WEBVTT 00:00.709 --> 00:06.731 [SPEAKER_03]: Hi, I'm Professor Beck's Drop, and I'm Professor Erick Bronson, and this is Prison Breakdown. 00:07.491 --> 00:08.971 [SPEAKER_06]: Two, three, break! 00:34.405 --> 00:35.165 [SPEAKER_01]: That's on this show. 00:35.305 --> 00:36.666 [SPEAKER_05]: Ooh, great, great! 00:38.786 --> 00:39.866 [SPEAKER_05]: I'm not leaving this set. 00:39.927 --> 00:42.887 [SPEAKER_05]: I'll get out of my way. 00:43.387 --> 00:45.928 [SPEAKER_05]: The right way, ooh, great, great! 00:47.329 --> 00:50.729 [SPEAKER_03]: Oh, I do, it's Professor Flush, come in at you. 00:51.790 --> 00:56.411 [SPEAKER_04]: And if you didn't catch that one, listen to our last episode. 00:56.431 --> 00:58.512 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, let's get back and listen to the episode. 00:58.532 --> 00:59.732 [SPEAKER_03]: Find out what the hell's going on. 01:00.585 --> 01:04.869 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, get in tune with yourself, with your mind and body. 01:05.909 --> 01:06.150 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah. 01:06.210 --> 01:06.710 [SPEAKER_03]: Exactly. 01:07.331 --> 01:08.211 [SPEAKER_03]: Good straight with us. 01:08.231 --> 01:08.512 [SPEAKER_03]: Come on. 01:09.232 --> 01:10.373 [SPEAKER_04]: Let me ask my co-host here. 01:11.474 --> 01:11.914 [SPEAKER_04]: You too. 01:12.355 --> 01:13.856 [SPEAKER_04]: What nick name is did you grow up with? 01:15.697 --> 01:17.959 [SPEAKER_03]: Uh, beef. 01:19.160 --> 01:19.661 [SPEAKER_02]: Beef. 01:20.581 --> 01:21.662 [SPEAKER_02]: Fatty fatty. 01:23.964 --> 01:25.225 [SPEAKER_04]: That's a really good nickname. 01:25.265 --> 01:26.146 [SPEAKER_04]: I like that one for you. 01:26.887 --> 01:29.629 [SPEAKER_03]: I'm sure plenty called me that too, but beef. 01:32.313 --> 01:42.368 [SPEAKER_04]: not not professor flush, it's just flush now and it took a long time and a career worth of effort to get to professor flush you see. 01:43.109 --> 01:47.015 [SPEAKER_03]: Well I think you need to you know. 01:49.172 --> 01:50.975 [SPEAKER_03]: use that for one of your publications. 01:52.898 --> 01:58.828 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, no, I mean, don't put, I mean, you're tenured, you're promoted. 01:58.868 --> 02:02.193 [SPEAKER_03]: What the hell do you need backstrow to get any more famous for? 02:02.213 --> 02:03.375 [SPEAKER_03]: I mean, you're upcoming, 02:04.713 --> 02:09.038 [SPEAKER_03]: Um, you know, publications and you are always working on some kind of research. 02:09.118 --> 02:13.423 [SPEAKER_03]: So, you know, it's publishing madman here at this teaching university. 02:13.463 --> 02:15.045 [SPEAKER_03]: It's really impressive. 02:15.105 --> 02:18.308 [SPEAKER_03]: And so why not just throw Professor Flush on one of those? 02:19.189 --> 02:21.672 [SPEAKER_04]: Why not just just show the other professors. 02:21.712 --> 02:22.894 [SPEAKER_04]: I'm stunted on him showing. 02:22.914 --> 02:25.276 [SPEAKER_04]: I'm like, hey, I can be a little fun sometimes, you guys. 02:26.338 --> 02:28.682 [SPEAKER_02]: Are you even allowed to publish under a nickname? 02:28.702 --> 02:36.136 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, there's an interesting case of 02:38.300 --> 03:07.889 [SPEAKER_04]: In statistics, there's such a thing called the the students T when you're figuring out T values and there was a guy who figured out like this major statistical chart and he worked for the Guinness brewing company and Guinness was like now we don't allow people to publish anything with our name attached so he he published under the pseudonym of a dot student so it's called the students he distribution I think it's a fun fact it is it's a fun story 03:09.209 --> 03:16.177 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, so he, he sets a precedent for, but I don't think I've ever seen anybody else do it. 03:16.197 --> 03:16.878 [SPEAKER_04]: Have you work? 03:17.378 --> 03:18.199 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah. 03:18.880 --> 03:19.701 [SPEAKER_03]: Oh, boy, what was that? 03:19.721 --> 03:22.504 [SPEAKER_03]: There was an anthropologist's love to do this. 03:24.746 --> 03:28.771 [SPEAKER_03]: The, the body rituals among the Nasserima. 03:31.096 --> 03:32.457 [SPEAKER_03]: I don't know if you ever saw that one. 03:33.138 --> 03:33.838 [SPEAKER_03]: And they're all old. 03:34.859 --> 03:42.124 [SPEAKER_03]: Oh, it's a great, it's a short article and all that it is, it's a anthropological view of how Americans behave. 03:43.154 --> 03:50.757 [SPEAKER_03]: and everything that's, you know, talk about when somebody's injured or hurt, they take them to a litip so, which is just hops, hospital-spelt backwards. 03:51.678 --> 03:56.520 [SPEAKER_03]: And that's where I know is, you know, American spelled backwards. 03:56.540 --> 04:06.924 [SPEAKER_03]: So, you know, just a lot of little things that we, that we think of as normal, they take an anthropological view of here's how I've read this before. 04:06.944 --> 04:07.304 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah. 04:07.324 --> 04:07.424 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah. 04:07.444 --> 04:07.624 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah. 04:07.644 --> 04:07.744 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah. 04:07.764 --> 04:07.964 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah. 04:07.984 --> 04:08.444 [SPEAKER_02]: This was good. 04:08.464 --> 04:09.765 [SPEAKER_02]: I actually read this in high school. 04:09.965 --> 04:10.865 [SPEAKER_02]: And it was, yeah. 04:13.106 --> 04:14.907 [SPEAKER_04]: Wait, how is this mind blowing? 04:14.927 --> 04:18.609 [SPEAKER_04]: When somebody's hurt, you take them to the word hospital's field backwards. 04:18.629 --> 04:19.950 [SPEAKER_04]: What's mind blowing about that? 04:20.290 --> 04:30.275 [SPEAKER_02]: It takes like an anthropological approach to America and makes you realize that the things we do and the social conventions that we have don't really make a whole lot of sense in some cases. 04:32.417 --> 04:38.160 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, that's, and the things that we take is normal. 04:39.040 --> 05:02.681 [SPEAKER_03]: somebody doing a field study with the culture that they would approach that they might that the community that they're studying and that they're doing a field work on might look and wow that is that's some really unique stuff you know they talk about using hog hair to clean their teeth and then talk about brushing their teeth you know they have this mouth ritual every morning and every night that they 05:03.548 --> 05:05.569 [SPEAKER_03]: that they scrub their teeth with hog hair. 05:07.069 --> 05:18.813 [SPEAKER_03]: You know, things like that for as an outsider, you would look at as being very unique and strange whereas for us, of course, we're gonna do this and it's so normal and accepted. 05:18.833 --> 05:23.695 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, it's a fun piece to give the students when they're, 05:24.702 --> 05:28.023 [SPEAKER_03]: either an anthropology or sociology or psychology. 05:28.043 --> 05:36.445 [SPEAKER_03]: And those, those intro level ones to know that this, hey, this is what we're trying to do is we're trying to approach new cultures and understand them in a better way. 05:38.345 --> 05:38.726 [SPEAKER_04]: Interesting. 05:38.746 --> 05:44.707 [SPEAKER_04]: So it breaks down our regular, our rituals for like, grooming and just daily anything. 05:44.727 --> 05:44.847 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah. 05:45.347 --> 05:45.807 [SPEAKER_04]: And yeah. 05:46.027 --> 05:48.408 [SPEAKER_04]: Down to be like, hey, look, this is weirder than you think. 05:49.268 --> 05:49.448 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah. 05:50.168 --> 05:51.489 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, all right, it shines a light. 05:51.669 --> 05:52.769 [SPEAKER_03]: I'm into this stuff. 05:52.789 --> 05:53.809 [SPEAKER_04]: That's cool. 05:53.909 --> 05:55.210 [SPEAKER_04]: I'll check this out my friends. 05:55.890 --> 06:02.532 [SPEAKER_03]: And I think we should talk about an exciting body ritual that we are participating in, that we did. 06:03.492 --> 06:05.813 [SPEAKER_03]: All three of us, a body ritual. 06:05.933 --> 06:08.154 [SPEAKER_03]: What's this body ritual of eating lunch? 06:08.954 --> 06:09.495 [SPEAKER_04]: I'm eating lunch. 06:09.615 --> 06:11.456 [SPEAKER_04]: I thought it was going to be the sacrificial one. 06:12.157 --> 06:12.817 [SPEAKER_04]: Oh, no, no, no. 06:12.918 --> 06:19.984 [SPEAKER_03]: The other thing we're thinking about this incredible experience that we had that we get to share with our with our listeners. 06:20.945 --> 06:24.688 [SPEAKER_03]: Um, when we all went to lunch together, this is good stuff. 06:25.729 --> 06:27.090 [SPEAKER_03]: We went to lunch together. 06:27.130 --> 06:30.513 [SPEAKER_02]: We went to lunch together in prison in prison. 06:31.214 --> 06:32.495 [SPEAKER_03]: We ate lunch in prison together. 06:33.656 --> 06:43.643 [SPEAKER_03]: It was the most rich down thing you can do right exactly and if you're in the New England area you too can go to lunch at prison. 06:45.365 --> 06:48.347 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, and that's a tease right there. 06:48.367 --> 07:03.138 [SPEAKER_04]: You're gonna find out later do you recommend it maybe maybe not put hang on listen and with that tease I'm gonna say before we get into the main event I want to plug a place that I like 07:04.184 --> 07:06.886 [SPEAKER_04]: It's a place called Roger Williams University School of Justice Studies. 07:08.147 --> 07:11.349 [SPEAKER_02]: We'd love Roger Williams University School of Justice Studies around here. 07:11.369 --> 07:13.151 [SPEAKER_04]: Hell yeah, we do. 07:13.931 --> 07:14.792 [SPEAKER_04]: What can you tell me about him? 07:15.572 --> 07:32.217 [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, I can tell you about all of their lovely and wonderful and resplendant degree certificate and graduate studies programs, things such as, they got, they got international relations, you know that? 07:32.978 --> 07:38.559 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, yeah, yeah, that sounds cool, that's crazy, that's crazy, we got anthropology, 07:44.730 --> 07:45.530 [SPEAKER_02]: Anthropology. 07:45.751 --> 07:46.211 [SPEAKER_02]: Wild. 07:46.651 --> 07:47.551 [SPEAKER_02]: Well, who would have thought? 07:47.992 --> 07:48.452 [SPEAKER_02]: No, me. 07:48.632 --> 07:49.512 [SPEAKER_02]: Do you know what else they got? 07:49.532 --> 07:50.873 [SPEAKER_02]: They got sociology. 07:51.253 --> 07:52.054 [SPEAKER_02]: Can you believe that? 07:52.574 --> 07:53.575 [SPEAKER_02]: Can you believe that? 07:53.595 --> 07:54.495 [SPEAKER_04]: Can you believe that? 07:54.515 --> 07:54.655 [SPEAKER_04]: Pretty. 07:54.675 --> 07:55.455 [SPEAKER_04]: I'm going to think of next. 07:56.016 --> 07:58.597 [SPEAKER_02]: I think they're going to think of something like forensic science. 07:59.658 --> 07:59.898 [SPEAKER_04]: No. 07:59.918 --> 08:00.898 [SPEAKER_04]: Get out of here, right? 08:00.958 --> 08:01.519 [SPEAKER_04]: Get out of here. 08:01.559 --> 08:01.979 [SPEAKER_04]: Get out of here. 08:01.999 --> 08:02.479 [SPEAKER_02]: Get out of here. 08:02.599 --> 08:03.239 [SPEAKER_04]: Get out of here. 08:03.299 --> 08:03.740 [SPEAKER_04]: Get out of here. 08:03.760 --> 08:04.940 [SPEAKER_04]: Get out of here. 08:05.641 --> 08:06.021 [SPEAKER_02]: Get out of here. 08:06.041 --> 08:07.061 [SPEAKER_02]: Get out. 08:07.101 --> 08:07.542 [SPEAKER_02]: Get out of here. 08:10.767 --> 08:16.131 [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, that is the type of science, that is, yeah, which is just unconscionable. 08:18.453 --> 08:20.834 [SPEAKER_02]: I don't know, we're going first. 08:20.874 --> 08:22.055 [SPEAKER_02]: I was trying to talk about it. 08:22.075 --> 08:26.398 [SPEAKER_02]: I was trying to go for like, uh, I don't know, surprise for everything. 08:26.418 --> 08:31.042 [SPEAKER_04]: I'm like, like, you wouldn't believe the human rights abuses. 08:31.302 --> 08:35.065 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, exactly exactly. 08:35.505 --> 08:37.426 [SPEAKER_03]: But we offer a degree in something. 08:40.400 --> 08:45.924 [SPEAKER_02]: They got public administration, which is just absurd to me. 08:47.105 --> 08:48.686 [SPEAKER_04]: That's better, we're back on our track. 08:50.327 --> 08:52.849 [SPEAKER_02]: Also have legal studies. 08:53.029 --> 08:53.690 [SPEAKER_03]: Ridiculous. 08:53.710 --> 08:55.111 [SPEAKER_03]: That's preposterous. 08:55.151 --> 08:56.712 [SPEAKER_02]: There you go, preposterous. 08:56.732 --> 08:58.293 [SPEAKER_03]: It's never guessed it. 09:00.335 --> 09:04.157 [SPEAKER_02]: And of course, we got the big boys and criminal justice. 09:05.038 --> 09:20.176 [SPEAKER_02]: you know I believe that I believe that I put every ounce of my belief into that yes yes and his a keeper that's a good one the one and only thing that I believe it yeah they're certificate offering 09:38.345 --> 09:39.846 [SPEAKER_03]: leadership. 09:40.246 --> 09:44.770 [SPEAKER_03]: I have to start going into the bird there. 