[SPEAKER_01]: Welcome to the Laura Hounds podcast.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm John.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm a paid angry peasant protester.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm Alicia here to trace letters on your back so that we can pretend to guess them wrong.
[SPEAKER_02]: And today we're closing on our second home in Solsolido and talking about the Vampire Listat on AMC Plus season one episode to Toledo or if you prefer season three of interview with Vampire.
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[SPEAKER_01]: All right, well, we are in-screener territory now.
[SPEAKER_01]: So this will come out at 10 o'clock PM.
[SPEAKER_01]: on Sunday, June 14th right after the afternoon right after the episode is on cable.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: So spoiler warning have here.
[SPEAKER_01]: This is, you know, everything that's happened in the show so far.
[SPEAKER_01]: We're not going to talk about the, what's it called after the, after the floor.
[SPEAKER_01]: After dark.
[SPEAKER_01]: Thank you.
[SPEAKER_01]: After dark, because that's behind a different, it's a different embargo, but we will talk about things that have already happened in the show when it happens in the box.
[SPEAKER_01]: So,
[SPEAKER_01]: That's the spoiler warning, Alicia.
[SPEAKER_02]: And we have, we're going to do our inside the coffin bid at the after the credits, too, for the book's boilers, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: Right, right.
[SPEAKER_01]: So if you want to hear how it fits into the larger book timeline, you can stick around after the credits.
[SPEAKER_02]: Um, yeah, so this one, speaking of book, I, I noticed there was some book reader meltdown going on online, um, I think this is, we happened to re-recording this the day where releasing it to the episode is out in the public, and I think probably in the future, I don't know, we'll see how it works out, but we might be recording it before that, um, but so I could get to see, I guess,
[SPEAKER_02]: I guess I'm not surprised by it, but I also like, I didn't mind the fact to be honest that they ended up fast forwarding through, you know, a lot of, of the vampire list at book is Listot's Back Story.
[SPEAKER_02]: And here they're like, listen, he went to a monastery, got some education, he went to the theater, and now this is happening.
[SPEAKER_02]: And of course, we'll go back to the theater stuff because we already know from trailers that we're going to get more of Nikki.
[SPEAKER_02]: But I didn't mind them speeding through that because like I guess because I have read the book just re-read the book And so you know, they didn't mess with that backstory at all.
[SPEAKER_02]: They they lifted pieces from it and kept it intact.
[SPEAKER_02]: I understand with the wolf fight
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't know.
[SPEAKER_02]: I would rather have gotten just get what we got than like, you know, some horrible CGI will fight that they couldn't really afford.
[SPEAKER_02]: So I think they made some smart decisions there.
[SPEAKER_02]: I understand why people are disappointed, but I think most of all, what I love about this show is the modern stuff.
[SPEAKER_02]: I loved all the stuff into by the last seasons and I love, you know, seeing all the stuff with the band and Christine is quick becoming a favorite of mine.
[SPEAKER_02]: guy like I love seeing the band learn that there are now three vampires on the bus with them just a life full to me like the legal stuff we'll talk about yeah what did you think of this episode
[SPEAKER_01]: I thought it was fantastic.
[SPEAKER_01]: I wasn't having a meltdown about anything.
[SPEAKER_01]: The one thing that disappointed me a little bit on fast forwarding was Gabriella being transformed.
[SPEAKER_01]: I thought that they could have milk that scene a little bit.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: They did not do it enough in that I thought that was, and that's not something you needed a lot of CGI budget for.
[SPEAKER_01]: I hear that on the wolf thing, but you could have had an actual scene of Gabriella being transformed.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: They did it.
[SPEAKER_02]: I like the musical montage, but yeah, oh, okay.
[SPEAKER_02]: So here's my one thing about the Gabriella thing is that I liked the fact that as soon as her first kill was she took his clothes and was like, I don't want to dress as a woman anymore.
[SPEAKER_02]: And now I don't have to.
[SPEAKER_02]: And this started wearing men's clothes in, you know, the 18th century.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, and this was obviously not the case, and also that she used to, she in the books, there's like a whole bit about where she afterwards, she wanted to cut her hair short, but it kept just growing back whenever she went to coffin, and she was really frustrated about it here.
[SPEAKER_02]: It seems like she's able to do that, or she's cutting it off every morning.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, maybe she's just, uh, just you have a barber on retainer.
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know, or she's just I probably just gotten good at it in 200 years, right?
[SPEAKER_02]: Right.
[SPEAKER_02]: Or they just got rid of that and hair.
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't know.
[SPEAKER_02]: Does hair grow?
[SPEAKER_02]: Or does it stay magically the same like in the books?
[SPEAKER_02]: Or how does it work?
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know.
[SPEAKER_02]: They told us about P. Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, it looks like it is the P thing from the book or did they add for the show?
[SPEAKER_02]: I think I don't recall any P thing.
[SPEAKER_02]: And if there's any book readers who remember a
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, what's Anne writes a stance on piss?
[SPEAKER_02]: Vampireists specifically.
[SPEAKER_01]: Right.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, no, I thought it was a great episode.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think that the show is telling us the period pieces over don't expect it anymore.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's it's done.
[SPEAKER_01]: We're going to pull from period stuff where it serves the character development, but this is a sad story going forward.
[SPEAKER_01]: And this is the world story going forward.
[SPEAKER_01]: Um, they are especially, I mean, they're explicitly telling us this is the story of how you woke our Kasha, right?
[SPEAKER_02]: Mm-hmm.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: They said that in the show.
[SPEAKER_01]: Mm-hmm.
[SPEAKER_01]: So, that's, that's the story we're telling.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I'm glad that they're being upfront about that because I think people would be disappointed if they were expecting the period piece, but they didn't get it.
[SPEAKER_02]: Right.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, and I think we will get a bit more as I said, uh, the preview for, for next week's episode shows some dipping back into this timeline as we would expect, but yeah, yeah, we're not getting much of childless data to the monastery unless we do because who knows, that's not like they have a strict order in which they tell this story.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, that's true.
[SPEAKER_01]: They've already been jumping around a lot.
[SPEAKER_01]: But yeah, I'm okay with them skipping more of the period piece of stuff.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think that that's the most exhausting part of the 90s movie is like the 1700s and 1800s beds.
[SPEAKER_01]: So I, I'm okay with it.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm doing fine with it.
[SPEAKER_01]: I bet.
[SPEAKER_00]: I bet.
[SPEAKER_01]: All right.
[SPEAKER_01]: Shall we get into the episode?
[SPEAKER_02]: Let's do it.
[SPEAKER_01]: Alright, bring us back to over in France, 1772.
[SPEAKER_02]: A young and stuttering Lestatili and Core is scouted for a monastic house while his family taunts him.
[SPEAKER_02]: Gabriela taunts Lestat's father back.
[SPEAKER_02]: Cabbage is.
[SPEAKER_02]: We fast forward to Lestat as a teenager, while his father complains of the boy hanging out with theater kids, Gabriela and Lestat tease their family calling them Cabbage heads.
[SPEAKER_02]: Now an adult Lestat watches his father fail to address a local wolf pack.
[SPEAKER_02]: Gabriela declares, dares let's start to do it himself and let's start fight off eight wolves, losing his horse and dog in the process and appearing traumatized.
[SPEAKER_02]: When the stop returns, Gabriela tells him the servants are ready to worship him, but tells him she won't survive consumption in the winter, but she won't leave with an edible bedtime story.
[SPEAKER_02]: Jesus Christ, you are being...
[SPEAKER_02]: So that story, do line for line from the book.
[SPEAKER_02]: But I love that they added that there's a made standing there giving side.
[SPEAKER_01]: I like what the fuck lady right right She's like look I'm paid not to judge, but I'm judging that's something that I really like when Books and this is it's big in the live-ship creator series and I'm reading right now Like servants are everywhere and servants are how the royal gossip gets around
[SPEAKER_01]: because that's all they have right there just past and stuff around.
