WEBVTT 00:00.792 --> 00:03.514 [SPEAKER_02]: Hey, it's Bree Bagel with your Only Vance Break-Hap. 00:03.914 --> 00:06.817 [SPEAKER_02]: There's not enough time to talk about how amazing Andrea McGee is. 00:07.177 --> 00:10.860 [SPEAKER_02]: First of all, just joining us on a showday in her incredibly busy schedule. 00:11.321 --> 00:14.844 [SPEAKER_02]: She showed up full of love and light and laughter in the best accent. 00:15.284 --> 00:20.929 [SPEAKER_02]: Originally from Ireland, she's now residing in Austin, Texas, where she has made an incredible mark in the live music capital of the world. 00:21.589 --> 00:31.332 [SPEAKER_02]: While also founding music helps in Austin, a non-profit that harnesses the healing power of music with kiddos who need it most, and creating the She Rise's Festival in Tows New Mexico. 00:31.933 --> 00:38.835 [SPEAKER_02]: She's also half of the duo beat root revival with fellow musician Ben Jones, where she plays a drum you just have to say it to believe it. 00:39.816 --> 00:47.083 [SPEAKER_02]: And she is a part of the superwoman group PackPaACK, which you should check out at the Saxon Pub at the earliest possible opportunity. 00:47.723 --> 00:53.329 [SPEAKER_02]: She can do it all, but what strikes me as equally as her beauty is her intelligence, openness, wisdom, and kindness. 00:53.930 --> 01:01.217 [SPEAKER_02]: Follow at Andrea McGee, music on Instagram, and she rises fest.com for tickets to the Festival and Towers coming up July 16 through 18th. 01:01.677 --> 01:02.298 [SPEAKER_02]: I'll be there too. 01:03.220 --> 01:09.964 [SPEAKER_02]: Please listen to our new record Wild Woman and Andrea, your true gem, thank you so much for this chat that made me cry like 12 times in the best way. 01:10.445 --> 01:10.705 [SPEAKER_02]: Enjoy! 01:16.630 --> 01:19.312 [SPEAKER_03]: I think we all were needing each other, and we didn't even know it. 01:19.773 --> 01:23.096 [SPEAKER_03]: I certainly was, like, I miss my sisters. 01:23.176 --> 01:25.218 [SPEAKER_03]: I've come from a big female family. 01:25.258 --> 01:29.441 [SPEAKER_03]: And when you're over here, you have to build your only network. 01:29.922 --> 01:33.545 [SPEAKER_03]: And I think I was getting to a point where I'm like, gosh, I'm so far away from my sisterhood. 01:33.585 --> 01:38.649 [SPEAKER_02]: And hey, everybody, this is Free Bagwell. 01:38.729 --> 01:40.030 [SPEAKER_02]: And this is my podcast. 01:40.290 --> 01:40.951 [SPEAKER_02]: Believe it, Amazon. 01:41.311 --> 01:42.312 [SPEAKER_02]: We're talking to my friends. 01:42.332 --> 01:43.233 [SPEAKER_02]: They love it. 01:55.263 --> 01:56.343 [SPEAKER_01]: Long with me as well to start. 01:56.723 --> 01:58.204 [SPEAKER_01]: We you can't have long nails. 01:58.604 --> 01:59.904 [SPEAKER_01]: I can't have long nails and play guitar. 02:00.204 --> 02:00.604 [SPEAKER_03]: Oh, I know. 02:00.724 --> 02:08.246 [SPEAKER_03]: How does dolly part and do I know I've tried with I got when I went home to Ireland at Christmas I got the like proper pointy sexy ones. 02:08.266 --> 02:09.206 [SPEAKER_03]: I said no. 02:09.246 --> 02:19.668 [SPEAKER_03]: I'll not be playing because I never play when I go back and I literally tried to play so long And I was like oh, hi, does dolly part and do this like this is insane like she must have like double-jointed 02:20.761 --> 02:25.243 [SPEAKER_01]: Fingerpods or maybe the strings have to be like farther off of the guitar. 02:25.303 --> 02:27.284 [SPEAKER_01]: How do you had to listen Kyle? 02:27.304 --> 02:28.124 [SPEAKER_01]: How does dolly play? 02:28.144 --> 02:29.164 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, the guitar with nails. 02:29.465 --> 02:30.445 [SPEAKER_01]: Kyle knows everything. 02:31.165 --> 02:31.725 [SPEAKER_01]: The guy didn't. 02:31.765 --> 02:32.586 [SPEAKER_01]: Why would I know that? 02:33.886 --> 02:34.667 [SPEAKER_03]: That's okay. 02:34.687 --> 02:34.867 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah. 02:35.007 --> 02:36.747 [SPEAKER_01]: Wait, what do you mean you don't play when you go home? 02:36.787 --> 02:37.208 [SPEAKER_01]: You don't play. 02:37.268 --> 02:38.768 [SPEAKER_03]: I just- I wake up. 02:38.788 --> 02:42.310 [SPEAKER_03]: I like to honestly I usually work myself up to like 02:43.250 --> 02:56.113 [SPEAKER_03]: such a level of exhaustion that I get on a plan and go back to Ireland and usually get sick at the start of it because I've just been touring our plan and just do you know how to do so I just go home and I focus on just being with my family. 02:56.873 --> 02:57.433 [SPEAKER_01]: I love that. 02:57.453 --> 03:01.854 [SPEAKER_01]: It's like a holiday that's a family home because you're family musical. 03:02.755 --> 03:03.295 [SPEAKER_01]: So it's mine. 03:03.555 --> 03:04.235 [SPEAKER_01]: And when I go to last 03:13.205 --> 03:14.425 [SPEAKER_01]: When did you move here? 03:14.806 --> 03:25.629 [SPEAKER_03]: So I moved here in officially 2015, but I came in 2014 and did like the tourist visa for a year, like hoppin' in and I every 90 days. 03:25.869 --> 03:30.191 [SPEAKER_03]: And did the very first trip, Ban Jones and I did 90 cities. 03:30.411 --> 03:32.352 [SPEAKER_03]: Night, oh my god, shut up. 03:33.793 --> 03:37.716 [SPEAKER_03]: We did 21 cities in 90 days. 03:38.076 --> 03:39.037 [SPEAKER_03]: I'm just talking up. 03:39.117 --> 03:39.878 [SPEAKER_03]: It's legit here. 03:39.898 --> 03:41.399 [SPEAKER_01]: There's a lot of numbers in there. 03:41.639 --> 03:42.080 [SPEAKER_01]: It's fine. 03:42.180 --> 03:43.321 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, we did a crazy one. 03:43.361 --> 03:48.105 [SPEAKER_03]: And then halfway through it, Austin was our destination. 03:48.125 --> 03:49.566 [SPEAKER_03]: And we were like, oh, wow. 03:49.806 --> 03:50.086 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. 03:50.326 --> 03:50.587 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah. 03:50.607 --> 03:52.548 [SPEAKER_03]: You just felt like that's where you wanted to be. 03:52.989 --> 03:54.090 [SPEAKER_03]: It was a no-brainer. 03:54.110 --> 03:54.290 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah. 03:54.350 --> 03:55.711 [SPEAKER_03]: It was just so obvious. 03:56.952 --> 04:01.478 [SPEAKER_03]: You know, when you're hustling hard and no one knows you in any city, every city is going to be hard. 04:02.019 --> 04:06.144 [SPEAKER_03]: But Austin was just like, we like, like, love you instantly. 04:06.164 --> 04:07.105 [SPEAKER_03]: Like our first gig. 04:07.486 --> 04:08.887 [SPEAKER_03]: Now, I mean, we went and got them. 04:09.048 --> 04:12.572 [SPEAKER_03]: Like we would go in and talk to people and really figure out how to do it. 04:13.353 --> 04:20.578 [SPEAKER_03]: And we went to Jenny Salonhorn, talked to, I just ended up standing beside the power manager not knowing. 04:20.839 --> 04:22.600 [SPEAKER_03]: And I was like, excuse me, it's just trying to get through. 04:22.620 --> 04:23.461 [SPEAKER_03]: And I was like, yeah, I wish. 04:23.961 --> 04:25.202 [SPEAKER_03]: And I like started talking to him. 04:25.222 --> 04:28.464 [SPEAKER_03]: And I was like, yeah, here on this like crazy trip to change our lives. 04:28.484 --> 04:30.646 [SPEAKER_03]: And he was like, hold on a second. 04:30.886 --> 04:31.867 [SPEAKER_03]: And he went and got the owner. 04:31.907 --> 04:34.368 [SPEAKER_03]: And he was like, I don't know what this girl is. 04:34.389 --> 04:38.732 [SPEAKER_03]: We don't know what the story is, but don't you need a band like in front of deal on on Sunday? 04:38.752 --> 04:41.554 [SPEAKER_03]: And she was like, yeah, she's like, you want to do it? 04:42.054 --> 04:42.835 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah. 04:42.875 --> 04:43.075 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah. 04:43.295 --> 04:45.156 [SPEAKER_03]: So that was our first gig in Austin. 04:45.196 --> 04:46.637 [SPEAKER_03]: Was open and for chicken chip thing. 04:46.657 --> 04:47.217 [SPEAKER_03]: Chicken chip deal. 04:47.257 --> 04:48.538 [SPEAKER_00]: I was going to say yes. 04:49.159 --> 04:52.981 [SPEAKER_03]: And then how can you not fall in love with the city after your that's your. 04:53.021 --> 04:55.303 [SPEAKER_03]: And I was like, there's a chicken pooping on a number. 04:56.043 --> 04:58.765 [SPEAKER_03]: And the world is just opened up and been so kind. 04:58.805 --> 04:59.065 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah. 04:59.445 --> 05:03.368 [SPEAKER_03]: And then he like invited us to open for at the continental the next night. 05:03.888 --> 05:05.309 [SPEAKER_03]: That was our introduction to Austin. 05:05.709 --> 05:07.230 [SPEAKER_03]: And you're talking about you playing with Pat right? 05:07.430 --> 05:08.411 [SPEAKER_03]: No, this is a band. 05:08.431 --> 05:09.192 [SPEAKER_03]: This is a band. 05:09.352 --> 05:09.552 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah. 05:09.572 --> 05:09.772 [SPEAKER_03]: Okay. 05:10.272 --> 05:11.754 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, that's what I meant. 05:12.194 --> 05:12.835 [SPEAKER_01]: Terribly sorry. 05:13.075 --> 05:13.636 [SPEAKER_01]: It's all good. 05:13.996 --> 05:15.117 [SPEAKER_01]: I have so much. 05:15.217 --> 05:16.478 [SPEAKER_01]: I have so much. 05:16.498 --> 05:18.180 [SPEAKER_01]: And this is Andrew McGee, everybody. 05:18.540 --> 05:20.062 [SPEAKER_01]: M-A-G-E-E, then. 05:20.702 --> 05:21.643 [SPEAKER_03]: Just to clarify. 05:21.703 --> 05:22.163 [SPEAKER_03]: Thank you. 05:22.484 --> 05:22.984 [SPEAKER_01]: Well, yeah. 05:23.184 --> 05:25.507 [SPEAKER_03]: Everyone always gets it wrong, but it doesn't actually. 05:25.887 --> 05:26.588 [SPEAKER_03]: It doesn't really bother me. 05:27.328 --> 05:28.609 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it's just going to happen. 05:28.629 --> 05:34.050 [SPEAKER_01]: I get my name every which way wrong the other day The other day we get me now. 05:34.070 --> 05:39.272 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm messing on my words like a couple years ago the sky He said I don't hey, where's the lead singer? 05:39.312 --> 05:45.795 [SPEAKER_01]: And I was about to go on stage and I said what and I kind of like laughed And he he was serious and then he goes well. 05:45.815 --> 05:52.237 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know where he is, but I hear he's pretty good This is bright back well, and I like walked on stage and he looked at me 05:52.677 --> 05:53.417 [SPEAKER_01]: Like what? 05:53.457 --> 05:54.558 [SPEAKER_01]: That's so good. 05:54.578 --> 05:54.978 [SPEAKER_01]: Yes. 05:55.198 --> 05:57.099 [SPEAKER_03]: Oh, that's a guy's a really good boy. 05:57.119 --> 05:58.060 [SPEAKER_01]: That's a crisis meeting. 05:58.080 --> 05:59.521 [SPEAKER_01]: I like to tell everyone how to spell it. 05:59.561 --> 06:00.621 [SPEAKER_03]: He's gonna be great. 