKER_01]: Uh, my name is Matt.
[SPEAKER_01]: Um, oh, great.
[SPEAKER_01]: Maybe that could be wrong as well.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's a dog.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's a word for dog.
[SPEAKER_01]: But yeah, it's like, he loves aliens so much.
[SPEAKER_01]: So it's like, I think that he may be forgets he needs to explain more about the aliens.
[SPEAKER_01]: because he's thinking about aliens so much and he has such a clear vision of what aliens are in his brain that he's forgetting.
[SPEAKER_01]: that not everyone immediately is like, oh yeah, these aliens are this and that and this and that and that because he could probably has like 47 pages on every detail about these aliens just in his mind from just thinking about it.
[SPEAKER_01]: And he forgot to tell us the viewer.
[SPEAKER_00]: Definitely, I also, you know, that made me think that like,
[SPEAKER_00]: He's, yeah, I'm so sorry, boomers, but like, I'm gonna hit you one more time, okay?
[SPEAKER_00]: Just brace yourself.
[SPEAKER_00]: I know you guys don't like it.
[SPEAKER_00]: Um, it's so boomer of him To be so desperate for an authority figure that he wants aliens to be daddy that knows everything
[SPEAKER_00]: that that's every time you make aliens, it's like, and they are, they know everything in the universe.
[SPEAKER_01]: And they're, and here to help.
[SPEAKER_01]: And they are going to take over, and it's all gonna be good.
[SPEAKER_00]: And it's not like nobody is coming to help.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, totally.
[SPEAKER_00]: Get over it.
[SPEAKER_00]: We can't do this anymore.
[SPEAKER_01]: No, you can't like you see like someone's coming The aliens come then we let them just take over and take control and then no more war and it's all good and it's that simple You guys it's that simple.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's just so it's like because it is it is of
[SPEAKER_00]: it's an understanding of reality that is like from a different time.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think that's why I think that's why I think about 9-11 and when I think about it because it's like anyone who was like around my age like it's like a core trauma I think of of millennials older millennials that like,
[SPEAKER_00]: we were raised by people who believed in that type of world and were told that that's what the world is like and then graduated into the loss of innocence and the like extremely painful 20 year reveal that that is not what the world is like and it has never been like and it's like, so it's like, yeah, I think I will just always have trouble with like boomer filmmakers who have no
[SPEAKER_00]: There are no roadblocks for him.
[SPEAKER_00]: There's no limitations.
[SPEAKER_00]: Limitations make better art.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, you know what I mean?
[SPEAKER_00]: Like, if there were any limitations on him, he would have problem solved some of these fucking issues.
[SPEAKER_00]: True.
[SPEAKER_00]: But everyone was like, green light, go for it, man.
[SPEAKER_00]: You're, you know, no one can tell you what to do.
[SPEAKER_00]: You're the guy.
[SPEAKER_01]: I also think it's interesting how much this doesn't wreck in with.
[SPEAKER_01]: And the fact that like, I mean, I say this as if it's not good.
[SPEAKER_01]: The Hunger Games is good.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, probably do sunrise on the reefing later this year.
[SPEAKER_01]: But the fact that like the Hunger Games deals with the idea so much better than like this movie of the concept of anybody seeking power is somebody to be feared and stopped.
[SPEAKER_01]: even if they are claiming to be benevolent and they're coming to fix everything.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like anybody who is looking to have power is bad, and that must be stopped.
[SPEAKER_01]: The fact that this doesn't address that at all, like...
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like, why do the aliens want to fix everything on earth?
[SPEAKER_01]: Like, how I don't know?
[SPEAKER_01]: Maybe it is for good reasons, but do we know that?
[SPEAKER_01]: Like, also why do you think the alien in the end was big?
[SPEAKER_01]: And all the other ones were so little.
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh my god, that bugged me so much.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like, what?
[SPEAKER_00]: How come the size juxtaposition is rising in this game?
[SPEAKER_01]: Nobody thought it was clear that the other ones were so little we saw them walking along with people We saw them next to a bunch of people and they were so little and then the one at the end is so big It's like were they babies were they torturing the babies?