[SPEAKER_01]: I did miss write something Gabrielle tells him that the peasants basically are ready to worship if not the servants.
[SPEAKER_01]: But yeah, I really like this.
[SPEAKER_01]: I love the wolf thing.
[SPEAKER_01]: I kind of like that last episode they teased it with, oh, I let it to find me for a while, but here they're like, yeah, but that's that's the oldest spot.
[SPEAKER_01]: We're in new listot territory.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, although I'll say I do wish there had been just like a couple more dogs.
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't think that would have been a really difficult thing to do to have like three dogs run into the brush.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, right.
[SPEAKER_02]: Because yeah, let's start to raise like a pack of dogs.
[SPEAKER_02]: I hope he gets a dog later in the series.
[SPEAKER_02]: He does in the books.
[SPEAKER_02]: Sorry if that's a spoiler.
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't think that's a big spoiler, but yeah, no, I hope he gets a dog too.
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, so there's a lot in this.
[SPEAKER_01]: I summarize a big part of the episode, but
[SPEAKER_01]: First of all, the editable stuff is just making me go ill ill every time and I like how at the very end Lestot says fuck it.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's just different for vampires.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's it.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah I love that he calls it an edit epiphany.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah
[SPEAKER_02]: But the thing is like, okay, this is previewing the rest of our conversation for the episode, but it is, there is like, it is the most tab incess, like when I talk about Game of Thrones on like, yeah, but at least they never do mother child.
[SPEAKER_02]: Here we go.
[SPEAKER_02]: But,
[SPEAKER_02]: They do have like a genuinely complex chemistry, these two actors, so like they're selling it, not in a way that makes it look desirable, but in a way that you can believe it.
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't know if you hear that.
[SPEAKER_01]: No, I believe it.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's just Aki.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: But I love he's like basically she's fun.
[SPEAKER_02]: It makes me happy.
[SPEAKER_02]: Incess by the way, started at the beginning of humanity, girls, how are we here?
[SPEAKER_02]: It wasn't a crime.
[SPEAKER_02]: It wasn't like a main crime in the 18th century.
[SPEAKER_02]: She was dying.
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't know what that has to do with anything.
[SPEAKER_02]: And it's different when your vampires, which is the book, canon, excuse me.
[SPEAKER_01]: Right, that's just okay.
[SPEAKER_01]: Anyway, I'm not going to complain about injustice entire season because I think that we'll get exhausting, but I just wanted to say that I felt so achy this entire time with them, but there's there's a lot here other than that, like I really like so there's this great attention to detail on Gabriella and her Italian
[SPEAKER_01]: heritage, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: This this clanging storytelling and heritage you have.
[SPEAKER_01]: The fact that, you know, I think in the book, because the book is narrated by Lestat, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: And so he says Gabrielle.
[SPEAKER_01]: In the book, and in the show, I think they're just simplifying that going to Gabrielle, which would be the Italian version.
[SPEAKER_01]: Um, but she yells in her Italian language, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: She's, she's always doing this.
[SPEAKER_01]: Um, very much like, uh, Lestat's crash out with, uh, I can't ever say it, but like his French profanity is later with Louis in the, in the Harvard Mediterranean.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm like, go fuck yourself.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Right.
[SPEAKER_01]: Um, and then,
[SPEAKER_01]: the fact that she has this crash out, you know, at the dinner table, when Lestat's a teenager, and I was like, this is just Lestat.
[SPEAKER_01]: This is just Lestat.
[SPEAKER_01]: So when you say they have the twist to chemistry, yes, because they are actually the two sides of the same person.
[SPEAKER_01]: And later, when they're crafting there, she says, let's weave a basket and fill it with lies.
[SPEAKER_01]: And she says, and I saw myself in you,
[SPEAKER_01]: And I think that's truth, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: The best lines have some truth in it.
[SPEAKER_01]: This just sees herself in Lestad and is like, she's banging herself, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: Like that's just what this is.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I don't know if that makes us better or worse.
[SPEAKER_02]: But it's also like, when she tells him the, theiki story about wanting to be a slut, she,
[SPEAKER_02]: Like he says to her she says like I want to be, you know, free and no of no of all men, you know, and the starts like accept me right and she's like, anyway.
[SPEAKER_01]: Right, I know.
[SPEAKER_01]: I know.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm thinking about stuff from the book too that I've read, but go on.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'll put it in the, put it in the, um, in the coffin.
[SPEAKER_02]: Put it in the coffin.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's a good way to put it for after.
[SPEAKER_02]: Um, yeah, I have to bring up a couple things.
[SPEAKER_02]: Uh, one is that, and you, you cut this out of the last episode, and you're right.
[SPEAKER_02]: We should wait for this episode for me to say that Jennifer
[SPEAKER_02]: at a Reddit AMA a few weeks ago, she spoiled the fact that this has changed from the book where she and the stock kill the family instead of the peasants killing the family.
[SPEAKER_02]: So, I mean, I think that, like, the one brother, especially was so amusingly dickish like in this very French way.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm sure that was like, let's start exaggerating.
[SPEAKER_02]: He's exaggerating everything in this telling, and I'm sure it's like in a way, sort of justifying their murder by just making them the most gross example possible.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I don't know what do you think?
[SPEAKER_01]: I, yes, I think that's true.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I think Lestot is a hypocrite at heart.
[SPEAKER_01]: He is so mad at Louie for getting some details wrong, but he's absolutely getting details wrong.
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, later you see in the the scene with Daniel and Louie, he's like, was it in a restaurant with a view?
[SPEAKER_01]: I say it was like, okay, well, so you're wrong, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: Like, you're probably wrong.
[SPEAKER_02]: Right.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: So let's start.
[SPEAKER_01]: We're just going to have to live with that level of a bakersay.
[SPEAKER_02]: Right.
[SPEAKER_01]: I do want to talk more about him murdering his family later, but I have notes for that later, but I want to get through some more of the episode first so I can draw some parallels.
[SPEAKER_02]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_02]: About the perspective thing though, one thing I'm going to say in my heart takes is that fresh takes are calling it, is that I'm noticing I'm wondering if the black and
[SPEAKER_02]: Daniel's documentary, is that the only thing we can take at face, take at face value?
[SPEAKER_02]: Like every once in a while, we'll see like something will flip to black my footage.
[SPEAKER_02]: So like, okay, Louie was really sitting there, but probably everything else that happens around that is in color, okay, is exaggerated, all the other stuff.
[SPEAKER_01]: Hmm.
[SPEAKER_01]: I like this idea.
[SPEAKER_01]: I like this idea that that's the only, you know, just straight-up
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, so we can establish they were talking on the bus, but list out many of take-ins on liberties with how things were set or something like that.
[SPEAKER_02]: Um, I do also want to acknowledge that a lot of people are complaining and I understand about the fake accents on the show.
[SPEAKER_02]: If there's one thing I'll give the show, it is the fake accents when I was rewatching the last two seasons.
[SPEAKER_02]: I forgot that they had, someone they said is a Belgian woman who comes up on stage at the Teatro de Vompire.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, she was actually apparently like an art director or something who filled it into that role and did an amazing job, and I could understand her Dutch, but it was clearly Like she was saying good like the English way and stuff, you know, and I think yeah, if there's one thing They could get a little more budget for would be dialect coaches Although it's impressive like the the Louisiana accent and stuff that they do in English
[SPEAKER_02]: And some of them are really good.
[SPEAKER_02]: I think a better French than others.
[SPEAKER_02]: Like us as a man who plays Armand, I think he's the best at the French.
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_01]: I haven't gotten a lot of Armand yet, but see them.
[SPEAKER_02]: No, I know.
[SPEAKER_01]: Murder Grumman is underground, I guess.
[SPEAKER_02]: But we got, we'll talk about it afterwards, but we got a nice tease about his relationship with Daniel.
[SPEAKER_01]: One more thing before we leave the scene, I too would be furious if my children got involved with theater kids.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, I'm with Listot's dad.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm just kidding.