06:00.641 --> 06:03.243 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, he's gonna be, and he was embarrassed. 06:03.423 --> 06:04.343 [SPEAKER_03]: That is good. 06:04.403 --> 06:07.425 [SPEAKER_03]: I had one guy one time, like I was walking. 06:07.765 --> 06:09.506 [SPEAKER_03]: I played a gig with Pat actually. 06:09.526 --> 06:10.867 [SPEAKER_03]: It was in Dreamland. 06:11.307 --> 06:16.030 [SPEAKER_03]: And my friend, well, now he's my friend, but he was the booker at the time, and he was like, I never guess what? 06:16.070 --> 06:17.831 [SPEAKER_03]: I have this, I got Andre and McGee. 06:18.231 --> 06:19.231 [SPEAKER_03]: I'll book her for next week. 06:19.311 --> 06:19.772 [SPEAKER_03]: And I was like, 06:20.652 --> 06:38.857 [SPEAKER_03]: you did because she's right here and he was like wow you're the well you're the girl from Belfast I was like yeah that's me and he was like I thought you were just like clam with it was very confusing but it was hilarious that's very funny because I feel like you're very hard to confuse with somebody else like here maybe yeah 06:41.017 --> 06:53.753 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, you speak the way you do your sending link or just but all your projects are so fun I want to talk about them all because the first time I I guess it's so you live was Beat brew revival was at the big barn dance. 06:53.773 --> 06:57.358 [SPEAKER_01]: That's right and I had got for years like 06:58.318 --> 07:01.081 [SPEAKER_01]: People were telling me how to meet you, they're you would love her. 07:01.181 --> 07:01.921 [SPEAKER_01]: You put on a mirror. 07:01.941 --> 07:14.511 [SPEAKER_01]: She's incredible And so when we got there I was like I got to go and I found you and you're waiting your hair And I was like hi, I don't interrupt you, but and that that was I was blown away by that performance like 07:15.084 --> 07:16.887 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, the barn down to something else. 07:17.307 --> 07:18.389 [SPEAKER_01]: You were just so good. 07:18.409 --> 07:21.112 [SPEAKER_03]: I don't even know what to call the drum that you play. 07:21.132 --> 07:21.713 [SPEAKER_03]: What do you call it? 07:21.733 --> 07:24.397 [SPEAKER_03]: It's a bore on, so it's just a Celtic Irish instrument. 07:24.617 --> 07:26.099 [SPEAKER_03]: That's a really old traditional instrument. 07:26.440 --> 07:30.746 [SPEAKER_03]: But I've just figured out how to make it signed a bit more versatile. 07:30.806 --> 07:31.547 [SPEAKER_03]: It's just a bit different. 07:31.847 --> 07:32.027 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. 07:32.287 --> 07:35.308 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it has just a lovely, like, low. 07:35.688 --> 07:36.949 [SPEAKER_01]: Mm-hmm. 07:36.989 --> 07:38.469 [SPEAKER_03]: Well, the barndons and in towels. 07:38.529 --> 07:40.250 [SPEAKER_03]: It loves certain places. 07:40.330 --> 07:43.171 [SPEAKER_03]: Like, it just the humidity and stuff, like, works better for it. 07:43.771 --> 07:48.013 [SPEAKER_03]: So it signs a little different, you know, and as the first time I ever played at the barndons, I was like, 07:49.193 --> 07:50.234 [SPEAKER_03]: Oh, it likes it here. 07:50.714 --> 07:52.335 [SPEAKER_03]: It's so spiritual and to have. 07:53.255 --> 07:53.835 [SPEAKER_01]: And seeing you. 07:53.855 --> 07:54.836 [SPEAKER_01]: The tribal kind of thing. 07:54.956 --> 07:55.596 [SPEAKER_01]: Totally. 07:55.816 --> 07:56.636 [SPEAKER_01]: And seeing you play. 07:56.716 --> 07:58.357 [SPEAKER_01]: And you have such amazing rhythm. 07:58.397 --> 08:00.378 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm always super self-conscious of my rhythm. 08:01.178 --> 08:02.719 [SPEAKER_01]: And you have like perfect rhythm. 08:02.799 --> 08:02.999 [SPEAKER_01]: Right. 08:03.399 --> 08:04.000 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know. 08:04.020 --> 08:04.640 [SPEAKER_03]: I don't know. 08:04.660 --> 08:05.641 [SPEAKER_03]: I don't know. 08:06.101 --> 08:07.702 [SPEAKER_03]: I started as a dancer. 08:07.742 --> 08:14.446 [SPEAKER_03]: So like I I was danced from like the age of five to, I don't know, eight or nine. 08:14.526 --> 08:18.889 [SPEAKER_03]: And then I had gotten danced from the age of eleven to like eighteen. 08:19.209 --> 08:20.049 [SPEAKER_03]: What is Latin dance? 08:20.069 --> 08:21.110 [SPEAKER_03]: Like Latin American dance? 08:21.130 --> 08:22.691 [SPEAKER_03]: Like Chacha, Okay. 08:22.711 --> 08:22.851 [SPEAKER_03]: Okay. 08:22.891 --> 08:23.831 [SPEAKER_03]: Rumba, Jive. 08:24.432 --> 08:24.852 [SPEAKER_03]: Oh my gosh. 08:24.872 --> 08:25.152 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah. 08:25.492 --> 08:26.292 [SPEAKER_03]: So I have so fun. 08:26.312 --> 08:27.593 [SPEAKER_03]: So dances in there. 08:27.933 --> 08:32.535 [SPEAKER_03]: So I think that is where my, you know, my inner clock comes from. 08:33.456 --> 08:34.696 [SPEAKER_03]: So I'm kind of locked in that. 08:34.716 --> 08:38.338 [SPEAKER_01]: That makes a lot of sense because you can play on off beats or you know where the beats go. 08:38.398 --> 08:38.838 [SPEAKER_01]: Like they're. 08:38.938 --> 08:43.461 [SPEAKER_01]: I think if you're a dancer, you're like, it's hard to not, you know? 08:43.481 --> 08:46.542 [SPEAKER_01]: Well, it makes it a lot of sense because I'm not a dancer. 08:47.262 --> 08:49.364 [SPEAKER_03]: Otherwise, I still can't wrap my head around to step in. 08:49.804 --> 08:54.268 [SPEAKER_03]: Like, because for me, I'm always like, well, what's this extra one? 08:54.368 --> 08:55.769 [SPEAKER_03]: What the fuck? 08:56.249 --> 09:01.973 [SPEAKER_03]: But I figured it out a little, but I'm still like, when people try and lead me, I'm still trying to like, flare it up and be all cha cha. 09:02.253 --> 09:08.078 [SPEAKER_01]: The new Mexico II step is different than the Texas II step, and it makes more sense mathematically to me. 09:08.098 --> 09:11.340 [SPEAKER_01]: The Texas II step, because yes, Texas won your off, every other whatever. 09:11.720 --> 09:13.662 [SPEAKER_01]: I just always feel like there's like a little extra. 09:13.782 --> 09:14.202 [SPEAKER_01]: Totally. 09:14.342 --> 09:14.562 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. 09:14.602 --> 09:15.143 [SPEAKER_01]: You're not wrong. 09:15.303 --> 09:15.883 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yes. 09:15.943 --> 09:18.845 [SPEAKER_01]: And I will have your back on that because I'm not from Texas. 09:18.865 --> 09:19.666 [SPEAKER_01]: So I can say it. 09:19.686 --> 09:20.547 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. 09:20.587 --> 09:21.868 [SPEAKER_01]: Other people will be like, you're wrong. 09:22.088 --> 09:22.248 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. 09:22.608 --> 09:25.390 [SPEAKER_03]: I didn't even realize there was like a New Mexico and a Texas. 09:26.051 --> 09:28.753 [SPEAKER_03]: Just because we're doing was a nice segue. 09:28.793 --> 09:33.196 [SPEAKER_03]: We are actually introducing a two stepping night with Rosie Flores that she rises. 09:33.316 --> 09:33.656 [SPEAKER_03]: My gosh. 09:33.916 --> 09:36.238 [SPEAKER_03]: Because it's really taken off. 09:36.578 --> 09:43.921 [SPEAKER_03]: At the venue that we have the festival, and I went to it, and when I was in Tau's last time, and I was like, Oh, this is magical. 09:43.941 --> 09:47.542 [SPEAKER_03]: You know, when you first walk into the broken spoke, and you're like, Oh, I love dance. 09:47.682 --> 09:49.663 [SPEAKER_03]: So that was another reason I fell in love with Austin. 09:50.063 --> 09:53.365 [SPEAKER_03]: But yeah, we're bringing that into she rises this year, and I just, 09:54.145 --> 09:55.446 [SPEAKER_03]: presumed it was the same. 09:56.207 --> 09:57.388 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, that's just so interesting. 09:57.408 --> 10:03.773 [SPEAKER_01]: Well, I mean, Northern New Mexico might be different than Southern Mexico, so, but I think geography does play into it. 10:03.793 --> 10:06.495 [SPEAKER_01]: And I'm a pretty good two-steper. 10:06.616 --> 10:07.576 [SPEAKER_01]: Like I know this meant myself. 10:07.897 --> 10:13.762 [SPEAKER_01]: And I moved to Austin, and I went to the Midnight Radio when I was 18 in the sky, asked me to dance and he said, what the hell are you doing? 10:13.822 --> 10:14.903 [SPEAKER_01]: What the hell are you doing? 10:14.983 --> 10:18.526 [SPEAKER_01]: And I didn't realize I didn't know there was two different ones. 10:18.546 --> 10:20.067 [SPEAKER_01]: So yeah, that's very interesting. 10:20.107 --> 10:21.348 [SPEAKER_01]: So wait, where is this two-steper? 10:21.488 --> 10:28.871 [SPEAKER_03]: So on the VIP night, Rosie Flores is going to close the night with, we're doing like two stepping lessons, and then just tear in the dance floor. 10:29.311 --> 10:30.671 [SPEAKER_03]: Kind of like what they do at the barn dance. 10:30.712 --> 10:30.932 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah. 10:31.032 --> 10:37.214 [SPEAKER_03]: But just having that as a VIP, because the inside of our festival grind, there's like an indoor area. 10:37.694 --> 10:38.855 [SPEAKER_03]: It's so magic. 10:39.655 --> 10:41.416 [SPEAKER_03]: And so I was like, we have to use this. 10:41.636 --> 10:41.856 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. 10:42.036 --> 10:44.677 [SPEAKER_03]: And when I saw it, I was like, oh, we have to do it. 10:45.417 --> 10:45.977 [SPEAKER_01]: I just love it. 10:46.017 --> 10:50.638 [SPEAKER_03]: I find it so magical watching people just circle around and it's magical. 10:51.058 --> 10:54.639 [SPEAKER_01]: And I love that the way you talk about it because it's like we can't forget that. 10:54.699 --> 11:02.681 [SPEAKER_01]: But I have a rule where I don't dance with anybody that's not my boyfriend because it's just, you know, it's just a little weird. 11:02.701 --> 11:03.181 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yeah. 11:03.301 --> 11:06.022 [SPEAKER_01]: And I wouldn't want him to be too steps. 11:06.062 --> 11:07.342 [SPEAKER_01]: So I get asked a lot. 11:08.202 --> 11:08.662 [SPEAKER_03]: on the road. 11:08.702 --> 11:12.983 [SPEAKER_03]: It's also a really good, like, you know, get out of jail free card. 11:13.663 --> 11:15.504 [SPEAKER_03]: Because I'm sure you get asked a lot to dance. 11:15.564 --> 11:17.424 [SPEAKER_03]: And you're like, I just, I can't, I can't do it. 11:17.624 --> 11:18.985 [SPEAKER_03]: And we have, we have this rule. 11:19.025 --> 11:20.065 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I love this rule. 11:20.225 --> 11:22.406 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I love this rule. 11:22.506 --> 11:25.006 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I can't don't just anybody vote free. 11:25.206 --> 11:28.907 [SPEAKER_03]: She didn't Max Kutuseps and I don't know how to do this. 11:28.927 --> 11:29.327 [SPEAKER_01]: Sorry. 