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[SPEAKER_01]: Hello everybody, welcome to this week with J-Cost on Joel, joined by Bangalore, it is Thursday, 11th of June, 2020, 6th, this is episode 412, yes, 412 of you, for those in Pittsburgh, you get it, that's the area code in the Pittsburgh, Western Pennsylvania jolly don't let me knew that.
[SPEAKER_01]: I didn't know he thought, no.
[SPEAKER_01]: This is what such an educational podcast isn't it?
[SPEAKER_01]: It is.
[SPEAKER_02]: You know, we are collectively, we might have a brain cell among us, but everyone's well, we'll give you a little fun fact that you could use over conversation with a significant other or a date.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, you'd be like, hey, did you know 4012 is the area code in Western Pennsylvania?
[SPEAKER_02]: And she'd be like, if one?
[SPEAKER_02]: Okay, can I please?
[SPEAKER_01]: uh... lobsters communicate by wing on each other while that's nice okay i i don't want to be there for a dissertation a little upster like on please shut up imagine if we were lobsters they would have this was a little upster thought cost which is to piss out he's mad what crazy two two lobsters with you know earphones on i need somebody to a i generate that image
[SPEAKER_01]: a lot of people say we we talk out of our willy so How's everything going with you my man?
[SPEAKER_01]: Good.
[SPEAKER_01]: I had a great morning.
[SPEAKER_01]: You know why I was listening to you chatting chatting the shit in a good way with a when Joseph Lanzer of voices wrestling.
[SPEAKER_01]: What a great listen.
[SPEAKER_01]: That was I think I'm super.
[SPEAKER_01]: Jake asked Patreon.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yes, I appreciate that.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, it seemed like it's a pretty popular.
[SPEAKER_02]: I know they talked about it a little bit in the open of their show that they did last night.
[SPEAKER_02]: So I appreciate that from Mr. Lanter.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's always a good time.
[SPEAKER_02]: You know, and the way he did he described it was pretty funny and it's pretty accurate is I just want to have a conversation and I just want to happen to record it and I just want to happen to put it on our Patreon and I just want to happen to have people pay for it.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's all right.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, so it is it's selling a lot of hot cases absolutely brilliant listen like it's not particularly heavy on wrestling in a good way like it's good to kind of tear you guys talking about different things all that I was absolutely pissing myself when you ended up talking about the the photo with greater problem but I won't spoil that like listeners it is worth the the poultry some of money that
[SPEAKER_01]: charging for it, just for that bit of load, because I was hooting and hollering in the car, but we're trying to get you basically onboard the Patreon full-time.
[SPEAKER_01]: So what has to happen here is like, whilst this episode is available for individual sale, we don't want you to do that, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: We want everyone on the $10 tier, because at some point, we're going to be splitting that and I need the amount of people signed up on the $10 tier to double in order for that to be available for me.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm not going to feel like I'm taking a massive hit.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I think it's not on the territorial tier.
[SPEAKER_01]: Get on it straight away.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's nothing.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's Trump changes in it.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's insulting how little that cost in the grand scheme of things.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like, and again, I always try to sort of compare it to...
[SPEAKER_01]: sort of every day or a weekly expenditure.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like what sort of thing would cost you $10 in this and not even lunch?
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, maybe half a lunch, right?
[SPEAKER_02]: A mediocre sandwich.
[SPEAKER_02]: Right, a maybe not, I was going to joke around and be like a pair of underwear.
[SPEAKER_02]: But that's not even true either, right?
[SPEAKER_02]: Drawers are expensive.
[SPEAKER_02]: Uh, not a haircut, not uh, not, I mean, in the United States, you could get half a gallon of a, or no, you can get two gallons of gas probably with the $10 bill.
[SPEAKER_02]: Um, it's, it's, it's really, again, I'm not here to tell people how to spend their money.
[SPEAKER_02]: But all things can take.
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't cover, we've cost the living crisis, not just nothing.
[SPEAKER_01]: Right, right, stop it.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I don't care if you like the content we're producing.
[SPEAKER_01]: You've got an obligation.
[SPEAKER_01]: If you're one of these free loaders listening to, get your fucking wallet out and give us some money.
[SPEAKER_01]: Both of us this time, I want the money to go to both of our pockets so we can both,
[SPEAKER_01]: by, I don't know, Tenga eggs or Chris or whatever it is we happen to be to buy.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's our business.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's not your business what would spend money on it.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'll tell you what, for me anyway, I feel like it would be a reinvestment in the show, right?
[SPEAKER_02]: Because I already have ideas of what I want to do.
[SPEAKER_02]: But unfortunately at this point, I'm getting at my credit card and making that happen, which okay, it's my choice, you know, it is what it is.
[SPEAKER_02]: But it would be helpful, you know what I mean?
[SPEAKER_02]: Like it would just feed the monster, so to speak.
[SPEAKER_02]: So, again,
[SPEAKER_02]: If you consider the amount of content, whether it's good or not, that's up to you.
[SPEAKER_02]: But if you consider the volume of content, I think it's entertaining, and I think it's well worth it.
[SPEAKER_02]: And if the past two interviews are any indicator, it feels like people enjoy the interviews.
[SPEAKER_02]: So I kind of feel like I found my little groove in this Patreon thing.
[SPEAKER_02]: And again, I kind of explained,
[SPEAKER_02]: not to pull back too much, but I explain on the interview with Joe, where, for me, it's I feel a sense of obligation when people start paying, but if I feel if I'm doing something that's worthwhile in contributing in a positive way, I just don't want to do a fucking review because I feel like you do the review.
[SPEAKER_02]: I just wanted to come to the table with something a little bit different, maybe not exactly right in the New Japan Pro Wrestling Lane, but it's there, you know, we're parallel.
[SPEAKER_02]: And then just like the interview process, I love asking the questions.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I like to find the angles that maybe aren't necessarily deeply explored with the people that I talk with, if that makes any sense.
[SPEAKER_02]: So, yes.
[SPEAKER_01]: You are very good at sort of unrecognising what people are passionate about.
[SPEAKER_01]: Even if it's just like a little throwaway line or something in a response they're given, finding that thread and then pulling on it and just taking the conversation into really interesting,
[SPEAKER_01]: directions where, you know, people are comfortable speaking to and they end up revealing really interesting and sometimes juicy and and celacious details about themselves.
[SPEAKER_02]: Little bit, little bit, little bit.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's why we will have Jenna James, wow, that I just referenced at a 1991 porn star.
[SPEAKER_02]: She's still alive.
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't even know.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I mean, the fuck am I doing?
[SPEAKER_02]: Here's the challenge though, with that.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's, I really want to interview people that
[SPEAKER_02]: not that haven't been interviewed before because there is really not a lot of value in that.
[SPEAKER_02]: Like I feel like people want to hear from people and names that they recognize.
[SPEAKER_02]: I truly believe that.
[SPEAKER_02]: But in the same breath, I kind of want to find just people that might not necessarily either
[SPEAKER_02]: certain parts of their lives.
[SPEAKER_02]: Again, we all come together because of our love of New Japan per wrestling.
[SPEAKER_02]: In some cases, we come together for our hatred of New Japan per wrestling.
[SPEAKER_01]: You love New Japan for a wrestling.
[SPEAKER_02]: I know.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's great for me.
[SPEAKER_02]: So, my bad, from that.
[SPEAKER_02]: But again, we all come from different backgrounds, we all come from different lives.
[SPEAKER_02]: How did we all get here?
[SPEAKER_02]: How did we all find our way to watch this product and consume this product and like it?
[SPEAKER_02]: And then go a layer deeper and wind up here, listening to us.
[SPEAKER_02]: So that kind of interest me, not kind of, it doesn't interest me.
[SPEAKER_02]: So I kind of wanna find that groove of
[SPEAKER_02]: into their background, where they came from, what did they do, what do they enjoy, what are the things that, and what are the correlations, like what's the common ground that we all have aside from New Japan that makes us come here.
[SPEAKER_02]: And if it's all different, then cool, and kind of want to know that.
[SPEAKER_02]: So,
[SPEAKER_02]: Again, I appreciate everyone who has listened.
[SPEAKER_02]: I appreciate all the nice comments.
[SPEAKER_02]: I appreciate the money.
[SPEAKER_02]: And yeah, again, this was a bit of an experiment to see how I could be more involved in the Patreon, because to me, that's where this is going.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's quite obvious that where the show is going, because I want to give the content to people who appreciate it.
[SPEAKER_02]: as opposed to just going through the meat grinder.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm just putting it out there on our feet.
[SPEAKER_02]: So it's good.
[SPEAKER_02]: I like it.
[SPEAKER_02]: There'll be more.
[SPEAKER_02]: Again, the the challenge for me is is like, who do I want to interview?
[SPEAKER_02]: Who do I?
[SPEAKER_02]: Who will my passion about interviewing?
[SPEAKER_02]: And it is weird, too,
[SPEAKER_02]: synergy that that I feel like Joe and I have that that it's he's just that he's he's my friends you know to me like he's Every dude that I know you know So it's it was just like he described it up he didn't just get on and he's like all right I'm gonna hit record and count down and we're gonna go and I had no idea what the questions were but blah blah
[SPEAKER_02]: Um, and that's kind of what I want to do.
[SPEAKER_02]: Like I don't I want people to somewhat be surprised.
[SPEAKER_02]: I thought I'm not going to sit here and tell you I'm fucking Walter Cronkite, but like, I don't know, I want to be a little bit different.
[SPEAKER_02]: I want to be, I don't want to sit there and be like, I want to be a little bit different.
[SPEAKER_02]: I want to be a little bit different.
[SPEAKER_02]: I want to
[SPEAKER_02]: are you afraid sometimes to say certain things about a rustler or show, knowing that that person's probably listening, you know, like I want that kind of information.
[SPEAKER_01]: So, right, should we listen to this?
[SPEAKER_02]: Show is listening.
[SPEAKER_02]: Maybe you might be listening.
[SPEAKER_02]: But yeah, that's what that is.
[SPEAKER_02]: So again, if you're already on the Patreon, doing your thing, I appreciate it.
[SPEAKER_02]: If you're on a $5 tier, I think it's just three bucks.
[SPEAKER_02]: Like three bucks.
[SPEAKER_02]: But again, the end goal is, be a 10 buck, be a 10 bucker, you get everything, you get access to the deli, which is worth its weight and goal just for that.
[SPEAKER_02]: But then all the bonus content and you know we're gonna do stuff for G1.
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, I'm going to Chicago.
[SPEAKER_02]: I have things in my head right now that I'm bouncing off myself that I want to do and we'll see if, you know, I come up with 100 ideas and I might do three, but you know, there's going to be more.
[SPEAKER_02]: And you know what's coming into a big time for a new Japan, a big summer season.
[SPEAKER_02]: So there's going to be plenty.
[SPEAKER_02]: So get on board now, kids, get on board now.
[SPEAKER_01]: So you are very good at asking questions to people about things that are interested in.
[SPEAKER_01]: I like asking questions to people about things that are not interested in, things that are gradually disliked.
[SPEAKER_01]: So my question to you, Damon, is how you feel in about Ecuador versus the Ivory Coast?
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, I have to work that game.
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't give a single shit.
[SPEAKER_01]: Do you have access to the players like will you be able would you if I told you they've made that I think is worth speaking to would you be able to find that player and talk to them?
[SPEAKER_02]: No, because my understanding is that you are given access to players, so where the fill of the Eagles locker room is, I've been in there a trillion times, they converted that to the press room, right?
[SPEAKER_02]: So it feels like it's just going to be one room that goes sit on a desk with a microphone and there's the media and you know, in shares, asking questions.
[SPEAKER_02]: The problem is this, is that the clients that I have, as such, why I have to do a post game rabbit.
[SPEAKER_02]: Basically, what happened in the game?
[SPEAKER_02]: 30 seconds, boom, from, and I don't even know how I'm going to close, because I can't usually, when I'm there, it's from the link in Philadelphia, I'm Damon McDonald.
[SPEAKER_02]: just plug the SuperJacos Patreon, but I think like the name of the of the stadium linking fund Lincoln Financial Field, you feel want to allow it to be named that.
[SPEAKER_02]: So all the signage for Lincoln Financial Field is now just Philadelphia Stadium.
[SPEAKER_01]: Right?
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know why that's so funny to me.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, Philadelphia is stadium.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's exactly what it's called.