[SPEAKER_01]: Theater kids are cool with me.
[SPEAKER_02]: I was the theater kid.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm joking around.
[SPEAKER_01]: I did a play in middle school, so I'm going to say I'm a theater kid light, and I hung around with a lot of the theater kids.
[SPEAKER_01]: Also, interesting that Gabriella, you know, representation for women getting health care before it was mainstream, paid a mid-weft to nicker in the womb.
[SPEAKER_01]: So she's not in the birth anymore, children.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, anyway, uh, details I just wanted to flag, but let's move on to Christine who is going to bring up the NDA, uh, listot awakens to his manager, Christine telling the band to respect their NDA with respect to the vampiric activities of the previous night.
[SPEAKER_01]: So Fia, quote unquote, has joined the tour bus after Listot answers some questions and reads his bandmates' minds, only Alex decides to leave the band.
[SPEAKER_01]: Listot telepathically encourages Alex to return, and Daniel's just having fun with it.
[SPEAKER_02]: I love, like, so I rewatched this scene a few times and all the things that they're shouting at him are hilarious all the questions that they ask him.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like, when black liquorice about sucking blue is his dick.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, like, Louis, and then another one was like, do you play, do you play baseball, like, twilight?
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I thought it was really good too and like Twilight is such a my wife my as she loves Watching Twilight like hate watching Twilight because she's it's just so bad.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's just so bad.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's fun to like have a I don't hate it.
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't hate it.
[SPEAKER_02]: Like it's not my favorite thing, but I I had fun reading the books and then I had fun watching the movies
[SPEAKER_02]: I actually really like her other book of was it called Host or something?
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I know where you're talking about.
[SPEAKER_01]: I know where you're talking about.
[SPEAKER_02]: I like that one even better and I wish that there had been more heat on it and more sequels.
[SPEAKER_02]: Anyway.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, the point is, I enjoy that reference because I have recently asked Twilight.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I mean, the Stott Sparkle's too.
[SPEAKER_01]: He does sparkle.
[SPEAKER_01]: But, it is glitter, yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Uh, and can I confess something?
[SPEAKER_02]: Hmm.
[SPEAKER_01]: I also thought Black Lyck-Rice was about Louis at first.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So talk about the farm.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, so we learned there was like a lot of people wondering what is how does the farm work and it turns out I mean it just it makes sense.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's not really as exciting as maybe people were anticipating it just basically like yeah We got a lot of people who want money to donate their blood like
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: No, that makes sense.
[SPEAKER_02]: Although it is interesting that we hear later when the telemask it comes in talking about unsanctioned farms.
[SPEAKER_01]: Right.
[SPEAKER_02]: So those, yeah, control over it.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's more regulated than the FDA now.
[SPEAKER_02]: We'll also find out, I went down a little rabbit hole about this Gabriella says about this RH No blood, there's only like 45 people on the planet, it looks it up, it's said like 50, so yeah, and nine donors out there, and the thing this RH No, so we always think like A, B, A, B, O, positive, negative, it's actually a bit more complicated than that.
[SPEAKER_02]: I just learned
[SPEAKER_02]: But there is like this rare, the rarest blood type, our H.N.L.
[SPEAKER_02]: that has like none of these antigens, which means they can only receive donations from another our H.N.L.
[SPEAKER_02]: person.
[SPEAKER_02]: So if you have this blood type, they even tell people to freeze their blood.
[SPEAKER_02]: because it's going to be hard if they need, you know, if they have a bad accident or something and need a transfusion in the future.
[SPEAKER_02]: But on the other hand, this is the blood type that is the true universal donor that it is the safest for every other blood type out there.
[SPEAKER_02]: So it's actually is like super valuable and they're even trying to figure out how they might be able to create synthetic versions of it.
[SPEAKER_01]: Wow.
[SPEAKER_01]: And Gabriella, of course, is just like the most delicious.
[SPEAKER_01]: Definitely.
[SPEAKER_01]: Really.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's a rarity, so it tastes, it tastes as good as it costs, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: Right.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, we saw in the intro to the season that let's start to bottling his blood like wine.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, his blood would be valuable.
[SPEAKER_02]: That is powerful stuff.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: Did you see there's a fan poster theory going around?
[SPEAKER_01]: no.
[SPEAKER_02]: So, I say this because we see younger brother Alex stock off here and it supports the Finn poster theory, but so basically they released all these character posters for this season, and all each of the posters has either a pink or green
[SPEAKER_02]: writing on it like the characters name and their nickname whatever and the, you know, title the show and stuff.
[SPEAKER_02]: So the fan theory is that they are dividing up into two teams that are going to be at odds together.
[SPEAKER_02]: Because the pink team, according to this theory, is Lestat, Louis, Gabriella, Larry, and TC.
[SPEAKER_02]: and the green team is our mom, Daniel, Alex, the little brother, Salamander, and Yarda came out.
[SPEAKER_02]: People were like, Yarda, why is Yarda green?
[SPEAKER_02]: Now, Alex, leaving supports that, but Salamander stayed.
[SPEAKER_02]: So, I don't know what do you think, is there something to it or post it?
[SPEAKER_01]: I think they just watched Wikipedia to one of the same color scheme.
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know.
[SPEAKER_01]: No, I don't know.
[SPEAKER_01]: I have any more evidence.
[SPEAKER_01]: One character is not enough evidence here.
[SPEAKER_02]: Right.
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, the alignments here do seem natural, like obviously Louis and Gabriella are going to be on the stock side, Daniel is the fledgling of her mind, you know, that stuff makes sense.
[SPEAKER_02]: Except, Yardah, what?
[SPEAKER_02]: Why?
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm really looking forward to Louis and Gabriella having a conversation.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: Ooh.
[SPEAKER_02]: There's some delicious tension there.
[SPEAKER_01]: what what even is that conversation?
[SPEAKER_01]: What do you say to to each other?
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, wait, wait till we get to that scene, I suppose.
[SPEAKER_01]: All right.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, let's take a break and get back to it after work.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's
[SPEAKER_01]: companionship without the come.
[SPEAKER_01]: Stop yourselves everyone.
[SPEAKER_01]: Just stop yourselves.
[SPEAKER_02]: But they do keep showing him coming blood, too.
[SPEAKER_02]: Like that's the thing we haven't talked about yet, but anyway.
[SPEAKER_01]: These writers are too pleased with themselves.
[SPEAKER_01]: and they should do it yeah they should be but I just I sometimes they write a line and I'm like boo I just want to boo it it's a good line uh tell us about it please sure because I can't I don't think I can read the scene okay
[SPEAKER_02]: Let's start in Gabriella as Sophia make a pact while making lovey-dovey eyes at each other.
[SPEAKER_02]: The pair go to dinner, which consists of targeting some building glass salesmen on their night of ritualized satanalia.
[SPEAKER_02]: At the strip club with the final victim, let's start gets a call from Christine saying that he has to give Thomas Pitt the owner of the hotel he trashed, an exclusive fan experience
[SPEAKER_02]: family.
[SPEAKER_01]: Do you think they killed him?
[SPEAKER_02]: Um, yeah, no, I don't think, I mean, like, he was cheating on his family.
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't think they're feeling too bad about it.
[SPEAKER_02]: That is more of a thing in the book than we've seen here where this thought, or maybe this is something he'll grow developing to, but more about like him targeting, um, specifically, like people who you think are bad people.
[SPEAKER_01]: Right.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, he insists that, but it's his telling.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's not the very beginning of the book, I think.
[SPEAKER_01]: I've been paralysed out and he's like, oh, I don't want to kill bad people.
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, what Louie says.
[SPEAKER_02]: It is an ongoing thing.
[SPEAKER_02]: He thinks about another book, too.
[SPEAKER_02]: So although, like, you could say that in this version, he's influenced by Louie or either version, you know, that Louie made him think about that.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think they did kill him.
[SPEAKER_01]: for two reasons.
[SPEAKER_01]: One, I think Gabriella still has a whole lot more thought and if Gabriella says we're killing him, they're killing them.