11:29.447 --> 11:30.308 [SPEAKER_01]: Only the heart ones. 11:30.368 --> 11:30.928 [SPEAKER_01]: I'll say yes. 11:30.948 --> 11:31.148 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. 11:31.688 --> 11:35.130 [SPEAKER_01]: Listen, you can give me a FaceTime, I'll approve and give you a thumbs down. 11:35.551 --> 11:40.454 [SPEAKER_01]: But I love to, when I do get to dance with my boyfriend, it is very special. 11:40.474 --> 11:42.275 [SPEAKER_01]: He's a great dancer, so I love it. 11:42.375 --> 11:45.217 [SPEAKER_01]: But I miss so attractive when people can dance. 11:45.377 --> 11:45.898 [SPEAKER_01]: Totally. 11:46.418 --> 11:54.143 [SPEAKER_01]: Or like, when I bartended at this bar on sixth street, that's not there anymore, they used to have salsa lessons on Wednesdays. 11:54.163 --> 11:56.225 [SPEAKER_01]: And I would go dance with the instructor. 11:56.405 --> 11:58.246 [SPEAKER_01]: And we were not, listen, we were not. 11:58.626 --> 11:59.267 [SPEAKER_01]: together anything. 11:59.327 --> 12:04.470 [SPEAKER_01]: But I was like, whoa, like a man who can salsa dance is so good. 12:05.070 --> 12:05.690 [SPEAKER_01]: That's so fun. 12:05.750 --> 12:06.971 [SPEAKER_01]: Have you get it? 12:07.491 --> 12:08.112 [SPEAKER_01]: You mean salsa? 12:08.132 --> 12:08.932 [SPEAKER_01]: I knew a salsa dance. 12:08.992 --> 12:09.472 [SPEAKER_03]: I know. 12:09.492 --> 12:10.013 [SPEAKER_03]: I know. 12:10.113 --> 12:17.077 [SPEAKER_03]: I need to, I really do want to find, I wrote that in my little, you know, when you're manifesting, whatever, I want to get back to more dance. 12:17.777 --> 12:21.399 [SPEAKER_03]: And I'd love to find like a Latin salsa dance night and just go. 12:21.459 --> 12:22.660 [SPEAKER_03]: But I want to find a good partner. 12:22.900 --> 12:23.160 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. 12:23.180 --> 12:25.942 [SPEAKER_03]: Because you can't, I don't want to just, it's not a solo thing. 12:26.122 --> 12:26.282 [SPEAKER_03]: Like, 12:28.438 --> 12:33.481 [SPEAKER_01]: What about you should go on that the Austin has the dancing with the stars? 12:33.981 --> 12:37.003 [SPEAKER_01]: I would like that is in my little girl dream book. 12:37.103 --> 12:38.724 [SPEAKER_01]: Can I nominate you for that? 12:38.864 --> 12:39.584 [SPEAKER_01]: Please. 12:39.784 --> 12:42.906 [SPEAKER_01]: Because they have it, my friend Kendall Beard, you know, Kendall Beard? 12:42.926 --> 12:45.968 [SPEAKER_03]: If you mean she doesn't want to happen, I might actually love you for the rest of your life. 12:46.048 --> 12:49.710 [SPEAKER_03]: I think I want to do this so you can do that. 12:49.730 --> 12:53.152 [SPEAKER_03]: I saw when she, I think that's why I saw Kendall Diana and I was like, 12:54.432 --> 13:02.596 [SPEAKER_01]: I used to do that you would need to do this like I'm gonna make this happen because I'm I'm the last person who should be doing it But I know I know I know talent when I see it. 13:02.716 --> 13:04.677 [SPEAKER_01]: Okay, I would love to do. 13:05.137 --> 13:10.039 [SPEAKER_01]: Okay, well We need to talk about she rises because it's my first year going. 13:10.099 --> 13:14.562 [SPEAKER_01]: It's not gonna be your last though I have watched the videos and I get goosebumps. 13:14.662 --> 13:16.903 [SPEAKER_01]: It's all female festival 13:18.023 --> 13:22.769 [SPEAKER_01]: How much work you put into this thing is unbelievable. 13:22.829 --> 13:25.492 [SPEAKER_01]: You created it and now it's like taking off. 13:25.972 --> 13:27.554 [SPEAKER_01]: The lineup isn't saying. 13:28.255 --> 13:30.477 [SPEAKER_01]: It's, yeah, it's just find its feet. 13:30.637 --> 13:32.179 [SPEAKER_03]: It's taken a lot of, 13:33.721 --> 13:34.162 [SPEAKER_03]: learning. 13:34.983 --> 13:48.344 [SPEAKER_03]: I am a yes person and I'm a deer, but I, yeah, the first couple of years definitely tested a lot in me, but I'm so grateful for the test because it's all worth it. 13:48.844 --> 13:52.528 [SPEAKER_03]: After it all comes together, you're like, oh my word, this is why we do it. 13:52.868 --> 14:00.795 [SPEAKER_03]: There's like an energy to it that is, and it is all female front runners, but like my full bond is all amazing man. 14:01.376 --> 14:10.324 [SPEAKER_03]: And the man that are there and that attend it, just the whole community, it's just this like bubble of love. 14:10.745 --> 14:11.525 [SPEAKER_03]: And there's a, uh, 14:13.387 --> 14:20.814 [SPEAKER_03]: vibrance and like a real spectrum of color to the love, you know, like there's different festivals have different vibes like every time you go, you feel it. 14:20.894 --> 14:26.119 [SPEAKER_03]: This one just has this rainbow that you're like, what am I a part of right now? 14:26.419 --> 14:27.079 [SPEAKER_01]: That's so beautiful. 14:27.360 --> 14:29.982 [SPEAKER_01]: And I'm not taking responsibility for that. 14:30.002 --> 14:33.025 [SPEAKER_01]: That's because everybody has given everything to it. 14:33.385 --> 14:40.408 [SPEAKER_01]: You know, I love that because I think a lot of tends when some when people hear like all female, you think it's it's not man-hating. 14:40.528 --> 14:46.210 [SPEAKER_03]: It's man-including-inclusive and like the guys that do go probably have the time of their lives. 14:46.230 --> 14:50.231 [SPEAKER_03]: Well, it's still funny because I remember when Sarah her in a nice that's who we started it with. 14:50.911 --> 14:52.392 [SPEAKER_03]: We like, saw, and we were like, 14:53.170 --> 15:00.756 [SPEAKER_03]: Well, like there's lots of like, you know, festivals for everyone, but the heterosexual woman. 15:01.917 --> 15:04.720 [SPEAKER_03]: And we were both like, we both love men. 15:05.120 --> 15:08.123 [SPEAKER_03]: We're not like, you know, not too much, but like an healthy way. 15:08.503 --> 15:10.945 [SPEAKER_03]: But we're both like, we've got like, we're both that. 15:11.025 --> 15:13.387 [SPEAKER_03]: And she was like, let's just go for that. 15:13.527 --> 15:13.987 [SPEAKER_03]: Like, let's 15:14.708 --> 15:19.352 [SPEAKER_03]: And that and itself brings the we're like welcome man please because we love you. 15:19.372 --> 15:19.572 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah. 15:19.893 --> 15:21.894 [SPEAKER_03]: We just want to even hide the skills a little bit. 15:22.094 --> 15:25.437 [SPEAKER_01]: That's all it is totally in the lineup isn't so incredible. 15:25.557 --> 15:27.819 [SPEAKER_01]: Tell us a little bit about who's yeah. 15:27.899 --> 15:33.104 [SPEAKER_03]: So this year we have Ruthie Foster, which I'm just so bad. 15:33.504 --> 15:33.784 [SPEAKER_01]: I use 15:38.388 --> 16:01.382 [SPEAKER_03]: After the last one and I kind of, I'm a bit wee wee about it, but I like we until it comes in and I see it and I saw her and I was like, that's who needs to be on at this year and she couldn't do it to start with and then something fell through and then she was like, hey, I can do it and I was like, I saw it and then we have rainbow girls which are they're just incredible their California Beast women of country which is 16:06.205 --> 16:07.266 [SPEAKER_03]: And Kelly will us. 16:07.286 --> 16:07.946 [SPEAKER_01]: Thank you so much. 16:07.986 --> 16:08.307 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know. 16:08.327 --> 16:09.267 [SPEAKER_03]: I'm part of there. 16:09.487 --> 16:10.308 [SPEAKER_01]: They're there. 16:10.368 --> 16:11.929 [SPEAKER_01]: That them as a trio is. 16:12.309 --> 16:16.853 [SPEAKER_01]: I Unplayed it when I was growing When bread and things I'm like stop. 16:17.053 --> 16:17.753 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, I know. 16:18.034 --> 16:18.394 [SPEAKER_01]: I know. 16:18.574 --> 16:19.735 [SPEAKER_03]: There's a voice. 16:20.035 --> 16:21.396 [SPEAKER_01]: They are good tire playing. 16:22.217 --> 16:25.459 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah Also, I I started getting chin hair in my late 30s. 16:25.479 --> 16:26.700 [SPEAKER_01]: That was a new thing for me too. 16:26.800 --> 16:29.262 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, it's there's that one One more like 16:31.523 --> 16:33.425 [SPEAKER_01]: You can blame it on Brennan now. 16:33.445 --> 16:33.785 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. 16:34.025 --> 16:36.747 [SPEAKER_03]: I literally, when I hear really amazing people, I'm like, nope. 16:36.968 --> 16:37.788 [SPEAKER_03]: No, stay in. 16:37.808 --> 16:38.108 [SPEAKER_03]: Hold on. 16:38.609 --> 16:39.890 [SPEAKER_03]: Get back in there. 16:40.450 --> 16:43.172 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, it's just obviously you're joined in us for the first time. 16:43.192 --> 16:44.593 [SPEAKER_03]: I've wanted to be there for so long. 16:44.613 --> 16:45.794 [SPEAKER_01]: Susan Gibson's coming. 16:45.874 --> 16:46.455 [SPEAKER_01]: She's awesome. 16:46.655 --> 16:47.236 [SPEAKER_03]: I love her. 16:47.256 --> 16:50.258 [SPEAKER_03]: Um, Rosie Flores. 16:51.219 --> 16:53.701 [SPEAKER_03]: I have the Bridgerdains, which are from... 16:54.461 --> 16:55.542 [SPEAKER_03]: I wasn't Nashville. 16:56.283 --> 16:57.924 [SPEAKER_03]: I tried my best to just like, 16:59.323 --> 17:15.796 [SPEAKER_03]: Include as many as possible from all over, but also just this year, I just recognize that we are a destination festival and there is so much talent in this area, Austin and the surrounding area that I'm just kind of really celebrating the fact that we're all bringing that to town. 17:16.156 --> 17:19.438 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, you know, because the, yeah, the talent is just extraordinary. 17:20.099 --> 17:20.900 [SPEAKER_01]: That's so exciting. 17:21.320 --> 17:22.040 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, King Margo. 17:22.201 --> 17:22.821 [SPEAKER_01]: King Margo. 17:22.961 --> 17:24.122 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, they're so good. 17:24.142 --> 17:24.662 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, my gosh. 17:24.803 --> 17:25.403 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm so excited. 17:25.423 --> 17:27.745 [SPEAKER_03]: They played last year at the VIP. 17:28.205 --> 17:37.067 [SPEAKER_03]: And then Beat Root did a show with him and I was like, okay, you have to be on the main stage like this, I just adore their whole presence. 17:37.747 --> 17:41.068 [SPEAKER_03]: I love watching people that are brilliant and then are funny as fuck. 17:41.088 --> 17:41.668 [SPEAKER_03]: Oh, I do. 17:41.708 --> 17:41.828 [SPEAKER_03]: I do. 17:41.848 --> 17:41.988 [SPEAKER_03]: I do. 17:42.008 --> 17:42.188 [SPEAKER_03]: I do. 17:42.208 --> 17:42.368 [SPEAKER_03]: I do. 17:42.408 --> 17:42.608 [SPEAKER_03]: I do. 17:42.668 --> 17:42.968 [SPEAKER_03]: I do. 17:43.048 --> 17:43.388 [SPEAKER_01]: I do. 17:43.468 --> 17:43.768 [SPEAKER_01]: I do. 17:44.108 --> 17:44.289 [SPEAKER_01]: I do. 17:51.270 --> 17:52.751 [SPEAKER_01]: I know, I can't help it sometimes. 