09:45.310 --> 09:46.051 [SPEAKER_03]: The bird is the word. 09:46.071 --> 09:49.353 [SPEAKER_03]: I just put it together that bird is the word and the 09:59.658 --> 10:00.058 [SPEAKER_04]: All right. 10:00.799 --> 10:01.499 [SPEAKER_04]: All right. 10:02.039 --> 10:02.280 [SPEAKER_04]: All right. 10:02.320 --> 10:02.560 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah. 10:03.240 --> 10:03.480 [SPEAKER_04]: Wow. 10:04.201 --> 10:04.721 [SPEAKER_04]: See you guys. 10:05.461 --> 10:09.163 [SPEAKER_04]: If I'd fact for a few at home, first of all, I'd say down there. 10:09.884 --> 10:11.224 [SPEAKER_04]: Once you pop the Fondode Stouts on. 10:11.505 --> 10:14.706 [SPEAKER_02]: Thank you, Roger Williams University School of Justice Studies. 10:15.687 --> 10:17.128 [SPEAKER_04]: Papu, ma'am, ma'am, baby. 10:17.968 --> 10:20.810 [SPEAKER_02]: Papu, ma'am, that's your school song, right? 10:22.931 --> 10:25.412 [SPEAKER_03]: It should be that we have a fight for a mascot. 10:27.487 --> 10:31.028 [SPEAKER_04]: The bird is the word Eric do we have a school song as former dean. 10:31.128 --> 10:43.233 [SPEAKER_03]: I'm sure that you had to like pledge allegiance to the school song But we do have we do have a song I couldn't tell you one lyric of it other than Roger Williams 10:46.099 --> 10:46.880 [SPEAKER_03]: With a question mark. 10:47.560 --> 10:49.401 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I don't think they ever made us. 10:50.222 --> 11:03.009 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I don't think they ever made us sing it I mean, maybe there was something about you know being booted out of a colony from Massachusetts for wanting You know to not have established religion and so you've fled to Rhode Island. 11:04.150 --> 11:10.874 [SPEAKER_03]: I don't know but I we might have had to sing it one time at some event. 11:11.054 --> 11:12.135 [SPEAKER_03]: I I can't remember 11:13.795 --> 11:16.978 [SPEAKER_03]: So, yeah, I couldn't tell you much about it. 11:18.259 --> 11:19.580 [SPEAKER_04]: Do we have a producer's note here? 11:20.681 --> 11:23.143 [SPEAKER_02]: Now, I'm looking at up right now, and I can't find it. 11:23.164 --> 11:23.264 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah. 11:24.325 --> 11:25.946 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah. 11:27.047 --> 11:27.868 [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, there's one. 11:27.948 --> 11:28.989 [SPEAKER_02]: Do we have a fight song? 11:29.629 --> 11:32.872 [SPEAKER_02]: There's one called You Are Powerful, which is apparently. 11:33.513 --> 11:36.976 [SPEAKER_02]: No, no, that's just like an ad from Roger Williams University. 11:38.560 --> 11:40.101 [SPEAKER_03]: Powerful combination. 11:40.881 --> 11:44.183 [SPEAKER_02]: They don't play it at like, uh, I don't know, graduations or anything like that. 11:44.304 --> 11:44.524 [SPEAKER_02]: No. 11:44.544 --> 11:45.905 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah. 11:45.965 --> 11:46.785 [SPEAKER_03]: Pump and serpent. 11:46.825 --> 11:47.485 [SPEAKER_03]: Circumstance. 11:47.866 --> 11:48.226 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah. 11:48.426 --> 11:48.726 [SPEAKER_04]: No. 11:49.146 --> 11:50.707 [SPEAKER_04]: That's, that's the jam that we play. 11:50.767 --> 11:52.869 [SPEAKER_04]: We should, we should move on to the vitamin C song. 11:53.129 --> 11:54.029 [SPEAKER_04]: Realistically. 11:54.170 --> 11:57.892 [SPEAKER_04]: It's like the, the Pump and Circumstance for the, the 21st century. 11:58.572 --> 11:58.932 [SPEAKER_04]: Right. 11:59.032 --> 11:59.333 [SPEAKER_04]: Right. 11:59.753 --> 12:00.193 [SPEAKER_04]: There we go. 12:02.555 --> 12:02.995 [SPEAKER_04]: Uh-huh. 12:03.984 --> 12:04.325 [SPEAKER_04]: All right. 12:04.646 --> 12:07.835 [SPEAKER_04]: Well, we've had enough of the the shit and chat. 12:07.875 --> 12:10.241 [SPEAKER_04]: Let's move on to the main and or event. 12:12.243 --> 12:20.091 [SPEAKER_04]: Today we are talking about the Northeastern Correctional Center and ECC and locally known as the farm. 12:20.972 --> 12:29.961 [SPEAKER_04]: This is classified as a minimum and a pre-release state prison facility for adult males and conquered Massachusetts run the state of Massachusetts. 12:30.802 --> 12:31.242 [SPEAKER_04]: Stop. 12:31.562 --> 12:32.804 [SPEAKER_04]: What's my goodness? 12:33.224 --> 12:34.686 [SPEAKER_03]: How long have you lived out here? 12:36.630 --> 12:49.996 [SPEAKER_04]: How long have you lived here 10 years in doing that yeah, what what town is that in Concord message. 12:50.016 --> 12:52.937 [SPEAKER_03]: I'll say it right come on conquer it. 12:53.037 --> 13:05.402 [SPEAKER_03]: I've been here long like cock it The locals will have no clue where you're talking about Who the hell are these two asshole professors who don't say the name of the town right it's cock it 13:06.449 --> 13:08.069 [SPEAKER_04]: No, I refuse to give in. 13:08.790 --> 13:34.875 [SPEAKER_04]: I find the A, A, H, of everything like, chow da ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha 13:35.365 --> 13:39.988 [SPEAKER_04]: No, you're trying too hard to be folksy, and it comes off is a trait and poorly handled. 13:40.648 --> 13:42.269 [SPEAKER_04]: I don't want to hear anything. 13:42.389 --> 13:47.632 [SPEAKER_02]: Let's be honest, besides maybe the New Jersey accent, the Boston accent is one of the worst accents. 13:50.914 --> 13:55.016 [SPEAKER_02]: Wow, full offense to our Boston listeners, West Coast bias there. 13:55.036 --> 13:56.177 [SPEAKER_03]: We've grown down now. 13:56.397 --> 13:58.038 [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, oh, I'm so sorry. 13:58.058 --> 14:03.181 [SPEAKER_02]: We have flat easy to understand speech over here, our fault. 14:04.769 --> 14:08.813 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, it says it says bland is everything else in the west coast. 14:08.893 --> 14:10.635 [SPEAKER_03]: So you get out of your shut up. 14:10.835 --> 14:16.181 [SPEAKER_02]: We have Los Angeles and Portland strip clubs. 14:16.261 --> 14:19.224 [SPEAKER_02]: You don't have any strip clubs like Portland strip clubs up there. 14:21.299 --> 14:22.540 [SPEAKER_04]: game set match. 14:23.481 --> 14:24.341 [SPEAKER_04]: You're probably right. 14:24.441 --> 14:25.802 [SPEAKER_04]: I wouldn't actually know. 14:26.623 --> 14:29.265 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, I'm not close. 14:29.325 --> 14:30.946 [SPEAKER_04]: Eric, I was in a strip club guy. 14:31.006 --> 14:34.068 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, I was in a strip club guy. 14:34.088 --> 14:36.290 [SPEAKER_03]: The guy who thinks salt is a spice. 14:41.388 --> 14:47.791 [SPEAKER_04]: Okay, so we were talking about something important for me to get to real fight is something more important. 14:48.912 --> 14:53.214 [SPEAKER_04]: I apologize to not apologize to me ever on this podcast. 14:54.494 --> 15:00.177 [SPEAKER_04]: So it's known as the farm, it's the facility of Northeastern Correctional Center is designed as a farm. 15:00.477 --> 15:11.407 [SPEAKER_04]: and it has this infrastructure so they can have worker oversight and the facility favors rehabilitative work for people in minimum security prison populations. 15:12.408 --> 15:21.296 [SPEAKER_04]: The facility itself was built right across the street from the much more infamous MCI Concord, MCI stands for Massachusetts Correctional Institution. 15:21.416 --> 15:25.940 [SPEAKER_04]: So when I'm just moving forward when I say MCI Massachusetts Correctional Institution Concord, 15:27.001 --> 15:31.503 [SPEAKER_04]: which was a notable facility in Massachusetts, but closed in July of 2024. 15:33.544 --> 15:35.325 [SPEAKER_03]: We'll talk about them more in a future episode. 15:35.345 --> 15:37.106 [SPEAKER_03]: That's a tease for you listener. 15:37.966 --> 15:39.147 [SPEAKER_04]: I'm full of teases today. 15:39.167 --> 15:39.607 [SPEAKER_04]: He-he-he. 15:40.508 --> 15:48.852 [SPEAKER_04]: So the Northeastern Correctional Center is built on 300 acres of farmland, and they house roughly 200 adult male prisoners. 15:49.512 --> 16:03.804 [SPEAKER_04]: and they have a capacity for up to around 270 inmates with 208 beds for minimum security and 69 pre-release beds all exclusively intended for criminally sentenced adult males. 16:04.944 --> 16:13.013 [SPEAKER_04]: It's a smaller institution, and it's a huge institution because it's on 400 acres, but it's a small facility, a low population. 16:22.995 --> 16:23.235 [SPEAKER_03]: Right. 16:23.616 --> 16:32.543 [SPEAKER_03]: And that's part of what I was in terms of the number of inmates that are there, the amount of acreage that's around it. 16:33.804 --> 16:46.855 [SPEAKER_03]: And the size of the buildings and the opportunities that they have for them, I think something for individuals who are wondering what we're doing 16:49.442 --> 16:59.769 [SPEAKER_03]: Here's a place that might be living up to its name when it's saying that it's correctional, that's providing opportunity for individual individuals to be corrected. 17:00.369 --> 17:00.629 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah. 17:00.849 --> 17:02.030 [SPEAKER_04]: Completely agree. 17:02.310 --> 17:05.352 [SPEAKER_04]: I've got a whole list of the programs there, I'll get to in just a moment. 17:06.533 --> 17:12.315 [SPEAKER_04]: I dug into, like, with this kind of rehabilitation that they do offer, it how much does it cost. 17:12.475 --> 17:17.256 [SPEAKER_04]: And the most recent numbers I found were for the fiscal year 2023. 17:17.997 --> 17:22.198 [SPEAKER_04]: It cost roughly 81,000 to house each and make there, which is 17:23.038 --> 17:43.873 [SPEAKER_04]: relatively little when it comes to like cost per inmate that that's not even that high but they they offer pretty good programs the men lived together dormitories and they have open movement around the facility in its grounds have like people are not going to be as likely to escape from there because it's even be sentenced there you have to be doing three years or less on your sentence. 17:45.180 --> 17:46.522 [SPEAKER_04]: And there's no high walls. 17:46.542 --> 17:50.486 [SPEAKER_04]: There's no perimeter patrols barbed wire fence holding in the offender population. 17:50.947 --> 17:57.675 [SPEAKER_04]: It was what was your impressions of it when when we got there and arrived on the campus of the prison. 17:59.377 --> 18:01.199 [SPEAKER_02]: So I go ahead, Britt. 18:01.619 --> 18:09.723 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I immediately noticed, like, when we were walking in that, like, there were just, like, prisoners walking to, like, other buildings. 18:09.823 --> 18:13.906 [SPEAKER_02]: Like, the prison population was intermixed with a civilian population. 18:13.966 --> 18:15.346 [SPEAKER_02]: It was just, like, no big deal. 18:17.167 --> 18:19.569 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, and that's such a rarity for any institution. 18:21.455 --> 18:45.889 [SPEAKER_03]: And one of the things that I think for the listeners that haven't been to a minimum or a pre-release type of institution that I think shocks them is that there can be places where that are correctional institutions where we don't have walls or fences or towers with officers that are armed with a rifle 18:49.871 --> 19:05.498 [SPEAKER_03]: Again, thinking relating this back to the goal of what the, what the institution is established for, and that's to help reintroduce these individuals into society so that they can be successful leave. 19:05.838 --> 19:15.702 [SPEAKER_03]: And, you know, when you talk about that dollar amount, it's an investment in society for hoping that whatever their, you know, whatever programs that they might have available to 19:20.163 --> 19:25.818 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, it emphasizes the corrective nature of prisons. 19:29.004 --> 19:29.745 [SPEAKER_04]: rehabilitation. 19:30.566 --> 19:41.395 [SPEAKER_04]: And unsurprisingly, the facility has had no major riots, no major homicides, or in no large-scale disturbances reported by the state since they opened the facility in 1932. 19:42.056 --> 19:50.363 [SPEAKER_04]: The one really notable thing that came out of the Northeastern Correctional Center, and I had to do some digging to find anything on escapes at all. 19:50.823 --> 19:53.386 [SPEAKER_04]: But it seems that Willie Horton was released 19:56.660 --> 20:00.741 [SPEAKER_04]: Facility in 1986 on the weekend for a low program. 20:01.641 --> 20:08.403 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, and Willie Horton who's who's willie Horton? 20:08.943 --> 20:10.183 [SPEAKER_03]: Excuse me. 20:10.604 --> 20:19.566 [SPEAKER_03]: This is someone that's a that's somebody who is used by a lot of politicians the point out that we need to punish people longer and harder 20:20.407 --> 20:26.118 [SPEAKER_03]: Um, because they don't need to be out on parole and they don't need to be furloughed and we don't need to be correcting them. 20:26.138 --> 20:27.380 [SPEAKER_03]: They just need to be punished. 20:27.761 --> 20:28.162 [SPEAKER_03]: Wow. 20:28.282 --> 20:29.584 [SPEAKER_03]: I did not know he was there. 