[SPEAKER_01]: Is that what was happening?
[SPEAKER_01]: And also if they were babies?
[SPEAKER_01]: No wonder they kept crashing Why are the babies crying?
[SPEAKER_01]: Why are the big guys driving the ships?
[SPEAKER_01]: It's a system or they dumb are the aliens stupid.
[SPEAKER_00]: I do also, it's like, it's also kind of a Okay, brace yourself boomers.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's a boomer thing that like there's an assumed altruism on both sides They assume that the aliens are helpful and good.
[SPEAKER_00]: They assume that Palantir or West Tech whatever was called in this
[SPEAKER_00]: is only doing this because they think it's best for humanity.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like that's not why any of these companies are doing this and so it's like the assumption that that's altruistic and that's altruistic and that it's just a misunderstanding of how it should work.
[SPEAKER_00]: And if they just listen it's good.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's like
[SPEAKER_00]: Sorry, I'm sorry, this is the most polyanashit on earth.
[SPEAKER_00]: I kind of wanted like wrap it up because I feel evil being mean for a full hour about this This movie made me catastrophically depressed like yeah bad depressed and then like the
[SPEAKER_01]: So the video, I mean, it is funny that Nixon is in this movie, that is a funny weird thing.
[SPEAKER_01]: But they are doing the things to the aliens that they are doing to ET and ET.
[SPEAKER_01]: If you had asked E.T.
[SPEAKER_01]: Steven Spielberg, do you think if you showed everyone a video of E.T.
[SPEAKER_01]: getting tortured, like do you think everyone would be upset?
[SPEAKER_01]: I think that either he would have said just because that was like a much younger, less like day-of-five Steven Spielberg.
[SPEAKER_01]: He would have either said no because most people would be like, oh, what is that thing?
[SPEAKER_01]: Like yeah, what is it?
[SPEAKER_01]: Figure out what it is.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like we don't have any feelings for that alien.
[SPEAKER_01]: I feel like the movie is maybe more realistic about that.
[SPEAKER_01]: Or he would have said, yes, but that would be at least without the evidence at that point of how many atrocities were seeing daily and no one is reacting.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, you're so right about that.
[SPEAKER_01]: And then I think there was a lot of people, I think something that to me was a clear misinterpretation by a lot of people is a lot of people seem to think that when she says, listen in the end, and then it cuts off, the alien was saying that everyone needed to hear was like, listen, like listen to each other, but like, it was clearly her thing like, listen, and then going to say the thing, right, that would like change everything.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, but it was supposed to be poignant that it cuts off there, but even then I'm like, okay, I just again do we what do we know about these aliens that like everyone should just be blindly following them.
[SPEAKER_01]: Hey, I'm open to it, but like I would like to know a little bit about our new supreme overlord empathy aliens first, you know?
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, yeah, I mean, again, it's just like so absurd that like the dream that this movie is presenting that we just need to find like a new better authority figure and not just like And it's like I don't know if we Is the idea that their very presence is going to imbu every human being with empathy?
[SPEAKER_01]: Is that what was supposed to be happening?
[SPEAKER_00]: He simply did not think this far.
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't think, I really don't, I think that he's like, it's just like, we just need to listen to each other and I wish I met an alien.
[SPEAKER_00]: Those are the two thoughts.
[SPEAKER_01]: He was an alien.
[SPEAKER_01]: I like, look, I do hope that for him.
[SPEAKER_01]: I want him to.
[SPEAKER_00]: I do too.
[SPEAKER_00]: I also want to say, he seems like the nicest man on earth and I feel bad.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like, I get that he's, I get that he's like, well, I did, you know, I didn't know about the,
[SPEAKER_00]: is real opinions, but the every interview with him, he's like so supportive of other filmmakers, so like warm and kind to people, and I do think he's helped a lot of people, and I think he's like important to so many people, and I like
[SPEAKER_00]: just want to hold that in my hand before we go.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I think that the Peliana attitude is real and true.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I just think it's hision.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I just don't, I think that that means maybe he's not equipped to be speaking on our current world.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and like he's allowed to, and he did, and I don't like it.
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't like it.