[SPEAKER_02]: Philadelphia Stadium, right?
[SPEAKER_02]: We have lots of stadiums in Philadelphia.
[SPEAKER_02]: We're from Philadelphia Stadium.
[SPEAKER_02]: And so I don't, I don't think I will have any chance of saying, can I speak to Jim Jimble Bob?
[SPEAKER_02]: That's not gonna happen.
[SPEAKER_02]: They're gonna card out people who,
[SPEAKER_02]: probably captains, goal scores, maybe a gold tender head coach, and that would be about it.
[SPEAKER_01]: English speakers presumably they're going to be a...
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh yeah, I would think, but I mean, I'm assuming there's media from the ivory coast from, I don't know, I like I don't know what I'm walking into because I've never been to in an event that wasn't run by either a
[SPEAKER_02]: But it's not that different from any other of that, right?
[SPEAKER_02]: This is different, like, and Joe, I mean, I still don't know where I can park.
[SPEAKER_02]: I still don't know if I can park.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, you're not allowed to park or walk to stadiums.
[SPEAKER_01]: You have to pay a million dollars to get the official for sanctioned pass because the company have rubbed by absolute ghouls.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yes, well, that's for get that.
[SPEAKER_02]: You joke, but
[SPEAKER_02]: There is no parking allowed in the stadium complex.
[SPEAKER_01]: I heard they're not letting people take water bottles into the stadium.
[SPEAKER_01]: You have to buy water in the stadium.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's like a James Bond villain would do.
[SPEAKER_01]: I swear that's the plot.
[SPEAKER_01]: It would be fucking cool to be honest.
[SPEAKER_02]: This and sweat.
[SPEAKER_02]: And so one, I believe they took that back.
[SPEAKER_02]: So I believe you can bring a bottle of water if you're a fan.
[SPEAKER_02]: So I'm in the media.
[SPEAKER_02]: I need to be in a well air conditioned press box with plenty of beverages of my choice.
[SPEAKER_01]: So I'm sorry, I saw a fatty tweet saying if FIFA could put like a credit card scandal on the fire exits they would.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's accurate.
[SPEAKER_02]: So I'm gathering the water bottle situation has been rectified and you are allowed.
[SPEAKER_02]: But today, and tomorrow, and the weekend, it's blazing hot here.
[SPEAKER_02]: Like it's 100 degrees Fahrenheit here.
[SPEAKER_02]: Now, and tomorrow will be the same, over 100.
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't know what that is, Celsius, I'm not doing math.
[SPEAKER_02]: So it's fucking brutal out right now.
[SPEAKER_02]: I can't imagine.
[SPEAKER_02]: And here's the thing, too.
[SPEAKER_02]: Like, I can't say no one cares, but no one cares.
[SPEAKER_02]: And they've priced people out.
[SPEAKER_02]: So it's not like a casual soccer football person, they're kid plays on the youth league.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's into it, tickets are just ridiculous.
[SPEAKER_02]: They get in prices, like 200 bucks, 300 bucks.
[SPEAKER_02]: And that's like your change in light bulbs at the top.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's it's it's ridiculous and you can't get you can't drive there ever look there is no public transportation to get to the stadiums unless you go into center city filled it out Yeah, and then take the broad street subway down to the stadiums.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm gonna be honest with you
[SPEAKER_02]: If you live in South Jersey like I do, or you live in the Philadelphia suburbs out west, you know, you're not taking a fucking train because our mass transit is probably the worst in the country.
[SPEAKER_02]: Legitimately, it's the worst.
[SPEAKER_02]: It is dog shit.
[SPEAKER_02]: Um, trains just not running.
[SPEAKER_02]: And, you know, they don't have enough conductors.
[SPEAKER_02]: And, oh, the lines are broken.
[SPEAKER_02]: And, John, you can Google it right now.
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, just Penn Station in New York.
[SPEAKER_02]: New Jersey transit, so people who work in New York and take a train until like Princeton, or Trenton, or not Lee, or even if they go further south into the, like, we're on that.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's been, it's been chaos for three days because of infrastructure issues.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's, this is, I, it's gonna be a logistical, logistical and mud nightmare.
[SPEAKER_02]: I have no idea what body cavity search I'm gonna have to go through to get in a fucking building.
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't know where I'm parking.
[SPEAKER_02]: I still don't even have my credential.
[SPEAKER_02]: Let's put it that way.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's just extremely funny that there was a lot of hammering about previous World Cups like South Africa in 2020, 2010, even Brazil in 2014, Russia, 2018, Qatar, 2022 with people quite rightly asking questions about the, you know, various
[SPEAKER_01]: Flickle, he writes issues, but also the country's ability to actually host the tournament and logistical sense about the infrastructure, but the biggest problems are arising with the fucking United States of America, I always think one, they're the ones that are pulling part of the seams, trying to host the football tournament.
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, here's the thing, it's a, it won't, if FIFA would get the fuck out of the way, like it's not like we don't have huge events, like trust me, there's going to be more people at an Eagles game in a middle of November, then there, then there will be in any of these fucking games for the World Cup guarantee that it is like FIFA's attempts to monetize and bring every single last sent out of every aspect of the event as possible is making it untenable.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, and the use of that people will pay for convenience, like again, if you go to a sporting event and fill it up, you're driving.
[SPEAKER_02]: I would say, I'm not saying that people don't take trains, they absolutely do, but the lots are full with cars and there's a reason for that because, yeah, for me anyway, you hop over the bridge, you know, I make two
[SPEAKER_02]: but there's no train, like there's not train station, then there's train station to me is a good five miles away, at least, like it's just not happening.
[SPEAKER_02]: No, people drive, and if people could just drive, park, go to the game, and leave,
[SPEAKER_02]: This would be no wish.
[SPEAKER_02]: They have this, the FIFA fan fest, Joel.
[SPEAKER_02]: And you would think, OK, wouldn't it be in proximity of the stadiums, right?
[SPEAKER_02]: And we have, we have this park FDR park.
[SPEAKER_02]: Joel, right across the street.
[SPEAKER_02]: There are puns, and it's, and it's actually you can't believe you're in Philadelphia.
[SPEAKER_02]: You know, it's quite nice.
[SPEAKER_02]: Why not have it there?
[SPEAKER_02]: Now, they're going to have it a place called Lemon Hill, right?
[SPEAKER_02]: Lemon Hill is for those people who might know Philly or not, isn't the art museum where the Rocky steps that people know, right?
[SPEAKER_02]: So, but that's a good, two, four, five, maybe more miles away from where the stadium is, right?
[SPEAKER_02]: And you can't get there except for public transportation.
[SPEAKER_02]: You can't drive there.
[SPEAKER_02]: There is no parking.
[SPEAKER_02]: Everything's security to off.
[SPEAKER_02]: So if you're in center city, you have to take a bus.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's just, people just will not do that.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm sorry.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm not, well, I would never do that.
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't care if fucking the Smiths reformed.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm not doing that.
[SPEAKER_02]: So, look, Joel, this is gonna go over like a fart and church.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's just, and everyone's like, you turn on the news and you turn on everything's faith at this.
[SPEAKER_02]: Faith at that, faith at work, people at work.
[SPEAKER_02]: And, but if you talk to like normal human beings, they're just like, oh, I'm giving my shit fuck, who fucking cares?
[SPEAKER_02]: And they're talking about the infrastructure in it, and it's, if they just let it be, it would just be like an Eagles game or concert at the link.
[SPEAKER_02]: or Philly's game.
[SPEAKER_02]: Like, like we know how to do that.
[SPEAKER_02]: The stadiums are right next to each other.
[SPEAKER_02]: The baseball stadium is right across the street from the football stadium, which is right across the street from the hockey and basketball arena.
[SPEAKER_02]: Like, it's all right there.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's not that fucking difficult, but FIFA has found the way to just massively fuck.
[SPEAKER_02]: everything.
[SPEAKER_02]: And so the answer to your question, Joel.
[SPEAKER_02]: I, again, I had to pick up my credential.
[SPEAKER_02]: I still have no idea where.
[SPEAKER_02]: I have no idea where, if if I can even park, let alone where, I don't, I don't know shit right now.
[SPEAKER_02]: They have told us nothing.
[SPEAKER_02]: So,
[SPEAKER_02]: There's a good possibility for the money I'm making off of this.
[SPEAKER_02]: I might be like, you know, I'm good, but I came down with a diphtheria.
[SPEAKER_02]: I can't go.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's all going to be shit.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm not going to be shit.
[SPEAKER_01]: This is unfortunate, because I was hoping this segment would be me trying to get you excited about it.
[SPEAKER_01]: Now, I've been going to say exactly what I've given you, some interesting factoid and players that I've got interesting stories going into this, but instead it's become a really exhausting and demoralising and discerning, tiring about it.
[SPEAKER_01]: Accessibility features if I go to these events, I go to see a guy called Piero in Capia, who's an Ecuador defender, tell him he's got a nice bum.
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, I'll definitely do that.
[SPEAKER_02]: And hopefully they'll take my credential from me immediately and I won't have to go again.
[SPEAKER_02]: That'll be wonderful.
[SPEAKER_02]: That sounds like a great idea to me.
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, you have no idea how much I'm not looking for to this.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's just, it's going to be hot and it's not like I can show up in fucking shorts.
[SPEAKER_01]: And you don't have Mexico versus South Africa under the background while we're according to you.
[SPEAKER_02]: No, but I will say this.
[SPEAKER_02]: So my new cat, my new pal, like playing left wing for everything.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's right.
[SPEAKER_01]: Nice, well.
[SPEAKER_02]: I didn't be more familiar with his playing, so.
[SPEAKER_02]: It'd be better like, I'm a D.R.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'll tell you that for nothing.
[SPEAKER_02]: Good luck, right?
[SPEAKER_02]: That's a little zinger for any man you know if he has listening.
[SPEAKER_02]: Take that one.
[SPEAKER_02]: He likes, uh, he, he, he has very much, very much, formal.
[SPEAKER_02]: So in other words, if he's lying on the couch, and I'm sitting on the couch watching TV,
[SPEAKER_02]: and I get up to whatever, take a piss if I get up to get something eat if I get up to put away socks or whatever.
[SPEAKER_02]: He's up instantly, like, what do you think?
[SPEAKER_02]: What's going on, what's going on?
[SPEAKER_02]: How does it affect me?
[SPEAKER_02]: Very simple, that's what it is.
[SPEAKER_02]: And so I turn on the TV while he's sleeping so that he hears voices and things into us.
[SPEAKER_02]: I swear to God, do you think I'm kidding?
[SPEAKER_01]: So, and then play the Super J cost room, then it's not a bad idea actually, it's not a bad idea.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, really cool.
[SPEAKER_01]: It definitely knows you.
[SPEAKER_02]: You trust me, you can believe it.
[SPEAKER_02]: You'll be just sleeping five seconds.
[SPEAKER_01]: But then there might be bits with a scampy from your episodes, isn't it?
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know.
[SPEAKER_02]: Imagine that.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, imagine that, because he does, like, so I don't know if you do this with scamps,
[SPEAKER_02]: Do you do that?
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, it's terrible, okay.
[SPEAKER_02]: You know what to mention, okay?
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't know.
[SPEAKER_02]: He watches, like, we'll put on YouTube videos of like fish or like squirrels.
[SPEAKER_02]: And she says, what is this video?
[SPEAKER_02]: Yes, like having a toddler.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, we'll put on, like, like, Cheryl, we'll put on our iPad, like this fucking video, which is like, like a bird feeder, like a live feed from a bird feeder.
[SPEAKER_01]: But I've not read the guidance about screen time and cats.
[SPEAKER_01]: This is my bed in the library early.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm warping his brain.
[SPEAKER_02]: But he also likes, so we have these kind of plexiglas storm doors in front of each of our doors.
[SPEAKER_02]: So the door that leads out to the back deck is just plexiglas, e-glass from top to bottom, right?
[SPEAKER_02]: So we'll open the main door and lock the storm door and then sure we'll put out peanuts on the back deck.
[SPEAKER_02]: So the squirrels would come up.
[SPEAKER_02]: So he just has a fucking field day.
[SPEAKER_02]: He's like twitching and shit.
[SPEAKER_02]: He's like, oh fucking this is great.
[SPEAKER_02]: This is fucking awesome.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I'm telling you for like two hours.
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't hear if I have to go out and be like, is he still alive out here?