20:30.878 --> 20:43.161 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, yeah, right, like we have a massive player in like inmate history, who who was there at the time, and Willie Horton was a guy who was led out on furlough. 20:44.801 --> 20:49.902 [SPEAKER_04]: In the 1980s, most states had furlough programs in place, and furlough programs were these weekend passes. 20:50.363 --> 20:51.563 [SPEAKER_04]: If you're on your best behavior, 20:52.663 --> 21:02.210 [SPEAKER_04]: you get this weekend pass, you get to go home, you get to go to your family, you get to see your friends, and then you have to report back at the end of the weekend or how many of our days you get off. 21:03.791 --> 21:04.692 [SPEAKER_04]: And Willie Horton, 21:06.330 --> 21:10.291 [SPEAKER_04]: absconded, he left and didn't come back. 21:11.011 --> 21:13.372 [SPEAKER_04]: And he drove down to Maryland. 21:14.492 --> 21:16.993 [SPEAKER_04]: He kidnapped and tied up a couple. 21:17.773 --> 21:23.295 [SPEAKER_04]: He raped the woman twice and he beat a stab and gagged her fiance and stole his car. 21:24.035 --> 21:27.976 [SPEAKER_04]: And he was eventually caught in Maryland sentenced to two life terms, which he has been sent. 21:28.416 --> 21:30.176 [SPEAKER_04]: He's been serving those out in Jessup, Maryland. 21:30.876 --> 21:35.977 [SPEAKER_04]: And the powers that be in Maryland said, no, we're not going to expedite him back to Massachusetts. 21:36.397 --> 21:37.017 [SPEAKER_04]: He stays here. 21:37.077 --> 21:38.297 [SPEAKER_04]: He's one of ours now. 21:39.258 --> 21:40.598 [SPEAKER_04]: I don't know why you would have it made. 21:40.738 --> 21:42.058 [SPEAKER_04]: Pride like that, but whatever. 21:42.718 --> 21:43.538 [SPEAKER_03]: But, right. 21:43.678 --> 21:47.639 [SPEAKER_03]: I think if you can clear a bed, send them somewhere else and save some money. 21:54.009 --> 22:02.031 [SPEAKER_03]: I mean, that was his whole campaign in the way he destroyed Dukakis when they were running. 22:02.071 --> 22:08.213 [SPEAKER_03]: I mean, I remember that very clear, I mean, I was I was still young and I'd seen 80 or teenager. 22:09.033 --> 22:15.255 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I was, you know, I was old enough to know what the hell was going on in politics. 22:15.275 --> 22:21.296 [SPEAKER_03]: But, I mean, Dukakis got destroyed because he was the governor at the time who, who, 22:23.465 --> 22:23.725 [SPEAKER_03]: Right. 22:23.785 --> 22:29.968 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, who I guess who, you know, this was Bush's way to say, hey, look how soft he is on crime. 22:30.028 --> 22:32.209 [SPEAKER_03]: He was the governor who let this monster out. 22:33.509 --> 22:37.651 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, didn't blow something like an 18 point lead to or something. 22:37.691 --> 22:39.912 [SPEAKER_02]: He was like way ahead in the polls. 22:40.572 --> 22:42.653 [SPEAKER_04]: They like flip flopped in the polls after that. 22:42.713 --> 22:48.776 [SPEAKER_04]: If you, if you looked at like the month that he dropped, hey, do caucuses soft on crime, look at what this guy did. 22:49.136 --> 22:50.957 [SPEAKER_04]: And he had a historic ad. 22:51.906 --> 23:00.795 [SPEAKER_04]: And I actually dropped a link to this ad in our chat if you can, if you can play it here, it's like 29 seconds long. 23:01.336 --> 23:03.098 [SPEAKER_00]: Bush and Ducacca is on crime. 23:03.578 --> 23:06.121 [SPEAKER_00]: Bush supports the death penalty for first-degree murderers. 23:06.561 --> 23:08.803 [SPEAKER_00]: Ducacca is not only opposes the death penalty. 23:09.064 --> 23:12.187 [SPEAKER_00]: He allowed first-degree murderers to have weekend passes from prison. 23:13.133 --> 23:17.296 [SPEAKER_00]: One was Willie Horton, who murdered a boy in a robbery stabbing him 19 times. 23:17.777 --> 23:21.900 [SPEAKER_00]: Despite a life sentence, Horton received 10 weekend passes from prison. 23:22.320 --> 23:26.964 [SPEAKER_00]: Horton fled to kidnapped a young couple stabbing the man and repeatedly raping his girlfriend. 23:27.484 --> 23:30.266 [SPEAKER_00]: Weekend prison passes, Dukaka's son crime. 23:30.907 --> 23:31.167 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah. 23:31.447 --> 23:31.988 [SPEAKER_03]: It's uh... 23:34.331 --> 23:37.615 [SPEAKER_03]: he made him look real bad with just Willie Horton there. 23:38.356 --> 23:43.242 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, so they flip-flopped and to caucus blew a massively in the polls, 23:44.571 --> 24:02.806 [SPEAKER_04]: by looking soft on crime, even though this was a practice that was going on everywhere across the country, even in like Ronald Reagan's home state when this is when Ronald Reagan was the president, even in the state of California, they were practicing prison furloughs and essentially eliminated the practice across the country. 24:02.866 --> 24:04.528 [SPEAKER_04]: Nobody wanted to look soft on crime. 24:05.408 --> 24:24.385 [SPEAKER_04]: and we're seeing it's political suicide to be soft on cram so well politicians working in their self interest are going to eliminate these programs so that they look like they're getting tough on cram because as the old adage goes nobody ever lost an election by getting tough on cram okay so that's Willie Horton 24:25.945 --> 24:30.326 [SPEAKER_04]: A massive figure in criminal justice history, he was doing time there. 24:31.607 --> 24:46.831 [SPEAKER_04]: Now the facility has a ton of programs across a number of fields, including agricultural programs with components on like farming, organic gardening, crop cultivation, landscape design, animal husbandry, did you notice anything having to do with that when we were walking into the facility? 24:47.971 --> 24:48.932 [SPEAKER_02]: animal husbandry. 24:49.112 --> 24:50.392 [SPEAKER_02]: I did not notice that at all. 24:50.653 --> 24:54.374 [SPEAKER_02]: Do they have to do the thing with the horses? 24:55.435 --> 24:55.995 [SPEAKER_02]: Stuff like that. 24:56.135 --> 24:56.875 [SPEAKER_02]: I think that we hit. 24:57.176 --> 24:59.517 [SPEAKER_02]: We had to pay extra for that. 25:01.498 --> 25:02.478 [SPEAKER_02]: They only do that at night. 25:08.201 --> 25:16.886 [SPEAKER_04]: When you're walking in, you notice like, like, fields walking up, so assuming they grow some of the crops outside, but they also have green houses where they grow a lot of the crops. 25:17.046 --> 25:22.410 [SPEAKER_04]: And right outside of the restaurant, you can see some of the crops growing out right outside of the windows, some of the herbs, vegetables. 25:23.310 --> 25:25.171 [SPEAKER_04]: They also have food preparation. 25:25.471 --> 25:28.693 [SPEAKER_04]: They have a garage in Milford that they use for auto repair. 25:28.713 --> 25:30.294 [SPEAKER_04]: They have horticultural programs. 25:31.652 --> 25:35.996 [SPEAKER_04]: They train service dogs for persons with disabilities with this dog training program. 25:36.016 --> 25:40.361 [SPEAKER_04]: They call needs the national education for assistance dog services. 25:40.401 --> 25:44.465 [SPEAKER_04]: I saw several inmates walking around wearing shirts that had the program name on it. 25:44.485 --> 25:45.546 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, I don't know if you two saw them. 25:46.907 --> 25:51.712 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I saw saw saw saw some of those inmates and a few puppy dogs walking around. 25:52.413 --> 25:54.295 [SPEAKER_03]: Great programs still my favorite one ever. 25:55.223 --> 25:55.843 [SPEAKER_04]: that's pretty dope. 25:56.484 --> 25:59.325 [SPEAKER_04]: They have a program for getting OSHA certified. 26:00.406 --> 26:03.707 [SPEAKER_04]: They offer self improvement programs on restorative justice. 26:03.727 --> 26:07.649 [SPEAKER_04]: They have support programs for long-term inmates where they can support each other. 26:09.050 --> 26:21.616 [SPEAKER_04]: And they have a garden variety of programs like I'll just rattle off a few of them healthy relationships, criminal thinking violence reduction, anger management, substance use programs, entrepreneurship, call to courageous manhood, making moral choices and peer 26:26.365 --> 26:32.351 [SPEAKER_04]: They also have some higher-ed programs like high school equivalent high school equivalency diplomas. 26:32.971 --> 26:40.679 [SPEAKER_04]: They can partake in classes towards earning a bachelor's degree from Boston College, Emerson College and Tufts University, and they have a correctional recovery academy. 26:40.859 --> 26:44.802 [SPEAKER_04]: That's been on the books since the early 2000s, and it's a six-month therapeutic community program. 26:45.463 --> 27:04.779 [SPEAKER_04]: meaning you are living in the same like dormitory space with everybody else in the program and you go to programs every day that emphasize relapse prevention for these inmates and it uses cognitive behavioral therapy techniques which are known to be like the best modality for treatment for people who are incarcerated. 27:06.200 --> 27:08.362 [SPEAKER_04]: Now that's what I've got on the facility itself. 27:08.983 --> 27:12.185 [SPEAKER_04]: Let's move on to talking about a special place within the facility. 27:17.675 --> 27:19.556 [SPEAKER_04]: Now, the Fife and Drum is a special place. 27:19.696 --> 27:22.377 [SPEAKER_04]: It is the only prison run restaurant in the United States. 27:23.157 --> 27:25.618 [SPEAKER_04]: It is part of inmate educational programming. 27:25.779 --> 27:30.781 [SPEAKER_04]: They are teaching food prep and serving to persons who are there. 27:31.521 --> 27:33.902 [SPEAKER_04]: The food is all prepared and served by inmates in the facility. 27:34.702 --> 27:38.684 [SPEAKER_04]: And getting to work at the restaurant is considered a perk of being at the facility. 27:38.984 --> 27:42.706 [SPEAKER_04]: They have eight inmates on staff preparing and serving meals from Tuesday through Friday. 27:44.835 --> 27:54.441 [SPEAKER_04]: And the restaurant has been running since the 1970s, Massachusetts administrators keep it going for its food service programs that give the participants these transferable skills on release. 27:55.302 --> 27:58.424 [SPEAKER_04]: And it made, as I said, they grow their own Arabs, they grow their own vegetables. 27:58.444 --> 28:02.587 [SPEAKER_04]: So when the right veggies are in season, it's actually a farm to table restaurant, which is kind of dope. 28:03.748 --> 28:07.230 [SPEAKER_03]: And I think one of the other things that that was, um, 28:09.159 --> 28:30.188 [SPEAKER_03]: That was discussed a lot, is like learned about restaurant management and the business side of, you know, they were talking about food trucks to us, you know, to start your own business, you know, they were trying to find ways to provide opportunities, 28:31.540 --> 28:46.147 [SPEAKER_03]: legitimate opportunities to inmates when they get out because we all know it's very difficult to find good jobs in America and then it's even more difficult when you have to check that boxes say that says you've been convicted of a felony. 28:47.487 --> 29:02.904 [SPEAKER_03]: So, they're setting these individuals up not only with the skills to cook in a kitchen, but also start up their own little small business or work within established. 29:04.668 --> 29:05.288 [SPEAKER_03]: restaurants. 29:05.849 --> 29:13.113 [SPEAKER_03]: And while thinking about the business side of things, which I think is really important because throwing out, hey, here's a legitimate way for you to go and make money. 29:14.713 --> 29:32.503 [SPEAKER_03]: Having that option is big for these individuals who have been incarcerated and, you know, we worry about them falling back into their old friendship networks and then the same old habits to find quick money that's not legitimate. 29:33.363 --> 29:33.703 [SPEAKER_03]: Totally. 29:34.104 --> 29:38.887 [SPEAKER_04]: And if you are accepted into that program, you're expected to do everything in the restaurant. 29:38.907 --> 29:43.191 [SPEAKER_04]: So you are expected to, everyone starts out in the dish room. 29:43.471 --> 29:44.852 [SPEAKER_04]: So you have to learn to clean dishes. 29:45.553 --> 29:50.457 [SPEAKER_04]: And then you can move up to serving, busing, cleaning, cooking. 29:51.197 --> 29:52.038 [SPEAKER_04]: You learn to do it all. 29:52.518 --> 29:55.541 [SPEAKER_04]: You get a holistic education in the restaurant. 29:56.081 --> 29:57.582 [SPEAKER_04]: And you get this business side of 30:02.952 --> 30:04.953 [SPEAKER_03]: Maybe maybe we can send their boys there. 30:06.094 --> 30:09.515 [SPEAKER_03]: He's like, hey, go learn how to clean a dish. 30:09.895 --> 30:10.416 [SPEAKER_03]: Properly. 30:11.536 --> 30:13.037 [SPEAKER_03]: Don't talk about your sons? 30:13.837 --> 30:14.898 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, exactly. 30:15.678 --> 30:16.979 [SPEAKER_03]: And in yours when he's older. 30:18.360 --> 30:19.600 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, let's get all three of them in. 30:19.660 --> 30:21.121 [SPEAKER_04]: One, two, one. 30:21.141 --> 30:22.442 [SPEAKER_04]: Get them in there, get them in this dish. 30:23.062 --> 30:23.302 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah. 30:25.183 --> 30:25.803 [SPEAKER_04]: Get clean in. 30:27.744 --> 30:29.645 [SPEAKER_04]: This program does not support child labor. 