17:53.071 --> 17:55.333 [SPEAKER_01]: A well-placed customer does, it can be a normal one. 17:55.433 --> 17:56.213 [SPEAKER_01]: Only one. 17:56.273 --> 17:57.734 [SPEAKER_01]: No, there's no one. 17:58.054 --> 17:59.135 [SPEAKER_01]: But yeah, no, King Margo. 17:59.435 --> 18:04.878 [SPEAKER_01]: OK, that's, and they are so kind to and funny, like you said, and just unbelievably talented, so. 18:04.958 --> 18:09.361 [SPEAKER_03]: And just very real, like that, yeah, that just cuts through for me. 18:10.462 --> 18:13.683 [SPEAKER_03]: I'm probably missing a load, like, I know I have. 18:13.703 --> 18:14.284 [SPEAKER_03]: Christina Albert. 18:14.684 --> 18:18.006 [SPEAKER_03]: I had Eliza Gilcus in last year, and I'm sure slash no, 18:19.927 --> 18:20.628 [SPEAKER_03]: A cameo. 18:20.868 --> 18:21.549 [SPEAKER_03]: Are you serious? 18:21.569 --> 18:22.630 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I love Eliza. 18:22.810 --> 18:27.475 [SPEAKER_03]: Oh, yeah, she's got yeah, she's just gonna come and sit in with a couple Yeah, okay. 18:27.495 --> 18:29.036 [SPEAKER_03]: She's a big supporter of our festival. 18:29.096 --> 18:30.177 [SPEAKER_03]: That's incredible. 18:30.498 --> 18:37.524 [SPEAKER_01]: Well, what you've done is is Really unbelievable magical and and Hopefully when this is out there still tickets left 18:38.525 --> 18:40.609 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, hopefully they're moving fast. 18:40.629 --> 18:53.187 [SPEAKER_03]: They're even good and I've just got to a point where we started so big with this and I think it was like we're very ambitious and then we recognize that you got to give something some time to grow as well like 18:53.947 --> 19:02.431 [SPEAKER_03]: And I have just got a real piece to like knowing that whatever the festival is every year is what exactly what it's meant to be. 19:03.131 --> 19:06.413 [SPEAKER_03]: Like, you know, it is a smaller festival than we thought. 19:06.453 --> 19:10.034 [SPEAKER_03]: You know, at the start we were like, oh, well, we'll cap it at like 3,000. 19:10.455 --> 19:13.956 [SPEAKER_03]: And that was just not what it became to start with. 19:13.996 --> 19:18.558 [SPEAKER_03]: It's a much more boutiques kind of in the kind of 500 to 800 size. 19:18.678 --> 19:20.119 [SPEAKER_03]: And that is perfect for it. 19:20.439 --> 19:20.779 [SPEAKER_01]: you know. 19:20.859 --> 19:21.459 [SPEAKER_01]: I love that. 19:21.699 --> 19:22.960 [SPEAKER_01]: And I think that's really smart. 19:22.980 --> 19:30.982 [SPEAKER_01]: A lot of times people, you know, multiple times people come to me and said, we want you to have this on all female textist thing. 19:31.002 --> 19:33.762 [SPEAKER_01]: I said, look, I'm not going to bring what you want. 19:34.402 --> 19:36.043 [SPEAKER_01]: And then it's going to look bad on me. 19:36.063 --> 19:40.484 [SPEAKER_01]: And for all of you, then I feel like I've carried the burden of all females everywhere. 19:40.504 --> 19:45.345 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I have a festival and I didn't, I didn't bring enough people and then people say, oh, well, it's a female. 19:45.405 --> 19:45.685 [SPEAKER_01]: You know, 19:45.845 --> 19:47.146 [SPEAKER_03]: Like it is hard. 19:47.166 --> 19:55.931 [SPEAKER_03]: It like that was a pressure that I felt real bad the first couple years and then I just Let it go and nive because obviously come on to America. 19:56.051 --> 19:57.592 [SPEAKER_03]: I was like artist forward. 19:57.732 --> 20:14.603 [SPEAKER_03]: I was like in front of the curtain on the stage And nive I've been opened up to all of the goings on behind the scenes You know having all the agents call you having like being wearing because I know the artist rule And nive I know all the other roles as well and it just doesn't 20:15.283 --> 20:22.727 [SPEAKER_03]: A fastival doesn't, isn't the exact, it's not the same as, like, say, I go and do a big show, one big show here. 20:23.167 --> 20:27.290 [SPEAKER_03]: Like, I've recognized that, like, your demographic is just different, your draw is different. 20:28.030 --> 20:29.151 [SPEAKER_03]: And you just have to go with a flow. 20:29.171 --> 20:31.052 [SPEAKER_03]: You just have to figure out how to make it work. 20:31.412 --> 20:31.712 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. 20:31.932 --> 20:32.132 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. 20:32.473 --> 20:33.013 [SPEAKER_01]: I love that. 20:33.113 --> 20:34.534 [SPEAKER_01]: And people are really choosing 20:35.114 --> 20:46.904 [SPEAKER_01]: At least it seems to me where to spend their money and where to do things in terms of they're not necessarily going to their hunky-tonke every Thursday, but they're going to a destination festival, making that like their big thing. 20:47.424 --> 20:48.425 [SPEAKER_01]: And so that's really fun. 20:48.465 --> 20:55.270 [SPEAKER_01]: This is, this is your chance to do that because it is, I, when I saw the lineup, I was like blown away. 21:01.575 --> 21:10.422 [SPEAKER_02]: Hey, this is Bree Bagwell, and if you want to listen to this podcast early and add free, subscribe to my Patreon at www.patrion.com, backslash Bree Bagwell. 21:12.043 --> 21:14.505 [SPEAKER_01]: And it also supports your nonprofit too, right? 21:14.625 --> 21:15.866 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, do we need to talk about that too? 21:15.926 --> 21:24.214 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, so it's all, so that when it first came to me, I had just started the non-profit, and that's how I made it make sense in my head. 21:25.174 --> 21:27.997 [SPEAKER_03]: I got a approach bar promoter who was like, do you want this weekend? 21:28.037 --> 21:30.579 [SPEAKER_03]: I think you should do something with it, like put together festival. 21:30.599 --> 21:36.904 [SPEAKER_03]: I was like, well, I've just started this non-profit to utilize the healing part of music on children with severe trauma. 21:37.805 --> 21:54.344 [SPEAKER_03]: These are two massive projects to come at me at once, like, and, yeah, maybe in the many act that I am, I just was like, well, I'll just tie them together, so as long as the festival supports the nonprofit, then it makes sense in my heart, and if it makes sense in my heart, I can make it work. 21:55.125 --> 22:17.622 [SPEAKER_03]: So yeah, it is our me and fundraiser to support the programs which are now I bi-weekly at helping hand home for children and monthly at Dell Children's Hospital, where we go in and write songs and perform with the bedside and we're really trying to get that this year we're going to split the pot with a non-profit in-towels as well so that it makes sense for the destination. 22:17.962 --> 22:22.225 [SPEAKER_03]: Because ever since I started this I really wanted it to be a parent that I want 22:25.147 --> 22:29.611 [SPEAKER_03]: the beautiful lounge that we get to go and be in and you know drinking. 22:30.171 --> 22:31.592 [SPEAKER_03]: That's that's awesome. 22:31.732 --> 22:36.175 [SPEAKER_01]: We started donating to two dog shelters that were like one for my hometown and one in the New Brownville. 22:36.676 --> 22:45.382 [SPEAKER_01]: And now everywhere we go we're like oh no now we have 10 you know you meet all these people that you love and you fall in love with that that is so beautiful. 22:45.522 --> 22:52.207 [SPEAKER_01]: I played the Del Children's Hospital one time and I've done Dallas Children's a few times but 22:53.248 --> 23:00.476 [SPEAKER_01]: the first time I ever played Deld Children's I went and I realized oh no I don't have that many songs that are kid friendly. 23:00.516 --> 23:14.069 [SPEAKER_03]: It's so funny you say that because the recent workshop that we did we literally stood outside the bed we were just in like a round of 15 kids and every single song we went to sing what I know I can't sing that. 23:14.109 --> 23:14.570 [SPEAKER_01]: No I can't. 23:14.890 --> 23:15.691 [SPEAKER_01]: That one has whiskey. 23:15.891 --> 23:16.632 [SPEAKER_01]: That one has beer. 23:16.772 --> 23:17.654 [SPEAKER_01]: Or just cheating. 23:17.714 --> 23:26.885 [SPEAKER_03]: Also then because of the sadting that you're in, like everything becomes like really, really dramatic and sad. 23:27.345 --> 23:28.246 [SPEAKER_03]: You are my sunshine. 23:29.508 --> 23:30.109 [SPEAKER_03]: Oh, right. 23:30.329 --> 23:32.992 [SPEAKER_01]: Like all these little songs that are just because you can only do 30 sets. 23:34.013 --> 23:35.214 [SPEAKER_03]: It's a very quick turnaround. 23:35.254 --> 23:39.155 [SPEAKER_03]: It's just like to really give the family a bit of surprise and bring some positivity. 23:39.995 --> 23:45.117 [SPEAKER_03]: So we ended up just doing a lot of Disney stuff, but everyone we went to go and sing I don't know. 23:45.677 --> 23:50.619 [SPEAKER_03]: And even when we're singing it, we're looking at each other like, I know, I know. 23:50.819 --> 23:56.661 [SPEAKER_01]: I started doing Disney songs too, and then I was actually really shocked I sang a song in Spanish, and that was like, 23:57.001 --> 24:02.426 [SPEAKER_01]: the hit which was okay, but I need to make more of an effort to write kid-friendly songs. 24:02.466 --> 24:05.408 [SPEAKER_01]: My mom told me everyone in your songs has hell or damn. 24:05.889 --> 24:23.083 [SPEAKER_01]: So I told her I'm gonna write her song called Hell Yeah, damn right That song for my mom But now that I want now that I want to do more things like that You know, you're more conscious of it when you when you write songs Yeah, and speaking of your new record though, I feel like you could play a lot of those 24:23.864 --> 24:24.344 [SPEAKER_03]: songs? 24:24.664 --> 24:32.687 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, yeah, I mean I try and like I bring a lot of other musicians in with me too and I kind of try and spread it all I am. 24:32.727 --> 24:36.168 [SPEAKER_03]: But yeah, I am really happy with that little record. 24:36.568 --> 24:41.049 [SPEAKER_01]: I was gonna gush at you over text message but I thought I should just wait because 24:42.190 --> 24:45.773 [SPEAKER_01]: It is, you should be just so proud of that record. 24:45.813 --> 24:46.633 [SPEAKER_01]: It was so good. 24:46.713 --> 24:47.534 [SPEAKER_01]: It blew me away. 24:47.574 --> 24:50.716 [SPEAKER_01]: It's gorgeous, but it feels just like so you. 24:50.736 --> 24:51.557 [SPEAKER_01]: Thank you. 24:51.577 --> 24:59.382 [SPEAKER_01]: It has all the sounds of you and your accent really cuts through, but the songwriting is incredible. 24:59.602 --> 25:05.126 [SPEAKER_01]: It seems like it's very like self-aware record of maybe where you are at this moment in your life or something. 