[SPEAKER_01]: The other is I was thinking of a parallel with him and his family because later you'll remember.
[SPEAKER_01]: when he and Gabriella kill their family, you see the grandchildren, the young generation finding the dead family and being traumatized, and I feel like that shows that's supposed to signal like, let's not stop talking to explicitly say that in his narration, but he has traumatized
[SPEAKER_02]: Absolutely.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, he was, of course, himself also traumatized, but yeah, he's I'm sure he's had centuries to traumatize far more people than then yeah is fair.
[SPEAKER_02]: If that's such a thing to say.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, right.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I think that's the point, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: We're we're doing the stats telling, but there's
[SPEAKER_02]: I am interested in the fact that the, okay, so it is canon in the book that Lestad is more interested in humanity than Gabrielle's kind of like, you know, fuck that noise.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm done with all of society's expectations of blah, blah, blah, blah.
[SPEAKER_02]: Lestad is more likely to be drawn to cities and want to experience the new world.
[SPEAKER_02]: And so we see that definitely in their conversation playing out here.
[SPEAKER_02]: She says, you know, I want to know why you, what your fascination is with this, with this fact country.
[SPEAKER_02]: She says, an Italian, why it's held your attention for a century.
[SPEAKER_02]: Why do you think that that is?
[SPEAKER_02]: Do you think it's just Louis or is there more?
[SPEAKER_01]: I think that, Lista, I don't know about America specifically.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think let's start really likes to be a god-abarming man and he likes like he likes being the the big brother teaching you the showing you the ropes right he enjoyed showing Louis what was you know what everything was that's why he keeps making fledgling that's why he keeps making fledgling and also like I think he really enjoyed that conversation with the band
[SPEAKER_01]: right he enjoys impressing people that's why he's a rock star right like he that's why he you know um you know dang it was like why waste it on this and he's like that's him right he is very vain
[SPEAKER_01]: Um, whereas Gabrielle's like, I don't need to impress anybody.
[SPEAKER_01]: I just want to live my life.
[SPEAKER_01]: And that's the fundamental tension in relationship.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's why she's maybe my favorite book character, I think.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's because she's just, yeah, she's like, I just now, um, this vampire thing bought me the freedom to just do whatever I want to do.
[SPEAKER_02]: So I'm going to go ahead and do that.
[SPEAKER_01]: Right.
[SPEAKER_02]: To be myself fully.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: I did, um, I did enjoy how she handled the ass hat at the bar who kept asking if she works there.
[SPEAKER_02]: He's like, oh, there's a Italian restaurant you have to check out.
[SPEAKER_02]: She's like, hmm, does it have spaghetti?
[SPEAKER_02]: Does it have breadsticks and the spread sticks?
[SPEAKER_02]: You know, anyway.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, they did have endless blood.
[SPEAKER_01]: The name is a point.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: They got the whole restaurant.
[SPEAKER_01]: That guy's never going back to that restaurant.
[SPEAKER_02]: No.
[SPEAKER_01]: Hey, I love when she's taunting was that she was, I want to play chord and whole.
[SPEAKER_01]: I feel like, do you feel like that was a play on, like, I want to suck your blood, the kind of thing?
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, maybe.
[SPEAKER_01]: She kind of had the Bella-Logosi accent.
[SPEAKER_01]: I know it's not the same accent, but like, her, her cadence was very Bella-Logosi, which by the way, he never said that in the movie.
[SPEAKER_01]: Of course, that's a Mandela effect.
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, what did he just have on the side of the blood?
[SPEAKER_02]: No, I know that.
[SPEAKER_02]: Um, yeah, because that's one of the, I love that movie.
[SPEAKER_02]: I watch that a lot.
[SPEAKER_02]: Um, but uh, yeah, so the whole thing like cornhole as it's definitely carefully chosen because it is on the one hand the most wholesome Americana game, but also like the most like vulgarly sexually explicit sounding game at the same time.
[SPEAKER_01]: Uh, I, I also enjoyed when he gets the call from Christine and she's like, Mr. Thomas Pitt.
[SPEAKER_01]: Which by the way, is that a, is that a, for movie?
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, for sure.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: Tell you, Thomas Cruz and Brad Pitt.
[SPEAKER_02]: Um, so Mr. Thomas Pett, um, yeah, and he goes, do I have to fucking, yes, I mean, I like how they establish in this that they are sleeping together and she's obviously like she's like the most pragmatic character I've ever seen.
[SPEAKER_02]: Just she's like, I don't care that you kill people.
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't want to hear about it for legal reasons.
[SPEAKER_01]: Don't answer that.
[SPEAKER_01]: She's great.
[SPEAKER_02]: uh... yet you have notes on the great conversion here yeah i just i noticed that gabriela she uh... mentioned oh yeah when she she made out with with the woman working at the strip club and then uh... after word she was like uh... like i like that one like predatory she's a good candidate for the great conversion i'm like oh is she in on this this whole great conversion thing the show has been setting up
[SPEAKER_01]: I see based on her characterization that I know about her and this is influenced by the book too, but I just don't think she would care.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like, I think that she doesn't really care about the future of vampire kind, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: She cares about her own future.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I think she, rather than being in on it, she just is hearing the chatter.
[SPEAKER_01]: Cause at all the vampires are chattering, well, pathically, right, among us.
[SPEAKER_02]: Okay, and she's just like, yeah, so, but if we're converting people that's a good candidate there.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I think that's right.
[SPEAKER_02]: Okay, okay, fair.
[SPEAKER_01]: You wanna bring us to the iconic scene?
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm sure.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm back!
[SPEAKER_02]: So, Christine, an vampire attorney, let me well, negotiate on behalf of Lestat and Mr.
[SPEAKER_02]: Pit, who is actually Louis DuPont de Lac.
[SPEAKER_02]: It devolves into marriage counseling for Lestat, rage baits himself about Armand.
[SPEAKER_02]: That night, Lestat plays, performs a song for Louis dropping his marked cup copy of interview with a vampire on his lap.
[SPEAKER_02]: Daniel invites Louie to talk things out after the show at the restaurant.
[SPEAKER_02]: Louie says he didn't kill himself in the book.
[SPEAKER_01]: He didn't like himself in the book.
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, he didn't like himself in the book.
[SPEAKER_02]: Sorry, that was me thinking about things in the book where he tried to hurt himself.
[SPEAKER_02]: Anyway, the Talamaska take over the meeting and Louie is not happy.
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't know.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: Are you enjoying this exclusive fan experience?
[SPEAKER_01]: That killed Bay.
[SPEAKER_01]: I also really love that Louie owns 45% of Lestaud's merch that is so funny.
[SPEAKER_02]: But also like Louie, we see he's being a real dick in this actually.
[SPEAKER_02]: The whole exchange that we keep laughing about, you know, drawing fingers on the back and like...
[SPEAKER_02]: Just setting it up like that all together.
[SPEAKER_02]: This is one where I have to question how much of this is list that being like you know what that bitch did to me
[SPEAKER_02]: me go to a meeting, their false pretentious, bought my merch out from under me, I didn't realize so let me well, this is a new character not in the books as far as I know I did a quick search and it doesn't seem to be and the actor playing him is Moses Somni, I didn't realize that he's
[SPEAKER_01]: I thought you were going to say he's actually a real vampire.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: Maybe.
[SPEAKER_02]: We don't know.
[SPEAKER_02]: No, he's a famous musician.
[SPEAKER_02]: Like he was, I just noticed.
[SPEAKER_02]: I said to Jean, oh, he did the song and he's got it.
[SPEAKER_02]: He's like, he did the whole soundtrack.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's pretty funny because they make him completely apathetic towards Los Satsby's.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's like they don't really do music.
[SPEAKER_01]: I like your merch, he's all business.
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, he doesn't say he doesn't like music.
[SPEAKER_02]: He said he didn't like, let's not talk to music.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's true, that's true.
[SPEAKER_01]: OK, fair.