[SPEAKER_02]: Is it weird?
[SPEAKER_02]: We okay.
[SPEAKER_02]: He's just fucking digging it.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, there you go, cat tails.
[SPEAKER_02]: Maybe I'll, maybe I'll line it.
[SPEAKER_02]: me while doing a little cat tails for the picture.
[SPEAKER_02]: Cat stories.
[SPEAKER_02]: From Finn, Finn Cat stories.
[SPEAKER_02]: There you go.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's my cat.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, honestly, get trying to see if you can find some sort of cat expert to interview.
[SPEAKER_01]: That would be good content.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm not joking.
[SPEAKER_02]: Really?
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't think I would be good.
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't think, well, maybe I would be.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm really good at everything when it comes to that, but I don't know.
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't know.
[SPEAKER_02]: But yeah, I'll figure something.
[SPEAKER_02]: But you know what, though, I was going to ask, like, hey, if people have
[SPEAKER_02]: people that they want to hear, I'm all in.
[SPEAKER_01]: But again, like, I just want to be a little different.
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't want to do the, and this is no offense, but I just kind of don't want to do the podcast or around table, you know what I mean?
[SPEAKER_02]: I guess kind of just want to, you know, I just want to have different things that isn't the same.
[SPEAKER_02]: So again, it might not be every week that I have something in my goal is to have something every week.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, may not happen because my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my
[SPEAKER_01]: Let's see if we show off-topic banter we will have to talk about some wrestling now.
[SPEAKER_01]: So hold your nose.
[SPEAKER_01]: Here's an interesting thing that popped up.
[SPEAKER_01]: They have announced a wrestling match for Forbidden Door.
[SPEAKER_01]: Did you see this one?
[SPEAKER_02]: No.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's Kenneth Omega versus Zachary Saber Jr.
[SPEAKER_02]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't think they've rested each other since the, I want to say the 2018 grade one climax.
[SPEAKER_02]: So, I mean, singles match, two studs, I mean, you know, they're both equally, I mean, not equally banged up, but they're both banged up, but okay, no problem.
[SPEAKER_02]: They'll find ways around it.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's that's worth it right there Christ.
[SPEAKER_02]: I hope G1 get something fucking sexy like that.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's for God.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm sure, but Yeah, that's not a bad match.
[SPEAKER_02]: You know, it's not that I like I Hate when they just shoehorn in matches And they and they skimped out on really quality singles matches.
[SPEAKER_01]: This is good
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm I'm I'm I'm happy to hear that.
[SPEAKER_02]: Let's go.
[SPEAKER_02]: When is forbidden or man I ask I don't even know when the fuck the day is
[SPEAKER_01]: That is a good question.
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know either.
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't have that information to hand.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm going to look up it.
[SPEAKER_01]: All right, so I can place June 28.
[SPEAKER_02]: Okay, so right around the corner, okay, and then and do you know how any idea where that is?
[SPEAKER_01]: Is that in Seattle or it's in San Jose kind of for us at the SAP Center or the SAP Center as it may be.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yes, I'm going to be.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I'm going to the SAP Center.
[SPEAKER_02]: If I'm not mistaken, the home of these San Jose sharks, the NHL, thank you very much.
[SPEAKER_01]: I wonder how many tickets I got for that?
[SPEAKER_02]: So, that's a good match though.
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, seriously, I can't complain about that one.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's sexy for a Western audience, that's for sure.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, I will watch that for sure.
[SPEAKER_01]: And like, I'm not holding my breath for this to be any kind of New Japan Cross-Sophage.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think we know what forbidden door is at this point.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's an AWS show.
[SPEAKER_01]: So,
[SPEAKER_01]: wrestlers will be selected according to the interest level that's Tony Collins slash the AW audience half like I don't I know there are some people that might get upset and think like I should be a platform for more new Japan wrestlers but that Tony Collins not necessarily obliged to do that so I expect we will see a smattering of new Japan talent on that but I do not really get that much to be honest I didn't
[SPEAKER_01]: I think go to it when it was in London, but like I said, Kenny versus Zack saw me up.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm absolutely watched that.
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, again, to me, there's no reason not to watch that.
[SPEAKER_02]: It'll at least that.
[SPEAKER_02]: Everything else could be shit.
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't know, whatever.
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't have to watch everything.
[SPEAKER_02]: That match sounds really good.
[SPEAKER_01]: Birding home is as where do you see New Japan playing a role at Wembley this year?
[SPEAKER_01]: I think open and for always.
[SPEAKER_01]: No, they're going to be playing against Arsenal in the community shield, either man city or dissolved once the 115 charges taken.
[SPEAKER_01]: They will be kicked out of the community shield and it will be Arsenal versus 11 New Japan wrestlers at Webley for the traditional
[SPEAKER_01]: is the goalkeeper?
[SPEAKER_02]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_01]: I was going to do a bit where we're picking players at rest as to be players, but that sounds horrendous.
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't want to do that.
[SPEAKER_01]: So just I'm abandoning that, that's right.
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't want to, no, no, no, we're moving on.
[SPEAKER_01]: Um, right, so, oh, okay, this is interesting.
[SPEAKER_01]: Darrell says I see Baddu Tito with a match against Kenny this weekend.
[SPEAKER_01]: has he been a missed opportunity?
[SPEAKER_01]: Anyone else from strong slash co-video you wish was given more of an opportunity?
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, the one I wanted to see get the opportunity was Jake and Boston Younger.
[SPEAKER_01]: He's in the fucking best of the super juniors now.
[SPEAKER_01]: So I'm winning.
[SPEAKER_01]: There's not a day goes by where I don't think about the regal twins just dropped off the face yet.
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know whatever happened to those.
[SPEAKER_02]: What about what about straight dog army?
[SPEAKER_02]: Straight dog army?
[SPEAKER_02]: Um, oh my god, why am I having a such a brain fart?
[SPEAKER_02]: Who fused it with Fred Rasser?
[SPEAKER_02]: Uh, it's all blowler.
[SPEAKER_02]: Time low.
[SPEAKER_02]: Um, there's that's that's a name that I I can't believe.
[SPEAKER_02]: Realty.
[SPEAKER_02]: He is filthy.
[SPEAKER_02]: Um, that was that point.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, I was desperate for team filthy to come over to Japan and that to be like the next new faction in New Japan.
[SPEAKER_02]: But maybe I should just put you in a town all or an email.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, that's a good idea.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'll say it'd be really interesting to talk to you, okay.
[SPEAKER_02]: Maybe I'll do that.
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't know.
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, what we, I don't have it.
[SPEAKER_02]: Why would I have an email for Tom Lawler?
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, we have the DM him.
[SPEAKER_02]: We'll say, we'll figure that.
[SPEAKER_02]: But yeah, Lawler would be one.
[SPEAKER_02]: Again, strong was just such a fucking misstep.
[SPEAKER_01]: I just think of all these random names, like there was one guy, A.J.
[SPEAKER_01]: Z.
[SPEAKER_01]: There was a Jordan knee, knee, knee, knee, knee, knee, knee, knee, knee, knee, knee, knee, knee, knee, knee, knee, knee, knee, knee, knee, knee, knee, knee, knee, knee, knee, knee, knee, knee, knee, knee, knee, knee, knee, knee, knee, knee, knee, knee, knee, knee, knee, knee, knee, knee, knee, knee, knee, knee, knee, knee, knee, knee, knee, knee, knee, knee, knee, knee, knee, knee, knee, knee, knee, knee, knee, knee, knee, knee, knee, knee, knee, knee, knee, knee, knee, knee, knee, knee, knee, knee, knee, knee, knee, knee, knee, knee, knee, knee, knee, knee, knee, knee, knee, knee, knee, knee, knee,
[SPEAKER_02]: Who was the referee?
[SPEAKER_02]: There was a referee and didn't you referee a match at the dome?
[SPEAKER_02]: Why is this a memory of mine?
[SPEAKER_02]: And something got bonked.
[SPEAKER_02]: And then I think it might have been that the referee's, but I don't know, I've seen to forget, do you remember what I'm talking about?
[SPEAKER_02]: I might just think you've dreamed of something.
[SPEAKER_02]: Really?
[SPEAKER_02]: Okay, somebody helped me.
[SPEAKER_02]: I, because why is that a memory that I have in my head?
[SPEAKER_02]: You know, the one guy who survived all of this when it came to strong is that fucking, that big, uh, photographer, you see him at all the shows, you know, I mean, that guy, you don't talk about the beard like he's at every fucking show he's the one guy that survived strong, um, he's at every goddamn show.
[SPEAKER_02]: Good for him.
[SPEAKER_02]: Um, yeah, at luck.
[SPEAKER_02]: The prop.
[SPEAKER_02]: problem with strong those at one new Japan really didn't commit obviously and two it always felt like you were getting new Japan light or you know a version of new Japan that really wasn't new Japan and um what was the guy's name now I'm just going through the fucking roster there was some sex pest allegations with the dude
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, Chris Dickinson.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: I remember everybody.
[SPEAKER_01]: We got him canceled.
[SPEAKER_01]: Poor guy.
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, not poor guy.
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, you know, in poor guy in the sense that he made fucking dumb decisions in his life.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: I remember that.
[SPEAKER_02]: And then they showed up at a, listen, there was another guy.
[SPEAKER_02]: I think his name was, um, ah, he came out.
[SPEAKER_02]: He was like, uh, he had the mask, uh, steam punk mask.
[SPEAKER_02]: Uh, he was really good.
[SPEAKER_01]: He should bring the operation.
[SPEAKER_01]: Martin.
[SPEAKER_02]: I think it was skirt would be Martin Scurvy.
[SPEAKER_02]: Was a name for something.
[SPEAKER_01]: They should bring him back.
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, boy.
[SPEAKER_01]: What, what, what, what, what
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, right, best of the super genius.
[SPEAKER_01]: Um, so semi finals we had, um, Robbie Eagle's vs. Kosey Fisher, which was really good.
[SPEAKER_01]: And then Kose, uh, Monat, Master Wato vs. Yo, which you thought was going to be really good.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I told you, was not going to be good.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I don't think it was good.
[SPEAKER_01]: So I want you to say that you were wrong, and I was right, and the match was shit, and you're a boob.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm a boob that's already determined many times over to I was wrong it was not for I wasn't even close it was okay, but it was yeah it was not
[SPEAKER_02]: anywhere near where I was kind of projecting it could possibly land.
[SPEAKER_02]: It did that.
[SPEAKER_01]: So yes, Tom Wato tapping out to his own submission, well, no, it was the tensan submission move in front of tensan.
[SPEAKER_01]: Do you think that was sort of unnecessarily geeking about?
[SPEAKER_01]: If that were even possible to make him look even, how do you, how do you, how do you, how do you, how do you, how do you, I mean,
[SPEAKER_02]: No, no, I don't think anybody.
[SPEAKER_02]: Look, if it were vice versa, are you going to be like, oh, the fucking bird, yo, like it could have been, it could have been either one of the people, you know, it could have been any, it didn't matter to me, if it was yo or if it was water, they're both the same in my eyes.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's not, it's like, right, not, it's the living
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, I mean, listen to them, somebody does obviously doesn't think so because of all that had occurred in best of the Super Junior, but yeah, in my mind that they're one of the same.
[SPEAKER_02]: You just fucking they're interplanetable.
[SPEAKER_02]: So no, it didn't bother me at all.
[SPEAKER_01]: Then the final, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: So this was its O2City General Gymnasium 3,969 people in attendance.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's a good number, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: Apparently I did a re-something like that's the biggest number that they've done in that building since the LIGA retirement.
[SPEAKER_01]: There's no ceremony like that, yeah, I think so.
[SPEAKER_01]: So really good number.
[SPEAKER_01]: I got panicked to them there.
[SPEAKER_01]: So this has been quite a controversial match, as you could probably tell by reading other questions.
[SPEAKER_01]: So we've got a draw, says, why did Cyber Agent Ruin use your plan for arresting?
[SPEAKER_01]: Lady Guy Fieri says, is you good actually?
[SPEAKER_01]: Andrew says, big or active terrorism, 9-11, or the 9-11 match
[SPEAKER_01]: I've got some Sarah on Twitter saying, oh no.
[SPEAKER_01]: who taught you guys the term Fujo Bates and how do we get them to pay for their crimes?
[SPEAKER_01]: As soon as I heard that, I was like a monkey with an AK-47.