[SPEAKER_01]: How are the CGI animals that bad?
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh my god, they look like shit.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like that was crazy.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like how, in this big budget of a movie, how were they that bad?
[SPEAKER_00]: I figured that had to be a choice, but I don't know what the choice is.
[SPEAKER_01]: It was gonna really destroy the strike day.
[SPEAKER_00]: Is the choice like that this is a child's memory and that's why they look like that or like that this is the an alien projection.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, that's good, but it seemed to be like
[SPEAKER_01]: I thought that they were saying that the aliens were able to shape shift into these animals, which then I was confused because I'm like, okay, so there are some just like loose aliens.
[SPEAKER_01]: Why aren't they helping them more?
[SPEAKER_01]: Or like if they're so powerful, why aren't they just like doing what they want to do?
[SPEAKER_01]: Why do they need Emily Blunt to get on Kansas City Missouri News and I guess they needed
[SPEAKER_00]: Mm-hmm for the math language.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and also no one likes to hear that.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, I guess what, listen, you need to hear it.
[SPEAKER_01]: Uh-oh, um, but nothing made sense and not in a way where we're like looking for plot holes or whatever.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's just like the whole movie didn't make sense.
[SPEAKER_00]: But those are there, if you want to look for them, those are there.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's like the entire movie was plot holes, which again, I could forgive.
[SPEAKER_01]: If I was entertained, I was bored out of my fucking mind.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like, yeah, if I cared better, any of these people, I was, it'd been fine with the plows, but I didn't care about anyone.
[SPEAKER_01]: I kind of liked and kind of is like doing a lot of heavy lifting there.
[SPEAKER_01]: Was like once they got to the new station.
[SPEAKER_01]: in the end.
[SPEAKER_01]: But even that is a heavy, heavy kinda like, that's like, and so then I didn't love it, but like that was the only part where I was like kind of entertained.
[SPEAKER_00]: They're like blowing up the power supply for the entire street.
[SPEAKER_00]: Is this like what?
[SPEAKER_01]: And that's like, oh my god, that would be a little bit of the power station.
[SPEAKER_01]: Luckily, this glow stick can do exactly what's needed here.
[SPEAKER_01]: Look, yes, the glow stick is a perfect for this.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think we should wrap it up and say one positive thing about the movie.
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_00]: Um, we do the, we do the SpongeBob like, like, two minutes later.
[SPEAKER_01]: Look, I guess the things I already said, which is like, I did think I'm only blunt.
[SPEAKER_01]: Was good in it.
[SPEAKER_01]: I thought her and Josh O'Connor did have chemistry, and I did like the, the car in the farmhouse and the train scenes.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and I liked Coleman Domingo on the phone.
[SPEAKER_00]: He would like Coleman to me go in general.
[SPEAKER_01]: Sure, I mean, he's just like a great presence, but he didn't have that character was also pretty.
[SPEAKER_00]: Nothing, um, that character pretty clearly an author insert, I think.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, yes, somebody somebody put aside by side and they're like, he dressed you like exactly like how he dresses.
[SPEAKER_00]: And if you're going to cast an author insert,
[SPEAKER_00]: I think Coleman Domingo is a creature.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh yeah, you might as well cast like a really likable guy that everyone's just watching and be like, I like that guy.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'd love to be depicted by Coleman Domingo.
[SPEAKER_00]: He's so charming.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think the house, there were a couple times when they were building the house.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I think it was because of the yellow walls.
[SPEAKER_01]: I was like, back rooms asked how I know.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Um, okay, I think we should, I think, I think we've, yeah, I think we've done enough of a drive by others.
[SPEAKER_01]: Do you think people are going to get mad at us?
[SPEAKER_00]: No, I think that, well, yes, I mean, get listen, if talking about humanity on the internet has taught me anything this week, it's that people aren't mad.
[SPEAKER_00]: Um, but no, I mean, I trust our listeners too.
[SPEAKER_00]: be cool and interested in opinions in a media direction.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I literally can't think of a single movie that has annoyed me for days after this movie.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like I was like taking a shower this morning and just like working myself up thinking of it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I just, I hope that this is not like his last movie, like that he goes out on.