[SPEAKER_02]: But yeah, so I'm curious about where this new character is going, whether this is just like for this moment or whether he might end up playing a bigger role going forward.
[SPEAKER_02]: I like, I'm glad they brought up Sam again.
[SPEAKER_02]: He's paying down his debt with Louis.
[SPEAKER_02]: So is that mean he's like DJing for him for free as like, sorry that I wrote the play, the Kilder daughter situation?
[SPEAKER_01]: I think so.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think he's like, Gary, that's how he's a lot to live.
[SPEAKER_02]: Mm-hmm.
[SPEAKER_01]: No, I mean.
[SPEAKER_01]: How do you pay, what's the value on that?
[SPEAKER_02]: on killing your daughter.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, your immortal life is mine.
[SPEAKER_01]: Right.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: I guess he's just Louie's guy now.
[SPEAKER_02]: To be fair, he was cool that he had, you know, he gave back up to a start when the Detroit Vampire started stuff up.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: We don't that mouse.
[SPEAKER_01]: We learn that.
[SPEAKER_01]: He's just not that mouse.
[SPEAKER_02]: Why is he not?
[SPEAKER_01]: because he wasn't wearing the dead mouse.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, did we see his helmet and it was just very pretty standard, it was almost daft funky.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, it was very daft funky.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, yeah, it was true.
[SPEAKER_02]: It could be, you know, daft punk broke up.
[SPEAKER_02]: He's one half.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's true.
[SPEAKER_02]: Um, what do we think about Louis being in this version?
[SPEAKER_02]: This is an addition that he's a capitalist.
[SPEAKER_02]: He's got the hotels, bars, mall, retail.
[SPEAKER_02]: We learn, I wonder, are they all vampire themes?
[SPEAKER_02]: Like we learn the hotels called Dracula's daughter, based on that classic universal movie.
[SPEAKER_01]: That is interesting.
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, I mean, Louis has always been a capitalist, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: Before he even met Lestad, he was...
[SPEAKER_01]: True, he makes sense.
[SPEAKER_01]: Dealing in pleasures of the flesh, I think, is how he put it.
[SPEAKER_02]: Mm-hmm.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I think this is right on brand with his character.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I do wonder, um, I talked about it in the inside the coffin.
[SPEAKER_02]: I won't say what it is, but I do wonder how this drives with the night, uh, island spin off because, yeah, that implies maybe Louie would have more to do with building it than is in the books.
[SPEAKER_02]: What do we think about the fact that Solistat insists the songs are about Louie and then goes up and sings in his face?
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, it's full of shit, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: Like they are, I think probably more than half of his songs are about Louie.
[SPEAKER_02]: But I mean, I don't know that it exactly happened like that.
[SPEAKER_02]: I feel like that's an exaggeration, but it was romantic as fuck and they both looked stunning.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I don't think it actually happened like that.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think that that was listot drop advertising in this head because, you know, everyone froze, but it seemed to also like, if everyone froze and he went up and he like said something to Louis dropped it in his lap and went back, I think that's plausible because we know that they can like, you know, make time go super fast.
[SPEAKER_01]: Mm-hmm, or you know what I mean?
[SPEAKER_01]: Go for it.
[SPEAKER_01]: Right, right, right.
[SPEAKER_02]: They get manipulate time, yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Um, but the fact that it seemed like part of the song, when he's saying that line out of the plate.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, that's, that's stretching it now.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, exactly.
[SPEAKER_02]: I know when it was responding, like, oh, he's getting closer, even though they were slowed down, so it's, no, yeah, I don't think so.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I do, I'm with you on like wanting to see the Gabriella Louie thing because just the look that she gave him, you know, on the one hand, it's like, yeah, no man is good enough for my son, make her lover.
[SPEAKER_02]: But when she says later, you know, I never knew you two together and happy basically she says I only knew you after I only saw after math when you're throat was slid and it's like, yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: What's she going to think of Louis then, obviously?
[SPEAKER_02]: They weren't jealousy factors at play.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's tough.
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, Louis did actively try to kill us, not although.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think he knew he basically was just putting him in a hole for a little while.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, no, that's why he insisted on not burning him for sure.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Right.
[SPEAKER_01]: He could have.
[SPEAKER_01]: He didn't.
[SPEAKER_02]: It was just punishing.
[SPEAKER_02]: It was like, yeah, you made me lay around, you know,
[SPEAKER_02]: Um, I keep thinking about the line.
[SPEAKER_02]: She says to him, I see why you gave him a daughter.
[SPEAKER_02]: I see why you took her back.
[SPEAKER_02]: The took her back part was tripping me up, but I landed on, I guess she means I see why you got her killed.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I think you're right.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think you're right.
[SPEAKER_02]: So no wonder he wanted to change a subject then.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yeah, because he, I think he, you know, people say that Lestadic Claudia, so like mother-daughter coded, like toxic matter daughter relations, and I think that's right.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I mean, we could talk about this longer than is warranted with this episode, but like I think Lestad has a lot of our bread for not being able to save Claudia.
[SPEAKER_01]: I really think he would have if he could have.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: No, I think that's definitely something we're going to see play out more.
[SPEAKER_02]: I also wonder what's going on with Daniel and his daughters because we got another reference that he's calling up his daughters and hanging out before he talks to them.
[SPEAKER_02]: So I'm like, okay, where's that whole thing going?
[SPEAKER_02]: Because Daniel does not have daughters in the book.
[SPEAKER_02]: He, you know, he was turned into a vampire before he aged.
[SPEAKER_02]: Um, and then at the same time with the Claudia stuff, we see like Louie's talking about seeing her walking around, but basically it sounds like he's mistaking other random people for her.
[SPEAKER_02]: So obviously, yeah, there's a lot of like daddy daughter stuff going on this season.
[SPEAKER_02]: It seems like that they are lining up at least.
[SPEAKER_01]: Absolutely.
[SPEAKER_01]: They are ready to go.
[SPEAKER_02]: What, what did you think of this version of Ragland James did he seem different to you?
[SPEAKER_01]: No, I thought he was about the same, you know, charming, and slimy, and I did not trust a word he says.
[SPEAKER_02]: No, true, true, but I felt like he was dialed up to 11, but I think that's probably the stats interpretation of him almost situation.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, that's probably true.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I mean, so first of all, should we speak real Vachie's back or should we be saying real Rashid?
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, well, he asked them.
[SPEAKER_01]: Do you have a purpose because no?
[SPEAKER_02]: No.
[SPEAKER_02]: I really like this could be a reference to Assad's among who plays, who plays Armand.
[SPEAKER_02]: I noticed that he and his classmates all say Assad, but many people, including me, including the woman who's hosted after dark calls him Assad, because yeah, we put the accent on the second syllable.
[SPEAKER_02]: So I feel like that was calling that out.
[SPEAKER_02]: But I looked it up and apparently Rashid and Rashid are both equally valid pronunciations and aerobics.
[SPEAKER_02]: So okay.
[SPEAKER_01]: Alright, I guess he just doesn't want to pick one.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: But yeah, the fact that Daniel called them his producers, so this does make sense because the telemaska published the book.
[SPEAKER_02]: So yeah, of course, they'd be producing the documentary, but then it makes me wonder like, they did release the book, but
[SPEAKER_02]: Obviously, if they were to even release the documentary in the first place they would be heavily controlling it and then the question is in what way like what's their agenda with that and or is this just a new way to study the vampires and get inside information basically.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Hmm, that is interesting, and I wonder where Daniel's loyalty's really lied now, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: Because he is.
[SPEAKER_01]: He lived a whole life as a human, and he worked with the telebasker, and now he is just suddenly a vampire, and he, you know, he denies having transformational trauma to a stop, but clearly he's opening up to Louie that he does, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: He feels her mind when he
[SPEAKER_02]: Mm-hmm.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Do you get that?
[SPEAKER_01]: Let's not know.
[SPEAKER_01]: No.
[SPEAKER_02]: No.
[SPEAKER_02]: That sounds weird.