[SPEAKER_01]: I cannot be stopped and look, if you can tell me that I'm wrong with my application of that, I'm more Liz, but so far, I'm only seeing people who are angry at me saying that, but not being able to explain why I'm wrong, or it's not for any kind of justified defense to that.
[SPEAKER_01]: So, until you can prove you wrong with facts, I'm just going to sound very much on the right side of history there.
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, it's a very confusing match for me to talk about because they're like multiple angles to analyze this because some people didn't.
[SPEAKER_01]: Give me the people who loved it like I want to know what they loved about it.
[SPEAKER_01]: So here's the thing it was over You cannot deny that the people in that building were absolutely loving it They were living or dying like that is the loudest news background crowd.
[SPEAKER_01]: I've heard for a very long time So I cannot
[SPEAKER_01]: argue and say that it was not a successful match in what it aimed to deliver.
[SPEAKER_01]: Again, for those fans who were invested in it, I'm sure it was very exciting.
[SPEAKER_01]: It was, I would say, well, wrestled, like I had big problems with structural and narrative elements in the match, which I'll talk about later, but I think it was very well executed for what they were trying to do,
[SPEAKER_01]: I would say it's a, you know, a feel good moment for you, who has,
[SPEAKER_01]: got some kind of narrative redemption there and I don't think I can necessarily argue against the decision to have him win best the Super Junior.
[SPEAKER_01]: He brought it up last week.
[SPEAKER_01]: He's a dojo guy and at some point you've got to throw a bone there so they're not a complete irrelevance.
[SPEAKER_01]: I am cautious though about analyzing it and saying, oh, because the fans in attendance laughed at it and it was over and it was a good decision because
[SPEAKER_01]: as you well know, I was sat there a weirdly stadium where there were like 60, 70,000 odd fucking idiots clapping like seals for MJF versus Adam Cole putting on one of the most horrendous wrestling matches of all time and every other fucker in that stadium was loving it apart from me.
[SPEAKER_01]: I was the only person sitting there going, excuse me, this is dog shit.
[SPEAKER_01]: So I don't think you can necessarily say it was over with a live crowd as a benchmark of
[SPEAKER_01]: just a brilliant, movable round because, you know, I use an example like if I take my children to McDonald's for a happy meal, they will enjoy it, they love it, they're having a wonderful time eating their cheeseburger and fries for a good food.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'll tell you that from nothing.
[SPEAKER_01]: So there's that error on this as well.
[SPEAKER_01]: So let's just before I talk about my problems with
[SPEAKER_01]: the match itself.
[SPEAKER_01]: What do you think of it, you know, try to be objective and think about the life fans and the, you know, whether or not it was the right decision to have, you win this tournament, because you do all the trials and tribulations you've been through and like, you know, trying to make him into
[SPEAKER_01]: A guy, not the guy, but, you know, be a player, a commodity in a division and repay the loyalty of all those times, because he's obviously got a certain level of charisma, and I almost respect him in a way for the fact that he has stuck to his guns, and he is a complete weirdo, and he hasn't compromised that, like this is obviously his creative vision for the character.
[SPEAKER_01]: So part of me, that's, you know, good on you for sticking to that and expressing yourself
[SPEAKER_01]: find most fulfilling, even if it's not to my taste.
[SPEAKER_01]: So how do you tackle it from that perspective, from the yo enjoys?
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: So when yo beat Watto, I mean I sat here and talked about, well they're one of the same and didn't really matter.
[SPEAKER_02]: It kind of did.
[SPEAKER_02]: In the sense of when he did win,
[SPEAKER_02]: You, I really felt like, okay, it looks like this guy's one in this thing, especially when you consider the fact that we got a replay of the best of the Super Junior's finals.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I found it a little bit difficult to believe that like, Fujita would go to an O back-to-back years, same opponent.
[SPEAKER_02]: So, there's a part of me that was like, okay, it was kind of written in the stars before the match he would start.
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't think it would come to a shock for anyone listening to this, that this was not for me.
[SPEAKER_02]: The Tribute Acts, the...
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm sure, like, like, it felt like the crowd wanted, like, ate it up.
[SPEAKER_02]: Let's just lapped that shit up.
[SPEAKER_02]: Um, so, yeah, I mean, if you're yo, why not go to the well several times?
[SPEAKER_02]: Because if you're getting a response, like you did, why not do that?
[SPEAKER_02]: Um, jankles fuck out of those keys.
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, just, right.
[SPEAKER_02]: It was not for me, I felt it.
[SPEAKER_02]: Here's, like, I sat here, and I think it was about you.
[SPEAKER_02]: It could have been about somebody else, but my memory serves me.
[SPEAKER_02]: I sat here and I said, you know, if they just went paint by numbers to another match, just copy another match, right?
[SPEAKER_02]: Then I say that, and you'll be good, just fucking do that.
[SPEAKER_02]: We're crying out loud.
[SPEAKER_02]: You did it, you took it literally.
[SPEAKER_02]: You took it literally.
[SPEAKER_02]: He did that, uh, lo and behold, I didn't like it, um, like, when we go back in time, we've seen this before, and it felt like it had a little bit more significance historically when, say, like, um, I don't know, pick a fucking bullet club guide.
[SPEAKER_02]: doing the G1 fight all, yes, of all previous bullet club leaders, yeah, right because it felt like that person was not only trying to get the win, he's he's trying to make a stamp for himself and again win G1.
[SPEAKER_02]: And he maybe felt like the things that I have in my tool chest.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's not gonna get the job done.
[SPEAKER_02]: I have to go to people that when I was a middle guy or just starting out in this faction, these were the people that I look to and who have accomplished so much and you know, we're gonna do them.
[SPEAKER_02]: So it kind of made sense.
[SPEAKER_02]: For you,
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm sure there's backstage closeness.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm sure there's a story in there and a breadcrum that good old Damon is blind to.
[SPEAKER_01]: So it was last year.
[SPEAKER_01]: The story was there last year, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, sifted through the wreckage of chaos.
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, as it was, it had fairly recently.
[SPEAKER_01]: died on it, chaos.
[SPEAKER_01]: It was quite, it had been dissolved, not a huge amount of time before that best of superjuvenation as far as I thought it made sense last year.
[SPEAKER_01]: But now you do the exact same thing this year.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like what has happened in the last 12 months?
[SPEAKER_01]: Like chaos related, that made it an appropriate thing to go back to.
[SPEAKER_01]: Who is still thinking about chaos?
[SPEAKER_01]: Like, and again,
[SPEAKER_01]: He came up with the idea last year and then some of thought, oh, actually, that was really good.
[SPEAKER_01]: Let's do it again this year, but this time you win.
[SPEAKER_01]: Which seems just very lazily.
[SPEAKER_01]: And the lies, I think, a lack of confidence in yourself to rely on other superior wrestlers, moves, and
[SPEAKER_01]: Who aren't there is, aren't there anymore.
[SPEAKER_01]: Do you do your own thing, my guy?
[SPEAKER_01]: Right.
[SPEAKER_02]: Isn't this what this was all about?
[SPEAKER_02]: The idea of elevating yo to a certain level in the fans' eyes to get to a certain point.
[SPEAKER_02]: Now again, where the fans lapping it up, yes.
[SPEAKER_02]: But, name me a best of the super junior final where they didn't lap things up.
[SPEAKER_02]: Like, it's pre-baked, it's there.
[SPEAKER_02]: They're going to root for the people in that final.
[SPEAKER_02]: Like, people are going to pick aside.
[SPEAKER_01]: Um, so I don't know, like, I think I would have to say that there was obviously something about the match structure there in the story there that was really resonating with the Yo-Fans, like, again, we're not Yo-Fans, but
[SPEAKER_01]: There must have been, if you are ride or die with that, must have been incredibly satisfying and to, you know, yeah, this could cut you out of it last year with him failing in the big one.
[SPEAKER_01]: And now he's finally got it after everything he's been through.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like, if I'm trying to put myself in the mindset of a yo hardcore and be like, yeah, that must have been great if you're a yo fan, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I sure, absolutely.
[SPEAKER_02]: Why not?
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't know.
[SPEAKER_01]: You don't want to keep the guy out, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: Obviously, there are very passionate and noisy section of the fan base.
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know in terms of numbers and stuff, how much merch he's moving or whatever.
[SPEAKER_01]: But I understand wanting to throw a bone for them and be like, yeah, the guy that you love so much is important to this company.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I will say this, at least at least they went for it.
[SPEAKER_02]: like they saw an opportunity, they heard the fan base, and maybe, maybe, again, goofy or things in pro wrestling have certainly fucking happened.
[SPEAKER_02]: They said, OK, we're going to go, we're going to do it with yo.
[SPEAKER_02]: And maybe it catches fire.
[SPEAKER_02]: And maybe it was Joe that mentioned this.
[SPEAKER_02]: They me a hotter guy, and hot not as in.
[SPEAKER_02]: I got a hard on, and I'm gonna jack it.
[SPEAKER_02]: Hotter as in, like, fan response.
[SPEAKER_02]: At least this little pocket of time, then yo.
[SPEAKER_02]: So they lean, they lean, then do it.
[SPEAKER_02]: So I have to give New Japan credit for, again, giving it a chance.
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't think there's anything wrong with that.
[SPEAKER_02]: Why not?
[SPEAKER_02]: Give it a chance.
[SPEAKER_01]: I find quite strange, the kind of casual response to this match, it seems to be very generous, like people who are not necessarily hardcore, new Japan fans, a lot of them vote voices wrestling slacks saying that they love the match.
[SPEAKER_01]: Dave Meltzer saying he thought it was a great match as well.
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, to me,
[SPEAKER_01]: I absolutely hated it, like I was, I took my phone away, you know, full screen, I was like, I really locked in, I want to, you know, this is a significant match, that's the super genius final, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: This is one of the biggest singles matches in the year, so I wanted to be locked in and have really analysed it and have insightful takes.
[SPEAKER_01]: And then after about five minutes, when I saw what was happening up.
[SPEAKER_01]: I was just absolutely disgusted.
[SPEAKER_01]: I was like, this, I hate this, I hate everything about this.
[SPEAKER_01]: I was talking to the friend Josh from Wheel of Stiff about this and he coises this term, like, the marvelification of wrestling, where it's all just, you know, member berries and cool backs and just emotes and tributes and things like that.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I just felt there was absolutely no substance to the match whatsoever aside for it.
[SPEAKER_01]: It was just like,
[SPEAKER_01]: bit of wrestling, chaos trippy, bit of wrestling, chaos trippy, bit of wrestling, chaos trippy.
[SPEAKER_01]: So I absolutely despise it because of that.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I just feel that's such a cheap way of structuring a match, which again, like fucking do your own moves, but get your own stuff over, tell your own story.
[SPEAKER_01]: But I cannot disregard the fact that a lot of other people have watched this and thought, yeah, this is fantastic.
[SPEAKER_01]: People have loved this match.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, but you know what, no, don't remind me of like you're familiar with like reaction videos like people, remind me of that in the sense of you're not really creating the content, your, you know, your wacky face, you know, it's the same one.
[SPEAKER_02]: You're seeing one of these dumb videos, you've seen a million of them.
[SPEAKER_02]: Like, do I care about some shmo in suburban Kansas City and the reaction to a
[SPEAKER_02]: Um, that's what it felt like, like, if you were to, to take that element of, you know, is this, is that modern per wrestling?
[SPEAKER_02]: Like, like, is that what, what, where we are?
[SPEAKER_02]: Is that, you know what I want to do?
[SPEAKER_02]: What do I mean?
[SPEAKER_02]: And if you a person who really liked it,
[SPEAKER_02]: Like, like, it obviously was not geared toward or at least what I felt was geared toward me.
[SPEAKER_01]: And yeah, that's fine.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think it's important we acknowledge that time and then say, like, not everything has to be curated to our specific taste.
[SPEAKER_01]: Sometimes things happen and we just take a step back and we say, okay, I hated that.
[SPEAKER_01]: That wasn't for me, but you know, find that's that's okay.
[SPEAKER_01]: Not everything does have to be for me.
[SPEAKER_02]: Right.
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean,
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, at that's part of the beauty of what pro wrestling is, that you can have all these different interpretations.
[SPEAKER_02]: Look, it didn't.