30:29.685 --> 30:31.246 [SPEAKER_04]: Despite the views of Eric Bronson. 30:33.494 --> 30:56.969 [SPEAKER_03]: I said when he's an older, when he's older, you know, you're going to want to send him the prison when he's older, you know, are you saying you want to send your son's to first no, he's got good kids in America, so what, let's talk about our 30:59.656 --> 31:04.158 [SPEAKER_04]: What kind of restrictions did you see that they have in place for guests for us coming into the facilities visitors? 31:04.278 --> 31:05.918 [SPEAKER_04]: No, we had a check-in with a guy with a really stupid mustache. 31:05.938 --> 31:07.099 [SPEAKER_02]: I didn't even remember his mustache. 31:07.119 --> 31:29.066 [SPEAKER_02]: But he seems like he seems like he seems like he seems like he seems like he seems like he seems like he seems like he seems like he seems like he seems like he seems like he seems like he seems like he seems like he seems like he seems like he seems like he seems like he seems like he seems like he seems like he seems like he seems like he seems like he seems like he seems like he seems like he seems like he seems like he seems like he seems like he seems like he seems like he seems like he seems like he seems like he seems like he seems like he seems like he seems like he seems like he seems like he seems like he seems like he seems like he seems like he seems like he seems like he seems like he seems like he seems like he seems like he seems like he seems like he seems like he 31:35.119 --> 31:43.045 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, yeah, we had to just come in and check in and they gave us like a little tag saying that we were like going to lunch and that was pretty much it. 31:51.732 --> 32:07.353 [SPEAKER_02]: I was breaking because I have a big piercing in my face and the things that no piercings but like right before us three like blue-haired old ladies came in and they all had like big Dangley earrings and stuff so I'm like oh I can I can get away with this and sure enough got away with it 32:08.955 --> 32:16.184 [SPEAKER_03]: And you know, obviously no cell phones, no electronic allowed in, not, but, you know, that was, that was really about it. 32:16.204 --> 32:23.593 [SPEAKER_03]: It was, I think for, you know, for people in the public that generally, if they go there, they're going to say, oh, there's a, they run this place pretty loose. 32:24.850 --> 32:28.131 [SPEAKER_04]: They ran it closer than I expected, but you can't bring your wallet. 32:28.311 --> 32:31.472 [SPEAKER_04]: You are, they tell you on online and the instructions. 32:31.812 --> 32:36.073 [SPEAKER_04]: Only your ID and bringing exact change for your lunch, which is $3.25. 32:36.253 --> 32:39.013 [SPEAKER_04]: No credit cards accepted, no tipping permitted. 32:40.314 --> 32:43.034 [SPEAKER_04]: And you have to abide by the rules and dress codes online. 32:43.274 --> 32:46.975 [SPEAKER_04]: And the rest room is only open one hour a day for four days a week. 32:47.375 --> 32:48.536 [SPEAKER_04]: But it's still a cool jam. 32:49.196 --> 32:51.176 [SPEAKER_03]: But yeah, and think about the $3.25 for your lunch. 32:55.523 --> 33:04.665 [SPEAKER_03]: That I mean, that is where you don't get that anywhere anywhere, no, you can't even make peanut butter jelly sandwiches at home for that kind of a deal. 33:06.145 --> 33:06.685 [SPEAKER_04]: Exactly. 33:06.705 --> 33:08.706 [SPEAKER_04]: And we're getting a prefix menu. 33:08.746 --> 33:18.268 [SPEAKER_04]: You're getting a soft drink, a soup, a salad, yeah, an entree and a dessert and just a version 25 cents that dessert. 33:18.328 --> 33:19.748 [SPEAKER_03]: They could charge more than that. 33:20.585 --> 33:21.586 [SPEAKER_03]: just for the dessert. 33:22.207 --> 33:22.567 [SPEAKER_03]: I agree. 33:22.948 --> 33:23.228 [SPEAKER_03]: I agree. 33:23.449 --> 33:23.649 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah. 33:24.650 --> 33:29.056 [SPEAKER_04]: Um, one thing I mentioned, the inmates themselves in cars, right there. 33:29.096 --> 33:33.721 [SPEAKER_04]: They do have a few restrictions that you wouldn't see in most normal kitchens that are more typical for a person. 33:33.741 --> 33:36.084 [SPEAKER_04]: Like the knives are all tethered to the tables. 33:36.845 --> 33:38.186 [SPEAKER_04]: with cords or their locked up. 33:38.867 --> 33:43.951 [SPEAKER_04]: And so if you are back in the kitchen, you need to chop vegetables or plate dishes. 33:44.291 --> 33:45.612 [SPEAKER_04]: You might have some more restrictions there. 33:46.333 --> 33:53.639 [SPEAKER_04]: But the inmates, importantly, they're getting these like customer service skills, like they're interacting with a public, and recreating with people outside of the prison. 33:53.959 --> 34:00.324 [SPEAKER_04]: And I think that is an awesome part of rehabilitation for people too, is getting that interaction with people who are not of the prison. 34:01.085 --> 34:02.906 [SPEAKER_04]: Right, right, that's a big question. 34:03.767 --> 34:05.108 [SPEAKER_03]: And I think, 34:07.501 --> 34:17.199 [SPEAKER_03]: Just in general in society in the United States, I think being an any type of server in a restaurant, it's a pretty shitty job, right? 34:17.439 --> 34:18.842 [SPEAKER_03]: I mean people have 34:20.079 --> 34:41.688 [SPEAKER_03]: unreasonably high standards for what they think they should get for you know if you're hey we're going out to dinner at Fridays or whatever the hell it might be and you know if anything comes out a little bit wrong they lose their minds or they'll have you know these crazy demands about how they want the food prepared and if it's a little bit off 34:42.969 --> 34:57.128 [SPEAKER_03]: Now, granted, I don't think people are doing that to the inmates there because the menu is much smaller, but having that opportunity to interact and and just I think. 34:59.220 --> 35:07.443 [SPEAKER_03]: I have a really, you know, a really good feeling that everybody who goes to lunch here views these individuals as humans. 35:07.583 --> 35:15.646 [SPEAKER_03]: You know, I don't think they're going there saying, oh, I'm gonna go have lunch with these animals and let them serve me and they need to stay locked up. 35:15.766 --> 35:26.871 [SPEAKER_03]: I think that they realize what's going on here at this restaurant and they see it as an opportunity to go there and be part of something that's positive in people's lives. 35:27.931 --> 35:34.495 [SPEAKER_03]: Um, and, you know, get some good food and pay relatively nothing for the meal. 35:35.516 --> 35:35.836 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah. 35:36.056 --> 35:36.236 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah. 35:36.476 --> 35:45.441 [SPEAKER_04]: And interestingly, with the meals, they keep, they keep his white board near the entrance of the, the small restaurant that's updated daily with the food offerings. 35:45.982 --> 35:48.103 [SPEAKER_04]: They offer you a choice of two entrées for lunch. 35:48.323 --> 35:50.224 [SPEAKER_04]: The menu changes every week. 35:50.444 --> 35:52.645 [SPEAKER_04]: So there's, there's cool elements. 35:52.725 --> 35:53.226 [SPEAKER_04]: This whole thing. 35:54.050 --> 35:57.532 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, very very and that's it. 35:57.632 --> 36:08.239 [SPEAKER_03]: I think there were nine tables and four seats per table for the most part, but yeah, it is it's on the smaller side, but every table, why we were there was being used. 36:11.741 --> 36:19.686 [SPEAKER_03]: So, you know, it does encourage the listeners that if you're going to go be there at 1130 to be in there to eat. 36:21.980 --> 36:23.142 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, get there at the right time. 36:23.442 --> 36:24.303 [SPEAKER_04]: It's a little confusing. 36:24.343 --> 36:26.285 [SPEAKER_04]: Like you walk into the restaurant itself. 36:26.665 --> 36:30.949 [SPEAKER_04]: It's not a big room and you look around for like, okay, where am I supposed to go? 36:31.009 --> 36:38.617 [SPEAKER_04]: And there's there's a woman sitting there with a cash box and Beckens you over and you pay her the money and and get 36:40.783 --> 36:48.530 [SPEAKER_04]: he says, okay, sit down, somebody will be around with you and then that's all pretty prompt and a very, very polite good service. 36:49.251 --> 36:50.692 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, let's talk about our meal. 36:50.852 --> 36:52.173 [SPEAKER_04]: Let's break down the meal. 36:52.373 --> 36:54.095 [SPEAKER_04]: Let's prison break down our meal if you will. 36:54.315 --> 36:54.836 [SPEAKER_04]: Let's do it. 36:56.457 --> 36:57.558 [SPEAKER_04]: So we start out with the soup now. 36:57.578 --> 36:59.500 [SPEAKER_04]: There's a soup trader in our midst, who said, I'm not going to have that soup. 36:59.520 --> 36:59.720 [SPEAKER_04]: No soup. 36:59.740 --> 36:59.900 [SPEAKER_04]: No soup. 36:59.920 --> 37:00.200 [SPEAKER_04]: No soup. 37:00.240 --> 37:00.500 [SPEAKER_04]: No soup. 37:00.560 --> 37:00.741 [SPEAKER_04]: No soup. 37:00.761 --> 37:00.981 [SPEAKER_04]: No soup. 37:01.001 --> 37:01.701 [SPEAKER_04]: No soup. 37:01.721 --> 37:01.902 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37:10.689 --> 37:10.849 [SPEAKER_03]: No soup. 37:10.869 --> 37:11.049 [SPEAKER_03]: No soup. 37:11.069 --> 37:11.229 [SPEAKER_03]: No soup. 37:11.249 --> 37:11.409 [SPEAKER_03]: No soup. 37:11.429 --> 37:11.589 [SPEAKER_03]: No soup. 37:11.629 --> 37:11.810 [SPEAKER_03]: No soup. 37:11.830 --> 37:12.010 [SPEAKER_04]: No soup. 37:12.030 --> 37:12.190 [SPEAKER_04]: No soup. 37:12.210 --> 37:12.370 [SPEAKER_04]: No soup. 37:12.390 --> 37:12.590 [SPEAKER_04]: No soup. 37:12.610 --> 37:12.770 [SPEAKER_04]: No soup. 37:12.790 --> 37:12.951 [SPEAKER_04]: No soup. 37:12.971 --> 37:13.131 [SPEAKER_04]: No soup. 37:13.151 --> 37:13.411 [SPEAKER_04]: No soup 37:14.011 --> 37:20.295 [SPEAKER_04]: Even though it was an Italian wedding suit for Erickson, he expressed some unsevery thoughts about Italian weddings. 37:21.235 --> 37:21.575 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah. 37:22.296 --> 37:30.460 [SPEAKER_03]: And to say, just, you know, express some unsevery thoughts about Italians, just get me in trouble with the people of America. 37:31.681 --> 37:31.961 [SPEAKER_03]: All right. 37:32.141 --> 37:32.401 [SPEAKER_03]: All right. 37:32.421 --> 37:34.522 [SPEAKER_04]: President Italian didn't say anything wrong. 37:34.762 --> 37:37.364 [SPEAKER_04]: He just didn't like, he's just not a Superman. 37:37.524 --> 37:39.225 [SPEAKER_02]: And I'm an anti-supite. 37:39.605 --> 37:45.406 [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, so, so you did say something wrong because being anti-sup is inherently wrong. 37:45.626 --> 37:47.567 [SPEAKER_02]: Like, soup is of perfect food. 37:48.607 --> 37:50.507 [SPEAKER_03]: No, it's just awful. 37:51.007 --> 37:51.828 [SPEAKER_03]: It's awful. 37:52.908 --> 37:57.769 [SPEAKER_03]: Soup, soup to me is associated with, you know, being sick. 37:58.089 --> 38:01.029 [SPEAKER_03]: And you get the chicken noodle soup and that's, yeah, it's comforting. 38:01.129 --> 38:01.910 [SPEAKER_02]: That's comforting. 38:02.130 --> 38:03.230 [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, that's great. 38:03.250 --> 38:03.970 [SPEAKER_03]: Not to like soup. 38:05.050 --> 38:06.911 [SPEAKER_03]: Oh, yeah, I'm sick in the head. 38:07.451 --> 38:08.291 [SPEAKER_04]: What do you mean when you're sick? 38:09.830 --> 38:13.293 [SPEAKER_03]: I mean, I will, I will have some, but it's it's awful. 38:13.373 --> 38:14.333 [SPEAKER_03]: I hate every bite of it. 38:15.274 --> 38:15.914 [SPEAKER_04]: Okay, it's not a bite. 38:15.934 --> 38:16.635 [SPEAKER_04]: It's more of a slurp. 38:17.595 --> 38:20.117 [SPEAKER_03]: Nah, that's the way I do it. 38:20.237 --> 38:21.058 [SPEAKER_03]: Eric gets crunchy. 38:21.078 --> 38:23.940 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, well, what tells a soup company that does? 38:23.960 --> 38:25.261 [SPEAKER_03]: Oh, you're going to eat it with a fork. 38:25.981 --> 38:27.062 [SPEAKER_04]: This is why he doesn't like soup. 38:27.102 --> 38:28.923 [SPEAKER_04]: He's getting rotten soup. 38:29.744 --> 38:30.184 [SPEAKER_04]: That's right. 38:31.265 --> 38:34.187 [SPEAKER_02]: So, Britt, what was your impression for the Italian wedding soup? 38:34.747 --> 38:35.287 [SPEAKER_02]: It was fine. 38:35.948 --> 38:37.769 [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, it was a little bit better at the 38:39.603 --> 38:51.129 [SPEAKER_02]: So it was fine, like the ingredients in it, reminded me of like a Campbell soup, that was okay, but what really shined was they had a great base for it. 38:51.209 --> 38:55.111 [SPEAKER_02]: Like they made a really good chicken stock, and the chicken stock was super rich. 38:55.931 --> 38:57.452 [SPEAKER_02]: I appreciate it. 38:57.472 --> 38:58.833 [SPEAKER_04]: No, the chicken stock was awesome. 39:00.093 --> 39:04.595 [SPEAKER_04]: So we got Eric back for our next course, the salad. 39:05.216 --> 39:05.636 [SPEAKER_04]: Salad. 