[SPEAKER_02]: Never mind moving.
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, horrible.
[SPEAKER_02]: I feel like the Ragland saying, we all worked together to buy was like, let's start throwing in a petulant detail.
[SPEAKER_02]: Like, guess what?
[SPEAKER_02]: They were all working behind your back, Louie.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: But of course, yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: But also, I buy that with Ragland James, right?
[SPEAKER_02]: Mm-hmm.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: No, I mean, I buy that, too, but I feel like there's both a play here.
[SPEAKER_02]: One very interesting thing that was said, though, that made me gasped out loud a throw-away line that has major implications in terms of adaptation is they're like, oh, Louie, you know, you've been, I guess we'll talk about the less, less later, but they say, oh, Louie, you've been, you know, taking people out for us, basically, you took out, what is it, 30, two people
[SPEAKER_02]: Whatever 31 people in Dubai, and he's like 32, including Agent Talbot, which and then Raglan says no great loss none of us like too much, which is an off-hand way of telling us that they have off-screen killed off one of the biggest characters from the books after this point.
[SPEAKER_02]: Needs.
[SPEAKER_02]: Wow.
[SPEAKER_02]: David Talbot.
[SPEAKER_02]: David.
[SPEAKER_02]: He is, I didn't realize how much people hate him, I understand why.
[SPEAKER_02]: In the seventh book called Merrick, there's a character named Merrick, who is one of the like cousin May fairs, and David Talbed is really Iki in pedophilic toward her.
[SPEAKER_02]: And there is some explanation for it later, but it is very like, but other than that, like, he and Lestat have this nice intellectual relationship, but then it turns into, then it starts to feel like at some point like he's taking the place of Louis.
[SPEAKER_02]: And so I can understand why they would rather have Louis in a lot of those positions rather than him and I'll talk in the book stuff about What other stuff I think this might affect, but it's just wild that they throw out a line like that to kill off this character Yeah, I mean, I definitely would prefer more Louis than more You tell but so that's fine.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's fine with me.
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't I have no attachment to this character.
[SPEAKER_01]: I've not even met him in the books
[SPEAKER_02]: Right.
[SPEAKER_02]: Now, I think he starts out really likable, but then I think a lot of people sour on him with the whole pedophilia thing.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, I wouldn't any of us.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: I would sour on anyone for that reason.
[SPEAKER_02]: But there's a lot of problematic things in these books to be honest.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I just thought I thought that they would include the character, but then just not do that part.
[SPEAKER_02]: But to be honest, no, it does make sense.
[SPEAKER_02]: Like, we want more
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, where was the lie that was taught at?
[SPEAKER_01]: He was like, you're being very patient with the, with the ingest stuff.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I appreciate that.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I like the editorializing, but then it's also, I just have so many questions about the context of these, how these tapes were made.
[SPEAKER_01]: Right.
[SPEAKER_01]: Who made these?
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, and for whom?
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: What was the intended audience, although he did say the beginning is like you're definitely very wealthy if you have Right, so it's meant to be good already All right one last section we have purging the past
[SPEAKER_02]: Gabriella and the stat eaten in Italian restaurant and the stat serenades his mother.
[SPEAKER_02]: She says she sees why he likes Louis and gave him a daughter and the stat gets cold.
[SPEAKER_02]: He begins singing in French, but a layer song, by the way.
[SPEAKER_02]: And we see flashbacks of Gabriella's turning.
[SPEAKER_02]: We then see mother and son kill their family of cabbages.
[SPEAKER_02]: Louis is given a mission by the telemaska to destroy the Detroit cup and led by killer.
[SPEAKER_01]: to waste.
[SPEAKER_02]: So I'm glad that I watched the recap from last week because it zoomed in on something that I missed to be honest, even though I watched it more than once.
[SPEAKER_02]: And that is that Baby Janks, the one who OD, or who gave, list out her OD, broke blood, and then freed brought her back with his cocktail, whatever, and he saw her ghost in the meantime, she has a tattoo in the back of her neck that says killer.
[SPEAKER_01]: Hmm, that is a good catch.
[SPEAKER_01]: I wonder if she's involved somehow.
[SPEAKER_01]: What if she's from the farm?
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, or like some familiar or something.
[SPEAKER_02]: Like, then she would allow him to tattoo killer on her neck.
[SPEAKER_01]: I can't take familiar seriously anymore after what we do in the shadows.
[SPEAKER_02]: No, maybe that, I mean, probably that would be the thing.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's like he keeps promising to turn her or something.
[SPEAKER_02]: um uh people said that the i saw people on reddit saying that the uh let's start jumping through the window rather than talking to everyone was very popular in the shadows that's fair i mean i think it's very uh let's do i can imagine a lot of people would rather just fly away from a situation and like nope don't want to deal with any of this right now and then yeah so if if she is
[SPEAKER_02]: you know, Bruce's familiar or whatever, did he send her there to drugless.up so that they could have an advantage fighting him?
[SPEAKER_02]: Did it try to cover it?
[SPEAKER_01]: That's a good question.
[SPEAKER_01]: They made her very like enticing.
[SPEAKER_01]: And then, you know, that's interesting.
[SPEAKER_01]: I like this idea.
[SPEAKER_01]: Baby Jenks has involved in on the conspiracy.
[SPEAKER_02]: who she marrying in a week, huh?
[SPEAKER_02]: Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha
[SPEAKER_02]: He didn't have, he already had picked up the local American accent, I guess, but it has a name like Bruce, but yeah, was he American or what, so are they saying he was from Copenhagen?
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, he said, I can't remember exactly what he said, but it kind of sounded to me like he just was in Copenhagen visiting or something and met of that empire, so that might be the case.
[SPEAKER_01]: I get the vibe that he's American, only because from what we've seen, the accent appears to free, for he's when you get turned because Lestot's been in America a hundred years and he's not gotten any less French.
[SPEAKER_02]: No, that's true.
[SPEAKER_02]: Although Louis, we see, I mean, maybe that is a specifically Lestot thing that he is stubbornly who he is.
[SPEAKER_02]: Louis, we do see his accent shifting over time.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, that's true, that's true, but also like Armand is another one who's accent shifts based on what part of his story he's in that's true Armand I buy more because Louis, I feel like that's just You know, different American accents are closer together than French to American, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know
[SPEAKER_02]: It's interesting that his mom's like, oh, you're speaking the language of your father.
[SPEAKER_02]: He's like, it's my language, you know, just because he did grow up in France, even though his father sucks, he grew up in France.
[SPEAKER_01]: I did like that too, you know, it's a tiny tension, but we are starting off with some tension between the two.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I like that they're giving that to us right away because this can't be, obviously, this cannot just be a fairytale romance between mother and son.
[SPEAKER_02]: or the happy lay-over after.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, it's interesting, the bright-more-covering.
[SPEAKER_02]: We find out they're running fentanyl, they're having un-sanctioned farm, this is where that comes up.
[SPEAKER_02]: And they took down the power grid.
[SPEAKER_02]: And indeed, we saw that happen in the last episode.
[SPEAKER_02]: But my question is to what effects?
[SPEAKER_02]: Like, I'm wondering if there's something bigger at play other than...
[SPEAKER_02]: Like, they could just walk into the hotel.
[SPEAKER_02]: They didn't need to take down the electricity like they did.
[SPEAKER_02]: There must be, I'm thinking about like, when in this last season, when we heard all these random things, like, oh, vampires are hanging off of the Eiffel Tower and stuff like that.
[SPEAKER_02]: And it turns out that they were looking for a list of them.
[SPEAKER_02]: And they found him.
[SPEAKER_02]: And that's what all these activities are about.
[SPEAKER_02]: So I'm wondering if there's some,
[SPEAKER_02]: bigger thing going on in the background with like why would they would need to take down the power grid.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know.
[SPEAKER_01]: Is there any vampire power in the books that has to do with the power grid?
[SPEAKER_02]: Electricity.
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know.
[SPEAKER_01]: Tesla the vampire.