25:05.186 --> 25:06.427 [SPEAKER_01]: I really related to salt. 25:06.667 --> 25:07.448 [SPEAKER_01]: Well, thank you. 25:07.468 --> 25:08.949 [SPEAKER_03]: Because there's, and so glad. 25:08.969 --> 25:09.749 [SPEAKER_03]: Thank you for saying that. 25:11.090 --> 25:28.150 [SPEAKER_03]: There's moments where I'm like, oh, I've been a little too like, you know, open because I'm just a very open person and like it's hard to have your the right perspective and I'm like, wow, that's you're just you're just given it straight, but that's all I really know what to do like as a songwriter, I like. 25:28.991 --> 25:31.452 [SPEAKER_03]: I'm not a prolific poet. 25:31.712 --> 25:35.673 [SPEAKER_03]: I am a very honest heart-driven, like, oh, if I feel it. 25:36.173 --> 25:41.074 [SPEAKER_03]: And then I will try my best to articulate it and a much more poetic manner. 25:41.114 --> 25:46.455 [SPEAKER_03]: But I know the songwriter that I am, and I'm just accepting it and pushing, right? 25:46.635 --> 25:55.257 [SPEAKER_03]: There was times, I'm sure my ego was like, oh, you need to be, you're not, you're not John Prime, you're not doing this, you're not, you know, and then with this record, I was like, you know what? 25:56.177 --> 25:57.298 [SPEAKER_03]: I'm just who I am. 25:57.338 --> 26:03.903 [SPEAKER_03]: And even if this is just going to fall on a hundred years, it's my little story. 26:04.883 --> 26:17.552 [SPEAKER_01]: That's exactly what I got from it that it was completely authentic, which I think we talked about that a lot on this podcast where authenticity is what really, like what people actually crave and relate to the most. 26:19.333 --> 26:30.720 [SPEAKER_01]: And it is very authentic and there's very specific lines in there that make me feel like you're telling the truth or whatever You know like there's never a moment where I'm like, yeah, it was just so truthful But but it was poet. 26:30.740 --> 26:31.821 [SPEAKER_01]: It can be useful too. 26:32.081 --> 26:36.504 [SPEAKER_01]: So I think it was all those things and like defined me like destroyed me. 26:36.864 --> 26:40.166 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh That is so good. 26:40.226 --> 26:41.127 [SPEAKER_01]: That's an honest one. 26:41.167 --> 26:46.430 [SPEAKER_03]: I wrote that after And afternoon with a little boy at the children's office. 26:46.450 --> 26:46.871 [SPEAKER_03]: Where did I find you? 26:46.951 --> 26:47.511 [SPEAKER_03]: Sorry to do it 26:47.751 --> 26:49.373 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I called it two different names. 26:49.433 --> 26:51.815 [SPEAKER_01]: I didn't really sit in the story, I don't know for time. 26:51.855 --> 26:53.536 [SPEAKER_01]: Like, I don't know which one I made here. 26:53.576 --> 26:54.717 [SPEAKER_03]: I know personal to me. 26:54.777 --> 26:55.278 [SPEAKER_03]: I love it. 26:55.318 --> 26:56.919 [SPEAKER_03]: I don't know how to define you. 26:56.939 --> 26:57.660 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I like that. 26:58.060 --> 27:04.926 [SPEAKER_03]: But yeah, no, I was in the home, and obviously the helping hand children's home is a home for severely traumatized children. 27:04.946 --> 27:07.729 [SPEAKER_03]: Like, they belong to the state, they're in protection. 27:08.650 --> 27:11.212 [SPEAKER_03]: And, you know, their situations are... 27:12.513 --> 27:13.413 [SPEAKER_03]: You can't even... 27:14.274 --> 27:15.514 [SPEAKER_03]: I have to disassociate. 27:15.694 --> 27:16.594 [SPEAKER_03]: It's so bad. 27:17.815 --> 27:23.617 [SPEAKER_03]: But this one, afternoon, I was writing a song with this little boy who was so adamant that he was not letting me in. 27:23.777 --> 27:26.298 [SPEAKER_03]: Like he was just like, no, I don't like music now. 27:26.558 --> 27:27.278 [SPEAKER_03]: No, no, thank you. 27:27.578 --> 27:32.260 [SPEAKER_03]: And we were doing like a little list of like presents that he would musical presents that we're going to try and bring him. 27:32.940 --> 27:36.786 [SPEAKER_03]: And he was trying to do that, and then I just got a couple of like, what's your birthday? 27:36.926 --> 27:42.875 [SPEAKER_03]: You know what, and I just started writing this little country-ditty to start with, and wrote this other song that was just for him. 27:43.315 --> 27:49.184 [SPEAKER_03]: And as I was playing it, he's like, I mean, he's a five-year-old or six-year-old, and he's like, just the cutest little kid. 27:49.844 --> 28:06.655 [SPEAKER_03]: And he's like sitting right and then he's like trying his best to like he all me and you know I'm sitting there and then he's like I start playing it and I was like, I think that it's a really you know Goody thing and he's like, hey And I was like yeah, and he's like and he points under the table and his foot is tapping exactly on the beat He's like, why's my foot doing that? 28:07.942 --> 28:09.283 [SPEAKER_03]: And I was like, oh, you like it. 28:09.304 --> 28:11.025 [SPEAKER_03]: And I was like, I don't, I don't like this. 28:11.206 --> 28:12.627 [SPEAKER_03]: This boy is so much character. 28:13.188 --> 28:20.496 [SPEAKER_03]: But it just in that moment, I got to see the resilience of what this little boy is faced yet. 28:20.556 --> 28:26.162 [SPEAKER_03]: He's still find a way to trust me and also just open up. 28:26.792 --> 28:28.715 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, that's where the end was. 28:28.735 --> 28:31.739 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I went home and I was like, God, he just didn't let it define him. 28:32.019 --> 28:34.202 [SPEAKER_03]: He just won't let this situation define him. 28:34.242 --> 28:42.413 [SPEAKER_03]: And obviously, then you, you really get it to yourself where you're like, I can't let, you know, whatever's going on, whatever depression I'm going through, whatever. 28:43.254 --> 28:45.995 [SPEAKER_03]: you know, life problem that we're facing. 28:46.195 --> 28:47.436 [SPEAKER_03]: You can't let it own you. 28:47.456 --> 28:48.296 [SPEAKER_03]: You have to live it. 28:48.516 --> 28:49.237 [SPEAKER_03]: You can't let it own you. 28:49.337 --> 28:52.538 [SPEAKER_03]: And that was just like all this mix of all that. 28:53.278 --> 28:54.379 [SPEAKER_01]: That's so beautiful. 28:54.459 --> 28:59.881 [SPEAKER_01]: Did you just feel like you had this calling to help these kids or what? 28:59.901 --> 29:01.122 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, what how did I even start? 29:01.742 --> 29:05.304 [SPEAKER_03]: So I was a high school music teacher before I came here. 29:05.985 --> 29:06.425 [SPEAKER_03]: You were? 29:06.485 --> 29:06.705 [SPEAKER_03]: Mm-hmm. 29:07.025 --> 29:12.229 [SPEAKER_03]: I got an opportunity to do like a Master's PGCE, my dad begged me to do it. 29:13.129 --> 29:17.712 [SPEAKER_03]: I did it with meant to be a year, and then I was meant to do the whole Nashville Go to America thing. 29:19.373 --> 29:22.635 [SPEAKER_03]: And then I got offered like a job to take over a department. 29:22.655 --> 29:25.297 [SPEAKER_03]: It was kind of like a sister act situation, you know? 29:25.317 --> 29:28.959 [SPEAKER_03]: And I was like, I'm, this is a first time teaching job. 29:28.979 --> 29:29.120 [SPEAKER_03]: Like, 29:29.920 --> 29:35.295 [SPEAKER_03]: I'm going to go for this just because they say go for interviews and obviously being like a performer like 29:37.477 --> 29:49.207 [SPEAKER_03]: I knew how to, like, I did this interview where I got them all singing, you know, Eminem Stan, and I, like, broke it down into, like, I got them beatboxing, and like, I knew myself. 29:49.267 --> 29:53.051 [SPEAKER_03]: I was pulling out all the stuff, and I got offered the job. 29:53.251 --> 29:57.255 [SPEAKER_03]: And again, my dad was like, you've got to take this head of department job. 29:57.275 --> 29:59.637 [SPEAKER_03]: It was in Kent, just like, said London. 30:01.458 --> 30:07.060 [SPEAKER_03]: So I took it with the idea, I'll stay for a year or so, ended up Sam for three years, absolutely loved it. 30:07.561 --> 30:10.742 [SPEAKER_03]: Did like big productions, like I put on sister act, lying king. 30:11.502 --> 30:13.683 [SPEAKER_03]: Like all wicked, all of that stuff. 30:13.703 --> 30:14.624 [SPEAKER_03]: How come on? 30:14.764 --> 30:21.727 [SPEAKER_03]: And then it was one of my form tutor, or one of my form class, like I was, at that point, 26. 30:22.167 --> 30:22.707 [SPEAKER_03]: These kids were 18. 30:22.727 --> 30:22.967 [SPEAKER_03]: Like, 30:24.888 --> 30:27.932 [SPEAKER_03]: That's not a big gap, but like, and I used to check him out in the morning. 30:27.952 --> 30:32.717 [SPEAKER_03]: They'd make me my coffee and one of the little kids I got really friendly with his mum as well. 30:33.718 --> 30:35.660 [SPEAKER_03]: We were going through like, what do you want to do with life? 30:35.801 --> 30:36.982 [SPEAKER_03]: You know what, how are you doing? 30:37.042 --> 30:40.226 [SPEAKER_03]: Like, this is your last year in school and he was like, you know what, Miss? 30:40.386 --> 30:41.527 [SPEAKER_03]: We've all been talking and 30:42.448 --> 30:44.289 [SPEAKER_03]: you're not doing what you tell us today. 30:44.309 --> 30:45.970 [SPEAKER_03]: I was like, what do you mean? 30:45.990 --> 30:47.351 [SPEAKER_03]: You're like, you're not living the dream. 30:47.851 --> 30:54.856 [SPEAKER_03]: You should be, we know you gig, like, because I was still gig in, like, every Thursday, and we know you're in time gig and then, why don't you go do it? 30:54.876 --> 30:56.597 [SPEAKER_03]: Like, you're making your recedes and all, like, 30:57.596 --> 31:13.523 [SPEAKER_03]: I was like, you're right, and it went right in, and then after that, I quit my job on Matt Bam, he was living in a midstone, he was like a little rock star, kind of rock in the scene, and he was coming to America, and I was like, okay, I'm going to go do this. 31:13.983 --> 31:25.389 [SPEAKER_03]: Wow, did you ever want to go to, like you said Nashville, but that was, that was just more like there's a Nashville, Nashville and Belfast had this sister cities program for a long time. 31:25.909 --> 31:36.335 [SPEAKER_03]: So like I was always aware that Nashville was a songwriter and like, I was always drawn to LA, all the big cities have always just had a feeling of like, well if you want to figure something out you got to be there. 31:36.395 --> 31:40.157 [SPEAKER_03]: Like if you want to get into the industry, like you've got to kind of surround yourself with it. 31:41.798 --> 31:58.577 [SPEAKER_03]: But yeah, it was just like a calling of some sort of like I want I knew I wanted to I think I knew I needed to let go of all security so that I knew this is going to be hard and when it got really hard I had no way to run to so I had to just keep going forward. 31:59.802 --> 32:00.362 [SPEAKER_03]: That's awesome. 32:00.742 --> 32:02.123 [SPEAKER_03]: So like I couldn't go back to Ireland. 