[SPEAKER_02]: There were, like, I saw, I saw some of the discourse being the fact that you can not like a match, but still think that the match was good.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I
[SPEAKER_02]: It's kind of like calm and wrestling, you know, calm and wrestling is not for me, but I can appreciate that it that when it's done well, you got me, like to go talk about the other day.
[SPEAKER_01]: And it was effective.
[SPEAKER_01]: It wasn't good.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I think less of people who thought this was a great match because I think you'd probably quite unintelligent.
[SPEAKER_01]: I've not called it like it is David.
[SPEAKER_01]: What else do you like?
[SPEAKER_01]: That's not a match exactly.
[SPEAKER_01]: You like this.
[SPEAKER_01]: Good knows what else you enjoy.
[SPEAKER_01]: But it was effective in delivering an experience to that subsection of the crowds and the kind of dementia things that they enjoy.
[SPEAKER_01]: So it was successful and effective.
[SPEAKER_01]: It wasn't good.
[SPEAKER_02]: I agree with that.
[SPEAKER_02]: I would agree with that.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I don't think that is a long take.
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't think it's a long take if you really liked it.
[SPEAKER_02]: Like, okay, cool.
[SPEAKER_01]: And this is not just to say you are less intelligent than us, because you liked it.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's for you to go and think about.
[SPEAKER_01]: Correct.
[SPEAKER_02]: And that's what this whole show is about.
[SPEAKER_02]: Let's be honest, right?
[SPEAKER_02]: You have to make that decision for you and what you like would it tell your apologies later?
[SPEAKER_02]: No doubt, but yeah, let's not let's not confuse this with, you know, the the the greatness of Pro Wrestling matches of all time like to me there were there are absolute elements that we're missing.
[SPEAKER_02]: Like to me, there was not drama.
[SPEAKER_02]: To me, there was not a massive...
[SPEAKER_02]: physical struggle that I'd like to see in a big time, important pro wrestling match.
[SPEAKER_01]: It was just a checklist, wasn't it?
[SPEAKER_01]: It felt like just waiting him to go through all the moves that are escalating in, you know, prestige or successive that wrestlers, just like, okay, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, there's the, the yellow move, okay, there's Yoshi has to be, okay, we're going to get the goto move next, okay?
[SPEAKER_01]: No, no, no, no, no, no, no, the kind of move and there we go, there's the finish.
[SPEAKER_02]: Now again, if you ride or die with y'all,
[SPEAKER_02]: You probably have more emotional investment in it than I do.
[SPEAKER_02]: So right out of the gate, I'm at a disadvantage because truth be told, yeah, it does nothing for me, nothing.
[SPEAKER_02]: So, you know, I'm trying to find the emotional hook for me to draw me in, take me for a fucking ride.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I never got it.
[SPEAKER_02]: I never felt it.
[SPEAKER_02]: I never saw the entrance to the fucking highway.
[SPEAKER_02]: Never saw it.
[SPEAKER_02]: I drove right by it.
[SPEAKER_01]: I found, the most compelling, I found Gianna, I've said it before.
[SPEAKER_01]: It was last year in the Yano versus Supercessadango machine, New Japan DDT Cross overshadowed, they did, where they crafted the entire show, basically, around the story of Yo.
[SPEAKER_01]: Even though it was nominally, Yano versus Supercessadango machine, the heart of this story was Yo.
[SPEAKER_01]: The insecurity and the guilt that he carried being on the losing ends of the, that there was like a tag match 10 years or so ago was was like him and Tana Hashi against Takeshita and someone else and yo was on the losing side of that and then he's just about this story about how he's been harboring all this guilt.
[SPEAKER_01]: and negativity about letting New Japan down overall that time and being a scapegoat and all that stuff.
[SPEAKER_01]: And that was a brilliantly told story.
[SPEAKER_01]: It was original, it was creative and it was just absolutely idiocy and critically yellow.
[SPEAKER_01]: I only yo could have told the story in that form.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I almost feel like him just copying chaos moves was like beneath him because I've seen that he is capable of really creative stuff in a different environment, a different sort of medium of pro wrestling that I found way more original and compelling and all authentic to who, you know, might understand what the okay actor is than just being like, here's a goto move, here's an
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, defending him here.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think he's better than that.
[SPEAKER_02]: Again, I keep hoping for it.
[SPEAKER_02]: I keep hoping for that.
[SPEAKER_02]: And here's the thing, too.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's not like you didn't have a dance partner that couldn't come up with creative things, too, it felt like.
[SPEAKER_02]: It was just, I don't know, it was the void of anything compelling.
[SPEAKER_02]: It was a tribute act.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's like going to see a tribute act.
[SPEAKER_02]: Um, and I don't know, it, it, it, it, it could have been, one, I thought it was the creativity was bankrupt, I thought, uh,
[SPEAKER_02]: Again, I felt like we were just doing moves to pop the crowd.
[SPEAKER_02]: And that's, I mean, there's a time and a place for that.
[SPEAKER_01]: And juggling keys for the babies.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's what it was.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: And, you know, we're talking like, we're fucking high brow, you know, we're, you know, we're sitting there with a cigar and a, you know, fucking shabli while we're watching best of the super junior.
[SPEAKER_02]: Just, but I don't know, they're, I, I really kind of like, a big spot moment.
[SPEAKER_02]: You only have a handful of them a year.
[SPEAKER_02]: big time, big spotlight matches.
[SPEAKER_02]: You want more.
[SPEAKER_02]: You really do.
[SPEAKER_02]: These are benchmark moments, whether it's a junior, whether it's a, you know, singles, heavyweight, whether you're tag, whatever.
[SPEAKER_02]: Like there are benchmark mark key events where you kind of go into it with some expectations.
[SPEAKER_02]: They did not meet those expectations.
[SPEAKER_02]: Number one.
[SPEAKER_02]: And number two,
[SPEAKER_02]: I was just, look, again, it wasn't for me, but over and above that, I just felt like that's, like, you knew you were winning this, do you know what I mean?
[SPEAKER_02]: And even if you didn't, you had a day or two to come up with something.
[SPEAKER_02]: And that's what you came up with.
[SPEAKER_02]: We're here to get you overdo it and not for nothing.
[SPEAKER_02]: If we're in agreement that Fujita is the future of this company, like, I don't know.
[SPEAKER_02]: I kind of left a little bit of a sour taste of my mouth in the sense of, you find, oh, we'll be fine.
[SPEAKER_02]: But it was like, okay, you beat him with three moves that aren't even yours.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, that's not sustainable is it for you.
[SPEAKER_01]: No, he can't do that in every match, no?
[SPEAKER_01]: don't say that out loud.
[SPEAKER_01]: He's this is good.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yes, I fucking can.
[SPEAKER_02]: He's listening right now, apparently.
[SPEAKER_02]: Uh, yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, I mean, you know, he'd strange your things have happened.
[SPEAKER_02]: Now, where do you see him?
[SPEAKER_02]: All right.
[SPEAKER_02]: Maybe this is not what the future of New Japan Pro Wrestling is, but if we were looking for guys to fill certain spots, like if we were to say, and again, if we were to say, Suji is going to be a top four guy that this promotion is centered around.
[SPEAKER_02]: And now we have yo.
[SPEAKER_02]: Like to me, yo's ceiling is not
[SPEAKER_02]: Yo-sealing is not kushita.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yo-sealing is not like her, right?
[SPEAKER_02]: Yo-sealing is to Gucci, where once a year you might get something at, whoa, knock my fucking pants off.
[SPEAKER_02]: Wow, didn't see that one coming, but then I see just goofiness for 364 days out of the year.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_02]: I agree with that question.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, she's a statement that you can, you know, you guys work off of, but that's why I'm glad that they thrown him a bone and it's nice to see a dojo guy get his flowers and be successful and have his fans and have a nice moment and match that people have enjoyed.
[SPEAKER_01]: But I, you know, I have concerns about the long-term viability of it.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'd like I don't, what was the question?
[SPEAKER_01]: Nathan says, if you're first with the junior title for the 아무thee time, when do we trade it to DDT and what do we get in return?
[SPEAKER_01]: He's, he's, he's, he's, he's, like, junior heavyweight goto, but I just, I don't think he's, half is going to rest his hierarchy goto, it's, but I, like, the, the parallels are there.
[SPEAKER_01]: He's a guy who,
[SPEAKER_01]: is getting a crack at the, well, I, you know, he's not even won the junior title yet, but he is in that conversation because a load of other people have left or caught, or you know, they've had their time.
[SPEAKER_02]: I know, but we look at that fucking junior situation, and we talked about it where, you know, it felt like they were set up in a tag situation.
[SPEAKER_02]: They felt really juicy, and there was a lot of things you could, you could sync your teeth into.
[SPEAKER_02]: And from a singles perspective, it was just like, okay, they need to do some work.
[SPEAKER_02]: are there guys on that roster that you would have preferred to be in that spot as opposed to yo.
[SPEAKER_02]: Because I really do feel like this was a, hey, you know what, we have been with, you know, this guy has come up through the ranks and he went out on excursion and while,
[SPEAKER_02]: it may not have always landed with him.
[SPEAKER_02]: We have to continue like the company is just like I'm sticking my fingers in my ears and we're pushing it out with you because I look like a boob if if this if we just wash our hands of him.
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, yeah, that's another question.
[SPEAKER_02]: Are there people that you would have preferred to be in that nickname, of course?
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, of course.
[SPEAKER_01]: They were about, you know, the least half a dozen people in that best of Super Junior's feel that I would have rather seen.
[SPEAKER_01]: But again, I can't fault the decision to think, okay, we've got to go with you here otherwise he's, you know, we're geeking him out permanently in front of our fans and they can lose faith in him and we'd be, you know, killing off, oh, sadly New Japan has never done that before, Joel.
[SPEAKER_01]: Wow, that would be a source for this market company.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: No, I'd take your point.
[SPEAKER_01]: But yeah, of course there are other people that I would rather see.
[SPEAKER_01]: But I'm trying to be open-minded about this.
[SPEAKER_01]: Even though he's shit, the match was shit.
[SPEAKER_01]: Right.
[SPEAKER_01]: We're talking about ourselves into liking it, you know?
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: Can I ask you a question of the people that
[SPEAKER_02]: you see in our discord and like give me a percentage.
[SPEAKER_02]: It couldn't have been 50, 50, right?
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't know, Discord, you know, everyone hated it.
[SPEAKER_02]: Okay, all right, then the knowledgeable, yeah, but some Twitter random, like hitting you up me.
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, I know, I Discord's an echo chamber, like there's a lot of people on Twitter who would agree with me because I trash the match and I'll come on.
[SPEAKER_02]: You know what, you know what, when I saw the other day, people trying to sell me that Ronnie Garvin was a great wrestler.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I'm like, are you adding your fucking minds?
[SPEAKER_02]: Like, it's like, take the most mid guy on God's green earth.
[SPEAKER_02]: And now you're trying to tell me, like, like, you know, maybe it was a good idea that he won that title of a flare and be true.
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, are you any of your fucking skulls?
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm just, sometimes, like, sometimes I really feel like you pick
[SPEAKER_02]: Like, like, I'm telling you, in a month's time, somebody's gonna fucking, you know who is really underrated?
[SPEAKER_02]: Do you know brothel?
[SPEAKER_02]: You know what I mean?
[SPEAKER_02]: It's like, what the fuck plan are we on?
[SPEAKER_02]: Okay, but that's a, if you liked it, great.
[SPEAKER_02]: It wasn't for me, man.
[SPEAKER_02]: And we talked about it for 30 minutes.
[SPEAKER_02]: How it wasn't for me, so we got it.
[SPEAKER_01]: just trying to think it was there anything else on this show worth discussing that does not come under the scope of our Dominion preview, just just gone through what was okay.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think I thought it was notable that Heo had his own match here.
[SPEAKER_01]: He wasn't just sort of lumped in with the they had like the third match which was
[SPEAKER_01]: a load of the best of super junior guys where everyone did cool flips and got their shit in and said, yes, best of super juniors, but then heo had his own little spot here where it was him tagging with the desk being as kind of more in show and there was the story about him getting his stuff to toy back.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I think
[SPEAKER_01]: That's just the gimmick that he's leaned into to connect with the New Japan crowd to make him stand out and have a little bit of an emotional investment.
[SPEAKER_01]: Again, I don't love it, but I think he's, this is not something he does regularly in Dragon Gate.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's something that he's exaggerated here in order to make a connection with the New Japan fans, but I just, I think it is notable, the fact that they did have that little narrative for him and had him separate from the rest of the, the big group of the Super Junior's guys.