[SPEAKER_02]: Hmm.
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, I think you know, I speak of vampire powers like something I wanted to come to do was it was hilarious when they went one of the bad meats was like, do you have the firepower?
[SPEAKER_01]: And it was such a light to the book on fire.
[SPEAKER_02]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_02]: He's just learning about it from the book.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I mean, the start has basically everything got the good blood of a kasha and they're like, who is a kasha?
[SPEAKER_02]: You don't want to know.
[SPEAKER_01]: Keep saying words we don't know.
[SPEAKER_02]: I think this is fun.
[SPEAKER_02]: This obviously, Akasha is the big, bad, or whatever, looming over the whole season.
[SPEAKER_02]: But I think it's fun that we're having this side track with Bruce in the Detroit Vamps, or, yeah, because now they're in Toledo, and they're still on tour, but Louie has to go back to Detroit to face them alone, who's going with him.
[SPEAKER_01]: I am enjoying that verse is appears to be getting a come-up in here because he was awful that he was a come-up in.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's ironic though.
[SPEAKER_02]: He...
[SPEAKER_02]: Claudia ended up defining him more than the horrible thing he did to her ended up defining her.
[SPEAKER_02]: Like obviously she was traumatized up from it and I appreciate the fact that they did keep bringing it up and do keep bringing it up because when someone does something like like that to you it doesn't just end.
[SPEAKER_02]: But he's using the name that she gave him killer.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, I didn't even remember that.
[SPEAKER_01]: I forgot about that.
[SPEAKER_01]: I haven't seen that part of the season in a long time.
[SPEAKER_01]: I keep restarting it, and then I get distracted by other things.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, and now that it's on Netflix, I'm, uh, wake you up.
[SPEAKER_02]: Let's, let's, I, it's, yeah, it's my comfort, my comfort show, which is a show that I like to pay attention to, you know, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,
[SPEAKER_02]: No, that is why I like it, too, is that there is so many complexities that holds my attention.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't get distracted as much with this.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's with others.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, that's the episode, I think.
[SPEAKER_02]: So I wanted to revive a game that I played once that I haven't gotten to play with you yet, called Bite Bone Burn.
[SPEAKER_02]: So I give you three vampires and you say which one you want to give you the dark gift that's bite, which would be your fun evening that's bone and which you would burn like get him out of your kill him done.
[SPEAKER_02]: So let's start with Louis, let's start and let me well.
[SPEAKER_01]: This is tough.
[SPEAKER_01]: There's I'm going to get some hate for this, but
[SPEAKER_01]: Bite from a stop because you get the best powers.
[SPEAKER_02]: Mm-hmm.
[SPEAKER_01]: Bone Lemuel.
[SPEAKER_01]: Because Louis catches feelings quick.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I just, I can't deal with him.
[SPEAKER_02]: Mm-hmm.
[SPEAKER_01]: And then I'm sorry, Louis, but you getting burned.
[SPEAKER_01]: How about you?
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: No, I feel that.
[SPEAKER_02]: And actually, I did choose burn last time with for Louis.
[SPEAKER_02]: I play this game, but that was a different matchup.
[SPEAKER_02]: I think in this case, I am still, I'm going to burn Lemuel.
[SPEAKER_02]: No offense.
[SPEAKER_02]: I just don't know you, dude.
[SPEAKER_02]: You seem cool, but actually, you kind of seem like a dick, but that's also because let's start seeing you as his boyfriend.
[SPEAKER_01]: You're not marrying him.
[SPEAKER_01]: Right?
[SPEAKER_01]: You know.
[SPEAKER_01]: Living with him.
[SPEAKER_02]: I know, but I'm out.
[SPEAKER_02]: But here's the thing, is I'm actually going to normally, I'm like, let's take the one with the best blood, which we'd be able to start for the fight.
[SPEAKER_02]: But I'm like, if I'm spending a long time with someone, because they're my master fledgling relationship, Louie, I think, um,
[SPEAKER_02]: I could have, like, more just stable life with where as a stop would give me one great evening.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm sure.
[SPEAKER_02]: All right.
[SPEAKER_02]: One more.
[SPEAKER_02]: Armand, Daniel, and Gabriela.
[SPEAKER_00]: Tough, tough.
[SPEAKER_01]: All right, I'm going to, I'm going to choose bite from Daniel.
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, because you're getting second hand our mind and I just, I don't want any involvement with our mind.
[SPEAKER_01]: For a normal phone Gabriella, there you go.
[SPEAKER_02]: Um, okay, I'm going to take bite from our mind for the reason.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, he's got that old blood.
[SPEAKER_02]: Definitely.
[SPEAKER_01]: Daniel doesn't seem to have benefited though.
[SPEAKER_02]: Although Gabriela, I will say Gabriela has listot's blood, so you are getting second hen listot for her, too.
[SPEAKER_01]: But didn't he get a conch of blood after the Gabriela?
[SPEAKER_02]: After, yeah, true, good point, good point, good point.
[SPEAKER_02]: No.
[SPEAKER_02]: All right.
[SPEAKER_02]: Um.
[SPEAKER_02]: Ooh.
[SPEAKER_02]: All right, yeah, Gabriela, probably again, a good evening.
[SPEAKER_02]: She seems like she would be a lot of fun.
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't want to burn Daniel, though.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm not burning day, I'm burning our mom to sell.
[SPEAKER_02]: You're burning our mom, yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: No, he's easy.
[SPEAKER_01]: Murder Grumlin, go, bye-bye.
[SPEAKER_02]: He's bit me.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, and the other two, it's a toss-up, which we, you know, depends who's nice to me that night.
[SPEAKER_01]: I honestly hope we see Daniel manifest some cool powers because our mom, that's the only one our mom's ever turned, right?
[SPEAKER_02]: Mm-hmm.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, I don't know, I would like to see some, you know, come upins from that.
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, he's quite new, but yeah, he's quite new, but he obviously he starts in an advantage having such an old-sire.
[SPEAKER_01]: Right.
[SPEAKER_01]: And he's showering in front of everybody.
[SPEAKER_01]: He's ready to go.
[SPEAKER_01]: He's not.
[SPEAKER_02]: He said when he's doing the whole, when he said the whole thing about like feeling like he's suddenly alone or something, I'm like, is that what was going on in the shower?
[SPEAKER_02]: Did you feel like he was suddenly alone and no one else was watching you in the room?
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: He's like watch my old man ass.
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't care anymore.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm a vampire.
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't have the use of body double, but looks good.
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean for 70 something, yeah?
[SPEAKER_01]: You're for it.
[SPEAKER_01]: All right.
[SPEAKER_01]: Good job everybody.
[SPEAKER_01]: We did the episode.
[SPEAKER_01]: This was a fun one.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm looking forward to episode 3.
[SPEAKER_01]: Maybe I'll watch it later tonight.
[SPEAKER_01]: We'll see.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm sorry to taunt you that way, but I do, you know, if we recorded early, it's easy to keep up with that, really.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, but then we have to wait that much longer for the next one.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's the hard part is like knowing we can press next and choosing not to for the good of these podcasts.
[SPEAKER_01]: Right.
[SPEAKER_01]: All right.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, quick outro and then after the credits, we're going to
[SPEAKER_01]: uh... on the network in a week we have house of the dragon starting so he's a writer who are released earlier today nice nice i got to check it out i have a lot of spider in war yet oh is there one of my favorite spoiler free intro yes there is a spoiler free intro excellent so for people like me we can check in for a little bit see how people are feeling
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[SPEAKER_02]: And I think there's some movie episodes coming out, uh, disclosure day, uh, in the public feed, we still have to play on that recording, but David and I've both seen it now.
[SPEAKER_02]: Um, and then some, for subscribers, uh, in, is God is what you're watching, and, uh, our hard-boiled elevensies.
[SPEAKER_01]: Man, hard-boiled was a trip.
[SPEAKER_01]: I finished it now.
[SPEAKER_01]: Mm-hmm.