39:06.908 --> 39:11.211 [SPEAKER_04]: And they offer a house salad or a Caesar salad, nobody wants to be a house-ass bitch. 39:11.391 --> 39:14.052 [SPEAKER_02]: So we are to house a Caesar's bitch, you say. 39:19.695 --> 39:22.497 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, we're all Caesar dudes on the cast here. 39:22.537 --> 39:23.758 [SPEAKER_04]: Caesar, yeah. 39:23.838 --> 39:26.700 [SPEAKER_04]: So, you know, hail Caesar, the salad? 39:27.140 --> 39:27.340 [SPEAKER_04]: Yes. 39:29.282 --> 39:31.064 [SPEAKER_04]: Um, pretty good salad right. 39:31.384 --> 39:33.346 [SPEAKER_04]: Nothing really to talk about here. 39:33.446 --> 39:34.427 [SPEAKER_04]: It's just the stand. 39:34.447 --> 39:35.548 [SPEAKER_04]: Nothing negative about it. 39:35.888 --> 39:36.108 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah. 39:36.389 --> 39:39.371 [SPEAKER_02]: No solid solid six and a half out of ten. 39:39.411 --> 39:40.092 [SPEAKER_02]: Caesar salad. 39:40.132 --> 39:41.213 [SPEAKER_02]: Nothing wrong with it. 39:41.293 --> 39:43.074 [SPEAKER_02]: Nothing remarkable about it. 39:43.995 --> 39:44.235 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah. 39:44.255 --> 39:46.297 [SPEAKER_04]: They're not doing anything groundbreaking with it, but it's good. 39:46.638 --> 39:48.880 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, totally service full Caesar. 39:50.641 --> 39:52.503 [SPEAKER_04]: Now we get to the on trace. 39:54.485 --> 40:04.067 [SPEAKER_04]: they offered a sandwich, which was the shrimp Pope boy with fries, which I got, and they offered the entree of a chicken masala with noodles and cauliflower. 40:04.287 --> 40:09.968 [SPEAKER_04]: And now, I will note, somebody spelled noodles as noodles on the whiteboard, and I could not shake that from my brain. 40:09.988 --> 40:16.930 [SPEAKER_02]: And O-D-L-E-S, not O-D-L-E-S, not O-D-L-E-S, not O-D-L-E-S, not O-D-L-E-S, not O-D-L-E-S, not O-D-L-E-S, not O-D-L-E-S, not O-D-L-E-S, not O-D-L-E-S, not O-D-L-E-S, not O-D-L-E-S, not O-D-L-E-S, not O-D-L-E-S, not O- 40:17.110 --> 40:18.291 [SPEAKER_04]: I like battles too. 40:18.331 --> 40:21.814 [SPEAKER_02]: That sounds like like an easy one if that was one of the cars. 40:22.394 --> 40:25.036 [SPEAKER_02]: It sounds like an easy to eat pasta made for like babies. 40:25.056 --> 40:25.657 [SPEAKER_02]: I think. 40:28.259 --> 40:30.040 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, have your noodles, baby. 40:31.481 --> 40:36.605 [SPEAKER_04]: So the other two hosts here, they get the chicken rice all with noodles and cauliflower. 40:37.006 --> 40:37.566 [SPEAKER_04]: Talk about it. 40:37.626 --> 40:38.347 [SPEAKER_04]: Tell us about it. 40:39.133 --> 40:58.709 [SPEAKER_02]: Alright, so, um, I'll go down the list here, so, uh, from worst to best, the cauliflower was mush, cauliflower was the worst bite of the entire meal, um, it was, like, it's like they took pre-frozen cauliflower and just steamed it for like 40 minutes. 40:59.429 --> 41:15.090 [SPEAKER_02]: it was almost, it was almost a second sup course, um, just not not to get it, uh, noodles were totally fine, uh, or noddles, the noddles were totally fine, uh, totally acceptable, nothing fancy, nothing, uh, 41:15.968 --> 41:17.748 [SPEAKER_02]: You know, no, no, for those noodles. 41:17.848 --> 41:20.769 [SPEAKER_02]: Chicken Marsala, easily the best bite of the entire meal. 41:20.909 --> 41:24.690 [SPEAKER_02]: Chicken Marsala was really good, really well prepared, chicken breast. 41:26.530 --> 41:36.612 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, they definitely like marinated it or just, you know, maybe like, that a salt kind of like dry, dry age on it and it was really good. 41:38.792 --> 41:40.733 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I had the same meal. 41:44.473 --> 41:45.353 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, same meal. 41:45.933 --> 41:52.715 [SPEAKER_03]: And I was going to say, you could just put Ditto right next to what Britt just said, I did feel it when I had the cauliflower. 41:53.036 --> 41:56.677 [SPEAKER_03]: It very much felt like I was chewing on a rubber band. 41:58.457 --> 42:00.278 [SPEAKER_03]: And that fell apart. 42:00.398 --> 42:02.258 [SPEAKER_03]: It was that was the low point. 42:02.438 --> 42:05.259 [SPEAKER_03]: And but the chicken was really, really good. 42:06.259 --> 42:10.981 [SPEAKER_03]: And you know, they really, they hit a home run with that one. 42:13.802 --> 42:14.182 [SPEAKER_04]: They did. 42:15.283 --> 42:25.613 [SPEAKER_04]: My joke I was going to tag on to Brits talking about the salting on the chicken was, did you hear about the chicken, Marshal of the research in the prison? 42:25.874 --> 42:28.076 [SPEAKER_04]: It was a committed assault. 42:35.404 --> 42:35.605 [SPEAKER_04]: All right. 42:36.025 --> 42:36.846 [SPEAKER_04]: Well, there's that. 42:37.286 --> 42:42.931 [SPEAKER_04]: Um, so in in a surprise twist, producer Brittany, we split our entrees. 42:43.211 --> 42:44.712 [SPEAKER_04]: I got the shrimp po boy with fries. 42:45.433 --> 42:51.158 [SPEAKER_04]: Split that baby in half as someone who recently has learned to make a shrimp po boy. 42:51.318 --> 42:52.940 [SPEAKER_04]: I learned how to deep fry it my home. 42:53.960 --> 42:55.861 [SPEAKER_04]: And I made a key to the shrimp hoboite. 42:56.161 --> 42:58.221 [SPEAKER_04]: I thought their shrimp hoboite was quality. 42:58.261 --> 42:59.521 [SPEAKER_04]: And their fries were very tasty. 42:59.921 --> 43:08.283 [SPEAKER_04]: And the only thing I would complain about is that the bun was a regular pat-dog bun, but that the shrimp itself was done awesome. 43:09.323 --> 43:10.144 [SPEAKER_04]: No complaints there. 43:11.064 --> 43:17.125 [SPEAKER_04]: And having tried half of Brits' meal, I can tell you that I completely agree with everything that he's putting out there. 43:19.850 --> 43:23.232 [SPEAKER_04]: pretty solid on tray and Brit would you think of the different poor boy yourself. 43:23.632 --> 43:40.363 [SPEAKER_02]: It was pretty good not is good in my opinion is to check in Marsala but totally service will meal for and also we got to consider this entire meal like four five courses was three dollars and twenty five cents cash which like yes as much as I could like 43:41.423 --> 43:43.043 [SPEAKER_02]: nitpick every single thing they did. 43:43.584 --> 44:02.148 [SPEAKER_02]: I'm not gonna for the price like especially because these are like You know guys who are probably pretty new to this like learning to cook in a commercial kitchen for the first time Which is like you know good for them and they're doing a great job for what they're doing except on the call of love Yeah, yeah 44:05.217 --> 44:07.338 [SPEAKER_04]: Now, we get to the dessert for dessert. 44:07.599 --> 44:08.619 [SPEAKER_04]: They offer it a choice. 44:09.140 --> 44:13.282 [SPEAKER_04]: You can have the strawberry strusal, or you can have the chocolate chip cookies. 44:14.383 --> 44:14.783 [SPEAKER_04]: Discuss. 44:16.765 --> 44:20.487 [SPEAKER_02]: I went for the strawberry strusal, just because I've had so many chocolate chip cookies. 44:20.507 --> 44:21.788 [SPEAKER_02]: I know how they taste, you know? 44:23.869 --> 44:27.132 [SPEAKER_02]: But we did, I believe, split once again the desserts. 44:28.112 --> 44:28.493 [SPEAKER_04]: As we do. 44:30.877 --> 44:31.317 [SPEAKER_02]: Your thoughts. 44:31.397 --> 44:34.739 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, the strawberry streusel was very good. 44:34.899 --> 44:36.699 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, it was very very tasty. 44:36.819 --> 44:38.740 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, quite good chocolate chip cookies. 44:38.780 --> 44:39.361 [SPEAKER_02]: We're all right. 44:39.501 --> 44:41.902 [SPEAKER_02]: They were pretty standard fair chocolate chip cookies. 44:42.002 --> 44:42.322 [SPEAKER_02]: Nothing. 44:42.342 --> 44:43.962 [SPEAKER_02]: Nothing fancy. 44:44.103 --> 44:44.663 [SPEAKER_02]: Nothing bad. 44:44.683 --> 44:49.845 [SPEAKER_04]: The road completely agree to just the standard chocolate chip cookie. 44:50.425 --> 44:50.885 [SPEAKER_04]: I enjoyed it. 44:51.346 --> 44:53.286 [SPEAKER_04]: Wait, the strawberry streusel was excellent. 44:53.466 --> 44:57.268 [SPEAKER_04]: I was pretty special that that might have been my bite of the meal. 44:58.709 --> 44:59.409 [SPEAKER_03]: It was good stuff. 45:00.689 --> 45:01.450 [SPEAKER_03]: good stuff. 45:01.850 --> 45:08.335 [SPEAKER_03]: That if we're going out of 10, I'd go with I is like an 8.5 on that strawberry fruit so it was just set your bite of the meal as well. 45:09.396 --> 45:13.339 [SPEAKER_03]: I don't know that and the chicken was really good too. 45:14.179 --> 45:16.541 [SPEAKER_03]: That was both of those were really high quality. 45:16.581 --> 45:19.163 [SPEAKER_03]: I was surprised at how good the chicken was all of us. 45:21.985 --> 45:25.948 [SPEAKER_03]: So yeah and both of those were right up there with one another. 45:28.370 --> 45:32.934 [SPEAKER_03]: Where is the cauliflower and that awful soup you guys? 45:33.234 --> 45:33.454 [SPEAKER_03]: Right. 45:33.635 --> 45:34.896 [SPEAKER_03]: That's not the opposite end. 45:35.136 --> 45:36.657 [SPEAKER_03]: Ooh. 45:36.697 --> 45:37.958 [SPEAKER_04]: You didn't even fly or soup. 45:38.158 --> 45:39.459 [SPEAKER_04]: You weren't even open to the idea. 45:39.479 --> 45:40.960 [SPEAKER_03]: No, I slipped out of that. 45:40.981 --> 45:41.881 [SPEAKER_03]: That was more than enough. 45:43.422 --> 45:44.423 [SPEAKER_04]: It looked like a dog. 45:45.204 --> 45:46.345 [SPEAKER_04]: It looked exactly. 45:46.485 --> 45:47.326 [SPEAKER_04]: It turns around. 45:50.101 --> 45:59.664 [SPEAKER_04]: Now that was what we said was dessert, but the real dessert for us is getting to talk to a guy who worked there, one of the inmates there. 46:00.304 --> 46:04.345 [SPEAKER_04]: We'll call him M because you're asked to keep his name anonymous. 46:05.426 --> 46:15.089 [SPEAKER_04]: And so talking to M and we got to talk to a man named Eddie Jacobs, who's the culinary instructor for the prison and he's been working there for 30 years. 46:16.289 --> 46:17.049 [SPEAKER_04]: And prior to 46:19.990 --> 46:21.351 [SPEAKER_04]: Eddie Jacobs owned E.J.' 46:21.331 --> 46:36.597 [SPEAKER_04]: 's barbecue, and Waltham, and as we discussed, he makes them do everything in the kitchen, teaches the business side of the kitchen, and what were your impressions of the place based on talking to Eddie? 46:36.617 --> 46:38.138 [SPEAKER_04]: What did you get out of our conversation with him? 46:39.279 --> 46:54.662 [SPEAKER_03]: Well, one of the things, before we talk, you know, just in terms of the conversation with Eddie and Em, I just want to say, it was very clear that there was a tremendous amount of respect from Eddie to the workers there, to the inmates. 46:54.962 --> 46:58.403 [SPEAKER_03]: And I think it was pretty clear to see that they respected him as well. 46:58.563 --> 47:05.604 [SPEAKER_03]: And that's, I think a really important thing for any of our students going in a criminal justice to make sure they learn if you respect 47:06.538 --> 47:13.183 [SPEAKER_03]: individuals, whether it's inside the institution or out there on the streets as you work on law enforcement, you respect them. 47:13.643 --> 47:15.485 [SPEAKER_03]: It's going to change the way the interaction was. 47:15.525 --> 47:24.091 [SPEAKER_03]: I mean, everything that I saw was a very positive interaction between the staff and the inmates where they're working. 47:24.411 --> 47:26.292 [SPEAKER_03]: I'm also really impressed with that. 47:26.472 --> 47:29.854 [SPEAKER_02]: Also, you know, I've got a lot of experience like working in kitchens. 47:29.874 --> 47:31.235 [SPEAKER_02]: You just be like a sous chef and stuff. 47:31.255 --> 47:36.417 [SPEAKER_02]: And like, the same goes for like, you know, the institution of the kitchen. 47:36.458 --> 47:38.399 [SPEAKER_02]: Like everything runs on trust and respect. 47:38.419 --> 47:47.403 [SPEAKER_02]: Because you're working with a lot of sharp, hot, heavy, dangerous objects around each other in tight spaces. 47:48.404 --> 47:51.766 [SPEAKER_02]: And you have to be able to have a rapport and trust. 47:52.706 --> 48:04.310 [SPEAKER_02]: and understand how things move around a kitchen in order to not only survive in a kitchen, but, you know, thrive in a kitchen and get everything done without anybody getting hurt, you know. 48:05.691 --> 48:10.933 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, I'm sure injuries are common in kitchens and especially tight spaces working in place like that. 48:11.593 --> 48:12.033 [SPEAKER_03]: It can happen. 48:14.387 --> 48:31.278 [SPEAKER_04]: So he emphasized respect and he emphasized like he was talking to us about how he wishes that big and report more successes from people getting out out of prison, but he's not allowed to keep in touch with people as part of the conditions of the job, which makes plenty sense. 48:31.638 --> 48:34.720 [SPEAKER_04]: And then they're not allowed to like come back and be like, hey, look, check it out. 48:35.000 --> 48:36.021 [SPEAKER_04]: I'm doing great, guys. 48:36.501 --> 48:37.382 [SPEAKER_04]: I'm running a restaurant. 