32:02.323 --> 32:07.285 [SPEAKER_03]: The times that I wanted to just grow go and see my parents and be like, oh, I just want to like, I just couldn't do it. 32:07.325 --> 32:08.865 [SPEAKER_01]: So you just had to keep going forward. 32:09.206 --> 32:10.346 [SPEAKER_01]: That's so interesting. 32:10.386 --> 32:14.968 [SPEAKER_01]: I know mine's not even near as far but my family's, you know, 10 hour drive away. 32:15.608 --> 32:21.090 [SPEAKER_01]: and it just kind of forces you to pivot and just figure it out, which is what I feel like I've been doing for 15 years. 32:21.151 --> 32:22.911 [SPEAKER_01]: It's just pivoting and figuring it out. 32:23.472 --> 32:30.034 [SPEAKER_01]: And then Mom always jokes that, you know, I was just far enough away that by the time I had my mental breakdown, by the time she got here, I would be over it. 32:30.074 --> 32:33.556 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, that's kind of, that is a beautiful thing. 32:33.576 --> 32:35.977 [SPEAKER_03]: Because it's all in here, right? 32:36.437 --> 32:38.018 [SPEAKER_03]: Like you need your support network. 32:38.578 --> 32:41.380 [SPEAKER_03]: But you're the one person that's going to make the change, right? 32:41.420 --> 32:48.205 [SPEAKER_03]: So you're going to be the one person that just hears that little whisper that goes get out of it, just going to try one more time. 32:48.825 --> 32:49.325 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah. 32:49.506 --> 32:51.827 [SPEAKER_03]: I have had that so many times in my life where I'm going to give up. 32:52.388 --> 32:56.650 [SPEAKER_03]: Like I had moments even with the festival where I was like, I can't do this. 32:56.670 --> 33:00.193 [SPEAKER_03]: Like the second one, I went to hospital for the first time because my stomach was so bad. 33:00.213 --> 33:01.334 [SPEAKER_03]: The stress I was feeling. 33:02.275 --> 33:08.711 [SPEAKER_03]: And I was like, right, I had resigned, I was like, I just don't, I don't know how I can physically do it and I just heard this little whisper like 33:10.180 --> 33:17.082 [SPEAKER_02]: I've had moments like that where I filled the universe kind of gives me a hug and it's just like, it's okay. 33:17.222 --> 33:17.582 [SPEAKER_01]: I know. 33:17.602 --> 33:27.585 [SPEAKER_01]: One time I was in a hot spring in Terlingla and I was just ready to hang it up and like the wind picked up and it kind of just told me like, hey, you're fine. 33:28.085 --> 33:33.747 [SPEAKER_01]: And that's such a beautiful thing and I know that I can get kind of hippie spiritual like that. 33:33.767 --> 33:37.988 [SPEAKER_01]: But like, it has helped me and whether that's God or whatever, you know, you feel 33:39.028 --> 33:44.133 [SPEAKER_01]: With music, you kind of have to have those moments because it's so easy to just want to throw it in. 33:44.374 --> 33:57.967 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, well, because it's not like it's not a normal industry like the amount of ours hours and like time and effort and energy that we put in in any other occupation. 33:58.728 --> 34:00.670 [SPEAKER_03]: We would be like we've been talking. 34:00.690 --> 34:02.291 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, we really would and it's like 34:03.152 --> 34:08.398 [SPEAKER_03]: It doesn't, but it has to, and that's where part of our pain lives, and that's where we access that pain. 34:09.959 --> 34:14.584 [SPEAKER_03]: It's just like you're either in it for life or you're like, it's, I'm stuck. 34:15.325 --> 34:16.666 [SPEAKER_01]: What else are we gonna do though? 34:16.706 --> 34:18.148 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, like, and now it's, 34:18.631 --> 34:36.571 [SPEAKER_01]: really cool you are like a staple of the awesome music scene like you are you've really established yourself as that you I see your name on just really cool stuff that I'm like yeah you only get those opportunities if you're like really doing a great job in the 34:37.352 --> 34:40.914 [SPEAKER_01]: to be a staple of the awesome music scene is one of the most impressive things, I think. 34:41.054 --> 34:47.477 [SPEAKER_03]: Well, when we first came here, I remember just being like, oh, you have to be so good to cut in here. 34:47.657 --> 34:52.059 [SPEAKER_03]: Like, I spent, we got like a deal in Nashville and spent a lot of time in Nashville and I love it. 34:53.199 --> 34:57.264 [SPEAKER_03]: But there's something different in Austin that I don't know. 34:57.304 --> 35:07.294 [SPEAKER_03]: There's like, it's like the caliber of nationals and credible too, but there's something in Austin that it's just like, there's people are real and they're insanely good, like everywhere you turn. 35:08.355 --> 35:10.816 [SPEAKER_03]: But they're not driving, they're driving the art forward. 35:10.836 --> 35:13.577 [SPEAKER_03]: They're not necessarily business focused all the time. 35:14.177 --> 35:16.078 [SPEAKER_03]: And I definitely related to that too. 35:16.158 --> 35:16.478 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah. 35:16.918 --> 35:28.943 [SPEAKER_01]: And that's what sometimes it just got exhausting explaining yourself all the time or you feel like you are missing out if you're not networking, but then when you're networking, you get tired of real connection or something. 35:28.963 --> 35:29.703 [SPEAKER_01]: It's exhausting. 35:29.723 --> 35:30.023 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. 35:30.164 --> 35:30.924 [SPEAKER_03]: And you feel gross. 35:30.964 --> 35:32.484 [SPEAKER_03]: I even feel grossed during South by. 35:32.524 --> 35:33.185 [SPEAKER_03]: That's my one. 35:34.025 --> 35:38.167 [SPEAKER_03]: like I always feel like dirty after I've been around all the side by stuff. 35:38.207 --> 35:41.549 [SPEAKER_03]: I'm like, oh, I don't want to ask you to choose me. 35:42.130 --> 35:42.550 [SPEAKER_03]: I don't. 35:42.670 --> 35:44.631 [SPEAKER_03]: Like, either you choose me or don't. 35:45.131 --> 35:51.975 [SPEAKER_01]: I totally, that's, you did such a good job explaining that because it's almost like impossible to explain, but that is such a, that it was perfect. 35:51.995 --> 35:52.856 [SPEAKER_02]: Because you feel gross. 35:52.896 --> 35:53.636 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, you feel gross. 35:53.676 --> 35:57.038 [SPEAKER_02]: And then I just get tired of being like, what, you know, what's your story? 35:57.058 --> 35:57.759 [SPEAKER_02]: And like you're like, 35:58.759 --> 36:06.843 [SPEAKER_01]: I've done all of these things, but then I don't want to brag too much, but I want to brag, but I have to brag. 36:08.203 --> 36:12.225 [SPEAKER_01]: It's like you're always trying to sell yourself when you're like, hey, I've been doing this for 15 years. 36:12.245 --> 36:18.048 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm not, and I'm not going to pitch you like a salesman of myself, and it sucks that you. 36:18.648 --> 36:21.289 [SPEAKER_01]: Still have to pitch yourself, but you do. 36:21.369 --> 36:26.250 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, like, you don't have somebody there representing you at all times, like, don't talk to her. 36:26.310 --> 36:27.170 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm doing it. 36:27.230 --> 36:32.392 [SPEAKER_03]: And it's so, it is gross feeling, but also there's that element of my journey. 36:32.512 --> 36:38.833 [SPEAKER_03]: I find that when I've released it, because I have held tight to it and I have really been like, got to do this, got to that. 36:38.913 --> 36:40.694 [SPEAKER_03]: And then I got to point where I was like, no. 36:41.334 --> 36:48.341 [SPEAKER_03]: And I let it go, and I, the right stuff, just keeps filtering in, because my mindset changed on it. 36:48.481 --> 36:59.151 [SPEAKER_03]: I didn't need, and it was when the pandemic came, we were going so hard and fast, and we were on those really big national tours with the, as an opening act. 36:59.952 --> 37:05.135 [SPEAKER_03]: And I just felt like I had to say yes to everything because we were signed to a major deal. 37:05.155 --> 37:09.297 [SPEAKER_03]: Like we got up, but it was like, oh, we have to say yes because we're in it now. 37:09.537 --> 37:09.717 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. 37:09.797 --> 37:11.938 [SPEAKER_03]: And then the pandemic stopped us. 37:12.038 --> 37:15.060 [SPEAKER_03]: Ben was like, I can't go on. 37:15.080 --> 37:15.880 [SPEAKER_03]: And I'm like, what do you mean? 37:15.900 --> 37:18.041 [SPEAKER_03]: Like in my mind, I was like, this is the dream. 37:18.081 --> 37:18.762 [SPEAKER_03]: This is what we're doing. 37:19.662 --> 37:31.245 [SPEAKER_03]: And then I got that space to actually go, oh this is really hard and actually I don't need to say yes to absolutely everything because it's not serving me as a human. 37:31.305 --> 37:36.147 [SPEAKER_03]: I'm missing out on so many other parts of life just because I feel like I have to say yes all the time. 37:37.427 --> 37:40.368 [SPEAKER_03]: He was so good at recognizing that way earlier than me. 37:41.108 --> 37:50.611 [SPEAKER_01]: Good for him, but I think that's like male versus, I don't know, we are kind of programmed to do it all and do it all at the same time, and like multi-tasking is actually bad for women too. 37:51.191 --> 37:52.271 [SPEAKER_01]: It's bad for everybody. 37:52.311 --> 37:52.631 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. 37:52.671 --> 37:53.511 [SPEAKER_02]: It's like, oh, you're a woman. 37:53.531 --> 37:54.332 [SPEAKER_02]: You can multi-task. 37:54.352 --> 37:56.392 [SPEAKER_02]: It's like that's bad for human brains. 37:57.352 --> 38:03.094 [SPEAKER_01]: No matter what, and I'm in this space where I don't have a show for like 10 days right now. 38:04.078 --> 38:07.943 [SPEAKER_01]: And I'm starting to say no, and it is total shift. 38:08.084 --> 38:10.287 [SPEAKER_01]: I've said yes to everything for 15 years. 38:10.988 --> 38:19.339 [SPEAKER_01]: And I'm starting to be really picky about what I choose, but it's taking me years to even be able to say no, or figure out how to say no, or... 38:20.260 --> 38:21.741 [SPEAKER_01]: It's a whole mindset. 38:22.062 --> 38:23.003 [SPEAKER_03]: It really is. 38:23.323 --> 38:25.605 [SPEAKER_03]: It's like a spiritual journey in yourself. 38:26.285 --> 38:28.728 [SPEAKER_03]: And also then it creates space for something else. 38:28.828 --> 38:30.129 [SPEAKER_03]: That's the way I framed it. 38:30.149 --> 38:39.977 [SPEAKER_03]: It was like, okay, well, if I'm having a little doubt here, and I have the guilt, and I have that all you should do this, like this conditioning of like, well, if you want it, you go get it. 38:40.258 --> 38:46.903 [SPEAKER_03]: And I actually at Christmas, I spoke to like a big manager in Ireland because I was gearing up to release wild woman. 