[SPEAKER_00]: No, I hope not.
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, it seems like he's in great health.
[SPEAKER_01]: So I know.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think I'll make another.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I just...
[SPEAKER_00]: He should make other people scripts.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, that's the thing.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's like, every time he makes like a Tony Kushner script, it's great.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, this was, this was another guy's script, but it was his story, and he did, oh yeah, was he to drafts.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: No, it was his story.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like maybe he did 42 drafts.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's a flawed promise.
[SPEAKER_01]: Listen.
[SPEAKER_00]: Next week is gonna be chaos.
[SPEAKER_00]: We're just covering the last six months of movies that we haven't touched on here.
[SPEAKER_00]: So, yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: Because buckle up, baby.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh wait, real quick.
[SPEAKER_01]: I wanted to ask, what do you think of aliens?
[SPEAKER_01]: Like, I are out.
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, um, I, you know, to be honest, I don't think about them kind of at all.
[SPEAKER_00]: Um, I, I'm sure they exist and I'm sure we've had some kind of, someone somewhere has had some kind of contact with them.
[SPEAKER_00]: Um, but,
[SPEAKER_00]: who knows.
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, I just like, it's something, my mom, who is, I'm confident, is listening to this right now.
[SPEAKER_00]: Sorry, I talked about boomers so much.
[SPEAKER_00]: Um, uh, is really into aliens.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I think she was, she's been really asking me, like, are we going to cover this movie really looking forward to it?
[SPEAKER_00]: So I was like, raised in a very pro alien lifestyle.
[SPEAKER_00]: Um, but I just really don't think about a metal.
[SPEAKER_00]: Do you think about the metal?
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, I don't think about them a lot, but it's like, yeah, of course, I think that there are aliens out there.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think there's many, many, I think there's probably an infinite amount of types of aliens out there, but I think they're too far for us to have any sort of contact.
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't even think they know about us necessarily, and I think the magical Mary.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I think Nike was so far.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, and like honestly like that, I think there's no possible way that they look like any sort of Form or being that we could even comprehend like even when someone gives them like five legs.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm like, okay But like why do you even think they have like a head and eyes?
[SPEAKER_01]: So it's funny when they have two arms, two legs, a torso, and it's like, they just look like a human who looks kind of funky.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm like, how probably, maybe out there way, way, way, way fucking far, there happens to be another species that evolved just coincidentally in the same way we did, and they look like the same general sort of form.
[SPEAKER_01]: But I think most aliens are probably like,
[SPEAKER_01]: missed or something.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like it's like some sort of form that we can't even like imagine.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, or like a bacteria or some kind of a meba, some kind of cell who knows.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and it's like maybe some of them are, I'm sure some of them are more advanced, but in what way is it with like computer technology?
[SPEAKER_01]: Like all of our technology is maybe not, maybe is something totally different.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I mean, yeah, I think that's the thing is that like what I feel about aliens is that I'm just sort of open to all Yeah, I'm like possibilities.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm 100% certain they're out there, but I'm also 100% certain that it's like we can't there's no way we could even guess anything about them
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, like their ships wouldn't be like a metal ship like that is one thing I like about a rival is the aliens in a rival and their ship are just these like incomprehensible you know with they're like these like and they're like 5D language and like all that stuff is like you know closer to what I think could
[SPEAKER_00]: could be.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think a rival is a better version of this movie in a little bit.
[SPEAKER_01]: A rival is such a better alien movie.
[SPEAKER_00]: Honestly, crystal school is a better alien movie.
[SPEAKER_01]: yeah every doctor who episode is a better alien movie so okay hope you guys liked that yes are sorry this movie made us evil and we were just really negative for one hour nine minutes but you know we're not always like this uh well we'll see you next week bye bye
[SPEAKER_01]: That was our episode on Disclosure Day, you know, apologies for disclosing our just absolute vitriol all over you for the past hour.
[SPEAKER_01]: But thank you so much for listening.
[SPEAKER_01]: Um, and...
[SPEAKER_01]: hate to Steven Spielberg?
[SPEAKER_01]: I like the Fablemins.
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