48:38.207 --> 48:38.467 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah. 48:38.687 --> 48:40.588 [SPEAKER_04]: But he did any Jacobs. 48:41.088 --> 48:44.690 [SPEAKER_04]: He emphasized a few things that are like some of the benefits of hiring offenders. 48:44.790 --> 48:50.273 [SPEAKER_04]: Like if you run a business and you hire offenders, he emphasized that you get a tax break as a business owner. 48:50.293 --> 48:53.635 [SPEAKER_04]: He emphasized that you don't have to pay health insurance or unemployment insurance. 48:54.395 --> 49:03.099 [SPEAKER_04]: You don't have to pay for these benefits because the government offers these breaks because hey, here's an incentive for you to hire an offender and that's pretty cool. 49:04.812 --> 49:21.225 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I mean, it's, again, one of the things that I think that really stuck out to me was how much he's really focused on that business side of uh, learning, um, for the inmates and so that they, they aren't just destined to go. 49:22.306 --> 49:26.249 [SPEAKER_03]: and work, you know, hey, this is your future working in a kitchen. 49:26.889 --> 49:43.119 [SPEAKER_03]: It's one of those skills that if you understand how business runs, that okay, you want to go work in a kitchen, yeah, and maybe move up in it, or how well you can start your own food truck, or take that and you can apply it to other areas where you could start your own business. 49:43.479 --> 49:44.700 [SPEAKER_03]: And, you know, it's an applicable 49:46.641 --> 49:49.645 [SPEAKER_03]: outside of just the restaurant world if you're understanding. 49:49.705 --> 50:01.260 [SPEAKER_03]: If you have a good understanding of business and I think that was, you know, that the way he again respected them and was treating them like, hey, there's no reason why you can't go out there and start your own business eventually. 50:01.280 --> 50:04.724 [SPEAKER_03]: It might take a while but here's the legitimate thing to do and 50:06.007 --> 50:17.350 [SPEAKER_03]: Really positive aspect of the whole set up, but I think I think Eddie really impressed me with how much you could tell he was invested in this program. 50:18.971 --> 50:21.011 [SPEAKER_03]: So, completely great. 50:21.311 --> 50:21.711 [SPEAKER_03]: Interesting. 50:21.731 --> 50:21.951 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah. 50:21.991 --> 50:23.092 [SPEAKER_04]: Some articles online. 50:23.252 --> 50:23.912 [SPEAKER_04]: I found. 50:25.985 --> 50:47.234 [SPEAKER_04]: they they leave the people anonymous but uh one of the program graduates had gone on to I think it said host a show on the food network and others had up their profile with getting jobs and more high profile restaurants but it doesn't mention any of the restaurants by name doesn't mention any of the former inmates by name. 50:48.234 --> 50:50.776 [SPEAKER_04]: And good for them, like keep them anonymous. 50:50.836 --> 50:51.497 [SPEAKER_04]: That's totally fine. 50:51.857 --> 50:59.202 [SPEAKER_04]: I wish I had a little more information on it from researching it, but I like that they are protecting them and their privacy. 51:01.267 --> 51:29.756 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, but I do think it would be a, I think it would be a kind of a feather in their cap type of situation where they could say, hey, here's, you know, so and so a graduate of this program and who wasn't incarcerated for this many years and look at what he's doing now, as kind of a, not a, forget about being a model to the end to other inmates, but as an example to society of here's an individual that wasn't incarcerated, did their time and they're out, 51:30.607 --> 51:30.891 [SPEAKER_03]: Um... 51:31.785 --> 51:33.425 [SPEAKER_03]: and they're making it into society. 51:35.026 --> 51:39.227 [SPEAKER_03]: So again, as a way to show them as somebody that's a human. 51:39.887 --> 51:40.427 [SPEAKER_02]: Right, right. 51:40.447 --> 51:40.847 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah. 51:41.267 --> 51:57.751 [SPEAKER_02]: And also like, you know, draw people towards this opportunity as well because, you know, a lot of people, it seems like nobody really knows about this restaurant, you know, except for like a bunch of regulars for the most part because it's like the only program like this in America if I'm not mistaken, right? 51:58.511 --> 51:59.311 [SPEAKER_02]: And yeah, yeah. 52:02.393 --> 52:03.975 [SPEAKER_04]: It's so under report. 52:04.115 --> 52:13.307 [SPEAKER_04]: It's had three features in the Boston Globe and others with like local news around the area but other than that it's you don't see a whole lot about it online. 52:16.195 --> 52:24.041 [SPEAKER_04]: But the program itself, Eddie keeps his participants engaged by allowing them to indulge in some of their cooking ideas and the participants these inmates. 52:24.081 --> 52:26.883 [SPEAKER_04]: They actually have an active hand and putting together the menu every day. 52:27.003 --> 52:28.224 [SPEAKER_04]: Last thing, what do you want to cook? 52:28.524 --> 52:29.484 [SPEAKER_04]: They'll come up with ideas. 52:30.425 --> 52:39.912 [SPEAKER_04]: I found some discussion, like a reporter head journal, some of the interactions between Eddie and the guy who had been working there and the guy was like, 52:40.352 --> 52:42.492 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, what if we put like caramelized onions into this thing? 52:42.512 --> 52:43.973 [SPEAKER_04]: And Eddie was like, now, it's never going to work. 52:43.993 --> 52:44.833 [SPEAKER_04]: And the guy did it anyway. 52:44.853 --> 52:46.393 [SPEAKER_04]: And Eddie was like, hey, this is awesome. 52:46.893 --> 52:52.574 [SPEAKER_04]: So he, I like that he gives leeway and shows people the respect of like, yeah, sure. 52:52.614 --> 52:59.635 [SPEAKER_04]: But I don't think that's going to work but try it and is willing to admit, like, when, yeah, maybe he, he wasn't necessarily right on something. 52:59.875 --> 53:00.315 [SPEAKER_03]: That's cool. 53:01.216 --> 53:01.456 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah. 53:01.696 --> 53:09.077 [SPEAKER_03]: And I think when, you know, when you're allowing people to be creative and take ownership of 53:10.337 --> 53:15.700 [SPEAKER_03]: of the work that they're doing inside the institution, any type of rehabilitative programs whatsoever. 53:15.820 --> 53:24.285 [SPEAKER_03]: When they're able to, they're processing things at a different level because they're not just going through the motions of trying to get a certificate. 53:24.305 --> 53:36.552 [SPEAKER_03]: When they're taking ownership of something, this is when you're getting their brain to fire a new ways and get them to really process what it is to be in part of this, one of these programs, I think. 53:37.652 --> 53:59.045 [SPEAKER_03]: I can remember some research that was done years ago on inmates who were trying to, it was one of those situations where they're training the trainer and the person who is training the new inmates, the inmates who train the new inmates, they're the ones that are really learning what's going on in the situation again because they're taking ownership and they want the 54:06.709 --> 54:16.521 [SPEAKER_03]: make sure this new inmate learns something, they themselves are actually teaching themselves and thinking on a different level and engaging their brain in a new way. 54:16.621 --> 54:22.208 [SPEAKER_03]: So it's great that Eddie's able to do that for the inmates that are participating in this. 54:22.989 --> 54:26.232 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, he's got a really unique and interesting engaged job. 54:27.488 --> 54:41.919 [SPEAKER_04]: And with this program he runs, inmates go through this commercial kitchen training program and learn to serve and they receive at the end of the program after six to eight months of being there, they receive a food handlers license and they get a safe serve certificate. 54:43.261 --> 54:52.475 [SPEAKER_04]: The inmates participating make $2 a day working in the program and it's like a high school technical program in terms of what they're putting in and what they're getting out of it. 54:52.835 --> 54:57.242 [SPEAKER_04]: And so that's helpful and can help people land on their feet when they get out of prison. 54:58.685 --> 55:18.831 [SPEAKER_04]: The culinary program itself spends about $1,200 a week on food, and this, as I said, they do grow some of their own so that can offset some of the costs, and it also gets offset by what customers pay, but there's no way they're breaking even when they only charge $3.25, but the restaurant itself, it's not very large. 55:18.991 --> 55:23.172 [SPEAKER_04]: I saw it described in one article as a luncheonette, which I like how many 55:27.273 --> 55:36.541 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, and the restaurant itself has a lot of regulars, and we stuck out as being some of the only ones not wearing Massachusetts DOC gear who were under 60 years old. 55:37.802 --> 55:40.264 [SPEAKER_03]: Hey, hey, I'm getting close. 55:40.644 --> 55:42.786 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, you're not getting near that close, everyone. 55:42.806 --> 55:43.447 [SPEAKER_03]: Not that far. 55:43.747 --> 55:47.030 [SPEAKER_03]: If I had hair, it would be, it'd be, you know, leaning to blue. 55:50.632 --> 56:01.438 [SPEAKER_04]: Now, finally, the program, they have a flat top griddle a grill and they recently acquired a wood burning pizza up in for the facility that they haven't even used yet. 56:01.498 --> 56:07.462 [SPEAKER_04]: So if you live in the air conquered Massachusetts, keep on the lookout because they have pizza coming in your direction. 56:07.950 --> 56:21.626 [SPEAKER_03]: I mean, I want to call up there and see if there's a way for us to find out the day they're doing pizza because I would really love to know Like, hey, every other Thursday they're doing pizza or something so we get up there and try some of that prison pizza party, baby. 56:22.227 --> 56:22.567 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah. 56:25.550 --> 56:41.600 [SPEAKER_04]: One thing Eddie also told us about was the pie program in short this thing started in 2021 with the guys in the kitchen making 400 pies during the Thanksgiving and Christmas seasons and last year they made 540 pies for people in the community. 56:41.620 --> 56:46.963 [SPEAKER_04]: They donated all these pies to veterans homes, fire departments, senior living facilities, homeless shelter schools and community groups. 56:47.903 --> 57:00.155 [SPEAKER_04]: They make it all in house and it apparently costs like a dollar forty per pie and they they spent nearly fifteen hundred dollars on the pie budget It starts at one in the afternoon ends up around nine p.m. 57:00.195 --> 57:12.165 [SPEAKER_04]: It's this massive production line of just pie But it all goes for a good cause and I'm sure it makes some of these guys feel good to get back You know, it's funny when I worked at the prison there and talking green river. 57:12.246 --> 57:12.926 [SPEAKER_03]: I that was 57:13.987 --> 57:16.869 [SPEAKER_03]: Obviously, I learned a ton of stuff working there. 57:17.749 --> 57:39.103 [SPEAKER_03]: One of the things that shocked me with this type of situation where we had the veterans of foreign wars, the, you know, the AA, and we had any different groups in the institution that inmates were part of, and they would run fundraisers 57:43.185 --> 58:10.995 [SPEAKER_03]: uh... i'm pretty certain it was the vfw inmates uh... did is they would have twice a year they would have a pizza purchase where uh... and in make it order i don't know two or three pizzas and all of that money went to uh... whatever the cost was to uh... to go to the vfw and they would turn around and give somebody in the community a scholarship 58:12.102 --> 58:18.965 [SPEAKER_03]: So, you know, some kid, some high school kid got a scholarship from inmates that were BFW. 58:19.045 --> 58:27.448 [SPEAKER_03]: And, you know, if you got a thousand inmates and all of them are buying two or three pizzas, you make a fair chunk of money and they do it twice a year. 58:27.668 --> 58:34.931 [SPEAKER_03]: You know, all of a sudden you got a $2,000 or $3,000 scholarship for this kid coming from the prison. 58:35.051 --> 58:35.832 [SPEAKER_03]: I mean, it was 58:36.732 --> 58:55.579 [SPEAKER_03]: it was very eye opening that oh hey this goes on here and then when I end up going to places like Angola where that were massive prisons and I saw the different groups that they have available and all the you know the opportunities they have for for doing something good for the outside it's great to see that 58:56.439 --> 59:06.545 [SPEAKER_03]: those situations exist so that it's a way for the inmates to remember to connect with folks on the outside and have an opportunity to do something really positive. 