[SPEAKER_01]: So he's getting his little story and gets toy back because he felt like you're white.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I mean, it's the same kind of thing isn't it?
[SPEAKER_01]: Again, we find it under not for us, but the reason I'm mentioning it is because I think they see something in Kyoto, and I think I expect to see him back in New Japan at some point.
[SPEAKER_01]: That was it.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm not putting a value to us, but I think it's a young guy thinking he will improve, and I don't think this is a permanent gimmick for him.
[SPEAKER_01]: Again, I just think it's something that is used as a bit of a crutch to connect with the fans,
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, you know, the same sort of, um, more on to enjoy, yo, obviously enjoyed work.
[SPEAKER_00]: Um, just, um, you love, you love things.
[SPEAKER_01]: There's no, I mean, just take it.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's all for just being a thing.
[SPEAKER_01]: I will not stop using it because I'm right.
[SPEAKER_01]: You explain to me what I'm wrong about and I'll stop saying it, but I'm not wrong.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm right.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's why it's annoying you.
[SPEAKER_01]: You don't like it because I'm right.
[SPEAKER_01]: And you know I'm right.
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't even know the word, I don't even know what it means to be honest with you, and I think it's I'm better off not.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think it's basically sort of leaning into the... Come on.
[SPEAKER_01]: A lot of systems.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm not saying is I'm not putting a value judgment on it.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm just calling it what it is.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm saying that's what it is.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's what you like.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's okay.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, no.
[SPEAKER_01]: Be proud of it.
[SPEAKER_01]: Don't go upset.
[SPEAKER_01]: So get annoyed with me for saying the truth.
[SPEAKER_01]: Bait it is what it is.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's right.
[SPEAKER_02]: Right.
[SPEAKER_02]: What else is it?
[SPEAKER_02]: What?
[SPEAKER_02]: What the, what the, what the, what the, what the, what the, what the, uh, subtleness that I'm, I'm missing here.
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't think it's that it.
[SPEAKER_02]: No.
[SPEAKER_02]: All right, whatever, who got one?
[SPEAKER_01]: Just, you got to understand people, like the more annoyed you get about me doing something, they're not gonna do it.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's only gonna encourage me to, I know, to do it further.
[SPEAKER_01]: You got to understand the joe mentality here.
[SPEAKER_01]: I know it's not good.
[SPEAKER_01]: All right, you get in the mud with me.
[SPEAKER_01]: You won't win.
[SPEAKER_01]: It will have very badly for you.
[SPEAKER_01]: Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha.
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, other stuff I enjoyed, there was six mountain tag match with that involved tight sheet and Hartley Jackson.
[SPEAKER_01]: So they had their little thing at the end of the match and this was something that they had done previously in the tour and doing this like sumo thing together.
[SPEAKER_01]: The way tight she was speaking of the match, talking a lot about Hartley Jackson, other people's make sure that I'm wondering, yes, I could that be a G1 qualifier.
[SPEAKER_02]: I want to be surprised if we should be seeing that relatively soon.
[SPEAKER_02]: I want to be surprised.
[SPEAKER_02]: They're fun.
[SPEAKER_01]: You mean you think we'll get some people announced with a block?
[SPEAKER_01]: I think maybe same as last year like we'll get most of the field and then a few play in.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yep, matches announced.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I hope they do.
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean like I said those those shows are incredibly fun.
[SPEAKER_02]: There's there's there's enough on the line that you know,
[SPEAKER_02]: you can be emotionally invested.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I love it.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I think I said before, he's a G1 guy.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm telling you, he's in.
[SPEAKER_01]: He's in.
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't think he's in.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think he has a G1 playoff guy who can then make a call match for the guy who's actually going in, which I hope is Tai Chi.
[SPEAKER_01]: If it's
[SPEAKER_01]: I, you know, I don't have either guy going over there, but I'm all in on the, on the big guy.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm all in.
[SPEAKER_02]: All in.
[SPEAKER_02]: Let's do it.
[SPEAKER_02]: He's winning G1.
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't know, maybe.
[SPEAKER_01]: There was also a fun, well, I thought it was quite fun, where there was yellow, orange, orange, orange, orange, orange, orange, orange, orange, orange, orange, orange, orange, orange, orange, orange, orange, orange, orange, orange, orange, orange, orange, orange, orange, orange, orange, orange, orange, orange, orange, orange, orange, orange, orange, orange, orange, orange, orange, orange, orange, orange, orange, orange, orange, orange, orange, orange, orange, orange, orange, orange, orange, orange, orange, orange, orange, orange, orange, orange, orange, orange, orange, orange, orange, orange, orange, orange, orange, orange, orange, orange, orange
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, tagly together and our wolf was like, oh, I don't know.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm not sure if I had this death match stuff.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm not sure I want skewers in my head as jinx.
[SPEAKER_01]: I was like, no, I won't be doing any death match stuff.
[SPEAKER_01]: And our wolf was like, are you fucking lying?
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: So that was quite entertaining.
[SPEAKER_01]: I would love that.
[SPEAKER_01]: Our wolf junker side in world tagly.
[SPEAKER_01]: Kelly, yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like, what was your reaction?
[SPEAKER_02]: I want to see him backstage, and so what you want to do is you want to take the blade and cut it here, and then grab it to take the right one of me there for that conversation.
[SPEAKER_02]: He's like, what?
[SPEAKER_02]: What am I doing?
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm an Olympian.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm not.
[SPEAKER_01]: What?
[SPEAKER_02]: Molling myself?
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, that should be interesting.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I mean, there was a look.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm going to be minus, yeah, I'm going to get a fair right and I think Junkesi added a unique flavor to the tournament.
[SPEAKER_02]: Absolutely.
[SPEAKER_01]: There had some prizes that they did outstanding achievement.
[SPEAKER_01]: The rest of the significant influence outcome of the league face three big results and it's top containers of formal winners.
[SPEAKER_01]: which was one by God, who won it?
[SPEAKER_01]: I've got the award here by my friend.
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know.
[SPEAKER_01]: Robbie X1, what did he go?
[SPEAKER_01]: I think he got the technique, prize.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'll rest of you, elevate the quality of the talk to accept.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's the same kind of prizes they give out in the Supo tournament.
[SPEAKER_01]: So as the outstanding achievement, fighting spirit and technique, and I don't know in the winters work.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm gonna look up, I'm gonna look up, right?
[SPEAKER_02]: I know Rawi X1 something.
[SPEAKER_02]: I did see that.
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't know exactly.
[SPEAKER_02]: Probably technical.
[SPEAKER_02]: He deserves some some flowers.
[SPEAKER_02]: Absolutely.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I think if I'm not mistaken, okay.
[SPEAKER_02]: These are fan votes, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: Are they?
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_01]: So this is, I'm trying to this from the post wrestling right up.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, there you go.
[SPEAKER_01]: Neil Flanagan.
[SPEAKER_01]: So Neil Flanagan.
[SPEAKER_02]: So Neil Flanagan.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well done Neil, I'm crediting you, crediting someone who's produced some content to post wrestling, you can read more about it at propressing.com.
[SPEAKER_01]: Say, what's I talking about?
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_01]: Um, or anything.
[SPEAKER_01]: Based in Northern Ireland, former newspaper journalist, I'm going to get it in addition to report for post-rescent.
[SPEAKER_01]: He co-hosts the wellness policy and book club podcasts.
[SPEAKER_01]: So it's like a stand-up guy.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Maybe someone that we might want to speak to you down the line.
[SPEAKER_01]: So feel well done.
[SPEAKER_01]: Good, good right up here.
[SPEAKER_01]: Do you think you like found things DC?
[SPEAKER_02]: Do you think you found a found pain?
[SPEAKER_02]: I like them.
[SPEAKER_01]: I can't even find the fucking thing though.
[SPEAKER_02]: I was looking for them.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm on!
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, so Junkas I got the outside of the performance world.
[SPEAKER_01]: Diking to go with the fighting spirit ward and Robbie X received the technique watch.
[SPEAKER_01]: There you go.
[SPEAKER_01]: Happy now.
[SPEAKER_01]: I am.
[SPEAKER_01]: We did it.
[SPEAKER_01]: Good job.
[SPEAKER_01]: Good job, Neon, the orange peel.
[SPEAKER_01]: Fuck me.
[SPEAKER_01]: Right.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's best to see with you.
[SPEAKER_01]: Let's talk about Dominion.
[SPEAKER_01]: We're going to run the corner, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: Like, please, next weekend, right?
[SPEAKER_02]: This weekend, this weekend, this weekend, this weekend, this weekend.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm sorry.
[SPEAKER_02]: I, or what?
[SPEAKER_02]: I have a very important football match.
[SPEAKER_02]: I have to cover, I don't know if I can.
[SPEAKER_01]: I have the ivory coast, I have to cover.
[SPEAKER_02]: I hope I hope I can.
[SPEAKER_01]: You got to tell Pierre, a hint, Capia, sorry, you cannot be there.
[SPEAKER_01]: You have to watch, do we?
[SPEAKER_01]: Dominion.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, I have obligations.
[SPEAKER_02]: We have a full line up yet.
[SPEAKER_01]: We do, yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like we're going back to my match and in preview this but I just want your general thought do I I'm yeah this is bad audio I was going to just read out the whole cards and see and ask you Do you think this is a good card but maybe we'll just will preview all the matches and then at the end I'll say do you think this is a good card and have you sort of be okay to thoughts on this?
[SPEAKER_01]: So let's do that first match 15 minute time of it is the entropy double well TV championship match
[SPEAKER_01]: The champion cross-gay to Keshta versus the challenger Sanada.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think I'm going to catch the guest is banged up, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: I think he's right up.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's a banged up.
[SPEAKER_01]: Also, banged up.
[SPEAKER_01]: Just come back from injury.
[SPEAKER_01]: So I correct have particularly high hopes here.
[SPEAKER_01]: Probably a lot of smoke and mirrors in a few minutes.
[SPEAKER_02]: With a 15 minute time limit.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, I don't think there's any any shock in this being a little partnership for the time being just to get
[SPEAKER_02]: Um, uh, look, not a fan of Sonata, uh, even when he was at full health, so I do have concerns.
[SPEAKER_02]: I like the fact that this can be a sprint.
[SPEAKER_02]: I like the fact that with a little smokey, like if there's ever a match where I'm kind of open, we got a little bit of smoke in mirrors, this might to be it, considering how both
[SPEAKER_02]: Um, and I'll go so far as to say, I kind of don't want to see anything too silly out of Sonata.
[SPEAKER_02]: Um, again, these are adults.
[SPEAKER_02]: They can do what they want.
[SPEAKER_02]: Very good.
[SPEAKER_02]: Right.
[SPEAKER_02]: What am I going to say?
[SPEAKER_02]: Listen, are you comfortable with him doing a moon salt?
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, so when you say silly you mean like overly ambitious correct in the ring Okay, I thought you meant silly like you don't want to see any silly outfits or paradise Long going to see that.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_01]: I wonder if I'm going to shoot it.
[SPEAKER_02]: You're getting moon roots.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm just f***ing the asshole boys Oh fuck them, please I like the words made out of cheese the cheese the cheese boots.
[SPEAKER_01]: They were my favorite Oh, it's bored Ah, this could be I'm sorry.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm f***ing
[SPEAKER_02]: No, because I think having that title on him for a lot of these shows might be, and I talk about the cash there, um, might be a little bit better.
[SPEAKER_02]: I got a cat here that's like, now I'll see you later.
[SPEAKER_02]: Is that a thing?
[SPEAKER_01]: Can you hear me?
[SPEAKER_01]: What's up, fan?
[SPEAKER_01]: What's up, buddy?
[SPEAKER_02]: How are we doing?
[SPEAKER_02]: We good?
[SPEAKER_02]: You see any squirrels?
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, he's coming up.
[SPEAKER_02]: Watch out.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm not sure, don't come on as the equipment here.
[SPEAKER_01]: How the tables of Ted, I'm like, I think it's like, oh, we're here.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's really 2018, J-Fast with Scampy and Gatif running.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, my God.
[SPEAKER_02]: All right, you say there, right?
[SPEAKER_02]: You get, you're better right there.
[SPEAKER_00]: Just a little chat.