38:48.304 --> 38:59.570 [SPEAKER_03]: You know, his outlook on it is very much that, you know, well, if you really want it, you're going to be making a TikTok a day and you're going to be doing this, you're going to be doing that and I'm like, I don't think you can question if I want it. 39:00.471 --> 39:12.877 [SPEAKER_03]: I just, I need to question whether or not I want it in this era because it doesn't line up with my life and I, my mental health has taken a battering and I don't want to live like that anymore. 39:13.623 --> 39:14.143 [SPEAKER_01]: I love that. 39:14.323 --> 39:19.805 [SPEAKER_01]: And it's also like, if you want it, you have to do this, you can do a TikTok today and still not get it. 39:19.825 --> 39:20.546 [SPEAKER_01]: I know the thing. 39:20.566 --> 39:23.147 [SPEAKER_01]: So it's like, it's like, I have no problem working hard. 39:23.607 --> 39:28.329 [SPEAKER_01]: And that's why maybe I love being on the road so much and maybe why I have so much identity crisis when I'm not. 39:28.689 --> 39:32.110 [SPEAKER_01]: Because I know that I drive, I play the show, I meet the fans. 39:32.791 --> 39:35.732 [SPEAKER_01]: I talk, I connect with the people and then I get paid and I leave. 39:36.052 --> 39:38.313 [SPEAKER_01]: That feels very tangible. 39:39.013 --> 39:47.838 [SPEAKER_01]: So when they're like, yeah, so now when it's like, oh, now the business is all these things that are intangible, I don't know how to navigate that. 39:47.858 --> 39:53.962 [SPEAKER_01]: And you know, we talked about like being 40 and it's like, it's like, we're, we grew up literally in a different time. 39:54.642 --> 39:57.764 [SPEAKER_01]: And I don't, what if I don't want to do it to talk, I don't know. 39:58.184 --> 40:03.688 [SPEAKER_03]: Also, like, I look over with in our childhood teenage years, we didn't have a phone. 40:04.288 --> 40:04.568 [SPEAKER_01]: I know. 40:04.909 --> 40:09.372 [SPEAKER_03]: Like, I, because we're so available now, I, and it's just like, oh, I don't know. 40:09.732 --> 40:12.874 [SPEAKER_03]: I just, I'm really getting into a point where I'm just like, not like it. 40:14.195 --> 40:14.535 [SPEAKER_01]: I love it. 40:14.555 --> 40:17.377 [SPEAKER_01]: I think that that comes with age, and I'm getting like that, too. 40:17.397 --> 40:25.463 [SPEAKER_01]: I got, you know, I get pitch songs every day that from people that aren't songwriters, and I just don't respond, and that was never me. 40:25.503 --> 40:28.405 [SPEAKER_01]: I would never not respond, but it's like, I do not have the time where 40:32.448 --> 40:52.677 [SPEAKER_01]: about this or even to devote to it you know we just gotta start to learn to heart protect yourself in the right way you know I'm trying it's hard but I think taking some time off like you said it gives you perspective because it's such a rat race you wake up and it's like coming out you've mulling those I can't imagine also having a festival will end up with that but that like for me has been like 40:53.617 --> 41:10.542 [SPEAKER_03]: Like it's been a really nice thing to know that that's like I'm saying no to the things that like the industry stuff that I just don't feel comfortable in or I'm not able to navigate But I do know I'm building something beautiful like so those are like new revenue streams of like it's not quite a revenue stream yet 41:11.482 --> 41:28.197 [SPEAKER_03]: But it's you know, it's something that I'm like, oh well, I'm still building and creating something really beautiful and that like links it because I think your original question was like, hi, did you get to the start in the non-profit it was because I wanted to get back to building something beautiful and real 41:29.097 --> 41:35.361 [SPEAKER_03]: And something that related to why I started playing music in the first place, which was the feeling. 41:36.062 --> 41:45.948 [SPEAKER_03]: Like when I was a kid, I just was very sensitive, very creatively minded, but like, not a very open dialogue about your feelings in Ireland. 41:46.609 --> 41:48.310 [SPEAKER_03]: Like, it's more just like, whatever. 41:48.490 --> 41:49.030 [SPEAKER_03]: You're all right. 41:49.070 --> 41:49.310 [SPEAKER_03]: Come on. 41:49.731 --> 41:50.191 [SPEAKER_03]: Strengthen up. 41:50.231 --> 41:53.033 [SPEAKER_03]: Which I love, and I'm very grateful because it's given me the work ethic. 41:53.713 --> 41:58.454 [SPEAKER_03]: but I didn't know where to put all the big feelings that I've always felt since I was a kid, so I turned to music. 41:59.375 --> 42:00.515 [SPEAKER_03]: And that's why I got into it. 42:00.855 --> 42:09.078 [SPEAKER_03]: I think, like, and then you get the, it's, I suppose it is conditioning in some way, but the little dream gets born and you're like, I'm gonna be a superstar. 42:09.538 --> 42:11.378 [SPEAKER_03]: Oh, I can do this and I love to perform. 42:11.458 --> 42:19.801 [SPEAKER_03]: So it's like, it all made sense, but when you drive it so hard, you lose touch with the little bit of the magic. 42:20.601 --> 42:27.627 [SPEAKER_03]: of the what the little kid thought and that's why I got into the non-profit because I was like I need to get the magic back. 42:28.207 --> 42:37.755 [SPEAKER_03]: I need to go back to that place where you see it work and that's when I'm working with those little kids and you see it actually like why we do it you're like 42:39.256 --> 42:46.622 [SPEAKER_01]: that it's insane, I have almost cried through times, but that is so beautiful and who can blame you for that? 42:46.642 --> 42:53.968 [SPEAKER_01]: That's part of the thing too is, you know, I had a manager that was just, he just didn't get it, you know, and it's so hard, but it was like, I 42:54.468 --> 42:56.510 [SPEAKER_01]: If I told him that, he would be like, no. 42:56.730 --> 42:58.131 [SPEAKER_01]: Leave them, sometimes they just don't. 42:58.372 --> 42:59.372 [SPEAKER_01]: It doesn't compute with them. 42:59.833 --> 43:03.676 [SPEAKER_01]: And that's kind of why I started this podcast, also because Kyle made me. 43:03.736 --> 43:10.421 [SPEAKER_01]: But it because you're not crazy for film the way that you feel other people feel, you feel this way. 43:10.541 --> 43:21.050 [SPEAKER_01]: I feel this way when you talk, it makes you want to cry, because I feel more seen and understood in this 30-minute conversation, then I do try to figure out the next step of my career with other people. 43:22.472 --> 43:25.318 [SPEAKER_01]: That is so beautiful and I think your art 43:26.643 --> 43:30.604 [SPEAKER_01]: you're different too because your art speaks so much for itself. 43:30.784 --> 43:33.724 [SPEAKER_01]: It's like your life show is one of the best I've ever seen. 43:34.425 --> 43:40.786 [SPEAKER_01]: And I was just like looking at Paul, I guess Paul had seen you before, but I hadn't, but I was looking at him like, are you kidding me? 43:41.146 --> 43:51.088 [SPEAKER_01]: Like, it's just so unbelievable that it doesn't have nothing has to be superficial or forced upon people because if you see your show, it just speaks for itself. 43:51.148 --> 43:51.368 [SPEAKER_01]: So, 43:51.868 --> 44:06.977 [SPEAKER_03]: that's also it's in packets tonight tell of what about pack yes so we're it's Thursday so we'll be at the Saxon at six o'clock and pack is a just a project that was born out of I think we all were needing each other and we didn't even know it. 44:07.417 --> 44:13.040 [SPEAKER_03]: I certainly was like I miss my sisters I've come from like a big female family and I 44:13.760 --> 44:27.226 [SPEAKER_03]: When you're over here you have to build your own we network and I think I was getting to a point where I'm like Gosh, I'm so far away from my sisterhood and like my real sisters and I was given the Monday night It's it started. 44:27.266 --> 44:34.170 [SPEAKER_03]: See boys given that Monday night and it was myself and Ruby dice Because I love her. 44:34.290 --> 44:40.212 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, it was I we were at dog walking one day and I was like, what if we did like this girl jump thing and we started it off and then 44:41.453 --> 44:46.680 [SPEAKER_03]: the like first group that we set up was the group that is NIPAC. 44:47.320 --> 44:48.502 [SPEAKER_03]: And it was like a no-brainer. 44:48.562 --> 44:56.011 [SPEAKER_03]: I was just like, ah, this dynamic is insane because it was Carrey Hudson, Kelly Green, Paige Dichasey. 44:56.051 --> 44:57.713 [SPEAKER_03]: And then it was Ruby Dyson at the time. 44:57.733 --> 44:58.394 [SPEAKER_03]: And then, 44:59.996 --> 45:02.178 [SPEAKER_03]: things, you know, evolved. 45:02.959 --> 45:20.037 [SPEAKER_03]: I think it was after Pandemic, I'm terrible with details, but we got offered this slot at the Saxon at a six o'clock, because it very quickly grew, because it was just honest, like we would meet up and see an amount of cheese and drink so much wine until we fell off our chairs. 45:20.838 --> 45:31.248 [SPEAKER_03]: meant to be rehearsing songs with like, yeah, yeah, we'll get all good and we'll, we'll go in and we'll be like, fill all harmonies and then we just feel like, oh, we're really drunk and we'll just, we'll just get on stage and whatever happens on Thursday. 45:31.308 --> 45:31.568 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah. 45:31.588 --> 45:31.768 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah. 45:31.889 --> 45:32.829 [SPEAKER_03]: And that's the charm of it. 45:32.950 --> 45:38.455 [SPEAKER_03]: It just, and it is good, you know, it's it's really high quality, but it comes from love. 45:39.083 --> 45:49.311 [SPEAKER_03]: You know, and yeah, it changed because Ruby Dice wanted to kind of go our own direction and then we brought in violet from Madame Riedar and that just like locked it all in. 45:49.471 --> 45:54.355 [SPEAKER_03]: And now I wear at the Saxon every Thursday at 6 o'clock and it is absolutely packed. 45:54.435 --> 45:55.436 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh my gosh! 45:55.856 --> 46:00.200 [SPEAKER_01]: Um, that's, we, do you change the songs or is it, you have a song? 46:00.220 --> 46:04.283 [SPEAKER_03]: No, we've been, we've been doing it for like six years so we all know each other songs inside out. 46:04.303 --> 46:06.765 [SPEAKER_03]: So we have got to that harmonies and things like that. 46:07.385 --> 46:10.348 [SPEAKER_03]: And I love bringing my new songs there. 46:10.428 --> 46:13.730 [SPEAKER_03]: Like, that's my favorite first spot to pop them in. 46:15.391 --> 46:17.273 [SPEAKER_03]: And yeah, like, we've got our sets now. 46:17.313 --> 46:22.597 [SPEAKER_03]: We actually just recorded an album at the Saxon and it came out so beautifully. 46:22.637 --> 46:24.778 [SPEAKER_03]: We're gonna try and get it out by she rises. 46:25.499 --> 46:25.799 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah. 46:25.859 --> 46:29.522 [SPEAKER_03]: And it's so honest and real, because we keep the stories in. 46:29.562 --> 46:31.043 [SPEAKER_03]: We're all laughin' with each other. 