59:06.606 --> 59:08.807 [SPEAKER_03]: So I love that pie program that they have. 59:09.647 --> 59:10.128 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah. 59:10.248 --> 59:10.628 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah. 59:10.648 --> 59:10.788 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah. 59:10.808 --> 59:11.028 [SPEAKER_04]: Same. 59:11.148 --> 59:20.494 [SPEAKER_04]: And like why don't we have more of this like building bridges between the inside and outside where it builds them some goodwill from 59:25.915 --> 59:32.047 [SPEAKER_04]: Um, anything else that you two want to say about a conversation with Eddie before we move on to talking about M. No. 59:32.307 --> 59:32.949 [SPEAKER_02]: Interesting guy. 59:32.969 --> 59:34.131 [SPEAKER_02]: Uh, yeah. 59:34.411 --> 59:34.592 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah. 59:34.852 --> 59:35.574 [SPEAKER_02]: I'm a character. 59:35.754 --> 59:36.816 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, definitely a character. 59:38.502 --> 59:41.644 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, yeah, he's a real character, got some local flavor. 59:43.405 --> 59:52.231 [SPEAKER_04]: He wishes that more unions would get involved with the prison to get people into the trades and teach the trades there, which I think is cool. 59:53.051 --> 59:58.555 [SPEAKER_04]: And one thing I thought was interesting, he said he's not allowed to write letters recommendation for graduates of his program. 59:59.335 --> 59:59.555 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah. 59:59.595 --> 01:00:02.516 [SPEAKER_04]: He has to use a standard form letter and just enter the inmates name. 01:00:03.657 --> 01:00:16.182 [SPEAKER_04]: And he can't actually say anything personal about them and the work that they did there, which I think is too bad and it's it's a it's just like coded in bureaucracy unnecessarily. 01:00:16.942 --> 01:00:17.182 [SPEAKER_03]: Right. 01:00:17.622 --> 01:00:17.862 [SPEAKER_03]: Right. 01:00:19.843 --> 01:00:29.954 [SPEAKER_03]: But I will say one other thing, I am willing to bet that Eddie pronounces the name of the town properly, I'm like you. 01:00:30.174 --> 01:00:33.478 [SPEAKER_04]: The man has a thick Massachusetts accent. 01:00:35.139 --> 01:00:39.924 [SPEAKER_04]: Now, let's talk about M. Yep, one of the gentlemen's servers in the restaurant. 01:00:40.822 --> 01:00:43.909 [SPEAKER_04]: He was, he told us he was in his 17th year of incarceration. 01:00:43.929 --> 01:00:46.354 [SPEAKER_04]: He had been serving a life sentence for second degree murder. 01:00:48.639 --> 01:00:50.443 [SPEAKER_04]: What did you take out of our conversation with him? 01:00:51.591 --> 01:00:53.092 [SPEAKER_02]: That was a fascinating guy. 01:00:53.272 --> 01:00:54.513 [SPEAKER_02]: I really like talking to him. 01:00:54.533 --> 01:01:01.338 [SPEAKER_02]: He had a lot to say a lot of insight, like, yeah, yeah, definitely like a model prisoner. 01:01:02.619 --> 01:01:07.082 [SPEAKER_02]: You know, he was on his last six months, so he was getting parole soon. 01:01:08.583 --> 01:01:14.147 [SPEAKER_02]: And he's one of the guys who like, you know, is getting parole, then you're like, good. 01:01:14.587 --> 01:01:19.191 [SPEAKER_02]: like this guy served his time obviously did something that he's not proud of. 01:01:20.292 --> 01:01:27.259 [SPEAKER_02]: Served his time learned a lot from it and he's ready to, you know, reintegrate into society. 01:01:28.500 --> 01:01:30.001 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, ready for it. 01:01:31.082 --> 01:01:31.923 [SPEAKER_03]: I would think that. 01:01:33.015 --> 01:01:47.564 [SPEAKER_03]: You know, when you say model inmate and, you know, when people on the outside here that I think the reason why he's a model inmate is he once he figured out what the hell was going on inside the institutions and who he wanted to be in the future. 01:01:48.324 --> 01:01:54.988 [SPEAKER_03]: He then took advantage of every single program that he wanted to improve his situation. 01:01:55.048 --> 01:01:56.289 [SPEAKER_03]: He got his degrees. 01:01:56.389 --> 01:01:59.691 [SPEAKER_03]: He got, you know, certificates, he's participating in this program. 01:02:02.513 --> 01:02:03.514 [SPEAKER_03]: work in a restaurant. 01:02:03.975 --> 01:02:10.221 [SPEAKER_03]: I, you know, that's exactly what we want inmates to do is to get in there and say here's an opportunity for you. 01:02:11.241 --> 01:02:18.027 [SPEAKER_03]: don't just go through the motions and get your, you know, your little piece paper or certificate saying you did it, actually get something out of it. 01:02:18.067 --> 01:02:25.433 [SPEAKER_03]: And I felt that he, that he was one of those that clearly was doing that, that it was making the most out of his time. 01:02:25.513 --> 01:02:29.697 [SPEAKER_03]: And again, he fully admitted, you know, it took him some years to figure that out. 01:02:29.977 --> 01:02:36.142 [SPEAKER_03]: I think he, when he first got in and he was at that max unit, and he got him, you know, he got a little bit of trouble. 01:02:37.804 --> 01:02:53.139 [SPEAKER_04]: What do you say with like the first three years he was on the max unit or yeah, yeah, he said that He was initially doing time in the medium facility in the medium and he said this is where I learned to do time in jail But he like didn't participate in program. 01:02:53.159 --> 01:03:00.467 [SPEAKER_04]: He's just gotten trouble to bounce them over to the max which in That's what I'm asking is called a Susie Baronowski and yeah 01:03:01.613 --> 01:03:09.865 [SPEAKER_04]: So he's doing time there and then they said him to MCI conquered after I think he said two years of doing time there two and three years. 01:03:11.335 --> 01:03:32.257 [SPEAKER_04]: and it was it was a conquered he starts applying to college programs he gets he is rejected from one and that leaves him disappointed but he he gets into another program this more focused on like substance abuse and he said oh the this program actually helped me find some piece with my dad his dad had died before he turned 10 and he'd always been left with his feeling of like oh my dad left because of something that 01:03:32.457 --> 01:03:38.220 [SPEAKER_04]: had to do with me, and it was part of the reason that he said, I'm not making excuses, but it was part of this reason. 01:03:38.240 --> 01:03:44.083 [SPEAKER_04]: I had turned to drugs earlier in my life, and the program helped him realize his addictions. 01:03:44.564 --> 01:03:47.605 [SPEAKER_04]: And he said, I'd also been addicted to like street life and street culture. 01:03:47.785 --> 01:03:49.366 [SPEAKER_04]: And I needed to get out of that. 01:03:49.406 --> 01:03:57.511 [SPEAKER_04]: So there was this element of maturing and recognizing that he wanted to move beyond and better himself. 01:03:58.591 --> 01:03:58.831 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah. 01:04:01.300 --> 01:04:02.617 [SPEAKER_03]: It was all very positive. 01:04:05.262 --> 01:04:17.910 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, yeah, yeah, so he had gotten into, well, while he was doing time at Conqueror, he applied to get into Emerson College, their program, their partnership with the prison system in Massachusetts, and he got in the facility at Conqueror. 01:04:18.050 --> 01:04:32.639 [SPEAKER_04]: At that time, it was crumbling, like the heating and ventilation were whack, the building infrastructure is crumbling, the pipes weren't doing so hot, so the state looked into it and they're like, oh, we can say 15 to 16 million dollars a year by closing down MCI Conqueror. 01:04:33.419 --> 01:04:38.082 [SPEAKER_04]: and transferring the inmates and staff across the other 14 prisons and Massachusetts. 01:04:38.803 --> 01:04:48.510 [SPEAKER_04]: So he transfers over to MCI Norfolk and Norfolk Massachusetts and he graduated from Emerson program with a major in media studies and a minor in economics. 01:04:49.490 --> 01:04:51.311 [SPEAKER_04]: And that's pretty cool. 01:04:51.552 --> 01:04:52.012 [SPEAKER_04]: I love it. 01:04:52.032 --> 01:04:54.113 [SPEAKER_04]: When we see college programs and prisons as we know. 01:04:55.014 --> 01:04:55.214 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah. 01:04:55.434 --> 01:04:55.654 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah. 01:04:55.695 --> 01:04:56.075 [SPEAKER_03]: Absolutely. 01:04:56.095 --> 01:04:59.257 [SPEAKER_03]: And again, if somebody taken advantage of the opportunity to make 01:05:01.261 --> 01:05:12.799 [SPEAKER_03]: You know, you hope people in any situation, no matter what it is, you know, see sees what they have in front of them and and can do something with it and give their best effort and get things something out of it. 01:05:12.879 --> 01:05:13.019 [SPEAKER_03]: So 01:05:13.828 --> 01:05:19.489 [SPEAKER_03]: Um, had you been to, you had been to, um, that prison before closed, right? 01:05:19.589 --> 01:05:23.170 [SPEAKER_03]: hadn't you done some training there or something or some research there? 01:05:23.750 --> 01:05:24.710 [SPEAKER_03]: I did some research. 01:05:24.810 --> 01:05:29.792 [SPEAKER_04]: I had done several interviews with corrections officers when I was at Northeastern. 01:05:29.832 --> 01:05:39.554 [SPEAKER_04]: There was a project in my, my advisor to Tasha Frost was working on a, uh, a project about corrections officer stress and eventually a project on corrections officer suicide. 01:05:39.594 --> 01:05:39.854 [SPEAKER_04]: So I, 01:05:41.054 --> 01:05:52.985 [SPEAKER_04]: got the opportunity to interview a lot of the CEOs there and and I'd actually been previously to the Northeastern Correctional Center for the same purpose and had enjoyed a meal there and their luncheonette previously. 01:05:53.005 --> 01:06:03.954 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah well by it had been 10 years or so so it was great to be back have a refresher and get to get to enjoy the experience all over again with my beloved co-host here. 01:06:07.332 --> 01:06:24.297 [SPEAKER_04]: So, yeah, I've been in most of the Massachusetts facilities at this point, I believe, including a couple closed ones, I think, and it's, it's a great experience to see presence, which as you know, we strongly endorse that on this podcast, just getting to see your presence. 01:06:24.837 --> 01:06:28.158 [SPEAKER_03]: Well, and that's one thing, I think, you know, it needs to be, 01:06:30.945 --> 01:06:37.447 [SPEAKER_03]: The fact that there's so much of our punishment machine that we have in this country is hidden behind walls. 01:06:39.407 --> 01:06:44.308 [SPEAKER_03]: I really think that that's something that should not be so hidden. 01:06:44.428 --> 01:06:46.289 [SPEAKER_03]: I think we need to be in a different spot. 01:06:46.469 --> 01:06:56.391 [SPEAKER_03]: I don't know about right now, but I think we need to be in a different spot if more society knew what the realities were of prisons and jails in our country. 01:06:59.992 --> 01:07:08.818 [SPEAKER_03]: keep so much of it hidden behind the wall or behind a fence or and we put them in areas where nobody lives. 01:07:08.879 --> 01:07:13.842 [SPEAKER_03]: So, you know, if something occurs, it doesn't get the attention it deserves. 01:07:15.183 --> 01:07:15.883 [SPEAKER_04]: totally agree. 01:07:16.024 --> 01:07:20.166 [SPEAKER_04]: And I don't know, you're also someone who's been to a lot of prisons. 01:07:20.366 --> 01:07:21.707 [SPEAKER_04]: So I don't know how you feel about this. 01:07:21.747 --> 01:07:34.195 [SPEAKER_04]: But one thing I think about is I wish that there were more opportunities for prison administrators to see how other prisons and jails are doing it, to get other ideas and break out of this status quo mold. 01:07:34.695 --> 01:07:38.177 [SPEAKER_04]: And at least that way we can have some fresh ideas into the system. 01:07:38.617 --> 01:07:40.859 [SPEAKER_04]: People can be inspired, people can innovate, 01:07:44.961 --> 01:07:47.984 [SPEAKER_04]: looking through evidence based programs by seeing new places. 01:07:48.644 --> 01:08:00.935 [SPEAKER_04]: Why has nobody seen this place and said, hey, we should have a prison restaurant like that could attract people to the prison and just offer some kind of program for people to help them get back on their feet. 01:08:01.936 --> 01:08:06.279 [SPEAKER_04]: It's interesting that nobody has taken this opportunity, but I'm glad that one exists. 01:08:07.253 --> 01:08:36.760 [SPEAKER_03]: Right, right, and, you know, I would think something like this is very achievable in most states and multiple ones in most states I would think, you know, I understand, you know, it's just wearing my and goal prison rodeo and I had it on at the supermarket this morning and somebody stopped me and said, Oh, I'm from Louisiana and I've never been then and it's I just know it's it's one of the greatest things that exist inside prisons and 01:08:37.600 --> 01:08:45.128 [SPEAKER_03]: And so she asked me a little bit about it, and of course I told her about the class and the trip and you know something that we try and get too often. 01:08:45.248 --> 01:08:48.892 [SPEAKER_03]: And then she asked me she goes, why don't we see more of that across the country? 01:08:49.012 --> 01:08:49.233 [SPEAKER_03]: Well, 01:08:50.605 --> 01:09:02.011 [SPEAKER_03]: Angola is just a unique situation in terms of the size of the place and, um, and, you know, then being able to build an arena, I can understand why that doesn't exist everywhere. 