[SPEAKER_02]: All right, yeah, the match.
[SPEAKER_02]: Again, I think we're all happy that it's, we have the stipulations with the TV title.
[SPEAKER_02]: I do not think there will be a title change.
[SPEAKER_01]: Second match is a no time limit, no disqualification match between El Fantazamo and Jake Lee.
[SPEAKER_01]: Stinky!
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know.
[SPEAKER_01]: I was going to say that at the moment of the poisoning race, this could be good.
[SPEAKER_01]: Thank you.
[SPEAKER_01]: Right, and the sun could have put that more on Jake Lee than Elfantasma.
[SPEAKER_01]: I bet, and Elfantasma is going to try really hard.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, he'll probably do a lot of stuff that I think, yeah, that was really good.
[SPEAKER_01]: Good, good on you, Elfantasma.
[SPEAKER_01]: You think you're going to be the ceiling faces?
[SPEAKER_02]: You think you'd be some silly faces from Jake Lee in his new mind, Elfantasma.
[SPEAKER_02]: He's going to be like a shooter.
[SPEAKER_02]: He's going to be like done seven.
[SPEAKER_02]: I hear my your dad there.
[SPEAKER_02]: I got to be honest with you, Jake Lee is an instant fast forward for me.
[SPEAKER_02]: So unless ELP pulls a fucking miracle.
[SPEAKER_02]: This one will be on three X for me.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh yeah, I bet to ask you, so previous words, right, to catch this another, do you think both guys are in G1?
[SPEAKER_02]: That would be the only one if Tony's willing to give him up for a month.
[SPEAKER_02]: And if he's willing to do it for a month, Sonata, yeah, I think he's in.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's probably one of these situations where like they will put both of these guys in the same block to have a, a rematch.
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, a huge amount of time.
[SPEAKER_01]: And yeah, same for second.
[SPEAKER_01]: Fantastic.
[SPEAKER_01]: Jake Leach, think they're both in.
[SPEAKER_02]: Jake Lee's got to be a qualifier.
[SPEAKER_02]: ELP, I would say, is closer to being in than Jake Lee.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I don't know if either of them are in to be quite honest with you.
[SPEAKER_02]: But I would hope it's a Jake Lee qualifier.
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't want to see Jake Lee in it.
[SPEAKER_02]: Can you imagine a fucking month of Jake Lee singles matches?
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't think my heart can handle it.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it's, come on, I think he's it.
[SPEAKER_01]: Really?
[SPEAKER_01]: The guy was challenging for the heavyweight title in you beginning.
[SPEAKER_02]: That feels like it was so long ago.
[SPEAKER_02]: That was a million years ago.
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't think you should be in, but I think you will be in.
[SPEAKER_02]: You're probably right.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm going to pray that it's a qualifier.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'll tell you what it's like with all all these guys that we think are in but there's a lot of guys here who weren't in it last year.
[SPEAKER_01]: So there's there's only a finite amount of spots there.
[SPEAKER_02]: Right.
[SPEAKER_02]: All right.
[SPEAKER_02]: So it's jakely and ELP, right?
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: Do you think these singles matches, even though, you know, there are in some cases there are titles
[SPEAKER_01]: No, no, I think they're all, all of you, one.
[SPEAKER_01]: Maybe after you die this preview, I'll actually, I'll get the list of, we'll try and make a 20 of the moment for you, one by one.
[SPEAKER_02]: We'll all be in hold on to it till next week, you know, content, stretch it out.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, we could, but I think it might have been announced.
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, you're right.
[SPEAKER_02]: You're in your version.
[SPEAKER_01]: Or maybe I'll save it for Patreon.
[SPEAKER_01]: Maybe I'll do it a little written before Patreon.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'll make it that other way.
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, say, all right.
[SPEAKER_01]: Could I do some four deal between now and then?
[SPEAKER_01]: Just do a quick get, get someone on the prediction.
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, tell me when you want to do it.
[SPEAKER_02]: Did you want to feel as long as it doesn't?
[SPEAKER_02]: As long as it doesn't fucking contradict with my, uh,
[SPEAKER_02]: every coast.
[SPEAKER_01]: Anyway, so third match, we've got a special tag match.
[SPEAKER_01]: I love this one, on paper, it's great, Tai Chi and you at Wemler at Versus, you're how you work in Zaxai, for Jr's say, you know, so much to like here, obviously for very high quality resters here and the symmetry with Tai Chi and Zack on opposite sides, you used to be tag partners and you, you are an oi-wersing, seemingly set-up as generational rivals there.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I tightly, you, you've been tight.
[SPEAKER_01]: She's co-high and likewise for the over and Zack.
[SPEAKER_01]: I, this could potentially be setting up a challenger for the, the RWGP heavyweight tag titles.
[SPEAKER_01]: You think, yeah, I just, I love this match.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm always disappointed.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's only third because this deserves time.
[SPEAKER_01]: If it's given time, it could be great.
[SPEAKER_02]: Isn't it I can't I don't know we do say this a lot but man if you'll say this company can't do more than one thing it it's the same time like the tag situation I find to be fantastic right now and the end That match is helping to amplify how much and how much improved that tag situation has been this entire year.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, you would think it would be something, but I'll say I was going to, I know my head is more focused on G1, but, okay, yeah, this will be on paper as a great match, I hope to give a time.
[SPEAKER_01]: The fourth match is a special single match.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, that's part of versus Mr. Co.
[SPEAKER_02]: This should be really good, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: for CMLO show in Arena, Becky Gones, and we're now the Lord.
[SPEAKER_01]: Someone's going to return the favor.
[SPEAKER_02]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_02]: All right, then let's go.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's the wind.
[SPEAKER_01]: Deathby wins here, and then Mr. Go gets his whip back.
[SPEAKER_01]: And kissing some ladies.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: That should be really good.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's actually really good.
[SPEAKER_02]: All right, so we're two up.
[SPEAKER_01]: then the fifth match is the never openweight championship match are in Wolf of the challenge against the champion, Rennerita.
[SPEAKER_01]: Again, I'm not expecting particularly great match here in terms of stars and work.
[SPEAKER_01]: Great, I think it might surprise a few people.
[SPEAKER_01]: They would do well to just basically copy paste what they did with evil, wrestle kingdom.
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, Ren is not the rest of that evil is.
[SPEAKER_01]: I just think this is good.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's going to be quite like real stuff to show to the casual fans that are going to be watching on the, do, to rest your broad cast on.
[SPEAKER_01]: TV assahi, I think it's on TV assahi anyway.
[SPEAKER_01]: So yeah, you know, the casuals are tuning in and seeing and Wolf just racked all red narrative around and overcome the odds and be all the evil cheating has to touch guys and get the never title back and everyone goes home happy.
[SPEAKER_01]: So I know most people just want Aaron Wolf to be done with this house to talk just stuff.
[SPEAKER_01]: I hope I'm not jinxing it.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think he will be after this.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think he wins and does some cool stuff in the match.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I think goes on to enter the G1 and then we'll get to see him wrestle against other people.
[SPEAKER_02]: That would be lovely.
[SPEAKER_02]: I would be lovely.
[SPEAKER_02]: Do you feel like the national TV exposure?
[SPEAKER_02]: Again, there's plenty of positives.
[SPEAKER_02]: Don't get me wrong.
[SPEAKER_02]: You know, and I think the positives
[SPEAKER_02]: Um, so let that be know, but you know this is going to be safe for him, you know, he's only going to do shit that you know he is extremely comfortable doing why because we want to make sure that he looks as polished as possible.
[SPEAKER_02]: Um, so I don't expect this to be a massive learning experience for him.
[SPEAKER_02]: I feel like this is going to be very similar to what we saw ever as looking at them.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, very rehearsed.
[SPEAKER_01]: Lots of spoke of mirrors.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yep, sure.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like the learning covers in the G1.
[SPEAKER_01]: Correct.
[SPEAKER_02]: And that's where we...
[SPEAKER_02]: I want, I'm going to warn people that let's not get
[SPEAKER_02]: Get excited by the prospect of that, get excited by the idea of him, have it going through this grind, this meat grinder, and having singles matches on every other night against top tier talent in the company.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's good, that's a great thing.
[SPEAKER_02]: that said, will there be some slip-ups?
[SPEAKER_02]: Will there be some missteps?
[SPEAKER_02]: Will there be moments where it's like, oh, I can almost guarantee it.
[SPEAKER_02]: You don't make diamonds without pressure, and you don't learn without making mistakes.
[SPEAKER_02]: I kind of want to see the mistakes.
[SPEAKER_02]: let me take that back.
[SPEAKER_02]: I want to see him have those moments of mistakes and learn from them as opposed to I'm not rooting for the guy to fuck up.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I'm not even saying that it's going to be things that maybe to the untrained eye.
[SPEAKER_02]: You might not know this, right?
[SPEAKER_02]: That said.
[SPEAKER_02]: I think this is a we're all hoping and praying and on our knees and praying to the Purlisling God that this is the beginning of him taking the next step, which we are all hoping happens quicker than later.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_01]: Are you confident that he is in the G1?
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Me too.
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_01]: Then the 6th much is the IWGP Tag Championship match with the Champions Oscar and you to us with their 7th defense against the Changes, Greg O'Con and Henare.
[SPEAKER_01]: So the issue here is I'm predicting quite a
[SPEAKER_01]: is this a spot for the heels to win?
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, first of all, is this going to be a great match?
[SPEAKER_01]: Like it should be, well, 75% of this match and good, it's just, yeah, of three great corners, like the single point of failure here.
[SPEAKER_01]: If the match is not good, it's going to be because of him.
[SPEAKER_01]: Does he have any work on boots on does he still own a pair of work in boots?
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know like Not really sure what to expect from this one and I've I worried that He might significantly drag it down, but I think the bits with Henare I was gonna say Henare in Utah eyes, but Henare in Oscar I could see them
[SPEAKER_01]: their bits and the rings gather, it'd be really good and hard hitting as well.
[SPEAKER_01]: So there are two combinations in this match that I'm excited about and the two combinations that I'm less excited about.
[SPEAKER_02]: But okay, is it just a matter of you don't trust him?
[SPEAKER_02]: Do you think he has an in him?
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, well, I go back to the match he had with Zack,
[SPEAKER_01]: in last year's G1.
[SPEAKER_01]: So that was one of two things.
[SPEAKER_01]: It was either a Zach Carrie job or it was, he scared of Zach.
[SPEAKER_01]: So was trying really hard.
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_01]: So if it's the former, then no, he doesn't have it in him.
[SPEAKER_01]: He can't.
[SPEAKER_01]: But if it's the latter and I think it probably is the latter, then he can't do it.
[SPEAKER_01]: He just can't be bothered most of the time.
[SPEAKER_02]: Can that be hidden in a tag match?
[SPEAKER_01]: But it's just the way that New Japan, their tag match is where all just degenerates into tornado tag in like last 10 minutes of the match where there's absolutely no semblance of the tag element of the tag team.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like you're not going to catch a guy making a tag anywhere in the closing stretch in this match.
[SPEAKER_01]: That makes me think like, I don't know.
[SPEAKER_02]: I think this can be very good.
[SPEAKER_02]: Uh, do uh, yeah, I have to have concerns with Ocon.
[SPEAKER_02]: Of course, I think everybody does.
[SPEAKER_02]: I still think he has it in him.
[SPEAKER_02]: I just need it pulled out of him, I guess.
[SPEAKER_02]: And, and that there's where the trust comes.
[SPEAKER_02]: And the trust of every time I'm like, yep, this will be great.
[SPEAKER_02]: And, you know, you're always like, I don't know.
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't know.
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't want to make big.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I've been burnt too many fucking times.
[SPEAKER_02]: Uh, so I don't want to fall into that trap.
[SPEAKER_02]: But.
[SPEAKER_02]: I think even if you have three guys that can help lift this match, I think I like the odds of them lifting Ocon if he doesn't have it, that night and if he does have it that night, we could be talking about a really fucking great match.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it's this match on the the terrestrial TV, but just if it is like, I don't know, my guy, you're on terrestrial TV.
[SPEAKER_01]: There's tons of people watching who you think are out.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I know where the wolf matches.
[SPEAKER_02]: I know where the main is of an atmosphere.
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't know if there's others.
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know how that would work.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm going to find that out.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I'm curious.
[SPEAKER_02]: Send out, send out the massive tweets, or not the tweets, the text messages, the DMs, if you will.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's the technology I'm looking for.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, but it can be good.