46:31.063 --> 46:32.965 [SPEAKER_03]: Like, Violet's BS had a problem. 46:32.985 --> 46:35.607 [SPEAKER_03]: Like, it's such a real experience, live album. 46:36.147 --> 46:38.108 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, that's that's back in a nutshell. 46:38.228 --> 46:39.049 [SPEAKER_03]: And that is so great. 46:39.069 --> 46:40.410 [SPEAKER_01]: And we love Saxon Pub, man. 46:40.430 --> 46:43.612 [SPEAKER_01]: They were one of the first people to ever even give me a chance. 46:43.692 --> 46:44.893 [SPEAKER_01]: And I'm so glad that they're. 46:44.913 --> 46:46.654 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, we're just a family. 46:46.894 --> 46:47.875 [SPEAKER_01]: Great family. 46:48.115 --> 46:48.735 [SPEAKER_01]: I love them. 46:49.035 --> 46:52.878 [SPEAKER_01]: I, and I really got to go to one of those shows sometimes. 46:52.898 --> 46:55.199 [SPEAKER_01]: See, and when are you coming to end with us? 46:56.080 --> 46:57.541 [SPEAKER_01]: It's so much fun. 46:57.561 --> 46:59.262 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm just going to cry the whole time in the morning. 46:59.282 --> 47:00.323 [SPEAKER_01]: No, we cry. 47:00.383 --> 47:03.205 [SPEAKER_03]: No, no, we, we cry on stage the entire time. 47:03.245 --> 47:05.186 [SPEAKER_03]: Like last week, I think three of us were crying at once. 47:05.526 --> 47:13.975 [SPEAKER_03]: great and then we were crying laughing at the same time because what somebody said something ridiculous like it's like it is you have to come out of this experience. 47:14.295 --> 47:15.756 [SPEAKER_01]: Well I love Carrie Hudson too. 47:15.836 --> 47:16.177 [SPEAKER_01]: It's fair. 47:16.217 --> 47:19.880 [SPEAKER_01]: I met her and then you know, Hunter that was running sound. 47:19.920 --> 47:21.022 [SPEAKER_01]: It was his wife. 47:21.042 --> 47:23.124 [SPEAKER_01]: And then I was like I'm sorry that voice. 47:23.464 --> 47:23.724 [SPEAKER_01]: Hmm. 47:23.904 --> 47:24.525 [SPEAKER_01]: Hello. 47:24.885 --> 47:25.186 [SPEAKER_01]: What? 47:25.226 --> 47:26.427 [SPEAKER_01]: She's incredible. 47:26.507 --> 47:27.728 [SPEAKER_01]: And so this year I'm so excited. 47:27.908 --> 47:28.489 [SPEAKER_01]: She's going on the 47:29.650 --> 47:30.951 [SPEAKER_01]: Well, she's actually rises too. 47:31.011 --> 47:32.551 [SPEAKER_01]: She's in a full band that she rises. 47:33.732 --> 47:35.152 [SPEAKER_01]: I just could not love her more. 47:35.192 --> 47:36.493 [SPEAKER_01]: She's so funny too. 47:36.773 --> 47:37.613 [SPEAKER_01]: And so talented. 47:37.693 --> 47:39.934 [SPEAKER_01]: And Kelly Green, of course, she's been on this podcast. 47:40.834 --> 47:42.015 [SPEAKER_01]: I just love it. 47:42.135 --> 47:43.375 [SPEAKER_01]: And I'm so excited. 47:43.395 --> 47:44.115 [SPEAKER_01]: What do we miss? 47:44.155 --> 47:46.316 [SPEAKER_01]: Because I feel like we feel like we got most of it. 47:46.356 --> 47:46.676 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah. 47:46.876 --> 47:47.817 [SPEAKER_03]: No, I think that's everything. 47:47.897 --> 47:48.217 [SPEAKER_01]: I just... 47:48.997 --> 47:58.347 [SPEAKER_01]: Really wish we lived geographically closer Because as soon as I met you, I was like, and I was like, but you're crazy busy. 47:58.387 --> 47:59.268 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm crazy busy. 47:59.508 --> 48:00.910 [SPEAKER_03]: I'm trying to slow it down though. 48:00.950 --> 48:07.497 [SPEAKER_03]: I've I'm definitely opening a new realm in my life where I want to like read books and sit on my porch 48:08.608 --> 48:08.949 [SPEAKER_01]: I know. 48:09.409 --> 48:13.214 [SPEAKER_01]: We haven't even built our book shelves yet and our books are all in that shed out there. 48:14.015 --> 48:18.340 [SPEAKER_01]: And so when I get the urge to read sometimes I'm gonna get on my phone and I'm like, no, this is not. 48:18.360 --> 48:19.081 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. 48:19.101 --> 48:27.371 [SPEAKER_01]: I want a book about some tea and less alcohol and I thought I'd never thought I'd say those words. 48:28.692 --> 48:30.413 [SPEAKER_03]: It just comes when it's meant to come, right? 48:30.433 --> 48:38.295 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I got, I'm still scared from my hangover from my birthday, so like it's like the hangover start to teach you way more. 48:38.915 --> 48:41.315 [SPEAKER_03]: They're like, no, this is not how we do it. 48:41.335 --> 48:42.316 [SPEAKER_03]: We're not a teenager. 48:42.336 --> 48:42.976 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, right. 48:43.316 --> 48:45.196 [SPEAKER_03]: Even though in the moment you drank like you were. 48:45.776 --> 48:46.056 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah. 48:46.537 --> 48:47.857 [SPEAKER_01]: The next week is gonna be hell. 48:48.177 --> 49:03.907 [SPEAKER_01]: I know it takes me a few days to that's so funny and I was joking with you, obviously, but she had poor Andrea had a food poisoning event and I thought if you were had an actual stomach bug, I tried to get you to come give it to me so I could lose 10 minutes. 49:03.967 --> 49:09.911 [SPEAKER_03]: I loved I was about that high sickle, that's because I was like, I know I funded this isn't this is me, I would say that but I was like, oh 49:10.892 --> 49:12.534 [SPEAKER_03]: Can I get up to get my phone? 49:12.974 --> 49:16.118 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, well we are so glad I came with you came here on a show day too. 49:16.198 --> 49:17.620 [SPEAKER_01]: That's so nice of you. 49:17.640 --> 49:18.681 [SPEAKER_01]: I love it. 49:18.781 --> 49:21.645 [SPEAKER_01]: And please go follow everything that you do. 49:22.005 --> 49:22.506 [SPEAKER_01]: Everything. 49:22.986 --> 49:23.847 [SPEAKER_01]: Andrew McGee. 49:24.048 --> 49:24.849 [SPEAKER_01]: M-A-G-E-E. 49:25.349 --> 49:25.529 [SPEAKER_01]: Yes. 49:25.550 --> 49:25.910 [SPEAKER_01]: That's right. 49:27.031 --> 49:40.616 [SPEAKER_01]: And just please get to a live show, get to the festival, the drum alone, but then your voice and your songwriting is I'm this last record while woman, you should just be so proud. 49:40.636 --> 49:41.956 [SPEAKER_01]: I could go short on it for days. 49:42.016 --> 49:42.677 [SPEAKER_01]: It was so good. 49:42.757 --> 49:44.617 [SPEAKER_01]: It belongs and it belongs in film. 49:44.737 --> 49:45.738 [SPEAKER_01]: It belongs in movies. 49:45.758 --> 49:47.118 [SPEAKER_03]: It's got a cinematic feel. 49:47.138 --> 49:48.819 [SPEAKER_03]: My band, just cinematic. 49:48.879 --> 49:51.700 [SPEAKER_03]: Like they are all, they just have those layers. 49:51.740 --> 49:52.440 [SPEAKER_03]: That's what they do. 49:53.000 --> 49:54.521 [SPEAKER_03]: And I just get to float on top of them. 49:55.153 --> 49:56.174 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, that is so nice. 49:56.214 --> 49:57.055 [SPEAKER_01]: Wait, where'd you record it? 49:57.095 --> 50:00.978 [SPEAKER_01]: Just I recorded it at wire recording with Stuart Sullivan. 50:01.198 --> 50:02.339 [SPEAKER_03]: I've done a lot of my albums. 50:02.359 --> 50:04.641 [SPEAKER_03]: We did a beat route to beat read albums with him. 50:05.141 --> 50:05.562 [SPEAKER_03]: I love him. 50:05.822 --> 50:07.783 [SPEAKER_03]: He is an Arthur Angel Stuart Sullivan. 50:08.084 --> 50:09.905 [SPEAKER_03]: He did all the like sublime records. 50:10.005 --> 50:12.527 [SPEAKER_03]: And he's just the most incredible human. 50:12.667 --> 50:13.468 [SPEAKER_01]: I've never worked with him. 50:13.488 --> 50:15.870 [SPEAKER_01]: We love to give producers and studios shout out. 50:15.910 --> 50:16.630 [SPEAKER_01]: Really deserve. 50:17.171 --> 50:20.093 [SPEAKER_01]: Okay, well, I just, I love you so much. 50:20.414 --> 50:21.575 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm very proud of you. 50:22.695 --> 50:35.038 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm just so excited that you're going to be we're going to be in Tauce July in my home 16 to get to yes, so where is home for you last cruisers like ways out four hours four hours from Tauce Yeah, but a beautiful part of the world. 50:35.138 --> 50:36.239 [SPEAKER_01]: It's New Mexico. 50:36.279 --> 50:48.502 [SPEAKER_01]: We kind of all want but until one It's so spiritual there and and just the history of New Mexico is so fascinating and and I just got back from Santa Fe So I Thanks for the amazing 50:49.862 --> 50:51.584 [SPEAKER_03]: these are actually kind of scots. 50:51.844 --> 50:52.544 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, they're beautiful. 50:52.584 --> 50:52.845 [SPEAKER_01]: I know. 50:52.905 --> 50:55.427 [SPEAKER_02]: I bet they're very like, they're very, they're very intense. 50:55.447 --> 50:56.988 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. 50:57.229 --> 50:57.609 [SPEAKER_01]: Thank you. 50:57.689 --> 51:03.194 [SPEAKER_01]: I was channeling my, my, that's my, you, my you, my you energy because you always look so good. 51:03.234 --> 51:04.275 [SPEAKER_03]: And I love that. 51:04.315 --> 51:05.556 [SPEAKER_03]: I know I've been watching them. 51:05.596 --> 51:06.957 [SPEAKER_03]: I'm like they are strong. 51:07.257 --> 51:07.478 [SPEAKER_03]: Thank you. 51:07.558 --> 51:08.298 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, thank you. 51:08.418 --> 51:13.403 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, we're going into the weekend strong because I'm not drinking for the next three days. 51:13.443 --> 51:14.284 [SPEAKER_01]: So I need some strength. 51:14.324 --> 51:15.845 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm on a month, five. 51:16.185 --> 51:18.826 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh my god, I felt like I felt that day. 51:19.346 --> 51:20.226 [SPEAKER_03]: What do you see at the time? 51:20.286 --> 51:23.348 [SPEAKER_03]: So I held order in Marguerita, and I was like, oh well, well, Kelly. 51:23.368 --> 51:27.269 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, I got to order in Marguerita. 51:27.349 --> 51:28.849 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh thank you so much. 51:28.929 --> 51:30.590 [SPEAKER_01]: I thank you for the interview. 51:30.910 --> 51:31.930 [SPEAKER_01]: You're an amazing human. 51:32.190 --> 51:33.251 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, appreciate it. 51:33.431 --> 51:34.691 [SPEAKER_01]: It's right back at you now. 51:46.984 --> 52:09.635 [SPEAKER_00]: It's hard that I own it some time, sleep The youngest of three I felt abandoned on the ship Never alone when I'm with you And I nurse this broken heart Colored side me shifting in the light Sometimes gets dark 52:13.452 --> 52:29.808 [SPEAKER_00]: Don't let it find you, don't let it find you, don't let it find you, don't let it find you, don't let it find you, don't let it find you, don't let it find you,