01:09:02.872 --> 01:09:13.198 [SPEAKER_03]: Why don't we have more of these types of, you know, situations where, um, we have a restaurant, which is, again, it's something achievable, uh, and, and, and, 01:09:13.838 --> 01:09:14.819 [SPEAKER_03]: you know, every state. 01:09:15.359 --> 01:09:29.106 [SPEAKER_03]: Why don't we have, hey, we're going to, those, those inmates who work with the dogs, you know, maybe if you're part of the program, but you don't have a dog right now, you can help us and we're going to start up the small dog grooming. 01:09:31.456 --> 01:09:37.080 [SPEAKER_03]: You know, store, whatever we want to call it, salon for those who have the fancy dogs, right? 01:09:37.721 --> 01:09:44.486 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, yeah, so that they can interact with people on the outside and they can start learning about business themselves. 01:09:44.606 --> 01:09:58.617 [SPEAKER_03]: It's there are a lot of these little opportunities like that that I think that unless it shows the possibility of making a monster profit Governors and commissioners of the Department of Corrections won't even consider. 01:10:01.493 --> 01:10:06.054 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, and even on a small scale, something like this can be a success for the people in it. 01:10:06.654 --> 01:10:13.236 [SPEAKER_04]: If you can reduce recidivism, if you can help people find job skills and find something that they like to do, like cooking and awesome. 01:10:13.656 --> 01:10:14.196 [SPEAKER_04]: It's a win. 01:10:14.736 --> 01:10:20.438 [SPEAKER_04]: Get them out, find them like something on the outside that is not going back to what they were already doing. 01:10:22.158 --> 01:10:24.219 [SPEAKER_04]: Anyway, we need to wrap up this conversation. 01:10:24.419 --> 01:10:27.920 [SPEAKER_04]: I'm going to ask you to, how many soups would you give this experience? 01:10:29.317 --> 01:10:43.588 [SPEAKER_03]: I mean, Bronson got zero soups, so, yeah, you see, I'm telling you, but think about the opportunity to hang out with the three of us, that in and of itself moved it up several soups. 01:10:43.768 --> 01:10:52.875 [SPEAKER_03]: And then we were doing something that exists anywhere else is positive for inmates and people in society. 01:10:58.066 --> 01:10:59.888 [SPEAKER_04]: Five, super experience, baby. 01:11:00.088 --> 01:11:00.268 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah. 01:11:01.309 --> 01:11:02.751 [SPEAKER_04]: Producer Britt, hit me with yours. 01:11:03.792 --> 01:11:06.535 [SPEAKER_02]: You know, I'm gonna give it to ratings here. 01:11:06.895 --> 01:11:09.057 [SPEAKER_02]: Meals was fine, totally serviceable. 01:11:09.738 --> 01:11:11.079 [SPEAKER_02]: Nothing, nothing great. 01:11:11.339 --> 01:11:16.725 [SPEAKER_02]: I'm gonna give them meal three soups, but the experience five soups all around. 01:11:18.675 --> 01:11:22.719 [SPEAKER_04]: I'm also going five soups on this experience, my friends, because this is a unique one. 01:11:23.299 --> 01:11:25.922 [SPEAKER_04]: And I'm, I enjoyed my meal. 01:11:26.422 --> 01:11:31.186 [SPEAKER_04]: It's nothing like the Michelin star chef is going to go, oh, I should take inspiration from this. 01:11:31.587 --> 01:11:32.888 [SPEAKER_04]: But it is tasty. 01:11:33.048 --> 01:11:34.129 [SPEAKER_04]: It's flavorful. 01:11:34.810 --> 01:11:37.232 [SPEAKER_04]: And it's a cool experience. 01:11:37.472 --> 01:11:38.072 [SPEAKER_04]: Go check it out. 01:11:38.213 --> 01:11:40.395 [SPEAKER_04]: If you live in the New England area, what are you doing? 01:11:40.895 --> 01:11:45.958 [SPEAKER_04]: What are you doing, listening to us for each VF, your butt right now, running, running a conquered Massachusetts. 01:11:45.978 --> 01:11:51.121 [SPEAKER_03]: Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, they should listen to us on the way, they're pulling a good point. 01:11:51.161 --> 01:11:53.303 [SPEAKER_03]: Oh, it's a long run that they have podcasts on and. 01:11:54.048 --> 01:11:54.929 [SPEAKER_03]: listen to us on the way. 01:11:55.529 --> 01:11:55.769 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah. 01:11:55.789 --> 01:11:55.949 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah. 01:11:55.969 --> 01:11:56.069 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah. 01:11:56.169 --> 01:11:58.090 [SPEAKER_04]: And enjoy the tones of our voice is perfect. 01:11:58.130 --> 01:11:58.450 [SPEAKER_04]: All right. 01:11:58.550 --> 01:12:01.372 [SPEAKER_04]: If five star experience all around, get out there. 01:12:01.552 --> 01:12:04.213 [SPEAKER_04]: And the people who work there are willing to talk to you. 01:12:04.833 --> 01:12:05.053 [SPEAKER_04]: Eddie. 01:12:05.133 --> 01:12:05.314 [SPEAKER_04]: Yes. 01:12:05.374 --> 01:12:07.275 [SPEAKER_04]: Eddie Jacobs is a Wheeler and dealer. 01:12:07.435 --> 01:12:10.156 [SPEAKER_04]: He watched this guy walking around, talking to the regulars. 01:12:10.896 --> 01:12:12.357 [SPEAKER_04]: The man owns his space. 01:12:12.897 --> 01:12:14.398 [SPEAKER_04]: He's just started a conversation with them. 01:12:14.818 --> 01:12:16.419 [SPEAKER_04]: Him and the people work in there. 01:12:16.439 --> 01:12:17.580 [SPEAKER_04]: They're they're cool. 01:12:17.600 --> 01:12:18.480 [SPEAKER_04]: They're willing to talk to you. 01:12:18.700 --> 01:12:19.100 [SPEAKER_04]: And would 01:12:24.583 --> 01:12:26.904 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, all right. 01:12:26.924 --> 01:12:28.964 [SPEAKER_04]: So that has been the five and drum. 01:12:30.244 --> 01:12:37.166 [SPEAKER_04]: Let's move on to our favorite segment of the pod a movie a minute 01:12:49.380 --> 01:13:09.432 [SPEAKER_02]: Hey, let's put 60 seconds on the clock, so Mercy from 2026 is a crime thriller directed by Timmyr Beckman Betoff, best known for directing Abraham Lincoln Vampire Hunter, and the universally maligned War of the Worlds from 2025. 01:13:10.153 --> 01:13:12.114 [SPEAKER_02]: This movie was produced by Amazon. 01:13:18.608 --> 01:13:31.072 [SPEAKER_02]: The movie starts Chris Pratt as Detective Chris Raven, a detective who is a strong proponent of an AI court in which a computer, as played by Rebecca Ferguson, is the judge, jury, and executioner. 01:13:31.872 --> 01:13:43.616 [SPEAKER_02]: In 90-minute trials in which the defendant must defend themselves and has basically universal access to the surveillance state that the cops have in order to drop the reasonable doubt below 93% on a gamified meter. 01:13:46.939 --> 01:13:54.664 [SPEAKER_02]: this film is so full of logical holes, things that do not make sense on any level. 01:13:55.344 --> 01:14:04.090 [SPEAKER_02]: It's dystopic to a point where basic rights of due process are just like not even discussed, not even considered. 01:14:05.040 --> 01:14:13.183 [SPEAKER_02]: I do wonder if this is just Amazon trying to make such a world more acceptable and believable to usher in the coming dystopia. 01:14:14.303 --> 01:14:17.564 [SPEAKER_02]: The politics of the film are, in a word, dismal. 01:14:18.545 --> 01:14:23.327 [SPEAKER_02]: The entire premise is basically turning due process into a video game. 01:14:24.887 --> 01:14:32.310 [SPEAKER_02]: Although the film ultimately comes out, kind of against the AI justice system, it still doesn't quite make a villain out of the idea like it should. 01:14:33.285 --> 01:14:42.796 [SPEAKER_02]: It's so dumb that I found myself getting dumber watching this film because, and I hate to admit this, I liked it a lot more than I thought I would. 01:14:46.060 --> 01:14:49.504 [SPEAKER_02]: I watched this movie on a five and a half hour flight, and you know what? 01:14:50.045 --> 01:14:52.267 [SPEAKER_02]: It is a perfectly acceptable airplane film. 01:14:53.008 --> 01:15:16.747 [SPEAKER_02]: It's fucking dumb, but it has a lot of twists that kind of keep you guessing, it's acted just fine, nothing impressive, but nothing blatantly terrible, and there's some fun action, and honestly I can't hate on it for being a PG-13 film because I grew up watching PG-13 action films, and we honestly need some more dumb PG-13 films for the children. 01:15:18.038 --> 01:15:21.739 [SPEAKER_02]: Ultimately, it was totally fine, acceptable. 01:15:22.279 --> 01:15:24.220 [SPEAKER_02]: Very stupid, but kind of fun. 01:15:24.940 --> 01:15:27.641 [SPEAKER_02]: Ultimately, two and a half out of five soups. 01:15:28.742 --> 01:15:29.222 [SPEAKER_04]: Wow. 01:15:29.302 --> 01:15:30.542 [SPEAKER_04]: That's higher than I thought. 01:15:30.562 --> 01:15:32.583 [SPEAKER_04]: It was so much higher than the bad film. 01:15:33.043 --> 01:15:33.583 [SPEAKER_02]: Almost. 01:15:33.743 --> 01:15:34.163 [SPEAKER_02]: Almost. 01:15:34.264 --> 01:15:37.305 [SPEAKER_02]: It was I was surprised by the end of it. 01:15:37.485 --> 01:15:41.346 [SPEAKER_02]: And I was like, did I kind of enjoy that? 01:15:42.568 --> 01:15:55.116 [SPEAKER_02]: I think I kind of didn't hate that at least, so there's that, um, yeah, uh, if you're taking an airplane ride in the near future, download it, watch it. 01:15:55.436 --> 01:15:57.017 [SPEAKER_02]: It's a airplane film. 01:15:59.659 --> 01:16:09.225 [SPEAKER_04]: I would like to hear, okay, the 2026 film Mercy, what, what would the character uncle Jesse from Full House have to say about it? 01:16:09.905 --> 01:16:10.566 [SPEAKER_02]: Have mercy. 01:16:12.168 --> 01:16:13.109 [SPEAKER_04]: That's right. 01:16:14.310 --> 01:16:21.475 [SPEAKER_04]: I watched an eight or nine minutes super cut of all the times Uncle Jesse said have mercy in the show full house and you know what? 01:16:22.756 --> 01:16:37.827 [SPEAKER_04]: The man's got it amazing you should have your time I Was feeding a small infant at the time and Why not no now don't don't you dare blame your child for that you watch I'm not here. 01:16:37.847 --> 01:16:38.928 [SPEAKER_03]: He's sitting on a toilet 01:16:39.428 --> 01:16:40.689 [SPEAKER_04]: You enjoyed watching it too. 01:16:40.769 --> 01:16:41.769 [SPEAKER_04]: This is for kids. 01:16:42.370 --> 01:16:43.290 [SPEAKER_04]: I want him to grow up full. 01:16:43.310 --> 01:16:44.031 [SPEAKER_04]: Like Uncle Jesse. 01:16:44.051 --> 01:16:45.191 [SPEAKER_04]: This is a Greek child. 01:16:46.792 --> 01:16:47.072 [SPEAKER_02]: True. 01:16:47.192 --> 01:16:47.452 [SPEAKER_02]: True. 01:16:48.373 --> 01:16:48.793 [SPEAKER_02]: All right. 01:16:50.094 --> 01:16:50.454 [SPEAKER_02]: Okay. 01:16:50.574 --> 01:16:51.014 [SPEAKER_02]: Judges. 01:16:51.094 --> 01:16:53.496 [SPEAKER_02]: Do you have something to sentence me for next time? 01:16:54.416 --> 01:16:56.637 [SPEAKER_03]: I do and you know, everyone's in a while. 01:16:56.717 --> 01:17:04.802 [SPEAKER_03]: I feel bad for producer for it in terms of some of the absolute pilot dog shits that we ask him to watch. 01:17:05.262 --> 01:17:05.382 [SPEAKER_03]: So 01:17:07.115 --> 01:17:09.576 [SPEAKER_03]: I'm hoping this one might be a little more intriguing. 01:17:10.896 --> 01:17:24.299 [SPEAKER_03]: I don't know if it'll be any better in terms of a plot or whatever, but it's a movie from 2007 that had weird, like, hard time getting released. 01:17:25.059 --> 01:17:33.161 [SPEAKER_03]: So it was, it's a pseudo-documentary called the Bikipsy tapes. 01:17:34.368 --> 01:17:34.608 [SPEAKER_03]: Okay. 01:17:34.628 --> 01:17:39.332 [SPEAKER_03]: And so it's a pseudo documentary horror film. 01:17:39.433 --> 01:17:41.314 [SPEAKER_03]: And I'm thinking that you might enjoy it. 01:17:41.654 --> 01:17:41.955 [SPEAKER_02]: All right. 01:17:42.155 --> 01:17:43.096 [SPEAKER_03]: The Bikipsy tapes. 01:17:43.936 --> 01:17:44.157 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah. 01:17:44.177 --> 01:17:44.937 [SPEAKER_03]: Bikipsy tapes. 01:17:45.278 --> 01:17:45.558 [SPEAKER_03]: All right. 01:17:45.578 --> 01:17:46.198 [SPEAKER_03]: I'll check it out. 01:17:47.279 --> 01:17:47.560 [SPEAKER_03]: So. 01:17:50.022 --> 01:17:50.442 [SPEAKER_04]: All right. 01:17:50.742 --> 01:17:51.843 [SPEAKER_04]: That sounds intriguing. 01:17:52.244 --> 01:17:53.245 [SPEAKER_04]: I have questions. 01:17:53.305 --> 01:17:54.746 [SPEAKER_04]: So the Bikipsy tapes. 01:17:54.826 --> 01:17:55.166 [SPEAKER_04]: All right. 01:17:55.367 --> 01:17:57.108 [SPEAKER_04]: We got something on board for next time. 01:17:57.909 --> 01:17:58.129 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah. 01:17:59.912 --> 01:18:04.574 [SPEAKER_04]: And I do have a library locked down. 01:18:04.594 --> 01:18:07.556 [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, maybe we save it for next time. 01:18:07.576 --> 01:18:09.377 [SPEAKER_02]: We're going super long on this episode. 01:18:09.617 --> 01:18:11.518 [SPEAKER_02]: OK, yeah, let's see if it's time for next time. 01:18:11.578 --> 01:18:12.318 [SPEAKER_02]: How about lunch? 01:18:13.579 --> 01:18:14.919 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, this is a long-up episode. 01:18:15.920 --> 01:18:16.260 [SPEAKER_04]: All right. 01:18:16.800 --> 01:18:17.981 [SPEAKER_04]: So yeah, cut this part. 01:18:18.221 --> 01:18:24.564 [SPEAKER_04]: And one more time, we want to thank our sponsor, Roger Williams University School of Justice studies. 01:18:25.057 --> 01:18:25.758 [SPEAKER_03]: 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