[SPEAKER_02]: But it can be great.
[SPEAKER_02]: I think the ceiling is great.
[SPEAKER_02]: I really do.
[SPEAKER_02]: I think the floor is whatever we wind up with Ocon.
[SPEAKER_02]: Like, I'm not worried about any of the other three.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm worried about Ocon.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'll just try to see if it...
[SPEAKER_01]: If it tells us which matches are on the wrong camera, I can't find that out, I don't know.
[SPEAKER_01]: The 7th match is the IWGP Global Heavyweight Championship 3 way match where the champion Andrade El Idolo is defending against two challenges, straight to Emelo and Drilla Maloney.
[SPEAKER_01]: And of course, the tempting thing to draw to the conclusion of here is that it's a three way.
[SPEAKER_01]: and dry they can lose the belt without taking a pin, right, which is probably what's going to happen here.
[SPEAKER_01]: So I think Shota pins drilling alone to win this title and that'll be that.
[SPEAKER_01]: I would love for a dry day to be in G1.
[SPEAKER_01]: Do you think that's going to be in G1?
[SPEAKER_01]: Not zero.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's not zero.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'd say
[SPEAKER_01]: I bet he would love to do it, so I think I'm going to come down to money or availability.
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't think he's going to do it.
[SPEAKER_02]: All the AEV guys, of all the AEV guys, and you know we're expecting some in G1, right?
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, I would think you would think, right?
[SPEAKER_02]: Just by the pure nature of starting in Chicago, building that is desperate for ticket sales.
[SPEAKER_02]: they kind of need something.
[SPEAKER_02]: So maybe something's in the work of all those guys on that Tony Con roster.
[SPEAKER_02]: Where would you put put Andrea in your want list in G1?
[SPEAKER_01]: It'd be extremely high, like somewhere near the top, okay?
[SPEAKER_01]: In terms of guys who, like, realistic, you could get, like, I don't think we're going to get, like, a Kenny Omega will all spray back in the G1 or throw a value, so do anything like that.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, mate.
[SPEAKER_02]: For some reason, I, uh, and, uh, give me a, let's put this, give me a number.
[SPEAKER_02]: Percentage will aspirate in.
[SPEAKER_02]: 0, 12, 20.
[SPEAKER_01]: Sorry, what's the number for?
[SPEAKER_02]: We'll ask for a G1.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, 0, 0, 0, 0.
[SPEAKER_01]: I bet it'd be up for it, but I know you would.
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know if he's already like booked for shows that are going to be taking place during G1, but I just worry about him physically doing it as well.
[SPEAKER_02]: listen, that's on him.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I mean, you know, I don't know.
[SPEAKER_02]: I just got this tingling sensation in my loins and my plums.
[SPEAKER_02]: He's going to be there.
[SPEAKER_02]: I love that's my favorite line.
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, I don't know.
[SPEAKER_02]: There's something that's keep saying, you know, and he might be, he might very well be in it.
[SPEAKER_02]: On dry day, though, is probably the safer bet.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I'm going to throw a problem on that as well.
[SPEAKER_01]: Uh, do you think Shota is winning?
[SPEAKER_02]: Yes, yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, here's the thing.
[SPEAKER_02]: If you were going to do a title change, which again, eventually it will happen.
[SPEAKER_02]: Like, is this the safest opportunity for all parties involved?
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I think so.
[SPEAKER_02]: So yeah, I think the title change.
[SPEAKER_01]: Sure.
[SPEAKER_01]: And then the eighth match is the IW Junior IW GP Junior had to wait to have a championship.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yo.
[SPEAKER_01]: the Super Junior's winner, challenging Dokey the 19x champion.
[SPEAKER_01]: So do you think we got a 100th champion?
[SPEAKER_01]: Holy fuck.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's pretty, that's pretty significant don't you think?
[SPEAKER_02]: To be the 100th champion.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's like a nice even pop number.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I don't.
[SPEAKER_02]: I do.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, so do I. I'm not actually for all the
[SPEAKER_01]: criticism, I've leveled it, you know, I would actually welcome that because I think that is more palatable to me than Dokey continuing to hold the title.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, would you say this title ring has been a bit of a disappointment with Dokey?
[SPEAKER_02]: It's be terrible.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yes, horrendous.
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't think it can get worse with you.
[SPEAKER_02]: So, by not.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yep.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I suppose this would be the point to do a payoff with all the kale stuff I have in the the old kale slabs coming out and stopping the house to talk shit.
[SPEAKER_01]: Whoa, there you go.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's good.
[SPEAKER_02]: Wow, the rebirth of chaos.
[SPEAKER_02]: Not to go.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's what I can go.
[SPEAKER_02]: Next thing you know, great bash heel reform.
[SPEAKER_02]: Let's go.
[SPEAKER_01]: The most violent players.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, and then the main event is the RWGB Heavyweight Championship, which I would like to see the challenging the ATH Champion, Calum Newman.
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't know.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm going to be very truthful.
[SPEAKER_02]: If we look back in the history of this title, and again, we're talking about
[SPEAKER_02]: You know, don't give me the fuck in.
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, it was really when it was Murray's, I'm not giving no, I mean, I'm talking about the big boy belt.
[SPEAKER_02]: They, they kind of like the idea of short reigns in your first go around with a title.
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, there are bigger names on paper than Callum Newman that fared worse when it came to first title defenses or second
[SPEAKER_02]: So there's a part of me that's like them only, maybe they pull the trigger here.
[SPEAKER_02]: You would think that they think that Suji's your guy and the person that could lead them in, which begs the question, why would they do the title change if that were the case?
[SPEAKER_02]: Just to wind up getting it back.
[SPEAKER_02]: Now again, you could say, well, you're making it.
[SPEAKER_02]: You're making it.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's toxic, you just have a book in, have a little.
[SPEAKER_01]: It is, up a coffee with the title, then.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, and again, you're helping new them in the eyes of people to be taken seriously and all that and I get it.
[SPEAKER_02]: Try to think about the best for the company.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's probably sugy winning the title.
[SPEAKER_02]: Right.
[SPEAKER_02]: Don't you think.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it seems pretty open as shut to me.
[SPEAKER_01]: That seems like the obvious thing to happen.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm just hoping.
[SPEAKER_01]: I thought the match that they had the first time around at Sacrige Genesis was really good.
[SPEAKER_01]: Maybe a bit heavy on the...
[SPEAKER_01]: shenanigans, you know, not that it was all outhouse at all, it's just stuff, but um, interested to see how it builds on the previous match.
[SPEAKER_01]: And also with willowspray, you know, they're like, narratively, what do they do differently?
[SPEAKER_01]: Is it still going to be
[SPEAKER_01]: column human cheating.
[SPEAKER_01]: I assume it will be, um, but how this pivots into the new moon Osprey feud, which obviously is in the pipelines.
[SPEAKER_02]: You would think, yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: And so is it 100% official that there's no chance of will being there, correct?
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, he said he's a wedding or something.
[SPEAKER_02]: Ah, then he's definitely there.
[SPEAKER_01]: What's the wedding?
[SPEAKER_01]: He's gone
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, he's like, I can't make it.
[SPEAKER_02]: I got a cover ivory coast and I can't make it.
[SPEAKER_02]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, be curious to see a wedding and I don't know.
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't know anything of him being there or not, but let's pretend.
[SPEAKER_02]: Let's.
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, it could be there, it could show up.
[SPEAKER_02]: That'd be nice to be fun.
[SPEAKER_02]: I think this is a Suji win, though, and then it gets has to be.
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, no, let me take that back.
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't think it has to be, but I think it will be.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, that seems like the sensible option there, especially again.
[SPEAKER_01]: You got the views watching on Tresh, your TV and seeing Suji again.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like, okay, yeah, this is the guy that we need to be paying attention to.
[SPEAKER_01]: This is the right way, the ace of the company.
[SPEAKER_01]: So, yeah, that seems pretty open to shut to me.
[SPEAKER_02]: It feels like it feels like it, you know, if they're turning off the tube, you know, to go to bed for the night, probably want to end it with a little bit of a, ah, it was cool.
[SPEAKER_01]: All right, yeah, kind of back where we started.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, a rest of the rest of the rest of the kingdom, really.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yep.
[SPEAKER_02]: All right, good, that's, I mean, all right, so a good show, bit a show on paper.
[SPEAKER_01]: Uh, you know, a question about this if I'm going to say, Darus says on paper, this seems to me.
[SPEAKER_01]: one of the most underwhelming to win in cards in memory, what can the company do to roll out of this with some momentum and buzz is their opportunity to gain traction with its restual audience.
[SPEAKER_01]: They will have, I don't necessarily agree that it's an underwhelming to win you can't.
[SPEAKER_01]: I understand why people are saying that because
[SPEAKER_01]: It's lacking in star power, but again, this, this is the new Japan progress in roster, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: This is what the, the product is at the moment.
[SPEAKER_01]: These are the guys at wrestling.
[SPEAKER_01]: So, you know, if it, yeah, it is lacking a bit of star power, but, you know, you have to make stars like, and you don't just, not, now again.
[SPEAKER_02]: We've been bitching and moaning for six years about they were really slow to make stars we get that we've been down that road a million times, but you know they got to make stars and and okay do they have them.
[SPEAKER_02]: Okay, not yet, they gotta make them, they can build them.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I don't think that happens overnight.
[SPEAKER_02]: Again, are they slow as fuck doing it?
[SPEAKER_02]: Yes, have they been plenty of missteps?
[SPEAKER_02]: Absolutely.
[SPEAKER_02]: But let's, let's let make stars.
[SPEAKER_02]: Make, make stars.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's, and, and here's the thing.
[SPEAKER_02]: You're, like, if, if we're, if that's the narrative.
[SPEAKER_02]: then Suji's got to win.
[SPEAKER_02]: He's got to be his gotto win.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I think everything's leaning toward that being in the case.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, again, I just think this is just a sort of repositioning your top guys as you did post rest of Kingdoms.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's going to be your Suji front and center and we'll front and center.
[SPEAKER_01]: And you know, posse, knockout brothers, show to Umino, not simply you as well, just being like, right,
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, yeah, I mean, look at the, look at the way the matches are laid out, you know, or the shows laid out, like we're, we're, we're doing that.
[SPEAKER_02]: We're going to have a guy win a singles title that, you know, uh, you know, the secondary title.
[SPEAKER_02]: Um, you're gonna have a guy regain the heavyweight title.
[SPEAKER_02]: You're gonna have a killer Successful defense for your tag titles.
[SPEAKER_02]: Again, these are all things.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm kind of in my mind of how I could see it going But they might do the complete fucking opposite with this company who knows But you would think on paper that that's the the game plan is this 60 minute canny in and and Ocada, okay
[SPEAKER_02]: I hear you loud and clear, but I think the on paper this should be a good card.
[SPEAKER_02]: It really should.
[SPEAKER_02]: Underwhelming, maybe on paper a little bit, but I think there's plenty there to sink your teeth and do, and I think this will be a very good show.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and maybe a few that land goals, maybe people returning, maybe a few of surprise appearances just to get.
[SPEAKER_01]: wet our appetites for the upcoming G1 climax and give us something to look forward to for those roads to G1, chose that coming up.
[SPEAKER_01]: Let me just double check where those are.
[SPEAKER_01]: The road to G1 climax starts next Friday, so June 19th we've got
[SPEAKER_01]: a show in Nagano, then there's a Eugene Nagano to produce show Saturday, then wrote to you on climax, June 21st, 23rd, Coracle and Hall, don't be like a second, you're like fourth, you're like sixth, Tiger Master of Time on July 7th, so there's quite a few shows, so that'll play a good at surprise me to have like an extended G1 qualification thing, like maybe like a little tournament bracket thing or yeah something like that.
[SPEAKER_02]: I would love it.
[SPEAKER_02]: Again, I said it before.
[SPEAKER_02]: Those shows are always fun.
[SPEAKER_02]: Those matches are really, there's a lot of, a lot of synchetythed in their fun.
[SPEAKER_02]: So yeah, those will be good.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, be curious to see who's in those qualifying.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I would think on this, on Dominion, we'll have a lot.
[SPEAKER_02]: Let's put it out.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'll be G1 participant.
[SPEAKER_02]: Was that it?
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I've stopped the stream.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'd see you back in the first.