[SPEAKER_01]: It was a trip.
[SPEAKER_02]: It is a trip.
[SPEAKER_02]: It is.
[SPEAKER_02]: I was like, it's so ridiculous.
[SPEAKER_02]: So nineties.
[SPEAKER_02]: I loved it.
[SPEAKER_02]: It was fun.
[SPEAKER_02]: Not my typical type of movie but I'm glad that I saw it.
[SPEAKER_01]: And we have to talk.
[SPEAKER_02]: We are currently talking in the planning for our widows bay season wrap up, which is the end of this week beginning of next sometime in there.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, I'm not sure I'm going to be able to join you but I will at least send a voice mail because I've enjoyed the season tremendously.
[SPEAKER_02]: Okay, well we'll figure out
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, and then how's the drag in next week, starting next week, woo, and silo starting the week after.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, very good.
[SPEAKER_02]: And silo is again on the wool shift dust feed.
[SPEAKER_02]: So that's a separate feed, then the Laura happens to make feed.
[SPEAKER_01]: We are back in hot or summer happening.
[SPEAKER_01]: Nevermind the music is of course doing their weekly coverage of the music and psychology just at a mail bag.
[SPEAKER_01]: And yeah, plenty of stuff going on over there.
[SPEAKER_01]: I enjoyed their killers episode that was pretty recent.
[SPEAKER_01]: a lot of good millennial fare we had over there and probably how we're just still doing their newly wed season and you know I I like to tell people start with a clue one because clue had me rolling with their 10 minute conversation about the best way to scrape dog poop off your shoe.
[SPEAKER_02]: How dare they bash Cludo?
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, you can't win them all.
[SPEAKER_01]: You can't win them all.
[SPEAKER_01]: I also wanted to flag.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I've pre-loaded it.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's cute on YouTube.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Alright, we're here with the book spoilers.
[SPEAKER_01]: Full spoilers for all of the An-Rice books.
[SPEAKER_02]: All of them.
[SPEAKER_02]: You called out something that you were going to bring up in the book's book's book or section.
[SPEAKER_02]: Shall we start with that?
[SPEAKER_02]: What was that?
[SPEAKER_01]: Sure.
[SPEAKER_01]: I just wanted to say, like, our mom really cuts the core.
[SPEAKER_01]: I actually did start reading the book again, the Vampireless Stop Book.
[SPEAKER_01]: And our mom does cut them to the core when he's asking to join them.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, let's start in Gabrielle.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, let's start in Gabrielle.
[SPEAKER_01]: He's like, you feel chained by him and you don't, and you just want to be with humans.
[SPEAKER_01]: So he's like, he's really good.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like, he's really insightful.
[SPEAKER_01]: He's smart.
[SPEAKER_01]: He's just evil.
[SPEAKER_02]: See this is why, one of the reasons why I've sympathy for him on, except for one horrible thing he does in the books.
[SPEAKER_02]: But anyway,
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, it's funny because Gabrielle, she obviously, she doesn't really like our mind and you can understand it.
[SPEAKER_02]: So I was looking forward to seeing them interact in their dynamic, but now I'm also looking forward to her of Louis.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it's going to be a lot of fun, I think.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: When do we think Claudia's ghost is going to show up?
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, we don't know for sure that it's going to be a ghost.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's just in the book, a ghost Claudia does show up, but not until later.
[SPEAKER_02]: And we know the actress is coming back this season.
[SPEAKER_02]: Or do we think it's going to be something like we see a glimpse of, you know, Louie talking about seeing what he thinks is Claudia, and we see that?
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know.
[SPEAKER_01]: I would like to see Listop be a little haunted by Claudia because he kind of does hers look.
[SPEAKER_02]: Right.
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, we got that set up with Baby Janks that must be for a reason.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, exactly.
[SPEAKER_01]: And he said that was my first spirit I saw right?
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't think that that's not my last.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, I didn't have much else to say other than our Devil's minion corner for this week, is obviously the whole, you know, that the Devil's minion fandom was fed by that whole.
[SPEAKER_02]: I have this weird feeling that happens with suddenly everything around me disappears, like the rapture has come, and I, you know, I feel him.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, he's ready.
[SPEAKER_01]: He's ready for him.
[SPEAKER_02]: But, okay, here's the thing about the David Talbot, character being unceremoniously killed off-screen.
[SPEAKER_02]: I said, I think that, you know, they would give some stuff to Louie, but there's other stuff I think they might be giving to Daniel and it has me worried.
[SPEAKER_02]: Jay is so David obviously was high up at the telemaska obviously we see Daniel being, you know, working with the telemaska, um, but, okay, I'm going to tell you a little bit about the body thief, which is for me.
[SPEAKER_02]: from book four.
[SPEAKER_02]: So we've already mentioned that Raglin and Lestat Body Swap, but it's actually it's a bit more complicated than that because there's two other people involved.
[SPEAKER_02]: One is this like random guy who just, just all we know about him is he's young and hot basically, and he's Indian.
[SPEAKER_02]: This is controversial because people are like, oh, he's just appropriating this
[SPEAKER_02]: Um, yeah, he's now experiencing like being a different race and that's not really brought up.
[SPEAKER_02]: But anyway, that's not Anne Rice's perspective, but so there's this young hot guy.
[SPEAKER_02]: He bought his swaps into and gets involved like, and that's how he actually bought his swaps with the start with.
[SPEAKER_02]: He does that so that like, he's like, oh, you want this young hot buddy, right?
[SPEAKER_02]: If you want to experience being human again, but then David Talbot, who is at this point an older man, he gets involved with this as well because the start comes to him for help.
[SPEAKER_02]: trying to get his body back.
[SPEAKER_02]: And so at the end of all of it, it winds up that David is body swapped into this mysterious young heart body, and that's the one that he keeps because Raglin has been body swapped into David's older body and Lestat kills that body to kill Raglin.
[SPEAKER_01]: She's so Christ.
[SPEAKER_02]: So now I'm worried with, with Baby Janks saying, oh, he dies bad.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm like, well, maybe it's not the character Daniel dying bad, but maybe he's given that David's storyline where the character's body swapped into another body, but the Eric Bogosian body is killed.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I don't think I want that.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I, the Eric Bogosian is the only Daniel I want.
[SPEAKER_02]: yeah i mean i like the younger one but and then i was wondering like did they introduce this new limo character so that he could be the other body in this swapping scenario um but that's just pure like i don't know they introduced a young hot guy
[SPEAKER_02]: And I don't, I'd say the other thing, too, is like, I don't want, I find it somewhat problematic in the book that it's like, oh, nobody likes older characters, Ike.
[SPEAKER_02]: Um, yeah, I don't, I don't want Eric but goes in to leave the show, so I'm very nervous about this whole, David, you know, being turned into Daniel in Story Terms Theory.
[SPEAKER_01]: I only want Eric but goes in.
[SPEAKER_01]: whether it's in succession or in this show.
[SPEAKER_01]: I only want Eric but go see him.
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean there's a the fans love him so I hope not but I'm nervous.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm nervous.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well we we don't have any confirmation list.
[SPEAKER_01]: No it's just save your anxieties.
[SPEAKER_02]: We don't know.
[SPEAKER_02]: They're completely doing their own thing but that that whole like that was what sent my mind really when I heard the whole killed agent out that thing.
[SPEAKER_01]: Hmm.
[SPEAKER_01]: All right.
[SPEAKER_01]: We're keeping our eye out.
[SPEAKER_02]: Mm-hmm.
[SPEAKER_01]: This has been a fun episode, Alisha.
[SPEAKER_01]: Thanks for, thanks for joining me.
[SPEAKER_01]: Thanks for, I guess I'm joining you.
[SPEAKER_01]: You're really the, the, you know, our Kalamazca agent.
[SPEAKER_02]: Thank you for producing, and thank you for the good conversation and insights.
[SPEAKER_01]: I bet.
[SPEAKER_02]: I bet!
[SPEAKER_01]: See you in Sossily.